October 1, 2025 • 47 mins
Could these next two games on the schedule be the turning point of the season? Does that bring any added pressure? Plus, is Jake Ferguson essentially part of the run game now? Is that bad? On the other side of the ball, last year the Dallas defense was one of the worst at stopping the run. Now they’re one of the worst at stopping the pass. Which is better? And is help really on the way?
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Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross.
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He is Nate, he is Shinnon. Chris is in the
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I am Kurt.
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Speaker 2 (01:26):
Wow, Yeah, how.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Y'all doing today? And dentals were good?
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Were good?
Speaker 7 (01:31):
Hurt, You're good?
Speaker 8 (01:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, I'm great man, and Jesse is Okay, we'll explain
tomorrow a little bit more man about this cat. Yes,
you know. Have we talked a lot of that yesterday
about thickness and Trayler can Trayler parks and all of
a sudden he disappears.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
We didn't hurt his feelings. Find out when he comes back.
We'll do a song for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, bringing back the show tomorrow with the song we
have a little ditty.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Have we told the people that we have an artist.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Wrote a song about want to hear here you go?
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, Chris Beam is an artist and he has several
songs that he's put I think he's gonna put together album.
He'll soon. When is he gonna When is it gonna break?
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Man?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
When you app'm gonna break.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
We just break it on the show, Break on the show.
One single at a time. Yeah, yeah, one single at
a time.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
We're gonna do something different today. Okay, yess he's not here.
We're gonna save all the the uh, the offense defense
stuff for tomorrow. And we have never I don't think
one show in the history of this show, Yes, sir,
have ever given Kurt his due.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
May mean that's a good thing, and followed.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
His talking points line from the Yes Nat say, we're
gonna ask him about all fourteen of his kids.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
No, Nate came in. He was like, let's do this.
Let's do something different, Like, okay, Wen.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
There's a reason you know, you're the police, you're the
gatekeeper on this.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Just go down's just.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Go down the line. No, it always it all sounds good.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's just it's a Kurt possible ideas. Welcome any ideas.
And then he give us ten to what one to
how many?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Usually between eight and twelve fifteen sometimes, and we we
what makes our show different is we don't have a
run a show. Kurt gives us ideas and then we
just go all over the place. Sometimes we don't hit
one item. Sometimes we get to most of them. But
I don't think we've ever gone to where we're like, okay,
item number one, two, three, I.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Want to do that. What tippens before five of them?
I want to use up to you both.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
You know what, Kurt, do you have the you have
your list? Why don't you run the show today? You host?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Start? Let's do that. Just start number one, start.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
With number one.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I'll bring us in and out of breaks and
do all that. But you fring up the points and
I'll be Jesse Vanilla.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Jize double meaning.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
All right, we'll try this.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Okay, okay, So four games in month of September, we're
a quarter the way through. Cowboys offenses first in yards
one six hundred and seventeen. They are dead last in
defensive yards allowed. Now they've had two overtime games and
played a little extra and everybody else. But is there
any way they can make this successful with those kinds
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of rankings and numbers?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, Kurt, I'm glad you asked, because that's been on
my mind all week since the day.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Look, here's what I think.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think the way Dak's playing playing out of his mind.
He's playing like a top three quarterback. Maybe, hell, he
may be the best one in the league right now,
the way he played that game and the decisions he's
been making. But that's not it's sustainable over a season.
But when he can't do it every single game, So
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the games that he slips up, that's where you're gonna
have the problem. Like, you can't it's not possible to
be perfect. Eighteen weeks of football. He's gonna slip up
and you're gonna have to score thirty thirty five forty
points every week. The way this defense, I don't think
you're fixing the defense. I don't care what you do,
so I don't think you can bring people in. I
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just I think maybe they'll get better and they'll grow
a little bit and they'll hold people to twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
But I don't see them becoming a good defense.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I see them staying in the bottom quarter of the league.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Instead of being thirty second. Even if they were like twentieth.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it would help, Oh yeah, oh yes, sir. Well,
because when you're giving up almost sixty yards more as
a defense than your offense that is ranked in the
top ten and almost at every category, that does not
say a lot. And I'm agreeing with you, Vanilla Jesse.
This thing is not go change VJJ, but I mean it.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I after after the Bears game, I didn't think this
was gonna be a competitive team. I think they're gonna
be in every game, but I think every game is
gonna be competitive, good and bad.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
This week, I think it's gonna.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Be competitive because they're not gonna I think the next
week against Carolina. But you're gonna have a couple of
games that you're gonna get blown out because when Dak
has an off game, your defense is still gonna let
the other team score. So I think you're gonna be
in it until right up towards the end. It's gonna
be a fun season if you like offense. But if
you if you like good defense, you're gonna be mad
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by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You're gonna be insane, you know. I listened to Braddis
on the show a couple of shows before us, and
they asked about draft picks and this year here, no,
just let it ride this season. If we can't find
somebody sitting home or some I didn't want to just
get rid of a player for basically nothing. Just let
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this season ride.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Hold on to your draft and just go, yes, enjoy
the season.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Number two, brother, Kurt, let me pull them back up here.
Keep it up, keep it up.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
You ain't got no problem.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Well, you just mentioned that they could be in it
even against the Jets in the Carolina if there's this
coming week, So is this okay? The next two games?
Is this the turning point of the season. If you
lose these two, even if you maybe lose one, Are
they cooked? Are they done? Or any chances of having
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a successful season done? So these and does that add
additional pressure because so much could be riding on these
which we thought were too meaningless.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Wins, throwaway wins.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, but now this could be it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So you, Jesse, I'll follow up. I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
If you don't win these two games, I still think
they're gonna be competitive. I think it's they're gonna be
one score games, either seven points or less, because I
don't think you have I don't think you can stop anybody.
It's going to be you know, now, can the Jets
score with Justin fields? The problem is his strongest attribute
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is what's eating you alive?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
In two games?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
A mobile quarterback and your linebackers can't they running quick?
Saying when they run up against a fast guy. So
I think these are Look, you could you could lose
them and turn something around. But I think this early
in the season, these are must win games because let's
go look at remember when we went through the schedule.
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You know what's coming after this, the meat grinder. So
I think you gotta win these two.
Speaker 9 (08:51):
The thing.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like when Jesse and a couple other guys say I'd
have went for it. I'd have went for it, And
I tried to comeback that my thing is this here,
you're trying to change the culture. And so like I
didn't understand why he took dak out two games ago,
and it was explained to me. And I go back
to when Jimmy, when he first got it, he was
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careful about how he did things, you know, but once
we two years in, he would have went for that
because he would have had better players, a better situation,
and the confidence would have been high. And so when
I look at this right here, if let's say they
would have went for that and lost the game, what
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we would have been taking into the Jets right now?
And I'm not I don't Gopher ties either win or lose.
But over there, what are they thinking?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So I would think Schottenheimer he wants any grasp of positivity.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Yes, sir, So tie for him is better than the loss.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yes, So these next two games, they are winnable if
we can just get two stops in the second half.
That's serious. That sounds so pathetic. No, no, no, listen, stops.
Let me tell you why. Because when they wasn't in
the lead. It was about four. When we were in
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the lead, it was about three. So there was always
a field goal away. But if we could have got
a stop in the second half. They never really stopped
us either. So now we go up. So we either
up about four or five. Now they got to score
a touchdown that may give our defense, you know what,
what it needs. So we're gonna need if we going
back and forth, like you said, we need to get
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too steals in the second half.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Of course, we haven't scored in the second half on
the road yet this year.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
So changed that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Break, that break that just when we thought we had
something positive.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Trying to talk us out of it. The voice that's
that chair, that's the chair.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah wow, okay, number three. So we're looking at this
zero to four Jets team. Three of those losses have
been to teams that are currently leading their division. Pittsburgh's
three and one ahead of the AFC Central. They got
beat by Buffalo. They're four and oh head of the
FC West, and then Tampa Bay's three and one they're
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ahead of the NFC South. So they faced some pretty
good teams so far as this should we not be
overlooking the Jets here because they could be a little tougher.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, the film that I've seen offense defensive I've seen
two games. Offense. I've seen the half game Miami was
the half game in Miami and Tampa is the two
games I've seen. Defensively, they have players, they're trying to
run a new system up on a new coach. On defense,
they got number ninety five tackle defensive three technique over
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the guard. Quinn Williams. Is he nice? You're gonna have
the double team. I mean, you can't go solo sometime,
but the majority ting you got have the double team. Offensively,
they have a good running back, They have a nice
wide receiver. The quarterback is the issue here. Do not
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take this man likely. They gonna yeah, they're gonna throw
five yard, ten yard. They press him when they throw
fifteen yards. But if you get out of your rush lane,
he gonna light your new fire.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
He's fast.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, he gonna light your new fire. And we can
say he can't throw, but once he gets you where
he needs you to be and he has no pressure,
That's what we're trying to get With all these new
dual threat quarterbacks. Coaches are trying to take like the
Ben Johnson's of the world. They trying to take away
your thinking, bru. This is the one or two options
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you got and if those one or two options are
not there, just take off a run. And so this
kid couple with him being with Pittsburgh last year when
they was doing that early in the year for him.
Now the Jets are doing that for him. So if
he can, if it's one or two reasons not that
he take off, we're going to be in our lanes.
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And the positive thing about lanes, if you stay in them,
you make the quarterback have to throw the ball. But
if you get out of them, the quarterback gonna punish you.
So now we don't have a consistent pass rush, y'all.
So this thing is gonna be what and what you
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know we don't have if we had a consistent pass
rush to put pressure on his kid to knock him
off his spot, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Not a consistent pass rushing backers are struggling. Yes, it
sounds like it's gonna make a tough afternoon for corralling
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes, wow, wanted to.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Get another one in there for the break.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Or last Wait, tell me what I heard about this,
but I haven't seen it happened coach Salid got into
it was one of the one of the Jaguars players.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
No, the other coach okay.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And something about they had He had sort of a
if I'm not one percent sure, so forget. He had
kind of accused the Jacksonville coach of legally stealing signs.
I'm not sure what that means. So after the game,
the Jacksonville coaches when they went to the handshake, he
was like, no, no, he walked past him, and then
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I guess at that point words are said and they
got the barking at each other.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
A few coaches in the league I would not want
to pick a fight with.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
He would be a Dan Cama Beasy with his voice
of the Cape.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
All right, Kurt, go ahead, give us one more number four.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Last year, the Dallas defense is one of the worst
versus the run. This year they are the absolute worst
versus the pass. Seems like a bad trade off at
this point, would you rather be worse against the run?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Would you rather? Yeah, that's that's what I like about.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I always build from the middle, Always build from the middle. Uh.
But the one like when we when we let number
one left here, I always said, I said mister Jones
had one or two choices. Pay this man and go
out and get you a uh a B plus nose
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tackle or let the man go. So they let the
man go and they got a B plus nose tackle.
Now uh now, now you're you know you're in a buying,
You're in a buying. But one thing, I don't think
that mister Jones, any of these coaches thought defensively that
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our secondary would not be able to adjust. That is
the crusher that nobody saw coming when this happened. We
knew we want to have the sack pressure. We knew
we're gonna have sacks, but maybe a little bit of pressure.
And did you think that our secondary would be in shambles? No,
even with the injuries, we didn't think I secondary would
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be in shambles.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
It just seems like now last year they were giving
up fifteen twenty yard runs, now they're giving up forty
yard touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Would you I would?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think I would rather have a although it's not
as it's hard to watch when you have a terrible
pass defense, I personally would rather have a bad pass
defense than a bad run defense. And maybe it's just
because I have a little PTSD of watching this team
the last twelve year.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, how last twenty years? But the thing is
now you're talking about Friday the thirteenth, that's what passed.
Does you just everywhere you go Jason coming after Yeah,
you know, and it can happen so quick.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yes, with the run game, it's a slow slow this.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, we cut a couple of time, but bro this
what we have done here has not been as not
being right. Uh wow, even to the point where you
you pay a guy in two years later. You take
away snaps. You know, in digs you're taking away snaps. Uh.
So it's it's it's a killer. I'd rather have the
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poor run defense because it's a slow down.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, I guess it's to me because it's football, and
when you have a bad run.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Defense, it's about being physical.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, I'd rather have beating you up right.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'd rather have a physical team can't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Cover the non physical teams that cover, right, because it
seems like in the playoffs, the formula every year in
December is.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Wear them out in third quarter, just run, run, run,
and you can't.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And it's it's just like watching this past defense is tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I don't know of course, this is such a pass
happy league. It's you know, seventy percent of the players
are passed. I mean, it's just it's boom, I'll chunk
your downfield.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take our first break. Good,
good job, Kurt. I like that, right, it's a good idea, Hey, light,
take our first break when we come back.
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Kurt is hosting today with Jesse's absence, and we are
going exactly down his rundown sheet. I am Vanilla Jesse
otherwise known as VJ today next to uh Big New
What you.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Got for is Kurt? What's number five?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Number five on the list? And I'm interested in all
this because we have our resident expert here on staff.
But UH, Pro Football Focus, you guys know, I visit
all the time. They have Dallas ranked third and run
blocking in the league but last in pass blocking. A Nate,
I just wonder like one, you kind of agree with that?
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And then two, this is probably a dumb question, but
are there ways to use the what they do well
in run blocking in the passing game?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That is the new NFL make everything look the same? Uh?
That's the you know, pay action pass. That word has
been around a long time. Play action pass is run
fake like you run in the ball, you know, and
that makes guys come up, linebackers come up, maybe a
deep deep safety take a step up and not a
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step back and that minute hesitation. Then you got a
chance for receivers to get into open lanes, break free
off of one on one and stuff like that. That's
what the play action passes. And then your waggles where
your quarterback or fake fake to run and waggle around
or roll out stuff like that. So, uh, it's ways
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of doing it, but you have to your run has
to stay effective because one or two times when you
do that, the linebackers will stop looking at the running
backs and they gonna start, you know, going to dropping
to the areas right away, or a defensive lineman gonna
not pay attention to the run and just gonna come off.
So you're gonna have to be pretty consistent with that.
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Play action pass are making a lot of your uh
you know, like the Jets, they open up I think
one of their games where they had twelve personnel and
they ran that a lot, you know, and then all
of a sudden helped them a little bit later on
in the game, and Miami did the same thing. So well, no,
Miami didn't they stay spread out?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
What makes you a good How can somebody be really
good run blocking but really bad, isn't the technique?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
One of them is a physical movement. One of them
is a physical leverage. We call run blocking a physical
leverage where you try to get up under a guy,
get his paths, or you just try to maul a guy,
you know, if he's good enough to get into you first.
You just try to mall a guy, you know, and
just move him. You know, I can get up on
you and feel you, whereas in past I'm dropping back
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in some more positional leverage. Are you trying to stay
between your quarterback more athletic a guy that is more athletic. Movie,
you gotta kind of wait on a guy to see
where he going, Whereas it's run blocking a lot of times,
unless they slanting certain ways, you can dictate what happens
to him. He's reading you, whereas with the past, I'm
reading you. Now you coming off the end, I'm reading you.
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Especially if I jump way out, I'm giving you two
ways to go, you know, That's why I love the
concluon effect up there with the guards, the centers. He
ain't got much room to jump around up and now
so but on them tackles.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, And I would think most linemen would prefer run blocking.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yes, yes, because if I can lay my hands on
you and you and uh, you can be physical and
past blocking too, But in run blocking, uh, you get
a chance to just let him feel your strength and
your power over and over a game. Like they wore
Parsons down by just continuing to hitting him, hitting him,
hitting him at the end of the game, even though
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he got that sack at the end. Uh, that kid
was worn down. I promise he went to sleep that
night back on the plane. He probably ate him some
cottage cheese and went to.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Street well having they got a defense decent run game
going down this year with Williams. I mean, how much
is he helping just that run game with the I've
been impressed with how he seems patient with setting up
blocks and on that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And you know the thing that he he don't run
you over fully. He always half he's half man. He's
he's not taking the pounding people are thinking, you know,
like Earl Campbell, Earl Campb. He used to be all
or nothing with Earl. But this guy, he always sliding
off of you, always spinning off of you. When he's
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when he see he has that advantage, he'll lay that
big oldhead on you. But now he just he understands
his blocking scheme and he's doing a great job. But
like I said, I think he's being under used, and
maybe coach saying, hey, this is a long season. I
gotta protect Dak. So there's maybe some games, but I
don't have to give it to him twenty five, twenty
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six times. Right now you're averaging around by nineteen twenty carries.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
That isn't it crazy?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
How that that was the main focal point of in
training camp, Like we don't have a run game, we
don't have a running back. This is the biggest deal.
That's been the brightest spot on the team. Is like
Dak's playing the running game. And then everything you thought
was good the secondary, Oh, we gonna be dron Bland
his back.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
And Trayvonsy will be bad.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
We're good linebackers, we got Liu foul, we got some newcomers.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
We're gonna be good. And then man, what a difference
four games can make hu.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
That's for sure, all right, Number six. We'll stay with
the offensive line here. So Guiden might not play this weekend.
He's had a concussion late in the gainings in the
protocol that shot numbers said it's possible. Still, he's struggling
this year again. Pro football Vocus has him marked sixty
to seven out of seventy three tackles. So one, what
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did you think of Nate Thomas when he got in there?
And is it time to give him a chance at more?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You have another choice? Guiden has been better? Is he
played up to the level where we think most of
our past first rounders that played, No, he hasn't. But
he's gotten better. He seemed to be a lot more
confident and he's much more physical than he was last year.
(27:07):
He still has a wage to go and I just
hate when he missed games because that's a rep taken
away from him. But Nate Thomas, he played okay last week.
He played left and right tackle. So you imagine if
he can get sixty snaps at one one deal and
they see, okay, is this really a competition? Is can
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we really put a little bit more pressure on our
offensive tackles fellas. I'm gonna say this right here. I
haven't seen guys have snaps taken away from them since Jimmy.
I mean, we saw where Diggs had a few snaps
taken away, and maybe it was playing that way. I
don't know what the trainers or something, but you see
(27:51):
our linebackers, you know we're seeing them. Yeah, Sam Williams
taking right out of the game immediately.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You like that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I like yeah, because it's mister Jones for the first
time in a very long time, and Steven and all
of those guys and will they letting this guy coach.
You know, don't make him a liar. Hey, man, I
got your back, I got you covered. Do what I
asked you to do. You gonna play? Then all of
a sudden, Yeah, I got you back. I got you covered.
(28:20):
But you don't have to do what I say. Yeah,
now you got to do what the coach say. You know,
you got you gotta. I don't care if you're the
best one on one man in the world, and I'm
being honest, if that man, leave you over there by
yourself and tell you by yourself. You got this deep
third by yourself, and you up there pressing and miss
(28:42):
and fall on the ground and we give up a
touchdown when all you had to do was turn and
run and make sure this man catched this ball underneath
you left. We'll at least have a second chance that
Who do you care about?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
You?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
What you want to do, what's best for the team.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I'm surprised that Thomas winning at right tackle, like you
said for Steel, I think I was just kind of
giving Steal a break or something going on.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I don't know. Like I said, that play action pass,
which you've always heard me say, Stell is a play
as I just wish that we had a steady enough
defense that we could run the ball thirty five times.
Just a steady enough defense. Because we could run the
(29:26):
ball thirty five times, that's gonna save Dak and that's
definitely gonna save our tackles. But you have to play
the game. I has played shoot out.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
It's fun. Let's take our last break when we come back.
How many more points you gotta get?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Three more?
Speaker 7 (29:45):
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to get three questions.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
I think we can do it.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Oh, I think I think we pull it off.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Fine, we'll be funn These are all sort of related.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
So actually four questions?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Four.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I'm sorry, it's okay. I forgot about seven over looked, Okay,
number seven. Then I mentioned to see, how do you think?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Jake Ferguson has the most catches by any tight end
in NFL history after four games, crazy thirty four. But
he also has the lowest yards per catch average in
the league among tight ends right now, six point six yards.
Do you like the way they're using him? Is there
a way to maybe get him more yarded? Just all
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these little dump offs.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's part of the run game. He is actively a
part of the run game. You know. Get the ball
out of that hand, try to find some rhythm. Make
these guys rush. It's kind of like they rushing for nothing.
When you get the ball out of your hand that quick.
Devins Lineman hate that they get five steps in all
of a sudden the ball gone. You know what I'm saying.
(33:54):
It's kind of disheartening. Uh So I see what coach's
trying to do. Now I'm thinking that what he's trying
to do. Uh Like I said, you know, he broke
the average and called a ten yard touchdown fast. But
you know, but I think it's part of his run game.
I think it's to him throwing to the backside of
the backfield. I think they's just part of the run game.
(34:14):
And keep it going, keep some type of rhythm going,
eat up some clock.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
You know you guys like that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Me personally, I would like to see eight or nine
yards because that that you know, that that that always
keeps you in manageable down in distance. But sometimes you
catch it two or three yards. That's that's scary because
you know, it puts a lot of pressure on your
quarterback to make a bigger play next time.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Not like you, Kurt, you want to know why tell
us because it's working. Whatever you're doing right now. Don't
change anything on offense. But it's worked even without CD, Like,
you got guys stepping up, you got a run game. Finally, Hey,
guess what they can score in the red zone this year.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
You know how long it's been since we've been able
to score in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Now, if they can just score on the first possession
of the game and get some momentum going, like like,
don't fall behind, and then get it to where you
can use that run game and run down the clock
and wear those guys out that way when Dak really needs.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
To air it out.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
You know, the defense on the other side is exhausted,
like whatever they're doing. Yeah, would it be great if
they stretch the field a little bit with ferguson. But
you got CD, you got pickings, you got turping, you
got those guys that can do that. Keep doing what
you're doing, man, keep this rhythm going. It's fun to watch.
Dak's getting the ball, like you said, getting the ball out.
(35:40):
Keep him healthy. I mean he's an old man now.
You know, he got a family to look after. Now,
he got to make some business decisions, So keep keep
it going.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, Well that's interest. I hadn't thought of it in
that way. It's just part of the run game whatever,
and it's successful. Like you said, cool, all right, number
eight here our owner mister Jones said, uh, I remember
yesterday or to day on.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
What was that like ship Little River Band song hang,
help is own the way?
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Nice? Yeah, he did say that.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
They're asked him about the defense and he kind of said,
helps on the way. But it makes you wonder what
help it is.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I mean, at the end of this year, man, with
the draft, help is on. The free agent money is
larger than it's been in a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And look, let's don't forget this is one of the
best personnel groups that can go find guys that have
been sitting on the couch for six eight months a year.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Remember that one year when George.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Selvy was here and all those guys and they just
around what was it around Christmas time?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
They just went and hey, what you doing? You want
to come play some football?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Like, if they're out there, Will McLay and those guys,
we'll be able to find them.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
So I don't think there's.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Gonna be I hope, I'm like you, I hope they
do what spend this draft capital on something. Do they
find somebody something that's low value, trade a trade a seventh.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Rounder and you're seventh and beyond if we got it
seventh and beyond, or.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
Go find somebody.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Go go call Brady James and say, hey, what you
doing Brady.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Well, I've heard like fans keep asking like, why don't
they sign Stefan Gilmour, Why don't they sign Eric Kendricks
or guys like this, you know, obviously past their prime,
but maybe a little knowledge, And I don't know, it's
something like that interest you at all?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Me, fellas, I'm sticking to my guns. This is gonna
this season's gonna be what it's gonna be. I'm enjoying it. Uh,
not to losing and not even a tie, but just
to see where this team is guided out and the
thing that makes me happy. Like you said, whether we
play the worst team in the league is gonna be
(37:59):
a shoe out. Whether we played the best team in
the league, we got a chance to have a shootout.
So hey, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Like when you I don't know, I used to shoot
pool a lot, because obviously that's been half my life
in a bar. But that's why I failed out of
my first two years of college because I played pool in.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
The student union building. But when you shoot pool, you play.
If somebody's worse.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Than you, you usually play down to their level. When
they're better than you, you raise your game and you're
always pooled you no matter how, unless you just are
a shark, there's always gonna you're gonna be within one
or two balls on the table both ways, right, you
play up and down.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I think that's what this team's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I think when you have equal or greater talent, yes
you're probably gonna lose, but you're gonna be in the game.
When you were playing somebody with equal or lesser talent,
you probably gonna let them play up to your potential.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
So I I just I'm not gonna get upset. I'm
not gonna gripe every week. I'm good like they just
go enjoy the ride, and I hope they hope they
because a little bit. You gotta everybody each.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Week we thought we were winning, how people swayed back
and forth? Now, I mean, uh, we saw what James
Houston did or was it James Houston got? Now it's
all hey, man, bench everybody, I mean not everybody's you know,
he's the next coming, and just thinking over shown this
man hadn't played, but people like cowboys, hope is eternal,
(39:30):
you know, man, We just hold on. We got this
guy here going James. Now we get over shown back,
so we ain't got to do much all We got
to just shove them in the street a litt bit.
They'll running out there and get hit.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Well, I'll jump to number ten, man, because like you said, people.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Keeping to go number nine in order. All right, number nine,
we almost made it the finish line, Curt.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Okay, we're getting there. Okay, So again talking about bringing help,
there's the twenty one day practice. Windows opened up for
some of these guys that have been on some of
the reserve lists. Jonathan Domingo, Shavon Revel, Phil MafA, Canaan Carson.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Is this part of the helpers on.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
The way that joes might be talking about And can
any of them you think really make an impact or
a difference?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah? By seven games from now, I'm gonna always give
these kids and people coming off injury. I'm gonna give
them time when I think it's so irresponsible for me,
a guy that's played sports. I'm not talking about the
typical fan, they pay their money, they should expect the best.
(40:39):
A guy that's been in sports a long time to
look at these guys and know what it takes to
get back and to get going. Some of these guys
are coming off major injuries. Some of these guys have
not played football since last year. So in time, six seven,
eight games give these guys as an actual chance. And
(41:01):
now who's to say they ain't learning a new offense
or a new defense. So yeah, six days, seven weeks,
it's funny, but I'm not gonna tell a fan, hey man, Revel,
get out there, boy. I'm telling you you this dude
that's the cornerback right he coming off major surgery and
then I think they had to do something to his
other knee. So if this kid don't come out the
(41:22):
gate in two or three weeks being what everybody wanting
to be, now, you don't have to backtrack well you
know years coming off say this responsibly before you know.
That's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
I'm hoping that Mingo is in Carson can heal. They've
been around a little bit and so they kind of
know the league.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Mingo ain't got a choice Tobert has made sure that
Floyd nor is made sure that come come half if
you won't. These kids are trying to grow up because
Pickens has made sure that that's called competition. You know
what I'm saying right right?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
The other two though, I mean myfing like you said.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Their rookies, Yes they are, man, I doubt we're gonna
see a whole lot of them.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, okay, well we'll get we'll slip number ten in.
And you brought him up a little bit before Buteop.
People keep talking about over Shawn, even even mister Jones
said it on his radio show that, I mean, he's
an exciting player, but two pretty major knee surgeries in
two years. Why What's because we expect even if he
(42:30):
comes back this year though.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He jumped on't remember he got hurt his rookie year
and this dude they had to literally put a bit
on his dude to hold him back in training camp.
He was trying to run out there in practice because
he never he never had that mindset like like a
lot of guys trying to come back off of injury,
they think about, you know, they breaking down. This kid
(42:52):
didn't think that way. But now you've had a second surgery.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, even maybe worse than.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, worse than now. Even the trainers are saying, Okay,
we know as soon as we turn this guy loose,
he gonna be one hundred miles an hour. But it's
still the game he hasn't played in a long time.
We got to give him a chance, you know, because
remember now, they were trying to corral him to say,
slow down, break down, because he missed a few tackles
(43:18):
each game. Even though he was making a lot of
tackles behind the line in the open field, he was
an ultimate linebacker, he missed one or two because he's
just so gung hold to take your head off. So
now is he gonna be that same guy? And is
he gonna you know.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
It, it seems unfair to him because you're saying, oh,
this guy's gonna were things will be different when he
gets back. It'll be a bigger impact. You're asking him
to hit that hundred of miles he has.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And he may he may be that guy that can
go one hundred miles an hour, but he has. It
is not fair, and that's why that's why you hear
me sometimes just challenge especially I'm talking to Dallas Cowboys
dot com. You guys in the street. I don't care,
you know, but we have a job. You know, we
we can, we are allowed. We're the only NFL team
(44:09):
to basically be able to say what we want about
over there and ownership and coaching and so. But we
still have a responsibility. Don't oversell something, man. Everybody should
have been around here long enough. When I hit people,
you know what was shown? Get back? Wow. And then
when you see him in the hall, you say, hey, bro,
this dude coming off injury.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Well, hold on, bruh, you just told everybody the cavalry
was coming. What if they run over the cavalry? What
if the Indians have boy Arrows didn't have Winchester. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And Kurt you have in your uh in your note there.
And people keep talking about overshown, including Jerry Why what?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
What is? What is? Why is he not supposed to? Bro?
Speaker 5 (44:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
No, no?
Speaker 7 (44:51):
What is mister Jones at his core?
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Yeah, he's a salesman. You think he you think he
doesn't want to fill that statem him up every week?
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Why you think he said help is on the way
because he sees what we see and he knows if
that mindset gets in those fans that, oh lord, this
season is over four games in, people gonna start selling
them tickets. The value is gonna go to that. So
guess what what? What does everybody want? Hope helps on
the way. Guess what Overshown? Remember how good he was?
(45:25):
He's selling it. He's selling it so that that's why
And you know what fair?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Unfair?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
That's the world we live in with this star right,
three hundred and sixty five days a year. It's a
soap opera, right, yes, sir, you got you got to
sell the hope when there's not any hope right now, and.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
It doesn't look like a whole lot of hope.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
See. But the two entities I'm talking about should be
the way they are. Missus Jones should be one hundred
and ten percent in always, the fans should be one
hundred and ten percent in because one is making money
(46:08):
and the other than is spending money. So you need
each other. They need each other, so you have to
keep ciphering that thing from them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And as maddening as it is, yes, it works. And
that's why this building is so nice. Yes, you know
that's why this complex. That's why you can look out
on that field when we open the show and there's
the middle of the day, in the middle of the week,
there's people out there. It's why there's tours non stop
in this building because yes.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I'm gonna get in on that. Just gonna get a
piece of that change, right.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
Yeah, get some guest appearance money the tours.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
But it works, man, and that's why it's the most
obnoxious fan base in the world and the greatest fan
base in the world. Kurt, great job, come back, Jesse, Nate,
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Good stuff for you today, Bro. Good stuff was going.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Down to thank Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Josh s thanks for keeping him company. Jesse, we will
see you tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 7 (47:04):
Get Report and uh yeah, we'll see you then we are.
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Were good?
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Hurt, You're good?
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Speaker 5 (01:32):
I think so.
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Yeah, I'm great man, and Jesse is Okay, we'll explain
tomorrow a little bit more man about this cat. Yes,
you know. Have we talked a lot of that yesterday
about thickness and Trayler can Trayler parks and all of
a sudden he disappears.
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We didn't hurt his feelings. Find out when he comes back.
We'll do a song for Jesse.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Yeah, bringing back the show tomorrow with the song we
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Have we told the people that we have an artist.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Wrote a song about want to hear here you go?
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Yeah, Chris Beam is an artist and he has several
songs that he's put I think he's gonna put together album.
He'll soon. When is he gonna When is it gonna break?
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Man?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
When you app'm gonna break.
Speaker 7 (02:19):
We just break it on the show, Break on the show.
One single at a time. Yeah, yeah, one single at
a time.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
We're gonna do something different today. Okay, yess he's not here.
We're gonna save all the the uh, the offense defense
stuff for tomorrow. And we have never I don't think
one show in the history of this show, Yes, sir,
have ever given Kurt his due.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
May mean that's a good thing, and followed.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
His talking points line from the Yes Nat say, we're
gonna ask him about all fourteen of his kids.
Speaker 7 (02:57):
No, Nate came in. He was like, let's do this.
Let's do something different, Like, okay, Wen.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
There's a reason you know, you're the police, you're the
gatekeeper on this.
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Just go down's just.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Go down the line. No, it always it all sounds good.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It's just it's a Kurt possible ideas. Welcome any ideas.
And then he give us ten to what one to
how many?
Speaker 4 (03:18):
Usually between eight and twelve fifteen sometimes, and we we
what makes our show different is we don't have a
run a show. Kurt gives us ideas and then we
just go all over the place. Sometimes we don't hit
one item. Sometimes we get to most of them. But
I don't think we've ever gone to where we're like, okay,
item number one, two, three, I.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Want to do that. What tippens before five of them?
I want to use up to you both.
Speaker 7 (03:42):
You know what, Kurt, do you have the you have
your list? Why don't you run the show today? You host?
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Start? Let's do that. Just start number one, start.
Speaker 7 (03:52):
With number one.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Yeah, I'll bring us in and out of breaks and
do all that. But you fring up the points and
I'll be Jesse Vanilla.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Jize double meaning.
Speaker 6 (04:06):
All right, we'll try this.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Okay, okay, So four games in month of September, we're
a quarter the way through. Cowboys offenses first in yards
one six hundred and seventeen. They are dead last in
defensive yards allowed. Now they've had two overtime games and
played a little extra and everybody else. But is there
any way they can make this successful with those kinds
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of rankings and numbers?
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Well, Kurt, I'm glad you asked, because that's been on
my mind all week since the day.
Speaker 7 (04:40):
Look, here's what I think.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
I think the way Dak's playing playing out of his mind.
He's playing like a top three quarterback. Maybe, hell, he
may be the best one in the league right now,
the way he played that game and the decisions he's
been making. But that's not it's sustainable over a season.
But when he can't do it every single game, So
(05:03):
the games that he slips up, that's where you're gonna
have the problem. Like, you can't it's not possible to
be perfect. Eighteen weeks of football. He's gonna slip up
and you're gonna have to score thirty thirty five forty
points every week. The way this defense, I don't think
you're fixing the defense. I don't care what you do,
so I don't think you can bring people in. I
(05:26):
just I think maybe they'll get better and they'll grow
a little bit and they'll hold people to twenty seven.
Speaker 7 (05:32):
But I don't see them becoming a good defense.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I see them staying in the bottom quarter of the league.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Instead of being thirty second. Even if they were like twentieth.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it would help, Oh yeah, oh yes, sir. Well,
because when you're giving up almost sixty yards more as
a defense than your offense that is ranked in the
top ten and almost at every category, that does not
say a lot. And I'm agreeing with you, Vanilla Jesse.
This thing is not go change VJJ, but I mean it.
Speaker 7 (06:06):
I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
I after after the Bears game, I didn't think this
was gonna be a competitive team. I think they're gonna
be in every game, but I think every game is
gonna be competitive, good and bad.
Speaker 7 (06:18):
This week, I think it's gonna.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
Be competitive because they're not gonna I think the next
week against Carolina. But you're gonna have a couple of
games that you're gonna get blown out because when Dak
has an off game, your defense is still gonna let
the other team score. So I think you're gonna be
in it until right up towards the end. It's gonna
be a fun season if you like offense. But if
you if you like good defense, you're gonna be mad
(06:42):
by the end of the year.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
You're gonna be insane, you know. I listened to Braddis
on the show a couple of shows before us, and
they asked about draft picks and this year here, no,
just let it ride this season. If we can't find
somebody sitting home or some I didn't want to just
get rid of a player for basically nothing. Just let
(07:04):
this season ride.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Hold on to your draft and just go, yes, enjoy
the season.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Number two, brother, Kurt, let me pull them back up here.
Keep it up, keep it up.
Speaker 7 (07:17):
You ain't got no problem.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
Well, you just mentioned that they could be in it
even against the Jets in the Carolina if there's this
coming week, So is this okay? The next two games?
Is this the turning point of the season. If you
lose these two, even if you maybe lose one, Are
they cooked? Are they done? Or any chances of having
(07:43):
a successful season done? So these and does that add
additional pressure because so much could be riding on these
which we thought were too meaningless.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Wins, throwaway wins.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, but now this could be it.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
So you, Jesse, I'll follow up. I agree.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
If you don't win these two games, I still think
they're gonna be competitive. I think it's they're gonna be
one score games, either seven points or less, because I
don't think you have I don't think you can stop anybody.
It's going to be you know, now, can the Jets
score with Justin fields? The problem is his strongest attribute
(08:23):
is what's eating you alive?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
In two games?
Speaker 4 (08:26):
A mobile quarterback and your linebackers can't they running quick?
Saying when they run up against a fast guy. So
I think these are Look, you could you could lose
them and turn something around. But I think this early
in the season, these are must win games because let's
go look at remember when we went through the schedule.
(08:46):
You know what's coming after this, the meat grinder. So
I think you gotta win these two.
Speaker 9 (08:51):
The thing.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Like when Jesse and a couple other guys say I'd
have went for it. I'd have went for it, And
I tried to comeback that my thing is this here,
you're trying to change the culture. And so like I
didn't understand why he took dak out two games ago,
and it was explained to me. And I go back
to when Jimmy, when he first got it, he was
(09:16):
careful about how he did things, you know, but once
we two years in, he would have went for that
because he would have had better players, a better situation,
and the confidence would have been high. And so when
I look at this right here, if let's say they
would have went for that and lost the game, what
(09:37):
we would have been taking into the Jets right now?
And I'm not I don't Gopher ties either win or lose.
But over there, what are they thinking?
Speaker 5 (09:46):
So I would think Schottenheimer he wants any grasp of positivity.
Speaker 6 (09:51):
Yes, sir, So tie for him is better than the loss.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yes, So these next two games, they are winnable if
we can just get two stops in the second half.
That's serious. That sounds so pathetic. No, no, no, listen, stops.
Let me tell you why. Because when they wasn't in
the lead. It was about four. When we were in
(10:16):
the lead, it was about three. So there was always
a field goal away. But if we could have got
a stop in the second half. They never really stopped
us either. So now we go up. So we either
up about four or five. Now they got to score
a touchdown that may give our defense, you know what,
what it needs. So we're gonna need if we going
back and forth, like you said, we need to get
(10:39):
too steals in the second half.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Of course, we haven't scored in the second half on
the road yet this year.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
So changed that.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Break, that break that just when we thought we had
something positive.
Speaker 7 (10:53):
Trying to talk us out of it. The voice that's
that chair, that's the chair.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah wow, okay, number three. So we're looking at this
zero to four Jets team. Three of those losses have
been to teams that are currently leading their division. Pittsburgh's
three and one ahead of the AFC Central. They got
beat by Buffalo. They're four and oh head of the
FC West, and then Tampa Bay's three and one they're
(11:21):
ahead of the NFC South. So they faced some pretty
good teams so far as this should we not be
overlooking the Jets here because they could be a little tougher.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, the film that I've seen offense defensive I've seen
two games. Offense. I've seen the half game Miami was
the half game in Miami and Tampa is the two
games I've seen. Defensively, they have players, they're trying to
run a new system up on a new coach. On defense,
they got number ninety five tackle defensive three technique over
(11:53):
the guard. Quinn Williams. Is he nice? You're gonna have
the double team. I mean, you can't go solo sometime,
but the majority ting you got have the double team. Offensively,
they have a good running back, They have a nice
wide receiver. The quarterback is the issue here. Do not
(12:14):
take this man likely. They gonna yeah, they're gonna throw
five yard, ten yard. They press him when they throw
fifteen yards. But if you get out of your rush lane,
he gonna light your new fire.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
Bro.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
He's fast.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, he gonna light your new fire. And we can
say he can't throw, but once he gets you where
he needs you to be and he has no pressure,
That's what we're trying to get With all these new
dual threat quarterbacks. Coaches are trying to take like the
Ben Johnson's of the world. They trying to take away
your thinking, bru. This is the one or two options
(12:51):
you got and if those one or two options are
not there, just take off a run. And so this
kid couple with him being with Pittsburgh last year when
they was doing that early in the year for him.
Now the Jets are doing that for him. So if
he can, if it's one or two reasons not that
he take off, we're going to be in our lanes.
(13:12):
And the positive thing about lanes, if you stay in them,
you make the quarterback have to throw the ball. But
if you get out of them, the quarterback gonna punish you.
So now we don't have a consistent pass rush, y'all.
So this thing is gonna be what and what you
(13:33):
know we don't have if we had a consistent pass
rush to put pressure on his kid to knock him
off his spot, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Not a consistent pass rushing backers are struggling. Yes, it
sounds like it's gonna make a tough afternoon for corralling
the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yes, wow, wanted to.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
Get another one in there for the break.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Or last Wait, tell me what I heard about this,
but I haven't seen it happened coach Salid got into
it was one of the one of the Jaguars players.
Speaker 6 (14:06):
No, the other coach okay.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
And something about they had He had sort of a
if I'm not one percent sure, so forget. He had
kind of accused the Jacksonville coach of legally stealing signs.
I'm not sure what that means. So after the game,
the Jacksonville coaches when they went to the handshake, he
was like, no, no, he walked past him, and then
(14:29):
I guess at that point words are said and they
got the barking at each other.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
A few coaches in the league I would not want
to pick a fight with.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
He would be a Dan Cama Beasy with his voice
of the Cape.
Speaker 7 (14:47):
All right, Kurt, go ahead, give us one more number four.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Last year, the Dallas defense is one of the worst
versus the run. This year they are the absolute worst
versus the pass. Seems like a bad trade off at
this point, would you rather be worse against the run?
Speaker 7 (15:03):
Would you rather? Yeah, that's that's what I like about.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
I always build from the middle, Always build from the middle. Uh.
But the one like when we when we let number
one left here, I always said, I said mister Jones
had one or two choices. Pay this man and go
out and get you a uh a B plus nose
(15:29):
tackle or let the man go. So they let the
man go and they got a B plus nose tackle.
Now uh now, now you're you know you're in a buying,
You're in a buying. But one thing, I don't think
that mister Jones, any of these coaches thought defensively that
(15:49):
our secondary would not be able to adjust. That is
the crusher that nobody saw coming when this happened. We
knew we want to have the sack pressure. We knew
we're gonna have sacks, but maybe a little bit of pressure.
And did you think that our secondary would be in shambles? No,
even with the injuries, we didn't think I secondary would
(16:10):
be in shambles.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
It just seems like now last year they were giving
up fifteen twenty yard runs, now they're giving up forty
yard touchdowns.
Speaker 7 (16:19):
Would you I would?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
I think I would rather have a although it's not
as it's hard to watch when you have a terrible
pass defense, I personally would rather have a bad pass
defense than a bad run defense. And maybe it's just
because I have a little PTSD of watching this team
the last twelve year.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, yeah, how last twenty years? But the thing is
now you're talking about Friday the thirteenth, that's what passed.
Does you just everywhere you go Jason coming after Yeah,
you know, and it can happen so quick.
Speaker 7 (16:56):
Yes, with the run game, it's a slow slow this.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yeah, we cut a couple of time, but bro this
what we have done here has not been as not
being right. Uh wow, even to the point where you
you pay a guy in two years later. You take
away snaps. You know, in digs you're taking away snaps. Uh.
So it's it's it's a killer. I'd rather have the
(17:22):
poor run defense because it's a slow down.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Yeah, I guess it's to me because it's football, and
when you have a bad run.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
Defense, it's about being physical.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, I'd rather have beating you up right.
Speaker 7 (17:34):
I'd rather have a physical team can't.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Cover the non physical teams that cover, right, because it
seems like in the playoffs, the formula every year in
December is.
Speaker 7 (17:48):
Wear them out in third quarter, just run, run, run,
and you can't.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
And it's it's just like watching this past defense is tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
I don't know of course, this is such a pass
happy league. It's you know, seventy percent of the players
are passed. I mean, it's just it's boom, I'll chunk
your downfield.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah, all right, let's take our first break. Good,
good job, Kurt. I like that, right, it's a good idea, Hey, light,
take our first break when we come back.
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Kurt is hosting today with Jesse's absence, and we are
going exactly down his rundown sheet. I am Vanilla Jesse
otherwise known as VJ today next to uh Big New
What you.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
Got for is Kurt? What's number five?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Number five on the list? And I'm interested in all
this because we have our resident expert here on staff.
But UH, Pro Football Focus, you guys know, I visit
all the time. They have Dallas ranked third and run
blocking in the league but last in pass blocking. A Nate,
I just wonder like one, you kind of agree with that?
(21:28):
And then two, this is probably a dumb question, but
are there ways to use the what they do well
in run blocking in the passing game?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
That is the new NFL make everything look the same? Uh?
That's the you know, pay action pass. That word has
been around a long time. Play action pass is run
fake like you run in the ball, you know, and
that makes guys come up, linebackers come up, maybe a
deep deep safety take a step up and not a
(21:56):
step back and that minute hesitation. Then you got a
chance for receivers to get into open lanes, break free
off of one on one and stuff like that. That's
what the play action passes. And then your waggles where
your quarterback or fake fake to run and waggle around
or roll out stuff like that. So, uh, it's ways
(22:17):
of doing it, but you have to your run has
to stay effective because one or two times when you
do that, the linebackers will stop looking at the running
backs and they gonna start, you know, going to dropping
to the areas right away, or a defensive lineman gonna
not pay attention to the run and just gonna come off.
So you're gonna have to be pretty consistent with that.
(22:38):
Play action pass are making a lot of your uh
you know, like the Jets, they open up I think
one of their games where they had twelve personnel and
they ran that a lot, you know, and then all
of a sudden helped them a little bit later on
in the game, and Miami did the same thing. So well, no,
Miami didn't they stay spread out?
Speaker 4 (23:00):
What makes you a good How can somebody be really
good run blocking but really bad, isn't the technique?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
One of them is a physical movement. One of them
is a physical leverage. We call run blocking a physical
leverage where you try to get up under a guy,
get his paths, or you just try to maul a guy,
you know, if he's good enough to get into you first.
You just try to mall a guy, you know, and
just move him. You know, I can get up on
you and feel you, whereas in past I'm dropping back
(23:31):
in some more positional leverage. Are you trying to stay
between your quarterback more athletic a guy that is more athletic. Movie,
you gotta kind of wait on a guy to see
where he going, Whereas it's run blocking a lot of times,
unless they slanting certain ways, you can dictate what happens
to him. He's reading you, whereas with the past, I'm
reading you. Now you coming off the end, I'm reading you.
(23:53):
Especially if I jump way out, I'm giving you two
ways to go, you know, That's why I love the
concluon effect up there with the guards, the centers. He
ain't got much room to jump around up and now
so but on them tackles.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Yeah, And I would think most linemen would prefer run blocking.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yes, yes, because if I can lay my hands on
you and you and uh, you can be physical and
past blocking too, But in run blocking, uh, you get
a chance to just let him feel your strength and
your power over and over a game. Like they wore
Parsons down by just continuing to hitting him, hitting him,
hitting him at the end of the game, even though
(24:30):
he got that sack at the end. Uh, that kid
was worn down. I promise he went to sleep that
night back on the plane. He probably ate him some
cottage cheese and went to.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Street well having they got a defense decent run game
going down this year with Williams. I mean, how much
is he helping just that run game with the I've
been impressed with how he seems patient with setting up
blocks and on that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
And you know the thing that he he don't run
you over fully. He always half he's half man. He's
he's not taking the pounding people are thinking, you know,
like Earl Campbell, Earl Campb. He used to be all
or nothing with Earl. But this guy, he always sliding
off of you, always spinning off of you. When he's
(25:19):
when he see he has that advantage, he'll lay that
big oldhead on you. But now he just he understands
his blocking scheme and he's doing a great job. But
like I said, I think he's being under used, and
maybe coach saying, hey, this is a long season. I
gotta protect Dak. So there's maybe some games, but I
don't have to give it to him twenty five, twenty
(25:39):
six times. Right now you're averaging around by nineteen twenty carries.
Speaker 7 (25:44):
That isn't it crazy?
Speaker 4 (25:45):
How that that was the main focal point of in
training camp, Like we don't have a run game, we
don't have a running back. This is the biggest deal.
That's been the brightest spot on the team. Is like
Dak's playing the running game. And then everything you thought
was good the secondary, Oh, we gonna be dron Bland
his back.
Speaker 7 (26:04):
And Trayvonsy will be bad.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
We're good linebackers, we got Liu foul, we got some newcomers.
Speaker 7 (26:11):
We're gonna be good. And then man, what a difference
four games can make hu.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
That's for sure, all right, Number six. We'll stay with
the offensive line here. So Guiden might not play this weekend.
He's had a concussion late in the gainings in the
protocol that shot numbers said it's possible. Still, he's struggling
this year again. Pro football Vocus has him marked sixty
to seven out of seventy three tackles. So one, what
(26:39):
did you think of Nate Thomas when he got in there?
And is it time to give him a chance at more?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You have another choice? Guiden has been better? Is he
played up to the level where we think most of
our past first rounders that played, No, he hasn't. But
he's gotten better. He seemed to be a lot more
confident and he's much more physical than he was last year.
(27:07):
He still has a wage to go and I just
hate when he missed games because that's a rep taken
away from him. But Nate Thomas, he played okay last week.
He played left and right tackle. So you imagine if
he can get sixty snaps at one one deal and
they see, okay, is this really a competition? Is can
(27:29):
we really put a little bit more pressure on our
offensive tackles fellas. I'm gonna say this right here. I
haven't seen guys have snaps taken away from them since Jimmy.
I mean, we saw where Diggs had a few snaps
taken away, and maybe it was playing that way. I
don't know what the trainers or something, but you see
(27:51):
our linebackers, you know we're seeing them. Yeah, Sam Williams
taking right out of the game immediately.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
You like that.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I like yeah, because it's mister Jones for the first
time in a very long time, and Steven and all
of those guys and will they letting this guy coach.
You know, don't make him a liar. Hey, man, I
got your back, I got you covered. Do what I
asked you to do. You gonna play? Then all of
a sudden, Yeah, I got you back. I got you covered.
(28:20):
But you don't have to do what I say. Yeah,
now you got to do what the coach say. You know,
you got you gotta. I don't care if you're the
best one on one man in the world, and I'm
being honest, if that man, leave you over there by
yourself and tell you by yourself. You got this deep
third by yourself, and you up there pressing and miss
(28:42):
and fall on the ground and we give up a
touchdown when all you had to do was turn and
run and make sure this man catched this ball underneath
you left. We'll at least have a second chance that
Who do you care about?
Speaker 5 (28:53):
You?
Speaker 2 (28:53):
What you want to do, what's best for the team.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
I'm surprised that Thomas winning at right tackle, like you
said for Steel, I think I was just kind of
giving Steal a break or something going on.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
I don't know. Like I said, that play action pass,
which you've always heard me say, Stell is a play
as I just wish that we had a steady enough
defense that we could run the ball thirty five times.
Just a steady enough defense. Because we could run the
(29:26):
ball thirty five times, that's gonna save Dak and that's
definitely gonna save our tackles. But you have to play
the game. I has played shoot out.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
It's fun. Let's take our last break when we come back.
How many more points you gotta get?
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Three more?
Speaker 7 (29:45):
See what they are?
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yes, we come back.
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Hang with the boys.
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to get three questions.
Speaker 7 (32:51):
I think we can do it.
Speaker 6 (32:51):
Oh, I think I think we pull it off.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Fine, we'll be funn These are all sort of related.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
So actually four questions?
Speaker 6 (32:59):
Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Four.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I'm sorry, it's okay. I forgot about seven over looked, Okay,
number seven. Then I mentioned to see, how do you think?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Jake Ferguson has the most catches by any tight end
in NFL history after four games, crazy thirty four. But
he also has the lowest yards per catch average in
the league among tight ends right now, six point six yards.
Do you like the way they're using him? Is there
a way to maybe get him more yarded? Just all
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these little dump offs.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
It's part of the run game. He is actively a
part of the run game. You know. Get the ball
out of that hand, try to find some rhythm. Make
these guys rush. It's kind of like they rushing for nothing.
When you get the ball out of your hand that quick.
Devins Lineman hate that they get five steps in all
of a sudden the ball gone. You know what I'm saying.
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It's kind of disheartening. Uh So I see what coach's
trying to do. Now I'm thinking that what he's trying
to do. Uh Like I said, you know, he broke
the average and called a ten yard touchdown fast. But
you know, but I think it's part of his run game.
I think it's to him throwing to the backside of
the backfield. I think they's just part of the run game.
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And keep it going, keep some type of rhythm going,
eat up some clock.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
You know you guys like that.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Me personally, I would like to see eight or nine
yards because that that you know, that that that always
keeps you in manageable down in distance. But sometimes you
catch it two or three yards. That's that's scary because
you know, it puts a lot of pressure on your
quarterback to make a bigger play next time.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Not like you, Kurt, you want to know why tell
us because it's working. Whatever you're doing right now. Don't
change anything on offense. But it's worked even without CD, Like,
you got guys stepping up, you got a run game. Finally, Hey,
guess what they can score in the red zone this year.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
You know how long it's been since we've been able
to score in the red zone.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
Now, if they can just score on the first possession
of the game and get some momentum going, like like,
don't fall behind, and then get it to where you
can use that run game and run down the clock
and wear those guys out that way when Dak really needs.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
To air it out.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
You know, the defense on the other side is exhausted,
like whatever they're doing. Yeah, would it be great if
they stretch the field a little bit with ferguson. But
you got CD, you got pickings, you got turping, you
got those guys that can do that. Keep doing what
you're doing, man, keep this rhythm going. It's fun to watch.
Dak's getting the ball, like you said, getting the ball out.
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Keep him healthy. I mean he's an old man now.
You know, he got a family to look after. Now,
he got to make some business decisions, So keep keep
it going.
Speaker 7 (35:49):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, Well that's interest. I hadn't thought of it in
that way. It's just part of the run game whatever,
and it's successful. Like you said, cool, all right, number
eight here our owner mister Jones said, uh, I remember
yesterday or to day on.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
What was that like ship Little River Band song hang,
help is own the way?
Speaker 6 (36:14):
Nice? Yeah, he did say that.
Speaker 5 (36:17):
They're asked him about the defense and he kind of said,
helps on the way. But it makes you wonder what
help it is.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
I mean, at the end of this year, man, with
the draft, help is on. The free agent money is
larger than it's been in a long time.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And look, let's don't forget this is one of the
best personnel groups that can go find guys that have
been sitting on the couch for six eight months a year.
Speaker 7 (36:46):
Remember that one year when George.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Selvy was here and all those guys and they just
around what was it around Christmas time?
Speaker 7 (36:52):
They just went and hey, what you doing? You want
to come play some football?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
Like, if they're out there, Will McLay and those guys,
we'll be able to find them.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
So I don't think there's.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Gonna be I hope, I'm like you, I hope they
do what spend this draft capital on something. Do they
find somebody something that's low value, trade a trade a seventh.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Rounder and you're seventh and beyond if we got it
seventh and beyond, or.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
Go find somebody.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
Go go call Brady James and say, hey, what you
doing Brady.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
Well, I've heard like fans keep asking like, why don't
they sign Stefan Gilmour, Why don't they sign Eric Kendricks
or guys like this, you know, obviously past their prime,
but maybe a little knowledge, And I don't know, it's
something like that interest you at all?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Me, fellas, I'm sticking to my guns. This is gonna
this season's gonna be what it's gonna be. I'm enjoying it. Uh,
not to losing and not even a tie, but just
to see where this team is guided out and the
thing that makes me happy. Like you said, whether we
play the worst team in the league is gonna be
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a shoe out. Whether we played the best team in
the league, we got a chance to have a shootout.
So hey, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Like when you I don't know, I used to shoot
pool a lot, because obviously that's been half my life
in a bar. But that's why I failed out of
my first two years of college because I played pool in.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
The student union building. But when you shoot pool, you play.
If somebody's worse.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
Than you, you usually play down to their level. When
they're better than you, you raise your game and you're
always pooled you no matter how, unless you just are
a shark, there's always gonna you're gonna be within one
or two balls on the table both ways, right, you
play up and down.
Speaker 7 (38:40):
I think that's what this team's gonna do.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
I think when you have equal or greater talent, yes
you're probably gonna lose, but you're gonna be in the game.
When you were playing somebody with equal or lesser talent,
you probably gonna let them play up to your potential.
Speaker 7 (38:55):
So I I just I'm not gonna get upset. I'm
not gonna gripe every week. I'm good like they just
go enjoy the ride, and I hope they hope they
because a little bit. You gotta everybody each.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Week we thought we were winning, how people swayed back
and forth? Now, I mean, uh, we saw what James
Houston did or was it James Houston got? Now it's
all hey, man, bench everybody, I mean not everybody's you know,
he's the next coming, and just thinking over shown this
man hadn't played, but people like cowboys, hope is eternal,
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you know, man, We just hold on. We got this
guy here going James. Now we get over shown back,
so we ain't got to do much all We got
to just shove them in the street a litt bit.
They'll running out there and get hit.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Well, I'll jump to number ten, man, because like you said, people.
Speaker 7 (39:46):
Keeping to go number nine in order. All right, number nine,
we almost made it the finish line, Curt.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
Okay, we're getting there. Okay, So again talking about bringing help,
there's the twenty one day practice. Windows opened up for
some of these guys that have been on some of
the reserve lists. Jonathan Domingo, Shavon Revel, Phil MafA, Canaan Carson.
Speaker 6 (40:07):
Is this part of the helpers on.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
The way that joes might be talking about And can
any of them you think really make an impact or
a difference?
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah? By seven games from now, I'm gonna always give
these kids and people coming off injury. I'm gonna give
them time when I think it's so irresponsible for me,
a guy that's played sports. I'm not talking about the
typical fan, they pay their money, they should expect the best.
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A guy that's been in sports a long time to
look at these guys and know what it takes to
get back and to get going. Some of these guys
are coming off major injuries. Some of these guys have
not played football since last year. So in time, six seven,
eight games give these guys as an actual chance. And
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now who's to say they ain't learning a new offense
or a new defense. So yeah, six days, seven weeks,
it's funny, but I'm not gonna tell a fan, hey man, Revel,
get out there, boy. I'm telling you you this dude
that's the cornerback right he coming off major surgery and
then I think they had to do something to his
other knee. So if this kid don't come out the
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gate in two or three weeks being what everybody wanting
to be, now, you don't have to backtrack well you
know years coming off say this responsibly before you know.
That's what I believe.
Speaker 5 (41:35):
I'm hoping that Mingo is in Carson can heal. They've
been around a little bit and so they kind of
know the league.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Mingo ain't got a choice Tobert has made sure that
Floyd nor is made sure that come come half if
you won't. These kids are trying to grow up because
Pickens has made sure that that's called competition. You know
what I'm saying right right?
Speaker 5 (42:02):
The other two though, I mean myfing like you said.
Speaker 6 (42:05):
Their rookies, Yes they are, man, I doubt we're gonna
see a whole lot of them.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, okay, well we'll get we'll slip number ten in.
And you brought him up a little bit before Buteop.
People keep talking about over Shawn, even even mister Jones
said it on his radio show that, I mean, he's
an exciting player, but two pretty major knee surgeries in
two years. Why What's because we expect even if he
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comes back this year though.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
He jumped on't remember he got hurt his rookie year
and this dude they had to literally put a bit
on his dude to hold him back in training camp.
He was trying to run out there in practice because
he never he never had that mindset like like a
lot of guys trying to come back off of injury,
they think about, you know, they breaking down. This kid
(42:52):
didn't think that way. But now you've had a second surgery.
Speaker 5 (42:57):
Yeah, even maybe worse than.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, worse than now. Even the trainers are saying, Okay,
we know as soon as we turn this guy loose,
he gonna be one hundred miles an hour. But it's
still the game he hasn't played in a long time.
We got to give him a chance, you know, because
remember now, they were trying to corral him to say,
slow down, break down, because he missed a few tackles
(43:18):
each game. Even though he was making a lot of
tackles behind the line in the open field, he was
an ultimate linebacker, he missed one or two because he's
just so gung hold to take your head off. So
now is he gonna be that same guy? And is
he gonna you know.
Speaker 5 (43:35):
It, it seems unfair to him because you're saying, oh,
this guy's gonna were things will be different when he
gets back. It'll be a bigger impact. You're asking him
to hit that hundred of miles he has.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And he may he may be that guy that can
go one hundred miles an hour, but he has. It
is not fair, and that's why that's why you hear
me sometimes just challenge especially I'm talking to Dallas Cowboys
dot com. You guys in the street. I don't care,
you know, but we have a job. You know, we
we can, we are allowed. We're the only NFL team
(44:09):
to basically be able to say what we want about
over there and ownership and coaching and so. But we
still have a responsibility. Don't oversell something, man. Everybody should
have been around here long enough. When I hit people,
you know what was shown? Get back? Wow. And then
when you see him in the hall, you say, hey, bro,
this dude coming off injury.
Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 2 (44:30):
Well, hold on, bruh, you just told everybody the cavalry
was coming. What if they run over the cavalry? What
if the Indians have boy Arrows didn't have Winchester. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (44:40):
And Kurt you have in your uh in your note there.
And people keep talking about overshown, including Jerry Why what?
Speaker 2 (44:49):
What is? What is? Why is he not supposed to? Bro?
Speaker 5 (44:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (44:51):
No, no?
Speaker 7 (44:51):
What is mister Jones at his core?
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Thank you?
Speaker 7 (44:55):
Yeah, he's a salesman. You think he you think he
doesn't want to fill that statem him up every week?
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Why you think he said help is on the way
because he sees what we see and he knows if
that mindset gets in those fans that, oh lord, this
season is over four games in, people gonna start selling
them tickets. The value is gonna go to that. So
guess what what? What does everybody want? Hope helps on
the way. Guess what Overshown? Remember how good he was?
(45:25):
He's selling it. He's selling it so that that's why
And you know what fair?
Speaker 7 (45:30):
Unfair?
Speaker 4 (45:32):
That's the world we live in with this star right,
three hundred and sixty five days a year. It's a
soap opera, right, yes, sir, you got you got to
sell the hope when there's not any hope right now, and.
Speaker 7 (45:43):
It doesn't look like a whole lot of hope.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
See. But the two entities I'm talking about should be
the way they are. Missus Jones should be one hundred
and ten percent in always, the fans should be one
hundred and ten percent in because one is making money
(46:08):
and the other than is spending money. So you need
each other. They need each other, so you have to
keep ciphering that thing from them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (46:17):
And as maddening as it is, yes, it works. And
that's why this building is so nice. Yes, you know
that's why this complex. That's why you can look out
on that field when we open the show and there's
the middle of the day, in the middle of the week,
there's people out there. It's why there's tours non stop
in this building because yes.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
I'm gonna get in on that. Just gonna get a
piece of that change, right.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
Yeah, get some guest appearance money the tours.
Speaker 4 (46:42):
But it works, man, and that's why it's the most
obnoxious fan base in the world and the greatest fan
base in the world. Kurt, great job, come back, Jesse, Nate,
good stuff.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Good stuff for you today, Bro. Good stuff was going.
Speaker 4 (46:57):
Down to thank Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.
Josh s thanks for keeping him company. Jesse, we will
see you tomorrow on the show.
Speaker 7 (47:04):
Get Report and uh yeah, we'll see you then we are.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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