September 29, 2025 • 51 mins
Should the Cowboys have gone for it on fourth-and-goal in overtime? If they wanted to really build a culture, maybe they should have. Because does a tie really mean anything? Should you let your best player go win it? Plus, missed tackles were a killer for the defense. You got to get off the field. Let’s talk about that crazy overtime tie!
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
The following.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Cowboys blowing out of the backfield, exploding down the sideline.
He's Hanging with the Boys, presented by wing Stuff Where
Flavor gets its wings.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Now your hosts.
Speaker 5 (00:31):
Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross. Time Monday.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
You're look alive kind of okay.
Speaker 5 (00:49):
You're looking at the side of the building outside Fort
Center at the Star Frisco, Texas above Tostitos Championship Plaza,
where it is eighty three degrees, the highest eighty four,
the low is sixty six.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
See he is Nate, This is Kurt Twupunks Daniel, this
is Shannon Gross in the back is keeping us live
and local. We have a special guest in the house.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
Frank.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I am Salt and Pepper Poppy. Together we make Hanging
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Brought to you each and every show by Wingstop. Frank,
Here you go where Flavor gets its wine.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
There you go, here we go.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Shout out to Wingstop for not only delivering Frank to
the show today, they delivered these delicious wingss that we're eating.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh so good. Nate, you gonna, you're gonna, You're gonna
hang in there.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And Nate that late night, he was out at the
stadium all night with the pre game and post game,
the game that just kept on going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
And proving then proving that we are so right on
this show that if we don't score forward it, we
won't have a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Sometimes we don't get.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
Wow, you know, and I was excited, you know, for
this team as a whole, and I and I'm jumping
the gun. I jump on in. No, no, no, no,
let's talk about Frank.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
All right, we'll get we'll get Frank a couple of moms.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sorry, sir, I messed that up. Okay, we just could
really dig in on them.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We'll give we'll give Jesse.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So Frank one our our Wingstop contest that we were
promoting on the show the last couple of months. I
think in July August, your buddy actually want it, right,
And then it was you, Okay, I don't think you
were gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I thought You're gonna have to donate it.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Okay, all right, Well, Wingstop gave you a nice little
wingstop jersey. There you go, wingstop. I was giving him
some crap in the back. I said, we've been doing
this for eight years and we never got a wing
stop jersey. Thanks for two minutes, and it has a
wingstop jersey.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
But yeah, what do you think? Mand? Did you go
to the game last night?
Speaker 7 (03:13):
I did?
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Speak a little bit closer I did.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
It was out of sight.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, how was the environment electric?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Have you been to a Cowboys game before?
Speaker 9 (03:22):
Normally on the outside just striving people there. Yeah, I'm
a limousine right.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
So you got to go in and watch the game
first time? First time for a game in the stadium.
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Well, congratulations. What do you think about the wings? What
flavor did you get over there?
Speaker 9 (03:36):
I got the low the low heat. I guess it's barbecue.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Okay, barbecues good. That's like our defense. Yeah, barbecuebe just right. Well,
welcome to the show man.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We're gonna get you involved here in a little bit.
We'll get these guys thoughts on the game, and then
let you eat a couple of wings, and then we'll
come back around.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Here's your copy points, man, who's your copy points?
Speaker 7 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:00):
No, we're not reading. No, no, no, we'll do it throughout
the show. Wing Stop is here. That's all I had
to say.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And yeah, it's actually good.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Was really good. Jesse got the news so he like.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Read, yeah, you're going question, We'll start with you, Nate,
you were there, What was the vibe like?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's it was jumping, and I mean packed house.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Your boy Michael was out there on the plaza getting
everybody fired up.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
From the middle of light.
Speaker 8 (04:31):
He couldn't make a move without him boring him. So,
I mean, at least, you know, at least we had.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
That part right, Mike, Mike, the real Michael Michael eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Come on, man, I don't been through that. You about it.
I thought you were talking about parts of that.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
So he got booed.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Huh you couldn't really hear it on te No no,
and see, uh, man, I'm tired. So if I wonder
off more than I normally, that just that.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Just amazes me how he can just so he's he's
he's mowing him now for real, he is mowing him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, they're gonna come a point time on this show.
We'all gonna go, Okay, Jesse talk, I'm gonna talk for
six minutes, which I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You know what that looks like Golden did on that
pump return, just murdered, just mur those wings.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I thought I thought marriage killed that boy.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
You no, no, But I'm talking about the Michael Partson,
not my Irving, but Micah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I mean every movie made, whether he.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Was stretching coming out of the tunnel, I mean, they
they they let him have it. But and I was
excited after the game. You know, we saw some things.
Defense made some plays in the first half. Then it
seemed like as the game went on and it just
(05:48):
it dawned on me that.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
They can't tackle.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
When you look at the third downs, I think it
was over eighty percent up there.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It was up there.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean that is why we lost the game.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
The penalties, yes, but when you can't get off the
field on third down, a third down normally don't play
a whole lot in today's NFL, you know, because with
big play after big play, but they just great on
first down, great on second down, Hey, come third down,
and after about the fourth or fifth straight, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Like, but is that something like as bad as the
defense played, the secondary and the non tackling, and then the.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Line it went the line back the linebackers. But is
this something they can build on?
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Like you you you had bright spots as to where
the games before it was just like.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Shine of smoke, shina. Do they tackling pee wee football?
Sometimes they tackling in high school?
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Okay, this this is that's that's unacceptable for me, because
I thought, once you have a chance to sit down
and think about the game. Jesse and I went along
and everybody went along. We gotta score thirty five points,
we gotta score twenty nine points. We gotta score this.
Hey man, it comes a point in your defense, well
(07:19):
one or two times, maybe once in the first half,
a couple of times in the second half, you're gonna
have to make a defensive play and get off the
field so we can get We leading by three right
when we scored, it was about three, and when they
scored it was about four. So at some point in
time in the second half we had to double up.
(07:41):
We had to score, get them off the field in
the right position, and we scored again to get that.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Full point going our way. We never did it. Did
we look at the third downs here?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Did we get that curse.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
Seven on red zone seventy one.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Bruh, it don't matter when you go up up above fifty,
when you go up above that, that that you.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Don't that's a dreaded thing, I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
Coach Eva Flew saying himself, we halfway got the coverage,
is right. Our d line halfway got after these guys
moved it, moved a quarterback off the spot, and then
our linebackers again caught an open field taking taking specially
(08:33):
team shots.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know how when you're going down on the on
the punter and.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
All of a sudden, you you you about to get there,
you just take a shot, you know, just to kind
of make it move. That we did not tackle, and
that cost us the game that was on Perkins was
on Juggernaut. Javonte was running through folks. The old line
(08:57):
was doing what they had to do. They wore down
Parsons and him a non factor. And all we had
to do out of thirteen third downs was make them
fifty percent or less by tackling and getting off the field,
giving Dak a double shot at some point in the
game to take the league convincingly, and we did not
(09:20):
do that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So you know what, I felt last night. I'm glad.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
I hope you all people didn't weren't listening to me,
because that's what's all wrong. You know, people said, we
didn't lose, we didn't win, Da da da da. No,
we had to play a lot of players, people played
two tackles.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Secondary.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Just this is what this is telling me, is coaches,
the coaches, now that we've learned our players, we finished
oart implementing this thing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And when you implement.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Three different offensive linemen, four or five safetists, four linebackers,
what does that tell you that you're not you cannot
build no continuity. And that's for you get what you
got last night that should not be happening.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Fellas Kurt, what we're.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Trying to say three times.
Speaker 10 (10:12):
Due were there eighteen miss tackles. That's just you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah. The one that took out to me was like,
so glaring is where they dumped it down to the
running back. Green Bay dumped it down to the running
back and you had the dB and you had the
lineback I think was mass Leah foul converging and he
split them. Yeah, and even on the on the on
the on the TV copy, they go, well you just
(10:36):
can't do that, like you know, gosh, gett a tackle
like that, like it was like you tackled now, I
thought you was gonna tackle. I thought you was gonna tackle,
and no one tackled him and took to Neck's point,
you know it was you know, tackling definitely was was
bad last night. But this defense was about to say.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I was gonna say, is that optimism about to come out?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
No, because defensively, there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's in the bad, you know, too dangerous for me
up here.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
There's nothing you can do defensively to fix it.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Like you can't fix tackling, you can't.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You need better players, You need better We knew that, right,
we know that.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
We knew that like.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
You need Unless your owner and GM decide that he's
going to go out and acquire better players, you don't
have the players on this roster to go out there
and make this better. And I know people are going
to say, but we as and Jerry says it sometimes too.
We got some players on the come. We got savone
revel coming, and we have you know, overshown coming. No,
(11:45):
you don't like even when they come back. You got
to understand these men haven't played football in almost a
calendar year. You don't.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
You don't find yourself on the shelf for that loan
and then come back in to the game and picked
up where you left off. That's not how this works.
You hadn't heard Jadavian Cloudie say last night when acted
about how he played in the game. They don't look
at my I'm sorry, but ja last night he said,
(12:18):
I'm still knocking off the rust, right, And that's a
guy who hasn't been injured, but hasn't played football since
he got released from the Panthers. So we are we
are right now defensively, yes we are, Sam Borne, Sorry, buddy,
we gotta get you off the field, dimone Clark. Listen,
(12:40):
guy by guy, you don't have a sponsor. You haven't
had a sponsor since Dad Quinn was here. You fell
into the dog house with Zim. You fell under the
dog house and for somehow, some way, you don't have
a sponsor. With these new coaches, they brought they guys
in Kenneth Murray and Samborne, and they like Harris. I'm sorry, buddy,
(13:02):
because you're they took a jersey away. You weren't active,
not because you did something wrong, but they wanted to
see something. No, they wanted to see their drive picking
Shamar James and Shamar James. He may have a promising future,
but defensively this is this is a bad defensive football team.
And I don't see how you fix it. This isn't
(13:26):
This is not only a scheme in communication issue. It's
a player issue. This is a Jimmy and Joe issue.
It's a Jimmy and Joe issue. And you got you know,
Jenny Clark is playing as best he can and Os
is playing some good football, but overall you have a
Jimmy's and Joe's issue. And the only way you fixed
that a schememate fixing that. You gotta get better football
players in here. And I don't know if I don't
(13:47):
know if they were gonna be willing to do that
with those picks with the trade deadline coming up.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
You know what last night is Out solidified for me
was that.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
It's gonna be a long sea and it's gonna be
It's gonna be fun because they're gonna they're gonna, like
like Jesse said coming into the season, they're gonna sling
it around. You're gonna have to score thirty thirty five
forty points to win games.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
With twenty twenty five Cincinnati Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And you and you know what, you're gonna be right
there at the end. You're gonna be competitive in most games.
You're gonna get blown out in some games. You're gonna
be right on, right on the edge of making the playoffs.
You're gonna get sucked in all the way to the end,
and then and then you're gonna go it. Yeah, you're welcome,
(14:38):
and then you're gonna come up short right in town
for the playoffs. But like, after three games, I was like,
this is gonna be awful. We're not gonna have anything
to talk about on the show. This defense. They at
least showed spots last night where they can stop at
on the first and second down so you just can't
get off your shield.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Just there was hope, there was both this.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, this is what got it, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Chicago, See this is what this is what people have
to kind of look at certain that this is all
we have to hold on because there, yes, there will.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Let's tell you what, man, Let's go to a break
right here, because man, we're gonna, we gonna we're gonna
all be debating this.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
We're gonna okay because the ain't nobody backing down.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Let's go fee, Frank, no, good, good, Frank, All right, Frank,
thank you.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
It will.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I will when we come back on hanging up with
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I will.
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Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yeah, Frank, That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
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went to the game last night.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Got to see the return of Michael Parsons. So you said,
you're you drive limos?
Speaker 7 (18:22):
How long you've been doing that? Twenty years?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
That's time.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
That's you don't sound like you're from Mesquite or.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Arlington, Chicago.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah I knew, I see north What Yeah? How long?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
How long have you been here since ninety driving limos?
Any any stories you can tell on the air?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So? Uh so? What my for your family?
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Polish and Italian?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
What you're running from from? Got a lamoy round Chicago?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Big football town even though you live in Arlington. Gotta
Bears fan, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Got a little brother with Bear of Seasons.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Really nice. Make it up the mini games?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Some good money for the cowboy tickets.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Oh I bet say seven to fifty a pieces. Hey,
when the Cowboys come to town, you can, you can almost.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Only the police want keep that under your hat? Bright?
What do you call it? Yacht?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, so you got to the game first time in
the stadium. Did you do anything outside the stadium or
just going.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Hung out with some friends before and after tail gating
to watch the end of it?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
See it was fun.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Who'd you take the game with you?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Another driver?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Okay, friend of yours? Yeah, very nice?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You get it?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Did you go on a limo? I was gonna say
the same.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
We don't roll like that. Oh no, no, maybe next time.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
All right, well, we'll get back to you here in
a few minutes.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
We got to what were we what were we debating
on with the defense. We all had a kind of
different opinions on the defense.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I get it, they're terrible, They're gonna be terrible. There
were To me, there was a good, terrible good good.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
There a small step for.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
And see like I was, I thought had good and
terrible giving up on him. Yeah, the linebacker play was bad,
but there were flashes to where they were like, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We like this is gonna be front end was flash?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Did y'all just did y'all not the linebackers.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
The linebackers the lineback not Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
What I'm saying is the first three games, I felt
like they.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
No play was that was the secondary, not one play
that was the secondary.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We was killing and I.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
But now I have hope because you had the secondary.
Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 8 (20:45):
The linebackers half our defense played man.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Shortan Love played the best He's never had a better
half quarter and its like is a fourth quarter, first quarter?
So they came am out the gate. Jordan Love, I'm
ever played.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
They gave up three hundred. I get it.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I looked at the stat sheet. I'm just telling you.
The first three games, I was like, I like, I room.
I just saw m make a couple of plays. I
hadn't seen him make a couple of plays in three games.
I saw some stops. I saw some hope not sec
they didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
They didn't. Did you know they did not stop them?
In the time about the first.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
What this is why I don't talk about now you
keep fighting, keep fighting.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
Yet two two?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So defense, what they scored?
Speaker 10 (21:45):
They put up points every position, second half, in over time.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Okay, Kurt, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
The two non football guys thought there was some hope
in this.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
I thought there were more flashes of pressure and such
in second there was better than in Chicago. Now they're
still bad.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
They're still bad.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
But I thought they.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Got historically and knocked him up. They got pressure put
and knocked him off his spot. Yeah, I agree with
That's that's what I'm saying. But they were ten out
of fourteen.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
You had a different You had different problems last night
than you had the first the last game.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
I guess, what's the difference between the injured player and
the player that can't play. There's none. So you can
pick the highlights and you can pick the low lights.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But the bottom line is and and the thing about
it in.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Caseopp because I came to the conclusion is like he said,
a little harder than I did. But you cannot have
this happen weekend and week. But it's going to find
it a new way to You can't your linebackers cannot play.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Well y'all said that after the first week.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But broh, last night, man, it was evident.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I mean, you had chances to knock people to get
them off the field.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
If we would have.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Just went seven out of fourteen, we may be looking
at a different game.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
I ain't want them to beople saying, but you could
have been looking at a different game and making them
run to catch us. It was always us running to
catch them, you know, because they took the lead at
the beginning of the game. I just said in the
first quarter, but then they made some plays in the
second quarter that got the Cowboys back in the game,
and then at thirteen to two, Rappers but I bought,
(23:40):
you know, screwed it down, my boy, bell.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's a shame, man, when you look up.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
And see a quarterback and a new receiver finding connections
that they did.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And Jalen Tobert, well.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Let me let me, let me, let me be a man,
you know, let me be a man, because I'm for it.
I'm forty one, man, Hey, I'm forty one. Let me
be a man for this.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Game, Jaylen Tober, give me his flowers, no.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
For this game. George Pickens look like number one wide receiver.
George Pikets stepped up when he was needed the most.
Now that's what we need from George Pickens from until
we can see the back have a shot, to have
a shot. But George Pickens and I never said that
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George Pickens wasn't a good football player. I consistently said,
George Pickens is a really, really good football player. I
just don't believe he's a number one receiver on the
level of Ceedee Lamb. Even in the plays that he
made were in the same fourth routes that he normally runs. Right,
he ran, he ran the go route, the post route,
(24:54):
a hitch and something else. He made a play. So
George Pickens for this game was the number one receiver
that the Cowboys needed. Now, don't go, don't go lay
egg in New York City.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
How many that was what he had to put together
this year for you to be like, Okay, he's one, A,
one B.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You gotta finish out this CD comes back like so.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
If he can do it three or four games in
a row, then you you would change.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And it didn't have to be three touchdowns on hundreds.
But you gotta you have to play. You have to
have to you have to make the plays when it's
time for you to make the plays. Yeah, for sure, absolutely,
But I can sit here and say I'm a man,
I'm forty one, George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Good, all right, the whole.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Group did pretty good.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Of course, you had Dak in a great game.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So yeah, you know, can we do this?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't want to talk about this defense anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, you just wanna go up.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
This is bad.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
If it is bad, I don't want talk about him.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
An, let's go to break and then let's we'll just
spend the whole last twenty minutes.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
On them because it's some defense players. I don't even
want to mention it now.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I don't talk about to do this. Let's talk about
to go that.
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Speaker 7 (29:56):
I was striving. I don't you know. I didn't do that,
didn't take I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get to know.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I thought about it, but I thought.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
About, oh yeah, well that was fine there but not inside.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
He's like they were a lot cheaper outside eighty bucks
a pop.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
It's like they're gonna sell my money.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That's a massive mant of my own heart right there,
frivolous get we'll get a company back the money. We
don't get a company back the money.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
That's as a as a as a Bears fan watching
this Cowboys team, you have to be.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
We all know what we're not talking indicated.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, but what do you think about dak because
we we always look at it internally and we all
like Dak and you know Dax, but externally he outside
of Dallas, he doesn't really we don't feel like he
gets the credit that he probably doesn't.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
I mean, he's just everything that's politically correct, and he
can't win the big game.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
That's that's my impression.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Okay, damn.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It all up in the nutshet there you go, all right, Jesse,
speaking of dak.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
Ken, I asked a question. Maybe this will lead into
that's whatever you want. It really feels like, you, guys,
this was a loss, but they took a team that's
supposed to be one of the better ones victory currency
normally it's not I'm not saying normally I'm lost. I'm
not saying I'm not saying it's a moral victory, but
I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I don't do that on this show.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, it's not a moral victory.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
They tied him, they didn't lose.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
They didn't win either.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
We all thought they get blown out by double digits. Yes,
so why doesn't that carry anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because you didn't win. Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Did we want to see you compete? Yes, great phenomenal,
But what was still glaring within that was your defense
is still absolutely horrible and you're still not good enough
that when your best is required, you do stupid stuff
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when your best is required. And this is what Nate has.
We need to We need to have Nate copyright this. Yes,
when he says, what can you do when the competition
is equal to or greater than you? Can you do?
You have enough to get yourself over the hump? And
consistently we watched this team, not this particular team, but
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these teams as a whole, but this team in particular
this year, face a team that is equal to or
greater than them, and when it came time for you
to make the deciding play, you come up short. It
is a consistent theme that we've seen this movie, Like
you didn't tell me you didn't watch that game last night,
(32:46):
and maybe it was just me. You watched that game
last night, you was like, here comes. You didn't know
what it was, but you were like.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
I was watching the game. I was like, we're losing.
I've seen this here many times. We're losing the game.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Like even when Jordan take a scored and I was like, oh.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's too much time.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Much time?
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Yeah, I said that three seconds.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Green Bay has notorially, notoriously done that.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
They still haven't lost in this building.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, And I thought, let me just talk, let me
just talk about that, let me do that.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
They they were getting on the bus last night, you know,
you know, I was at the game. So I'm walking
up the tonnel and all these guys walking.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Past me, our team.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Oh, I'm talking about Packers, And they had this long
distance look like.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I can't believe we lost. You could just see it
in their eyes.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
It was like a loss.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
You know, that's the difference, Kurt Right. One team saw
tied and felt like it was a lost. The other
team and maybe just a family because I'm gonna talk
with the team, but the family look at that and
go it feels like a win.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
To me, it looks we done lost the game and
tied the game, and everybody thinking like, man, we're on
our way.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I've never seen it, Like, how do you lose a game? Philadelphia? Oh,
we on our way? Tie game.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I guess it ain't us. I guess it's who we
played to.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Decide on how we should feel.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
No, to me, this feels.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Like a loss because, like Jesse said, it showed the
greatness of our offense and the diversatility of our play
caller to get guys in the right position. But it
also showed that it took a defensive coordinator to do
everything in his.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Is playable to try to hold you into a.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Game and you can't tackle and you're still making stupid plays.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Let me you said on Friday that Shody was gonna
have to call he was gonna have to win one
of Do you think he called a great game?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I thought shot he called a phenomenon game.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
But come on, let me let me finish though, I'm
on which I'm which go ahead on?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think Shotty called a phenomenal game. I always come
in here and I say a court a head coach
should get you at least one and a half victories
a year.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
You said he needed that one on and maybe not.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The half right was the half, But I thought, shoty,
I thought he called a perfect game. Dak Prescott got
rid of the ball in two point five seconds on average,
which he had you And to the casual people out
there who don't know what they're watching when they turn
on the tape, go watch. Michaeh was whooping your offensive lineman.
(35:33):
You better thank your lucky start. And Mike I said
after the game, he said, boy, you was He told
that you go watch, go watch. If it had not
been for the goodness of Dak Prescott and his ability
to move just the tad bit to the left.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
The right, that pocket presence it was.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean, go watch the tape.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Watch the tape, and that is the half that you're
talking about with coach Seattenhammer.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
That that the half game he hit.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
This kid had to be eighty percent of the time
in the first half. Parsons had to feel tight end
a wide receiver, a running back a lot of times
in that first half to win it. They beat him down.
That they beat him down, and he's still for I'm
(36:28):
gonna give him his dude, still in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He was fighting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Go watch the tape.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
See because the first guy was not doing the job.
He second guys he is.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
And I'm talking about milliseconds away, like as he's doing
one of them, Dak's releasing the ball like it is.
I mean, it is incredible trying. It was incredible how
good Dak was in the pocket in freaking incredible. I
thought Shoddy called a masterful game. And then he let
(37:03):
him off the hook, which part I thought, he I thought,
And I'm not let me be very clear when I
say this, I'm not calling the man, the person, coach Shottenheimer,
a coward. I thought in overtime, you go for it,
you go for it. I thought, on that fourth down,
you go for it. Nobody gave you. You said at
(37:25):
the end of the game, you said, there isn't a
quarterback in the National Football League that's playing better ball
in dark Prescott. This is the moment where you let
him hang. This is the moment where you drop your
kahunas on the table and you say, I'm giving you
the ball for I'm giving you the ball fourth down.
(37:45):
If we lose. I go to the podium and I
say I believe in Dak Prescott so much, and whoever
asked the question, coach, why did you go for it?
There isn't a better There isn't a quarterback in the
National Football League that's paying better ball than him right now.
If it wasn't for Dak Prescot, we would not be
in this football game. He was wheeling and dealing all
game long. I wanted to give him an opportunity to
(38:05):
let him know that I believed so much in him
and this football team that we went for. Nobody gave
us a chance. I would have pointed that every reporter
in there said, none of y'all in here gave us
a chance to win this game. None of the reporters
or none of the big networks gave us a chance
to win this game. And here we were at home.
This is the fining moment for me and for this
football team. We're at home, the crowds behind our back,
(38:28):
a team that nobody said that we could beat. I'm
giving the ball to number four, and guess what if
the opportunity comes again, I'm doing the same damn thing.
I'm giving it to four, and I'm saying, go do
what you've done for us all day long, go win.
It's the football game. You kick the field goal. There,
I thought, I thought, I thought you got tight. I
thought it got tight for you. I think in that
(38:50):
moment right there, and you let your you let your
squad know, because don't talk a good game. And then
in that moment, because also you've been on the sideline
the whole game, right you had a front row seat
or what was happening. Your defense didn't stop a damn
thing all day. So the kick a field goal and go,
my defense is gonna make a play. When they scored
(39:11):
on every single possession that they had in the second half,
you sat there and watched it front front line. That's
why I'm like, in this moment, and maybe maybe he
may sleep on it, come back today and say, you
know what, I probably should have let the ball hang out.
But that's the moment right there. You want to talk
about a defining moment, you give that and you go
with score either honestly, however it happens. If you go
(39:32):
and you don't happen. I can look those men in
the face and go, I put it on y'all hands.
I put it in your hands, that Prescott. I believed
in you so much, George, whatever my best play is
and I'm going to the best player. I'm calling the
best player I got putting the ball in his hands.
And if you win it, you going you a bad
deeply bleap bleep leeper and I can carry you, Dan Campbell,
(39:55):
that carries.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You know, and I love it, Jess, But you knowing, h.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Scared money don't make money. They scared money don't make
money right now as a as a as a head coach,
with everything that was going wrong with you in your
in your organization, I'm.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
With you because he hasn't he hasn't practiced, he has
a practice.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
What he hasn't it has been.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Games where and I'm I'm using Detroit as an example.
This coach Dan Campbell didn't some of the coaches wait
for that moment. And coach missed this moment last night.
But from this point on, practice that in the game
it's fourth and whatever, go for it. Let your team
(40:46):
know that I'm always gonna put it in your hands.
I'm always believing number four. I know what's going on
over there. He missed the moment. I'm I'm I'm with you.
But from this point on, you're gonna he goes go.
He's gonna have to, because the way to get over
the big moments is not fear anything all fear and
(41:07):
once your team know like hey man, this is a
critical point, now become something that you embrace. Coach Shatty,
I mean he's talking it, but you can't. You got
embrace that, got embrace it.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I thought he called. I thought his game plan for
this game was he he he protected Dak, He made
Micah have to run the hoop. He hit him every
chance that he got. He got the ball out extremely quick.
They ran the football. All the thing that we said
that they had to do in that game to have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He did it.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
And then in the moment, in that moment that that
defies champions. To me, that that separates you from being
another just another coach, and you going out there saying,
now that's how you coach.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Remember remember in the Bad Boy movie when they were there,
it was like bad Boys too, And they're chasing the dude.
He's in there in that Porsche and and Will is
shot and Martin is driving, and Martin not the one,
and they driving me. And it's that little it's that
little narrow way that they make it through and and
and Martin is like, this is a faster car. This
is a faster car. And then he bumped the dude
(42:11):
and he goes through, and he goes That's how you
drive it from now on. That's how you that's the moment.
That's the moment for Shoddy.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Where you go.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
From now one. That's how we drive. That's how we
finish games. That's how we make statements. That's the type
of stuff. This tie doesn't carry you anywhere. You don't
leave that game with feeling a sense of accomplishment. Accomplishment
you go out there on fourth down at home. It's
a team that nobody said you can beat.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Do you think Dak goes to him after the after
that game and goes, coach, should have given it to.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
Me if that is one of the reasons he's here,
so I know Dak can give.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
It to me next time. Coach, you gotta let me
we get that situation again.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Give it to me like that.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Gotta be real, Like, man, listen, you know that different
one want stop nobody coach on now, let me go
out there.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
We had some moments like that with Jimmy, like what
Jesse is talking about and when he didn't feel good
about us early early, like.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Now, he didn't do a lot of those things.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
But once his players got better, they started doing that.
Unlike Dan Camba. Dann Camra started from day one. Man,
we're gonna start embracing this. I'm we're gonna start and
so I feel what you're saying. But I'm torn between
two coaches and saying, okay, is he feeling like even
though his offense is all that and even you know
(43:37):
you can it's easy.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
For you to sit in that chair.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
You know it's easy for me to sit over here
and debate you. But think about that time.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
About this team, that coach, that quarterback, you give it
to him on fourth down and they gonna win that football.
Speaker 8 (43:55):
I'm with you, but it ain't riding like that now.
It's just ain't Jesse you that you had everybody excited.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
But like a time, I felt like when the game
was over, I felt empty. I felt like the game started,
I was like, okay, so.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I was like wasted for yeah a half hours, but noah,
but see what are those players thinking?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I sure we shot to talk to some of these players,
you know, to say, hey, man, how you feel? How
you feel because some of these guys could be thinking, man,
we did okay, because I heard a few players talk
about when they lost to Philadelphia, we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We told you that, you know.
Speaker 8 (44:40):
So he's trying to change this, and what you said
would have went to a bit that they if they
just do that thing today, if.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
That changes everything, your whole demeanor changes about how you
look at this football team.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Kurt, where you sit on this.
Speaker 10 (44:56):
Well, yeah, I mean that's I wish they had done that.
Hearing you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's what I'm saying. But last night he one thinking
that way. But Jesse.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Bro you had me sitting there like, now, we wish
we could do this over. But I'm thinking, like what
was coach thinking? What was he thinking like that? Like
to me, like you're talking about Dan Campbell. Like Dan Campbell,
remember when that Detroit Ben Johnson's.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Doing it now he's.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Doing in Chicago. Remember when Detroy played US, Detroit could
have kicked the extra points in the game in overtime.
Remember that the Campbell said, Nah, we're on the road,
we didn't play as well.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We're in a battle. We're going for too, and we
got it and got a flat and they said we
were going for two again. But see he he never
he never not thought like well, that's in his DNA.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And players are like you like all right, because.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
My question is that's who he is. That's who he
was as a player, that's who he is as a
person and now is.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And that's what Ben Jones is.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
Shottenheimer, that guy Jesse to do that?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Come on, now, talk to I.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Don't know what would Marty do?
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
How would you?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
I don't know, but I'm just saying, like I'm going
by when you hear him, like he comes off as
this authentic I believe in.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
My crew, like holo, Jesse, do you believe in Shottenheimer?
Speaker 7 (46:26):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I would have believed if you went for it. And
the reason bigause I'm like, because I can get behind.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
That even if you lose.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Even if you lose, because that's telling me that you
depend on I've been in the arena and I'm not
I'm not doing like you, but I've been in the
arena and when the coach looks at you and they go,
so let me ask you this, you got it.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
We gotta we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
But real quick, do you think the players as a
as a player, if he would have gone for work
and you would have lost instead of not going for
it as a player, would you have felt better.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yep, because I said he believed in me. Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Where you been, like coach. So that's what that's what
you're saying, that we we forgot the man.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But you're going forward.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
You rolled Italian went.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
For it. But but that's where Yeah, that's what you're saying.
That's where you start building cultures you want.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
You want to buy in. Yeah, we lost, but he
stands in front of those men and he goes, fellas,
I believe in you that much, and and they should
feel bad like damn, we let him down. And that's
how you go and get them to go to the
next because I don't think this time makes them.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Run through the wall.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah, I think you're going for it with they're like, damn, bro,
he really believed in us. And you you look, you
in front of those men, you say, Dak Prescott, the
reason I went for it on fourth down because you
the baddest mofo in the NFL right now, and I
believe in you. Guys look around like damn hell of
a locker room speak yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
And like that, continue to go to tober even though
we like last night Tobert came up big for him.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
That resonates man like that resonates in the guys that
are in the arena.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Yeah, I'm not trying to not what you're saying, but
I'm trying to go into his head.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I do what he's thinking.
Speaker 8 (48:27):
Is this locker room strong and built like That's what
I'm trying to say, is coach shottenhammer locker room strong
and built like that.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
But that's the muscle that you put. That's the muscle
that you infuse, that's the conteen, that's the.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
That's how you build it.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
That's how you build the muscle. It's going through these
moments like this and him and you know what I'm
saying like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
What it feels like that I.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Trust you enough whatever happens. I'm I'm like, load left.
Speaker 6 (48:55):
You don't want to let them down because they left.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, you go back and say it again, it won't
happen this.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Time next game. The first time we went down and
builds and what That's.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
How you get dudes to That's how you get dudes
to run through a wall for you. Ah my hamstring hurt.
Now I'm going I'm going out the coach. I got
you what you need my shoulder, what you need, coach, Hey,
I need this one. I'm just we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
But I'm just saying good stuff, Jesse, real good stuff, Frank,
anything to say on half a wing Stop.
Speaker 9 (49:29):
I'm just happy to be here, happy to have swing
stuff today. So I'm gonna keep eating there every day.
Speaker 7 (49:34):
I can't go right.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Hey, ladies, Frank got a nice gift card, Frank, Frank,
Frank got the cloading Wingstop car and limo. The partition goes.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
Up, Frank will hook you up if you don't live
in the trailer park, because you won't make it out
with that gift card. Jesse. Really good stuff today, man,
they good stuff.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Thank you for yeah, Frank, thank you, thank you wing
Stop for the food company.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I don't we play the carry cry carry limo c
A are you.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Why and ask for Frank. He'll drop you off. He
knows how to get in the stadium now.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
And he signs NDAs.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
What happens in the limo stations in the limo.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
Or outside of the limo or on top of the
limo under the limo.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Just don't get on the seat.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air. Josh, thanks
for keeping him company and wing Stop.
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Speaker 4 (00:29):
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Speaker 5 (00:31):
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Speaker 6 (00:46):
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Speaker 5 (00:49):
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Center at the Star Frisco, Texas above Tostitos Championship Plaza,
where it is eighty three degrees, the highest eighty four,
the low is sixty six.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
See he is Nate, This is Kurt Twupunks Daniel, this
is Shannon Gross in the back is keeping us live
and local. We have a special guest in the house.
Speaker 7 (01:13):
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Brought to you each and every show by Wingstop. Frank,
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Speaker 6 (01:31):
There you go, here we go.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Shout out to Wingstop for not only delivering Frank to
the show today, they delivered these delicious wingss that we're eating.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Oh so good. Nate, you gonna, you're gonna, You're gonna
hang in there.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
And Nate that late night, he was out at the
stadium all night with the pre game and post game,
the game that just kept on going and going and
going and going.
Speaker 8 (01:59):
And proving then proving that we are so right on
this show that if we don't score forward it, we
won't have a chance.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Sometimes we don't get.
Speaker 8 (02:11):
Wow, you know, and I was excited, you know, for
this team as a whole, and I and I'm jumping
the gun. I jump on in. No, no, no, no,
let's talk about Frank.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
All right, we'll get we'll get Frank a couple of moms.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Sorry, sir, I messed that up. Okay, we just could
really dig in on them.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We'll give we'll give Jesse.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
So Frank one our our Wingstop contest that we were
promoting on the show the last couple of months. I
think in July August, your buddy actually want it, right,
And then it was you, Okay, I don't think you
were gonna make it.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
I thought You're gonna have to donate it.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
Okay, all right, Well, Wingstop gave you a nice little
wingstop jersey. There you go, wingstop. I was giving him
some crap in the back. I said, we've been doing
this for eight years and we never got a wing
stop jersey. Thanks for two minutes, and it has a
wingstop jersey.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
But yeah, what do you think? Mand? Did you go
to the game last night?
Speaker 7 (03:13):
I did?
Speaker 6 (03:14):
Speak a little bit closer I did.
Speaker 7 (03:15):
It was out of sight.
Speaker 6 (03:16):
Yeah, how was the environment electric?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Have you been to a Cowboys game before?
Speaker 9 (03:22):
Normally on the outside just striving people there. Yeah, I'm
a limousine right.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Nice.
Speaker 6 (03:27):
So you got to go in and watch the game
first time? First time for a game in the stadium.
That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Man.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Well, congratulations. What do you think about the wings? What
flavor did you get over there?
Speaker 9 (03:36):
I got the low the low heat. I guess it's barbecue.
Speaker 6 (03:40):
Okay, barbecues good. That's like our defense. Yeah, barbecuebe just right. Well,
welcome to the show man.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
We're gonna get you involved here in a little bit.
We'll get these guys thoughts on the game, and then
let you eat a couple of wings, and then we'll
come back around.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Here's your copy points, man, who's your copy points?
Speaker 7 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (04:00):
No, we're not reading. No, no, no, we'll do it throughout
the show. Wing Stop is here. That's all I had
to say.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And yeah, it's actually good.
Speaker 6 (04:09):
Was really good. Jesse got the news so he like.
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Read, yeah, you're going question, We'll start with you, Nate,
you were there, What was the vibe like?
Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's it was jumping, and I mean packed house.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
Your boy Michael was out there on the plaza getting
everybody fired up.
Speaker 6 (04:29):
From the middle of light.
Speaker 8 (04:31):
He couldn't make a move without him boring him. So,
I mean, at least, you know, at least we had.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
That part right, Mike, Mike, the real Michael Michael eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Come on, man, I don't been through that. You about it.
I thought you were talking about parts of that.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
So he got booed.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Huh you couldn't really hear it on te No no,
and see, uh, man, I'm tired. So if I wonder
off more than I normally, that just that.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Just amazes me how he can just so he's he's
he's mowing him now for real, he is mowing him.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, they're gonna come a point time on this show.
We'all gonna go, Okay, Jesse talk, I'm gonna talk for
six minutes, which I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
You know what that looks like Golden did on that
pump return, just murdered, just mur those wings.
Speaker 7 (05:17):
Man.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I thought I thought marriage killed that boy.
Speaker 8 (05:21):
You no, no, But I'm talking about the Michael Partson,
not my Irving, but Micah.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I mean every movie made, whether he.
Speaker 8 (05:28):
Was stretching coming out of the tunnel, I mean, they
they they let him have it. But and I was
excited after the game. You know, we saw some things.
Defense made some plays in the first half. Then it
seemed like as the game went on and it just
(05:48):
it dawned on me that.
Speaker 6 (05:51):
They can't tackle.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
Mm hm.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
When you look at the third downs, I think it
was over eighty percent up there.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
It was up there.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I mean that is why we lost the game.
Speaker 8 (06:07):
The penalties, yes, but when you can't get off the
field on third down, a third down normally don't play
a whole lot in today's NFL, you know, because with
big play after big play, but they just great on
first down, great on second down, Hey, come third down,
and after about the fourth or fifth straight, it's.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
Like, but is that something like as bad as the
defense played, the secondary and the non tackling, and then the.
Speaker 8 (06:35):
Line it went the line back the linebackers. But is
this something they can build on?
Speaker 5 (06:41):
Like you you you had bright spots as to where
the games before it was just like.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Shine of smoke, shina. Do they tackling pee wee football?
Sometimes they tackling in high school?
Speaker 8 (06:52):
Okay, this this is that's that's unacceptable for me, because
I thought, once you have a chance to sit down
and think about the game. Jesse and I went along
and everybody went along. We gotta score thirty five points,
we gotta score twenty nine points. We gotta score this.
Hey man, it comes a point in your defense, well
(07:19):
one or two times, maybe once in the first half,
a couple of times in the second half, you're gonna
have to make a defensive play and get off the
field so we can get We leading by three right
when we scored, it was about three, and when they
scored it was about four. So at some point in
time in the second half we had to double up.
(07:41):
We had to score, get them off the field in
the right position, and we scored again to get that.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Full point going our way. We never did it. Did
we look at the third downs here?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Did we get that curse.
Speaker 10 (07:58):
Seven on red zone seventy one.
Speaker 8 (08:01):
Bruh, it don't matter when you go up up above fifty,
when you go up above that, that that you.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Don't that's a dreaded thing, I'm telling you.
Speaker 8 (08:12):
Coach Eva Flew saying himself, we halfway got the coverage,
is right. Our d line halfway got after these guys
moved it, moved a quarterback off the spot, and then
our linebackers again caught an open field taking taking specially
(08:33):
team shots.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
You know how when you're going down on the on
the punter and.
Speaker 8 (08:36):
All of a sudden, you you you about to get there,
you just take a shot, you know, just to kind
of make it move. That we did not tackle, and
that cost us the game that was on Perkins was
on Juggernaut. Javonte was running through folks. The old line
(08:57):
was doing what they had to do. They wore down
Parsons and him a non factor. And all we had
to do out of thirteen third downs was make them
fifty percent or less by tackling and getting off the field,
giving Dak a double shot at some point in the
game to take the league convincingly, and we did not
(09:20):
do that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So you know what, I felt last night. I'm glad.
Speaker 8 (09:25):
I hope you all people didn't weren't listening to me,
because that's what's all wrong. You know, people said, we
didn't lose, we didn't win, Da da da da. No,
we had to play a lot of players, people played
two tackles.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Secondary.
Speaker 8 (09:39):
Just this is what this is telling me, is coaches,
the coaches, now that we've learned our players, we finished
oart implementing this thing.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
And when you implement.
Speaker 8 (09:52):
Three different offensive linemen, four or five safetists, four linebackers,
what does that tell you that you're not you cannot
build no continuity. And that's for you get what you
got last night that should not be happening.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Fellas Kurt, what we're.
Speaker 6 (10:10):
Trying to say three times.
Speaker 10 (10:12):
Due were there eighteen miss tackles. That's just you can't.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Yeah. The one that took out to me was like,
so glaring is where they dumped it down to the
running back. Green Bay dumped it down to the running
back and you had the dB and you had the
lineback I think was mass Leah foul converging and he
split them. Yeah, and even on the on the on
the on the TV copy, they go, well you just
(10:36):
can't do that, like you know, gosh, gett a tackle
like that, like it was like you tackled now, I
thought you was gonna tackle. I thought you was gonna tackle,
and no one tackled him and took to Neck's point,
you know it was you know, tackling definitely was was
bad last night. But this defense was about to say.
Speaker 6 (10:56):
I was gonna say, is that optimism about to come out?
Speaker 4 (10:58):
No, because defensively, there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
It's in the bad, you know, too dangerous for me
up here.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
There's nothing you can do defensively to fix it.
Speaker 10 (11:13):
Like you can't fix tackling, you can't.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
You need better players, You need better We knew that, right,
we know that.
Speaker 6 (11:21):
We knew that like.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
You need Unless your owner and GM decide that he's
going to go out and acquire better players, you don't
have the players on this roster to go out there
and make this better. And I know people are going
to say, but we as and Jerry says it sometimes too.
We got some players on the come. We got savone
revel coming, and we have you know, overshown coming. No,
(11:45):
you don't like even when they come back. You got
to understand these men haven't played football in almost a
calendar year. You don't.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
You don't.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
You don't find yourself on the shelf for that loan
and then come back in to the game and picked
up where you left off. That's not how this works.
You hadn't heard Jadavian Cloudie say last night when acted
about how he played in the game. They don't look
at my I'm sorry, but ja last night he said,
(12:18):
I'm still knocking off the rust, right, And that's a
guy who hasn't been injured, but hasn't played football since
he got released from the Panthers. So we are we
are right now defensively, yes we are, Sam Borne, Sorry, buddy,
we gotta get you off the field, dimone Clark. Listen,
(12:40):
guy by guy, you don't have a sponsor. You haven't
had a sponsor since Dad Quinn was here. You fell
into the dog house with Zim. You fell under the
dog house and for somehow, some way, you don't have
a sponsor. With these new coaches, they brought they guys
in Kenneth Murray and Samborne, and they like Harris. I'm sorry, buddy,
(13:02):
because you're they took a jersey away. You weren't active,
not because you did something wrong, but they wanted to
see something. No, they wanted to see their drive picking
Shamar James and Shamar James. He may have a promising future,
but defensively this is this is a bad defensive football team.
And I don't see how you fix it. This isn't
(13:26):
This is not only a scheme in communication issue. It's
a player issue. This is a Jimmy and Joe issue.
It's a Jimmy and Joe issue. And you got you know,
Jenny Clark is playing as best he can and Os
is playing some good football, but overall you have a
Jimmy's and Joe's issue. And the only way you fixed
that a schememate fixing that. You gotta get better football
players in here. And I don't know if I don't
(13:47):
know if they were gonna be willing to do that
with those picks with the trade deadline coming up.
Speaker 6 (13:52):
You know what last night is Out solidified for me
was that.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
It's gonna be a long sea and it's gonna be
It's gonna be fun because they're gonna they're gonna, like
like Jesse said coming into the season, they're gonna sling
it around. You're gonna have to score thirty thirty five
forty points to win games.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
With twenty twenty five Cincinnati Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
And you and you know what, you're gonna be right
there at the end. You're gonna be competitive in most games.
You're gonna get blown out in some games. You're gonna
be right on, right on the edge of making the playoffs.
You're gonna get sucked in all the way to the end,
and then and then you're gonna go it. Yeah, you're welcome,
(14:38):
and then you're gonna come up short right in town
for the playoffs. But like, after three games, I was like,
this is gonna be awful. We're not gonna have anything
to talk about on the show. This defense. They at
least showed spots last night where they can stop at
on the first and second down so you just can't
get off your shield.
Speaker 6 (14:58):
Just there was hope, there was both this.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, this is what got it, okay.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Chicago, See this is what this is what people have
to kind of look at certain that this is all
we have to hold on because there, yes, there will.
Speaker 8 (15:11):
Let's tell you what, man, Let's go to a break
right here, because man, we're gonna, we gonna we're gonna
all be debating this.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
We're gonna okay because the ain't nobody backing down.
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Let's go fee, Frank, no, good, good, Frank, All right, Frank,
thank you.
Speaker 7 (15:22):
It will.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
I will when we come back on hanging up with
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I will.
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Speaker 6 (18:11):
Yeah, Frank, That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Frank, courtesy a Wingstop entered a contest and one Frank
went to the game last night.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Got to see the return of Michael Parsons. So you said,
you're you drive limos?
Speaker 7 (18:22):
How long you've been doing that? Twenty years?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (18:26):
That's time.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
That's you don't sound like you're from Mesquite or.
Speaker 7 (18:29):
Arlington, Chicago.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah I knew, I see north What Yeah? How long?
Speaker 5 (18:35):
How long have you been here since ninety driving limos?
Any any stories you can tell on the air?
Speaker 1 (18:41):
So? Uh so? What my for your family?
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Polish and Italian?
Speaker 6 (18:48):
What you're running from from? Got a lamoy round Chicago?
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Big football town even though you live in Arlington. Gotta
Bears fan, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:01):
Got a little brother with Bear of Seasons.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
Really nice. Make it up the mini games?
Speaker 7 (19:06):
Some good money for the cowboy tickets.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Oh I bet say seven to fifty a pieces. Hey,
when the Cowboys come to town, you can, you can almost.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Only the police want keep that under your hat? Bright?
What do you call it? Yacht?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Well, so you got to the game first time in
the stadium. Did you do anything outside the stadium or
just going.
Speaker 9 (19:26):
Hung out with some friends before and after tail gating
to watch the end of it?
Speaker 7 (19:30):
See it was fun.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Who'd you take the game with you?
Speaker 7 (19:33):
Another driver?
Speaker 6 (19:34):
Okay, friend of yours? Yeah, very nice?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
You get it?
Speaker 4 (19:37):
Did you go on a limo? I was gonna say
the same.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
We don't roll like that. Oh no, no, maybe next time.
Speaker 5 (19:47):
All right, well, we'll get back to you here in
a few minutes.
Speaker 8 (19:50):
We got to what were we what were we debating
on with the defense. We all had a kind of
different opinions on the defense.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
I get it, they're terrible, They're gonna be terrible. There
were To me, there was a good, terrible good good.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
There a small step for.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
And see like I was, I thought had good and
terrible giving up on him. Yeah, the linebacker play was bad,
but there were flashes to where they were like, okay.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
We like this is gonna be front end was flash?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Did y'all just did y'all not the linebackers.
Speaker 8 (20:23):
The linebackers the lineback not Listen.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
What I'm saying is the first three games, I felt
like they.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
No play was that was the secondary, not one play
that was the secondary.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
We was killing and I.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
But now I have hope because you had the secondary.
Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 8 (20:45):
The linebackers half our defense played man.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Shortan Love played the best He's never had a better
half quarter and its like is a fourth quarter, first quarter?
So they came am out the gate. Jordan Love, I'm
ever played.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
They gave up three hundred. I get it.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
I looked at the stat sheet. I'm just telling you.
The first three games, I was like, I like, I room.
I just saw m make a couple of plays. I
hadn't seen him make a couple of plays in three games.
I saw some stops. I saw some hope not sec
they didn't.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
They didn't. Did you know they did not stop them?
In the time about the first.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
What this is why I don't talk about now you
keep fighting, keep fighting.
Speaker 10 (21:39):
Yet two two?
Speaker 1 (21:43):
So defense, what they scored?
Speaker 10 (21:45):
They put up points every position, second half, in over time.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
Okay, Kurt, let me ask you.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
The two non football guys thought there was some hope
in this.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
I thought there were more flashes of pressure and such
in second there was better than in Chicago. Now they're
still bad.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
They're still bad.
Speaker 10 (22:04):
But I thought they.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
Got historically and knocked him up. They got pressure put
and knocked him off his spot. Yeah, I agree with
That's that's what I'm saying. But they were ten out
of fourteen.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
You had a different You had different problems last night
than you had the first the last game.
Speaker 8 (22:22):
I guess, what's the difference between the injured player and
the player that can't play. There's none. So you can
pick the highlights and you can pick the low lights.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
But the bottom line is and and the thing about
it in.
Speaker 8 (22:42):
Caseopp because I came to the conclusion is like he said,
a little harder than I did. But you cannot have
this happen weekend and week. But it's going to find
it a new way to You can't your linebackers cannot play.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Well y'all said that after the first week.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
But broh, last night, man, it was evident.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I mean, you had chances to knock people to get
them off the field.
Speaker 6 (23:13):
If we would have.
Speaker 8 (23:14):
Just went seven out of fourteen, we may be looking
at a different game.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I don't know.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
I ain't want them to beople saying, but you could
have been looking at a different game and making them
run to catch us. It was always us running to
catch them, you know, because they took the lead at
the beginning of the game. I just said in the
first quarter, but then they made some plays in the
second quarter that got the Cowboys back in the game,
and then at thirteen to two, Rappers but I bought,
(23:40):
you know, screwed it down, my boy, bell.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
That's a shame, man, when you look up.
Speaker 8 (23:49):
And see a quarterback and a new receiver finding connections
that they did.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And Jalen Tobert, well.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Let me let me, let me, let me be a man,
you know, let me be a man, because I'm for it.
I'm forty one, man, Hey, I'm forty one. Let me
be a man for this.
Speaker 5 (24:09):
Game, Jaylen Tober, give me his flowers, no.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
For this game. George Pickens look like number one wide receiver.
George Pikets stepped up when he was needed the most.
Now that's what we need from George Pickens from until
we can see the back have a shot, to have
a shot. But George Pickens and I never said that
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George Pickens wasn't a good football player. I consistently said,
George Pickens is a really, really good football player. I
just don't believe he's a number one receiver on the
level of Ceedee Lamb. Even in the plays that he
made were in the same fourth routes that he normally runs. Right,
he ran, he ran the go route, the post route,
(24:54):
a hitch and something else. He made a play. So
George Pickens for this game was the number one receiver
that the Cowboys needed. Now, don't go, don't go lay
egg in New York City.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
How many that was what he had to put together
this year for you to be like, Okay, he's one, A,
one B.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
You gotta finish out this CD comes back like so.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
If he can do it three or four games in
a row, then you you would change.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
And it didn't have to be three touchdowns on hundreds.
But you gotta you have to play. You have to
have to you have to make the plays when it's
time for you to make the plays. Yeah, for sure, absolutely,
But I can sit here and say I'm a man,
I'm forty one, George Pickens.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
Good, all right, the whole.
Speaker 4 (25:40):
Group did pretty good.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
Of course, you had Dak in a great game.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
So yeah, you know, can we do this?
Speaker 7 (25:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:46):
I don't want to talk about this defense anymore.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Okay, you just wanna go up.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
This is bad.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
If it is bad, I don't want talk about him.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
An, let's go to break and then let's we'll just
spend the whole last twenty minutes.
Speaker 8 (25:57):
On them because it's some defense players. I don't even
want to mention it now.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
I don't talk about to do this. Let's talk about
to go that.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
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Speaker 6 (26:04):
Okay, Frank said, good, So we'll be back. Talk about
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Speaker 5 (29:23):
Jesse could build a house, a small, tiny home with
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Speaker 7 (29:56):
I was striving. I don't you know. I didn't do that,
didn't take I didn't. I didn't. I didn't get to know.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
I thought about it, but I thought.
Speaker 9 (30:06):
About, oh yeah, well that was fine there but not inside.
Speaker 6 (30:09):
He's like they were a lot cheaper outside eighty bucks
a pop.
Speaker 7 (30:12):
It's like they're gonna sell my money.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
That's a massive mant of my own heart right there,
frivolous get we'll get a company back the money. We
don't get a company back the money.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
That's as a as a as a Bears fan watching
this Cowboys team, you have to be.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
We all know what we're not talking indicated.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, but what do you think about dak because
we we always look at it internally and we all
like Dak and you know Dax, but externally he outside
of Dallas, he doesn't really we don't feel like he
gets the credit that he probably doesn't.
Speaker 9 (30:48):
I mean, he's just everything that's politically correct, and he
can't win the big game.
Speaker 7 (30:52):
That's that's my impression.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
Okay, damn.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
It all up in the nutshet there you go, all right, Jesse,
speaking of dak.
Speaker 10 (31:02):
Ken, I asked a question. Maybe this will lead into
that's whatever you want. It really feels like, you, guys,
this was a loss, but they took a team that's
supposed to be one of the better ones victory currency
normally it's not I'm not saying normally I'm lost. I'm
not saying I'm not saying it's a moral victory, but
I'm saying that.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
I don't do that on this show.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, it's not a moral victory.
Speaker 10 (31:26):
They tied him, they didn't lose.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
They didn't win either.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
We all thought they get blown out by double digits. Yes,
so why doesn't that carry anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Because you didn't win. Yes?
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Did we want to see you compete? Yes, great phenomenal,
But what was still glaring within that was your defense
is still absolutely horrible and you're still not good enough
that when your best is required, you do stupid stuff
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when your best is required. And this is what Nate has.
We need to We need to have Nate copyright this. Yes,
when he says, what can you do when the competition
is equal to or greater than you? Can you do?
You have enough to get yourself over the hump? And
consistently we watched this team, not this particular team, but
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these teams as a whole, but this team in particular
this year, face a team that is equal to or
greater than them, and when it came time for you
to make the deciding play, you come up short. It
is a consistent theme that we've seen this movie, Like
you didn't tell me you didn't watch that game last night,
(32:46):
and maybe it was just me. You watched that game
last night, you was like, here comes. You didn't know
what it was, but you were like.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
I was watching the game. I was like, we're losing.
I've seen this here many times. We're losing the game.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Like even when Jordan take a scored and I was like, oh.
Speaker 6 (33:01):
That's too much time.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Much time?
Speaker 6 (33:03):
Yeah, I said that three seconds.
Speaker 7 (33:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Green Bay has notorially, notoriously done that.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
They still haven't lost in this building.
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yeah, And I thought, let me just talk, let me
just talk about that, let me do that.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
They they were getting on the bus last night, you know,
you know, I was at the game. So I'm walking
up the tonnel and all these guys walking.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Past me, our team.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
Oh, I'm talking about Packers, And they had this long
distance look like.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I can't believe we lost. You could just see it
in their eyes.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
It was like a loss.
Speaker 7 (33:35):
Yeah, Like.
Speaker 4 (33:37):
You know, that's the difference, Kurt Right. One team saw
tied and felt like it was a lost. The other
team and maybe just a family because I'm gonna talk
with the team, but the family look at that and
go it feels like a win.
Speaker 8 (33:47):
To me, it looks we done lost the game and
tied the game, and everybody thinking like, man, we're on
our way.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
I've never seen it, Like, how do you lose a game? Philadelphia? Oh,
we on our way? Tie game.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
I guess it ain't us. I guess it's who we
played to.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Decide on how we should feel.
Speaker 6 (34:13):
No, to me, this feels.
Speaker 8 (34:16):
Like a loss because, like Jesse said, it showed the
greatness of our offense and the diversatility of our play
caller to get guys in the right position. But it
also showed that it took a defensive coordinator to do
everything in his.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Is playable to try to hold you into a.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Game and you can't tackle and you're still making stupid plays.
Speaker 5 (34:41):
Let me you said on Friday that Shody was gonna
have to call he was gonna have to win one
of Do you think he called a great game?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
I thought shot he called a phenomenon game.
Speaker 8 (34:53):
But come on, let me let me finish though, I'm
on which I'm which go ahead on?
Speaker 4 (34:57):
I think Shotty called a phenomenal game. I always come
in here and I say a court a head coach
should get you at least one and a half victories
a year.
Speaker 6 (35:04):
You said he needed that one on and maybe not.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
The half right was the half, But I thought, shoty,
I thought he called a perfect game. Dak Prescott got
rid of the ball in two point five seconds on average,
which he had you And to the casual people out
there who don't know what they're watching when they turn
on the tape, go watch. Michaeh was whooping your offensive lineman.
(35:33):
You better thank your lucky start. And Mike I said
after the game, he said, boy, you was He told
that you go watch, go watch. If it had not
been for the goodness of Dak Prescott and his ability
to move just the tad bit to the left.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
The right, that pocket presence it was.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean, go watch the tape.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
Watch the tape, and that is the half that you're
talking about with coach Seattenhammer.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
That that the half game he hit.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
This kid had to be eighty percent of the time
in the first half. Parsons had to feel tight end
a wide receiver, a running back a lot of times
in that first half to win it. They beat him down.
That they beat him down, and he's still for I'm
(36:28):
gonna give him his dude, still in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He was fighting.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Go watch the tape.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 8 (36:34):
See because the first guy was not doing the job.
He second guys he is.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
And I'm talking about milliseconds away, like as he's doing
one of them, Dak's releasing the ball like it is.
I mean, it is incredible trying. It was incredible how
good Dak was in the pocket in freaking incredible. I
thought Shoddy called a masterful game. And then he let
(37:03):
him off the hook, which part I thought, he I thought,
And I'm not let me be very clear when I
say this, I'm not calling the man, the person, coach Shottenheimer,
a coward. I thought in overtime, you go for it,
you go for it. I thought, on that fourth down,
you go for it. Nobody gave you. You said at
(37:25):
the end of the game, you said, there isn't a
quarterback in the National Football League that's playing better ball
in dark Prescott. This is the moment where you let
him hang. This is the moment where you drop your
kahunas on the table and you say, I'm giving you
the ball for I'm giving you the ball fourth down.
(37:45):
If we lose. I go to the podium and I
say I believe in Dak Prescott so much, and whoever
asked the question, coach, why did you go for it?
There isn't a better There isn't a quarterback in the
National Football League that's paying better ball than him right now.
If it wasn't for Dak Prescot, we would not be
in this football game. He was wheeling and dealing all
game long. I wanted to give him an opportunity to
(38:05):
let him know that I believed so much in him
and this football team that we went for. Nobody gave
us a chance. I would have pointed that every reporter
in there said, none of y'all in here gave us
a chance to win this game. None of the reporters
or none of the big networks gave us a chance
to win this game. And here we were at home.
This is the fining moment for me and for this
football team. We're at home, the crowds behind our back,
(38:28):
a team that nobody said that we could beat. I'm
giving the ball to number four, and guess what if
the opportunity comes again, I'm doing the same damn thing.
I'm giving it to four, and I'm saying, go do
what you've done for us all day long, go win.
It's the football game. You kick the field goal. There,
I thought, I thought, I thought you got tight. I
thought it got tight for you. I think in that
(38:50):
moment right there, and you let your you let your
squad know, because don't talk a good game. And then
in that moment, because also you've been on the sideline
the whole game, right you had a front row seat
or what was happening. Your defense didn't stop a damn
thing all day. So the kick a field goal and go,
my defense is gonna make a play. When they scored
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on every single possession that they had in the second half,
you sat there and watched it front front line. That's
why I'm like, in this moment, and maybe maybe he
may sleep on it, come back today and say, you
know what, I probably should have let the ball hang out.
But that's the moment right there. You want to talk
about a defining moment, you give that and you go
with score either honestly, however it happens. If you go
(39:32):
and you don't happen. I can look those men in
the face and go, I put it on y'all hands.
I put it in your hands, that Prescott. I believed
in you so much, George, whatever my best play is
and I'm going to the best player. I'm calling the
best player I got putting the ball in his hands.
And if you win it, you going you a bad
deeply bleap bleep leeper and I can carry you, Dan Campbell,
(39:55):
that carries.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
You know, and I love it, Jess, But you knowing, h.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
Scared money don't make money. They scared money don't make
money right now as a as a as a head coach,
with everything that was going wrong with you in your
in your organization, I'm.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
With you because he hasn't he hasn't practiced, he has
a practice.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
What he hasn't it has been.
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Games where and I'm I'm using Detroit as an example.
This coach Dan Campbell didn't some of the coaches wait
for that moment. And coach missed this moment last night.
But from this point on, practice that in the game
it's fourth and whatever, go for it. Let your team
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know that I'm always gonna put it in your hands.
I'm always believing number four. I know what's going on
over there. He missed the moment. I'm I'm I'm with you.
But from this point on, you're gonna he goes go.
He's gonna have to, because the way to get over
the big moments is not fear anything all fear and
(41:07):
once your team know like hey man, this is a
critical point, now become something that you embrace. Coach Shatty,
I mean he's talking it, but you can't. You got
embrace that, got embrace it.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
I thought he called. I thought his game plan for
this game was he he he protected Dak, He made
Micah have to run the hoop. He hit him every
chance that he got. He got the ball out extremely quick.
They ran the football. All the thing that we said
that they had to do in that game to have
a chance.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
He did it.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
And then in the moment, in that moment that that
defies champions. To me, that that separates you from being
another just another coach, and you going out there saying,
now that's how you coach.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Right.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Remember remember in the Bad Boy movie when they were there,
it was like bad Boys too, And they're chasing the dude.
He's in there in that Porsche and and Will is
shot and Martin is driving, and Martin not the one,
and they driving me. And it's that little it's that
little narrow way that they make it through and and
and Martin is like, this is a faster car. This
is a faster car. And then he bumped the dude
(42:11):
and he goes through, and he goes That's how you
drive it from now on. That's how you that's the moment.
That's the moment for Shoddy.
Speaker 6 (42:19):
Where you go.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
From now one. That's how we drive. That's how we
finish games. That's how we make statements. That's the type
of stuff. This tie doesn't carry you anywhere. You don't
leave that game with feeling a sense of accomplishment. Accomplishment
you go out there on fourth down at home. It's
a team that nobody said you can beat.
Speaker 5 (42:40):
Do you think Dak goes to him after the after
that game and goes, coach, should have given it to.
Speaker 8 (42:45):
Me if that is one of the reasons he's here,
so I know Dak can give.
Speaker 5 (42:52):
It to me next time. Coach, you gotta let me
we get that situation again.
Speaker 6 (42:56):
Give it to me like that.
Speaker 4 (42:56):
Gotta be real, Like, man, listen, you know that different
one want stop nobody coach on now, let me go
out there.
Speaker 8 (43:01):
We had some moments like that with Jimmy, like what
Jesse is talking about and when he didn't feel good
about us early early, like.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Now, he didn't do a lot of those things.
Speaker 8 (43:14):
But once his players got better, they started doing that.
Unlike Dan Camba. Dann Camra started from day one. Man,
we're gonna start embracing this. I'm we're gonna start and
so I feel what you're saying. But I'm torn between
two coaches and saying, okay, is he feeling like even
though his offense is all that and even you know
(43:37):
you can it's easy.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
For you to sit in that chair.
Speaker 4 (43:43):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 8 (43:43):
You know it's easy for me to sit over here
and debate you. But think about that time.
Speaker 4 (43:49):
About this team, that coach, that quarterback, you give it
to him on fourth down and they gonna win that football.
Speaker 8 (43:55):
I'm with you, but it ain't riding like that now.
It's just ain't Jesse you that you had everybody excited.
Speaker 4 (44:03):
But like a time, I felt like when the game
was over, I felt empty. I felt like the game started,
I was like, okay, so.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
I was like wasted for yeah a half hours, but noah,
but see what are those players thinking?
Speaker 8 (44:20):
I sure we shot to talk to some of these players,
you know, to say, hey, man, how you feel? How
you feel because some of these guys could be thinking, man,
we did okay, because I heard a few players talk
about when they lost to Philadelphia, we're gonna be all right.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
We told you that, you know.
Speaker 8 (44:40):
So he's trying to change this, and what you said
would have went to a bit that they if they
just do that thing today, if.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
That changes everything, your whole demeanor changes about how you
look at this football team.
Speaker 6 (44:55):
Kurt, where you sit on this.
Speaker 10 (44:56):
Well, yeah, I mean that's I wish they had done that.
Hearing you talk about it.
Speaker 1 (45:01):
That's what I'm saying. But last night he one thinking
that way. But Jesse.
Speaker 8 (45:09):
Bro you had me sitting there like, now, we wish
we could do this over. But I'm thinking, like what
was coach thinking? What was he thinking like that? Like
to me, like you're talking about Dan Campbell. Like Dan Campbell,
remember when that Detroit Ben Johnson's.
Speaker 1 (45:24):
Doing it now he's.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Doing in Chicago. Remember when Detroy played US, Detroit could
have kicked the extra points in the game in overtime.
Remember that the Campbell said, Nah, we're on the road,
we didn't play as well.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
We're in a battle. We're going for too, and we
got it and got a flat and they said we
were going for two again. But see he he never
he never not thought like well, that's in his DNA.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
And players are like you like all right, because.
Speaker 5 (45:54):
My question is that's who he is. That's who he
was as a player, that's who he is as a
person and now is.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
And that's what Ben Jones is.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
Shottenheimer, that guy Jesse to do that?
Speaker 1 (46:06):
Come on, now, talk to I.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Don't know what would Marty do?
Speaker 7 (46:09):
Right?
Speaker 1 (46:12):
How would you?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
I don't know, but I'm just saying, like I'm going
by when you hear him, like he comes off as
this authentic I believe in.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
My crew, like holo, Jesse, do you believe in Shottenheimer?
Speaker 7 (46:26):
Are you?
Speaker 4 (46:28):
I would have believed if you went for it. And
the reason bigause I'm like, because I can get behind.
Speaker 6 (46:35):
That even if you lose.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Even if you lose, because that's telling me that you
depend on I've been in the arena and I'm not
I'm not doing like you, but I've been in the
arena and when the coach looks at you and they go,
so let me ask you this, you got it.
Speaker 6 (46:52):
We gotta we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (46:53):
But real quick, do you think the players as a
as a player, if he would have gone for work
and you would have lost instead of not going for
it as a player, would you have felt better.
Speaker 4 (47:07):
Yep, because I said he believed in me. Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 6 (47:10):
Where you been, like coach. So that's what that's what
you're saying, that we we forgot the man.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
But you're going forward.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
You rolled Italian went.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
For it. But but that's where Yeah, that's what you're saying.
That's where you start building cultures you want.
Speaker 4 (47:35):
You want to buy in. Yeah, we lost, but he
stands in front of those men and he goes, fellas,
I believe in you that much, and and they should
feel bad like damn, we let him down. And that's
how you go and get them to go to the
next because I don't think this time makes them.
Speaker 1 (47:52):
Run through the wall.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah, I think you're going for it with they're like, damn, bro,
he really believed in us. And you you look, you
in front of those men, you say, Dak Prescott, the
reason I went for it on fourth down because you
the baddest mofo in the NFL right now, and I
believe in you. Guys look around like damn hell of
a locker room speak yeah.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
And like that, continue to go to tober even though
we like last night Tobert came up big for him.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
That resonates man like that resonates in the guys that
are in the arena.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
Yeah, I'm not trying to not what you're saying, but
I'm trying to go into his head.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
I do what he's thinking.
Speaker 8 (48:27):
Is this locker room strong and built like That's what
I'm trying to say, is coach shottenhammer locker room strong
and built like that.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
But that's the muscle that you put. That's the muscle
that you infuse, that's the conteen, that's the.
Speaker 6 (48:40):
That's how you build it.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
That's how you build the muscle. It's going through these
moments like this and him and you know what I'm
saying like that, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
What it feels like that I.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
Trust you enough whatever happens. I'm I'm like, load left.
Speaker 6 (48:55):
You don't want to let them down because they left.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Yeah, you go back and say it again, it won't
happen this.
Speaker 1 (49:03):
Time next game. The first time we went down and
builds and what That's.
Speaker 4 (49:09):
How you get dudes to That's how you get dudes
to run through a wall for you. Ah my hamstring hurt.
Now I'm going I'm going out the coach. I got
you what you need my shoulder, what you need, coach, Hey,
I need this one. I'm just we gotta go.
Speaker 5 (49:23):
But I'm just saying good stuff, Jesse, real good stuff, Frank,
anything to say on half a wing Stop.
Speaker 9 (49:29):
I'm just happy to be here, happy to have swing
stuff today. So I'm gonna keep eating there every day.
Speaker 7 (49:34):
I can't go right.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Hey, ladies, Frank got a nice gift card, Frank, Frank,
Frank got the cloading Wingstop car and limo. The partition goes.
Speaker 6 (49:49):
Up, Frank will hook you up if you don't live
in the trailer park, because you won't make it out
with that gift card. Jesse. Really good stuff today, man,
they good stuff.
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Thank you for yeah, Frank, thank you, thank you wing
Stop for the food company.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
I don't we play the carry cry carry limo c
A are you.
Speaker 5 (50:06):
Why and ask for Frank. He'll drop you off. He
knows how to get in the stadium now.
Speaker 4 (50:10):
And he signs NDAs.
Speaker 6 (50:12):
There you go.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
What happens in the limo stations in the limo.
Speaker 6 (50:15):
Or outside of the limo or on top of the
limo under the limo.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Just don't get on the seat.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
There you go.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air. Josh, thanks
for keeping him company and wing Stop.
Speaker 6 (50:23):
We love you.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Thank you so much for all you do for us.
Thank and sponsoring the show.
Speaker 6 (50:29):
Thank you from day one on this season two. Probably
we'll see you tomorrow phone calls. Bye were.
Speaker 9 (50:38):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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