September 16, 2025 • 47 mins
So Matt Eberflus’ defense is supposed to be easier for players to handle. But does that mean it’s also easier for opposing offenses to attack? Sure seems so. And was this scheme designed to have a stud pass-rusher, which is why the Cowboys are now bringing in Jadeveon Clowney? Plus, the chess match that goes on between players during games to gain an advantage. Hear it from those who know!
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Speaker 1 (01:16):
Late So Kurt, you have a chance, you know, yes,
you do?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
You think so?
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Late late Saturday night got to Jesse's taking him three
days to the cover, staying out past midnight, anything you
want to talk about, Kurt, you never get.
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To stop doing.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
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looks good.
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Thank you. I appreciate you like it.
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Speaker 1 (01:46):
You look nice job, good job, yes, man, I mean
you you you sent out ideas. It's a chance, possible,
ideas welcome. Any idea is yours? Your deal? Phone calls.
So what does Clowney gonna tell us? What does kind
bring to the defense?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm asking you guys. You guys are the players. What
do you think he brings to his defense? What kind
of player is he? Is he just going to be
a straight pass rusher? Is he gonna help us out
on the run defense?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
And he is?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He?
Speaker 8 (02:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What's what's this guy good?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
My question is is he better than what you have?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Right? And he is? Good?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Question?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He is? He is better, a better run stopper and
a better uh pass rush both. Yeah. His knowledge he
came out, he was he was a beast. I think
was the I don't want no was the Texans who
brought him into the league. I think is the number
one player. Yeah. Uh, never really lived up while he
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was with the Texans to his to this to his
draft board first. But he's had some stops where he's
had ten eleven sacks. I mean, go back and look, Kurt.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't want to nine nine and a half twice, that's.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, that's whether he's gonna Yeah, and he's had some
impact pressures and stuff like that. Uh, he's had some
impact on some teams where he's been, but it always
ultimately comes down because he's a mercenary, you know, mercenary
meaning he's the guy that he's seeking that dollar for
the last four or five years. Is like, I'm not
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going to training camp. I ain't beating myself up. I'm,
you know, the highest bidder. Sometime he wins, like he
the one with Carolina a year ago. He didn't win
with the Ravens. Ravens, he comes, prove it to us,
We'll give you four mel he signed had a light
how many sacks with Carolina nine and a half with car.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
With Baltimore Carolina, they're asking him to drop and coverage
more and do this again, he had five and a half.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, but see The thing about it was he gets
home grid when you keep him up under four meal.
So he plays a little bit tough. The mercenary go
outside and slaughter a live better.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
What do other players think of these mercenaries where you
know they're just coming in for the paycheck and.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It is what it is. My boy was a mercenary,
you know. It was a gun slinger. That was dinn.
You know he got you know, you know, if the
money is money, right, they tight. So I mean that's
who some guys are. The great player that played with
New England cornerback for a lot of years, Jesse would
know his name. Uh he got. You know, some guys
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just do that, you know. But that that also runs
out too because you think a lot of people loving you,
but they're watching your history too, and so I think
he's better than what we have h And you hear
everybody say if he wants to, he can be a good,
a great run stopper if he wants to. But he
can pat rush that past. He's still at this late
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date and age of freak of freaking nature. He can move,
he can bend, he can make some things happen. Will
he come in and fit here? In the locker room
because you you do want to pose the question. As
a veteran guy of many wars, will he come in
and buy into your program wholeheartedly? What is he looking for?
(05:05):
Is he looking for the fifteen to twenty snaps in
past rush situation? Are you actually to do thirty snaps
and play both running and pass? This coach has said
over and over it takes a team to stop the run.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
We've heard in the you know.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Real quick, where all has he been?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Oh? He has started with the Texans, spent five years.
There was one year in Seattle, one year in Tennessee,
two years in Cleveland, one year in Baltimore, one year
in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't knowize he was that many places. Telling between
him and now the guy playing Missing Action too and
all of the war movies, I can't think of today. Yeah,
Rambo type guy. You know, he's a mercenary bro. I'm
telling you, I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So we heard, you know, when Parsons was was traded.
Obviously we're like, oh, we we like our young talent.
We like you know, they've got three second round picks sitting.
There's defensive ends and there is easy Sam Williams and kneeling.
Now are you saying, Okay, these guys aren't what they
thought or is this gonna hamper their development?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
In him?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The thing is kneelan is still coming off of their
knee or whatever it happened a year ago. This is
the This is my biggest issue. And uh, Jess, we're
talking about what clowney Clowney brings. This is my biggest issue.
Is what in the world is Dante doing. M I
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knew what he was trying to do the first game.
He was trying to He's supposed he was supposed to
keep contained, but he's shot inside a couple of times.
But now you you have a less mobile quarterback, which
we are me and you agree he's more mobile than
people think. As we see now, Uh what what happened
last week against a poor offensive line? Where was Filer?
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Where was Donovan? So while the game was going on,
they said, man, we knew we wasn't gonna sign you
this week, but look again, clowning, we got an extra
five hundred thousand on the table. Come on, because that
that that hart, that that dog ain't gonna hunt. What
we saw last week is fast rush. I mean, jest,
you want to feed in.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah, I think what do I think what he brings.
He brings a level of experience, and I heard Kurt
talking about, you know, progress stopper, and I don't think
he's actually a progress stopper.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
He's not.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
I think this is a guy who you bring in
and because you know, Sam Williams is the guy who
you can consider a veteran, even though he hasn't played much.
Filo is a veteran, you know, he's been around here
for a while. And Donovan as a rocket, I think
he can benefit now. I don't know what type of
person Jadavion is. I don't know if he's the type
that comes in and puts arm around the guy and
shows him the ropes, or he's just a guy that's
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coming in. He's a mercenary and he comes in and said,
I'm coming to get mine. I'll help about where I
can help out, but it is what it is. I'll
be here for six months and I'll be on to
the next spot. They'll get some guaranteed money, right. So
if he's a guy that wraps his arm around younger players,
then as Iraku can learn from a guy I think
one of the one of the biggest problems that they're
running into is And I don't know what happened to
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Dante Fowler, but watching him on film, the creativity, the moves,
he just didn't have it. And he's you know, he's
like it's one move and it's right down the middle
of a defender or is trying to speed around the outside.
And guys are just too talented, even the backups, it
could be too talented for you do not have something.
Even watching Donovan as Iaku him setting up his moves,
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he's starting too early, he's telegraphing them. And so you
know that don't work against guys who's been in the league.
And even because think about it, even a guy like
the backup left tackle that they had, third string guy
you know in Bao, right Obao, however you pronounce his
last name. He works against kvon Tip but old Brian
(09:00):
burn At the whole car that every single day. So
if you don't bring something greater than what they do,
and he's like, well, you ain't faster than that, dude,
You ain't strong as Burns and you ain't as a
combo of Thibodeau. I can just sit and wait on you, right,
And so most of the time if you're not bringing
something special to the table where you're setting your moves
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up and watch guys like Michael Parsons his get off,
watch guys like you know, turn on YouTube and watch
guys like the Marcus where is their moves are when
they're they're not doing their moves two steps before they
get to the tackle. That's that's a tackle. Will go
thank you. As soon as you come out that spin,
I'll be ready right here with they get right up
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on him, chop spin out of that thing, and now
he leaning forward in ebat. So it's all about that.
And I think that's what you bring in when you're
added to daveon Clowney, is you bring a guy who's
ready made. You bring a guy in who has everything
that you want. Has past rush moves, can defend the run,
can get to the pastor but it's it's it's instant,
it's right out the box.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
So is this maybe not so much they're not getting
enough out of those second round young guys, but they're
not getting enough out of foul.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
They ain't getting enough out of no nobody right like
right now, Kenny Clark is your best run stopper. And
he's your best pressure quarterback guy, like your past rusher.
So that's coming from your guy's playing in the middle.
They're not getting anything from those guys on the outside.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You remember when we was talking about lip Key and
I'm going to act last year, we was talking about
a number nine Kavon.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Cavante.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Cavante. These guys are great if you have it going on.
They told Missus Jones that they can manufacture sacks. You
can only manufacture sacks when when you're front four is
a threat. When your front four is not a threat,
you ain't managed manufacturing nothing because you everywhere you go,
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you have to have one guy that demands the double team.
Now you can set up everything else. But if you
got an extra guy, I'm blocking these guys four on
five and you got an extra guy and are running
back in the backfield, blitz what do whatever you want
because I'm gonna eat you alive. So that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Soay Jerry was up in the suite and he was like,
the factory is broke, a factory is out of business.
Get me somebody.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
When Russell Wilson is throwing for four hundred and fifty
yards on you like yeah, and it's within your division.
So he's looking at like, hey, I gotta see this
guy one more time. Yep, right, I gotta see this
team one more time. I also got to see the
young kid in Washington twice, and I gotta go back
again to see Jalen Hurts again. Like within the division.
(11:50):
I need to create some because if I don't have it,
Jayleen Hurts will go run around all day long. Right,
and now I'm seeing I get Russell Wilson looked like
super ball. Russell Wilson on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Shoty went out in his press conference was that on
Thursday or Friday and said, the best long ball I've
ever seen, the way he throws it just made it.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
But those balls he threw that one.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
That that's always that's always been Russell Wilson's game. The
problem how you get him off that game? Pressure you pressure,
And what happened the one time Sam Williams showed up
in the in overtime got pressure to Russell? What did
he do? He punted the ball to Donovan Wilson Because
if he if he didn't have pressure, if we're being honest,
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he might have fit one in there to the sideline.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And you know what's fun, Donovan still wont devis des.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
He still had to come up again.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
He still wasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He dropped one that that last one that he dropped
in there. They showed on to replay and this dude
had his hands over his eyes. He dropped it so
pretty in theore to his hands.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Was that fifty forty something yards in just in the
air and he couldn't even see it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It just right in his hands. Man, I said to
myself that I had to listen to these dudes all
week long. Tell me how Russell Wilson Wasn't Russell Wilson fans,
this is my hit. It's only one show you should
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Speaker 6 (13:32):
What was the purpose?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I think I know, but I don't know some
I'm going to ask because I learned a lot on
the show. Putting Jackson Dart in there for those places,
was that just to get him used to being in
a game situation because everybody in the stadium knew he
was not throwing the ball when he went in there.
They put him in there what three or four times?
Was the first time. It's kind of like Okay, what's
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gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And then you realize he called it that was a
Michael from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Move surprised they were putting Hm in their late I
could say, yeah, like a little experience maybe.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
But what happens is now your defense is scrambling because
you you you heard about a Jackson Dark packaging happening.
Now what is it? There's nothing on film that shows
us what the package is going to be. And the
run play that he had, they ran the same play
early in the game. Russell just uh Russell slid at
the two yards right and then they ran it again
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and Jackson Dark slipped in the backfield right. Then they
ran it again. They ran it again and Scatterboo got through,
got through for the what you call it? So you're
you're saying, well, what do we do? Because the first
thing you think about is when you insert him, is
that he's gonna run it, not that he's gonna pass it.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So it was more of him being a running threat
than then.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
A running threat, almost like the Jalen Hurts kind of
he's gonna rp o it and then come out the
back end. And again, I only need the guys to
go over a half a step to get my linement
up on it, and it worked to perfection, and they
got the big run by Skataboo. So those things and
now that's out there in the universe there. If you
probably watch a Giants game this week, they're probably running
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package out there and he'll throw it this time. And
now you got to prepare for a run for a
throw those type of things that they want to put
in there for him throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, okay, no, and let me say this be whore.
We go to the break, ladies and gentlemen, the Cowboys
are back to themselves. We have introduced a new running
back to the league and his name is Scatterboo. Thank you.
If you want a new running back be introduced to
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Question for y'a before we get back into the show,
you've been you talk two shows in a row now
about the get off right, about the defensive guys seeing
Micah and I remember DeMarcus where like I don't think
anybody was faster than him.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Getting off the ball. How as a defensive end lineman whatever,
And I.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Understand you you can pick your spots and there's tails
and you can you can a few times a game
get off the ball as it's moving back. How do
those guys that are consistently they're like moving with the ball,
like not like waiting for the ball to move, like
if you watch the good one, the great ones, when
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the ball's moving, they're moving with it.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And to me, that's not just reaction time.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's film like how.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Though, And it's like play after play after play.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
It's not just two or three times a game where
you can be like, oh, he's got this tell and he.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Is this it's yes, they do they got they they
recognized something that gives them an advantage. All the great
ones have it. And they a lot of them don't
have to look for you know. They they look a
couple of times, oh yeah, and then they start they'll
continue to watch them. They'll go back, Okay, he did
it this game, he did it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
So maybe they maybe maybe they twitch the fingers something
before the ball the.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Right guard uh, you know, get tense, you know, they
find a way. Man.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
So it's like playing tell, and then you don't tell
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What you No, you're not not even your teammates. You
don't share it, not even your teammates. That's your thing.
Like Michael Jordan used to be like, come on, all
of y'all, come practice with me. Then Kobe adapted, all
y'all come practice with me. He ran joking around, just
doing little stuff to make you do react. So in
the game he take advantage the great ones. It's just
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something about them or the things like that.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Ahead minds me that Randy White, we interviewed him a
while back for the documentary and he was telling us
that he got into all that come from. He said
he would practice on you. Yeah, you and you and
I can't remember who was ahead of him, but before
you pissed you.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Off, man, he will hurt you.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
This how you got better was because this old.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Man had like tusks, like an elephant tusk. This dude
to hurt you. Man, he would be chopping down on
your wrists, jamming your fingers, hitting your elbows. I mean
he used to be. And then he would go out
to practice and you know, how to be on the
wood and all.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Of the hard yeah bones and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Looking at it. Man, if you want my teammate, bro,
we'll be fighting every day.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Man, that's a real thing. A lot of those m
m A guys, especially in Thailand, they'll take wine bottles
and they'll roll, they'll roll it on their shins. Kill
all the nerve endings.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
That what it's before I couldn't understand.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, kills the nerve endings.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
So when you when you kick somebody, you can't feel it,
another person feels it, and then it calcifies your It
calcifies your bones.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Counting the movie Count Yeah, sorry, that's a great movie.
I got to watch too.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
No, that's that's good and the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Or I know there's tails or there tails in the
like wide receiver position, in the in the dB position,
Like you work all game to set somebody up for
when you need it.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Right, Yeah I did. I just did a breakdown on
my other show about how Shoddy and George Picking set
up his touchdown right and and I just basically just
said that whenever you come into a game offensively or defensively,
you get your game plan for the week. And if
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you're an offensive guy, they highlight the top of your
playbook or they got our passed down on what it
looks like now on I pass. But you know you're
going to that meeting on Monday. They go, all right,
we're taking on said team for the Cowboys. It's all right,
offensively three eighty eight four. Here's what we got to
make sure that we're doing. And when you think about
George Pickens, you know you're looking at and coach is
(22:14):
probably you know, preaching it all week long. Hey, he's
gonna run the go route. He's gonna run the go route.
When he runs the go route, Hey, slants, these are
so he's gonna run slants, man and go routes. And
he's preaching it until you and over time, you just
you you're logging that into your brain. Throughout practicing, you're
trying to work on that, and then you get into
the game. And if you watch the game, George Pickens
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is not running many routes. He's running goals. He's running
slants here, running occasional over here, may run a dig
behind it, but he's running to some of the very
simple routes that he's running. Well, what do they do.
They set them up on the left side and he
runs a slant and then he runs a go and
there's a slant and there's a go. Then they get
to the red zone and on his touchdown, when you
watch it, he come off the ball, he jabs inside
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what looks like a slant and then he releases like
he's running the go running out route and the dB
opens up this way and now he's like, oh, hi,
comes the go route. He opened up to go play
the go route out route front pylon touchdown, And so
those type of things are always being put into into motion,
right because you already you know when to Cavante Turpet
comes into the field. First thing, you think about speed, right,
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So I'm always thinking he's fast, and then you have
you have to be able to game plan off that.
So you're always playing this chess match of I know
what you know, I know what you are, you know
what I am, and how can I use that to
my advantage? And sometimes you'll do things in the first quarter,
in the second quarter, and you're like, all right, I
set them up. So now when there's money time, third quarter,
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fourth quarter, I'm like, coach, man, if we do this,
I've been setting them up all day. And the greats
do that. The greats understand that, and I know they
talked about it. He talked about it against for Jared
Verse when they had the Inscrimmage practice, and he was like,
He's like, listen, man, what Jared Versus doing to isl
in practice ain't what he gonna do to y'all in
the game. He's like, y'all think of y'all blocking him
(24:03):
the whole time. He's setting y'all up. Sure enough, game
time it looked different and he's like, man, he might
do something over here. You're like, oh, yeah, I got him,
you know, you feeling confident about him in the game
time he two times faster, three times stronger, and you
like that ain't what I saw. That ain't what I
saw in practice. And so that's how the greats work
through it, you know, all game long, and to get
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that slight advantage when they need it the most.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I'm gonna tell you something. Their kid in Green Bay.
I mean, when the Commanders was playing Green Bay. And
this is where Richard Dent was good. This is where
all the greats have been good. This is where Michael
is exceptional. It's the fact that at the beginning of
the game, the Marcus Sware used to do the same thing.
It's the beginning of the game. Their first two rushers,
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they're gonna give your medium speed, they're gonna give you
seventy five, and you're gonna ease yourself out there. You know,
you're gonna ease yourself out there. And they waiting for
that one time for you to drop that foot a
little bit too much and turn and turn your butt
to the sideline. They either gonna dip dip or they
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gonna hit right back inside. And Dent was good at that.
It's just setting you up, setting you up. When I
saw what Verse was doing in training camp, I wanted
to go up to Nate Thomas and say that was
not real. I'm telling you that it was not real
because he was just setting him up. And you, when
you are great, you can do that when you're the
(25:34):
average guy. Come on off the rock man, dude. Yeah,
just that is so good man. How you you know
telling us about it?
Speaker 7 (25:44):
And even even like guys like you know used to
watch Aaron Donald right from the from the from the
middle of the defense. Right one play he'll come off
and it's get you right. Then the next play he
power you and now you're sitting there, you're like, all right,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Now he come off and he jack you up and
pull you away, and now you're going and now he's
unabated to the quarterback because.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Then there's three different things that he just did to you,
and you're like, what's next?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
So now, so now what is up happening? Is you? You?
You sitting there waiting to go do something and he
boomed he's so so those are the it's and now
once I get you like that, Like you know, Nate
even said that by himself. He was just like, man,
when I go up against Jerome Brown, I got I'm
in a dog fight. So it ain't gonna be no technique, y'all.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I might get beat a couple of times. I got
to find a way the mall is, dude, because if
he gets going early and again, you're cooked. If a
guy gets going on you, he didn't beat you with speed,
he didn't beat you with power, he didn't beat you
with a rip. Now you're like, I don't, I ain't
stop nothing. Now he's just like, oh, I'm open to
do anything.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I remember, sorry to drop names again. We were talking
to Bob Lilly and he I remember him telling us
and he was playing I can't remember who he's playing,
but he's like, I knew I had him on one
p I had one move. I knew I would get him,
and he was saving he'd say it, say it, and
it got to the game and he used that move
and works. So yeah, I guess it's just a chest mess.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Now Here's now here's the the other part to that, right,
there's another part to this. When you ain't Bob Liddy,
when you aren't Aaron do when you aren't when you
ain't like, you know, I see what I'm saying, Like, like,
we can sit here and talk about all that want,
but there's a certain cachet that those dudes brought that
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the respect level to do that and that. And but
again that's what makes the greats great is when you
have a level of we call the toolbox. When you
gonna go in your toolbox and you can pull out
anything at any point in time of the game. I'm limited.
I ain't my toolbox. Ain't that. I ain't the fastest, uh,
you know, so I gotta be technically sound. I gotta
be technically sound. I gotta do what I gotta do
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because I don't have the gifts that Dez Bryant has
or Ceedee Lamb has where they they're just gifted differently,
so they can they set things up a certain way.
I gotta be technically sound.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
You remember fighting for your life fighting.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
When the Rams won that Super Bowl, And I remember
the announcers talking at the beginning of the game where
they was running overs and unders. You know, the guard covered,
the center covered and the tackle covered over tight end
on that side, and they were just turning the protection
because they had an extra guy, and they were just
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turning the protection all game. They are handling number ninety nine,
Aaron Donald. And then when they got into that fourth quarter,
they put a guy over the guard, put a guy
over the center, and he was on one of the guards.
You can't turn the protection because they got the two
outside liney sitting out there almost a barrel, and boy,
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he came unglued on that guard and on that center
he came unglued because there was one on one and
not to me. The coach did a master of a
job and just playing the game. He called him and
that's when everybody said Aaron Donald should have won the No, no,
they gave me to the right guy. The coach just
waited too long to unleash this guy, and it happens. Man,
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when you North Turner was the same way. I mean.
We used to play the Giants and they had a
guy named Jason Seahorn, and he came in there one
that says, hey, man, they got this Jason sea Horn.
He's a good he's a good player. But Michael I
got two or three plays. We're gonna set them up
and in the fourth quarter we're gonna eat him alive.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Could you, as an offensive lineman, could you set guys up?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, I was fighting all the time. I was fighting.
Unless you if you were average, if you were just
good B minus, was not gonna stand a chance against me.
B minus. I was gonna destroy you, and North was
gonna help me destroy you. That's why you always hear
me say, give me four or five B plus players
that are do their job. Now, you're gonna catch hell
(29:46):
all day. But a B man, he almost I'm the
I'm in the dragon.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Bro Come on, man, Jason sea Horn, he a good player.
Was he the last white dB before Cooper de Gen?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The last good one probably?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
And that was what twenty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
R three, Yeah, twenty two years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Wow, wow, Kirk, can we just stay off script?
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I hate to pat you on the back, brou I
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the boys.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Bringing that truth.
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Brother. What is the wide receiver? That place for the
bucks that come from Ohio State?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Now a mecca?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
A booker? What I tell you? I told you this
dude is something else.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I'm not saying that Tyler Booker.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
B he is something else. I said, we ever heard
his name before?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Wherever?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Then they said, oh hi, I said, no, this ain't.
Jesse raised my head over here.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Oh my god, that was oh I liked him when
he was at Ohio State.
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Man.
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But the Lord and your guy ain't doing too bad either,
Bucky Irving, don't do that.
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That was your pet cat.
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Don't don't bring that up, man.
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Not if we had Bucky in you could because just.
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Either one, just eat. We ain't got to have both
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Speaker 4 (34:09):
All right, Back to the good conversation we were having about
the game flow setting people up basketball. When you watch basketball,
especially playoff basketball championship.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Basketball, you pace yourself, right.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You can't go one hundred percent from the from the
jump the whole game, or you got nothing left at
these football do you do? You pace yourself in football,
especially at a high impact position like defensive line, offensive line.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
I imagine you can't pay yourself because you just.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You to depend on who you are playing. Coach has
always got to have something back to give a different
look or a different move. Coach has always got to
be holding something back players, the great players, and even
the players that are not so great, just great film study.
As I should say, they are always gonna try to
have a little something different, are something that looks like this,
(35:04):
so they can make a move off of that. So uh,
But when you when you're just the guy, you got
to kind of put it out there. You got to
kind of put it out there. You know. If you're
a C player, you got to kind of put it out.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But if you're an A player, and first off, let
me just ask you, because you actually are the one
in the room that played basketball, do you at a
championship level pace yourself and kind of hold a little
bit back in basketball?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Basketball is so different because you play so many games. Yeah,
you got a seven games, then you got a seven
game series, you know, And honestly, even with basketball, there's
only certain so many sets in the team, especially now
in today's basketball, everything is high screen and roll right,
you dribble the ball out and eventually to get down
to picking pops, a guy got to make shots and
(35:49):
all that kind of stuff. But you do keep a wrinkle,
You keep a wrinkling that that you might look at
and go listen, if we need one, we're gonna go
to this spot right here. But basketball so much so
of a skill, right, It's it's like when it all
breaks down, can I give it to Kobe? And can
Kobe just be the best player out there? Ron Jordan,
you name the guy, Luca, you name the person. It
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gets down to that point of and then it comes
down to can you make a shot right? Because you
can have the greatest look you want and god be
wide open, does he knock it down?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I guess my question is like the physic like the
cardiophysical part.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
No, you cannot go wide or see.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I'll tell you a funny, a quick funny story where
this is when you get a chance to sit around legends.
So we're sitting at University of North Carolina in the summertime.
Basketball is big, right, like of course, but like a
lot of guys come back and so we have these
epic night runs at you and CE basketball in this
particular year or there, the great Phil phil Ford is
(36:52):
in the building. Rashee Wallace is in the building, like
you know, Jerry Stackhouse is there. There's a bunch of
you know guys that are there. And this was at
one point in time. Phil Ford was the assistant coach
or one of the assistant coaches for the Detroit Pistons,
and he said, and Rashid's telling this story, and if
you know anything about Rashid Wallace, let's just say he's
(37:14):
very colorful when he says things right, and hy Charles
Haley s very Charles haleyis very Charles haleyis. And so
he's telling this story and he's talking about making a
joke about Phil, and he goes, this was kind of
first Phil, first time in the league. And so he's like,
they're like in game two of this regular season, and
(37:36):
Detroit's not getting back on defense, kind of lacks dais
coat and stuff. And he's like, Phil Ford is like
getting up and he's like screaming at guys and and
he goes, because Phild is a Carolina guy, all the
guys are looking at me, and he's like Phil screaming, screaming,
scream He goes, eventually, I had to just tell Phil
man shit them down. He got eighty two of these
(37:57):
things screaming for game two. And it was like in
Phil Ford's right there and everyone's dying laugh. But he
had to realize, like, we got eighty two of these
things you screaming about getting back on defense. In week two, man,
shit them down. If it was like he was absolutely right,
because we do got eighty so and that's a difference
(38:18):
between basketball. You got eighty two of those things, you
know what I mean. So you kind of have to
pace yourself a little bit because you got room for
era and improvement. Football is a little bit different because
it's a it's a new play every play, and you know,
especially the guys going over top of you, like like
Nate talked about when when Jerome Brown lines up over
(38:39):
top of him, you think he got a playoff because
even at Jerome's bout Jerome because he's such an eight
plus player even as be could wear you out.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, you know what i mean.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
On the offensive line, I feel like you're just you're
you're defending your fighting right. But on like the defensive line,
do you when you if you like, I'm gonna hold
just a little bit back because in the fourth quarter
it's the tight game.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I'm gonna have a little bit extra when you act.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
When we had a couple of prayers have had in
the recents, you say, man, you ain't gonna run wide
open every play. Them guys are telling the truth because if.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
They get killed in the media. But that's the truth, right.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
If a guy if you on the back side of
a play and they you on the left side, and
they sweep that thing all the way to the right,
and you are in the boundary, and they coming out
of the boundary coming into the open side of the field,
this running back way down there, and you just jogging
and he here hopping out to cut back across the
field to where you at. You thirty yards behind. Bruh,
(39:37):
you ain't gonna just get it on your givea up.
It's trying to get this dude, and the next pray
mayby a bomb. Come on, No, bru it's physically impossible
to go one hundred percent. But seventy plays you just
have to pick and choose and hope one of them
big plays don't fall back on you when you jogging. Ye,
(39:57):
I'm being honest, Jesse.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And so when a guy says that, don't say that.
When you've been beat on a bomb and you get
caught jogging, don't say that.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I was supposed to be wide though, And that's the
best thing to say. Leave it alone, because I'm gonna
kill you, Jessic Gokey. But deep down the side we know.
Come on, man, I was beat off the line. I
didn't grab him. I should have had a holding, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Three minutes? What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (40:25):
What do I want to talk about? There was something
I wanted to ask you. Oh real quick, Jesse. You
had I don't know since a three minute conversation, but
you had a tweet yesterday guy asked you which defense
was the easiest dan Quinn Zimmers Now?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Oh, yes, yes, we should have talked about that more said.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Plus, the current defense is the easiest to play one.
How is that easier in what way?
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Well? Schematically, they're only rushing for front up front, right,
and they dropping everybody else back in coverage. So there
is no When you looked at dan Quinn and you
looked at Zim's, there was a lot of guys interchanging, right,
guys are playing in different positions. And now when I
start adding pressure, because now when I insert more guys
to the rush, that means the guys in the back
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end have to play more areas. What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Now?
Speaker 7 (41:16):
All right, if it's three wide receivers, okay, who's one,
who's two? Who's three and these guys starts changing and
switching all that kind of stuff. Who got who? So
the more guys you add to the line of scrimmage,
the more the more stretch the guys are in the
back end, your linebackers, ther dbs, your safeties. So that
that's the difference. And that was a lot of what
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Quinn did. A lot of what Zim did is that
they wanted to give these different exotic looks. You hear
that term exotic, that thing that looks it looks crazy,
it doesn't look like it's normal. That's not what even
Flush does. There's nothing exotic about what he does. His
is very formula, very based, very you know, and I
say elementary in the sense of, you know, there's not
(41:57):
a guy who is all of the sudden, now mugged
up in a line of scrimmage. But he has deep third, right,
And I mean when I say mugged up in the
line scrimmage, I mean literally standing at the line of scrimmage,
in the in the in the muck of defensive lineman.
But he got deep third. So at the snap of
the ball, he's sprinting back to a third or quarters.
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It's basically line up that ain't no disguising, there's no disguising,
there's no exotic, there's no confusion in it.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
So does that then make it it's easier to play?
But is it now easier for an offense to attack?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
And this is what we're and this is what the
thing that I've been I've been screaming about, and I
know that we're talking about. And this is why the
name that we don't no longer mention on this show
having a guy like him, because Matt Eberflus's defense up
front is predicated on talk about you hear him saying,
(42:52):
rush forward, rush forward, rush forward. Is I need four
guys up front to be able to rush forward, to
create and create pressure with my funt four so that
you don't have time to sift through the zone if
you don't, because every zone has open pockets. Like think
about a fence, a white picket fence in the front yard. Right, Yes,
(43:18):
it can stop certain things from getting through, but if
you got time, you can you can direct things through
that fence. That's what a zone is. If you got time,
he can get if you got a sharp shooter, I
can sit there waiting now because if the corner's playing
out here and his responsibility is here and the linebacker
responsibility is here. Well, we have what we now call
(43:40):
a window. And if I got time, that receiver is
gonna run through that window and I'm gonna throw it right.
But if I don't have time, now they have time
to adjust and that window becomes smaller. And if I
miss the window, I gotta wait until they get to
the next window. So that's the difference. And this is
is that there are open in spots within that zone
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that if you're not getting pressure in that quarterback, he
could stand back there like Russell Wilson did last week.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Sounds like he designed his old defense around having persons
to rush.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
That's why that is that the the grandfather of that
defense designed it that way, right. And and but those
guys normally usually stay around, not stay around that have
that pass rusher defense, Yes they have. Those guys are
the trust to believe you me three months ago even
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if it was like this is gonna work.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So is he trying to figure out a way now
on the fly, like this ain't working.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
I'm gonna have to change it.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
There's a reason why Jdavion Clowneys is here. There's a
reason why he's the one that called jerrys and Jerry,
there's a reason why he's here because they're trying to
create and and and I know I said this. I
don't know if I said this hero somewhere else, But
Jerry talked about, you know, we could manufacture pressure. Yeah, okay,
that's gonna require you to add more guys to the scrimmage.
And if you do that, guess what, You're not playing
(45:02):
in the back end. You ain't playing zone in the
back end. You just don't have the guys to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Two teams had success right quickly before we get off,
because I want to hold Chris up. The old Coats,
remember them with Elihu, with Peyton Manny, the four bringing
that pressure, paying having the ability to play that zone.
And you're talking about Tampa with one sap in the
middle of bringing the heat like that, and you got
Derek Brooks, you know, and so but right now we
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don't have those guys.
Speaker 7 (45:29):
Yeah, but you're talking about you're talking about both of
those defensive fronts have two Hall of Fames.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to give
them an idea of what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Yeah, like both of those teams had like you could
say like the Warren Sap Yes he was on the
in side, but they had deck.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
But they had another blow his fingers off to the
guy who came from the Giants, remember Paul No.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
But they're talking about those Tampa tele Derreck Brooks they had.
They had a Florida State he was out of Florida State, big,
big dude. He was there for a little bit of nice.
I can't think of his name, but those but those
Tampa two teams that ran that they had they had
a guy come off the edge as.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, and they traded for a guy from from the Cardinals.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
And then and then when you look at those coach
teams they had them, they had freeany Yeah, you know
that Simeon Rice. They had Simeon Rice coming off that
head simmy and right, what right, what joke. But then
you had you had Dwight Freedie who who has a
get off, right was cat quick underside underside and then
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he hit through that spin because that off is so quick.
You jump out there and he.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You need to get with Donovan and tell him to
pull out the spind Master tape to help him about
to say.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
Pull out what.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Good stuff today, guys, Jesse May We could do this
for five hours today.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Unfortunately, Chris tomorrow defense.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
So tomorrow Cowboys offense, Bears Defense.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Cowboys Offense, Bears Defense. Kurt, thanks for bringing it today,
field in for Jesse. Chris, thanks for keeping us on
the air. Josh, thanks for keeping him company. We'll be
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Thank you. I appreciate you like it.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
Nice pull over?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
Is that new? That's sort of yeah? Okay, you know,
trying to be like you guys, just looking good.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You look nice job, good job, yes, man, I mean
you you you sent out ideas. It's a chance, possible,
ideas welcome. Any idea is yours? Your deal? Phone calls.
So what does Clowney gonna tell us? What does kind
bring to the defense?
Speaker 5 (02:02):
I'm asking you guys. You guys are the players. What
do you think he brings to his defense? What kind
of player is he? Is he just going to be
a straight pass rusher? Is he gonna help us out
on the run defense?
Speaker 7 (02:12):
And he is?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
He?
Speaker 8 (02:13):
You know?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What's what's this guy good?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
My question is is he better than what you have?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Right? And he is? Good?
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Question?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
He is? He is better, a better run stopper and
a better uh pass rush both. Yeah. His knowledge he
came out, he was he was a beast. I think
was the I don't want no was the Texans who
brought him into the league. I think is the number
one player. Yeah. Uh, never really lived up while he
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was with the Texans to his to this to his
draft board first. But he's had some stops where he's
had ten eleven sacks. I mean, go back and look, Kurt.
Speaker 5 (02:53):
I don't want to nine nine and a half twice, that's.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Right, that's whether he's gonna Yeah, and he's had some
impact pressures and stuff like that. Uh, he's had some
impact on some teams where he's been, but it always
ultimately comes down because he's a mercenary, you know, mercenary
meaning he's the guy that he's seeking that dollar for
the last four or five years. Is like, I'm not
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going to training camp. I ain't beating myself up. I'm,
you know, the highest bidder. Sometime he wins, like he
the one with Carolina a year ago. He didn't win
with the Ravens. Ravens, he comes, prove it to us,
We'll give you four mel he signed had a light
how many sacks with Carolina nine and a half with car.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
With Baltimore Carolina, they're asking him to drop and coverage
more and do this again, he had five and a half.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Yeah, but see The thing about it was he gets
home grid when you keep him up under four meal.
So he plays a little bit tough. The mercenary go
outside and slaughter a live better.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
What do other players think of these mercenaries where you
know they're just coming in for the paycheck and.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
It is what it is. My boy was a mercenary,
you know. It was a gun slinger. That was dinn.
You know he got you know, you know, if the
money is money, right, they tight. So I mean that's
who some guys are. The great player that played with
New England cornerback for a lot of years, Jesse would
know his name. Uh he got. You know, some guys
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just do that, you know. But that that also runs
out too because you think a lot of people loving you,
but they're watching your history too, and so I think
he's better than what we have h And you hear
everybody say if he wants to, he can be a good,
a great run stopper if he wants to. But he
can pat rush that past. He's still at this late
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date and age of freak of freaking nature. He can move,
he can bend, he can make some things happen. Will
he come in and fit here? In the locker room
because you you do want to pose the question. As
a veteran guy of many wars, will he come in
and buy into your program wholeheartedly? What is he looking for?
(05:05):
Is he looking for the fifteen to twenty snaps in
past rush situation? Are you actually to do thirty snaps
and play both running and pass? This coach has said
over and over it takes a team to stop the run.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
We've heard in the you know.
Speaker 6 (05:23):
Real quick, where all has he been?
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Oh? He has started with the Texans, spent five years.
There was one year in Seattle, one year in Tennessee,
two years in Cleveland, one year in Baltimore, one year
in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I don't knowize he was that many places. Telling between
him and now the guy playing Missing Action too and
all of the war movies, I can't think of today. Yeah,
Rambo type guy. You know, he's a mercenary bro. I'm
telling you, I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
So we heard, you know, when Parsons was was traded.
Obviously we're like, oh, we we like our young talent.
We like you know, they've got three second round picks sitting.
There's defensive ends and there is easy Sam Williams and kneeling.
Now are you saying, Okay, these guys aren't what they
thought or is this gonna hamper their development?
Speaker 7 (06:15):
In him?
Speaker 1 (06:15):
The thing is kneelan is still coming off of their
knee or whatever it happened a year ago. This is
the This is my biggest issue. And uh, Jess, we're
talking about what clowney Clowney brings. This is my biggest issue.
Is what in the world is Dante doing. M I
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knew what he was trying to do the first game.
He was trying to He's supposed he was supposed to
keep contained, but he's shot inside a couple of times.
But now you you have a less mobile quarterback, which
we are me and you agree he's more mobile than
people think. As we see now, Uh what what happened
last week against a poor offensive line? Where was Filer?
(07:06):
Where was Donovan? So while the game was going on,
they said, man, we knew we wasn't gonna sign you
this week, but look again, clowning, we got an extra
five hundred thousand on the table. Come on, because that
that that hart, that that dog ain't gonna hunt. What
we saw last week is fast rush. I mean, jest,
you want to feed in.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Yeah, I think what do I think what he brings.
He brings a level of experience, and I heard Kurt
talking about, you know, progress stopper, and I don't think
he's actually a progress stopper.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
He's not.
Speaker 7 (07:34):
I think this is a guy who you bring in
and because you know, Sam Williams is the guy who
you can consider a veteran, even though he hasn't played much.
Filo is a veteran, you know, he's been around here
for a while. And Donovan as a rocket, I think
he can benefit now. I don't know what type of
person Jadavion is. I don't know if he's the type
that comes in and puts arm around the guy and
shows him the ropes, or he's just a guy that's
(07:56):
coming in. He's a mercenary and he comes in and said,
I'm coming to get mine. I'll help about where I
can help out, but it is what it is. I'll
be here for six months and I'll be on to
the next spot. They'll get some guaranteed money, right. So
if he's a guy that wraps his arm around younger players,
then as Iraku can learn from a guy I think
one of the one of the biggest problems that they're
running into is And I don't know what happened to
(08:17):
Dante Fowler, but watching him on film, the creativity, the moves,
he just didn't have it. And he's you know, he's
like it's one move and it's right down the middle
of a defender or is trying to speed around the outside.
And guys are just too talented, even the backups, it
could be too talented for you do not have something.
Even watching Donovan as Iaku him setting up his moves,
(08:39):
he's starting too early, he's telegraphing them. And so you
know that don't work against guys who's been in the league.
And even because think about it, even a guy like
the backup left tackle that they had, third string guy
you know in Bao, right Obao, however you pronounce his
last name. He works against kvon Tip but old Brian
(09:00):
burn At the whole car that every single day. So
if you don't bring something greater than what they do,
and he's like, well, you ain't faster than that, dude,
You ain't strong as Burns and you ain't as a
combo of Thibodeau. I can just sit and wait on you, right,
And so most of the time if you're not bringing
something special to the table where you're setting your moves
(09:21):
up and watch guys like Michael Parsons his get off,
watch guys like you know, turn on YouTube and watch
guys like the Marcus where is their moves are when
they're they're not doing their moves two steps before they
get to the tackle. That's that's a tackle. Will go
thank you. As soon as you come out that spin,
I'll be ready right here with they get right up
(09:42):
on him, chop spin out of that thing, and now
he leaning forward in ebat. So it's all about that.
And I think that's what you bring in when you're
added to daveon Clowney, is you bring a guy who's
ready made. You bring a guy in who has everything
that you want. Has past rush moves, can defend the run,
can get to the pastor but it's it's it's instant,
it's right out the box.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
So is this maybe not so much they're not getting
enough out of those second round young guys, but they're
not getting enough out of foul.
Speaker 7 (10:08):
They ain't getting enough out of no nobody right like
right now, Kenny Clark is your best run stopper. And
he's your best pressure quarterback guy, like your past rusher.
So that's coming from your guy's playing in the middle.
They're not getting anything from those guys on the outside.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You remember when we was talking about lip Key and
I'm going to act last year, we was talking about
a number nine Kavon.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
Cavante.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Cavante. These guys are great if you have it going on.
They told Missus Jones that they can manufacture sacks. You
can only manufacture sacks when when you're front four is
a threat. When your front four is not a threat,
you ain't managed manufacturing nothing because you everywhere you go,
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you have to have one guy that demands the double team.
Now you can set up everything else. But if you
got an extra guy, I'm blocking these guys four on
five and you got an extra guy and are running
back in the backfield, blitz what do whatever you want
because I'm gonna eat you alive. So that's what happened.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Soay Jerry was up in the suite and he was like,
the factory is broke, a factory is out of business.
Get me somebody.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
When Russell Wilson is throwing for four hundred and fifty
yards on you like yeah, and it's within your division.
So he's looking at like, hey, I gotta see this
guy one more time. Yep, right, I gotta see this
team one more time. I also got to see the
young kid in Washington twice, and I gotta go back
again to see Jalen Hurts again. Like within the division.
(11:50):
I need to create some because if I don't have it,
Jayleen Hurts will go run around all day long. Right,
and now I'm seeing I get Russell Wilson looked like
super ball. Russell Wilson on Sunday.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
And you know what happened.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
Shoty went out in his press conference was that on
Thursday or Friday and said, the best long ball I've
ever seen, the way he throws it just made it.
Speaker 6 (12:13):
But those balls he threw that one.
Speaker 7 (12:17):
That that's always that's always been Russell Wilson's game. The
problem how you get him off that game? Pressure you pressure,
And what happened the one time Sam Williams showed up
in the in overtime got pressure to Russell? What did
he do? He punted the ball to Donovan Wilson Because
if he if he didn't have pressure, if we're being honest,
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he might have fit one in there to the sideline.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And you know what's fun, Donovan still wont devis des.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
He still had to come up again.
Speaker 7 (12:50):
He still wasn't.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
He dropped one that that last one that he dropped
in there. They showed on to replay and this dude
had his hands over his eyes. He dropped it so
pretty in theore to his hands.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Was that fifty forty something yards in just in the
air and he couldn't even see it.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It just right in his hands. Man, I said to
myself that I had to listen to these dudes all
week long. Tell me how Russell Wilson Wasn't Russell Wilson fans,
this is my hit. It's only one show you should
be listening to hanging with them?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
What was the purpose?
Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I think I know, but I don't know some
I'm going to ask because I learned a lot on
the show. Putting Jackson Dart in there for those places,
was that just to get him used to being in
a game situation because everybody in the stadium knew he
was not throwing the ball when he went in there.
They put him in there what three or four times?
Was the first time. It's kind of like Okay, what's
(13:55):
gonna happen?
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And then you realize he called it that was a
Michael from Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Move surprised they were putting Hm in their late I
could say, yeah, like a little experience maybe.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
But what happens is now your defense is scrambling because
you you you heard about a Jackson Dark packaging happening.
Now what is it? There's nothing on film that shows
us what the package is going to be. And the
run play that he had, they ran the same play
early in the game. Russell just uh Russell slid at
the two yards right and then they ran it again
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and Jackson Dark slipped in the backfield right. Then they
ran it again. They ran it again and Scatterboo got through,
got through for the what you call it? So you're
you're saying, well, what do we do? Because the first
thing you think about is when you insert him, is
that he's gonna run it, not that he's gonna pass it.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
So it was more of him being a running threat
than then.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
A running threat, almost like the Jalen Hurts kind of
he's gonna rp o it and then come out the
back end. And again, I only need the guys to
go over a half a step to get my linement
up on it, and it worked to perfection, and they
got the big run by Skataboo. So those things and
now that's out there in the universe there. If you
probably watch a Giants game this week, they're probably running
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package out there and he'll throw it this time. And
now you got to prepare for a run for a
throw those type of things that they want to put
in there for him throughout the year.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, okay, no, and let me say this be whore.
We go to the break, ladies and gentlemen, the Cowboys
are back to themselves. We have introduced a new running
back to the league and his name is Scatterboo. Thank you.
If you want a new running back be introduced to
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Speaker 4 (18:02):
Question for y'a before we get back into the show,
you've been you talk two shows in a row now
about the get off right, about the defensive guys seeing
Micah and I remember DeMarcus where like I don't think
anybody was faster than him.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Getting off the ball. How as a defensive end lineman whatever,
And I.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Understand you you can pick your spots and there's tails
and you can you can a few times a game
get off the ball as it's moving back. How do
those guys that are consistently they're like moving with the ball,
like not like waiting for the ball to move, like
if you watch the good one, the great ones, when
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the ball's moving, they're moving with it.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
And to me, that's not just reaction time.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
That's film like how.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Though, And it's like play after play after play.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
It's not just two or three times a game where
you can be like, oh, he's got this tell and he.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Is this it's yes, they do they got they they
recognized something that gives them an advantage. All the great
ones have it. And they a lot of them don't
have to look for you know. They they look a
couple of times, oh yeah, and then they start they'll
continue to watch them. They'll go back, Okay, he did
it this game, he did it.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
So maybe they maybe maybe they twitch the fingers something
before the ball the.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Right guard uh, you know, get tense, you know, they
find a way. Man.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
So it's like playing tell, and then you don't tell
anybody else.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
What you No, you're not not even your teammates. You
don't share it, not even your teammates. That's your thing.
Like Michael Jordan used to be like, come on, all
of y'all, come practice with me. Then Kobe adapted, all
y'all come practice with me. He ran joking around, just
doing little stuff to make you do react. So in
the game he take advantage the great ones. It's just
(19:56):
something about them or the things like that.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Ahead minds me that Randy White, we interviewed him a
while back for the documentary and he was telling us
that he got into all that come from. He said
he would practice on you. Yeah, you and you and
I can't remember who was ahead of him, but before
you pissed you.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Off, man, he will hurt you.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
This how you got better was because this old.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Man had like tusks, like an elephant tusk. This dude
to hurt you. Man, he would be chopping down on
your wrists, jamming your fingers, hitting your elbows. I mean
he used to be. And then he would go out
to practice and you know, how to be on the
wood and all.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Of the hard yeah bones and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Looking at it. Man, if you want my teammate, bro,
we'll be fighting every day.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
Man, that's a real thing. A lot of those m
m A guys, especially in Thailand, they'll take wine bottles
and they'll roll, they'll roll it on their shins. Kill
all the nerve endings.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
That what it's before I couldn't understand.
Speaker 6 (21:01):
Yeah, kills the nerve endings.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
So when you when you kick somebody, you can't feel it,
another person feels it, and then it calcifies your It
calcifies your bones.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Counting the movie Count Yeah, sorry, that's a great movie.
I got to watch too.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
No, that's that's good and the same thing.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Or I know there's tails or there tails in the
like wide receiver position, in the in the dB position,
Like you work all game to set somebody up for
when you need it.
Speaker 7 (21:30):
Right, Yeah I did. I just did a breakdown on
my other show about how Shoddy and George Picking set
up his touchdown right and and I just basically just
said that whenever you come into a game offensively or defensively,
you get your game plan for the week. And if
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you're an offensive guy, they highlight the top of your
playbook or they got our passed down on what it
looks like now on I pass. But you know you're
going to that meeting on Monday. They go, all right,
we're taking on said team for the Cowboys. It's all right,
offensively three eighty eight four. Here's what we got to
make sure that we're doing. And when you think about
George Pickens, you know you're looking at and coach is
(22:14):
probably you know, preaching it all week long. Hey, he's
gonna run the go route. He's gonna run the go route.
When he runs the go route, Hey, slants, these are
so he's gonna run slants, man and go routes. And
he's preaching it until you and over time, you just
you you're logging that into your brain. Throughout practicing, you're
trying to work on that, and then you get into
the game. And if you watch the game, George Pickens
(22:35):
is not running many routes. He's running goals. He's running
slants here, running occasional over here, may run a dig
behind it, but he's running to some of the very
simple routes that he's running. Well, what do they do.
They set them up on the left side and he
runs a slant and then he runs a go and
there's a slant and there's a go. Then they get
to the red zone and on his touchdown, when you
watch it, he come off the ball, he jabs inside
(22:56):
what looks like a slant and then he releases like
he's running the go running out route and the dB
opens up this way and now he's like, oh, hi,
comes the go route. He opened up to go play
the go route out route front pylon touchdown, And so
those type of things are always being put into into motion,
right because you already you know when to Cavante Turpet
comes into the field. First thing, you think about speed, right,
(23:19):
So I'm always thinking he's fast, and then you have
you have to be able to game plan off that.
So you're always playing this chess match of I know
what you know, I know what you are, you know
what I am, and how can I use that to
my advantage? And sometimes you'll do things in the first quarter,
in the second quarter, and you're like, all right, I
set them up. So now when there's money time, third quarter,
(23:40):
fourth quarter, I'm like, coach, man, if we do this,
I've been setting them up all day. And the greats
do that. The greats understand that, and I know they
talked about it. He talked about it against for Jared
Verse when they had the Inscrimmage practice, and he was like,
He's like, listen, man, what Jared Versus doing to isl
in practice ain't what he gonna do to y'all in
the game. He's like, y'all think of y'all blocking him
(24:03):
the whole time. He's setting y'all up. Sure enough, game
time it looked different and he's like, man, he might
do something over here. You're like, oh, yeah, I got him,
you know, you feeling confident about him in the game
time he two times faster, three times stronger, and you
like that ain't what I saw. That ain't what I
saw in practice. And so that's how the greats work
through it, you know, all game long, and to get
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that slight advantage when they need it the most.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
I'm gonna tell you something. Their kid in Green Bay.
I mean, when the Commanders was playing Green Bay. And
this is where Richard Dent was good. This is where
all the greats have been good. This is where Michael
is exceptional. It's the fact that at the beginning of
the game, the Marcus Sware used to do the same thing.
It's the beginning of the game. Their first two rushers,
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they're gonna give your medium speed, they're gonna give you
seventy five, and you're gonna ease yourself out there. You know,
you're gonna ease yourself out there. And they waiting for
that one time for you to drop that foot a
little bit too much and turn and turn your butt
to the sideline. They either gonna dip dip or they
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gonna hit right back inside. And Dent was good at that.
It's just setting you up, setting you up. When I
saw what Verse was doing in training camp, I wanted
to go up to Nate Thomas and say that was
not real. I'm telling you that it was not real
because he was just setting him up. And you, when
you are great, you can do that when you're the
(25:34):
average guy. Come on off the rock man, dude. Yeah,
just that is so good man. How you you know
telling us about it?
Speaker 7 (25:44):
And even even like guys like you know used to
watch Aaron Donald right from the from the from the
middle of the defense. Right one play he'll come off
and it's get you right. Then the next play he
power you and now you're sitting there, you're like, all right,
what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Now?
Speaker 7 (25:57):
Now he come off and he jack you up and
pull you away, and now you're going and now he's
unabated to the quarterback because.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Then there's three different things that he just did to you,
and you're like, what's next?
Speaker 7 (26:07):
So now, so now what is up happening? Is you? You?
You sitting there waiting to go do something and he
boomed he's so so those are the it's and now
once I get you like that, Like you know, Nate
even said that by himself. He was just like, man,
when I go up against Jerome Brown, I got I'm
in a dog fight. So it ain't gonna be no technique, y'all.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Listen.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
I might get beat a couple of times. I got
to find a way the mall is, dude, because if
he gets going early and again, you're cooked. If a
guy gets going on you, he didn't beat you with speed,
he didn't beat you with power, he didn't beat you
with a rip. Now you're like, I don't, I ain't
stop nothing. Now he's just like, oh, I'm open to
do anything.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
I remember, sorry to drop names again. We were talking
to Bob Lilly and he I remember him telling us
and he was playing I can't remember who he's playing,
but he's like, I knew I had him on one
p I had one move. I knew I would get him,
and he was saving he'd say it, say it, and
it got to the game and he used that move
and works. So yeah, I guess it's just a chest mess.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Now Here's now here's the the other part to that, right,
there's another part to this. When you ain't Bob Liddy,
when you aren't Aaron do when you aren't when you
ain't like, you know, I see what I'm saying, Like, like,
we can sit here and talk about all that want,
but there's a certain cachet that those dudes brought that
(27:23):
the respect level to do that and that. And but
again that's what makes the greats great is when you
have a level of we call the toolbox. When you
gonna go in your toolbox and you can pull out
anything at any point in time of the game. I'm limited.
I ain't my toolbox. Ain't that. I ain't the fastest, uh,
you know, so I gotta be technically sound. I gotta
be technically sound. I gotta do what I gotta do
(27:44):
because I don't have the gifts that Dez Bryant has
or Ceedee Lamb has where they they're just gifted differently,
so they can they set things up a certain way.
I gotta be technically sound.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
You remember fighting for your life fighting.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
When the Rams won that Super Bowl, And I remember
the announcers talking at the beginning of the game where
they was running overs and unders. You know, the guard covered,
the center covered and the tackle covered over tight end
on that side, and they were just turning the protection
because they had an extra guy, and they were just
(28:21):
turning the protection all game. They are handling number ninety nine,
Aaron Donald. And then when they got into that fourth quarter,
they put a guy over the guard, put a guy
over the center, and he was on one of the guards.
You can't turn the protection because they got the two
outside liney sitting out there almost a barrel, and boy,
(28:42):
he came unglued on that guard and on that center
he came unglued because there was one on one and
not to me. The coach did a master of a
job and just playing the game. He called him and
that's when everybody said Aaron Donald should have won the No, no,
they gave me to the right guy. The coach just
waited too long to unleash this guy, and it happens. Man,
(29:03):
when you North Turner was the same way. I mean.
We used to play the Giants and they had a
guy named Jason Seahorn, and he came in there one
that says, hey, man, they got this Jason sea Horn.
He's a good he's a good player. But Michael I
got two or three plays. We're gonna set them up
and in the fourth quarter we're gonna eat him alive.
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Could you, as an offensive lineman, could you set guys up?
Speaker 8 (29:24):
No?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
No, I was fighting all the time. I was fighting.
Unless you if you were average, if you were just
good B minus, was not gonna stand a chance against me.
B minus. I was gonna destroy you, and North was
gonna help me destroy you. That's why you always hear
me say, give me four or five B plus players
that are do their job. Now, you're gonna catch hell
(29:46):
all day. But a B man, he almost I'm the
I'm in the dragon.
Speaker 6 (29:50):
Bro Come on, man, Jason sea Horn, he a good player.
Was he the last white dB before Cooper de Gen?
Speaker 1 (30:00):
The last good one probably?
Speaker 6 (30:03):
And that was what twenty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
R three, Yeah, twenty two years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:10):
Wow, wow, Kirk, can we just stay off script?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I know we always go off script, but I have
more questions about setting up in the and like this
is a good car. Let's keep talking about this when
we come back take our last break.
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Speaker 1 (33:12):
I hate to pat you on the back, brou I
hate too, but I love to once again hanging with
the boys.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Bringing that truth.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Brother. What is the wide receiver? That place for the
bucks that come from Ohio State?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Now a mecca?
Speaker 1 (33:28):
A booker? What I tell you? I told you this
dude is something else.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
I'm not saying that Tyler Booker.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
B he is something else. I said, we ever heard
his name before?
Speaker 7 (33:40):
Wherever?
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Then they said, oh hi, I said, no, this ain't.
Jesse raised my head over here.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
Oh my god, that was oh I liked him when
he was at Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Man.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
But the Lord and your guy ain't doing too bad either,
Bucky Irving, don't do that.
Speaker 6 (33:54):
That was your pet cat.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Don't don't bring that up, man.
Speaker 7 (33:58):
Not if we had Bucky in you could because just.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Either one, just eat. We ain't got to have both
of them, just one.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
All right, Back to the good conversation we were having about
the game flow setting people up basketball. When you watch basketball,
especially playoff basketball championship.
Speaker 6 (34:20):
Basketball, you pace yourself, right.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
You can't go one hundred percent from the from the
jump the whole game, or you got nothing left at
these football do you do? You pace yourself in football,
especially at a high impact position like defensive line, offensive line.
Speaker 6 (34:40):
I imagine you can't pay yourself because you just.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
You to depend on who you are playing. Coach has
always got to have something back to give a different
look or a different move. Coach has always got to
be holding something back players, the great players, and even
the players that are not so great, just great film study.
As I should say, they are always gonna try to
have a little something different, are something that looks like this,
(35:04):
so they can make a move off of that. So uh,
But when you when you're just the guy, you got
to kind of put it out there. You got to
kind of put it out there. You know. If you're
a C player, you got to kind of put it out.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But if you're an A player, and first off, let
me just ask you, because you actually are the one
in the room that played basketball, do you at a
championship level pace yourself and kind of hold a little
bit back in basketball?
Speaker 7 (35:28):
Basketball is so different because you play so many games. Yeah,
you got a seven games, then you got a seven
game series, you know, And honestly, even with basketball, there's
only certain so many sets in the team, especially now
in today's basketball, everything is high screen and roll right,
you dribble the ball out and eventually to get down
to picking pops, a guy got to make shots and
(35:49):
all that kind of stuff. But you do keep a wrinkle,
You keep a wrinkling that that you might look at
and go listen, if we need one, we're gonna go
to this spot right here. But basketball so much so
of a skill, right, It's it's like when it all
breaks down, can I give it to Kobe? And can
Kobe just be the best player out there? Ron Jordan,
you name the guy, Luca, you name the person. It
(36:10):
gets down to that point of and then it comes
down to can you make a shot right? Because you
can have the greatest look you want and god be
wide open, does he knock it down?
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I guess my question is like the physic like the
cardiophysical part.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
No, you cannot go wide or see.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
I'll tell you a funny, a quick funny story where
this is when you get a chance to sit around legends.
So we're sitting at University of North Carolina in the summertime.
Basketball is big, right, like of course, but like a
lot of guys come back and so we have these
epic night runs at you and CE basketball in this
particular year or there, the great Phil phil Ford is
(36:52):
in the building. Rashee Wallace is in the building, like
you know, Jerry Stackhouse is there. There's a bunch of
you know guys that are there. And this was at
one point in time. Phil Ford was the assistant coach
or one of the assistant coaches for the Detroit Pistons,
and he said, and Rashid's telling this story, and if
you know anything about Rashid Wallace, let's just say he's
(37:14):
very colorful when he says things right, and hy Charles
Haley s very Charles haleyis very Charles haleyis. And so
he's telling this story and he's talking about making a
joke about Phil, and he goes, this was kind of
first Phil, first time in the league. And so he's like,
they're like in game two of this regular season, and
(37:36):
Detroit's not getting back on defense, kind of lacks dais
coat and stuff. And he's like, Phil Ford is like
getting up and he's like screaming at guys and and
he goes, because Phild is a Carolina guy, all the
guys are looking at me, and he's like Phil screaming, screaming,
scream He goes, eventually, I had to just tell Phil
man shit them down. He got eighty two of these
(37:57):
things screaming for game two. And it was like in
Phil Ford's right there and everyone's dying laugh. But he
had to realize, like, we got eighty two of these
things you screaming about getting back on defense. In week two, man,
shit them down. If it was like he was absolutely right,
because we do got eighty so and that's a difference
(38:18):
between basketball. You got eighty two of those things, you
know what I mean. So you kind of have to
pace yourself a little bit because you got room for
era and improvement. Football is a little bit different because
it's a it's a new play every play, and you know,
especially the guys going over top of you, like like
Nate talked about when when Jerome Brown lines up over
(38:39):
top of him, you think he got a playoff because
even at Jerome's bout Jerome because he's such an eight
plus player even as be could wear you out.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, you know what i mean.
Speaker 4 (38:50):
On the offensive line, I feel like you're just you're
you're defending your fighting right. But on like the defensive line,
do you when you if you like, I'm gonna hold
just a little bit back because in the fourth quarter
it's the tight game.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
I'm gonna have a little bit extra when you act.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
When we had a couple of prayers have had in
the recents, you say, man, you ain't gonna run wide
open every play. Them guys are telling the truth because if.
Speaker 6 (39:13):
They get killed in the media. But that's the truth, right.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
If a guy if you on the back side of
a play and they you on the left side, and
they sweep that thing all the way to the right,
and you are in the boundary, and they coming out
of the boundary coming into the open side of the field,
this running back way down there, and you just jogging
and he here hopping out to cut back across the
field to where you at. You thirty yards behind. Bruh,
(39:37):
you ain't gonna just get it on your givea up.
It's trying to get this dude, and the next pray
mayby a bomb. Come on, No, bru it's physically impossible
to go one hundred percent. But seventy plays you just
have to pick and choose and hope one of them
big plays don't fall back on you when you jogging. Ye,
(39:57):
I'm being honest, Jesse.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
And so when a guy says that, don't say that.
When you've been beat on a bomb and you get
caught jogging, don't say that.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Now.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
I was supposed to be wide though, And that's the
best thing to say. Leave it alone, because I'm gonna
kill you, Jessic Gokey. But deep down the side we know.
Come on, man, I was beat off the line. I
didn't grab him. I should have had a holding, Kurt.
Speaker 6 (40:23):
Three minutes? What do you want to talk about?
Speaker 5 (40:25):
What do I want to talk about? There was something
I wanted to ask you. Oh real quick, Jesse. You
had I don't know since a three minute conversation, but
you had a tweet yesterday guy asked you which defense
was the easiest dan Quinn Zimmers Now?
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Oh, yes, yes, we should have talked about that more said.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Plus, the current defense is the easiest to play one.
How is that easier in what way?
Speaker 7 (40:50):
Well? Schematically, they're only rushing for front up front, right,
and they dropping everybody else back in coverage. So there
is no When you looked at dan Quinn and you
looked at Zim's, there was a lot of guys interchanging, right,
guys are playing in different positions. And now when I
start adding pressure, because now when I insert more guys
to the rush, that means the guys in the back
(41:11):
end have to play more areas. What does that mean?
Speaker 1 (41:15):
Now?
Speaker 7 (41:16):
All right, if it's three wide receivers, okay, who's one,
who's two? Who's three and these guys starts changing and
switching all that kind of stuff. Who got who? So
the more guys you add to the line of scrimmage,
the more the more stretch the guys are in the
back end, your linebackers, ther dbs, your safeties. So that
that's the difference. And that was a lot of what
(41:37):
Quinn did. A lot of what Zim did is that
they wanted to give these different exotic looks. You hear
that term exotic, that thing that looks it looks crazy,
it doesn't look like it's normal. That's not what even
Flush does. There's nothing exotic about what he does. His
is very formula, very based, very you know, and I
say elementary in the sense of, you know, there's not
(41:57):
a guy who is all of the sudden, now mugged
up in a line of scrimmage. But he has deep third, right,
And I mean when I say mugged up in the
line scrimmage, I mean literally standing at the line of scrimmage,
in the in the in the muck of defensive lineman.
But he got deep third. So at the snap of
the ball, he's sprinting back to a third or quarters.
(42:20):
It's basically line up that ain't no disguising, there's no disguising,
there's no exotic, there's no confusion in it.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
So does that then make it it's easier to play?
But is it now easier for an offense to attack?
Speaker 1 (42:32):
Yes?
Speaker 7 (42:32):
And this is what we're and this is what the
thing that I've been I've been screaming about, and I
know that we're talking about. And this is why the
name that we don't no longer mention on this show
having a guy like him, because Matt Eberflus's defense up
front is predicated on talk about you hear him saying,
(42:52):
rush forward, rush forward, rush forward. Is I need four
guys up front to be able to rush forward, to
create and create pressure with my funt four so that
you don't have time to sift through the zone if
you don't, because every zone has open pockets. Like think
about a fence, a white picket fence in the front yard. Right, Yes,
(43:18):
it can stop certain things from getting through, but if
you got time, you can you can direct things through
that fence. That's what a zone is. If you got time,
he can get if you got a sharp shooter, I
can sit there waiting now because if the corner's playing
out here and his responsibility is here and the linebacker
responsibility is here. Well, we have what we now call
(43:40):
a window. And if I got time, that receiver is
gonna run through that window and I'm gonna throw it right.
But if I don't have time, now they have time
to adjust and that window becomes smaller. And if I
miss the window, I gotta wait until they get to
the next window. So that's the difference. And this is
is that there are open in spots within that zone
(44:02):
that if you're not getting pressure in that quarterback, he
could stand back there like Russell Wilson did last week.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Sounds like he designed his old defense around having persons
to rush.
Speaker 7 (44:12):
That's why that is that the the grandfather of that
defense designed it that way, right. And and but those
guys normally usually stay around, not stay around that have
that pass rusher defense, Yes they have. Those guys are
the trust to believe you me three months ago even
(44:34):
if it was like this is gonna work.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
So is he trying to figure out a way now
on the fly, like this ain't working.
Speaker 6 (44:40):
I'm gonna have to change it.
Speaker 7 (44:41):
There's a reason why Jdavion Clowneys is here. There's a
reason why he's the one that called jerrys and Jerry,
there's a reason why he's here because they're trying to
create and and and I know I said this. I
don't know if I said this hero somewhere else, But
Jerry talked about, you know, we could manufacture pressure. Yeah, okay,
that's gonna require you to add more guys to the scrimmage.
And if you do that, guess what, You're not playing
(45:02):
in the back end. You ain't playing zone in the
back end. You just don't have the guys to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
Two teams had success right quickly before we get off,
because I want to hold Chris up. The old Coats,
remember them with Elihu, with Peyton Manny, the four bringing
that pressure, paying having the ability to play that zone.
And you're talking about Tampa with one sap in the
middle of bringing the heat like that, and you got
Derek Brooks, you know, and so but right now we
(45:28):
don't have those guys.
Speaker 7 (45:29):
Yeah, but you're talking about you're talking about both of
those defensive fronts have two Hall of Fames.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to give
them an idea of what you're saying.
Speaker 7 (45:38):
Yeah, like both of those teams had like you could
say like the Warren Sap Yes he was on the
in side, but they had deck.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
But they had another blow his fingers off to the
guy who came from the Giants, remember Paul No.
Speaker 7 (45:53):
But they're talking about those Tampa tele Derreck Brooks they had.
They had a Florida State he was out of Florida State, big,
big dude. He was there for a little bit of nice.
I can't think of his name, but those but those
Tampa two teams that ran that they had they had
a guy come off the edge as.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Well, and they traded for a guy from from the Cardinals.
Speaker 7 (46:12):
And then and then when you look at those coach
teams they had them, they had freeany Yeah, you know
that Simeon Rice. They had Simeon Rice coming off that
head simmy and right, what right, what joke. But then
you had you had Dwight Freedie who who has a
get off, right was cat quick underside underside and then
(46:34):
he hit through that spin because that off is so quick.
You jump out there and he.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
You need to get with Donovan and tell him to
pull out the spind Master tape to help him about
to say.
Speaker 7 (46:43):
Pull out what.
Speaker 4 (46:47):
Good stuff today, guys, Jesse May We could do this
for five hours today.
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Unfortunately, Chris tomorrow defense.
Speaker 7 (46:53):
So tomorrow Cowboys offense, Bears Defense.
Speaker 4 (46:56):
Cowboys Offense, Bears Defense. Kurt, thanks for bringing it today,
field in for Jesse. Chris, thanks for keeping us on
the air. Josh, thanks for keeping him company. We'll be
back tomorrow Hanging with the Boys.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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