August 29, 2025 • 50 mins
Let’s talk trade! So is this a good deal for the Cowboys? Or did they make a big mistake? What’s the direction going forward? They’ve got money to spend and resources to use, so can this be a quick turnaround? Or are we in for a long recovery? Nate also shares how he negotiated with Jimmy Johnson as we talk all things Micah Parsons.
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Why are you so? Why are you this way? Why
are you this?
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I'm excited, I am excited.
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Nate Newton canceled his trip.
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To Canton, Ohio to spend the day with us to
talk about the news that broke yesterday.
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His flight must be delayed, got cancel.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
And people was destrawd in Cleveland. We had a shot
at and we could have a dual threat.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh man, so many questions.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, We're gonna open the phones at some point,
just from what I've seen on social media.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Eighty eight eight five five to two two non sense.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You might have been on hold for a while because
it might be a minute, because we got a lot
to say.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I got like for the first time ever, I have
a list of questions for y'all.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But last night, seven years, seven years, I finally put up.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So before we get into the details and the and
get down into the weeds in this overall high level
thoughts on trading Michael Parsons, What you got back for him?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Do you do you like it or dislike? What happened yesterday?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
We got Clark, a defensive tackle nine years in, came
in with Zeke. We got two first round picks with
twenty six and twenty seven. Is that saying that right?
Uh uh? Some people said, uh it was undervalue, that
they should have got more. I think they got what
they could get in the situation that it was in. Uh,
(02:56):
I have no I have no problems with the trade
me personal, I have no problems with it.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Kurt, Yeah, I mean it. You know, like everybody else
was shocked.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes, I was not shocked. I thought Lukadc I was shocked.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
I was like more so because he wasn't going through
a contract thing at the time. But I just, you know,
I thought they'd wind up, last minute thing like I
always do, get it done. But now that I've had
a time to sleep on it, I'm starting to Maybe
it's the fan in me, but I'm starting to kind
of see the reasoning and feeling a little bit better
about it. At least that's what I'm telling myself.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Jesse, shocked, you are really I was not shocked.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Shocked. Do you like it?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Do you like what they got back?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Do you hate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I do?
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I'm I'm sorry, And this is coming from a dude
who you guys remember what I went through a year ago.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I was at war with his mama, his brother him.
You remember that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh yeah, a year ago, Michael. We had to tiptoe
around some topics. Yeah, wow, yeah, I hated it. There
are two positions and this let me say this first.
We come in here weekend, week out, month and month out,
season in, season out, and we talk about the jimmies
(04:23):
and Joe's your scheme don't mean a hill of beans.
If you don't have the jimmies and Joel's good enough
to execute it, you gave away arguably.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
The best player on your team. Yeah, and the best
rusher in the league for picks that we don't know
what they're going to.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Be fifty to fifty maybe.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
The two positions that you chase the most when you're drafting,
when you're building an NFL football team, quarterback, Russian. Those
are two, and you had one. You had one of
(05:20):
the best. And people are gonna say he was greedy,
he was no one can say more about him than
I said. I told you guys, he was selfish. I
told you guys, he wasn't well liked in some parts
of this building. I told you guys, he wasn't a leader.
I told Michaeh. I looked right into that camera, right there,
and I told Mikah, stop telling people that you're a leader.
(05:44):
Stop telling folks that you want to be a leader.
All you have to do is just go be the
best damn football player in the National Football League.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
But for whatever reason, he got caught up in this
hole I have to be a leader thing, and he
wasn't good at it. He failed at it. I'm okay
with you being selfish at times. Some of the great
ones are just don't pee in my eye. Telling me
is rating that you're a leader. And he kept trying
(06:15):
to push that narrative, and I kept pushing back and saying,
you're not, You're not.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I was shocked. I was shocked.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
And your football team as we sit today on August
twenty ninth, is not better than it was twenty four
hours ago.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's where I stand.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, interesting, all right, I don't even know.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
I think that's most people's feelings what you're saying. I
think we're getting a lot of mailback, feedback and all that,
and there's a lot of people that are, oh, this
is good, it's better, I like it, whatever, because there's
the reasons you mentioned, But Muster are like, what the
heck can we do?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
And let's be honest, like what we talk about, and Nate,
you are the perfect person to have an illustration of
this when it comes to a talented distraction or a
talent that comes with some distractions. Right, Micah's distractions weren't
(07:13):
what the distraction that you and your teammates had to
deal with.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Micah's distractions. Are you got a podcast?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Everybody has a podcast.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
He doesn't say the right things all the time on
his podcast and maybe support the guys in his locker room.
He may have some guests in that podcast that and
you can call me a hypocrite or whatever. I'm always
gonna stand on the place of if he's talented enough,
if she's talented enough, we're gonna deal with some bull.
(07:47):
We just are now when your talent diminished, we ain't dealing.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
With that bull.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
I play with a guy like that. But death Brian
was here and his talent was up here. They dealt
with missing late for planes, late for buses, sleeping in meetings,
cussing folks out, cussing coaches out, doing what you want,
not practicing, not rehabit, not working out. Boy, you get
(08:14):
them in that backshold of fading the red zone. Not
a mofo in this league to stop him. And then
when that diminished, and then you know it's you're yelling
on the sidelines and it's it's he's passionate. You know,
in practice, you can't guard me. You can't guard me.
You can't guard me fighting with teammates. It's passion, it
was excitement, it was raw rah. That talent, diminished distraction,
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that distraction, malcontent.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Get him out of here. I'm like, I'm with it.
They hunt them a talentphi and.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
That's the that's the nature of the beast. When you
are talented, you control the cards. You can be a
little funky in the way that you act. And I
know people don't want to hear it.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
That's how the league is. Pick sport, pick a sport.
The best players get to do what the hell they
want on and off the field, on and off the field.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
You don't gotta like it.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
And Nate, you can stop me anytime you want to
stop me and call me a liar.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
M h.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
It's the way that I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But that one in a hundred times. We're sitting at
it right now. What I'm trying to tell you, so,
if you love the trade, if you don't like the trade,
if you bleed with Jesse saying, if you feel a
little bit curtish, if you this guy here just totally confused.
Guess what, y'all.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
No more Parsons. No, no more Parsons. And that is
what I tried to tell people when this first started,
the war of words.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The war of trade me, not trade me. Is he
good enough? Is he not good enough? NONEA that matters
right now because today it starts with Philadelphia. And I
understand he's the hot topic. But you know what, you
think the other guy's gonna stop playing. Here's some guys
(10:18):
back there behind Parsons saying, you know what, we love
you to death. Brother. I taxed him and said, boy
you got paid.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Congratulations, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But I got to try to eat this thing up.
And I'm with you, Jess. We put up with some
weird characters, and I was one of them. We put
up with some weird characters. But brother Parsons, I said
it earlier, I'm gonna say it again. Be all you
could be in Green Bay because you went to you
going to another iconic franchise. Do your thing. Brother. I
(10:50):
hope you get fifteen to twenty sacks. That's what you pay.
That's what they're paying you for. Fifteen to twenty sacks.
You were elite. You've always felt you was elite. You
was to me. You're a very good player here, a
very great pass rusher. Now let's see if you're gonna
be elite. I mean, what can we do? We got
(11:10):
to tell Isaiah Land they just signed Hey man, you
ain't gonna be Parsons. And he wasn't never Parsons. He
ain't gonna never be Parsons. But you know what you
do your thing, You do the best you can. This
team here were they going to the playoffs. The bottom
line is just right here. It's all about the playoffs.
Mister Jones said he got a running. It's gonna take
(11:30):
five or six weeks to build this team where you
needed to build for it to be competitive, for everybody
to get in the groove. You don't know what this
team gonna be now. I do agree with him when
he says we were better with Parsons, especially the defense.
They were better with Parsons, But that was last year's team.
(11:55):
This year here, we won't even get to say it
because what happens from this point on.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We're gonna treat this like a relationship.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Okay, when you first break up with somebody, nobody wants
to hear it, but you need to talk through it
for therapy for yourself, just to just to get through
it right.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
So today today is our therapy day.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
We're gonna talk about it, and we probably won't talk
about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Until week four because it's done. Like like like Nate.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Said, this is a done deal with none deal man,
and like today we'll.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Talk about what we think happened and why it happened.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And I know what happened.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Ramifications and how it got to.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
That point will tell us I know, man, you know,
can let me take a stab out and you tell
me if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I think.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Jerry being Jerry and his great comment by the way,
ask Dak how it worked out right, But if you
didn't listen to the press or go back and listen to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It, because there's a lot of little nuggets in there.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But I think Jerry did Jerry things, and he negotiated
with the player and thought they had a deal, had
a deal according to him, and then agent.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Got brought in said hey, that's a great starting point.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Let's let's let's negotiat and Jerry's I already I did this,
we did this, let's sign it right, you get you
get personalities involved, and then you get a standoff and
there's no way you're trading this guy, right, And then
one person goes, what if theoretical hypothetical, let's just have
fun with this, what if we did this? And then
(13:37):
the more you talk about it and the more feedback
you get, the more it's like, well, you know, if
this and then we did have a little bit of
a you know, there is some negative feedback around the
building about you know, attitude and the way you carry
yourself and leadership.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Maybe this, you know, maybe this isn't such a bad
I wonder what we could get.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then and then you then you start talking yourself
into it and you feel better about it, and then
all the said, next thing, you know, it's like, maybe
we should do this. Maybe here's all the positives, here's
the negatives, let's go through this. And then next thing,
you know, it's you're fielding phone calls. And then it's
like this momentum and this ball just turned into hey,
(14:14):
we're doing this, and then it's you know, and I
don't hate it. I don't think you're I don't hate it.
And I'll tell you some reasons why I don't hate
it if they did it for these reasons, but I
I just the feeling I get. I think you've got
two personalities involved, and you've got emotions involved, and you
(14:36):
got egos involved, and you said that's what prevented this
from from moving forward, not the reasons that I have
questions for you guys.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Could it be this? Could it be this? What about this?
Which is what I want to do in the second segment.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
And say hey, could it have been this? Could this
have been part of it? Because I really that's why
I got so excited last night. I was like, have
all these theories that it could be this, but I
I personally think it was because you got, in lack
of a better term, a pissing match and and you
were like, Hey, I.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Want to read a tweet from investigative reporter and writer
uh Dono van Nada Junr. Who's I think writing a
book with Jerry or something.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Right now writing one about him, but I don't know
when it's coming.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Is that don that does all the really good story?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
So yes, so you know what he gets in your business?
He in your business right.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
And like I said, he's working was working alongside Jerry
on some stuff. He spent some time, significant time with Jerry.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I don't think it was an approved novel or biography.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But right, so this is what this is what don
Van Nota Jr.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Said.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Jerry Jones brought the Cowboys by shaking hands with bum Bright.
Michael Parsons committed to a contract extension with Jerry on
a handshake. When Parson renigged, Jerry decided Parsons would never
again wear the star on his helmet. This is the
key part right here.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
If Jerry can't trust you, you're done. If Jerry can't
trust you, you're done.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
I believe that to a degree. But I think that
to your point. They they hashed out with Like Jerry
said in his press conference sation to that, he worked
on the contract. They got to a point Stephen worked
on the contract. Point They're like, here's what you're offering.
And when.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
But it was it was what Parsons. Yeah, it wasn't
with right David.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
But when the when the agent I was David, I
always mess up his name. He was like, no, we're
not taking forty one, We're going to take forty four
or whatever it was. And at that point the Cowboys
were like, no, we're not paying that much. And so
why they didn't try to trade him right then, back
in April or whatever, I don't know. But instead I
think they hoped they could play hardball get him to
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drop back down to forty one. That's when the egos
got involved and they're like, no.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
But was this contract discussed with David in April or
was this discussed with David most recently?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
No. I think they back in the spring. They presented
him with here's what we are going to offer. He
knew it, whether it went through Parsons or went through Jones,
he knew what they were going to offer. And he said, no,
we're we're gonna here's this, Here's not this forty one
or whatever it was, it was the starting point. We're
starting at forty four. I think at that point Cowboys
were like, no, we're not bad.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
But that was after he had already talked to Mike,
and according to Gary, they had a deal.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
But I think I think, I mean, every that happens
all the time, every negotiation. How many times is he
negotiated with agent? All these go through agents. They knew
they would have to get through the agent.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But he's been not all of them.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Most of the Michael or they I mean, but Tyers Smith,
I mean there's a few, yes, but he knows he's
got my brother.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This this this I know for a fact. If you
went to mister Jones and you had an agent, and
you said, mister Jones, no, sir, I want I want
to go through my agent, they gonna go and they
gonna They're gonna kick you out.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
They gonna literally kick you out, which happens the time.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Ye're not here, Yeah, not here, not here, not here.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
See, they're gonna talk to agents.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Listen. Now we're trying to give you the story you
either want to see.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Now, you're wrong, you think, you don't think most of
these deals get done through agents.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
If you let me tell the story, I'm.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They can have all the fire you can have fire
you wrong, won't unless you have actually done this. You
don't know, I mean all respect, brother. If you don't know,
you don't know. If you go to them and say
I'm not talking to you about a contract, I want
my agent, they will lock you out and they will
only go through your agent. They won't bother you. But
(18:51):
if you if they talk to you and you start
negotiating with them, They'll ask you, okay, it's me and
you going at it, and you say yeah. Now when
you get through they thinking you going to your agent,
he gonna say, Okay, tell your agent, bo, we'll agreed on.
Now let's work out the final points of this contract.
(19:14):
I'm not saying you wrong. Ninety percent of them do
go through the agent for the final details. But if
you want to go through them, they they doors work
more than open, but the final details go through the contract.
Have you ever known anything to be different than what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No, what you're saying, you know, you're right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I'm serious.
Speaker 10 (19:32):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
See a lot of players and this ain't just the Cowboys,
It's a lot of players around the league. I telling man,
you know, you give me forty five Mili, you got
your man, and they'll be like you, you want to
talk to me, let's talk. See a lot of times.
That's why when he said that he talked to.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
This kid, the principal, Michael.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, when he talked to principal to Michael, I said, wow,
he Michael talked to him. And I said to myself,
that ain't a good thing. Because Jess said it alluded
to me that this was a great agent. Why would
you not let your agent do your talking from the start?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Well, to answer that part, that part, Michael wants to
be liked, like he has the personality of I gotta
be liked. I want to be I want to be
in there. I want to be friends. I want to
be buddy buddy like. That's why you always see him.
He's hanging with Jerry at the super Bowl and he's
doing this, and he's doing that like Mike, Michaeh wants
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to have that feeling of I'm in the Mike is
not a standalone dude, as much as you want to
say that beat his chest and call himself the lion.
He's not a Kobe Bryant Black Mamba mentality instead alone dude.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
He's a Jersey swapper.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I gotta have people around me, tray Von stand with
me like he has to have. He's a group thinker,
but he also wants to be liked. He wants to
hand to like him and the people are like him,
and so going to talk to Jerry makes him feel
like what what Micah learned in this thing is that
this is about business.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, fellow Michaeh thought this was a whole.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Friend he really having a casual conversation.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Right, And that's that and that and hearing lies the problem.
Michah thought this was buddy buddy, friendly, friendly and under
and and forgot you're dealing with a shark.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Well that that's where that's why I don't understand. At
that point, He's like, yeah, I was out of my
depth here, I was in shark waters. I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But you don't get to go back.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
But once.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
I'm saying you want the player though.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
And that and that's the difference. Jerry's coming from that
old school place of well, you and I talked you,
you looked you on your eye and we shook hands.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I snapped on my hand.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Whether that's antipated or not, that's antiquated, right, Like I
agree with you.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I wholeheartily agree with that.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
So when you got that agent, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Absolutely antiquated. Not in Jerry's mind. In his mind, this
is this is Bible.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
So now you've lost the all star player.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Egles came into play.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
This is what this is the thing about this and
when you deal with the reality of it, deal with
the reality you think Philadelphia ain't coming in here anyway.
You think the NFL can the stopped deal with reality.
This happens, and it's not on the magnitude of what
(22:34):
happened with the Mavericks and nowhere near the magnitude. But
guess what the Mavericks talking about a new kid already.
You let this kid average a couple of twenty point nights.
They talking about the new This is the reality of it.
I remember when Herschel left here, I remember when coach
Landry left here. It's been some impact for people left here. Man.
(22:58):
I don't think we ain't still in the same building.
I think the building got bigger. See, the reality of
this thing is we are fortunate to know that other
side over there. And I'm agreeing with you one hundred percent. Suggestion,
is this team better without Michael Parsons, Well we won't
get to know, for one reason because he's already gone.
(23:20):
But just the initial thing of how great he was
as a pass rusher tells us, no, you can't. We
These people aren't talking about thirty five thousand dollars. These
people was not talking about even one hundred thousand dollars.
This man came in to this guy talking about forty
(23:40):
one forty three million dollars. Now we can sit up
and laugh because it's not our money. We can sit
up and laugh because it's not been negotiated with our players' union.
But that forty one million dollars meant something to somebody.
So I'm talking about the reality of it. I ain't
talking about how your emotions and how you feel. And
(24:00):
I was right here. This man ain't never shied away
from paying from playing the superstar. I don't know why
he didn't pay this kid. I thought he was. He's
always took care of his on he drafted him. Uh,
and especially when you get a superstar. I'm thinking it.
But I call Jesse while we was on the way,
and I said, Jesse, something ain't right about this bill,
(24:21):
something ain't right about this and he and what wasn't
right about it is he had made up his mind.
And I'm telling his kids, his wife and everybody could
have got with him and said, Jerry, please don't do this.
This man' was gonna do this, all right. I have
so many questions.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Let's take a break.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I'll ask my questions, then we'll take some phone calls.
Later on in the show, Guys going by so fast.
Maybe from our own calm Kurt down over there.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah I got more.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, all right, see what Kurt's guy when we come
back on hanging with the boys.
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Speaker 4 (27:05):
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Thank you, blockchain dot com. All right, I have a
question for you guys.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Now that you know it's kind of settled in and
we're you know, we broke up with our girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We're moving on, we're moving on down the road.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Do you think now you have you you have more
collateral draft collateral than you've had probably since the Herschel
Walker deal.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Right, high high round picks.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Right, you watch that Netflix documentary and you see how
Jerry how much winning one more super Bowl means to him. Right,
you talk, you see his family. You can tell that
Jerry's you.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Know, towards the you know, the end of you know,
the end of the back half of the career.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Right, there's a limited amount of time that he has
to win that super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
There's no better.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Time than now to do a rebuild, mini rebuild, stack
some collateral, do what Detroit's done, take that blueprint and
go let's just go get let's try to win. We
still got good players, we got we got our quarterback,
we got our receiver. But if we could rebuild this
thing really quick, in two years, year three and four,
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we got a real shot to win the Super Bowl.
Do you if you're upstairs, do you say, okay.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
You don't have four years?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well you got two?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You got two? Okay, do you upstairs got this year
and next year?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Because of your quarterback and your wide receiver, They're gonna
all want to come back to the table again.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
But with your draft. Let's just with your draft. Do
you are there other guys on this team now that
you've opened this door, and you say, all right, for
this guy, we could probably get a we could probab
get a first round, or we could get a second rounder.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
We could let's really stack some collateral over the next
year or two.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
And then are you do you.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Regroup or do you just go this was a one
off deal. We like what we got and then business
as usual. Or do you think Jerry's looked around the
league a little bit and gone, you know what, teams
are doing stuff different. We've been doing the same thing
for the last thirty years and it hadn't really worked.
Maybe we changed this and make one last readjust the
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way we do business and go after this thing. Or
do you think this is just okay, we got a
couple of picks, and we got a guy in the
middle that we've been needing, and business as usual.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
I think this whole situation is a one off. I
think it's a one off. I think this was one
of the ones where thirty years ago, Egos got involved
with Jimmy Johnson and it got the best of them.
(29:59):
I don't believe that this is a norm. I don't
believe that he's gonna be looking to make these type
of significant trades.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Or Jerry's not in the rebuilding, never has. He's not
in the rebuilding man reloading, not rebuilding.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And reloading, I think for sure.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
And and when you look at this, and this is
the part where I'm confused, is which way are you going?
Because you didn't get you didn't You didn't You didn't
demand or ask Green Bay for young talent.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You got an old dog. You got a d tackle
who will be thirty years old in a month. He
ain't got he ain't.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
And I watched him on film. I watched him. I
watch him on film last night, and I watched a
little bit this morning. Good player, good player, He ain't great,
he faar or from great good player? Will will will
will help you some, but he's not a cornerstone you.
And now what you're asking, Shannon, is you're asking to
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go from.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
What you know to what you hope.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I can tell you first round picks that late in
the first round that the Cowboys got worked out. Can
I also tell you once it didn't. So that's the
gamble down that you're walking in here with. Are you
looking are the Cowboys gonna draft whether they drafted five,
six years ago, seven years ago where it was like,
well they were hitting, is it gonna be recent where
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it ain't been so good. That's the risk that you
take when you go away from generational talent or real
good talent and now say well, we're gonna take these
picks and we're gonna go do this, this, and this
in the draft. That is a crapshoot, which we've lived
long enough here to see don't always work in your favor.
(31:56):
And now what happens is you go and take that
draft pick and it doesn't work. Now what and normally,
and I guess the most recent one we can look
at is Khalil Mack. It didn't work well for the
Raids when they sent them away. It didn't work well
for the Bears when they sent them away. That's just
the nature of the beasts. And so you're hoping and
(32:16):
wishing that it all works out. And if it was
a fifth, if my aunt had chestnuts, you'd be my uncle.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You know, it's great a past Russia's Parson is. The
bottom line is just right here. You either was gonna pay,
then you had to pay a bunch of other players
because it wasn't gonna change. It wasn't gonna change. You
(32:50):
are a middle of the road team as you stand
with Parsons, Yep, you're gonna have to change something. This
is the way they decide to change it. The bottom
line is you're going to have to spend that forty
four million dollars because he's that's what the averaging in
(33:11):
Green Bay, right you got. You're gonna you're gonna to
spend it on some proven talent because if you're going
for the youth movement, if you're going for the true
youth movement like Detroit did and moving out cancers, guys
and guys, you don't think that's right for your team.
This is a three year bill. If you want to
quick fix that, forty four got to go this year.
(33:32):
When this year over with he when free agency hit,
you got to spend that forty four to get to
stay on the chests program, you got to spend. Yeah,
but if you on your program, he can take his time.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Then that was yeah, that was my question is what
what do you you got? I don't think they did
this on purpose for that reason. But now that you're here,
like you said, what are we what are we doing
as a team? Are you trying to get this in
in two years while you to have the high powered
offensive stuff or you like, man, let's just get collateral
(34:05):
and let's go young and make an occasion for five.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Years that ship.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You know what's on the block next year?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
The kids south south of here?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
No number four? Right you if you if you're if
you're talking about a long term thing, go get more collateral.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And mister Jones will get you more. First as long
as he think he has a quarterback, he gonna take
a shot. The forty four has to be spent this
coming year, this season, see okay, after after this twenty
fifth season six and it's got to be.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
But this is this is what I pushed back on,
not pushback on you, but say it get you is
is that does the forty four go get spent on
trying to acquire Dexter Lawrence, or does the forty four
get gets utilized and going to get.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Nine to two million dollar players.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
The thing is nine mingos, which is what.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
They're going to get, seventeen mingos the bottom of the box,
Ken Murray's I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The bottom line is no quick fix. See the bottom
This don't work fast, regardless of see wed media make
people think it works fast. It don't work fast regardless
of whether you go spend it on two nine million
dollar players or whether you go spending on dexor Lawrence,
which he ain't leaving. They ain't promise you he ain't
(35:34):
got a problem with Rams might say otherwise, Philly might
say otherwise, say otherwise, by what it can happen quick Yeah, Yeah,
that's a different program. That is a totally different program. See,
because you got to look at how you normally build
your team history with these that you just talking about,
they don't mind building from the inside out. We for
(35:57):
the last ten years, we have never built from the
got Mazie that that's the best we've done in the
last five or six years. We don't build that in.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
The last five or six year the god you you
got Micah Michaels of this fifth year.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, but I understanding. We don't build. We build from
the glamor position, and that is what always killed us.
That that is what since we've been doing the show together,
what have y'all been hearing me scream? Even? And when
you came in, I'm like, well, okay, let let's let's
see what Jesse's talking about. If you don't build your
team from the inside out, you're never gonna have true consistency. Never.
(36:40):
Never the last four past rushers JJ Watt is number
four or number three on your list of great pass rushers. TJ. Now,
I ain't been to the playoffs. But if you look
at number ninety nine for the RAM are you look
(37:01):
at Jones for k C? Are you look at this dude,
Number ninety eight for Philadelphia. We didn't know them. We
knew them ns on the on the outside because we
play against them, because I mean the Cowboys. But most
people didn't know these folks, not the fans, but they
know who number ninety eight is now and they know
about that Super Bowl. If you if you build this
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thing right and it ain't no quick fix, brother.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
But that can, but it ain't what I get.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Chris Jones and Aaron Donald and Taylor Carter, all those
rosters were built heavy. They were good rosters. They had
good secondary, they had good linebackers, they had.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Good that they were all made better by them guys.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
And that's my point, right, Like we can talk about
how good Ocea is a good player?
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Right, Oh is a B level No? No, he ain't
a B level play when you take eleven off the equation.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
No, no, no, you didn't. I named guys. I did
the name.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
You're you're naming cornerstones. You're getting future building Jones. Yes,
but they also have asked you was how do.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
They build it? How do they get it back? That's
what you asked, right, You gott do they build this?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Do they get it quick?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Do they get it? Loan?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You gotta take that money and you gotta go get players.
You got that, And that's what those guys did. Yes,
they drafted Chris Jones, and they drafted Aaron Donald, they
drafted Carter, right, but they also said, Hmmm, I'm gonna
go get this dude, and I'm gonna go get that dude,
and I'm gonna go get uh, you know, they said,
I'm gonna go get Jayleen Ramsey and I'm gonna get
(38:33):
this guy, and I'm gonna go get Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And I and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
So so it can happen quick. It can happen quick.
But you have to be willing to.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Go into change the philosophy, and it's what they don't do.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
They haven't, they haven't.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But my question was, now that you're in this situation
and this has happened, do you say, you know what
we actually do?
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We do like baseball, get rid.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Of this contract, get rid of this one, get rid
of this one, and then next year we got draft picks,
we got money, we go you know, do you change us?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
History says hell no, that's what I have to go off.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, but history also says you don't trade one of
the best defensive players in the league.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And we just did that again. Every so many years
you get you have one of these out like.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Was Jalen Ramsay elite?
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The cornerback was he elite?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
He was very good?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, he was very good.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
He was a veteran, he was the.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Leader of his defense.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
He was one of he was the leader.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, he was the man. I would never downplay my
Michael Parsons, never Michaeh whatever you want to call him,
Pittsburgh from Michael. You think that it is all the same.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
You think Steven got tired of I like it, Stephen,
like listen that Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
And then he still did and he just gave.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But you know what's so funny said, you have nothing
against this man, but you will pronounce his name right
me and you missus Jones that you cannot downplay his talent.
But the bottom line is, I'm what are you gonna do.
You're gonna you're gonna show honor to him, like, hey, man,
(40:18):
when we when we start the game, we just gonna
put a mannequin out there with number eleven on it,
just in honor. No, the game is gonna be played.
How do you start fixing it? You gotta start fixing.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
That's Monday Show. That's Monday Show. Talk about that on Monday, No,
No to day.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
We gotta tell you today this fan asks you.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
How do you fix it? You gotta ask you, Jesse, I.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Don't know you have more cap space.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
You gotta you gotta go spend it.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
You got can you can you build a team and
you have the highest offensive paid player in the highest defensive.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
It makes it difficult.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
It makes it difficulty to me. I seem more I'm
starting to see more positivity in this move.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
But again, you you now have to and you go
back to putting so much heavily on a draft.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
A draft has to hit so much if you're going if.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
You're not gonna pay guys, veterans right the top not
don't give me the don't give me the the dudes
who on their last leg, and and and the journeyman,
the top level dudes. When we talk about free agency,
when free agency, are they doing the illegal the illegal
talking before freeency opened, so that the third day it
opens up, we getting we getting the A level.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Right, Maybe now you're getting George Pickens, you.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Know who, Jorge picking Agencies.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
We need a break, Yeah, we'll take a break.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
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Speaker 4 (44:09):
I apologize, we're.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Not going to get to the phones. We had way
more to talk about than we thought. We got into
some really good conversation.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Kurt got.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
I knew Kurt showed some emotion for once on the
show like that. Nate went at Kurt for the first
time ever.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
No oh, he came in Kurt. He used to go
at it on the top. But Kurt, my thing is
this right here is uh. I don't like going at
my teammates. But I wanted him to understand that this
thing like yeah, sitting over in this seat because I
feel like I just don't. I just don't, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
I thought, hold on, kurk get behind me.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
But it's something.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Negotiations.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
One thing about negotiations clean, it's never such negotiations like fighting.
And dude that puts his barre knuncles at eight yard man,
this dude get kicked all in the junk and everything.
Come on, man, ain't no, it's nothing fair. You heard
missus Jones say, boy, you said you weren't gonna trade him,
(45:12):
and miss Jones say, thank you for getting that out there.
Come on, this is negotiations in any way. Like Jesse said,
he got in the water with a shark and when
he by the time he realized, oh my god, I
did say that because mister h he said, did you
(45:33):
tell Jered? Yeah, yeah, I did agree. Yeah, okay, you know,
but hey, Michael stud he knowew he like, man, man, Hey,
this is where it starts, Jared, this is where it starts.
What Michael told you was just the prelib Yeah, and
so Jared like, nah, we shook hands. Nah. So yeah,
I understand. I know. You know. Now he know, and
(45:55):
you know that you don't get in the water with
the sharks, man, because it's always a man. God. You
seen the movie Mecca.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
It's a Mexican Macadona's.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
I think I.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Don't get into one, folks.
Speaker 8 (46:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I think it's safe to say.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
That as long as Jerry's in control of the team,
this will probably never happen again, because this put.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Every player in the league. If you start talking to
the man unless you want out of here.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
Just a Michael Parson rule, It's becomes this is this
is the Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Like Jerry's gonna be like, are we doing this the
dark way or the mic away.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
And and and and let me also say this, This
don't happen with everybody, Okay, it don't. It don't happen
with it, Like, don't don't think the Jesse Hollies of
the world is gonna have this problem.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
We're not right, Like, we're not. This only happens with
the elites.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
This, this is, this is we start talking about big,
big honey, we ain't talking about you know, this didn't
happen with Jake Ferguson. You know what I'm saying, only
what the elites that this happened with because everyone else
gets handled differently.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
He told Fergie what he was gonna make. Ferggie like,
hey man, look run you either cut this deal that
you got. The mine was so quick because that's when
free agency, this new form of free agent, I can't
think what it was called back then, was out, you know,
and uh, we was going into the summer. But did
(47:33):
we make it to the summer. Yeah, we were going
to the summer. Then the season started, you know. Uh,
the year before I was my contract was inspiring and
it was so you know what I mean, I ain't
got no shame of my game. Hey, Jimmy, what you're
gonna do? Because Jimmy was the GM back then, Man,
what you're gonna do? Come on now, your boy ain't
ball playing. I did what you asked me to do.
I played right time. Come down my back man. What
(47:54):
you want to do this? And so he asked me
what we was going for? And I say, hey, this
is what we want? This is He said, you shure
how many years? I'm like, I had two? Three years? Okay,
tell your man to call me.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Had you already talked to your agent though? And said
this is what I want?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I already find an agent want because I like, Jim,
what do you want? What we're looking for? Boom? He
told me this is the market boom. So I told
Jim Jim's agent call, We'll get it cleared up. And
the next day Big was getting ready to I'm like, like, what.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Just that easy?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Hunh? It was? But that's how easy it a little money,
that's a little bit. But the other tale of that
story is Troy came up and they had to work
all summer and all a part of the next year
to get him signed. It don't happen everybody.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
I don't trust me when when the ron comes up
and and you know, other guys.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Listen, here's what we got. Yeah, you want it, you
don't want it.
Speaker 7 (48:49):
I'm going I'm going to gogotiate a little bit with you.
It only happened like this, only this, only this. That's
a leak conversation.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Don't don't.
Speaker 8 (48:56):
This is Landon Smith's signed now to kind of sue
the wound.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
If I like the way you're thinking, if Jerry is
about changing the way that history had says he's operated,
do some early deals.
Speaker 6 (49:08):
You got forty million, you got forty plus million dollars.
Now go ahead and get.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Tyler Smith out the way before his number go up.
And now you do we deal with this next year,
Go ahead and get Duran Bland done up. Go ahead
and get Butter Aubrey done up. Get him out the
way that way. You know, I got these guys locked up.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
They good next year.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Now I can go focus on building the other If
you're gonna change a quick change, I can now focus
on going building other guys around what we have. Cause
this window, man, this was we're talking about for your quarterback.
Two years, you got this year, you got next year.
If it ain't happening in those two years, Man, you
(49:46):
gotta have the next big conversation. Are we starting to
look in the drivet for our replacement? Is has Joe
Milton developed enough to take the next step to be
our franchise?
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Or do you package some of those number ones together
and go up and get somebody.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
It's gonna be interesting, always is Fellas.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Good stuff, great insight, great conversation.
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Nate. I'm glad that you stayed. Next day. I'm glad
you fly.
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Gott Kurk going, I know Man got you fired, Chris,
Chris like the far On. Sorry Hunter, everybody, have a
great Labor Day weekend. Nate, have a great trip, Chris,
thanks for keeping us on their Josh, thanks for keeping
him company.
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Speaker 4 (01:50):
Oh man, so many questions.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
I mean, We're gonna open the phones at some point,
just from what I've seen on social media.
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Eighty eight eight five five to two two non sense.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
You might have been on hold for a while because
it might be a minute, because we got a lot
to say.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I got like for the first time ever, I have
a list of questions for y'all.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
But last night, seven years, seven years, I finally put up.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So before we get into the details and the and
get down into the weeds in this overall high level
thoughts on trading Michael Parsons, What you got back for him?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Do you do you like it or dislike? What happened yesterday?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
We got Clark, a defensive tackle nine years in, came
in with Zeke. We got two first round picks with
twenty six and twenty seven. Is that saying that right?
Uh uh? Some people said, uh it was undervalue, that
they should have got more. I think they got what
they could get in the situation that it was in. Uh,
(02:56):
I have no I have no problems with the trade
me personal, I have no problems with it.
Speaker 8 (03:01):
Kurt, Yeah, I mean it. You know, like everybody else
was shocked.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yes, I was not shocked. I thought Lukadc I was shocked.
Speaker 8 (03:13):
I was like more so because he wasn't going through
a contract thing at the time. But I just, you know,
I thought they'd wind up, last minute thing like I
always do, get it done. But now that I've had
a time to sleep on it, I'm starting to Maybe
it's the fan in me, but I'm starting to kind
of see the reasoning and feeling a little bit better
about it. At least that's what I'm telling myself.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Jesse, shocked, you are really I was not shocked.
Speaker 6 (03:42):
Shocked. Do you like it?
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Do you like what they got back?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Do you hate.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
It?
Speaker 6 (03:48):
I do?
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I'm I'm sorry, And this is coming from a dude
who you guys remember what I went through a year ago.
Speaker 6 (03:55):
I was at war with his mama, his brother him.
You remember that.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Oh yeah, a year ago, Michael. We had to tiptoe
around some topics. Yeah, wow, yeah, I hated it. There
are two positions and this let me say this first.
We come in here weekend, week out, month and month out,
season in, season out, and we talk about the jimmies
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and Joe's your scheme don't mean a hill of beans.
If you don't have the jimmies and Joel's good enough
to execute it, you gave away arguably.
Speaker 7 (04:39):
The best player on your team. Yeah, and the best
rusher in the league for picks that we don't know
what they're going to.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Be fifty to fifty maybe.
Speaker 8 (04:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (05:00):
The two positions that you chase the most when you're drafting,
when you're building an NFL football team, quarterback, Russian. Those
are two, and you had one. You had one of
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the best. And people are gonna say he was greedy,
he was no one can say more about him than
I said. I told you guys, he was selfish. I
told you guys, he wasn't well liked in some parts
of this building. I told you guys, he wasn't a leader.
I told Michaeh. I looked right into that camera, right there,
and I told Mikah, stop telling people that you're a leader.
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Stop telling folks that you want to be a leader.
All you have to do is just go be the
best damn football player in the National Football League.
Speaker 6 (05:53):
That's it.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
But for whatever reason, he got caught up in this
hole I have to be a leader thing, and he
wasn't good at it. He failed at it. I'm okay
with you being selfish at times. Some of the great
ones are just don't pee in my eye. Telling me
is rating that you're a leader. And he kept trying
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to push that narrative, and I kept pushing back and saying,
you're not, You're not.
Speaker 6 (06:19):
I was shocked. I was shocked.
Speaker 7 (06:22):
And your football team as we sit today on August
twenty ninth, is not better than it was twenty four
hours ago.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
That's where I stand.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, interesting, all right, I don't even know.
Speaker 8 (06:39):
I think that's most people's feelings what you're saying. I
think we're getting a lot of mailback, feedback and all that,
and there's a lot of people that are, oh, this
is good, it's better, I like it, whatever, because there's
the reasons you mentioned, But Muster are like, what the
heck can we do?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
And let's be honest, like what we talk about, and Nate,
you are the perfect person to have an illustration of
this when it comes to a talented distraction or a
talent that comes with some distractions. Right, Micah's distractions weren't
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what the distraction that you and your teammates had to
deal with.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Micah's distractions. Are you got a podcast?
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Everybody has a podcast.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
He doesn't say the right things all the time on
his podcast and maybe support the guys in his locker room.
He may have some guests in that podcast that and
you can call me a hypocrite or whatever. I'm always
gonna stand on the place of if he's talented enough,
if she's talented enough, we're gonna deal with some bull.
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We just are now when your talent diminished, we ain't dealing.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
With that bull.
Speaker 7 (07:54):
I play with a guy like that. But death Brian
was here and his talent was up here. They dealt
with missing late for planes, late for buses, sleeping in meetings,
cussing folks out, cussing coaches out, doing what you want,
not practicing, not rehabit, not working out. Boy, you get
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them in that backshold of fading the red zone. Not
a mofo in this league to stop him. And then
when that diminished, and then you know it's you're yelling
on the sidelines and it's it's he's passionate. You know,
in practice, you can't guard me. You can't guard me.
You can't guard me fighting with teammates. It's passion, it
was excitement, it was raw rah. That talent, diminished distraction,
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that distraction, malcontent.
Speaker 6 (08:42):
Get him out of here. I'm like, I'm with it.
They hunt them a talentphi and.
Speaker 7 (08:46):
That's the that's the nature of the beast. When you
are talented, you control the cards. You can be a
little funky in the way that you act. And I
know people don't want to hear it.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
I don't care.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
That's how the league is. Pick sport, pick a sport.
The best players get to do what the hell they
want on and off the field, on and off the field.
Speaker 6 (09:10):
You don't gotta like it.
Speaker 7 (09:13):
And Nate, you can stop me anytime you want to
stop me and call me a liar.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
M h.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
It's the way that I'm gonna tell you.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
But that one in a hundred times. We're sitting at
it right now. What I'm trying to tell you, so,
if you love the trade, if you don't like the trade,
if you bleed with Jesse saying, if you feel a
little bit curtish, if you this guy here just totally confused.
Guess what, y'all.
Speaker 9 (09:42):
No more Parsons. No, no more Parsons. And that is
what I tried to tell people when this first started,
the war of words.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
The war of trade me, not trade me. Is he
good enough? Is he not good enough? NONEA that matters
right now because today it starts with Philadelphia. And I
understand he's the hot topic. But you know what, you
think the other guy's gonna stop playing. Here's some guys
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back there behind Parsons saying, you know what, we love
you to death. Brother. I taxed him and said, boy
you got paid.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Congratulations, congratulations.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
But I got to try to eat this thing up.
And I'm with you, Jess. We put up with some
weird characters, and I was one of them. We put
up with some weird characters. But brother Parsons, I said
it earlier, I'm gonna say it again. Be all you
could be in Green Bay because you went to you
going to another iconic franchise. Do your thing. Brother. I
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hope you get fifteen to twenty sacks. That's what you pay.
That's what they're paying you for. Fifteen to twenty sacks.
You were elite. You've always felt you was elite. You
was to me. You're a very good player here, a
very great pass rusher. Now let's see if you're gonna
be elite. I mean, what can we do? We got
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to tell Isaiah Land they just signed Hey man, you
ain't gonna be Parsons. And he wasn't never Parsons. He
ain't gonna never be Parsons. But you know what you
do your thing, You do the best you can. This
team here were they going to the playoffs. The bottom
line is just right here. It's all about the playoffs.
Mister Jones said he got a running. It's gonna take
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five or six weeks to build this team where you
needed to build for it to be competitive, for everybody
to get in the groove. You don't know what this
team gonna be now. I do agree with him when
he says we were better with Parsons, especially the defense.
They were better with Parsons, But that was last year's team.
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This year here, we won't even get to say it
because what happens from this point on.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
We're gonna treat this like a relationship.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Okay, when you first break up with somebody, nobody wants
to hear it, but you need to talk through it
for therapy for yourself, just to just to get through
it right.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
So today today is our therapy day.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
We're gonna talk about it, and we probably won't talk
about Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Until week four because it's done. Like like like Nate.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Said, this is a done deal with none deal man,
and like today we'll.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Talk about what we think happened and why it happened.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And I know what happened.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Ramifications and how it got to.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
That point will tell us I know, man, you know,
can let me take a stab out and you tell
me if I'm right or wrong.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I think.
Speaker 5 (12:48):
Jerry being Jerry and his great comment by the way,
ask Dak how it worked out right, But if you
didn't listen to the press or go back and listen to.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
It, because there's a lot of little nuggets in there.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
But I think Jerry did Jerry things, and he negotiated
with the player and thought they had a deal, had
a deal according to him, and then agent.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Got brought in said hey, that's a great starting point.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Let's let's let's negotiat and Jerry's I already I did this,
we did this, let's sign it right, you get you
get personalities involved, and then you get a standoff and
there's no way you're trading this guy, right, And then
one person goes, what if theoretical hypothetical, let's just have
fun with this, what if we did this? And then
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the more you talk about it and the more feedback
you get, the more it's like, well, you know, if
this and then we did have a little bit of
a you know, there is some negative feedback around the
building about you know, attitude and the way you carry
yourself and leadership.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Maybe this, you know, maybe this isn't such a bad
I wonder what we could get.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
And then and then you then you start talking yourself
into it and you feel better about it, and then
all the said, next thing, you know, it's like, maybe
we should do this. Maybe here's all the positives, here's
the negatives, let's go through this. And then next thing,
you know, it's you're fielding phone calls. And then it's
like this momentum and this ball just turned into hey,
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we're doing this, and then it's you know, and I
don't hate it. I don't think you're I don't hate it.
And I'll tell you some reasons why I don't hate
it if they did it for these reasons, but I
I just the feeling I get. I think you've got
two personalities involved, and you've got emotions involved, and you
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got egos involved, and you said that's what prevented this
from from moving forward, not the reasons that I have
questions for you guys.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
Could it be this? Could it be this? What about this?
Which is what I want to do in the second segment.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
And say hey, could it have been this? Could this
have been part of it? Because I really that's why
I got so excited last night. I was like, have
all these theories that it could be this, but I
I personally think it was because you got, in lack
of a better term, a pissing match and and you
were like, Hey, I.
Speaker 7 (15:07):
Want to read a tweet from investigative reporter and writer
uh Dono van Nada Junr. Who's I think writing a
book with Jerry or something.
Speaker 8 (15:17):
Right now writing one about him, but I don't know
when it's coming.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Is that don that does all the really good story?
Speaker 6 (15:23):
So yes, so you know what he gets in your business?
He in your business right.
Speaker 7 (15:29):
And like I said, he's working was working alongside Jerry
on some stuff. He spent some time, significant time with Jerry.
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I don't think it was an approved novel or biography.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But right, so this is what this is what don
Van Nota Jr.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Said.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Jerry Jones brought the Cowboys by shaking hands with bum Bright.
Michael Parsons committed to a contract extension with Jerry on
a handshake. When Parson renigged, Jerry decided Parsons would never
again wear the star on his helmet. This is the
key part right here.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
If Jerry can't trust you, you're done. If Jerry can't
trust you, you're done.
Speaker 8 (16:12):
I believe that to a degree. But I think that
to your point. They they hashed out with Like Jerry
said in his press conference sation to that, he worked
on the contract. They got to a point Stephen worked
on the contract. Point They're like, here's what you're offering.
And when.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
But it was it was what Parsons. Yeah, it wasn't
with right David.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
But when the when the agent I was David, I
always mess up his name. He was like, no, we're
not taking forty one, We're going to take forty four
or whatever it was. And at that point the Cowboys
were like, no, we're not paying that much. And so
why they didn't try to trade him right then, back
in April or whatever, I don't know. But instead I
think they hoped they could play hardball get him to
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drop back down to forty one. That's when the egos
got involved and they're like, no.
Speaker 7 (16:59):
But was this contract discussed with David in April or
was this discussed with David most recently?
Speaker 8 (17:05):
No. I think they back in the spring. They presented
him with here's what we are going to offer. He
knew it, whether it went through Parsons or went through Jones,
he knew what they were going to offer. And he said, no,
we're we're gonna here's this, Here's not this forty one
or whatever it was, it was the starting point. We're
starting at forty four. I think at that point Cowboys
were like, no, we're not bad.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
But that was after he had already talked to Mike,
and according to Gary, they had a deal.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
But I think I think, I mean, every that happens
all the time, every negotiation. How many times is he
negotiated with agent? All these go through agents. They knew
they would have to get through the agent.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
But he's been not all of them.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Most of the Michael or they I mean, but Tyers Smith,
I mean there's a few, yes, but he knows he's
got my brother.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
This this this I know for a fact. If you
went to mister Jones and you had an agent, and
you said, mister Jones, no, sir, I want I want
to go through my agent, they gonna go and they
gonna They're gonna kick you out.
Speaker 8 (18:06):
They gonna literally kick you out, which happens the time.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Ye're not here, Yeah, not here, not here, not here.
Speaker 6 (18:13):
See, they're gonna talk to agents.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Listen. Now we're trying to give you the story you
either want to see.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Now, you're wrong, you think, you don't think most of
these deals get done through agents.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
If you let me tell the story, I'm.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
They can have all the fire you can have fire
you wrong, won't unless you have actually done this. You
don't know, I mean all respect, brother. If you don't know,
you don't know. If you go to them and say
I'm not talking to you about a contract, I want
my agent, they will lock you out and they will
only go through your agent. They won't bother you. But
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if you if they talk to you and you start
negotiating with them, They'll ask you, okay, it's me and
you going at it, and you say yeah. Now when
you get through they thinking you going to your agent,
he gonna say, Okay, tell your agent, bo, we'll agreed on.
Now let's work out the final points of this contract.
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I'm not saying you wrong. Ninety percent of them do
go through the agent for the final details. But if
you want to go through them, they they doors work
more than open, but the final details go through the contract.
Have you ever known anything to be different than what
I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No, what you're saying, you know, you're right.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, I'm serious.
Speaker 10 (19:32):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
See a lot of players and this ain't just the Cowboys,
It's a lot of players around the league. I telling man,
you know, you give me forty five Mili, you got
your man, and they'll be like you, you want to
talk to me, let's talk. See a lot of times.
That's why when he said that he talked to.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
This kid, the principal, Michael.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Yeah, when he talked to principal to Michael, I said, wow,
he Michael talked to him. And I said to myself,
that ain't a good thing. Because Jess said it alluded
to me that this was a great agent. Why would
you not let your agent do your talking from the start?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Well, to answer that part, that part, Michael wants to
be liked, like he has the personality of I gotta
be liked. I want to be I want to be
in there. I want to be friends. I want to
be buddy buddy like. That's why you always see him.
He's hanging with Jerry at the super Bowl and he's
doing this, and he's doing that like Mike, Michaeh wants
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to have that feeling of I'm in the Mike is
not a standalone dude, as much as you want to
say that beat his chest and call himself the lion.
He's not a Kobe Bryant Black Mamba mentality instead alone dude.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
He's a Jersey swapper.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
I gotta have people around me, tray Von stand with
me like he has to have. He's a group thinker,
but he also wants to be liked. He wants to
hand to like him and the people are like him,
and so going to talk to Jerry makes him feel
like what what Micah learned in this thing is that
this is about business.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, fellow Michaeh thought this was a whole.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
Friend he really having a casual conversation.
Speaker 7 (21:14):
Right, And that's that and that and hearing lies the problem.
Michah thought this was buddy buddy, friendly, friendly and under
and and forgot you're dealing with a shark.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Well that that's where that's why I don't understand. At
that point, He's like, yeah, I was out of my
depth here, I was in shark waters. I shouldn't have.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But you don't get to go back.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
But once.
Speaker 8 (21:37):
I'm saying you want the player though.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
And that and that's the difference. Jerry's coming from that
old school place of well, you and I talked you,
you looked you on your eye and we shook hands.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
I snapped on my hand.
Speaker 7 (21:47):
Whether that's antipated or not, that's antiquated, right, Like I
agree with you.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
I wholeheartily agree with that.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
So when you got that agent, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
Absolutely antiquated. Not in Jerry's mind. In his mind, this
is this is Bible.
Speaker 8 (22:04):
So now you've lost the all star player.
Speaker 6 (22:09):
Egles came into play.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
This is what this is the thing about this and
when you deal with the reality of it, deal with
the reality you think Philadelphia ain't coming in here anyway.
You think the NFL can the stopped deal with reality.
This happens, and it's not on the magnitude of what
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happened with the Mavericks and nowhere near the magnitude. But
guess what the Mavericks talking about a new kid already.
You let this kid average a couple of twenty point nights.
They talking about the new This is the reality of it.
I remember when Herschel left here, I remember when coach
Landry left here. It's been some impact for people left here. Man.
(22:58):
I don't think we ain't still in the same building.
I think the building got bigger. See, the reality of
this thing is we are fortunate to know that other
side over there. And I'm agreeing with you one hundred percent. Suggestion,
is this team better without Michael Parsons, Well we won't
get to know, for one reason because he's already gone.
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But just the initial thing of how great he was
as a pass rusher tells us, no, you can't. We
These people aren't talking about thirty five thousand dollars. These
people was not talking about even one hundred thousand dollars.
This man came in to this guy talking about forty
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one forty three million dollars. Now we can sit up
and laugh because it's not our money. We can sit
up and laugh because it's not been negotiated with our players' union.
But that forty one million dollars meant something to somebody.
So I'm talking about the reality of it. I ain't
talking about how your emotions and how you feel. And
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I was right here. This man ain't never shied away
from paying from playing the superstar. I don't know why
he didn't pay this kid. I thought he was. He's
always took care of his on he drafted him. Uh,
and especially when you get a superstar. I'm thinking it.
But I call Jesse while we was on the way,
and I said, Jesse, something ain't right about this bill,
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something ain't right about this and he and what wasn't
right about it is he had made up his mind.
And I'm telling his kids, his wife and everybody could
have got with him and said, Jerry, please don't do this.
This man' was gonna do this, all right. I have
so many questions.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Let's take a break.
Speaker 5 (24:37):
I'll ask my questions, then we'll take some phone calls.
Later on in the show, Guys going by so fast.
Maybe from our own calm Kurt down over there.
Speaker 8 (24:46):
Yeah I got more.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Yeah, all right, see what Kurt's guy when we come
back on hanging with the boys.
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Speaker 4 (27:05):
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Thank you, blockchain dot com. All right, I have a
question for you guys.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
Now that you know it's kind of settled in and
we're you know, we broke up with our girlfriend.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
We're moving on, we're moving on down the road.
Speaker 5 (27:23):
Do you think now you have you you have more
collateral draft collateral than you've had probably since the Herschel
Walker deal.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
Right, high high round picks.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Right, you watch that Netflix documentary and you see how
Jerry how much winning one more super Bowl means to him. Right,
you talk, you see his family. You can tell that
Jerry's you.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Know, towards the you know, the end of you know,
the end of the back half of the career.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Right, there's a limited amount of time that he has
to win that super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
There's no better.
Speaker 5 (28:02):
Time than now to do a rebuild, mini rebuild, stack
some collateral, do what Detroit's done, take that blueprint and
go let's just go get let's try to win. We
still got good players, we got we got our quarterback,
we got our receiver. But if we could rebuild this
thing really quick, in two years, year three and four,
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we got a real shot to win the Super Bowl.
Do you if you're upstairs, do you say, okay.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
You don't have four years?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well you got two?
Speaker 6 (28:38):
You got two? Okay, do you upstairs got this year
and next year?
Speaker 7 (28:43):
Because of your quarterback and your wide receiver, They're gonna
all want to come back to the table again.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
But with your draft. Let's just with your draft. Do
you are there other guys on this team now that
you've opened this door, and you say, all right, for
this guy, we could probably get a we could probab
get a first round, or we could get a second rounder.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
We could let's really stack some collateral over the next
year or two.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
And then are you do you.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Regroup or do you just go this was a one
off deal. We like what we got and then business
as usual. Or do you think Jerry's looked around the
league a little bit and gone, you know what, teams
are doing stuff different. We've been doing the same thing
for the last thirty years and it hadn't really worked.
Maybe we changed this and make one last readjust the
(29:29):
way we do business and go after this thing. Or
do you think this is just okay, we got a
couple of picks, and we got a guy in the
middle that we've been needing, and business as usual.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
I think this whole situation is a one off. I
think it's a one off. I think this was one
of the ones where thirty years ago, Egos got involved
with Jimmy Johnson and it got the best of them.
(29:59):
I don't believe that this is a norm. I don't
believe that he's gonna be looking to make these type
of significant trades.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
Or Jerry's not in the rebuilding, never has. He's not
in the rebuilding man reloading, not rebuilding.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
And reloading, I think for sure.
Speaker 7 (30:16):
And and when you look at this, and this is
the part where I'm confused, is which way are you going?
Because you didn't get you didn't You didn't You didn't
demand or ask Green Bay for young talent.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
You got an old dog. You got a d tackle
who will be thirty years old in a month. He
ain't got he ain't.
Speaker 7 (30:40):
And I watched him on film. I watched him. I
watch him on film last night, and I watched a
little bit this morning. Good player, good player, He ain't great,
he faar or from great good player? Will will will
will help you some, but he's not a cornerstone you.
And now what you're asking, Shannon, is you're asking to
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go from.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
What you know to what you hope.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
I can tell you first round picks that late in
the first round that the Cowboys got worked out. Can
I also tell you once it didn't. So that's the
gamble down that you're walking in here with. Are you
looking are the Cowboys gonna draft whether they drafted five,
six years ago, seven years ago where it was like,
well they were hitting, is it gonna be recent where
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it ain't been so good. That's the risk that you
take when you go away from generational talent or real
good talent and now say well, we're gonna take these
picks and we're gonna go do this, this, and this
in the draft. That is a crapshoot, which we've lived
long enough here to see don't always work in your favor.
(31:56):
And now what happens is you go and take that
draft pick and it doesn't work. Now what and normally,
and I guess the most recent one we can look
at is Khalil Mack. It didn't work well for the
Raids when they sent them away. It didn't work well
for the Bears when they sent them away. That's just
the nature of the beasts. And so you're hoping and
(32:16):
wishing that it all works out. And if it was
a fifth, if my aunt had chestnuts, you'd be my uncle.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
You know, it's great a past Russia's Parson is. The
bottom line is just right here. You either was gonna pay,
then you had to pay a bunch of other players
because it wasn't gonna change. It wasn't gonna change. You
(32:50):
are a middle of the road team as you stand
with Parsons, Yep, you're gonna have to change something. This
is the way they decide to change it. The bottom
line is you're going to have to spend that forty
four million dollars because he's that's what the averaging in
(33:11):
Green Bay, right you got. You're gonna you're gonna to
spend it on some proven talent because if you're going
for the youth movement, if you're going for the true
youth movement like Detroit did and moving out cancers, guys
and guys, you don't think that's right for your team.
This is a three year bill. If you want to
quick fix that, forty four got to go this year.
(33:32):
When this year over with he when free agency hit,
you got to spend that forty four to get to
stay on the chests program, you got to spend. Yeah,
but if you on your program, he can take his time.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Then that was yeah, that was my question is what
what do you you got? I don't think they did
this on purpose for that reason. But now that you're here,
like you said, what are we what are we doing
as a team? Are you trying to get this in
in two years while you to have the high powered
offensive stuff or you like, man, let's just get collateral
(34:05):
and let's go young and make an occasion for five.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Years that ship.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
You know what's on the block next year?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
The kids south south of here?
Speaker 6 (34:14):
No number four? Right you if you if you're if
you're talking about a long term thing, go get more collateral.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
And mister Jones will get you more. First as long
as he think he has a quarterback, he gonna take
a shot. The forty four has to be spent this
coming year, this season, see okay, after after this twenty
fifth season six and it's got to be.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
But this is this is what I pushed back on,
not pushback on you, but say it get you is
is that does the forty four go get spent on
trying to acquire Dexter Lawrence, or does the forty four
get gets utilized and going to get.
Speaker 6 (35:00):
Nine to two million dollar players.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
The thing is nine mingos, which is what.
Speaker 7 (35:06):
They're going to get, seventeen mingos the bottom of the box,
Ken Murray's I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
The bottom line is no quick fix. See the bottom
This don't work fast, regardless of see wed media make
people think it works fast. It don't work fast regardless
of whether you go spend it on two nine million
dollar players or whether you go spending on dexor Lawrence,
which he ain't leaving. They ain't promise you he ain't
(35:34):
got a problem with Rams might say otherwise, Philly might
say otherwise, say otherwise, by what it can happen quick Yeah, Yeah,
that's a different program. That is a totally different program. See,
because you got to look at how you normally build
your team history with these that you just talking about,
they don't mind building from the inside out. We for
(35:57):
the last ten years, we have never built from the
got Mazie that that's the best we've done in the
last five or six years. We don't build that in.
Speaker 7 (36:08):
The last five or six year the god you you
got Micah Michaels of this fifth year.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, but I understanding. We don't build. We build from
the glamor position, and that is what always killed us.
That that is what since we've been doing the show together,
what have y'all been hearing me scream? Even? And when
you came in, I'm like, well, okay, let let's let's
see what Jesse's talking about. If you don't build your
team from the inside out, you're never gonna have true consistency. Never.
(36:40):
Never the last four past rushers JJ Watt is number
four or number three on your list of great pass rushers. TJ. Now,
I ain't been to the playoffs. But if you look
at number ninety nine for the RAM are you look
(37:01):
at Jones for k C? Are you look at this dude,
Number ninety eight for Philadelphia. We didn't know them. We
knew them ns on the on the outside because we
play against them, because I mean the Cowboys. But most
people didn't know these folks, not the fans, but they
know who number ninety eight is now and they know
about that Super Bowl. If you if you build this
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thing right and it ain't no quick fix, brother.
Speaker 6 (37:26):
But that can, but it ain't what I get.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
Chris Jones and Aaron Donald and Taylor Carter, all those
rosters were built heavy. They were good rosters. They had
good secondary, they had good linebackers, they had.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Good that they were all made better by them guys.
Speaker 7 (37:42):
And that's my point, right, Like we can talk about
how good Ocea is a good player?
Speaker 6 (37:47):
Right, Oh is a B level No? No, he ain't
a B level play when you take eleven off the equation.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
No, no, no, you didn't. I named guys. I did
the name.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
You're you're naming cornerstones. You're getting future building Jones. Yes,
but they also have asked you was how do.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
They build it? How do they get it back? That's
what you asked, right, You gott do they build this?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Do they get it quick?
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Do they get it? Loan?
Speaker 7 (38:13):
You gotta take that money and you gotta go get players.
You got that, And that's what those guys did. Yes,
they drafted Chris Jones, and they drafted Aaron Donald, they
drafted Carter, right, but they also said, Hmmm, I'm gonna
go get this dude, and I'm gonna go get that dude,
and I'm gonna go get uh, you know, they said,
I'm gonna go get Jayleen Ramsey and I'm gonna get
(38:33):
this guy, and I'm gonna go get Matt Stafford.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
And I and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
So so it can happen quick. It can happen quick.
But you have to be willing to.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Go into change the philosophy, and it's what they don't do.
Speaker 6 (38:47):
They're not.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
They haven't, they haven't.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
But my question was, now that you're in this situation
and this has happened, do you say, you know what
we actually do?
Speaker 4 (38:58):
We do like baseball, get rid.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Of this contract, get rid of this one, get rid
of this one, and then next year we got draft picks,
we got money, we go you know, do you change us?
Speaker 4 (39:09):
History says hell no, that's what I have to go off.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
Yeah, but history also says you don't trade one of
the best defensive players in the league.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
And we just did that again. Every so many years
you get you have one of these out like.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
Was Jalen Ramsay elite?
Speaker 8 (39:25):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (39:26):
The cornerback was he elite?
Speaker 6 (39:28):
He was very good?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Yeah, he was very good.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
He was a veteran, he was the.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Leader of his defense.
Speaker 6 (39:33):
He was one of he was the leader.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, he was the man. I would never downplay my
Michael Parsons, never Michaeh whatever you want to call him,
Pittsburgh from Michael. You think that it is all the same.
Speaker 7 (39:48):
You think Steven got tired of I like it, Stephen,
like listen that Michaeh.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
And then he still did and he just gave.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
But you know what's so funny said, you have nothing
against this man, but you will pronounce his name right
me and you missus Jones that you cannot downplay his talent.
But the bottom line is, I'm what are you gonna do.
You're gonna you're gonna show honor to him, like, hey, man,
(40:18):
when we when we start the game, we just gonna
put a mannequin out there with number eleven on it,
just in honor. No, the game is gonna be played.
How do you start fixing it? You gotta start fixing.
Speaker 6 (40:30):
That's Monday Show. That's Monday Show. Talk about that on Monday, No,
No to day.
Speaker 7 (40:35):
We gotta tell you today this fan asks you.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
How do you fix it? You gotta ask you, Jesse, I.
Speaker 8 (40:41):
Don't know you have more cap space.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
You gotta you gotta go spend it.
Speaker 8 (40:45):
You got can you can you build a team and
you have the highest offensive paid player in the highest defensive.
Speaker 6 (40:51):
It makes it difficult.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
It makes it difficulty to me. I seem more I'm
starting to see more positivity in this move.
Speaker 7 (40:58):
But again, you you now have to and you go
back to putting so much heavily on a draft.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
A draft has to hit so much if you're going if.
Speaker 7 (41:07):
You're not gonna pay guys, veterans right the top not
don't give me the don't give me the the dudes
who on their last leg, and and and the journeyman,
the top level dudes. When we talk about free agency,
when free agency, are they doing the illegal the illegal
talking before freeency opened, so that the third day it
opens up, we getting we getting the A level.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Right, Maybe now you're getting George Pickens, you.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
Know who, Jorge picking Agencies.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
We need a break, Yeah, we'll take a break.
Speaker 6 (41:34):
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Speaker 4 (44:09):
I apologize, we're.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Not going to get to the phones. We had way
more to talk about than we thought. We got into
some really good conversation.
Speaker 6 (44:18):
Kurt got.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
I knew Kurt showed some emotion for once on the
show like that. Nate went at Kurt for the first
time ever.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
No oh, he came in Kurt. He used to go
at it on the top. But Kurt, my thing is
this right here is uh. I don't like going at
my teammates. But I wanted him to understand that this
thing like yeah, sitting over in this seat because I
feel like I just don't. I just don't, you know.
Speaker 6 (44:45):
I thought, hold on, kurk get behind me.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
But it's something.
Speaker 4 (44:50):
Negotiations.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
One thing about negotiations clean, it's never such negotiations like fighting.
And dude that puts his barre knuncles at eight yard man,
this dude get kicked all in the junk and everything.
Come on, man, ain't no, it's nothing fair. You heard
missus Jones say, boy, you said you weren't gonna trade him,
(45:12):
and miss Jones say, thank you for getting that out there.
Come on, this is negotiations in any way. Like Jesse said,
he got in the water with a shark and when
he by the time he realized, oh my god, I
did say that because mister h he said, did you
(45:33):
tell Jered? Yeah, yeah, I did agree. Yeah, okay, you know,
but hey, Michael stud he knowew he like, man, man, Hey,
this is where it starts, Jared, this is where it starts.
What Michael told you was just the prelib Yeah, and
so Jared like, nah, we shook hands. Nah. So yeah,
I understand. I know. You know. Now he know, and
(45:55):
you know that you don't get in the water with
the sharks, man, because it's always a man. God. You
seen the movie Mecca.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
It's a Mexican Macadona's.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
I think I.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Don't get into one, folks.
Speaker 8 (46:09):
Man.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
I think it's safe to say.
Speaker 5 (46:12):
That as long as Jerry's in control of the team,
this will probably never happen again, because this put.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Every player in the league. If you start talking to
the man unless you want out of here.
Speaker 7 (46:27):
Just a Michael Parson rule, It's becomes this is this
is the Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (46:34):
Like Jerry's gonna be like, are we doing this the
dark way or the mic away.
Speaker 7 (46:38):
And and and and let me also say this, This
don't happen with everybody, Okay, it don't. It don't happen
with it, Like, don't don't think the Jesse Hollies of
the world is gonna have this problem.
Speaker 6 (46:51):
We're not right, Like, we're not. This only happens with
the elites.
Speaker 7 (46:56):
This, this is, this is we start talking about big,
big honey, we ain't talking about you know, this didn't
happen with Jake Ferguson. You know what I'm saying, only
what the elites that this happened with because everyone else
gets handled differently.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
He told Fergie what he was gonna make. Ferggie like,
hey man, look run you either cut this deal that
you got. The mine was so quick because that's when
free agency, this new form of free agent, I can't
think what it was called back then, was out, you know,
and uh, we was going into the summer. But did
(47:33):
we make it to the summer. Yeah, we were going
to the summer. Then the season started, you know. Uh,
the year before I was my contract was inspiring and
it was so you know what I mean, I ain't
got no shame of my game. Hey, Jimmy, what you're
gonna do? Because Jimmy was the GM back then, Man,
what you're gonna do? Come on now, your boy ain't
ball playing. I did what you asked me to do.
I played right time. Come down my back man. What
(47:54):
you want to do this? And so he asked me
what we was going for? And I say, hey, this
is what we want? This is He said, you shure
how many years? I'm like, I had two? Three years? Okay,
tell your man to call me.
Speaker 4 (48:06):
Had you already talked to your agent though? And said
this is what I want?
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yeah, I already find an agent want because I like, Jim,
what do you want? What we're looking for? Boom? He
told me this is the market boom. So I told
Jim Jim's agent call, We'll get it cleared up. And
the next day Big was getting ready to I'm like, like, what.
Speaker 4 (48:26):
Just that easy?
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Hunh? It was? But that's how easy it a little money,
that's a little bit. But the other tale of that
story is Troy came up and they had to work
all summer and all a part of the next year
to get him signed. It don't happen everybody.
Speaker 7 (48:39):
I don't trust me when when the ron comes up
and and you know, other guys.
Speaker 6 (48:44):
Listen, here's what we got. Yeah, you want it, you
don't want it.
Speaker 7 (48:49):
I'm going I'm going to gogotiate a little bit with you.
It only happened like this, only this, only this. That's
a leak conversation.
Speaker 2 (48:55):
Don't don't.
Speaker 8 (48:56):
This is Landon Smith's signed now to kind of sue
the wound.
Speaker 7 (48:59):
If I like the way you're thinking, if Jerry is
about changing the way that history had says he's operated,
do some early deals.
Speaker 6 (49:08):
You got forty million, you got forty plus million dollars.
Now go ahead and get.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Tyler Smith out the way before his number go up.
And now you do we deal with this next year,
Go ahead and get Duran Bland done up. Go ahead
and get Butter Aubrey done up. Get him out the
way that way. You know, I got these guys locked up.
Speaker 6 (49:25):
They good next year.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Now I can go focus on building the other If
you're gonna change a quick change, I can now focus
on going building other guys around what we have. Cause
this window, man, this was we're talking about for your quarterback.
Two years, you got this year, you got next year.
If it ain't happening in those two years, Man, you
(49:46):
gotta have the next big conversation. Are we starting to
look in the drivet for our replacement? Is has Joe
Milton developed enough to take the next step to be
our franchise?
Speaker 5 (49:57):
Or do you package some of those number ones together
and go up and get somebody.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
It's gonna be interesting, always is Fellas.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
Good stuff, great insight, great conversation.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
Nate. I'm glad that you stayed. Next day. I'm glad
you fly.
Speaker 11 (50:11):
Gott Kurk going, I know Man got you fired, Chris,
Chris like the far On. Sorry Hunter, everybody, have a
great Labor Day weekend. Nate, have a great trip, Chris,
thanks for keeping us on their Josh, thanks for keeping
him company.
Speaker 5 (50:27):
We'll see you Tuesday, no show Monday. We'll be here today,
same time, same place, with the boy.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
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