March 13, 2025 • 50 mins
It’s been a busy couple of days for the Cowboys as free agency gets going. So are we good with the strategy here? Signing depth guys with hopes they can make an impact? What about letting guys go like DeMarcus Lawrence, Jourdan Lewis and Rico Dowdle? Was that the right decision? Plus, the Cowboys have lost a few of their leaders. Will that be an issue in the locker room? Let’s dig into the latest!
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How you guys doing better than I'm doing? Good welcome Chris. Yeah,
we'll give jesse Ment a co I'm dying. At least
you made show. I died last week and didn't make
it to the show.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
So they will call you soft and everything.
Speaker 6 (01:56):
Dude, I hadn't been I don't know if it was us.
You are not a machine, Jesse neither am I. You
would not have wanted me on the show Thursday situations.
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Notting Rise running all over the microphone would not have
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But it's only one day, one day, and I was good.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
So uh may do y'all remember a we'll get I
want your take on part of this.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
But do y'all remember? And it probably happens every year.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You just don't realize it.
Speaker 5 (02:30):
This many big names flying around trading teams and getting
cut and a.
Speaker 8 (02:36):
Lot of receivers for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well that's why I was gonna bring up, what is
your take on why so many big name, big contract
receivers or flat out just getting cut because you know,
people don't want to take on their contracts as it is,
there that much talent now coming out of college, that
receiver depth is better than.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It used to be, and it's easy to get you.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Know, a number one two or is the game changing.
Is the salary cap effect the words should take on that.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
I think the answer is yes to all of the above.
I think the talent has definitely grown. When you think
about now, look at how many kids in high school
are doing private training, one on one training. The development
of the game is happening at a much faster rate.
So you're getting more college ready players. And then you're
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getting into college and now those guys aren't taking as
long as it used to take to get ready, so
you just have you just have an accelerated production that
it is happening in the skill positions, and the kids
are getting bigger too, bigger, stronger, faster, like across the board.
And then the second thing is when they come into
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the league, you're starting to see more now of the system. Right,
we used to make fun of the system quarterback or
the system. Look at what the Niners have done the last.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Couple of years.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It's like plug a player in here, he runs this,
we run this system. If he does not need to do.
In this system, everything flows and everything functions, and so
you're seeing more of that. You're seeing more of the
new age coaches come in taking a lot of the
think workout, taking a lot even like a lot of
the skill workout of Hey, just be where you're supposed
to be when you're supposed to be there and the
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progression of this route and you'll be open.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
So is that a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Testament of how far ahead of the game Bill Belichick
was because in there what he used to do. Yeah,
take player A, B, C, D yes, and then put
him in here and they're still gonna get this many yards.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
And those teams who develop those type of dynasties you
look at it and it's it's it's only until the
rest of the league catches up and then you're no
longer the hot shot again. And we saw that with
the Shanahans, the mc veigs.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
You become the old guy with the hot shot.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Young you gotta event you, so you gotta find other
ways to become hot and so and so. Now teams
are just looking at it and saying, I can find
the next guy, and it's it's you. And then you
end up having the big names are casualties of doing
business because yes, we signed you, and we we we
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we talk about the Eagles a lot and how they're
doing business. Eventually they'll have to pay the piper. They're
winning now, but in a couple of years you'll see,
oh man, they had to get rid of Saquon, they
had to get rid of Davante, and they had to
get rid of aj because you just come to a
point where you can't push that bill down the road anymore.
The window of you winning with at that cost, uh
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is it's not feasible anymore. So you start seeing teams
let go of these guys and and just basically no
one wants to say it anymore.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
It's it's it's kind of like a forbidden word grouping.
But it's a soft rebuild, like the Niners are going
through a soft rebuilt. That's what they're going through right now.
They've had some major cups. And when you're when you
have a quarterback, and this is the key part of
it all, when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
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that gives you think about it, in Esse, its fifty
million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
To play with.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
When you think about it, when you have a quarterback
who's on a rookie deal, I have an extra fifty
million dollars that I can go and do what I
need to do with and then it comes to a
point in time where now you're looking up and you're saying,
uh oh, like Washington, they're able to do what they're
able to do because Jaydon Daniels costs a very little
bit about a money amount of money towards their overall
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salary cap.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And it just amplifies that when you have a rookie
quarterback that's really good.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
That's really good, it helps you right right, Or they
did it with rock Party when brock Perty was playing.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, it's a rookie deal.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
That's part of why they're cutting everybody. They're gonna him.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
They got to pay him. They have to make a decision.
This is the guy we're gonna go forward with. So
we got to make room because if we're gonna do
a deal now or in the next year, it's gonna
cost us forty five to fifty to fifty five million
dollars to play quarterback in the National Football League, and
so we can't keep all those big names around and
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pay him. So it's like, let's start our soft rebuild now,
Let's go through our little bit of hiccups now, and
then next year we'll come out the gates and we'll
be signing guys and doing guys because you know you'll
sign them, and once you sign them, the money gets
pushed towards the back of the contract. So you'll sign them.
He'll have a big time for you. He'll have a
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big time signing bonus, but it'll count pennies towards the
salary cap of that year, which means I can now
go and play back in that pool again. I can
go play in the pool of getting those players out
of YadA YadA, and then it'll come to roost.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
In a couple of years.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
So it's it's a combination of all of those things
being yes, okay, Kurt, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
How do you feel about what the Cowboys have done
in free agency so far?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, keeping guys, letting guys go.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Yeah, I mean I think we all there's certain guys.
You know, We're nice to have Jordan Lewis here. I
don't know if ten million a year was worth that.
Same with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got a real good deal
of Seattle. It'd be nice to have him. They're there's
there got some big holes to fill, especially on the
defensive line, cornerbacks, some other spots. I like that they're
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adding depth, but I don't feel like they've really other
than maybe linebacker, I don't think they've really added any
impact players. So they're kind of doing what they said
they were going to do, you know, just selectively relectively
aggressive and just kind of I guess the plan is
they're gonna They've opened their setting their SUPs up so
they can grab impact players in the draft. Right now.
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It's got the fan base a little worried. I think.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's like it feels like business as usual, and business
has not been good for twenty years.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
This is the little draft me.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Yeah, yes, this has been the the roadmap for them
for years.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And you're you're going and getting a bunch of guys
that nobody else wanted, that never lived up to their potential,
that you're thinking can fill holes because at one time
they were first round talent or second round talent.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
It just feels like the same old thing at a.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think a very pivotal point in this franchise. I
feel like you're losing your fan base. I feel like
everybody's just kind of ho, hume whatever. And I feel
like the business model is going the same way it
used to. When you need you need to maybe, you know,
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whatever happens on the field happens on the field, right, Like,
I feel like maybe they're over evaluating the talent that's
on the roster again because they're not going and making
the re signing guys.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
That are good players, right, but they're.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Not like, oh see you talked about it, not not
really a twenty million dollar player, but homegrown somebody, you like,
somebody that's familiar with the system, somebody that's here probably
overpaid a little bit or a lot, however you look
at it. You know, I think all the rest of
the resigned guys, the special teams, you want to keep
them intact because that was a shining point, you know,
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last year you got that back. By the way, shout
out to Cavante Turpin, probably the richest man in Monroe,
Louisiana now.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Shout out.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
But I mean, it just feels like, you know, and listen,
if I was upstairs, this was my organization, I.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Would I would probably be the same way. This is
the way I do business, this is my team, this
is the way I'm going to run it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I would hope you wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Eventually, We're I'm gonna get there. But at the same time,
it's like I think you just as a fan, you
just want to be you want to shake up, you
want to you know no.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
I think Jerry even said it last week that you
know there are planning on these young guys and these
injured guys coming back and stepping up. And that's a
lot of hope, a.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Lot of hope.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I tell you what if you if you miss
on the draft, because it looks like where you're going
with running back, you're all in on the draft, whether
you go early or whatever, because you know Rico the
only and I don't remember I don't remember a time
here where running back was this uncertain. You always had
somebody that was familiar with Rico gone and you you
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what's it Williams right, which is basically the numbers look
like kind of a Rico two point oh.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah, and you're not familiar with that's a tar Hill
I'm talking about. That's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know, you know a tar Hill biased.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
So you're putting all your eggs in a in a draft.
It looks like a draft basket that you haven't been.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
You haven't hit on. You definitely didn't hit last year.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
You you last two years ago yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Right, So if you don't hit on this, you're talking
about disaster for your franchise if that's where you're going,
and so far in free agency that seems like where
you're going.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yet.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Jerry made the comment this offseason and I guess this
will this will be the comment. Last year it was
all in. This year will be the selectively be aggressive.
And then he talked about the other day it was
about with the last Wednesday about we don't we don't
have any holes, we don't have any voids. These are
avoid fillers. Okay, this with these are you can say
you don't have any voids. You got voids. You avoided linebacker,
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You still got a void that corner, you got void
at running back. You have avoided second wide receiver like
you got voids. You still probably have some voids up
front the defensive line, and you can probably afford to
bring in maybe another offensive line or two.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
You got voids.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
And these players I get while they're doing it, like
the move, I think, who was it? Denzel Washington says,
never confuse movement with progress, and so they're making moves
to feel the void.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But these aren't progressive moves, none of them.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
These are moves you have to make to operate the franchise.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Is a move that you have to make to actually
play legal football, ye, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like to actually have eleven dudes on offense, have eleven
dudes on defense, and have eleven dude.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
And not get embarrassed on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
People don't realize they only had like forty guys on
the right roster, so you actually have to go sign.
You gotta sign to make a roster. They allow you
to have nineties right now, they got like forty, so
you got fifty guys to go.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Thanks for putting that in perspective. You know, I'm just
letting y'all know.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Ye, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
At some point, you gotta get you gotta get guys.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
You have to get guys on this roster to have
a legal roster to go actually go and play football
and practice football and do all the team things that
you need to do, you know, weekend and week out
during the offseason.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
And I don't know if this was on purpose by you, Kurt,
or it just happened that way, all right, But there's
this emphasis that we keep seeing former first round for
the first round, former first round, former first round, former
first round.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Like like when you put on this list, like that
was interesting.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
That's a telling sign, like like we are the I
call it will to spend the block franchise. If we
like the guy doing the draft seven years ago, we
like their traits six years ago, five years.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
We think we could do better than somebody.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
We'll spend the block on them quick, you know. And
so when you hear former first round pick, former first
round pick, just want to let people know, you never
hear former first round pick over players that were actually
lived up to that, to that billing.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You don't hear that, You don't.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
You don't hear former first round pick for guys who
actually lived up to it. Now you get released, you know,
seven eight years out down the road.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you lived up to that first Michael Parsons described
as a former first round.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, you don't hear it. You just don't.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You don't hear it because you hear them by their
first name, Micah, and everybody in the league knows who
they are.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
You see what I'm saying, Like like no one says
no one says former first round pick Joey Bosa.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
This is Joey Bosa, right, you know what I mean?
Like so that that's a telling sign to me. And
and the Cowboys are they always they always looking for
the traits. It's always through the traits plus reclamation project,
you know, for affordable price measurable.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Is this the kind of guy we like other the traits?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Right?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Like they they they measure a certain way, they do
a certain thing, and we like them in the draft
and they will come out in the draft. And so
all those things balled up. And one is what you
see in the newly acquired players the Cowboys have. And
we can we can kind of go through them and
I can give you my thoughts. I watched I had
a chance to watch some of them, not all of them,
and I had to watch all of them extensively, just
kind of peeked in and uh, and yeah, we can
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we can talk about them and see, I guess give
a grade to it or what happened.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Just some of those grades.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, let's get in. Do you still have that? Pull
that up and when we come back, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And by the way, Osa, you are now a twenty
million dollar player.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Despite what Jesse said.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
What's wild is you are he actually left money on
the table from what the markets looking like right now.
I don't know if he and his anything was like,
let's just get a deal. He's actually left. He could
have been more of a Richard.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
He could have been more of a richard, have been
a twenty two million, could have been easily. Maybe that's
not important to him.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Maybe it's not.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Maybe quality of life and where you're at and they been.
Maybe he has the inside track.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And what you can do with twenty that you can't
do with twenty two. It's a twenty two twenty whatever
was great?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Point that extra two million when you're already making twenty.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Sence where he's signing Texas is Yeah, I'm just saying
that actually actually brought that up.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah, I heard at his interview he brought that up.
Jacksonville might give you some money.
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Speaker 4 (19:45):
Of trivia boys.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Oh yeah, yea yeah, I got something for you. Let's
do trivia first.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Someone brought this up to me, uh, a couple of
shows ago.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Did you research it to make sure it was accurate?
Speaker 13 (19:54):
It was accurate?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Okay, good, Okay?
Speaker 13 (19:57):
Can you name the players left from the Garrett error?
The players left from the Garrett era? So one, coach,
you go, how many years ago was that?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Five?
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Five? How many are there? I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Zero Then DAK, c J Goodwin, CJ good Ones, two,
DAK CD, Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Donovan Wilson CD, And that's it.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Ced didn't play for Garrett.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
He was drafted in twenty twenty, which was the COVID year,
and that was McCarthy's first draft.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
That's it. Three guys, three guys left.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Wow, Dak CJ and Donovan Donovan.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a good trivia question, Chris. Thanks appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And Dak's now your longest tenure cowboy, right yep, I.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Mean years ten twenty sixteen.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
So being I'll be interesting to see when training camp
starts because that's when they come in five out what
the youngest team in the NFL is.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah, that will be interesting. Uh, Jordan Lewis, DeMarcus Lawrence
not surprised by either one of those guys leaving or
for what.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
They signed for.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, And I was shocked that Jordan Lewis got that.
I'm happy for Jordan. I was shocked that they got
ten Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Yeah, Yeah. They had said they wanted him back. They
were trying to get him, but they just weren't going to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Go that high.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Would you all pay ten million for him? Considering you
really have one corner right now that you can depend on.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
And he's ten is tough, thirty at his age, and.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I mean he was your nickel corner.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
If I don't think I signed Jordans.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
If I knew that my team was a serious contender,
I might have signed Jordan Man if I knew that
my team was a serious contender. I might have done
could have been that one piece of I might have
done two for twenty.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Really yeah, see that's said one person I read speculated
that same day they signed Marcus Marquis Bell. Could he
be your slot guy having played some linebacker, he's bigger?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No, no, no.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
He's not bigger knowledge no.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
No, not not the cover receivers. I mean Jordan, what
Jordan did in the slot you're talking about. You know,
he went up against some premium guys, you know what
I mean, And he battled against some premium gods. I
don't I don't think Marquis Bell is versatile. But he's
more versatile in the sense of, you know, coming down
in the box, you know, tackle running backs, cover some
tight ends. But to have to cover a receiver, you know,
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forty yards running across the field, Yeah, he'd be he'd
be a he'd be in a blender, he would be.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
So DeMarcus went to Seattle, right, Yeah, three years forty
two million, not to aiden dirty.
Speaker 12 (22:50):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Jordan Lewis h Jacksonville three years thirty million, a doga
same place, two years seven million. Ricos rised me a
little bit the money that he got Carolina one year,
six point twenty five million.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
That's okay, So the six point twenty five is up
to Incent Events. Yeah, it's more like it's.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Like like what what they gave Javonte?
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Yeah, that surprised me that they for what they spent
on Javonte, why they didn't bring you?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And then Chauncey Ghoston signed with the Giants three years,
nineteen and a half million.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
One thing about DeMarcus Lawrence, boy, he don't he don't
miss when it comes time to going to the bank.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
No, he don't miss. That's his what third big contract?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
He don't miss.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And he's been hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He don't him.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Was it?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
David Cant is the cantor so when whenever it is,
in fact, all of David Cat's content clients, right, Lawrence
Lewis No, yeah, Lawrence Lewis.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Rico was in there, Dad was in there too, right yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
But when it comes to whenever David Canton, DeMarcus Lawrence,
they see out of eye when it come to them
checks because he don't miss with it. Coud of to
Marcus lower good Fee, they go to the bank together.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well, happy for all those guys, as people sad to
see all of them go from a team perspective. Then
re signed guys of course, the punter Anger two years
six point four million, Cavante Turpin three years, thirteen and
a half, your long snapper three years four point four
to five million, Marquise Bell get to see him back
(24:27):
three years nine million.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Goodwin, which has been here for seems like he's fifty
years old.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Wow is one year when he got here.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
One point four million and Osa four years eighty million.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
So I wanted to get Nate's opinion on this because
he was preaching, we need all those guys back, and
we needed Jordan Goldston. Don't do like last year we
lost ormstrong and foulering man. They did exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
So would you just looking at who the newly acquired
guys are the guys they let go? These are what
you said gap fillers, right, would you have left some
gaps open to get some of these guys back and
move this money around?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Like DeMarcus. I don't I love DeMarcus.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I don't know physically what he's got left because he's
you know, with his back problem he's had, and then.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
What is it fot foot.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Not good problems to have as a defensive end, so
that money's a little bit steep. But these other guys
I would have thought you would have for it's a
lot of money for these guys, but looking at who
you signed, does it balance out? Would you try to
keep your own guys like Nate said, or would you
do you think it's good.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
To kind of move on and try some different.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Out of the five that we lost, I think three
I would have I would have liked to keep. I
would have liked to keep Jordan, Rico and Gholson. Those
three I would have liked to keep if you could
have somehow, some way. And I don't even know if
it's really like money, because even when you're sitting right now,
the Cowboys, yes they got they got some more some
(26:00):
more depth. But I don't know if the replacements are
better than what we lost, right you know what I mean? Like,
I don't know if that's like Javonte is to me
and Kurt has the PFF grades for if you if
you if you value that for whatever you value that
(26:21):
for Javonte is not better than Rico.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's not. He's not.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Maybe he's a better pass catch out of the backfield,
but he's not a better running back than Rico. I
don't know what Gabe Jones is. I mean, they'll have
some competition there. But if that was the case, you know,
whether it's guard or whether it's tackle. You know with Tuma, do.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
You like that these are all like one year deals,
a bunch of most of them, and it's just like
a quick.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
That's what lets me know these are like fillers.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
These are avoid fillers because you don't have any long term plans.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And and let me also add this to the mix.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Just because these guys are signed today, that don't mean
they make this football team. Like there's a there's a
none of this money, like it's really really guaranteed money
until you get onto the roster after sept whatever the
September date is that you add to the roster and
that money becomes guaranteed. Whatever you get in your signing bonus,
that's you know whatever that those guys who have some
signing bonuses, but.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It is not.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
This newly acquired list are a bunch of guys who,
like Chris and I was saying earlier, we gotta feel
a team. You gotta put guys on the team to
feel the team. Doesn't mean that they're going to actually
be here when we break camp and we start our
seating off in September. That that's not a None of
these guys are Exton Stone and so we'll see, well,
(27:46):
we'll see what they have. You know, like I said,
what it what it lends you is I don't have
to go into the draft with dire needs like I
don't if if I go into the draft and I
can't really get the linebacker around want, I'm not too
tore up about it because I got two linebackers already.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I suppose if you go into the draft and you
don't have you all you got is a Maris on
your football team right now, and and uh, what's the
guy who was in the doghouse last year?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Damon Clark.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Now you're going to the draft and you almost kind
of it's a pressing need now you may reach you
may have to kind of really go above and beyond
and get a guy because you don't have any guys.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
These guys they're.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
I don't know, they still be running back And yeah, Cornery.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
No no, no, You're still going to draft those guys for sure.
But again I am I Jerry said it about you know,
I was a little bit over ahead of my skis
when I drafted a first round left tackle and I
just threw them out there and thought it was gonna work.
So you want to kind of have some guys in
the position if if that, if that young fella ain't
quite coming along like you need them to, because it's
(28:55):
a lot of pressure on your organization to going to
the draft and saying, well, I need rounds one, two and.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Three to hit. Yeah, like that's pressure.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Like I need one, two and three to be instant, impact,
productive human football players today. Now, normally you feel that
way about one right one you're kind of saying, like,
all right, you know, I'm at twelve one, should come
in here and be able to go. You feel that
way two and three you kind of you know, the
(29:29):
percentage goes down a little bit, but you're still kind
of feeling a little.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Bit hopeful forward. But the pressure is on.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Now that boy we miss on our last two drafts,
so to speak, not so to speak, you missing your
last two drafts. You know early on, I gotta get
these guys in here going right now, because if not,
Kenneth Murder's at the guy that you're gonna want out
there as your starting middle linebacker, rotational guy. Sure, but
(29:56):
if he's your starting backer, if Javonte was just starting
running back, oof, life get difficult.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Ah, all right, getting depressed. Let's take a break. Let's
take a break. We'll come back. Let's let we come back.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Chris, you brought it up, Kurt, you had it kind
of in your notes, like this is a very different
looking football team and a lot of your veteran guys
that were you're you know, would get in your face
behind closed doors, you know, not really, I don't know
if they talked about it a lot publicly, but you know,
(30:35):
DeMarcus Lawrence, Jordan Lewis, Zach Martin, those were all guys
that held that locker room accountable. And now within five years,
you've got three guys that have been on the team
five years are longer, right. You got these leaders in
the locker room that are gone. So let's talk about
(30:55):
the locker room dynamic because I've talked to Nick about
this and it always seems to come true, and I
want to get your take on it, because I think
a locker room morphs into what most locker rooms are
the same. You have the same characters no matter who
(31:16):
you get rid of, it's almost like, Okay, we need
a jerk, we need a nice guy, and people morph
into those roles as people leave, because you're always going
to have an Orlando Scandrid, Right, You're always going to
have somebody that's not real nice to the media.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Right, humans, not just media, But you're.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Like, you're always going to have, you know, the nice guy.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Like, I want to get your take on that, because
you've been in a lot of different locker rooms. How
you know, you get rid of this guy and then
all of a sudden somebody kind.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Of takes on that role.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
But this is very different, and you know, maybe it's
a good thing with the new coaching staff coming in
and they can.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Kind of mold it or does it mold itself. Let's
talk about that and maybe some other things when we
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Speaker 5 (34:19):
Talk about the locker room, Jesse, You've been in a
few of them, and they are they all.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Are?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They all kind of the same but different? Is there
always you know, your usual cast of characters, like you
have the the kind of quiet leader you know that
sits in there and you know, doesn't say a lot,
and then you got the really outspoken.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Loud guys.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
And then you've got the guys that don't say anything
ever until stuff gets real crazy, and then it's like, all.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Right, fellas, look this is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And you know, is it always kind of the same
hierarchy and then when guys leave, you know, like you
got some leaders.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Here, DeMarcus and George Lewis.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Jordan Lewis was kind of a he's gonna let you
know if you're not doing your job, not really put
it out in the media, but we'll say we you know,
we missed our assignments, we didn't do whatever. People kind
of morph into. You'll have somebody that will morph into
a Jordan Lewis gout. You'll have somebody that'll morph into
a Zach Martin that's not gonna put his business out there.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
But is that typically everywhere you go.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yes, Like and when you were describing it before he
went to the break, it was it was very telling
because you're right, when whatever that person is whoever the
vocal leader. When he goes, someone will morph into being
in that role. Now Here's the thing about the locker
room culture is it's not who has the loudest voice,
(35:48):
but it's about whose voice do they listen to the most.
Because you can be loud and we don't listen to you, right,
Or you can be kind of seft spoken and when
you speak, it speaks.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Right.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
You've been around people when they speak everyone shuts up
and listens, and you've been around people who talk loud
and you're like, this guy's just blowing hot air.
Speaker 11 (36:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
And so that's the biggest thing. It's about the guys
in the locker room. What voice are they gravitating to?
And as much as football is a team sport, it's a.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Clickish locker room.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
You know, not only by positions like yeah, you'll have
your receivers over here, but you'll have your clicks. You'll
have your certain amount of people who will hang around
them and and and then those clicks things formulate. Uh
and and depending on again, depending on who I agree
with who I don't agree with, is who I will
follow and how much I will follow them. You think
(36:45):
about Dak being the quote unquote leader.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Of this football team.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
And it's funny that you brought up leadership because the
Marcus where excuse me, DeMarcus Lawrence was one of those
guys who were was a leader and enjoyed little one
of the guys.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Who was a leader.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
And almost right after the news came out that the
Marcus Lawrence was going to the Seahawks, presumably the next
leader in the pack tweets out, it's my time, lion face,
(37:24):
and you guys know where I stand on when it
comes to leadership. You ain't got to keep shouting at
you're the leader, the lion and the pride. Don't keep
shouting out that I'm the lion. I'm the leader.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He just is.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
He beats the one that was in charge, and now
everyone follows. And so it's gonna be an interesting thing
to look at because who are the masses listening to?
And leadership it breaks down to just being the best
player more than just being the best player, And leadership
(37:59):
takes so.
Speaker 14 (37:59):
Much like.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
If you're old enough, if you're our age and older,
you understanding. You knew Michael Irvin was hell on wheels
off the field to deal with, but he was the
leader of the Cowboys, right like he Nato tell you that.
Most of Gottill tell you that. And it wasn't because
of what he did off the field. It was because
(38:23):
he was the first guy in last got to leave.
Nobody worked harder than him. He worked out, he was
in the film room, he challenged you. He showed up.
And you can know Mike can be out three, four, five,
six o'clock in the morning. He wasn't missing practice. He
wasn't gonna be late. He wasn't gonna half a it
out there on the football field. He wasn't gonna blow assignments.
(38:44):
He wasn't gonna drop the football. He wasn't gonna take
off periods in practice.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You knew that.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
And so that was a guy when he spoke, you listen,
that was a guy who you followed despite what he
what he was, you know his in his and this
off the field life. So you just want to make
sure that when you come down to that leadership that
you're being that guy. And I should say that there
(39:11):
is a there's a fine line that is drawing because
what you do outside of football is no concern to
me unless it has to do with affecting what you do.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Inside of football.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Now, Lina, when you leave out this building, if you
want to go and you got six girlfriends, don't care.
I'm my business. I'm my business. If you want to
go drink, not my business. Not my business. If you
want to go cheat on your wife, ain't my business.
(39:51):
But if that is affecting what you do in the building,
it becomes my business because your job ultimately intertwines with
my job. You see what I'm saying. So that's when
it becomes a problem. And that's why people say, well
Mike did this. It never affected what they did in
(40:11):
the field. It never it never affected, it never impacted
in a negative way what we were as a team.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And in most I'd say eighty maybe eighty percent of
being a leader or eighty percent.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Of in a locker room is the work and the
work ethic.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Because if you work hard, the respect comes from that.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
You got to be good, right, You can't be yes,
you can't be a mediocre player or you know, an
okay player and be a leader.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
I don't think. I think You've got to be really
good at your position.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And then you have to do the unspoken work, the
film work, the like a Sean Lee kind of guy,
right like, really good at his position, didn't talk much,
but was always in the film room and was always
working extra and always doing the extra work. And then
you develop people gravitate towards that because they admire that
(41:05):
and they respect that. So then that's how you build
kind of that following in the locker room. Or do
you or have you ever seen a leader that's a
leader that kind of had a reputation of.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
He didn't really do the work, but helly, he's a
hell of a player. And you know, are there are
there different types or do you have to do.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to. I'll tell you off there. Okay,
I'll tell you off there because I don't want to.
But but some of your favorites, some of your favorite cowboys,
at least in the time that I was a part
of the team, and I've been coming to a team,
some of your favorite cowboys who were quote unquote the
leaders of the team.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You ain't want to follow that junk.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
But were they leaders to the locker Everybody has their
own opinion outside no right facing like, oh.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
He's a leader, he's a leader.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
But when you really, when you really get to know,
like the people in the locker room, like what we're
going to talk.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
About off air.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
I know some of the guys you're gonna say, right,
and they were good, Right, they're good and they were
they were good players like you were, Like, not only
were a good player, they were some of the best
players on the team in the league. But were they
but were they leaders or were they just leaders to
the public?
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Did they leave the locker room or was it kind of.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Like they had a following.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Okay, let me say that they had a following, but
they didn't have the whole locker they didn't have the whole.
Speaker 8 (42:13):
Locker room, and that somebody like in the case of Martin,
he was probably a good leader, but was he just
a good leader to the offensive lineman? I mean as
a guy, you know, Donovan Wilson gonna follow Zach Martin
that kind of thing. Is it more uh, you know,
broken up.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Like that, segmented in position groups?
Speaker 7 (42:29):
It could be, like it definitely could be. But like
we're talking about offensive lineman. I remember a couple of
years ago when the Nighters would talk about, uh, Trent Williams,
they was, no, he's a leader, he's an offensive lineman.
They said when Trent spoke, we all listened. When Trent
said something office defense whoever you you you you, you
(42:51):
turned your attention to what he was saying. So it
could it couldn't You know? Yes, at times it could
be segmented like that, but there are offensive lineman who
would command the attention of the team bye.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Bye by their work. The work comes first.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
Let me say that you don't get any respect from
anybody on this on this level, if if, if the
productivity is not there, yeah, if they don't, they don't,
if they if you, if you will, bum hush.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
Well we've talked before. I think we've kind of talked
about it's what some of the struggles of this team.
Then the locker room leadership. So you know, I hate
to see these guys leave, and I do think they
were good leaders, but maybe it is time for new blood.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean, it's been a thirty year drought.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
If that, if we're if we're basing it on that,
you know what I'm what I'm saying like there hasn't
been enough leadership to get some over the hump, all right.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
So another question that's related to that, can some of
these guys are leaving like you said there's turnover. There's
young guys that are gonna step in and kind of
fill these roles, and some of them will. I think
there's some guys that say vocally I'm gonna be the
now that he's gone.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
I think there's some.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Guys that build that following and just organically become a leader.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Can let's just say, let's just say.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Dorn Blam, we pull him out in are right, Like,
he's a young talent, he's good. I don't know anything
about his work ethic or anything like that. But can
if you start getting a following in the locker room,
can that translate into confidence on the field and taking
you to the next level of your game.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Yeah, because what happens is when you get a following,
now everyone's watching.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
So now I have to be out of work harder, right,
I have to be here.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I have to know what I'm talking about because the
following comes in and go, hey, hey, Douran, what we
have on this coverage?
Speaker 4 (44:42):
What's the call? If I don't know, I lose my following.
Speaker 7 (44:46):
Like that's the part about the following is when they
when they need answers, when they need understanding.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
They come to me and I have to be able to.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Provide that for the mentor and all of that.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Right, So, now when I'm able to go out there
or or it's it's in that it's in that meeting,
and this has happened. I've seen this happen before. It's
in that meeting where whether it's office defense, whether it's
team office defense, or it's a position meeting, and the
coach is saying something and then that guy goes, hold on, coach.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, play it again. Now we
should be in this or that was the call.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
And coach goes, you know what you're right now that
like it's that type of thing. People looking like, oh
he really knows his stuff, you know what I'm saying.
When it's when you're you know, sometime when you're in
that meeting room and and and like I said, coach
is calling things out.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Coach is calling things out.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
Now you're looking at it and it's saying, oh, wow,
I don't know, I don't know, I don't have the answers.
And now looking at you like, well then I can't
trust you.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
I can't I can't.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
Follow a man who don't know what he's doing. If
he knows what he's doing, I can follow. But if
he if he's if he's questioning what he has to do,
then I'm gonna question him and what I have to do.
So now I gotta find a new leader. And so
when you have those guys that are able to set
that type of tone, the following growth, the following growth,
(46:12):
and once you have a following now you look around
and you go, oh, I am an example. Now, so
now I gotta watch the extra film. I gotta be
in the weight room, I gotta be here on time,
I gotta practice, I gotta do all these things because
I look around and it was just about me. Now
I got seven eight guys saying what you think we're
(46:32):
counting on? You were coming to you for the answers.
And that's when that that that's when you can kind
of morph into that uh, into that leader. But it's
it's it's the expectations.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
It can't be I'm the guy.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
It's gotta be trying to give me trouble.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
Na get me, Kurt, You're not gonna get They're not
gonna get me. You're not gonna get me out. I'm
just saying is just be a leader. You have to
tell everybody that you're the leader.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Just be it. Everyone will be a leader.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Kirk, don't tell us you're the leader.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Everyone will know you.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Just keep doing this.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
This work all right, well, fellas, it was fun this.
Hopefully we'll have some big news, some big free agent
signing in the next week.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
We can talk about next week. If not, who knows
what we'll.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Talk about draft something.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
I'm sure somebody upstairs will say something that we'll be
able to, you know, maybe the MAVs will make another move.
Speaker 7 (47:31):
Something completely random. Did you see what Southwest did about
what I was driving in? Southwest? Is crazy? At least
we didn't trade Lucas stop. You guys lost a lot
of customers with that new policy with a sponsor.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Sorry, if you are there, they're not American.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
Let's go, I will I will fly American Now.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I used to be on the other side because of
the free bag policy.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Now, I'm thanks American yepporting the Cowboys because here we go.
All right, fellas, good stuff. We will be back next Thursday,
same time, same But.
Speaker 7 (48:09):
What maybe oh I'm joking?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Okay, what is it?
Speaker 6 (48:15):
When does you drop another spots.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, I know, talking about it.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
What is the draft?
Speaker 5 (48:20):
April twenty six eight, So we have a month and
a half before the draft.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
So we'll start getting into draft talk.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Soon sixty five, start breaking down that film for us.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
I will yeah, I'll get you by. I got big
working on my book for.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
For several months, working to Good Draft magazine, right, yes,
deadline this week?
Speaker 8 (48:40):
Yeah, when's it come out?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Deadline?
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Yeah, probably by the time he gets online, and did
probably be first part of April, first.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Part of April.
Speaker 6 (48:49):
Who all's contributing this year?
Speaker 8 (48:52):
All the normal writers, you know, Kyle's doing a lot
of the work. Tommy Mickey Patrick on Bold.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Good deal you.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Oh sure, we got to plug yourself.
Speaker 15 (49:06):
You're quiet here, but hey yeah, Leading magazine. No, he
just they know that's right, They know you got to
say it. They know no that need to know.
Speaker 9 (49:17):
No drop the draft is the twenty fourth, twenty fourth
there it is twenty four four, twenty six.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
You go twenty seven, twenty two nine.
Speaker 9 (49:25):
You will be very disappointed.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, well twenty six you'll be good.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah, you'll be like the first the first part fourth
Jesus is gonna quick.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
It's in Green Bay this year how many people do
you think are going that you know, I have heard
about lambeau and the mystique in the area of lambeau Field,
and they go to this draft and they get there
and they.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
Go this is a terrible decision. There's nothing to do in.
Speaker 9 (49:50):
Green Bay, Like I want to know where all these
people are going to stay, right Milwaukee shuttling.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Yes, but it's like I guarantee you there's going to
be a large number of people that are going to
go in.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Just be like, this is it.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Cheose it up?
Speaker 9 (50:02):
Amazing stadium, Like we went to Green Bay and stayed
in Appleton.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
Yeah, hey, don't knock Apple.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
That's it. Them airbnbs around the stadium going to.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
Be man lit. You ain't lied. I would take vacation
and be like, take.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It for take it for a week.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
For a week, I'm going to Mexico.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
All right, We'll be back next week. Hopefully tune in
to see if we make it or not.
Speaker 6 (50:23):
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You just don't realize it.
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This many big names flying around trading teams and getting
cut and a.
Speaker 8 (02:36):
Lot of receivers for sure.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Well that's why I was gonna bring up, what is
your take on why so many big name, big contract
receivers or flat out just getting cut because you know,
people don't want to take on their contracts as it is,
there that much talent now coming out of college, that
receiver depth is better than.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It used to be, and it's easy to get you.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Know, a number one two or is the game changing.
Is the salary cap effect the words should take on that.
Speaker 7 (03:05):
I think the answer is yes to all of the above.
I think the talent has definitely grown. When you think
about now, look at how many kids in high school
are doing private training, one on one training. The development
of the game is happening at a much faster rate.
So you're getting more college ready players. And then you're
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long as it used to take to get ready, so
you just have you just have an accelerated production that
it is happening in the skill positions, and the kids
are getting bigger too, bigger, stronger, faster, like across the board.
And then the second thing is when they come into
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the league, you're starting to see more now of the system. Right,
we used to make fun of the system quarterback or
the system. Look at what the Niners have done the last.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Couple of years.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It's like plug a player in here, he runs this,
we run this system. If he does not need to do.
In this system, everything flows and everything functions, and so
you're seeing more of that. You're seeing more of the
new age coaches come in taking a lot of the
think workout, taking a lot even like a lot of
the skill workout of Hey, just be where you're supposed
to be when you're supposed to be there and the
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Speaker 4 (04:22):
So is that a.
Speaker 5 (04:22):
Testament of how far ahead of the game Bill Belichick
was because in there what he used to do. Yeah,
take player A, B, C, D yes, and then put
him in here and they're still gonna get this many yards.
Speaker 7 (04:33):
And those teams who develop those type of dynasties you
look at it and it's it's it's only until the
rest of the league catches up and then you're no
longer the hot shot again. And we saw that with
the Shanahans, the mc veigs.
Speaker 6 (04:47):
You become the old guy with the hot shot.
Speaker 7 (04:49):
Young you gotta event you, so you gotta find other
ways to become hot and so and so. Now teams
are just looking at it and saying, I can find
the next guy, and it's it's you. And then you
end up having the big names are casualties of doing
business because yes, we signed you, and we we we
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we talk about the Eagles a lot and how they're
doing business. Eventually they'll have to pay the piper. They're
winning now, but in a couple of years you'll see,
oh man, they had to get rid of Saquon, they
had to get rid of Davante, and they had to
get rid of aj because you just come to a
point where you can't push that bill down the road anymore.
The window of you winning with at that cost, uh
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is it's not feasible anymore. So you start seeing teams
let go of these guys and and just basically no
one wants to say it anymore.
Speaker 6 (05:44):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
It's it's it's kind of like a forbidden word grouping.
But it's a soft rebuild, like the Niners are going
through a soft rebuilt. That's what they're going through right now.
They've had some major cups. And when you're when you
have a quarterback, and this is the key part of
it all, when you have a quarterback on a rookie deal,
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that gives you think about it, in Esse, its fifty
million dollars a year.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
To play with.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
When you think about it, when you have a quarterback
who's on a rookie deal, I have an extra fifty
million dollars that I can go and do what I
need to do with and then it comes to a
point in time where now you're looking up and you're saying,
uh oh, like Washington, they're able to do what they're
able to do because Jaydon Daniels costs a very little
bit about a money amount of money towards their overall
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salary cap.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
And it just amplifies that when you have a rookie
quarterback that's really good.
Speaker 7 (06:39):
That's really good, it helps you right right, Or they
did it with rock Party when brock Perty was playing.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, it's a rookie deal.
Speaker 8 (06:46):
That's part of why they're cutting everybody. They're gonna him.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
They got to pay him. They have to make a decision.
This is the guy we're gonna go forward with. So
we got to make room because if we're gonna do
a deal now or in the next year, it's gonna
cost us forty five to fifty to fifty five million
dollars to play quarterback in the National Football League, and
so we can't keep all those big names around and
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pay him. So it's like, let's start our soft rebuild now,
Let's go through our little bit of hiccups now, and
then next year we'll come out the gates and we'll
be signing guys and doing guys because you know you'll
sign them, and once you sign them, the money gets
pushed towards the back of the contract. So you'll sign them.
He'll have a big time for you. He'll have a
(07:29):
big time signing bonus, but it'll count pennies towards the
salary cap of that year, which means I can now
go and play back in that pool again. I can
go play in the pool of getting those players out
of YadA YadA, and then it'll come to roost.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
In a couple of years.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
So it's it's a combination of all of those things
being yes, okay, Kurt, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
How do you feel about what the Cowboys have done
in free agency so far?
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Well, keeping guys, letting guys go.
Speaker 8 (07:59):
Yeah, I mean I think we all there's certain guys.
You know, We're nice to have Jordan Lewis here. I
don't know if ten million a year was worth that.
Same with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got a real good deal
of Seattle. It'd be nice to have him. They're there's
there got some big holes to fill, especially on the
defensive line, cornerbacks, some other spots. I like that they're
(08:20):
adding depth, but I don't feel like they've really other
than maybe linebacker, I don't think they've really added any
impact players. So they're kind of doing what they said
they were going to do, you know, just selectively relectively
aggressive and just kind of I guess the plan is
they're gonna They've opened their setting their SUPs up so
they can grab impact players in the draft. Right now.
(08:44):
It's got the fan base a little worried. I think.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's like it feels like business as usual, and business
has not been good for twenty years.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
This is the little draft me.
Speaker 8 (08:58):
Yeah, yes, this has been the the roadmap for them
for years.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
And you're you're going and getting a bunch of guys
that nobody else wanted, that never lived up to their potential,
that you're thinking can fill holes because at one time
they were first round talent or second round talent.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
It just feels like the same old thing at a.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
I think a very pivotal point in this franchise. I
feel like you're losing your fan base. I feel like
everybody's just kind of ho, hume whatever. And I feel
like the business model is going the same way it
used to. When you need you need to maybe, you know,
(09:42):
whatever happens on the field happens on the field, right, Like,
I feel like maybe they're over evaluating the talent that's
on the roster again because they're not going and making
the re signing guys.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
That are good players, right, but they're.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
Not like, oh see you talked about it, not not
really a twenty million dollar player, but homegrown somebody, you like,
somebody that's familiar with the system, somebody that's here probably
overpaid a little bit or a lot, however you look
at it. You know, I think all the rest of
the resigned guys, the special teams, you want to keep
them intact because that was a shining point, you know,
(10:19):
last year you got that back. By the way, shout
out to Cavante Turpin, probably the richest man in Monroe,
Louisiana now.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
Shout out.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
But I mean, it just feels like, you know, and listen,
if I was upstairs, this was my organization, I.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Would I would probably be the same way. This is
the way I do business, this is my team, this
is the way I'm going to run it.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
I would hope you wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Eventually, We're I'm gonna get there. But at the same time,
it's like I think you just as a fan, you
just want to be you want to shake up, you
want to you know no.
Speaker 8 (10:57):
I think Jerry even said it last week that you
know there are planning on these young guys and these
injured guys coming back and stepping up. And that's a
lot of hope, a.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
Lot of hope.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
And I tell you what if you if you miss
on the draft, because it looks like where you're going
with running back, you're all in on the draft, whether
you go early or whatever, because you know Rico the
only and I don't remember I don't remember a time
here where running back was this uncertain. You always had
somebody that was familiar with Rico gone and you you
(11:30):
what's it Williams right, which is basically the numbers look
like kind of a Rico two point oh.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
Yeah, and you're not familiar with that's a tar Hill
I'm talking about. That's tough.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
You know, you know a tar Hill biased.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
So you're putting all your eggs in a in a draft.
It looks like a draft basket that you haven't been.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
You haven't hit on. You definitely didn't hit last year.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
You you last two years ago yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Right, So if you don't hit on this, you're talking
about disaster for your franchise if that's where you're going,
and so far in free agency that seems like where
you're going.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yet.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Jerry made the comment this offseason and I guess this
will this will be the comment. Last year it was
all in. This year will be the selectively be aggressive.
And then he talked about the other day it was
about with the last Wednesday about we don't we don't
have any holes, we don't have any voids. These are
avoid fillers. Okay, this with these are you can say
you don't have any voids. You got voids. You avoided linebacker,
(12:31):
You still got a void that corner, you got void
at running back. You have avoided second wide receiver like
you got voids. You still probably have some voids up
front the defensive line, and you can probably afford to
bring in maybe another offensive line or two.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
You got voids.
Speaker 7 (12:45):
And these players I get while they're doing it, like
the move, I think, who was it? Denzel Washington says,
never confuse movement with progress, and so they're making moves
to feel the void.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
But these aren't progressive moves, none of them.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
These are moves you have to make to operate the franchise.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Is a move that you have to make to actually
play legal football, ye, Like you know what I'm saying,
Like to actually have eleven dudes on offense, have eleven
dudes on defense, and have eleven dude.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
And not get embarrassed on Sunday.
Speaker 9 (13:16):
People don't realize they only had like forty guys on
the right roster, so you actually have to go sign.
You gotta sign to make a roster. They allow you
to have nineties right now, they got like forty, so
you got fifty guys to go.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Thanks for putting that in perspective. You know, I'm just
letting y'all know.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Ye, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
At some point, you gotta get you gotta get guys.
Speaker 7 (13:36):
You have to get guys on this roster to have
a legal roster to go actually go and play football
and practice football and do all the team things that
you need to do, you know, weekend and week out
during the offseason.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
So I get it. I understand it.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
And I don't know if this was on purpose by you, Kurt,
or it just happened that way, all right, But there's
this emphasis that we keep seeing former first round for
the first round, former first round, former first round, former
first round.
Speaker 8 (14:06):
Like like when you put on this list, like that
was interesting.
Speaker 7 (14:13):
That's a telling sign, like like we are the I
call it will to spend the block franchise. If we
like the guy doing the draft seven years ago, we
like their traits six years ago, five years.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
We think we could do better than somebody.
Speaker 7 (14:25):
We'll spend the block on them quick, you know. And
so when you hear former first round pick, former first
round pick, just want to let people know, you never
hear former first round pick over players that were actually
lived up to that, to that billing.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You don't hear that, You don't.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
You don't hear former first round pick for guys who
actually lived up to it. Now you get released, you know,
seven eight years out down the road.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
But you lived up to that first Michael Parsons described
as a former first round.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
You know, you don't hear it. You just don't.
Speaker 5 (14:55):
You don't hear it because you hear them by their
first name, Micah, and everybody in the league knows who
they are.
Speaker 7 (14:59):
You see what I'm saying, Like like no one says
no one says former first round pick Joey Bosa.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (15:05):
This is Joey Bosa, right, you know what I mean?
Like so that that's a telling sign to me. And
and the Cowboys are they always they always looking for
the traits. It's always through the traits plus reclamation project,
you know, for affordable price measurable.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Is this the kind of guy we like other the traits?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Right?
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Like they they they measure a certain way, they do
a certain thing, and we like them in the draft
and they will come out in the draft. And so
all those things balled up. And one is what you
see in the newly acquired players the Cowboys have. And
we can we can kind of go through them and
I can give you my thoughts. I watched I had
a chance to watch some of them, not all of them,
and I had to watch all of them extensively, just
kind of peeked in and uh, and yeah, we can
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we can talk about them and see, I guess give
a grade to it or what happened.
Speaker 8 (15:55):
Just some of those grades.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Yeah, let's get in. Do you still have that? Pull
that up and when we come back, we'll talk about that.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
And by the way, Osa, you are now a twenty
million dollar player.
Speaker 6 (16:07):
Despite what Jesse said.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
What's wild is you are he actually left money on
the table from what the markets looking like right now.
I don't know if he and his anything was like,
let's just get a deal. He's actually left. He could
have been more of a Richard.
Speaker 6 (16:20):
He could have been more of a richard, have been
a twenty two million, could have been easily. Maybe that's
not important to him.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Maybe it's not.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Maybe quality of life and where you're at and they been.
Maybe he has the inside track.
Speaker 7 (16:30):
And what you can do with twenty that you can't
do with twenty two. It's a twenty two twenty whatever
was great?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Point that extra two million when you're already making twenty.
Speaker 9 (16:39):
Sence where he's signing Texas is Yeah, I'm just saying
that actually actually brought that up.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Yeah, I heard at his interview he brought that up.
Jacksonville might give you some money.
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Speaker 4 (19:45):
Of trivia boys.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Oh yeah, yea yeah, I got something for you. Let's
do trivia first.
Speaker 9 (19:49):
Someone brought this up to me, uh, a couple of
shows ago.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Did you research it to make sure it was accurate?
Speaker 13 (19:54):
It was accurate?
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Okay, good, Okay?
Speaker 13 (19:57):
Can you name the players left from the Garrett error?
The players left from the Garrett era? So one, coach,
you go, how many years ago was that?
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Five?
Speaker 10 (20:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Five? How many are there? I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Zero Then DAK, c J Goodwin, CJ good Ones, two,
DAK CD, Donovan Wilson.
Speaker 13 (20:23):
Donovan Wilson CD, And that's it.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Ced didn't play for Garrett.
Speaker 9 (20:28):
He was drafted in twenty twenty, which was the COVID year,
and that was McCarthy's first draft.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
That's it. Three guys, three guys left.
Speaker 7 (20:37):
Wow, Dak CJ and Donovan Donovan.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
That's it.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a good trivia question, Chris. Thanks appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
And Dak's now your longest tenure cowboy, right yep, I.
Speaker 8 (20:50):
Mean years ten twenty sixteen.
Speaker 9 (20:53):
So being I'll be interesting to see when training camp
starts because that's when they come in five out what
the youngest team in the NFL is.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah, that will be interesting. Uh, Jordan Lewis, DeMarcus Lawrence
not surprised by either one of those guys leaving or
for what.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
They signed for.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, And I was shocked that Jordan Lewis got that.
I'm happy for Jordan. I was shocked that they got
ten Yeah.
Speaker 8 (21:19):
Yeah, Yeah. They had said they wanted him back. They
were trying to get him, but they just weren't going to.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Go that high.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Would you all pay ten million for him? Considering you
really have one corner right now that you can depend on.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
And he's ten is tough, thirty at his age, and.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
I mean he was your nickel corner.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
If I don't think I signed Jordans.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
If I knew that my team was a serious contender,
I might have signed Jordan Man if I knew that
my team was a serious contender. I might have done
could have been that one piece of I might have
done two for twenty.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Really yeah, see that's said one person I read speculated
that same day they signed Marcus Marquis Bell. Could he
be your slot guy having played some linebacker, he's bigger?
Speaker 4 (22:11):
No, no, no.
Speaker 8 (22:12):
He's not bigger knowledge no.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
No, not not the cover receivers. I mean Jordan, what
Jordan did in the slot you're talking about. You know,
he went up against some premium guys, you know what
I mean, And he battled against some premium gods. I
don't I don't think Marquis Bell is versatile. But he's
more versatile in the sense of, you know, coming down
in the box, you know, tackle running backs, cover some
tight ends. But to have to cover a receiver, you know,
(22:39):
forty yards running across the field, Yeah, he'd be he'd
be a he'd be in a blender, he would be.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
So DeMarcus went to Seattle, right, Yeah, three years forty
two million, not to aiden dirty.
Speaker 12 (22:50):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Jordan Lewis h Jacksonville three years thirty million, a doga
same place, two years seven million. Ricos rised me a
little bit the money that he got Carolina one year,
six point twenty five million.
Speaker 7 (23:05):
That's okay, So the six point twenty five is up
to Incent Events. Yeah, it's more like it's.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
Like like what what they gave Javonte?
Speaker 8 (23:15):
Yeah, that surprised me that they for what they spent
on Javonte, why they didn't bring you?
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
And then Chauncey Ghoston signed with the Giants three years,
nineteen and a half million.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
One thing about DeMarcus Lawrence, boy, he don't he don't
miss when it comes time to going to the bank.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
No, he don't miss. That's his what third big contract?
Speaker 4 (23:33):
He don't miss.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
And he's been hurt a lot.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
He don't him.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Was it?
Speaker 7 (23:37):
David Cant is the cantor so when whenever it is,
in fact, all of David Cat's content clients, right, Lawrence
Lewis No, yeah, Lawrence Lewis.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
Rico was in there, Dad was in there too, right yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (23:55):
But when it comes to whenever David Canton, DeMarcus Lawrence,
they see out of eye when it come to them
checks because he don't miss with it. Coud of to
Marcus lower good Fee, they go to the bank together.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Well, happy for all those guys, as people sad to
see all of them go from a team perspective. Then
re signed guys of course, the punter Anger two years
six point four million, Cavante Turpin three years, thirteen and
a half, your long snapper three years four point four
to five million, Marquise Bell get to see him back
(24:27):
three years nine million.
Speaker 6 (24:28):
CJ.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Goodwin, which has been here for seems like he's fifty
years old.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Wow is one year when he got here.
Speaker 5 (24:34):
One point four million and Osa four years eighty million.
Speaker 8 (24:39):
So I wanted to get Nate's opinion on this because
he was preaching, we need all those guys back, and
we needed Jordan Goldston. Don't do like last year we
lost ormstrong and foulering man. They did exactly.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
So would you just looking at who the newly acquired
guys are the guys they let go? These are what
you said gap fillers, right, would you have left some
gaps open to get some of these guys back and
move this money around?
Speaker 6 (25:06):
Like DeMarcus. I don't I love DeMarcus.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
I don't know physically what he's got left because he's
you know, with his back problem he's had, and then.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
What is it fot foot.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
Not good problems to have as a defensive end, so
that money's a little bit steep. But these other guys
I would have thought you would have for it's a
lot of money for these guys, but looking at who
you signed, does it balance out? Would you try to
keep your own guys like Nate said, or would you
do you think it's good.
Speaker 6 (25:38):
To kind of move on and try some different.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Out of the five that we lost, I think three
I would have I would have liked to keep. I
would have liked to keep Jordan, Rico and Gholson. Those
three I would have liked to keep if you could
have somehow, some way. And I don't even know if
it's really like money, because even when you're sitting right now,
the Cowboys, yes they got they got some more some
(26:00):
more depth. But I don't know if the replacements are
better than what we lost, right you know what I mean? Like,
I don't know if that's like Javonte is to me
and Kurt has the PFF grades for if you if
you if you value that for whatever you value that
(26:21):
for Javonte is not better than Rico.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's not. He's not.
Speaker 7 (26:27):
Maybe he's a better pass catch out of the backfield,
but he's not a better running back than Rico. I
don't know what Gabe Jones is. I mean, they'll have
some competition there. But if that was the case, you know,
whether it's guard or whether it's tackle. You know with Tuma, do.
Speaker 8 (26:44):
You like that these are all like one year deals,
a bunch of most of them, and it's just like
a quick.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
That's what lets me know these are like fillers.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
These are avoid fillers because you don't have any long term plans.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
And and let me also add this to the mix.
Speaker 7 (26:58):
Just because these guys are signed today, that don't mean
they make this football team. Like there's a there's a
none of this money, like it's really really guaranteed money
until you get onto the roster after sept whatever the
September date is that you add to the roster and
that money becomes guaranteed. Whatever you get in your signing bonus,
that's you know whatever that those guys who have some
signing bonuses, but.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
It is not.
Speaker 7 (27:22):
This newly acquired list are a bunch of guys who,
like Chris and I was saying earlier, we gotta feel
a team. You gotta put guys on the team to
feel the team. Doesn't mean that they're going to actually
be here when we break camp and we start our
seating off in September. That that's not a None of
these guys are Exton Stone and so we'll see, well,
(27:46):
we'll see what they have. You know, like I said,
what it what it lends you is I don't have
to go into the draft with dire needs like I
don't if if I go into the draft and I
can't really get the linebacker around want, I'm not too
tore up about it because I got two linebackers already.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
I suppose if you go into the draft and you
don't have you all you got is a Maris on
your football team right now, and and uh, what's the
guy who was in the doghouse last year?
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Damon Clark.
Speaker 7 (28:19):
Now you're going to the draft and you almost kind
of it's a pressing need now you may reach you
may have to kind of really go above and beyond
and get a guy because you don't have any guys.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
These guys they're.
Speaker 8 (28:29):
I don't know, they still be running back And yeah, Cornery.
Speaker 7 (28:34):
No no, no, You're still going to draft those guys for sure.
But again I am I Jerry said it about you know,
I was a little bit over ahead of my skis
when I drafted a first round left tackle and I
just threw them out there and thought it was gonna work.
So you want to kind of have some guys in
the position if if that, if that young fella ain't
quite coming along like you need them to, because it's
(28:55):
a lot of pressure on your organization to going to
the draft and saying, well, I need rounds one, two and.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Three to hit. Yeah, like that's pressure.
Speaker 7 (29:08):
Like I need one, two and three to be instant, impact,
productive human football players today. Now, normally you feel that
way about one right one you're kind of saying, like,
all right, you know, I'm at twelve one, should come
in here and be able to go. You feel that
way two and three you kind of you know, the
(29:29):
percentage goes down a little bit, but you're still kind
of feeling a little.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Bit hopeful forward. But the pressure is on.
Speaker 7 (29:34):
Now that boy we miss on our last two drafts,
so to speak, not so to speak, you missing your
last two drafts. You know early on, I gotta get
these guys in here going right now, because if not,
Kenneth Murder's at the guy that you're gonna want out
there as your starting middle linebacker, rotational guy. Sure, but
(29:56):
if he's your starting backer, if Javonte was just starting
running back, oof, life get difficult.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
Ah, all right, getting depressed. Let's take a break. Let's
take a break. We'll come back. Let's let we come back.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
Chris, you brought it up, Kurt, you had it kind
of in your notes, like this is a very different
looking football team and a lot of your veteran guys
that were you're you know, would get in your face
behind closed doors, you know, not really, I don't know
if they talked about it a lot publicly, but you know,
(30:35):
DeMarcus Lawrence, Jordan Lewis, Zach Martin, those were all guys
that held that locker room accountable. And now within five years,
you've got three guys that have been on the team
five years are longer, right. You got these leaders in
the locker room that are gone. So let's talk about
(30:55):
the locker room dynamic because I've talked to Nick about
this and it always seems to come true, and I
want to get your take on it, because I think
a locker room morphs into what most locker rooms are
the same. You have the same characters no matter who
(31:16):
you get rid of, it's almost like, Okay, we need
a jerk, we need a nice guy, and people morph
into those roles as people leave, because you're always going
to have an Orlando Scandrid, Right, You're always going to
have somebody that's not real nice to the media.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Right, humans, not just media, But you're.
Speaker 6 (31:36):
Like, you're always going to have, you know, the nice guy.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
Like, I want to get your take on that, because
you've been in a lot of different locker rooms. How
you know, you get rid of this guy and then
all of a sudden somebody kind.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
Of takes on that role.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
But this is very different, and you know, maybe it's
a good thing with the new coaching staff coming in
and they can.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Kind of mold it or does it mold itself. Let's
talk about that and maybe some other things when we
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Speaker 5 (34:19):
Talk about the locker room, Jesse, You've been in a
few of them, and they are they all.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
Are?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
They all kind of the same but different? Is there
always you know, your usual cast of characters, like you
have the the kind of quiet leader you know that
sits in there and you know, doesn't say a lot,
and then you got the really outspoken.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Loud guys.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
And then you've got the guys that don't say anything
ever until stuff gets real crazy, and then it's like, all.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
Right, fellas, look this is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
And you know, is it always kind of the same
hierarchy and then when guys leave, you know, like you
got some leaders.
Speaker 6 (34:58):
Here, DeMarcus and George Lewis.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
Jordan Lewis was kind of a he's gonna let you
know if you're not doing your job, not really put
it out in the media, but we'll say we you know,
we missed our assignments, we didn't do whatever. People kind
of morph into. You'll have somebody that will morph into
a Jordan Lewis gout. You'll have somebody that'll morph into
a Zach Martin that's not gonna put his business out there.
Speaker 6 (35:18):
But is that typically everywhere you go.
Speaker 7 (35:22):
Yes, Like and when you were describing it before he
went to the break, it was it was very telling
because you're right, when whatever that person is whoever the
vocal leader. When he goes, someone will morph into being
in that role. Now Here's the thing about the locker
room culture is it's not who has the loudest voice,
(35:48):
but it's about whose voice do they listen to the most.
Because you can be loud and we don't listen to you, right,
Or you can be kind of seft spoken and when
you speak, it speaks.
Speaker 12 (36:00):
Right.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
You've been around people when they speak everyone shuts up
and listens, and you've been around people who talk loud
and you're like, this guy's just blowing hot air.
Speaker 11 (36:08):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (36:09):
And so that's the biggest thing. It's about the guys
in the locker room. What voice are they gravitating to?
And as much as football is a team sport, it's a.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Clickish locker room.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
You know, not only by positions like yeah, you'll have
your receivers over here, but you'll have your clicks. You'll
have your certain amount of people who will hang around
them and and and then those clicks things formulate. Uh
and and depending on again, depending on who I agree
with who I don't agree with, is who I will
follow and how much I will follow them. You think
(36:45):
about Dak being the quote unquote leader.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Of this football team.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Uh.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
And it's funny that you brought up leadership because the
Marcus where excuse me, DeMarcus Lawrence was one of those
guys who were was a leader and enjoyed little one
of the guys.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Who was a leader.
Speaker 7 (37:01):
And almost right after the news came out that the
Marcus Lawrence was going to the Seahawks, presumably the next
leader in the pack tweets out, it's my time, lion face,
(37:24):
and you guys know where I stand on when it
comes to leadership. You ain't got to keep shouting at
you're the leader, the lion and the pride. Don't keep
shouting out that I'm the lion. I'm the leader.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He just is.
Speaker 7 (37:37):
He beats the one that was in charge, and now
everyone follows. And so it's gonna be an interesting thing
to look at because who are the masses listening to?
And leadership it breaks down to just being the best
player more than just being the best player, And leadership
(37:59):
takes so.
Speaker 14 (37:59):
Much like.
Speaker 7 (38:02):
If you're old enough, if you're our age and older,
you understanding. You knew Michael Irvin was hell on wheels
off the field to deal with, but he was the
leader of the Cowboys, right like he Nato tell you that.
Most of Gottill tell you that. And it wasn't because
of what he did off the field. It was because
(38:23):
he was the first guy in last got to leave.
Nobody worked harder than him. He worked out, he was
in the film room, he challenged you. He showed up.
And you can know Mike can be out three, four, five,
six o'clock in the morning. He wasn't missing practice. He
wasn't gonna be late. He wasn't gonna half a it
out there on the football field. He wasn't gonna blow assignments.
(38:44):
He wasn't gonna drop the football. He wasn't gonna take
off periods in practice.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
You knew that.
Speaker 7 (38:50):
And so that was a guy when he spoke, you listen,
that was a guy who you followed despite what he
what he was, you know his in his and this
off the field life. So you just want to make
sure that when you come down to that leadership that
you're being that guy. And I should say that there
(39:11):
is a there's a fine line that is drawing because
what you do outside of football is no concern to
me unless it has to do with affecting what you do.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Inside of football.
Speaker 7 (39:26):
Now, Lina, when you leave out this building, if you
want to go and you got six girlfriends, don't care.
I'm my business. I'm my business. If you want to
go drink, not my business. Not my business. If you
want to go cheat on your wife, ain't my business.
(39:51):
But if that is affecting what you do in the building,
it becomes my business because your job ultimately intertwines with
my job. You see what I'm saying. So that's when
it becomes a problem. And that's why people say, well
Mike did this. It never affected what they did in
(40:11):
the field. It never it never affected, it never impacted
in a negative way what we were as a team.
Speaker 5 (40:17):
And in most I'd say eighty maybe eighty percent of
being a leader or eighty percent.
Speaker 6 (40:24):
Of in a locker room is the work and the
work ethic.
Speaker 4 (40:29):
Because if you work hard, the respect comes from that.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
You got to be good, right, You can't be yes,
you can't be a mediocre player or you know, an
okay player and be a leader.
Speaker 6 (40:41):
I don't think. I think You've got to be really
good at your position.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And then you have to do the unspoken work, the
film work, the like a Sean Lee kind of guy,
right like, really good at his position, didn't talk much,
but was always in the film room and was always
working extra and always doing the extra work. And then
you develop people gravitate towards that because they admire that
(41:05):
and they respect that. So then that's how you build
kind of that following in the locker room. Or do
you or have you ever seen a leader that's a
leader that kind of had a reputation of.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
He didn't really do the work, but helly, he's a
hell of a player. And you know, are there are
there different types or do you have to do.
Speaker 7 (41:20):
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to. I'll tell you off there. Okay,
I'll tell you off there because I don't want to.
But but some of your favorites, some of your favorite cowboys,
at least in the time that I was a part
of the team, and I've been coming to a team,
some of your favorite cowboys who were quote unquote the
leaders of the team.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
You ain't want to follow that junk.
Speaker 5 (41:37):
But were they leaders to the locker Everybody has their
own opinion outside no right facing like, oh.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
He's a leader, he's a leader.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
But when you really, when you really get to know,
like the people in the locker room, like what we're
going to talk.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
About off air.
Speaker 5 (41:50):
I know some of the guys you're gonna say, right,
and they were good, Right, they're good and they were
they were good players like you were, Like, not only
were a good player, they were some of the best
players on the team in the league. But were they
but were they leaders or were they just leaders to
the public?
Speaker 6 (42:06):
Did they leave the locker room or was it kind of.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
Like they had a following.
Speaker 7 (42:09):
Okay, let me say that they had a following, but
they didn't have the whole locker they didn't have the whole.
Speaker 8 (42:13):
Locker room, and that somebody like in the case of Martin,
he was probably a good leader, but was he just
a good leader to the offensive lineman? I mean as
a guy, you know, Donovan Wilson gonna follow Zach Martin
that kind of thing. Is it more uh, you know,
broken up.
Speaker 6 (42:27):
Like that, segmented in position groups?
Speaker 7 (42:29):
It could be, like it definitely could be. But like
we're talking about offensive lineman. I remember a couple of
years ago when the Nighters would talk about, uh, Trent Williams,
they was, no, he's a leader, he's an offensive lineman.
They said when Trent spoke, we all listened. When Trent
said something office defense whoever you you you you, you
(42:51):
turned your attention to what he was saying. So it
could it couldn't You know? Yes, at times it could
be segmented like that, but there are offensive lineman who
would command the attention of the team bye.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
Bye by their work. The work comes first.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
Let me say that you don't get any respect from
anybody on this on this level, if if, if the
productivity is not there, yeah, if they don't, they don't,
if they if you, if you will, bum hush.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
Well we've talked before. I think we've kind of talked
about it's what some of the struggles of this team.
Then the locker room leadership. So you know, I hate
to see these guys leave, and I do think they
were good leaders, but maybe it is time for new blood.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
I mean, it's been a thirty year drought.
Speaker 7 (43:35):
If that, if we're if we're basing it on that,
you know what I'm what I'm saying like there hasn't
been enough leadership to get some over the hump, all right.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
So another question that's related to that, can some of
these guys are leaving like you said there's turnover. There's
young guys that are gonna step in and kind of
fill these roles, and some of them will. I think
there's some guys that say vocally I'm gonna be the
now that he's gone.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
I think there's some.
Speaker 5 (44:01):
Guys that build that following and just organically become a leader.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Can let's just say, let's just say.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Dorn Blam, we pull him out in are right, Like,
he's a young talent, he's good. I don't know anything
about his work ethic or anything like that. But can
if you start getting a following in the locker room,
can that translate into confidence on the field and taking
you to the next level of your game.
Speaker 6 (44:27):
Have you ever seen that happen?
Speaker 7 (44:28):
Yeah, because what happens is when you get a following,
now everyone's watching.
Speaker 4 (44:32):
So now I have to be out of work harder, right,
I have to be here.
Speaker 7 (44:36):
I have to know what I'm talking about because the
following comes in and go, hey, hey, Douran, what we
have on this coverage?
Speaker 4 (44:42):
What's the call? If I don't know, I lose my following.
Speaker 7 (44:46):
Like that's the part about the following is when they
when they need answers, when they need understanding.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
They come to me and I have to be able to.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Provide that for the mentor and all of that.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
Right, So, now when I'm able to go out there
or or it's it's in that it's in that meeting,
and this has happened. I've seen this happen before. It's
in that meeting where whether it's office defense, whether it's
team office defense, or it's a position meeting, and the
coach is saying something and then that guy goes, hold on, coach.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, play it again. Now we
should be in this or that was the call.
Speaker 7 (45:22):
And coach goes, you know what you're right now that
like it's that type of thing. People looking like, oh
he really knows his stuff, you know what I'm saying.
When it's when you're you know, sometime when you're in
that meeting room and and and like I said, coach
is calling things out.
Speaker 4 (45:39):
Coach is calling things out.
Speaker 7 (45:41):
Now you're looking at it and it's saying, oh, wow,
I don't know, I don't know, I don't have the answers.
And now looking at you like, well then I can't
trust you.
Speaker 4 (45:50):
I can't I can't.
Speaker 7 (45:51):
Follow a man who don't know what he's doing. If
he knows what he's doing, I can follow. But if
he if he's if he's questioning what he has to do,
then I'm gonna question him and what I have to do.
So now I gotta find a new leader. And so
when you have those guys that are able to set
that type of tone, the following growth, the following growth,
(46:12):
and once you have a following now you look around
and you go, oh, I am an example. Now, so
now I gotta watch the extra film. I gotta be
in the weight room, I gotta be here on time,
I gotta practice, I gotta do all these things because
I look around and it was just about me. Now
I got seven eight guys saying what you think we're
(46:32):
counting on? You were coming to you for the answers.
And that's when that that that's when you can kind
of morph into that uh, into that leader. But it's
it's it's the expectations.
Speaker 8 (46:43):
It can't be I'm the guy.
Speaker 4 (46:46):
It's gotta be trying to give me trouble.
Speaker 7 (46:54):
Na get me, Kurt, You're not gonna get They're not
gonna get me. You're not gonna get me out. I'm
just saying is just be a leader. You have to
tell everybody that you're the leader.
Speaker 4 (47:02):
Just be it. Everyone will be a leader.
Speaker 6 (47:04):
Kirk, don't tell us you're the leader.
Speaker 4 (47:05):
Everyone will know you.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Just keep doing this.
Speaker 5 (47:07):
This work all right, well, fellas, it was fun this.
Hopefully we'll have some big news, some big free agent
signing in the next week.
Speaker 6 (47:18):
We can talk about next week. If not, who knows
what we'll.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Talk about draft something.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
I'm sure somebody upstairs will say something that we'll be
able to, you know, maybe the MAVs will make another move.
Speaker 7 (47:31):
Something completely random. Did you see what Southwest did about
what I was driving in? Southwest? Is crazy? At least
we didn't trade Lucas stop. You guys lost a lot
of customers with that new policy with a sponsor.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Sorry, if you are there, they're not American.
Speaker 6 (47:52):
Let's go, I will I will fly American Now.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I used to be on the other side because of
the free bag policy.
Speaker 6 (47:59):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Now, I'm thanks American yepporting the Cowboys because here we go.
All right, fellas, good stuff. We will be back next Thursday,
same time, same But.
Speaker 7 (48:09):
What maybe oh I'm joking?
Speaker 4 (48:12):
Okay, what is it?
Speaker 6 (48:15):
When does you drop another spots.
Speaker 4 (48:16):
Yeah, I know, talking about it.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
What is the draft?
Speaker 5 (48:20):
April twenty six eight, So we have a month and
a half before the draft.
Speaker 6 (48:27):
So we'll start getting into draft talk.
Speaker 8 (48:28):
Soon sixty five, start breaking down that film for us.
Speaker 6 (48:31):
I will yeah, I'll get you by. I got big
working on my book for.
Speaker 7 (48:36):
For several months, working to Good Draft magazine, right, yes,
deadline this week?
Speaker 8 (48:40):
Yeah, when's it come out?
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Deadline?
Speaker 8 (48:43):
Yeah, probably by the time he gets online, and did
probably be first part of April, first.
Speaker 4 (48:49):
Part of April.
Speaker 6 (48:49):
Who all's contributing this year?
Speaker 8 (48:52):
All the normal writers, you know, Kyle's doing a lot
of the work. Tommy Mickey Patrick on Bold.
Speaker 6 (49:01):
Good deal you.
Speaker 8 (49:03):
Oh sure, we got to plug yourself.
Speaker 15 (49:06):
You're quiet here, but hey yeah, Leading magazine. No, he
just they know that's right, They know you got to
say it. They know no that need to know.
Speaker 9 (49:17):
No drop the draft is the twenty fourth, twenty fourth
there it is twenty four four, twenty six.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
You go twenty seven, twenty two nine.
Speaker 9 (49:25):
You will be very disappointed.
Speaker 4 (49:26):
Yeah, well twenty six you'll be good.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Yeah, you'll be like the first the first part fourth
Jesus is gonna quick.
Speaker 5 (49:32):
It's in Green Bay this year how many people do
you think are going that you know, I have heard
about lambeau and the mystique in the area of lambeau Field,
and they go to this draft and they get there
and they.
Speaker 6 (49:45):
Go this is a terrible decision. There's nothing to do in.
Speaker 9 (49:50):
Green Bay, Like I want to know where all these
people are going to stay, right Milwaukee shuttling.
Speaker 5 (49:55):
Yes, but it's like I guarantee you there's going to
be a large number of people that are going to
go in.
Speaker 6 (50:00):
Just be like, this is it.
Speaker 4 (50:01):
Cheose it up?
Speaker 9 (50:02):
Amazing stadium, Like we went to Green Bay and stayed
in Appleton.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
Yeah, hey, don't knock Apple.
Speaker 4 (50:08):
That's it. Them airbnbs around the stadium going to.
Speaker 6 (50:10):
Be man lit. You ain't lied. I would take vacation
and be like, take.
Speaker 4 (50:15):
It for take it for a week.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
For a week, I'm going to Mexico.
Speaker 5 (50:20):
All right, We'll be back next week. Hopefully tune in
to see if we make it or not.
Speaker 6 (50:23):
Hanging with the Boys we out.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.
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