May 25, 2022 • 41 mins
Hark! It's an 87th Precinct Podcast bonus episode!
In fact, it's the last ever bonus episode. And everything went fine, yessir, no technical hitches or anything (*nervously runs finger around collar, eyes darting about the room*).
We explore as always the original UK and US covers of the books and those of our own editions and some international versions before getting into the films, television and music from the year of release - in this case, 2005. Paul, Morgan and Stevo have made their picks from the year as well. Sort of.
See you soon for a concluding episode looking back at our scores and reflecting on the series - thanks for sticking with us.
Fare thee well!
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Recording recording. How about a cold this week?
Not I checked, it wasn't covid, but my voice has gone.
I mean, exercising it through speaking of Made It Go a bit
better but earlier on it was very, you know, getting lower
and lower and lower. Hello.
And welcome to another. Welcome to another of these
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increasing podcast, you're late night looking at midnight.
Call you remember that? Don Johnson City through to the
early hours with it, like beIN chat and smooth jazz.
Right? Let's do this Matt.
Yeah, it's an 87th Precinct podcast,
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bonus episode. This is.
The bonus episode to accompany our look at book number 55 of 55
in the 87th Precinct series by Ed mcbaine.
It's Fiddler's and this is our bonus episode for our last
episode of the main series of stuff.
This is it. We're heading towards the end
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like a steam train going full tilt down crime fiction book, I
just didn't have a clue where that was going.
Each team trained realized it probably wasn't a very useful
metaphor and just went silly instead of power in it burning
books. Now, arriving at platform 2, the
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celebration tray in Fahrenheit, 451 celebration train.
Are you what I mean? Yeah, it doesn't really work any
of that. Oh well, if you're going to go
loopy, do it in your very last bit of recording.
Yeah. Anyway, this is, this is the
bonus episode. So that means a look at the book
covers and then some stuff about2005, the year that it was, I
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said 2005 then like an American that was the year that that it
was released in 2005 is the Earth at the Transformers, movie
takes place one of the best films ever made an animated from
1986. So if anyone disagrees you can
come and fight me, please don't fight me.
I'm very weak. The year is and five.
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Right. Okay.
Enough of that nonsense, let us get onto a look at the book
covers of the original editions and now that my silly little
tablet thing is charged up. What I can do is I can pass to
Steve-O this picture so he can describe to me both the u.s.
hardback and the accompanying paperback because they are the
same thing. Remembering of course that this
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is a new publisher in America. This is Harcourt publishing it I
think in conjunction with Auto penslar in America.
So Stephen, would you please lend your Our eyes and brain to
that and describe it for the listening public.
Sinister says Ed mcbaine. Well, Fiddler's and novel of the
87th Precinct and that's in white text, taking up a lot of
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space in the background. There is a gun pointing upwards
which is smoking and then there's shadowy faces figures.
A woman looking man standing. Some new looks like Freddy
Krueger in a bit menacing reallyknow what's going on.
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Then hear that lat but there aresome people and they're funny
colors. I noticed, it's got around the
87th, it's got the red circle which harks back to a lot of the
earlier designs. There's the sort of green circle
around it that, but to you, I don't know what those people are
doing those. Little bit strange waiting to
get shot as a celebrity, just like maybe.
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Yeah, well, it's not much of a cover, is it?
I mean, it's could be any crime book, really gun in the middle?
Yeah, yeah, it's better. Some generic crime book worse
than many territory. Isn't that very much?
It is. And so, by default, you have now
described the paperback edition as well because run exactly the
same. Yeah, I think the only
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difference is it's got a pull quote on the top of the, A
fitting finale to the 87th Precinct epic.
The Street Journal says on the paperback edition which
otherwise is exactly the same. Exactly.
Yeah, okay, well that being the case I will allow Morgan to
describe the UK editions and it doesn't need to be handed any
pictures here because amongst amongst our collection.
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I think we've got all variants of so gon tell us about the
Orion Edition. So small.
Yeah, the array in addition, it's mainly taken up by a
close-up detail of what we Zuma is a violin.
We've got the big F hole there with extra holes, which look
like bullet holes and some bloodstains as well.
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It's very, very dramatic and behind it.
The handle and tree guard of a gun, which I'm assuming is
probably a Glock. I wouldn't know the Glock from
any other gun particularly, but no mean.
It doesn't have quite the sort of wrap around effect that some
of the need. Some of the other Orion's do,
some of them have the At the whole design, can a continues
round but this one doesn't. It does have the presumed Glock
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again on the back. Yeah.
I think it implies on this one that.
So the violin appears to be laidon top of one gun and it is a
continuous picture because on the back there's another gun on
a drain. Hmm.
And it's still one picture but it's like suggesting that
there's more than one gun but hmm, which is odd since the
isn't. No.
But yeah, it's only there's onlyone good at this.
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It doesn't least they're bears. Sort of some relevance to the
the plot and is quite striking, isn't it?
I guess. Yeah it is and so we've got
different editions each so you have got in your possession
there Morgan. It's a paper bag but it's a big
paperback. You like your big paperbacks.
It's just the one that happened to find at the time.
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Yeah it makes you look like a small person.
Like it's a normal sized book. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not warm with a big writing
in his it that's not particularly.
I don't think. Yeah, but that's like the the
large version that sometimes go to libraries, isn't it?
So I guess so yeah. The big paperback Steve-O has
got with big thumbs. I've just got the regular sized
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one. Yeah, Stevens got the normal
size paper back. I have got a hardback Edition
but not the actual first editionhard back in the UK but the BCA
Edition which seemed to be quitecommon, really this Edition
published in 2005, by bc8 by arrangement, with Orion where
everyone Final Huff? Yeah, let's go on.
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Go on, go in for a huff. Steve.
Oh, yours looks like it's had a life.
Yeah, smell very much relatives.How backward?
This is a very thorough, huh? For the first, the last one
final on Well, very disappointing.
For a final one. I was hoping to well describe a
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mustiness or meatiness to it over.
There isn't very mild perfume. Its youthful years.
Betray it, perhaps. Yes.
Maybe it's about the fact that the page is falling.
It does look like it's been through the wringer though.
Doesn't it does? Yeah.
God, Morgan over here boring fora last one that I'm quite sort
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of down there. Yours doesn't like it.
The life as well. That's our girl.
Well deep, yeah, that's a bit. This like just a little kind of
mustiness around the edges. It's not not, not as fragrant as
some of them. But well, I'll check my hardback
Edition. Not much to report.
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I'm afraid to say that's one of the more we could have
pretended, but no and it's obviously they're all newer
books and I can't believe we spent most of this podcast
smelling books. Well because I believe it was
our friend Stella Weaver who first made a point of service
site. I don't think we'd even noticed
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we'd started doing it and then we're going to stop doing it.
I think. Still not always done it every
episode. I can't, I'm not going back.
We forgot to do it a few times but anyway this is the books are
amazing, physical objects. Yes.
And while I have no objection with anyone reading things in
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digital format at all. You can't hover an iPad.
You know you can't you can't you've been mad to that way
Madness lies. Well Madness over there.
Redirection right, a couple of overseas additions.
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So the so normally the Italian, we have those, I mean we've been
saying this for like months, nowthe Italian editions used to be
brilliant in the jello mondadoriarranged and then they started
to get really boring and this has hit new peaks of boring so
I'm not even going to talk to say who Steve-O you describe
this and make him do something funny because it's just crap.
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Just as Ed mcbaine story of the Seventh Precinct transitory,
which I think means traitors which, so slightly different
type. And that's just a picture of an
NYPD cop car. It's rubbish, I couldn't even
find a high-res version of it aswell, or not bothered exactly.
But there is a higher car were pocket mystery book and for the
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last time ever, I'm passing thisto Steve-O to lend his analytic
weight to this or look at all the blood.
Right? There's blood everywhere.
There's the color red. Is it blood?
I'm saying it's blood. So, that it looks like there's
green and yellow and Z87, scratched in the Middle with
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some like, blue stripes and thensomething that resembles
something like a tunnel, like some arches, but then has lots
of Splats everywhere. That doesn't.
It does look like. It looks like blood.
He does. And then there's a yellow.
Anything there that could be a that golden retriever, maybe.
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I don't know, but I don't know what that that's supposed to
represent the like The Archers. It's like a tilty arch, maybe
it's just just looks like it andmaybe it isn't bit in the book
where the killer starts go underneath the eye, she's my
dreams and yeah, no sir, I like that as ever the It's quite
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abstract able to decipher really.
Yeah, the abstracts are the bestand I would say I'd give
anything for a set of those and I'll be cool.
Brilliant. And if you do have any exciting
and weird editions of any of the87th Precinct books, we like to
see them. So, do you know, send them along
to our various social things, Instagram or Twitter, hark, 87
podcast, then because there's always more to discover it turns
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out and, you know, things keep cropping up that even though I
think I've done a really thorough look into it.
Many things as I can find, efficiently on the internet, odd
things keep cropping up all the time.
So if you've got anything weird do, let me know.
So a little bit like different versions, like French and German
there's french, and Joe, and then it's been.
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They've been translated in a lots and lots of languages,
whether they all use new artworkor what.
Because I presume some Publishers have international
distribution in all, they sort of our partner sister companies
and other plate. I don't know, but they might
just well certainly These days, he's probably just of the same.
Yeah, I think I've got a French edition of one of them possibly
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poison which I think I picked upin a charity shop batch without
bothering to look over her just like oh great got it, get home.
Okay bonjour Monsieur Kerala AndI stumbled across like three,
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Italian, it hardback editions ina charity shop in town cool.
Not long ago as well. I did take a photon that I
shared shared it. But yeah, I've not come across
lots that are very different or very interesting.
Except for these, those were coming across the Italian ones
published, as essentially newsagent style, Jello mondadori
thing, right? And then these Japanese ones, as
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we know that the Japanese love McBain stuff, are they?
Remaking it and Publishing them and so it's great any road that
said we can now just get into 2005 and whilst in the main
episode I did say it feels like yesterday.
I think I've said many times about many of the recent years,
it's like if you'd have asked meto name any other albums or
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films from 2005 without me doingthe research, I would have
struggled but let's start. I think with the highest
grossing films of 2005, the top 10, And I will say, I'm just
gonna do a quick calculation. I'm going to say that five of
which I would call kids films, that's quite darted by the, yes,
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it has. And the number one film is Harry
Potter, and the Goblet of Fire. Not bothered Potter was, was
that sort of the Star Wars prequels era?
Yes, it was Morgan and I, which one it would been the last.
Yes, last one it was obvious owed three, which is called
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Called Revenge of the Sith. It is your.
Yes. So that was the second highest
grossing film. I watch Revenge of the Sith.
That's possible, isn't it? It's like, yeah, I made a point
recently of real because I've never seen any of those first
first air quotes. Three Star Wars films all the
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way through in one go. So, because I've been watching
things like the Mandalorian and the Book of Boba Fett, the book
of Bubba fit I made a point of going back and Watching them.
Do you mean answers? One, two, three.
One, two, three. That first ones Dreadful.
This, hey, are atrocious films, absolutely atrocious so much
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worse than I thought. They were didn't get all the way
through the Phantom Menace and they couldn't be bothered to
couldn't face the other ones, but this they do get better.
They do. I'm second one's got a little
moment. Yeah.
It's they're very poor and pretty rare.
Racist as well. You know, the first one
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particularly, you know, in termsof how it sets out as idiots and
who it sets out as enemies. It's very very bad writing.
Yeah. And the an even watching it on
Disney plus when it there in this higher quality as I will
ever see them, you know, on a posh Telly with nice sound and
all that sort of stuff. It's they look Dreadful because
we're all shot on digital stages, and it's just, I'm
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sorry, I'm not a Star Wars nerd by any means.
And those, First three Goodness Me.
Anyway, let's move on from that.And yet Revenge of the Sith was
number two in our highest grossing films.
Then number three was from another fantasy series, not
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written by Tolkien, but by someone who knew very well, The
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobeyellows, it monocles of Narnia
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
I forgot about those films completely are.
All right. Actually there, About the ones
they made. They should have gone through
and done all of them right through to Silverchair the last
battle, all those things. Yeah.
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And the great thing about havingthe made as big entertaining
fantasy, epics for the screen isthat they sort of squash all the
Christian zipper a little bit, which I didn't pick up ours when
I was, and how I was totally unaware of all that when I was
looking, absolutely talking lion, isn't it?
Yeah. Anyway, a number For War of the
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Worlds, the Tom Cruise version, which isn't bad, it's not bad at
all seen it. Honestly for an adaptation of
that of that story, I know. They keep trying to make all the
BBC recently I say recently probably probably before this
whole thing kicked off, did their adaptation of it which was
atrocious, hate it when I go down a list and have to say
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everything's rubbish. But the BBC adaptation of War of
the Worlds of one of the worst things I've ever seen and
actually the Tom Cruise Whose version of 2005 is really good.
Hmm, it's just in here with it. He plays the world's number
five. Remake of King Kong unnecessary.
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Yeah, not only did that. That was Peter Jackson going off
finished Lord of the Rings. I don't know what to do.
Now, my hens, now I'm going to make income.
That was a terrible. New Zealand accent because it
wasn't a New Zealand accent. Sorry, number six is Madagascar,
the cartoon The cartoon film that sounded like an old person.
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Number seven, mr. And mrs.
Smith was that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt.
Assembly number eight. Charlie.
And the Chocolate Factory. Yeah, awful.
I'm doing it again. It was awful.
Why do you need to remake that? The 70s one's great.
Yeah. Yeah, Batman Begins.
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Oh yeah. That was number nine.
And at number 10, It was hitch not a film about Hitchcock and
now a film about Will Smith doing some things as it's a
belief. So I've never seen it and know
nothing about had. That's my summary of the plot
Will Smith doing some things. Yeah, I've seen any of them
films but from you've seen Revenge of the Sith pass on that
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one. Yeah.
Have all of the ones to have seen and I know, I mean, it's
not much of a list. I mean, genuinely for me, out of
all of them, War of the Worlds is probably the best.
I think I've only seen Batman Begins, but yeah, Batman Begins,
and The gasca out that I've definitely seen Revenge of the
Sith Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe War of the Worlds.
I've seen King Kong, I've seen Charlie and the Chocolate
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Factory created it. And I'm sorry, I'm begin.
So a bit of challenge or a loverof 2000.
Yeah, Cinema an Aficionado, he will.
But I'll give you some other films from that year that didn't
make the chart. Anyway, under certainly not top
10 Racing Stripes marvelous. The Pinnacle of the talking
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zebra genre. Yep.
And Electra there was quite a lot of like now, we're so used
to their being these superhero movies and various products and
spin-offs and TV series. This 2005 is that period where
they haven't quite got it to endit with films like a lecture,
which was a spinoff of Daredevil.
Yeah. And things like that.
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You have the remake of Assault on Precinct 13, Going to the
cinema to see that I've never seen.
The original, sorry, it's good. I was like, yeah, I think
either, it's really good. And I've never seen it either.
That's it Sin City, which I've never seen all the way through.
Yeah, it's a cinema to see that.Well, I couldn't pick a horse,
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you know, I came to this withouta film to recommend because
we're just going down the list and thinking I've seen any
reason. But yeah, that was the one that
was killed. The guy.
What's his name? Not the game.
Did the cartoon? Anyway continue, thank you.
A remake of a remake of the armor of the Amityville Horror.
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No, but I've seen that there wasthe film of Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy. Oh yeah.
Which is such a strange thing. Had been in development for so
long. Did have Douglas Adams
fingerprints on it but you know it could have been much worse.
I saw that in the cinema definitely but just didn't quite
get there and most deaf who I don't think is bad in things.
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Mumbled his way through it to the point where you couldn't
tell what he was saying. It's all the jokes fell flat.
Mmm. Anyways, an odd one, I love
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
It's such a shame. It couldn't quite get it right.
Yeah would have been both. We could have been greater than
that but actually the film of the league of gentlemen's
apocalypse. Which I definitely saw in the
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cinema. So the league of gentlemen
movie, which is a, if people don't know the league of
gentlemen, was a sketch style dark, not a sitcom comedy series
is a brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
British TV. Serie comedy TV series that have
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films made is a strange scenariothat you could do a whole
podcast on on the on TV series and their film adaptation.
And I think apocalypse does suffer a little bit from that.
Weirdly meta. Isn't it?
Is is very much yeah to meta butthat's all right because if you
didn't like that you would have gone.
Unseen Herbie Fully Loaded. Oh it's that the Lindsay Law and
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Herbie reboot it is yet. Not Herbie witchfinder General.
Like I do, it's still my pinned tweet on Twitter, the poster I
made for it. Best things have a fault of
mine. My entire life should get some
t-shirts made sir. I sell them David Tomlinson as
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Oliver, Cromwell right? Before we go down that route,
that road in that league and gentlemen, film them, you
mentioned in now and I watched all their stuff saw them live
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and yet I'm struggling to, remember, whether I even knew
they made, it doesn't linger. King saw it when it was first on
TV, but I can't remember much about apart from feeling, like
it can give vanished into its own.
Kind of self-referencing, really?
It's the only thing I can remember about it is, there's a
point where someone says, Says that is an homunculus and being
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very pleased with the and use ofthe use of mainly set around the
church and the the lady vicar now is one of the specials
wasn't. It's like that was a Christmas.
That's what I'm doing. Yeah I don't think I've seen it
them. Anyway this will nobody will
have seen it's over some the Terry Gilliam film The Brothers.
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Grimm comes out seen that once. Not good.
Thank one of the Fantastic Four attempts.
That they did presumably they'llbe another one along before too
long Wallace and Gromit curse ofthe were-rabbit.
Very, very good V for Vendetta not too bad.
It's not. I know it was good as the
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graphic novel obviously. And uh, last time I walked saw
that, it wasn't as bad as I remember him being the previous
time. I'd seen.
I think the weight of comic book, nerds, perhaps of drug,
some of those sorts of things down.
Thanks, same with Watchman as well, which isn't a bad.
Perfect. It really isn't actually.
No. It's, it gets it gets a bit of
bad did as well as it was never mind.
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I did watch that recently in thefull director's cut, tales of
the black freighter inserted version which took the entire
day to watch. I've never seen and the last one
I'll mention is Brick anyway, which I'll call ya, which is
sort of weird. High School based almost like
detective Mark. Yeah, it's like a Chandler.
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Chandler. Novel set in high school, isn't
it basically? It's, it's really good.
I forgot about that. I thought that I would have
picked that if I'd remember. So, I've picked something else.
Okay, right. Well, that's some of 2005 in
movies, anyway, and we will giveyou our movie picks in a little
bit TV. I've got a few You think I'm
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saving music for last this time.You see I'm going to do TV now.
So this is all debuts on TV as it's always been for the past
few episodes, we do Under the debuts u.k. television debuts
top got speak that I got suddenly really excited Doctor.
Who hang on, you're saying that debuted in 1963 will know.
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It came back to screens in 2005 of Christopher Eccleston as the
doctor who stayed for one series.
And it'll be coming back again soon.
Not this gone away since then, but yeah, that was very big and
significant for me as a doctor who found We also have the debut
of the thick of it the Armando iannucci helmed political thing,
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lots of swearing, lots and lots of swearing and the made a star
out of the character of Malcolm Tucker, which it shouldn't have
done. Really should have been the
absolute worst enemy that you should ever have.
I probably confused politics more than it made us understand
it in the best. Sort of way.
Oh yeah. Deal or No Deal.
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Never seen one full episode. It was massive.
Wasn't it relaunched? Edmonds career!
It's another relaunch phenol Edmonds!
Somehow. So a quiz, just but like people
with boxes, which had amounts ofmoney in, its me randomly pick.
It wasn't there wasn't even a quiz was, it was just just
picking a botched people in a room.
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But this strung out for an entire?
Well, they were like, they were long episodes, but they were
just like playing on the quiz machine in the pub.
Used to screw you over. Suddenly they're not designed
for altruism who are now public was machines.
But yeah, it was a very strange thing.
Yeah. To become popular that was I
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presume. That was one of the ones that
sold all over the world as well.One of those strange formats
that can just be sold anywhere. What else have?
I got my little list here. Ha ha ha, the BBC TV series
Coast started presented by a manwho has turned into an absolute
lunatic now, but I'm not going to say any more about that.
It's the prog rock school. Do you remember this Morgan not
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school with Gene Simmons. Oh my God that was absolutely
terrific. Yeah it like both series of it
will really. Yeah it was I thought was
riveting TV that absolutely great.
It was British wasn't it but it just happened to have Gene
Simmons. Yes yeah absolutely.
It was like a school in East Anglia isn't he too?
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Didn't they one of them. He went to a sort of relatively
Posh school and then one of them.
Went to like a much more workingclass place and yeah, it was, it
was. Yeah, it was fascinating, he get
guest stars out in. What was one where they've got
Tony Iommi in, oh I remember seeing that one which was which
is great because they're they'reall basically totally
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unimpressed with Gene Simmons and thought it was just some
Dreadful old fart and then Tonioand we came in and they all
thought it was brilliant. Don't always remember.
It was like, edited such that like you were led to believe
that? They were absolutely terrible.
Yeah. And then like Like the concert
they were doing at the end. They were absolutely amazing
little for life in the end. Yeah, I always felt like that in
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mr. Trick, by not having a third
Series where instead of just having genes in one school they
should have had, and I felt likethey should have maybe in gold
medals Emily. And another one that was
supposed thinking, like Bruce Dickinson would have been a good
whole good host. So they could have had Gene
Simmons in one kind of school and and Bruce Dickinson.
Another and then they have a kind of battle of the bands at
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the end if Anyone with anyone wants to take this, this idea on
and do a new and modern equivalent of it than please do
Bruce Dickinson. Wasn't in Maiden at the time.
Was he? So he could have been either had
some time to kill. Exactly.
Yeah. And the only other one I want to
measure on u.k. television debuts was celebrity wrestling
presented by Kate Thornton. It was a TV presenter in the UK
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and Rowdy Roddy Piper. How did I miss this?
I hope it's available somewhere because I need to watch it
immediately. I mean, I looked at the list of
celebrities, And it is no, it's nobody.
Uh-huh, no one, you know, on there, a couple of like people
associated with the royal familysomewhere along the line.
Those sorts of people, okay? And couple of sports people, it
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was just But yeah, Rowdy Roddy Piper and Kate Thornton to
together at last tremendous. So, anyway, that was the UK.
We had a great time in the UK onTina.
Yeah. Us television debut, use of
which, a lot of these are reallyfamous, but I don't think I've
I've seen any of these. I've never seen a single episode
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of How I Met Your Mother. Yeah, it's not really good.
I've never in my that's been rebooted off sequels.
Now has no fever, yeah, gather. So yeah, I've never seen one.
Single full episode of My Name is Earl.
That started in 2005, I think, but I never properly watched it.
I don't think it's very easy to get over here and then it was,
but it was years, later bones. Starring, David Bryan has who
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played Angel? Oh yeah, run for two hundred and
forty seven episodes playing a forensic archaeologist or
something called buns. Yeah.
Well, I don't think he was good but it wasn't as good as we
found something. Well, us laugh.
All it was Michael bones, I hopeso, I really hope so I'll be
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brilliant, prison break. That was quite big never seen a
single entity. Yeah, that was very, very
popular. I was named, and It's Always
Sunny in Philadelphia which I know.
Lots and lots of people love, but I've tried to watch and
couldn't get on with it. Yeah, I think I try to watch the
first episode just thought of mebut I believe some of the people
who made and we're in that otherpeople who made Mystic Quest,
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which was on Apple TV. Which is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah, I think it's supposed to be excellent, but all the
characters like really hateful. Yes, it's that that I think,
maybe it's tough to stick with it to get into it, which I never
have done. So yeah, because I mean it's a
bit funny because you think of things like Parks and Recreation
(30:52):
and a lot of the characters are very self-serving and weird but
you always have Amy Poehler's character whose heart, you know.
So What Was I Thinkin? Sunny in Philadelphia.
Fear. So it's always sunny, I don't
know what the kids call it. It's everyone's all Rubble.
We have Beauty And The Geek. Oh yeah, yeah about that.
(31:14):
She's definitely shown over here.
Yeah, that was that was a top TVprogram.
They could have called it boobs and glasses, Grey's, Anatomy,
start to 2005. We mom loves that.
I'm eating it. We also have Hogan knows best
novel. The Hulk Hogan reality-based You
(31:35):
see ya? I for Paul Hogan for Paul Hogan
knows best 80 year old leathery,man, well, every Australian
getting the mr. Trick.
They could have turned that intoa competition which Hogan knows
best two competing schools to all.
Ho, ho, ho both as leather is each other.
(32:00):
Yes, there's probably a leatherymen.
Both probably 90 years old. Although, as far as I know, Paul
Hogan hasn't been in the sex tape that leaked on the internet
and if he has please do not tellme.
And the last one I'd like to mention is a program called rock
star not rock school with Gene Simmons.
(32:22):
Rock star organs pointing is this the one where the two
series one and it was it that there's there was one to find
the new lead singer for in excess, that's it.
The second one was to find the lead singer for Supernova,
finding a lead singer for supergroup.
Rock Star supernova, featuring Motley Crue drummer Tommy, Lee
(32:44):
former Metallica, and then current void bassist Jason
Newsted and former Guns N Roses guitarist gilby, Clarke,
absolutely, with the get occasional game structure, Dave,
Navarro's tremendous, essential viewing?
This is in the so Lord, 2005, Supernova still, In
surprisingly. No.
(33:07):
Okay. Um, well, I've got one more
thing to mention, which is a Canadian TV show debut for a
show called what were they thinking, which is all about
outside roadside attractions, which I'd love to see it.
Sounds again. It was about what outsized
roadside attractions. So you know, in North America
and Canada. You have like things if you're
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driving down a big long road of which they have lots, you might
come across a gas station that Some reason has a giant ball of
yarn outside of it or a massive Donuts or all right.
All those we had fiberglass sculptures of strange, you know,
50 km to the world's largest hedge hog.
I don't know. Hmm.
(33:50):
So I'd like to see that. Yeah sounds good, some large
things in Canada, its Niche thatanyway that's TV and we don't
choose TV things, but I would choose Doctor Who even though
it's a very much a great relationship, Chip with it.
At the moment, I'm choosing someone Morgan's ideas, there
may be between rock star and Rock School, which Hogan.
(34:10):
Oh yeah, which Hogan those Bastian, it could be called
Coogan crossover, everything. Then, let's go to music, right?
I've got the top tens for the week of 13th of September, 2005
for the UK and America. And I'm not going to make a
guess because, you know, we always have a horrible time
doing. So I'll go from ten to one in
(34:33):
the Okay, and all I want to knowfrom you Morgan and you Steve-O
is, do you remember it? Firstly, that's the name of the
game. You might have figured it out.
Now they get the answer is no, well, all in baby.
I think you will. Okay, this one Lantern.
So at number 10, it's These boots are made for walking by
Jessica Simpson. Oh yes, and the Dukes of Hazzard
(34:53):
movie. Yes, that's what it's from this
world of think it had Willie Nelson guested on it.
For some reason, not one of his best moments.
He was probably just stoned and I imagined myself, Number nine,
Lay Your Hands by Simon webbe. He's the the guy from Blue isn't
me. But I don't remember what the
song went like at all. Your webcam.
(35:15):
Yeah, crawl out to middle of theliquid that you easily move
through Duty or webbing. 8 is the one I love by David Gray.
It's awesome. Arming adverts that he is Loose
(35:36):
making some sort of David Gray has escaped and fine here and I
think he's yeah. Oh no I I can't remember what
that song goes like. Well I can guess but all right.
Yeah yeah yeah. Number seven the importance of
being idle by Oasis. Yeah I was like it was a bit of
a lazy Sunday afternoon by not enough lazing on a Sunday, on
(36:01):
Sunday afternoon, rather by The Kinks.
Knockoff wasn't, it was almost exactly the same as that but
that's what, and it's number oneposition at some point.
Yeah, I don't like him either. No, I'll do.
I number six. Pon de Replay by Rihanna.
Oh yeah, it's yeah. That was like Runners
breakthrough. Wasn't it?
Like when she still sort of premature dancehall reggae Kinda
(36:22):
Yeah. Singer number five, Bad Day by
Daniel Powter? Oh yeah.
Well, I'm doing him songs aroundthere.
Done that hater. Like a bad smell number four.
Fix You bike. Coldplay.
Number three. Doctor pressure by Milo versus
the Miami Sound Machine. Oh yes.
(36:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. I don't maybe you need not
missing much number two, Dare bygorillas.
Oh yeah. That's all right.
Yeah. The Shaun Ryder one is in, ya
think. So that will really I think.
Yeah. Yeah because it's called there
because I think the lyric is it's there but Out with it
(37:03):
because it Shaun Ryder. It comes out as there.
And number one, it's don't Chairby Pussycat Dolls, featuring
Busta Rhymes, a classic. But yeah, I think we've sort of
know most of them. Mmm, the question is, do we know
the American top 10 of the same?We definitely not.
It's going to be. If there's not five featured in
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this list, Yale be hip-hop. Collaborations that I've never
heard of, I'm guessing. Oh boy, let's see.
Let's start a number 10, again, you and me by.
Lifehouse life the life house family.
Yeah, that's it. Number 9, Let Me Hold You by
Bow. Wow, featuring a mauryan a
little bow. Anyways I guess he's not that
(37:47):
little. By that point, I only registered
Bow. Wow, I can't confirm its eyes.
Only remember, is his debut single when he was little.
But oh, well, like the Snoop Dogg, says Junior associate
number 8 Sugar. We're Going Down by Fall Out
Boy. Pound out in an earlier Brown
Sugar. We're Going Down Swinging and a
(38:07):
lot nonsense. All right.
Okay. Yes.
Number one, with a bullet near. Yeah, nonsense number seven.
Pon de Replay by Rihanna she features.
I thought I had to look again then because I thought my
computer screen is glitched, butnumber six is like you Bow.
Wow. Featuring Kiara excellent to and
(38:28):
they both saw him. Yeah.
Number five. Don't You by the Pussycat?
Al's featuring Busta Rhymes. Number four, We Belong Together
by Mariah Carey number three, lose control, by Missy Elliott
featuring Ciara, and Fatman Scoop.
(38:51):
I can't remember that one lose control.
Yes, I vaguely do this pretty good.
I think. And like, fairly my normally.
All right, yeah, fairly mind-boggling video thing too.
Number to Shake It Off by MariahCarey and number-one.
Gold Digger by Kanye West featuring Jerry?
(39:12):
Oh yeah. 55 featurings. I do remember that one?
Yes. But yeah, it's funny.
There's a couple of crossovers there but it's not as bad as
what we had last time. The time before we didn't know
any of them. Really?
Yeah, not so. But yes, we've got to choose our
or albums. Ah, well, this is a bit
(39:42):
embarrassing after nearly six years and 132 episodes.
We've suffered our first ever real technical breakdown.
Well, I say technical breakdown essentially, what happened was I
forgot to check that. There was enough space to record
the episodes on my little Zoom recorder, which I normally do as
(40:04):
a matter, of course, at the start of an episode but I don't
know what it was. I don't know if it's because
I've had a cold or I was excited, but for some reason I
didn't and we paid the price. Essentially we lost, you know,
we have been going for another 10 minutes and we ran out of
time and I didn't notice that wehad and then it was too late to
do anything by the time. I figured it out.
(40:26):
Sorry. So essentially we end on a
cliffhanger. Yes we will reveal our picks for
2005 when we come back to do ourEnd of episode about the series
in general our process, our scores, all that sort of stuff.
So you'll be able to answer the question.
What did Steve-O think about thefilm's in 2005?
(40:48):
What did he choose? What did Morgan pick out of
everything that came out that year?
What sort of normal boring rubbish did Paul choose as he
normally does all this and more will be answered when we return.
So all I can say, is sorry again, and thank you again, for
being on this journey with us and being part of Of hark the
(41:09):
87th Precinct podcast as a project, it's been a fantastic
thing to do, knowing that there are people out there enjoying it
and appreciating it, which makesus enjoy and appreciate it even
more. So, thank you very, very much.
And until we return, all I can say is Fare Thee.
Well,
Recording recording. How about a cold this week?
Not I checked, it wasn't covid, but my voice has gone.
I mean, exercising it through speaking of Made It Go a bit
better but earlier on it was very, you know, getting lower
and lower and lower. Hello.
And welcome to another. Welcome to another of these
(00:22):
increasing podcast, you're late night looking at midnight.
Call you remember that? Don Johnson City through to the
early hours with it, like beIN chat and smooth jazz.
Right? Let's do this Matt.
Yeah, it's an 87th Precinct podcast,
(00:59):
bonus episode. This is.
The bonus episode to accompany our look at book number 55 of 55
in the 87th Precinct series by Ed mcbaine.
It's Fiddler's and this is our bonus episode for our last
episode of the main series of stuff.
This is it. We're heading towards the end
(01:20):
like a steam train going full tilt down crime fiction book, I
just didn't have a clue where that was going.
Each team trained realized it probably wasn't a very useful
metaphor and just went silly instead of power in it burning
books. Now, arriving at platform 2, the
(01:45):
celebration tray in Fahrenheit, 451 celebration train.
Are you what I mean? Yeah, it doesn't really work any
of that. Oh well, if you're going to go
loopy, do it in your very last bit of recording.
Yeah. Anyway, this is, this is the
bonus episode. So that means a look at the book
covers and then some stuff about2005, the year that it was, I
(02:10):
said 2005 then like an American that was the year that that it
was released in 2005 is the Earth at the Transformers, movie
takes place one of the best films ever made an animated from
1986. So if anyone disagrees you can
come and fight me, please don't fight me.
I'm very weak. The year is and five.
(02:35):
Right. Okay.
Enough of that nonsense, let us get onto a look at the book
covers of the original editions and now that my silly little
tablet thing is charged up. What I can do is I can pass to
Steve-O this picture so he can describe to me both the u.s.
hardback and the accompanying paperback because they are the
same thing. Remembering of course that this
(02:55):
is a new publisher in America. This is Harcourt publishing it I
think in conjunction with Auto penslar in America.
So Stephen, would you please lend your Our eyes and brain to
that and describe it for the listening public.
Sinister says Ed mcbaine. Well, Fiddler's and novel of the
87th Precinct and that's in white text, taking up a lot of
(03:19):
space in the background. There is a gun pointing upwards
which is smoking and then there's shadowy faces figures.
A woman looking man standing. Some new looks like Freddy
Krueger in a bit menacing reallyknow what's going on.
(03:42):
Then hear that lat but there aresome people and they're funny
colors. I noticed, it's got around the
87th, it's got the red circle which harks back to a lot of the
earlier designs. There's the sort of green circle
around it that, but to you, I don't know what those people are
doing those. Little bit strange waiting to
get shot as a celebrity, just like maybe.
(04:03):
Yeah, well, it's not much of a cover, is it?
I mean, it's could be any crime book, really gun in the middle?
Yeah, yeah, it's better. Some generic crime book worse
than many territory. Isn't that very much?
It is. And so, by default, you have now
described the paperback edition as well because run exactly the
same. Yeah, I think the only
(04:24):
difference is it's got a pull quote on the top of the, A
fitting finale to the 87th Precinct epic.
The Street Journal says on the paperback edition which
otherwise is exactly the same. Exactly.
Yeah, okay, well that being the case I will allow Morgan to
describe the UK editions and it doesn't need to be handed any
pictures here because amongst amongst our collection.
(04:48):
I think we've got all variants of so gon tell us about the
Orion Edition. So small.
Yeah, the array in addition, it's mainly taken up by a
close-up detail of what we Zuma is a violin.
We've got the big F hole there with extra holes, which look
like bullet holes and some bloodstains as well.
(05:12):
It's very, very dramatic and behind it.
The handle and tree guard of a gun, which I'm assuming is
probably a Glock. I wouldn't know the Glock from
any other gun particularly, but no mean.
It doesn't have quite the sort of wrap around effect that some
of the need. Some of the other Orion's do,
some of them have the At the whole design, can a continues
round but this one doesn't. It does have the presumed Glock
(05:36):
again on the back. Yeah.
I think it implies on this one that.
So the violin appears to be laidon top of one gun and it is a
continuous picture because on the back there's another gun on
a drain. Hmm.
And it's still one picture but it's like suggesting that
there's more than one gun but hmm, which is odd since the
isn't. No.
But yeah, it's only there's onlyone good at this.
(05:58):
It doesn't least they're bears. Sort of some relevance to the
the plot and is quite striking, isn't it?
I guess. Yeah it is and so we've got
different editions each so you have got in your possession
there Morgan. It's a paper bag but it's a big
paperback. You like your big paperbacks.
It's just the one that happened to find at the time.
(06:18):
Yeah it makes you look like a small person.
Like it's a normal sized book. Yeah.
Yeah. It's not warm with a big writing
in his it that's not particularly.
I don't think. Yeah, but that's like the the
large version that sometimes go to libraries, isn't it?
So I guess so yeah. The big paperback Steve-O has
got with big thumbs. I've just got the regular sized
(06:41):
one. Yeah, Stevens got the normal
size paper back. I have got a hardback Edition
but not the actual first editionhard back in the UK but the BCA
Edition which seemed to be quitecommon, really this Edition
published in 2005, by bc8 by arrangement, with Orion where
everyone Final Huff? Yeah, let's go on.
(07:01):
Go on, go in for a huff. Steve.
Oh, yours looks like it's had a life.
Yeah, smell very much relatives.How backward?
This is a very thorough, huh? For the first, the last one
final on Well, very disappointing.
For a final one. I was hoping to well describe a
(07:22):
mustiness or meatiness to it over.
There isn't very mild perfume. Its youthful years.
Betray it, perhaps. Yes.
Maybe it's about the fact that the page is falling.
It does look like it's been through the wringer though.
Doesn't it does? Yeah.
God, Morgan over here boring fora last one that I'm quite sort
(07:44):
of down there. Yours doesn't like it.
The life as well. That's our girl.
Well deep, yeah, that's a bit. This like just a little kind of
mustiness around the edges. It's not not, not as fragrant as
some of them. But well, I'll check my hardback
Edition. Not much to report.
(08:05):
I'm afraid to say that's one of the more we could have
pretended, but no and it's obviously they're all newer
books and I can't believe we spent most of this podcast
smelling books. Well because I believe it was
our friend Stella Weaver who first made a point of service
site. I don't think we'd even noticed
(08:26):
we'd started doing it and then we're going to stop doing it.
I think. Still not always done it every
episode. I can't, I'm not going back.
We forgot to do it a few times but anyway this is the books are
amazing, physical objects. Yes.
And while I have no objection with anyone reading things in
(08:48):
digital format at all. You can't hover an iPad.
You know you can't you can't you've been mad to that way
Madness lies. Well Madness over there.
Redirection right, a couple of overseas additions.
(09:09):
So the so normally the Italian, we have those, I mean we've been
saying this for like months, nowthe Italian editions used to be
brilliant in the jello mondadoriarranged and then they started
to get really boring and this has hit new peaks of boring so
I'm not even going to talk to say who Steve-O you describe
this and make him do something funny because it's just crap.
(09:31):
Just as Ed mcbaine story of the Seventh Precinct transitory,
which I think means traitors which, so slightly different
type. And that's just a picture of an
NYPD cop car. It's rubbish, I couldn't even
find a high-res version of it aswell, or not bothered exactly.
But there is a higher car were pocket mystery book and for the
(09:55):
last time ever, I'm passing thisto Steve-O to lend his analytic
weight to this or look at all the blood.
Right? There's blood everywhere.
There's the color red. Is it blood?
I'm saying it's blood. So, that it looks like there's
green and yellow and Z87, scratched in the Middle with
(10:17):
some like, blue stripes and thensomething that resembles
something like a tunnel, like some arches, but then has lots
of Splats everywhere. That doesn't.
It does look like. It looks like blood.
He does. And then there's a yellow.
Anything there that could be a that golden retriever, maybe.
(10:39):
I don't know, but I don't know what that that's supposed to
represent the like The Archers. It's like a tilty arch, maybe
it's just just looks like it andmaybe it isn't bit in the book
where the killer starts go underneath the eye, she's my
dreams and yeah, no sir, I like that as ever the It's quite
(11:04):
abstract able to decipher really.
Yeah, the abstracts are the bestand I would say I'd give
anything for a set of those and I'll be cool.
Brilliant. And if you do have any exciting
and weird editions of any of the87th Precinct books, we like to
see them. So, do you know, send them along
to our various social things, Instagram or Twitter, hark, 87
podcast, then because there's always more to discover it turns
(11:28):
out and, you know, things keep cropping up that even though I
think I've done a really thorough look into it.
Many things as I can find, efficiently on the internet, odd
things keep cropping up all the time.
So if you've got anything weird do, let me know.
So a little bit like different versions, like French and German
there's french, and Joe, and then it's been.
(11:49):
They've been translated in a lots and lots of languages,
whether they all use new artworkor what.
Because I presume some Publishers have international
distribution in all, they sort of our partner sister companies
and other plate. I don't know, but they might
just well certainly These days, he's probably just of the same.
Yeah, I think I've got a French edition of one of them possibly
(12:09):
poison which I think I picked upin a charity shop batch without
bothering to look over her just like oh great got it, get home.
Okay bonjour Monsieur Kerala AndI stumbled across like three,
(12:36):
Italian, it hardback editions ina charity shop in town cool.
Not long ago as well. I did take a photon that I
shared shared it. But yeah, I've not come across
lots that are very different or very interesting.
Except for these, those were coming across the Italian ones
published, as essentially newsagent style, Jello mondadori
thing, right? And then these Japanese ones, as
(12:59):
we know that the Japanese love McBain stuff, are they?
Remaking it and Publishing them and so it's great any road that
said we can now just get into 2005 and whilst in the main
episode I did say it feels like yesterday.
I think I've said many times about many of the recent years,
it's like if you'd have asked meto name any other albums or
(13:21):
films from 2005 without me doingthe research, I would have
struggled but let's start. I think with the highest
grossing films of 2005, the top 10, And I will say, I'm just
gonna do a quick calculation. I'm going to say that five of
which I would call kids films, that's quite darted by the, yes,
(13:43):
it has. And the number one film is Harry
Potter, and the Goblet of Fire. Not bothered Potter was, was
that sort of the Star Wars prequels era?
Yes, it was Morgan and I, which one it would been the last.
Yes, last one it was obvious owed three, which is called
(14:03):
Called Revenge of the Sith. It is your.
Yes. So that was the second highest
grossing film. I watch Revenge of the Sith.
That's possible, isn't it? It's like, yeah, I made a point
recently of real because I've never seen any of those first
first air quotes. Three Star Wars films all the
(14:24):
way through in one go. So, because I've been watching
things like the Mandalorian and the Book of Boba Fett, the book
of Bubba fit I made a point of going back and Watching them.
Do you mean answers? One, two, three.
One, two, three. That first ones Dreadful.
This, hey, are atrocious films, absolutely atrocious so much
(14:45):
worse than I thought. They were didn't get all the way
through the Phantom Menace and they couldn't be bothered to
couldn't face the other ones, but this they do get better.
They do. I'm second one's got a little
moment. Yeah.
It's they're very poor and pretty rare.
Racist as well. You know, the first one
(15:06):
particularly, you know, in termsof how it sets out as idiots and
who it sets out as enemies. It's very very bad writing.
Yeah. And the an even watching it on
Disney plus when it there in this higher quality as I will
ever see them, you know, on a posh Telly with nice sound and
all that sort of stuff. It's they look Dreadful because
we're all shot on digital stages, and it's just, I'm
(15:28):
sorry, I'm not a Star Wars nerd by any means.
And those, First three Goodness Me.
Anyway, let's move on from that.And yet Revenge of the Sith was
number two in our highest grossing films.
Then number three was from another fantasy series, not
(15:50):
written by Tolkien, but by someone who knew very well, The
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobeyellows, it monocles of Narnia
Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe.
I forgot about those films completely are.
All right. Actually there, About the ones
they made. They should have gone through
and done all of them right through to Silverchair the last
battle, all those things. Yeah.
(16:11):
And the great thing about havingthe made as big entertaining
fantasy, epics for the screen isthat they sort of squash all the
Christian zipper a little bit, which I didn't pick up ours when
I was, and how I was totally unaware of all that when I was
looking, absolutely talking lion, isn't it?
Yeah. Anyway, a number For War of the
(16:34):
Worlds, the Tom Cruise version, which isn't bad, it's not bad at
all seen it. Honestly for an adaptation of
that of that story, I know. They keep trying to make all the
BBC recently I say recently probably probably before this
whole thing kicked off, did their adaptation of it which was
atrocious, hate it when I go down a list and have to say
(16:56):
everything's rubbish. But the BBC adaptation of War of
the Worlds of one of the worst things I've ever seen and
actually the Tom Cruise Whose version of 2005 is really good.
Hmm, it's just in here with it. He plays the world's number
five. Remake of King Kong unnecessary.
(17:16):
Yeah, not only did that. That was Peter Jackson going off
finished Lord of the Rings. I don't know what to do.
Now, my hens, now I'm going to make income.
That was a terrible. New Zealand accent because it
wasn't a New Zealand accent. Sorry, number six is Madagascar,
the cartoon The cartoon film that sounded like an old person.
(17:38):
Number seven, mr. And mrs.
Smith was that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt.
Assembly number eight. Charlie.
And the Chocolate Factory. Yeah, awful.
I'm doing it again. It was awful.
Why do you need to remake that? The 70s one's great.
Yeah. Yeah, Batman Begins.
(18:00):
Oh yeah. That was number nine.
And at number 10, It was hitch not a film about Hitchcock and
now a film about Will Smith doing some things as it's a
belief. So I've never seen it and know
nothing about had. That's my summary of the plot
Will Smith doing some things. Yeah, I've seen any of them
films but from you've seen Revenge of the Sith pass on that
(18:21):
one. Yeah.
Have all of the ones to have seen and I know, I mean, it's
not much of a list. I mean, genuinely for me, out of
all of them, War of the Worlds is probably the best.
I think I've only seen Batman Begins, but yeah, Batman Begins,
and The gasca out that I've definitely seen Revenge of the
Sith Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe War of the Worlds.
I've seen King Kong, I've seen Charlie and the Chocolate
(18:43):
Factory created it. And I'm sorry, I'm begin.
So a bit of challenge or a loverof 2000.
Yeah, Cinema an Aficionado, he will.
But I'll give you some other films from that year that didn't
make the chart. Anyway, under certainly not top
10 Racing Stripes marvelous. The Pinnacle of the talking
(19:05):
zebra genre. Yep.
And Electra there was quite a lot of like now, we're so used
to their being these superhero movies and various products and
spin-offs and TV series. This 2005 is that period where
they haven't quite got it to endit with films like a lecture,
which was a spinoff of Daredevil.
Yeah. And things like that.
(19:26):
You have the remake of Assault on Precinct 13, Going to the
cinema to see that I've never seen.
The original, sorry, it's good. I was like, yeah, I think
either, it's really good. And I've never seen it either.
That's it Sin City, which I've never seen all the way through.
Yeah, it's a cinema to see that.Well, I couldn't pick a horse,
(19:47):
you know, I came to this withouta film to recommend because
we're just going down the list and thinking I've seen any
reason. But yeah, that was the one that
was killed. The guy.
What's his name? Not the game.
Did the cartoon? Anyway continue, thank you.
A remake of a remake of the armor of the Amityville Horror.
(20:12):
No, but I've seen that there wasthe film of Hitchhiker's Guide
to the Galaxy. Oh yeah.
Which is such a strange thing. Had been in development for so
long. Did have Douglas Adams
fingerprints on it but you know it could have been much worse.
I saw that in the cinema definitely but just didn't quite
get there and most deaf who I don't think is bad in things.
(20:36):
Mumbled his way through it to the point where you couldn't
tell what he was saying. It's all the jokes fell flat.
Mmm. Anyways, an odd one, I love
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
It's such a shame. It couldn't quite get it right.
Yeah would have been both. We could have been greater than
that but actually the film of the league of gentlemen's
apocalypse. Which I definitely saw in the
(20:59):
cinema. So the league of gentlemen
movie, which is a, if people don't know the league of
gentlemen, was a sketch style dark, not a sitcom comedy series
is a brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
British TV. Serie comedy TV series that have
(21:20):
films made is a strange scenariothat you could do a whole
podcast on on the on TV series and their film adaptation.
And I think apocalypse does suffer a little bit from that.
Weirdly meta. Isn't it?
Is is very much yeah to meta butthat's all right because if you
didn't like that you would have gone.
Unseen Herbie Fully Loaded. Oh it's that the Lindsay Law and
(21:42):
Herbie reboot it is yet. Not Herbie witchfinder General.
Like I do, it's still my pinned tweet on Twitter, the poster I
made for it. Best things have a fault of
mine. My entire life should get some
t-shirts made sir. I sell them David Tomlinson as
(22:06):
Oliver, Cromwell right? Before we go down that route,
that road in that league and gentlemen, film them, you
mentioned in now and I watched all their stuff saw them live
(22:27):
and yet I'm struggling to, remember, whether I even knew
they made, it doesn't linger. King saw it when it was first on
TV, but I can't remember much about apart from feeling, like
it can give vanished into its own.
Kind of self-referencing, really?
It's the only thing I can remember about it is, there's a
point where someone says, Says that is an homunculus and being
(22:50):
very pleased with the and use ofthe use of mainly set around the
church and the the lady vicar now is one of the specials
wasn't. It's like that was a Christmas.
That's what I'm doing. Yeah I don't think I've seen it
them. Anyway this will nobody will
have seen it's over some the Terry Gilliam film The Brothers.
(23:10):
Grimm comes out seen that once. Not good.
Thank one of the Fantastic Four attempts.
That they did presumably they'llbe another one along before too
long Wallace and Gromit curse ofthe were-rabbit.
Very, very good V for Vendetta not too bad.
It's not. I know it was good as the
(23:31):
graphic novel obviously. And uh, last time I walked saw
that, it wasn't as bad as I remember him being the previous
time. I'd seen.
I think the weight of comic book, nerds, perhaps of drug,
some of those sorts of things down.
Thanks, same with Watchman as well, which isn't a bad.
Perfect. It really isn't actually.
No. It's, it gets it gets a bit of
bad did as well as it was never mind.
(23:56):
I did watch that recently in thefull director's cut, tales of
the black freighter inserted version which took the entire
day to watch. I've never seen and the last one
I'll mention is Brick anyway, which I'll call ya, which is
sort of weird. High School based almost like
detective Mark. Yeah, it's like a Chandler.
(24:18):
Chandler. Novel set in high school, isn't
it basically? It's, it's really good.
I forgot about that. I thought that I would have
picked that if I'd remember. So, I've picked something else.
Okay, right. Well, that's some of 2005 in
movies, anyway, and we will giveyou our movie picks in a little
bit TV. I've got a few You think I'm
(24:41):
saving music for last this time.You see I'm going to do TV now.
So this is all debuts on TV as it's always been for the past
few episodes, we do Under the debuts u.k. television debuts
top got speak that I got suddenly really excited Doctor.
Who hang on, you're saying that debuted in 1963 will know.
(25:04):
It came back to screens in 2005 of Christopher Eccleston as the
doctor who stayed for one series.
And it'll be coming back again soon.
Not this gone away since then, but yeah, that was very big and
significant for me as a doctor who found We also have the debut
of the thick of it the Armando iannucci helmed political thing,
(25:29):
lots of swearing, lots and lots of swearing and the made a star
out of the character of Malcolm Tucker, which it shouldn't have
done. Really should have been the
absolute worst enemy that you should ever have.
I probably confused politics more than it made us understand
it in the best. Sort of way.
Oh yeah. Deal or No Deal.
(25:50):
Never seen one full episode. It was massive.
Wasn't it relaunched? Edmonds career!
It's another relaunch phenol Edmonds!
Somehow. So a quiz, just but like people
with boxes, which had amounts ofmoney in, its me randomly pick.
It wasn't there wasn't even a quiz was, it was just just
picking a botched people in a room.
(26:11):
But this strung out for an entire?
Well, they were like, they were long episodes, but they were
just like playing on the quiz machine in the pub.
Used to screw you over. Suddenly they're not designed
for altruism who are now public was machines.
But yeah, it was a very strange thing.
Yeah. To become popular that was I
(26:32):
presume. That was one of the ones that
sold all over the world as well.One of those strange formats
that can just be sold anywhere. What else have?
I got my little list here. Ha ha ha, the BBC TV series
Coast started presented by a manwho has turned into an absolute
lunatic now, but I'm not going to say any more about that.
It's the prog rock school. Do you remember this Morgan not
(26:54):
school with Gene Simmons. Oh my God that was absolutely
terrific. Yeah it like both series of it
will really. Yeah it was I thought was
riveting TV that absolutely great.
It was British wasn't it but it just happened to have Gene
Simmons. Yes yeah absolutely.
It was like a school in East Anglia isn't he too?
(27:15):
Didn't they one of them. He went to a sort of relatively
Posh school and then one of them.
Went to like a much more workingclass place and yeah, it was, it
was. Yeah, it was fascinating, he get
guest stars out in. What was one where they've got
Tony Iommi in, oh I remember seeing that one which was which
is great because they're they'reall basically totally
(27:36):
unimpressed with Gene Simmons and thought it was just some
Dreadful old fart and then Tonioand we came in and they all
thought it was brilliant. Don't always remember.
It was like, edited such that like you were led to believe
that? They were absolutely terrible.
Yeah. And then like Like the concert
they were doing at the end. They were absolutely amazing
little for life in the end. Yeah, I always felt like that in
(27:58):
mr. Trick, by not having a third
Series where instead of just having genes in one school they
should have had, and I felt likethey should have maybe in gold
medals Emily. And another one that was
supposed thinking, like Bruce Dickinson would have been a good
whole good host. So they could have had Gene
Simmons in one kind of school and and Bruce Dickinson.
Another and then they have a kind of battle of the bands at
(28:18):
the end if Anyone with anyone wants to take this, this idea on
and do a new and modern equivalent of it than please do
Bruce Dickinson. Wasn't in Maiden at the time.
Was he? So he could have been either had
some time to kill. Exactly.
Yeah. And the only other one I want to
measure on u.k. television debuts was celebrity wrestling
presented by Kate Thornton. It was a TV presenter in the UK
(28:40):
and Rowdy Roddy Piper. How did I miss this?
I hope it's available somewhere because I need to watch it
immediately. I mean, I looked at the list of
celebrities, And it is no, it's nobody.
Uh-huh, no one, you know, on there, a couple of like people
associated with the royal familysomewhere along the line.
Those sorts of people, okay? And couple of sports people, it
(29:03):
was just But yeah, Rowdy Roddy Piper and Kate Thornton to
together at last tremendous. So, anyway, that was the UK.
We had a great time in the UK onTina.
Yeah. Us television debut, use of
which, a lot of these are reallyfamous, but I don't think I've
I've seen any of these. I've never seen a single episode
(29:23):
of How I Met Your Mother. Yeah, it's not really good.
I've never in my that's been rebooted off sequels.
Now has no fever, yeah, gather. So yeah, I've never seen one.
Single full episode of My Name is Earl.
That started in 2005, I think, but I never properly watched it.
I don't think it's very easy to get over here and then it was,
but it was years, later bones. Starring, David Bryan has who
(29:48):
played Angel? Oh yeah, run for two hundred and
forty seven episodes playing a forensic archaeologist or
something called buns. Yeah.
Well, I don't think he was good but it wasn't as good as we
found something. Well, us laugh.
All it was Michael bones, I hopeso, I really hope so I'll be
(30:11):
brilliant, prison break. That was quite big never seen a
single entity. Yeah, that was very, very
popular. I was named, and It's Always
Sunny in Philadelphia which I know.
Lots and lots of people love, but I've tried to watch and
couldn't get on with it. Yeah, I think I try to watch the
first episode just thought of mebut I believe some of the people
who made and we're in that otherpeople who made Mystic Quest,
(30:32):
which was on Apple TV. Which is absolutely brilliant.
Yeah, I think it's supposed to be excellent, but all the
characters like really hateful. Yes, it's that that I think,
maybe it's tough to stick with it to get into it, which I never
have done. So yeah, because I mean it's a
bit funny because you think of things like Parks and Recreation
(30:52):
and a lot of the characters are very self-serving and weird but
you always have Amy Poehler's character whose heart, you know.
So What Was I Thinkin? Sunny in Philadelphia.
Fear. So it's always sunny, I don't
know what the kids call it. It's everyone's all Rubble.
We have Beauty And The Geek. Oh yeah, yeah about that.
(31:14):
She's definitely shown over here.
Yeah, that was that was a top TVprogram.
They could have called it boobs and glasses, Grey's, Anatomy,
start to 2005. We mom loves that.
I'm eating it. We also have Hogan knows best
novel. The Hulk Hogan reality-based You
(31:35):
see ya? I for Paul Hogan for Paul Hogan
knows best 80 year old leathery,man, well, every Australian
getting the mr. Trick.
They could have turned that intoa competition which Hogan knows
best two competing schools to all.
Ho, ho, ho both as leather is each other.
(32:00):
Yes, there's probably a leatherymen.
Both probably 90 years old. Although, as far as I know, Paul
Hogan hasn't been in the sex tape that leaked on the internet
and if he has please do not tellme.
And the last one I'd like to mention is a program called rock
star not rock school with Gene Simmons.
(32:22):
Rock star organs pointing is this the one where the two
series one and it was it that there's there was one to find
the new lead singer for in excess, that's it.
The second one was to find the lead singer for Supernova,
finding a lead singer for supergroup.
Rock Star supernova, featuring Motley Crue drummer Tommy, Lee
(32:44):
former Metallica, and then current void bassist Jason
Newsted and former Guns N Roses guitarist gilby, Clarke,
absolutely, with the get occasional game structure, Dave,
Navarro's tremendous, essential viewing?
This is in the so Lord, 2005, Supernova still, In
surprisingly. No.
(33:07):
Okay. Um, well, I've got one more
thing to mention, which is a Canadian TV show debut for a
show called what were they thinking, which is all about
outside roadside attractions, which I'd love to see it.
Sounds again. It was about what outsized
roadside attractions. So you know, in North America
and Canada. You have like things if you're
(33:29):
driving down a big long road of which they have lots, you might
come across a gas station that Some reason has a giant ball of
yarn outside of it or a massive Donuts or all right.
All those we had fiberglass sculptures of strange, you know,
50 km to the world's largest hedge hog.
I don't know. Hmm.
(33:50):
So I'd like to see that. Yeah sounds good, some large
things in Canada, its Niche thatanyway that's TV and we don't
choose TV things, but I would choose Doctor Who even though
it's a very much a great relationship, Chip with it.
At the moment, I'm choosing someone Morgan's ideas, there
may be between rock star and Rock School, which Hogan.
(34:10):
Oh yeah, which Hogan those Bastian, it could be called
Coogan crossover, everything. Then, let's go to music, right?
I've got the top tens for the week of 13th of September, 2005
for the UK and America. And I'm not going to make a
guess because, you know, we always have a horrible time
doing. So I'll go from ten to one in
(34:33):
the Okay, and all I want to knowfrom you Morgan and you Steve-O
is, do you remember it? Firstly, that's the name of the
game. You might have figured it out.
Now they get the answer is no, well, all in baby.
I think you will. Okay, this one Lantern.
So at number 10, it's These boots are made for walking by
Jessica Simpson. Oh yes, and the Dukes of Hazzard
(34:53):
movie. Yes, that's what it's from this
world of think it had Willie Nelson guested on it.
For some reason, not one of his best moments.
He was probably just stoned and I imagined myself, Number nine,
Lay Your Hands by Simon webbe. He's the the guy from Blue isn't
me. But I don't remember what the
song went like at all. Your webcam.
(35:15):
Yeah, crawl out to middle of theliquid that you easily move
through Duty or webbing. 8 is the one I love by David Gray.
It's awesome. Arming adverts that he is Loose
(35:36):
making some sort of David Gray has escaped and fine here and I
think he's yeah. Oh no I I can't remember what
that song goes like. Well I can guess but all right.
Yeah yeah yeah. Number seven the importance of
being idle by Oasis. Yeah I was like it was a bit of
a lazy Sunday afternoon by not enough lazing on a Sunday, on
(36:01):
Sunday afternoon, rather by The Kinks.
Knockoff wasn't, it was almost exactly the same as that but
that's what, and it's number oneposition at some point.
Yeah, I don't like him either. No, I'll do.
I number six. Pon de Replay by Rihanna.
Oh yeah, it's yeah. That was like Runners
breakthrough. Wasn't it?
Like when she still sort of premature dancehall reggae Kinda
(36:22):
Yeah. Singer number five, Bad Day by
Daniel Powter? Oh yeah.
Well, I'm doing him songs aroundthere.
Done that hater. Like a bad smell number four.
Fix You bike. Coldplay.
Number three. Doctor pressure by Milo versus
the Miami Sound Machine. Oh yes.
(36:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that. I don't maybe you need not
missing much number two, Dare bygorillas.
Oh yeah. That's all right.
Yeah. The Shaun Ryder one is in, ya
think. So that will really I think.
Yeah. Yeah because it's called there
because I think the lyric is it's there but Out with it
(37:03):
because it Shaun Ryder. It comes out as there.
And number one, it's don't Chairby Pussycat Dolls, featuring
Busta Rhymes, a classic. But yeah, I think we've sort of
know most of them. Mmm, the question is, do we know
the American top 10 of the same?We definitely not.
It's going to be. If there's not five featured in
(37:25):
this list, Yale be hip-hop. Collaborations that I've never
heard of, I'm guessing. Oh boy, let's see.
Let's start a number 10, again, you and me by.
Lifehouse life the life house family.
Yeah, that's it. Number 9, Let Me Hold You by
Bow. Wow, featuring a mauryan a
little bow. Anyways I guess he's not that
(37:47):
little. By that point, I only registered
Bow. Wow, I can't confirm its eyes.
Only remember, is his debut single when he was little.
But oh, well, like the Snoop Dogg, says Junior associate
number 8 Sugar. We're Going Down by Fall Out
Boy. Pound out in an earlier Brown
Sugar. We're Going Down Swinging and a
(38:07):
lot nonsense. All right.
Okay. Yes.
Number one, with a bullet near. Yeah, nonsense number seven.
Pon de Replay by Rihanna she features.
I thought I had to look again then because I thought my
computer screen is glitched, butnumber six is like you Bow.
Wow. Featuring Kiara excellent to and
(38:28):
they both saw him. Yeah.
Number five. Don't You by the Pussycat?
Al's featuring Busta Rhymes. Number four, We Belong Together
by Mariah Carey number three, lose control, by Missy Elliott
featuring Ciara, and Fatman Scoop.
(38:51):
I can't remember that one lose control.
Yes, I vaguely do this pretty good.
I think. And like, fairly my normally.
All right, yeah, fairly mind-boggling video thing too.
Number to Shake It Off by MariahCarey and number-one.
Gold Digger by Kanye West featuring Jerry?
(39:12):
Oh yeah. 55 featurings. I do remember that one?
Yes. But yeah, it's funny.
There's a couple of crossovers there but it's not as bad as
what we had last time. The time before we didn't know
any of them. Really?
Yeah, not so. But yes, we've got to choose our
or albums. Ah, well, this is a bit
(39:42):
embarrassing after nearly six years and 132 episodes.
We've suffered our first ever real technical breakdown.
Well, I say technical breakdown essentially, what happened was I
forgot to check that. There was enough space to record
the episodes on my little Zoom recorder, which I normally do as
(40:04):
a matter, of course, at the start of an episode but I don't
know what it was. I don't know if it's because
I've had a cold or I was excited, but for some reason I
didn't and we paid the price. Essentially we lost, you know,
we have been going for another 10 minutes and we ran out of
time and I didn't notice that wehad and then it was too late to
do anything by the time. I figured it out.
(40:26):
Sorry. So essentially we end on a
cliffhanger. Yes we will reveal our picks for
2005 when we come back to do ourEnd of episode about the series
in general our process, our scores, all that sort of stuff.
So you'll be able to answer the question.
What did Steve-O think about thefilm's in 2005?
(40:48):
What did he choose? What did Morgan pick out of
everything that came out that year?
What sort of normal boring rubbish did Paul choose as he
normally does all this and more will be answered when we return.
So all I can say, is sorry again, and thank you again, for
being on this journey with us and being part of Of hark the
(41:09):
87th Precinct podcast as a project, it's been a fantastic
thing to do, knowing that there are people out there enjoying it
and appreciating it, which makesus enjoy and appreciate it even
more. So, thank you very, very much.
And until we return, all I can say is Fare Thee.
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