A New Paradigm in Coaching: Clinical Kinesiology & Qi with Dr. Christopher Motley

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Today's guest is Dr.
Chris Motley, a practitioner who blends ancient healing wisdom with modern science in a way that's not only fascinating but deeply human.
Dr.
Motley's approach is heart-centered, holistic, and deeply attuned to the body's own intelligence, and we spent a lot of time talking about that.
He weaves together Eastern medicine, chiropractic, functional lab testing, and emotional energetics into a healing philosophy that respects both tradition and innovation.

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This conversation isn't just about protocols or test results.
It's about listening to the body, trusting the process, empowering our health consumer clients, and healing from the inside out.
So whether you're a science-minded coach or someone who leans into energy and intuition, you'll find something to love in this episode.

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Let's dive in.
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All right, Dr.
Motley, I've been looking so forward to this because you have such a unique way of weaving ancestral health healing traditions with cutting edge science, and I cannot wait to explore that intersection with you today.

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So to kick
things off,
Can you give us a glimpse into your background and how you combine traditional Chinese medicine, kinesiology, and frequency medicine into one powerful practice?
Oh, thank you for the intro.
I really appreciate that.
When I first got into Chinese medicine, I did it because it worked on me.
And I remember that I had a really bad rear end accident.

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Right before I went to chiropractic university, and my neck would not be stable.
Fast forward, I kept getting different adjustments, muscle work.
And it worked a bit, but I kept having my neck slip back out of place.
And one of the things I noticed was one of my friends, Steve, who is another practitioner, he's a clinician, he says, Hey, he kept checking my neck, and he, Man, I need you to come over and let me check you out.

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And he did, and he said that it was my gallbladder.
And I didn't really understand at the time what he meant by gallbladder, because I wasn't diving deep into Chinese medicine.
And the gallbladder meridian, basically, in Chinese medicine, runs down your neck.
So he worked on that, and my neck didn't go out of place after that.

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So when I saw that just small minute eff
I started to really dive into all the acupuncture points in the body.
And I started learning a system that integrated the acupuncture system, the meridians, the qi.
and biofeedback devices that allow me to monitor the actual Qi fl in the body. And

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so I really got intrigued with it because
each tissue of the body, organs, all have a specific frequency.
And when I started to learn that portion of it and realized that there are ways to monitor the frequency that comes off a tissue or off of an organ,
I really dove deep into those techniques, and my whole practice was based on frequency medicine and application.

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So then when I started to really, really understand about color therapy and sound therapy,
all those frequency-based modalities really started to hit home with me.
I can go through many stories, but I basically came to Tennessee in Nashville.
And my dad asked me, he goes, How do you think they're going to take this kind of work where you're at?

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And I came to Franklin, Tennessee, which is a little suburb of Nashville.
And sure enough, I just started off with one person and then it grew and grew and grew.
Not to pat myself on the back, what I am saying is people were seeking a modality because other ways
At times, it didn't function well.
That's my deep dive into it.

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Amazing.
I love an origin story.
What I like about that is kind of like.
A sense of knowing that this is needed in the world of healthcare.
Now, when you open up your practice in Tennessee, and that first person came in.

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And you're thinking, how's this going to go?
I'm just curious, like that person, that was your sort of your person, the first person that really bought into this.
What was their frustration?
What was their
Their frustration or their
condition or problem.
Yeah.
What brought them to you?
The first patient I remember was a colleague of mine.

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who I did an internship at his clinic.
It was his cousin, and she had come in with severe kidney infections.
And so at the
time, the first issue, I have two that I remember.
She came in with a kidney issue with severe fatigue.
And the same day, another patient of mine, who's still a friend of mine, she came in and she had severe, severe

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Issues with their ankles, and that was a gallbladder issue.
But with my friend, the first patient who had the kidney issues, one of the things you go into practice and you kind of
You don't get scared.
You can't get scared, but you are nervous the first few days that you come into this practice.
And you're taught in chiropractic university to do the adjustments, look at all the

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spinal
relays.
But this was in a sense a little different.
I have a person coming in for a kidney problem.
Now, the thing was, her signs and symptoms correlated.
She definitely had bags underneath her eyes, or dark circles underneath her eyes.
which is a sign of kidney and bladder issues.
She told me her hair was going white down the center.
That's another one.

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And she had severe calf pain.
Now that calves and the gast and heel pain are associated with the bladder and the kidney. Now at the
time, Erin, I didn't know all that. I knew
a few of them. I knew
about the eyes. And when she
told me about the calves and heels,
I remember I was like, heavens, how am I going to fix somebody's, you know, kidney issue?

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And my mentor
said, just follow the system.
And so I just started taking all the trigger points, all the acupuncture points, all the herbs I could, and I threw it at the kidney.
Thankfully, being at a young age, I started to see that there was such a huge correlation of organ issues.
With physical
problems.
And that set up my practice in the sense that people said, okay, Dr.

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Motley likes to look at organs and how it relates to their physical structure, and then it got into the emotions.
So I'm not saying I had all the answers, but what I would say is many people came to me because if they had a physical problem,
other
docs would send them over and say, well, if there's some kind of hidden metabolic issue, go to Motley.
And those
are my first recollections.

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Yeah.
I
never really had
the the joy, Aaron, of like just doing structural.
I love structure.
I love bones and ligaments, but
it
it started off.
It was full on go with organs.
Oh my goodness.
It's so fascinating.
And can I just share an anecdote that's kind of pertinent to
that?
Yeah.
So when you're talking about this patient that has chronic kidney infections, well, I do too.

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I have that as
well.
And when you said that there's a connection between gast, heel, Achilles' calf, I
It was interesting because I have had chronic Achilles tendonitis.
But the thing is, too, I'd love to know your thoughts on this.
This is just completely non-sequitur
The antibiotic they put you on put me on for kidney infections is Cip.

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Which is correlated to Achilles' tendon ruptures.
Is there something there?
Is that what?
Like, am I crazy or is
that?
All related somehow.
It's all related.
But Aaron, I don want any of the audience to think that I'm being cocky.
I'm not saying that at all.
What I am saying is that.
With the gastro. If
you had Cip and they're going after cleaning up, they'll use Cip for like a UTI or kidney infection.

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The imbalance within the bladder area and the kidneys disrupt the chi that goes from the middle of your foot.
Up the inside of the leg, through the knee, up the insides of the hip, even up through the chest to feed your heart.
That's your kidney.
The bladder, I hope I'm not boring everybody out there, but it's
Just follow along, I promise.
The bladder merid basically goes down your spine, down your back on both sides, through your glutes, through your hamstrings, through your calves, all the way to your heels.

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So when you take Cip and it disrupts the biome within your bladder or kidney, the Chi gets
Messed up, if that's the word.
I hate to use that term.
But you will start to see people with plant fasciitis,
heel
pain.
You get it, don't you?
You get calf cramps, and you go, Well, you know what?
I've always got to stretch my calves.

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I don't
know why, but
I always have to stretch my calves.

Another one (09:10):
the archer of my foot can get cramped.
Pretty
bad.
That is
huge kidney.
The bigger signs and signals, and I'm getting all excited about this, Aaron, but really, like when you say I have kidney issues, is you'll bonk.
at the like literally two to three o'clock.
Guarantee you, you get super tired at that time of day.
And whenever you have any type of hormonal changes, you feel like you retain a little bit of water, a little bit of fluid, and you get a little bit more emotional than usual.

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Well, yes.
And so, but all that would come to say is that when you tell me I have heel pain and calf pain.
First thing I think is kidney bladder.
And that's all the in the all the questions that go through my head.
When you tell me, literally, when you say I have this, you know, calf pain, you know, I have problems with urination, I pee a lot at night, my brain is already going to that hole.

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Structural component with the organ.
Okay.
Well, this brings me back to my original stammering question that I asked about this person that came to you.
Because I'm thinking to myself, a person comes in like, now I'm the person.
Okay, I've got two issues.
I've got recurrent kidney infections.
And I have chronic plant chillias tendinitis. And as me as the health

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consumer, I'm like, those are not related at all. Like, how would somebody what point
does somebody get to where they're like, Dr. Motley, please
tell me how these are related? Because
I honestly think the average health consumer wouldn't.
I don't think, I know for a fact the average health consumer
who
's not savvy to traditional Chinese medicine and these meridians would have no idea to even think.

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And
My hunch is that most medical practitioners wouldn't think, oh, you know what?
Those are related.
You should go see a traditional Chinese
medicine doctor.
So,
how does somebody come?
To you, are they completely at their wit's end and they're, I'll do anything?
Or how?
Normally, that's a great question, Aaron.
Normally, they are at their wits' end.
Most of the time, they will tell me that, Doc, this is the final straw.

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I've literally tried to pick up as many straws as I can.
So I've had that statement happen quite a bit of times.
But usually when people do come on, you're like, you're right, they are kind of like not grasping for something or reaching.
They literally are to the point where
Maybe it's like in the culture where people are literally saying to themselves, there has to be something more.

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Like it can't just be like my shoulder just keeps hurting, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Something in the end, there has to be something underneath it.
And I think the culture is getting really is getting smarter not I hate to use the word smart but getting more aware that I have to dig deeper because everything we're taking is just masking symptoms.
So, most individuals don't come to me usually with the thought, going, Hey, I wonder if the organ's causing this.

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But what they will say is, literally, after they've done their shoulder or they've done a therapy and they have gone to everybody.
Somebody usually in the grapevine will, Hey, you need to go check Motley out.
He always finds these different things, this Chinese medicine stuff.
But thankfully, like, maybe I've helped their friend or helped them do well.
That's the people that usually come, though.

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Yeah.
That makes sense.
It would have to be somebody who's experienced it because I just wonder.
Just the average health consumer coming into it on their own.
Although I agree with you, I completely agree with your sentiment that the health consumer is becoming more
Autonomous, more they're advocating for
themselves more.
They
're thinking a little more critically and maybe even laterally, just they're thinking bigger.

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They're actually trying to seek out this
It's interesting that you brought up as your origin a pain in the neck because that's one of the part of my origin too is I had this debilitating neck.
Pain, and it was like, I will pay anybody anything if they can get rid of this pain.
I don't care what it is, I don care if it's magical fairy dust that gets rid of it.
I don't care.
It ended up being a crazy for me, a cranial sacral treatment that handled it.

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But I would never have thought to go
there.
So I
just, I think this is so interesting.
And the type of work you do, it's just something I'm so unfamiliar with.
And I wonder how to.
How do you share your wisdom with the people so that they can start to pick up what you're doing?
Oh, I think it's been a lot of years.
I think that anybody that's listening right now, they would talk about how could

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you know, Chinese medicine or the electricity, or we call it chi or pr or life force. How
can I convey that to people where they don't get
glazed
over?
And they just go, I have no idea what you're talking about.
It's been a big journey, but I will say that most individuals, when they first come in and introduce themselves to Chinese medicine, all they've really heard about is really acupuncture.

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But when I make connectivities, it's not because I discovered them, but the connectivity that the electricity or the chi in your body creates, this is where it
gets really cool,
is that I tell people that
You're not just connecting certain dots.
What you are is melding.
You're melding your mind, you're melding your physicality, your biochemistry, you're melding your organs.

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And so what we're trying to say is it's one unit.
Now that sounds kind of cliche, but when I'm conveying to individuals, when you show to them, for instance, when I said you had a calf issue, now the other aspects would be, and hopefully everybody would follow along if I get real, you know, get too wordy.
But let's say this.
The nerve that helps feed your heart and the pericardium, it's a nerve, it also swings back by here and goes up to your upper back.

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Near the meeting of your neck, and it feeds these little shoulder blade muscles called subscaps.
What that means when I talk to them, if a person has a heart issue, and you can tell it by the redness of their nose.
You can tell it by the lines on their ears, by the lines on their hand, the color of their hands.

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You could say you would have a heart issue.
Then you would say, Well, do your shoulders hurt?
Yes, Doc, they always hurt all the time.
In fact, they say I have torn rotator cuffs.
Okay, so there's the connectivity of your structure.
To your organ, and then you say, Well, your heart's a little tired.
Do you feel like you've lost vision or direction in life?

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No joy.
And they'll say, Yeah.
Now, all that to say is when I talk to a patient and you don't even have to say anything at all, Aaron, you can just literally say, you can look at their face, look at their hands, and, Do you have this and this emotion and this?
And then they like.
How did you read that?
You know, and I'm like, it's Chinese Medicine 101.
You learn the lines, you learn the meridians, you learn the emotions aspects of it.

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And that's why I'm thankful people that come in.
They literally, it's not just for like, I want my heart chi to get better.
It's never like that.
They literally will
come in sometimes there and they're like.
Oh, hey, I'm about to go into a meeting and I have no drive.
I don't even love this job.
And they'll tell me all these things.
Like, can you do something to bump up the cheat of my heart or my body to help me with that emotion?

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Those are the types of requests I get now.
Anyway,
I digress.
Yeah, but.
No, no, no
See, now you've just opened a whole another can of worms because
So the menopause narrative is very big in the health and well space right
now.
And
that's the phase of life that I'm in. Not
to give you too much information, but that's where I am. So one

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of the weird symptoms of menopause is frozen shoulder, shoulder pain all of a sudden, right?
Another symptom, and I got this from my functional medicine doctor I'm seeing for my menopause therapy.
One of the mood symptoms is anhedonia, and I was describing that to her.
A loss of joy, a loss of motivation.
She says,
Oh, that a menopause symptom.
Loss of estrogen causes shoulder issues and loss of joy.

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Now you're connecting them in terms of chi, and it's like
That's like, do you what I mean?
Because, like, that's women in menopause get frozen shoulder and they leave their jobs and marriages.
They literally can't have enough drive and focus because the heat in their heart is so low.
And if you read Chinese medicine textbook, if you look at menopause, they will talk about one of them read called the triple warmer. Okay?

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And all
that means is fancy verbiage mean there's three compartments in your body.
And they help produce a lot of energy because of the fascia that's in the compartment.
The
fascia is an
energy producer.
But one of the compartments is up in the heart.
And the other component is down near the ovaries and the uterus.
The second one's in the digestion.

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So you have heart, then your ovaries and reproductive, and then your digestion.
So when you go into menopause, they say one of the main areas that always gets stressed because you're moving blood flow, your moving hormones, is the pericardium, your heart.
And so I know if you're going through menopause, you would have to strengthen your heart, like emotionally, physically, like taking even heart or glandulars, but also cultivating good relationships.

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That are around you that give you fire.
I'm not trying to get too deep into it, but when you're going to
menopause,
the fire is fed by the wood.
Wood feeds the fire.
You would need individuals that are very to feed you that have wood element.
I'm a wood element.
I look like a tree.
I'm tall, I'm lanky, I have ropey arms.
But the the wood element is actually a person who likes growth.

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Okay?
Trees grow.
You would need people around you to help you gr.
In this time.
So you don't need stagnant people.
I'm saying that would give your heart fire.
She.
I think I'm going a little too far with this,
Aaron.
I'm sorry.
But anyway, yeah.
No, you're not, because I have follow-up
questions.
And apologies to the listeners who are not interested in my follow-up questions, but this is interesting.

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So do you think humans have an innate intuition about this stuff?
So the idea is that
traditional Chinese medicine
that you, for example, like seeking out people who help you grow.
Is there an intuition that we have around this?
Do you think that we, if like an unencumbered human could listen to their body, quote unquote, which is such a cliched phrase,

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but hear
me out.
could listen to their body and say, you know I need is I need some growth, I need some expanders around me, people to help me grow.
Do you think that there do you think is there an intuitive piece to Chinese traditional Chinese medicine that we've kind of overridden?
I do believe so.
I think you worded it beautifully.
I really do.
And I can go as far, in my opinion, is that if you need growth.

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That people talk about pherom and they talk about different things that could attract that into your life. But seriously,
the energy that the organ gives off, this is one angle I'm saying, the energy that the organ gives off, my liver, my liver helps me with
Histamine breakdown, cholesterol hormones, and growth, right?
The energy from my liver, if that's my constitution.

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Innately, it will produce more chi and more vibration and more output.
This is an energetic aspect.
You would then feel that.
And that's why you would seek out an individual that could have a little bit more liberty, a little more growth.
That's how I think humans are very intuitive about it.
I think we
can feel
vibrational patterns.
And if we're not numbed,
But I do believe that even they say, this is how deep and go, your rods and cones and your eyes, guys, they filter out red, green, and blue.

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Okay.
But what that means is at certain times of the year, your
DNA, your chromosomes emit different types of light according to the crystalline structure, which means you're more in tune even neurologically to have certain color vibrational patterns that are prominent in your body at certain times of the
year.
Whatever can feed that color, or whatever can feed that frequency, you will attract.

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You will look into the world and you'll find that frequency.
You'll see the wavelength, you'll find the color, you're going to be like.
oh, that that person looks really cool or that color looks really well.
You will innately link into it.
And I hope that's a decent explanation.
And that's even with sound therapies, too.
I think humans though, you know as well as I do, I can tell you're pretty you're very intuitive.

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Like you you look through people not through them.
I can tell that you're very intent with people and probably feel them a little bit too much, especially you're a very heart-oriented person.
I can tell that right off the bat.
Very passionate, can almost be type A, but you have to hold that back.
I can tell that just from facial diagnosis, right?

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But person, though, it's like you would have to have like
More of a feeding in the sense that if you are in this time in your life and you found some people that could like feed into the fire element.
That's where I'm saying, like knowing more about yourself.
Like, that's the part
you just said.
Knowing about yourself, that's the biggest aspect of it.

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All I have to say, I gonna circle back around.
When people know this inherent individuality.
And sensitivity.
Let's circle back.
When you're that sensitive like you are, you I really believe this with all my heart.
The senses in your skin even are heightened.
They even say that a lot of these Chinese medicine practitioners have a heightened amount of sensation, like you feel it, right?

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They say that individuals have different hair.
Response on their skin because you can feel more than other people.
Now, it's not me just saying that.
I just find that so interest that your body can be that sensitive.
So, when you feel it, right, and you're talking to somebody, go, I already know what this person's thinking, and I can feel it.
And you're the kind of person who would try to give people the benefit of the doubt to a point, right?

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And that's how your system picks up on vibrational patterns.
I just think it's very interesting.
And for everybody listening out there, I got on this tangent, but I'd really love how your body
Can use all the senses, and some of us have a little more heightened awareness.
I'm not really like that, Aaron.
The only reason I'm very decent at this, I say good, is because of consistency.

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I'm one of those kind of guys that does something over and over and over again until I get pretty good at it.
But there are some people like yourself that could fill up pretty quick.
So that's a long way around the road to say, yes, humans do have that innate intelligence.
Well, also interesting that, you know, if you are self, you know, quote quote unquote diagnosing as somebody who doesn't maybe have as much of the innate

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Intuition, but you've learned
it.
That's a very empowering message, too.
I think.
I always think about the way to empower the health consumer because we are health coaches here, all of us listening, or health practitioners.
And there's this sense of self-determination and autonomy.
We want the client to recognize in themselves, like, I'm doing this because I want to, and it's important to me, and I know how to do it, and I have the skills and resources to do it.

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But to imagine, you, a lot of people, health consumers, and you probably run into this in your practice, think, this is my lot in life, I'm stuck with this, this is my genetics, this is my.
My destiny, and anything really can be learned, even like an innate wisdom can be learned if you don't, you know, if you haven't cultivated it.
Perfect.
I think, do you believe like that innate intelligence, like you can get?

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back in touch with it.
I think that's what it takes.
It's just like us really listening to our body.
So I'll tell a lot of patients of mine.
As corny as this sounds, I want you to be at go at night and to be very, very still and talk to the organs.
And
they're
kind of like, what do you mean talk to the organs?
And I think that that awareness of coming back to the place of like being able to communicate with your organs, with your body.

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Really allows you finally to have that angle of being able to listen and to feel more, and to like allow the body to be like a huge lightning rod, if you
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I like where we've gone so far with this. I have a
million more questions. I'm
so
excited This is a
good combo. I'm
really thankful.
It is.
And it's so far it's because I'm incredibly curious and really not exposed often to traditional Chinese medicine.

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And
it's just fascinating to me.
the complexity, the dyn the dynamic, you know, the multitudes we contain are so
missing in
in the
Sort of traditional common wellness narrative.
And I personally, for example, I work in the weight loss space.
I work with women on weight loss.
I work with women my age on weight loss who are kind of given these obtuse

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Eat less, move more rules doesn't factor in their lived experience, the psychos aspects, their programming, their emotions around it. And I
try to fold that stuff in, but it falls
So here's the kind of where I want to put post put this put this question next.
Because you're a practitioner with a successful practice.
We're all out here trying to be practitioners with successful practices.

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And you have a very like esoteric specific message.
And I know we talked about how you get a lot of like business from referral, but how do you message what you do?
That's a loaded question.
How do you message what you do?
Yeah, that's a great question.
I mean, I got to think about this.
I think that
having the a mixture of different types of modalities that you put into one, how do I like, how can I resonate with individuals to

(26:53):
actually jump
on board, if that's the word I want to use, or this phrase.
Without sounding, I always say this too, like in too intense.
I think the message over the years, if I really can look into it, is people say, like, we're one unit, we're not separate pieces, right?
We're one unit.
But one of the biggest angles was I always could tell you if an emotion or stress response was creating your physical element.

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And number two, I always dealt with hidden infections.
Those
are my things.
So I had to come from that angle, Aaron.
I can't say anything profound.
I literally was the guy if
I feel this way.
If you had hidden infections, if you had a hidden problem, they would call me.
And to convey it, I get what you're saying, I had to convey to them.
that I could hopefully use modalities that would allow me to actually find the frequency of the infection when your blood work says it's not there.

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Right.
And that's like how I kind of related it to the public, yeah.
Amazing.
Okay, great.
Now, good.
So you're the hidden infections guy.
How does somebody know?
Like, what is a hidden infection?
What do you mean by that?
Like, how would I know if I have a how would anybody know if they have a hidden infection?
Do you know what I mean?
Oh, why?
How do I
self-identify as somebody with a hidden infection?

(28:07):
Oh, I but.
Aaron, you know me, I just love talking about these things.
Because people think I'm going be gross, but I'm not.
But I always tell patients, okay, for hidden infections, I always ask them about their poop.
And people
go, oh, yeah, okay, well, you know, I have poop here and there.
And they tell me their color, and they tell me the texture.
That alone will tell me if you have certain types of infections.
But when they have a hidden infection, they're in the form of styes around the eyes.

(28:31):
Random rashes or pimples in certain areas consistently.
And for many if you had wart or any type of skin tags when you were a kid, but they diminished and went away, then you have cold sores randomly.
And you also have certain types of coloration on the face.

(28:51):
So I know that's a lot to take in, but when I look at those things in the body, I can tell if you have a hidden infection going on.
Whoa.
Okay.
Poop skin.
So the skin stuff is so interesting because it's almost like the skin is this cry for help.
Like it's the external organ that we can all see, and it's almost like, hey.

(29:14):
I've cut this f. Please
help me. Please
help me.
You great skin,
by the way. Just saying. Great
skin.
Great skin.
Actually, my new
monitors.
Blurs my skin texture.
So, this is not real.
This is not real.
I don know.
It has a filter built in.
But anyway, it's fine.
Thank you though.
Interesting.
So, okay.
But the thing is, people think that, for example, I have rashes, I have wart, I get cold sores.

(29:41):
That's just me.
Do you know what I mean?
there's like another level of somebody saying, somebody having to believe that there's something else going on, right?
Yeah, that is a very hard thing because.
You know, one of the things my heart goes to individuals is that when patients come in, you don't want to give somebody something else to think about.
You
don't want them to
think like there's something wrong.
But I will say that I don't I'm very cautious about that, Aaron.

(30:04):
When patients come in, I'm like, don't think I'm telling you to freak out because there's nothing to freak out about.
But for instance, if you have the plant fascitis, if you've
had such
and such skin tags or whatever in this area, I had to make a mental note because later on in life, that chronicity, that chronic area, will show itself.
And that's not like being negative.

(30:26):
It's just I know it will.
And
even when patients come in, they'll have like certain signs and signals.
Like I've known guys that have come in and they have heart indicators.
Every heart indicator.
But they've had to go through Lyme disease.
I
'm not going to go tell the guy, okay, you've had this, this.
Now you've got heart up. I
not saying that. I,
okay, what we need to do.

(30:47):
Is you need to go to cardiologist and you need to keep an eye on this because it could get weaker.
If it does, you need to come
back.
And that's tough when I'm the hidden infections guy.
Because I think some people go, they kind of get nervous, like you can't be nervous about it.
What it is, we're trying to cut it off at the pass
and keep
it from developing into something a lot deeper,
a lot
more chronic.
Yeah.

(31:08):
Interesting.
So what would it what would be an example of hidden infection?
Oh,
strep.
Strep?
Oh.
Aaron, do you know how many people are hidden strep carriers?
What?
I would venture to say, and I would love for any micro, not to challenge anybody, to tell me the info, send it to me, that

(31:31):
Out of ten patients, I would say eight of them usually have strep hidden.
And it's not like, oh, I have a strep th. It
's literally.
Yeah, Doc, you know, every season my throat gets a little tight or I get a little sore throat randomly.
If I go into this place, I smell the fumes and my throat gets tight.
True, true.
or I get random swelling around my throat, or I've always had a rough throat, or I feel like I cough randomly like throughout the day, or I get small amounts tonsil stones.

(31:59):
That, or I can't be out in the heat.
Every time I'm out in the heat, it's almost like I'm allergic to the sun.
Or when I go into the water, I break
out.
Those literally, or old pneumonia, strep pneumonia, klebs, those kind of infections they'll hide. And what will
happen is you go get a person with a thermography and they'll show
Therm where their neck and their clavicles are just jacked up and the areas are near their armpits. And you ask them,

(32:24):
Did you have strep?,, I stre.
I mon. I strep like
maybe six times
when I was a kid.
And this happens all the time.
And I get adamant about it because if somebody comes to you and says, okay, Aaron, I've got really bad hearing issues.
Okay, tinn. And I
'm not the sol for that. What is tinnitus?

(32:44):
Tinnitus is always related
to the kidneys. Kidneys always
Control the ears in Chinese medicine.
So, when somebody gets tinnitus, my first thought is they have a kidney infection.
And you will find out what people have strep in their throat.
that strep got all the way down to their urinary system and took house in their kidneys and in their head.
So they have a double whammy.
And you go get ear wax and getting their sinus stuff checked through a lab, and they'll have stre. Crazy

(33:08):
amounts.
Whoa.
I mean, Epstein-Bar, strep, some people have Lyme disease. But
between you and I, people don't even realize how much protozo parasite they have. Like
Giard.
I mean, that is crazy
how many people have Giard. Or malaria.
See, I'm
getting all
of it
because I'm just I get excited about talking about it, but that's the truth, though.
Yeah.

(33:29):
Okay, well, actually, so the parasite thing is so interesting because I feel like
I was completely dumb to the existence of parasit until in the last few years, and now I think
I probably got one or two or ten or a million.
What you're thinking is, are we all just riddled with paras? And are

(33:49):
they all.
We all do have parasites.
But I will say this.
I think that I've seen individuals who've come in and who've had
Very low signals from frequency-based techniques and biofeedback, and even poop checks that they don't have as many parasites at all.
Now, I will say that you can get rid of a lot of your parasites, but I do believe

(34:11):
I don't know, maybe you can talk on this with me, Aaron, is that I do believe people do have parasites in their body because the body is a way to allow certain things in their body to eat up other things.
Could be a possibility.
Symbiotic kind of thing.
It could be.
And, you know, when we talk about parasitic activity, one of the hardest
Wants for people to understand is that a lot of your parasites come from your fruits and vegetables.

(34:32):
That's just normal.
A lot of them come through your tap water, your groundwater.
You bathe in it, and they're so small they can get into your skin.
Okay.
But that's one of the biggest things when people got it talked to me about going into the lakes or the rivers.
Those are huge.
And what happens is these types of infections don't just stop like on the skin.
When they get inside, they like to go to the liver.
Like to go to the spleen, like to go to the lungs, they like to go to the brain.

(34:56):
And we always think of parasites as just big long worms.
Yeah.
And we are not talking about that.
I'm talking about those microscopic ones that can get up into your ears and into your nose.
I am not exaggerating, guys.
I've had patients literally in the last month.
In May, bring me three pictures of them blowing out a small worm out of their nostrils, like three

(35:16):
inches.
Three of
them.
Now, I'm not
saying
like I'm telling you, and you think, oh, it just snot.
It's, no, it's not snot, it's literally a worm.
And
Is that all the time?
No.
What we're talking about, little microscopic protos that look like little itty-bitty oval things like you see in a microscope.
But those tear up your red blood cells, they can get into your brain.
And this sounds scary, but it's not.

(35:37):
I just saying, you can take the big three.
You could take art.
Worm, black walnut. You could
even do like Vedang. That's
one of my favorites. But I'm
just saying, one of my friends, I can plug her away. She's
like, she's great. But Kim Kim
Rogers, RogersHood.
She was in town the other day, and we were just talking about different types of parasites.

(35:59):
And there are certain herbs, if you just put them to combination, they'll go in and kill all the infect all those parasites or pull them out.
So it's a more it's a bigger problem than most people would think.
Yes.
So
man.
You could have millions in your body, Aaron, but I you know, but you wouldn't tell.
You got because your skin tone's good, even say with the camera.
I'm looking over here, that's why I look over to the side here.

(36:21):
But if usually, when a person has tons of parasites, the body won't release them all at once.
In fact, some people do six weeks of a parasite cleanse.
And then they'll just release a ton of flukes, fluke worms, out of their body.
Now, why does the body get selective?
That's the question.
I really am with you.
I'm like, why does it

(36:41):
Happen that way?
How can the body hold on to something like millions of such?
You know, think about it.
If one, if one tapeworm could release 10,000 eggs.
in certain
lunar phases.
I mean, if it's been in your body for a long time, you could have quite a bit of eggs.
But we could be afraid, but that's not to be afraid.
It's like, no, there's big herbs that you can take to clean that stuff out.

(37:02):
So the parasite thing is happening.
Yeah, it really I'm not afraid.
I'm deeply curious to know what little beasties are living inside me.
Like, that would be worth it for me to try just to see.
But, like, is this a new problem?
Is this like a modernity thing, or have humans had parasites in them since forever?

(37:26):
And if we can read reports, there.
They've been around for so long.
I had patients, they're in their 70s, but if we're going to go even back in the 50s, you know, 50s or 60s.
My grandmother was raised on a farm, and so my mom was raised on farms in Korea, but both sets of cultures actually did de.
And so they knew they would get certain worms through the animals.

(37:47):
So they still have been around.
I had a patient, she said that her doctor would come every quarter, and some of them would even take kerosene, Aaron.
Kerosene.
Or turpentine.
And I know people still take turpentine.
I've heard of turpentine.
And she would do it.
She
goes, You know what?
And when she came to me, she kept having heart palpitations.
Now, through biofeedback, I found a small worm frequency that was related to heartworms.

(38:10):
Get this.
And I said, I'm not telling you have that.
I'm saying there could be some memory or something in that tissue that reminds it of.
She goes, Oh, no, no, I had heartworms.
She goes, In fact, my country doctor would come giving them some turpentine, these other other things.
And he said she said, For the next three days, I just poop worms.
And they would do look at him.
He goes Oh, yeah, those are heartworms.

(38:32):
Could she still have the question is, could you still have heartworms or them reproducing in the heart tissue, or does the organ have the memory of it?
Those are, but it back in the olden days, quotation mark is like
you know, they're doing things to help get rid of parasites as much as possible.
So we still sh we still should do it though, honestly.
Yeah, like in the olden days we would have we would have put those herbs together and done, you know, or something like that, right?

(38:56):
I I did hear that recently that in some Asian cultures
they warm themselves every seasonally kind of thing.
Is that is that right?
Yeah, they my mom's culture they do in Korea and I think even in Japan.
And there's
I say advancements, but even in certain areas of India and throughout Asia, they use certain types of medications and certain types of herb processes.

(39:21):
Just depends on what kind of person.
But they usually are always doing some kind of deworming.
And I think they to them it's not weird.
Like
they don't think
it's weird at all, you know, to
To deworm.
They would think it they probably would think it's weird not to do it.
Yeah.
Like, wait, you're not deworming yourself
Truly.
And and even if you look culturally, like when I was when go to Korea, they would wear masks, not because of COVID.

(39:43):
If they ever thought that
They were getting sick, they would wear a mask out of respect.
Like,
I don't want anybody
else.
So, like, they have cultures of like, no, none of the family, we all have to do a worm cleanse because we don't want one person to have worms and because it can infect everybody else.
But you know, pharmaceutical, I'm not going to get into that.
Like their their avenues, they know that helping get rid of parasitic infections could change the medical structure quite a bit if you know if it was just us having a few herbs and a tincture and saying, hey, this will

(40:12):
So get rid of your SI. So get
rid of your IBS. That
would
be
hard for the culture to take, I would
think. Wow.
Well, that was an interesting little, shall we say, wormhole.
So, Bra, okay, so I want to get into kind of what you do because we do like talking about
People like practitioners and their

(40:34):
practices,
and how you built what you built.
So, you have a brick and is it brick and mortar or virtual practice?
Brick and mortar.
I'm right here in that room.
This is where I treat.
Yeah.
Amazing.
And then what else do you have a podcast?
Talk to me about the podcast.
And what else are you doing?
Thank
you, Franz.
I Ancient Health Podcast.

(40:54):
Ancient
Health Podcast
was started by my friend Dr.
Josh Axe.
And many people know Dr.
Ax. He
did
Ancient Nutrition
and Dr. Josh
Axe show. He started
that about
About we have about three years ago, and me and Josh are close buddies, and he had gotten an injury.
So, when he started the podcast, we were starting it up, and he had a very bad infection in his spine.

(41:17):
And that I started the podcast, but we had, you know, Josh had asked me, he's like, Can you just help with this part of the podcast?
So that's how I started the podcast.
Thankfully, over the years, seeing them getting better.
This is great.
I do the podcast and I do full-time practice, Aaron.
Like, so one of the problems I do have, guys, is that
If I'm here at the office, normal days are 7:30, 8 o'clock, and I go till 6, 6:30, which is,

(41:42):
I
was doing quite a bit.
I want to tell you another part of the story, but
With this though, being here at the office, I'll just transition over due to the podcast.
And then when we're doing social media, I would get here early in the morning to do like, you know, some videos and stuff.
So a little bit of podcasting, full-time practice.
Instagram and such like that.
But I got a membership.

(42:02):
I'm revamping the membership even now.
I meet every week.
I go live on a Q.
So
you listen to the podcast there, and you just jump on live with me.
And then you ask me questions.
And we have a good family.
I really do think they're family and they're really great.
And we meet every week, almost every single week.
What else, Aaron?
I mean
Now, I'm getting more into maybe doing more writing, maybe

(42:26):
possibly
in the future for it, because I've had my friends have said, you need to start doing this.
And I'm like, okay.
So doing that, and but I'll say the in-person practice, though, I do virtual clinic.
People can sign
up, and
I can do okay with that.
I'm just saying over the years I've had it start to sl slow down recently, not because of like I don't want to keep doing in person. It's

(42:47):
just you have to be careful of your fatigue as a Chinese medicine
practitioner,
any practitioner.
I wanted to practice what I preach, but I will say the experiences I have here, Aaron, like every day is what I talk about online because
That's the only thing I know, and I'm thankful for it.
So when I go on the podcast, they, What do you talk about?
I was like, I just talked about the experience I just had yesterday.

(43:09):
So it was relevant, though, because it's happening here.
A lot of different things I've had.
You know, I've, good gracious, been all over the world.
Yeah,
absolutely. And I
think that's the common experience that modern health and wellness practitioners
Of all kinds are having, which is, wow, I'm very multif all of a sudden. I'm
a practitioner, and a podcaster, and I'm a social media talking head, and, and, and. And I want

(43:34):
to just validate that.
It feels overwhelming.
It can feel overwhelming, especially when you get to a certain level of success and impact, right?
So being able to impact a lot of people is what we all want.
And when you get there, it can feel like a lot, like you're.
You've lost protection of your own sort of mental energy and your personal

(43:54):
sort of space and time.
I think
the membership's an interesting idea.
So
So these folks pay a membership and they get access to you once a week in a live like Q and A style call?
Q style. I
it's what kind of sets it different, possibly, because I'm trying to think about the price point because I didn't want to have a membership
That was like so extravagant because it's not,

(44:14):
you know, it
's like, I just want it to where I would say it's the person who is fed up without like, they just want to know how the small signs and signals can be fixed up.
So I just do like, yeah, I think it's like tw no, thirty-five or something bucks a month.
And then individuals have the option.
I every Wednesday night usually around six thirty, I go for about an hour and a half.
Two hours.
And people do come in with a lot of good questions.

(44:35):
And sometimes it is almost like I'm not treating you medically, but I just give my opinion.
We get a lot of questions, like a lot of good questions, and they're pretty deep at times.
But you know, I I look at my at the people who worked on me, my docs.
And I wish that I had the opportunity to jump online with them every week and just like shoot the breeze or talk with them.

(44:58):
And so I was like, well, I want to have that format too, you know, just for individuals.
Because I have a ton of coaches.
Healthcare practitioners, ac that come on, and we all just I'm not talking at them. I
'm not telling
them what I mean, but we have a really good combo, so yeah.
Amazing.
Wow.
So you never really know what's going to come up on these calls.
You have to be able to just roll with it.

(45:18):
You do.
All the time.
It's like I always take every conversation, like Ben Greenfield, he was talking about his memberships and such.
And I like listening into their conversation or any conversation within a membership because I get these little hints.
Like I try to
stand more when I do my podcast now.
Because my left ankle can get real tight.
But those are like ideas I get from like other memberships.

(45:40):
I'm like, okay, you know, it's you know, little things here and
there.
But what I like about this, it goes back to something you kind of touched on, or I interpreted from what you said earlier, which is this idea of you have a very clear expertise and you've just
Went all in, if you've gone all in on that, and it's like this is I interpreted this from something you said earlier.

(46:02):
Like, I kind of talk about the same stuff all the time.
I'm the guy who talks about this.
And I actually think that's an overlooked aptitude that a lot of health practitioners I think we downplay the importance of that.
You want to put your flag in the ground as the expert in this one thing, and not this generalist that kind of
Does it all because then you can create a community like a membership where they we can't wait to come and hear what Dr.

(46:24):
Motley has to say about this thing that we already know he
Knows what, you know, a knows about,
right?
That's the benefit of being an expert.
Oh, that's great.
I appreciate it.
I do think that any format.
Having to like look at a whole bunch of systems and trying to become a jack of all trades, even I myself, thankfully.

(46:45):
I paid attention to what I, my own advice.
I got to a point, Erin, where I was, you know, of course, you checking hormones, doing all the labs, doing different things.
And I just really looked at all my patients and I was like, what they really love for me to do is find their hidden infections.
That's what
they love me to
do.
And they really like that I can possibly tell them about the programming emotionally that could keep the organ sick.

(47:06):
So, those are the two things I really concentrated.
I started referring out to other practitioners.
Even though I could help in certain ways, I'm with you 100%.
I was like, no.
I'm only going to be able to service people better if I can dive deep, like you said, 100% into these things.
Because I'm so thankful.
I got a medical doctor that's in the next building.
I would find strep and staff in my own way on some of her patients and not over you know overbearing or tal talking,

(47:33):
telling them to
disagree, not at all.
I would say, can you go tell the doc?
What's going on?
And she would find out, and she goes, Yeah, that's there.
How did he do that?
And now we share people back and
forth.
And I think
it's pretty cool though.
It is.
Yeah, it's really good.
It
is.
And I will say, like, I've picked up on this in our conversation, you're not steamrolling your perspective.

(47:55):
Like you're, you know, there's a real collaborative energy to the way you might say, you know, lower leg and calf issues can be related to the kidney.
And then you might get the person to explore.
Like I'm imagining on these membership calls, if somebody comes in with a feeling or a symptom, that you would coach them, in a sense, to say
Well, it could be related to this.

(48:17):
Does that ring any bells for you?
Is there anything there that we could explore?
And there's an empowerment
to that, right?
It's not just the teaching and telling, it's the sort of nurturing.
From within to a certain extent.
And so the collaborative relationship with the actual with the doctor next door is a good example of that.
Truly.
I think when you have a combination of people asking you real questions.

(48:41):
when it does give power into the back end of their own hands, when they are able to then start to deduce on their own.
And I know everybody has the ability to do it.
One of the things I love about the membership is
When I started telling people about like a Chinese medicine clock and time of the day that causes this problem to this problem, and the members would literally
Send a message in and be like, Hey, Doc, I know my liver is screwed up because at this time of night this happened.

(49:06):
And you just, cool, okay.
So
Like you say, the collaborative effect that you're having with these individuals, and they're able to take a problem and then deduce all the way
down because of
just some simple, simple steps.
And I think, like you say, the doctor next door.
is we miss that bedside manner in regular hospital settings.

(49:29):
So it will be that we would have to take some things upon ourselves to learn in this manner.
Really, when I go into the membership, I try to bring other people on the membership that do
different types of
modalities because I know I don't have every answer for everything.
I just want to be the guy that sort of tells you what
What I think hidden
infections could be doing to you.

(49:49):
And that's
where I come from.
Well, I think it's deeply empowering.
I think at a lot of levels, the health care industry, the wellness industry, which I think
The last statistic I saw was the wellness industry.
It's like $14 trillion
industry now.
It's crazy.
We made it into
the trillions.
We did it.
But it's it has for b it has whether this was

(50:10):
Intentional or inadvertent, it has disempowered the health consumer.
So that
relationship sometimes with the doctor is very disempowered.
You know, tell me what's wrong with me, doctor.
And the doctor will say, well, it looks like this.
And in some cases we need that, but in other cases, it's like, what can I know about myself here?

(50:30):
What is there to learn about myself
and intuit?
Which is just more empowering in a manner of speaking.
It is.
I think that we're coming to the points in healthcare.
where like you just said, there's we don want any disenchantment on the consumer because there's just so much information.

(50:51):
And I agree, there's I mean, even I can get analysis paralysis when I'm putting out information because sometimes I'll go, if I put this out there, it may cause more question in some ways to a person if they're on the right track.
So
when you take information, you know, we're trying to create some soft communication.

(51:12):
I agree.
I do love like finding every single small molecule, and I but I'm with you that you got to keep something simple.
And here are some simple things you could do for your health.
And I think that even with memberships or when I have patients load, they can patients we don't want them to become disenchanted because they love connectivity, they love community, like you said, not only with themselves,

(51:35):
But with other people that are like mine, that's why I like the membership.
But I have found, even in my practice over the years, when I got I'm and
I'm not acting guys like I had this huge practice.
I have a pretty big practice.
I've treated a lot of people.
Thankfully, it's probably over 100,000.
I, in my career,
seriously.
And the one thing, though.
is I never wanted it to get so big that I forgot talking to people.

(52:00):
And so I made a
lot of friends.
Through the years, through the patient load.
But I knew personally, and I want everybody out there to take the same advice.
When I got to a point, I knew that I couldn't keep the connectivity because it was just too much work in my body.
And that's what's happening into the consumer.
The consumer is out there, and we're just sometimes I think there's just too much information about one thing, and I think

(52:24):
it's just
overriding people's sensorium, basically.
I think you're right.
And I actually think that ends up being where the health coach, the health practitioner ends up being the soft place to
land.
For example, a lot of health coaches are very concerned about
AI replacing
them.
And I think there's no concern there because this this this sort of

(52:45):
you know, there's like a U-curve of like one of wanting all the information.
It's about to come down and people are going to actually want less information and say, you know.
Maybe I could just hook into one person.
I get this even in my practice.
You know, there's a million people selling weight loss out there, but people come into my practice because it's like, I just want to be with like Aaron for the next six months and just focus here and maybe put my blinkers on.

(53:07):
So, this just makes the case for need the human-to-human connection,
which humans have always
and will always need.
Oh,
I love it. I do.
I think that
one of the hardest parts, do you find this, Aaron, like with your prep, your patients, your clients?
over the years, as you really do become connected and you have some friendships.
And they used to tell us, like, don't get too familiar with your patients.

(53:29):
But I'm like
it's going to happen.
And you're right, people do just want connectivity.
I think people have same with you, they'll go, Hey, I just need you to tell me that this is going to be okay.
And
sometimes I've had to, No, you got to go get this checked out.
But I think with AI,
I've seen AI take genetic reports and you've seen them too.
They take that and they'll go through it and I'll look at the report and they'll talk about its intertwining with herbs and supplementation.

(53:55):
And sure enough, some of the things it says are correct.
But they some people will live and die by that.
But I know you and I, like there is going to be a point where people say, Yeah, this is great.
But I really need to just talk to somebody about this
and get some inflection.
And that's the hard part about AI.
And I not trying, guys, I not trying to get overburdened with
this.

(54:16):
The part that would be missing is because the general feel that you would have for your patient, right, Aaron?
Like you would know that they could take this.
But if
I did, it would override their system in the sense like it would make them emotionally feel fatigued and make them feel wrong.
They would lose hope.
I don know if AI could do that.
You know, they don't know how this could affect a person in three weeks.

(54:36):
That's right.
Eatful.
Maybe they make an app.
I'm not kidding.
I don't know.
They're doing such crazy stuff.
I'm like, but I can go down that rabbit hole, but we not going to go down that rabbit
hole.
No, I know.
Well, okay, so I mean, just really, really enlightening, and I appreciate everything you're doing.
I'm just curious, like, what
If someone was struggling if someone is struggling with unexplained symptoms, what's the first thing you'd want them to do or understand about their body?

(55:03):
I'm going to keep it real general.
If you have an
unexplained
symptom, I always go down the route of hidden infections.
Okay, so please don't get overwhelmed.
When I say hidden infections,
If you can't find an answer, I always go to common infections.
I would say most people will find.
Okay, so what I'm saying is I always say get checked for stre.
Epstein-barr or any type of herpes virus.

(55:25):
Okay.
So strap or staff, Epstein-Barr virus.
Parasites, possibly Lyme disease.
Now, okay, I'm not saying it's the answer.
What I am saying is that when you have unexplained symptoms, you could find if you have a heightened amount of one of those top four major areas.
But it all will come down, though, to the simple questions of do you poop well and do you pee well?

(55:48):
I'm sorry, that sounds really, really basic, but people in our country and around the world are literally functionally constipated.
Yeah.
Not only physically, and you know this as well as I do, Aaron, but emotionally.
And if I check somebody that comes in with acupuncture or Chinese medicine
Most all of them will come in, and the first thing I'd have to clear is their colon or their kidneys, bladder.

(56:14):
So my first job is to tell them we're going to do something to get
The big colon area cleaned out.
So, what does that mean?
With those hidden signs and symptoms, no matter which ones you have, you got to be able to pee all your waste out and poop it all out and even breathe it out.
Like lungs.
And so I'm saying if you clean out the colon really well, I'm already saying this person is going to improve by 50% or 60%.

(56:38):
Then I go into the other parts.
And you see how adamant I get about it.
I'm telling you, I've worked three visits in a row on most of my patients just to get their large intestine to fire up.
Yeah.
He's like dead as a doorbell, a doorknob.
It's crazy.
I'm getting
high-voiced.
Sorry.
Sorry, Aaron.
No, that makes it makes a lot of sense.
That absolutely seems like the most I mean, the most reasonable place to start.

(57:00):
Well, the first thing we have to do is clear out your excretory system so that you can excrete the things that aren't supposed to be there.
I think that makes perfect sense.
Again, I can start to like harp on it, but when you start seeing patients that come in that have extreme amounts of eczema
And skin rashes.
You know, you've seen those.

(57:21):
I've had some that their lips were so scabbed over in their neck from all the infection.
I'm not having all the answers, but when you say, Well, I don know what the issue is, the first thing that would come up to my mind is, I'm going to check and ask this person that has strep infections.
And because she had literally scabs over her thyroid area.
And she says, Oh, yeah, I got strapped like six times when I was a kid and they had to take my tonsils out.

(57:46):
It did not go away.
It stayed there.
So
I just want to give everybody to have hope.
It's like when you found it, it's amazing.
We found this on this patient.
I was doing stuff for her gut, giving her some herbs.
She found a doctor that worked with us that did a specific type of antibiotic that helped with some of the strep.
And next team time I see her, most all her redness is like probably down seventy percent, and she's had this for over four years.

(58:09):
So
Not trying to toot my own horn or anything.
It's not that.
Just look into those hidden infections and then make sure you're pooping well.
I do it sounds it's one of my philosophies.
We all have to have a philosophy.
I love it.
It's direct, it's to the point.
There's no ambiguity.
No.

(58:30):
I don want that.
I want us to have clear, clear steps ahead.
So
this has been really fun,
though.
I really appreciate your interview.
This is
great.
It has been fun.
I appreciate you just kind of joining me down this sort of garden path of curiosity.
Where can our listeners keep up with
you?
You can go to Dr.
Motley at Dr.
Motley, spelled out, D-O-T-O-R-O-T-L-E, Dr. Motley

(58:52):
on Instagram, F
TikTok, X, all the little the the outlets, even on, I think, Rumble.
And I have a YouT channel. What I
'm you know, we just sort of put things up. And website
is dr dot com.
And yeah, just all the platforms.
I appreciate you guys keeping up with me.
I've been trying to stand and take pressure off my left hip the last few and my left ankle.

(59:14):
And it's been like I have to move on it sometimes because it gets a little stiff.
And then I tell myself, I, I to work on my gallbladder.
That's what I got to do.
Oh my gosh.
Well, I'm going to get me one of those Chinese medicine dolls and start figuring out where all my eggs
and need are going That
's the best. I
better know.
It's like you guys, every
have
to get you a Chinese medicine doll. You

(59:34):
find out where you're hurting. You
go to the area where it's hurting, you look at the point, you find what the initials stand for, and you go to it and you look at the initials and say, Okay, that's the small intestine.
And then you go and look at what the function of it does on Instag or Google. It'll
tell you, Yes, I have a problem processing food, I get bloated. And then you
find out the emotions on the Chinese medicine chart and the time of day that the organ is most active. See?

(59:59):
Right there.
You just taught us everything about drizzle chin And you
go, it's just my elbow
hurts. I'm,
no, it's not. Your small
intestine is.
Really, really tired.
Oh my gosh.
This is, I'm fascinated.
I really do appreciate you taking the time with us.
Today, to give us a little glimpse into how you work with folks.

(01:00:19):
It's really interesting, and I really appreciate your time.
I, this is a fun, I can tell.
And I get moving talking fast, Aaron, and I get a little higher pitched.
And when I start rambling a little bit more, I'm like, I'm really enjoying it.
You know, I could talk to you for another hour.
So it's just fun.
Thank you.
Awesome.
All right.
Thanks, Dr.
Motley.
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