September 5, 2025 • 53 mins
Kathryn is joined by Grant and Hannah Dunlop to discuss the latest season of Bachelor in Paradise! They explore the new format, the impact of introducing money into the relationships, and the dynamics of the contestants. Tune in for some humor and critical insights on this season, the contestants' relationships, and the overall production changes. Hear why we are wanting a slight return to the original format of the show, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to the Heart and Soul Podcast with Catherine Banko.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Everybody? Welcome back to Heart and Soul Podcast today.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am joined by the twos, the twos and only
Grant and Hannah Dunlap. How do you say that one
and only? It's not it's not one person, it's two.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What the flesh one fun one the one flesh and only.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
One flash, My dear friends, Grant and Hannah Dunlop. Welcome
to the podcast. It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Thank god. I know we finally read it. You know what,
I saved it for such a time as this, as
the scriptures say.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Bachelor in Paradise finale, but we need to talk
about the entire Bachelor in Paradise sees it?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yes we do, Yeah, we gotta get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I really haven't been doing any serious episodes the last
three week because my life is consumed with seriousness. So
like when I come on the podcast, I want to
talk about summer, I turn pretty, I want to talk
about Taylor Swift's engagement, and I want to talk about
reality TV Bachelor in Paradise. So that's what we're doing
again this week for the third week in a row.
And Grant is one of the few men who watches
(01:19):
Bachelor in Paradise, and he watches it with his wife
because one flesh and so I've been wanting to get
a man's perspective on the podcast for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And my husband doesn't watch TV and he hates being
on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I literally married the opposite of me. So we're
gonna talk about Bachelor in Paradise. Let's just go ahead
and start with what did you think about the new
style of bib Miriam you.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Go first, Yeah, I would say, I mean, for from
my perspective of things, I can appreciate what they were
trying to do. I can appreciate trying to change things up.
I can appreciate an effort to make it seem a
little bit more fresh. I think the reason why I watch,
(02:09):
other than the obvious being that my wife watches is yeah,
exactly lifelong fan, but no, the reason that I would
like to think it's entertaining to watch is the like
the silliness and the drama and the craziness and all
the things that I don't want in my own life
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but are entertaining to watch in other's lives. I guess
I don't know, maybe that makes me crazy, but I
feel like it got a little bit too It was
too different from kind of the BIP that we know
and love and became a little bit like a strategy show.
But it seems like nobody like signed up for a
(02:55):
strategy show. Like you were trying to force like a
survivor on people that seemingly were showing up to try
and find love and to try and to do those
two things at the same time. Kind of felt like,
what's happening? What are we doing? And it seemed like
the contestants for people or whatever, they maybe were thrown
(03:15):
off by that too much, and it kind of seemed
like it took away from I don't know, the their
experience and our experience of watching them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, I think we talked about like it was too
much change at once, Like it was some of the
changes were fun, like you're like you're at an all
inclusive cool that's like much better than a tent, but
also I kind of want Kat freaking out about a
bug at dinner. I want that the whole season. Yeah,
and and you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Actually a really good point. That's great.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's a great I'm like it was one of the
funniest moments of the season because she doesn't do well
in the woods, but she's not in the woods.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She's at an all inclusive resort.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Also, they're sharing rooms, so they're not all like girls
and guys, and so that was different. The Goldens were there,
they weren't bringing in people for as long, and so
basically it's like the rose ceremony is the same every
single week, right, and the voting was there was just
like I can appreciate what they were trying to do.
It was too much change at one time for me.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You couldn't agree more people coming in to do a
strategy show who weren't prepared to do a strategy show
and who don't strategize in general.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's just not a good it's not a good look.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, And I also think it makes it It makes
Bachelor look like they're desperate, which they are. Let's be honest,
they're very desperate for like a shift. I think if
they would have just done the new production style and
the resort and then like maybe next year enter in
something new, Like we needed some more, we needed some.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Step by step. I needed to be more subtle.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, And I'm thinking that maybe they're including the goldens
because the majority of their fan base when it first
started is now like in their thirties, and so thirty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
A lot of thirty year olds.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Some thirty year olds are, but some are not interested
in watching twenty year olds be idiots, and so they yeah, yeah,
me neither. But like so they're like, we got to
bring in these like older wiser sages who the scene
I don't I'm bad with names. The scene where the
older guy was like sitting with the three younger women
and he's like Keith was with Keith.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And they're like, you're like a dad.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I was like, although, okay, I like appreciated the golden
younger thing for like that minute. And so I was like, Okay,
that caught me as like a person in my thirties.
I'm not thirty yet but almost thirty with two kids.
I was like, okay, I can appreciate why like that
moment worked.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, and it kind of seemed like, yeah, that's I
haven't thought about that. The Goldens didn't seem like they
really were even like a part of it because they
kind of just got like booted off by the young people,
like one by one, and it didn't really seem like
they like they kind of seemed like a like a
secondary addition to the show and kind of seemed like
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they were caught in between are we here for love?
Are we here like for like exposition because Kathy just
like is good at, you know, doing a talking head.
Are we here to like be mentors? Are we here
to provide comic relief? Like they're just it didn't it
didn't seem like they really were like integrated into the
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actual experience. It kind of just seemed like they were
kind of thrown in there because they had these you know,
older Bachelor or Golden Bachelor Bacherette kind of contestants that
people knew, and they kind of didn't know what to
do with them. They kind of just threw them in
the mix back. I like that idea a lot. I
think they're they're there was that was a sweet moment,
and that felt like a spot where they could incorporate
(06:55):
the Golden Bachelor and Bachelorette people as sort of like
a mentor or as like, you know, bring a couple
in that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Are create a buddy system, yeah, or even like have
like a bring a couple of the Golden I.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Guess the Golden Bachelorette contestants which would be men, and
a couple of Golden Bachelor contestants which would be women
to sort of like kind of buddy along with the
guys and girls that are there and kind of play
the role that I guess maybe Hannah Brown was sort
of supposed to do where she was like there and helping,
but not really, I don't know, it was barely there.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, And that's why I think they bid off more
than they can chew. Like they tried to introduce so
many things that things got overlooked, things were forgotten, and
then like I love the Goldens, I mean, I love them,
but it didn't make sense for them to be there
for a strategy show if everyone's just going to vote
them off.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And if they would have been there for the strength thing,
I mean, what what are they going to do? What
are they going to do? There are arthritis, They're poor arthritis.
They would have just jumped in the water.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
They've been like forget this and like as much as
five hundred thousand dollars is great.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
One they lied, but two.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It doesn't really matter so much when you're like retired,
you know, It's like I'm not really chasing money. I'm
not really chasing fame right now. I'm just kind of
like having fun, which is why I like them there.
But if it was if there wasn't a competition, I
think it would make it like total.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Sense to have the Goldens there.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But because they're doing a competition, if they end up
doing a competition again next year, I think they should
either do two separate shows or or just no.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Goldens at all. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I don't think the Goldens make sense unless they're not
there for love and there for some other type of
like leadership mentorship type thing with the Yeah, or at
least like.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Not, I think the strategy didn't make sense with the Goldens.
Like I think if you remove the strategy aspect, you
remove like the trying to like sneak around and try
and get votes for people and sort of the things
that I would say are more like kind of survivor
ish or trader ish or these sorts of things that
are great shows but are just not not not not
(09:11):
bit and not sort of mentioned they're going on the
show for because then it kind of felt like this
weird like strategy some people wanted to do strategy like your.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Are like staying on and like making it a long time,
and they're like don't like each other?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, we gotta talk about we gotta
talk about Jonathan because I loved Jonathan on Gen season
and I still really like him. I think it's so
funny though, that he like he's painted out to be
some villain just because he didn't have a connection.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Like that is crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like he's on a he's on a beach with like
he has what three options because everyone's paired off, so
he's like three options slash new people and like what
are the chances you're going to meet three people and
be like I'm really into you, like you know.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Like the odds are just so low.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So people being like he didn't even like anyone, and
that's like makes him some bad guy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm like, bro, do we see him faking it? Do
we think that women are his primary interest?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Okay, good question, And everyone was thinking it because I'm
I'm gonna vote. No, it's my vote.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I think it's debatable and stuffly debatable because even on
gen season, like she totally friend zoned him and he
made it to the top three like they were bros.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They were bros. Yeah, which is wild that he made
it to the top three. Why has nobody talked about this?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I also clearly have a horrible grasp for judging who
is and who isn't considering I dated someone who was
for two years.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But we all could be. He could be.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, I will say I think the by like, I
have sympathy for Johnathan because if he's and I didn't
know that he's being vilified for staying on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But but y'all don't listen to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Sorry, sorry that I'll work. I'll take that as a
note for myself to work on it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do your homework.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He's incentivized to stay on the show because of the
five hunderd k you know, Like, but if you take
the traditional kind of Bachelor in Paradise format, which is
couple up or you go home right then you it
kind of helps him out. But in that sense, like
he's not going to be like, oh, I'll just leave
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when like in theory like him, like a lot of
those compatibility challenges, like you could do pretty well with
someone that you know pretty well but are romantically interested in,
Like it wasn't like yeah, like like you know which
you have conversations, you know the other person, you're talking
to them, you you know, like he's not an idiot,
like and neither is Leah. And so there's ways that
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you can kind of win show that aren't romantic and
that is like unfortunate for if he's being vilified for
that because he's kind of being being asked to do that.
Like it honest feels like the game show where the
competition was put on like on top of or like
kind of was more important than the love. Even though
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the finale they ended with a lot of love and
that's that's you know, that's great and that was like
touching and whatever, but it felt.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like he's like and I cried, but like whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'll never be the same. I mean when when when
Spencer in his talking head and the finale was like,
if she chooses love, I'll never well sorry, if she
chooses money, I'll never trust anyone ever again. That was heavy.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, because he also had been engaged before and she
cheated on him.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Did you know that about him? I didn't know she cheated.
I knew that he was engaged before, and I think
she cheated. Allegedly, she cheated. Allegedly.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Allegedly she cheated, and so if he but him and Jess,
like we all knew, we all knew they were gonna
get engaged.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They were like this from literally the first second. And
they're so cute. I love them.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, that was. They were really sweet together. They were
super lovely, Dobbie.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
She is a copy paste of Hannah Brown, truly.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, she definitely gets from Hannah Brown.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I wonder how weird that was when they did that
one one session with Hannah Brown where Hannah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Was like, tell me how you feel. I want to know.
Weird It is just like look in a mirror and
be like be like whoa hold up? But she talks
like she's just like she's Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Though, going back to that, I feel like if if
they had actually utilized her, it would have been a
good ad. But she was so pointless and I mean,
get your bad girl. If I'm Hannah, I'm like, yeah, sure,
I'll go even if I'm not on TV. You're gonna
pay me and I get to live at a resort.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
For three weeks. Sure, sure, Sure, But.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
People, I feel like they brought Hannah Brown on because
they wanted more viewers from like that era of The Bachelor,
which was the best era.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I means Kylo.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Pete, Tyler, Cameron, I mean Hannah b We got Colton,
I mean, all those seasons were iconic, and so I
think that's why they brought her on. However, they didn't
really utilize her. So if their point was to get
viewers from her era I mean, Phail, then you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Got them the first week and then you lost them
because they're like, she's not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She's not even doing anything.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And also I love Wells so much, but we need
to give him more screen time. Yeah, you agree, Like
he's such a he's such a great addition to that cast,
and they don't utilize him either, like he's.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Like it's silly.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And he also is like true Bachelor in Paradise, like
he is like the DNA of it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes, he's an OG.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And the funny thing is he never actually was in
contestant on Bachelor in Paradise. He just started as a
bartender because he's just a personality, so use his personality.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think I missed that bit aspect of
it where you would have a moment. It was short,
you know, little clips and previous seasons at Bachelor in Paradise,
but the moments where Wells kind of is that like
listening year behind the bar, talking to a guy, talking
to a girl, hey, like how's it going, or like
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you know, kind of trying to you know, converse with them,
console them, encourage them, be like hey, you know, maybe
go talk to her, kind of like being that sort
of friend. I feel like you missed that because it
just seemed like me maybe they shot it, just didn't
use it, but it just kind of seemed like the
only shots of Wells we saw were his talking heads
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where he was really funny, and then him just mixing
drinks behind the bar, which like you wouldn't anybody could,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
We got a couple of moments of it, though, like
when the whole Jammy thing happened, like he was like yeah,
he was like you know, you got Wells behind the
bar being like what are you? Like, of course they
should tell her like yeah, so, which I.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Wanted more of. Every time I hear from Wells, I'm like,
I want more from you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You are reasonable, and I want more talking heads from
Wells because he's hilarious and he says what everyone's thinking
and he's not afraid to like say something that might
be controversial, where like a lot of people in their itms,
they're like trying to say what they think is the
right thing to say for the television show. And he's like,
(16:38):
I don't care. Like I'm married to Sarah Hyland, I
don't need this money, you know, correct, correct, Like I'm
living on modern family empire. I don't need you. I
have residuals coming in every month for my wife. I
don't need this, So i' must say what I want
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, I can't blame him change.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I feel like I agree. I think there were too
many changes in my opinion. I think, Yeah, I just
felt like I liked the I liked the finale a lot.
I will say that definitely like to step up from
the previous episodes. Specifically, I liked the way they incorporated
the money a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
He loves a like money or love, Like that's gonna
get Grant every single time, me too?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Did you this is the model y'all are? Probably y'all are,
Probably I didn't. I guess I knew, but I didn't
realize y'all were younger than thirty. So were y'all not
around for Bachelor Pad?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That was way before your time. Yep, maybe aging myself,
but Bachelor Pad was before Bachelor in Paradise. So like
they did a game, they did a show where they
put everyone in the Bachelor mansion and it was like same,
similar style where it's like a bunch of different contestants
from past seasons and like they find love and there's
like games and st and stuff. But there was a
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cash prize at the end, and the whole point was
you either pick love or money. And so there was
definitely one season I remember. I think there were only
two total, two or three. It was so good though,
like why would they where one? Like you thought they
were legitimately in love and they get to the end
and he's like money, He's like obviously, and.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It was so iconic.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It was like, yeah, money, Like I've known this person
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Have you seen f Boy Island?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Okay, it's a nice really good one where like there's
money involved. You're like, you're really convinced that they're like
super in love.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You have f boys and you have.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Nice guys, and so like on their video interview that
they sit in before they come in the show, they're like,
I'm an F boy, I'm only here for the money.
Like they like straight up save it from the beginning,
and then as they're voted out, they get exposed as
either an F boy or a nice anything like that.
It's really it's really really good. So anyways, there's a
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money love thing at the very end of it. And
so when Grant found out on this one they were
doing that, he was like, oh, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm in for the money or love.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, the concept is great, It's just it should have
been introduced in a different way. However, the what I
fear is if they continue with this concept of like
money or love, people are gonna only come in. Like
it was kind of nice having these this cast member
not know, but that was an option because I do
think they genuinely started to form real relationships. And that's
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what we saw at the end, is like there's real
relationships out of this, and we always love to see
the love. But if people know now coming into Bachelor
in Paradise that money's an option, I just feel like
everyone's gonna come and be only focused on the money
and not really build relationships.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, And what Grant said earlier of like if Tree
bachelors like pair up or get voted out, you can't
really partner that with the strategy money thing, because no,
it can really only be about one Like it's like
you're gonna have people coming in looking to find love
slash get money from like the name and like whatever name,
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likeness image or something. Yeah, Or you're gonna have people
coming in thank you, or you're gonna have people coming
in just for the money and don't care about love.
And you're gonna have a Jonathan and Leah or Keith
and Cathy where they're just like partnering up as friends
and it's just kind of part of the gig. And
that is kind of divisive just in the nature of it,
because you've got a jessin Spencer and you've got an
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Alex and Andrew, which is a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
But like you we'll get into them, we'll get into there.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
But like you've got those couples that are like, no,
we're actually here for love, we actually care about the relationship,
and then you have other people who are just trying
to get in for the money.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I just like, you can't do both.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, no you can't, you really can't. Okay, let's get
into the couples. Thank you for starting that.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, my first question is if kat and Dale had
gotten to the end, do you think that.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He would have chosen love? Going now he would have
one hundred percent shows in the money. Yeah, he does not.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Let me tell you about something about Katt and Dale
that I think just personal opinions.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think they're not gonna make it. Let me tell
you that right now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Sure, I listened to Yes, I listened to podcasts on
Bachelor Nation and everything pop culture, and you were probably wondering,
how do you have time to be a mom, to
be a wife.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I make time. You go on walks.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I go on lots of walks, lots of walks, Like yesterday,
I walked like five miles just to watch summer. I
turn pretty with the kids to watch a Bachelor in
Paradise finale, which is two hours. But anyways, I listened
to a podcast yesterday of them on the Vile Files
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Nick Files podcast. Yeah, and it was just like a
going deeper with them as a couple and their experience
on Paradise, and like he just always sounds one so
indifferent about her, like he's just like sure, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna make it work. Like everything he says is
very just like an ism, like he knows it's good
(22:11):
for the camera or he knows it's good for an
im or for a podcast. But like she was saying
things they asked. They point blank asked them like are
y'all in love? Like do you love each other? Do
you say you love each other? And she was like yeah,
like so awkward. And then he was like, I mean
I said it on the show like I care and
love about I love and care about Kat. That it
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to me he is just working the vocabulary to like
kind of keep her hanging on, but really doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I was said a great last night like while we
were Will and I don't remember what Dale said, but
he said something and I was like he is so
well spoken.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's like kind of he's too good. He's too good, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He in every scenario just like said like just smooth
like butter whatever he says, just I'm like, you know,
and you're like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Think it feels inauthentic.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It feels inauthentic at some point you're just like and
Kat is the opposite, Like she says everything that she
thinks for good or for She's great TV.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
She's great TV, great TV.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, they just I just feel like he she annoys
him and they're gonna burst. I think at the end too,
if they would have made they were the final couple,
he would have he would have chosen money and she
would have chosen him.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's what do you think she would have chosen him?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think for her it's like the status of it all,
Like in her eyes. I think she's like, I got
the hottest guy on the beach for sure, and I
gotta lock it down and keep it, you know. Like
but maybe I'm just being super judgmental because I'm jaded.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
No, no, no, I think that's it's so makes sense.
It's also welcome. I also think though, that what's interesting
about it is, for at least for me, like it
felt like his speaking in the way he was acting
seemed really bless you god, bless calculated. It seems like
I don't mean that in a negative way, but it
was like kind of like he knew kind of what
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he was doing and why he was doing it, and
kind of the way it was going to be perceived and.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Not malicious, but calculated. Yeah, calculated.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I think that to me makes me think that
he wouldn't choose the money even if he really wanted to,
just because of how it would be perceived. I mean
maybe I called me old fashioned or whatever, but I
think that if he were to have chosen the money
and she chose love and they had that you know,
horrible emotional scene where Kad is you know, I'll never
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love again and she's losing her mind and understandably so
like great television, horrible for her well being in mental healthes,
but I think she's He would be the biggest villain
of You're right.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He doesn't want to be the bad guy. He doesn't
want to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I think like he it been and if fits him
more in the long term to be viewed positively then
to you know, take two hundred and fifty k or whatever,
which is a lot of money, and like I think
the cost of that would be super high on him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, something else that they mentioned on the podcast, which
I thought was just like really bold of them to
mention this, being that they're still in contracts, but they
were saying, like, you know, basically, Nick was just calling
out the fact that it's not actually five hundred thousand
dollars and not even like a before or after taxes thing,
just like it like at the end, it was like,
now you get one hundred and ninety thousand, and it's like,
(25:35):
what what is happening? Like, we're just gonna so so
Kat was like joking, She was like, yeah, I mean,
if you go back and watch it, Jesse's like, you
have the opportunity to possibly win five hundred thousand dollars.
She like kind of makes fun of it, and she's like,
we knew it was never going to be five hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Interesting, Yeah, I felt for Yeah, I felt hard too.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I was like, oh my god, it felt like some
some careful language when Jesse was speaking, which makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But that's always the case.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, thinking about it, like even Jess and Spencer, who
what they they're the ones that got one ninety or
something after taxes they get what like eighty five thousand?
Who knows, you know, and then they split it between
two people and it's just.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Like and Alex Andrew got one twenty five five, yeah,
after taxes twelve seventy literally and then at the end
in the text, it's like they've decided to pay off
Alex's student leans.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
By the way, Andrew and Alex, I'm obsessed with them,
you are, I am. I know you're going to disagree,
but that's going to be a healthy argument. When Andrew
was waiting for Alex to come around and she was
like taking her time and messing with him, he was genuinely,
I know, he was genuinely thinking, like I kind of
hope she takes the money to pay off her debt, Like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That was really sweet. That's insane to have that much debt.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And you know he's probably thinking, like, Okay, she gets
the money, she pays off her debt, and we still
date after this, like it's not the end of our relationship.
Because he's been around a time or two for these seasons.
He like knows the game, you know, what's.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
His like history. He was like, I don't have to
worry about money, and she does, like does he come?
I think he just doesn't have debt. I think he
just doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh yeah, she had six figure debt, which is I'm
sure insane, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, Okay, tell me your thoughts on them, because I
actually love them.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So we definitely think they like each other. I'll just
speak for me. I definitely think they like each other.
The I mean, she is painfully awkward, and I don't
remember her being painfully awkward on the first season that
she was on.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, she only got that one mall date where Grant
was awkward enough for all of us when he's saying
that freaking song on the TV on the piano on TV.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
To call out good call out. Yeah, that's true. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I felt like at the beginning of the season, like
the awkward thing, I was like, is this like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Is this just a like a thing that she's.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Like putting on to be like memorable or like if
it didn't feel genuine. But then at the end when
they she was like, you know, I'm not good at speeches,
and he was like, I knew this was going to
be awkward, Like that was really endearing to me. Of
like that to me was like they know each other.
They like, I will say that was one pro of them,
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like sharing rooms and being in the all inclusive resort
is they got a lot of offscreen time and so
I like they really actually knew each other way better.
The interactions at the end between jessin Spencer and between
Alex and Andrew. I was like, y'all have had conversations about
the future and moving and kids and that, like you
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didn't have on Paradise because you're in two different you know,
I mean still as Paradise you didn't have when they
were in the bush.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And so.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
With one day bed and like four barstools and like
bunk beds.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah you want to go to the day bed because
there's only one.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, So I know y'all don't listen to podcasts, but
you have to go listen to this podcast called The
rose Cast. It's these two males, two males that are
best friends. They're comedians and did you see the balloones?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think it's a thing on the computer like when you.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I know, when I do this, it doesn't that's pretty crazy.
You should watch on YouTube. This is a perk of it.
So anyways, they're these two male friends like in their
forties that are just like very dry, sarcastic recapping the episodes,
and one thing they always go back to is the
day beds.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They talk about those day beds so much.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They're like, I just don't understand why they're not, Like
I want to go chat on the day bed, Like
now we have things to do, like the we miss
the old paradise where it's like you just chat on
the day bed and drink. And that's just day bed
and drink. It was a lot really fun.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, So Alex and Andrew, I think they're cute. I
think they like each other. I think that they will
likely date and last for a while longer. She was like,
I would say, not great TV, like just like painful
to watch. And Andrew's just a sweety pie teddy bear,
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He's just so sweet. He's such a sweet pop. I
love him. It is.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I thought they were cute. I thought it was it
felt nice to have an alternative to either get engaged
or leave Paradise alone. Like they kind of seemed like
a normal kind of like couple where they kind of
like liked each other, like being around each other kind
of flirty, kind of awkward, endearing, and they would like
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have fun together, and it wasn't this thing where it's
like you need to get married on this beach after
sixteen days or your like life is over. Like it
seemed like had she picked them money, I think they
probably still would have been like, yeah, okay's like let's
pay off your debt and like let's go get a
cup of coffee off of the beach and like be
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normal people together. Like it didn't feel like it was
this like ultimatum moment of you're either together or 'or not,
because it seemed like they it didn't feel like an
inappropriate amount of investment in one another. Like it felt
like these two people that liked each other and liked
being around each other and you know, had this romantic interest.
But it wasn't oh my gosh, you know we have
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to we have to be married or have to do
this whole thing. Like it was just like, oh, we're
just dating for a little while, and we'll continue to
date and life kind of will go on. So I
actually kind of appreciated that as sort of an alternative
to how it has been I think.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Historically, which which might though if you think about production,
might be a con to them having time off camera
because it does take away from the drama because they
are able to have those conversations, Like I'm sure behind
the scenes he was probably like, listen, take the money.
If you want to take the money, to take the money,
and like I'll call you after I swear i'll call.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You after you where like they couldn't have that before.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So it did feel like life or death if someone
didn't propose at the end, because you really didn't know
what was coming where. I feel like all event probably
had discussions of like, this is what's going to happen tomorrow,
you know, and less talking.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The like a pro to.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Not having time off camera is you have to have
the really hard conversations on camera, right, and so you're
like arguing about who's moving where, and you're bringing up
stuff that you're like.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh, I can't believe she brought that up. You know,
Like which is better TV? Totally totally better TV.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I do think my what I enjoy most about, or
have enjoyed most about The Bachelor in Paradise is seeing
people that we have come to know through the Bachelor
or Bachelorette sort of franchise and seeing those relationships tested.
(33:03):
I think that is that, like the element that and
sort of why like the money aspect at the end,
because it's sort of much like you know a couple
that's on Bachelor in Paradise that they couple up, you know,
one gives a rose to the other person, and then
next week somebody comes on and it's like, okay, they
have to have that dilemma of are they going to
stay together or are they going to try and hop
(33:24):
and jump from one to the next, And so those
relationships are tested and that drama kind of ensues. Like
I liked that aspect of it a lot, and I
feel like we missed that when no one was coming
on or like the goldens were coming on or they're like, okay,
you know, no more people are going to be year
now it's a competition like there was There wasn't. I
didn't feel like they're really being tested all that much.
(33:45):
It felt like they were just continuing to date and
then having to do like these like quasi survivor challenges
that felt like kind of out of left field, and
then they had to kind of like like you know,
cat and pay for one another and say who they're
going to vote for, and totally in aside that voting
(34:06):
like thing made me so mad. I was just an
iPad on the camera roll and they act it was
literally on the photos app and the blip thing in
post and I mean that irritated me to no end, like.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It made him so mad.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
And the drama of the pass off of like don't
do that, just like like make it in paper or
make an app in three minutes, Like I don't know
how to make an app, but somebody can make an app, Like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Don't there Abc, they can make an app.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Watch that made me. Anyways, that kind of felt like
it took away from the like kind of will they
won't they sort of tension that would come in when Hey,
you know, Hannah and I are on the we're coupled up,
we're doing well, and all of a sudden, oh, this
guy comes in and you know it's the guy that
she really wanted to meet from before and they had
(34:56):
DMed on Instagram and I'm now freaking out because he
took her on a day. I'm like, oh gosh, Like
that is kind of the what Yeah, that's the drama
that made me want to be like oh gosh, like
what are they going to do? Because what I want
to So here's my Also my take on the Bachelor
in Paradise franchise in general is it to me feels
no different than watching sports see me in the comments.
(35:19):
But it's watching it's watching people who are human beings
but are in some way completely different than every person
you ever met in your entire life, whether it's super
athletic or they're like like just like have worked in
their bodies so much or whatever. These like unbelievably different
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people making decisions that frustrate us and make us yell
at the television as if we would make a better
decision in that scenario. And so like I'm either yelling
at a quarterback and I've never played football before, or
I'm yelling at Jonathan even though like I've never met
him nor will ever meet him, and he is completely
(36:02):
like there's a different person, Like he's like he's almost
like not real. He's like so whatever. And so I
want to see is like people making dumb decisions on television,
dumb according to my beliefs, and I want to yell
at them and say, how could you possibly pick her
over her? Idiot? That's the drama that I want from
(36:22):
watching this show. And the same kind of thing that
I think from watching sports or I'm like, hey, you
idiot quarterback, how could you possibly have thrown the ball
that way? I have no reason to have any knowledge,
like kind of the armchair expert sort of thing, like
I want to be an arm track expert and yell
at these people who make decisions that I think are stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
And you're not an expert in dating on Bachelor, I
have never.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Been a.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Wife, not through the.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Bachelor finds A wife finds a good thing.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But I I feel like we missed that, you know,
like I don't know how to date multiple people. But
it is nice to be in a position where you
can yell at the television when people make decisions that
are like how could you possibly give a rose to
that person?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know I love that because I feel seen and
justified in watching reality TV now, like it is a
sport for me.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It's a scripted just like I sports are.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I think if we had had the new production of
the show, new location, but same style, where you're still
bringing a new person in every week, coupled up, or
you leave no strategy introduced, no money introduced, if you
want to do the money versus left thing at the
(37:41):
very end. Okay, then there's repercussions for following seasons, but
it at least would have been really entertaining in the moment.
But if you still were bringing new people in, because
I think they brought people in for basically the first
half of the show, and then the second half it
was like so I think like new production, new location,
no goldens, no strategy, no money until the very.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
End, I think it would have been a really good
show even.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
If the Goldens were on there and there was no
game show, like that would be fine with me. But
bring each week, bring one Golden and one young person,
so it's not like alternating, because I felt like this
season was so choppy, from like bringing someone in to
like there was a row ceremony every three days, it
felt like, and typically it seemed like they at least
(38:28):
maybe they fooled me, but they did it one week
at a time. So at the end of the week,
after you've gone on a date and kind of flirted
with both on the day beds and like trying to
you know, figure out which relationship you want, then you
make a decision where this was like very much like cutthroat.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It was too fast, like Susie. Susie's the perfect example
of this. She came in. She's a star, like she
won her season. She's a star. She should have been
there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, she went on a date with Jeremy literally within
twelve hours of her being there. She came at night.
The next morning she went on a date with Jeremy.
That night was the rose ceremony. She said she was
there for twenty four hours. That's crazy, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
They needed to.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Have more time in between the date and the rose
ceremony ceremony for Jeremy to like explore both options and.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Kind of flirt it up with them.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
And then then when we're at the rose ceremony, we're
genuinely like, Who's Who's he gonna pick?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know, it's like more exciting for us. Yeah, I
just it was so choppy.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And I tell you what, the way I screamed at
the TV every single week when they did the stupid
handing out roses when all we cared about was who
was not getting a rose?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So like, I don't need to see the lineup.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Bill giving as well as the cut and Andrew and
just like all the people we know keeping kavvy, you know,
just to get to the end, like chop all that out,
give us some more day bedtime, and just tell us
who's getting voted out at the end.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I don't know how you do the It's why
I think you can't do strategy and the original like
BP process, Like you can't do both well because the
rose ceremonies were useless, like you there should have been
a different but like, but if you lose the Rose,
it's not bachelor to do it. But saying I was like,
(40:17):
just tell us who got voted out on that fake
photo app process.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
The way I did that ten second I utilized that
ten second button, like past fourteen seconds, ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I like never watched it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I was like, top, yeah, you're like okay, Diane, kat
Alex Andrew got I got it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I don't care what they say, all right, And then
the Golden gives her rose to Jonathan. Then that was
good television. That was a good television.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
They were alluding to it, but man, it was I
was like, I was like, no chance that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And then she did it and he was like he
was me so confused. It was such a good type.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
She got come home like next week too, Like that
was there were no goldens left. She literally got rid
of all the old guys, just keep Jonathan.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Jonathan got rid of two old guys and then she
was like.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like that next week, three golden couples were gone. So
it was like, so stupid of her, but.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
He has all left at the same time. Yeah, I
want to be seen.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
When the Gary.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Puts my soul left my body.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That needed to be a moment where production came in
and said we're going to reshoot, Like Gary, yeah, do that,
You're going to go home. We need goldens here for
a little bit longer. Yeah, don't be an idiot. No, No,
Gary was an idiot, and I think him and Leslie
are still together, which I did not see coming.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But in Gary's im, He's like, what have I done?
I do love Gary? I love.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I want to ask you what you thought about the
Sean Parliament uh ending where he like brings up the
cat thing and what do you think is true and
what do you think is not true?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
So I've heard a little bit of tea that like
they really are like besties in Florida, Like this is
not something that he was just saying about the show
just like that for me, you were Julia, Yeah, I
think I told you that at church one time, perfect
time and probably but okay, so maybe you but but okay,
(42:24):
if that is true, then she really did flip.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Like she just was like switching it on, switch it off.
I mean, I think his behavior was heinous, and I
think that he like I think that he was hurt people,
hurt people or whatever, you know. Like I think he
(42:47):
was just like embarrassed. She like, what's the word I'm
looking for, like not exposed him, but like humiliated him.
She humiliated him, and I think he felt him.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, yes, and so he's like, I'm gonna come back
in and I'm going to like cut out your throat.
Speaker 8 (43:04):
I feel like the the little amount of information that
we got on whether or not it was true to
me communicates that like it may have been somewhat true
about her computer and like the love letters and all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
But he and Alicia are just like I don't, like
I'm kind of out on them.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, their booty doo.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I think that there's I think that there's a little
truth to it. Tell me I'm wrong. There's a little
truth to it. And there's a little untruth to it.
I just wish like if this was a Bravo show
or a Netflix show or some other production company that
wasn't so like tailored as ABC, they would.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Have shown the receipts.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Like that's what I love about the messiness of Bravo
is like, oh, you're gonna say that she texted this person.
We're gonna literally find the text message, put in a screenshot,
and that's the next shot of the show. Like, if
it was true, I really wish Bachelor would have or
ABC would have leaned into it and been like, this
is the drama that we have been trying to find
all season and haven't been able to find.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah. Yeah, it would have been rough, and it would
have been great TV, such good TV.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I think that Cat probably was thinking, you know, I
made it so far in this season of finally, like
because it really was her redemption season from her last
time in Paradise, So I think she was thinking I
redeemed myself and then the final episode she gets that
thrown at her and she's probably just like that's why
she went off.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
She was just like I'm done.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I tried for.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
But I think that there's probably a little.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I think that Dale was probably so reasonable because he's
probably like, well, I was dating people before this too, right,
you know, Like I think it's kind of silly to
assume that everyone comes in with like some celibacy of
like never dated, never like done anything, just to find
the love of their life on paradise, Like your whole
life doesn't stop just because you go on a show.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Like, sure, maybe you find love, but I feel like
a prerequisite is that you have to be like dating people,
Like yeah, so to be like, were you dating people?
We literally all of us were. I'm single, I'm dating
people in Jesus name, Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I thought it like the way that it seemed with
Sean and Alicia, it felt like almost like scripted, like
it was so like and the way they were kind
of acting and talking like it. It didn't it didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Seem like under the comments, under the breath, It's just
like she didn't seem that's.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Not the only love letter that is that's being written.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I was like, what are you and like, maybe I
don't know, maybe they were like maybe I'm not understanding
it fully, but it just seemed like kind of it
didn't make sense with how like I think Sean felt humiliated.
I don't think I think his reaction was too strong,
Like I don't he asked her. He asked Cat, like,
do you think we're better friends than other people here?
(46:04):
And he acted like she said, I hate you. I
never want to talk to you again. Yeah, And there's
are very different things, and I think his response still
was like crazy too. But I think that brick kind
of takes me back to the point of, like, I
don't think he would have done that had there not
been five hundred k in the lot, right, So I
think the kind of the introduction of the money strategy,
(46:26):
like it became like, Okay, Sean and Alicia aren't getting
five hundred thousand dollars. Well, if I can't have it,
I'm going to take somebody down, versus like if the
end of this is just Dale and Cat get engaged
and then break up three months later, or like like
he has nothing to gain from that. And so it
feels like it didn't like we got this super strong
(46:46):
reaction as if he had been backstabbed or blindsided in
Survivor and he on the jury is his whole sole
purpose is to get this person back. Yeah, he was like,
this doesn't feel like it makes sense with a show
that is being presented as this is about like characters
that you love from previous seasons of a show coming
together and finding love together because they couldn't find love
(47:08):
the first time. Like that. That kind of the spirit
of what Bachelor in Paradise, at least for me, is that.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But season just loves it. It's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I do love it. I have said this time and
time again that for me, Bachelor and Bachelorette the whole
purpose of those two series for me is to introduce
me to characters that I like that don't win that
I get to see on Bachelor, Like that's what I want. Like, sure,
somebody wins Bachelor whatever, that's fine, Okay, I want to
(47:40):
see people that don't win, but I like kind of
fall in love with and begin like this personal. I
like Andrew a lot, I like Whoever a lot, and.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Except half of them, I'm like, you were never on
the show.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah it did. It did feel like some of the casters.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Spencer who's season one, he was on en season I
remember him that he didn't have any impact.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I don't remember him at all.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, So like that's what that to me felt like
we we didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, because I agree, I agree, go back to the basics.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, I think that the the Bachelor in Paradise truly
is the bread and butter of the Bachelor franchise, if
we're being honest, And I think that Bachelor got scared
because there's Love Island, there's Love is Blind. There's so
many reality shows that are just like completely dominating their ratings.
(48:37):
But we didn't have Bachelor in Paradise for two years,
so I think just the simple act of bringing Paradise
back back would have helped their ratings, But to make
it so confusing and over complicated was just too much
too soon.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Well, and we're in a new age of like these
shows that are dominating, they're not coming on TV every week.
They're on Netflix, where it's like eight episodes, you know,
and so it's a It also is kind of I mean,
I know it's not in a different category, but it's
kind of in a different category because of the way
that ABC has chosen to do it.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
It is pretty insane though that like old Bachelor seasons,
I'm talking to hand around Era, like they would get
off that show and they would have million followers minimum
a million.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, and now like Kat didn't even have a hundred thousand.
I think a crazy season.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, well I think maybe now she does, but like
the whole season she had like sixty to ninety thousand,
and then maybe now she has like one hundred and
twenty or something, but like nothing compared to other seasons
in the past. So I think they are realizing, like
we're just not that, we're not that girl anymore, and
they want to be that girl.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah. Love Island is that girl, I think right now. Yeah,
I didn't watch that, though I haven't either.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Surprisingly, I drew a line from a conviction standpoint at
Love Island. I had conviction towards it's a doctor. Well,
I watch the first thirty minutes of the first episode,
and it was literally girls and thong bikinis.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, slow mob.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Roll of them turning around and like tworking and shaking
it too.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, that's true. That is true music.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And that was like the whole first half of the episode.
And I'm thinking, our TV, you know, my house, our
TV's in the center. I'm watching on the TV and
we got those huge windows. The whole neighborhood's going to
see me watching tworking women in bikinis. That's just not
a good look for the neighborhood, for my spirituality, all
of it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, with an Easter sign in your front yard. Yeah,
like come to the bridge and here's hood of twerking
on silly Billy.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
And I don't have a lot of convictions when it
comes to television, so for me to be convicted, yeah,
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
May have started it and been like I don't think
this is it for me.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
And it's too many episodes. You have like four episodes
a week and they're all like an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Oh, it's a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be really lonely or bored.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, speaking of our episodes coming to an end, it's
eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
What a joy. This has been such a long it's
been a long time coming.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's Taylor Swift never heard of missing out. Seriously, so fun,
so fun, so fun. Thank you both for joining me,
for taking time out of your workday to do to
do something that makes us zero money but gives us
tons of joy.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
So much joy, best things in life for free.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Time Grant will talk about this show and share some
passion any day, anytime.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I'm kind of thinking that just in this, just listeners,
this is for you. In this season of life that
I'm in, it does feel so busy and hectic and
heavy all the time in real life that this does
feel like an escape for me. So I'm like, yeah,
I will still interview women and strangers you don't know
and hear their stories, but I think there's gonna be
more pop culture in the future, just because it really
(52:08):
is a fun escape for me from the other things
in life. So once Survivor comes back, we should have
y'all back on again and do one with Michael and
I and you and Hannah.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, Hannah and you one hundred percent we're in. I
can't wait to do it with Michael. Yeah. Michael.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
He's the most requested guests on the podcast, and he's
the one who rejects me the most. Come on, Michael,
such a freaking introvert. He has so much integrity it's stupid.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
It's my least favorite thing about him.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I can't I can't.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Well, he can have integrity and talk abouts a survivor veryay.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
We could just trick him, we tell him that we're
going like on a double date.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh, we could tell him this is like a zoom
Bible study and then just like totally flip the script,
he would join for a Bible study.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
This is great, that's cool, the old bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
He'll feel loved, he'll feel wanted. Correct, All right, Well,
I love you guys. Love to see you soon. Listeners.
I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
No idea what's coming next week, but something's coming and
I'll see you then.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Bye.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Everybody? Welcome back to Heart and Soul Podcast today.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
I am joined by the twos, the twos and only
Grant and Hannah Dunlap. How do you say that one
and only? It's not it's not one person, it's two.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What the flesh one fun one the one flesh and only.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
One flash, My dear friends, Grant and Hannah Dunlop. Welcome
to the podcast. It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Thank god. I know we finally read it. You know what,
I saved it for such a time as this, as
the scriptures say.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
The Bachelor in Paradise finale, but we need to talk
about the entire Bachelor in Paradise sees it?
Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yes we do, Yeah, we gotta get to it.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I really haven't been doing any serious episodes the last
three week because my life is consumed with seriousness. So
like when I come on the podcast, I want to
talk about summer, I turn pretty, I want to talk
about Taylor Swift's engagement, and I want to talk about
reality TV Bachelor in Paradise. So that's what we're doing
again this week for the third week in a row.
And Grant is one of the few men who watches
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Bachelor in Paradise, and he watches it with his wife
because one flesh and so I've been wanting to get
a man's perspective on the podcast for quite some time.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
And my husband doesn't watch TV and he hates being
on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
So I literally married the opposite of me. So we're
gonna talk about Bachelor in Paradise. Let's just go ahead
and start with what did you think about the new
style of bib Miriam you.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Go first, Yeah, I would say, I mean, for from
my perspective of things, I can appreciate what they were
trying to do. I can appreciate trying to change things up.
I can appreciate an effort to make it seem a
little bit more fresh. I think the reason why I watch,
(02:09):
other than the obvious being that my wife watches is yeah,
exactly lifelong fan, but no, the reason that I would
like to think it's entertaining to watch is the like
the silliness and the drama and the craziness and all
the things that I don't want in my own life
(02:31):
but are entertaining to watch in other's lives. I guess
I don't know, maybe that makes me crazy, but I
feel like it got a little bit too It was
too different from kind of the BIP that we know
and love and became a little bit like a strategy show.
But it seems like nobody like signed up for a
(02:55):
strategy show. Like you were trying to force like a
survivor on people that seemingly were showing up to try
and find love and to try and to do those
two things at the same time. Kind of felt like,
what's happening? What are we doing? And it seemed like
the contestants for people or whatever, they maybe were thrown
(03:15):
off by that too much, and it kind of seemed
like it took away from I don't know, the their
experience and our experience of watching them. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, I think we talked about like it was too
much change at once, Like it was some of the
changes were fun, like you're like you're at an all
inclusive cool that's like much better than a tent, but
also I kind of want Kat freaking out about a
bug at dinner. I want that the whole season. Yeah,
and and you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Actually a really good point. That's great.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
It's a great I'm like it was one of the
funniest moments of the season because she doesn't do well
in the woods, but she's not in the woods.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
She's at an all inclusive resort.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Also, they're sharing rooms, so they're not all like girls
and guys, and so that was different. The Goldens were there,
they weren't bringing in people for as long, and so
basically it's like the rose ceremony is the same every
single week, right, and the voting was there was just
like I can appreciate what they were trying to do.
It was too much change at one time for me.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
I agree. I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
You couldn't agree more people coming in to do a
strategy show who weren't prepared to do a strategy show
and who don't strategize in general.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
It's just not a good it's not a good look.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Yeah, And I also think it makes it It makes
Bachelor look like they're desperate, which they are. Let's be honest,
they're very desperate for like a shift. I think if
they would have just done the new production style and
the resort and then like maybe next year enter in
something new, Like we needed some more, we needed some.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Step by step. I needed to be more subtle.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
Yeah, And I'm thinking that maybe they're including the goldens
because the majority of their fan base when it first
started is now like in their thirties, and so thirty
year olds.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
A lot of thirty year olds.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Some thirty year olds are, but some are not interested
in watching twenty year olds be idiots, and so they yeah, yeah,
me neither. But like so they're like, we got to
bring in these like older wiser sages who the scene
I don't I'm bad with names. The scene where the
older guy was like sitting with the three younger women
and he's like Keith was with Keith.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
And they're like, you're like a dad.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I was like, although, okay, I like appreciated the golden
younger thing for like that minute. And so I was like, Okay,
that caught me as like a person in my thirties.
I'm not thirty yet but almost thirty with two kids.
I was like, okay, I can appreciate why like that
moment worked.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Yeah, and it kind of seemed like, yeah, that's I
haven't thought about that. The Goldens didn't seem like they
really were even like a part of it because they
kind of just got like booted off by the young people,
like one by one, and it didn't really seem like
they like they kind of seemed like a like a
secondary addition to the show and kind of seemed like
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they were caught in between are we here for love?
Are we here like for like exposition because Kathy just
like is good at, you know, doing a talking head.
Are we here to like be mentors? Are we here
to provide comic relief? Like they're just it didn't it
didn't seem like they really were like integrated into the
(06:32):
actual experience. It kind of just seemed like they were
kind of thrown in there because they had these you know,
older Bachelor or Golden Bachelor Bacherette kind of contestants that
people knew, and they kind of didn't know what to
do with them. They kind of just threw them in
the mix back. I like that idea a lot. I
think they're they're there was that was a sweet moment,
and that felt like a spot where they could incorporate
(06:55):
the Golden Bachelor and Bachelorette people as sort of like
a mentor or as like, you know, bring a couple
in that.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Are create a buddy system, yeah, or even like have
like a bring a couple of the Golden I.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Guess the Golden Bachelorette contestants which would be men, and
a couple of Golden Bachelor contestants which would be women
to sort of like kind of buddy along with the
guys and girls that are there and kind of play
the role that I guess maybe Hannah Brown was sort
of supposed to do where she was like there and helping,
but not really, I don't know, it was barely there.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, And that's why I think they bid off more
than they can chew. Like they tried to introduce so
many things that things got overlooked, things were forgotten, and
then like I love the Goldens, I mean, I love them,
but it didn't make sense for them to be there
for a strategy show if everyone's just going to vote
them off.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
And if they would have been there for the strength thing,
I mean, what what are they going to do? What
are they going to do? There are arthritis, They're poor arthritis.
They would have just jumped in the water.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
They've been like forget this and like as much as
five hundred thousand dollars is great.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
One they lied, but two.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It doesn't really matter so much when you're like retired,
you know, It's like I'm not really chasing money. I'm
not really chasing fame right now. I'm just kind of
like having fun, which is why I like them there.
But if it was if there wasn't a competition, I
think it would make it like total.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Sense to have the Goldens there.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
But because they're doing a competition, if they end up
doing a competition again next year, I think they should
either do two separate shows or or just no.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Goldens at all. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
I don't think the Goldens make sense unless they're not
there for love and there for some other type of
like leadership mentorship type thing with the Yeah, or at
least like.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Not, I think the strategy didn't make sense with the Goldens.
Like I think if you remove the strategy aspect, you
remove like the trying to like sneak around and try
and get votes for people and sort of the things
that I would say are more like kind of survivor
ish or trader ish or these sorts of things that
are great shows but are just not not not not
(09:11):
bit and not sort of mentioned they're going on the
show for because then it kind of felt like this
weird like strategy some people wanted to do strategy like your.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Are like staying on and like making it a long time,
and they're like don't like each other?
Speaker 5 (09:26):
Yeah, you know, yeah, we gotta talk about we gotta
talk about Jonathan because I loved Jonathan on Gen season
and I still really like him. I think it's so
funny though, that he like he's painted out to be
some villain just because he didn't have a connection.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Like that is crazy behavior.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
Like he's on a he's on a beach with like
he has what three options because everyone's paired off, so
he's like three options slash new people and like what
are the chances you're going to meet three people and
be like I'm really into you, like you know.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Like the odds are just so low.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So people being like he didn't even like anyone, and
that's like makes him some bad guy.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
I'm like, bro, do we see him faking it? Do
we think that women are his primary interest?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Okay, good question, And everyone was thinking it because I'm
I'm gonna vote. No, it's my vote.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I think it's debatable and stuffly debatable because even on
gen season, like she totally friend zoned him and he
made it to the top three like they were bros.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
They were bros. Yeah, which is wild that he made
it to the top three. Why has nobody talked about this?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
I also clearly have a horrible grasp for judging who
is and who isn't considering I dated someone who was
for two years.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
But we all could be. He could be.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, I will say I think the by like, I
have sympathy for Johnathan because if he's and I didn't
know that he's being vilified for staying on the show.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
But but y'all don't listen to the podcast.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Sorry, sorry that I'll work. I'll take that as a
note for myself to work on it.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do your homework.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
He's incentivized to stay on the show because of the
five hunderd k you know, Like, but if you take
the traditional kind of Bachelor in Paradise format, which is
couple up or you go home right then you it
kind of helps him out. But in that sense, like
he's not going to be like, oh, I'll just leave
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when like in theory like him, like a lot of
those compatibility challenges, like you could do pretty well with
someone that you know pretty well but are romantically interested in,
Like it wasn't like yeah, like like you know which
you have conversations, you know the other person, you're talking
to them, you you know, like he's not an idiot,
like and neither is Leah. And so there's ways that
(11:58):
you can kind of win show that aren't romantic and
that is like unfortunate for if he's being vilified for
that because he's kind of being being asked to do that.
Like it honest feels like the game show where the
competition was put on like on top of or like
kind of was more important than the love. Even though
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the finale they ended with a lot of love and
that's that's you know, that's great and that was like
touching and whatever, but it felt.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Like he's like and I cried, but like whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I'll never be the same. I mean when when when
Spencer in his talking head and the finale was like,
if she chooses love, I'll never well sorry, if she
chooses money, I'll never trust anyone ever again. That was heavy.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Well, because he also had been engaged before and she
cheated on him.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Did you know that about him? I didn't know she cheated.
I knew that he was engaged before, and I think
she cheated. Allegedly, she cheated. Allegedly.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Allegedly she cheated, and so if he but him and Jess,
like we all knew, we all knew they were gonna
get engaged.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
They were like this from literally the first second. And
they're so cute. I love them.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yeah, that was. They were really sweet together. They were
super lovely, Dobbie.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
She is a copy paste of Hannah Brown, truly.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, she definitely gets from Hannah Brown.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
I wonder how weird that was when they did that
one one session with Hannah Brown where Hannah.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Was like, tell me how you feel. I want to know.
Weird It is just like look in a mirror and
be like be like whoa hold up? But she talks
like she's just like she's Hannah Brown. Hannah Brown.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Though, going back to that, I feel like if if
they had actually utilized her, it would have been a
good ad. But she was so pointless and I mean,
get your bad girl. If I'm Hannah, I'm like, yeah, sure,
I'll go even if I'm not on TV. You're gonna
pay me and I get to live at a resort.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
For three weeks. Sure, sure, Sure, But.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
People, I feel like they brought Hannah Brown on because
they wanted more viewers from like that era of The Bachelor,
which was the best era.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I means Kylo.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Pete, Tyler, Cameron, I mean Hannah b We got Colton,
I mean, all those seasons were iconic, and so I
think that's why they brought her on. However, they didn't
really utilize her. So if their point was to get
viewers from her era I mean, Phail, then you.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Got them the first week and then you lost them
because they're like, she's not doing anything.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She's not even doing anything.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
And also I love Wells so much, but we need
to give him more screen time. Yeah, you agree, Like
he's such a he's such a great addition to that cast,
and they don't utilize him either, like he's.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Like it's silly.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
And he also is like true Bachelor in Paradise, like
he is like the DNA of it.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Yes, he's an OG.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
And the funny thing is he never actually was in
contestant on Bachelor in Paradise. He just started as a
bartender because he's just a personality, so use his personality.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
Yeah, yeah, I think I missed that bit aspect of
it where you would have a moment. It was short,
you know, little clips and previous seasons at Bachelor in Paradise,
but the moments where Wells kind of is that like
listening year behind the bar, talking to a guy, talking
to a girl, hey, like how's it going, or like
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you know, kind of trying to you know, converse with them,
console them, encourage them, be like hey, you know, maybe
go talk to her, kind of like being that sort
of friend. I feel like you missed that because it
just seemed like me maybe they shot it, just didn't
use it, but it just kind of seemed like the
only shots of Wells we saw were his talking heads
(15:55):
where he was really funny, and then him just mixing
drinks behind the bar, which like you wouldn't anybody could,
you know.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
We got a couple of moments of it, though, like
when the whole Jammy thing happened, like he was like yeah,
he was like you know, you got Wells behind the
bar being like what are you? Like, of course they
should tell her like yeah, so, which I.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Wanted more of. Every time I hear from Wells, I'm like,
I want more from you.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
You are reasonable, and I want more talking heads from
Wells because he's hilarious and he says what everyone's thinking
and he's not afraid to like say something that might
be controversial, where like a lot of people in their itms,
they're like trying to say what they think is the
right thing to say for the television show. And he's like,
(16:38):
I don't care. Like I'm married to Sarah Hyland, I
don't need this money, you know, correct, correct, Like I'm
living on modern family empire. I don't need you. I
have residuals coming in every month for my wife. I
don't need this, So i' must say what I want
to say.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, I can't blame him change.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I feel like I agree. I think there were too
many changes in my opinion. I think, Yeah, I just
felt like I liked the I liked the finale a lot.
I will say that definitely like to step up from
the previous episodes. Specifically, I liked the way they incorporated
the money a lot.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
He loves a like money or love, Like that's gonna
get Grant every single time, me too?
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Did you this is the model y'all are? Probably y'all are,
Probably I didn't. I guess I knew, but I didn't
realize y'all were younger than thirty. So were y'all not
around for Bachelor Pad?
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
That was way before your time. Yep, maybe aging myself,
but Bachelor Pad was before Bachelor in Paradise. So like
they did a game, they did a show where they
put everyone in the Bachelor mansion and it was like same,
similar style where it's like a bunch of different contestants
from past seasons and like they find love and there's
like games and st and stuff. But there was a
(18:01):
cash prize at the end, and the whole point was
you either pick love or money. And so there was
definitely one season I remember. I think there were only
two total, two or three. It was so good though,
like why would they where one? Like you thought they
were legitimately in love and they get to the end
and he's like money, He's like obviously, and.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
It was so iconic.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
It was like, yeah, money, Like I've known this person
for two weeks.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Have you seen f Boy Island?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
No?
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Okay, it's a nice really good one where like there's
money involved. You're like, you're really convinced that they're like
super in love.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
You have f boys and you have.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Nice guys, and so like on their video interview that
they sit in before they come in the show, they're like,
I'm an F boy, I'm only here for the money.
Like they like straight up save it from the beginning,
and then as they're voted out, they get exposed as
either an F boy or a nice anything like that.
It's really it's really really good. So anyways, there's a
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money love thing at the very end of it. And
so when Grant found out on this one they were
doing that, he was like, oh, I'm in.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I'm in for the money or love.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, the concept is great, It's just it should have
been introduced in a different way. However, the what I
fear is if they continue with this concept of like
money or love, people are gonna only come in. Like
it was kind of nice having these this cast member
not know, but that was an option because I do
think they genuinely started to form real relationships. And that's
(19:34):
what we saw at the end, is like there's real
relationships out of this, and we always love to see
the love. But if people know now coming into Bachelor
in Paradise that money's an option, I just feel like
everyone's gonna come and be only focused on the money
and not really build relationships.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well, And what Grant said earlier of like if Tree
bachelors like pair up or get voted out, you can't
really partner that with the strategy money thing, because no,
it can really only be about one Like it's like
you're gonna have people coming in looking to find love
slash get money from like the name and like whatever name,
(20:10):
likeness image or something. Yeah, Or you're gonna have people
coming in thank you, or you're gonna have people coming
in just for the money and don't care about love.
And you're gonna have a Jonathan and Leah or Keith
and Cathy where they're just like partnering up as friends
and it's just kind of part of the gig. And
that is kind of divisive just in the nature of it,
because you've got a jessin Spencer and you've got an
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Alex and Andrew, which is a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
But like you we'll get into them, we'll get into there.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
But like you've got those couples that are like, no,
we're actually here for love, we actually care about the relationship,
and then you have other people who are just trying
to get in for the money.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I just like, you can't do both.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, no you can't, you really can't. Okay, let's get
into the couples. Thank you for starting that.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Well, my first question is if kat and Dale had
gotten to the end, do you think that.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
He would have chosen love? Going now he would have
one hundred percent shows in the money. Yeah, he does not.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Let me tell you about something about Katt and Dale
that I think just personal opinions.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I think they're not gonna make it. Let me tell
you that right now.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Sure, I listened to Yes, I listened to podcasts on
Bachelor Nation and everything pop culture, and you were probably wondering,
how do you have time to be a mom, to
be a wife.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I make time. You go on walks.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
I go on lots of walks, lots of walks, Like yesterday,
I walked like five miles just to watch summer. I
turn pretty with the kids to watch a Bachelor in
Paradise finale, which is two hours. But anyways, I listened
to a podcast yesterday of them on the Vile Files
(21:51):
Nick Files podcast. Yeah, and it was just like a
going deeper with them as a couple and their experience
on Paradise, and like he just always sounds one so
indifferent about her, like he's just like sure, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna make it work. Like everything he says is
very just like an ism, like he knows it's good
(22:11):
for the camera or he knows it's good for an
im or for a podcast. But like she was saying
things they asked. They point blank asked them like are
y'all in love? Like do you love each other? Do
you say you love each other? And she was like yeah,
like so awkward. And then he was like, I mean
I said it on the show like I care and
love about I love and care about Kat. That it
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to me he is just working the vocabulary to like
kind of keep her hanging on, but really doesn't care.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
Well.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I was said a great last night like while we
were Will and I don't remember what Dale said, but
he said something and I was like he is so
well spoken.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's like kind of he's too good. He's too good, Like.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
He in every scenario just like said like just smooth
like butter whatever he says, just I'm like, you know,
and you're like, oh, I don't.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Think it feels inauthentic.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
It feels inauthentic at some point you're just like and
Kat is the opposite, Like she says everything that she
thinks for good or for She's great TV.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
She's great TV, great TV.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, they just I just feel like he she annoys
him and they're gonna burst. I think at the end too,
if they would have made they were the final couple,
he would have he would have chosen money and she
would have chosen him.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
That's what do you think she would have chosen him?
I think so.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think for her it's like the status of it all,
Like in her eyes. I think she's like, I got
the hottest guy on the beach for sure, and I
gotta lock it down and keep it, you know. Like
but maybe I'm just being super judgmental because I'm jaded.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
No, no, no, I think that's it's so makes sense.
It's also welcome. I also think though, that what's interesting
about it is, for at least for me, like it
felt like his speaking in the way he was acting
seemed really bless you god, bless calculated. It seems like
I don't mean that in a negative way, but it
was like kind of like he knew kind of what
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he was doing and why he was doing it, and
kind of the way it was going to be perceived and.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Not malicious, but calculated. Yeah, calculated.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
And I think that to me makes me think that
he wouldn't choose the money even if he really wanted to,
just because of how it would be perceived. I mean
maybe I called me old fashioned or whatever, but I
think that if he were to have chosen the money
and she chose love and they had that you know,
horrible emotional scene where Kad is you know, I'll never
(24:37):
love again and she's losing her mind and understandably so
like great television, horrible for her well being in mental healthes,
but I think she's He would be the biggest villain
of You're right.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
He doesn't want to be the bad guy. He doesn't
want to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I think like he it been and if fits him
more in the long term to be viewed positively then
to you know, take two hundred and fifty k or whatever,
which is a lot of money, and like I think
the cost of that would be super high on him.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, something else that they mentioned on the podcast, which
I thought was just like really bold of them to
mention this, being that they're still in contracts, but they
were saying, like, you know, basically, Nick was just calling
out the fact that it's not actually five hundred thousand
dollars and not even like a before or after taxes thing,
just like it like at the end, it was like,
now you get one hundred and ninety thousand, and it's like,
(25:35):
what what is happening? Like, we're just gonna so so
Kat was like joking, She was like, yeah, I mean,
if you go back and watch it, Jesse's like, you
have the opportunity to possibly win five hundred thousand dollars.
She like kind of makes fun of it, and she's like,
we knew it was never going to be five hundred
thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Interesting, Yeah, I felt for Yeah, I felt hard too.
Speaker 4 (25:56):
I was like, oh my god, it felt like some
some careful language when Jesse was speaking, which makes sense.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
But that's always the case.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, thinking about it, like even Jess and Spencer, who
what they they're the ones that got one ninety or
something after taxes they get what like eighty five thousand?
Who knows, you know, and then they split it between
two people and it's just.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
Like and Alex Andrew got one twenty five five, yeah,
after taxes twelve seventy literally and then at the end
in the text, it's like they've decided to pay off
Alex's student leans.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
By the way, Andrew and Alex, I'm obsessed with them,
you are, I am. I know you're going to disagree,
but that's going to be a healthy argument. When Andrew
was waiting for Alex to come around and she was
like taking her time and messing with him, he was genuinely,
I know, he was genuinely thinking, like I kind of
hope she takes the money to pay off her debt, Like.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
That was really sweet. That's insane to have that much debt.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
And you know he's probably thinking, like, Okay, she gets
the money, she pays off her debt, and we still
date after this, like it's not the end of our relationship.
Because he's been around a time or two for these seasons.
He like knows the game, you know, what's.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
His like history. He was like, I don't have to
worry about money, and she does, like does he come?
I think he just doesn't have debt. I think he
just doesn't have to.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Oh yeah, she had six figure debt, which is I'm
sure insane, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Yeah, Okay, tell me your thoughts on them, because I
actually love them.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So we definitely think they like each other. I'll just
speak for me. I definitely think they like each other.
The I mean, she is painfully awkward, and I don't
remember her being painfully awkward on the first season that
she was on.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Well, she only got that one mall date where Grant
was awkward enough for all of us when he's saying
that freaking song on the TV on the piano on TV.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
To call out good call out. Yeah, that's true. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
I felt like at the beginning of the season, like
the awkward thing, I was like, is this like.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Is this just a like a thing that she's.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Like putting on to be like memorable or like if
it didn't feel genuine. But then at the end when
they she was like, you know, I'm not good at speeches,
and he was like, I knew this was going to
be awkward, Like that was really endearing to me. Of
like that to me was like they know each other.
They like, I will say that was one pro of them,
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like sharing rooms and being in the all inclusive resort
is they got a lot of offscreen time and so
I like they really actually knew each other way better.
The interactions at the end between jessin Spencer and between
Alex and Andrew. I was like, y'all have had conversations about
the future and moving and kids and that, like you
(28:47):
didn't have on Paradise because you're in two different you know,
I mean still as Paradise you didn't have when they
were in the bush.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
And so.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
With one day bed and like four barstools and like
bunk beds.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah you want to go to the day bed because
there's only one.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Okay, So I know y'all don't listen to podcasts, but
you have to go listen to this podcast called The
rose Cast. It's these two males, two males that are
best friends. They're comedians and did you see the balloones?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think it's a thing on the computer like when you.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
I know, when I do this, it doesn't that's pretty crazy.
You should watch on YouTube. This is a perk of it.
So anyways, they're these two male friends like in their
forties that are just like very dry, sarcastic recapping the episodes,
and one thing they always go back to is the
day beds.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They talk about those day beds so much.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
They're like, I just don't understand why they're not, Like
I want to go chat on the day bed, Like
now we have things to do, like the we miss
the old paradise where it's like you just chat on
the day bed and drink. And that's just day bed
and drink. It was a lot really fun.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Yeah, So Alex and Andrew, I think they're cute. I
think they like each other. I think that they will
likely date and last for a while longer. She was like,
I would say, not great TV, like just like painful
to watch. And Andrew's just a sweety pie teddy bear,
you know, like.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
He's just so sweet. He's such a sweet pop. I
love him. It is.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
I thought they were cute. I thought it was it
felt nice to have an alternative to either get engaged
or leave Paradise alone. Like they kind of seemed like
a normal kind of like couple where they kind of
like liked each other, like being around each other kind
of flirty, kind of awkward, endearing, and they would like
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have fun together, and it wasn't this thing where it's
like you need to get married on this beach after
sixteen days or your like life is over. Like it
seemed like had she picked them money, I think they
probably still would have been like, yeah, okay's like let's
pay off your debt and like let's go get a
cup of coffee off of the beach and like be
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normal people together. Like it didn't feel like it was
this like ultimatum moment of you're either together or 'or not,
because it seemed like they it didn't feel like an
inappropriate amount of investment in one another. Like it felt
like these two people that liked each other and liked
being around each other and you know, had this romantic interest.
But it wasn't oh my gosh, you know we have
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to we have to be married or have to do
this whole thing. Like it was just like, oh, we're
just dating for a little while, and we'll continue to
date and life kind of will go on. So I
actually kind of appreciated that as sort of an alternative
to how it has been I think.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Historically, which which might though if you think about production,
might be a con to them having time off camera
because it does take away from the drama because they
are able to have those conversations, Like I'm sure behind
the scenes he was probably like, listen, take the money.
If you want to take the money, to take the money,
and like I'll call you after I swear i'll call.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
You after you where like they couldn't have that before.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
So it did feel like life or death if someone
didn't propose at the end, because you really didn't know
what was coming where. I feel like all event probably
had discussions of like, this is what's going to happen tomorrow,
you know, and less talking.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
The like a pro to.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Not having time off camera is you have to have
the really hard conversations on camera, right, and so you're
like arguing about who's moving where, and you're bringing up
stuff that you're like.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh, I can't believe she brought that up. You know,
Like which is better TV? Totally totally better TV.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
I do think my what I enjoy most about, or
have enjoyed most about The Bachelor in Paradise is seeing
people that we have come to know through the Bachelor
or Bachelorette sort of franchise and seeing those relationships tested.
(33:03):
I think that is that, like the element that and
sort of why like the money aspect at the end,
because it's sort of much like you know a couple
that's on Bachelor in Paradise that they couple up, you know,
one gives a rose to the other person, and then
next week somebody comes on and it's like, okay, they
have to have that dilemma of are they going to
stay together or are they going to try and hop
(33:24):
and jump from one to the next, And so those
relationships are tested and that drama kind of ensues. Like
I liked that aspect of it a lot, and I
feel like we missed that when no one was coming
on or like the goldens were coming on or they're like, okay,
you know, no more people are going to be year
now it's a competition like there was There wasn't. I
didn't feel like they're really being tested all that much.
(33:45):
It felt like they were just continuing to date and
then having to do like these like quasi survivor challenges
that felt like kind of out of left field, and
then they had to kind of like like you know,
cat and pay for one another and say who they're
going to vote for, and totally in aside that voting
(34:06):
like thing made me so mad. I was just an
iPad on the camera roll and they act it was
literally on the photos app and the blip thing in
post and I mean that irritated me to no end, like.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It made him so mad.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
And the drama of the pass off of like don't
do that, just like like make it in paper or
make an app in three minutes, Like I don't know
how to make an app, but somebody can make an app, Like.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
Don't there Abc, they can make an app.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Watch that made me. Anyways, that kind of felt like
it took away from the like kind of will they
won't they sort of tension that would come in when Hey,
you know, Hannah and I are on the we're coupled up,
we're doing well, and all of a sudden, oh, this
guy comes in and you know it's the guy that
she really wanted to meet from before and they had
(34:56):
DMed on Instagram and I'm now freaking out because he
took her on a day. I'm like, oh gosh, Like
that is kind of the what Yeah, that's the drama
that made me want to be like oh gosh, like
what are they going to do? Because what I want
to So here's my Also my take on the Bachelor
in Paradise franchise in general is it to me feels
no different than watching sports see me in the comments.
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But it's watching it's watching people who are human beings
but are in some way completely different than every person
you ever met in your entire life, whether it's super
athletic or they're like like just like have worked in
their bodies so much or whatever. These like unbelievably different
(35:41):
people making decisions that frustrate us and make us yell
at the television as if we would make a better
decision in that scenario. And so like I'm either yelling
at a quarterback and I've never played football before, or
I'm yelling at Jonathan even though like I've never met
him nor will ever meet him, and he is completely
(36:02):
like there's a different person, Like he's like he's almost
like not real. He's like so whatever. And so I
want to see is like people making dumb decisions on television,
dumb according to my beliefs, and I want to yell
at them and say, how could you possibly pick her
over her? Idiot? That's the drama that I want from
(36:22):
watching this show. And the same kind of thing that
I think from watching sports or I'm like, hey, you
idiot quarterback, how could you possibly have thrown the ball
that way? I have no reason to have any knowledge,
like kind of the armchair expert sort of thing, like
I want to be an arm track expert and yell
at these people who make decisions that I think are stupid.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
And you're not an expert in dating on Bachelor, I
have never.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Been a.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
Wife, not through the.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Bachelor finds A wife finds a good thing.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But I I feel like we missed that, you know,
like I don't know how to date multiple people. But
it is nice to be in a position where you
can yell at the television when people make decisions that
are like how could you possibly give a rose to
that person?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
You know I love that because I feel seen and
justified in watching reality TV now, like it is a
sport for me.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
It's a scripted just like I sports are.
Speaker 3 (37:20):
I think if we had had the new production of
the show, new location, but same style, where you're still
bringing a new person in every week, coupled up, or
you leave no strategy introduced, no money introduced, if you
want to do the money versus left thing at the
(37:41):
very end. Okay, then there's repercussions for following seasons, but
it at least would have been really entertaining in the moment.
But if you still were bringing new people in, because
I think they brought people in for basically the first
half of the show, and then the second half it
was like so I think like new production, new location,
no goldens, no strategy, no money until the very.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
End, I think it would have been a really good
show even.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
If the Goldens were on there and there was no
game show, like that would be fine with me. But
bring each week, bring one Golden and one young person,
so it's not like alternating, because I felt like this
season was so choppy, from like bringing someone in to
like there was a row ceremony every three days, it
felt like, and typically it seemed like they at least
(38:28):
maybe they fooled me, but they did it one week
at a time. So at the end of the week,
after you've gone on a date and kind of flirted
with both on the day beds and like trying to
you know, figure out which relationship you want, then you
make a decision where this was like very much like cutthroat.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
It was too fast, like Susie. Susie's the perfect example
of this. She came in. She's a star, like she
won her season. She's a star. She should have been
there the whole time.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, she went on a date with Jeremy literally within
twelve hours of her being there. She came at night.
The next morning she went on a date with Jeremy.
That night was the rose ceremony. She said she was
there for twenty four hours. That's crazy, that's insane.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
They needed to.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Have more time in between the date and the rose
ceremony ceremony for Jeremy to like explore both options and.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Kind of flirt it up with them.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
And then then when we're at the rose ceremony, we're
genuinely like, Who's Who's he gonna pick?
Speaker 2 (39:23):
You know, it's like more exciting for us. Yeah, I
just it was so choppy.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And I tell you what, the way I screamed at
the TV every single week when they did the stupid
handing out roses when all we cared about was who
was not getting a rose?
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So like, I don't need to see the lineup.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
Bill giving as well as the cut and Andrew and
just like all the people we know keeping kavvy, you know,
just to get to the end, like chop all that out,
give us some more day bedtime, and just tell us
who's getting voted out at the end.
Speaker 3 (39:54):
Yeah, I don't know how you do the It's why
I think you can't do strategy and the original like
BP process, Like you can't do both well because the
rose ceremonies were useless, like you there should have been
a different but like, but if you lose the Rose,
it's not bachelor to do it. But saying I was like,
(40:17):
just tell us who got voted out on that fake
photo app process.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
The way I did that ten second I utilized that
ten second button, like past fourteen seconds, ten seconds.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
I like never watched it.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
I was like, top, yeah, you're like okay, Diane, kat
Alex Andrew got I got it.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I don't care what they say, all right, And then
the Golden gives her rose to Jonathan. Then that was
good television. That was a good television.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
They were alluding to it, but man, it was I
was like, I was like, no chance that's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
And then she did it and he was like he
was me so confused. It was such a good type.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
She got come home like next week too, Like that
was there were no goldens left. She literally got rid
of all the old guys, just keep Jonathan.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Jonathan got rid of two old guys and then she
was like.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Like that next week, three golden couples were gone. So
it was like, so stupid of her, but.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
He has all left at the same time. Yeah, I
want to be seen.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
When the Gary.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
Puts my soul left my body.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That needed to be a moment where production came in
and said we're going to reshoot, Like Gary, yeah, do that,
You're going to go home. We need goldens here for
a little bit longer. Yeah, don't be an idiot. No, No,
Gary was an idiot, and I think him and Leslie
are still together, which I did not see coming.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
But in Gary's im, He's like, what have I done?
I do love Gary? I love.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
I want to ask you what you thought about the
Sean Parliament uh ending where he like brings up the
cat thing and what do you think is true and
what do you think is not true?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (42:01):
So I've heard a little bit of tea that like
they really are like besties in Florida, Like this is
not something that he was just saying about the show
just like that for me, you were Julia, Yeah, I
think I told you that at church one time, perfect
time and probably but okay, so maybe you but but okay,
(42:24):
if that is true, then she really did flip.
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Like she just was like switching it on, switch it off.
I mean, I think his behavior was heinous, and I
think that he like I think that he was hurt people,
hurt people or whatever, you know. Like I think he
(42:47):
was just like embarrassed. She like, what's the word I'm
looking for, like not exposed him, but like humiliated him.
She humiliated him, and I think he felt him.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Yeah, yes, and so he's like, I'm gonna come back
in and I'm going to like cut out your throat.
Speaker 8 (43:04):
I feel like the the little amount of information that
we got on whether or not it was true to
me communicates that like it may have been somewhat true
about her computer and like the love letters and all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
But he and Alicia are just like I don't, like
I'm kind of out on them.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, their booty doo.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
I think that there's I think that there's a little
truth to it. Tell me I'm wrong. There's a little
truth to it. And there's a little untruth to it.
I just wish like if this was a Bravo show
or a Netflix show or some other production company that
wasn't so like tailored as ABC, they would.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Have shown the receipts.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Like that's what I love about the messiness of Bravo
is like, oh, you're gonna say that she texted this person.
We're gonna literally find the text message, put in a screenshot,
and that's the next shot of the show. Like, if
it was true, I really wish Bachelor would have or
ABC would have leaned into it and been like, this
is the drama that we have been trying to find
all season and haven't been able to find.
Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah. Yeah, it would have been rough, and it would
have been great TV, such good TV.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
I think that Cat probably was thinking, you know, I
made it so far in this season of finally, like
because it really was her redemption season from her last
time in Paradise, So I think she was thinking I
redeemed myself and then the final episode she gets that
thrown at her and she's probably just like that's why
she went off.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
She was just like I'm done.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I tried for.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
But I think that there's probably a little.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
I think that Dale was probably so reasonable because he's
probably like, well, I was dating people before this too, right,
you know, Like I think it's kind of silly to
assume that everyone comes in with like some celibacy of
like never dated, never like done anything, just to find
the love of their life on paradise, Like your whole
life doesn't stop just because you go on a show.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
Like, sure, maybe you find love, but I feel like
a prerequisite is that you have to be like dating people,
Like yeah, so to be like, were you dating people?
We literally all of us were. I'm single, I'm dating
people in Jesus name, Yeah, what do you think?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (45:17):
I thought it like the way that it seemed with
Sean and Alicia, it felt like almost like scripted, like
it was so like and the way they were kind
of acting and talking like it. It didn't it didn't.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Seem like under the comments, under the breath, It's just
like she didn't seem that's.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Not the only love letter that is that's being written.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
I was like, what are you and like, maybe I
don't know, maybe they were like maybe I'm not understanding
it fully, but it just seemed like kind of it
didn't make sense with how like I think Sean felt humiliated.
I don't think I think his reaction was too strong,
Like I don't he asked her. He asked Cat, like,
do you think we're better friends than other people here?
(46:04):
And he acted like she said, I hate you. I
never want to talk to you again. Yeah, And there's
are very different things, and I think his response still
was like crazy too. But I think that brick kind
of takes me back to the point of, like, I
don't think he would have done that had there not
been five hundred k in the lot, right, So I
think the kind of the introduction of the money strategy,
(46:26):
like it became like, Okay, Sean and Alicia aren't getting
five hundred thousand dollars. Well, if I can't have it,
I'm going to take somebody down, versus like if the
end of this is just Dale and Cat get engaged
and then break up three months later, or like like
he has nothing to gain from that. And so it
feels like it didn't like we got this super strong
(46:46):
reaction as if he had been backstabbed or blindsided in
Survivor and he on the jury is his whole sole
purpose is to get this person back. Yeah, he was like,
this doesn't feel like it makes sense with a show
that is being presented as this is about like characters
that you love from previous seasons of a show coming
together and finding love together because they couldn't find love
(47:08):
the first time. Like that. That kind of the spirit
of what Bachelor in Paradise, at least for me, is that.
Speaker 2 (47:15):
But season just loves it. It's really sweet.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
I do love it. I have said this time and
time again that for me, Bachelor and Bachelorette the whole
purpose of those two series for me is to introduce
me to characters that I like that don't win that
I get to see on Bachelor, Like that's what I want. Like, sure,
somebody wins Bachelor whatever, that's fine, Okay, I want to
(47:40):
see people that don't win, but I like kind of
fall in love with and begin like this personal. I
like Andrew a lot, I like Whoever a lot, and.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
Except half of them, I'm like, you were never on
the show.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah it did. It did feel like some of the casters.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Spencer who's season one, he was on en season I
remember him that he didn't have any impact.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
I don't remember him at all.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Yeah, So like that's what that to me felt like
we we didn't get that.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
Yeah, because I agree, I agree, go back to the basics.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, I think that the the Bachelor in Paradise truly
is the bread and butter of the Bachelor franchise, if
we're being honest, And I think that Bachelor got scared
because there's Love Island, there's Love is Blind. There's so
many reality shows that are just like completely dominating their ratings.
(48:37):
But we didn't have Bachelor in Paradise for two years,
so I think just the simple act of bringing Paradise
back back would have helped their ratings, But to make
it so confusing and over complicated was just too much
too soon.
Speaker 3 (48:50):
Well, and we're in a new age of like these
shows that are dominating, they're not coming on TV every week.
They're on Netflix, where it's like eight episodes, you know,
and so it's a It also is kind of I mean,
I know it's not in a different category, but it's
kind of in a different category because of the way
that ABC has chosen to do it.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
It is pretty insane though that like old Bachelor seasons,
I'm talking to hand around Era, like they would get
off that show and they would have million followers minimum
a million.
Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, and now like Kat didn't even have a hundred thousand.
I think a crazy season.
Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah, well I think maybe now she does, but like
the whole season she had like sixty to ninety thousand,
and then maybe now she has like one hundred and
twenty or something, but like nothing compared to other seasons
in the past. So I think they are realizing, like
we're just not that, we're not that girl anymore, and
they want to be that girl.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Yeah. Love Island is that girl, I think right now. Yeah,
I didn't watch that, though I haven't either.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Surprisingly, I drew a line from a conviction standpoint at
Love Island. I had conviction towards it's a doctor. Well,
I watch the first thirty minutes of the first episode,
and it was literally girls and thong bikinis.
Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, slow mob.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
Roll of them turning around and like tworking and shaking
it too.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, that's true. That is true music.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
And that was like the whole first half of the episode.
And I'm thinking, our TV, you know, my house, our
TV's in the center. I'm watching on the TV and
we got those huge windows. The whole neighborhood's going to
see me watching tworking women in bikinis. That's just not
a good look for the neighborhood, for my spirituality, all
of it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah, with an Easter sign in your front yard. Yeah,
like come to the bridge and here's hood of twerking
on silly Billy.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
And I don't have a lot of convictions when it
comes to television, so for me to be convicted, yeah,
I feel like I.
Speaker 2 (50:54):
May have started it and been like I don't think
this is it for me.
Speaker 1 (50:58):
And it's too many episodes. You have like four episodes
a week and they're all like an hour and a half.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Oh, it's a lot of content.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, yeah, you gotta be really lonely or bored.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, speaking of our episodes coming to an end, it's
eleven thirty.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
What a joy. This has been such a long it's
been a long time coming.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
That's Taylor Swift never heard of missing out. Seriously, so fun,
so fun, so fun. Thank you both for joining me,
for taking time out of your workday to do to
do something that makes us zero money but gives us
tons of joy.
Speaker 4 (51:34):
So much joy, best things in life for free.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
Time Grant will talk about this show and share some
passion any day, anytime.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I'm kind of thinking that just in this, just listeners,
this is for you. In this season of life that
I'm in, it does feel so busy and hectic and
heavy all the time in real life that this does
feel like an escape for me. So I'm like, yeah,
I will still interview women and strangers you don't know
and hear their stories, but I think there's gonna be
more pop culture in the future, just because it really
(52:08):
is a fun escape for me from the other things
in life. So once Survivor comes back, we should have
y'all back on again and do one with Michael and
I and you and Hannah.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Yeah, Hannah and you one hundred percent we're in. I
can't wait to do it with Michael. Yeah. Michael.
Speaker 1 (52:28):
He's the most requested guests on the podcast, and he's
the one who rejects me the most. Come on, Michael,
such a freaking introvert. He has so much integrity it's stupid.
Speaker 4 (52:38):
It's my least favorite thing about him.
Speaker 2 (52:40):
I can't I can't.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
Well, he can have integrity and talk abouts a survivor veryay.
Speaker 4 (52:49):
We could just trick him, we tell him that we're
going like on a double date.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
Oh, we could tell him this is like a zoom
Bible study and then just like totally flip the script,
he would join for a Bible study.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
This is great, that's cool, the old bait and switch.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
He'll feel loved, he'll feel wanted. Correct, All right, Well,
I love you guys. Love to see you soon. Listeners.
I love you so much.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
No idea what's coming next week, but something's coming and
I'll see you then.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Thanks for listening to Heart and Souls. If this episode
encouraged you in any way, please leave a review on
Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2 (53:32):
Talk to you next week.
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