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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to the Heart and Soul Podcast with Catherine Banco.
I'm on a mission to celebrate breakthrough, empowerment and shameless
living in the lives of women everywhere. Join me and
let's live unashamed together.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to Heart and Soul.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I'm joined by your favorite honorary co host, the one
and only Macy Cole.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Welcome back, Mace.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Thank you so much. I as always, I'm so glad
to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Okay, so you have not been on the pod since
the beginning. I think you were the first episode of
this year, and we recapped twenty twenty one and maybe
twenty twenty, so catch the listeners up on what you
have been up to this year.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It has been a very busy year, as life just
seems to continue to fold as we get older. But
we actually expanded into an additional space next to the
studio and Troy built his gym there, so now we
have it's still his little space down at the beach,
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and then a bigger space next to the studio, and
then we ended up expanding both of our studio rooms,
and then we ended up opening a smoothe bar, so
lots of things, and actually we thought we were done
with the expansion, and next week we start our hopefully
final expansion of soundproofing the fitness facility.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
So oh my gosh, there's more.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
There's more. There's always something. But the space looks amazing.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It's like it's so unbelievable, and I have found myself.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
This morning I.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Had a small opportunity to just sit with the Lord
and really reflect on just how life has unfolded. And
I've been doing one hundred Days of Believing Bigger, which
if you have never done that Bible study, I highly
recommend it. And she also writes a follow up book
that is so profound. And I got done with my
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first Bible study of one hundred Days of Beleeving Bigger,
and God told me to do it again.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I was gonna say, I think that we did talk
about this the last time you're on.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
We probably did.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
And it's really profound, because every single day is like
a prompt. And so I bought a second book and
did it. And today I was writing the answered prayers
of all these things that my heart had been longing
for for so long. And what I do is I
look back at that same day the last time I
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did it, and it was ironically October fourth, so ten four,
which was almost a year ago to the day, And
of course I had no idea what I wrote almost
a year ago, and all of the things that were
prayer requests on that day were basically what I had
written as answered prayers today.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And I saw this date and it was ten to four,
and it was like God was like, Roger.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That and I was, yeah, Roger that yah.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
And so it was just.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
A great reminder of how faithful God is. And I
say that from the standpoint of like we have really
been through some crazy stuff. Even this past year has
been really intense, even like two weeks ago I lost
one of my fur babies and it was like a
very kind of traumatic thing. And even as we speak
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right now, my mom is actually in boone with her parents.
My papa is one hundred he's going to be one
hundred and one on October first. But yesterday he had
Mammal call and say, you know, Linda probably needs to
come home, Like I think some transitions could be taking place,
And even amidst like how difficult that is because we've
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always talked as a family, like what that's going to
be like when he transitions onto the Lord. There's like
an inner peace within me right now, and it just
kind of shows that God's faithfulness and the journey that
He takes us on is beyond anything we could ever imagine.
And we will inevitably endure pain and heartbreak and heartache
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and challenges and questions. But if we continue to press
into what God is trying to reveal to us on
the deepest layer, the blessings that He then returns to
us through our willingness to walk through the shadow of
the valley of death.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
You know, and fear no evil.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
You become this thing that is fearless because you've known
what it is to be consumed by fear, and you've
watched Him redeem the thing that was your anguish become
your joy. And it's said, that's kind of been what
this year has has been in a nutshell, is really challenging.
Circumstances that have surfaced over the course of these last
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ten years and then five years and then two years
have now come full circle and He has revealed to
me miracles and made things whole that I thought would
be eternally broken. And then even in the challenges of
things like loss and grief and not understanding why things
work the way that they do. God has given me
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this renewed peace and faith that literally every single thing
in the course of my life and collectively our life
is always working for our greater good, even if it
seems like there could be no good to ever come
from it.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
This is why I love having you on the podcast,
because I could feel like how's work and we go
straight into the real talk. And that's why I love
having you on the podcast, and I love having you
as a friend. And I'm so I First I want
to say, I'm so sorry about your grandpa. I know
how like close that's your family is, and also how
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your genuine relationship with him.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
So it's just.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Hard no matter how old or how much life you've lived,
or even if you know exactly where.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
You're going, it just sucks.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So I'm I'm really sorry that that's like beginning to happen.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
But and I also want to.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Resurface the part you said about God's faithfulness, where like you,
it was almost exactly a year ago on the fourth
of October when you were asking for these prayers and
then seeing his goodness come through. And I was just
talking with some I don't even know who with someone
last week about how like every day kind of sometimes
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feels monotonous and like nothing's happening, or you're kind of
stuck in the same spot. But if you really take
a second to like take a step back and reflect
on just even a year ago, where you're at, or
all that you've learned, or all that all the shitty
and all the good that's happened, you really can see
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like a bird's eye view of like all that God
is doing.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, Macy's frozen.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Right now, Macy, you know what the Lord was or sorry,
not the Lord. The end of me was trying to
get in the way my messing.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Up our internet. But the Lord will prevail, not today, Satan,
not today Satan.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
No.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
But what I was saying before technology screwed up was
I was, you know, you think that your day or
your life is so monotonous and you can't see like
what God is doing, And then you'll take a second
to pause and look back on this day a year
ago and where you were at. And that's why journaling
is so cool, even though I suck at journaling, but
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it's cool to like reflect on where you were and see,
oh my gosh, God actually was doing so much in
the little the day to day and the small moments
of the day to day.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
And I think it's so powerful that you say the
small moments, because what I've come to realize is those
small moments are little blocks that build out our entire life. Yeah,
so every single moment we are faced with questions or options,
right decisions ultimately, and it's those small decisions that we
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make moment by moment that end up shaping the course
of our whole life. And what's so cool is like,
sometimes it can feel like it's the enemy trying to
attack us or divide us. And what I've come to
realize is there's really only two energies in this world
is unifying and dividing energy. And some things are here
to divide and other things are here to unify. But
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that dividing energy ultimately makes unification stronger because it takes
one thing and divides it into two things, and then
those two things are forced to get stronger on their own,
but eventually they come back together even stronger than they
were before, which is like what building muscle is basically, you.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Are just another level of mic drops.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I'm telling you, I'm me, Catherine.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
I'm That's what it is.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
That might be the title of the episode is just
like unification and division, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Or something like that.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I don't know. We'll talk about that later. But I well, one,
you just talked about muscles.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And I'm really good at podcast transitions.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But but did you know that Michael and Troy were
on the phone together last night for like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
That's actually crazy too, because I know neither one of
them will talk on the phone for more than like
two minutes unless it's with each other.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Yeah, So I thought I heard you in the background
because at one point Michael was on speaker phone and
I'm like sitting next to him, and I'm like thinking
to myself, hmm, I haven't seen you all weekend because
I had like a girlfriend in town and he calls Troy.
So I thought I heard you in the background. I
almost text you and was like, what you doing? Like
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we're just like laying in bed next to our husbands
who are actually boyfriends with each other. No, Michael was
talking to Troy about like what he thought was like
a pulled muscle in his back, and it actually was
like or he actually thinks it might be like a
deeper injury. And I was thinking about that and just
everything that you were saying. How like sometimes we think
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that we just have a pulled muscles, so we keep
like in life, like we think that something's just like
a baby thing, so we can compounding on that like
repetitiveness of doing the same thing or trusting the same
lie or whatnot, and then before we know it, like
there's a real life injury in there. So like the
day to day really is so important because you don't
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realize that you're either you know, dividing or unifying until
it's almost like too late, or it breaks until it's
until it breaks until it's too far gone. And that's
not to say there's always room for redemption, always room
for healing, but it's like cool to reflect on the
day to day to see like hmm, like if I
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were to focus and pause and be in this moment,
then I can stop that division from happening and like
fight it head on right now.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
That's right, And also like kind of to your point,
and this is why I love you, Catherine, I'm just
so grateful that you're willing to go to those deeper places,
but you do so in such a way that keeps
things light and playful and lighthearted while still continuing to
go deeper and deeper. And I'm so grateful for that
and so appreciative of that, because I think these are
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important topics to cover, and we can go from like
talking about these deep things to like, you know, what
do you think about Kim Kardashian's new pajama obsession? And
it's like totally normal.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, that's see, that's that's so funny that you bring
that up, because that has been an insecurity of mine
that I didn't realize I was insecure about for a while. Like,
and I just brought this up two weeks ago with
my Bible study about how like I would do a
lot of comparing myself in my not not like a
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physical comparison, which we're all prone to do, but like
a spiritual comparison of like, I'm not as deep as
this person, therefore I'm not spiritual or as connected with God.
And I used to do that a lot with people
who like went to church with me. I would like,
you know, we'd be worshiping on a Sunday, and I
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would see someone worshiping, thinking like I'm not connecting with
God like that, therefore I don't.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Connect with God.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
And like at camp, as a camp counselor, I used
to always be like the fun camp counselor, not the
ones that the kid went the kids went to to
like for deep conversations, but more so to laugh. And
I used to really let that like be a negative
and literally until like two weeks ago, I finally like
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was trying. I was like praying through it, and I
just like let it go. At Bible study, like I
think that I have let a lot of like bitterness
in comparison that stems from jealousy like stop me from
seeing who God created me to be, which.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Like it's okay if.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I'm more lighthearted, or it's okay if like I'm the
comic relief, the fun camp counselor, because that kid maybe
needs that in that moment. And like Jesus laughed, Jesus
probably was funny. Jesus made people laugh, and like I
just think about like how he would have interacted with
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people while he was on earth, and I'm sure it
went from serious to fun to sarcastic, to like all
of it. So I just had this like epiphany recently
where I was like, I'm not gonna let that be
something that defines me in a.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Negative sense anymore.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I'm instead just gonna like live into like this part
of me.
Speaker 4 (14:36):
And that's so beautiful, Catherine.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
And it's funny because sometimes I get like sick of
the fact that I think so deep in all that
kind of stuff, and I crave being around people like
you because you are so lighthearted, but in your lightheartedness
can go as deep as you possibly want to and
then say this one thing that just like makes me
die laughing, and it's like, oh, like this is so
fun and light and deep and all the things. And
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I also have to like affirm and encourage the fact
that you're willing to say like is stemmed from comparison
or jealousy or these things, because nobody wants to admit like, oh,
I'm feeling jealous right now, or I'm feeling self doubt
because I'm comparing or whatever.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
But actually, like a big part of I think.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Your path is that you are so willing to be
vulnerable in the face of emotions that a lot of
people are unwilling to sit with and even more so,
unwilling to name. And those two things are shame and jealousy.
And you encourage us to live shamelessly, which like I've
told you this a thousand times, Like I really took
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on that hashtag that you kind of like helped me
understand what it meant, to the point that Troy one
day was like, can you be a little more shameful,
Like you like.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Have some shame, like.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Catherine really like has sent you over the edge here,
Like you've eaten pancakes for the third in a row,
like over the course of this whole week, and you
haven't gotten out of your pajamas, Like there you need
to have some shame, which is funny.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
So but like in your lightheartedness and in your sweetness,
like there's a realness to you and you really have
nothing to hide, and you're willing to kind of express that,
which is so rare, and like you are also always
so authentic, like you're like this may be messy or
this may not be like you know, an ideal thing
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to express, but here I am. And it gives people
permission to be themselves in your presence and also gives
them permission to be vulnerable with themselves. And like I
think of like the stick of jealousy, and that's like
the shadow side of it, Like that's the side that
we still like work on. But the other side of
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jealousy is actually self love. So jealous see, the enemy
uses to, in my opinion, hide or create an illusion
so that we can't see our own like greatness. But actually,
like the cosmic joke is what I think, the things
that we are envious of in others are actually the
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things that live dormant in us that the shadow is
not allowing us to see. So like jealousy actually stems
from not understanding the level and magnitude of your own
self worth. Like your humor and lightheartedness is your spiritual gift,
and you are thinking of it as like I don't
have any spiritual gifts because I'm lighthearted and humorous, and
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that's what the enemy is making you think.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
But actually that is what makes you beautiful.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
And like you rejected your body, which put you on
the path of this shameless living that you've now created
an entire company and brand and platform around understanding the
plight of what it is to be a female who
doesn't love themselves, and you built this entire platform off
of encouraging women how to do that, because that was
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the same hole you climbed out of. And so in
a way, like I celebrate the fact that you press
into the things that you claim to be jealous of
and like openly share because actually what you're saying and
doing is this thing that I see in another person.
I'm just not seeing in myself. But the thing that
I want or long to be and these other people
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is actually what I already am. I just haven't uncovered
it yet, and now here you are uncovering it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's a good word, Mason.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I really didn't mean for all this to be about me,
but thank you for your encouragement.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
I'm like thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
I'm like this has really just been a therapy session
with Macy for her to bring it up, but I'm
doing that. I just finished this like seven day anxiety,
you know how like the Bible app will give you
like little plans you can follow. So I just finished
this seven day one with Patrick, and one of the
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things things that stuck out to me most was like
it takes two things for a lie to for a
lie to take place and the first is the one
who says it, which is the enemy, and then the
second is the one who believes it. So like you
play a part in whether or not this lie takes
root in you if you choose to believe it, like
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it takes two to tango.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
And I never thought about.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It like that.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
I'm just like, oh, like fiery darts. The enemy is just.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Like attacking me. I have like no like defense over it.
But we have the ultimate defense.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
And it's so crazy that you're saying that, because there
is an energetic anatomy that's known in Eastern philosophy that
they held more prominent than the physical anatomy.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
It's basically like.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
The deeper root of our physical anatomy, and that's called
the Chokra system. And mine says, time left is ten
minutes and it's counting down.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Is that okay? Yeah, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
If we keep talking, I'll just send you the second
link that I've created. But cool, I'm too cheap to
pay for Zoom unlimited or whatever I.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Mean to do that, And yeah, that's what editing is for. Yeah, yes,
but the center that is our willpower, it's called the
Manipura chakra. It is the part of our body energetically
and physically that holds our ability to take action and
have internal power. Its shadow is shame. And so basically
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what was happening is the enemy was taking your power
and replacing your personal power with shame, which is what
was allowing you to believe that. And so I'm taking
my power back. Your words mean nothing to me. I'm
not going to feel your shame, and I'm actually going
to like fall in love with myself even harder.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, you know, like what's crazy too, is that me
really does double down on things that he knows that you'll.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Use for good.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Like I think about this, This is like so crazy,
But I was just talking with Sarah about this two
weeks ago on a run, just about like this, just
like how close we truly are to this like between
life and death, like this supernatural world like in an instant,
anything can change, which sounds really morbid, but it is
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so true. And I remember like when my grandmother was
passing away and I was in the hospital room with her,
how like she was like the most faithful woman I've
ever known, and like if anyone was going to heaven,
it was Grandma Anne. You know what I mean like
it was like, Okay, well, we know exactly where she's going.
But those last seven days of her life, she would
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like snap in and out of like almost like expressing
all the lies that the enemy was telling her. So
like she would be like she became a different person
and would start like just admitting all this shame in
her life, all these things that she regretted, all this
all that, and like it was almost like she was
in trance, like staring at a wall like it was creepy.
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And then I'm not joking, Michael would just pray and
the second he said the name of Jesus, she would
go back to herself. And I say that to say,
like I think like the enemy was like doing a
last ditch effort to be like if I can get
Grandma an, then like I can really convince other people
that like God is not or Heaven is not our home.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And he was really.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Just like last ditch effort attacking this faithful woman.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
And the Name of Jesus always won.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
And that gives me chills because what you just described
is exactly how the enemy works.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Is like, let me tear this down.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
And then by Michael saying simply the name of Jesus,
it showed the level of the power of that name.
And so it's like when the enemy thought that he
was finally killing Jesus and everything was over, was actually
when everything was just beginning.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
And that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
And I think it's important, like how you were saying,
like you know, there is this very thin veil between
this life and the next one, and we don't have
like the appropriate like relationship.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
In this culture with this idea of death.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
But when I was thinking about, like literally, like my
Papa will be transitioning, death never felt like the actual
word because he's just transitioning. He's just moving from this
space to be with our eternal father. And like really
doubling down on what that means is like Jesus actually died,
Like Jesus actually went to the place that like none
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of us want to go to, so that let us
have to because he did.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
That in our place.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
And so like she was transitioning and in that transition
was getting caught in the cross heres of like the
enemy's work. And then just by Michael saying the name Jesus,
you guys got to witness firsthand that power.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, transition is such a good way to look at it,
because this really isn't our home, and we've just like
really experienced a lot of like very sudden or young
deaths this year, like within our circle, and it's been
like really eye opening because you just think you're promised
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tomorrow here on earth, but really like the things that
we worry and stress about here, like these are things
that are so fleeting, and it is like kind of
a relief to know that like this isn't our home,
but it's also kind of freaky to be like, whoa,
there's like a heaven, Like there's like a place that
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I'm going to be in forever and it's perfect and
like I'm not going to cry every day and like
you know what I mean, Like I'm not going.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
To get anxious. Yeah, right.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
But then it's the truth, and it's something like you
mentioned this in the beginning, like we shouldn't be able
to understand it because it is so beyond this world
and we shouldn't be able to understand all that God does.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
In the day to day or all that we.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Don't receive, or the questions we have, or we think
that God is like taking from us, when really it's
just like the evil of this world and like we
should if we understood it, then we would be God
and we're just not God, so like.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
And it wouldn't be a sweet like me looking at
all the answered prayers, like dang, what happened from October
fourth to this day?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Right now that journey.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
If somebody had told me on paper all the things
that were going to happen, I'd be like, I'm never
going to get through this year.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Oh yeah, I'm not going to start it. Yeah, well bye.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
And yet through that journey, I really feel like I've
come to a space of like strength within myself that
I never would have thought I could get to and
like and also like realizing like like as we go
through these really hard things, the things that used to
be really hard for us seem so like rudimentary.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Seriously, there's always going to be a new level of hard.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
We just got to get through through it, through the
first levels and then like it's like we're in a
video game. Like really, I was.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Gonna say that earlier, and I was like this is
gonna sound too weird, but yes, Catherine exactly, our mom
boss just gets bigger, but we get more tools to overcome.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Its, right, Okay, so I really like, I just think
this episode is done like in the sense that like
we did not know where we were going, and like
the Lord took it where he wanted to take it,
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and he dropped so many truth bombs, and I really
think that this like thirty minutes is gone or forty
minutes has zoom timed, it is going to be like
an encouragement to someone listening. And that's all I ask
for this podcast is just encouragement.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
I love that and like how cool and how simple.
And I was actually looking at like I was doing
a workshop this morning and one of the girls said, like,
the best thing that you can do is like find
the medicine for your own soul, because if it's medicine
for you, you can guarantee it's going to be.
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Medicine for somebody else.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
And that's kind of what happened today, is like we
both kind of bared what we needed to bear and
then like hopefully at maybe one other person will be like, wow,
that was I'm not alone.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
I can feel you on that.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean God draws near to us through his people
if we just like allow our selves to hear what
his people are saying.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, one last nugget this.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
I'm not going to ask you off for questions because
you've been on here a million times, but right now,
what is something that you love about yourself?
Speaker 4 (28:08):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
In this season?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
M hmm. I think the thing that I love the
most about myself is that I went on the journey
of figuring out who I am, undefined by what the
world says that I am. And I found that I
wasn't some things that I thought I was, and that
I am some things that I didn't know I was.
And so I would say I know myself the most
(28:34):
right now I've ever known myself, and I love that.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Well, I love you and everything about you, and listeners,
I know that you love Macy too. So just slide
into her DMS every hour on the hour and ask
her to be a guest on the podcast and maybe
still be on every week.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
But do it to the Emotion Studio account because mine
got hacked and I still am not into my personal.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh it's the most annoying thing when you get hacked.
I know it, Queen of helping me through it.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But my actual problem is like the hacker got into
our business and our personal was like, ah, they don't
have that many followers, Like we're gonna drop them, But
my personal account is still attached to my old phone number,
and I won't confirm that.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
This is my face, so I just can't.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It literally took me like six weeks for them to
confirm that my face was my face.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
It's like crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I created a whole new Instagram for Soul and I
was like, all right, we're done, and then like I
get an email one day that's like, hey, we saw
your face and approved, and I'm like, would have been nice,
you know, six weeks.
Speaker 2 (29:33):
Ago, literally, but hey, his timing is everything? Amen? My
crop like Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay, listeners, well we love you and Macy, I love
you and I will talk to you all next week.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Bye the Game.