Elly Clutch: The Viral Pornhub Star Who Shook the Internet

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Hey guys, welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. Today's guest
is one of the most compelling rising stars in the
independent adult space, and she's doing it all on her

(01:12):
own terms. You might recognize Ellie Clutch from her viral
roleplay video with her fiance that pulled in forty million
views on porn Hub in twenty twenty four, or maybe
from her fierce no apologies presence on OnlyFans Twitter and
now browsers and digital playground, from purity culture to couple swaps,

(01:33):
Ellie's journey into sex work is anything but boring, and
today she's giving us the real raw stories behind the scenes.
Strap in because this one's going to be spicy. Hi, Ellie, Hello.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
I'm like, I feel like I need to buckle up
now that I know it's a great angel zeefeldt on this.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Don't feel pressure though, to make this a spicy episode,
because I promised it. I need spicy, must be spicy.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
We got to even do some spicy, some sweet Ellie.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
For anyone who's new to your work, who is Ellie
Clutch and how did your journey begin?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
That's such a big question. I know we got an hour, Okay,
Ellie Clutch is me? I am her?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I'd say, I just try to put as much of
myself into my work as possible. I can be fun,
I can be allowed. I like to create something that
is exciting and honest to watch for the viewer. I

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feel like my favorite thing when I'm performing. I always
used to like look for something when I used to
watch back back in the day, you know, and I
would always look for someone who was enthusiastic and excited
to be where they were, because that's the way that
I experience intimacy, and so I'm always just trying to
convey that and trying to convey that and everything that

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I do.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, and that makes a difference, honestly, because the fans
can tell, like the ones that are just faking it
for the numbers or because I don't know, they just
wanted to make money, and the ones who truly love it,
Like you can see it. It's very difficult to fake
enjoying sex if you don't enjoy it exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
So, so how did you end up getting into this industry?

Speaker 4 (03:27):
Like what were you doing beforehand?

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Like how did you make that transition because it's generally
not you know, not exactly the yeah, stereotypical.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, wake up one day,
I'm like I want to do that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
I mean, you'd be surprised how many girls come on
here and they'd be like, I've been wanting to do
this since I was a little girl.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
That, which is wild.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
I mean, there's so I think I always had kind
of like a bit of a curiosity I've talked about
I used to watch like Girls next Door and things,
especially when I was like around college age, I would
watch a bunch of different like all the different documentaries
about all the different girls. So I always had that
curios and I always knew there was a part of
myself that knew I would really enjoy this type of work.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
And I would be really good at it.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
But I just didn't know how it really integrated into
like my own life for my way of doing things,
and during its same story for so many people. Covid yep, covid,
and before I had always.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Started, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
I had always been a pretty big workaholic. I always
had multiple jobs, you know, two or three jobs. I
was putting myself through school, and I ended up losing
all my jobs, and I had a lot of time
on my hands, and I actually started doing Twitch first,
streaming me playing video games. Just how I got my
last name Clutch because euphemism coming and clutch something they

(04:48):
say a lot. I thought it was funny, and you know,
after a little while, people kind of started asking, see
my whuhas.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Of course, you're a hot girl on the internet, not
too long exactly, requests coming, you know what.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
At first I did, I resisted a little bit and Finally,
there was kind of a point where I had a
bit of reckoning. I was like, you know what, if
I start doing this, I'm just going to go at
my own pace and do what I'm comfortable with doing
and see how it goes. And I ended up really
really liking it. I think it was probably it was

(05:24):
like after my first month doing it, and I was
just doing solo stuff and lute content and I was like,
oh my gosh, like it was just so creatively fulfilling.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
It kind of scratched that itch.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I had had and maybe a bit of that Morvid
curiosity where I was like, ooh, I kind of want
to see how I'd be at this. And then it
was kind of over time, of course, you know, you
get more comfortable and you start wanting.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
To try doing more things and adding on.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
And I also, really I don't want to say that
I'm a perfectionist by any means, because I'd say that
I present myself very perfectly, and I think that's, you.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Know, what makes me me. But I also wanted to.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Make sure that I really liked what I was putting out,
and so you know, over the period of time where
I was like, Okay, now I feel more comfortable doing
these sort of things on camera, and I'm able to
really like hone into my craft and create something that
I'm more or less proud of. Even if I'm showing
up imperfectly. You know, it's never going to be the
perfect thing. But I knew that I was giving a

(06:24):
good performance, giving what people maybe wanted to see, and
I felt very authentically myself in doing it, and kind
of slowly doing that over time, and.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Now I'm here. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
So, but I mean, it's such a great way to
get started because not everybody gets to have that opportunity
to really like move at their own pace absolutely and
also own all the content that they produce, so they
know that they're not making something that like they don't
have control over the distribution.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
It is definitely a different era of things, I would
say with that, and I can also recognize how privileged
I am to have been able to do that and
kind of go at my own pace and do those things.
When I first started first full year, I think I
was making like, you know, six or seven thousand dollars
a month, and that was a lot for me, you know,

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and I'm coming from putting myself through school and having work.
I was always working and trying to do things, trying
so hard to create a better life for myself. And
I went from making probably like twenty five thirty thousand
dollars a year for me, making six or seven thousand
dollars a month was like life altering.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah, and life changing yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
And so I feel so very fortunate to have been
able to go at my own pace. But you know,
as you did reference, I did have a kind of
a moment where things went really crazy and it was
like when that happened when I when we had that
viral video, it was like, Okay, now I'm really doing this.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yeah, no, there's no take you back, cees.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Yeah. You know, So how did you get started? Because
did you you probably did you have a following when
you first opened like your only advants and was that
the first platform that you started on.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
My follow was from Twitch, which I didn't have a
huge following on I you know, it would only be
maybe I would have maybe like thirty to fifty consistent viewers.
And then I started my only fans and then from
there I started kind of experimenting with different platforms. I
had a Reddit half I still have my Reddit account

(08:22):
that I was using to promote myself on and then
also TikTok was a huge thing at the time.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
I feel like it was almost.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Easier to go viral back then it is now, and
I would just be I was like on it all
the time, I was on Reddit all the time, I
was live on TikTok all the time. I was constantly streaming,
And that's where my my main audience came from, which
is funny because now most of my audience comes from
more so.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, So I'm always curious how people like who start
in the self content production world get to where they are,
because you know, there's obviously a lot of people who
are thinking about dipping their toe into the adult industry,
and I've I know a lot of girls who've come
into this industry who actually watched my podcast to learn
about how to get in if they wanted to do it.

(09:11):
And so I'm always interested to hear people's process because
it seems like such an insurmountable mountain to climb, you know,
to like get to that.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Place wearing out what you're good at and what you
like to do, especially if it's not something that you've
really explored yourself, where you're like, Okay, there's so many
different things I have to think about, like how do
I want other people to see me, what do I
enjoy doing? What am I not going to get burnt
out on? How do I make sure that I am
appealing to an audience that is actually going to like me,
and I don't get stuck doing a niche or something

(09:42):
that I'm not interested in doing. You know, you'll hear
about people who kind of get stuck of a couple
of friends who are they've been a teen for you know,
ten years. Yeah, yeah, and like you know that can
be the way that things work, but you know, these
are things that you're constantly thinking about, like what if
I end up and that's my job and that's why life,
and I'm going to be a teen time.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
And then and then one yes, the day you're between age,
you wake up, you get boobs.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Yeah that's literally exactly how it is. Like I've talked
to girls who are like, I'm ready to transition to
milk tear.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
They get a boob job and I need fake boobs,
and I'm like I get that.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, I mean I understand it too. So you know,
there's constantly this way of thinking. Here's the thing too,
is like what I do for myself and my own
content creation isn't going to be what clicks for a
lot of other people.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I know.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
There's people who you know, are very specific. They kind
of do a more like swinger type or a hot
wife type of content that I tend to, you know,
stray away from.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
I don't enjoy that so much, or.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
You know, different kind of things where they're like, oh
that we have this one way that we're going to film,
or people who have done have been incredibly successful doing
faceless content and all these different things, which is which
is yeah, so mind blowing.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
And I've had so many people because of that come
to me and be like, I want to make money.
I want to start on OnlyFans, but I don't want
to show my face. So can I just do like
faceless content? And like the chances of you making it
as a faceless content, it's like you're next men, you
almost have a better chance of winning the lotto.

Speaker 4 (11:17):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
And so when there is someone who has been able
to make that work for them for whatever reason, like
that's what I'm saying is figuring out and that's why
I am very, very very grateful that I was able
to kind of take my journey in a in a
direction that was a little bit you know, slow until
I had that.

Speaker 4 (11:34):
Crazy, you know, my moment.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
But I was able to really figure out what is
it that I enjoyed doing. And I found out that
I really really enjoy doing role play. I really enjoy
being able to play off of somebody else and kind
of create this fantasy or create you know. I love
doing scenes that are really fun or interesting or a
little quirky or a little weird, and that come across

(11:59):
as very i don't know, like honest or like vulnerable,
Like I really really enjoy doing those. That brings me
a lot of like creative satisfaction. But it wouldn't have
been I wouldn't know that if I didn't try that,
you know. And I'll tell people, I'm like, just try everything,
you know, try camming, try try doing so maybe there's

(12:21):
some people who I know who do amazing solo stuff,
you know, and.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Really and watch what you do back. I know that's so.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
For some people to do, but that's how I really
learned is watching myself back maybe you have to and
being like, okay, here's moments where I feel as though
I shine. You know, here's something that I might be
able to work on. What is it about me that
I think is maybe a little bit different than other people?
Is going to stand out, you know, and really thinking

(12:52):
about that and being honest with yourself, not being overly critical.
You know, like I said, you be perfect, but you know,
me being able to sit here and be like this
is I love my job so much and I figured
out something that works for me. Of course, this is
the job that it is and it's constantly involved, evolving
and changing.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
But you know, what I'm doing right noworks for me
a lot of happy. So tell me about the viral video.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, it's called sharing a Bed with my sister's best friend.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
It was the whole way that happened was kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
There's had been one other shorter length roleplay video that
we had posted and it's a lot of talking and
then the you know, more.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Explicit and this is your and your partner Jack Knight, Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yeah, And so we had put a video up and
it was like talking for a lot of foreplay, you know,
a lot of like building chemistry and kind of those
are things that I think are for me when I watch,
it's like building that chemistry is so important.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
A lot of women lean towards that. That's why they
tend to like the storylines.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, and having that moment of kind of like finally
and kind of trying to create that with that tension
with you know, whoever I'm with, and then also with
the person who's watching.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
I think it's really important, So, you know.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I we had made a video and Jack was like, well,
maybe we can try posting it on porn up, like
a shortened version.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
I was like, Okay, that's kind of crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
I don't know if it'll do anything, you know, And
there's kind of this I think it's BS.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I know it's ps.

Speaker 3 (14:26):
Because it's not how I ended up becoming successful. This
kind of idea that like the less you show, the
more money you'll make, or the more successful that you'll be.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
And I don't I don't think that's true.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
I know it's not true because everybody has things that
they're you know, good at and that they're bad at
and that they enjoy and maybe I want people to see.
But we had done one previous and then the second
one we had posted.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
I'm sitting at home I was playing video games.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Jack's in the other room, and I'm I go to
I start getting all the subscribers like and it's I
think I had maybe like a couple, maybe you know,
a thousand, something like that. And this was with me
posting all the time constantly, and I am refreshing my
only fans and I am just seeing boom boom boom,

(15:17):
like I had never seen anything like that before. And
my heart is beating out of my chest. I can't
even reply all these messages stuff, what happened? You know?
I'm like, wait, yeah, you know. I like, did you
know something goes ral viral somewhere? Right? And so I
go I check that video and I'm seeing's going up,
goes literally before my eyes half a million, a million,

(15:41):
two million, three, And my heart is beating out of
my chest because this is like simultaneously, it's everything I've
ever wanted, but it's everything I've been most terrified for.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Why terrified?

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Because that is so sky because it was so beyond me.
It became thing of course you have no, you don't
have control over you anymore, right, right? And that's more
I'm like, okay, well now now there's no going back.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I mean that that really cements you in the industry, right,
Like you can't pretend like, oh, I did a couple
of videos and then I like decided it wasn't for
me and I did something else.

Speaker 4 (16:14):
No, I'm like okay.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
And also now everybody knows, so I'm getting texts yeah,
and I'm like, okay, well, now I really got to
explain this. You know, I went to school with or
have worked with in the past or whatever, and uh,
you know, I'm like, babe, like look at this, and
we're just seeing this number go up. And I think
it was like the next day we went to Mexico
for a vacation for him for his birthday. So I'm

(16:37):
on vacation for his birthday trying to I'm getting thousands and.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
Thousand, oh send the messages, and you know, only fans.
They kind of have a broken interface.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Everybody wants the full length version of this video, and
so I'm trying to send it.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Put in the price, send it. I'm recruiting my friends.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
We're all sitting in a circle sending this video and
then trying.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
To go drink, like meeting people at the bar. I'm like, hey,
can you help me? I think just videos to my
band members. Yeah, so this is.

Speaker 3 (17:05):
Happening, and it's just like blowing up in a way
that I had never experienced before. And it was like
the best feeling, but then also this feeling of kind
of like impending doom. And then I'm already starting to
have these thoughts of like what if.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
This is my peak? What if I'm never well? I'm like,
am I peaking right now? Is this the most success
I'm gonna know?

Speaker 3 (17:23):
Like? And then what do I do next? You know, like,
this moment is happening, how do I make the most
of it? And how do I, you know, continue to
connect with people on this level and how do I
keep these people around? And how do I not royally
screw this up? And it was just wild And then
we end up getting back home. Jack and I are
waking up. We had a schedule. We were waking up

(17:44):
every two hours throughout the night to reply the messages
because it was so impossible to reply to all of them.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
And just I don't know, I feel like that's an
account that you guys had together, is it.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's just he's helping faceless at this point, Okay, helping
you answer.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Yeah, he's helping me answer the messages and send everything out,
and he didn't even have an account yet. He was
just like, you know, this week before he started doing
stuff on his own with his own career, which I'm
so incredibly proud of him for, you know, but having
gone through that, it was kind of like it really
forced me, I guess, to be like, Okay, I'm in this,

(18:21):
and so I'm incredibly it was an amazing moment. I'm incredibly,
incredibly grateful for it, and I'm also really happy that
it happened when it did. I had already been in
the industry, you know for two and a half years.
I already kind of knew what I signed up for,
and then, you know, it was stressful, I guess, but
it was like a good stress well, like the best

(18:43):
thing that ever could have happened.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
So what is the scene, like, specifically, what's the concept?

Speaker 3 (18:48):
It is like me, I am Jack is role playing
like my best friend's brother, and it was like we
came back from my It's so funny because at the
beginning of the video, my best friend this in it,
She's like supposed to be this. She like closes the
door and she's like, Okay, guys, like you're sleeping here.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
We're supposed to.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Be like coming back from a night out, and we're
ending up sharing a bed because she's going to go
screw her boyfriend. It's just like building of tension for
like twenty minutes.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
So the video you don't even have sex for the
first one.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, like fifteen or twenty minutes. I'm just like, we're
just bantering back and forth. I'm kind of you know,
running my butt, and then it kind of slowly turns
into a little wow see slowly turns into a little
mouth action. It's very very very slow progression. Which that
was kind of like I was shocked to see.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, because you like expect because people generally, I think,
spend an average of like, I don't know, nine seconds
on Foreign Hub.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
We were looking at the statistics of this video and
they're not skipping that part yeah, And I was like,
what is it that I'm doing?

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Yeah, that is somehow.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
Working for people to keep them hoked, because you know,
you'll see that people make that.

Speaker 4 (19:58):
Joke usually skip this part. They weren't. I have the
data right here, they aren't.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
So what is this feeling that I was kind of
able to emulate and how do I put that in
a bottle and kind of inject that.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Have you figured out? What did it?

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Like?

Speaker 4 (20:14):
What do you think about the video?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
That was a magic moment? But there is a certain
thing I don't know. It's something with like a level
of POV that I know that I'm able to do
and convince, and then a level of banter that I'm
able to have that for some reason, it just really
works like for that style a video.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
And well, I I you know, now I have.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Other you know, I had done things where third people
where the people feeling, you know, it's a cameraman, and
now I've have professional experience. But there's something that is
just like, so something that work. It's my face that
works in that positioning. You know. For some reason, everyone
has their thing, you know, And I think for a
long time it was funny.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I was like, I kind of joked.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
I was like, man, people there's like they're boobs person,
they're a butt person.

Speaker 4 (21:05):
I was like, oh my god, is my it's my face.
It's it's not a bad face. I'll take that. Honestly,
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I've been sitting here like studying your features not to
be creepy, but just like very photographer that she's got
such a delicate nose.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
Gosh, okay, and no I'm not gonna sits are really
like nice.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Well, I I don't want to be like wow, this
is you know, I'm like the best, but I also
am like okay, I can say to a certain extent,
I'm like, okay, maybe I'm maybe a bit you know, unique,
or I know that I have I do know that
I do tend to give crazy eye and a lot
of my videos and.

Speaker 4 (21:43):
For some reason's crazy. I was like with the really
intense direct eye contact, would okay, that's like I'm going
to devour.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Like me eyes, you know, being able to kind of
like hone in on that be like okay, watching this back.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
This is my strength. Mm hmmmmm.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Some people are really good at it, you know, crazy
dirty talk, or some.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
People are really insane positions. Yeah, people who are sending blowjobs.
Yeah yeah, and like figure out what you're good at
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worked for you. So we've talked about your viral video,
So what would you say, like, is your brand like
what is Ellie Clutch?

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Definitely like very I don't want to say overly amateur,
because I feel like that I really like intimate role
play that is an experience for the viewer that is
like what I would say bottled up and you know
you're a little relatable, little goofy girl.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Next door kind of vibe with crazy eyes. Yeah, was crazy.
She's looking at me through the window or something.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
All right, So let's talk about your partner, jack Knife.
So you said when your video went viral, he was
still not like showing out in the space. Really, he
wasn't like a performer in his own right.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
So did that.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Video change his mind about his place in your scenes
and wanting to go off on his own or how
did that start?

Speaker 3 (24:09):
He had like a job before, and I never wanted
him to feel pressured into doing what at first was
my thing. And so when he first started doing like
a little bit of performing with me, it would always
be like I would pay him per video, and which
is funny.

Speaker 4 (24:27):
And then eventually kind of got to a.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Point where things started really picking up and I was like, Babe,
I can't do this alone anymore.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
I need your help.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
And he ended up being able to quist job to
help me and you know amazing Marketer things like that,
and so he was still like mostly behind camera, and
then there kind of was a pivot point. Actually we
did a threesome video with Dana diarmand funny enough, Oh oh.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
My god, she is just she's hilarious. Another level she
is iconic.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yes, and we had done this video and then she
had asked him if he would want to do a
video with just her, and then we kind of sat down.
It was like he hadn't even really like thought about it,
and he was like, would you be like cool with that?
And I was like, yeah, of course, Like I like absolutely,
And if anything, I was like, oh, this is great

(25:19):
because I didn't feel I knew he's just one of
those he's a freak, he's good at everything, just one
of those guys I've never seen bad at anything ever.
And I was like, okay, So if we're doing group
scenes with other women and you are making them feel
so comfortable and look good that they are then asking

(25:40):
you afterwards to film with only them, even though you're
not really a performer, I was like, I would be
honored to be, you know, with you and for you
to be able to like do your own thing, and
that way it also was putting a little bit less
pressure on just me to perform, because then I had
these you know thoughts about like that's just like a
lot you know that you'll see that a lot with
like reallylationships with in the industry. It's like there's one

(26:03):
person who's on camera all the time and then they
have a partner who's never on camera, and that absolutely
is like works for a lot of people. But I
was just like, Okay, I feel like with us doing this,
we'll will to balance things, both have our own things,
both have something together, and then we'll both be able
to really understand each other. And we already had really
good communication. We'd already been together a long time, six

(26:24):
years I think at that point. And yeah, that's when
he started doing his own thing. And then I mean
he won Male Performer the Year at the Hubblewards a
couple of months ago. He's just doing amazing and I'm
so proud of him and impressed by him.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
So that's awesome. So as and then do you do
work with other guys?

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Okay, So as a couple who's obviously maybe got different
boundaries than most people, how do you guys navigate that world?
Because so many people I get comments from guys all the.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
Time and watch this podcast like I have never.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
Other people because there's literally probably multi billions of women
who also want the same thing as Yeah, you know,
and just because they can't relate to another couple's boundaries
doesn't mean that my boundaries shouldn't exist the way that
they do. You know, I have found it to be
very easy to navigate this with in a relationship, and

(27:24):
I'm very very fortunate to have that. But it's it
was so simple from the beginning for me to be
like I think part of it too is the way
that I function with work with it as well. And
it's such such a clean cut boundary for me that
I understood him also having that clean cut boundary, and
I was like, Okay, here's what I'm comfortable with you doing.
Here's what I'm not comfortable with you doing. Here's maybe

(27:44):
some things that I want to keep special for us
in our relationship. And then you know, this is probably
how comfortable I am. You know, how often you're working
and things like that. He's allowed to work however much
he wants. I don't want to say that. I more
so mean that I like to be It's like, as
long as I'm the priority than yeah, then we're cool.

Speaker 4 (28:06):
We're chilling.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
And I don't think I also think that a lot
of people don't realize that. It's like he's probably maybe
filming three days a week and I'm probably maybe filming through.
I do a lot of other things, but I'm like,
if I'm you know, shooting a couple scenes throughout the week,
or we'll do things where we'll do like work binges
and work tons for like three weeks straight and then
we'll take three weeks off and only spend time with

(28:28):
each other. Like, being able to do this job is
also granted us the ability to be even better and
stronger couple because we're able to spend so much more
time together.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
And you guys have so much control over your own schedules.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, we were able to really like work with that
and figure it out.

Speaker 4 (28:43):
And I don't know, I feel like maybe you're an anomaly.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
But you know, all the time you'll see guys be
like I could never I'm like, then don't.

Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah that you don't have to.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
No one's forcing you to do that, you know, and
there's nothing wrong with you. Might look at my relationship
be like, that's not a real relationship, but I might
I probably also would look at.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
Your relationship and to me, that would be a real relationship.
You know, I don't.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't operate on jealousy and control.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, I mean a lot of times there's I think
a sense that of ownership, you know, where like she
belongs to me and so I cannot share her.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
With other men.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
And then I think a lot of it even comes
down to how they feel. It would make them look
and it would like emasculate them, right, and it would
make me feel like I'm the kind of man who
like can't keep my woman under control.

Speaker 4 (29:30):
Right. I think a lot of that comes into it, which.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
I also think is like that's just a direct reflection
of themselves. Yes, in a lot of ways. And you
can have whatever boundary. That's the thing is, you can
have whatever boundaries you want to have. Yeah, in a relationship.
That's why it's your relationship. And just because it works
for us doesn't mean be honest.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
It probably would not work yeah for most people.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
Like that is not it's not a normal relationship by
any means. And we both know that, you know, but
we definitely have our way of people all the time too.
They'll also think that we're in an open relationship and
we're like, no, actually we're not. We consider ourselves monogamous.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Okay, So explain to people who may be super confused,
like what you just said, Like what that means?

Speaker 4 (30:13):
I don't date any other men other than him.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
So you only have sex with other men on camera forwards. Yes,
there is no like going to the.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
Club, like bringing somebody home.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
No, yeah, exactly that. So that's what works for us. Plus, Okay,
I'm gonna be so honest when people will assume that,
I'm like, do you assume that I have the time?
I like, oh, I have four boyfriends up, Like, good
for you, but I would be exhausted.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
It makes me laugh because Carla Lane has three yeahs,
a husband and two boyfriends.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
I'm like, girl, you have the time for that shit.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, that sound I'm like,
and then you have to deal with like.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
The interpersonal relationships of that, And I'm like, that sounds like.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Way too much.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Like I'm like, I am good with I have my
one person, like he and I've been together for seven
years now.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
We are so in love and so happy, and.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
I don't know, that's not even something that we have
even like talked about wanting. Neither of us even you know,
want that. And it's the same thing for him. He doesn't,
you know, it's only on camera for work.

Speaker 4 (31:18):
When he works with other women.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
So do you guys ever have any like jealousy issues
or other conflicts come up with that arrangement?

Speaker 4 (31:25):
And how do you navigate that?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
If you do, the only time that it would would
be if like, Okay, I'm like trying to think of
an example, it would be like maybe if I didn't
feel like I don't know, like if he but this
would never happen.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
That's the thing is like, this would never happen.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
But it would be like, oh if I felt like
my like his work with me wasn't getting as much
attention as his work with other women, right, Okay, Because
I'm like, like, my work with him is like that's
what is the best for us financially, and then also
for me. I feel so like there's a certain magic
that him and I are able to create on camera,

(32:05):
Like I need him.

Speaker 4 (32:07):
You know in that sense.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And so if I was to feel like, you know,
he was like shooting with everybody else and never shooting
with me, I probably feel.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Like, oh, yeah, like a bit disjected.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
But that's the thing is we haven't really like dealt
with that at all, and I feel very very fortunate
that that hasn't really been something. If if a feeling
were to ever come up, we would just talk about it, yeah,
and then be like, oh, okay, I'm so sorry, I
didn't know that was a crush boundary never happening again.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I mean a common theme that I hear with all
people who have different kinds of relationships like this is communication,
which I think is to talk about key to a
relationship in general.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
I think a lot of really successful relationships in this
industry are like probably some of the most successful industry
like of relationships in the in the world. Yeah, like
there's a level of communication, but I see with a
lot of these couples that I do not think I
have ever seen in the regular world.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, to be a sex worker and to do it professionally,
you have to like be able to communicate your boundaries
and talk about sex, which most people never do do
and like husbands and wives don't.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
Like I get so many.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Guys who write to me they're like, I would love
to have anal and like I am too scared to
like bring it up to my wife, or I would
never talk about my wife with this, or I'm you
guy has no idea And if you.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Guys aren't talking during sex about like what does this
feel good for you? What would you like me to
do for you? How can I make you feel good?
Like you're not like what kind of weird?

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Most people are not, like are you just like shoving
it in and then busting and then leaving? And then
I'm also like how sad it is, how sad it
would be to be a woman in a relationship and
not feel like I could ask for what I wanted?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah, you know, and I think that that's so many
women's experience. Yeah, because they because a lot of women
use sex as like a tool.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Or is like a prize.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I also think that a lot of women feel really
ashamed of what they want right exactly because we've been
forced into and you know they want there. Of course,
when you love somebody or you care about them, you
want them to think of you really highly. And it's like,
oh my gosh, I want to ask for this specific thing,
but I'm afraid my husband's going to think I'm a
slat yep, and that I'm just crazy, and then he's

(34:22):
going to go and tell all his friends that I
want this crazy thing.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
And it's like maybe it's I don't know, get me like.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
Something so simple to us simple to us, right, like
using a toy.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
Yeah, he does. That's like so base level.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
I just genuinely I really hope that people I don't know,
I hope that for other people. I hope they're able
to like figure that out in their own lives and
maybe even like it's like if they're not interested in
this kind of work or whatever, maybe that's something they
can learn, is learning how to like communicate better in
their own relationships.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
And well, I think so many women were raised with
the idea that, like, you, virginity is this prize, right,
and you give it out to like the highest bidder.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
I think we're gonna talk about you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
And it's just like it's something and there of course
like taught to believe that sex is like shame sex
before marriage is shameful and all that, and then when
you get married and have sex, it's literally to procreate
and create children.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Like it's not meant to be functional.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Yeah, it's not meant to be like this pleasurable experience
between the two of you.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So you women die without having ever flicked the being
yes or just in general pepper. Yeah, And it's just
like it is sad it really is, you know, So
does that mean that we're gonna talk about purity.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Culture now we can? Okay, where's my where's my question
about this?

Speaker 4 (35:46):
I was like, that's a good transition. Is a good.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
Transition, except I blew it because I can't see because
if my eyes are so bad.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Oh okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Next time, I'm coming with my reading glasses on a chain.
You're going to see it icnic though. You could get
a monocle.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I could get a monocle. That would be.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Fun, the opera glasses with the I like the opera
glass glasses for me.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, you can get.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Really cool ones. Yeah, my monocle. That's like my grandfather
he used.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
To have a monitor. It's awesome.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna get my I'm gonna get the opera glasses.
Just wait, you guys are going to see. It's gonna
be my.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
Thing coming out.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
You know how Ellie is a thing. It's her face.
Mine's gonna be my reading classes.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Discount opera glasses.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
I put that on my Amazon wishless perfect. Okay, so
you've mentioned purity culture and even conservatism creeping back into
the industry.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
I'm scared should.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Be what are you seeing and how do we push back?
So what am I seeing? It's okay, It's been really interesting.
I feel like even from uh, it's so weird because
it's like we're simultaneously being told that women are more
liberated than ever and then also like simultaneously being told

(37:07):
that all these things that women should be liberated to
make the decision for themselves to do are like the
worst thing ever. And the things that I get, like
even just like on my for you page on TikTok
and the dehumanization of like what a sex worker is
that has always existed, but it's also like now people
think it's like because everybody has a voice, me.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Think their opinion matter, thinks their opinion matters.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, and so I'll see these these tiktoks of women,
which this horrifies me, having complete dialogues on how how
like porn is like which every like I said, every
relationship is allowed to have its own boundaries, but like
porn is the reason why the world is the way
that it is, and that it is the fault of

(37:53):
every porn star who has ever existed why they personally
feel sexualized or do hearized, And I'm like that is
where where is the dissonance coming in there? Because I'm like,
how can you not just say that maybe that's like
that has nothing to do with porn, where the person

(38:14):
is putting themselves in a place of consent. The issue
is consent. Also, that's not porn people's problem at all.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
You know.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
It's just a very interesting thing because even just a
couple of years ago, it's like, I feel like I've
been around now for long enough, Like three or four
years ago, it was like doing OnlyFans was like, oh,
this is like normal and cool, And now all of
a sudden, I'm seeing this crazy kickback that is like
it's wild to me how fast things can flip. And
then seeing all of this censorship and media, how many

(38:47):
of my fans my followers can't see anything that I
do anymore at all, is horrifying and terrifying because this
is what we've been saying, sex workers, I've been saying
for forever, where it's like, where's that line? What is
adult content? Where does the lines start and stop? You know,

(39:10):
And I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I'm scared, and that's a problem, and that's a problem
that has haunted us for so long. I mean, I've
been in the industry for twenty seven years now, and
I've seen and you know, I grew up around it
because my parents were pornographers, so I saw what they
went through.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
And it's just cyclical, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
It goes in waves where it's like, oh, it's liberating,
and then it's the worst thing you can do as
a woman and you're a horrible woman for doing it,
or god forbid.

Speaker 4 (39:35):
A woman who has.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Their own brain likes to have sex, yeah, and is
okay with other people watching them do it.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
And that's what makes me crazy about when people say, like, well,
don't you think that porn is degrading to women, because
I'm just like, okay, so you know what you just did.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
You just put the woman in the role of the victim.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Well, and then it's also like, sex is not inherently degrading. Yeah,
I don't feel degraded when I have sex. I feel
I feel empowered. And if maybe you feel degraded when
you have sex, you should look at that and think
I need to probably heal my relationship that I have
with sex.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Some people, though, also like like feeling people also and
they like it, so there's that too, And that's also okay,
but I'm just.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know, it's like this kind of thing where it's like, oh,
you're objectifying myself, and it's like why is why is
a woman who's having sex? Why is that an object
Because to me, that's the most human thing you can do.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
Is have sex for pleasure. That's why we're all here
exactly exactly, and.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Like why are you looking at that and saying that's
objectifying when you know I find it liberating and I
find it freeing, enjoyable.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Well, and you're able to it's like once the minute
a woman monetizes it, right, like then it's a problem.
And that's the thing too, is that you don't have
people going around screaming that like porn is degrading to
men precisely don't hear it?

Speaker 3 (40:53):
Well they don't, they know No, That's the thing too,
is I'm in a relationship with the male performer.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
I know the level of just how different our experiences are.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
And I've told him when people are like when we'll
ask the jealousy question, the only thing I'm jealous about
is the fact.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
That he's and he doesn't get all the state comments
with the crap that I.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Do, you know, and it's it's just a wild like
the questions that all get asked, and it's far.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
More difficult for women than it is for men. Yeah,
you know, absolutely interesting, but.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah, I mean it's it's scary because it's like that
obscenity you know, thing is like you know, they say,
well you'll know it when you see it.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
It's like, well, no, you don't.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
But and it's also like they're so okay with violence
but not okay, right, and they're normalized that all the time,
where it's like this isn't okay, this is this is
okay for everybody to see, but then like a boob isn't.
And then it's also like where's that line between art
okay and porn?

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:01):
And where where when is someone going to cross the
line before we can no longer see you know, a
marble statue that is in the louver because their boobs
are out?

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Is that porn? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:13):
You know, Like who's just.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
I mean it's crazy because it's like, you know, I
think you and I can both sit here and be
like playboys. Okay, Playboy's definitely not porn, right, Like that's
what we feel. Playboy is not porn, but so many
people are like, oh no.

Speaker 4 (42:26):
That's porn. Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
And it's so funny because when Heffner was alive, he
fought so hard to make sure that there was like
that line between playboy and porn, like that it was separated. Yeah,
to the point where I got fired for working there
because I was porn dated and you know, anyways, long story,
but you know, and just really like working so hard

(42:50):
to separate himself from that because he knew that, like
that's a sliding scale, like once you slide in with.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Porn, yeah, like getting down two, down and dirty.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
But then it's also really interesting because you could also say,
like there's certain amounts of fetish content that I would
consider porn that.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Don't have nudity mm hm.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
And so it's like you can't the line is so
indiscernible that it's almost all of it's porn and none
of it's porn, yeah, you know, or like I'll meet people,
I'll have interacted with people, and this is you know,
coming from an OnlyFans mindset, which I think is much
different in a lot of ways than.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Like like the culture of it is.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
I would say that my mindset is very very It's
probably the same as most mainstream performers, but knowing people
from that world that are like, I'm an only fans girl,
They'll be like, oh, I'm an only fans girl, but
I don't do porn. And I'm like, well, you're making
content for people to jack off to, so isn't that.

Speaker 4 (43:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (43:44):
I mean that's and I was actually just going to
ask you what is porn? Is it so that people
masturbate to?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
What's milf?

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Because you know, like I mean my YouTube channel got
demonetized for a couple of months for sexually gratifying content.

Speaker 4 (43:57):
Gratifying? Yeah, did you guys? I feel like this is
do you do you jerk off? Are you jerking off
to this?

Speaker 1 (44:02):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (44:03):
King?

Speaker 4 (44:03):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Are you milking it? I'm like, who's sexual by this?
Someone somewhere, I don't know, there's something for everybody.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, but it's it's like it's that conversation, and that's
where I even think there's a weird level of like
purity culture within the porn community.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yes, that the Yeah, it's such a massive thing.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
And I'm coming from a perspective of like when I
first started, I probably I was a victim of that
kind of way of thinking, and that was something that
I very quickly disassembled. But I kind of looked back
at some of my old my you know, my older
ways of thinking and being like, oh I I can
charge the less you show, right, the more money you make.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
I was a victim of that kind of thinking.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
I thought, well, if I don't show anything, then maybe
I'll make more money.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
It's just not true. It's just not It's not true.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
And I think the reality of it is is the
world sees us all the same, and you can have
whatever boundaries you want to have in your own content, absolutely,
and you can feel comfortable nude. You cannot feel comfortable nude.
But to sit there across from somebody who is like
a mainstream before more if you're a girl who only
just topless, and to say I'm better than you, that's

(45:13):
so we need to be more united than that, yeah,
you know, or having somebody do you know how many
girls have sat down with me and said, oh, well,
I wish I could do what you do, but I'm
worried that I won't be able to find love.

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Yes, you hear that.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
And I'm sitting there in a seven year long relationship
being like, do you know offensive.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
This is to me right now, Yeah, but it also is.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
I mean, I know that a lot of women do
have trouble with this because so many men, oh absolutely
are so intimidated by the idea of a woman that
like shares her body their sexuality with the world and monetize.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
But then also, maybe would you if you have that
way of thinking, would you want to be with a
man right who you know wouldn't be okay with you
intermingling in that world at all, or maybe had secret
bitter feelings about it, or you felt like you had
to keep it a secret from Maybe you're just.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Dating the wrong people.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, just I don't know, move to a city you'll fight,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Yeah, I mean, you know, it's so interesting what you're
what you just said about like women who post topless,
I think they're better than porn stars.

Speaker 4 (46:16):
So it kind of reminds me of so the.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Reason I'm not saying that for everybody, but no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the reason that I even have
an only fans It's a long story I won't get into,
but you know, I was a director and a photographer
for so long and I did not model nude and
of course everybody asked me to because I'm a woman
in the porn industry and they can't see my tits
and it's like the worst damn. So I did do

(46:42):
a imployed. I did hire somebody to shoot me. I remember,
I was, God, it's so funny. I look back at
it out. I was twenty nine. I was about to
turn thirty, so I was getting really old. That's that's
what I thought. I was like, oh my god, I
am pretty thirty, I'm going to be old, and I
want to have a sexy shoot me while I'm still
in my twenties. This was legit my way of thinking.

(47:05):
So I hired somebody. They shot me, and it was
supposed to just be implied nudity. And then he asked
me if I wanted to do any like topless photos
or like you know, nude photos, just because it's like,
this is your content, you own it, maybe you want
to use it later.

Speaker 4 (47:17):
And I was like, and I felt comfortable at that point.
I knew this guy.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
But then you're also maybe you're like, well, maybe you
know I'm only going to be twenty nine onths.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Maybe I wanted it right right, And I was like
and I thought, I'm like, okay, i'll shoot it up.
Getting old and nine is crazy, I know.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
And I'm like, i'll show it, you know, maybe I'll
like gift it to my husband one day or something
like that. Right, So that's so that's what I did.
So anyways, like a good I don't know, six years
goes by or something like that. And I had so
I had released the non nude pictures on my website,
but I had kept back the nude ones right, never
intended to publish them. Anyways, my assistant accidentally published the

(47:53):
nudes on my website. I just woke up one day
on a Saturday morning and I went on Twitter and
it had to exploded loaded, and I was like, what
the hell is crazy?

Speaker 4 (48:03):
And I was like, how did that happen?

Speaker 3 (48:06):
Were you mortified I or were you just like I
have been chosen? That's how I feel sometimes sometimes I'm like,
I didn't choose born, born chose me.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
So I was like, I was, yeah, I mean I
was shocked obviously, because like I didn't plan it, and
so I was dismayed a bit. And I had just
dating my current husband and I didn't like obviously my
family wasn't going to care. So I wasn't worried about that. Yeah,
and I wasn't worried about it like ruining my career.

(48:37):
I wasn't worried about that. But it just like it
wasn't like I for it's violating. It wasn't something I
had planned for, and it wasn't some like the mindset
that I had. And I was worried about, you know,
my new boyfriend. And so I remember I called him
and he was at hockey and I was like, babe,
I got something to tell you. He was like what
And then I told him and he was like, oh,
who cares. It's like, it's not a big deal. He's like,

(48:58):
you're beautiful now no moment she knew she would marry.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
I know.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
And he was like, you're beautiful, and now everybody else
knows how And I was like, I was like okay.
And then after that it took me a little while,
but then after that I was like, Okay, maybe I
can start doing this. And the reason that you bring
it up is because one of the thoughts that came
to me, you know, because first of all, I knew
I couldn't get it down.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
It's on the Internet's there forever, of course.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
And then my second thought was like, how can I
be so how can I be ashamed of this? And
how can I be embarrassed about this? If this is
what I asked, would I shoot of other women?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
And I was like, it takes a certain better than them. Yeah,
we are constantly unlearning these ideas we have, you know,
whether we've been raised that way or they're in our heads.
Are just that's what society tells us that we are
supposed to believe, you know. And that's the thing is
like you're able to have absolutely your own boundaries with

(49:55):
them doing whatever it is that you want. But it's
like we're all the same, We're all at the same level,
and that's what's going to create, you know, community is
undoing those ideas.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
And I don't know, like.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I'm I'm so grateful that I have been able to this.
This job has made me so much more open minded
and so much more accepting of women, And not that
I wasn't accepting women, of women that were so much
different than myself and so much more understanding. And when
I didn't understand something and be like, Okay, I'm going

(50:28):
to listen to podcasts about this instead of instead of
googling things right or looking up studies, I'm going to
listen to what sex workers actually have to say, right,
you know. And it's one of those things a lot
of times you don't know what it's like until you
are it, and then all of a sudden you're like, Okay, well,
if you or do I have asked me X amount
of years ago how I would feel about this being

(50:50):
my job now, it probably would have been mortified. But
I'm sitting here right now and I'm so happy. Yeah,
you know, I just had this idea in my head
of what it.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
Would be like for me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
So, but yeah, it was It just made me think
of that because I was like, how can I like
be you know, how can I act like I'm ashamed
of this, I'm embarrassing when I am like.

Speaker 4 (51:09):
Well, this is what I'm doing, this is what I
do with other people.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, so it's like I can't anyways. But it came
down to more that like I'm just not that. I mean, look,
I don't even like watching myself have sex in a mirror,
much less film.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
It and put it on the internet.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
So like I don't do like hard core like it's
just and it's not that I would be ashamed of it.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
It's even for that for that though too, that I
just like, I mean, like there's certain things that I
don't want to do in my own forum. We're all out,
you know, to have our own boundaries regarding whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Yeah, I mean I wish I was braver because i'd
make a lot more money, but I just like, I just.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I can like I'm just like I just being any
sort of liberated woman in this day and ages.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
And it's funny because obviously I didn't get any sense
of like shame from my upbringing, right, yeah, so like
it wasn't that You're like, what gave me this?

Speaker 4 (51:55):
Like yeah, to myself, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
I just I think I'm just like naturally not I'm
actually better at marketing other people than I am, like
of myself even just like like I feel stupid doing tiktoks.
Oh okay, oh.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
My gosh, I feel so dumb, but like you do
really well, and I'm like I got to do more.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
But I love filming other people doing see there you
go when I.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Do it for stupid, like I'm the mind behind that.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
So it's not it's not the sex of a nudity.
I'm just very embarrassed by myself as a person. I'm
just ashamed that I don't be. So let's talk about
your movement into mainstream studio work. So you did your
debut with Browsers, So tell us, like, how did they
approach you?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
What made you decide to go with them? The whole,
the whole nine yards. I've been getting asked for a
long time. Yeah, I'm surprised. I don't want to be like, yeah,
but I don't. It was kind of like I had
only done my self produced scenes. I've self produced three
hundred at this point, and it was kind of like,

(53:00):
I feel like I want to just try something different
for the sake of doing it. And then also it
was kind of like, I feel like I'm at the
top of my game right now. I want the experience
and I'm a learner, I'm a listener. I like to
be able to and I was like, all of my
peers are people who have done mainstream shoots. And then

(53:21):
maybe a part of it in my head was like, Okay,
now these people can't say them can't say I'm not
a porn stuff. Yeah, yeah, they can Sam, Yeah, So
I was like, okay, like ft, we're going to do it.
So I finally I reached out to Browsers. I had
had communications with some other people, but I ended up
going with Browsers because I had a close relationship with

(53:43):
porn Hub from years back. They were the first people
to ask me to sign it, you know, the conventions
AVN and things like that.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Your video went viral on that platform, and so I
knew a lot of the people because it had We
traveled together and.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
Done Venus Berlindi together. There's a couple events that I attended.
And the thing is is they had never they had
never treated me, they had never looked down on me.
They had always been kind to me and treated me
very well. They had never treated me like lesser than
because I was an independent performer, which is something that

(54:19):
sometimes you have to navigate being an independent performer, which
there's certain things about it that I do I understand
because I think there's plenty of independent performers who maybe
aren't as good on you know, a regular set, but
I don't think that necessarily makes them any less or
more of a performer. It's you know, it's a nuanced thing.

(54:40):
But they had never treated me like I was any less,
and I was like, I'm comfortable with everybody from this company.
I've had long term working relationships with so many people,
and so.

Speaker 4 (54:50):
When I told them, I was like, Okay, I'm ready.
They were like, so I was.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Really excited, and they allowed me to think of one
the plots for one of the scenes that we did.
I'm doing like a scene package, so there's a couple
more to come. They generally that's yeah, which has also
been really fun because they've been able to like try
and do a lot of new things, and you know,

(55:17):
it's really it was kind of a relief. I don't know,
maybe I had this idea in my head just because
of kind of the the doubts that other people give you,
But I was like, what if I show up to
set and I'm not able to do it?

Speaker 4 (55:28):
What if and.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
People all the people that have told me, all the
other performers.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Who have told me that you couldn't do it, and
I'm and.

Speaker 3 (55:35):
They're right, And it was so I'm like, this is
already what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
What are you?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
But then I also think there's like there's like a
level of you know, performing that I try and bring
to my amateur content.

Speaker 4 (55:50):
So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I've been doing a couple different scenes and really enjoying it.
It's been really fun. It's definitely like a different way
of doing things, and it's really interesting staying kind of
it's much different kind of getting a script, you know,
rather than what I'm used to doing, which is a
lot of role playing, a lot of stuff off the dome.
Like when Jack and I work together most of the time,

(56:13):
there is no script. We go over it, idea of
what we're doing. Here's the bullet points. These are the
plot points that we're hitting, and then we riff. You know.

Speaker 4 (56:21):
It's all just improv, which is a talent into itself.
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
It's one of those things where I'm like, I really
got hone in on this.

Speaker 4 (56:27):
I should take a class.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Yeah, but I really enjoy doing it versus getting a
script and being like, okay, and then how can I
make this my own? What kind of emotion do I
want to put into this? What kind of character do
I want to play? How is it going to read?
How do I play off this other person. It's just
a different way of kind of going over it and

(56:50):
doing it. And they were nice enough. Yeah, to let
me think of one of the ideas for one of
my scenes, which I'm twins in it, which is crazy.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
I saw the problem of for that's interesting. Was there
any like green screen work in that?

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Yeah, we did, like a split screen camera situation. It
was really fun and I'm just glad they let me
have a little crazy idea moment.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Yeah, they're good about that. Mm, They're definitely good about that.
So can you walk us through one of the scenes
that you had mentioned where you had to learn sword
fighting in a wedding dress and covered in blood.

Speaker 3 (57:26):
I was also like a little I was like, oh
my gosh, of course, the first time I wear a
wedding dress, isn't it my own wedding.

Speaker 4 (57:31):
It's at a porn How dumb is that?

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I've been
married twice and I've never won a wedding dress.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
To be either of them. Both of them were like
in a courthouse, did you wear white at least?

Speaker 3 (57:44):
No, that's awesome, but yeah I did. I was in
a digital playground feature, which I'm so happy that Ricky
was willing to take me on kind of un I
don't know, yes, see, Yeah, I hadn't seen me interacting
with you know, a crew or anything like that. So
I'm very very grateful. And it's a movie that will

(58:07):
be coming out where it's me and my sister Ran
read and we sword fight in the movie. And so
when he kind of pitched the movie to me and
he was like, oh, you'll be fighting and you have
to do a couple months of training beforehand before the
actual movie, I was like, Oh, sign me up.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I love a challenge. Okay, this is so unfair. I'm
gonna tell you why this is so unfair. Okay, I
shot a movie for Digital Playground. I know this was
a long time ago. So everybody who's at Alo now,
I can't yell at you, but the people before, the
people before you.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
It was called Quest the worst experience in my life.
Oh my gosh, does everything went wrong?

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Like the Quest? For myself? No question for it was
like drag dungeons and dragons themed.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
So I had to shoot. This is the worst. This
is the hardest scene I've ever shot in my life.
And it invited store playing and it was Jada Stevens
and Derek and it was one hundred and fifteen out
and she was like a like a berserker and she
had to fight him with the sword. And they only
gave me like a guide to come in for twenty

(59:14):
minutes before the scene to do a little practice with
like nerve swords. That's all we got, all the training
and she got and then they were like here you go,
now do do a good job. Yeah, I mean, and
she was in high heel boots on like wood chips
in one hundred and fifteen degree weather with a really
heavy black cape on.

Speaker 4 (59:33):
We'll say it was. It wasn't one hundred and fifteen.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
It was probably one hundred in where we where we filmed, really,
but yeah, I was like, oh, I'm glad they have
training for that, cause they should have training for that cast.
So it's absolutely ridiculous to expect somebody to It was
so insane that that's all I got, and I had
to beg them for that. I feel like that's what
so much of porn is though, whether or not you're

(59:57):
doing like action sequences or sex, they're just like okay,
now go yeah, and you're like okay, yeah, you know,
like how do I make sure that my body is
at the right angle and that the lighting is you know,
it's all these things that are.

Speaker 4 (01:00:13):
Going through your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, so much of it is just like winging it
in a way, you know, and being able to read
your scene making. Yeah, but yeah, I was really I'm
glad that I was able to get some training. Now
I'm like, I guess I know some basic sword fighting,
and then there are some crazy there's some crazy scenes.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
I do end up covered in blood.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I which when they did the spray I wear contacts,
fluff got in my eye and it dyed my contact red,
like the whole lens Like they're just clear conduct, but
I turned the whole of my lens so I had like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
A red eye, which probably looked red. It looked crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
But then I had to take my contact out and
then I'm having to do this sword fighting with only
one contact.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
Then I was like, I need opera glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
I was.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
Too, so I feel you're paying. Yeah, it was ridiculous.
And then my drive home, I'm like, this is not legal,
like trying to figure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Out how to see like it was just an absolutely
ridiculous experience.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Wow, but we did it. I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I'm excited to see the final results. So it hasn't
come out yet, know what's the movie. I don't even
know what that what it's called.

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
There's like a working title, but I don't even know
if I'm allowed to say it or any Okay, gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
I feel like they saw promo for this already, really
like crazy, yeah, because it was like you and like
your sister.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Yeah, but I did you see photos? Yeah? I think
so there was like there has been, like any I
don't know where. I don't want to be the first
to say it if I'm not allowed to.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Well, I mean, I'm not shooting for I'm not shooting
for browsers anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
So it's not like they sent me like, yeah, Prietar
to go scour the internet. I didn't get I think
Ricky like tweeted about it. And that's the only thing
that's I swear. Okay, I don't know. I'm old. My
memory is not.

Speaker 3 (01:02:07):
I waited a picture of us Ryan and I, She
and I we're like trauma bonded. Now.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Yeah, that was like one of our first times like
really interacting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
It's like going to sword fighting together and then being
this insane feature that filmed over like a week and
ten days, you know, and so now we're like super
tight We're like, we work so well together, and we.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Know that we do because we've been through the craziness.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Of Yeah, those crazy features really like bring you Together.
Do you know when it's releasing any particularly no idea
hopefully too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
I won't see it. I'm gonna have a premiere at
my own house.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
What's next for Ellie Clutch? Any dream collaborations or projects
we should watch out for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
So I have been filming with Browsers, so I do
have There's some scenes that are coming out that I
am incredibly excited for, and then there's some personal project
that I am working on. I'm really trying to take
what I'm learning and apply it into my own work.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Yeah, it is a great like kind of Yeah, I
just realized it's a good like boot camp.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
It is. It really is, And it's just like a
different way of doing things, you know. And so I'm like, Okay,
I'm going to take everything i can from this and
put it in my brain. So I'm going to be
working out some larger projects that I'm super super excited
on that are going to be self produced, So keep
an eye on those, and then other than that, just

(01:03:35):
continuing to try and put my all into everything I do,
continuing to expand continuing to try to not be censored.

Speaker 4 (01:03:44):
That whole bit.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
And I'm trying to, you know, do some more things evolving,
some fashion things, modeling stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
So I'm really excited for those.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
I just want to continue to prove that sex workers
are more than the box that the world puts us in.

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
So I love that. I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
That's a great line for us to end this episode on.
Thank you so much for coming on, Solon, Thank you
so much for having me. Can you tell everybody where
they can find you online?

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
So my Instagram right now is your sister's BFF, which
is from that video.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Now that now, because I was wondering what that handlement.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
Now now it makes sense why you are s I
s T or s BFF is going to be my
Instagram handle. My Twitter is Lli Clutch XO, and then
you can find me. My website is Lli Clutch dot
vi P e l l y C l U t
c H dot vi P.

Speaker 4 (01:04:40):
Google me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
My final little video of her on pornhab. If you
live in one of the I don't know ten states,
that can still.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Right what I'm saying, or you can subscribe somewhere and
see it all there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
So that's true. That hasn't been blocked yet.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Anyways, we're going to end on a positive note. Thank you,
Thank you guys so much for watching. Of course, you
can catch me on Instagram and Twitter at Holly Randall.
I've got to Holly links dot com for access to
all of my platforms. Yes, I am on OnlyFans. It
is OnlyFans dot com slash Holly Randall, So come over

(01:05:17):
and say hi. You can see my titties, be very unimpressed,
and then unsubscribe.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Oh please, They're not too bad. My ass is better
than that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
And of course, if you want to support this podcast
and get access to these live streams, get access to
the bonus Q and A that we're going to do
right after this and other pieces of fabulous content, go
to Patreon dot com slash Holly Randall Unfiltered.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
Thank you guys so much for being here, and I'll
see you on the next one.

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