I Don’t Need Saving: Gal Ritchie on Sex Work, Power & Choice

This week on Holly Randall Unfiltered, we sit down with the fiercely unapologetic and refreshingly candid Gal Ritchie—a rising star whose journey from professional dominatrix in the UK to award winning adult performer is anything but ordinary. In this episode, Gal opens up about her early beginnings, and the unconventional upbringing that shaped her confidence. With a progressive mother who brought her to burlesque shows and avant-garde art performances about sexuality, Gal was encouraged from a young age to explore her identity as a performer—not shamed for it. She talks about how this open environment helped her make safer, more informed choices in sex work and why she feels proud—not victimized—by the path she’s chosen. Gal also shares what it was like shooting her first adult scenes, winning the coveted Best New Performer at XBiz and AVN, navigating cultural differences after moving to Los Angeles, and what it’s like building friendships outside the industry. She offers razor-sharp insights into stigma, empowerment, and the freedom of separating sex from emotion. This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about the power of self-expression, the realities of sex work, and the courage it takes to live life on your own terms. ____________________________________________________________ Patreon members get the VIP treatment: uncensored, ad-free, and a bonus Q&A! Want the inside scoop? Join us at patreon.com/hollyrandallunfiltered for exclusive content and more! Support our show by supporting our sponsors! Want bigger, healthier loads? Visit https://vb.health/products/load-boost/ and use code [ HOLLY] for 10% off  Try your first month of BlueChew FREE when you use promo code HOLLY -- just pay $5 shipping. Visit https://bluechew.com/

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. Before we
get started, I actually want to give a shout out
to a new app. They are not sponsoring this show,
they are not giving me money, but I really love
the people working there. One of the people is Laura Desiree,
who's one of my favorite people. And this is actually
just a really really cool app and it's great for creators,

(00:46):
and I know that there's a lot of people in
the industry who listen to this show. So it's called
Player and it's actually it's kind of like a Tender
for the adult industry. It's a location based networking app
for creators by creators. Think like LinkedIn meets Grinder or Tender,
and it's for content creators who are looking to connect,

(01:08):
collaborate and grow. It has verified profiles in app chat,
travel planning, collab scheduling. It makes it easy to find
trusted collaborators wherever you are. So basically like if you're
traveling and you're in another state or even in another
country and you want to collab with other creators, but
you don't know anyone around, you can use this app

(01:29):
and you can find them and everybody's verified, everyone's ky seed.
There's also like reviews in there, so you can check
and make sure you know that people are trustworthy. And yeah,
this is where you can find other people that you
can work with. And it's a really great way for
you to connect with other creators, especially if you're new
and you're kind of getting started and you don't know people.

(01:50):
So I just think it's a really really great way
to you know, broaden your collab base. And I just
really love them, and I think it's a really great
tool for creators, and I just wanted to give them
a shout out, especially with x BIS Miami coming up,
where I know a lot of people are going to
be going to and they're going to want to find
other people to work with. So it's player. It's spelled

(02:13):
p l a IR and you can download and sign
up today. It's available on the app Store and go
check it out because I think it's pretty awesome. So
my guest today is somebody who I'm so excited to
have on. I've been trying to get her on for
a hot minute. Here She took home the award for
avn's Best New Starlet and exbus is Best New Performer.

(02:37):
She moved to LA from the UK less than two
years ago and is already the adult industry's next big star.
Welcome Gala, Richie.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Thank you one introduction, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Of course. No, I'm so excited to have you here.
You've I remember when you first started working, there was
already like a buzz about you, and people were telling
me like, oh my god, you know gal Ricci, She's
really great. You would love her. I think when did
you start actually working in adults?

Speaker 4 (03:09):
So I start My first scene I found was June
twenty twenty three, but I moved he August twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
Okay, because I think like you started just when I
stopped directing. Really yeah, because I remember. I know because
I remember someone saying like you got to shoot her,
and I was either like I'd stopped or I was
about to stop, and I was like, I hope I
get to work with her before I stopped. Yeah, and
then sadly not didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
It would have been amazing. Yeah, no, another lifetime.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, I mean, you know, like never say never I'm
not so sort of directing, okay, like three D holograms
for X week. But anyways, and look, I'm I'm not
like completely out of the game. I'm just I directed
my focus.

Speaker 3 (03:56):
Yeah, it's just a different bit in the industry.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah, I'm just trying new avenues. You know, I may
come who knows, may come back? Full circle. Life's weird
like that.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
So true, that's true, it is.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah. So when did you actually permanently move here to La?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:12):
So I moved officially to La and August twenty twenty three.
I'd come for two weeks in June to try out
to see how I liked it, and then yeah, I'm
went back home and packed up two suitcases. I quit
my civvy job, and I moved out her August twenty
twenty three, which is almost two years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wow, so you came out here and then literally like
two months later, you moved out here.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
My whole life.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
I moved my whole life out her, and I knew
no one.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I only knew Speaker.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wow, your agent my agent? Yeah, so how did you like?
How did you find you? How did you get out here?
How did you get to that point?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
I basically harassed him for the good part of two years.
If I'm doing something, I get very methodical about how
I want to do it. I research everything. So when
I decided that I wanted to partake in the adult
film industry, I looked at who I think are some

(05:14):
of the most successful girls in the industry and who
represented them, and Mark Spiegeler's name came up, and so
then I basically did every form of online media I
could find. I looked at so like podcast interviews, anything
written down or watched or whatever. I've listened to that,

(05:37):
including yours, the one you did with Gina, right, Yeah, yeah,
that was. It's really funny. Actually I used to.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
One where he was like, I'll do your shower as
long as I can answer, and sure enough he took
a car.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
We all had the same Mark voice when we do
it as well. It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
So I would listen to your podcast you did with him.
On my long I would go on these long walks
in the country where I'm from, we have like a
river and I would do these long, like two hour
walks back and forth listening to God, I sound like
a stalker listening to your interview with him and kind

(06:16):
of like imagining myself in lad listen to it a million.
I could probably recite some of the podcast I know.
And now you're like, help get me out. Yeah no
as yeah, so yeah, there was there's a few podcasts
that I reckon I could recite.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Because he wasn't he was on he was on No
Jumper I think.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
Yeah, yours No Jumper te t Boy. He did one
like back in the day that I also listened to.
There was another one I can't remember the name of it.
Oh God, I can't remember the name of it. And
then the documentary he did, Patron of the Tarts. I
could probably recite that word for word. I showed, like
my mum that documentary, my best friend that documentary.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
My mum had to watch that like three or four times.
I made to watch it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
So I did like a lot of a lot of
research on him. And then when I made my mind
up and I was like, Okay, I really actually want
to do this, I sent him as he asked for
a well worded email with professional photos, and I got
a call and it was from George who's like Mark's
number two and speaks or Mark. I need to call

(07:30):
him one thing, so it doesn't confusing. Mark was in
the hospital in a coma.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, he was sick for a while. We weren't sure
if he was going to make it.

Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, and George was like, now, it's probably not the
best time, you know, But we kept in contact for
about a year.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
From my head, Mark being like, I'll go into a
comma as long as I can answer my phone, doing.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
It probably something he said, yeah, oh yeah. And then
when he came out of the coma, I'm sure not immediately,
but George was like, there's a girl from England. She's interested.
Do you want to have conversation with her? And so
then I spoke to him and he's very good. He
only wants people that are determined. So he shuts the

(08:15):
door on you a lot because he wants you to
be like, hi, I'm interested. He wants you to reopen it,
you know, and he does that a few times. I think,
until you show him how much you want the job,
which I think is why I want to say, pretty
much all of the girls on his roster and have
been on his roster, I want to be in the
industry because they love the job, they're responsible, they want

(08:35):
to do it because they like the performing aspect of it.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
They like sex.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, how does he shed the door on you?
So do you seel like I'm not interested? Go away
no crack?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yes, yes, he gives you like Spiegeler challenges, so he'll
be like sorry, He'll be like, okay, you're interested. Well,
these photos aren't good enough. I need what does he say?

Speaker 3 (09:02):
I need?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
Straight up and down side view? Like, he gives you
a specific way. He wants you to take photos and
send them to him, and then I think he sees
how long it takes you to do it, so then
like within the day, I send him the photos. As
soon as I got off the phone, I send him
the photos. And then he's like he just replies like
thank you for the photos or whatever. Then I call
him again, So what's the next step?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
You know, what can I do for now?

Speaker 4 (09:26):
And then he sets a date and time that he
wants you to call him to see how good you
are at timekeeping and stuff. So I did that, and
then he does that with Skype or Zoom or FaceTime
or whatever the same day and time situation. And then
he asks you like a series of questions and he
always says this it's the moment before the answer, not

(09:48):
the actual answer. On how you tell what a person
actually means on like why you like sex, why you
want to be in the industry, why, a whole bunch
a plethora of questions that helps you or him find
out who you are as a person and your motivations
for joining the industry, which I think why what he

(10:10):
finds most important in who he picks or who he
agrees to represents people's motivations for being in the job
more than what they look like or who they are.
He's not too bothered about that, you know, it's why
you want to do that and your attitude towards towards it.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, yeaheah, I mean those the obviously, like what you
look like, it's stuff matter too, because he has to
be able to sell you, right, I mean it's a
visual job.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
But yeah, definitely, I think it's secondary though, yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, I mean to be because to be as Spiegler
girl is not easy, Like it's for people who don't know, Like,
maybe let them know, like what is required of you
to be as Spiegeler girl, Like what are some of
the things that maybe he wants from town that perhaps
other agents wouldn't be so strict about.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
So I think he has got more lenient, you know.
I think back in the day.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I would say, for sure, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:08):
It was a whole nother level. I think maybe because
he feels totally responsible for me because I moved here
not knowing anyone. I'm held, I would say, to higher standards,
almost as high as how tough he was back in
the day, and not everyone else is anymore. I have

(11:31):
to answer my phone basically the first time it rings.
I have to answer a text as soon as I
get it. There's no waiting around.

Speaker 3 (11:39):
If I have work.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
I'm not to cancel work unless I'm on my deathbed.
I've only canceled I want to say, two jobs since
being here for almost two years, and both were times
I basically couldn't get out of bed.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
I was so sick.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
And even then I was like, oh, go if I
need to, you know, and they were the ones to
be like, no, it's okay, we don't want you ill
on set. You need to be on time, as he says,
on time, as late early as on time. Professional. You know,
even if you're having a bad day, you don't go

(12:15):
on set. And like Strop about and complain the whole time.
And it's different if, you know, if you're being asked
to do things that are against your boundaries. But if
it's stuff like it's a long day, it's kind of
get over it, you know, or your shoes hurt or whatever.
You're there to do a job, and you're there to

(12:35):
act as professional as if you were in an office
based job. You know, it doesn't matter that you're on
set for a bunch of people and you're doing sex work, like,
it doesn't matter. You know, you act in the same
accordance as you were if you were in an office.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well sounds about right, Yeah, sounds like Mark. All right,
So let's let's talk about how we got to with
your decision. Yeah do porn? Yes, So let's start from let'school.
Let's rewind a little bit rid back. How did you
get to that place where you even decided to come work?

Speaker 4 (13:10):
So when I was eighteen, I started in cam work.
That was my first sex worker job.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I enjoyed the performance aspect of it being watched by
someone online. I found a massive turn on. But I
didn't like the aspect of it being very heavily disconnected.
You know, I'm not in the room with the person.
I find it really hard to match the energy because
I'm not around them. So I tried that for a while,

(13:40):
and then I had a lot of requests from people
to do more dominant sessions on online on cam and
I did that for a while, and then I had
a guy offer me some money to meet him in
person and do a session, a domb session with him
in person, which I ended up doing, which was really

(14:01):
one of the most unsafe things I've ever done. I
like went up to London from my little village and
I did a corporate punishment session with this guy.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Were you nervous about it? Like, did you realize that
it was an unsafe situation at the time or did
I not realize that till after.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I had so much adrenaline, I don't think any form
of safety issue was going through my brain. I was
so excited, and I'm not from money, so although now
the amount of money probably is lesser to me, in
my head at the time, I was like, I'm going
to make what in my hand from doing what, you know,
So I went and I basically the good part of

(14:38):
half an hour just beat the fuck out of him,
and afterwards he said, you're really good at this, you know,
like you'll vet, you have a very good way with
your words. You could do this professionally if you wanted to.
There's courses where you can get trained to do this
in a safe way and work in very upscale dungeons

(14:59):
and London. And so I then did my whole thing
where I do all my research, and I found a
school called I think it's called the London School of Domination,
and I contacted them and I trained under a mistress
for five months in a dungeon.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
So I learned.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Not only like the niche of fetish and BDSM as
a whole, but also everything that comes with that, so
health and safety practices, consent boundaries, where to hit someone,
where to not hit someone, how to not leave marks aftercare,
everything that comes with that form of play.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
What do you think is like the most valuable thing
that you learned there, Like the one thing that sticks
out to you?

Speaker 3 (15:46):
Communication? Okay, I think is probably key.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
I would say communication as in like your client letting
you know where their boundaries lie.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Yeah, I think throughout the session, you know, prior during play,
and then post a lot of the people I worked
with saw it as a therapy session. You know, a
lot of them had been through some traumatic experiences that
they were in some form living out in a controlled
environment to understand themselves more, or understand the situation that

(16:22):
happened to them, or take control mentally about the situation
that happened to them. And doing work like that is
very sensitive. So afterwards, you can't just be like bye,
see you.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Later, yeah, you know, you kind of help them like
unpack it.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Yeah, and sit down and kind of bring them back
to the real world. Almost like in my personal life,
I'm way more submissive, So I think because of that,
I can understand the feeling of a sub drop when
you take yourself out of the play after and it's
euphor it. It's the same as like coming down from
a drug. You know, you have to really take a

(16:57):
minute to sit down and breathe because you're kind of
like this, and then as soon as the emotions crash,
you can feel like shit. And I can imagine. I mean,
I haven't lived out traumatic experiences through BDSM, but that's
a whole other level, you know, And a lot of
the clients I would see, they'd come on their lunch
break from.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
Their office jobs.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Yeah, so they'd like come in their little suits from
the City of London with their financial banking jobs, come
and see me for an hour and then.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Go back to work, you know.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Or they were older guys, and these guys were so frail,
some of them, and I would put them up, you know,
like put a lot of weight on them, or do
a lot of heavy impact play. I really don't know
how they would do it, because I wouldn't be able
to do that amount of impact play in their like
skin and bones, a lot of And then afterwards you

(17:47):
sit them down with some juice and like let the sugar,
but probably like king along the tube on the way
back home to their wife or whatever.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
But yeah, so I got a lot of interesting that
I did that.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
For a while.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
I was a professional dom for about I want to say,
two years, year and a half two years, but I
got really burnt out. I was working a lot and
where being dominant doesn't come naturally to me, I really
had to put on a character.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
I played like that.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
I wasn't old enough to do the matronly vibe, so
I did like the bratty, mean girl at school, and
I was exhausted by it. I was exhausting by putting
on this mask every day. I'm a heavily empathetic and
kind person, so being mean to people doesn't come naturally
to me.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Yeah, And with the level of.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
The level of professional that I wanted to be, I
didn't want something to go wrong where I said the
wrong thing and it triggered someone or I wasn't on
the ball that day and I said, I don't know,
bitch instead of cook or whatever, you know, and that's
they're not okay with being called a bitch, and they're

(19:00):
really upset with me now. And it's such a small, small,
close knit industry, reputations everything, you know, as soon as
you fuck up somewhere, you're that's going to get out.
And so I decided to take a break before I
got too tired or someone. I don't think I would
ever snap or hurt anyone in that way, but verbally

(19:20):
you have to be so careful about what you say.
And I just got to the point where I didn't
care as much anymore, and I wanted, yeah, to take
breaks if I ever wanted to go back to that work.
My reptation stayed the same, so I took break. I
got into a vanilla line of work. I did technology recruitment,
so I recruited like software engineers for very big tech

(19:43):
companies in London.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
And it was fun. I liked it.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
I'm a very social person, so I enjoyed being in
the office and I had a great team that I
worked with. But it didn't excite me in any way, Like,
it didn't light this fire in my soul that sex
work does. And I got bored very quickly. I started
fancizing about fucking all the guys in the office.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
You know, did you At the end?

Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, I went on a bit of a rampage when
I knew I was leaving. Yeah, And I told my
boss what I was off to go do as well,
which was so thrilling to sit down my boss and
be like, so I'm going to go do an old
film and he's like, and I'm like, yep, and I'm
leaving bye. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
It was great, But.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
How did he take it?

Speaker 3 (20:35):
He was great.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
I love him, Harry, I love you. He was fantastic.
He is a very young boss. He treated me like
his younger sister, so he was more concerned for like
my welfare and safety than he was the job itself.
And I think he was so shocked he didn't quite
like just the biggest grim was on his face, like
what the fucking yeah. And then he went and told

(20:59):
the company direc because he was like, I can't tell
because I was like, I don't need to tell anyone
until I've said it to them. I've told you because
I need to give you like a month's notice. But
I'm not telling anyone yet until it's like a week
before I leave, because I don't want to be the
horror of the office. Everyone's staring at me while I'm
at my computer.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Trying to make calls.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
But he went and to the company director because he
was so like just adrenaline, don't know what to do.
But yeah, but I'm still I'm still friends with a
lot of people in that company. Like when I go
back home for Christmas, I go to the office Christmas parties,
Oh my god, which is really funny.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, it's great though, it's great.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
But yeah, So then I quit and yeah, I moved
here like a month after quitting my job. Yeah, I
served my month's notice and then I moved out her.

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Speaker 3 (24:11):
Came out of his coma.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, got him out him his coma. Convinced him to
bring you out here. So what was your first scene?

Speaker 4 (24:19):
So my first scene was for Team Ski with Charles Arrah.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
What great for his experience. We love Charles.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
I had the biggest crush on him.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
Oh really all the time.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah, I have a list. I've said this so many times.
I've had a list. I have a list on my
phone that I've had since I started watching porn, and
it's like my favorite porn stars and pawn links. A
lot of them now like don't even work anymore. And
his name is like very high up on the list
of like the first porn star that I started watching.
Really and yeah, so working with him for my first scene,

(24:54):
I was shitting at I was so nervous.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
And he was amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
He's so nice.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
He was lovely fantastic.

Speaker 4 (25:01):
He's so funny and charismatic as well, like someone who's
very easy.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
To talk to.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
He's also like genuinely really kind and very helpful. Yes too, Yeah,
He's like a really genuine person.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, And it actually wasn't even meant to be with him,
but they had to switch out the talent last minute,
so I didn't find out I was working with him
till the morning off, so I had no time to
prepare my brain of like, oh my god, you're going
to be working this person you really fancy.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And I turned up. I was like, Hi, it's nice
to me, but yeah, it was great.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
And he turned up and like I remember, he was
wearing like boot cut jeans, this big silver chain cowboy boots,
and I was like drawling as he walked and like,
oh my god, I get to work with this person.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
I get paid.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
But yeah, my scene was it was good. It was
a good first scene. It was an easy first It
was like classic like step stuff. Yeah. And then I
went to work on like my first week here. I
basically just worked for Team Ski. I did like a
whole week working.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Which was kind of good. Speaks through me.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
He asked me first, but kind of threw me in
at the deep end a little bit, as in like
I wasn't doing like one day and then like a
four day break. It was like you want to work.
This was gonna be like you know, and I appreciate that.
And then my one of my first scenes back was
for Vixen, which is like, it's a different production scale,

(26:30):
you know, So going from like a cameraman talent and
that's sometimes just a you know, maybe a photographer, maybe not,
to a crew of twenty people was insane. It was insane.
I was so nervous, but.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
Yeah, I think it was.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
That was like, if you asked me, one of the
things that I didn't expect about the industry. I didn't
think about the scales of production, you know, and how
Syriah the production has taken. You know, I knew the
talent take it seriously, but I didn't think about the
behind the scenes of the amount of jobs that revolve
in the industry that isn't purely talent based, and the

(27:14):
scale of the amount of people and the sets that
they make, and all the effort that goes into everything,
you know, the crew that are on all of these sets,
especially the big ones, Like I would even thought about that,
And now it's one of my favorite things of the
job is going on set and talking to the crew.

(27:34):
It's one of my favorite things I look forward to.
Like I have lots of individual friendships, I would say,
with all the different crews that you work with, which
is why I love working for so many different companies
as well, because you develop so many weird, niche relationships
with everyone and it's so funny. It really humanizes the
job in a lovely way because you'll be like doing

(27:54):
the physicality of the job one minute, and then you'll
take a water break and you'll be asking the cameraman
how like what his wife made him planche or whatever,
you know, while you're both trying to have a snack quickly.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Like.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
It really humanizes the job in a whole some way. Yeah,
which I wish was captured more by people.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, I mean, that's what's great about the adult industry,
and what also makes it a little bit unique and
different from the mainstream industry is that it's always the
same people. So in the mainstream industry, a lot of times,
you like as a say a director or a photographer,
you get hired by different brands and then the producer
of that brand puts the crew together, so you often

(28:32):
don't work with the same people you get And obviously
the mainstream industry is really big, right, but an adult
generally like the because specific brands have like their specific
directors or photographers and yeah, and they tend to have
their people and they hire the same people all the time,

(28:52):
so you have like these little family units y right
for each brand, and so yeah, it's it's you work
with like these different family and it's always the same people. Yeah,
it's yeah, it's really nice because you do like it's
like you get to go to work with like your
friends all the time. And it also makes the production
really nice from like the producer standpoint, because you get

(29:15):
to know, you get to anticipate what your director wants. Yeah,
you know, you get to anticipate what you know the.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Day is going to go.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, exactly, Like you know the needs of each other
and you figure out like how to work together. And
your working relationship is a lot more symbiotic.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Where is it more of like a nine to five.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yeah, And there's more of a flow and it's it's easier,
whereas like on these a lot of these big mainstream sets,
it's like these people never work together and there's like
that weird getting.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
To show between each other.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, it's yeah. I always never like I could never
imagine working like that every day, like every like somebody knew,
Like that's what I love about working in porn.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Yeah, for sure, I didn't know that about mainstream.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah. So what was so now you're living in LA? Yes,
what is like the biggest difference between like the UK
and LA like cultures so.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Many I'm still still feel really out of place in LA.
I don't know whether I ever will feel super comfortable here,
but it's weird because now I don't feel super comfortable
back home either, you know, in this weird leeway position
where home.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Doesn't quite feel like home.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
It's nostalgic but doesn't quite feel like home, and here
doesn't feel homely either. I'd say the main difference is
I mean when I first moved here, I don't drive,
and didn't drive in England.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
I didn't need to.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Where I'm from is a very small place. You can
walk around everywhere, or if you want to go somewhere further,
you jump on a train or a bus. You know,
no one in my family drives a car. I didn't
have a TV a lot of the time growing up,
and then I moved out here and everything revolves around
having a car. I find that really difficult. The accessibility

(31:09):
here I used to If you think about your day
to day life, right, I'm used to like, if I
want to pop out the house back home, I'll go
and do this, and then I'll walk here and i'll
do that, errand and then I'll go here and I'll
do this and da here.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
You have to plan your day around traffic.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
So if you're going to go grocery shopping and then
you want to see your friend, sometimes you have to
choose which one you know, and you won't always have
time to do both. And that's something I really struggled with.
And then also not having a car impacts that further.
That was a really big effect for me. I used
to very outdoors y life, so I'd spend a lot

(31:47):
of time not in my house. I now spend most
of my time in my apartment. If not, it's on set.
And if I want to go for a hike here,
I have to uber to an outdoors space to then
go on a walk today and uber back home. I
find that's so weird. It's so strange, you know. And
I know that's particular to.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
La and we say like people, we say, I mean,
La people are really flaky. But I think, honestly a
lot of it is because everything takes so long to
get to and traffic is such a problem. It really is,
you know, like I don't go out to a lot
of events also because I'm just old and I have
a kidden over it. But I mean like it'll take

(32:28):
me an hour to get to Hollywood, yeah, and then
an hour to get home. That's two hours out of
my day just to go somewhere.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I'm like, yeah, I don't want to go, and then
you've got to add on another hour if it's traffic.
You know, like it's just it's insane. That was really difficult,
speaking of like flakiness. The communication style here is really different.
I've found that people and I have Israeli family, mm hmm.
So I'm used to very direct methods of communication. So

(32:56):
like if I want to talk to someone, I'll go
and have a conversation with them, or if I don't
want to talk to someone, I won't hear.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Everything seen as a networking opportunity.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
So everyone's talking to everyone not purposely because they actually
want to talk to them, because there's a viewpoint which
isn't necessarily a negative. It's just a different way of
doing things. It's kind of what can I get out
of this person? Again, not necessarily in a negative, but
just in a business sense, or how can I talk

(33:25):
to this person in a way that then I can
use to do something else and talk to it. It's
so weird and I it's networking. It's what it is,
and I'm not used to that at all.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Ways about climbing the social.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
Life, and that was really hard for me when I
moved her and started to try and make friends. You know,
I've never had someone say let's go get lunch and
then never talk to me again. Like I was like, yeah,
that's how people say goodbye now, like and I it's
so different. It's so different, you know, but it's like
sadly because business is put first here, which I understand.

(34:02):
I moved here for a job, you know, I moved
here for my career. I get that. It means that
social relationships come secondary or they have to be a
plus two business. And yeah, big learning curve being challenged,
Like how I communicate with people I really had to relearn,
and how I personalized friendships and work relationships I really

(34:26):
had to change as well. That was really difficult. I
think LA's a very lonely place. A lot of people
who live in La aren't from La. I do wonder
how people haven't or don't, you know, die from loneliness more.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
Yeah, I do know, because it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
I'm lucky enough that I've made a few good friendships
that exist outside of the industry. I also think within
our industry, we're already have so much stigma going against us.
It's hard to branch out of the industry and make
good relationships or friends ships.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
That don't make you a freak show.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
You know, people aren't like, people don't want to The
conversational relationship doesn't rove around you being in the industry.
It should revelve on you as a person and what
you're like, not your job, and why that makes you
interesting or cool, you know. And I think sex work
is slightly having this social come up, especially since of
has had the rise. That side of the sex industry

(35:29):
has become more acceptable to the point where now people
are finding it like it's like a trait, you know,
It's like you're kind and you also do sex work
like it's cool. And I found that quite difficult, you know.
But then equally, I'm not someone that goes out a lot,
so I'm not going to make friendships at a bar

(35:51):
or like when am I gonna, like have an interesting
conversation with someone at the grocery shop.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Like I'm just not.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
But I think it's important to have friends outside of
the industry as well. But yeah, I'm lucky enough that
I've made like two good friends where they're adjacent. One
of them's indianustry and the other one's adjacent to so
she understands it. She strite scripts, but she's not necessarily
in it anymore, which is nice. But yet it was hard.

(36:19):
It's really hard moving. It's the hardest thing I've ever done. Yeah,
probably will ever do. I found it harder moving to
LA than I did starting the industry.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Yeah, you know, no, I get that. I I mean,
I grew up here, so I think it's a little
bit easier for me. But also, like really my closest
friends and the people I spend the most amount of
time with my family, Yeah, you know, like my closest
friends are my husband, my sister in law, my sister,

(36:49):
and my brother. You know, Like, I mean, I have
friends that I spend time with, but like really like
the people that I spend the most amount of time with,
especially now that we all have kids that are the
same age as my family. Yeah, no, I can't imagine
not having that. I think will be really hard.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
It was different.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I mean, I'm still very close with my mum, so
my mum comes out and visits me a lot.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
Same with my best friend from home.

Speaker 4 (37:14):
She comes out like every three months to come see me,
which makes it easier as well. When I first moved here,
that was kind of what I relied on, and I
will say like living with Spiegeler was the best thing
ever because I wasn't coming back home from these really
lively sets and going back to nothing can quietness, Like
there was a buzz in the house, even if it
was just Speedgler watching TV, which I think. I mean,

(37:37):
I'm sure a lot of the girls struggle with when
they move her for the work, you know, and maybe
why a lot of them end up living in model
houses because although you don't have your own space, at
least there's a form of I don't know this company,
this company back home. Yeah, but yeah, Speaks was my
best friend and I'd say still probably is one of

(37:58):
my best friends. Most of my spare time with him
and he is my version of family.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, you know, does he still have Spiekler things? Giving yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, it's great. It's really great, it's really cute.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah. So let's talk about your big wins. Yes, yes,
so you just to calm the award for Avin's Best
New Starlet and ex Buses's Best New Performer.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
The win, yes, double win.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
And I feel it's it still feels really surreal, like
I feel like I'm lying when I talk about it,
like it's not true. I wish I could be really
cool and nonchalant and say like, yeah, like I won,
it's cool, but awards.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Don't mean much. I care.

Speaker 4 (38:45):
I care, and I really wanted it. I really wanted it,
and I worked very hard last year for it. The
A v N Show was something that I watched when
I was back home. I'd watch it on YouTube and
I always fantasized it being one of the girls on stage.
So when I went to the show last year for

(39:05):
the first time, even just going to the.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Convention was insane.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
That was really it was a pinch me moment of
oh my god, this is what I do for a living.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
What the fuck?

Speaker 4 (39:17):
And then going on stage this year was like a
whole other level. I don't like people ask me like,
how does it feel. I don't really even remember, I
think because adrenaline kicks in so much. Yeah, completely black out,
and I'm someone who I get so nervous. I can't

(39:38):
do social speaking on stage at all. It's my idea
of hell, like, you could put me up there and
get me to a gang bang, I'd be so happy, But.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
Talking in front of an audience fuck that.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
So you're not alone in that.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
So I was like, I wouldn't say like I knew
I was gonna win. I would say that for AVM.
I was quietly confident in the fact that I know
I had a good body of work that I did,
and I did work really hard. But equally, I was
up against a lot of girls that have very big names,

(40:18):
one in social media, and two they'd done a lot
more in their careers body wise than I had, Like
I haven't even done anal and so I had that
really going against me. Experts I didn't see coming at all.
When they called my name, I had a moment of
ha ha, I have to go on stage now. And

(40:40):
that night I had a drink as well. Av and
I didn't because I was like, I might have to
go on stage and I'm not experts.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I was like, I can sit here and have a drink.
I'm gonna be fine.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So why did you Why did you not expect Experts
but thought maybe AVIN was in the cards.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
I think because experis again I was. I was up
against girls who have a large social media following, and
I feel like, I don't know, they've made more of
a more of a drop in the ocean in the

(41:16):
sex world more than I have. Whereas Avan, I know
that I had done a lot of like features and
stuff like that that I feel like maybe is valued
more by the different awards. Again, I didn't think that
I was going to get av and by any means,
but I had more hope for that than I did Experts.

(41:39):
It's still insane, it's still really weird to talk about.
I think because I wanted it. I really wanted it,
you know. I wish I could be cool about it,
but I can't. I really really wanted it, you know.
And it's nice that I did work really fucking hard
and it paid off. And it's equally nice to say
made this big jump across country and like started a
whole new life for myself or I knew.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
No one and.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
It paid off and people saw that I worked hard like,
that's a lovely feeling to be like that was appreciated.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, you know, what do you think were some of
the biggest contributing factors to your wind, Like, what were
some of the projects that you did last year that
you think were the strong pieces of work.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
God, I don't know what was out pre So I
won Best Feature as well. I was in that.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I didn't have a main part by any means, but
I was putting some great scenes. I worked in one
scene with Scott Nails and Kimmy Granger, which was amazing.
No for gold Diggers gold Diggers right, yes, no, you're good,
and that film was amazing, had so many great names,
and I also had another sex scene and with Ricky

(42:52):
Johnson and Abigail Mack, and those are such great names
to work with. I think that really contributed because people
they weren't watching the scenes for me, they were watching
them for the names, but they had to see me
in them, you know, And so I think that brought
more eyes to me.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
And to get Abigail Mack to do a proceed, come
back and do a proceed, She's amazing.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
She's incredible.

Speaker 4 (43:11):
So I think that that was probably one of the
best things. I somehow got lucky enough to be in
the Brass's twenty for twenty orgy. I still don't quite
know how I got in that, but I will not
question it and I'll take it. To be in that
with such legends, like the athletes of the industry, you know,

(43:32):
was insane.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Again, it was a very.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Like pinch me moment to not only like be working
with one of them, but in a room with like
the top performers at the moment of the industry was insane.
And I think alongside that, I and this is hard
for me to say because I don't like begging myself
up with it, but I was able to hold my

(43:54):
own in that room. I was able to last as
long as these people that have been in the industry
and take their jobs very seriously and are the best performers,
keep up with the athleticism. And I think that comes
across it's I was nervous going into that scene. I
was like, everyone's gonna look in place and then there's

(44:15):
going to be me, you know, and they're going to
be like, what is that girl panting in the corner
who can't take any more dick? And it was a
long time we filmed for almost an hour and a
half as long, and I didn't. At the end, I
still had loads of energy in me. And that also
shocked me because I was like, wow, Okay, it shocked me,

(44:39):
It really did. Yeah, I didn't think I'd be able
to hold my own in that room, and I was
able to. But being in that scene again, like, that's
such one The talent they put in that room was crazy,
and two at such momentous moment for the brand itself.
I think that really attributed to it too. I worked
for loads and loads of different companies. I think that

(45:00):
great speakers amazing at taking new girls around and introducing
them to people. I think it's very different and I
think it's a lot of It's something that maybe more
agents should do. You can send an email with a
photo of a girl's face about how many companies are
getting that a week if you go take the girl
in person, or you take them to sell, or you
take them to office. It's like back in the day

(45:20):
when they used to do is it the ship, Yeah, he's.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
Doing the same thing.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Bring them over and we used to take plis of them.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah he's doing the same thing.

Speaker 4 (45:29):
But without saying I'm bringing a girl to meet you
will booker, you know, and for someone like me, I
come across way better on person than I do online.
It's just it's who I am. I slightly I don't
want to say excel, but I I'm very good socially
and I'm very good conversationally. So if you put me
in a room with someone, I will leave a better

(45:51):
impact on them than if you just send a photo
of me.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
And I think.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
It works really well for me exactly.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
It makes me slightly more memorable, so speaking, it's very clever.
He took me to a lot.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Of different sets, and I think I got way more work.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
Hands down than I would have done if you just
sent out photos.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
What is the one thing from England that you missed the.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Most, apart from like friends and family? How cheap things are?

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I would say things here are ridiculously priced.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
And this is gonna probably everyone's going to disagree. But
the food. Everyone hates English food and I love it.
I love English food.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't hate it really.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Every time I say this, everyone's like baked beans.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
I love very amazing. Yeah, an English you can't beat
an English you can't.

Speaker 4 (46:49):
But so you grew up with this food, yes, but I.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I love like baby beans is like my favorite, and.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
It's comfort food.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
I feel like Blish food is very comforting to me.
I think like it's very stodgy comforting meals.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
I love like a good roast chicken, like roast potatoes
and gravy.

Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yeah, jack of potato with beans and cheese. It's my favorite.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
And you know, I really love it's digestive.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yes, oh my god. And I and to hear this
is embarrassing. I special order English baked beans from Amazon
now because I missed that, and they're so expensive.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Do you go in the English shop? But you know
there's one in it's so and there's one. There's another
one that my mom goes to.

Speaker 4 (47:36):
It's I know what one you're talking about. It starts
with the tea.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
It's in the valley somewhere.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Yes, Speaker's taking me to it. But it's so expensive. Yeah,
you know, and I don't know i'd say that. And
then also where I'm from, I missed just walking around.
I miss the fresh air and being able to just
jump on a train and miss public transport.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
Here.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
It exists, but you can't really use it. You know,
it's impossible that that's what I would say, I reckon.
But yeah, you know, speaking of Babians, I made Ryan
Reed baked beans and she lost her mind. It was
the best thing, and she was chatting so much shit
about it before and then I got it in her

(48:19):
mouth and she was like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
God, it's like sugar.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
And I think because people think it's American beans with
the BBC SMARTA based.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
Beans, it's got to try it. It's great, amazing.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Yeah, like fried tomatoes, like eggs and baked.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Bean and sausage. He doesn't love a good sausage.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Oh godod English breakfast.

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Yeah maybe hung.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
So you said you're close to your mom. So is
your family supportive of your career.

Speaker 4 (48:48):
Yeah, really supportive. I'm open and honest with pretty much
all of my family that I'm close with. I was
very vocal about wanting to be in the sex industry
from quite a young age, so it wasn't shocking to
my mom. It wasn't like, I, I don't know, I
wanted to be a math teacher and then suddenly I'm like,
I want to do adult film. But yeah, she's very supportive.

(49:13):
My mum is a well, she's now a course leader
at a university. But she was a she's a college professor,
and when I first expressed an interest in sex work,
she would take me to like New Way Feminism lectures.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I loved her.

Speaker 4 (49:32):
Yeah, so she take me to burlesque shows as well,
because I wanted I said, from like the age of fourteen,
I was like, I want to be a stripper. And
I told my teachers, can you imagine my poor mom?
I want to be a stripper? Yeah, when people ask
what I wanted to do, And now I'm realizing I
really like the performance, the aspect of it. Like, I
wouldn't last an hour and a strip card.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I'm really bad. I can't hustle for anything.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Where do you think you got the idea of wanting
to be like show Girls? The movie?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Yeah, it's my favorite movie of all time.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah you know Elizabeth Birthley went to my high school.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Really wow? Wow, what characters? Yeah that's funny.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
But yeah, so I watched that and I was like,
I love women. I love women, and I love women
that ignore societies shame and stakemmer against them expressing their
sexuality however the fuck they want to. I love women
who just embrace it and they're like, yeah, me and
I want to be objectified. Maybe I want to be sexy. Yeah,

(50:33):
what the fuck are you going to do about it?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (50:34):
And as my women, I get to choose. You know,
it's my body and I get to make that decision
for myself. And I was enamored by these women who
glamorized themselves in such a sexual way and performed their
sexuality to an audience. And that's where I was like,
oh my god, I want to be a stripper. So yeah,
my mum took me to burlesh shows. She showed me

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to amazing lectures or with our performances about sexuality as
a woman, and she really embraced it instead of shaming me.
But I probably would have ended up doing the same
thing I'm doing now, but maybe in a less safe way,
or I would have done it secretly. She was able

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to keep me safe in the way of I'd tell
her what I was doing. I'd tell her I was
going when I was doing dom session. She had the location.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
You know. The same with.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
The rest of my family are very supportive. I don't
think they fully grasp Like my grandpa, blesshim, he's ninety four.
I don't think he fully grasps what I do. He
knows that I think. He thinks I do glamour photography,
which is fine. I have explained to them. My grandma
understands what I do, and yeah, she's very supportive. When

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I was little, I used to sit my family down
in the living room and like, make everyone watch me dance.
You know, they knew that I was a performer from
a young age.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
I loved it. I loved being watched.

Speaker 4 (51:57):
And that's turned when I've been an adult into realizing
that I'm an exhibitionist, you know.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
And it's great that I'm able to monetize something I
love doing. You know.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
So what would you say to people who argue that
porn objectifies women?

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I would say, yeah, but what if it does? And
what if I like it? What's the issue there? I
should be able to make my own decisions. What if
I like being objectified?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
What if I said it degrades you?

Speaker 4 (52:30):
But what if I like being degraded? You know, that's
my decision to make, and it's not yours. And no
one ever has a problem with a man who wants
to do it, you know, they really don't. They have
a problem that not only as am I owning and

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expressing my sexuality. I'm monetizing it. And that's where the
problem even comes more into play, because I'm not a victim.
I'm not someone who needs to be saved. I'm not
someone who needs to be white knighted by a savior
and scooped up and taken and looked after. I enjoy
what I'm doing and I've found a way to make

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money from it. And first was the oldest profession in
the world, sex work, And I think society is slightly
disgusted when you're proud of it.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
They really are, you know. And I'm not someone who.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
You know, sex work for survival is real, and that's
a whole another aspect of sex work, but that's not
what I'm doing. I'm doing it because I've chosen to
do it, and I really love it. Yeah, And I
think people can't. They can't grasp the idea of someone

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one that can separate sex from emotion.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
You know.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
I get on with my coworkers, but I'm not looking
to date them, you know, and sex for people, especially
being in a world that has such i want to
say Christian morals, they really can't grasp the idea that
I don't find it dirty and disgusting, and if I do,

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I kind of like the fact that you find me gross,
you know, like, and they can't deal with it, And
that's okay. You don't need to be able to deal
with it, you know, you don't need.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
To like what I do for work. I don't care,
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
Yeah, I love it. Oh my gosh, you said that
you want to do your first anal scene.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Yeah, so me and my butthole are currently becoming friends.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
We're learning to love each other in new found ways. Yeah,
it's like it's like dating me and my buttthole for
the first time.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
I'm like whining and dining.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
My butthole is learning, yeah, learning what she likes, what
she doesn't like.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Not rushing her.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
By any means because then she gets angry, and we
don't want angry bells.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I'm absolutely not.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
Yeah, I want to do my first anal this year.
I am training currently. I feel like I'm training for
the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
I really I don't want to do.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
My first anal until I'm really enjoying anal by myself.
So at the moment, me and lots of toys are
having lots of fun because I want it to come
across in not that I want to get overly comfortable,
because I think part of watching a first anal is
someone's I don't want to say shock, but it's experiencing

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their first anal. You know, that's part of the pleasure
watching it. And I get that. I like watching New
Girls first anals. I completely understand that aspect of it.
But equally, I don't want to not enjoy it on camera.
That's a whole different thing. So I want you to
see that I'm enjoying the new nurse and the new
found pleasure. So yeah, I'm currently training. I haven't got

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like a set date of when I'm filming it, but
it will be out by the end of this year.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
I can promise that. So, yeah, it's it's a whole
new world. I don't do.

Speaker 4 (56:15):
Anal in my personal life. I've done anal like twice
when I was drunk before, So I basically I count
myself as an anal vergion.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
It's not technically true, but I do. Yeah, So.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
It's it's a whole new world. It's a whole new world,
and it really is. These girls that do it are
like Olympians. Yeah, it's it's Olympics.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
It's pretty remarkable what some people can do with her.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
Do you have an idea of like how you want
to do it? Like, because usually you know someone's first
anal is a big deal. You can get more money
for it. Maybe you case around it, you like, you
know brands, maybe compete to get your first ay input
in terms of like, yeah, you want the theme to
be that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Theme wise, I'm like slowly storyboarding it out. My focus
at the moment to be able to get more than
my finger in my butthole.

Speaker 3 (57:13):
That's my focus.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
And then as as I get more comfortable and I'm
sure I'll think of something. Yeah, it's a career move
for sure. Like I have a totem pole or bucket
list of porn things I want to do, and that's
the next the next jump for me.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
What are your other I want to do a bang?

Speaker 3 (57:33):
Okay, I want to do an air tight. I want
to do a DP. I'm sure I have more of that.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
I want to blow bang, like all the classic porn
bucket list things. I want to tick them off and
say I did this, I did this, I did this,
I did this.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
Do you have like an order in which you want
to do them.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Yes, I think.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Because I feel like a blowbang should come before a game,
oh for sure.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
For sure. Yeah, I feel like bang should be the.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
End of slightly Well, does the DP come during the
gang ming.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
Unless you did a showcase where you did DP and
then you also did a DP in the gang bang
that came.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
Out, and then that would come out after because it
would be the game being and the DP together.

Speaker 4 (58:21):
Yes, and the air tite or whatever would also go
in that. Yeah, right, Yeah, I have ideas. I have
ideas what I want to do. I'm not promsing next
yeary that it's not going to happen, but at some point,
at some point, I have like a whole whole list
I want to go through. I'm doing as well. It's
like sexual experiences that I want to experience, so I'm
being slightly selfish about them. It's the same reason like

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I'm waiting to be really comfortable with anal. I want
to do it because I want to do it because
I enjoy it. The reason I want to do a
gang bang where else can you have like eight to
fifteen guys organized fuck you in a safe way that
consent is involved and everyone understands boundaries. That's on a set,

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they're all tested. It's not it's not going to happen.
It's just not going to happen. It's one of my
reasons for joining the industry. I'm able to explore myself
and my sexuality in a way that's safe with like
minded people.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah. Yeah. And the logistics of organizing a gangbang or mark.

Speaker 4 (59:21):
Can you imagine the community the WhatsApp chats be a nightmare,
be a nightmare?

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Yeah, so but at some point, yeah, I want to
do a gang bang for sure. I used to love
watching Kink Kink's bound gang bang, so.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, they had some good ones. So do you ever
get recognized when you're out in public or is it
still like.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
A few times? I think a few times near near
where I live, which isn't very exciting. I don't like that.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
But I think because I don't really go to a
lot of popular places, I'm around the same places, so
if you see me, you might be like, oh, and
then you'll see me again and the recognition starts. It's
not like it's not like, for example, if you saw
like a baladanger walking down street anywhere, you're gonna be
like that's a bala danger. But if you saw me
maybe ten times, then maybe it would click because I'm
around the same area all the time. Yeah, and then

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you can slowly start to playing like oh way, yeah,
yeah I saw her on that website where they have sex. Yeah,
but not so much a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Is that like exciting when you get recognized or is it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
So you're still at that stage where you're like I'm
at that stage where I'm like, come up and yeah,
come up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Yeah, I didn't, you know, have sex on camera because
I want to be discrete.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
You know, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Because it's so funny too. I only ever in this
almost I almost never get recognized in public. And if
I do, and if I either get like an email
later that they say that they saw me or like
an Instagram message or they come up to me like
when ones around, I'm like, well then that doesn't make
me look cool? Yeah, Like I got some guy recognized

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me at the airport and he like came up while
my husband was in the bathroom, and I'm like, why
did you wait till you tell them how cool I am?

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
I know, and show him that I get recognized.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Like now, he's gonna come out. He's not gonna believe me.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
I always get recognized by the TSA agents when I'm
going in out of Vegas. Oh really yeah yeah, they
like I feel like they know all the girls.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Oh my god, yes, that's so true. Yeah all the time. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
And one agent wasn't subtle about it. She like shouted,
how is your air brother? Great? Probably still dried?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Come on my face like great, So I slept through
the airport at nine pm.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Yeah, so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
But yeah, no, I really like it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I think the only only way I wouldn't like someone
coming up to me was if I was like by
myself at night in like an alley, I'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Like, no, then you could have don't want a guy
coming up to you godless, regardless of whether you know
whatever it is, like yeah I'm lost, you've directions? No, yeah, yeah,
either way, Oh my god. Well thank you so much, guys,
thank you. I know well, I do have a bunch

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of questions for you for my Patreon members, so we're
going to do that and as separate segments. So in
the meantime, can you let everybody know where they can
find you online?

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Yes, I'm the gal ritchie on Twitter and Instagram and
at last and yeah, you can find my my pussy
probably anyway, really if you go good my.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
Name fantastic and then you guys can find me at
Holly Randall on Instagram and on Twitter. Go to Holly
links dot com for all my platforms. Also, I will
be putting out the uncensored versions of these interviews on
my Patreon. I now have to start censoring these interviews

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on YouTube. I'm very sorry that was not my idea.
So go to patreon dot com slash Holly Randall Unfiltered
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watching and I will see you next week