Jim Powers: The Godfather of American Bukkake

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My guest
today never ever planned to be in the adult film industry,
Yet three decades later, he's a Hall of Fame member
and one of the most iconic directors of all time.
I think the best way that I can describe my
guest today is when I told my dear friend Mike
Quasar that he was coming on, the only thing that

(00:46):
he said to me was he will not be PC.
Please welcome the one and only Jim Powers.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Thank you for having me. I'm very PC, so.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I cannot wait to discover how PC you're are.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
I'm the totally piece. Yeah, it's just common sense type
of stuff. But we don't believe in that. Yeah, so
I'm very common sense is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
We don't like common sense. No, I know, not not
these days. No, you don't believe in common sense? No,
absolutely not. Okay, I'm in that weird place where I'm
like where I walk that line of I mean, obviously, yes,
I believe in common sense, but I definitely see like this,
you know, there's like the woke and then there's the conservative,
and there's there's that strange balance that's trying and I

(01:30):
try to walk that balance, and I see both sides,
and I see the reason that both sides have the
opinions that they do. Sure, and it's hard to it's
hard to navigate. It's a weird time right now.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Yeah, it's bullshit, Like there's nothing wrong with the whole
concept of being woke. I mean, you're understanding there's yeah,
problems in the world, get along with it. It's just
turned into.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Such a it's turned into a bad word.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's turned into a bad word.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
And you know, it's like, well, I mean like the
Conservatives have weaponized right yeah, and they yeah, And I
mean it worked. It got Trump into power. So I
don't know. But we're not going to talk about politics
because that's not what we do here. We're here to
talk about Jim Powers. I have to say, it was
so funny. There was this location that I shot at

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that was in downtown. I can't remember who ran it,
but it was like the second floor brick building. It
was really big, kind of all one room, and I
think you had donated all of the furniture that was
in there.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Oh wait, what place was that?

Speaker 2 (02:32):
And there was like swinger bed?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Was that cool?

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
I gave it to that fucker. And he doesn't even
give me deals on anything.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yes, but I just remember and when he showed it
to me, he was like, and this bed was donated
by Jim Powers. And I was like, I don't even
want to know what the fuck is on that bed.
In fact, I know what's probably on that bed.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
And I was like, I'm that was the coolest bed.
It was a giant Like we did shoot on that,
Austin Powers. You know where I got that from where
Granada Hills. It was from a beauty salon they had
and they had to get rid of it because it
took up the whole back Is that for a beauty salon?
And that's where I got it. And we had to
put it on the back of Deacon's truck and we
carried that down the street hanging out over the edges

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to the studio and we couldn't even get it in
the door, so we had to bring it around the
back and lift up the big back door. Yeah, because
I wanted to make it an orgy bed. Yes, And
that's what we used to do. We did, like clearly
an orgy bed, yeah we do. Uh, it had the
stains to prove right. We used to do all the
trans orgies and all sorts of stuff on it was
a big orgy bed. That's what I got it for.
I think.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Yeah, well it definitely yeah, you used it though, I
did use it, but I put, I put, I put
things on top of it that it was beautiful.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah. I mean you don't find those very often.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
No, No, I mean the you know, great pieces of
furniture for you know, sex scenes are important. Yeah, I
don't think people realize that.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Well, and they paid a bunch for it way back
when I got even I might got free by those partly.
I think it was like two hundred bucks I paid
them or something for it. Yeah, I don't know where
I found it, Like, we went over there and picked
it up. I'm like, wow, what the hell is this
doing here?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, it was so cool.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I remember there was a friend of mine who was
going to start renting out their house for porn shoots
and I literally had to coach her on finding the
perfect porn couch.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Well yeah, and I tell people this all the time too.
If you have a porn place, get a desk that's
sturdy that people can fuck on. You don't go to
Ikea they get your desk. You got to get these
solid oak desks. Whatever. You can't be glass. You gotta
get this desk that you can fuck on. It has
to be a certain height because I'll test out the
furniture and show them you want to be at the
level to fuck them standing and so forth. We don't

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have the apple box too much. And in the beds way,
you need sturdy beds. You don't want ones that wabble.
It can't be squeaky. Can't be squeaky. The couch is
the same thing.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
They can't have a huge bed frame that sticks out
too far from the match.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Get on your knees. Yeah, and shooting is a camera
person too. That's a pain in the butve and again
in the middle of that bed and you got the
edges right there out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
What other important pieces of porn furniture do people need
to know about?

Speaker 3 (04:58):
This is the thing people people stuff, all go to
these houses and stuff, and it's the one house everybody shoots.
And I love you, Vicky, but your bed it's like
it's you can't move it. She has that bed that's
so big there, but that's don't get a bed that's
like literally locked into place you can't move. Yeah, you
can't move it in the house or whatever. But and yeah,
the beds are you just need to be able to

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get in there and shoot them. I like the four
the beds with the posts at the end. I've always
liked that, you know, not all the way up with
the canopy, but the posts that people can hold on
to and stuff utilize. Yeah, there's not enough of those anymore.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Yeah, that's true. And then chairs way you talk about
like living room chairs, Yeah, like what's important about living
room chairs? No? No arms or arms.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
I don't know. The chairs, you're okay with the arms
because usually if they're using that, they're gonna put their
knee up on the arm and stuff for doggie and
things like that. So you use the arms. You want
the arms on the chair. Yeah, And even the couches,
I don't like the arms so much. On the edges
of the couches. Depends on the though, you know, it
all depends on the size, because you don't want them
too low. Too low is terrible, and you don't and

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most couches aren't too high. How often do you really
get too high couch? Yeah, you're just not made.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
That way, because problem if they're too low.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
If you're so low, he really can't be doing dog
or anything off the side of it, get on his
knees and fuck or anything. And also if you're shooting camera,
you always want to angle up. You hangle down, You
make people look stubby and short. I try to angle
up a bit, you know, lengthen your legs, lengthen the
cock and you try to shoot up on an angle
to strength, you know, to lengthen it.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
What about the material? Is it important that a couch
is a certain kind of material?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Yeah, because you know those houses that get really mad
when you leave the loop stains. So yeah, that's a
tough one. I don't like the soft brown leather couches.
Those are a mess. Yeah, but like what is it's
not leather? But you know that leather. Fleather is the best, Yeah,
because it wipes off you. I like that that mock
fake leather. Yeah pleather, Yeah, yeah, that's the best.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah. Do you remember that ringworm that we're in around Yeah?

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Everybody said that ringworm? Yeah time.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, do you think that that everyone suspected that that
came from like a couch that you couldn't clean properly,
like a like a like a fabric couch, and then
everybody kept working on that couch because like ringworm can
live on a fabric for a long period of time, it.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Would make sense. I mean, I guess I always laugh
about you know, they see the murder scenes and the
semen they come in there with the black light. If
you wanted like Tommy's house, you know, fun house, and
you did that black light the semen everywhere we want
died a Baccacian black light if we wanted to make
it look like what would look like. So we did
it as the cums coming out, and we had her
covered and we turned off the lights and we ran

(07:40):
the black lights on her. She's covered in the semen. Anyway,
it makes me think of these couches, how much body matter,
blood and everything that would be on these couches. What, well, hello,
there's blood, feces, semen, sweat, tears, flube, everything mixed in.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
What kind of scenes are you shooting talking about?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're doing a gagging blow job, you're tearing up with
the eyes, you have them upside down. Your face, fucking
eyes are running.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah you know, yeah, so you're okay.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
I've got plenty of guys cry fuck what.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
Oh my god. All right, So before we get into
your battles, the kind of scenes that you shoot, we're
going to start from the beginning. We're going to start
your origin story because you had a very unique path
to the adult industry. So how did you end up
as a director?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, it was accidental. I never planned to be knew
nothing about cameras anything. I feel like that's like everybody's
scar I was. It's just a stockbroker minding my own business.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
You were a stockbroker.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Stockbroker, you know, firms were going under long winding story
story show. I end up in Florida. We raised money
to make this kickboxing thing. This guy is going to do.
My partner's like, oh, we can't be involved with this guy.
He used to do porn. Like, oh, no way, that's
the mafia. I can't go near there. This is nineteen
ninety right, And anyway, I end up getting important long
story show because I meet Buck Adams and Okay, Jim,

(09:10):
you should be producing movies. The distributorship goes to hell
and Buck's like, Jim, let's go back to California and
make porn. You're from California, so we come back here.
That's how I got going with porn, Buck Adams. I
was just producer, Wow Buck. And that first movie I
did was that speed Trap old movie. It's the one
that for years they ran on that the Spice channel
or one of the stations with the Ferrari racing the

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Porsche in the rain or whatever that was. That was
the movie I did. Wow Buck directed. I do a
cameo as a drug dealer in it, so like I
was in my twenties when I started important, and then
how they become a director is second time I made
a movie is like a year layers. I didn't want
anything to do with porn because really I made no
money off the first one. I go a friend of

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mine from a rock band. It's like, Jim, why don't
we make a porn We'll go in half like whatever,
I'll do it again. And and the guys from the
rock bands was on acid the morning of the shoot
and I get up there and I could, Okay, what's
the plan because I'm the producer And he was laying
rolling around the ground staring at a cigarette and I felt,
you know, somebody has to step up here. And I
had the porn experience. And we had a cameraman, my

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buddy flew out to shoot for free, you know, who
was a videographer but knew nothing about porn. So I
became the director by default. Wow, and that's how I
started directing porn. I had the same story story why
I started shooting me the cameraman porn. Yeah, it was
the same type of thing.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
You showed up and like the cameraman was on drugs
and couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
Long story short, your passive. We had this movie we
made I sell it. Do you remember Dave Cravis Coastline.
He hooks me up with Midnight Video.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I remember Coastline Midnight Video. Okay, yes, I think you
should do.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
All the parody movies in the early nineties.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Ok.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So Beach bumb amateurs. I go over there to sell
him the movie. He hooks with the deal. So I
delivered the movie and Kevin Beach on the step what
really got me going, says, hey, do you want to
shoot some amateurs for me? And said, I don't know
how to shoot? What you mean? I don't know I've
never picked up a camera in my life. What do
you mean? Where am I going to get these people?

(11:13):
Because they're amateurs. You just walk on the street and
ask people. I go, really, how much you're going to
give me? Some ridiculous small amount of money?

Speaker 2 (11:20):
And got sold and I'm like, approach strangers, no money.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Yeah, So that's why I fear we can get them
for free. I go, I need some money, and and
David Lord was my production manage.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
This is how we met.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So David Lord didn't know that wasn't David Lord yet.
He got a salesman for Zye Okay, I hooked a
buddy up from another punk band because I was associated
with punk bands. He got jobs selling and doing sales
as Zane. He goes Jem, and there's a guy over
here who could be your you know, could help you
find these amateurs if you want to do it. So
I go over there and David's so, yeah, we can.

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You know, I know all these people which ended up
just being porn actors, but I thought they were and
we'd have to pay them the small amount, and I figured, well,
it's a beach palm amateurs. We got to go to
the beach to shoot this. You know you have to
do it right. I figured I didn't know about these rules.
You can't shoot on beaches and stuff. And so I
go down and shoot this thing, and then people start
filling it up, filling up the beach, and we got

(12:21):
one sex scene dumb in the middle of another one,
and people are starting to look ask you should get
out of here. You're starting to fill up. Yes, we
go to this one guy's house. We shoot the rest
of the movie.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Wait, hold on, you shoot a sex scene on the beach.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Yeah, people are just walking around.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
I didn't and you didn't think that that was a problem.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
No, I mean why because you can't have a sex
about I didn't realize that at the time. Okay, I
was not some film student or something.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
You need to student to know that.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Anyway, Instantly minding my own business, I'm feeling porn right.
So I it was Rick Masters who did the fucking.
It was nineteen ninety two, okay. So we finished the
movie somewhere in the Hollywood Hills at He's dead. Now
it's I gonna say the name Dale Davis, the famous
little surfing director from the sixties. If you look him up,
he did all Jan and Dean all that type of stuff.
So we shot at his place. So but if I

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paid everybody, I actually lost money. I go, this is
not a good thing. Three things in a row I'd
lost money on. I'm done with this porn. I'm not
going to try to be a porn porn guy anymore.
And I was shooting camera too. That was an everything.
I was shooting the video camera. I didn't know how
to do it. Somehow had this video camera. So I
drop it off at Kevin's and he holds up back

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in the days of the chromes, he holds them up
and he goes, I need you to shoot me. He
saw you're on the beach film and I go yeah.
He goes, shoot me more now immediately, and I'm like, no,
I don't want to. He's like why. He goes, I
lost money, starts whipping me off hundred dollars bills. He goes, here,
now you made some money, make me more. Okay, sounds
easy enough. So I go back to the beach and

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you know, and David Lord says, you know, the cops
and everything are up top, you know coming. I goes,
so what we got finished the scene? All the cops
are coming down on to get us. David Lord's swim
in the ocean escape. I kept on shooting and they
arrested me.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Wait, okay, hold on, you're filming a sex scene on
the beach. The cops are coming down and you're like, no, no, no, no,
we still need to come shot. Ignore the cops. David
Lord jumps into the Oh.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Swam away, Oh my god? Know who he swam with?
He swam with the guy that ran that company down
in San Diego. Was the name that got homegrown or something? Okay,
his name, I don't know. Swam away in the ocean, right,
you know, around the next cove. Cops come down there
and I'm like, what's the problem, right? Anyway, haul all

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of us up. All the girls. Three girls I'm with
had warrens for their arrest. They don't know what to
do with us. And the other was it a threesome
girls only? No? I had three girls, and I figured
I was gonna do three sex scenes.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Okay? And who was the guy? Was there a guy?

Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah? But he was somebody who's from that era. He
was like a swinger guy. You know, I don't know,
but he's with you. He also got a rest because
he was fucking okay. Anyway, they call it in and
they take us into the jail, and you know, they
hit me with I was on felony accounts. They gave
me conspiracy and pandering. Right because back to the old
ones could keep in mind this in nineteen ninety two
porn only became legal and what eighty nine or eighty eight?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Okay, so wait is this before the Freeman case after?

Speaker 3 (15:22):
But they didn't really know. So here's what happened. After
going to court a couple of times, a judge basically
brought that up. He goes, look at what he did
was atrocious, blah blah blah blah. But under the Freeman
it is legal, and I got time served, you know,
until I got up with shooting without permit and all
this time. But they were trying to.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Throw the look at you look at I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
So yeah, that was a wake up call. So the
next time I was much more careful and shoot at
the beach. I tried to run around it.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
You still went back and shout of the beach.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Let's just say it may have happened, but I was
much more careful. I realized you shouldn't just do it
with people walking around, and the cops will frown on it.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Oh, yes, yes they will.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I remember the nineties, I must have been popped thirty times.
I mean the nineties, they were still hitting locations all
the time. Yeah, you'd be shooting at least thirty times. Yeah.
We were always being lined up all the time, sitting
there for hours. You know, whoever's fucking would get arrested
or you know how it would be.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
I mean we were in we at our studios. We
always shooting in the studio. So yeah, but we actually
I didn't start working in porn until ninety eight, so yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
But the locations in the nineties they were still weis
was always after you and the neighbors complaining and even
if they thought you were shooting porn, they'd line yet
they want to arrest you, but you'd be always lined up. Yeah,
it was waiting and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
My mom said they used to go through our trash.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yeah, they were always like out to get you. Last
time I spent two thousand and twelve, I was on
probation for shooting not even porn. Seth Gamble was there,
asked Seth, we were shooting in the cops Okay, we're
not shooting because weren't you in Middlesex. I goes, look
at we are just shooting stills were and we're not
even shooting sex. We're shooting this house because this house

(17:00):
we're going to market this as a swing house, so
it actually was a swing house. And and they're like, well,
there's a ticket or whatever, you know, And I had
to go to court and and and my lawyer what
was his name guy moved to Italy. He know the
lawyer anyway, he was my lawyer in that one. And

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he's like, yeah, no, it's not just to find there,
you have to go check yourself into the jail and everything.
I'm like, what, I got a fucking years probation for
this bullshit. And that was because after everybody stopped pulling
permits because of OSHA remember this, yes, uh, and people were.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
No longer Measure B after Measure B.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
This is the one before all that shit. This is
the one. I don't know what it was, but basically
the district attorney was come saying it was just filming
in general, because people just little movies. They weren't even
pulling permits on because you had such an issue with Osha.
We couldn't pull permits. Yeah with Osha. Yeah, and they
were just trying to make example of everybody that was

(18:00):
doing it. Even though I wasn't officially caught in porno,
it was important, we weren't. It was just the flashing
lights at a location without a permit. And luckily you
know that Prop sixty knowne that stuff passed in sixteen
if you remember all the stuff that, Yeah, this.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Was a mandatory condom use in point.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah, and that's why we couldn't do it. And so
but anyway, people forget now there's nobody remembers what the
nineties was like. No, because nobody even thinks about the
cops showing up anymore because they're not on the mandate
to do it. Yeah, which was scary times.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah. I mean the problem is too, is that you know,
film Ala has this monopoly on the permis and they
make it very expensive and very difficult.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
To Don't you remember the days I used to pay
eighty dollars an hour to a fire, remember the fire
inspector You had to sit on your set to watch
the fires if you're shooting in the Hollywood Hills. And
that was the nineties. Yeah, eighty bucks an hour. Do
the math inflation. Not to mention, you had to have
the binder, which we all get through. So and so
whoever had the expensive binder two hundred dollars a day
and you're six hundred and twenty five dollars you had

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to pay to it was six twenty five, the six
twenty five or something.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
When I would pull permits, because you do the month
long one, so I had to know I was because
I was shooting mostly just stills. I didn't really get
into shooting movies until later. So a stills permit was
a lot less money.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
It was a video for a year stills perm It
was nothing.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It stills from It was like one hundred and twenty
five dollars for a year, right, no, no, no, only
for like two weeks.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I thought it was like way cheaper.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
No, no, unless you're talking about like a studio permit,
that might have been different, but like, yeah, a video
permit would cost you like nine hundred dollars that the.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Whole location, it was six twenty five two hundred for
the insurance thing bindary you'd have to get it was
eight twenty five or whatever it was. And depending on
where you shot. You might have to get the fireman
that's what killed you.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Also might have to get a special permit from that city,
like Santa Monica had its own and had their own. Yeah,
because we choose he was a nightmare.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, and a lot of cities. But that's why I
would shoot in place like Ventura and stuff like they
It was so much cheaper and you didn't have to
do a lot of that stuff. And that's why I
found out a lot of weird like the Knowles didn't
even have it. I didn't have to have a permit
cause I got popped there one time by the cops.
Where in the Knowles Do you even know about this?
The Knowles is that area between the Valley Chatsworth and

(20:13):
Steamy Valley.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Oh is that like the canyon? Yes, yes, I do
know that because I had a friend who had a
location there.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
We got there, weird cops show up because the neighbors
hated the shooting at a Hell's Angel's house. Because I
used to do a lot of white trash horse, so
I was always shooting at you know, you'd have to
have a certain type of crowd to get the right look.
So I would shoot these houses that would usually be
owned by whatever drug makers, Hell's Angels, whatever that type
of crowd. We'd have to get these houses. And uh,

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the neighbor had it in for the Hell's Angels. It
was bullshit. And they called saying that we had some
fourteen year old girl and they're filming porn on her.
And so the cops show up and they all come
rolling in the driveway and they're like, we'd like to
meet the actress. And they only went running and they're
naked into this room and she comes to she's like thirties. Yeah,
comes walking out and they're like, never mind. I go

(21:03):
wait now. I was like, I tried to pull a
permit here. Why are you guys here? He goes, well,
you can't pull a permitt here is you know? And
I said, there's no such thing as permits in the Noles.
He goes, yeah, we know that you can do whatever
you want. You're in private property. I said why. He goes, yeah,
I keep on filming. Well why were you here? And
that's how I found out why they were there. Yeah,
but that's how I found out the Knowles yet't need permits.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, And that's it, honestly, and even for like just
the bigger mainstream film industry. That's why a lot of
filming has moved out of Los Angeles. It's an nine
year it's become we can't get into.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
That porn name where you know that you can't with
with Osha.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, I stopped directingly two years ago.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
So yeah, it's really But the problem is that porn
is Look, thank god they're not going after it because
everybody's a porn studio. Now if you look at only fans,
there's roughly what fifty million porn studios in America. Yeah,
because I think by law, every high school senior has
to get only fans, so and they all have to
produce for they have to keep the content flowing. Yeah,

(22:01):
I'm not being facetious an actual fact. No, they're making money.
All the permit is for is if you're making money,
that is the new means of making money there is.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I agree because I remember I talked to someone at
Film LA when I was going and scouting a place.
This is a long time ago, and they said to me, yeah,
if you're monetizing, So I said, so if I do
a selfie right here, and I'm like, hey, guys, look
at this cool place and I put it on my
YouTube channel and my YouTube is monetized. What was back then?
I have to get a permit for it, even though

(22:31):
I'm here by myself with a cell phone, and they
said yes, and I'm like, get the fuck.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Out of here. Yeah, don't you remember, like when you
do the outdoor shots. I always remember this because the
nineties I did pull a lot permits on the features.
By the nineties late nineties, we were usually trying to
permit places on big features or you have a little
house that you put in if you're just in a
small scene, so they didn't want you to pull permisc Yeah.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
A lot of the location owners don't want it. Don't
want because then you have they have to alert all
the neighbors that you're shooting.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Thank you, And they don't want the neighbors to close
it on when they get a mainstream of be in there. Yeah, exactly,
So you're on it. But like you could run around
as long as you didn't set up a tripod and
your hand held. Yeah, you could shoot on the street rule. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
So if you go to the beach and you don't
have a try bride.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
So I was running around all the time. That's one
of I did so much handheld stuff because the tripod
get you in trouble. Don't carry a tripod because I'm
not setting up shop. Yeah, you know, running and gunning
and the nineties were great because you could run around
downtown Atlanta weekend. It was a ghost town, remember that. Yeah,
there's no no businesses, nobody lived there. Yeah, and I
could get all the shots on the streets and stuff.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Crazy. Yeah, I was in high school in the nineties,
so I don't know if I really remember that. Finally,
someone who's been in the porn industry longer than me
on my podcast That Never Happens.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
I started in ninety I guess nineteen ninety as a distributor. Wow,
we're in Florida.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Wow, that's amazing. Okay, so you are known Jim as
the founder of American book Hockey, and everybody who like
watches this show and knows me knows that. Like, I
have a strange fascination with Bukakis. I don't know why.
I just like love them. I just find them to
be such like an interesting I don't know, a study

(24:09):
of like human sexuality. They're just like so they're just
so interesting to me. So tell me, like how you
got into shooting bukakis? Like, where did this come from?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
Okay, BACACKI. I used to shoot for a company called Jam.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Oh my god, Jam Productions. Wait did they? Oh they
did that that line like butterface the girls had a
great body but an ugly face.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Okay for bag ladies. I shot it bag bag the face.
I used to draw the faces on them. Yes, it
was my favorite thing. Oh, I couldn't it was you.
The girl gets she's like, where's the makeup artist? I go,
I have your face right here, it's already done, and
I had to pull her out of the bathroom like
what are you doing? Quit doing your makeup? You're wearing

(24:57):
a bag. It's so cute because I took her into
the shopping center. I ever walking along outside the parking
lot with a bag on her face. I can't believe
that was you. Yeah, oh my god. I always get
things I have gone viral that I shot, Like some
of these clips I've gone viral and stuff like you know,
what are you retarded? You know that one? It's all
over the that's from a movie I did, or the

(25:19):
Oh my, they're all just clips from movies. I get
people lying. But yes, I did bag Ladies, which was
you know, okay, we find an objectionable movie.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yes, okay, sorry we before we back to no, no, no.
I need to know about bag Ladies because that was
the thing that I was like that definitely sticks in
my mind. How did you? Okay? So was the premise
that they just weren't attractive.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Enough to shoot?

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, see, cham was fun because I've always you know,
you get like into a whole bag on a head
fetish and stuff because my favorite bag scene. I think
he wanted me to do that one after I did it,
and I preferred his story so that I did. These
guys show up at this rich mand's house. He goes,
we're going to play a game the FORMNT. He goes
upstairs in the room, there's a woman with a bag

(26:09):
on her head. It's one of your daughters, which one
wants to play. And they all go up there and
they fuck the girl because it could be one of
their dashers. But so I think that's what spawned the
bag Ladies. A lot of series, like you may how
the Simpsons came out. That's certain TV show or The
Happy Days created a bunch of series that came out
with Leverne and Shirley. Perverted Stories we used to use

(26:32):
to launch series and stuff. So Bikacky started in the
perverted stories where we would try ideas, gag factors, all
that stuff would come out of the perverted stories or
see things he would see and so we'd spawn that
stuff from perverted Stories, which was a lot like when
I came in. I came in, you know, it was
kind of an outsider to porn Pariah knew nothing about

(26:55):
cameras or anything. It wasn't really a feature guy. I
wasn't really an amateur guy. So I had to creating
this my own little niche. So you said, gimmicks, Yeah,
and I put the storyline into these wacky stories. That
was I was like camp, like sting camp. People have
to be serious and really ridiculous situations because I don't
shoot comedy. You know, I'm not that bright, nor are

(27:18):
you am. I gonna have comedians on the set because
Jonathan Morgan retired, So you know, I shoot camp. That's
really all I ever do. Yeah, mostly done camp. So
but but Kaki, we started originally Unperverted Story, so I
know how it started. Yes, Okay, Jeff Mike used to
come in with his ideas. He'd always see things. He
would see things like he'd watch Batman this weekend, we
do need to do a gang bang where they're under

(27:39):
black lights, you know whatever. He'd see something. And so
somebody had got heard about the thing going on Japan.
But Cocky started in Japan. That's why it's called American Bacacky.
And what was his name that used to shoot the
Harry girls up North? I forgot what his name was.
They distributed the line there and he used to shoot
Harry Pussy's in the North. He was very well known

(28:00):
and he did famous for his popshots. You come in
your face, you walk away with the t shirt whatever
his name was. So this guy had shown a tape
to Jeff Mike and to do it, he was gonna
do his own bitcocky. Two guys jerk off on a
girl's face. That happens in fucking you know, on Applebee's
restroom all the time. That's not fucking bitcocky Tuesday. Right,

(28:21):
So I'm like really, So he brings me in his
office and he shows it, puts in this video and
I always remember watching the first time you see this
girl in a room's and she's like Japanese girl, so
cute with a little bit playboy uh when he used
to wear those ears and funny years. And she's just masturbating.
It's a nice little ditto clear dildo masturbating. And then

(28:44):
the camera slowly pulls back from her and you see
all these guys like in a room, like thirty five
forty guys sitting around her, and they're just sitting watching her.
I was fascinated with this, and then they all rised up.
You just second clout in Japanese, right, they take off
their underwear, third one, and they throw the underwear adder

(29:08):
and then they just go over. They say probably in Japanese.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
So so anyway, we used to make up all sorts
of things where it isn't that a Japanese word? Yeah, okay.
So what we used to tell people there was we
made I made up a story back in those days
at Bikhaki, with the old days when you cheated on
your husband, the whole village would get together and come
on your face and they'd force you to live in
a cave. We tell people these stories. So the sky

(29:33):
like the scarlet letter, I want Howard sturna remember they
flew me out there. Anyway, I digress back to Bakaki,
so the kacky and then they're they're jerking up. It's
pixelated because they can't. They come over there and you
just see the hair, no dick, but you could see
the com right, and they're want to income from complete

(29:54):
control and silence, which I thought, Holy fuck, And so
Jeff Mike says, I need you to do that. So
I'm like, where the fuck am I going to find
forty Japanese guys? And he goes, no, no, anybody goes,
you need to do this. I well, am I going
to do this? So okay, we're gonna try it in
perverted stories. See if the fans like it. He had
a huge mail order business, so he was really in

(30:16):
touch with before the internet would touch with people what
they wanted. And everything we did was kind of like
letters would come in and stuff like what do people
want to see? People don't really realize this stuff. We
were really feeding a market that was there. Yeah, what
do you guys want to see?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Vision with letters must have been Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
I used to get invited to fucking people's houses and stuff.
He wen't have a barbecue up here in you, Wisconsin
for I want you to bring up a couple of your girls.
I'm like, sounds great. Who is ed Gane going to
be there? A home of domer right? So oh, I
have so many stories in the letters days when we

(30:51):
used to film the guys fucking the girls, had a
guy crawl out a window and tearror to get away. Anyway,
back to Bakaki, so Bakaki, So I get a bunch
of the guys that were available. It's the back of
my warehouse. I had a distributorship in these days. I
got like twenty guys an initial Bakaki. Bobby Something was
the girl. I forget her name, so cute was Bobby Something?

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (31:12):
She ended up with HIV during that period in one
of those girls in that era, I forgot what her
name was, But anyhow, she's going to be the girl
that's going to do it. I think it was her,
So I don't hold me to that day, Trivy. But
just before that, and I get like whatever, twenty of
the guys, Dave Hardman, Rick Master's the whole crowd. John
Doe came and did it, and and we did the

(31:33):
exact way we did it exactly that copied the Japanese
way they did it, pulled back all the exact same
shots everything, and they just jerked off on her face.
It was really hard. Don't crowd around her, only one
per side at once. We had to keep complete control.
He puts this thing out, people are going nuts.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Okay, so hold on. So just back to the scene
real quick. Was it difficult for the guys to come
like all kind of around the same time because she
wasn't servicing them?

Speaker 3 (31:59):
So No, the thing about Bakakey was what made it's
so special why women liked it. These you're like a
You're like an altar. These guys are your slaves, you know,
you're you know, these are your pigs, and they can
just they're they're coming on you without you even touching them.
You're so beautiful, yeah, I mean, and it's good for
the skin, you know. So we were doing those so

(32:20):
the guys who come from either side, but was keeping
them in control. So Jeff Mike says, this thing's a hit.
You know, you need to shoot more of them. So
we shot the first ball. I'm in Bikaki started in
the back of my warehouse but was starting to fill
up and my partner didn't like having all these guys
in the back, and so I started doing in another
warehouse across the street and or a machine shop. And
I've started. Now I'm growing up to forty guys, and

(32:43):
right about this time, I feel.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Like, at this point you've got to be pulling guys
outside of the industry, right.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Not yet, Okay, it was still right about this time,
you're yeah, I was right about this time, because here's
what happened. I it was. I was kind of the guy,
the competitor John Bowen in the day because we were
jumping the shark. This was late nineties. Everything had to
be over the top. I was sueing triple penetration, debutante slots,
Donald penetrations weren't enough. It was the era double ane all.

(33:09):
You had to shoot fire out of your ass. Remember
the girl shooting fire out of assent saying yeah, So
we were always having up there, so I'd have to
have a girl shooting fire out of her ass, and
we were doing all this type of shit. It was
a spontaneous ecstasy gang bang. If you remember. The Spawned
five fifty one, by the way, had more guys than
any gang bang in history. I actually had one hundred
and fifty guys there. It wasn't one of those bullshit

(33:30):
ones like the Houston five, and there was really only
eighty guys there. Yeah, who came one hundred and fifty? Yeah,
I rooted my guys around two. But I had actually
had one hundred and fifty guys. Here's how it happens.
Spawn had a guy who was a super fan. The
superfan would be on the phone for me, and so
I started running ads in La Weekly and everything for this.

(33:52):
I also knew I had to start feeding the bacackis.
I needed to get fresh meat. I needed lots to come,
all right. So we did that one and he had
a bunch of expers because he ran the ride at
Jurassic Park. What eventually ended up happening is I hired
everybody from Jurassic Park became my crew of the cockies.
And as it started growing, I was ran. Yeah, he

(34:15):
was the leader at Jurassic Park. They all dress up,
you go to Universal, you go to Jurassic Park. All
the guys that put you in the in the in
the boats and everything. That was my bococky crew. Because
I realized I wasn't shooting porn. I was shooting an
athletic event, and what I had to do is I
had to run this like an amusement park. So I
realized the crowds were starting to get big because what happened.

(34:38):
It's something I got out to Howard Stearn. So I'm
having what's his name, Melrose Larry Green was coming broadcasting
from my sets and everything, and I was getting over
one hundred guys with a couple of kakeys. Because I'm
running ads. This is before the internet, La Weekly, the
La Reader. I would do the bakakis. I had to
get a studio was near a bus line, and I

(34:59):
had to do it after hours when they got off work,
because there's a certain economic level. I was appealing to
right that needed the money. But I was telling the
dream of becoming a porn star, and I had we
set the Bacacky hotline. You have reached the Bacauckay hotline
this Tuesday night and we're doing like three it was wednesdays. Whatever,
three wednesdays in a row. Do you have what it

(35:20):
takes to become a porn star? And so we were
running these ads and I was putting up flyers and
laundromats because I figured those guys needed extra money too,
So yeah, I would go stick them up in all
the laundromats and I would la weekly and everything. We
were running the Bacacky hotline ads and so we were
getting these huge crowds. But it was it was out

(35:40):
of control because I was getting people from prisons. It
was gang It was a very kind of dangerous because
you know, later we had the Bacacki robbery with the
gun and all that shit, but that was later on,
and so I was having to have security at the
Baccacky's I was having and we were doing the gang bangs,
and so I was having you know, paperwork lines you'd
go through and they weren't allowed to touch the girls.

(36:02):
And as Bikaki got bigger and bigger, the girls that
you know wouldn't get to do a bakaki because I'd
have a backup to the girl just in case somebody
you know, didn't pull through. It's not like a normal set,
and she'd be crying if she didn't get bikakied on
had bikaki groupie showing up girls that wanted to do
a bocaki. In the beginning, they had guys flying out
from New York lawyers and stuff to do Bakaki's. I
had guys in wheelchairs and it was like it's almost

(36:26):
tear jerking. They'd wheel them over, beating off, and they'd
help them up and eat Bacaki on her and the
people are clapping and the plotting and and we've got
to keep complete control because fights would break out. I
had a guy dressed up as a giant super sperm
running around. He's on the back of the cock and
as Bakhaki got bigger and bigger, and we're you like.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
This is like a documentary. Did anybody film the behind
the scenes of it?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Yeah, there was tons of those clips that used to
come out of it. You'd always see me and behind
the scenes and fights and everything. It became a college.
They built that whole site. What was that one that
was real popular for all the fights and stuff on porn.
Half of that stuff was jam clips. Wow, I forgot
it was real popular website. Anyway, we had to split
it off into the Gocan, which was the swallowing Baccaky's.

(37:11):
We had to keep classic Bacaki and the Gocins. You know,
we were cooking the nothing smells worse than cook comb.
You put like eighty loads into and we'd cook it
up on a hot pad right next to you and
we'd flip it over a bit and serve it to
you and you're eating the com We were doing the

(37:31):
very ochiese. I would put you in like scuba gear.
We'd take out the class. You have to look through
the com and we're filling up your face. And we
were constantly the dog collar. Once we were we were
doing that, we had to do the butt fuck Bacakay's.
We were doing the lesbian mccauky's, the reverse Bocaky's. It

(37:52):
was cottage in history. So I was doing this and
these huge crews and I'm telling you there was nothing
more fun than Bacakay night. There was just something about it.
And it was like pulling up to a concert. It
was like it used to thrive in the anarchy and

(38:14):
the chaos, all these things and they were just it
wasn't like shooting porn. I was shooting. It was a
sporting event. It was not porn.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yeah, like the Olympics.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
It was like it was like performance art. Yes, and
I'm telling you there was some We'll say there were
a couple of girls that did not like it, but
for the most part, the girls loved it, loved it. Yeah,
I'm telling you, if we could have done a trans
girl in Bacakey back in those days, would have been huge.
But you couldn't get the guys that would come and
do it, or even the gay ones. You just couldn't
get the guys that would do it, whereas the straight

(38:44):
guys had no problem doing this, and we'd have a
lot of you know, they guys would chose to watch
all the dicks beating off, and you know, then you
had the you know, the the chicken hawks house. I
used to call that the guys who tried to poach
my guys because we were paying a lot of money
on the advertising. Because everybody was doing those things. I
remember that Baker's doesn't you know it would fuck you
and thirteen guys beat off at the ending. The term

(39:05):
mope came out of the cocky boys. It would show
up on all those other sets, and everybody was doing
gang bangs and trying to, you know, beat each other's
gang bang record at that time too. So the late nineties,
I always tell people that was my favorite time. Import
late nineties early two thousands was just crazy.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It was the heyday to me. Yeah, you know everything
crashed what nine or whatever, and when the you know,
housing market, class everything it went to shit. But that
was a wonderful era. It was really funny because it
was just crazy. Yeah, because the Bakakis were nuts. And
then I will go in the Hall of Fame way
back in those days and like what the fuck am
I going to Hall of Fame for? I felt like
I was over. You go in the Hall of Fame,

(39:43):
your dead. I was actually pissed off when they put
me in, really fucking kidding me. Yeah, hall of Famer.
Then you're supposed to be gone. And you know.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
I just made it into the Hall of Fame two
years ago. Yeah, and I went in our rees that me,
my career is dead.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
That's how I felt back then. Still, I mean I
kept going because yeah, well never really been the guy
down the spotlight anyway. That's what Jeff Mikey say say,
because Jim, you're never the flavor of the year or anything.
You're kind of like the Ramones. You always stall at
the Palladium. Whole career is the Ramones. But look at
who's remembered the Ramones. Yeah, and at least I can

(40:16):
say I had something became Americana Bukaki, some of the
stuff I did. It's not just making stupid movies. Yeah
you know, I mean you.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Know, you're a part of like the fabric of culture.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Yeah, it's like pop culture. It's like life, you know,
which is so much more powerful. So like, at least
when I'm dying, I have that right.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Here lies Jim Power is the founder of American Bukkaki.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, I was figuring, you know, your every day is
could be your last born figure. I could die on
the way home, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
Yeah, thank god. So you've referred to bukaki as feminism
and action.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, I just thought was like, you have these guys
aren't even allowed to touch you. They have to jerk
off to you. You know. So I never took but
cocky is degrading. And who once said to me is like, Jim,
these guys are being degraded, you know, like it was
like jerking off. How we know? It was kind of
like the girl was totally in control. Especially the girls
that really realized they had that power were good at Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

(41:14):
you know, you don't want me to want to. I've
never really liked the shrinking violet types anyway, like powerful women.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Well, yeah, I mean you don't ever want to shoot
a girl. I mean this is the thing, like none
of us want to shoot a girl in the scene.
They don't want to be Yeah, like that is not
enjoyable for me.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
I always loved those wild ye war types. Yeah, I
mean I've always liked the power I like the powerful women.
I've always liked the powerful ones. Ye're really good at
dialogue and like own it. They're the best. They make
the day fun and they were the ones that would
be so good at pa kakis because they realized that
early on. Yeah, I mean like when they said Markocz
did that foot one, he had me get all our
guys for it, you know, to come jerk off on

(41:49):
whoever's feet it was. He was real popular at the time.
We wouldn't do the bakaki but would do them on
our feet. Who knows, but yeah, yeah, but that's all
I was saying that they were the ones kind of
being used.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Yeah, so there's a do you know about this, like
boucocky in Spain Now that they do there's like a
big Bucocki in Spain and they I had never heard
of it. I had on Sophia Locke and.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Then I love her.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, she's amazing good and she was talking about it
and it's like this whole like really interesting, like well they.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Did the German and all that stuff. Yeah, it all
caught on elso.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Theda have a counter, like a clicker counter for how
many loads you can swallow, and they give you like
certain medicine that'll like help your stomach to like I know,
I heard keep all the.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Loads is like I tried to re redo it in
like twenty sixteen because magic was just gone, Well here's
what it was. I thought Prop sixty and sixty three
were going to pass the condom law, right but cocky
when I was I got in trouble with Osha before
that because I'm the only pop for the you know,

(42:56):
the kid you got HIV. I thought that the cocks
were that was okay under Osha, so I had to
permit it. We got the studio, took up porn Antel studio.
We were going to do him live, so we were
doing smaller scale, but kackis because I only had a
budget limited twenty five thirty guys was so we were trying.
We were doing the bacakys live and streaming them on streammate.

(43:17):
So and we started doing that, that whole thing just
kind of fell apart.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
It wasn't so much it was doing okay and streammate,
not enough to really offset the cost. But we were,
you know, still putting on DVDs and we're going to
set up a website, and that just fell apart. So
I did try to redo it after because way back
when before Jam pulled the plug, I told I was
trying to tell him, you should we should be doing
this stuff live. I was trying to get him, but
he wouldn't. He just kind of stopped. He gave up.

(43:44):
He didn't want, you know, and made his money. He
had all this stuff to Upsanity Bus. Remember we got
popped on that during the whole Ashcroft era and stuff.
He just kind of didn't want to do it anymore.
Because I was telling him we should be doing this live.
A lot of this stuff should be live. That we
were doing the gag factors, which I tried. I did
the Facebook hour. I did that stuff on my own
for a while. I was trying to do it live.

(44:05):
It just didn't work as well. The world was changing,
and a lot of stuff we could do back in
those days you can't do anymore. Yeah, I mean the
JM days were insane, the White trash wars, all that stuff.
It's a different era, a different world.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
Yeah, what do you think is the most extreme scene
you've ever filmed?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I don't look at things as extreme, and ye, I
don't know, just because it was harder for me as
it was extreme on the actors. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (44:38):
I can't think of one. I don't none of them
are really I guess they're all extreme, but to me,
not extreme. You know. Again, nowadays I shoot a lot
of very vanilla, boring stuff, so it was obviously from
a different era when I did it, I was looking
at some of the old stuff I did early two
thousands or somebody sitting around somebody were watching some clips.
I'm like, you can't even shoot that shit anymore. And

(44:59):
the this was just running the mill shit like the
girl Ford series. Could you imagine making that nowadays? Yeah,
this is a girl running around basically raping people. The
ground that was actually blue, right. I look at those
like they were brutal, and it was funny. Is actually
wasn't original. The original girl that did it was a psychopath.
If you actually look at the number one. Oh okay,

(45:20):
she truly hated the girls. Holy fuck. Yeah. And I
look at some of this stuff we were doing and like,
you just can't do that stuff anymore. I actually look
at more, like probably more of that type of stuff.
It was like maybe the tough love some of that
stuff we were doing. Yeah, it was just we were
in a world of very it was. It was a

(45:42):
different era that early two thousands got really hard. We
went from jumping the shark craziness in his mean spirited
porn and a ballock really pushed and stuff, and Jeff
Mike would always jump on these trends.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Why do you think that was? Do you think it
was because the Internet came out and suddenly like we
could kind of.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
Do what it. You remember, there was that period where
they were you're literally printing money. You went from the
vhs to the DVD boom, which the companies did really well,
and the whole into the Internet era where they were
also making money again. All of a sudden, then everything
just hit them. Yeah, exploded. I don't know that mean era.
It would probably have to be during that era. I
don't remember any one seen in particular. Yeah, a lot

(46:22):
of times you're talking to people, You're like, oh, fuck,
we start talking about something we did for years ago.
I remember that. You know. It's kind of funny, especially
when the younger, you know, talent will show me, Jim
you did. They almost show me some old clip. I'm like,
fucking for guy who's even there.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
Yeah, I know it's hard. It's hard, Like yeah, when
you're when people ask me those questions are like, what's
the craziest scene you've ever shot? Like, I can't think
about it. But then if I'm sitting around and I'm
talking to like Sean Rivera, he'll bring up something. I'll
be like, oh my god about that.

Speaker 3 (46:49):
Like, okay, Buck, Adam's wife, uh lasted all of one
week as marriage. You know, I'm I'm having her fucking
giant bake octopus we made in a pool, so I'm
having up eight guys run these tentacles. Its giant octopus
with dildos, and the cops get called and the cops
show up. Buck called the cops because I'm an octopus
fucking his wife. There are dildos Okay.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
So we he didn't know about this scene.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
No, he knew I was shooting her and but he
he didn't.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Know it was going to be an octopus.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
He called the cops because he didn't want me shooting
her or something like that, whatever it was. Yeah, he
knew it was an octopus. We didn't want somebody but
anybody but him fucking her or something like this. And
then uh, fucking me up.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
There's an octopus fucking my wife.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Such a love hate relationship for years, you know, bucking me.
Were off and on, worked together from nineteen ninety to
most to his death. Wow, was my mentor you know,
he was my butt. Yeah, and uh, they called the
cops on me and I when I got there, I go, officers,
does this look like a porn? Pull the dildos off
because this looks like a porn. We're making a horror
movie once again, perverted stories.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
You know.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
Did they buy it?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Yeah, he said, you're screaming. You know, it's after hour.
Have we finished the scene though, Yeah, it's after hours.
We'll wrap it right now.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (48:07):
So but you know that are to come for anything
back in those days. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
So, as the father of American bookocky and like shooting
these huge group scenes. What do you think about these
like challenges that are happening today, Like maybe you're not
even following it, but you know, you guys here about
Fella Andy, Andy Knight and Bonnie Blue doing like one
hundred guys in a day, five hundred guys. Now Bonnie

(48:33):
Blue is saying that she's going to have sex with
two thousand guys in one day.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Does anybody actually there? I mean, honestly, I'm even looked
at him. Is everybody in the room at one time?
Or how they're doing it? Have you seen it?

Speaker 2 (48:44):
I have just seen like the clips that they're posting,
like on Instagram and Twitter about the guys like in
line and like coming in and they're doing all the
interviews in the marketing and stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
I mean, I don't care. I love seeing all that
type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I first of all, like I
think that you mentioned earlier, right, like there's so many
people with only fans out there. There's so much competition.
It's a flooded market. It's like whatever you have to
do to get you know that, to stand out from
the crowd. And I've had all three goals on my podcast,
by the way, And I love obviously, like I love

(49:19):
women who are empowered by their sexuality and take control
and just like do whatever the fuck they want and
don't care what anybody says, and clearly like they're all
marketing geniuses because like they are being they know they can.
Their name is on everyone's lips.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Right only fans. Yeah, no, shit, I mean, go for it. Yeah.
So that's why to me, I don't get upset about
those stuff that people do. Like, that's what I'm saying.
When there's how many thousand studios, Hello, what's the odds
are coming after you next time?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, go after her.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
That's my attitude.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Yeah, so that's why I kind of like whatever, I
don't get jealous about it like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, no, I mean I didn't think that you would
disapprove in any but I just wondered what you thought of,
like this as the marketing you know, scheme that they're
that they're using, and you know, obviously like the there's
obviously a lot of pushback from the public, and yeah,
but why because men are angry. It's you know, it's
the demise of civilization.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It's been around forever, I know, So that's what's so funny.
It's like nothing's shape, Like we're still doing the same ship. Yeah,
it's ridiculous. I mean, Buck said, not what's changed. They're
probably doing this. I guess they really weren't doing the
big gang bangs in the eighties so much. You know,
you know, the gang bangs don't really when are they. Well,
green door and they kind of have stuff. But there's
always orgies back in those days. Yeah, but there was

(50:40):
a reason for that. Yeah, because you know how they
would book the shoots. How are you back in the
seventy eighties, they use it because it's illegal to film,
so they usually have all the actors and you're paid
by the day whether we're and so you be off
at some location. Usually had a swing place, so you're
all there anyway. You get the same amount for what's seen.
So you just tosh all in orgy to end the movies.

(51:01):
Those movies always have the orgies. That's why they kind
of did that.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
M Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Yeah, I'm trying
just trying to think back to the movies that my
parents did, and I feel like I don't think there
was ever more than three people in a scene.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
When were they shooting eighties. They didn't have orgies in them.
They didn't go shopping Big Bear anywhere, San Francisco.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Now, my mom would never travel that far.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Well work okay, well then well yeah, but your mom
was always doing like the pretty girl stuff in the
Hustler or playbook, penhouse whatever, you know, like more of
that type of stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah. Well, and my dad also, like he wrote all
the scripts okay, so you know, he took us to
very serious.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
We used to do always when always do those big
movies for heat Wave, we us always try to have
one orgy in the movies mm hmm. You know, for
the foreign sales, we'd always try to have the big
orgy scene, so we'd have like a thirteen person orgy scene. Yeah,
which were always fun, but you know, you're always trying
to make them different. Okay, we're gonna do it all
in oil, so you realize you're slipping the whole time
when you're trying to shoot them. Yeah, it's a camera guy.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
And you falls so much.

Speaker 3 (52:02):
Yeah. Yeah, it's like that. That was the worst because
they just all roll around in it. Yeah, and there's
always the guys that are really good at it too.
Some people will get this. Oil scenes are a bitch,
but you always need that one guy who just knew
how to slide around into positions who could dominate, you
know what I mean. Certain girls loved it too, so
they knew how to slide around in it. And if
you get down low, you don't go vertical, you're fine. Yeah,
it's the camera. Guys are always slipping on their asses

(52:23):
trying to get in their shoes.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
And then getting like oily hands and then their oily equipment.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Oh yeah, Or they want you to hand them the
loob and you're like, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
That's the worst. When you're holding a camera, they're like,
can you give me the loop?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
It's always the same, No do this day. I'm always like,
now you have the hand, Yeah, you're wiping it.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Oh my god. Well the worst is like when you've
got like the snacks and stuff set up and then
the guy comes over with the dickhands. He's trying to
keep his dick hard and he's just like jerking off.
He's like, oh, peanuts.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Years ago we went to do you do It? I
think it was a late nineties I go to Brussels.
Brussels used to have a porn show in Brussels. You
remember this in Belgium? Was it Belgium? Was Belgium? Right,
I was in Brussels. So I'm in Brussels and my
wife's out there and she's like they always had food
and all this time comes back from Europe. You always
feel classier when you come back from Europe. So she's
gonna come to the set and put out good food

(53:15):
for me, because here's this crap that's being served. So
she gets prosudo and puts out these meat spreads and wine.
All of the studt make it really nice like Europe.
After the first the scene, you know they're gonna be
really nice to have talent. Do you remember Dave Hardman
male talent when he comes walking out right naked, hands
covered and little whatever just did the pop shit Preshudo
reaches his hand and scoops it right in front of

(53:37):
her across the tray. Wam, She's hits him in the head.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
What the hell are you doing?

Speaker 3 (53:44):
You're whacking? You know she was.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Infuriated, but she expects him to get it like a
little she dice shower.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
They all come in there be all nice, nice there,
they'd be appreciated whatever she lost it on it. Oh
you know, so there you go. That's why we can't
have nice stuff on sets because somebody always comes in
with the camm hands. So true, it's always the case, yeah,

(54:14):
you know.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
And okay, so when I was oh my god, when
I was hosting this show for Playboy TV, uh adult
Film School, the guys were because we had to shoot
real couples, the guys would often and they'd never ever
been on camera before, right, they had to be amateur couples.
They'd never showt a scene before, so obviously the guys
would often struggle because it's like a Playboy set's likes.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
Have a new guy fucking on that. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Yeah, it was a nightmare. I'm talking like eighty percent
failure ate. It was pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I'm it's not higher.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
It was they're not injecting, they're not doing anything.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Well, we ended up getting an called no, no, no no.
We ended up getting an on call doctor who would
come to the set prescribed them by.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Why are you just tell them to do that ahead
of time on their own? Because we would.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
But then they always thought they could do it. They
always thought they could do it because they were swinger.
They like to have sex at parties. I could never
I could never convince them that it's a story.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
When you're on set thirty people crew, that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
So initially the first season was in La but then
I think Measure B came around or was Prop sixty,
and then we went to Austin. We shot the rest
of it in Austin.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Im porn illegal to shoot in Texas also, I know
is the most progressive city, but but look we did so.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
But my point was I had my laptop and so
they'd have to pull up porn to watch, and so
I'd have to I'd have to give them my fucking laptop.
Loubie Dickhans all over my laptop trying to get hard,
and what girls with them? It was there, there was
a couple. It was their wife, That's what I'm saying.
Was their wife or their girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Yeah, Like it was very difficult, Like I like, I
used to shoot like a lot of amateur stuff. Even
though I mean, I've always given on new guys because
I always want new.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
People, because like like shooting new guys all the time.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
I still do because I like just just new people.
I'm always trying to shoot new people. I've always been
like that, but like I used to Okay, nineties, there's
another one we did for the Internet. We would did
this line called it could Happen to You because we're
getting all these letters from guys. So we get these
guys and for heat Wave, and he would do it like, Okay,

(56:18):
try to shoot four scenes in a day. You remember
how more we'd shoot more scenes back then and shoot
four scenes in a day, four new guys, and I
would get two girls. We did like several of these
where we have a couple well known porn girls, not
super superstars, the girls that would do this Becausember, that
was an early thing that I want to know these
new guys we get tested because back in the days
of Eliza testing half our test, right, Yeah, And so

(56:40):
we'd get these guys, but these girls would eat them
alive because it'd be two of them and they and
these were like I would kind of have the they
were pro girls, but you know, these guys didn't know
what they're getting into. Yeah, and all that one time
that's when we had a guy jump climb out the
window he saw the other guy failing in the scene
before him, and these two girls were just like aniacs.

(57:00):
And I don't remember who the girls were. You can
probably pull it up and look at him. And so
he goes, I just go to the bathroom. He goes
in the bathroom and all right, we're right for the
next guy. And the production managers like comes up to me.
The son of a bit. He's locked in the bathroom
and people are banging on the bathroom you can't open
and breaking the door. Somehow he went out the window
and escaped. And the guy who did the best scene

(57:22):
was he was a quadriplegic, but he was a would
compete in the wheel in basketball and wheelchairs.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Yeah, so he did his strong arms.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
No, but he had the injection. Four people had injections
the cabbagejacket, and he did it. I didn't realize at
the time he had added because this was the early
days of cabajack. He did it, and like, wow, this
guy's amazing. The girls are all happy, just but you
can't move around. You limited to reverse the regular cowgirl.
But he fucked them. And that was the best one
of all these guys we had in this. Seriously, they

(57:50):
were all failing on their left and right, but that
was only me in the room shooting them. We'd have
a lighting guy he can kind of leave the room
if there's a problem, and the still guy come in
and out. But a lot of times I would just
be left alone and they're shooting them, so I would
get more. Yeah, they'd get through it, but it wasn't amazing.
Some guys down out failed. But yeah, these new guys,
they don't realize how tough it is.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
So considering that you work with new people all the time,
and you'd like to work with new people, and obviously
year you know, you've seen the talent pool change over
the years. What's the biggest difference between talent nowadays versus
like when you first started, or do you see a
difference at all.

Speaker 3 (58:28):
It's the more we change, the more it stays the same,
so it's like it blends together. The big difference now
is the girls know no history of porn whatsoever. But
they never did you know of anything who came before them.
It's really funny, you know that. Yeah, no history. Oh yeah,
they all know who Tracy Lawrens was. They don't know
who j Jamison. Yes, they don't know who Ron Jeremy

(58:48):
is anymore. These are names from the past. So they
have no history, but that's not really changed. What's different
is a lot of them did get into porn, not
so much because they're horny, but because it's a way
of making money. And they're all brought up on Instagram
and stuff from a young age and it's just about
getting eyes on them. So they're not necessarily as sexual
as they once were, you know what I mean. Yeah,

(59:09):
it was.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
It was a big difference, more like about marketing now than.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah, it's very much. They talked about the brand, but
it's a very much difference. So the girls are different
in that regard. As before, a lot of the good
porn girls really weren't info maniacs days. They had to
be well because or at least the could act like it.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Yeah, I mean you were, you were facing you were
giving up a lot of your life right to follow
this career.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I mean, you give a stigma that family sizes you.
And here's another thing they had to do before viagrant
all this stuff. They had to make that guy believe
they liked them just for that moment. Nowadays, thank god,
we have these guys that are on viagra, the sialis,
are injecting whatever they're doing. They have so many more
options than they did in the old days. There's a
reason why those ugly, old, hairy guys and mustaches were important. Yeah,

(59:54):
because they're perverts and they can get their dicks hard.
And the girls were different too, because they knew how
they had to really get into the guy's head just
at least pretend you liked him for an hour. Yeah,
and now it's not. That's the big difference. I think
girls are really getting into it. They know what they want,
which is good, and I mean that's the biggest difference.

(01:00:15):
They know what they're getting into because you don't really
get girls anymore. This is new to them. They've been
fucking on cam or they started they've been camming or something.
They have experience before they get in.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
So you're saying that you don't really get the girls
that are like super naive. They don't like walk on
set and they're just like, oh my god, this isn't
what like I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
No, right, No, we don't. Yeah, I'm not used to
having these people. Rather God, they don't know what scripts are. Yeah,
you know, okay, there's certain things like yes, they'll be
naive to the acting, right, that's the big difference. Yeah,
it's the acting, not the sex. They know, they even
look at They've watched these porn girls. I have girls
that will say I love what's her name? You know

(01:00:51):
Christy Mack. Christy Mack shot girl the other day and
she got into porn because of Christy Mack. She loved
Christy Mack. What she was doing. I shot girl. You
years back? She had Brianna Banks tattooed on her buffer bussy.
Really not making this up. I forget her name, another
one google it she has. I'm shooting her to circle
two thousand and sixteen ish for fourteen, somewhere around then,

(01:01:15):
and Brianna had left for again because Rihanna dates back
to like two thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, Brianna came and went quite a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Well, yeah, she came and went, and I'm shooting this girl.
I go, why did I say Brianna Banks on your belly?
I'm thinking maybe that's her real name? I mean, who
would tattoo a porn girl on their name? That's the
thing guy I would do. Yeah, she goes, No, that's
my favorite porn star. Swhear to god, shot this girl
her name is? What was her name? She wasn't around
too long. She hooked up with some guy and they disappeared. Yeah,

(01:01:43):
the usual story. Yeah yeah, so yeah, so they come
in with start with you know, a little background.

Speaker 2 (01:01:50):
Yeah. What genre of porn do you think is growing
the fastest right now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
I don't know which one was really growing. Kind of
it's because I shoot so many different type of things.
I as they're having me do things, like they see
something that's kind of popular, we try it, whether it's
out ahagle or whatever, all these little trendy things in it.
I don't know what's growing. Hopefully the step thing is
dying or shrinking.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I know, it's so funny and nobody likes that genre
well because we can't.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
Let's face, we know what we're really selling. Yeah, but
why do you know? You know what I mean, it's
kind of like it's so homogenized. Really, we all know
what the dream you're selling is. I can beat off
to you, and you're protecting it legally. I get it. Yeah,
But which will always be around? I think it's always
going to be something as long as it's porn. There's
always going to be that fixation with the mom step

(01:02:38):
whatever is the mom dad's daughter or whatever. So that's wow,
there's nothing really new that's really taken off. I see.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
I mean, do you think that the trans genre has
gotten bigger or just more accepted and more visible.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
I think it's become more accepted and visible. Yeah, I
don't know if it's necessarily bigger. I mean, I don't
know about it because it's not really that many of
us still shooting it. Yeah, I mean it's really just
the same few of us that really shoot it. So
I don't know if it's gotten bigger. I mean, it's

(01:03:11):
why it's just marks accepted. Yeah. Yeah, the trials have
is fun. I love doing that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
And you know it's funny when Erica, you know, sent
me your info. She said that you still wake up
every morning excited and leveling to go no, excited about
going to set, and that you still love the shooting
porn after all these years. As such, it's because.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I've never made a good one yet, so the day,
you know, it's like I don't have any laurels to
rest on, so you know, yeah, I mean, what else
can we be doing? Look, I just look at it.
You could be going to a real job. Yeah, And
I learned that early on. I think that what fucked
me up in life is when I first got out
of college, I had some jobs and you start making
money and I was being a stockbroker, and the company
would go under, You'd be fucked. So there's no such

(01:03:58):
thing as stability. Yeah, so you got live for the day.
So I think, you know, you said them on. I
make the most of it. I mean, it really is fun.
You could be. I know, it's a lot of work,
but yeah, it's not, you know, because at least you're
creating something, you know. So that's why I like it.
And usually a lot of times you're meeting new people. Yeah,

(01:04:18):
you know. So that's why why I like new people too,
because I don't like seeing the same people over every day.
You know, it's neat and shooting new people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
What's your favorite thing about the adult industry and what's
your least favorite thing.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Well, my least favorite is I think you just have
so many rules now. I think we're we have so
many rules and restrictions and you don't have free rite
people think you do. We used to have much more
than you do now. But my favorite thing is that
being said, buck, we have a lot more you can
do get away with and do than you could in
any other job. So there's a lot of freedom to
this and you can you know, pick and choose and

(01:04:51):
you know, do this type of stuff and you have
creative some sort of creative license to have fun. So
that's my favorite thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I agree, Well, Jim, think you so much for
coming on. That was massively entertaining. I got more boot
cocky in this episode that I've ever gotten in any
other episode. I think my bocky, my boutcocky cup has
been filled.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Excellent. Well, it's all about excess.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
I do have some questions for you, for my Patreon members,
which I will ask you in a separate segment. That's
all right. In the meantime, can you tell people where
they can find you online? Do you have social media?

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
I have a Twitter, okay, Jim powers xxx fantastic And
then what sites are you shooting for right now? Like
where can people go find your work?

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
I shoot. I do a lot of stuff for adult time.
So I do those milf overloads, I do the accidental
gang bangs. I shoot for gender acts. Accident, I was
an accident. Nobody plans on a gang bang? Now for
I do gender X Byphoria I shoot some stuff for
dog part and uh doubles. We still do the Devils. Yeah,

(01:06:00):
my wife who names the companies. I shoots like Devil's dogfart.
You're like yeah, so yeah, you can find me and
find my stuff there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
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