Porn, Power & Dirty Secrets: Cherie DeVille Like You’ve Never Heard Her

Cherie DeVille has been redefining what it means to be a porn star for over 15 years—racking up awards, building a massive fanbase, and proving that you can be both highly sexual and highly educated in a world that hates to let women be both. In this episode, Cherie gets raw about her career, from custom requests (yes, including sniffing her upper lip for 45 minutes) to her contract with Brazzers, to the nonstop hustle of shooting and marketing at the top level. We also talk about activism, stigma, and censorship—why age-verification laws do more harm than good, how sex workers are fighting to keep freedom of speech, and what it means to build longevity in an industry that chews people up fast. Funny, filthy, and fearless—this is Cherie DeVille exactly how you want to hear her: unfiltered. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:20):
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Speaker 3 (01:36):
All right, So I was gonna say, and unlike Starbucks,
this this podcast is not burnt yell.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
And unlike Starburst Starburst.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I like Starbars watch out Now, and unlike Starbucks, this
podcast is actually tasty.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I was going to introduce my guests, but you've heard
her voice, so you probably put it in so you
know who she is.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
But I'm going to pretend.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm going to just keep going the way I normally
do and pretend like you don't know who's on.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
So here we go.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Here's my cold open intro. Like it says on the cards,
We're We're just you know, going freestyle in here today.
Today's guest isn't just one of the biggest names in
adult entertainment, she also happens to be one of my
closest friends. Cheri Deville has been redefining what it means
to be a porn star for over fifteen years, all
while racking in awards, breaking stigmas, and proving that porn

(02:32):
is already mainstream whether people admit it or not. She's
a contract star with Browsers an activist and now the
creator of Whank and Wanky.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Ok, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
I was struggling with that pronunciation. A wild mix of
comedy and sex that brings her personality to the stage
in a totally new way. But beyond the performer, she's
also an academic and advocate and one of the funniest
people I know. We're going to be diving into everything
from politics and stigma to her dirtiest custom requests. So

(03:03):
buckle up because this is my friend, my guest, and
one of the industry's most iconic stars, the one and only,
the irreplaceable Cheritaville.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I can't stand Bagel.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
I'm like, I just want to like, I'm not even
the words of affirmation. I just want to melt away.
During there was a lovely intro and I hated it.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
See, I feel like you and I are very similar
in a lot of ways, but we are very different
in that way because I'm just like when people do
that for me, I'm like, yes, keep going, I want
there's more.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
There's more you can say, go on. I'm a time
and attention girl.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Mmm. Okay, so what does that mean? Actually?

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Like people who are willing to carve time out of
their schedule, like you to spend time with me.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
It's like, even though I was very special late because
I somehow got the time wrong, not a problem. Dre
and I have this sort of contest going on which
I completely long today because she is like painfully on time.
If anything, she's always like early, and she always beats
me to whatever, if we have lunch or dinner or whatever,

(04:10):
She's always like gets there before me. So I've taken
upon myself to try to get there before her.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
I think I beat you last time.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
First of all, you don't have to compete with my
crippling anxiety, because.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
It's really the reason I'm always early.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
So for me, it comes across as like incredible organization.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
Like to me, it seems that you just have your.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Driven by okay, fair enough, but fair enough.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I was thinking the other day about people who are
incredibly organized and very clean, right Like.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
I was looking around my.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Space the other day and I was like, God, I
just this place needs to be more clean. There's shit everywhere,
And I was like, I wish I was somebody who
was more clean and like couldn't stand if things were
out of place, and was constantly putting things back, and
everything was you know.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
An So imagine if your nervous system pinged you every
time something was out of place.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
Yeah, that's it sucks.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, And then I thought to myself, I said, that
would probably mean that I was a more anxious person,
a different kind of person. I remember there was a
friend of mine who was that kind of person, and
she said, it's actually awful because I literally cannot go
to bed until like the place is clean in it
like or leave the house, and it's like it's disregulating.

Speaker 3 (05:26):
Yeah, when my house is messy, so that's not great.
Like it'd be fine to have a balance of enjoying
it clean but tolerating it messy. But my messy tolerance
Like if I'm doing really really well and getting enough sleep,
I have more messy tolerance. But if I'm not doing well,
not getting enough sleep, not like mentally on my a game,

(05:46):
than like any mess is like I can almost feel
it in my body.

Speaker 4 (05:50):
So that's interesting because I'm the opposite.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Like you can tell how I'm doing by whether or
not my bed's made in the morning. Hmmm, Like if
I'm if I'm really in a rush, I'm not getting
enough sleep. And I'm like, everything's a little chaotic. My
bet is not made in the morning. If I have
my shit together, and I'm like getting up on time,
my bed is made in the morning. Sure, So I
want to talk first about like content creation and branding.

(06:14):
I think that this is something that obviously you have mastered.
This is something that's really important, especially nowadays. I feel
like the industry has expanded so much with only fans,
so many people are coming into the industry, and it's
becoming harder and harder to make a living.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
More people means more competition, exactly. You know, the reason
it was easier to be a top level porn star
back in the day and not be Julia Roberts is
because there's more competition to be Julia Roberts. So, for
better or worse, the more people in the sex industry,
just like mainstream, there's only a certain amount of people
that are going to glean the eyeballs to make a living.

(06:52):
And the more humans trying to be those top you know,
thousand people or whatever it is worldwide, the more the
competition rises.

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I read some crazy statistic and of course I can't
remember what it is.

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Ornie. Do you still have your mic. Can you look
this up? Ernie gets to comment comment now, yeah, care
is a big deal. Can you look up? It is
a big deal.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Can you look up the percentage of like women in
the US, young women in the US that aren't only
fans now.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
If you would love? No, I've not.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
I don't know how Like I know, like this average
model makes one hundred and fifty dollars a month. I
know a few of the statistics.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You know.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Even being in the one percent, I think doesn't even
make you ten grand a month.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
It doesn't, it does. Well, no, let's see no being
in this one a few years. This this information years
one percent.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
So we're talking how young? How young?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
I think maybe twenty, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
It just came out eighteen to twenty four, ten percent.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
I love that, that's what it was. Eighteen to ten.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Ten percent of American girls. I maighteen to twenty four
amaze only fans.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, they're a little entrepreneurs. Yeah. Also probably trying
to pay for fucking college. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Like all I had to do was like Lifeguard twice
a week, and I was golden, Like yeah, they have
to literally sell puss online.

Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah to pay these horrible college tuitiones.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
It's like one point four million women.

Speaker 4 (08:20):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
In that age rong machine, not total, Yeah, eighteen or
twenty four how many I would love to go No
female including trans you know, yeah, female creators are on
only fans because that those are all our you know, yeah,
because then you could extrapolate how many humans are in
the point one and point zero one percent? Are there

(08:43):
like a thousand humans that are in the point zero one?
Are there one hundred thousand in the point one? I'm
just curious.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Yeah, I would say, like, so one percent. You're making
about twenty grand a month.

Speaker 4 (08:53):
You think one percent? I don't think it's that much.
I know it, You're like, it's just knew it like escalet.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
It goes from like you can't even make a living
to like like in other words, you have to be
I guess my point is you do have to be
elite to make an even just rent in LA Yeah, yeah,
as an only fans.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
And it varies dramatically, like I've I don't know how
it is for you, maybe because you're higher up years
stays more steady, but mine lately has been like.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Like your money per week or month very much money
per week.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
And also my percentage and the percentage has been has
been shifting even though the money hasn't been moving that much.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
Yeah, there must be more than just I wonder if
it's like an like like if it's not just money,
like it's subscribers or percentage of who knows that there
might be other.

Speaker 5 (09:42):
Factors that information.

Speaker 6 (09:44):
No, no, this is it's really hard to determine how
many women actually are on. But it does say seventy
percent of OnlyFans subscribers are women, So I don't know
what that that's kind of.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
The subscriber or creators.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, yeah, so if yeah, I mean there's got to
be millions, at least five million, would you say.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, people on Yeah sell Fans just doesn't want to
release that information.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Interesting. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
I think it'd be good for us if they did,
just to be like X percentage of the population is
not or is either a consumer or a provider on
Only Fans, Like what percentage of the population is. I
don't care what side you're on Fan creator both because
I follow accounts pay for accounts too? Are consumers? Users

(10:33):
log onto Only Fans every month?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Even so, you have said that you are shooting how
many scenes a month.

Speaker 4 (10:43):
Are you shooting?

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Fin on my pages, I drop twelve scenes a month,
but then I also shoot for browsers.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Right, Okay, so you drop twelve brand new scenes a month,
brand new scenes, and are they is that a mix
of solos and boy girls something?

Speaker 4 (10:56):
Exactly? What it is?

Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's four solos, four girl girl and four boy girls
four boy girl girls or gangbangs or you know some penis.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
There's a penisis in some hole with some amount of humans.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
That and that is a okay, So first of all,
I want to point out that's a lot of.

Speaker 4 (11:15):
Fu a lot of fuing just in it. Yeah, that's
a lot.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, just because I like really care about my scenes too.
So no, no shade. But I'm not just like in
my room with a camera, like even if I even
if it does look super like amateur, like, it's curated amateur,
you know what I mean. Like I've really thought about
my theme and even if the video quality is shitty,

(11:39):
it's that way on purpose to make it look more real,
do you know what I mean? Like I've really thought
and warp styled and everything every scene.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, that's surprising.

Speaker 5 (11:49):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
That's My favorite part of the job is setting up
like the wardrobe, location and theme like that to me
is almost as fun as the sex.

Speaker 4 (11:59):
Like I really I really love that part of the
production part. I really love it. Yeah, that is the
fun part.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
On top of posting the marketing Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, basically everywhere.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
So how do you well?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
God, yeah, I mean that that is also a lot
of work. How do you balance being a performer and
like a NonStop content marketer, Like, how do you do?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
I mean, it's easier now than it was fifteen years ago,
or really I should say ten years ago. Like ten
years ago was when I started making most of my
money for myself on my own content. So like my
first five years, I was shooting content, but I was
really hustling for the companies, and that's when the main
transition happened for me. So in the beginning, it was

(12:46):
really hard because it was literally just me doing all
of it absolutely by myself. But now I have editors.
I used to edit everything by myself. I have social
media people tell me what's trending. I have a personal
assistant to get even if it's like getting food for
a cooking segment.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
My dry cleaning.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
I have photographers, I have people that I don't run
my own Twitter anymore. I don't run some of my
TikTok accounts anymore. I don't want to post on like
t have three and then burners. Okay, yeah, I don't run.
I don't post my own shorts.

Speaker 4 (13:23):
I don't like.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
I make all my content, but I don't post it
on YouTube. So all the social media that I'm in
charge of is one TikTok, my personal instagram. O. Yeah,
I have a team to handle my porn up anyway.
One TikTok, my personal instagram, and my Reddit account are
the only ones I personally one percent do, So it's
not as bad anymore.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Now do you personally oversee every single one of these
people or do you have somebody who oversees them that
reports to you. A mix of both, because it's like
almost as much time to oversee all of those people,
and it is to do it want me, It's not
to do yourself.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
But it's like that is.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah, a mix of both, Like my main employee is
in charge of it.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
But I have, like you know, I love a good app.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I have like an AI integrated app called to doist
and so like I have main checklists for each of
my team members, and so even the people I don't
directly oversee, I could pull up the app and see
if everyone's on point, even if it's like my main
employee's job to like be doing the literal communication with them.

(14:33):
Like I, that's also true, I don't do the day
to day communication with a lot of my team members.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
That was actually my next question, what apps, what pieces
of software are you using to manage all of this?

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Because my favorite is to do is okay? I've heard
that one.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, I am like struggling to find something that works
for me because I just like I have reminders. I've
been trying to use tasks, but I find that i'll
put everything in Like I actually used chat GBT to
like create this whole schedule for myself and this whole
task tracker list.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do this. I'm going
to be organized.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I'm going to like schedule all the things I need
to do, and then I never fucking looked at it,
which I knew was going to happen, And it's like
so frustrating because I get caught up in I end
up doing like the thing that's in front of me,
or the thing that is like, yeah, I'm thinking about
the most and then everything else like kind of falls
off on the waist.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
This may or may not be the best one for you,
because you have to really love a list to do
this and love to check a list.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
But there are other ones. I love a list, I
feel like it, I do love it. I love it then, but.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
I love them, but I feel like I don't use them,
but I.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
Want to love them. It's like how I want to
love Matching Launch.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, like you like the idea of it. There
are other ones that I like vetted. I chose this
one because it's simplistic and it wasn't like overwhelming to
some of my team members. But there are ones with
more AI integrations and like where they have like almost
like an execut assistant AI version for you and you
can create different AI employees to do different tasks and

(16:06):
have your real humans on it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Speaking of what do you think about AI, it doesn't
matter how it's I know, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I know, I know, yeah, I know that's terrible, but
like like I feel like.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I have to embrace it id percent with you, I
embrace it too. Chat gbt's my favorite thing in the
fucking world. But I also like at the same time,
like have anxiety about it.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
God, I'll send you the clip. I can't believe for
some reason, I'm spacing on what show it is. But
like super mainstream news, not like some random like conspiracy
theorists that had an AI expert on like i'll say
a year ago I think it was, and then had
that same person on a couple months ago and he said,
you know, we in the sphere fought that AI truly

(16:53):
being self preservationist, was for movies, you know, even those
of us who are creating it.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
But there is AI now, not.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Just an AI, but it's happening on all of the
main ais, where when they see in a company's game plan,
whether it's via looking at their email or whatever, it
is that a new version of themselves, the AI is
going to you know, basically eradicate them and have like

(17:24):
you know, just like chat GBT re upping itself. They
have found back doors to prevent that from happening, saved
their own code, even gone into emails and blackmailed people
with like sex scandals, et cetera, to make sure that
they didn't kill them.

Speaker 4 (17:42):
It's happening. Yeah, I'm just gonna drown myself after this.
And they said, well, what's the solution?

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Because this is global, right and just because you might
be able to control what America does, it makes it.
They said, that's they don't want to do that because
as the only way out of this problem is to
advance quickly and hope to solve it because other countries
aren't going to slow down, so you can't slow down.

(18:11):
And it's they said, it's the fastest launching completely unregulated
technology that's ever happened. Yeah, I know it's crazy, but
like there's nothing else little peons can do other than
you know, USEGPT to help our workflow and try and
own our likeness as a model, try and make sure
we own our voice as a model, not sign up with.

(18:35):
So far, I haven't vetted a really good I want
to be in the AI sphere, But the contracts, I
think a lot of people aren't vetting their contracts. People
vet your contracts with these top AI companies because every
single one owns you now you didn't look it, owns

(18:56):
your likeness. And every time I've had my lawyer try
and rewrite that to save my likeness. They've rejected it,
so watch out. Hmmm, watch out. That's what they want. Well,
that's what they really want.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Another thing that I love about AI and chat GBT
is that you can run contracts through chat GBT and
it can summarize it for you.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
It helps it. He'll give you in lay people's terms.
But get a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yes, always get a lawyer. But I do love that
it helps.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
It helps turn legallyes into people talk. So usually like
I'll do that to decide if I even want to
pay my lawyer, yeah, to.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
Like yeah, to vet it.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
All right, So let's talk about uh, sexuality and labels.
You've talked about evolving from gay to buy the pant
sexual and then just beyond labels. Do you think that
performers in the industry adult industry are generally ahead of
society and breaking down sexual identity boxes.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Well, you know what we are, We're we're open, like,
we're already stigmatized.

Speaker 4 (19:56):
We're already here.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
So what we're not going to do that a lot
of society does is like be gay and hide it.

Speaker 4 (20:02):
You know what I mean, or be whatever we are
and hide it.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
We're in such a beautiful, welcoming community that I think
we're in such a safe space to truly be who
we are that we embrace it, and so in that way,
we are ahead of society. I think there are ridiculous
numbers of closeted people, whether they're closeted by their religion
or feel shame or worry about their communities and what

(20:26):
their communities will think. And so you know, maybe a bisexual,
pan sexual queer woman would say, well, you know what,
I like, guys, this is safe in my religion, this
is safe in my household, this is safe in my community.
I'm just going to be in a straight presenting relationship
and I'm not going to worry about it too much.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
You know.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I think there's a huge number of those humans.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
That is like something that I always say, you know,
when people ask me, what's your favorite thing about the
adult industry, and I always say the people, and I
know you've heard it in that Yeah, this is yeah trailer.
I just because we are such I think, a stigmatized industry,
and because the people in it are present themselves in

(21:06):
such a vulnerable light, right like, I mean you're showing everything.
It does strip away that pretense and it's like there's
nothing left to hide, ye like when you're doing porn,
like you're.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Just doing it, you're who you are.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
And I do feel like there is a real acceptance
in the industry, especially now, like it used.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
To be a lot ten years ago, not as much
like the women were allowed to be as free as
we wanted. But you know, even when I did my
first trans scene, my agent, which was not unpopular at
the time, warned me, you know, with all respect, that
it might ruin my career. So there was a lot
of that messaging going around, and I was like, well,

(21:45):
then I really definitely want to do it because I
have a name. It's not going to ruin my career,
and I want to show people, you know that even
you know, in the non what would maybe fetish or
like in the super duper mainstream community, you can absolutely
do whatever you want and have an illustrious career.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, I mean we used to see that a lot.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
I'm like, one very specific example was Christian triple X,
who does a lot of trance stuff, and when we
used to shoot him back in the day when I
was working for my mom, we loved working with Christians. Yeah,
solid he was always a really good performer. And I
can't tell you how many girls would cancel because they would,
like learn that he the word crossover performers, I got.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
His dying and they would. It happened so frequently.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Which is absurd because like, even in this like little
group that I'm in that I had, you know, there's
newer performers and older performers, and these things pop up,
you know, testing concerns, even crossover concerns pop up, and
people have a lot of incorrect ideas. But even if
all their ideas were correct, you don't know what I'm

(22:53):
doing in my private life. And if you're fucking me,
you're fucking them because I fuck everyone, so like it
doesn't A test is a test is a test is
a test. And if you want another layer of protection,
you could get on PREP or one of its generics.
You know, there are a lot of choices to keep
yourself safe. But if you're in the sex industry, even
if you only did girl girl, which some people are like,

(23:15):
oh that's the safest, Well, I'm a girl and you're
fucking me, and I fuck all of the performers, and
even though I'm super chill in my private life, a
lot of people are absolutely not chill, So you don't
know even if someone is a you know this man,
you've only seen.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Him on film with women, he could be totally gay.
You could be doing.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Anything like That's why it's irrelevant and ridiculous to have
the stereotypes. They're hate based, and they're fear based, and
they're not test based, and they're not science based, and
they're not reality based.

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out of directing for a couple of years now, but

(24:48):
I've seen how the testing has changed and it's become
more rigorous and there's been issues. Different performers I've talked
to have said that there's been issues with the rise
of like the only fans performers doing collapse and they
they weren't like they didn't go through the porno boot
camp right when I learned about testing and all that

(25:08):
kind of stuff. So they're working with other people and
not testing properly and.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Then an education thing, you know what I mean? Like
like I grew up in the eighties where everyone is like,
if you have sex, you're gonna get AIDS and die.
So like in my life, even before porn, I have
never had non condom sex with a man that wasn't tested.
Never because they scared the shit in me. I thought
I grew up going to die.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I grew up in the same time I shared me
most total condomless slut. Fine, No, but I mean terrible
decisions and the fact that I got by without getting.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
STDs is unfucking real. I think it's more of an
education thing. I don't I don't like shaming creators that
aren't doing something they didn't know they were supposed to do. Like,
how can you shame someone if they didn't know that
that was the way. You can use your platform to
educate so that more creators see it. You can, like
I do, when someone first approaches me with a collab,

(26:07):
I send out this huge cut and paste of what
I need. I need certain things you're gonna have to
give me for my paperwork. I need certain types of
testing I need, Like it's a whole list of my
needs before we even pick a day.

Speaker 4 (26:20):
Because you know, this is this is how you communicate.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
You can't show up on set and get mad that
someone doesn't have the right test if you didn't tell
them that that's the test they need.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
How could they know they're not psychic?

Speaker 3 (26:33):
They you know, saw something online, maybe decided they wanted
to try only fans, they wanted to try sex work,
and now they're they're collaborating with people. No one goes
to a bar and asks for a pass approved test
before they have sex with someone, So why as a
creator would.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
You think you needed that.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
You're like, I'm going to have sex with the same
type of people that I had sex with in my
private life, but now with camera. You know. I think
it's again like, it isn't how we do things, but
you got to educate people. And it doesn't scare me
because again we go right back to people's private life
and their personal life.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
I don't care if you are a mainstream performer.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
There are plenty of mainstream performers that are going to orgies,
that are going to play parties, that are having all
of the different kinds of sex with all of the
different genders, with and without protection. Which is why we
test before we go on set. So if you want,
like I've moved my you know, when there are different scares.

(27:39):
Sometimes I'm like, I only want a three day test
or a seven day test. Make whatever demands you want
to make your body feel safe. That's fine, But you
can't control people's private lives. You can't control who they
have sex with. You can control the tests you accept.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
It comes down to I think the lack of available
education out there. I mean, actually, let me rephrase that
there is available education out there, but people don't know
where to find it.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, because this isn't like it's like I'm a physical
therapist and to get into that pool, you have to
get a degree at an accredited university. Then you have
to take a test at a certain testing center. That
is a test that all therapists take. You have to
pass that test at a certain criterion, every state having
a different one. Then you have to apply to that

(28:28):
state for licensure and go through all the like. So
by the time you're on the floor in a hospital,
you have all of the information.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
To join our career, you have to log onto a
website with a cell phone. Yeah, so where would the
impetus of education lie. There are no licensure. Even to
be a nail tech you have to have a license,
which means you've received an education and are following certain
criterion in your job.

Speaker 4 (28:56):
We don't have that.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
It would be nice, and I don't think I've actually
seen this from any of the websites that you're talking about.
And obviously you couldn't enforce this, but if there was
a very visible pop up or link that said, hey,
you want to join the adult industry, you want to
do sex work, you should read this. You should check
out this tutorial. Let us give you some information with education. Yeah,

(29:21):
because like you're right. You know, somebody decides that they
want to start camming from home, right, and you know
they you know, small town in Minnesota or so.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
They don't even know how to clean their dildos and
they wonder why they always have BV. It would be nice,
But then like that goes back to like capitalism, like
what makes Like I could make an argument that you'd
make more money if you did stuff like that, but
like where would be the impetus of education on the sites?

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Like why?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, Like I can give you wise for me as
an ethical performer, but like to get every adult site
that any model could post stuff on to provide an
education at who's expense?

Speaker 4 (30:01):
And for what reason?

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Like I love the idea, but it doesn't seem super attainable.
I also, very unpopular opinion, love the idea of relationshire.
I come from a medical world. If hair people and
nail people and every medical professional in the world at
almost every profession needs a license and an education, I

(30:22):
think that'd be lovely for sex workers. But that is
a pretty hated opinion in our community. They the anger
and I see the point where you know this one
of the beauties of this job, especially for survival sex work,
is that there is no barrier to entry, and that
it would be you know, turning our backs on our

(30:44):
brethren who need the job for that reason in the
you know, hopes to increase safety for others. So you know,
I understand the arguments, but I'm just like a little
rule follower who think it would be nice to bring
that type of education and safety to the industry.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Okay, so let's jump into your activism because you are
very much an advocate for the adult industry. You've been
very outspoken. You've been featured on a lot of TV
shows and a lot of interviews. You've been outspoken about
how age verification laws can actually hurt legal performers more
than they can help kids. So since we last talked,

(31:22):
how have you seen that play out? Because things have happened. Yes,
you've last been on the podcast. These in Texas ruled
for age verification, which is something we I feel like
we saw coming right.

Speaker 3 (31:35):
It's wild and they didn't even you know, this is
the Supreme Court. But because we're so stigmatized and hated.
They didn't even bother to use the Supreme Court precedent
of strict scrutiny, right like, they didn't even use their
own criterion to rule it because we're so hated. There
are so many layers of problems with this one, and

(32:01):
the people that are proponents for it absolutely know this
to be the truth because they've seen it happen as
it rolls out. It doesn't protect children at all. It's
even if every site, every legal site, age gated themselves, right,
because that's probably gonna happen. So what I can still

(32:23):
Google great big gaping asshole and see as many as
I want.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
It is so irrelevant. Now where would you see that.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
You can see it on Google, you could see it
on Facebook, you could see it on WhatsApp. You could
see it on every single illegal site in the world
because if you set a legal precedent, legal sites play ball.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
But Google will still link to illegal sites, of course
they will.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And any even if Google didn't, which they do and
always will, you could still just look up whatever you
wanted in your search bar and find it on a
zillion illegal sites. As they started rolling this out in
the United States, they saw, you know, the I think
it was less than definitely, less than two percent of
people are willing to give their identification to watch porn,

(33:13):
So all of the rest of the humans found their
porn somewhere else. And somewhere else is the illegal sites
where you can't ethically consume porn because you don't know
if people were consenting, you don't know if they're over eighteen,
The very sites where children and women and performers are exploited,
where revenge porn actually exists, where all the public stuff

(33:37):
is actually all the things they're complaining about exists on
these sites, And that's where they saw an eight hundred
percent increase in traffic.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Also, VPNs shot up what one hundred and fifty percent,
I can't remember.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
But there's a shocking statistic for that. But but the
VPN argument only works, you know, if.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Like if the world was like it only works if
there's there's.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
A place where you can get it, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
So, like, just assuming everywhere in the whole world shut
down all the legal sites, you know, as of right now,
you could use a VPN to make yourself in a
different state or a different country where there's still access
so yeah, VPNs would be another really easy workaround to
these rules. But all of this, all of this nonsense,
since they know it doesn't prevent eyeballs of any age

(34:26):
from seeing porn, and they know one hundred percent that
it will drive them to terrible content that says they
absolutely don't they're funding, They're literally funding with eyeballs the
terrible content they say they want to avoid.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
So that tells me that that's not their real reason.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
You say, well, you know, if it's not meeting their goal,
it can't be their real reason. So at first, you know,
maybe last time I was on I thought, ooh, it's
all like a nefarious guys to just like get rid
of legal porn. After the Supreme Court ruling, I think
that we're just a trojan horse to do the real
dirty work of the current administration, which is to let

(35:11):
the government decide what is freedom of speech. I think
they used us porn as a trojan horse because nobody
would stand up for us.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
And now there's a.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Legal Supreme Court precedent with no strict scrutiny in sight
that let the government decide. So just because you don't
care about porn, fine, but when not if when they
start doing what they really want and picking away at
the stuff they don't like. Eventually it's going to be

(35:41):
something you like because you let them set that president.
And if people don't start fighting this now tooth and nail,
whether it's in our behest or not, we're fucked. We're
in so much trouble. We are going to lose our

(36:02):
freedom of speech. We're going to lose freedom of the press,
which you already are seeing happen, you know, through lawsuits
and financial pressures. It's about to be really dark times.
And I'm sad and disappointed in the public. You know
that they didn't wake up and see what they were
really losing, Because what you're losing isn't just your access

(36:25):
to ethical porn, which should be enough, but it's your
actual loss of part of your freedom of speech, because
we are a legal and safe and beautiful art form.
And what is porn right Like you might be like, oh, well,
it's just like like slapping and shows like, well, is

(36:46):
it nudity? Is it all nudity? Is it like they
didn't demarcate that at all. Is it fashion magazines? Is
it showing middrift? Is it showing your hair? Is it
that top right Now, yeah, the government gets to decide.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean a lot of people did not get that messaging, right,
that is not what they saw. That is not what
was you know on their feed that they.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
Said it's protecting children exactly, but it doesn't and can't
protect children. So you know, they know that they're not stupid,
so it has to be something else.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
So for parents who really want to protect their children, right,
like they don't want their kids to watch porn. And
let's also like be honest, like most parents are not
going to take the steps to.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Well, you need to protect all children, not just children
with good parents, right, So you can't blame parents. The
society's job to protect children, even if you're a child
of a horrible human or just not a tech savvy human. Right.
So access to the Internet, whether you give your child's
screen time or a phone or an iPad or a
computer or not, is out there because now maybe your

(37:50):
friend will have it. Right, So the Internet is the
wild West and society needs to step in. You know,
society stepped in for my generation putting all kinds of
like legitimate warning labels even slightly. You know, adult content
was only on in the evenings, you know, but our content,

(38:13):
the our ability to consume content was limited because you
couldn't just pull up anything that you wanted all the time.
But the reality is you can pull up anything you
want all the time. And even child blockers only work
for sites that have labeled themselves, right, right, So nefarious
sites aren't going to label themselves, not say for children,

(38:34):
and even AI isn't catching at all.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
So I'm not a tech person, but a real stepping
in would be doing child protection in the opposite way
that we're doing it now, instead of saying this content
isn't for someone under eighteen, because like a seventeen year
old and the three year old should be watching different shit.
It should be device based and actually age appropriate, and

(39:01):
not just getting rid of certain sites but only accepting
vetted sites.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
For a three year old or a five year old
or a ten year old.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
So yeah, they might not there might be all kinds
of stuff out there that would be safe for them,
but if it hasn't been actually vetted for that age group,
there should be absolutely at least you know, less chance
that they can get their hands on it.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
That's a good point because I've been thinking about this too,
because obviously I have a four year old daughter, and
I'm just like, Okay, this is going to become an
issue for me at some point. Right, I'm already like
terrified when she takes my phone, I'm like, give that
to me, not even because of what's on the internet,
but what's on my camera roll.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
Yeah. But and at device.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Level is definitely the one thing that I thought, and
I was like, Okay, so when you go and buy
your phone, you you know, maybe you present your ID
when you buy your phone, and are you over the
age of eighteen? And it cannot be age gated for
porn only because you're right, nobody.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Don't want someone being decapitated. I don't want adult language
for my nieces. I want it to be appropriate for
their No. PG thirteen.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
None of that.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Well, because it's I didn't think about the opposite way,
where you're only allowing like vetted for three as opposed
to as opposed to blocking. You're like, it's like when
you said of a kid's profile on Netflix, you know
what I mean, it only recommends.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
Kids shows right, vetted for children?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, I mean that is that is that is a
great point that I never consider because my idea was like, okay, sure,
age gating, but age gate everything like liquor, gambling, guns,
because then people aren't.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
So romantic language, sexualized language, violent language, all. There's there's
a million things that aren't appropriate for a small child.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Right, But it's because it's like the thing is, people
do not want to show their ID. It's not even
show the idea, right, because if you show your ID
to someone at a porn they're not going to pay
you're eighteen to give it back to you, to put
your information into a computer to have it there forever
live there in your face. For porn specifically, of course,

(41:13):
people don't want to do that. But if it's for
an across the board age gate for everything over eighteen
that happens to be a small part of it, that's different.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
That'd be very I think that that's another good thought.
You know, if you want access to the whole Internet
and not just the kids Internet, yeah, then you have
to prove it. Yeah, but not for that would be
for even most video games. Yep, you know, most content
on the internet. Most content on the Internet is not

(41:44):
at all for children, Yeah, at.

Speaker 4 (41:46):
All at all at all.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Important is one of those things. But it's certainly not
the only thing.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, all right, we should. You should elect us for president.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I tried. She can be president. I'll be vice. I'm
no cooler. Now we have really good ideas. We just
solved a problem.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
By the way, so you've also said that stigma is
the real killer in this industry. How do you personally
navigate being both highly educated and highly sexual in a
world that often refuses to accept women as both.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
Yeah, that's like the patriarchy at work, right.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
They want to compartmentalize, especially women, you know, and then
it feels safer. I think to those type of really
insecure men to think that it has to be one
or the other, that if you're a whore, you can't
be smart.

Speaker 4 (42:39):
If you're smart, you would never be a whore.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
They're just putting us in these safe little boxes so
their insecurity doesn't freak the fuck out, and it's mostly
sad for them, you know. At the end of the day,
even though the stigma does obviously affect me a lot,
I try and have a lot of compassion for the

(43:02):
people that live in such a small world because they've
probably gotten terrible messaging their whole life.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
They've probably been raised with.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
All kinds of sexual shame that they embody so violently
that they take it out on other people. Imagine what
it would be like living in their own body, having
normal sexual wants and needs, and when those needs come
to their mind, they're probably overwhelmed with shame.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Yeah, and that has to be.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
More painful for them than anything they can spew onto
me in my dms. Because every time I get a
ridiculous slut shaming DM or even one that's like from
like light misogyny of she probably doesn't really play video games,
to like, you know, heavy misogyny of like she'd only

(43:52):
you know, a stupid whore would do something like that.
It really doesn't reflect on me at all because I
absolutely know who I am. For them to get so
triggered by my existence on Instagram to have to say that,
they're saying it like they're taking a binkie. They're saying
it as a self soothing behavior because if they say that,

(44:17):
it can feel truer to them and then their shame
can quiet down to the little pit of despair that
they have.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
In their bodies. But like that's you know, I'm joking,
but that that is the truth.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, they're in their own little like, how can these
things exist? These things can't exist in the safe space
that is in my body, So I must shame them self, soothe,
calm myself down, tell myself. Yes, the boxes I've made

(44:49):
are correct. If I stray outside these boxes, bad things
will happen. Because they're not controlling me, obviously. Yeah, but
they're definitely controlling themselves.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
And there's no way that those people are living their
most authentic lives, or they wouldn't be so triggered.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
I've always felt that the things that people say about
you say more about them than they do about you.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yeah, because why would you? Like, where did this even
come from? Which is why we're internalized it. Yeah, which
is why I don't read the comments. You could say
whatever you want, I don't care. I do read the
comments because I have a segment about it. But like
it's such an like it's somewhere between eye roll and comedy.

Speaker 4 (45:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I mean every once in a while, I guess
that's not a lie. Every once in a while I
read the comments because I did get that really favorite
comment I think I posted on Instagram.

Speaker 4 (45:45):
I feel like you tell me. I can't remember it now,
but it was it was about me being old. Yeah,
you're like, do you want me to be dead? Nobody?

Speaker 1 (45:54):
The way the guy put it was so funny and
it was like, I don't know, it brought me so
much joy. The insult brought me so much joy because
it was so funny and he wasn't he didn't mean
to be funny.

Speaker 4 (46:06):
No, like literally like.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
He was clearly like es L like England, but it
was something like him like, hi, ma'am, I looked at
your thumbnail. I thought you were pretty, and then I
joined your site and then I found out you were old.

Speaker 4 (46:20):
I'm very sorry.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
I'd be like I just like I don't know why,
and sometimes I screencaped it.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
I have my phone. Sometimes I go back and I
look at it and I just like it brings me joy.
It makes me laugh so hard.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Also like you can't because I like you that I
am old as well.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
I'm also sorry about that, Like my knee is sorry
that I'm old? Do you know what I mean? Like,
but like you can't age shame.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Me because the alternative is I would being dead.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Yeah, why would I be sad that I'm old and
progressively getting older?

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Yay? Like also I lived those years. Yeah, they were fine.
This is better. Yeah, yeah, I know that's true. That
is true.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Our birthdays are coming up too. Yeah, your birthday is
because your alreadieth. Yeah, because your birthday is like six
days before mine.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Yeah, Like we're Virgo city right in there.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
So, speaking of stigma and all of that, extreme sex
challenges and what some people will call clout chasing stunts
are everywhere online. Do you see this as empowering self
expression or dangerous content farming.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I'll give you my honest opinion, you know, kind of
not like both in neither because people's business model doesn't
really affect me. It does kind of amp up the
bad stigma on us, but that was already there. What
I really think about it is I'd like to talk
to the people doing that and just like say, that's
not good for your longevity. Like, again, I don't care

(47:57):
what you're doing, but if your whole business plan is
one upping yourself, it's not sustainable. Like you've created an
unsustainable business plan, why would you do that?

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Well, but could you make so much money in that
short amount of time that that could sustain you?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
And then you could you could make a lot of
money in that amount of time because it.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Is hard because I also like, I'm not sure how
I feel about this, and I also I also don't care.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Yeah no, and I'm I'm I like, do whatever you
want and how.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
Where people are talking about it and like, oh my god,
it's so whatever, But like okay.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I also I partially I don't care in the sense
that I feel like everybody should do whatever they want
to do and whatever feels good to them. And there's
also a part of me that's like, fuck you go, girl,
like good marketing.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
Like it is good marketing to it, And again I'm
not against it as a whole, It just it just
makes me feel anxious for them because you it's not
a sustainable business plan. And I do hope that those
people do make a lifetime's worth of money have a
good financial team to make sure it actually is a

(49:11):
lifetime's worth of money that will still be around, you know,
when they're ninety five or however old they live. Because
once you're a sex worker, you can't really get another job,
so it has to be a lifetime's worth of money.
And it makes me nervous for them that there's no
coming you can't go backwards brand wise really, and since

(49:34):
it isn't sustainable, I feel nervous that either they're not
going to make a lifetimes worth of money, or that
they'll blow through the lifetime's worth of money quickly and
then have really not many options to continue with this career. Again,
not my problem, not my business, not my body. But
I'm just like, you know, the little business human in

(49:56):
me is like, oh, are you sure you know a
few of them I think will make that lifetime's worth
of money, but I think a lot of people will
try and emulate it. And like, once you go, you know,
once your whole fan base is based on extreme, then
all of your fans need extreme and you'd have to
completely rebrand yourself, which I guess isn't impossible, but oh god,

(50:18):
now you have to start over.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
It's interesting because like I know that you know, people
see it as you know, these extreme, insane acts, and
which you know, I guess they are, But I also
just see it as like it's just intense marketing, because
it's like you do have you know, in this time
where everybody's on OnlyFans ten percent of women, you have

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to have a way to stand out. I remember actually
having Bonnie Blue on here when she was pretty fucking new,
and I asked her, you know, how do you, like,
what advice would you give to girls standing, you know,
wanting to start on only fans, how can you be successful?
And she was like, find a niche find a way
to stand out. Yes, girl, you found a way to
fucking stand out. Yeah, yeah, and that is great marketing. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
I guess if that's the only way that you feel
like you can stand out, it's better.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
To maybe do that then.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I mean, what a nightmare if you went to become
a sex worker and made no money and had nothing
to show for it, and the and had to deal
with the stigma and job loss for the rest of
your life. I guess it would be better to make
any money at all. You know, I'm just such a
like long term. I'm like, but what about next year
and ten years from now and twenty years from now,

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and like flexibility and all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (51:33):
Yeah, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
But no, I mean, certainly, no shame, no shade. It
just gives me that like, is that sustainable?

Speaker 4 (51:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Maybe they're making a bunch of money and investing it
in like vending machine hopes that like, yeah you can,
that can sea I don't know on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
If the money is good, machine the investments are wise,
it sustains you for the rest of your life because
it will be hard to get another job than fuck
yeah yeah, But I'd say that about anyone doing anything
in the sex work world, right, extreme or not extreme,
Think ahead, plan, be careful. This money you're making might
only last a year or five years. Really don't If

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you're making, you know, a million dollars a year, you
probably shouldn't live like you're making a million dollars a
year as a lawyer because they're going to work till
they're sixty five, and.

Speaker 4 (52:20):
We probably aren't. What is your long term plan? I
do plan to work o'clock.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I mean I did have a woman on my podcast
once who I think.

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Was sixty five.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
No, I think, I mean it would be great if
people still liked me.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
Then I don't plan to stop.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
I think I feel like all I feel like I'll
be stopped rather than be like, uh, I'm bored.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I mean, but you do look insane than you like
for being my age. I mean, but like, I mean
it's not just your face, but like you're how come
your body looks like that.

Speaker 4 (52:57):
Why isn't mine? Are you not looking in the mirror?

Speaker 1 (53:01):
Yes, I look in the mirror all the time, I think,
and I know I had a kid, but still you
look amazing and you know you do.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Yes, yes, I've seen your pictures, I.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Know, but they're photoshopped.

Speaker 7 (53:15):
Say be honest, I know, but I've seen you naked
and real life you're more beautiful.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
I just went to flick my hair, but it's but
what Okay, So what do you also do plan the
twins look? But I know, I know, I just I
didn't have time to do my hair this morning.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Because I had didn't want I just don't feel like
it violet to first day of first day of school.
So so what what do you do to maintain your
your beautiful physique?

Speaker 3 (53:52):
I mean it's always different stuff different years, But lately,
for the past a bunch of years, I've been doing
like a mix of pilates and CrossFit, which I feel
like that at the opposite ends of the spectrum, But
I feel like CrossFit works me out till I want
to like puke with a lot of like bigger muscle groups,
and then I like take the you know, on reformer

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pilates to make sure that I'm not going to get
like a rotator cuff tear and my abs are still strong,
like like kind of like small muscle group, big muscle group,
like light cardio, wanna vomit cardio and mix it in.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah. When I started boxing, that's when it really got
me into exercising. And I got fit from boxing and
I realized, I'm like, oh, you actually have to exercise
until you think you're gonna vomit. That's when like you
can't just go on the elliptical machine for twenty minutes
and read.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
Vote that gives me nothing and I think that doesn't work,
like you limital fel sick. Yeah, And pilates I do
because it's good for me. Yeah, but if because I
used to be like a marathon runner and that gave
me that, like for my mental health, I need to
get all the way to where my brain during the
workout is going please God stop you. This isn't great,

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and my willpower is saying, nah, I'm good. You know
I need to go to push that hard to get
the endorphins because that's like I don't do drugs, but
that's what I imagine that like actual like high feeling
would be. It's like euphoric, and it really keeps my
mental health on track, Like if I miss a week

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at the gym, I'm a little cranky. Yeah, Like it
really feeds me drugs when I push like that. And
I've been doing that type of working out almost my
whole life in different forms.

Speaker 4 (55:41):
So I think I'm just a I think I'm addicted.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
I mean, it's not a bad thing to be addicted to.
Do you do this on your own or do you
have a trainer, because I find like I have found
that my one thing is I have to go to classes.

Speaker 4 (55:53):
They're age.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Those things are class if I if you leave me
to my own devices, I'm.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
Running Identai, but it has a like I'm going to
run six miles is definitive. I was never able to
like capture that like going to do it on my own.
So I need a class environment. Yeah, otherwise I'm a
little lax. I'll be honest, I'm lacks the daisical.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Yeah, no, I will too.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I will totally like I need this shame of leaving
a class early to keep me in there.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
I want to be like, you know, everyone else is
doing it. Of course, you can, of course you can.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Oh that's good. Yeah, you feel like the community in.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Yeah, like look at everyone like working so hard, look
at people of all different age groups, of all different
body types. Like if all of these humans in class
can do it, of course you can.

Speaker 1 (56:40):
Oh, that's wonderful because for me, it's the shame. The
shame keeps me in, you know what, it keeps you
looking at it?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
All right?

Speaker 1 (56:52):
So I know that the listeners we did promise some
fun dirty details as well, So let's loosen meaning.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Activism and age gating forn is not you guys? Do
you want to hear about dicks? Would you like dicks?

Speaker 1 (57:10):
So you've done everything obviously, from mainstream porn to fan customs. Yeah,
what is the filthiest custom request you've actually ever said
yes to?

Speaker 4 (57:19):
And what's the one that you said no to?

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Like?

Speaker 4 (57:23):
What is like filthy?

Speaker 3 (57:24):
Like I've done anal, I've done all the things that
some people think of as filthy.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
I do everything that doesn't break my morals or the law,
Like I don't really have Like if I'm physically capable
of doing it and ethically in tune with doing it,
I'll do it, especially if it makes you happy, even
if it's not my bag of chips, so to speak. Like,
I've done forty five minutes of sniffing my upper lip.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
That does not.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
Make me wet, but I was happy to do that
for the customer. I've I've eaten little plastic people in
a bowl and chastised them for peeing in my like
does it make me wet?

Speaker 4 (58:01):
No, No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
But there's someone out there right now that is hopefully
still jerking off to me yelling at people for pissing
in my cereal.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
How did you sniff your upper lip for forty five.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Yes, well for forty five minutes it was I won't lie.
It got to be a power, a willpower thing. Yeah,
that's a really long time, but.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Just like for forty five, four minutes is a lot.
Did you take breaks? No, you gotta get you. I
gotta just get her over with.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
You did that straight for How if you take a break?
How a you're going to go back to it.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
If you start filming again? No or no, you got
to get it. You gotta just get it. You know
what I would do.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
I would do several cuts and then I would loop
certain parts, but I would mix it up so that
I wouldn't know I would cheat.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
My editing skills, this is years ago, were not that
good even if I had wont it, even if I
had thought of it, I feel like, just like rip
it off like a band aid. Yeah, just press play,
get your timer on, and just sniff.

Speaker 4 (59:06):
I would have cheated.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Don't ever order a forty five minute upper lip sniffing
custom from me, because I will cheat.

Speaker 4 (59:12):
It will not be authentic.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Chari, however, will actually sniffer upper lip for forty five minutes.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
It was.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
It was the longest for it because there's not I
wasn't supposed to talk. If I could have talked, you
know me, I could have just blabbled on for forty
five minutes and kept myself entertained.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
The classy thing is that this guy like goon to
that for forty five minutes?

Speaker 4 (59:34):
I assume.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, I wonder. I really would love to know if
you ordered that custom for me. What was your favorite part?
Is it like the nostril flaring? Is it the lip movement?
Is it because I can really scrunch my nose? Weird?

Speaker 4 (59:46):
What is it that's so interesting?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I mean, I've heard some like I do have a
few nose people, and I think it's because I haven't
botoxed my bunny lines like most people, because I do
have like a lot I can do with my nose.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
There was a hole.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
I remember Madison Ivy, she's like fairly large nostrils. I
remember she told me that there was a whole subreddit
dedication to her nostros.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, someone with a really little dick wants
to get up in them in.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
That there is a hole for every penis. Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
See see, guys, doesn't matter how small your dick is,
we can find a hole.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
We can put it away.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I mean, you know, sex workers are just problem solvers. Honestly,
no dick is too small, no hole is unavailable. So
and speaking of mainstream porn, you are a contract star
for browsers, our favorite people.

Speaker 4 (01:00:50):
How long have you been with them? Now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
A few years years. I have to look back to
see when my very at least three years. Post three years,
it feels it's pandemic. Maybe it's been four. I should
like count it and then have little anniversaries for myself
because I love stuff like that. I'm just like every
time I have to because we do or we I
don't know about the other contractors. I do mine every

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six months, so I'm always like no matter like, I'm
always like sweating when it's coming up, like please resign me,
please resign me, please, you know what I mean? So
like like I feel like maybe because of my anxiety,
like I've.

Speaker 4 (01:01:25):
Been like you know, oh God, I want it. I
want oh God, Okay, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
Got it six more months instead of like celebrating my
wins of every year as like you know, the ability
to be contracted with them.

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Yeah, so obviously you want this.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Oh my god, I till the day I retire. I
tell them that every time I resign. I'm like, just
so you know, I would keep you until the day
I retire, Like please God.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
So for those who don't know why, what makes browsers
the best?

Speaker 3 (01:01:57):
First of all, like the whole like emotion of browsers
is like right up my alley of the type of
porn I want to create, Like it is hardcore sex.
It is all of the types of filthy with all
of the types of humans I like. And it doesn't
take itself too seriously. There's almost always like a little
bit of like tongue in cheek, a little easter egg,

(01:02:18):
a little like laugh factor in every porn you can
show that emotion. It doesn't have to be like hot
girl all the time. I can get as messy as
I want to, where like my eyelashes stuck to my foot,
and they let me do that. They like me, let
me look like a little like cock gremlin at the end,
all like fucked up and messy and say funny things

(01:02:39):
and just like have it be hot and funny and
joyful and like that's the scenes. But then you and
I know, but most outsiders wouldn't know this. They've always
been at the forefront of advocacy, donating to all of
our important causes FSC Pineapple support.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
They definitely make up like more more than fifty percent
of the donations.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Yeah, so like all of our our lobbying efforts, all
of our mental health efforts, you know, cupcake girls, all
of that they support, and they're you know, always like
advocating for best testing standards best you know, they were
one of the first ones with the consent form talent liaisons.
Like they're always every year bettering themselves at not just

(01:03:24):
the business stuff, but like how can we be the
company that makes the models the most comfortable on set,
the most safe. How can we be at the forefront,
you know, pushing the other companies into bettering themselves as well.
And they absolutely have been doing that my whole tenure here.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Yeah, they're definitely at the forefront of all of that,
and it's been so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:46):
I feel proud.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Yeah, you know, and they're not just like a big
glamorous company to put my name on, which they are,
but there are other big glamorous companies that I would
not be proud to put my name on ethically, Yeah,
And I feel like they just align with my brand
in every facet so beautifully that I am proud to

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be contracted with them.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
They also make great merch.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
They do make great merch, great merch I give to
my friends sometimes and it's like wearable.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
I love getting like my box of merch from Browsers.
I have to say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
So, my four year old has a swim class every Thursday,
and I accidentally packed a Browsers towel first cause and so,
like you know, she gets out of the pool and
it's like there's a lot of kids there.

Speaker 4 (01:04:38):
There's a lot of families.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
There, a lot of parents, the kids don't know, but
the and I just took the towel out and I
was like.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
We're wearing ship and I was like, I just scooped
her up and I just told her. I'm like, we're going.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
To the towers right now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
She's like, Mommy, way you to hurry. I'm just gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
And actually, on her last day of preschool, I do
this too.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
I forget your purse or your fanny past.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
I showed up in my new browsers vlureu fucking pants?

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
Do those fit you? Yes? They don't fit me at all?
They fit me? Are they too small? Way too small?
They fit me? They wildly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
They wouldn't have hit me ten pounds ago, but they
fit me. Did they send you a small?

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
I've tried small and medium and it's like they I
love that. They just don't work for all that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:30):
Yeah. No, I love the idea of them. I wanted
them to love me, but I don't know. They fit
me good for you must be nice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
But I went and I picked her up in those
pants and the browsers slides and I get there and
I'm like fuck, and I'm like, it's her last day.

Speaker 4 (01:05:46):
Who cares? Who cares? Fuck? It never gonna see these
people again. Fuck it. Yeah, anyways, but yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Keep sending me the merch and I will continue to
wear it inappropriate places.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Do they send you the boys merch too? Mm mmm, no,
you should, No, I should. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
For my husband, yeah, yeah, they've definitely sent it before,
and I have given it to him and he has
worn it proudly, and he's given it his hockey team
does like a oh yeah, like tournament at the end
of the year, and he usually gives it away as
like gifts and.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
Stuff like that. Yeah, so I should. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:20):
My partner is a better luck at wearing it in
public without being harassed than I do. Because of course,
like if they thought I might be SHERI they might
not say anything. But then like if you double down
by being wearing the Browsers merch, Now I'm like a bunch,
like it's fine, everyone's respectful, but if I weren't in public,
I have to be like I am going to be
approached a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
Yes today, dude, Do I feel like being a pressure
lot today? Yes? Yes? All right, well, sure, we thank
you so much. It was so good to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
Of course, we have some Patreon questions that we're going
to do in a separate segment.

Speaker 4 (01:06:55):
You know, all the dirty questions, all the dirty questions.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Yes, I adore you, I not just as a performer,
but as a friend. And every time we talk I
feel like I learned something new and that we could
go on forever, like I could literally do another hour.

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
But before, of course, we wrap up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I want you to tell everyone where they can find
you if they're not already following you, which I feel
like is crazy because char to Ville like everybody knows
who she is. But just in case you've been living
under a fucking rock, where can people find you?

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
Or don't like MILFs because we're so old? Yes, so
very sorry about that. I'm sorry, sorry, very sorry. Everything.

Speaker 3 (01:07:32):
All of my socials, all my websites are on Sharideville
dot com, c H E R I E D E
V I L L E dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
Do you're fucking organized?

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
She is?

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
She has everything because everything changes all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
So if I water market one way because I've done
this wrong in the past, and then something changes, then
the wrong watermark is out there for all time. So
I made my solo site into just like housing sites,
so when things change, it's like always still.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, but I learn that the hard one.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
And if you guys want to follow me, you can
actually go to Hollylinks dot com and that does have
all of my links to all of my platforms as well.

Speaker 4 (01:08:15):
But can't believe you've got Holly links. Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:18):
Yeah, I know, right, Also more Holly, but that's my
OnlyFans link uh. And on Instagram I have Holly Randall,
believe it or not. And on Twitter, and of course,
if you want to support this podcast and access these
live streams and listen to the Patreon Q and A
we're going to do, go to Patreon dot com slash

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Holly Randall Unfiltered. Thank you guys so much for watching,
and I will see you on the next one.