September 10, 2025 • 56 mins
Rachel Steele isn’t just another performer she’s one of the original taboo MILF creators who built an empire around Red MILF Productions and became a fetish icon. In this episode, Rachel shares the wild story of how a playful backyard photoshoot turned into a contest-winning clip, and how that moment launched a two-decade career at the very top of the adult industry.
We dig into everything: the rise of taboo roleplay, the strangest fetishes fans ever requested (yes, condiment play and scuba gear made the list), her journey through loss and resilience, her new path into BDSM training, and the love story that brought her back into the spotlight. Rachel is raw, unfiltered, and endlessly fascinating—you’ll walk away with a whole new appreciation for the art, the psychology, and the power behind fetish and taboo content.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hey, did you know that you can actually find me
naked online? Yes, I'm a photographer, director, podcaster, and in
my secret life, I actually have a platform with all
of the spicy content that you didn't think I made.
I know it surprised me too. If you're curious about
what happens when I'm in front of the camera instead
(00:21):
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I didn't warn you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My guest
today is a true pioneer in the world of adult entertainment.
She was one of the first taboo milf content creators.
(01:13):
She's the creative force behind Red Milf Productions, and she's
navigated shifts in the industry for nearly two decades. Welcome
Rachel Steele. Hello, Hello, how are you very good?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I was thinking when you walked in.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm glad that you dressed up, because sometimes I dress
up and I want my guests to express themselves in
the way that makes sense for them. But you know,
I have a lot of younger ladies on here, and
sometimes you know, they're just like in jeans and a
T shirt, and they make me feel overdressed on my
own show.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I love an opportunity to get dressed up, same same,
wear a dress and some heels. Yes, yes, even when
it's one hundred degrees see exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I feel like, do you feel like you appreciate that
more as you've gotten older, because I have. When I
was younger, like I didn't care that much, but now
I'm like when I have you to wear.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Nice definitely, yes, I enjoy getting dressed up and looking
in the mirror and feeling put together.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
As I've gotten older, right, I take more pride and
how I look and how I feel, I.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Think because we all have to take now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We're at a stage where we have to take care
of ourselves, right, yes, yeah, yeah, like all that works,
you're goin to do all that, you might as.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well throw some nice looking clothes onto exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
All right, So let's start at the beginning before you
ever got into this world. What was life like for you?
What were you doing before you came into the adult industry?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Quick little childhood burst. Born and raised in New England,
very conservative, vanilla life, no discussions about around sex or sexuality.
Growing up in the seventies, child of divorce, just a
lot of slut shaming and just no sex positivity whatsoever.
(03:02):
So fast forward, I am now an adult with two children.
I left my first marriage and was in a in
the hair salon industry. So I owned a hair salon
for about fifteen years. I did nails and had a
full service salon.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So you're doing these things.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What what made you decide to make a pretty significant
transition in your life.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yes, so I did that for about fifteen years, working
about six days a week. You know, when you own
your own business, you're always there. You're doing the cleaning
and everything because you can't really afford to delegate too much. So,
you know, and single mother, two children, just you know,
struggling but happy.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Fast forward.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I meet my new partner at the time, and we're
together for several years, enjoying each other's company, and one
day we're in the backyard and We're on the swimming
in the swimming pool and we're having cocktails and enjoying
the summer. And I get this idea to run in
(04:15):
the house and put on a white tank top that
says lifeguard on the front and put on a little
red thong, jump in the water and jump out. And
I started flipping my wet hair, and he's taking pictures
of me, and we're just having goofing around, just having fun.
And a couple days later, he says, you know, those
pictures we took came out pretty good, and I've uploaded
(04:35):
him on the computer. They look really good, like modeling good.
And I was like, oh, well, whatever, thanks, And then
he said, so there's this adult website that I watch
sometimes and I'm like, m hmmm. Meanwhile, I'm not even
consuming porn, like literally not even thinking about that. So
he's like, they're having a contest, hot wife contest. Do
(04:57):
you want me to put your picture up there? The
prize is a cash prize, pretty big cash prize, So
I said sure, why not?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So he threw it up.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I won and I got like several hundred dollars And
this was twenty years ago, and so that was a
good chunk of money, and I was like, wow, can
we do that again? You know, this would be a
great way to supplement my income at the salon. And
I went down the rabbit hole and went online and
started to learn more about the adult industry, and it
(05:29):
took me to camming and I started. I started webcamming
at the house with a tripod and a camera and
just started filming my camming sessions. Then I started opened
the Clips for Sale store. I started putting those little
(05:50):
edited clips, and my husband at the time, he would
edit them for me. He had a full time job
in Corporate America. He's a retired marine, so very vanilla life.
We were both living and I'm doing these webcam shows.
I'm never heard of these fetishes before that people are
asking me for do you have this, do you have that?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Do how many shoes do you have? What kind of
shoes are they? Could you put them on? Could you
do that in our session? And I'm like yes.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was one of my favorite things about Clips for
Sale because that's like one of the first content creator
platforms that you could sell your own content, right, yes, yes,
And they had every fetish imaginable on there, and so
I would go on there and just look through the
categories and just like be awe struck by the very
(06:38):
specific yes, different fetishes absolutely, you know, hair washing.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yes, blowing bubbles with bubble gum, shaving your legs, brushing
your teeth, tapping your nails, blonde glass and then of
course all kinds of others. Yeah, I was fascinated by
that as well. The whole psychology behind it all is
what really pulled me in more than the sexual side
of it or anything like that. It was more like,
(07:04):
I want to know what makes these people tick. Plus
I was getting money, getting paid, so I was like
this is this is I like this, you know, And
I liked the vulnerability of people telling me their deepest,
darkest secrets, fantasies, fetishes, telling me things like people think
that they're sick or they're you know, they're not well
(07:26):
for having these fantasies. So it was and it still
is very rewarding to be able to produce and know
that people are benefiting somehow mental health as well as
other other ways.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So yeah, I started webcamming.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Then I with my entrepreneur mind, I started to think,
you know, I was working for shooting for some other
production companies in Tampa. Tampa's a big fetish capital place.
There's a fetish industry is huge there. So I started
working with other producers and watching my sales go up
(08:03):
on their sites. That's when I decided, let me try
to do this myself as well. And then I started
to record some of my sessions, and then I started
making solo videos myself and putting them on clips for sale.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So when you say sessions, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That was webcamming? Okay, well ten minute cam sessions.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, So now what were some of the most interesting
fetishes that you did or maybe were requested to do?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
There was food wet and messy. There was a couple
of people that wanted that. And then I always found
that interesting because it wasn't anything like a little whipped cream,
you know, and chocolate. It was like, what have you
got in the refrigerator? And I'm like, I have every
condiment that you can have. And then they would say,
(08:56):
all right, get all the condiments out, mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish,
whatever you have and put a I would put a
rubber sheet on the floor, tilt the camera down, and
then just start covering myself in all of the condiments,
and then sometimes they would want me to masturbate or
use a dildo, and I would have to be very
(09:17):
careful because you don't want relish or mayonnaise, and all
kinds of health problems could arise. And I'm like, well, well,
you know, maybe we could skip that part, you know,
or I could do that first, and then you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Know, yeah, but probably the whole fetish is the fact
that you're mask reading yeah, condoms.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
And then the other one that was really odd was
and this was only this has only been requested one
time in my twenty year career. He said, do you
have any diving gear? And my husband at the time
was a diver. I'm like, I do. It's like right across,
I'm looking at the closet. It's in there. He's like,
could you get the mask, the fins and the snow
(10:00):
out and put those on nude and then just masturbate
with those on and then like occasionally go like this
so it looks like you're swimming. So of course, and
that's what I did. And I'm sitting in the chair
flipping my feet with these big flipper things on, and
I'm going like that. And then my husband comes home
(10:21):
from work and he looks in the office and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'll be right with you.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
There's in the oven, poor glass of wine. Oh I'm
still here. Ooh the water is so deep, you know,
And that's it. So Other than that, it was.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Mostly normal more. I don't want to say normal. I
don't want to kink shame anybody, but.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, yeah, but like, what the kind of standard things
that I guess we're used to hearing, you know, I
know fetishes and yeah, foot fetishes, I know that common panties.
Do you ever do like the gigantis ones? I know
that's very popular, Yes, where you make yourself look really
big and yeah, the viewer.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I have over five thousand videos that I've created in
these two decades.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And Clips for Sale was the first place that I
ever went to, and they were the first ones, like
you said, the first downloadable clip store that was in existence.
I met the owner at the time. His name is Neil.
He's no longer the owner. I think he's shifted it
over to other people, but he's still in the industry
and amazing. And I met him at a foot party
(11:26):
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh, you got to get on my site. You got
to sell your stuff on my site.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
So that's how I ended up there and doing the same,
just looking scrolling at all the different fetishes and just
amazed and clicking on the weirdest ones and finding out
that the studio does really well.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So, yeah, did anybody ever tell you or revealed to you,
like why they had a very specific fetish? Was there
ever any interesting story behind somebody's request.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
A lot of stories that I've heard is from childhood people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I've said things from childhood.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, I remember there was one about the nail tapping,
and he said that he had a teacher when he
was young in grade school, and she was very beautiful,
and she was very strict, and she would tap her
nails on the desk, just probably without even realizing she
was doing it, like when they were all working on
(12:20):
their school work. She would sit and look around the
classroom and just sort of gently tap her nails, and
he would look up whenever he felt safe to look up,
and would look at her nails because the sound was distracting.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And then she was distracting, he said.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And then ever since then, that's it, you know, he's
been fascinated by women's hands and nails and the nail tapping. Yeah,
and the same with pantyhose and high heels. Pantyhose is
a huge fetish and you know, you know, and I
know when we slip on a pair of pantyhose and
look in the mirror, we're not like, oh oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We're like get it in. There was sausage time, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, but there's people, you know, so many that just
love to see you in pantyhose, and you know, and
that I really believe that comes from fit and polished,
polished looks from the past, you know, teachers or authority figures.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, because you're right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The few fans that I've spoken to or other creators
who've you know, talked about when they've discovered people's reasoning
behind their requests, it's almost always something that happened to
them at this key moment in their adolescence when they're
like having that sexual awakening and something occurs and it
just creates like this, there's like this bonding that goes
(13:42):
on with and then they associate like a sexual feeling
with that particular thing.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, for the rest of their like a sexual trigger
and it's become sexualized or fetishized.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I you know, I have
my fantasies and I go through them, but I can't
stick to like one, like one thing for my whole
life would never serve me. But I guess some people
can just yeah, one thing can be through the same
I'm constantly evolving and learning and finding things that I
(14:13):
used to like five years ago that today are just
like yeah, you know, but I mean we evolve as humans,
so we evolve sexually too. And but you're right, some people, boy,
it's like solid, It's like that fetish will never go away.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, that's so interesting. So when you started posting this
taboo like content online, did you realize at the time
that you were one of, like the only people doing
it or did that did you recognize that later?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
So I was on clips for sale and doing all
this fetishy stuff from A to Z, So, you know,
like I said earlier, I have videos that are twenty
years old starting from the very beginning that are all fetishi.
And then I sort of evolved into working with male
talent and working with my husband on camera, and then
(15:13):
there wasn't a lot of talk about Milf. You know.
Then the movie American Pie came out and that's when
it kind of surged, and a customer wrote to me
and said, would you consider making this custom video for me?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And it was mom steps on.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I'll say steps on because we're not supposed to do
the other, but it was the other. At the time,
we didn't have all of these rules and regulations to
go by. So I read the script and it was
like mom son stuff, and I was like, I don't
have a problem with this this because it's fantasy. This
is fantasy roleplay. I'm a film producer, I'm creating a film.
(15:54):
This is not my lifestyle. This is not my actual
family member. So we made it when we threw it
up on Clips for Sale, and it went right to
number one, like shot right up the charts, number one.
It snowballed after that and my studio went up to
number one, and then we just sat there for almost
(16:15):
a decade at number one selling studio on clips for Sale,
And that was when Taboo Milf Red Milf was born. Yeah,
and then I realized, wow, this is really something. Yes,
it's huge demand, but I really I had no idea.
I didn't even see the movie American Pie, and I
(16:36):
didn't know what MILF was until someone told me. I
didn't know what it stood for and my LF I
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Were you surprised by how well that clip did?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yes? I was, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I again, I'm a film producer, I'm a writer, a director,
an actor, So to me, this was just creating a story,
a storyline. I wasn't thinking about it in that way
that it's so taboo. I really didn't think about it
like that, and it really was. I think that's why
(17:07):
it might have done so well.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The stepmom genre is still sort of controversial today, but
I feel like it's almost become like a joke now
at this point. So what was the response like twenty
years ago or was it just not.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Really out in the public.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean there was no social media, right, so there
was no one on Twitter to yell at you exactly,
and you were probably just dealing directly only with your customers.
You clearly liked it, so I guess you probably didn't
get like any kind of negative feedback on it.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No, No, And it went right up like it was insane,
the sales and how it just shot right up. So
that tells you what's going on. So we're like, okay,
this is what this is really good. We're going to
keep doing this. So then from there on I started
to create milf content where everything that I did I
was a milth and you know, more family fantasies, right
(17:59):
and all of that, and that was my ladder to success.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean, so many older women these days like that's
their bread and butter.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yes, step yeah, steps.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
But now I just feel like it is like getting
to be out of control because you see, like twenty
two year old's my step mom's hot friend.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm like, daughter, Yeah, she's the daughter, right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, everyone's trying to like capitalize on this. Yeah, why
do you think it's so popular?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Well, you know, I think that older women to younger men,
it's a mystery.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We know what we want.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
We were sexually experienced, we can take charge, we're.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In control, you know. I think there's those elements.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I honestly don't think it has to do with anything
to do with like actual men are actually attracted to
their birth mothers. I don't think that's the case at all. Yeah,
I think it's just older woman attraction. And I think
it's probably sexy to younger men when we have we've already.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Had children, we're married.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
All these things are appealing to certain you know, to
certain people, like that's why there's the whole cheating thing
and you know, slutty housewives and stuff because they're married,
so that's taboo. So I think it's just the whole
taboo element. But yeah, older women more experience. Yeah, I
think also too.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, well, obviously we've seen like a surge and
divorces and you know, broken families since women actually like
had more autonomy and could get out of unhappy situations,
and so I feel like maybe that's probably there's something
behind there. Maybe a lot of men have come from
places where they had a stepmom. Yeah, and then like
(19:53):
that authority figure, that woman who's not related to you,
right because you're not attracted to your other is in
the house all the time, and you're seeing that person
as you're going through adolescents and as you're changing.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
So yeah, that's probably something there too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And then you know there's just the porn sites that
are like, oh this does well, let me put out
only this content all the time. And then people like
go to a site and they're like is there anything else?
Does anybody make anything else?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And it almost becomes like what came first? A chicken
or the egg? Like I watch a lot of Stepmom
content because there's so much of it, yes, or like
you know what I mean, Like I like it because
it's there, or.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Is this just the new norm and this is all that?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's all that. Like you're feeding
me exactly exactly.
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Of your first month.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You've got one body take care of it like it
takes care of you, so you're obviously doing this taboo content.
You know, you started this, you said twenty years ago.
We've seen so many things in the adult industry change.
How have you seen taboo and fetish genres of all
over the years.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, definitely a lot more restrictions and saturation in the marketplace.
So I've watched unfortunately, you know, trending. You know, something
is selling for individuals, so now everybody's doing it. Yeah,
(23:20):
then it just gets so saturated, and you know, it
kind of takes away from the whole art of producing
and directing and writing stories and coming up with really
good storylines and.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know, just to you know, make a quickie.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So, yeah, I think that it's really gotten saturated, and yeah,
it's changed a lot in that manner.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And you find it difficult to work with the restrictions.
I mean specifically on certain platforms.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's really really Instagrams are getting deleted, shut down. There's
no one you can talk to when that happens. It's
just you went against community guide lines. What did I
do you see the picture? What's wrong with this picture?
It could be a word you used. You could have
used the word milf and that could have flagged something.
So now it's like, you know, what, what can we say?
(24:13):
How can we post? Can we sit on a bed
and talk? Like I've heard you're not supposed to be
on a bed. I heard you're not supposed to be
in your underwear?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You're not.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
You know, there's so many it's just ridiculous. You know,
it's like, what are we allowed to share anymore? And
how long is this gonna last? I mean, is Twitter
going to be there forever or is it going to go?
And what happens if it goes intoto the industry? And no,
guys can't do that anymore? You know, then you've got
meta and it's just really I don't know where it's going.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But now, what about restrictions on like actually making adult content,
because there are like so many new guide you know,
the credit card companies have really come down hard on
the adult industry and put in all kinds of very
specific restraint. And when I was directing, there was some
really crazy shit that we had to go by. I
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remember one of the things and this isn't necessarily crazy,
but it's just annoying that you have to write this
into the script where I think in like the first
five minutes you have to make sure that you established,
if it's a step scene, that the younger step son
or stepdaughter was of eight was over the age of
eighteen when they like met the stepmom or the stepdad,
(25:29):
so there was no suggestion that they were ever there
was ever anything going on when they were under age,
which I totally understand. Sure, it was just like you
always had to write in there somewhere, like it would
have to be something like, you know, when you married
my dad when I was eighteen, I was really mad,
like something, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Mean, and you're my step mom, you know, and then
you have to verbalize step son or daughter.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, and then you know other things around you know, consent,
which again obviously like consent is a very important part
of what we do and behind the scenes we are
very adamant about it. But like one of the restrictions
was you couldn't even if somebody was sleeping, you couldn't
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touch them, Yes, like you couldn't tap them awake, Like
if we were shooting a dialogue scene.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, there's no sex in the scene at all.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Someone's sleeping and the husband comes in and like shakes
her awake.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Nope, that's out. Can't touch them. You can't do it.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You have you shouldn't be sleeping, you shouldn't do it
because it's just yeah, And I'm just like, and there's
no more hypnosis, mind's control.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's a huge fetter. You can't have a lot a
lot of times. You can't have like a glass of wine. No,
no more in there.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
And in most of my films, again coming from twenty
years ago, watching sitcoms, this is those were my you know,
those were my muses. Was like watching Will and Grace
and I Love Lucy and all these shows I love.
And so I'm like, all right, we're going to start
the scene out where you see the car keys, the
car engine turn off, and I want you to film
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my feet the door open, the shoes hit the ground,
clip clop, clip keys into the front door, drop the keys,
Pour a martini which is water into a martini glass,
just water. We're not really drinking on the you know,
making a film, and then drop the olives, sit down,
kick off the heels. This is a whole setup that
we see on TV. This is how people set up scenes.
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The person got home from work, they're tired, they slip
off their shoes, they have a cold, drink, you know,
and we can't do that. So I'm literally older content.
We're having to chop it up and remove and it's
I just don't you know, I don't understand why our
industry has to do that. But yet you can watch
this on TV on the other networks.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So are there any platforms that you're able to sell
your content in whole?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Or is this for is this across the board for
every every form?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, because I'm on all the platforms. Clips for sale, many.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
VIDs for sales also liked to fan down with these strictions.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, because it's the banking, the MasterCard and visa.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I knew that, like there was some putting it down
on every single platform, and if they're not happening now,
they will, yeah, because there were some platforms that were
like a little bit more lenient than other ones, and
it all came down to their interpretation of the rules.
But I did actually just get a notification from Fansy
recently that a bunch of things that were previously okay
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are now no longer okay.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, anything suggests that you're in public.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And content too.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
With the holding up the both IDs they have to
be pictures so if I have content that's fifteen years old,
and I worked with all amateur people that answered backpage
and Craigslist ads. I never hired a professional. I've never
worked with professionals or done mainstream eighteen years. I did
all just so you don't have litter men answering ads
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that I put out. Yeah, and I can't reach them now, yeah,
you know, so it's tricky. Yeah, that's what my website
is good for.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So before we started the show, you mentioned that you
are in training to be a dominator.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yes, A little plug mistress Damiana Chi here in Los Angeles.
She owns the Temple of Chi and she has an academy.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And if you guys haven't seen her, she was on
my show, So go check that episode out. It's really interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, really good episode. And she's PhD in psychology, so fascinating.
So this is way more than just how to dress
in shiny clothes and paddle somebody you know and tell
them to give you money. You know, this is like
really the psychology like I was talking about earlier, when
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I was first camming and people were telling me, do
you have this? Can you do that I was just
fast because I've never heard of these desires before, and
they're paying for this, and you know, it's a fetish.
So the world of BDSM is fascinating to me and
I'm very drawn to it. And I realized when i
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started to study with the Academy that I've always been
doing this. You know, in all the videos that I've made,
I'm always the one in charge unless it was otherwise written,
but if it's up to me, I'm the one that
walks in the room and takes control, and the younger
man is always ooh, and I'm like, oh, you know,
(30:37):
it's that vibe right right, right right, And I like
that vibe. You know, that's my playful, fun vibe, and
that's just what I like to do. So being a
dom was just like, that's what you do. You walk
in a room and you take control and you take
charge of whomever. Doesn't have to be a young man,
it could be anybody, you know, And I just find
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it fascinating the whole power dynamic. And there's like four
archetypes that we're learning about, the mother, the queen, the seductress,
and the authoritarian, and we all embody those four things.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
In our lives.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
We are mothers where queens were authoritarians, and we are
seductress too, So incorporating all of those into like a
power play scene is really challenging and interesting and really fun.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think anybody who's experimented in BDSM in any way
can attest to the fact that it is so psychological.
It's so much more mental than it is the physical act.
I was in a BDSM relationship with somebody for a while,
and yeah, I mean it came down to the way
that he presented himself and that, you know, how he
(31:52):
carried himself and how because I've had other men, you know,
because I tend to be naturally submissive in bed, and
I've had other men try to dominate. Mean, yeah, like
you have to have you have to mean it, Like
when you call me a dirty little horror.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You have to mean it.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, because if you don't mean it, I need to
feel it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, absolutely, of course.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And you know, our tone when we use language is
where primal beings from the caveman. So we know in
someone's voice, if it's like you said, like really meaning it,
or if it's just sort of I'm going to dominate you,
you know or I'm dominating you.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
She did want your knees, eyes down. She did touch on.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The voice when she was on, and she said something
about how the note at the end has to go
down rather than up, like very specifically, or it.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Sounds like a suggestion or a question, or is it okay? Yeah,
if I tell you to get on your knees, you know,
it's like you just make those commands and yeah, I'm
learning so much. She's a great mentor and teacher, and
she has I don't know how many slaves the dungeon.
But one of the workshops was unbelievable. I was just
(33:04):
sitting there looking around taking it all in. It was
a workshop of six six women, and these other women
had come from all over the United States, like Oklahoma,
and these are like vanilla housewives that have joined this
academy and they want to be doms, but they're not
sure how they're going to do this or where or whatever.
(33:26):
They're just interested and coming from very vanilla marriages. They
all told their stories and I'm, of course, I was
the only one that's in the adult industry, so I
have twenty years in the adult industry.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And they were all like, oh, really, wow.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
And we're all sitting in a little circle and the dungeon,
and then the slaves come in, six naked men with
callers on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
She brought one of them here, mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What was her name, Sweet Julia or Stacy Stacy who
it was, Yes, very tall, yes, yes, y y yes,
I know them all and it was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And then we there was six of us and six slaves,
so we each could practice and we practice spanking and
then crops, cock and ball ties where we took little
ropes they're very thin, and she did. The slaves are
all laid down on the floor, and she showed us
how to tie their balls and their cock like in
(34:23):
this little design thing and be able to lead them
tie another rope and then you could walk around the
studio and lead them by their cock and balls.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And I'm like tying.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
My birthday is September fifth, if anyone wants to buy.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Me a But that's like so fasting.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I'm like sitting there tying, and I'm like raising my hand.
I don't know is the rope supposed to go under
or over? She's like through. I'm like, oh, right through.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And then I'm like what when I looked around. I'm like,
all of a sudden reality hits.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
What are we? But this is awesome I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Oh, Like I wish I could get my phone and
just go like this right now, because like nobody's gonna believe.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What did you do this weekend?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You know, I went to an immersive event.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Tell me about it. What has been the most surprising
thing that you've learned so far.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
In the whole academy?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, Like, was there anything that you kind of were like, huh,
I didn't know that or didn't expect that, or didn't
think that this was something that like DOMS needed to
know or I don't notice anything that.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
One thing is the psychology behind all of it. So
it's more than just you know, sexual and kinky sex.
It's like it's really it's healing, very healing for a
lot of people. And I've heard that before, But before
I didn't know anything about BDSM. I only knew what
the media kind of projected, that it's dark, dangerous in
(35:53):
dark places that are underground, and you could get hurt,
and you know, it's just sex traffic. Yeah, yes, just
that kind of negative. And I learned that that's just
not the case. I mean, I won't say for everybody,
because you know, there's always those people out there that
give a bad name and they're not are not safe,
but you've got to do your research. That BDSM is
healing and it's it's can help you to grow. And
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also the sisterhood that's among the other doms shocked me,
like I'm so not used to women being so supportive
and right there at your fingertips. And there's like a
group chat like on signal or something where all the
doms are and you can just literally reach out, Hey,
I have a question, or Hey, I'm going to be
(36:37):
staying does anyone in San Diego or is anyone here?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
And they just answer you right away.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And it's just the support and the sisterhood listening to
women chat. There's a zoom call every Wednesday that the
doms can all join and people are just talking about
everyday life and what's going on in their relationships. It's
like support groups, and they're also supportive and just giving
of their time.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Really really happy to learn that because i feel like
I've I've just you know, been I've just made a
new family.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm in a new community.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
It's very welcoming and loving and nurturing and caring.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So isn't it interesting when women are empowered how they
feel like the freedom and I think the kinship to
support each other. Yes, you know, I find that often
when women are scratching at each other or being caddy,
it's usually because they're competitive, because they're insecure.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Absolutely, because they feel disempowered. Yes, I think that that's
absolutely correct. Yeah, we can see through that and have
compassion for those individuals. Realize they're scared, just like when
a dog growls and bites at you.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
They're scared free to lose whatever it is that. Yeah,
they think you're going to take from them.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, yeah, all right, So I want to talk about
your break from porn. We took about seven years off
after the death of your husband, Frank. How did your
life change after that kind of sudden loss.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
So he was the partner that I was talking about earlier,
and he ended up leaving his corporate job. When we
started Clips for Sale and we started to surge and
do really well, we both realized we need to do
this full time. I left the salon and he left
his job and we did this for I am a
good eleven years. I guess, so no, seven years. We
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did it together for about seven years, and then he
was diagnosed with cancer, polling cancer at forty eight, and
then he died three months later. So it was a
big shock. So I decided to take some time off.
I was living in Florida and I was I'm from Maine,
originally from the Northeast, and I missed everything about the Northeast,
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the seasons and all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
So I just said, I'm going to go. I'm going
to go to Maine.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I bought an old house, a Victorian house that was
like one hundred and fifty years old, and I decorated
all the rooms and just took some time by the
ocean and just healed and decided what I wanted to do.
And you know, I still stayed active on social media,
but I wasn't shooting at all. So just a quick
(39:19):
thank you to all the loyal subscribers and fans for
supporting me through all that. They stuck with me just
doing Twitter posts. That was really all I was doing.
And then I met a fan about seven years in
and we started chatting, and then fast forward, we end
(39:40):
up together. He was in New York, I was in Maine.
He's originally from Turkey. His name is John, and he's
a fan. He said, I've been a fan of years
for a long time when I was living in Turkey,
and here I am at your house in Maine. I
can't believe this, you know. And we just hit it
off and we've been together six years now.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Wow. So where did you meet him? Like on one
of your platforms?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, I just I was doing some kind of a post.
I don't remember what it was, but it was, you know,
reply to this and get a free signed photograph or something.
And I was scrolling through the people that had replied
and I saw his little picture and I stopped on
it because I thought he It just caught my eye
and I looked at him and I said, oh my gosh,
he's like really what a good looking guy. So I
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just said, oh, I'll just say hi, why not see
where he's from?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Curious?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
And then we just started chatting and he's like, I'm
in New York, but I'm from Turkey, but I've been
here for so many years and you know whatever, and
it just worked out.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So how was it like meeting him? Because I mean,
right now, you're describing like the ultimate fantasy for a
lot of men, right, Like a lot of men I
think hope that there's a possibility that they could meet
their favorite porn star and you know that she would
actually date them and potentially fall in love with them,
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and they think, you know, and this is not common,
This has not happen very often, So don't get too exciting.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
But obviously it does.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So like, take me through how that conversation evolved, Like
how was he different from everybody else where?
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You felt like even like safe with him? You know
what you mean?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Well, in that seven years, I took a few years
off from dating and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I really wasn't in that mood at all.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
And when I did start to feel okay, let me
just see what get back out there, I went on
the dating apps, and you know, I'm in the adult industry,
and it's like, I am not gonna lie about who
I am. But I also don't feel safe telling men
that I'm meeting who I am right away first date.
You know, Unfortunately you can't just say hi, I'm Rachel
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and I'm in the adult industry. You know, I wish
you could, but you know, who are you talking to?
What are their reactions? Going to be and are you safe?
So I dated, not even dated. I met with people,
had a coffee and just said oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no,
all the way down. So when we started chatting, I
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was already done. You know, I didn't want anyone. I
wasn't looking for a relationship. But he talked to me.
He wasn't like like, you know, he treated me like
a person that I wasn't just a one dimensional character.
He asked me questions about other interests besides just my work.
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And then that two weeks of chatting, we decided to meet.
So he came to Maine from New York and we
hung out and and he was just he just made
me feel normal, like he wasn't just talking about work,
and you know, because otherwise I'm just a fantasy character,
fulfilling his little fantasy.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And what am I going to get out of this?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
So I was very clear with him that that's not
what I'm looking to do, and you know, and it
just yeah, he was just a real person and he
was not impressed he did. He didn't act what's the word,
like you know, starstruck or anything like that. So that
was that was nice. And no judgment. There was no
(43:17):
judgment at all coming from him, which felt good after
dealing with men that were slut shaming other women that
they had dated telling me about their experiences, and I'm like, oh,
he's just slut shamed three women and I haven't even
finished my coffee. Yeah, I'm so out of here, you know,
(43:40):
it's it's really bad. And this John just was not
like that. And I could just you know, you can
see right away people's character.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
So other.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Performers who I've spoken to who have dated fans or
even just like civilians as we call them, we call
people who aren't in to build industry civilians, you know,
who are at first excited about dating a point star.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Right, it feels exciting.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Everyone desires this person, and then as time goes on,
the jealousy sets in, and then you know, and then
they want to own them, and then there's like all
these other problems that arise. I'm going to assume that
none of those things happened for you.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
So Frank was not like that, and I was really
happy about that. He was like, Yes, bring in other men,
let's work with other men. I can't always be in
front of the camera, behind the camera editing and you know,
doing all that administrative work and being the talent in
front of the camera. So I never had that with him,
And then meeting John, I was very closed off.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I had the walls up.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
I was very suspicious, and I sort of I said
to myself, you know, well, we'll ride this as long
as we can see where this goes. But he was
such a good guy that and there was no jealousy
there at all. He's very open minded sexually. He believes
that if you have trust and transparency and communication in
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a relationship, that there's really nothing that you couldn't do
if you so choose, and if each individual.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Chooses, meaning like any kind.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
Of relation dynamic, you know, he's open to open or
polly or you know, all of that.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
He's just he's just open to all of that.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
So there's just you know, other than me lying, cheating
and being completely dishonest, that would be about the only
thing that would.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Make him upset.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So you've now had two relationships with men who have
not only accepted what you do for a living, but
have worked alongside you. What are the two or what
characteristic do you think that Frank and John have in
common that makes that like kind of collaboration possible, or like,
what was there one thing in your relationship that you
think makes you know that kind of relationship work.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I guess it would be trust. You know that they
trust me, and I trust them. They know they both
He knew and John knows that when I go to work,
if they're not with me, that I'm not having an affair.
I'm not lying and cheating. So you know, there's that trust.
Trust is there, and when that's there and you really
(46:30):
have that, it's really you can do anything. It's very
liberating to have that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, And I feel like that trust is probably rooted
in like a real sense of self confidence.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Right, I'm going to assume that both men are pretty confident.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yes, definitely, Yeah, to have that, Yes, to let let
all of these things to be able to happen around
them without them, Yeah, they don't have those issues or
that baggage.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
So what does it make you we decided to come
back into the industry, and how did you come back
into the industry.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
When I met up with John, it was right around
twenty nineteen, so COVID hit and we decided to stay
in my house in Maine. He had an apartment in
New York, but it was really small, so we decided
to take my big, beautiful home and stay in Maine,
hunker down there. And that's when I started. We started
to get on OnlyFans and I started shooting with him.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
You know, I'm like I was then.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
I was like, let's make some content, let's do this,
because he was down He's like, yeah, let's do it. So,
you know, it was with our phones and it was
like trying to get them up on little tripods and
trying to look at the camera make sure we're lined up. So,
you know, not the best filming, but the best we
could do. And we just started to make content and
(47:48):
throw it up on OnlyFans and it started to grow
and do really well, and the fans thank you again
so much. Fans they started to like, oh, you're back, Yay,
you're back.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Rachel's back.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
So it just really motivated me and inspired me to
just let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
So, yeah, have you seen any significant changes in the
adult industry since you've come back? I guess besides like
the restrictions because of.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
The saturation all these platforms, AI like, it's insane. It's
really changed a lot and pretty quickly. I see it's
going to keep going that way, especially with AI. I
just can't even imagine what the possibilities are. You know,
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it's pretty endless.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
So does it make you nervous or does it make
you excited?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
A little of both, excited but nervous at the same time.
I have a lawyer and we were chatting about I
sent him a few applications for different AI companies that
some people are joining and having the character of their character,
and he read over everything, the fine print, you know,
(49:00):
and everything, and it's just this, there's there's a little
question there about who actually owns your I guess avatar
character whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Oh, yes, we'll delete it.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Wants you if you decide you want to get out
or you die, you know, you know, I want the
account deleted or shut down or whatever. They agree to that,
but they there's no there's no specific language that says
where that that character is like theirs, like they own
the data. They own that so they might be able
(49:33):
to use it later on, so they could use my
likeness to advertise or market or do whatever. So in
that aspect, I'm a little nervous about the whole about
things that are coming into fruition. I just want the
contracts to be crystal clear as to who has the rights,
(49:54):
who who's intellectual property. These things need to be really clear, yea.
You know, as a model or a performer, you don't
want to just sign your rights a way. And you
hear about this in the music industry and other contracts
people entertainers have gotten stuck with.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They're like, oh, I just didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Know and we signed it, and now they own it
and I'm out and there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Mean so often, like you see celebrities like have to
or do sign away their likeness and their rights because
I mean, I just rewatched one of the Star Wars.
I can't remember which one, I'm sorry Sun Wars fans,
but the one where they like took Carrie Fisher and
they had to basically AI her because she died while
they were filming it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
And they were able to do that, you know, because
they had the rights.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
To that character, to that character. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah. It is tricky.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
So that's all I would say. I'm kind of concerned about.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
It's just legalities, but everything else I'm excited about because
I'm excited to think too that you know, you can
only work so hard producing and performing and being in
front of a camera for so long, and eventually you
might want to step back and maybe do some other things,
directing or just producing or but it would also be
(51:10):
nice to have passive income with a Rachel Steele character.
So yeah, you know, I welcome everything, but I'm also cautious.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
How do you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Balance your personal life in your career, especially when you
work with your partner.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
We stop at five o'clock and that's it. We have
in home offices. We shut those doors, We hit the
grab ourselves a cocktail and sit on the front porch
and just enjoy the sunset and chat about our day.
We go on vacations, we take time off. That's just
we're out of here. We go to Europe.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Because I feel like if I shot content with my husband,
if like we shot boygirl content, which I don't, so
don't get excited, I would have a very hard time
not shooting while we were traveling because it'd be like, oh,
look at this hotel, oh so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Like we're in Paris, we have this Eiffel Tower in
the back.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
We got to film something like that would be so
hard for me not to do. Do you do you
struggle with that or are you guys pretty good at
just being like, no phones, this is our time off.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Well, we did do that in the first few years.
We traveled all over the place and we did shoot
in these beautiful places we just did.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
We were like, this is too nice.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
We can't not Yeah, and we're both excited about it
because it's like, this is Austria, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Here, you know. But we're not shooting together anymore.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
So he is so busy. I told him when I
met him, I will keep you busy. And now he's
working eight hours a day, more than eight hours, usually
seven days a week. We're managing my content so he's
my content manager and social media person. So he does
all of this administrative work and it's a lot, and
(52:54):
he's booked solid doing it. He's actually had to delegate
off some of it because it's just too much. So
we decided no more of that, and I'm working now
more in mainstream limelight. So the last two years or so,
I've you know, came to LA and decided to start
(53:14):
working with Pro Male Talent and Pro Female Talent, two
people that are in the mainstream, and I've been doing
that here in Los Angeles in Vegas two. Yeah, so
we're no longer working together as a couple, but we
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have a lot of videos from when we were.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
So you're able to go to that beautiful hotel room
in Paris and just enjoy it exactly. Yes, So looking back,
what do you feel the most proud of in your
career and in your personal life if they are maybe
two separate things.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I guess that the fact that I'm an entrepreneur and
self made, self taught, no education, high school graduate, barely
coming from domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and I
just kept rising up and said no, no. I only
(54:14):
allowed certain sort of negative patterns to last for so
long before I would just like literally look and go,
this is not good. Thank God, because some people, when
you're in it, you don't see it kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
But I was in abusive relationships.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Very violent, and I was like it only happened like
one one, you know, incident would happen with this individual,
and I was out of there like so fast, not
thinking like where am.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I going to go, What am I going to do?
How am I going to do it?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
What?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
You know?
Speaker 5 (54:46):
And those are all very valid questions, but no, just
got the hell out of there and figured it all
out later, and then just being able to like start
off in the salon industry doing nails and then ended
up buying that hair salon that I worked at, and
then ended up doubling that salon into a huge spa,
and then going from that business fourteen years into the
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adult industry and just seeing, wow, this is insane, look
at the opportunity here, let me try this, and then
shooting up to the top, and then making it work
for the last twenty years and just you know, having
a production company and doing it all, you know, by
myself and with a lot of help from to two
(55:29):
really good partners and some other people too.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably the most. Yeah, that feels the best.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, well, thank you so much for coming in.
I do have a bunch of questions for you from
my Patreon members, all right, which we will do in
a separate segment, But for now, can you tell everybody where.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
They can find you online?
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Yes, I can be found at my website Rachel dash
Steel dot com, Instagram is Rachel underscore Steel XO x SOH,
and Twitter is at Redmilf Rachel and if you don't
remember all of that, just google my name Rachel Steele
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and you will.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Find me and steal with an E on the end
of it.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yes, s T E E L E Yes awesome.
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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My guest
today is a true pioneer in the world of adult entertainment.
She was one of the first taboo milf content creators.
(01:13):
She's the creative force behind Red Milf Productions, and she's
navigated shifts in the industry for nearly two decades. Welcome
Rachel Steele. Hello, Hello, how are you very good?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Thank you?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
I was thinking when you walked in.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
I'm glad that you dressed up, because sometimes I dress
up and I want my guests to express themselves in
the way that makes sense for them. But you know,
I have a lot of younger ladies on here, and
sometimes you know, they're just like in jeans and a
T shirt, and they make me feel overdressed on my
own show.
Speaker 5 (01:45):
I love an opportunity to get dressed up, same same,
wear a dress and some heels. Yes, yes, even when
it's one hundred degrees see exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I feel like, do you feel like you appreciate that
more as you've gotten older, because I have. When I
was younger, like I didn't care that much, but now
I'm like when I have you to wear.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Nice definitely, yes, I enjoy getting dressed up and looking
in the mirror and feeling put together.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
As I've gotten older, right, I take more pride and
how I look and how I feel, I.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Think because we all have to take now.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
We're at a stage where we have to take care
of ourselves, right, yes, yeah, yeah, like all that works,
you're goin to do all that, you might as.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Well throw some nice looking clothes onto exactly.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
All right, So let's start at the beginning before you
ever got into this world. What was life like for you?
What were you doing before you came into the adult industry?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Quick little childhood burst. Born and raised in New England,
very conservative, vanilla life, no discussions about around sex or sexuality.
Growing up in the seventies, child of divorce, just a
lot of slut shaming and just no sex positivity whatsoever.
(03:02):
So fast forward, I am now an adult with two children.
I left my first marriage and was in a in
the hair salon industry. So I owned a hair salon
for about fifteen years. I did nails and had a
full service salon.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
So you're doing these things.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
What what made you decide to make a pretty significant
transition in your life.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yes, so I did that for about fifteen years, working
about six days a week. You know, when you own
your own business, you're always there. You're doing the cleaning
and everything because you can't really afford to delegate too much. So,
you know, and single mother, two children, just you know,
struggling but happy.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Fast forward.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
I meet my new partner at the time, and we're
together for several years, enjoying each other's company, and one
day we're in the backyard and We're on the swimming
in the swimming pool and we're having cocktails and enjoying
the summer. And I get this idea to run in
(04:15):
the house and put on a white tank top that
says lifeguard on the front and put on a little
red thong, jump in the water and jump out. And
I started flipping my wet hair, and he's taking pictures
of me, and we're just having goofing around, just having fun.
And a couple days later, he says, you know, those
pictures we took came out pretty good, and I've uploaded
(04:35):
him on the computer. They look really good, like modeling good.
And I was like, oh, well, whatever, thanks, And then
he said, so there's this adult website that I watch
sometimes and I'm like, m hmmm. Meanwhile, I'm not even
consuming porn, like literally not even thinking about that. So
he's like, they're having a contest, hot wife contest. Do
(04:57):
you want me to put your picture up there? The
prize is a cash prize, pretty big cash prize, So
I said sure, why not?
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So he threw it up.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
I won and I got like several hundred dollars And
this was twenty years ago, and so that was a
good chunk of money, and I was like, wow, can
we do that again? You know, this would be a
great way to supplement my income at the salon. And
I went down the rabbit hole and went online and
started to learn more about the adult industry, and it
(05:29):
took me to camming and I started. I started webcamming
at the house with a tripod and a camera and
just started filming my camming sessions. Then I started opened
the Clips for Sale store. I started putting those little
(05:50):
edited clips, and my husband at the time, he would
edit them for me. He had a full time job
in Corporate America. He's a retired marine, so very vanilla life.
We were both living and I'm doing these webcam shows.
I'm never heard of these fetishes before that people are
asking me for do you have this, do you have that?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Do how many shoes do you have? What kind of
shoes are they? Could you put them on? Could you
do that in our session? And I'm like yes.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
It was one of my favorite things about Clips for
Sale because that's like one of the first content creator
platforms that you could sell your own content, right, yes, yes,
And they had every fetish imaginable on there, and so
I would go on there and just look through the
categories and just like be awe struck by the very
(06:38):
specific yes, different fetishes absolutely, you know, hair washing.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yes, blowing bubbles with bubble gum, shaving your legs, brushing
your teeth, tapping your nails, blonde glass and then of
course all kinds of others. Yeah, I was fascinated by
that as well. The whole psychology behind it all is
what really pulled me in more than the sexual side
of it or anything like that. It was more like,
(07:04):
I want to know what makes these people tick. Plus
I was getting money, getting paid, so I was like
this is this is I like this, you know, And
I liked the vulnerability of people telling me their deepest,
darkest secrets, fantasies, fetishes, telling me things like people think
that they're sick or they're you know, they're not well
(07:26):
for having these fantasies. So it was and it still
is very rewarding to be able to produce and know
that people are benefiting somehow mental health as well as
other other ways.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So yeah, I started webcamming.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
Then I with my entrepreneur mind, I started to think,
you know, I was working for shooting for some other
production companies in Tampa. Tampa's a big fetish capital place.
There's a fetish industry is huge there. So I started
working with other producers and watching my sales go up
(08:03):
on their sites. That's when I decided, let me try
to do this myself as well. And then I started
to record some of my sessions, and then I started
making solo videos myself and putting them on clips for sale.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So when you say sessions, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5 (08:20):
That was webcamming? Okay, well ten minute cam sessions.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, So now what were some of the most interesting
fetishes that you did or maybe were requested to do?
Speaker 5 (08:34):
There was food wet and messy. There was a couple
of people that wanted that. And then I always found
that interesting because it wasn't anything like a little whipped cream,
you know, and chocolate. It was like, what have you
got in the refrigerator? And I'm like, I have every
condiment that you can have. And then they would say,
(08:56):
all right, get all the condiments out, mustard, mayonnaise, ketchup, relish,
whatever you have and put a I would put a
rubber sheet on the floor, tilt the camera down, and
then just start covering myself in all of the condiments,
and then sometimes they would want me to masturbate or
use a dildo, and I would have to be very
(09:17):
careful because you don't want relish or mayonnaise, and all
kinds of health problems could arise. And I'm like, well, well,
you know, maybe we could skip that part, you know,
or I could do that first, and then you.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Know, yeah, but probably the whole fetish is the fact
that you're mask reading yeah, condoms.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
And then the other one that was really odd was
and this was only this has only been requested one
time in my twenty year career. He said, do you
have any diving gear? And my husband at the time
was a diver. I'm like, I do. It's like right across,
I'm looking at the closet. It's in there. He's like,
could you get the mask, the fins and the snow
(10:00):
out and put those on nude and then just masturbate
with those on and then like occasionally go like this
so it looks like you're swimming. So of course, and
that's what I did. And I'm sitting in the chair
flipping my feet with these big flipper things on, and
I'm going like that. And then my husband comes home
(10:21):
from work and he looks in the office and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I'll be right with you.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
There's in the oven, poor glass of wine. Oh I'm
still here. Ooh the water is so deep, you know,
And that's it. So Other than that, it was.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
Mostly normal more. I don't want to say normal. I
don't want to kink shame anybody, but.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Right, yeah, but like, what the kind of standard things
that I guess we're used to hearing, you know, I
know fetishes and yeah, foot fetishes, I know that common panties.
Do you ever do like the gigantis ones? I know
that's very popular, Yes, where you make yourself look really
big and yeah, the viewer.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I have over five thousand videos that I've created in
these two decades.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
And Clips for Sale was the first place that I
ever went to, and they were the first ones, like
you said, the first downloadable clip store that was in existence.
I met the owner at the time. His name is Neil.
He's no longer the owner. I think he's shifted it
over to other people, but he's still in the industry
and amazing. And I met him at a foot party
(11:26):
and he was like.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Oh, you got to get on my site. You got
to sell your stuff on my site.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
So that's how I ended up there and doing the same,
just looking scrolling at all the different fetishes and just
amazed and clicking on the weirdest ones and finding out
that the studio does really well.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
So, yeah, did anybody ever tell you or revealed to you,
like why they had a very specific fetish? Was there
ever any interesting story behind somebody's request.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
A lot of stories that I've heard is from childhood people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I've said things from childhood.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Yeah, I remember there was one about the nail tapping,
and he said that he had a teacher when he
was young in grade school, and she was very beautiful,
and she was very strict, and she would tap her
nails on the desk, just probably without even realizing she
was doing it, like when they were all working on
(12:20):
their school work. She would sit and look around the
classroom and just sort of gently tap her nails, and
he would look up whenever he felt safe to look up,
and would look at her nails because the sound was distracting.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
And then she was distracting, he said.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
And then ever since then, that's it, you know, he's
been fascinated by women's hands and nails and the nail tapping. Yeah,
and the same with pantyhose and high heels. Pantyhose is
a huge fetish and you know, you know, and I
know when we slip on a pair of pantyhose and
look in the mirror, we're not like, oh oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
We're like get it in. There was sausage time, you know.
Speaker 5 (13:00):
Yeah, but there's people, you know, so many that just
love to see you in pantyhose, and you know, and
that I really believe that comes from fit and polished,
polished looks from the past, you know, teachers or authority figures.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, yeah, yeah, because you're right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
The few fans that I've spoken to or other creators
who've you know, talked about when they've discovered people's reasoning
behind their requests, it's almost always something that happened to
them at this key moment in their adolescence when they're
like having that sexual awakening and something occurs and it
just creates like this, there's like this bonding that goes
(13:42):
on with and then they associate like a sexual feeling
with that particular thing.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, for the rest of their like a sexual trigger
and it's become sexualized or fetishized.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Yeah, it's so interesting because I you know, I have
my fantasies and I go through them, but I can't
stick to like one, like one thing for my whole
life would never serve me. But I guess some people
can just yeah, one thing can be through the same
I'm constantly evolving and learning and finding things that I
(14:13):
used to like five years ago that today are just
like yeah, you know, but I mean we evolve as humans,
so we evolve sexually too. And but you're right, some people, boy,
it's like solid, It's like that fetish will never go away.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
It's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, that's so interesting. So when you started posting this
taboo like content online, did you realize at the time
that you were one of, like the only people doing
it or did that did you recognize that later?
Speaker 5 (14:45):
So I was on clips for sale and doing all
this fetishy stuff from A to Z, So, you know,
like I said earlier, I have videos that are twenty
years old starting from the very beginning that are all fetishi.
And then I sort of evolved into working with male
talent and working with my husband on camera, and then
(15:13):
there wasn't a lot of talk about Milf. You know.
Then the movie American Pie came out and that's when
it kind of surged, and a customer wrote to me
and said, would you consider making this custom video for me?
Speaker 3 (15:27):
And it was mom steps on.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
I'll say steps on because we're not supposed to do
the other, but it was the other. At the time,
we didn't have all of these rules and regulations to
go by. So I read the script and it was
like mom son stuff, and I was like, I don't
have a problem with this this because it's fantasy. This
is fantasy roleplay. I'm a film producer, I'm creating a film.
(15:54):
This is not my lifestyle. This is not my actual
family member. So we made it when we threw it
up on Clips for Sale, and it went right to
number one, like shot right up the charts, number one.
It snowballed after that and my studio went up to
number one, and then we just sat there for almost
(16:15):
a decade at number one selling studio on clips for Sale,
And that was when Taboo Milf Red Milf was born. Yeah,
and then I realized, wow, this is really something. Yes,
it's huge demand, but I really I had no idea.
I didn't even see the movie American Pie, and I
(16:36):
didn't know what MILF was until someone told me. I
didn't know what it stood for and my LF I
had no idea.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Were you surprised by how well that clip did?
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yes? I was, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I again, I'm a film producer, I'm a writer, a director,
an actor, So to me, this was just creating a story,
a storyline. I wasn't thinking about it in that way
that it's so taboo. I really didn't think about it
like that, and it really was. I think that's why
(17:07):
it might have done so well.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
The stepmom genre is still sort of controversial today, but
I feel like it's almost become like a joke now
at this point. So what was the response like twenty
years ago or was it just not.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Really out in the public.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean there was no social media, right, so there
was no one on Twitter to yell at you exactly,
and you were probably just dealing directly only with your customers.
You clearly liked it, so I guess you probably didn't
get like any kind of negative feedback on it.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
No, No, And it went right up like it was insane,
the sales and how it just shot right up. So
that tells you what's going on. So we're like, okay,
this is what this is really good. We're going to
keep doing this. So then from there on I started
to create milf content where everything that I did I
was a milth and you know, more family fantasies, right
(17:59):
and all of that, and that was my ladder to success.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I mean, so many older women these days like that's
their bread and butter.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Yes, step yeah, steps.
Speaker 5 (18:13):
But now I just feel like it is like getting
to be out of control because you see, like twenty
two year old's my step mom's hot friend.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I'm like, daughter, Yeah, she's the daughter, right.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yeah, everyone's trying to like capitalize on this. Yeah, why
do you think it's so popular?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Well, you know, I think that older women to younger men,
it's a mystery.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
We know what we want.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
We were sexually experienced, we can take charge, we're.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
In control, you know. I think there's those elements.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
I honestly don't think it has to do with anything
to do with like actual men are actually attracted to
their birth mothers. I don't think that's the case at all. Yeah,
I think it's just older woman attraction. And I think
it's probably sexy to younger men when we have we've already.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Had children, we're married.
Speaker 5 (19:11):
All these things are appealing to certain you know, to
certain people, like that's why there's the whole cheating thing
and you know, slutty housewives and stuff because they're married,
so that's taboo. So I think it's just the whole
taboo element. But yeah, older women more experience. Yeah, I
think also too.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, well, obviously we've seen like a surge and
divorces and you know, broken families since women actually like
had more autonomy and could get out of unhappy situations,
and so I feel like maybe that's probably there's something
behind there. Maybe a lot of men have come from
places where they had a stepmom. Yeah, and then like
(19:53):
that authority figure, that woman who's not related to you,
right because you're not attracted to your other is in
the house all the time, and you're seeing that person
as you're going through adolescents and as you're changing.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
So yeah, that's probably something there too.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And then you know there's just the porn sites that
are like, oh this does well, let me put out
only this content all the time. And then people like
go to a site and they're like is there anything else?
Does anybody make anything else?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Exactly?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
And it almost becomes like what came first? A chicken
or the egg? Like I watch a lot of Stepmom
content because there's so much of it, yes, or like
you know what I mean, Like I like it because
it's there, or.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Is this just the new norm and this is all that?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, that's all that. Like you're feeding
me exactly exactly.
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Speaker 4 (22:38):
Of your first month.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
You've got one body take care of it like it
takes care of you, so you're obviously doing this taboo content.
You know, you started this, you said twenty years ago.
We've seen so many things in the adult industry change.
How have you seen taboo and fetish genres of all
over the years.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
Well, definitely a lot more restrictions and saturation in the marketplace.
So I've watched unfortunately, you know, trending. You know, something
is selling for individuals, so now everybody's doing it. Yeah,
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then it just gets so saturated, and you know, it
kind of takes away from the whole art of producing
and directing and writing stories and coming up with really
good storylines and.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
You know, just to you know, make a quickie.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
So, yeah, I think that it's really gotten saturated, and yeah,
it's changed a lot in that manner.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
And you find it difficult to work with the restrictions.
I mean specifically on certain platforms.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's really really Instagrams are getting deleted, shut down. There's
no one you can talk to when that happens. It's
just you went against community guide lines. What did I
do you see the picture? What's wrong with this picture?
It could be a word you used. You could have
used the word milf and that could have flagged something.
So now it's like, you know, what, what can we say?
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How can we post? Can we sit on a bed
and talk? Like I've heard you're not supposed to be
on a bed. I heard you're not supposed to be
in your underwear?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
You're not.
Speaker 5 (24:22):
You know, there's so many it's just ridiculous. You know,
it's like, what are we allowed to share anymore? And
how long is this gonna last? I mean, is Twitter
going to be there forever or is it going to go?
And what happens if it goes intoto the industry? And no,
guys can't do that anymore? You know, then you've got
meta and it's just really I don't know where it's going.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
But now, what about restrictions on like actually making adult content,
because there are like so many new guide you know,
the credit card companies have really come down hard on
the adult industry and put in all kinds of very
specific restraint. And when I was directing, there was some
really crazy shit that we had to go by. I
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remember one of the things and this isn't necessarily crazy,
but it's just annoying that you have to write this
into the script where I think in like the first
five minutes you have to make sure that you established,
if it's a step scene, that the younger step son
or stepdaughter was of eight was over the age of
eighteen when they like met the stepmom or the stepdad,
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so there was no suggestion that they were ever there
was ever anything going on when they were under age,
which I totally understand. Sure, it was just like you
always had to write in there somewhere, like it would
have to be something like, you know, when you married
my dad when I was eighteen, I was really mad,
like something, you know what I.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Mean, and you're my step mom, you know, and then
you have to verbalize step son or daughter.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Yeah, yeah, and then you know other things around you know, consent,
which again obviously like consent is a very important part
of what we do and behind the scenes we are
very adamant about it. But like one of the restrictions
was you couldn't even if somebody was sleeping, you couldn't
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touch them, Yes, like you couldn't tap them awake, Like
if we were shooting a dialogue scene.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Yeah, there's no sex in the scene at all.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Someone's sleeping and the husband comes in and like shakes
her awake.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Nope, that's out. Can't touch them. You can't do it.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
You have you shouldn't be sleeping, you shouldn't do it
because it's just yeah, And I'm just like, and there's
no more hypnosis, mind's control.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's a huge fetter. You can't have a lot a
lot of times. You can't have like a glass of wine. No,
no more in there.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
And in most of my films, again coming from twenty
years ago, watching sitcoms, this is those were my you know,
those were my muses. Was like watching Will and Grace
and I Love Lucy and all these shows I love.
And so I'm like, all right, we're going to start
the scene out where you see the car keys, the
car engine turn off, and I want you to film
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my feet the door open, the shoes hit the ground,
clip clop, clip keys into the front door, drop the keys,
Pour a martini which is water into a martini glass,
just water. We're not really drinking on the you know,
making a film, and then drop the olives, sit down,
kick off the heels. This is a whole setup that
we see on TV. This is how people set up scenes.
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The person got home from work, they're tired, they slip
off their shoes, they have a cold, drink, you know,
and we can't do that. So I'm literally older content.
We're having to chop it up and remove and it's
I just don't you know, I don't understand why our
industry has to do that. But yet you can watch
this on TV on the other networks.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
You know.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
So are there any platforms that you're able to sell
your content in whole?
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Or is this for is this across the board for
every every form?
Speaker 5 (28:00):
Yeah, because I'm on all the platforms. Clips for sale, many.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
VIDs for sales also liked to fan down with these strictions.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, because it's the banking, the MasterCard and visa.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
I knew that, like there was some putting it down
on every single platform, and if they're not happening now,
they will, yeah, because there were some platforms that were
like a little bit more lenient than other ones, and
it all came down to their interpretation of the rules.
But I did actually just get a notification from Fansy
recently that a bunch of things that were previously okay
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are now no longer okay.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Yeah, anything suggests that you're in public.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
And content too.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
With the holding up the both IDs they have to
be pictures so if I have content that's fifteen years old,
and I worked with all amateur people that answered backpage
and Craigslist ads. I never hired a professional. I've never
worked with professionals or done mainstream eighteen years. I did
all just so you don't have litter men answering ads
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that I put out. Yeah, and I can't reach them now, yeah,
you know, so it's tricky. Yeah, that's what my website
is good for.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
So before we started the show, you mentioned that you
are in training to be a dominator.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Can you tell us about that?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Yes, A little plug mistress Damiana Chi here in Los Angeles.
She owns the Temple of Chi and she has an academy.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
And if you guys haven't seen her, she was on
my show, So go check that episode out. It's really interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
Yeah, really good episode. And she's PhD in psychology, so fascinating.
So this is way more than just how to dress
in shiny clothes and paddle somebody you know and tell
them to give you money. You know, this is like
really the psychology like I was talking about earlier, when
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I was first camming and people were telling me, do
you have this? Can you do that I was just
fast because I've never heard of these desires before, and
they're paying for this, and you know, it's a fetish.
So the world of BDSM is fascinating to me and
I'm very drawn to it. And I realized when i
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started to study with the Academy that I've always been
doing this. You know, in all the videos that I've made,
I'm always the one in charge unless it was otherwise written,
but if it's up to me, I'm the one that
walks in the room and takes control, and the younger
man is always ooh, and I'm like, oh, you know,
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it's that vibe right right, right right, And I like
that vibe. You know, that's my playful, fun vibe, and
that's just what I like to do. So being a
dom was just like, that's what you do. You walk
in a room and you take control and you take
charge of whomever. Doesn't have to be a young man,
it could be anybody, you know, And I just find
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it fascinating the whole power dynamic. And there's like four
archetypes that we're learning about, the mother, the queen, the seductress,
and the authoritarian, and we all embody those four things.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
In our lives.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
We are mothers where queens were authoritarians, and we are
seductress too, So incorporating all of those into like a
power play scene is really challenging and interesting and really fun.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
I think anybody who's experimented in BDSM in any way
can attest to the fact that it is so psychological.
It's so much more mental than it is the physical act.
I was in a BDSM relationship with somebody for a while,
and yeah, I mean it came down to the way
that he presented himself and that, you know, how he
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carried himself and how because I've had other men, you know,
because I tend to be naturally submissive in bed, and
I've had other men try to dominate. Mean, yeah, like
you have to have you have to mean it, Like
when you call me a dirty little horror.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You have to mean it.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Yeah, because if you don't mean it, I need to
feel it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Yeah, absolutely, of course.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
And you know, our tone when we use language is
where primal beings from the caveman. So we know in
someone's voice, if it's like you said, like really meaning it,
or if it's just sort of I'm going to dominate you,
you know or I'm dominating you.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
She did want your knees, eyes down. She did touch on.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
The voice when she was on, and she said something
about how the note at the end has to go
down rather than up, like very specifically, or it.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Sounds like a suggestion or a question, or is it okay? Yeah,
if I tell you to get on your knees, you know,
it's like you just make those commands and yeah, I'm
learning so much. She's a great mentor and teacher, and
she has I don't know how many slaves the dungeon.
But one of the workshops was unbelievable. I was just
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sitting there looking around taking it all in. It was
a workshop of six six women, and these other women
had come from all over the United States, like Oklahoma,
and these are like vanilla housewives that have joined this
academy and they want to be doms, but they're not
sure how they're going to do this or where or whatever.
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They're just interested and coming from very vanilla marriages. They
all told their stories and I'm, of course, I was
the only one that's in the adult industry, so I
have twenty years in the adult industry.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And they were all like, oh, really, wow.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
And we're all sitting in a little circle and the dungeon,
and then the slaves come in, six naked men with
callers on.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
She brought one of them here, mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
What was her name, Sweet Julia or Stacy Stacy who
it was, Yes, very tall, yes, yes, y y yes,
I know them all and it was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
And then we there was six of us and six slaves,
so we each could practice and we practice spanking and
then crops, cock and ball ties where we took little
ropes they're very thin, and she did. The slaves are
all laid down on the floor, and she showed us
how to tie their balls and their cock like in
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this little design thing and be able to lead them
tie another rope and then you could walk around the
studio and lead them by their cock and balls.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
And I'm like tying.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
My birthday is September fifth, if anyone wants to buy.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Me a But that's like so fasting.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
I'm like sitting there tying, and I'm like raising my hand.
I don't know is the rope supposed to go under
or over? She's like through. I'm like, oh, right through.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
And then I'm like what when I looked around. I'm like,
all of a sudden reality hits.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
What are we? But this is awesome I'm doing?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (35:02):
Oh, Like I wish I could get my phone and
just go like this right now, because like nobody's gonna believe.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
What did you do this weekend?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:09):
You know, I went to an immersive event.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Tell me about it. What has been the most surprising
thing that you've learned so far.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
In the whole academy?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Yeah, Like, was there anything that you kind of were like, huh,
I didn't know that or didn't expect that, or didn't
think that this was something that like DOMS needed to
know or I don't notice anything that.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
One thing is the psychology behind all of it. So
it's more than just you know, sexual and kinky sex.
It's like it's really it's healing, very healing for a
lot of people. And I've heard that before, But before
I didn't know anything about BDSM. I only knew what
the media kind of projected, that it's dark, dangerous in
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dark places that are underground, and you could get hurt,
and you know, it's just sex traffic. Yeah, yes, just
that kind of negative. And I learned that that's just
not the case. I mean, I won't say for everybody,
because you know, there's always those people out there that
give a bad name and they're not are not safe,
but you've got to do your research. That BDSM is
healing and it's it's can help you to grow. And
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also the sisterhood that's among the other doms shocked me,
like I'm so not used to women being so supportive
and right there at your fingertips. And there's like a
group chat like on signal or something where all the
doms are and you can just literally reach out, Hey,
I have a question, or Hey, I'm going to be
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staying does anyone in San Diego or is anyone here?
Speaker 3 (36:40):
And they just answer you right away.
Speaker 5 (36:42):
And it's just the support and the sisterhood listening to
women chat. There's a zoom call every Wednesday that the
doms can all join and people are just talking about
everyday life and what's going on in their relationships. It's
like support groups, and they're also supportive and just giving
of their time.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
And I was.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
Really really happy to learn that because i feel like
I've I've just you know, been I've just made a
new family.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
I'm in a new community.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
It's very welcoming and loving and nurturing and caring.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
So isn't it interesting when women are empowered how they
feel like the freedom and I think the kinship to
support each other. Yes, you know, I find that often
when women are scratching at each other or being caddy,
it's usually because they're competitive, because they're insecure.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
Absolutely, because they feel disempowered. Yes, I think that that's
absolutely correct. Yeah, we can see through that and have
compassion for those individuals. Realize they're scared, just like when
a dog growls and bites at you.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
They're scared free to lose whatever it is that. Yeah,
they think you're going to take from them.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yes, yeah, all right, So I want to talk about
your break from porn. We took about seven years off
after the death of your husband, Frank. How did your
life change after that kind of sudden loss.
Speaker 3 (38:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:09):
So he was the partner that I was talking about earlier,
and he ended up leaving his corporate job. When we
started Clips for Sale and we started to surge and
do really well, we both realized we need to do
this full time. I left the salon and he left
his job and we did this for I am a
good eleven years. I guess, so no, seven years. We
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did it together for about seven years, and then he
was diagnosed with cancer, polling cancer at forty eight, and
then he died three months later. So it was a
big shock. So I decided to take some time off.
I was living in Florida and I was I'm from Maine,
originally from the Northeast, and I missed everything about the Northeast,
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the seasons and all of that.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
So I just said, I'm going to go. I'm going
to go to Maine.
Speaker 5 (38:59):
I bought an old house, a Victorian house that was
like one hundred and fifty years old, and I decorated
all the rooms and just took some time by the
ocean and just healed and decided what I wanted to do.
And you know, I still stayed active on social media,
but I wasn't shooting at all. So just a quick
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thank you to all the loyal subscribers and fans for
supporting me through all that. They stuck with me just
doing Twitter posts. That was really all I was doing.
And then I met a fan about seven years in
and we started chatting, and then fast forward, we end
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up together. He was in New York, I was in Maine.
He's originally from Turkey. His name is John, and he's
a fan. He said, I've been a fan of years
for a long time when I was living in Turkey,
and here I am at your house in Maine. I
can't believe this, you know. And we just hit it
off and we've been together six years now.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Wow. So where did you meet him? Like on one
of your platforms?
Speaker 5 (40:03):
Yeah, I just I was doing some kind of a post.
I don't remember what it was, but it was, you know,
reply to this and get a free signed photograph or something.
And I was scrolling through the people that had replied
and I saw his little picture and I stopped on
it because I thought he It just caught my eye
and I looked at him and I said, oh my gosh,
he's like really what a good looking guy. So I
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just said, oh, I'll just say hi, why not see
where he's from?
Speaker 3 (40:29):
Curious?
Speaker 5 (40:30):
And then we just started chatting and he's like, I'm
in New York, but I'm from Turkey, but I've been
here for so many years and you know whatever, and
it just worked out.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
So how was it like meeting him? Because I mean,
right now, you're describing like the ultimate fantasy for a
lot of men, right, Like a lot of men I
think hope that there's a possibility that they could meet
their favorite porn star and you know that she would
actually date them and potentially fall in love with them,
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and they think, you know, and this is not common,
This has not happen very often, So don't get too exciting.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
But obviously it does.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
So like, take me through how that conversation evolved, Like
how was he different from everybody else where?
Speaker 4 (41:17):
You felt like even like safe with him? You know
what you mean?
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (41:20):
Well, in that seven years, I took a few years
off from dating and everything.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I really wasn't in that mood at all.
Speaker 5 (41:28):
And when I did start to feel okay, let me
just see what get back out there, I went on
the dating apps, and you know, I'm in the adult industry,
and it's like, I am not gonna lie about who
I am. But I also don't feel safe telling men
that I'm meeting who I am right away first date.
You know, Unfortunately you can't just say hi, I'm Rachel
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and I'm in the adult industry. You know, I wish
you could, but you know, who are you talking to?
What are their reactions? Going to be and are you safe?
So I dated, not even dated. I met with people,
had a coffee and just said oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no,
all the way down. So when we started chatting, I
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was already done. You know, I didn't want anyone. I
wasn't looking for a relationship. But he talked to me.
He wasn't like like, you know, he treated me like
a person that I wasn't just a one dimensional character.
He asked me questions about other interests besides just my work.
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And then that two weeks of chatting, we decided to meet.
So he came to Maine from New York and we
hung out and and he was just he just made
me feel normal, like he wasn't just talking about work,
and you know, because otherwise I'm just a fantasy character,
fulfilling his little fantasy.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
And what am I going to get out of this?
Speaker 5 (42:57):
So I was very clear with him that that's not
what I'm looking to do, and you know, and it
just yeah, he was just a real person and he
was not impressed he did. He didn't act what's the word,
like you know, starstruck or anything like that. So that
was that was nice. And no judgment. There was no
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judgment at all coming from him, which felt good after
dealing with men that were slut shaming other women that
they had dated telling me about their experiences, and I'm like, oh,
he's just slut shamed three women and I haven't even
finished my coffee. Yeah, I'm so out of here, you know,
(43:40):
it's it's really bad. And this John just was not
like that. And I could just you know, you can
see right away people's character.
Speaker 4 (43:50):
So other.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Performers who I've spoken to who have dated fans or
even just like civilians as we call them, we call
people who aren't in to build industry civilians, you know,
who are at first excited about dating a point star.
Speaker 4 (44:06):
Right, it feels exciting.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Everyone desires this person, and then as time goes on,
the jealousy sets in, and then you know, and then
they want to own them, and then there's like all
these other problems that arise. I'm going to assume that
none of those things happened for you.
Speaker 5 (44:23):
So Frank was not like that, and I was really
happy about that. He was like, Yes, bring in other men,
let's work with other men. I can't always be in
front of the camera, behind the camera editing and you know,
doing all that administrative work and being the talent in
front of the camera. So I never had that with him,
And then meeting John, I was very closed off.
Speaker 3 (44:44):
I had the walls up.
Speaker 5 (44:46):
I was very suspicious, and I sort of I said
to myself, you know, well, we'll ride this as long
as we can see where this goes. But he was
such a good guy that and there was no jealousy
there at all. He's very open minded sexually. He believes
that if you have trust and transparency and communication in
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a relationship, that there's really nothing that you couldn't do
if you so choose, and if each individual.
Speaker 3 (45:17):
Chooses, meaning like any kind.
Speaker 5 (45:19):
Of relation dynamic, you know, he's open to open or
polly or you know, all of that.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
He's just he's just open to all of that.
Speaker 5 (45:29):
So there's just you know, other than me lying, cheating
and being completely dishonest, that would be about the only
thing that would.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Make him upset.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
So you've now had two relationships with men who have
not only accepted what you do for a living, but
have worked alongside you. What are the two or what
characteristic do you think that Frank and John have in
common that makes that like kind of collaboration possible, or like,
what was there one thing in your relationship that you
think makes you know that kind of relationship work.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
I guess it would be trust. You know that they
trust me, and I trust them. They know they both
He knew and John knows that when I go to work,
if they're not with me, that I'm not having an affair.
I'm not lying and cheating. So you know, there's that trust.
Trust is there, and when that's there and you really
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have that, it's really you can do anything. It's very
liberating to have that.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, And I feel like that trust is probably rooted
in like a real sense of self confidence.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Right, I'm going to assume that both men are pretty confident.
Speaker 5 (46:46):
Yes, definitely, Yeah, to have that, Yes, to let let
all of these things to be able to happen around
them without them, Yeah, they don't have those issues or
that baggage.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
So what does it make you we decided to come
back into the industry, and how did you come back
into the industry.
Speaker 5 (47:03):
When I met up with John, it was right around
twenty nineteen, so COVID hit and we decided to stay
in my house in Maine. He had an apartment in
New York, but it was really small, so we decided
to take my big, beautiful home and stay in Maine,
hunker down there. And that's when I started. We started
to get on OnlyFans and I started shooting with him.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
You know, I'm like I was then.
Speaker 5 (47:28):
I was like, let's make some content, let's do this,
because he was down He's like, yeah, let's do it. So,
you know, it was with our phones and it was
like trying to get them up on little tripods and
trying to look at the camera make sure we're lined up. So,
you know, not the best filming, but the best we
could do. And we just started to make content and
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throw it up on OnlyFans and it started to grow
and do really well, and the fans thank you again
so much. Fans they started to like, oh, you're back, Yay,
you're back.
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Rachel's back.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
So it just really motivated me and inspired me to
just let's just do this.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
So, yeah, have you seen any significant changes in the
adult industry since you've come back? I guess besides like
the restrictions because of.
Speaker 5 (48:14):
The saturation all these platforms, AI like, it's insane. It's
really changed a lot and pretty quickly. I see it's
going to keep going that way, especially with AI. I
just can't even imagine what the possibilities are. You know,
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it's pretty endless.
Speaker 4 (48:36):
So does it make you nervous or does it make
you excited?
Speaker 5 (48:39):
A little of both, excited but nervous at the same time.
I have a lawyer and we were chatting about I
sent him a few applications for different AI companies that
some people are joining and having the character of their character,
and he read over everything, the fine print, you know,
(49:00):
and everything, and it's just this, there's there's a little
question there about who actually owns your I guess avatar
character whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Oh, yes, we'll delete it.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
Wants you if you decide you want to get out
or you die, you know, you know, I want the
account deleted or shut down or whatever. They agree to that,
but they there's no there's no specific language that says
where that that character is like theirs, like they own
the data. They own that so they might be able
(49:33):
to use it later on, so they could use my
likeness to advertise or market or do whatever. So in
that aspect, I'm a little nervous about the whole about
things that are coming into fruition. I just want the
contracts to be crystal clear as to who has the rights,
(49:54):
who who's intellectual property. These things need to be really clear, yea.
You know, as a model or a performer, you don't
want to just sign your rights a way. And you
hear about this in the music industry and other contracts
people entertainers have gotten stuck with.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
They're like, oh, I just didn't.
Speaker 5 (50:11):
Know and we signed it, and now they own it
and I'm out and there's nothing I can do.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
Mean so often, like you see celebrities like have to
or do sign away their likeness and their rights because
I mean, I just rewatched one of the Star Wars.
I can't remember which one, I'm sorry Sun Wars fans,
but the one where they like took Carrie Fisher and
they had to basically AI her because she died while
they were filming it.
Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
And they were able to do that, you know, because
they had the rights.
Speaker 3 (50:41):
To that character, to that character. Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah. It is tricky.
Speaker 3 (50:46):
So that's all I would say. I'm kind of concerned about.
Speaker 5 (50:48):
It's just legalities, but everything else I'm excited about because
I'm excited to think too that you know, you can
only work so hard producing and performing and being in
front of a camera for so long, and eventually you
might want to step back and maybe do some other things,
directing or just producing or but it would also be
(51:10):
nice to have passive income with a Rachel Steele character.
So yeah, you know, I welcome everything, but I'm also cautious.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
How do you.
Speaker 1 (51:19):
Balance your personal life in your career, especially when you
work with your partner.
Speaker 5 (51:25):
We stop at five o'clock and that's it. We have
in home offices. We shut those doors, We hit the
grab ourselves a cocktail and sit on the front porch
and just enjoy the sunset and chat about our day.
We go on vacations, we take time off. That's just
we're out of here. We go to Europe.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Because I feel like if I shot content with my husband,
if like we shot boygirl content, which I don't, so
don't get excited, I would have a very hard time
not shooting while we were traveling because it'd be like, oh,
look at this hotel, oh so beautiful.
Speaker 4 (52:01):
Like we're in Paris, we have this Eiffel Tower in
the back.
Speaker 1 (52:04):
We got to film something like that would be so
hard for me not to do. Do you do you
struggle with that or are you guys pretty good at
just being like, no phones, this is our time off.
Speaker 5 (52:13):
Well, we did do that in the first few years.
We traveled all over the place and we did shoot
in these beautiful places we just did.
Speaker 3 (52:23):
We were like, this is too nice.
Speaker 5 (52:25):
We can't not Yeah, and we're both excited about it
because it's like, this is Austria, let's do it.
Speaker 3 (52:29):
Here, you know. But we're not shooting together anymore.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (52:33):
So he is so busy. I told him when I
met him, I will keep you busy. And now he's
working eight hours a day, more than eight hours, usually
seven days a week. We're managing my content so he's
my content manager and social media person. So he does
all of this administrative work and it's a lot, and
(52:54):
he's booked solid doing it. He's actually had to delegate
off some of it because it's just too much. So
we decided no more of that, and I'm working now
more in mainstream limelight. So the last two years or so,
I've you know, came to LA and decided to start
(53:14):
working with Pro Male Talent and Pro Female Talent, two
people that are in the mainstream, and I've been doing
that here in Los Angeles in Vegas two. Yeah, so
we're no longer working together as a couple, but we
(53:35):
have a lot of videos from when we were.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
So you're able to go to that beautiful hotel room
in Paris and just enjoy it exactly. Yes, So looking back,
what do you feel the most proud of in your
career and in your personal life if they are maybe
two separate things.
Speaker 5 (53:52):
I guess that the fact that I'm an entrepreneur and
self made, self taught, no education, high school graduate, barely
coming from domestic violence, drug and alcohol abuse, and I
just kept rising up and said no, no. I only
(54:14):
allowed certain sort of negative patterns to last for so
long before I would just like literally look and go,
this is not good. Thank God, because some people, when
you're in it, you don't see it kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (54:29):
But I was in abusive relationships.
Speaker 5 (54:31):
Very violent, and I was like it only happened like
one one, you know, incident would happen with this individual,
and I was out of there like so fast, not
thinking like where am.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
I going to go, What am I going to do?
How am I going to do it?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
What?
Speaker 3 (54:46):
You know?
Speaker 5 (54:46):
And those are all very valid questions, but no, just
got the hell out of there and figured it all
out later, and then just being able to like start
off in the salon industry doing nails and then ended
up buying that hair salon that I worked at, and
then ended up doubling that salon into a huge spa,
and then going from that business fourteen years into the
(55:09):
adult industry and just seeing, wow, this is insane, look
at the opportunity here, let me try this, and then
shooting up to the top, and then making it work
for the last twenty years and just you know, having
a production company and doing it all, you know, by
myself and with a lot of help from to two
(55:29):
really good partners and some other people too.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably the most. Yeah, that feels the best.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
All right, well, thank you so much for coming in.
I do have a bunch of questions for you from
my Patreon members, all right, which we will do in
a separate segment, But for now, can you tell everybody where.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
They can find you online?
Speaker 5 (55:49):
Yes, I can be found at my website Rachel dash
Steel dot com, Instagram is Rachel underscore Steel XO x SOH,
and Twitter is at Redmilf Rachel and if you don't
remember all of that, just google my name Rachel Steele
(56:09):
and you will.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Find me and steal with an E on the end
of it.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
Yes, s T E E L E Yes awesome.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
And you guys, of course, can find me on Instagram
and on Twitter at Holly Randall. Go to hollylinks dot
com for access to all of my platforms, and then,
of course, if you want to support this podcast, watch
these interviews live stream to get access to bonus behind
the scenes content like the Patreon questions that we're going
to go to. You can submit your own questions for
(56:38):
my guests. Go to patreon dot com slash Holly Randall
Unfiltered and join for as little as five dollars a month.
It's not that much, so much reward. Thank you guys
so much for watching, and I will see you next week.
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