Sophia Locke & Derek Kage: "Farm-to-Table" But Make it 🌽

What happens when a prolific gay porn star and a fit-guy-obsessed bombshell collide for their first-ever collaboration across the gender spectrum?   Sophia Locke and Derek Kage get naked—not just on set, but emotionally too. From their AVN Expo meet-cute to the unexpected learning curve of cross-genre porn, they spill it all: messy, sexy, hilarious, and deeply personal.   Derek opens up about escaping 9-to-5 soul rot and the rock-bottom moment that almost ended everything, until he found his people and purpose in porn. Sophia shares how the industry let her fully step into her sex-positive, outspoken self, and why she couldn’t fake it in real estate if she tried.   You’ll probably Google “delts.” You’ll laugh until you cry. We get into gym bros, astrology limits (sorry, your Aries dog doesn’t count), the emotional IQ of performers, and Sophia’s PSA about women’s sexual health—and why it’s vital for all of us to pay attention.   And of course, we get another explosive story from Madrid—honestly, we might need to make a documentary about that. (Only on my Patreon)   Unlock VIP access with Patreon! Get the unfiltered, raw experience plus an exclusive bonus Q&A with Sophia Locke and Derek Kage. Ready for all the extra perks and insider secrets? Head to patreon.com/hollyrandallunfiltered and join the fun!   ________________________________________________________     AUTO GRO Pump Get out your phones right now and visit AutoGroPump.com/Holly for 20% off your order when you enter code HOLLY   BlueChew:  Make life easier by getting harder and discover your options at BlueChew.com! And we’ve got a special deal for our listeners: Try your first month of BlueChew FREE when you use promo code HOLLY -- just pay $5 shipping. That’s promo code HOLLY. Visit BlueChew.com for more details and important safety information, and we thank BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast.  

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Episode Transcript

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to be bringing it to you. All Right, So, our
guests today are two best friends. She's an industry boomerang
who came back strong as a kink loving milf, and
he is America's stepdad, who won Best Actor and Best
Newcomer at the Gabe Ends, was x BIZ two time

(01:19):
Gay Performer of the Year and also x BIZ FSC
Advocacy Award. Welcome Sophia Locke and Derek Cage.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Hello, Thank you for having us.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We were just saying Derek was going to bring all
of his awards with him, but they didn't fit in
his car, so you're just going to have to, you know,
imagine them on the shelf next to him. They're they're
in our hearts, all of the awards. And then Sophia,
you're here to keep him humble, right, And I've won nothing,
so I am here just to make sure.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
That we all know about his You've won my affection.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
You've won so many hearts, the hearts of many penises,
the hearts of mine. If it makes you feel any better,
I've been in the industry for twenty six years and
I've won very few awards. I got my first ABN
last year. Hall of Fame, Wow, and that was only
because I literally like nagged them for so long and

(02:17):
I like bitched about it on this podcast for you though,
and then I and then I like finally went to
Todd Hunter and I was like, Todd, can you please
go come on them for only one here? He's just
the Hall of Fame is huge. And then finally they
were like, oh my god, shut that bitch up. Here
you go. Yeah, no, it's not everything.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
I'm not worried about it. I like the day to day.
I love what I do, so yeah, I mean it's
nice to get nominated for things, which I've at least
had that, but I don't really. Yeah, it's fine if
I don't want anything. I'm just happy to have sex
on camera.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, I mean, you know we always say, like, that's
not necessarily what pays your bills, right right, Yeah, Yeah,
it's important. Is like loving your job and getting the
bookings and like being excited to go to work every day.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
Absolutely, yeah, I definitely have that.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
So let's start from the beginning. Where did you two
meet and how quickly did you guys become besties?

Speaker 3 (03:11):
You want to take this one?

Speaker 4 (03:12):
Sure, Well, we actually met online on Twitter because we
have a mutual friend who recommended him to me, and
so we met just saying we would maybe do a
collab together, and I thought he was sexy. I didn't
look up any of his work, so I had no
idea how prolific of a gay performer he was. I
just went, this man is hot, he's got a great voice.

(03:33):
And then we both got really busy and met actually
in person just by chance at the AVN Expo in
twenty twenty three, and I saw him in person and went, yeap,
he's pretty hot. So yeah, we scheduled a collab, and
then right before our very first collab, he told me
I was his very first female collab, which I had

(03:53):
no idea.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I was going to ask if the collab was just
the two of you or with another guy, because you're
like pretty gay, right.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Very very gay, which I was surprised because you know,
if you look at my Twitter, especially at that point,
it was gay gay gay gay gay gay. Yeah, I was.
I was very curious, and I was very open to
the idea of working with women, you know, cisgender women,
because I'd worked with transgender men and transgender women, but
never a cis gender woman. And I was like, I'm curious,

(04:24):
I would like to try this, and she was very
you know, she was into it.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Just yeah, and we had such a wonderful collab and
it was great chemistry. It went really well. There was
a moment during it, he knows, there was a moment
during it where he was going to town I orgasm
really easily through penetration, which I know, I'm lucky, where

(04:50):
I was going to come and so I told him
I was going to come just you know, for funzies
and he and he went, oh, and he stopped, and
I I thought that he was messing with me and
just trying to you know, just trying to edge me base,
to tease me. And he played it off like, yeah,
that's what I was doing. And I found out later
that in Gabe Horn, if you come as the top

(05:12):
or the bottom, the scene is done. And so he
had never worked with women and didn't know we could
just keep going. And I was like, you, bastard, keep
fucking me. I'm gonna come. I'll do it four more times,
you know. So that was one of the very yeah,
early things where we learned that things are a little
different for ladies.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Bless his heart, right, Oh my god, that's so funny.
That is great.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
But then I think soon after that was he was
going to Barcelona and I said I had never been
to Barcelona, and he, on a whim kind of said,
why don't you just come? And I said okay. And
then after that trip we were just we got along
so well that we just decided to be the porn
Will and Grace I guess.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, so when I met you guys, I met
you guys at the ex Biz Executive Awards, right, and
I totally thought you guys were a couple, which you say,
you get a lot we do.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
We have a whole lore. Do you want to talk
about that?

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh? My god? Which part that what people think we
have a love child, That we are married.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
We're hiding all of it. That he's secretly not gay.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, that I'm secret like I'm mostly straight has been
one of the big ones. I really think it's because
we became such fast friends. It was in less than
a year that we just thickest thieves, travel so well together.
We spend time well to with each other, and we
don't like if we're staying in a place, especially if
we're traveling, we don't get in each other's way, Like

(06:43):
in any What was it when you were in London
and you got that digital playground feature? Yeah, and we
were supposed to have a whole travel thing for the rest.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
To Scotland and Ireland together.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
Yeah. But she was like, I got this feature with
digital Playground, and I think some friends might have been like, uh,
how could you do this to me? And I was like,
you better hop your ass on that plane now, go
let me go. Because we're so supportive of each other,
and so I think it's because we have such a
wonderful friendship and that we play so well together, we

(07:18):
do things so well that we're professionally and aligned a
line that people think that we're together, right, But it's like, no,
we are just the most genuine and best of friends.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Like it's a platonic love, but it's love absolutely, you
know what I mean. Like it's just I supportive and
I think being in the same industry and understanding how
it works means that you can do things like I mean,
you left Prague early once and I went go home,
Like we just understand each other, and I think it's
really nice. Also, bonus, we check out all of the
foreign men together, all of us. We know each other's types.

(07:52):
We look out for each other for that, it's great.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
What are your types, Sophia, what's your type?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Okay? For like really fit men, Like I'm really into
I'm a gym bro. I will like talk about someone's
delts in the middle of a scene. It's kind of obnoxious,
but I and I also I'm really into like witty, funny,
quick men that are like smart, confident, successful. I don't

(08:18):
really care about money. I've never really been one to
prioritize money. But if someone is successful and motivated, I'm
attracted to that too, So that makes sense. Yeah, strong arms.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
And then Derek, what about you?

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Oh, this is gonna sound so terrible. Basically a dick
and a pulse. I'm on board. But to clarify that,
I tend to gravitate more towards just like generally fit,
you know, good hygiene, and Latino. I have a thing

(08:52):
for Latino men, for better or worse. It had because
my my ex husband and my ex fiance both different men.
Yeah botho.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Yeah, And I used to really swing that way too,
and it never fails if I ended up marrying like
the whitest man possible.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
That Yeah, and it never fails if someone you know
might possibly be Latino, like I will just my eyes
gravitate immediately. Yeah, it's I don't know what, but generally
just like more well, no, because if there's a guy
that I think is more bottom, because like there's different,

(09:29):
you know, levels of what a guy could be on
the gay side, right, Like if they're generally more petite,
smaller like you, some people tend to view them as
a bottom, like a more receptive person whereas if a
guy's more muscular, like, you know, taller, more confident, people
tend to think of them as the top or like
the giver. It's all, you know, you never really know,

(09:52):
like it could be anything, like someone who looks like
me could be a complete and total bottom, and so
it's you never really know. But in general, I kind
of say, if you have a dick in a pulse
one are you I'm open to it?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Top or bottom or either or.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
Whatever the occasion calls for, is what I like to say. Okay,
top bottom. I was luckily I was blessed in both departments,
you know, ass as well as dick.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
So I'm this was a term I had never heard before.
On the straight side, which is verse verse right, that
you do both?

Speaker 3 (10:26):
I didn't.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
I'm learning a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Yeah, it's for versatile yes.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Ah, okay, I got it. Do you have a preference one.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
Way or the other or it's a mood in chemistry?

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Okay, it depends on like the guy. Yeah, yeah that
makes sense.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, it really all depends.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeah, absolutely so. Derek, you reclaimed your life once when
you finally pursued your dream career. Can you talk about
what your life was like? Before porn.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
Oh god, it was in general, it was it was fine.
There was just nothing exciting about it. There was nothing
I looked forward to, you know, going to work every day.
It was a nine to five sit at a computer job.
I hated it. I felt like my I really felt
like my soul was dying every day I would go

(11:12):
to work. And not only that, but some of the
people I worked with were just sometimes very cruel and
sometimes just you know, they weren't helpful. They they as
well were just not excited to be there. It was
just a nine to five that they're like, all right,
you know, we're here. And also my relationships, you know,
my romantic relationships, none of them worked well. Like I

(11:35):
was too much of a slut and I was too
much of just like exploring and wanting to do other
things and wanting to try new things, and that never
really worked for my partners.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
You're having a hard time being monogamous.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's that's a good way to put it. If big,
if if I were to get into another relationship, I
could not be monogamous. And I've said this, We've talked
about this before, that there's no one single person that
could satisfy all of my sexual desires and if someone
thinks that they could, I invite them to try. Yeah,

(12:08):
and so yeah, my relationships were terrible. My family was
just not, you know, great. So all of the people
that were in my life and all my environment was
just never good. It was never it never fully supported
who I wanted to be as a person. So once
I got into porn, I found my people and I
found something I'm excited about and love what I do.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
So when did the conversation about doing porn first come
up with your ex husband? Because were you married at
the time when you got into porn considering it?

Speaker 3 (12:40):
So when we were married when I was considering it, okay,
but he was not supportive at all, Right, he was
not supportive. Even though this is the kicker. I had
my only fans because I wanted to try it. I
started it in March of twenty twenty days before the
pandemic lockdown. It's like I have wonderful timing in my life.
But it was we both had our only fans. He

(13:02):
had one as well, he was paying for grad school.
Uh huh uh, and I had mine. And I was like,
you know, my work life was terrible. I wanted to
find a way out. I wanted to find something different
and you know, something better. And I told him, I'm like,
I think I think I'd be really good at porn.
I really do. And he just was like, I could
never be with someone that's imporannt. I could never be

(13:24):
with like a porn star. And so that when I
finally asked one time if you'd be okay with me
go into like a little convention for porn, he was like,
this isn't going to work anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Oh wow?

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And that was it?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
That was it?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah? Wow?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
What was it was a little conventional vien No.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's a thing called hustler Ball. Have you ever heard
of it? Mostly on the gay side, that makes sense.
It's kind of just like a party slash, you know,
they have dancers, they have a live show as well,
and so I wanted to go to that.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
And did you go?

Speaker 3 (13:55):
I did?

Speaker 2 (13:56):
And how was it?

Speaker 3 (13:57):
It was fantastic. It was fantastic, And I wound up
meeting people that cast me in scenes.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay eventually, So so that was kind of like your
intro to porn.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, over you know, doing only fans, collaborations and such.
I had met other people, but that was one where
I kind of met directors, I met users, and so yeah,
you could say.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
That, Yeah, what was your first professional scene?

Speaker 3 (14:25):
It was for a company called Trailer Trash Boys. Start
at the top, like started at the bottom. How we're here?
You know? Yeah, it was for it was for a scene, uh,
for Trailer Trash Boys. And I'm from Alabama. Yeah, and
so yeah it was I was I was born for
this and my scene partner was from Alabama as well. Yeah,

(14:50):
and so we like we brought out our Southern accents
and we really played it up like we we did
the full thing, and it was it was fantastic. Wow. Yeah,
but you had a good time, fantastic.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Time, and you felt like after that, you're like, okay,
this is this is going to work for me?

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
And then how did your family find out about your
new career and what was their reaction?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I told them, I told them that, you know, they
knew about like my only fans, they knew things that
I was doing. They were they were hesitant about it,
but like you know, it was making me a little
extra money and it wasn't really you know, I didn't
think it was going to become my life path at
the time. But then once I got into porn, like
full studio porn, they were not really supportive. They were like,

(15:38):
why don't you try and just you know, find another
spot where you already are. Why don't you try and
get into a different office something like that, even though
the job that I had was quite literally bringing me
to the point I wanted to die, not to get
on a serious note or anything.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
But no, weal like serious.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
I in a like late April early May of twenty
twenty two, just before my first scene, attempted suicide, and
it was because you know, my husband had left me.
My life at work was awful, my family life was terrible,
and I was I was battling alcoholism as well, and
I just hit a point where I was like, I'm done.
I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah, and luckily

(16:16):
failed at that. So but after that, you know, for
them to say, oh, you should stay where you are,
you should keep doing what you're doing, is kind of
like a you don't really have my best interests at hardwell, yeah,
like you just wants what you think is good for
you for me.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Right, And so when you came out of that, like
what was your first thought were you glad that it
didn't work?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
I don't really remember how I felt I was. I mean,
obviously I was crying. I was like feeling, you know,
like what did I just do? What just happened? But
I called the National Suicide Hotline. It's a it's actually
nine to eight eight is the three digit number you
can call for anyone that might be struggling. But they
helped me to kind of be like, what is in

(16:59):
yourronment right now that's causing this? And so they actually
I started thinking what is in my environment that's causing this?
It's like, oh, family, job, you know where I am
right now in life, don't I don't like this, I
don't want this. I need to change it. And so
that's kind of how I came out of it.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
And so then what were the next steps that you
took to like change your life?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Started doing studio porn, Yeah, that was it. I stopped drinking.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
That was big, big, big part.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah, that was big. And I started this. This was
one of the things I did for, you know, to
keep my mental health high or like keep it up.
Was a celebrating small victories. So like when my depression
manifests itself in I sleep like fifteen hours a day.
I've become exhausted at just the smallest thing. So getting

(17:44):
up and getting out of bed and brushing my teeth
is actually, like when I'm depressed, is a monumental task,
and so I would celebrate be like I got up
out of bed, I brush my teeth. Fuck, yes, do something?
What's next? What's like, what can I do to make
my day better? And so that was how I kept
myself mentally in a good place, and like coming out

(18:05):
of that depression was celebrating small victories.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Now, I'm sure that you're no stranger to the idea
that so many people believe that porn is something that's
going to lead people to suicide, right, It's going to
lead people to depression, to mental health issues. Obviously your
story is like the reverse of that.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Exactly right.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
So so how do you challenge people who have that
built in preconceived idea that like porn causes mental health
issues and is you know, leads to suicide and depression
like automatically in all people.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Well, I mean, first of all, just take a look
at me and Sophia sitting here right now. I mean,
like our lives before porn you know, like mine, I
definitely struggled. I know we've talked about your relationship, like
in your the time between first when you started porn
and now like we found what we love, We found

(18:59):
what we love to do, Like we are happy to
be on set when we've been on sets together, poor
directors or anybody, because we're like, hey, everybody, let's go. Yeah.
And I would just honestly say, like, you know, there
might have been a time when porn was a wild
wild West of a profession when you know, like respective

(19:22):
women might not have been top tier boundaries, you know,
respecting boundaries that might not have been you know, the
what was expected. But now, especially in my experience, you know,
it might be different as a male. But like I
honestly feel I've never been on a set before where
I've been like, oh, this is dangerous, Like this is
not something I would ever want to be a part of.

(19:44):
Everyone is very respectful, everyone's very supportive. My nine to
five job that I had, no one was respectful. Like
everyone just expected you to do your job and then
just not care about your mental health, not care about
how you were doing, none of that. And so within porn,
you know, we have Pineapple support if you're you know,

(20:05):
for mental health struggles for the performers. I mean like
there's things set up and you know, especially at exbis,
like it is thrown in your face, but like we've
got Pineapple Support, We've got all of these resources for you.
Like how like if you're struggling, you're struggling with addiction,
you know, that's for me. I would say porn is
a place where everybody kind of understands each other and

(20:26):
what we're doing, and that I think everybody's probably had
something in their life where they're like, I get it,
I get what you're going through, and here's resources here,
something to help you. So that's all I could tell
to people that might have preconceived notions or judgments about
it is it's not that way anymore. Yeah, it's really
I've not had that experience, and I honestly feel it

(20:48):
saved my life. I feel like porn saved my life.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, Sophia, I definitely want to get into your story.
But before we go there, just because we're on the topic,
what do you feel that like porn has given you
that has like enriched your life and made you happy
and made you enjoy what you do.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
So what I like to pay attention to is how
I feel after I do certain things. So I cammed
for seven years and I've done studio work, and I've
never left a set or logged off and felt shame
or felt bad about myself. And so I think that
this industry might not be for everyone, of course, you know,
but if you can do this and you feel so

(21:27):
good about yourself after and empowered, and you feel like
you're in control of your career and your life and
your day to day, it's basically linked me to my full,
authentic self. It's exactly who I want to be every day.
I don't have to filter myself on set or with friends,
or I get to be my complete sexual self without

(21:50):
feeling like that's judged or shamed. I'm the happiest I've
ever been by far, So for me, it's just it's
given me me.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh, I love that. I mean, we often talk about,
you know, what is some of the things about porn
that makes it so great? And people ask me, like,
you know, what is the thing about porn that you love?
Like why would you want to work in porn versus

(22:20):
like in fashion or in celebrity? And I would never
ever want to work in fashion. I would never want
to work in celebrity. And I always say it's the people.
Porn stars are literally my favorite people on the planet.
They are so authentic and they are so like true
to who they are, I mean exactly like the things
that you said. And I think that there's something about

(22:42):
being in an industry where you're kind of so vulnerable
and you're like naturally just like kind of not forced
to be who you are. But there's something about like
showing your buttthole on the Internet that just kind of
like sheds all of those yeah, you know, all of
those like walls that we put up, or all of

(23:03):
those pretense that you know, people try to try to
bring up, and yeah, just I don't know, there's something
about porn stars that And also I think having the
bravery to be exactly who they are and to exist
in their own like sexually free space. I think a
lot of people don't have the courage to do that
and to face the stigma that they know that they're

(23:23):
going to have by doing that. I think that takes
a certain kind of person And I love and I
love you guys for being those kind of people.

Speaker 4 (23:32):
Absolutely Yeah, I'll advocate for it forever. I mean, I've
just had such an overwhelmingly positive experience personally.

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you started poorn in twenty ten and then completely stepped
away seven years later. That right, Yes, that's great. What
were you doing during your time away? And why did

(27:04):
you step away?

Speaker 4 (27:05):
So I retired in twenty sixteen, and I left because
I was in a relationship and I felt like he
wasn't comfortable with it, and so I just kept doing
less and less until I felt like I had done
it for seven years it was time to retire. I
was probably getting too old for it, so I convinced
myself to do that in the hopes.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
How old were you at the time when you thought
you were too old for it?

Speaker 4 (27:27):
So I started at twenty five, so seven years later
it was thirty two.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Oh yeah, definitely too old. You gotta get out, I
mean yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:34):
So I loved what I did. I mostly did camming
for the for most of that, but then the last
year and a half between twenty fourteen and twenty sixteen,
I had started doing professional work, mostly for kink dot Com,
and that was just fantasy fulfillment. It was I would
go to San Francisco in the Armory once a month
and just do wild, wild shoots and then come back home.

(27:56):
It was really fun.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
So for those of you who don't know, because when
was I feel like I need to fill people in
if they're new. The Armory was like this huge it's
not even a studio.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Building, like it was dungeony building.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It was a dungeeny building. It was literally like used
to be an art memory. I wasn't Armory, And so
kink dot Com, which is like this huge BDSM fetish site,
basically occupied this entire building and turned it into a
massive fetish production studio. So that's what she means when
she says the Armory.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
And then my partner and I broke up, and I
was single for a little bit, and I moved to
Seattle and then fell in love with someone knew who
was not in the industry, who knew what I did
and was supportive for a long time, you know, and
he never asked me to leave. But I could just
feel the discomfort of sharing me with everyone on the internet.

(28:46):
So I stopped doing boy Girl, and then I stopped
doing girl Girl, and then I stopped doing sexual things
on camera, and I got really creative trying to do
other things on camera that would make me money, like
what like putting a bunch of disgusting foods in a
blender all together and then being paid to take giant
gulps of it, like Manni's and Onions and Captain Crunch,
and it was fantastic in a disgusting way, but it

(29:10):
was entertaining, right, So I hose spelled horrible, but I
did that. So I was doing all these creative shows
on camera, and then eventually decided it was time to retire.
So I did real estate.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
Once you start making like smoothies out of Captain Crunch
and onions, you know you're done.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
I feel like that was the sign. I think that
was maybe the sign that I should be I should
be done. But I but I felt burnt out. And
I think it was because I didn't feel like I
could fully express myself or be myself on camera because
I was so worried about what my partner would think. Right,
And so I retired. I did a full retirement, thought
I would never be there again. I sold my Twitter,
you know.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
I left sold it? Did I didn't even know.

Speaker 4 (29:50):
I guess, I mean, I don't think you're supposed to,
but yeah, okay, which is great. And then I left
the industry completely and did real estate in Seattle for
five years. And then when my partner and I broke up,
the one that I left the industry for there was
only fans now, right, and a couple of my really
close friends were still in the industry, and so I

(30:10):
missed it so much at that point that I figured
I'd just dip my toe back in and maybe doing
only fans and see if anyone remembered me from way
back when. And it was incredible. They said you're a
milf now, which was news to me, and I was
not too old, it turns out, and as you know,
like this is how it works, and yeah, I was

(30:31):
welcome back with open arms, and people remembered me from
my very weird shows and I would play Godzilla and
use a hitachi. It was all wild, and now studios
were interested in booking me as the step mom or
as the you know, hot older woman next door. And
so it's been about three and a half years now
and I've just been so happy to be back.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Were you surprised when you came back? So this whole
step mom genre like didn't really exist when you'd left before.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
I'm not sure if it had, but I had only
really been working for and then I got a couple
of shoots with Brassers and Bangros and was starting to
build momentum, but those were all just kind of normal
hot girl gets fucked yeah things, So I'm not sure.
It does seem like it's blown up, which I'm grateful
for because it's a lot of the work I do.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Yeah, the stepmom, step son, step father.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Oh yeah. Genre is just is It's so creepy, and
it's fun to be creepy sometimes.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
I like it. What did you miss the most about
Born when you were gone? I missed the community. I
missed the women.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
I knew so many camgirls and other I feel like,
in kind of vanilla civilian life, a lot of women
are really ashamed of their sexuality or afraid to show it,
or insecure about their bodies. And I missed this group
of women who were so free and full of life
and excited about sex. So I missed that. I also

(31:53):
getting into real estate. It was actually kind of a
religious group, which was surprising to me and Seattle a
lot of people were very religious, and so I felt
I got really quiet because I didn't know what was
appropriate to say. After seven years of talking about dick,
you don't know what to say in a real estate office,
And so I think other people thought I was religious too,
because I was so quiet, Yeah, full because I don't

(32:16):
want to make anyone uncomfortable. Yeah yeah, but I miss
being myself.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Yeah, speaking of this is a total tangent, but I'm
always like curious about this, And just because you brought
it up, what are your views on religion? Do you
have like a spiritual side at all to you?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Actually not really. I was raised Catholic, and so whenever
I get shoots that are based around that, I have
dialogue ready to go in Bible, things ready to say
that are horrifically inappropriate. My grandmother would be rolling in
her grave. But I was raised Catholic, which I liked
the community of but I never really bought into it.
It never really made sense to me. I would say,

(32:52):
I'm probably agnostic, like there might be something, but I
don't know, right, I've never seen enough evidence of anything,
or felt enough of an anything to really subscribe to
any certain religion or belief system around that. And I
just have always just because of the way I was raised,
just being nice to people and wanting the best for people.

(33:13):
I don't feel like I need the threat of hell
to not murder, so for me personally, it's just not
something that brings me peace. I guess I don't find
it interesting.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Do you believe in any kind of like I don't know,
cosmic law of the universe, or like law of attraction
or fate or like any of that stuff. Or I
don't belong in LA because I don't. I am not
very woo woo. I'm no fun.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
Crystals just seem like rocks to me. I was on
set one time and I and it's fine. People can
believe in whatever they want to me, especially it makes
them happy. But I was on set, I was getting
my makeup done and there were these two lovely women
behind me chatting who are also part of the scene.
And one of them said, oh, my god, my dog
is in Aries, And I said, no, we're not. That's

(34:01):
too far. There has to be a line, there has
to be a lie. We can't go that far, right,
So I don't know. That's a very long winded what
are you way?

Speaker 2 (34:12):
My god?

Speaker 4 (34:12):
It doesn't matter. My personality is not based on when
my parents fucked what was happening in the sky, I
swear to God. But it's fine if believes so you're yeah,
and Aries, and that goes to show you are you?
I am Oh my gosh, I don't believe that shit either.
Oh so polite in my face, I know.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
I could see.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Only virgos don't believe in the star signs. That's why
we're the best star sign There we go.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
And I think it's a kind of a fun way
to get people talking about their personalities, you know. I
whatever makes people happy that isn't harming someone else, which
I to bring it back to kind of this industry.
I mean, we're all consenting adults, and it's bringing me
happiness in the person I'm working with and the people watching.
So I just support anything like that.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Can I ask you a question though, because and honestly, like,
I am not a star assigned person at all, by
no fucking stretch of the imagination, But I like this,
Are you organized? I am? Now, yes, okay, are you
like not like emotionally withdrawn? But are you like sometimes
sort of like methodical and your like responses and just

(35:23):
like not like not melodramatic maybe, Like I know, but
I also feel like there are lots of really positive
qualities that are like this that everyone could kind of
say they are.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I will say the parts that because I read my
horoscope in the paper, the newspaper when that was a
thing growing up, right, and it was fun to kind
of see where it matched. But I'm very sexually passionate, right,
I'm a very sexual person. I'm outgoing. That matches, sure,
I am organized. I do have my shit together. I
wasn't always this confident, Like that's kind of newer, and

(35:55):
I think that's just come with age and time and
this job. But I'm not quick to fight. I'm not
fiery that way.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Are Virgo supposed to be that?

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Aries?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I'm an aries?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Aries, So you're matching me with one that doesn't know okay,
and my points is proven.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah see, I'm okay. I thought you said you were
a Virgo.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
No Ari, Sorry, oh okay, sorry to disappoint, but I
do match you, saying, of course, so your sign's not great, well,
good thing it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
It's not. I actually don't know. I literally know nothing
about any signs except for Virgo because people tell me
about it all the time when I tell them I'm
a Virgo. But like a lot of those things like
totally do match me, and I'm always like I feel
like that's the same with everybody. That you'll have certain
traits that match you, and I think it's nice to
be able to say something quickly that people will relate

(36:43):
to and know kind of how you are. But I
just it's just like confirmation bias. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Absolutely, here for it, you'll find it.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Derek.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
What about you?

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Which part?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So? Are you religious? Do you believe in God?

Speaker 3 (36:56):
No? I am full fledged atheist. I'm not like militant,
like I'm one that, like you. If people that are religious,
by all means, go forth, do your thing, don't do
anything that's going to harm somebody else. I wasn't particularly
raised religious, which is strange because I'm from Alabama. Yeah,
I was going to say, like Hillbilly Alabama. My family

(37:17):
never really pushed it. But if you spend any time
in Alabama and you meet someone that is from there,
the first three questions they're going to ask you, one
of them is going to be which church do you
go to? Yeah? And you know, me growing up the
way I did, I never really went to church, and
I started feeling the atheism bug pretty early. So by
the time I was about twelve, I was like, no,

(37:38):
this is just not for me. It's not I also
had the people that I was surrounded by like other
my peers, they were the cruel kind of Christian. They're like,
you're different from us, You're going to hell right like
by I remember sitting in a classroom one time and
someone just like tapped me on the shoulder and I
was like, hey, what's up, and they go going to hell.

(38:01):
That was yeah. People, when I tell you people were
cruel in life, Like people were just cruel. And so
that was one of the things just because I was different,
you know, struggling with my sexuality in Alabama, being an atheist,
I dressed very grungy, you know, like heavy metal grunge
like Marilyn Manson was really big when I was younger,
So like I did that whole thing that was, oh, yeah,

(38:24):
you're going to hell because of how you look and
what you like. So that turned me off from religion, yeah,
even more.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
And probably especially too when you like came to terms
with the fact that you're gay in the way that
a lot of religions perceive being gay as yeah, which
is like crazy.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah. So it's strangely enough, my family was very supportive
about me being gay. My my true friends are like
what I considered at the time, my true friends. They
were like, oh, yeah, we know.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I've had a couple of friends like yeah who came
out to me And I was like, yeah, dude, we
all we were just waiting for you to them around.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah, you're like peeking in the closet like you're ready yet.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
I didn't know, but everyone else did.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
You were horny, you had you had the veil. The
horny veil was on. And as far as astrology or
any cosmic thing, now, I it's fun, like what you
were saying, it's very fun. It's very cool to talk about.
But like, I do not feel it describes me at all.
Can you guess what sin I am?

Speaker 2 (39:26):
No, because again I don't know anything about signs except
for Burgo. That's the only one I know. I don't
know any of the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
One of the things. So I'm one of the two
signs that gets the most hate, okay, And that's why
I've always kind of been like, well, this just to
me is bullshit. Then yeah, I'm a Gemini.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Okay, are you guys just be two faced or something?

Speaker 3 (39:45):
See?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, I know that I know that.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Both both of my both sides of me are wonderful,
A strong jaw that's what it is. Yeah, So Scorpios
and Gemini is get the most hate, and people have
actually said, oh, I could never be a friend or
a date a Gemini, and I'm just kind of like, Okay,
that lets me know I don't want to be with
you or be around you.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, I mean the idea that somebody could like write
you off over something that's just.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yeah when I was born. Yeah, I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of a weird form of discrimination. Yeah,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Yeah, it's it's odd. And I've I've had that as
well of you know, people just being like ooh, yeah,
you're a Gemini.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
So, Derek, what would you say are the two biggest
differences between the straight and gay sides of the industry
because they're pretty segregated. Like like I sadly like know
almost nothing about the gay side, like working on the
straight side.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
I didn't before meeting him. Yeah, no idea.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
And I you know, I've been like I said before,
I've been in the industry for a long time, and
you know, things have only changed now in a way
where there's some blending and even like acceptance from the
straight side of the gay side, like because before or
like if you were a male performer and you ever
did gay porn, if you tried to work in straight porn,
it was like yeah, like they were very very judgmental

(41:10):
and very like you were ostracized and you were you know,
considered unsafe and like it was pretty bad. Yeah, So
what's been your experience?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Mine has at least I have not experienced it if
there's been any negative to it, but mine's been nothing
but positive. Yeah, I've I also have Sophia to think,
and I owe a huge amount of my success to her,
oh really on the on the straight side, as well
as some of the trands and buy stuff, Like without her,

(41:43):
I would have wandered into a minefield and probably made
a lot of mistakes, Okay, And so you know, having her,
she's helped me navigate it a lot better because one
of the big differences on the gay side is like
when it comes to gay men, we are naturally just

(42:03):
very horny, very like no inhibitions of anything like. So
if one of the ways that gays will be able
to tell if you're interested is if they look at
you for longer than three seconds, it's.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
On like it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
It's a thing, and so like that is not a
thing on the straight side, not at all. So gays
can definitely be a lot more.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
That's a good word actually forward.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Forward, Yeah, yes, like dms that I've gotten can be
full of like are you like you want to fuck soon?
Do you want to? Like? Oh I would love to
do this. I would love to do this, And that
would be the first message that they said. Yeah, and thankfully,
Sophia let me know be like, don't do.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
That, Oh God, don't do that that. Women want to
be approached with the kind of professional side to it, Yes, right,
you want you want to be seen even though we
all know what you're saying and we all know it's banging,
we want it to be seen as you know, here's
what I can offer as a collaborator, because we do
have lots of options in our dms, and someone who
comes at us that in a way that feels respectful

(43:09):
and not horny first but more business first will be
seen as like a better option. And so I was like,
oh God, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
I think also too, like one thing that women really
have to guard that like men don't have to think
about unfortunately, is like there's safety too, you know, and
if you come across too aggressive then that that's a
little scary.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Absolutely, yeah. I mean we're meeting we're meeting people in
their homes or you know, places like that, one on one,
and and there are a lot of It's really nice
because within the female community we have groups saying who's
you know, safe or not safe for what your experiences
are with people, because there are a lot of unsafe men,

(43:50):
especially on the collaborator creator side, because there's no oversight
with testing or you know, a director making sure or
an agent you know, vouching for someone can be kind
of scary. And so it putting your best foot forward
and showing that you're safe and respectful right off the
bat can get you pretty far.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
I think, yeah, and it has. And I think the
another thing is obviously pay. On the gay side, we
do make more per scene, yeah, but there's a caveat
to that. There's or there's a you know, an aside
to that is on the gay side, I make more
per scene, but there's not as much work because the

(44:31):
gay side is a fraction of what is in the
straight side. Like straight side is say behemoth of life.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Well, I mean just statistically, there's more straight men than
gay men right weight, So there's like a larger audience just.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Yes, exactly, more and more people willing to pay or
straight porn than for gay porn. So there's not as
much work on the gay side, But so on the
straight side, I make less per scene, but I'm working constantly,
Like I did just this past week. I had six
scenes and it was That's why I was saying America's stepdad,
because I was a stepdad twice in two of those scenes.

(45:06):
And so yeah, there's I make less per scene, but
I have more work. So it's it's for me. It
balances out.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
He mean, you haven't had any issues where you know,
the performer like discovered that you did cape porn and
then them and was like, no, I don't want to
work with him.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
No, No, that's great. No. And I because what you
were talking about, you know what, ten fifteen years ago,
it was definitely like a oh no, you're not there.
There was a reason. I mean, it was the HIV epidemic,
AIDS epidemic. It was a thing. I mean, in my
beginning discovering my sexuality, I was afraid to have sex.

(45:43):
It's for us, It was a death sentence, and so
I kept from exploring a lot of myself because I
was afraid. But now with the advent of testing how
it is, and I'm also on what's called pre exposure
Prophylaxis or PREP. It is a it's a mirror drug.
It is a miracle pill that I take daily that
keeps me HIV negative. Like, so, if I come into

(46:06):
contact with someone that is HIV positive and not maintaining
their level of infection, every load l viral load. I
hate what they call it, that you love loads, not
that load though, yeah, yeah, so if they're not, like,
at least you're protecting yourself right from contracting HIV if

(46:27):
you come into contact with it.

Speaker 4 (46:28):
And it's also i mean they're still doing studies on it,
but it is safe for women. And so I'm on
PREP and I have been for over a year because
I like to be completely in control of my health, right.
I mean, of course, being in this industry, there's going
to be some risk when you're you know, being that
physically intimate with so many people. But I'm testing every
two weeks or less, and then also being on PREP

(46:48):
means that I basically can't contract HIV if I were
to run into it. And so that makes me feel
safe about whoever I work with because I'm the one
who's in control of it. I'm not relying on them
to take a pill every day or for them not
to do something outside of the industry that's unsafe with
you know, male, female, any whatever, gay doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
So it's so crazy, like how just the way that
it has changed with HIV. So you know, I remember,
you know, I mean, I grew up around the industry
and my parents were shooting movies when HIV, like it
first entered into like the world, right, And that's actually
what stopped my mom from shooting movies because she, you know,

(47:29):
it was very scary. And my parents were one of
the first only people who were trying to test performers,
and we had a blood truck outside of our home.
I remember this as a kid, and they would have
performers come out and test. But the problem is is that,
you know, it would take two weeks to get results
back through and then like who knows what you do

(47:51):
in that time period, and so like, you know, after
a while, they just felt like incredibly nervous and it
just felt really unsafe. So they stopped shooting movies and
at the time, you know, magazines were super lucrative and
at the time, you actually didn't shoot penetration for magazines.
It was all the like, you know, pose next to
a vagina with like a semilimp dick, so like you know,

(48:12):
she could like shoot that and she didn't have to
shoot movies and she could so that didn't have to Yeah. So,
but they stopped shooting movies back like in the late seventies,
like early eighties because of that. Yeah, it's pretty and
now like here we are where you can take medicine
to literally prevent yourself from even getting it if you
come in contact with somebody. It's nuts.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
And so I think that's another thing that is helpful
is that I'm you know, I mayhi be negative and
I will let anyone know. I'm like, I'm on this
medication that will keep me this way, like no matter
what happens. Yeah, And so I think that's it. It's
it you know, makes people realize you're safe, healthy, like
I'm not going to have my health compromised because of
what you do on the side kind of thing. Yeah. So,

(48:58):
but I I really haven't experienced any difficulty getting work
on the straight side. It's been great.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
The landscape has changed so much, it's really great.

Speaker 3 (49:09):
I also attributed to my professionalism and what she's talking.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I was trying to his awards, you know.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
Yeah, it's been really fun to share what I've learned
of course too. But I wouldn't recommend him, or I wouldn't,
you know, be so adamant about making sure he knows
all the things that I know if he didn't show
up and do the job and was reliable and like,
I'm I'm happy to be able to help in any
way that I can.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
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(50:08):
talk about vaginal discharge. Hi, all right, I'm ready hit me.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
So I feel pretty strongly about this because I noticed
getting onto sets that there were there was kind of
an unspoken expectation of douching right, which is you know,
filling your vagina typically with water and getting out whatever's
in there. And this came as a surprise to me
because after camming for seven years and using dildos and

(50:37):
not really thinking about what that meant, that you had
your naturally occurring discharge, you know, like that white kind
of creamy fluid for anyone who doesn't know. It was
surprising to me that there was an expectation to not
show that on camera, right, because ever since puberty, that
was a daily occurrence for me, right, and something that's

(50:57):
natural and healthy basically for for women to have. It
concerns me a little bit that we're putting out this
product that when people go and have sex in real life,
if they see this, they might think that there's something
wrong possibly, And I know that there are some like
credit card company processing issues where they see it the

(51:18):
same as period blood or feces or sometimes squirt where
they don't want to see that. And I just want
to say that it's a normal thing, and it changes
throughout your menstrual cycle, and you can tell that if
it's a clear consistency and stretchy that means you're ovulating
or you know, at the beginning or the end of
your menstrual cycle. It's a little bit thicker and white,

(51:39):
and so it's just what a vagina naturally does. And
so it's just my PSA because I've even heard it
from male performers, some of the younger ones. If they
see that on set, they're surprised to and then they
think that there's something wrong. Yeah, there's an infection. And
obviously if there's like a smell or something like that,
there's something wrong. And we have to be careful with

(51:59):
our phlece because of how much we have sex. Yeah,
but I'd love to just have like a wider understanding
of how female bodies work and how that's just like
a natural part of it.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It's interesting. I remember I was shooting this girl once
and her fans were really into like creamy it's like scenes,
and I remember she like, actually, I was a little
bit shocked by this because I thought, this is not
good for your vagina. She put like hand lotion oh
up her vagina. Because we were in Vegas, it was
a vin and I was shooting content stuff like in

(52:33):
trade in my bedroom in my suite, and and she'd
like didn't have anything else around She's like, oh, let
me use this, and she like shoved it up her
vagina in size yes no, and then like put in
the dilda.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
And I was like, oh, that's not good anything from
the outside. It's a self cleaning mechanis, yeah, and juicing
itself is not.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Like it was for show. And I was like, but anyways,
So after that, and so she explained to me that
like her fans were really into that, because before I
had always you know, told like told girls if it
was there, to wipe it away. And then after that
I realized, I'm like, okay, some people like that, and
so if I saw it, I would stop and I

(53:16):
would tell the girl, but I would ask her, I'm like,
do you want because some girls want to show that, right,
because like, like you said, it's a natural thing. Some
fans like it, and then other girls don't want to
show that, and they'd be mortified of it and tell
them right. So I would always kind of be like,
I love that approach.

Speaker 4 (53:33):
And what I say is, you know, my pussy doesn't
really love douching. My pH doesn't like that. If it's
naturally a little creamy during the stills or whatever, I'm
happy to wipe it off if that's something that the
site doesn't want, or the guy doesn't want, or the
girl sharing the dick doesn't want. I also want to
respect to other people's like comfort levels with fluids. Yeah, yeah,
of course, but just the general idea that I mean,

(53:55):
I've seen girls kind of go to panic douche because
they're so worried about, you know, someone thinking that there's
something wrong with them, if that's happening, and I would
love to see less of that.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say. And I'm a gay
dude and working on the straight side. I'm like, you
know your body better than I do. I'm like, I'm
whatever is happening, I'm good, So like step your game
up straight dudes.

Speaker 4 (54:20):
He'll he'll take out makeup sponges for appearance for girls.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I mean he is, Yeah, sometimes you gotta do that,
you know, Yes, you got to help the girl and
sometimes like it's you know, the male performer, it is
a courtesy to help them with that. And sometimes if
they won't do that. I've had to do that for girls. Yeah,
you know, I'm definitely like, sometimes you push it way
the fuck up there.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I have been squatting, crying, in my bathtub. I with
like this thing we're doing this, it is not cute.
So it's always it gives me like a little plus
one for any guy that's comfortable enough with women's bodies
to just reach right in there and help.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It's like, hey, you put your dick up there, you
can put your hand up.

Speaker 4 (54:56):
Yeah, come on, you'll put your fingers in there earlier.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Just seeze a little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
Yeah. I was on a set with a girl that
she she started as we were filming. She started her
period as we were filming, and I was like, I'm good, Like,
don't be upset, don't be She got a sponge and
I let her know. I was like, I hope this
isn't too forward, but if you need me to fish
it out of there, I'm here for you. I'm here
because I knew she had told me about this, and

(55:19):
I was like, I knew, and I'm I think. I
guess that's another thing about being on the straight side
is that you know it's it's all about the women
illustrates it as it should be, and so as a guy,
I'm kind of like, hey, I'm here to do whatever
I can to help you out and like make sure
that this is a great show for everybody like I'm

(55:39):
I'm I'm pole. I understand that I'm just the pole
face unless it's VR that is just a pretty dick.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Do you guys have any like crazy wild onset bts stories.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Speaking of penises, I did which we love to talk about.
I did the site Futinari. This one, you know, isn't that.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
Where they like fill fake penis with fake coum and
it's a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
Yes, it's part of it. I guess part of the
fetish is is that it is a cisgendered woman who
grows a penis, and so they do that. They have
like a little balloon that they blow into that you know,
shows and the insert shot that.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Like it's growing, right, okay. And then.

Speaker 4 (56:32):
This site had a full almost like biker shorts apparatus
that you put on that had a penis and so
that way it went all the way up to your
rib cage and then the pants part went down your
thigh and so if you lifted your shirt, it looked
like the penis was definitely still attached to you. Within
that there was a syringe with a tube or tube

(56:55):
bleeding to a syringe and then the director, Ricky Greenwood,
in this case, was on the ground pumping Fate come
through the tube with my fake dick and I'm and
it's all over. Sweet Jesel Blanco. She was such a
trooper and she.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Is such a true I just want to put that
girl through a lot. She's always like her, She's always
she was.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
So into it. It was great, just hovered in fate.
Com So part of it is that someone grows a penis,
and that it's a lot, a lot, a lot of
com like fake Come. And I've done a lot of
strapping like, I've done a lot of strap on scenes,
and I've never felt the way I felt when putting
on this bicycle shorts penis. I had the confidence of
every mediocre man. I was sexually harassing every man on

(57:37):
that set. Everyone wanted to get away from me and
my giant dog. It was fantastic. I understood. I finally understood.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
It felt like a man man.

Speaker 4 (57:48):
It was. It was fantastic. So that one was a
weird and fun one. Oh my god, that's so good.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Yeah, Derek, what about you?

Speaker 3 (57:56):
The one that comes to mind for me was just
an onset kind of not really a mishap, but just
it just happened. We were filming a fisting movie. It
was called When Push Comes to Shove.

Speaker 4 (58:08):
Of course, so good.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
We were The location that we were at was the
producer's house, and he had trained his like his echo
or whatever it is, like his you know, AI assistant
or whatever that if he's coughing or like clearing his
throat a lot, he's trained it to say, drink some water,
you thirsty bitch. It's fantastic. And so we get to

(58:36):
filming and I am throat fucking this guy, like going
to town on him, and so you hear just like that.
We're in the middle of filming and that thing pops
off and says, drink some water, you thirsty bitch. You know, me,
being the consummate professional I am, I'm like, I'm gonna

(58:57):
keep going. I did not just that, like, but everybody
just on set heard it, and eventually, like within five seconds,
we were all in tears laughing, and we was like, cut, cut,
we can't do this. And so in the middle of
that a little mishap that happens on set, but it
was perfect.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Wow, it sounds like you need to rename the.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
Movie Thirsty bitch.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Oh my god, that's so good. So, Sophia, you're really
into BDSM and kink, like you mentioned before. What draws
you to those kinds of scenes?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
I kind of at my core as an aries, I'm
very wait I thought you were a pergo. Yeah, thank you.
I am very thrill seeking. I think I have high testosterone.
I have a really high sex drive. And that's manifested itself.

(59:53):
Like that thrill seeking behavior as manifested itself in basically
finding things that will spike my adrenaline. Right, So the
things like BDSM and fear play or you know, feeling
helpless or really succumbing to someone else being in control,
that's what draws me to it basically. And so I'm

(01:00:14):
coming up on nine years of no drinking, right and
I used to congratulation.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I'm coming up on seven.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Oh my gosh, congratulations. That's amazing. Yeah, it's changed my
life for the better in all ways basically. And I
had found that when I was in my early twenties,
I would do kind of anything to feel that thrill, right,
And so that was maybe partying and drinking and let's
se where the night takes me, or like sex or
those kind of things, basically, and so through BDSM and

(01:00:42):
through POORN, I feel like I've channeled that desire, Like
my life would be so boring if I didn't have
something to get me going that way. And yeah, now
now I have this outlet that feels like a good
professional way to do it. And every so often I
still do BDSM shoots. I'll probably do one or two
with Kink a month at this point, so I get

(01:01:03):
to let it out sometimes. But as I've gotten older
and I've experienced more and I've gotten more in control
of my life, I enjoy BDSM for the ability to
blank out for a second, to be completely present, because
that's so difficult for me because even with shooting, you
have a million things going on in your head that

(01:01:24):
you're tracking and you're paying attention to and you're in
control of. And so this way, if someone can overwhelm
me or you know, spike my adrenaline enough that I
actually kind of check out for just a second, it's bliss.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, because that was one thing that alcohol was helpful with,
isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
I mean alcohol for me was never an escape luckily,
Like I didn't really struggle with anything where drugs or
alcohol was escapism for me. It was this seems fun,
and let's keep doing it. So at least this way
I could make money at the thing where this thing,
this seems fun, Let's keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Yea, yeah, for a career. So you also did a
huge boukcocky scene in Madrid, which is so funny. I've
been hearing about this boucocky pretty t avaganza in Madrid
from several people that I've had on lately.

Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Yes, you talked with Sadie Summers about it, had told
her about it. I've been sending Americans to them because
it was the most organized, fantastic experience top two scene.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Yeah, So how did that go?

Speaker 4 (01:02:27):
I just drowned and come, you know, I mean a
typical Tuesday. No, it was. It was incredible. It was
so well organized. I didn't know what to expect because
I was told about it. I was already in Europe,
and so I figured I just, you know, hop on
over and the director, the director I've over. You know,

(01:02:48):
it's the best life ever. I tried to tell you.
I met with the director the night before and we
went to dinner and he kind of told me how
it worked. And explained that everyone was tested and showed
me the excel sp red sheets of how they organize
all of it. They have guys, so they have a
roster of three hundred in Madrid and they're all referral base.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It's so great. Three hundred testagies guys.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
And they're referral base, so it's not just guys off
the street, right, right. And what he said to me was,
so they're not necessarily models, but they're not monsters. So
that was a nice way to describe. Everyone is very normal, right,
They're very like normal guys. And they have a testing
facility down the street that gets your test back in
six hours.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Do those people make bank on those days?

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
Incredible? Right, everyone gets paid. There are nine fluffers at
least for my shoot with eighty men that showed up
for that day, because they shoot twice a week, there
were eighty men. There were nine fluffers, these wonderful Columbian
women who come. It so busy, yes, so busy, but
it was so organized. They lined up in front of
the fluffers while watching my porn on the TV, and

(01:03:53):
I just stood off to the side in my green
room because the fluffers had their own green room with
candy and pink furniture they imported, and so they all
stood in front of the fluffers and the women sat
in a chair and you know, bleue each guy with
a baby wipe in between, like just and it was
like a machine, so that by the time I was
ready to be called up, they were all ready for me.

(01:04:16):
I didn't wait for a single cum shot. It was
incredibly organized. They had a speech beforehand. I had three
different medications. They gave me some mighty tell me you
wouldn't hurt too much, yes, because it was I didn't
know that it originally. I wasn't aware that it was
mostly swallowing. I thought it was being covered in it.
And they typically only do about five facials at the end,

(01:04:36):
and I asked for more, so they gave me ten
at the end. After I swallowed. Guys came multiple times,
so I swallowed one hundred and twenty two loads and
then took ten to them because they have someone there
with a clicker, right, Not well, the clicker happens after
like that. They put it on the screen later. But
the first the first shift, I love my left so much.

(01:04:58):
The first shift is fifty comshots so you take ten well,
you do an eight to ten minute blow bang, and
then you do you do one at a time, you
hold it in your mouth for ten shots or ten loads,
and and then you look at the camera and you swallow,
and then you do ten more and then you look
at the camera and you swallow. And I wasn't sure
how I'd feel about it because during that meeting with
the director of the night before, we tried to figure

(01:05:18):
out about how many like how much that would be
in like MILLI leaders of come if we did that,
And it was a little bit under a leader of
com that I swallowed approximately, you know, and you can't
be super accurate. And then he showed me pictures of
his cat on a boat, so we were besties. It's fantastic,
but it was it's a ton of coum. And I

(01:05:39):
wasn't sure how I was going to feel about it
because I love come, sure, but I'm kind of a
like I'm a farmed table sort of girl comes to come,
like I want it straight from the source, non GMO.

Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
What I guess it's the title of the episode, Farm
the Table Come.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Farm to Table Come. So there's like a literally there's
a bowl involved you hold a bowl underneath and whatever,
whatever doesn't whatever doesn't get in your mouth. Sorry, one
of the Columbian girls was a scooper, and so I
was on my knees with a blunder my under my
mouth and whatever doesn't get in your mouth goes in

(01:06:15):
the bowl and you drink it after right, And so
that's why I was worried, and I was worried about
swallowing that much. But the first the first ten shots
and then the bowl after the fifty, I was feral.
It was so much fun I had. I was in
totally dialed in. The adrenaline was sky high. And then
you do an interview. After the fifty, you come back,
and then you do whatever else they can do, right,

(01:06:35):
And so that was the the other So you gotta
do at least fifty, at least fifty and then whatever
else they have left, right, And so that was the
rest of the one twenty two, and then they did
the ten to the face and it was a delight am.
I tummy was okay until later on that night a
little bit that was it was a little upset, but
I didn't throw up. They say about forty percent of
the girls throw up yeah, but I was just just

(01:06:58):
delighted to be there. It was such like a just
a crazy story for the Rocking Chair when I'm old,
right or they.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I kind of want to come and like shoot a
documentary on this. Oh, this is like so interesting, like
the organized, like the green room and like the nine Fluffers,
and like the candy and like You're porn and like
the clicker and like the bowl and.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
The Scooper Scooper. I was almost more turned on by
the organization, and I was and I was the cop. Yeah,
it was really really well organized, and so I yeah,
I was. I was impressed by the whole production.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Fun little side note. We send voice notes to each
other pretty much every day, Yeah, roughly what two minutes regularly.
She sent me a voice note after that, and it
was ten minutes long, gushing at like what had just
happened to her. She was and like the light. The
sound in her voice was one of I am the

(01:07:54):
happiest I have been so long.

Speaker 4 (01:07:57):
I'm where I belong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
Yeah, was I remember that very much.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
So it is really fun because I get voice notes
from him, especially after like really like when he when
he feels really good about a scene and like is
exhilarated by it, and so I get these voice notes.
I also get ones where he's in another country and
he's telling me all like the dirty things that have
happened like that day too. It's a really lovely friendship
where you can say, like there was this much cum

(01:08:25):
I'm happy for you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
I just like, I just feel like this is a
movie and it's Bucacki and Madrid. Yep, that's the title,
and there's just like flowers. Yeah, you know, I see
the opening sequence and there's like music, and you're a visionary,
I see it. Would you ever do something like that?

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
I would have no hesitation.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
The Yeah, no, I would. I'm I'm also a big
like my thing is balls, Like I love a nice
big pair of balls. And like there's also a I
tune into like there's come.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Right from Yeah, that's where they come from.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
Yeah, And so I'm I would absolutely do it as well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
Interesting, right, I don't know. I feel like there's a
challenge afoot oh a come challenge that's delightful of us.

Speaker 3 (01:09:17):
Are there are enough men?

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
That's going to be the issue. It's going to be
the amount of men that are capable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Oh my God. All right, I got one more question
for you, Derek, and then we do have some Patreon questions,
which we will do in a separate segment. So, Derek,
you have a distinctly deep voice, and based on some
YouTube comments, people are very into it. Would you ever
lean into that and do like audio based porn? Did
you like ASMR ever or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:44):
I honestly feel like I should.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Oh, I think you.

Speaker 3 (01:09:47):
I think that I could make quite a living off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Of doing that would be a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
I've actually been taking voice acting classes as well, for
like audio books. I had a podcast for a minute,
but then I just kind of I got too busy,
and I'm like, I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Can it takes. It's a commitment.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
It is a commitment that I don't have the time for.
But no, I've I've had this voice since I was eleven,
Literally this voice, this voice. That was another reason I
got the like you're going to hell because people thought
I had it was possessed or people thought that I
had some sort of thing wrong with me because my
voice was so deep. And now I'm like, jokes on them,
you know, but.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
It was, I swear to God, an eleven year old
boy walked up to me and talked the way you did.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
It be like see, yeah, people are just like, what
is happening here? Yeah, So you know, I've I've learned
to real I've realized that, oh, this is a huge
advantage for me to have this voice. And yeah, I'm
taking voice acting classes and I think eventually down the
road once my on camera performances are you know, going

(01:10:50):
by the wayside of voice acting is definitely something I
would like to do.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Yeah, I think you definitely could excel at that. Thank you, well,
Thank you guys so much. This has been so much fun.
Oh my god, I feel like we could go on
and on and on, but uh yeah, we still got
we got more questions for you for like I said
for the Patreon segment. In the meantime, can you guys
tell everyone where they can find you online? Sophia you
want to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:12):
Start, sure, you can find me on x formerly known
as Twitter, at Underscore, Sophia Lack Underscore. My only fans
is the Sophia Lock and then my other social media
is Underscore, Sophia Lock, Underscore, so TikTok and Instagram.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
And at Sophia Luck with It e A. L. S
K okay, and then Derek, how about you.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
You can find all of my stuff at Derekcage dot com.
D E R E K K A g EJ. Got
to add a little flair in there. Yeah, Derek Caage
dot com has all of my thinks and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
And then you guys can find all of my links
at hollylinks dot com. Of course, go to Patreon dot
com slash Holly Randall and altered to watch these interviews
streamed live, get access to the bonus Q and A
that we're about to do, and so much more. Thank
you guys so much for tuning in, and I will
see you on the next one.