The Dirtiest Mind in Porn? Inside the Twisted Brilliance of Jonni Darkko

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Speaker 1 (00:54):
St Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Holly Randall Unfiltered. My
guest today is an industry legend, aban Hall of Fame
director and Flashbot's twenty twenty three Best Director of the Year.
He has directed for Evil Angel for over twenty years,

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where he has helped define the gonzo genre. We're going
to dive into his career, his wild onset stories, and
what he sees in the adult industry's future. It is
also his birthday week and it was my birthday about
a week and a half ago. So we're going to
celebrate with a mutual cake for the one and only

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Johnny Dark.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Oh, thank you, Holly Randall, Welcome, Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you and you
and you. Happy birthday to me and you, Happy.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Birth you and you. Holly.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Wow, this sounds really bad.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
You blow it out. It's gonna look way better if
I do it. It's gonna be like, eh, yeah, there
you go.

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Yay.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Cake, ice cream and cake and cake, ice cream and
cake and cake. Remember that ad ice cream and cake
and cake, No. Thirty one flavors they used to make
these cakes and pushing ice cream and cake and cake.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I remember thirty one flavors because it was.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Kind of it was almost like the Quiznos subs thing.
It was really off putting.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
What was wasn't it?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Didn't they turn the sub into like a person with eyes?

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah? It was really off putting. And then the company
went under like no wonder it was super off.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
But subway they talked about six inch long. Yeah, subways
they survived.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
And they survived. Yeah they survived all that other crazy
Jared right, Yes, he's still in prison. Oh I forgot
about that, right, I mean, no, wonder why his pants
were so big.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, you're trying to fit kids in them.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Oh my god. There's no better way to start off
a foreign podcast than to talk.

Speaker 4 (03:08):
About we started.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
We've started. Oh, yes, we've started. This is very casual again,
and by casual I mean totally unprofessional. So it's good
to see you.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It's great to see you as well.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
So we were just talking before we started that it's
been like fifteen years since we've seen it.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
I'm thinking a minimum, Wow, it's probably around that time.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, And the last time we saw each other, I
was dating Troy who worked at ABN.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I think it was pornst karaoke. The only time I went,
I think I saw you. I never went again. I'm like,
this is so yeah. No, I didn't even go inside.
I was like, I refuse to outside was too much?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Was I might have? I wasn't dating Luke when I
went to know you.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Were with Troy because Ashley was really good friends with him.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah, they were good friends.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
That's that's how we.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Met, right right, porn star karaoke. So for those of
you who don't know, there used to be this bar
that had karaoke that I don't know everyone in the
adult not everyone in the adult industry more like Sea
level porn win to Yeah, and uh, but you know

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it was it was fun and people will go and
drink and sing karaoke. And when was it Sunday nights?

Speaker 3 (04:31):
I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't remember either. Yeah, I was drinking a lot then,
so I don't really remember drink at much either.

Speaker 3 (04:39):
All the time.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, like we have so much.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Common but look at we're so together, my god, to
get it together. Yeah. So, actually Blue, there's a lot
of people who watch the show who don't know a
lot of like the history and and people who were
such names back in the day. So actually Blue was

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you know, a megastar back fifteen.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
So she killed everything, she touched, anything she did. She
was voracious in her attack.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
So tell tell our audience a little bit about actually Blue,
Like who was she? And how did you guys start dating?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
That's a weird story. God, that's a super weird story.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Got Cake.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
I don't even know if I can tell it. It's
so weird. I don't even know if I can tell it.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, Well, tell as much as you can just leave
out what you.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Oh yeah, we got some stuff survey. Okay, this cake,
it's a Gelson's cake, and does that mean it's bad?
It's retarded?

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Like, like good, I'll just get.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
This for fun, just because the filling is so unbelievably delicious.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Okay, if I get this on me, oh well, okay,
the first time you're covered in white substances.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah right, indeed, Well it's usually on somebody else.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
But have you ever been hit though?

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Yeah, of course it doesn't evade me. No, I'm like, dude, whatever, guys,
I've seen guys jump back and I'm like, dude, it's
not acid, but then you in the shot totally. Guys
shipped so many times. I'm like, dude, stop, you grow
up a little bit, you know, and go wipe it
off your leg or your hand and feed it to
the whore, you know, like Jesus, come on, stay in character.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Never getting one?

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Yeah, sorry, yeah, this is this one's not going to
be your normal.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
No, no, sorry, it's just there's no way to get
around it.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
That's that's good. It's gonna be good though. Okay, So
actually Blue, tell us about Ashley Blue.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
She was really fun. We had a lot of fun.
We traveled a bit, she loved fine dining. We did
had some fun stuff, but we also did a lot
of bad things. But at her career point in her career,
she was full on, like she was doing DPS and
aintal every day, like she was going she worked constantly,

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and our off stage life was it was kind of glamorous,
but that in a CD.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
We did a lot of bad things, but it was
I mean, I had fun with it.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
So she was the one who like invention.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
She was the one who gave me a title, the
Wet Food the Blowbang series. She's like, we were watching
like a cat commercial.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
Or something on TV.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
She goes, why don't you call it a blowbang movie
wet Food. I'm like, that's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Well, she also came up with the girl vert yeah,
which was also a great title. And wasn't she the
one that invented the reverse gang Bang?

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I can't quote that. I don't know. Maybe I wouldn't
be surprised. She was really intelligent, super smart girl. I
know she has nothing but shit for me to say
or say about me, but I have I'm not going
to sit there and cast a spurg she was fun.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
I had a lot of good good times there.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Maybe it wasn't the reverse gang bang, it was the
all girl gang bang.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, the girlvert thing was on its own, one of
the most insane concepts because she was just she wanted
to run those girls into the ground. Yeah, and she did.
And Jim of course, Jim Lane's going to be like, well, yeah,
you know, of course, let's go crazy. You want to
put her in toilet? Well, yes, you want to write
content on her forehead?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sorry Jesus, No, it's fine, We're just gonna go so.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, So the girlverth thing was crazy. I give her
mad props for that because she she has a mind
for production and she she had concepts and ideas that
were cool.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
What's it like to date in the porn industry? Like,
have you regularly dated girls in the porn industry?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Or a couple?

Speaker 4 (08:22):
And then you know some of my ex girlfriends, I'm
sure I do.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Uh, let's see Juliette Carriaga remember her penos pet Oh
my gosh, yeah, I'm like wait, wait, wait, wait, thought
she was beautiful. God, I just make her walk around
the house with her top off.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
She had like she was so beautiful.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Yeah, then I for a hot second, ri Giovanni was like, am.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I Oh yeah she was awesome? Well, you know who
were roommates.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
Absolutely love her? No, I didn't know that. Maybe I did,
but like my memory from that era.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
Is kind of dodgy. Uh, but yeah, what is it?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Like? It's like insanity, Like.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Do you think it's better to date someone outside the
industry or in the industry? And is it hard to
date girls outside the industry because of what you do?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think it's both tough. No, there's no way of
getting around it unless you're with somebody who just totally
doesn't care. Because in a minute, you start caring. Then
you start you know, you have feelings, and as soon
as those feelings get in the way of if this
person works more than you and you work, you know,
like there's all that thing going on, what are you

(09:32):
doing today? You know, who's it with? And all this shit,
and then you know, as soon as they want to
weaponize that, it turns into a shit show.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yeah, like it's like, oh, here we go, you know.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And then if girls have problem with other girls that
you're shooting.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Oh my god, yeah, everything's Yeah, there's like too many
checklist kind of thing. It's kind of us. It doesn't
matter business or non business, it's all the same, you know,
And guys are worse than women, so like I can't
I can't sit there and say, like, I know guys
in this business that are worse than.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Women, but you're not performing.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
I still do Oh okay, yeah I'm still doing it.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
So that adds a little extra.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
Yeah you know, I'm still still doing it. But it's work,
you know, Like that's a whole learn things like I'm
not doing it because I'm I want to have sex
with that person. I'm doing it because it works, you know,
like I know who and what I'm working with and
what I'm doing. It's very professional. I have a lighting guy,
I have an assistant, have a camera guy. Like I'm
not doing anything off camera right, Like I'm not pretending

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to be their boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I'm just like it's work.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
And when you look at it that way and can
have a civilized thought about it, and it's not so bad.
You know, I'm not using it as a dating thing,
like fuck that I could care less.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
I think unless you're in the industry, it's kind of
almost impossible to tell how you can separate sex from intimacy.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
The difference is is like the cross you know, like
when you have intimacy and then you have connection, you
build a bond, you know, so like and now you're
just doing intimacy and not you know, the bonding part
isn't coming together. I don't know some guys. Some guys
definitely have issues with it because they they are younger,

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so they're not as you know, like I've been through
the ring or right. You know, I don't do it
any I'm chase pussy. I don't give it, you know,
I don't care. But like younger guys, you know, sex addicts,
sex addiction, whatever, I get it. I always one, you know,
I get it. I was weird. The porn industry straightened
me out because that was way more sexual before porn.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
How do you think that that worked? I had fun,
but like how did it straighten you out? Because people I.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
Got more clinical with it and I got more desire,
became a different input, you know, like I was definitely
my whole thing that before that was like going out
meeting people and you know, getting down. It's like I
work with you. It's like, you know, it's almost like
a sister. Like there's certain people in this business they're

(12:05):
like sisters. Yeah, Like Angela is like my sister. I've
worked with her a bunch, but it's super pro and
we laugh and joke around. It's different, you know. Yeah,
but that's pretty rare.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Right to have. I mean I've always felt and I
think everybody who's been in the adult industry for a
long time has said that, Like it really does feel
like a family.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Yeah, We're one big incestuous family, you know, like everyone's
fucked everyone ton days a Sunday, like it's fucking insane.

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let's dive into your origin story. So you start out
in Chicago as a commercial and fashion photographer. What made
you pivot into adults.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
I had a friend that I knew that I stayed
at our house when I moved here. She lived in
Canoga Park and she was in the business, like in
the eighties. That's how I met her. She worked for Caballero.
Back in the eighties, I used to manage a video
store and I'd buy a bunch of porn. That's when
studios would contact you directly. Yeah, and they'd be like, Hey,
how much of this you know? Fuck me and the
ass twenty five do you want? You know? And I

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knew the clients that were coming into the video store
and I knew what they liked, so I really, you know,
locked it in. So anyway, I ended up meeting her
coming out here for an x r CEO. I think
I came out here for an XRCO. I think I
was twenty four.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
XRCO is one of the oldest.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's like Boogie Knights. It's the Boogie Nights. The thing
that goes at ward show is exactly what it was
like back then. Yeah, they nailed it. Yeah, I mean yeah,
it was crazy. So I went to x ORCO with
this girl I'll leave her name out probably, but she
picked me up at the airport and her t top
vet and you know, party and the whole nine yards.
And then I went to XRCO met this unbelievable hot girl.

(15:01):
Her name was Crysta Lane at the time, and we
just connected. So every time she'd win an award, she'd
come jump in my arms and kiss me. And then
we went to a party after that and I met
John Leslie and Joey silvera mind blow. Yeah, they were
so unbelievably cool. So yeah, that was my first dabble,

(15:21):
and then it took me. You know, I came on
here in ninety six, I think ninety seven. Anyway, did
that answer your question? Yeah, you got me rambling and
I'm such a rambler.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
No, you're good, So I mean you So, how did
you get the transfer?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Oh? Yeah, yeah, okay. So I'm standing at this girl's
house and I'm contacting legitimate photographers outside of the industry
because I'm like, I want to go to work at
like a nice studio, Like I want to go work
with her Brits. Like I was ready to move into
that kind of first assistant for some of the Ralston
you know, like I wanted to go do something, and

(15:56):
it was just a tough thing to break into. And
after like you were Margerita's by the pool every day
when you first moved here, of course, and finally I'm
just starting to run the money after like a month
and a half, I'm like, a fuck, I gotta get serious.
And my friend said, hey, why don't you check out
the porn business. She goes, you take pictures of girls
and bikinis and lingerie and commercial why don't you just

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check it out? And I did, and then it was
a really hard transition because it was good old boy
network back you know, in the nineties you still had
VCA and Russ Hampshire all these.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
You had to know somebody you vivid.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
And wicked and all that shit, and it was kind
of a tight knit group, you know, everyone had their favorites,
and so for me to break in was tough because
I was a photographer, and so I decided one day,
I'm like, I'm going all digital before anyone else. Fuck everybody,
fuck the film. I'm not giving you a role film.
And I'd shoot it all on digital hard drive or

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a DVD burner and a computer. I'd roll up. But
I garnered so much more money because I charged more,
and I just because normal guy's rates were so low,
and I'm like, I can do this, And that's how
I got in. It's like just being a photographer.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
And did people love the fact that you had this
immediate turnaround?

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they were instant, you know back
then Hoorn was so in your face out like you
shoot it, it's out. Yeah, it wasn't a delay, yeah,
you know, And uh, it was interesting because I'm like,
you know, I burned it to a DVD. I'm like, hey,
make a copy of this. I'm not a data warehouser.
That's extra, you know, Like, so you better know do
you have a copy of that? I'm like, no, I

(17:28):
told you when I dropped it off to you.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
I responsible. But yeah, it was.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
It was tough because and then I started working with
all these different people. I was on everyone's sets. Jim Lane,
I worked with him for a hot second. I was insane.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
What was he like?

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Insane? He he got mad at me. He actually didn't
like how I was hustling when I wasn't shooting. You know,
I'm like, dude, I got a book. I got a
book other days, you know. So I'm calling people going,
hey do you need me? You need me? You me?
And he he liked the more sick of fans that
just follow him around, paying attention to him and eating
pizzas and ship Yeah, that wasn't me. I was very

(18:06):
more hustler because not Chicago, New York. That's we don't
funk around.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
You got the only way to survive in this industry
is to be a hustler.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
You have to. You have to if you're if you
want to be lazy, this probably isn't for you, you know,
especially now YEA like, now you've got to be on
top of.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Your Yeah, you got to be. I mean every almost
every girl that I talk to now says that the
majority of the work is the marketing, like you have
to be. It doesn't matter how while you have sex
now market no.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
Because you know all the other Tube sites of minutes,
So there's hundreds of millions of scenes out. What's going
to make your stand above the best? And you know
it's who you work with, not not what you work
who you work with, Who are you going to shoot with?

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
You know? You know?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Okay, so you are working with Jim Lane, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
A little bit until he pulled a stunt on me.
You want to hear this story?

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Of course I do.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So Jim calls me, He's like, hey, do you like boats.
I'm like, yeah, I like boats. You know. He goes, well,
we were thinking about doing a shoot on a boat.
And I'm like, cool, awesome, I'm in. I said, hey, no,
give me the address. Ben's back. When the Thomas Guide
there's no fucking cell phones. That kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
For those of you who don't know. Thomas Guide was
a map of LA.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Twenty years ago.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Yeah, where you had to literally like page by page,
page by page.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
I tell you to go to the you be on
one page and you you want to go down and
be like go to eighty five four. And I'm like
what I'm driving, you know? So anyway, I said, you know,
give me the address. I'll meet you there. He goes,
oh no, no, we'll pick you up. I'm like, that
was my first little red I'm like, okay, So I
get in the car. We drive to Oxnard and we

(19:39):
pull up to this marina and I'm look, I'm like,
what boats are here? I'm like, there's hardly any boats
you can shoot on here, you know, it's kind of
like little boats and shit. So we loaded up the
van going down the dock, and we keep getting closer
closer closer to a shrimp hauler, you know, like one
of those big, gross, fucking forest gump boats, you know,

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with the fucking masks and the nets and shit. And
I'm like, You've got to be fucking kidding me. I'm
like what, And then and then another one hit. The
talent shows up and it's a van, a white man
that door opens up like speccoli and it's all these
fucking fat, three fifty four hundred pound plus girls with
scabs all over their arms and knees and shit. And

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I'm like, what, what the fuck is happening. He goes, yeah,
my other photographer he wouldn't do it. I'm like, oh,
you dick. I'm like, you're a fucking asshole. So I
wasn't happy at all. I was actually pissed. The funny
note to it is, you know, Jim's like, go take
pretty girls. I'm like, it's impossible. These girls are fucking solid.
It's a solid block. And I just go like that.

(20:43):
I'm like, hey, whatever your name is, look here, I'm done.
You know, like I can't do anything. So he did
this little stick where he bought a bunch of like harring,
frozen haring, and his stick was he was gonna dump
the herring into the net and pull it through the wall,
and all of a sudden, the fact girls in the
net and she comes aboard, and then one of these

(21:04):
losers had to fuck this girl. It was terrible, man,
And so okay, the funniest part is right now, so
like it's like lunchtime and we're all kind of getting hungry,
you know, like all right, so we go below there
there was like food, it's gone. There was crumbs on
the fucking table, crumbs, And I'm like, you've got to

(21:26):
be kidding me, like you fucking they ate everything. There
was nothing to eat. So I didn't there. Yeah they
should ate. That would have been more apropos quite honestly.
But yeah, So I told Jim when he dropped me
off and lose my number, dude, never doing that again,
Oh my god. And I never were. I love Jim.
I have nothing to ship on him. He's a really

(21:47):
awesome guy. And he you know, man, he's been there,
done that a million times over. Yeah, he's awesome. Like
I don't have any hatred for him. I actually love him.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Yeah, you know, because he's still.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Killing he's murdering it. Yeah wow, yeah right, I know.
I could just could be like a four hour fucking event.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Oh my god. Okay, so how did your partnership with
Evil Angel begin? Because you your name has like been
synonymous with Evil Angel for such a long time.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
It's an interesting little side stories. I was directing for
New Sensations Scott Taylor. I it was funny It was
a photographer for Scott Taylor for probably two years, maybe
a year, and I worked with him like a couple
of times a week, and he was shooting it was
Andre Madness.

Speaker 4 (22:36):
I remember him, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
And and then this is the old digital tape cameras,
you know, before those DV DV camps, you know. Yeah,
And one day he's shooting a DP and he looked
over it and he goes, finish the scene. I'm like,
no problem, I stepped in and just murdered it.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
And that was your first time like filming on video.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Yeah, well, I mean I had a video camera at
the time, but like the photographer, yeah yeah, because it
was tough to find somebody that would go, oh yeah, kid,
go do whatever you want, you know what I mean, Like,
it wasn't that kind of world. So Scott handed me.
I handed the camera back to Scott. He goes, he goes,
he goes, holy shit, he goes, all right, what do
you want to do? And I'm like, it was right
around Christmas break That's where I got my name was

(23:17):
right around there. Because this is a rambling story, says Scott.
Taylor's like, what do you want to do? And I
took off for the holiday, and I said, I'll come
up with it. And I came back to him. I
had page after a page of you know, the objective
blah blah blah talent that that the name's titles, and
I threw it on his desk.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
He go get gone, he goes do it all And
I did it all.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Every He gave me total license to do whatever I
wanted to do, even tell him to the artwork. He's like,
you know, I want your approval on the box and
blah blah blah. Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Yeah, I'm going to assume he didn't regret it.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
No, but you know, it was a hard It was
a hard thing to tell him when it was over.
But like, okay, so I I'm shooting for new sensations,
do well, getting nominated, all that stuff, And somehow Jules Jordan,
you know, with John, said something to him like, hey, man,
you should maybe check this guy out because they were
looking for people. And so I didn't know that. Jules

(24:15):
didn't tell me. And I'm at one of the a
v ns with Ashley. I think it's what you got,
Performer of the Year or something's crazy. But I'm at
aut Rave, like all day rave. I'm like going hard
and I walk on the floor just from the party.
It's like middle day. I'm wrecked, and I go out
to her a booth and I go She goes, hey,

(24:36):
John Stalliana's looking for you.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
He wants to talk to you. I'm like, this probably
isn't the time.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
She goes, no, you got to go over there right now.
And I just looked at my sunglasses of it goes
it okay, she goes no, she goes keep the sunglasses on.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah. So I went over and talked with John for
literally a couple of minutes because I'm like, I don't
want to blow this. So he's like, I've been checking
out your work and I love that you make your
own music and all this stuff, and he goes, maybe
we should do something, and I just patted him on
the arm like, yeah, man, let's get together when we
get back to LA And I just skated.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Yeah that was not right, yeah, you know, and didn't
want to make a bad impression.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yeah, because I could have tripped over that real quick.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah. Do I feel like it Avian, especially back.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
Then, Oh my god, the party scene was crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:18):
Yeah, I feel like it's less so now, but like
everyone was wasted all the time.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
I was up for three days. That was the longest
time I've ever been or stayed up.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I mean I remember going to like a meeting, like
a webmaster meeting or something like at eight o'clock in
the morning, and there was pictures of orange juice and vodka.
Oh yeah, just like everyone kind of meeting yea.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
And the party there was parties literally twenty four to seven.
You could find it somewhere to go and somewhere to be.
If it's not somebody sweet, which happened a lot, you'd
roll out of a suite at eleven, going, holy fuck,
yeah we've been here all night long. Yeah it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah, it feels a lot more. And girls like wouldn't
show up.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Oh yeah, no, everyone everyone's so faded. Yeah, day it
looks ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
It was like the floor was just like a ghost
town on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Oh yeah, there's no one.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
There was no one going.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
You would have to beg someone to show up on Sunday, yeah,
you know, and they'd be.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like, you know, yeah, exactly was it. Ginger Lynn, who
was on the podcast, who said that they know it
was a Christy Canyon someone said that they tried to
call in a bomb threat so they didn't have to
go in, And oh my god, I.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Got a funny Ginger story. I met her at Cees
in Chicago one day, and this is like back in
the eighties. I had like long hair and cowboy boots
and leathered pants and shit. She comes up to me,
she goes, hey, man, and I'm like, what's up, Ginger.
She's like, hey, can you get any blah blah blah,
And I'm like, I work on it. This way earlier
than cell phone, I would go a pay phone. I'm like, yeah,

(26:47):
you know. And I didn't, but I'm like, that would
have been cool.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
And then Christy Canyon absolutely adore love her to do.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Still sometimes I see her at my grocery store. Sometimes
you've chatted a bunch.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
I love her. She is actually of my super desires.
I love her whole vibe.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
She's just a smart, smart woman.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
Okay, so you you managed not to blow it with
sodle on out, So you go, what's the first thing
that you ever shot for Evil Angel?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
That's a good question. I don't recall. This is part
of my problem. I've had three major concussions. So I like,
I have pockets in my brain that I just cannot
associate with, so I can't quite remember.

Speaker 4 (27:29):
I'd have to look it up.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Okay, what about first, like major first thing that comes
to mind.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
It was probably boygirl anal, because I mean that's kind
of what they do, that's their jam. And then as
it progressed, you know, like I borrowed money from John
to stay afloat until I was in the positive and
in the blacks, so you know, I'd get so much
a month to take care of me and take care
of my productions and all that stuff. And it took
me about a year and a couple month or two

(27:55):
and then I was free, and you know, so it
was I have nothing but respect for John. He changed
my life completely because I if I would have stayed
in Chicago be and a photographer, I'd be homeless. Yeah,
there's no more photography. I have one buddy of mine
from the same era. He's in Florida and he does
Oolaala of Paris. He does all this fashion stuff. He's

(28:17):
the last of a generation that doesn't even know exist. Yeah,
you know, but.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Like anyway, no, it's impossible. I mean I had to.
I remember, like that was one of the biggest fights
that I was having with my mom when I finally
decided to like split and go off on my own.
Like she would not go into video, you know, oh
if she hated it, she's like going to wallh And
I was like, you have no choice.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
Stephen Hicks hated it too, yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
And I'm this is like going, this is the future,
Like you cannot survive by just doing photos.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Can we talk about steph Hicks?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Of course. So Stephen Higgs was another Stephen Hicks very
famous photography was pretty much my mom's biggest rival. Like
it was so funny. So I would always tell models
the best way to get my mom to book you,
and he lived kind of close to where we live,
so people would come, like agents would bring girls to
Stephen Hicks and then bring girls to my mom, and

(29:09):
the best way to get my mom to book you
would be like, so, yeah, I just took her to
see Stephen Hicks, and I think he's going to book her,
and she pushed, fuck it, I'm gonna get him person.
She'd book you.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
Like right there, because the rates were crazy good back
then for them, and especially if it was for a
major magazine like Penhouse, like yeah, Steven got paid man, yeah,
and they take care of everything.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
So I get out here and I'm like, I gotta
i gotta change my circle of influence, you know, I'm like,
got to get away from the commercial editorial. And I'd
seen Stephen Hicks's think layouts in Penhouse and I'm like,
I'll check this guy out. So I go and I
make an appointment to see him and sit down this
great desk with all the magazine and he was just,

(29:52):
you know, surfer dude, the sweetest guy in the world.
So I go into his office and he's like, well,
you know, I worked for this place and she Cago
and this and that, and you know, here's my word.
I gave him my portfolio, which I gave to him.
I gave him my portfolio and he never he gave
it to someone else and I never got it back
side all right, Sorry about that off on that tangent.

(30:13):
So so he's like, he goes, well, tell me about
like your experience, like what what do you know about photography?
And I'm like, all right, well, hand me any one
of your books and I'll magazines and I'll tell you
how you did it. And he hands me a layout.
He what's it open? And he throws it. I'm like,
all right, here we go. You ready, I go. You
did the Polaroid instant film thirty five millimeter. You shot

(30:35):
this hard light there it's a stop and over this
one's another hard light, and you're using this soft box
and you're using this spotlight. And he's like, you can
tell all that. I'm like, yes, I go, dude. I
used to match back in Chicago. They Montgomery Ward or Carson,
Perry Scott. They had all these different photographers and sometimes
you'd bring you over a slight. Well he's in Tahiti,

(30:57):
you gotta do this, and you'd have to look at
it and go, Okay, what warming Jill did he use
in the background? What did he do is here? And
we'd have to cipher everything out because they would never
tell you. They would never tell you in a million years.
So I got real good at like picking ship apart,
and I could tell I just you know. So I
met Steven and then I became his first assistant, like

(31:18):
immediately wow, And I ran everything for him for a while,
and he did not like the idea that I was
entertaining for he hated it. It was he has such
contradiction because he was such a sex addict and then
and then he just hated girls like something like Jenna
and Jill perfect example. Yeah, he loved Jenny, loved Jill.

(31:40):
That's how I met them through him and uh so,
but he hated that they do a photo shoot for
him and they'd be out getting fucked the next day.
He couldn't stand it, like did relax, Well, that's their life.
I mean, it's save everybody, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
But also too, it's like acknowledge the industry that you're in,
you know what I mean, Like it's all it's all
sex work. It's all sex work, and you have to
me the same way.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
There would be new girls. I can't remember if some
Russian chick came in and she's like he would just like,
don't do that, don't do this, and don't do that,
and the next a week later they'd be doing it.
Like why go through your whole diet tribe about protecting
someone when they're just gonna do it. I mean they
see Spiegeler back then, like they're looking out for their
best interests. Yeah, they don't really care what Jay Stephen

(32:27):
Hicks has to say, you know, but he was a
sweetheart and rest in peace.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yeah. Did you go to his funeral? No?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
I couldn't do it. I was really I was kind
of in a bad spot back then. I emotionally, like,
I still get choked up. He was a good guy.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Yeah, I didn't really know him, but I did.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
I just couldn't do it. I knew I would be
a total disaster.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah. It was a beautiful service.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Yeah, I just I loved him to death.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Okay, we're going to move on to do happier things. Okay,
So let's talk about the style of your movies. Your
films are often described as glamor but dirty, So how
do you achieve that kind of mix?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
That's been my thing since day one is I always
want the girls to look their absolute best, you know,
the whole desire thing, and I want, you know, after
the fashion world and being in that with girls would
make up and all them, you know, back in Chicago,
we'd had a hairstylist and then a makeup artist, so
their hair guy hair girl would work on her for
two hours, you know, like it was intense. So I

(33:26):
kind of wanted to take that and bring that with
me and I wanted to make sure that they were supermodels,
but they got down. You know, they get busy. I
love the transformation. You shoot this crazy, exotic whatever, pretty thing,
and then all of a sudden, it's like, ah, you know,
I like that.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
My mother used to always say, you need to look beautiful,
even with come all over your face.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Yeah, that's pretty true.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I don't think anyone looks bad with it.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
So what do you think is like your best or
maybe a couple of your favorites, like your best work.
Like if someone God forbid is watching this and has
never seen your work and shame on you if that
is you, where should they go? Like what are you
the most proud of?

Speaker 3 (34:08):
The showcases? Of course are my thing, But yeah, I
mean probably showcases. I think, like I try them real
hard now to come up with different things that are
just against the grain because everything's so formulaic. You got
porn Hub and or all these super commercial or should

(34:29):
I say corporate companies, and they're just watering it down,
and I'm like, well, it's time to notch it up.
So everything's double bash double ano, Like, let's take it
to another level because everyone's so just You can tell
that people are bored. Like it's like, dude, if I
don't choot boy girls sex that often, you know, because
it's kind of tacit. Like you can go to porn

(34:52):
Hub or any of these other sites. They are nauty
American and watch till your dick falls off. It's just no,
there's nothing going on there.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
So what are you shooting?

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Staf like gang bangs, blow bangs, fucking dps, double bad double,
you know, like let's go hard face fucking hard, like
everything's hard, because like I don't want to do it.
If I'm not, I couldn't. If you told me, hey,
you know you got to do this, I'd be like, nah,
I don't want to. You know, even when I used
to have to shoot soft for New Sensations, I was like,
how long does this have to be?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I know that's always it was boring, and.

Speaker 3 (35:22):
The guy's trying to fuck her because you knows he's
going to.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
So it's like, I see, I've had people fall asleep
during the softcore part, the hand covering kind of thing,
that whole deal.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Yeah, it's it's really it's stupid. And you know, like
that had a time and a place, you know, back
when cable was going. That was a great. When I
sold my product to Cable, Oh my god, that's when
I was really going bananas because the money was just nuts. Yeah,
it was every month You're like Jesus Christ and another
person would picking up like it's double Like it's happening

(35:53):
triple It was great.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
I missed that. That was a big hit.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
So you like to shoot really hardcore, yet how do
you cast the right kind of girls for that because
we know that, like there's only a certain type of
girl that can do that kind of shoot. And have
you had girls come on set and then kind of
can you tell like if they're like, oh, this is
not for them, and.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Like, I know, I've never really had that happen because
it's like with Double Anel, it's a perfect so many
girls like I don't think I can do it. I'm like,
you just saw Chloe to Double Ano. She's just got
you know, I'm an anal queen, but she goes, I
don't know if I can do it. I'm like, trust me,
I only hire guys that I know can do it,
and they're super pros. And plus like double Aano's going
in this far, you know, like it's not not taking

(36:36):
a foot long cock in your ass and double lane also.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Okay, so actually so with double anal, the guys don't
get it in all the way.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Well, it's impossible because the body, it's almost impossible. And
then to see it, you're never gonna know what I mean.
That kind of they porn is very showy, and so
I call it show That's why they call it show business.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Yeah, show it up.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
But I've never had anyone that lost their mind and
left or anything like that. It's always been the opposite, like,
oh my god, I can't believe I just did that.
That was awesome, or like double vadge. Some girls are
like having crazy orgasms, are like, oh my god, what's
that all about. I'm like, yeah, you just wanted to
be filled up. Yeah, it's not too hard. Yeah yeah,

(37:16):
so I mean, how I can't you asked how I
cast it as well?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
Thank god for x What do you call it?

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Sorry, it was gonna be a old man say twitter.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
We still say twitter. I think everyone still says twitter, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, what do you call it X post?

Speaker 1 (37:29):
If it's not a tweet exactly, I call it twitter.

Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's so silly. Yeah, it was silly to start with
tweet and now it's even more silly.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
So but everyone's on on X so you can check
everyone out. And I kind of use it as a
as a booking tool to see if, like do they
have what I do that can they can they do this?

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You know, and I'm pretty good at it, so like
I can tell, you know, like I see this girl,
I'm like, oh, she's fantastic.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
So do you you get to choose everybody that you will?
That's like the key, I think, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Because like when I didn't have choice, it was a
shit show. Yeah, you know, like I don't know how
many I did all this crazy you know, girl next
door or stuff, and or these girls would show up
and you're like, oh my god, this is going to
be the worst day of my life.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
I had one girl who was this, oh my god,
I gotta think about this. It was on one of
my shoots, but she was freaking out the whole time.
I don't know if I can do this. I don't
know if it's going to be terrible. It's gonna be terrible.
Got into it five minutes and she goes, I don't
know what I was stressing about. I'm like I told you.
I told you. I was telling you I'm a chill out,
Everything's going to be fine. And she's like, I'm sorry,
I'm sorry I did that to you, and I'm like, yeah,

(38:34):
it's okay.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yeah, I mean, the worst experiences have always been when
I was shooting for a client that didn't let me
have any kind of creative controller.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
I couldn't do it, who.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
The talent was, and when I warn them and they
don't listen to me, and then it turns out to
be a shit show.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, I mean, it happened. It happens so much. It's
probably happening as we speak. Yeah, somebody's getting shot in
the valley and it's terrible and the guy's having a
tough time because she doesn't know how to do anything
and her teeth are fucking terrible, or like, you know,
like the list is long of all the shit that
can happen, you know, and all the bad things, and
so to make a great scene. I'm proud of myself

(39:10):
and the fact that I really don't feel like I
put out shit. I put out as best as I
can do. So like I'm not that I'm not naughty
America or whatever that are just shoveling this crap.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, they were always making me shoot like scup new
new talent and the worst is new I know everyone's
going to start somewhere. Was new male talent. That was
I will never use any favorite thing to do because
it was.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Just like, you have to come with a serious recommendation.
I got to see you kill it.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Yeah, but the whole scene rise on the guy.

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Well. The thing too, is like, if you're shooting for
a company and you don't have any skin in the game,
what do you care? Yeah, they're not good, you know
what I mean. But when you own it and it's
yours and it's yours forever and you're gonna make money
on it for the rest of your life, you kind.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
Of care more.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:58):
So I think that was it. You know, that makes
a difference.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
So you just finished a showcase right with Chloe more So,
tell us a little bit about.

Speaker 3 (40:08):
That mon and more as it's called, and it's available
at evan angel dot com. I shot, I missed. Chloe
did two rounds. Okay, so she did one big round
and I missed it because she was with.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Fixon No Derek Oh as an agent.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Oh right, So yeah, so I don't book those people
at that time. So I missed her.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Do you have a fight with Derek?

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Oh, don't even get me going. It's I'll tell you
off camera it's fucking retarded. I missed Chloe on her
first round, and then she started coming back again. She
looked a whole lot even better. She kind of filled
out as a woman. I was instantly, Oh, that's cool,
you know. So I shot her in the anal scene
and it was just incredibly great. I'm like this, I like,

(40:53):
shot her in another scene in DP and it was great.
I'm like, okay, and I felt like I had a
little synergy with her. She really comes on alive, and
she's trying to prove a point.

Speaker 4 (41:03):
You know, She's like, is that okay?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
Do you think that was hot enough? We can do
it again. I'm like, she wants to take it to
that level. So I just hit her up. I said,
let's work on a showcase next year and take our
time with it. And you know, it's first gang bang,
first double badge, first air tight, so we killed some first.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Can you explain to those who may not know what
an airtight is?

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Air tight is when you have one in your mouth?
One in your vagina and one in your buttle.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
You learned something new, everybody.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
You're a busy person, very lot going on, a lot
of shit happening.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
You're credited is as someone who created the concept of
the showcase, right.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
I don't know if I can take credit for it,
but I will because I think I did. Kidding no,
but like, okay, so here's how this came about. There
was always Ginger Lynn, Christy Kanyon comps. But as a fan,
I'm like, I seen all that, Like, yuck, you just
tried to sell me something new and it's shit because
they have they'd have that vivid guy or whatever. He'd

(41:57):
reshoot a new cover. You'd think, oh my god, you know,
and the back then the photography on the boxes was terrible,
so you really couldn't tell that. We need to talk
about that too. I was shooting Tiffany Minx at the time.
I loved her.

Speaker 4 (42:13):
I remember, she was so cool.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
She was just cool. She was just a sweetheart, and
she was the hippie and she was she liked to
go fishing and she was super cool. But she was
such a great performer, and she was one of those
performers I watched when I wasn't in corner, you know,
when I was just a fanboy, and so I met her,
hit it off, and I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like,
what can I do with her? Everyone's seen her do everything,

(42:38):
so what are we going to do?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
So are you a angel at this point?

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah? This was early on. This was probably in the
first year or maybe the second year, and I just
to set her up.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
I go, can we try an idea?

Speaker 3 (42:47):
I go, I just want to shoot all these different
scenes that no one's ever seen on you. And she
was like, yeah, let's do it. I I can't remember
the scenes, but I mean group scenes, double that their
double DP, like we went hard.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
And the idea was to shoot like her first or.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
That she did so much hardcore. I think we did
a group scene. I can't quite remember exactly because it's
been a long time.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
I just I'm like, I want to do something all
about you, because you know, back then you're shooting a movie,
you're shooting four or five or six. Some movies back
then had sixteen, some had five, you know, and I'm like,
I just want to do something just on you. Because
it was kind of a spin off of like You know,
I can't remember the Vivid ginger Lynd series, but like,
you know, they did stuff like that, like one hundred

(43:34):
percent Ginger. You know, I tasted ginger like all that shit,
and I love that, but it was just too tame
and soft for me, and I'm like, I want to
do my own version of it. So it clicked and
it hit and people loved it, and I'm like, oh,
I'm going to do another thing. And then we started
doing the whole alphabet thing, so like G for Gianna
because I stole it from V for Vendetta. I'm like,

(43:54):
I kind of like that, you know, And so I
kind of ran with that and it became like a
showcase the next thing, you know, it's like everyone's getting
a showcase.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
Yeah, it's kind of.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
It's almost like and then I think it's its own
category and the.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Right it's crazy. Yeah, So I don't think a lot
of people know that, Like I think I was the first.
I could be wrong, but I think I must just
go with I'll go with the ft.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
So what influences have any mainstream directors had in your work?
If any, That's a tough one.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
I mean I love mainstream directors, like Fincher and you know,
Paul Thomas Anderson, like people that have a vision. I
don't really have that as a direct influence obviously. You know,
my direct influence would be more like Helmet Newton or
you know, like you're like with you, It's like, I
don't really have any mainstream direct influence because what I

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do is like pretty much almost the same thing but
with different spins. So like, I don't really I'm not
you know, I want to do a crazy, uh talking
cinematic thing we're going.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
To we don't have that. All do that or like
art direction.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
I bought a red camera and I used it maybe
four times. Yeah, I'm still sitting there in flight cases.
There's just too much shit. I'm like, this is way
too much for me.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
What do you shoot on right now?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
I'm on Fuji?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
Okay, Yeah, why do you like the Fuji?

Speaker 3 (45:18):
The colors are insane and just you get a sixteen
bit video file which is unbelievable, and the color schemes
are really nice. I'm going to check out Panasonic. That's
my next I used to shoot on Panasonic back in
the day too. I went from Sony Panasonic Cannon, you know.
But yeah, I love Fuji FUJIFILM. It's great.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
If there is someone who's watching who wants to start
shooting their own movies but doesn't have the technical knowledge,
what would you say is the most important thing to
start with?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
YouTube? Start on YouTube? You know, do your homework. Yeah,
you know, like people used to call me, hey, you know,
how do I do this? I'm like, just look it up, man,
It's not that hardy now, especially now like it's retarded.
The computer do it for you. But I just recommend
people check out what you have to use something a
device that's ergonomically with you. If you don't like the

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way the menus are set up, or you don't like
the way this is working, you don't like the lenses,
you don't like this, and it's not for you, you have
to find something that's for you. And I've been through
the Gamut. I had Sony forever. I totally did Sonya.
I wouldn't never go back. You know, it just didn't
work for me. The colors were awful, you know, I'm like,
this sucks, Like why have people orange? Yeah, you know,

(46:29):
like it doesn't matter about white balance. I'm like pulling
all the orange out in the back anyway. So what
I would tell people is do your homework. You know,
go on YouTube, check out lights, cameras, you know, stuff
that you're going to use, you know, because you have to.
You know, you have to dig what you're using, otherwise
you get pissed. Yeah, you know, like I was Cannon
for a hot second, and you know.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
This canon girl like my life.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Yeah, I mean I started. My first cameras were like nikons, and.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
My first camera was an icon.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Like mea six r Z six seven. I mean, I still.
I just watched somebody on instagraming this is an r
Z six seven.

Speaker 4 (47:07):
I'm like, oh man, I love that camera.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I bought myself a hustle Blood. Yeah, I owe a
five thirty c. I always wanted a hustle Blood when
I was in I just madchool, but I just like
I couldn't afford one, and then I just went and
bought one.

Speaker 3 (47:21):
Go try and buy a digital one, and I love it.
Go buy a digital one.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
I like filming.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Those things are so I'm.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Sure, but but yeah, I like shooting on film now.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
I mean the camera I'm doing for still is it's
a it's a medium format. It's a u gs X
one two s this big. It's huge. That's the sensors
like that big. Yeah, you know, because I just want
really good photos. Yeah, I'm using that's that's your hook
in the beginning. Yeah, that's what it used to be, Like, oh,

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that's what listed off the shelf.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Yeah. I definitely wouldn't use the hustle blood for shooting
like box covers or anything and like that. But when
I'm shooting artsy stuff for don't like I think.

Speaker 3 (48:04):
There're one twenty. I think the House about one twenty
was the sharpest camera ever made. Yeah, the lens it
was so sharp. It was terrible to shoot people. You're like,
oh yeah, too sharp. Yeah. Everyone was doing the panty
hose with a hole in the middle, Like what can
I do to edge that off a little? It's like
you can see the veins in their eyes, you know.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Yeah. I just watched The Lord of the Rings again
with my daughter, and that was when what was the
camera that had just come out and and it was
actually a problem because maybe it was the red I
don't remember, but it was an I remember people were
saying it was actually an issue because it was too

(48:43):
sharp and the sets looked like sets. Yeah, because it
was too, like yeah, and it did.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
And then I mean that's what the whole you know,
cinemat cinema cameras and cinema lenses.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
It just takes that edge off. Yeah, they're made to
look like that.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
They're not like you put a twenty four to seventy
on a red it's like, eh, that looks like shit. Yeah,
Like I was like, what this is terrible? Is there
something wrong with my camera? Like I was like, am
I doing something wrong? Like nope, it's just not made
for that. Yeah, you know, so I get the animal
fix and you get all this and all that bullshit.
I'm like, ah, what am I doing?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
What do you think is more important the camera? The lenses?
Like what should somebody spend more money on?

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Oh, I'm an original lens kind of guy. Like I
think glass is important even now. Yeah, glass important, you know.
Like the RZ six to seven was fun because they
made special lenses that were they were called Apple lenses.
But the whole point is they were made so that
every color passed through the center at the exact same time.
A lot of lenses have don't have that ability where

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they'll let green and blue and first like for you know,
we're talking microseconds. But when that all the colors that
are in the spectrum of what we're living in hits
the back of the film plane, you get a better product.
So we used to do it for commercial stuff because
like blue jeans, you'd photograph BlueJ and it's they look purple.
They're not blue. It's indigo. It's not blue. So you'd

(50:05):
have to have them back before photoshop try and fix it.
Dialing it in it was crazy, it was insanity interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Yeah, I've never heard about like the colors hitting it.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Back then, it was crazy important. And the lenses were
like almost triple like they were crazy expensive. Yeah, like
a fifty millimeter was like six or seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
So any all time favorite performers that you've worked with.
I know it's impossible to like nail it down to one,
but do you have a couple.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
I gotta start with Angela of course.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Yeah, Angela White. I actually make a joke that we
should rename this podcast. I love Angela because everyone's just
like everyone's just like you can only have good things
to do about.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Actually nothing bad. No, she is the sweetest person ever.
Adore her And uh, it's like I said, she's kind
of like sistery, you know. Yeah, we hang out, we
go to dinners and socialized, and it's just like being
with your buddy, you know. But then when you shoot her,
it's like something snaps and it's on and she's just

(51:08):
electric and yeah she gets that part. Well, that's her
showcase from last year, if you remember fuck Angela right, Well,
this was such a thing. I just blew my mind.
I still can't wrap my head around it is. You know,
I'm on set and they were like one of their
production people's like, hey, do you still have a VX
two thousand. I'm like, yeah, I do. Let me put
a battery on it and see if it works. Click,

(51:30):
it worked, fires up. I'm like, I got an idea.
Takes a couple of weeks and he goes, we're going
to shoot a showcase on a fucking VX two thousand,
but we're going to digitize it with a monitor and
a recorder.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Now this is on a VHS tape.

Speaker 3 (51:45):
No, it was mini DV, MiniDV, but the resolution was
maybe seven to eighty wide. So look we're talking like
from this to this. Yeah, and so we did a
test shoot and looked at it and I'm like, holy
looking at it on a phone, yeah, because in fifty
five percent of people watching pornas on their phone, and
I was like, holy, holy shit, it probably is. So

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we looked at it. I'm like, oh, we're good to go.
Let's do this. And then they agreed on it and
they ran with it, and so they hired me Mike
John Jules, John Stalliano and so I'm on sitting there like,
this is an homage to what we were watching when
you guys were doing it in two thousand. I'm like, what,

(52:27):
this is where this concept came from. She goes, yeah,
this is this is what it's about. This is what
the ship we were watching in Australia before we even
came here. We were watching you and Jewels and John
and Ba And I'm like, what, it's still blue. It
still blows my mind. And then we did it, and
you know, I'm sitting there shooting with a camera I've
been touched in twenty years. It was really surreal. And

(52:48):
then just all the weird little tricks because it's a
cool little camera. You know, it's got a little viewfinder
and you can yeah yeah business, and then you've got
as on it you get underneath the tits and you
move a little bit differently because it's not like it's
not like a box, it's like a tube that's just movie.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah, and it had like auto focus. I gotta say
it was way easier to shoot with.

Speaker 3 (53:08):
Oh yeah, it was insane. But I'm shooting with this thing.
I'm like, I'm doing all these kind of old hacky
tricks that I used to do. I'm like pushing in
when i'm you know, you push in when i'm pulling out,
you know, like doing not all kinds of shit like that.
I'm like, this is fun. Yeah, and so yeah, I
might be doing something with mine at some point. Again,
I loved it, but I'm like, I'm like, I'm not
going to touch it for a while. Yeah, enjoy your fun.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
And then she I think she told me that she
did like a limited release of a bout of on
VHS and it sold out like in minutes.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Yeah yeah, I can't remember so many hundred or a
thousand or two thousand. But they found the person who
still made the red inserts for the VHS tape to
go in the box, and then they did four color
printing on the box, and then the booklet that came
with it because it was I think there's like six
scenes and there's like three hours of four hours of BTS,

(53:57):
like it's it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Yeah, And so they spared.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
No expense and did an amazing product. I have it
up in my office. And then they make it when
skateboards with their names out of school. That's cool because
they were a total skater kids.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
They loved all yeah, and then it won.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah. I'm like, I'm like, I'm not gonna even you
guys are gonna smoke this. There's not even a chance.
Good for you.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Angela and then second by far As Adriana Checchik. I
absolutely dig her. She's cool. But we had the same
kind of thing. I call it synergy. Like sometimes I'll
be shooting with Angela or even Adriana when I'm just
sitting there, I'm like, I'm like, turn your head now
in my brain, and then they do it and I'm like, Okay,

(54:44):
that's weird. Let's try it again. And then it happens
and You're like, Okay, this is weird. Something's going on here.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Incredible performance, amazing Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Shooting her on nineteenth, Oh yeah, I heard she's back.
I shot a blowbang with her a couple of weeks
ago or month, month and a half ago.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Bet she killed it.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Wow. So you've crossed path with a lot of celebrities
over the years. Who was the most surprising celeb fan
of yours?

Speaker 3 (55:13):
So I'm backstage nine nine Nails and I'm I'm a
little out of my mind and I meet David Cross
and I'm like, I'm Johnny Darker. He goes, you means
like Johnny Darko and I'm like, nah, don't even because
I was that whole thing their show was on HBO
was the best. You know, I'm talking to David Cross.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
I know the name. I don't know why I'm not
Bob Odenkirk.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
You know Bob and Dave, Bob and Dave show. Bob
Odenkirk's huge now because he has that whole movie series
he's doing and he did uh uh shit. I can't
remember the fucking movies the name.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
And Ernie you can look it up.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Ernie, look it up. Butter call saut Oh, that's odin Kirk.
And I said to Dave, I go, hey, I'd love
to meet Bob Odenkirk. He goes, you guys wouldn't like it.
He wouldn't like you. He goes he too straight edge,
he would not think you're funny.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Who's cross?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
I know he's a comedian. Now he's like he did
stand up rested development. He was what was his name.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Something with a T.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Was he the never nude guy? Okay, I know I
gave him, I know I know the name.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
I gave him a big hug because I was on
some controlled substances, and then I was I couldn't believe
I had a picture of us taken somewhere. And then
I gave him another big companies Okay, you're out of hugs.
I guess that was my God. And then the story
that made GQ magazine was funny because this is when
I was at Ashley. This is Christmas time, I don't

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know what year, and we go over to Whole Foods,
which was the one on Fairfax on Santa Monica, and
we're in the meat section whatever, and I look at
my shoulder like there's Jake Jill and hallme like, because
I called myself Darko after Donnie Darko, That's how I
did it.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
I was on that break for New Sensations, and I
was just He's like, come up with a name. I'm like,
I don't know, dude, Fuck, I hate this. I just
wanted to go Jack Smith, you know, like I didn't know,
but I watched that movie and.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
It hit me so hard. I'm like, this is my vibe,
this is my lane.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
So then I meet Jake and I said, hey, man,
don't want to freak you out right now, but no,
it's you know, coming up to you in a fucking
grocery store. I go, but, hey, I'm a porn director
and I named myself Johnny Darko after Donnie Darko. He's like, oh,
that's kind of cool, you know. Yeah, And so he
does a GQ article and he goes, what's the weirdest

(57:38):
thing that's ever happened to you in Hollywood? He goes,
it's porn guy. Because that's he tells me his name
is Johnny Darko.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
He goes, that was pretty fucking weird. I'm like, it
seems apropos, you know, perfect right, Oh my.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
God, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I bet he went home and watched all of you.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, I don't know. Well, he was with his girlfriend
at the time and she was all strung out on something. Right.
I can't remember her name. This is like the memory
of whole what's going on? I can't.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
I have no idea who you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
What was the question? So many celebrities, what's the weirdest
one or what's the.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I think you answered, like, what are some of them?

Speaker 3 (58:13):
I controlled substances with John Stamos at his house.

Speaker 4 (58:16):
Oh god, that was pretty.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
That must have been interesting.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
Yeah, I'm like, I got.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Like, I go, I'll never forget. I said. I didn't
talk to him too much. But I'm like, dude, I go,
who doesn't want to fuck Uncle Jesse? And he's like, yeah, man,
He's like that's how it is. I'm like, I like,
holy shit, you know. So he took off and did
like a crazy tour with some friend of mine and

(58:42):
when he broke up with the Rebecca Romain and they
were just out laying it down.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
That's so funny.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Private jet, the city, the city crazy, it's crazy, like crazy.
Hollywood's just crazy, like you know, whether it's rock stars,
like I've met a lot of rock stars, but I
don't I never really use that. Like the trend thing
was cool because like I was a super fan, like
Trent's the reason why I started making music. If there
was no pretty hate machine, I would never have made music.
It was so good. Like I'm like working at this

(59:10):
satellite place and I'm like going to the music store
and buying synthesizers and computers and shit, I'm like, Wow,
if he can do it, I can do it. Yeah,
still making poor but really he was a really nice
guy too, Like I absolutely a door trunt resort, and
he helped refuel that, getting me going back into music again.
And he gave me a program called Reason and I

(59:32):
started making music and yeah, I just it took off
from there and I've had releases on independent labels and shit.
So that's cool, that's amazing. I had fun with it.
It's just fun, you know, something I do to decompress. Yeah,
you know, just sitting there in a studio and just
making music by yourself is very you know, cathartic.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
How do you manage like a work life balance.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
It's pretty tough, especially now, like because I'm going really
hard because I probably have about five in me.

Speaker 1 (59:59):
Five years left I think. I mean Clint Eastwood is
still directing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Yeah, but he's a he doesn't hold the camera, holding
camera like the camera rig.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
And should you direct and not hold a camera?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
Probably, but I'd probably be really bad because I'd have
way more time to pick it apart, So I'd probably
be shitting. I mean, that's kind of what directors do it. Yeah,
you have to pick it apart, and that's why you
reshoot all this and the moment is the shoot. Sitting back,
I'd be like, like, move that court, ake it, you know,
like it would be tough for me. Yeah, you know,
you know it'd be hard for you to sit back

(01:00:35):
and go and watch a photo shoot and not pick
the ship up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah. That I can sit back and let other people
shoot like direct, Like I can direct and let other
people do the camera work. I mean, if they're good,
they have to be good. But yeah, I can't let
anyone else do the photography.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
That's why I have to do way, that's why we
have to do photos. Yeah, that's why we have to
do photos.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Oh god, all right. You mentioned that you wanted to
talk about The Encyclopedia of Unusual Sex Practices, which was
written by Brenda Love in nineteen ninety two. What impact
has that book had on you in your career?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Well, open up your gift.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Oh a wonderful opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
I didn't know it was your birthday, but it worked
out perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
See the synergy. You don't only have synergy with Angela
White and Adrianna Checchik.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
My mom told me never to go anywhere empty handed.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Smart woman.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Yeah, yeah, she's seen the parties. I show up and
I got a case of scotch in my car.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, I had a mom. I did a
playdate with my daughter and some of her like friends
from school the other day and the mom showed up
with a bottle of whiskey. Nice like single skulch whiskey,
but like it is a gain not to drink, And
I was like, thanks, we normally give gifts a.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Play I don't drink, but hey, yeah, I'll watch you drink.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
There you go, you got your own. It's really it's
a great book.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Okay, so tell tell me about this book because I've
never heard.

Speaker 3 (01:02:14):
Okay, so I'm gonna have you look up a word.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Oh ready, yes, I'm ready, a right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Apo, temphilia. It's the best one in the book. I've
read that from cover to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Okay, what is it? So I'm like I'm looking in
the bibliography.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
Just it's all by It's an encyclopedia. So okay abcd okay.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
Apo temphilia APO temphilia ap oh.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
This is funny because I think it's the most perverse
thing in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Apo temp two pophilia Wow, that is a mouthful describes
people who are aroused by the idea of themselves losing
a limb or having a body part surgically removed. Such
people will occasionally injure themselves to an extent that requires
amputation by a surgeon. However, most are content to fantasize
about the loss as they masturbate. A few men cross

(01:03:03):
dress as females and fake some sort of disability. There
are many theories for this behavior. One explanation is similar
as to those why men cross dress as children. These
men felt that females and amputees received special compensations. As adults,
they prefer an unusual sex object or practice. Due to
early life sexual repression or guilt imposed by parents, they

(01:03:25):
select safe objects for their lust. These might be prostitutes
or a handicapped person. Caution in capital letters. Actual removal
of body parts causes personal disability, and if it is
done under unsterile conditions, serious infections may result. Just in
case you didn't know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
There's tons of cautions in there, because there's crazy stuff,
like there's guys that get off on getting there, dicks
stung by bees because it grows like this, like it
looks like a pumpkin afterwards. Wow, it's so amazing because
there's so many words, and like I said, everything's aphelia
and ism and I used to I couldn't get the
hard cut back. They don't make it anymore. I used

(01:04:02):
to have it on my coffee table for years and
it always sparked crazy conversations. I'm like, look up a
word and read it, you know, and they're like, what,
it's so much weird ship that you would never think
is a sexual thing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Okay, I'm gonna look up a weird word.

Speaker 3 (01:04:16):
Yeah, masturbation. Wow, that narrowed it down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Okay, Uh, you can't give me pronunciations he terra he
era era a. I'm actually not bad at reading.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
I just the Greek vowel conson head of era.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
A head to were female companions and entertainers during the
fourth and fifth centuries BC. They were the highest of
the three classes of Greek prostitutes. The second class were
called alutrides. They played musical instruments at feasts and used
prostitution as a second secondary source of income. The lowest
class were dietecha rides, whose primary talents were sexual Most

(01:05:06):
head a Greek words are so hard to pronounce. Most
heada our eyes. I know I'm pronouncing that wrong. Head
to our eyes. Where originally Greek slaves, Greek women rarely
were allowed to pursue intellectual interests comparable to the highest
class of European courtisons. That makes sense. They chose to
remain single and pursue education. Although financially supported by their lovers,

(01:05:29):
they were still allowed much more freedom than other women, who,
after marriage were confined to their homes. I mean that
sounds like a better deal to me. I mean, I
mean these are basically like women who suggar daddies.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
Yeah, you know it's happening now, there you go. Yeah,
I mean, it's a good fun book. It's just one
of those things that like if you if you ever
get bored, if people are at your house, just throw
that on their lap and go have fun.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:52):
It's just so insane. There's so many crazy things.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Oh my god, thank you. I love that. No, that
is really interesting, great gifts.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I've given it to Angela. Oh yeah, I gave it
to Angela for her one of her birthdays.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
That's awesome. She's like, what all right? So my last
question for you is you've obviously Oh wait, I don't
need this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Swear.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I don't need reading classes all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, it's not in need, it's more want.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
My next question, I'll hold it for you. So you've
obviously been in the industry for a long time. How
long have you been in the industry.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
I have to say probably twenty five. Oh, I've owned
my own company.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
I'm twenty seven years.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
What year did you start?

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I started in ninety nine.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
I think see it, but okay, yeah, I just can't. Again,
there's chunks of my brain that don't allow me to
recall it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
I just know that I was twenty when.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
I was like, I was here. I just don't remember
the day. I don't even remember the date I left Chicago, Yeah,
and drove a U haul across the country. Yeah, I
don't remember. But like, I've owned my business with Eve
for twenty years. Yeah, and John's that's the whole cool
thing is like I own my own production company.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, he's one of the only people that does that
because I know Lisa and did that deal with him too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Yeah, and he was always cool, like, hey, just do
whatever you feel, you know, do what you want. You know,
true your altruistic things will come out and you'll just
do what you want to do. And he's never told
me not to do anything, you know. And they were
all freaked out when I was going to told him
about the Darko. Uh Angela by Darko, Like we did
a showcase and they listened to our pitch and what

(01:07:33):
we were going to do and they like, are you
really going to do this? I'm like, yeah, I want
to do this. And it was so far out left the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
Center, which what was Angela?

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
It was like the thing we rallied around and came
up with ideas for showcase gang bangs, blah blah blah blah,
double this, double that, but we're like, we want the
intros to be unique. So like one of them is
she's in a fur coat and we had snow machine
and all this crazy effect.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
Remember all this crazy cool shit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
I think she came onto my podcast to promote that,
and I think she was. I think she just shot
that and she was like showing me photos like I think,
like in her phone it looked.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Really crazy, and we were like that was when led
lights were kind of making a hit, you know. So
we used a bunch of them and we built the
sets and so it was a little different for me
because you know, like I'm not a big set guy.
I can do it, but I after the years of
commercial stuff, I just don't like being in dark rooms.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
So darken air right now. So my question for you is,
having been in the industry for so long and seeing
all of the changes, what is some of the biggest
changes that you've seen from the way it is now
to the way it was when you started? And are
these good? Are these bad? Do you see good changes
bad changes?

Speaker 3 (01:08:52):
Well, the thing that's changed dramatically is you know, back
in the good old days when it was a super
cash business, like it's a money business now, but it's changed.
The companies aren't making the money. The individual girls are
making the money, which I'm fine with. I don't have
any beef with that at all. And you know why
fans don't give a shit relatively, you know, like I'm

(01:09:12):
just the guy who makes it happen. They're interested in
the girl, and that's what they should be interested and
that's fine. I'm fine with it. But you know, back
in the day, your only outlet to see this was
to have to buy a product from a company. So
they had all the power, they had all the money,
and they made gobs and gobs of cash. When VHS
was around, man, go, I would sell my mom's ashes

(01:09:35):
to go back to VHF ninety dollars for they were
so expensive, but the money was insane. And then when
that died.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
That's what I'm saying, like the fact that like they
were ninety dollars a back in the eighties, Like, so
imagine how much ninety dollars was that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Well, they went down to about forty five I think
right before the demise, but as soon as the DVD
culture came in, it was over. So yeah, like it
was a big hit. And then the next big hit
was porn Hub, which was like fucking hell, man, I
almost went bankrupt. I'm like, dude, I was on the fence,
you know, because I'd send them a list of all
I'd sit up in Scotch and what have you, and

(01:10:13):
I'd send him email after email hundreds and hundreds links
going you got to take this down on this piracy.
They're stealing from me. And they facilitated that and made
tons of money off of us, you know. And I
still don't agree with that at all, and they don't
allow it now of course, but like they let it
happen for well over a decade, and it crushed a

(01:10:34):
lot of people, like in an why would I have
to pay? I was at a party in Detroit and
backstage and hanging out with some guy something. He goes,
you're Johnny Dorco, right, and I'm like, yeah, cool whatever,
and he's like, I love your porn. He goes, I
haven't paid for it or anything. And I get this bouncer.
I go, get this guy the fuck out of here,

(01:10:54):
and he grabs him by the back of the neck
and drags him out and throws him out of this event.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
I love it when people say that, like there's a
badge of like I've never paid for that. Wow for you,
thanks so much for like not supporting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:05):
Capitalism really kills you, right, Yeah, it's so stilly, but
that the period now, I mean, the influx of girls
is higher, but uh not in a good way because
everyone wants to do it, you know, so everyone wants
to do it, and so you get thousands of emails
that need to be erased.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
And you find that the quality of talent is not
necessarily better.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
Yeah. I think it's just it's oversaturated. Yeah, and that's
why everyone who's been killing it, you know, like Shari
and Angela and like they're at the top of their
game because they're so good at what they do. You know,
they're the they're the doctors of what they do. They understand
it completely and they deliver a product that's amazing. And
you know, when you meet somebody like Angela, it's for real.

(01:11:51):
There's no no bullshit, it's for real. It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
It is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
It is, and to be around it and then you know,
because I'm for real and we're like we're doing this
and we're going to make something insane.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
Yeah, So it's crazy. Like you see her like in
her eyes, just like devour.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
I mean, as soon as you say action, it's like,
holy shit, man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
You know, she's not faking it. And I've seen a
lot of girls fake.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
It, and she's so like I love that. She's kind
of become the voice of the business because there couldn't
be a better person because she's so intelligent. Of course
she's beautiful, but like she's smart and she doesn't get
had by people that want to get a SoundBite off
of her. You know, they want to get a piece
and it's like, no, not doing it. Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
And you know what else I love about her too,
is that like after all this time and after like
how big she's become, like she's still the same person.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
She is so the same.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
She hasn't become like a so rounded. She still like
knows everybody's name and the crew. She talks to everybody
like she treats everyone the same.

Speaker 3 (01:12:48):
You'll never have her talking down to anyone. Yeah, which
is great, laugh and joy, it's hilarious. We have a
great time. And she has the same affliction with Rick
Owens designer. Oh she loves me too. We'll go out
and she's like, I got my ric Ohens boots on
this and me too, she last on it. But is

(01:13:09):
your question is what's the difference now? And did you
ask me where it's going? Did you ask me?

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
I didn't, But if you have an idea about where it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Going, I really don't because I think we're in really
weird times with the AI thing. As soon as people
get conditioned to be turned on by AI, it's over.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Do you think that's going to happen eventually?

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
People the technology is going to be there. Once the
technology is there, I mean, people will still the human concept,
the whole desire thing. We look at each other like, oh,
your legs are beautiful, Like that's always going to be there.
You're never gonna dull that down. But I think that
once technology gets a grasp of people, then it's going
to be a different situation. And then by then, like
what are you gonna do? You're gonna compete with a

(01:13:54):
computer program that's running all night making a full length
movie in a day or something like what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
You don't think that people will still want like a
real human.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
I think yes, But do I think the masses will?
I don't know. Like I'm on the like, look at
now everyone's so desensitized Instagram and all this shit and TikTok.
It's like people become I think part of the problem
with what's happening is everyone's just become retarded, Like it's
just not even sensible what people are saying and doing anymore.
I'm like, everything's clickbait this that, and everyone's got the

(01:14:27):
intelligence of a goal or the gold dish, and it's
like I totally get I see it. And I mean
I've even made my trailers even smaller. I'm like, I'm
going to keep them tight, like I don't need to
be three minutes before I'd be like, no, no, no,
it's like that over by.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Yeah, it's going to be like thirty seconds.

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
Yes, yeah. So but I'm fortunate enough to know that
I'm not going to have to deal with it. I'm
pretty happy about that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Oh yeah, we talked about that. You said you're going
to be dead, so you're not worried about it, whereas
I have a kid, so I like have so much
anxiety about the future.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
My quote is, I've never been happier knowing I'm going
to die.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
I literally had my daughter played soccer yesterday, and I
am such a soccer mom, and I went and had
set around. We had played it with all the soccer
parents afterwards, and no, it was sadly bagels and Starbucks,
and we all set around and talked about how fearful
we are for our children's future. And it was a

(01:15:22):
route ai.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
You know, like they say, well, you know, their kids
are depressed, and I'm like, when I was a kid,
I was the furthest from being depressed.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:30):
We were out all night, drinking tabs, jumping shit on bikes,
going as far as we could. We would ride our
bikes as far as we could go, you know, like
we try, can we make forty miles and then get
back home? Yeah, you know, but that's how we lived.
And now it's like everyone's just like go to an airport. Like,
I never am on my phone at the airport. I
just want people watch because I just want to watch

(01:15:52):
people just being total zombies.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
Like it's kind of a thing, right, feel.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
I feel like that's the place to be on your
phone tho, because there's don't I just.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Like to walk around I like to. I don't. I don't. Yeah,
I just not into it because I feel like I'm
just part of the cog in the wheel.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Yeah, like a fuck you know plause.

Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
I love people watching, but I don't know, I don't
know where it's all going to go, you know. Mike
Quayser asked me some years ago on an interview, and
I'm like, dude, I don't know it'll be gone, you know,
I just can't. I can't see doing this in my seventies. Like,
I still don't think that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
So what are you going to do when you retire?

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Hopefully you go fishing a lot. You like to fish, Yeah,
go to Montana in two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
I do a lot of little disappearing trips just to
get away from everything. This place I go in Montana.
I found it because I was watching back when I
had a television, which was a long time ago. I
don't even have a TV.

Speaker 4 (01:16:50):
Wow, I got rid of all that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:51):
I can have a computer that set. So I'm watching
this one of those commercials, Oh a cell service, and
I see this giant swath of red. I'm like, what
the fuck is there? There's no cell service there. I
need to go there. So I looked it up. I'm like,
what do people do here? Like, Oh, they go fly fishing.
I'm like, perfect, let's go fly fishing. And now that's
my thing and I do it all the time. I
do it like several times a year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Oh my god, that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Yeah, because I just love to get away, Like, you know,
this business is really just it's pulsing and seething constantly.
You're constantly, you know, I'm constantly shooting for multiple movies
at the same time, trying to have this niche, this
niche kind of thing. And then you know, editing and
photos and retouching and all the whole gamut of things

(01:17:33):
you have to do in order to get the product out.
So when I and I can't do a staycation, it
won't happen. So I have to disappear. I just like
sometimes I'd be like, ah, talk to you when I
talk to you, because I'd be in place with no
cell service. If you need to reach me, get a helicopter.
I'm in the middle of nowhere. You know, I love it.

(01:17:54):
I sit there in the silence. I'll sit there in
a cabin in the middle of nowhere and just be like, perfect,
this is perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It sounds to me like you have your work life
balance down pretty well, but.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
I should be doing more.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
But you know, yeah, well you can save it up
for because of your seventies and you can do it
all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
I'm working on it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
I'm working on it. Well. Thank you so much for
coming in, Johnny. I appreciate it. I actually do have
some questions for you for my Patreon members, which we
will do in a separate segment in the meantime, can
you tell everybody where they can find you online? Please?

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Yes. Evil Angel dot com is the main website, and
then my alternate is dark O d A r kko
tv dot com. Starting to do MTV thing m.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
I like it TV. For anybody who remembers MTV when
it wasn't all the reality TV shows.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
Well it's just video after video, but yeah, that's it,
and I have I'm on some of the tube sites,
but you know, it's been tough for me because like
the tube sites almost killed me. So like there's a
part of me that's just really anti tube. And John
feels the same way. Yeah, like porn. I haven't uploaded
to porn Hub in so long.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
Just yea bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Yeah, thank you for almost killing me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
And you guys can find me on Instagram at Holly Randall,
on Twitter or x at Holly Randall if you want to. Yeah,
if you want to support this podcast and watch these
episodes streamed live and get access to bonus Q and
a's like we're about to do now, go to Patreon
dot com, Slash Holly Randall and Filtered. Go to hollylinks

(01:19:32):
dot com for access to all of my platforms. Thank
you guys so much for joining us, and I will
see you next week.

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