January 20, 2024 • 51 mins
I Love Kelowna episode 243. A deep dive into the world of chiropractic care with Dr. Graham Jenkins of Lighthouse Chiropractic.
Chiropractic treatments go way beyond just addressing back pain. Experts like Dr. Jenkins have successfully treated conditions like colic in infants, thyroid issues, and much more.
Dr. Jenkins shares his journey from Ontario to Kelowna, insights into the evolution of chiropractic care, and his experience with the recent West Kelowna wildfires.
Join us for an enlightening conversation on the holistic benefits of chiropractic treatments and our personal stories from Kelowna.
Featured Guest: Dr. Graham Jenkins
For more insights on chiropractic care and wellness, visit Dr. Graham Jenkins' YouTube channel: @LighthouseKelowna
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Graham, it's great to see you.
I think we're coming up on sixyears since we did our interview
in 2018.
And you were episode numberfour, and this is going to be,
episode 243.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
No way, yeah, wow, that's impressive
Congratulations.
Yeah, no, thanks for having meon.
I love chatting with you and I,yeah, I think this is such a
great platform, so thanks forthe invite.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Right, thank you.
Thank you for coming and, kara,my wife is a client of yours
and she raves about your workand you told me a lot in 2018
about what chiropractic work isall about, and you mentioned
(00:46):
that you even do chiropracticwork on infants sometimes.
Where they have, you can havespinal issues and different
things.
Yeah, just if you don't mind,just give us a little overview
of what chiropractic work is forpeople who don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay, yeah, well, chiropractors deal with the
spine just like your dentistwould deal with the teeth or
your cardiologist deals with theheart.
So your spine and nervoussystem is, in my opinion, the
most important system in thebody because it controls
everything else.
The brain basically controlsall other nine organ systems.
(01:23):
Spines basically got two majorfunctions.
One is to hold you uprightagainst gravity, and that's your
posture and everybody,unfortunately in North America,
our lifestyle is not very kindto our posture and our structure
Right.
But the second thing is yourspine is like an armor coating
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or an armor plating, a shieldfor your spinal cord and so that
spinal cord exits from the baseof the skull out through 33
pairs of spinal nerve ruse andsupplies every cell, tissue and
organ in your body.
So even though someone may cometo me and say, doc, I've got a
(02:04):
pain in my mid back or my neckhurts or I've got headaches,
sciatica, oftentimes when we'reworking to rehabilitate their
spine and their posture, we seesome really cool organic stuff
happen.
I've had people whose thyroidconditions you're no longer
taking thyroid medications.
Digestive issues have clearedup asthma.
(02:25):
That's a big one.
The respiratory challenges,because if you maximize your
nerve flow, we use this termcalled subluxation.
Subluxation is like a dam inthe river that blocks off that
nerve flow from the brain out tothese vital areas of the body
so that life force, energy isn'tgetting to that end organ.
(02:50):
So it's really cool to see howholistic chiropractic can be for
a lot of people.
I know it's sort of been stuckin the neck pain, back pain
category in most people's minds.
But you mentioned we do infantwork, we do seniors.
My joke is anybody with a spineis a good chiropractic
(03:11):
candidate.
Just like, once you have teeth,the dentist wants to make sure
those teeth are healthy.
So oftentimes things like colic, chronic, recurrent ear
infections that seems to havebeen parents talk, mom's talk,
so I've got my fair share of earinfection kids that we've
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really been able to help.
And whether it's the birthprocess itself, because that's
pretty traumatic, whether it's anormal delivery or a C-section,
that little infant spine ispretty delicate.
Yeah, so I could talk for avery long time about
chiropractic, but hopefullythat's the nuts and bolts of it
(03:54):
for you.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, so you mentioned it could help with
colic.
So is that an adjustment?
Like the baby's spine is out ofkilter?
What is that?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, often the upper part of the neck.
So the cervical spine is theneck.
So the upper cervical spine isreally at risk because in the
modern day delivery they use alot of rotation to rotate the
shoulders.
So they're actually rotatingthe neck to get the shoulders to
follow Right, so that, if youcan imagine, we've got videos of
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normal deliveries where thepoor little infant's head is
actually rotated back beyond theshoulder.
So yeah, that's not a normalposition.
So that will leave a subluxationin that upper cervical area and
so that interferes withsomething we call the
sympathetic nervous system.
So I don't know if you've heardof parasympathetic birth as
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sympathetic.
Parasympathetic is what is likejacked after a nice turkey
dinner and you just want to laydown on the couch and sleep.
You know, sympathetic is thatkind of stress response.
So generally, if it's aheightened sympathetic response
because of a subluxation in theupper cervical spine, that
infant is a really goodcandidate and it's super gentle.
(05:14):
My profs, when they wereteaching us how to adjust
instruments or adjust infants,they said you know, imagine what
it would take to dint a loaf ofbread.
You don't want to use any morepressure than that, Right?
So obviously the kind ofpressure I use for someone like
yourself or Cara, I would notuse with an infant Right and
(05:35):
yeah, and it's, I tell you.
Talk about happy moms afterthey've not slept for you know,
multiple weeks because of acolicky baby.
Oftentimes it's like one or twovisits and the moms are just
like blown away, which is reallycool.
It's to be part of that.
And yeah, talk about achiropractic, you know.
(05:56):
Advocate for life.
Yeah, After that, the mom'stalk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, which I knew, you, my two girls.
They had it pretty bad but itwas like six, seven months.
It wasn't like super long, butit's just very you know, you
just feel for the child so muchyou want to help them and then
you're getting frustratedbecause you're not getting
enough sleep and yeah, it'spretty tough, but it's a
wonderful feeling when itfinally goes away.
(06:21):
It goes away.
I wish I knew you back then.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's unfortunately chiropractic.
Could do a better job ofexplaining ourselves, because
there's a lot of myths and justmisunderstanding about
chiropractic, especially modernday chiropractic.
That unfortunately just keeps alot of people out of our office
because they're scared, becausethey don't know right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Right and is it the same, like is it something
everybody studies?
So, like with my real estatelicense, we've got a set of
protocols and of course there'sdifferences in personality types
and the way we sell, but therules, the procedures, are
exactly the same for everysingle agent in the process.
(07:05):
Is it different, like, arethere different specialties or
are there different ways you cando things?
Or any controversy about howchiropractic should be done?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, there's always lots of controversy.
Come on, we're dealing with abunch of people right, so
they're hippies.
But no, depending on yourjurisdiction.
So obviously I practiced inOntario for the first 12 years
of my career, differentjurisdiction in BC.
But inside Canada it's prettystandard.
Where it gets a littledifferent is some states are
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different.
We have different licensingboards depending on what
jurisdiction you're in.
So if there are any nuancesthat sort of gets dealt with at
the licensure level.
But yeah, that is one thing Iwish my profession would mature
a little bit more in that,because we're just talking about
kids and chiropractic.
(08:03):
Well, there are doctors thatreally specialize in pediatrics
and man.
They are Like I learn a tonwhen I talk to these
chiropractors because that's allthey do.
Unfortunately I'm one of onlytwo advanced certified
biophysics practitioners in allof Western Canada, so that's
taken a fair bit of study to getthere.
(08:23):
So that means we deal withscoliosis, really advanced
postural deformities.
Now we deal with people whoaren't as advanced, but we tend
to be the place that otherchiropractors refer to when
they're really struggling withthe case.
We've got a full hospital gradedigital x-ray.
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The level of clinical excellenceis very different but in
British Columbia, just likethose pediatric specialists, we
can't distinguish ourselves andsay, hey, you know what, we're
an advanced certified biophysicsoffice and this is possibly we
might differentiate our care sopeople can kind of self-select.
(09:07):
They can walk in anybody'soffice and think that they're
going to get the same.
So it would be nice, like withmedicine, where you have people
who are neurologists.
So it's a very differentpractice than somebody who's a
cardiologist or a physiatristand patients tend to.
(09:28):
I know getting to a specialistlike that takes a referral.
But I think, as far as servingthe public, it would be nice if
we had at least some kind of wayto designate docs that are more
further along in specializationso people can be a little bit
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more discerning when they callup whichever office they call.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So has the profession evolved?
Is this something that's kindof ancient, like people have
been doing this for centuries oreven millennia, or is it
something that's relativelymodern and with research and
over time, sometimes withmedicine, there's new
developments, new ways ofapproaching it.
Has it changed much in the sixyears since we spoke?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, certainly our practice has.
Yeah, but speaking to the, hascare practice been around for a
while?
Well, there's documentation ofmanual work, spinal work,
postural work, structural work.
Back in the ancient Egyptthere's actually hieroglyphics
(10:45):
of people, what we would callmanipulating the spine.
Now it's pretty barbaric, butyeah, and for years and years
and years a lot of the elites inEurope had bone setters.
So bone setters it kind of fitswith what you would understand
about chiropractic.
(11:05):
But yeah, it's sort of modernday chiropractic.
It's been around probably about125 years or so and ironically,
the man who was credited withsort of delivering the first
chiropractic adjustment was afellow by the name of DD Palmer
and he was born and raised.
(11:25):
He didn't eventually stay there, but he was born and raised in
Port Perry, ontario.
So Canadian, it's a Canadianshtick which is pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Interesting.
So you started in Ontario.
Why did you move to Kelowna?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Kelowna.
Well, I've said a lot of peoplelike it's really hard to
compare to BC, right?
So a lot of Ontario people say,oh, aren't you glad you're in
Ontario?
We loved Ontario.
It was incredible.
We lived up in cottage countryand so I have nothing but great
memories of Ontario.
(12:07):
I just say, basically where wemoved, kind of the
Skolka-Helliburton area a lot ofsmall little lakes, a lot of
boating, a lot of outdooractivity Kelowna is just kind of
like that area on steroids,like the hills are mountains,
right, the lakes are massive.
(12:27):
So when we I came here, actuallyfor a chiropractic conference,
ironically, and I brought it wasin the spring, I brought out my
winter gear because it was,like, you know, tons of snow,
but it was March out here and Ilanded.
I'm like I actually had to goto the store to buy a pair of
running shoes because all I had.
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I'm like I'm not leaving Canada.
So, you know, and I didn't doany research before I showed up,
you know, and it's like full onbeautiful spring.
I think I landed like the yearwhere it was like might as well
have been July in Ontario.
So yeah, and we were actuallylooking for a change.
We were in a small ruralcommunity, so I was looking to
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move into a larger area becauseof the work I do tends to be a
little bit more specialized.
I had a couple of offices thathad offered me positions at that
time, and so my wife and I wereconsidering that.
Our kids were still prettyyoung, so it was easy to make a
move.
But, yeah, when I landed hereI'm looking around going, okay,
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international Airport at thetime the university was just
kind of getting spun up I waslike for the size of the city to
be in a city that had that manyservices, ontario, it had to be
about three times that size,more like the kind of London,
ontario or those kind of largerareas.
And we still work at rural atheart.
You know, we like the outdoors,we're really connected to
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nature, yeah.
So you know, kelowna was like,okay, it's going to take us just
as much effort to move threehours away versus, you know,
across the country because youhave to sell everything anyway,
right.
So, yeah, and I tell you, luke,we have never looked back.
I am, yeah, I've had a coupleof colleagues move out here
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because of we're just so, youknow, talking about how
wonderful, yeah, and they seeour Facebook posts.
You know, yeah, yeah so one ofmy best friends from Cal Private
School.
He lives about a dozen housesdown from us.
Yeah, so, yeah it's kind ofneat.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, we had a similar experience and most
people I talked to thatexperience like that.
Either they were vacationinghere or they randomly came here
for some reason, like aconference or, and then we fall
in love with this place once we,once we see it.
So there was no dispute betweenyou and your wife.
(14:53):
It was like let's do this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh, no.
Yeah, no, we did end upbringing the kids out for a week
over their school break.
We did a week at Big White, butironically again, so that would
have been the next spring.
Ironically, you know, it wasbasically me and my son that
stayed at Big White becausethere was no one.
We loved skiing and Jan and thegirls were in town shopping and
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just enjoying the spring right,and so they're in shorts and
T-shirts and we're skiing andyeah.
So I don't know how much skiingJan did that holiday, but it was
enough.
I think she might actuallystarted looking at houses at
that point in time too, so yeah,Do you remember what year that
was?
It would have been 2005 and2006.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Wow yeah, so you've seen a ton of changes I've seen
since 2011 and lots of changes,but you mentioned that your
business has changed in the lastsix years, so tell us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Some of the changes yeah, well, we've added some
team members.
So since we spoke last we'veactually increased our just
square footage.
So we're a larger clinic and weare truly now a
multidisciplinary clinic.
With massage therapy, we have afascial stretch therapist,
we've got two otherchiropractors, we've got really
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kind of well-rounded group ofpractitioners that work together
and yeah, so with thatexpansion it's given me with the
two younger docs I can sort oflet them handle sort of not the
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simpler cases but cases thatmaybe don't need the
specialization like I have.
So that's allowed me to studyand kind of research and work on
my advanced certification.
So this advanced certificationin chiropractic biophysics takes
quite a while.
So I actually started studyingthis stuff in 1997.
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So that's longer than some ofmy patients have been alive.
So that's how I know how old Iam.
But now, yeah, there's I thinkthere's maybe eight of us in all
of Canada that have that levelof certification.
Like I said, we're the only.
There's another clinic thatdoes scoliosis work with us.
So they do bracing for us.
(17:29):
But I'm going to give you alittle teaser here.
I just acquired another clinicin town.
I can't say who, but basicallythey'll bring that level, so
we'll.
So we'll be up to five chiro's.
We're going to have to do a bigexpansion to be able to do that
, but we're still going to be inthe landmark buildings just
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moving building over.
Are you going into the newtower?
Are you going to do that?
No, no, yeah.
So QHR, the big medical EHR,it's an electronic health record
company.
With COVID they sent most oftheir people to work at home and
they realized we don't needfour floors throughout the
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landmark building, so they'recondensing down to one.
So we're taking actually overthe main floor or a portion of
the main floor, probably a thirdof the main floor of landmark
number five.
So that's very cool.
A little bit.
I don't know if I should besharing all of that, but anyway
it's, it's happening, so it'sjust yeah.
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So that'll actually put usprobably little Kelowna.
We will have probably the mostspecialized and largest
chiropractic clinic in Canadaand certainly the most certified
and the most as far as clinicalexcellence.
And I'm not speaking like Istarted as a traditional
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chiropractor.
I never speak ill, I just amthis kind of nut for learning,
you know.
So yeah, so that'll be reallycool.
So probably this summer we'llbe moving into that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It takes a while for construction to happen with, you
know, kelowna the realtor, yeah, Well, it's kind of the same
everywhere, it's like but oh, isit Okay, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that'sone side.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, that's one side .
And I've done a big study withUBC on how the work we do
impacts human immune function.
So we also have the designationof being the only clinical
practice in chiropractic doingresearch with a leading Canadian
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university.
And again, when you get thekind of qualifications we have,
it opens up a lot of doors.
You know, and I'm a bigbeliever in never, ever, ever
being the smartest guy in theroom, right, so I've had an
opportunity to be around somejust incredibly inspiring people
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.
So we've been working with DrJonathan Little, who is an
exercise physiologist who has animmune lab with UBCO.
And, yeah, we went through thegrant process with an
organization out of Australia.
So the Australia's finalresearch foundation granted us
the funds to be able to do thisstudy and we've been working
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with Jonathan for four years andit looks like I just got an
email this morning from the gradstudent saying I should have
the preliminary data out to youguys next week.
Incredible, wow, yeah, so, yeah, so not sitting around.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So for your new location or your expanded
location, it makes sense tomerge those like not keep the
old location of the businessyou're acquiring, keep
everything under one roof, rightAdministrative.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, we talked about kind of having a satellite
clinic, but it's just, I likethe idea of everybody being
together.
I just think it's good for teamand because we do tend to have
a ton of communication betweenpractitioners if I think we'd
lose sort of theinterconnectedness of the kind
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of different disciplines if wehad two locations.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So that makes sense.
So tell us a little more aboutthat.
You were saying how there'sresearch that's showing that
chiropractic has an effect onthe immune system.
That's kind of surprising forme to hear.
What is the connection?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, well, again coming back to that sympathetic,
parasympathetic response, mostpeople understand that when
you're under stress your immunesystem is downregulated, so
that's why stress is so horrible.
But people don't reallyunderstand the neurology behind
that.
So it is orchestrated by yourneurology, so the stress impacts
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the brain that cranks up yoursympathetic side or that fight
or flight side, whether you'rethinking peaceful thoughts or
not.
Once that brain gets on a mybrother and I used to call this
once your brain gets on abreakaway, it's really hard to
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catch up.
There's the ultimate Canadiananalogy there for neurology, but
yeah, so basically then thesympathetics start to really
inhibit the cells of the humanimmune system that combat.
We call them pathogens.
So that's bacteria, that'sviruses, that's things that we
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don't even know yet, thatthey're discovering.
I was just over at the blood labor the immune lab this week
talking to the kid that's.
I call them kids, they're gradstudents, they're almost doctors
, so I need to be morerespectful.
It's just I'm really gettingold, they're kind of my kids age
.
So I'm like, okay, but yeah, hewas explaining to me just what
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they're discovering now and yeah, so, as somebody's under
chiropractic care and we calmdown their immune or their nerve
system.
No-transcript kind ofhyperactivity.
That's probably a good term.
Probably a pure neurologyresearcher would cringe at me
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talking like this, but I'm aclinician first so I often make
things pretty simple.
So yeah, as you calm down thathyperactivity on the nerve
system and it up regulates yourimmune function.
So we've got research back asfar as 1993.
I think one of the mostgroundbreaking studies was done
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in Atlanta at the beginning ofthe, basically doctors
identifying HIV AIDS.
So the homeless communities inthese like Atlanta was a really
hot spot.
La was another hot spot, sanFrancisco, like there was just a
few hot spots in the Statesthat were just crazy right, and
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there was a chiropractic schoolthere that had a downtown
drop-in clinic for the streetcommunity or marginalized people
and so they were doing bloodwork on these people with this
disease.
They didn't understand and thepeople that were getting their
practice care had between a twoto 400% increase in immune
function versus the people whoweren't.
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Wow, yeah, and again superrudimentary, like talking to the
guys at UBCO, like the waythey're analyzing cells now is
just way more complicated.
I always when I read that studyI probably came across that
study in about 1995, and Ithought we need to do this one
again, only on regular people,now, just the average person
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walking in.
Do we have an impact to thatdegree on their immune function?
And little did I know thatCOVID and the whole world would
blow up and people would bereally caring about their immune
function, and so, yeah, so itwas kind of a neat.
So, anyway, we've got somereally good preliminary research
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, and so we're just waiting forour data to come in.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Interesting Is that because they're sleeping on hard
surfaces and they don't havegood support for the back and
their neck, and was that a causeof yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, like I'm obviously a structural guy yeah,
that's kind of my world, likeposture and structure, because I
explained that.
But any chiropractic adjustmentwill stimulate your nerve
system.
So we're just talking aboutthat sympathetic,
parasympathetic.
Obviously, when we're talkingabout infants and the colic and
that kind of parasympathetic andsympathetic, you don't worry
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about an infant's posture.
They're not even standing upyet, right?
They're just laying up.
We'll see.
Yeah, so it's far more reachingthan posture.
It's just that posture is whatwe're seeing in most of the
adult population and it's a goodoutcome measure.
So, yeah, so we're talking moreabout nerve system function
rather than just structure.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right, right, but the homelessness is probably a
contributing factor, I'mguessing, to some of these
issues that the people you'restudying.
You know like.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I noticed by having a bad pillow.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
If I'm in a hotel with that bad pillow like I'm
not right, the next day.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, no, and it's really.
When I first moved into KelownaI did a little bit of
volunteering downtown and wasgoing down once a week to help
out with one of theorganizations that helped the
street community.
So I'd adjust for maybe an houror two on my lunch break and,
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oh my word, these poor guys arespines.
But they were superappreciative, oh, but but yeah,
you're just like wow, they'rereally beat up.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, you told me six years ago that it's really a
process, like a person can seeimmediate improvement from a
single treatment.
Yeah, it's important for themto do it on a therapeutic basis,
like on a continuous basis.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, it really depends on kind of what your
goals are.
So our office is very slantedtowards more of a lifestyle
approach.
So I often it's not a greatanalogy but it's a good analogy
like you're working out, likeany workout is positive for your
body, but the best type ofworkout is one that's backed up
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with another workout and anotherworkout.
So oftentimes what we'redealing with is structural
patterns.
So you as a realtorunfortunately you're in front of
a computer yeah, you're drivingaround in your car showing
people like you're probably moreactive than most accountants.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
They're just right out of screen accountants and
lawyers.
But if you think about sort ofthe patterns that are negatively
impacting your posture, youwould really have to do a full
lifestyle renal, probably changecareers to get rid of the
negative impacts.
And nobody's going to do thatRight.
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And even if you go from realtorto another profession, you're
probably still going to besitting in front of the computer
yes, you know your professionalpodcaster while you're sitting
in front of the computer.
Now, you know.
So all these things contributeon a daily basis.
So that's why we're generallyseeing people either weekly or
every other week to reset them,retrain them.
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And we've finally got to thepoint where we're and Kara's
going to find this next time shesees me we're going to.
We're actually graduating ourpatients to a full posture-based
mirror image adjustment.
So we're basically taking yourx-rays and your posture, putting
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you in your mirror image andadjusting you in that, because
that actually has more of animpact on the brain, so
long-term it'll have betterresults for people.
Yeah, Very cool.
Yeah, and that's yeah, it isreally cool.
So that whole kind of Frank theCrank thing I joke about it,
that's kind of how I started.
Yeah, that Frank the Crank kindof chiropractic is is going
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away Right, and I've had somepatients because I am good at
that.
I've had patients come to mesaying oh, I know that you're a
really good manual adjuster andI've graduated them into mirror
image adjusting and they're likeoh, wow, that was like like
they get up off the table goingwow, I feel different.
Yeah, yeah, very cool.
Yeah, it's just a whole otherlevel which is cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Very cool this this summer, another beautiful part
of the world.
Here we had some horribleforest fires and I know you, you
were kind of directly or inlike in some ways directly
impacted because you had to takedetours and some homes.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh yeah, you know that was stressful.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm a prettytough nut, but man, those three
weeks I was, it really impactedme.
It was something else.
So if you want the full story,I basically came back.
We had seen the smoke kind ofover on the west side.
We're fortunate We've moved toa community that's right on the
(30:47):
lake, which is just real blessed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Are you on the Kelowna side or west?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Kelowna side.
No, we're out McKinley Beachnow.
You're a realtor, you know whatthat is, so yeah, so we're
right on McKinley Beach Driveand we just get full.
You know, we can see that wholewest side.
It's just beautiful.
So we were sort of watching thesmoke a little bit.
(31:12):
It was kind of down towards thecity and deeper into west
Kelowna, as you know, kind ofwhere the fire started.
We're sort of watching it, kindof that.
Tuesday night, the Wednesday, Icame home on the Thursday night
and all of a sudden thatThursday night was the night
that it blew up and over.
We just started seeing it justkind of come down all the way
(31:33):
across in front of our place onthe far side and then, you know,
I don't know, it was 10 or 11o'clock at night it skipped over
and landed up near Knox.
So basically we're like shoot,if that wind keeps going, we're
right in the line of fire.
So we packed up, we went intotown and stayed in town that
(31:57):
night.
Basically it just kind ofcircled our little community,
like the McKinley Beach area andwe.
But the problem is it was up,you know, it was behind us, it
was on either side of us.
So we were this little pocketin the middle.
So the first night we wereactually able to come back the
next morning and we stayed theday, but I had to go back into
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work the next day.
So basically I got separatedfrom my wife and our dog.
You know which was?
It was definitely moretraumatic being separated from
my wife than my dog.
Just I got to make that clearhere.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But you worry about the pets too because, like
they're almost right, it's sostress-dressed yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And the smell of smoke, like you could tell.
He was just like on edge thewhole time.
So you know, we sort of were onpins and needles.
Our actual community was neveron evacuation, we were just on
alert, but areas around us wereon evacuation orders.
So, depending on kind of theday or literally the hour, I
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could either get home.
So I'm still trying to go backto work and back and forth
looking after patients.
So most of my time I was goingall the way to Winfield and
driving back down Glenmore Roadto get back to our community.
And yeah, so we were out maybefour nights before we could get
(33:25):
back in.
But yeah, just, I was a reallysweet officer.
She was from out of town.
Once she found out she musthave had somebody in healthcare,
Because once she found out Iwas a doctor, she's like okay,
we're just going to open up foryou so you can get back and have
(33:45):
a sleep.
And then I said I'm going to beback here at 7 o'clock in the
morning because I got to getback to work.
She's like no problem.
So my shifts kind of neared hershifts and she's super
compassionate.
So I was very thankful for herbecause, yeah, just that being
able to come home and everythingwas fine.
And yeah, it was prettystressful three weeks for us.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah no doubt there was some disorganization.
I heard some criticism.
I don't know if we need to talkabout it on this episode, but
I've heard.
You know not everybody washappy with the, but I know the
firefighters and a lot ofvolunteers did a tremendous job
and under tremendous pressure.
But I heard rumors that, youknow, some of the fire bombers
(34:31):
were cut back and you know likesome of the resources that we
should have had weren't in place.
Yeah, something else.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, I would have thought.
Ironically, my brother was onthe.
He's with the Ministry ofNatural Resources in Ontario, so
he was on the 03 fire so hecame out to support and he's a
pretty bright guy, you know.
And yeah, he was prettydisappointed with kind of how
(35:04):
that fire went down.
You know he felt that it couldhave been a little different
approach.
Not the guys on the ground, Notlike the people he was working
with.
He was impressed, they werehard working, but just the yeah,
yeah.
Some of the higher up decisions,yeah, yeah, and unfortunately I
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kind of like well, he wasobviously quite interested in
what was going on and, from whatI could tell, I kind of shared
with him and he's like man, Idon't think they learned
anything from 03.
And so, again, he's afirefighting professional.
He worked his way up, he was afire prevention officer way high
up in the Ministry of NaturalResources, so he didn't stay on
(35:49):
the ground for his entire career.
But yeah, it's just.
It's disappointing that whenfires are so prevalent in our
area, why we can't just havesome, you know some resources
that are just for the Okanagan?
I know people say well, youknow we can't.
(36:09):
It's like I wouldn't mindpaying a little bit extra on my
taxes If I knew there was threewater bombers sitting out at the
Colen Airport.
I'm not going to complain aboutthat one bit, especially after
what I saw, so that they couldget on those fires like soon as
they see smoke.
You know not wait.
So I don't know, I probablysaid some things that offended
(36:30):
people.
But Well no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think it was pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's just sad, you know, because there's we had
friends.
Well, I guess you know Ange.
Ange lost her home.
You remember Ange from theSales Lead Network?
Yeah, yeah, and such abeautiful home and artesian work
.
Like they're not going to beable to get that recreated.
You know, as a German, yeah, Iwas just and you look at that
(36:58):
going, oh, yeah, you just it's adevastating thing.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, we went through the hurricane in the
Cayman Islands in 2004.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Oh, right, and that was.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You know it's something you never forget.
So I would say I was a littlebit calmer this time because you
know we lost, like physically,we lost everything.
So I had a ton of books, I usedto collect shoes.
I used to collect a bunch ofshoes and then all my books, all
(37:32):
my clothes, like all mypersonal effects.
So everything was either fullof molds or Looted.
So people were so desperatelike I actually went out for
something to eat a few monthslater and someone was wearing my
shoes I was like he probablybought them off of someone who
looted them.
Like yeah, I wasn't gonna accusethis guy of going into my yeah,
(37:54):
I'm gonna say but yeah, it'sreally kind of kind of shocking
and for me I was just like ittook a couple of years to
emotionally get over it.
But yeah, I just Tried tobecome a little more Buddhist,
you know, like a little lessattached to Objects, like I can
appreciate things, I love things, I love my car, I love my home,
(38:17):
you know.
But I just got a little bitless Hopefully a little bit less
attached to material things,but we were really worried.
But Karen and I were getting onthe airplane to go to Edmonton
to see her parents and that thatwas Thursday and we were flying
and out of the one side of theairplane we could see the bright
(38:37):
orange all down West Cologne,yeah, and then we had to run to
car to get back because wecouldn't, we couldn't get back
and oh, there's no flightscoming back in.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, and then where you?
How close were you guys to sortof leading, leading edge of the
fire?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Like we were not close at all, but we were kind
of right in the center, like welive Gordon and Gooshigan, so we
were never even under alert,but our Teenage daughters were.
Here are two cats and we werelike, like, what are we gonna do
if we can't come back?
I said right, and the airquality was just so awful.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Like we, drove back and I couldn't even breathe.
Yeah.
No, the air quality of the citywas worse than out here, and
we're right in the middle of thefire.
So whatever the wind was doing,it just parked everything right
.
Yeah, in town, it was awfulyeah that was terrible.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But the fear of it kind of dissipated after a few
days.
We realized it wasn't gonna getcloser but the air quality was
terrible.
But yeah, that was, that wascrazy times.
I didn't think we'd actuallysee that in the city and
happened so fast, so fast, rightlike we heard about the fires.
And then it was like, like yousaid, thursday night it's jumped
(39:50):
over the lake and we could allsee on the just across the
bridge there was all brightorange, did you?
You remember the train to railmeant in Mississauga, ontario.
I think it was like 79 or 1980.
You and I would have beenpretty young.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, it was a huge.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So a Rail train went off the tracks right in the
middle of Mississauga andthere's, I think, 750,000 people
today that live there, but atthe time was more like 180,000.
It was like the size of Palomaand Bright orange flame shooting
up in the sky.
I was 11 years old and we hadto evacuate, but oh no, wasn't
(40:33):
really close to us but it waskind of cool as an 11 year old I
About because it was chlorinetanks and they were worried
about those going off.
Yeah, yeah he's in the air, butthese propane tanks we were
shooting off like firecrackersand we lived about six
kilometers from the accident andit was kind of cool as an 11
(40:58):
year old.
We got to go stay in a hotel,but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't
super scary for me, yeah, butyeah it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Good on your parents for not Transferring whatever
they were, stressing it out.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, to you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, that's cool man .
So mississauga boy, I didn'tknow that.
Yeah, that's where I grew up.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So downtown Toronto west and the Toronto,
mississauga, tobago, and then Ispent a lot of time, like you
did, up in cottage country, morethe peter bro side, a little
bit of a smoke up a morning, theHalliburton, you know,
peterborough, bob Cajun, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, the real.
When I was in high school I wasI paid my way kind of through
my summers and Saved up foruniversity as a landscaper,
right, and Baptiste Lake waswhere the Bear naked ladies had
(42:02):
a cottage over, yeah, and so Iactually did some landscaping on
the property because there wasa couple chiropractors that
owned a Peninsula and so theywere over there and so I was
doing some tree removal for themand Whoever was looking after
the grounds?
I never met any of the the guys, right, but yeah, that's.
(42:23):
Yeah, there's some neat littlebands up in there and a lot of
creativity in that area, youknow.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So, yeah, cool, awesome, yeah so, graham, tell
us how do people get in touchwith you?
Is there social media wherethey can follow you and all the
research you're doing, all thecool stuff you're doing?
Or, yeah, make an appointmentwith your Business for a
consultation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, we're .
We're lighthouse car practice.
So I Believe our website here Iam not the greatest guy on this
, but Lighthouse health dot cais our but if you just type
lighthouse Kelowna, you'll getus, because we do have a fairly
broad Online presence.
(43:08):
I've got a YouTube channel thathas a lot of kind of the
exercises and posture basedmirror maj exercises.
If we give people, so peoplewant some free stuff just type
Graham Jenkins in YouTube orGraham Jenkins, kelowna and
you'll get.
There's probably 250 videosthat we've done over time.
(43:29):
You can look for re repositionor posture based exercises, and
Just because I've been so boredlately, I've actually written
two books.
So I've self published a couplebooks.
One's called reposition and soit's all about posture
restoration, so it's up onAmazon.
(43:49):
And then I wrote one on vitaminC because I've just found it's
a kind of simple but verypowerful Nutrients.
So, yeah, so we have lots, ofLots of social media.
I have my own kind of Dr GrahamJenkins professional Facebook
page and we're on Facebook aswell.
(44:10):
I don't really mind LinkedInthat much.
You as a realtor probably think.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I mean to me there's just too many things, like
there's too many platforms orother.
Just talk to people.
But it's great that you have aYouTube channel, because this is
going to be a YouTube channel.
And sometimes I'm just gonnashare the link on Facebook and
Instagram Maybe little clips,but I'm gonna focus on YouTube,
because that's where I spend themost time as a consumer On
(44:39):
social media is YouTube, and ofcourse, we still have the audio
version.
So our conversation will be onthe podcast platforms, but it
can be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
This video, yeah and is it okay for us?
Like, when it gets up, can wepush it out on our?
Yeah, yeah, please do.
We're gonna tag you.
Yeah, yeah, well, that'd begreat because we do.
You know, just, we just beendoing this for so long that we
do have a pretty good reach outthere, cool, and yeah, and if
(45:10):
people want to contact medirectly, I'm just dr Jay at
lighthouse lighthouse health dotca.
So dr J, like the Basketballplayer that, yeah, I had the big
hair.
Yeah, back, do you, and Iremember that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, dr J, yeah, so he was
(45:32):
the original dr J At atlighthouse health dot ca.
And I answer emails and try toget beat back to people and and
I'll maybe provide links toVideos that we've got on our so
I can direct people a little bitmore if they've.
They've got a specific questionand yeah, and all of the kairos
at lighthouse are reallytop-notch kairos.
We're in Monday throughSaturday, so the younger doctor
(45:56):
in on Saturday to cover therefor people that need to get on
the weekend.
So we really try to serve allweek long because People tend to
Need us at different times.
That's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thanks so much.
Do you want to nominate anyoneto come on the?
I love clone apocapsed yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Um you know what, Um Shoot.
And you can take a minute totalk about it as we can.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I said it's super easy to just chop.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, that would be great, I think.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
So someone you would enjoy hearing me interviews?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, listen to.
Yeah, you know I.
Is it okay to nominate a goodfriend?
Yeah, of course, yeah, okay,yeah.
So dr Mark Fulong, okay, is achiropractic college Colleague
of mine.
He's the guy that I said ismoved out from Ontario, followed
us out here the last few years.
How do you supposeF-o-u-l-o-n-g, o-n-g.
(47:10):
I can send you his contactinformation to you through the.
Yeah, so you've got that.
And he's done some really goodwork with our college board.
So, as you know, a lot ofpolitical organizations have
gone Very sideways, yeah, thelast five years.
(47:31):
Yeah, yes, so he's beeninvolved with sort of some legal
defense and organization to tryto help preserve the integrity
of our profession against sortof the intrusion from our
Chiropractic college.
So he's just a reallyinteresting guy.
He was quite involvedpolitically in Ontario as well
(47:53):
and, yeah, I've you, I wouldlove to, uh, have that
conversation.
Definitely get way more listensthan mine.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Oh, I don't know, but uh, that would be wonderful.
I'd like to interview you.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, I'll get him.
I'll get that information toyou so.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Pants have super Well .
Thank you for the conversation.
It's great to see you and, um,I should book an appointment
with you myself, because I thinkI said that in 2018.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah yeah well, you know where we are and I'm quite
certain Cara would be happy ifyou.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Awesome.
Well, thanks again, graham anduh.
Have a great day and enjoy yourweekend.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, we'll do, you don't care.
Graham, it's great to see you.
I think we're coming up on sixyears since we did our interview
in 2018.
And you were episode numberfour, and this is going to be,
episode 243.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
No way, yeah, wow, that's impressive
Congratulations.
Yeah, no, thanks for having meon.
I love chatting with you and I,yeah, I think this is such a
great platform, so thanks forthe invite.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Right, thank you.
Thank you for coming and, kara,my wife is a client of yours
and she raves about your workand you told me a lot in 2018
about what chiropractic work isall about, and you mentioned
(00:46):
that you even do chiropracticwork on infants sometimes.
Where they have, you can havespinal issues and different
things.
Yeah, just if you don't mind,just give us a little overview
of what chiropractic work is forpeople who don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay, yeah, well, chiropractors deal with the
spine just like your dentistwould deal with the teeth or
your cardiologist deals with theheart.
So your spine and nervoussystem is, in my opinion, the
most important system in thebody because it controls
everything else.
The brain basically controlsall other nine organ systems.
(01:23):
Spines basically got two majorfunctions.
One is to hold you uprightagainst gravity, and that's your
posture and everybody,unfortunately in North America,
our lifestyle is not very kindto our posture and our structure
Right.
But the second thing is yourspine is like an armor coating
(01:43):
or an armor plating, a shieldfor your spinal cord and so that
spinal cord exits from the baseof the skull out through 33
pairs of spinal nerve ruse andsupplies every cell, tissue and
organ in your body.
So even though someone may cometo me and say, doc, I've got a
(02:04):
pain in my mid back or my neckhurts or I've got headaches,
sciatica, oftentimes when we'reworking to rehabilitate their
spine and their posture, we seesome really cool organic stuff
happen.
I've had people whose thyroidconditions you're no longer
taking thyroid medications.
Digestive issues have clearedup asthma.
(02:25):
That's a big one.
The respiratory challenges,because if you maximize your
nerve flow, we use this termcalled subluxation.
Subluxation is like a dam inthe river that blocks off that
nerve flow from the brain out tothese vital areas of the body
so that life force, energy isn'tgetting to that end organ.
(02:50):
So it's really cool to see howholistic chiropractic can be for
a lot of people.
I know it's sort of been stuckin the neck pain, back pain
category in most people's minds.
But you mentioned we do infantwork, we do seniors.
My joke is anybody with a spineis a good chiropractic
(03:11):
candidate.
Just like, once you have teeth,the dentist wants to make sure
those teeth are healthy.
So oftentimes things like colic, chronic, recurrent ear
infections that seems to havebeen parents talk, mom's talk,
so I've got my fair share of earinfection kids that we've
(03:31):
really been able to help.
And whether it's the birthprocess itself, because that's
pretty traumatic, whether it's anormal delivery or a C-section,
that little infant spine ispretty delicate.
Yeah, so I could talk for avery long time about
chiropractic, but hopefullythat's the nuts and bolts of it
(03:54):
for you.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, so you mentioned it could help with
colic.
So is that an adjustment?
Like the baby's spine is out ofkilter?
What is that?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, often the upper part of the neck.
So the cervical spine is theneck.
So the upper cervical spine isreally at risk because in the
modern day delivery they use alot of rotation to rotate the
shoulders.
So they're actually rotatingthe neck to get the shoulders to
follow Right, so that, if youcan imagine, we've got videos of
(04:27):
normal deliveries where thepoor little infant's head is
actually rotated back beyond theshoulder.
So yeah, that's not a normalposition.
So that will leave a subluxationin that upper cervical area and
so that interferes withsomething we call the
sympathetic nervous system.
So I don't know if you've heardof parasympathetic birth as
(04:49):
sympathetic.
Parasympathetic is what is likejacked after a nice turkey
dinner and you just want to laydown on the couch and sleep.
You know, sympathetic is thatkind of stress response.
So generally, if it's aheightened sympathetic response
because of a subluxation in theupper cervical spine, that
infant is a really goodcandidate and it's super gentle.
(05:14):
My profs, when they wereteaching us how to adjust
instruments or adjust infants,they said you know, imagine what
it would take to dint a loaf ofbread.
You don't want to use any morepressure than that, Right?
So obviously the kind ofpressure I use for someone like
yourself or Cara, I would notuse with an infant Right and
(05:35):
yeah, and it's, I tell you.
Talk about happy moms afterthey've not slept for you know,
multiple weeks because of acolicky baby.
Oftentimes it's like one or twovisits and the moms are just
like blown away, which is reallycool.
It's to be part of that.
And yeah, talk about achiropractic, you know.
(05:56):
Advocate for life.
Yeah, After that, the mom'stalk, yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, which I knew, you, my two girls.
They had it pretty bad but itwas like six, seven months.
It wasn't like super long, butit's just very you know, you
just feel for the child so muchyou want to help them and then
you're getting frustratedbecause you're not getting
enough sleep and yeah, it'spretty tough, but it's a
wonderful feeling when itfinally goes away.
(06:21):
It goes away.
I wish I knew you back then.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, yeah, that's unfortunately chiropractic.
Could do a better job ofexplaining ourselves, because
there's a lot of myths and justmisunderstanding about
chiropractic, especially modernday chiropractic.
That unfortunately just keeps alot of people out of our office
because they're scared, becausethey don't know right.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Right and is it the same, like is it something
everybody studies?
So, like with my real estatelicense, we've got a set of
protocols and of course there'sdifferences in personality types
and the way we sell, but therules, the procedures, are
exactly the same for everysingle agent in the process.
(07:05):
Is it different, like, arethere different specialties or
are there different ways you cando things?
Or any controversy about howchiropractic should be done?
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Well, there's always lots of controversy.
Come on, we're dealing with abunch of people right, so
they're hippies.
But no, depending on yourjurisdiction.
So obviously I practiced inOntario for the first 12 years
of my career, differentjurisdiction in BC.
But inside Canada it's prettystandard.
Where it gets a littledifferent is some states are
(07:43):
different.
We have different licensingboards depending on what
jurisdiction you're in.
So if there are any nuancesthat sort of gets dealt with at
the licensure level.
But yeah, that is one thing Iwish my profession would mature
a little bit more in that,because we're just talking about
kids and chiropractic.
(08:03):
Well, there are doctors thatreally specialize in pediatrics
and man.
They are Like I learn a tonwhen I talk to these
chiropractors because that's allthey do.
Unfortunately I'm one of onlytwo advanced certified
biophysics practitioners in allof Western Canada, so that's
taken a fair bit of study to getthere.
(08:23):
So that means we deal withscoliosis, really advanced
postural deformities.
Now we deal with people whoaren't as advanced, but we tend
to be the place that otherchiropractors refer to when
they're really struggling withthe case.
We've got a full hospital gradedigital x-ray.
(08:44):
The level of clinical excellenceis very different but in
British Columbia, just likethose pediatric specialists, we
can't distinguish ourselves andsay, hey, you know what, we're
an advanced certified biophysicsoffice and this is possibly we
might differentiate our care sopeople can kind of self-select.
(09:07):
They can walk in anybody'soffice and think that they're
going to get the same.
So it would be nice, like withmedicine, where you have people
who are neurologists.
So it's a very differentpractice than somebody who's a
cardiologist or a physiatristand patients tend to.
(09:28):
I know getting to a specialistlike that takes a referral.
But I think, as far as servingthe public, it would be nice if
we had at least some kind of wayto designate docs that are more
further along in specializationso people can be a little bit
(09:49):
more discerning when they callup whichever office they call.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
So has the profession evolved?
Is this something that's kindof ancient, like people have
been doing this for centuries oreven millennia, or is it
something that's relativelymodern and with research and
over time, sometimes withmedicine, there's new
developments, new ways ofapproaching it.
Has it changed much in the sixyears since we spoke?
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, certainly our practice has.
Yeah, but speaking to the, hascare practice been around for a
while?
Well, there's documentation ofmanual work, spinal work,
postural work, structural work.
Back in the ancient Egyptthere's actually hieroglyphics
(10:45):
of people, what we would callmanipulating the spine.
Now it's pretty barbaric, butyeah, and for years and years
and years a lot of the elites inEurope had bone setters.
So bone setters it kind of fitswith what you would understand
about chiropractic.
(11:05):
But yeah, it's sort of modernday chiropractic.
It's been around probably about125 years or so and ironically,
the man who was credited withsort of delivering the first
chiropractic adjustment was afellow by the name of DD Palmer
and he was born and raised.
(11:25):
He didn't eventually stay there, but he was born and raised in
Port Perry, ontario.
So Canadian, it's a Canadianshtick which is pretty wild.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Interesting.
So you started in Ontario.
Why did you move to Kelowna?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Kelowna.
Well, I've said a lot of peoplelike it's really hard to
compare to BC, right?
So a lot of Ontario people say,oh, aren't you glad you're in
Ontario?
We loved Ontario.
It was incredible.
We lived up in cottage countryand so I have nothing but great
memories of Ontario.
(12:07):
I just say, basically where wemoved, kind of the
Skolka-Helliburton area a lot ofsmall little lakes, a lot of
boating, a lot of outdooractivity Kelowna is just kind of
like that area on steroids,like the hills are mountains,
right, the lakes are massive.
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So when we I came here, actuallyfor a chiropractic conference,
ironically, and I brought it wasin the spring, I brought out my
winter gear because it was,like, you know, tons of snow,
but it was March out here and Ilanded.
I'm like I actually had to goto the store to buy a pair of
running shoes because all I had.
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I'm like I'm not leaving Canada.
So, you know, and I didn't doany research before I showed up,
you know, and it's like full onbeautiful spring.
I think I landed like the yearwhere it was like might as well
have been July in Ontario.
So yeah, and we were actuallylooking for a change.
We were in a small ruralcommunity, so I was looking to
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move into a larger area becauseof the work I do tends to be a
little bit more specialized.
I had a couple of offices thathad offered me positions at that
time, and so my wife and I wereconsidering that.
Our kids were still prettyyoung, so it was easy to make a
move.
But, yeah, when I landed hereI'm looking around going, okay,
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international Airport at thetime the university was just
kind of getting spun up I waslike for the size of the city to
be in a city that had that manyservices, ontario, it had to be
about three times that size,more like the kind of London,
ontario or those kind of largerareas.
And we still work at rural atheart.
You know, we like the outdoors,we're really connected to
(13:53):
nature, yeah.
So you know, kelowna was like,okay, it's going to take us just
as much effort to move threehours away versus, you know,
across the country because youhave to sell everything anyway,
right.
So, yeah, and I tell you, luke,we have never looked back.
I am, yeah, I've had a coupleof colleagues move out here
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because of we're just so, youknow, talking about how
wonderful, yeah, and they seeour Facebook posts.
You know, yeah, yeah so one ofmy best friends from Cal Private
School.
He lives about a dozen housesdown from us.
Yeah, so, yeah it's kind ofneat.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, we had a similar experience and most
people I talked to thatexperience like that.
Either they were vacationinghere or they randomly came here
for some reason, like aconference or, and then we fall
in love with this place once we,once we see it.
So there was no dispute betweenyou and your wife.
(14:53):
It was like let's do this.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Oh, no.
Yeah, no, we did end upbringing the kids out for a week
over their school break.
We did a week at Big White, butironically again, so that would
have been the next spring.
Ironically, you know, it wasbasically me and my son that
stayed at Big White becausethere was no one.
We loved skiing and Jan and thegirls were in town shopping and
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just enjoying the spring right,and so they're in shorts and
T-shirts and we're skiing andyeah.
So I don't know how much skiingJan did that holiday, but it was
enough.
I think she might actuallystarted looking at houses at
that point in time too, so yeah,Do you remember what year that
was?
It would have been 2005 and2006.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Wow yeah, so you've seen a ton of changes I've seen
since 2011 and lots of changes,but you mentioned that your
business has changed in the lastsix years, so tell us a little
bit about that.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Some of the changes yeah, well, we've added some
team members.
So since we spoke last we'veactually increased our just
square footage.
So we're a larger clinic and weare truly now a
multidisciplinary clinic.
With massage therapy, we have afascial stretch therapist,
we've got two otherchiropractors, we've got really
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kind of well-rounded group ofpractitioners that work together
and yeah, so with thatexpansion it's given me with the
two younger docs I can sort oflet them handle sort of not the
(16:43):
simpler cases but cases thatmaybe don't need the
specialization like I have.
So that's allowed me to studyand kind of research and work on
my advanced certification.
So this advanced certificationin chiropractic biophysics takes
quite a while.
So I actually started studyingthis stuff in 1997.
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So that's longer than some ofmy patients have been alive.
So that's how I know how old Iam.
But now, yeah, there's I thinkthere's maybe eight of us in all
of Canada that have that levelof certification.
Like I said, we're the only.
There's another clinic thatdoes scoliosis work with us.
So they do bracing for us.
(17:29):
But I'm going to give you alittle teaser here.
I just acquired another clinicin town.
I can't say who, but basicallythey'll bring that level, so
we'll.
So we'll be up to five chiro's.
We're going to have to do a bigexpansion to be able to do that
, but we're still going to be inthe landmark buildings just
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moving building over.
Are you going into the newtower?
Are you going to do that?
No, no, yeah.
So QHR, the big medical EHR,it's an electronic health record
company.
With COVID they sent most oftheir people to work at home and
they realized we don't needfour floors throughout the
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landmark building, so they'recondensing down to one.
So we're taking actually overthe main floor or a portion of
the main floor, probably a thirdof the main floor of landmark
number five.
So that's very cool.
A little bit.
I don't know if I should besharing all of that, but anyway
it's, it's happening, so it'sjust yeah.
(18:33):
So that'll actually put usprobably little Kelowna.
We will have probably the mostspecialized and largest
chiropractic clinic in Canadaand certainly the most certified
and the most as far as clinicalexcellence.
And I'm not speaking like Istarted as a traditional
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chiropractor.
I never speak ill, I just amthis kind of nut for learning,
you know.
So yeah, so that'll be reallycool.
So probably this summer we'llbe moving into that.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It takes a while for construction to happen with, you
know, kelowna the realtor, yeah, Well, it's kind of the same
everywhere, it's like but oh, isit Okay, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that'sone side.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yeah, that's one side .
And I've done a big study withUBC on how the work we do
impacts human immune function.
So we also have the designationof being the only clinical
practice in chiropractic doingresearch with a leading Canadian
(19:47):
university.
And again, when you get thekind of qualifications we have,
it opens up a lot of doors.
You know, and I'm a bigbeliever in never, ever, ever
being the smartest guy in theroom, right, so I've had an
opportunity to be around somejust incredibly inspiring people
(20:09):
.
So we've been working with DrJonathan Little, who is an
exercise physiologist who has animmune lab with UBCO.
And, yeah, we went through thegrant process with an
organization out of Australia.
So the Australia's finalresearch foundation granted us
the funds to be able to do thisstudy and we've been working
(20:30):
with Jonathan for four years andit looks like I just got an
email this morning from the gradstudent saying I should have
the preliminary data out to youguys next week.
Incredible, wow, yeah, so, yeah, so not sitting around.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
So for your new location or your expanded
location, it makes sense tomerge those like not keep the
old location of the businessyou're acquiring, keep
everything under one roof, rightAdministrative.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Yeah, we talked about kind of having a satellite
clinic, but it's just, I likethe idea of everybody being
together.
I just think it's good for teamand because we do tend to have
a ton of communication betweenpractitioners if I think we'd
lose sort of theinterconnectedness of the kind
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of different disciplines if wehad two locations.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
So that makes sense.
So tell us a little more aboutthat.
You were saying how there'sresearch that's showing that
chiropractic has an effect onthe immune system.
That's kind of surprising forme to hear.
What is the connection?
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yeah, well, again coming back to that sympathetic,
parasympathetic response, mostpeople understand that when
you're under stress your immunesystem is downregulated, so
that's why stress is so horrible.
But people don't reallyunderstand the neurology behind
that.
So it is orchestrated by yourneurology, so the stress impacts
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the brain that cranks up yoursympathetic side or that fight
or flight side, whether you'rethinking peaceful thoughts or
not.
Once that brain gets on a mybrother and I used to call this
once your brain gets on abreakaway, it's really hard to
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catch up.
There's the ultimate Canadiananalogy there for neurology, but
yeah, so basically then thesympathetics start to really
inhibit the cells of the humanimmune system that combat.
We call them pathogens.
So that's bacteria, that'sviruses, that's things that we
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don't even know yet, thatthey're discovering.
I was just over at the blood labor the immune lab this week
talking to the kid that's.
I call them kids, they're gradstudents, they're almost doctors
, so I need to be morerespectful.
It's just I'm really gettingold, they're kind of my kids age
.
So I'm like, okay, but yeah, hewas explaining to me just what
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they're discovering now and yeah, so, as somebody's under
chiropractic care and we calmdown their immune or their nerve
system.
No-transcript kind ofhyperactivity.
That's probably a good term.
Probably a pure neurologyresearcher would cringe at me
(23:40):
talking like this, but I'm aclinician first so I often make
things pretty simple.
So yeah, as you calm down thathyperactivity on the nerve
system and it up regulates yourimmune function.
So we've got research back asfar as 1993.
I think one of the mostgroundbreaking studies was done
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in Atlanta at the beginning ofthe, basically doctors
identifying HIV AIDS.
So the homeless communities inthese like Atlanta was a really
hot spot.
La was another hot spot, sanFrancisco, like there was just a
few hot spots in the Statesthat were just crazy right, and
(24:22):
there was a chiropractic schoolthere that had a downtown
drop-in clinic for the streetcommunity or marginalized people
and so they were doing bloodwork on these people with this
disease.
They didn't understand and thepeople that were getting their
practice care had between a twoto 400% increase in immune
function versus the people whoweren't.
(24:44):
Wow, yeah, and again superrudimentary, like talking to the
guys at UBCO, like the waythey're analyzing cells now is
just way more complicated.
I always when I read that studyI probably came across that
study in about 1995, and Ithought we need to do this one
again, only on regular people,now, just the average person
(25:08):
walking in.
Do we have an impact to thatdegree on their immune function?
And little did I know thatCOVID and the whole world would
blow up and people would bereally caring about their immune
function, and so, yeah, so itwas kind of a neat.
So, anyway, we've got somereally good preliminary research
(25:30):
, and so we're just waiting forour data to come in.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Interesting Is that because they're sleeping on hard
surfaces and they don't havegood support for the back and
their neck, and was that a causeof yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well, like I'm obviously a structural guy yeah,
that's kind of my world, likeposture and structure, because I
explained that.
But any chiropractic adjustmentwill stimulate your nerve
system.
So we're just talking aboutthat sympathetic,
parasympathetic.
Obviously, when we're talkingabout infants and the colic and
that kind of parasympathetic andsympathetic, you don't worry
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about an infant's posture.
They're not even standing upyet, right?
They're just laying up.
We'll see.
Yeah, so it's far more reachingthan posture.
It's just that posture is whatwe're seeing in most of the
adult population and it's a goodoutcome measure.
So, yeah, so we're talking moreabout nerve system function
rather than just structure.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Right, right, but the homelessness is probably a
contributing factor, I'mguessing, to some of these
issues that the people you'restudying.
You know like.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I noticed by having a bad pillow.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
If I'm in a hotel with that bad pillow like I'm
not right, the next day.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Yeah, no, and it's really.
When I first moved into KelownaI did a little bit of
volunteering downtown and wasgoing down once a week to help
out with one of theorganizations that helped the
street community.
So I'd adjust for maybe an houror two on my lunch break and,
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oh my word, these poor guys arespines.
But they were superappreciative, oh, but but yeah,
you're just like wow, they'rereally beat up.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, you told me six years ago that it's really a
process, like a person can seeimmediate improvement from a
single treatment.
Yeah, it's important for themto do it on a therapeutic basis,
like on a continuous basis.
Is that true?
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Well, it really depends on kind of what your
goals are.
So our office is very slantedtowards more of a lifestyle
approach.
So I often it's not a greatanalogy but it's a good analogy
like you're working out, likeany workout is positive for your
body, but the best type ofworkout is one that's backed up
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with another workout and anotherworkout.
So oftentimes what we'redealing with is structural
patterns.
So you as a realtorunfortunately you're in front of
a computer yeah, you're drivingaround in your car showing
people like you're probably moreactive than most accountants.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Right.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
They're just right out of screen accountants and
lawyers.
But if you think about sort ofthe patterns that are negatively
impacting your posture, youwould really have to do a full
lifestyle renal, probably changecareers to get rid of the
negative impacts.
And nobody's going to do thatRight.
(28:44):
And even if you go from realtorto another profession, you're
probably still going to besitting in front of the computer
yes, you know your professionalpodcaster while you're sitting
in front of the computer.
Now, you know.
So all these things contributeon a daily basis.
So that's why we're generallyseeing people either weekly or
every other week to reset them,retrain them.
(29:06):
And we've finally got to thepoint where we're and Kara's
going to find this next time shesees me we're going to.
We're actually graduating ourpatients to a full posture-based
mirror image adjustment.
So we're basically taking yourx-rays and your posture, putting
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you in your mirror image andadjusting you in that, because
that actually has more of animpact on the brain, so
long-term it'll have betterresults for people.
Yeah, Very cool.
Yeah, and that's yeah, it isreally cool.
So that whole kind of Frank theCrank thing I joke about it,
that's kind of how I started.
Yeah, that Frank the Crank kindof chiropractic is is going
(29:48):
away Right, and I've had somepatients because I am good at
that.
I've had patients come to mesaying oh, I know that you're a
really good manual adjuster andI've graduated them into mirror
image adjusting and they're likeoh, wow, that was like like
they get up off the table goingwow, I feel different.
Yeah, yeah, very cool.
Yeah, it's just a whole otherlevel which is cool, yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Very cool this this summer, another beautiful part
of the world.
Here we had some horribleforest fires and I know you, you
were kind of directly or inlike in some ways directly
impacted because you had to takedetours and some homes.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Oh yeah, you know that was stressful.
Yeah, yeah, I'm a I'm a prettytough nut, but man, those three
weeks I was, it really impactedme.
It was something else.
So if you want the full story,I basically came back.
We had seen the smoke kind ofover on the west side.
We're fortunate We've moved toa community that's right on the
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lake, which is just real blessed.
Speaker 1 (30:50):
Are you on the Kelowna side or west?
Speaker 2 (30:52):
Kelowna side.
No, we're out McKinley Beachnow.
You're a realtor, you know whatthat is, so yeah, so we're
right on McKinley Beach Driveand we just get full.
You know, we can see that wholewest side.
It's just beautiful.
So we were sort of watching thesmoke a little bit.
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It was kind of down towards thecity and deeper into west
Kelowna, as you know, kind ofwhere the fire started.
We're sort of watching it, kindof that.
Tuesday night, the Wednesday, Icame home on the Thursday night
and all of a sudden thatThursday night was the night
that it blew up and over.
We just started seeing it justkind of come down all the way
(31:33):
across in front of our place onthe far side and then, you know,
I don't know, it was 10 or 11o'clock at night it skipped over
and landed up near Knox.
So basically we're like shoot,if that wind keeps going, we're
right in the line of fire.
So we packed up, we went intotown and stayed in town that
(31:57):
night.
Basically it just kind ofcircled our little community,
like the McKinley Beach area andwe.
But the problem is it was up,you know, it was behind us, it
was on either side of us.
So we were this little pocketin the middle.
So the first night we wereactually able to come back the
next morning and we stayed theday, but I had to go back into
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work the next day.
So basically I got separatedfrom my wife and our dog.
You know which was?
It was definitely moretraumatic being separated from
my wife than my dog.
Just I got to make that clearhere.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
But you worry about the pets too because, like
they're almost right, it's sostress-dressed yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
And the smell of smoke, like you could tell.
He was just like on edge thewhole time.
So you know, we sort of were onpins and needles.
Our actual community was neveron evacuation, we were just on
alert, but areas around us wereon evacuation orders.
So, depending on kind of theday or literally the hour, I
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could either get home.
So I'm still trying to go backto work and back and forth
looking after patients.
So most of my time I was goingall the way to Winfield and
driving back down Glenmore Roadto get back to our community.
And yeah, so we were out maybefour nights before we could get
(33:25):
back in.
But yeah, just, I was a reallysweet officer.
She was from out of town.
Once she found out she musthave had somebody in healthcare,
Because once she found out Iwas a doctor, she's like okay,
we're just going to open up foryou so you can get back and have
(33:45):
a sleep.
And then I said I'm going to beback here at 7 o'clock in the
morning because I got to getback to work.
She's like no problem.
So my shifts kind of neared hershifts and she's super
compassionate.
So I was very thankful for herbecause, yeah, just that being
able to come home and everythingwas fine.
And yeah, it was prettystressful three weeks for us.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Yeah no doubt there was some disorganization.
I heard some criticism.
I don't know if we need to talkabout it on this episode, but
I've heard.
You know not everybody washappy with the, but I know the
firefighters and a lot ofvolunteers did a tremendous job
and under tremendous pressure.
But I heard rumors that, youknow, some of the fire bombers
(34:31):
were cut back and you know likesome of the resources that we
should have had weren't in place.
Yeah, something else.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, I would have thought.
Ironically, my brother was onthe.
He's with the Ministry ofNatural Resources in Ontario, so
he was on the 03 fire so hecame out to support and he's a
pretty bright guy, you know.
And yeah, he was prettydisappointed with kind of how
(35:04):
that fire went down.
You know he felt that it couldhave been a little different
approach.
Not the guys on the ground, Notlike the people he was working
with.
He was impressed, they werehard working, but just the yeah,
yeah.
Some of the higher up decisions,yeah, yeah, and unfortunately I
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kind of like well, he wasobviously quite interested in
what was going on and, from whatI could tell, I kind of shared
with him and he's like man, Idon't think they learned
anything from 03.
And so, again, he's afirefighting professional.
He worked his way up, he was afire prevention officer way high
up in the Ministry of NaturalResources, so he didn't stay on
(35:49):
the ground for his entire career.
But yeah, it's just.
It's disappointing that whenfires are so prevalent in our
area, why we can't just havesome, you know some resources
that are just for the Okanagan?
I know people say well, youknow we can't.
(36:09):
It's like I wouldn't mindpaying a little bit extra on my
taxes If I knew there was threewater bombers sitting out at the
Colen Airport.
I'm not going to complain aboutthat one bit, especially after
what I saw, so that they couldget on those fires like soon as
they see smoke.
You know not wait.
So I don't know, I probablysaid some things that offended
(36:30):
people.
But Well no, I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
I think it was pretty yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
It's just sad, you know, because there's we had
friends.
Well, I guess you know Ange.
Ange lost her home.
You remember Ange from theSales Lead Network?
Yeah, yeah, and such abeautiful home and artesian work
.
Like they're not going to beable to get that recreated.
You know, as a German, yeah, Iwas just and you look at that
(36:58):
going, oh, yeah, you just it's adevastating thing.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
You know, we went through the hurricane in the
Cayman Islands in 2004.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Oh, right, and that was.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
You know it's something you never forget.
So I would say I was a littlebit calmer this time because you
know we lost, like physically,we lost everything.
So I had a ton of books, I usedto collect shoes.
I used to collect a bunch ofshoes and then all my books, all
(37:32):
my clothes, like all mypersonal effects.
So everything was either fullof molds or Looted.
So people were so desperatelike I actually went out for
something to eat a few monthslater and someone was wearing my
shoes I was like he probablybought them off of someone who
looted them.
Like yeah, I wasn't gonna accusethis guy of going into my yeah,
(37:54):
I'm gonna say but yeah, it'sreally kind of kind of shocking
and for me I was just like ittook a couple of years to
emotionally get over it.
But yeah, I just Tried tobecome a little more Buddhist,
you know, like a little lessattached to Objects, like I can
appreciate things, I love things, I love my car, I love my home,
(38:17):
you know.
But I just got a little bitless Hopefully a little bit less
attached to material things,but we were really worried.
But Karen and I were getting onthe airplane to go to Edmonton
to see her parents and that thatwas Thursday and we were flying
and out of the one side of theairplane we could see the bright
(38:37):
orange all down West Cologne,yeah, and then we had to run to
car to get back because wecouldn't, we couldn't get back
and oh, there's no flightscoming back in.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, and then where you?
How close were you guys to sortof leading, leading edge of the
fire?
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Like we were not close at all, but we were kind
of right in the center, like welive Gordon and Gooshigan, so we
were never even under alert,but our Teenage daughters were.
Here are two cats and we werelike, like, what are we gonna do
if we can't come back?
I said right, and the airquality was just so awful.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
Like we, drove back and I couldn't even breathe.
Yeah.
No, the air quality of the citywas worse than out here, and
we're right in the middle of thefire.
So whatever the wind was doing,it just parked everything right
.
Yeah, in town, it was awfulyeah that was terrible.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
But the fear of it kind of dissipated after a few
days.
We realized it wasn't gonna getcloser but the air quality was
terrible.
But yeah, that was, that wascrazy times.
I didn't think we'd actuallysee that in the city and
happened so fast, so fast, rightlike we heard about the fires.
And then it was like, like yousaid, thursday night it's jumped
(39:50):
over the lake and we could allsee on the just across the
bridge there was all brightorange, did you?
You remember the train to railmeant in Mississauga, ontario.
I think it was like 79 or 1980.
You and I would have beenpretty young.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
No, it was a huge.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
So a Rail train went off the tracks right in the
middle of Mississauga andthere's, I think, 750,000 people
today that live there, but atthe time was more like 180,000.
It was like the size of Palomaand Bright orange flame shooting
up in the sky.
I was 11 years old and we hadto evacuate, but oh no, wasn't
(40:33):
really close to us but it waskind of cool as an 11 year old I
About because it was chlorinetanks and they were worried
about those going off.
Yeah, yeah he's in the air, butthese propane tanks we were
shooting off like firecrackersand we lived about six
kilometers from the accident andit was kind of cool as an 11
(40:58):
year old.
We got to go stay in a hotel,but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't
super scary for me, yeah, butyeah it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Good on your parents for not Transferring whatever
they were, stressing it out.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Yeah, to you.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, that's cool man .
So mississauga boy, I didn'tknow that.
Yeah, that's where I grew up.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
So downtown Toronto west and the Toronto,
mississauga, tobago, and then Ispent a lot of time, like you
did, up in cottage country, morethe peter bro side, a little
bit of a smoke up a morning, theHalliburton, you know,
peterborough, bob Cajun, yeah,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, the real.
When I was in high school I wasI paid my way kind of through
my summers and Saved up foruniversity as a landscaper,
right, and Baptiste Lake waswhere the Bear naked ladies had
(42:02):
a cottage over, yeah, and so Iactually did some landscaping on
the property because there wasa couple chiropractors that
owned a Peninsula and so theywere over there and so I was
doing some tree removal for themand Whoever was looking after
the grounds?
I never met any of the the guys, right, but yeah, that's.
(42:23):
Yeah, there's some neat littlebands up in there and a lot of
creativity in that area, youknow.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
So, yeah, cool, awesome, yeah so, graham, tell
us how do people get in touchwith you?
Is there social media wherethey can follow you and all the
research you're doing, all thecool stuff you're doing?
Or, yeah, make an appointmentwith your Business for a
consultation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, no, we're .
We're lighthouse car practice.
So I Believe our website here Iam not the greatest guy on this
, but Lighthouse health dot cais our but if you just type
lighthouse Kelowna, you'll getus, because we do have a fairly
broad Online presence.
(43:08):
I've got a YouTube channel thathas a lot of kind of the
exercises and posture basedmirror maj exercises.
If we give people, so peoplewant some free stuff just type
Graham Jenkins in YouTube orGraham Jenkins, kelowna and
you'll get.
There's probably 250 videosthat we've done over time.
(43:29):
You can look for re repositionor posture based exercises, and
Just because I've been so boredlately, I've actually written
two books.
So I've self published a couplebooks.
One's called reposition and soit's all about posture
restoration, so it's up onAmazon.
(43:49):
And then I wrote one on vitaminC because I've just found it's
a kind of simple but verypowerful Nutrients.
So, yeah, so we have lots, ofLots of social media.
I have my own kind of Dr GrahamJenkins professional Facebook
page and we're on Facebook aswell.
(44:10):
I don't really mind LinkedInthat much.
You as a realtor probably think.
Speaker 1 (44:17):
I mean to me there's just too many things, like
there's too many platforms orother.
Just talk to people.
But it's great that you have aYouTube channel, because this is
going to be a YouTube channel.
And sometimes I'm just gonnashare the link on Facebook and
Instagram Maybe little clips,but I'm gonna focus on YouTube,
because that's where I spend themost time as a consumer On
(44:39):
social media is YouTube, and ofcourse, we still have the audio
version.
So our conversation will be onthe podcast platforms, but it
can be on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
This video, yeah and is it okay for us?
Like, when it gets up, can wepush it out on our?
Yeah, yeah, please do.
We're gonna tag you.
Yeah, yeah, well, that'd begreat because we do.
You know, just, we just beendoing this for so long that we
do have a pretty good reach outthere, cool, and yeah, and if
(45:10):
people want to contact medirectly, I'm just dr Jay at
lighthouse lighthouse health dotca.
So dr J, like the Basketballplayer that, yeah, I had the big
hair.
Yeah, back, do you, and Iremember that, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah, yeah, dr J, yeah, so he was
(45:32):
the original dr J At atlighthouse health dot ca.
And I answer emails and try toget beat back to people and and
I'll maybe provide links toVideos that we've got on our so
I can direct people a little bitmore if they've.
They've got a specific questionand yeah, and all of the kairos
at lighthouse are reallytop-notch kairos.
We're in Monday throughSaturday, so the younger doctor
(45:56):
in on Saturday to cover therefor people that need to get on
the weekend.
So we really try to serve allweek long because People tend to
Need us at different times.
That's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
Thanks so much.
Do you want to nominate anyoneto come on the?
I love clone apocapsed yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:17):
Um you know what, Um Shoot.
And you can take a minute totalk about it as we can.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
I said it's super easy to just chop.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, yeah, no, that would be great, I think.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
So someone you would enjoy hearing me interviews?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Yeah, listen to.
Yeah, you know I.
Is it okay to nominate a goodfriend?
Yeah, of course, yeah, okay,yeah.
So dr Mark Fulong, okay, is achiropractic college Colleague
of mine.
He's the guy that I said ismoved out from Ontario, followed
us out here the last few years.
How do you supposeF-o-u-l-o-n-g, o-n-g.
(47:10):
I can send you his contactinformation to you through the.
Yeah, so you've got that.
And he's done some really goodwork with our college board.
So, as you know, a lot ofpolitical organizations have
gone Very sideways, yeah, thelast five years.
(47:31):
Yeah, yes, so he's beeninvolved with sort of some legal
defense and organization to tryto help preserve the integrity
of our profession against sortof the intrusion from our
Chiropractic college.
So he's just a reallyinteresting guy.
He was quite involvedpolitically in Ontario as well
(47:53):
and, yeah, I've you, I wouldlove to, uh, have that
conversation.
Definitely get way more listensthan mine.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
Oh, I don't know, but uh, that would be wonderful.
I'd like to interview you.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
Yeah, I'll get him.
I'll get that information toyou so.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Pants have super Well .
Thank you for the conversation.
It's great to see you and, um,I should book an appointment
with you myself, because I thinkI said that in 2018.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
Yeah yeah well, you know where we are and I'm quite
certain Cara would be happy ifyou.
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Awesome.
Well, thanks again, graham anduh.
Have a great day and enjoy yourweekend.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
Yeah, we'll do, you don't care.
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