Ep. 390: Manwich

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Welcome to the ice Cream Convos podcast, where we serve delicious scoops of entertainment
and celebrity news. I'm your host, Zavierira, and I'm your co host
Carla, and we thank you fortuning into today's show. As always,
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comments below and sharing your thoughts,views and opinions on the topics discussed today.
Carla, how was your Mother's Day. My mama said it was pretty

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it was pretty chill, like itwas awesome because it was like we ain't
do much, but at the sametime we were all together. Right,
I got to kind of do abrunch thing for my mom, my grandma
and my aunt and then like itwas done for me for dinner. You
know, the opposite way of myCarlo's my aunt. Because my aunt even
though you know, my shout outto my eyes, but she's everyone's She

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doesn't have any bil like she doesn'thave any children, but she's everybody mama.
Yep, you know, we kindof celebrate her. She celebrated us.
So it was cool. Yes,how was yours? My Mother's Day
reminded me why it's important to buycondoms. Ah, we find out you
on your Brian McKnight flow with itcome true. Dude, Listen, I

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was up here, like Brian,I understand. It just seems so unfair
for your kids to get on yournerves on Mother's Day. That just is
like, yeah, that's like sometype of karma that you just don't understand.
Why you getting this one? Straightup? Straight up, I'm blessed
to be alive and I'm blessed tohave three beautiful children. Notice I said

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beautiful. That's the way they look. Three beautiful children and two amazing grandchildren.
Think me. On Mother's Day,I was just tripping off the fact
that I got my own family,Like I started my own hub of a
family. Yeah, like I havekids and grandkids, so I'm a matriarch

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at some points, right, bea little hood and ghetto, but I
am a But that is when youthink about it though, Like I love
when you had like those moments whereyou can kind of take yourself out of
yourself and you if you didn't saythat, it is you did create your
own little u. Them noses,man, listen stop okayang, Yes,

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her whole literally her whole f Theyliterally all have her nose. Like that's
that strong gene, you know howeverybody got something. Her kids got the
cutest little pugman like her nose.They all all the way down to the
baby, all the way down.As soon as they be born, I'll
be looking like, Okay, shegot the nose, yeh, come home,
come home with us. Otherwise I'dbe like baby for sale. Baby.

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Yeah. So it was cool,but you know, Eve Death,
we made my day. But JB. He barbecued, he cooked out.
But I really noticed that I can'tchill like I can't chill. The whole
thing was supposed to be them barbecuingfor me. I'm in the kitchen making
big beans. I don't went tothe grocery store to get what I want
to make sure you know how weare. Don't have this. I can't

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eat it, y'all. Well,he ain't playing no games with it.
Don't even serve it to me,Okay. Because I was getting ready,
they talked me out of making myown pasta salad, so we went with
potato salad. But I was gettingmosa, was about to whip it up.
But you a pasta salad, girl, you are barbecue. And that's
a musk. No, that's that'strue. I can feel you on that

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one. Mm hm. Like it'sjust certain things like if it's Mother's Day,
at least let me have everything Iwant on my plate. Yeah,
every even if I got to Iwas writing the store buying green beans.
I bought them in the can judgeyour mama's Mother's Day. I ain't shucking
nothing words, I ain't snapping nothing. I got the hottest glory green beans,

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y'all right around the corner next yeah, listen, slapped the glory right
around next month. You're going tohave to do all of that. So
we deserve that break because father said, you know, we go all out
Father's Day. We about to behaving some man which oh not man which,
oh my gosh, why I justtaste it. I'm about to throw
up, which on the ass.Listen, sorry for the man which lovers.

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I just ate it so much asa kid. Man, Listen,
I could still taste it, smellanything would make me sick right now.
Man which tastes like barbecue sauce mixedwould ketchup. Don't with tomato paste mixed
with tomato paste with a dash ofsugar in it and an now later,

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it's something about it that's off.Yea, it's something toy. Now let's
I'm like, yeah, how didI eat that? Like I said,
I hope and then y'all, Ijust in my taste, you know how
it is when you eat, LikeI know some people that refuse to touch
like that French red pizza or likethat ill Ilio pizza whatever because the school

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would remind them of school. Butnah, that's funny. But I'm in
full transparency. You got me kindof craving, man, had something in
a long time. You'll be like, but I wonder if it's still tastes
that now. I was about Iliterally ate. I haven't ate ramen,
noodles and years we all over theplace. But the other day I was
just craving. I think I waswatching a YouTube video on like Japanese street

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food, right, so I'm like, you know what I'm gonna eat me.
I'm gonna buy me some ramen.And I bought some and I ate
them chicken, and that's that ojchicken. But you know that beef,
be hitting beef. You know,when I was little, I used to
just eat this, the whole seasoning. I used to just sneak on every

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week. Eat yo. You waslike the season thank you lord. That
like your blood pressure. Man,That's why I'm sitting here now and three
coats and this what does it make? I gotta drop a blood player,
a drop of blood. I'm aknee mick as hell with my chart say
anemic as hel. Oh gosh,I love some seasoning now, Oh yeah,

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yeah, gotta be the right.Oh man, Well, I hope
all them I c c mommy's outthere, had a great Mother's Day,
and dadd is you up? Yougot next? You got next. Listen
some of y'all. Y'all gotta giveme a little bit of guccie. They'd
be good, y'all, exactly exactly. It's very simple, very simple.

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Your father's day pudding pie baby herebecause you'll put it. I see you
on. Thanks. Oh my gosh, Oh no, no, yeah,
all out there. That's that's anice. That's that's funny. Y'all start

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exercising about June fifth, Start exercising, ladies. Stretch your legs out and
stuff. They trying to show offon a little holiday, don't they.
Oh my gosh, remind your daddyjust starts stretching. Oh lord, I'm
kno gonna this stuff. All right, So, Carlo, we got a

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lot to talk about today, SoI want to talk about did you notice
that we managed to, for thegreat deal of the majority of it,
we have evaded the drink and KendrickLamar beef because we took a mental mental
health break last week. Right,And the way they were dropping songs literally

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back to back to back to backto back. All you had to do
is miss one episode of the podcast, and you skipped the whole beef,
so we will recap that. Ialso want to talk about this teacher who
got fired for having his students takeout his breeds. You know, I've
been dying, dying to know yourperspective on this. We also have an

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update in the Brianna Winston case.We talked about this before. She was
the Clayton County mother who went missingback in March, So we do have
an update on that. And unfortunately, we have the sad story of Senior
Airman Roger Fortson, twenty three yearold Air Force. Yeah, we'll get

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into that, and we're gonna tellyou who's making a documentary that newbody has
for all right, So we're gonnago ahead and take a break and then
we will come back and we'll hopinto everything. All right, Okay,
guys, we are back. SoCarla, this Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef.

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I think he has been so longsince I have seen a beef polarize
the country the way that this beefhas. Yeah, I couldn't agree with
that. Polarizers definitely, definitely.I saw a Minister Fary Cohn talk about

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Kendrick Lamar, Yes, minister,but I can't say that because mister Parkin
always been kind of hip to Yeah, he he do to like what's going
on in hip hop and pop cultureand stuff. Yeah, he has been
on point. But this whole DrakeKendrick Lamar Beef. You know, I
think we last left off with Ithink we had Brian here and we last

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left off with was it the Drake? AI? Have you done the AI
track yet? When Brian? Idon't think so. We were that was
very early. We were very earlyon. We were very very early on
with that show. I don't think. I don't think so. No,
I don't think the AI was wasdropped. Okay, So I remember calling

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you when Kendrick dropped Euphoria, Yesyou, and you was like, girl,
I can't today my add I feellike that's how this whole thing like
it's forgive me please. It wasyeah, okay, Well, I'm gonna
tell you this. I am teamKendrick. And it's funny because it's like,

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at the end of the day,I love both artists, right,
I have supported both artists, andI told people I was like, listen,
the gag is you can like bothartists. You can support both artists.
You know, it's almost like youhave two cousins who you love dearly,
but then they get into it atthe family rea and you have to
pick a side. Though. That'sthe thing. You can't equally that that's
you, you know what I mean. You do have to pick actually have

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to pick a side. You dohave to pick a side because unless you
don't have any real interest in likewhatever is going on, Yeah, it's
tricky. Yeah, all right,Well then in this case, I picked
cousin Kendrick. I just felt like, while Drake is a great rapper.

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While Drake is a great record maker, right, he makes hits, he
knows how to get the people going, he knows what to do. I
just feel like lyrically, Kendrick Lamaris like he's just on another level.
And this is the way I explainedit before when I talked to Brian.
If you guys watch my interview withBrian Simpson. He's a comedian who we

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had on the show with us,and he's an amazing comedian. Please check
out his Netflix special Live and theMothership now streaming on Netflix. But I
told him there is like a differencebetween gifted and talented, right true.
I feel like Drake is talented.Whatever obstacle you throw at him, can

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he can knock it out. Giftedis when it just comes to you so
natural. It's almost like you don'teven have to try. You don't think
it come to Drake though, likethat, I feel like Drake. If
you're comparing Drake to Kendrick. IfI was comparing Drake to other artists in
hip hop, then it would beDrake is the gifted, they are talented.

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When you put these two guys nextto each other, I just feel
like Drake is the gifted, Imean the talented and Kendrick is the gift
because Kendrick has a way with wordsthat literally make you be like bro what
like and just for his ability tolike tap in deeper, you know,

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like one of the songs was itMeet the Grams, It felt like he
was having a therapy session, likeDrake. Don't think on that level.
Drake gonna chop you up, He'sgonna eat you up, He's gonna hit
you with this little double encoundreens andall that, you know, the word
playing, all that, But Kendrickcan give you all that. But then

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Kendrick can literally take you down arabbit hole and make you look at yourself
in the mirror. You ever seethat the person in the mirror drawing the
clown face and they cry. Ifeel like lyrically, Kendrick can get into
your head, got you, gotcha, and he can mess with your mind.
Yeah, now that makes it.No, it makes it makes a
lot of sense. It makes alot of sense. I think it's like

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the j Z Nods thing though,because to me, it's hard for me
because they're two totally different types ofrappers, like their style is so different.
I do agree with what you said, though, if you had to
ask me lyrically, you know who'smore gift, like you said gifted,
it would be Kendrick. When Ilook at it overall, I think they're
both gifted in their own way.But if we're sticking the straight lyrics,

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which which a beef should be,right, it's lyrical, right, that's
what it should be. You haveto go. Kendrick is definitely I feel
like his his bag is just deeper. So my question to you that I
want to ask you. You know, there's a lot of back and forth
about the validity of some of theclaims that were made so much does that

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matter? Like Kendrick said that Drakehas an eleven year old little little girl.
He labeled Drake a pedophile, Drakelabeled him abuser. Drake said that
he was molested. Like, oh, and I don't know how I almost
forgot this. He said that Kendrick'sson is Dave Free's son, not Kendricks.

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So when you're going back and forthin rap beef, do the allegations
that are presented in the rap beefdo they hold weight as to whether or
not you know, as far aslike the scoring chart, does the validity
of the claims or is it justyou know, Charlemagne always says, no

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one cares about the lie. No, no one cares about the truth if
the lie is more entertaining. Sois it an entertainment factor? We really
don't care if all this stuff isactually true. But if it is true,
then it's really, really, reallya dig. Like for you,
do you care about factual allegations inyour rap beefs or are you just looking

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for the bars the way they theypresented it? The entertainment factor, the
tea factor is while that now wehave rapped. Yeah, that's why I
call this to me, I said, I feel like this is this new
beef stuff, this beef jerky becauselike you're getting into stuff like when we
start talking about tea, like that'sthat's social media lingua like tea and were

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talking about gossiping like that's the onething I don't remember, like and bef.
But what I will say is this, like all right, so do
you need to have some valid Ido believe there needs to be some valide,
like some of it needs to befactual, but I feel like you
can throw those things that aren't.But I feel like you have to be
real creative and like kind of itshould be in like a funny way like

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I don't know how to explain it, but more I got you, I
know what I mean. Like Idon't me personally, I don't care,
but I think like the true hiphop fan enemy wants to have some some
factual stuff because I remember like whenI think it was d and one of
his freestyles was like was in thefifty was going back and forth he was

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like, yeah, but you're reallyfrom connecticutor and I remember everybody like really
like digging in, like yo,did he really really live in Connecticut?
Like you know what I mean,Like, I think that gives us.
But this was all too before socialmedia where we know everybody's business. So
it's so hard. That's why alwaysbe like, yo, you can't even
ask me about this beef jerky stuffbecause I'm coming from a hip hop era

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in the nineties where things were likethe rules and stuff was different. You
get what I'm saying, Like,shit is different, so for us to
compare, like, I don't know, it depends on who you ask.
But I feel like, back tothe original question, I feel like,
yes, a lot of the Ifeel like fifty percent of you. If
you're going to say something about somebodyand the beef, that fifty percent of
it needs to be facts. Okay, So then let's let's let's job of

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it. Let's let's let's go backdown memory lane a little bit, but
just not too far because you know, my memory ain't that good. But
I remember a line fresh out.You claim to be a player, but
I fd your wife. That's whywe bust on bad book because yes,
and it was fast, but faithstills seek pa. You know what faith

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was like, I did not sleepwith that man. We like faith,
Okay, girl, right, youand Stevie J. You married Stevie J.
We're supposed to believe Pocke ain't slappedthem cheeks, faith Baby. There's
so many I'm trying to remember too, Like I wish I would remember Jay
zaying that he he smashed Nabs babyMama left the condom in the car seat.

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So we have had people go,as they say, go to hell
on each other. Yeah. So, but it's just I feel like with
Kendrick and Drake it became because firstthey were warning each other, right,
keep it cute, keep it cute, because you know what did Kendrick say,
if you don't tell no lies aboutme, I won't tell no truths

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about you. They were like kindof warning each other because they both felt
like they had these nuclear bombs thatthey were going to drop on one another.
But then once they started dropping thetea on each other, it felt
like the rat beef became more aboutand this is just the whole beef in
general, the Kendrick Lamar and Drake'srat beef felt more like a battle of

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not who's the best lyricists, notof who's the king of the hill,
who's the big not big three,just big me or not Big three,
just Big d This was a battleof assassination of character. They wanted to
destroy one another in front of theworld, and so they pulled out everything.

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And I'm like, Okay, wehaven't seen this eleven year old little
girl, but I could understand thatangle of going at Drake because that's how
we found out about a damnas.Yeah, yeah, it was kind of
smart. It was smart. Itwas a smart because it was it was
believable. Right, So it's like, if I know you're always stealing out
a store, I'm gonnaccuse you ofstealing because you always be stealing. But

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as far as like the domestic abuse, like they free being the child's father,
and it's like all right, y'all, all right, But JB is
so upset about Kendrick trying to labelDrake a pedophile. He is so upset

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about that, like we cannot talkabout the Drake and Kendrick Lamar beef in
our house because then you felt likeit went too far. He feels like,
oh, I'm just saying calling thatman a pedophile, called a pedophile,
and I'm trying to explain to himthat this did not come out of
thin air. There have been situationsthat Drake has found himself in with women

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who were younger than we felt wasappropriate. We're not saying it was a
child, right, That's why that'stoo far meophile. Putting the label pedophile
is exacerbating the whole thing. It'salmost like putting barbecue, like a whole
jar of barbecue sauce on a viennasausage. Yeah. Yeah, and but

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you know that, I guess thatwas the whole plan to like, you
know, magnify a crumb. Yousee what I'm saying. But yeah,
so JB is so super upset aboutthat, and I'm like, listen,
I'm gonna be all right, they'regonna forget about it in a minute,
all this get forgotten about all.It's already exactly already. I feel like

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Kendrick felt like my work here isdone because of course, in Drake's last
song, the Hard Part six,to me personally, it sounds like he
was waving a white flag. Whenyou start saying stuff like man, you
can go ahead and drop ten moresongs. I ain't responding no more.
To me, that's waving white flaglike a nick I'm tired, I'm not
coming back. I'm just glad thatboth. I hope so yeah, because

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I have never I never thought Iwould have got tired. I'm gonna tell
you why I were tired. Thisis a question I have for you,
so out of and it's for everyone. So thinking about all the great beefs
we had, all the great dishtracks that we have, Which one of
these dish tracks are we ten yearsfrom now gonna still be playing and saying
it was due? I ain't gonnafront I still play ether. No,

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I mean I mean out of Kendrick. No, I mean this. Oh
oh b ho, I'm gonna beo be ho and for the rest of
my life. Oh, I don'tknow. I don't think I think this
is I'm calling a beef jerky.I don't think we're playing this stuff.
I don't think we're It's not onthe same level as an ether. It's
not on the same level as ahit'll munth It's not. It's just not

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that. None of those tracks forme, None of them. I do
like that it's catchy. No,it is catchy? Is TikTok ish?
We are yet? Okay, letme think about that year music twenty twenty
eight, Will us still be willingto holler ov ho. Hold on,
let me think about that, okay, So in my opinion, I don't

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think we will all right, Soyesterday I told I C C friends to
grab the A one sauce because apparently, you know when you have two big
people who draw all this attention tothemselves from a beef, you already know
what happens. We get to trickledown nonsense. So now you have Game
trying to lure Rick Ross into abeef. Rick Ross ain't doing it.

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And I was like, Rick Ross, please ignore this man, because it's
something about watching someone be thirsty andliterally beg like I want, I want
my moment. I want my momentwith a touching seeking and hip hop was
a per Oh my gosh, itbe a rapper. If a touching Seeking

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was a rapper, Oh the game, Lord, have mercy. I thought
about you as soon as I thought, because I was like, if he
don't take his boom by a asssomewhere and sit down, he get on
my nerves. So yeah, andI was I was literally praying because but

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here's karma. The whole time Drakeand Kendrick was trying to get to whatever
they was trying to get to RickRoss was doing the same thing to Drake,
trying to hop in, trying tohop in, trying to hop in.
The double Dutch rope is turning andhe doing like this, remembery before
you jump on trying to jump in? Right, Okay, So then Rick
Ross jumps in the double Dutch rope, the rope claps on the back of

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his neck because Kendrick finally drops hismusic. And now we're not paying attention
to Rick Ross nor you are errelevant. So now Game sitting over there,
and since when Game became the backupteam for Drake because you want to
be back up for Drake to goafter Rick. But you ain't saying nothing
to Kendrick because you ain't dumb.He exactly. You not. Yeah,

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your little dump, you little youmight be attacked. We both said it,
but you ain't stupid. So yousaid I'll go after Rick Ross on
behalf of Drake. And Rick Rossis sitting up eating cereal out of a
Louis Vatan bowl. He ain't studying. But people were saying that Game would

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wrap circles around Rick Ross. NowI don't pay attention to either one of
them to really say, I knowGame got a pin. I know Game
got a pin. Okay because whatwas his album? Was it called the
Documentary? Yes, okay, thatwas my album. I was jamming with
hi until I found out he wasa cloud chasing attention seeker. I was

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jamming with me too, Like that'sall right, let's let's let's take away
all the answers. Okay, Gameis a lyricist. He is, he
can. He studied hip hop.But remember that one album he put out
that and it turned me off becausehe studied hip hop. Oh everybody found
that. Everybody like me from meMiller. Isn't that the one with the

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boom every single song? First onesong you're rapping like nas, then you're
rapping like jay Z, then youwrapping Mill, then you rapping like cir
Can. You rap like yourself?And that's where I think. But you
know, all right, so becausewe all over the place, I feel
like Game, Like if if thathim and fifty were able to work out
everything that they went through, likeGame, we might be talking about Game

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right now in like the top threeartists. I feel like what you think?
Yeah? Yeah, because someone saidthe other day that fifty cent be
just like blowing out the match onpeople careers. They like the candle in
their career. He'd be like JoRule, he just blowed out. He

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just blow out and just blow itout. And I'm just like, dang,
because that's true. Now, youknow, fifty cent is like a
top top troller, like he isthe pettiest of the petty. He's king
troll. And you know, youmade a very great point about the whole

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situation with Game and fifty cent.Do you feel like fifty cent or excuse
me, do you feel like Gameholds fifty cent responsible for stifling out his
career? Nah, because I don'tthink Games had his career is a stifful

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Seriously, I don't know. Iwas bubble alone. Leave him alone inside
of his bubble be like what youthink? No, I'm asking I'm gonna
ask you the same question though Ireally think you know, I don't think
he is, but it may besomething because he's always so he takes shots.
I do feel like the bitterness,there's a bitterness will okay, because
he any shot he can take atfifty he take it. Yeah, he

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dust So this didn't it like tothis day, it's nuts, But it's
the shot about bitterness or the shotabout attention because if he says fifty cent,
is that dude right now? Thatif you bark at him, you
know how they say the dog barkingat the moon. Yes, yes,
if you say something to him,it's gonna give you maybe about two three
minutes of attention. Well, andall attention is good attention, like to

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attention seekers. Yeah, no matterwhat, no matter what, it's the
bes Sie. That album was theJesus album. I had to look that
up when he was trying to soundlike everyone the Jesus album. I don't
even know the album called Jesus.Yes, the Lord took his hand off
of that one, like this,ain't it my son? This ain't that

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my son? You should have cameinto your prayer closet. It talked to
me right, Oh my gosh,you did this, ain't it? Wow?
Yes? But that's I'm just I'mover to be like and the reason
I said, be frigging. Thenyou had then and then somehow meet like
how did oh, let me tellyou? Okay, let me tell you,
let me let me run it downto you. Okay. So you

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had Drake and Kendrick, then youhad Rick Ross try to jump in the
grab Drake's attention, and then Kendrickwas like, no, I'm here,
So then Rick Ross had to gosit down. So then Drake and Kendrick
did they thing right, and theywas bopping us up side to head with
song songs like I couldn't even Ihad to sleep with my with my laptop
on my nightstand. Okay, ohwow, because every time I try to
close my eyes. They dropped thenew song and people looking at me expecting

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me to post right, and theyon West Coast and Kendrick on West Coast
time keep in mind. Okay,So then they go back and forth boom
boom boom. That settles down.So then Game like, I'm want some
attention, so I'm gonna go afterRick Ross, and Rick Ross was like
I'm gonna eat some Cerey. Sothen Game went after Rick Ross and Rick
Ross ain't paying Game no mind.So then King Comb's Diddy's son was like,

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whoa, yeah, let me takethat. Take that. So then
he dropped this song and first ofthat's a little bop. Though the stuff
he just said is crazy, butif you really when I listened to him,
I was like, oh it,it's a couple of times where I
found I was bopping a little bit. Yeah, God forgive me, but
I cannot take King Combs seriously.I just can't me either. That's why

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I said a little bop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what
King Combs remind me? I rememberGremlins, Yes, I remember when they
was mogwise and when they would getwet when to pop off, and it'd
just be another one, like KingCombs remind me like Diddy got wet,
he just popped up. You didn't, and he just another little magwa.
Anyway, So King Combs drops thissong where he's talking about how they house

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got raided and how they totally missedthe house in the back taking shot Child
said right now going through that trackover and over, like okay, are
you serious? But of course hefired shots at fifty cent because he wants
us to pay attention to this songand fifty cent. No one has trolled
Diddy harder and longer and louder thanfifty cent. So King Combs takes his

(30:59):
shot at fifty fifty, like,why are you taking shots at me?
I don't mess with the kids now. I fear for my life. You
know, he's so sarcastic, he'sso funny. So now he clowning King
Combs for taking a shot at himnow and fifty cents defense, he'd be
in a lot of people business andmessing with a lot of po He did
not say nothing to that child.That child says something to him first,

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Like most grown folks, if achild get out of their place, we're
gonna realign them quick quick. Sofifty cent is realigning King Combs right now
by reminding him, sir, youlike your father and have a sexual assault
lawsuit pending. And I'm gang yougave her that puffy juice. Okay.
And so then Meek Mill said spelling, punctuation and grammar, be damned,

(31:47):
let me say something. So hehops on Twitter. And here's the funny
part. Meet Mill like Meet Millis one of those Carla, I love
you girl. But the Philadelphia educationalsystem failed Meek Mills. So now listen
me, did meat go to seeyou out? Look? You can't blame
that on the whole educational system.But I don't know niggas really really went

(32:07):
to school or what. They mighthave got a diploma, But we ain't
gonna blame that on the whole school. But I will on today. Let's
started to what I will say thoughI'm hoping and praying miss a lot of
them. Oh my goodness. Sohe hops on Twitter and the first thing
he says is that he is onvacation with Poppy, his son, for

(32:29):
his son's birthday. Okay, ifyou on vacation with Poppy, go be
on vacation with Poppy. Why isyou in this business over here in the
States when you on a tropical islandwith sand in between your eyes? Right?
He hops in and starts going atfifty cent and talking about how fifty
cent need to leave people kids andlone a fifty sent them posted his kids

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before said something about his kids andblah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
So then meet Mills starts writing likeliterally a face statement worth a tweets.
He was tweeting fifty cent the sameway Mariah Mills was tweeting Zion Williamson when
she claims sheared that's the way MeekMill was tweeting. No, Meek is

(33:12):
emotional, y'all knowick, y'all y'allknow, men, And then when it
wound up, that's when you cantell because the grammar and punctuation and stuff.
Who's too helly for real? Itgo too hell for so now he
going after fifty cent. Fifty centssaid, listen, I know you sold
six thousand copies of your album inone week, but I ain't mad at
you for standing up for your man. Stand by your man. Wow.

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He was like, stand by yourman, okayty alone. Everybody like that's
one person, like you'll never getunder his skin. You're not gonna shake
him. And if you shaking,you're not gonna know it. No exactly,
and that's the key. You're notgonna know it. If you're not
gonna know it. Yea. Hewill cry in the car or in the
I believe he has a like weatherproof bomb proof cell on the bottom of

(34:02):
his house that he go into thecry just to make sure nobody knows he
has emotion. I know that's right. Meat Mill is going at fifty cent.
And then Soldier boy hopped into thestreets and Twitter and was like,
well meat Mill didn't. Then Puffyand I'm like, so, Sojia boy,
how you getting this? Because youknow, Soldier gonna make sure he

(34:22):
get into something. Clja is goingevery ninety days, Soldier gonna make sure
he get his attention. He gethis five minutes, he got a timer
on his phone, that'd be like, it's time, got Big Draco.
He'd be like, you remind y'allthat he started this ship different mind,

(34:43):
y'all. He started listen with hisalarm go off, he'd be like,
hopped up at the big pulled myTwitter, said what's up? So it's
like all right. So I wasjust like, okay, I'm tired.
Now I'm tired. It's romper roomand that of hip hop right now.
Yes, yes, but let metell y'all. Let me tell y'all how

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I set in words off quest Lovegot his feelings. Because of course,
there was some shooting at Drake's house. I don't believe the shooting was related
to Kendrick Lamar. It's some otherstuff going down in Toronto that theyre trying
to keep. They trying to brushunder the rug. And I feel like
they have any more information on whoand what and why that would even happen
though. No, But there wasa shooting that happened either a week or

(35:28):
two prior to the one at Drake'shouse with some folks that's they connected.
They were able to connect the two. They're not officially connecting it, but
you know, the streets is,we don't know nothing. But I just
don't feel like it's connected to thebeef. If it is connected to the
beef, it's an over zellious,stupid behind fan, which is texically always
is. So that went down.So quest Love got his feelings and got

(35:52):
on social media and started talking abouthow hip hop is dead, how people
so thirsty for blood, and andall we want to see is blood and
hit. This this beef turned intomud slinging and talking about women and child
dreads. Hip hop is dead andyou know the same people who want to

(36:13):
see blood are gonna be hollering ripnext week. And hip hop is dead
from the same dude who was playingthe drums on when jay Z was rapping
takeover a bit, right, youknow, quest though? You know when
you get older, though, Ithink that's why you should have just sat
took a back seat to all ofthis. He should be far at a
place. First of all, Iagree with one thing he said, and
that's hip hop's dead. But hiphop been dead way before this beef.

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So let me tell you this.This is how I set social media off
because I was like, hip hopis not dead. When I tell you
dumb, people went off on me, goody, people like I was like,
hip hop not dead. What Isaid, hip hop has evolved.
It is not dead. You meandevolved. You must mean devolve it devolved.

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Then to that hip hop been dead, NAS told y'all, well,
I don't think a died would not. But I think I agree that hip
hop is dead. I mean,okay, talk to me. Hip hop
died a long time ago. Ifyou look at your most if you name
a song right now, it's goingto lean more towards other genres and subgenres
than just hip hop, Like rightnow, my favorite genre, and it's

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just just my opinion is I'm listeningto I'm a Piano period like that's and
I think, like, all right, so let's hold on back to quest
though real quick. That's the onlything I agree with what Chris Love said
was hip hop is dead. Everythingelse that he's tripping musling. That's what
beef is. It's always been.Everybody always talked about each other. It's
mothers and everything else. But Ijust think that when you hip hop to

(37:43):
me is dead, it's water down. It's made for social media. The
average hip hop song is like twominutes, right, how do you really
get a feeling like a real piece? A lot of that? Oh on,
let me go back to this too. A lot of people I think
don't put a lot of effort intouh their songs. In me, it's
all bordered down. Everybody sounds exactlythe same in hip hop, right,

(38:05):
And I think it's because you're lookingpeople are It's about social media. It's
all about getting like that viral moment, that viral song, that dance song.
I don't know. It's so manyreasons, but I just feel like
hip hop and and it just meif you look at the charts, it
clearly shows you hip hop is died. Oh okay, so let's let's go
back to the essence of hip hop. Right, So the essence of hip
hop is the MC, the DJ, right, break dancing, well be

(38:30):
break dance b boy in however whereyou want to slice it up in graffiti.
So I was like, all right, if you look at the elements
of hip hop, you could say, we still got a DJ, we
still got a rapper. We maynot like the raps, but we still
got a DJ. We still gota rapper. I don't really see people
be boy in and breakdancing that much, but it depends on what side of
town you might see some graffiti,right, all right, So those are

(38:52):
the elements of hip hop. Andso someone posed to me because I was
like, I don't believe hip hopis dead, and they were like,
hip hop is dead, but rapis alive. And I was like,
hmm, okay singing now let mebecause see in my head, I'm like,
okay, hip hop. Hip hophas evolved. Now when I say

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evolved, I just think of change, right, I gotcha, loot,
it has changed as positive change asas well. Here's here's the thing.
When I say evolve, I justuse the word evolve as in change,
right, So if I evolve,but I guess that's my bad, and

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I guess that's why people attack mebecause and usually when the word evolved is
used, it's changing into something forthe better and growth also growth, growth,
right, evolving and growth. SoI guess that's where I went wrong
using the word evolved. When Isaid evolve, I just meant it's changing,
right, right. God, youlook at hip hop over the years,

(39:59):
right, It's all it's always beenevolving and if you remember hip there
there has not been a period oftime in hip hop where we haven't complained
about the state of hip hop.Just keep bean that they was. I
think the only time they wasn't complainingwas when they was going the hip the
hot to hippie to the hippy andyou don't stogie up jump the bugey.

(40:24):
And then when gangster rap came in, they was complaining about that, y'all
rapping about killing them, blah blahblah blah blah blah. When Diddy came
in, Oh here come these shinysoup niggas and they and all they singing
and they dancing over Diana Ross andthey You know, there's always been a
complaint Like then the backpackers was talkingabout the fake you know, the fake

(40:45):
Diddy stuff and all that. Youknow, you had to backpack the conscious
rappers. So there has always beenpockets of complaints and complaints about the state
of hip hop, complaints and complaints, complaints. So for me with quest
Love, I felt like Quest Lovewas being hypocritical because y'all had the roots
picnic and y'all invited Sexy Red,right, so you can't talk to me

(41:07):
about hip hop is dead when youbring in a girl up there and be
like, ben that ass of it. Let you know that when that people
speak differently. When a bag isrunning too, that's there's a bag attached
to it. So then for me, my thought process was this, And
this is another reason why I probablygot ate up because in hindsight I could
see but you know, no,I said exactly what you're saying. It's

(41:29):
definitely changed, going right, Butit definitely changed. I agree, it
definitely. Hip hop changes every Itchanges every so often. Remember when mumble
rap came in, y'all killing hiphop, killing hip hop with the mumble
rap and then it became skirt skirtand all that. But it's like it.

(41:49):
So that's why I felt like Iuse the word evolved like and I
don't know if there's a better wordfor just something that's just constantly constantly changing,
changing, changing. Some things remainthe same, some things remain constant.
Right, So you have the pillarsof hip hop that remained constant,
but everything else it's almost like aplanet, right, a solar system.
The other planets are constantly moving aroundand other things are changing. Right you

(42:12):
go. Then you had little nasX I want to dig my the oh
Dawn road. We arguing is thiscountry? Is this hip hop? Where
do we put this? That's whereI'm saying it's right. So it's like
for those of us who grew up, I think it's harder for those of
us who saw where it started.Right, we saw where it started and

(42:36):
then how it's changing, and thenit is not hard for me. I
still enjoy it. I just thinkthat that hip hop like for example,
right, we I feel like musicin itself as art. We know it's
art, right, most of thetime, passion comes behind it. People
that like people that are rapping downthere, they don't love music. They're
doing it to go viral, tohit a lick, to become famous.

(42:57):
But yeah, it's I think theartistry of it is going, especially in
hip hop. It doesn't require youto do much anymore. People like literally
do their versus and shoot it.I'll shoot it to you. They're not
in the studio. Who's in thestudio making it that vibe? Right?
I think it's so many things toit, Like, I still listen to
it, but I think the essenceof like true hip hop, like the

(43:17):
artistry of it is dead. Youhave a couple guys that might still be
passionate about it, but the restof them are it's about money and going
viral. So do we say theartistry is dead? Because to say,
I feel like just saying hip hopis dead is too broad of a blanket
statement. And maybe, like,do we say the artistry what is true
hip hop? Because most hip hopnow is pop music. It's it's it's
I'm a piano, it's afrobeats,it's we need to just call it pop

(43:42):
music. That's how I feel.I think it should be called pop music
at this And so I saw somebodysay popular music, it's just hip hop,
But I don't know. I justI don't know. I just I
keep hanging on to the like Idon't want to say it's dead because then
it's while because somebody was like,yeah, no said hip is dead.
Yeah, but Na's been dropping thealbum every six months, So nas need

(44:04):
to make up his mind, diad, If it's dead, he can go
home and sit down, right,But what's so bad about letting the genre
die and then, like you said, evolve, evolution, Maybe it evolves
into pop music. Yeah, Ijust I don't know, man, I
just there's something in me that won'tlet me say hip hop is dead.
And I also said, and theyate me up for this too. I

(44:25):
was like, listen, but Idon't think I articulated myself well that day.
Maybe I was having a breaking butthink about it, and it's still
a subjective thing, right, Butthink, when's the last hip hop song
that's really really charted and stayed there. It's it's been a while, and
I think we just kind of justgo along because a lot of stuff we
listened to, we swears hip hopand hip hop. It's a mixture.

(44:47):
But then I guess that's subjective too, because depending on what I guess,
it is subjective because it goes backto what you personally considered it be hip
hop. So I guess that's oneof those arguments where people will just be
arguing until they blew in the facebecause to me, here's my and I'll
say this last thing and then wecould take a break and move on.

(45:07):
But for me, I don't feelcomfortable saying hip hop is dead when people
like Dougie Fresh still torn, whenpeople like Big Daddy Kane still torn,
because to me, they are theessence of hip hop. Right, So
then for me, to say somethingis dead and they still getting up every
day and going out giving one thousandpercent sad, you know, And I

(45:30):
was like, this is not Yeah, I didn't. I guess I didn't
articulate it correctly because I was like, like, you have legends like Big
Daddy Kane and Dougie Fresh and they'restill able to go out and make a
living and they're still able to goout and perform music. See, that's
what I'm talking about. You don'teven you must be young. You don't
even really we ain't even talking aboutmoney. But I'm like, that's what

(45:52):
you have to say today's If Idon't, I don't know. Maybe with
the word are different because rock androll is dead, but you still have
rock and roll artists right now thatstill after the rock and roll artists that's
performing are dead, they still standingon stage. That's what I'm saying.
So it depends. It's subjective atthe end of the day. Music period
is subjective at the end of theday. Well, I'm gonna keep saying

(46:12):
hip hop ain't dead and make y'allman, all right, is this your
opinion? That's how you feel thatlisten, kid, that's the dopest thing
about music as you you. I'mnot trying to keep hope a different.
You know how you feel. Ijust think you feel how you feel.
Delusion game in his bubble, I'min mind. Nah, you feel like

(46:34):
you feel you made some valid points. I get it, and I get
I definitely understand your point too,because, like you said, I need
to find another word for change,because evolve be setting people off. Now,
it's only because that's what most peoplethink. When you think of you,
do you think going for changes forthe positive and growth changes? But
it's just changes you still were right, Like it changed like Chernobyl change the

(46:55):
girl listen, but like the threethe three eyed fish type of even Okay,
let me stop. I still don'tdon't get it messed up. I
still listen to hip hop, Likeright now, I'm still banging Carnival like
Kanye, like I still will bankto me, Kanye still is hmm,

(47:16):
whatever balances, Kanye is, Kanyeis the essence still that college you say
so, I still so. Iguess your point is is still kind of
felt like it's not that it's strugglingthough, I'll go that's supportant Yes,
for a long it's been on.We've been had on a machine for a
minute. Yeah, okay, soI can hear what you're saying. All

(47:40):
right. For those of you listening, drop down in the comments wherever you're
listening. Let us know if youthink hip hop is dead or not.
But y'all leave me alone. Yes, yes, and she's listen, leave
me alone? Yeah, exactly,all right, talking listen ahead and take
a break, Carl. I thinkthat was a great conversation, Carl,
because I love hearing you talk abouthip hop. Yeah. So let's go

(48:01):
ahead and take a break, andthen when we come back, I want
to talk about this teacher who wasreportedly fired after having his students take out
his braids. This one had y'allfired up. I'm talking about five.
All right, we'll take a break. We'll be right back. All right,
guys, we are back. Thankyou so much for tuning into today's
podcast. We always invite you tobe a part of the show by dropping

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down in the comments wherever you listen, share your thoughts of using opinions on
the topics discussed today. Carla,Yes, this damn teacher. So it's
a teacher. He goes by thename of like illuminator, illuminati, something
of that nature. And he isa teacher. He's a middle school science
teacher. And I've recently learned thathe's in the DMV area because I was

(48:46):
like, I wonder where the teacheris at. Not that it really makes
a difference, but it for context. Now I think it does make a
difference. Though, Actually no,I think that's good. It's always I
think that's yeah, just to moreof a backstory. So he is in
the DMV area, if my sourcesare correct, young teacher. I'm on

(49:07):
giving between twenty eight and thirty two, okay, young teacher. And he
is also moonlighting as a content creator. So one of his contents that he
had uploaded to TikTok was him inclass. I guess it was towards the
end of class, ten minutes beforeclass ended, and he had four female

(49:29):
students taking out his braids because hehad a hair appointment and he did not
have time to take out his braids, so he had four students stand around
him in class ten minutes before classended, I believe on a Friday,
just for context, and he hadthese students take out his braids. The
video caused a lot of discourse onlinewith people saying that it was wildly inappropriate,

(49:52):
other people saying they don't understand whatthe big deal is, and ultimately
all of the discourse and the attentionthat the video calls resulting in him getting
some type of disciplinary action. Heis definitely out of the classroom, but
I'm not sure if he has beenfired fired, or if he has been
suspended, or if he has beenpulled out of the classroom pending an investigation.

(50:14):
For you, yeah, we needteachers right now, y'all, don't
bank on him being fired. That'sjust my personal opinion. Okay, even
if you fed, he'll be inanother school. Yeah, yeah. So
he also went back online and wasreading letters from his students, and he
was crying online while breaking down readingthese letters from the students. So,

(50:37):
Carla, the first thing that Iwant to ask you, and we about
to have a really real, realconversation. So if y'all don't like it,
just log out. Now. Doyou think it was inappropriate or do
you think it wasn't really that bigof a deal for him to have students
taking out his hair? First,I want to say, yes, number

(50:57):
one, it was inappropriate as ateacher because you have to have boundaries.
I think it's this is the partthat I feel so bad for him,
Because'm gonna tell you why. Soit's hard out here. Number one,
the teacher. People need different sourcesof income. But I think people,
this is just anyone. If you'regonna be a content creator and you have
a regular career, you have aregular job, you gotta be careful how

(51:19):
you intertwine the two you just do. I think this is just a lesson
of that. Because yes, Ifeel like it was inappropriate. Number One,
I'm gonna tell you why because ofhis age and when I looked at
the age of it's a lot ofdifferent reasons. The age of the girls
that were taking out his hair.Two like that to hi, like they're
touching you as a teacher, Idon't feel like besides a fist bump,

(51:44):
hugging. It's so weird because likeI'm not a big fan of Like I'm
not against hugging, but I thinkwe gotta be real careful right as authority
figures period on how we physically dealwith as a teacher, as we deal
with children. So I want tosay, yes, it's definitely was inappropriate.
Should he be terminated. I feellike that's that may be a suspension.

(52:05):
I don't think that's like he shouldbe terminated. You have to have
boundaries as a teacher. I sendwe send our kids to school to be
educated. You know, I getthere getting to know each other and I
get all of that. But youdo that at the beginning of their school
year. And I'm not talking abouttaking out breaks. You do that by
maybe sitting down with them one onone and asking them things or you know
what I'm saying to me, lookingat that video, they look so comfortable.

(52:30):
They look too comfortable, as wasthis the first time it was done?
That's that that was another But itdidn't look like yeah, I don't
think so either. I don't thinkso either. And even if, like
because I think he made a statementlike it's everyone else's like thinking that way,
But even if even if it isus thinking of inappropriate ways, like

(52:51):
what if one of those students secretlyhas a crush on you. I know
I had crushes on male teachers whenI was in school, and I know
I'm mumbling, I know, I'mall over the place. When you know,
as a younger, your brain ain'tfully developed, sometimes you think certain
things. Oh he didne asked meto take his hair out right. Now,

(53:13):
that creates a problem because then ifyou now try to set another bound
like now you opened up that door. So now if you try to go
back and be firm and put anotherboundary there, she can lie or whoever,
they can say it was something totallydifferent. Now they can say,
well, he let us play inhis hair. He also let us do
this, this or this. Youcan't, you can't, you gotta.
It's weird with kids. It's weirdwith children. That's why I believe in

(53:34):
with children, teenagers, whatever,especially when you're a teacher or an authority
figure, you have to set firmboundaries and you can't. You can't cross
them, you can't mix them.It's just you end up with situations like
this. Yeah, for me,it was because I was just you know,
I always try to look at thecomments and see, like what the
temperature is out there, and Isaw it literally was like a fifty fifth,

(54:00):
And I saw people like y'all alwaysprojecting and making everything sexual and like
he's a good teacher, first ofall. When I looked at the video,
just based off of the things thathe said in regards to his students,
like they had to make sure theyfinished all their work, they had
to make sure they behave well inclass that day in order to even get

(54:22):
a past come to my classroom.Blah blah blah, blah blah blah.
So I was like, Okay,this is someone who really does genuinely love
these kids, okay, and weneed more of that. Like you said,
great teachers are scarce, and thegreat teachers that we have are literally
pulled paper thine. Okay, SoI definitely recognize that fact. Let's just

(54:44):
take a moment and teacher appreciation.We just passed like shout out to all
the educator. Educators, we lovey'all, We appreciate y'all, and we
know that you are overworked and underappreciated. You recognize them well. Sankst job
in the world right now, Ithink absolutely absolutely, So let me just
begin by recognizing that fact. WhenI saw the video of him interacting her

(55:07):
with the students and what he saidabout the students, there was no doubt
in my mind that he's that teacher. He the one that all the kids
want to come to him. Hethe one that all the kids want to
kick it with. I bet heknow all the hottest TikTok dances. Yeah,
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Now that could go back to
the conversation of are they putting twoyoung teachers into the class? Absolutely,

(55:28):
this opens up so many different discussion, opens up a lot of discussions because
when I was in school, Inever had a teacher who wasn't damn near
old enough, almost old enough toprobably be a grandparents. Yes, absolutely,
I agree, me too, becauseI was thinking to myself, now,
would miss Mason had let us brushher wigs? Look when mister Shaughnessy

(55:52):
had let me rub shout shout outto mister Feederily, I was about to
say, mister Feedie, girl,I used to look just like Mike Smith.
I think he was Mike Schman's cousin. It was old like, yes,
like he Yes, he was definitelyin his fifties. I think I
remember gray hair, and Grandma isall yes, yes, yeah. So

(56:15):
that's why I don't feel like youngerteachers should go into high school because now,
now, more than ever, wehear more situations of teachers sleeping with
students more than every boo. That'sthe truth. Because teachers are running and
retiring early. There's so many conversationsto this. There's so many conversations that
can be okay, but again,y'all going to be like y'all going back
to sexualize and everything. But that'snot the point. We're now. We're

(56:37):
talking about age difference in class.Like someone, I feel like a young
teacher fresh out of college, ayoung educator should go straight down the elementary
presolutely, absolutely definitely not in highschool where you look like you just two
years older than me, are threeyears older than me, or I can
wait for your birthday type of situation. We're not doing that. So I

(57:00):
feel like with him being in middleschool, even though those girls are middle
school, you know, middle schoolgirls now could probably sit down and tell
me some stuff I don't even Yeah, they can't. Girl, that's they
came. Come on, let's keepit, let's keep it real. We
got it, Okay, they cantell me stuff I don't don't exactly.
It's a lot of things that weweren't privy to at that age that these

(57:22):
kids are privy to you because thereis no boundaries in our world and our
phones. Come on, y'all,right, on the phone, like,
exactly, we killed the things wehave to stop all things change, Yeah,
exactly exactly. So my thing isthis, I there are a few
things that because I was talking toa friend and the friend was like,

(57:46):
I don't see the big deal.You know, he seems like a great
teacher. Obviously, these kids lovehim, and there are a million and
one other things that these students couldhave been doing, especially in the DMV,
from still in cars, knocking oldladies, over snatching their purses,
so on and so forth. Icould be doing that. Just because they
were taking his hair out doesn't meanthat I kidding. That was my point.

(58:08):
That was my point. That wasmy point. Secondly, my I
put myself in a situation right asa parent. If I open up social
media and I see destiny taking downa teacher's hair, I'm going slap the
buck off. I don't care whoit is, mister so and so,
I don't have your favorite teacher orwhatever. I did not send you to

(58:29):
school today to do hair. Go. That's my whole point. Educate right,
and you're not at tech, remembervotech And that's what I was going
to ask too, Like, wasit a thing where like some of those
girls were in school for cosnitology.But it wasn't votech like you said.
Like when I first saw it,I'm like, well, maybe I ain't
got no cosmetology program. It wasmiddle school science teacher. Middle school science

(58:49):
teacher, nothing about hair because afrog or something. Right, So it
was a middle school science teacher.So he had these girls take out his
hair. But I feel like there'slayers to this, and we're gonna talk
about these layers. The first layerthem kids shouldn't have been taken out your
hair, sir, I'm sorry.And he called them his best friends,
so he already broke the boundary ofauthority calling these kids your besties. I

(59:12):
be so furious as a parent.I'm sorry, you already broke the boundary.
You already broke the boundary line,the line of boundary right, yes
of authority, because you're calling themyour besties. So now they're not even
looking at you as an authority figure. They looking at you as just as
the homie. Ye, So howstories are they going to take you trying
to teach them? That's what I'mglad now hear me out here here?
Nobody nobody mentioned this. Who hasfour combs on hand? He had planned

(59:38):
for them kids to take his there. Yeah, that is so true.
That's true. You got a greatpoint. Who does have four combs on
hand? So you knew that youwanted four? It was specific? And
how did he decide who was going? Because then I heard like he got
parents permissions? It's so many layersthis is that is there? Factual facts
be how do they know? Buthad real quick because when I heard it,

(01:00:00):
I'm like, he may have gottenthe permission slip. We all got
to sign so that they can bephotographed, videoed and all that. But
well, I don't think I don'twant to believe that. I don't think
that there was an actual permission sip. There's so much information floating out there
that I don't I don't think that'saccurate because I believe two of those moms
wouldn't have signed off on that.I just did, and I'm side eyeing

(01:00:22):
the parents that did sign off onit. But hear me out. So
they took the braids out first ofall, where we get four combes from?
So this is pre planned or eitheryou brought in the combs for the
kids to take your hair out.But it's still that shows meditation. Yeah,
I'm okay. So they take yourhair out and they're fine taking you
know. And and the friend alsopointed out, like, well, his

(01:00:43):
hands were on the desk. Itprobably was good that he videotaped it to
show nothing appropriate took place. Buthere's the thing, Clout, don't care
who chases it exactly. Those braidscould have been taken out and we would
have never seen it or known it. But you wanted to put it on
social media. And he knew thatit was going to upset people because he

(01:01:04):
used the term ruffle feathers when heI know this is going to ruffle some
feathers. So you knew sacrifices forClout. You sacrificed your career for clicks
and likes. Yup, straight up, this is a classic case of that
that that that's nothing me and Igo back to what you said, Yeah
it calms. It was clearly whatcontent creator don don't strategically predict everything,

(01:01:25):
even how they even how they gonnaeat breakfast that morning. Come on,
you know you're a content creator,right. I'm not saying in the same
way, but you think you thinkbefore you he knew that he was he
had them calms and he knew exactlywhat students he was going to use.
He knew that for a while.I believe, I believe that he planned
a while though, like, well, he knows which students. But then

(01:01:45):
it goes back to he knows whichstudents he can pick to take his hair
out up, so and like andI didn't even think about the aspect of
you know, sometimes with young girls, when you show you don't know their
home life. You don't know ifthe dad is in the house. Yeah,
the mom is neglecting. A lotof young girls take attention and then
they internalize it in a different way, create a crush. Next thing,

(01:02:07):
you know, she greasing your scout. What's next, she greasing your scout.
Then there was another video of ayoung girl painting his fingernails. Yeah,
see, he's it's very inappropriate.Said He said that this mom enjoyed
his video so much that she signeda waiver or something for the little girl
to appear in the videos. Andthen he goes, this is a future

(01:02:28):
nail technician right here, this isa future nail technician. She's painting his
nails. Now, I take thatback, I'm saying, I don't believe
I take that back because we hadparents to drop their kids off a Kelly
house. Goofy, yeah, droppingthem off at like look or Kelly.
So then I was like when Iwas talking to my friend and she was
like, you know, I reallydon't see the big deal with it.
Then I started like, I waslike, well, what is it that

(01:02:50):
makes me see that? And immediatelyI was like, oh, like it
didn't feel good. The minute Isaw it. I was just like,
oh, like my stomach. Iwas like, what is it? But
I am learning more and more andmore, and many of you probably can
co sign this. When you seethings that go down and take place on
social media, whether it's just therandom content creator to your favorite celebrity,

(01:03:14):
when you see the antics or thestunts or the actions that take place,
it all boils down to the wayyou were raised, your personal beliefs,
your moral compass. Would you findacceptable, which you don't find unacceptable.
I'm going through these comments, watchingpeople go at it over whether or not
this is inappropriate, and we alllooking at the same thing. So at

(01:03:34):
the end of the day, everyoneelse, everyone has their own guidelines that
they look like. Everyone has theirown beliefs. There are at the end
of the day. The one thingthat's not subjective is policy. Boom booh
ooh you ate that out for youate that up, sister fair God,
But think about it, you knowwhat I mean. I guess y'all could

(01:03:57):
say whatever y'all want. I'm surewe know when that handble in policy and
might not say straight out like youcannot allow students to unbreak your hair.
Yeah, but we know we knowthat in policy area. Here's another argument.
I saw Carlo's sorry to jump ontop of you real quick now,
but they were like he even madethe point if I were a female teacher,

(01:04:17):
destiny better not be taking down missmiss Johnson's break exactly. I don't
send you to school to take downMiss Johnson's break. He's missing the point
of that we send you're an educator, that's it. Well, I'm not
sending my child to school to donobody nails. I'm not getna hurt the
school to break. And at theat the end of the day, the
bigger picture, if I go throughhis social media, all I'm seeing is

(01:04:41):
videos of your students grooming you.Yeah, you a grown ass man.
Yes, why this is a hygieneissue, Like, what's the problem.
Why are they grooming you? Yougot one doing your nails, you got
other kids doing your hair. You'rea grown ass man. And when is
the educating going on? I don'tcare if it's ten minutes, I want
my eyes literally, if it's notlunchtime. I want my kids educated the

(01:05:02):
whole day. I want to seethat that class from test scores. I
do too. I do too becausewhat's a good teacher too? And I'm
all for teachers getting to know becausewe do getting to know their student.
But there's so much with everything goingon today, we gotta establish boundaries,
like if our teachers, and wedon't have boundaries with teachers, like where

(01:05:24):
the what the hell is the worldwant? And up that I'm trying to
think to myself, do I everremember hugging my teacher? I think at
the most I got one of thearm around graduation. Graduation is around the
side, good job type of Idon't think I remember my teachers. Okay,
see graduation. I remember hugging teachers, but they were my female teachers,

(01:05:44):
like twelve because we literally been withthem through and then you know you're
going off. But that's it.The definitely not male teachers. Definitely never
held and I played sports. Andall my my coaches, I've had maybe
a couple of female coaches. Allmy coaches were male coaches, and you
spent a lot of time. Absolutely, I would never and I've been to
my coach's houses, we've been asa team. Never hugged my coach.

(01:06:06):
My male coaches, they never huggedus. We don't even I don't even
recall, like miss Mason hugging me. And Miss Mason she that was she
was she was teacher. Yeah one, it was everybody's grandma. Yeah,
listen, remember teachers. You shouldn'teven know where a teacher lives. Yo.
You remember the first time I eversaw a teacher outside of school?

(01:06:27):
Blew your mind. I didn't eventhink they they insisted outside of school.
Ye girl, The first time Iever went in the teacher's lounge, I
was bugging out. Regular ship wasin the area. That's like getting backstage
at a little way and concert.Baby, I was in there like twice.
I had a teacher. Girl.This because my ass was bad.
I had this one teacher that literallyhad to keep me on her head.

(01:06:47):
I had one dad year in fifthgrade. That's the only was I got
in there literally she had me attachedto her head. Shout out to miss
salvage to a lover her the duff, and she changed my old dad like
this Italian woman ain't playing no listen, she no game you hear me?
I was everywhere with R. Sowhen we went in that teacher girl,
the teachers laugh was like a wholedonut, like like, yo, it's
so, it's a club. Thisis where the DJ I was waiting.

(01:07:13):
I swear, I smelled, wewant that doble who passing the blood.
Passed the blood shout out to theteachers once again. But no, you
made some really really really really goodpoints though, especially as a parent.
My child is there for you're thereto teach my child. You also made

(01:07:39):
a good point about the age thing. I feel like this's a whole different
conversation because now we don't have thatmany older teachers to pick from, so
now what is gonna happen? Andthen you got kids putting their hands on
teachers who signing up to exactly theygot to be social workers, moms,
dads, teachers. That's why I'mlike, there's no time for like that
kind of stuff. What's going on? I don't think he should be fired,

(01:07:59):
though I don't think he should.I feel like May should be training
moved though. He can't stay inthat class though either, so maybe we
do have to shuffle him around inthe district. You can't keep him in
that class after that. I don'tthink what you think. No, I
feel like I feel like I'm tornon that because I feel like those kids

(01:08:19):
are attached to him and they're happywith him. But at the same time,
I feel like he, like yousaid, he has crossed that boundary.
But you can't unring a bell.Yeah, yeah, still learn this
lesson. He on social media crime, reading the kid's letters. That's supposed

(01:08:39):
to be for us, that's supposedto be for all that. There's the
content now and said because that listen, that content still got to be created.
Boo boo. Guess what you canread me every letter you want from
a child. A child does nothave a developed brain to tell me,
there it is frontal frontal frontal developedlisten, full frontal lace with but it

(01:09:05):
ain't developed. Whatever it is.Right since when we start letting kids come
on, y'all, I know thingshave changed. Well, we gotta step
back as authority figures. We gottatake. That's why you wake up every
day on the news. Five peoplethat been shot here, seven people.
The average shooter is under twenty one. Now, come on, y'all,
start at the school. We alreadyknow the old education. It starts with

(01:09:27):
that. So if we if we'regoing to be besties as far as teachers
being besties with kids, what doesthat look like in the future. I'm
not saying that you can't build relationshipswith it student and a great that's great
report. It doesn't have to bephysical. You can do it without touching
them, touching you you touching themand and do and being in somebody's hair.

(01:09:49):
It's some of y'all grown folks thatbe like and everybody doing everybody putting
their hands in my hair. Butit's okay for your baby to go to
school and do her teacher he exactly. That's a lot of people that are
saying that too. If that wastheir child, and you know, that's
what it kills me about social Ifit was their child, they'd be furious
to someone and some generally, Iknow some of y'all wouldn't give it.
Y'all y'all think that's care And I'mnot trying to judge you. But at

(01:10:12):
the same time, you got tobe careful. You got to have authority,
right somehow. Everywhere you go,you go on a job, there's
always someone going to be telling youwhat to do. There's a boundary that
you can't cross. So if youif we start in school like I said,
and there's no boundaries, then whenthey get out in life, it's
going to be the same way andyou're gonna have a problem on your hands.
I saw where somebody had put inthe comments. They was like,
man, when I was in highschool, we used to take our teacher

(01:10:34):
grocery shopping or take them to thebank. The cash is check and stuff,
right, that don't even make sense. Yeah, they're saying all kind
people and then people y'all, someof y'all just want to be heard and
go against the green. We overthat too. Yeah, go go back
and sit at the kids table.Okay, but don't let them do your

(01:10:56):
hair while you're sitting there. Allright, another great discussion, Carla.
Let's go ahead and take a break. Okay, guys, we are back.
Carla. I do want to goahead and give an update some sad
news. Previously on the podcast,we talked about Brianna Winston, the twenty
three year old Clayton County mother whowent missing in March, and remembering the

(01:11:17):
story I was telling you how herboyfriend and his wife were considered persons of
interest. Well, there was abig break in the case last night down
here in Atlanta, and we foundout the gruesome details of actually what happened
to Brianna. It appears that onMarch seventeenth, her boyfriend and the father

(01:11:42):
of her four year old child,Michael Edwards, came to her apartment and
an argument took place because she foundout he had been cheating on her,
cheating on her so much so thathe secretly married another woman named Brianna in
January. So during this argument,the argument escalated to the point of Michael
strangling Brianna, killing her, placingher body into a suitcase, putting her

(01:12:10):
in a car that was provided byhis wife, and driving Brianna's body to
Tennessee to one of his homeboy's houses. When he gets to the homeboy's house,
they put Brianna's body into a burnbarrel. Poor acceleratet in and they
set Brianna's body on fire. Nowthey burn Brianna's body from early morning until

(01:12:33):
late evening, using a shovel tobreak up her bones and the cause the
process to go a little faster.After her body was fully burned, then
Michael took her ashes and spread herashes behind a at a cemetery behind a
church in one part of Tennessee,and then spread the remaining ashes on Root

(01:12:58):
forty in tennie See. So atthe time of the investigation, Michael Edwards
was already in jail on some typeof stalking charge that was unrelated to Brianna's
murder. But while he was injail during the investigation, he called his
new wife, Brianna Edwards and instructedher to burn a pair of shoes and

(01:13:26):
a pair of gloves, so theycaptured that on the jail phone. I
guess he didn't hear the little recordingat the beginning they tell you all these
calls are being recorded. But okay, he calls her and she goes ahead
and she burns. You know,she follows his request, she burns those
items. Michael Edwards's mother and hisbrother are also being charged. I don't

(01:13:49):
know if they've been arrested, butthey are also being charge and helping to
destroy evidence in this particular case,so he basically made this whole thing a
family affair. Now, the reasonwhy the police knew the details of what
actually transpired and what happened to Briannais because the friend, the homeboy in

(01:14:09):
Tennessee, spoke to police under animmunity deal where he will not be charged
in helping Michael Edwards burn Brianna's bodyto ashes that were later spread across Tennessee.
Now, I understand that the policegot to do what they got to
do. Sometimes in some cases.I don't like profits. I don't like

(01:14:30):
profits. I don't. I don'tlike it at all. I don't.
You literally helped burn a woman's bodyand this part of a body and you
can walk because you told on whoactually did it, but you did it
too. Boo boo. I don'tlike that, and I don't suggest violence.
But if I was brianna cousin,I would be on my way to

(01:14:51):
Tennessee. I know that's to sayabout that. Yeah, it's really sad
because this baby. We have afour year old baby whose mama has been
murdered by the daddy, and nowthe child is without both parents. The
family Brehanna's parents were so distraught theycouldn't even do the press conference. And

(01:15:14):
it's understandably so, but you know, when you get to I don't know.
I saw one time. I knowI saw when ICC friends say,
that's why I'm teaching my daughter selfdefense, because y'all, I hate when
people. I didn't mean to cutyou off, but we don't know exactly
what happened. And you can't nomatter how much self defense you teach someone,

(01:15:36):
it can happen, and you anybodycan become a victim of an English
crime at any any damn time.And like from I had watched a little
bit of a press conference and itmade me sick to my stomach. When
I was when you started talking aboutmom was involved. I think mom burned
shoes or clothing or something. Right, Yep, yep, that that cleaned

(01:15:57):
out her apartment. I still wantto know who cleaned out her apartment.
Yeah, that's a horrible This kindof hits home. I don't know if
I ever told you, but therewas this was years ago. This was
probably in two thousand, maybe nineteenninety nine, two thousand. Right in
my neighborhood. There was a fourteenyear old girl that went missing for for
like maybe a week and come tofind out twenty one year old and the
other guy actually know he was afamily friend. He was sixteen at the

(01:16:19):
time. They found her body ina barrel. They tried to burn her.
And this was right in southwest Philadelphiaand she was taken from Yaden.
So when I saw this, I'mlike, this is like this sounds so
it kind of triggered kind of likethat. But and that in that situation,
they both are they're both still sittingin jail, roting or whatever.

(01:16:41):
But it was the two people thatwere involved. They got them. But
I don't like the prof for stuff. Because you committed a crime like you
did, you get no immunity.Now I got they gotta do what they
gotta do to get the information.I believe he should deal to me.
Yes, a deal, Now Idon't know, like, aren't different.
I need to look more into thatbecause I think profits are. I know

(01:17:02):
it's in exchange, but I don'tknow if it's full full immunity. Because
Kivy D I think got a proferdeal. Hmhmm, you get what I'm
saying. But he still ended upyears and years later being charged with,
uh, the murder for a tupac. Yeah, I don't know, but

(01:17:24):
I just I mean, listen,it's not hard to figure out who the
homeboy is. They already gave upwhat city and town he live in,
so it ain't hard to figure itout. But I'm getting caught up with
the way forensics and stuff is.It's hard to commit a crime and get
away with it. Yo, evenstreet justice, as much as we want,
it's too hard to because you seepeople just like it's not right,
like he shouldn't get to walk free. But that's what and he'll get it.

(01:17:45):
He'll get it back. It'll definitelyhe'll definitely catch that. Believe me.
If I was Breonn I be athis house every night as soon as
he had the switch. Yeah,I always want you. Oh, I
would drive him crazy. And forany family member that would even help and
assist in that. We all loveour family. But nah, that's that's

(01:18:08):
my question to you. If youI thought about that, I was like,
if my son did something heineous,I'm turning them in. I would
would I try to? Would Itry to cover that? Like whoop,
I'm saving my money, I'm puttingmy house up we're getting a banging after
attorney, and you atturney yourself inlike not sleep. Like logically, first

(01:18:30):
of all, that phone call,my stomach would be hurting so bad,
because you know, first everything makemy stomach hurt. And then I'm like,
I know what I could sit hereand say I would do right now,
But what would I do instinctively?But you know what, I'm the
type that be like no, Ican honestly say that I would be like,
damn, homie, well bye,because and as much as I love

(01:18:55):
my son, because even now,when he'd be doing dumb stuff and getting
locked up, they'd be like youhave a collect car, be like click
up. That's why I was waitingto hear what you had to say,
because I'm like, already know you. You was not playing No, you
know it's accountability. You have tobe We talked. Listen. You raise
them from when they little, Youraise them from right and wrong right,

(01:19:16):
yep, And there's a consequence toevery action and there's no excuse. There's
no excuse to do that. Andas a mother and as a woman,
I couldn't sleep at night. Hiand my son, No, my son
did that to somebody else's mother daughter, and then you know what I'm thinking.
If he could kill her, hecould kill kill me. You better

(01:19:40):
tell it. Shoot, no,you ain't got to worry about me,
birt. I ain't trying to makea joke out of it, but I'm
not. That's not me. Ijust don't. How can my ministry?
How could you? That's not myministry, because I think I would be
so disgusted. My heart really reallyhurts for parents who one child hurts the

(01:20:03):
other. I know, because whereLord, where do you put the divide?
How do you do? How doyou how do you just don't children?
One time, yeah, mm hmmm, I saw there was a story
down here where there was a producerand they said he's worked with some big

(01:20:27):
names. But like, if Ijust spit his name out, you probably
have to be in the Atlanta trenchesto kind of know who he is.
But his son shot and killed himover a dog. I think I just
I think I saw that. Ithink I seen something like that. Don't.
Yeah, that's crazy. I didsee that. But I mean,
if you biblical like for like,it's just sad though, but domestic back

(01:20:54):
on, if somebody putting their handson you as a woman, you know,
even if it's just you could bewith somebody one hundred years and I
know I'm exaggerated, and they've nevertouched you out of the ninety nine years,
and that one hundred year they decidedto put their hands on you.
Get out, yep, yep,because I believe I saw where there was

(01:21:15):
a prior domestic, like the copshad been there before for Michael and Brianna.
Like I think there was on recordthere is a domestic. There was
some domestic issues there wi I think, I say in the press conference they
said that they had a domestic andit was with him and Brianna. There's
never just a They don't go fromjust killing you. There's always yeah,

(01:21:38):
there's always a lead up. He'sbeen putting his hands on her for a
long time. And I'm so sorrythat she had to lose her life.
Me too, Me too. Thelieutenant, I just remember her first name
being Ashanti. I was like,okay, right, yes, yes,
she was like, this was nota crime of passion. She's straight up,
this was not a crime of passion. This was all out. Yeah.

(01:22:00):
She said malice. I think hehit na malice, malice, which
is about to be charged with malicemurder. Yeah, which is which is
good what it should should be likewhen you have a crime that's so heinous
as malice murder, how do yougive someone immunity who had their hand in
it? I know, DC thatbrings me back, girl. I only
like, we gotta look into that. I need to talk to some of
our attorneys. We need to getwe need to get somebody on the line.

(01:22:26):
We got to talk to someone becauseI want to know, like are
all profits are saying? Which Idoubt. I want to know exactly because
I'm like you, there's no wayyou get somebody. You give him just
immunity, Yeah, a krip walkingin somebody know and somebody else to go
and do it to someone else.Now you're puttings at risk. Thank you?

(01:22:46):
Just put on got to burn abody. Let's slide over to such
and such house, please miss me? Yeah, miss me? Nah.
All right, We're gonna take onemore break and then we come back.
I want to wrap up today's episodeas we discuss senior Airman Roger Fortson.
All right, all right, we'llbe right back. All right, So

(01:23:11):
we are back, Carla. Thisstory Airman Roger Fortson, who was in
the Air Force. He was tragicallykilled by the Okaloosa County Police Department in
Florida, twenty three years old.Another case of a police officer going to

(01:23:32):
the wrong apartment and killing this youngman who was not only just twenty three
years old, but he was servingthis country. And I was like,
what is the irony of you dedicatingyour life to serving this country and another
person who so called took an oathto protect and serve murders you in your

(01:23:58):
apartment. Yeah. Now, forthose of you who don't aren't familiar with
this story, I'm just going tokind of give you a quick rundown so
we don't be on the pot toolong. But apparently a phone call was
called in about a domestic disturbance OklusaCounty, Florida, always Florida. God

(01:24:18):
darn it Okalusa County deputy. Assoon as I hear deputy, I'll be
thinking, some shit, it isnot above water. A deputy came out
and a Karen led the deputy tothe apartment where she claims these domestic disputes

(01:24:39):
are taking place. Keep in mind, Roger twenty three years old, lived
alone. But this is the apartmentbecause I heard somebody get slacked and it
was like a smack sound. She'sgiven all the tea and all the details
and took this officer deputy to thewrong apartment. So the deputy knocks on

(01:25:00):
the door and then he if Irecall because see, there are multiple versions
of this bodycam video out. Weget edited versions and then we get full
length versions. So one of theedited versions, and I feel comfortable saying
it has been edited because I sawthe cut. You know, the same
way I edit my tiktoks. Isaw the cut. He knocks on the

(01:25:24):
door and then he steps back.He knocks on the door again. He
says like shurf, deputy open up, something to that effect, and then
he knocks again really hard, andRoger opens the door. And when Roger
opens the door, he is holdinga firearm in his hand. The moment
the deputy sees the firearm in Roger'shand, he opens fire at least four

(01:25:46):
to five shots right into Roger's chest. Roger falls to the ground drops He
tells him drop the gun. Hewas like, I don't have it,
Like I just got shot four times. I fell to the ground. I'm
not holding a gun. And thenhe says you know, shots fired.
He calls him back up whatever,and Roger passed away. And of course
when you read, I try torefrain from reading comments because a lot of

(01:26:10):
times it sends me over the edge. But you know, it was why
did he answer the door with agun in his hand? Why he answered
the door with a gun in hishand? So what the Okaloosa County Deputy
Sheriff's office did not anticipate was muchlike Trayvon Martin. Roger Fortson was on
a phone call when those deputies startedknocking on the door. He was on

(01:26:32):
a FaceTime phone call with a younglady and he was like, somebody banging
on my door, and he wentto retrieve the firearm. Now did they
announce themselves? He did say sheriff'sdeputy open up. I think he said
it twice. Okay. I didn'twatch the video just because I read about
the video. Piece. Yeah,I saw like a piece of a clip.

(01:26:57):
I saw the gun by his waist, but I just didn't. But
here's what I'm thinking, and Icould be absolutely wrong. In one of
the videos, the sheriff knocked onthe door and stepped away from the people,
stepped to the side that's what theydo though. Okay, I'm not
saying that it's right, but that'sknown. Like I've seen cops go to
so many house and the first thingthey do is which I'm not I'm just

(01:27:18):
trying to think that possible. Yeah, it's just I think if he cops
have been shot knocking on the doorthe door, you know. And I'm
not like I want to buy jumpingme. I try to look at this
at both ways. Both ways.Okay. The way what I'm thinking possibly
could have happened is the two timesthat he did, say Sheriff's deputy,

(01:27:41):
he was on the phone, heain't really Either he was on the phone
or he was in the back retrievingthe gun because somebody's knocking on my door,
creasey right right, which makes sense. So when he opened the door,
his gun was down by his side. He didn't have it like this,
you know or whatever. So it'sgoing to be one of those.
And because we're dealing with Florida,that sheriff gonna be right back at work

(01:28:02):
next week, because we know howFlorida does when it comes to black bodies
hitting the ground. Period. Thatwas sad. It's sad, and it's
just so sad. I mean,the gun was registered, so on and
so forth, and it's like itwas almost like, well, how do
you change this? Though? BecauseI feel like like I want like all

(01:28:24):
those like I would love to askall the police reform advocates. You know,
they always say train and they saythis that like why do we every
so often every few months we stillsee the same thing, like how do
we change this? Because this iswhat I'll say, They damn sure are
wrong. The one thing I willsay about the Karen lady, I've done
that before, so I don't knowshe was just being a Karen and really
fucked up. I've sent police tothe wrong place thinking people were fighting and

(01:28:45):
it was literally next door. Itwasn't the same. So I've done that
before. I ain't saying that sheshe could have been, but that's where
that's where you as a police officer, though, I have to make sure,
Yeah you have to listen, youknow what I mean, let me
come over and do anything, Letme listen observe this first. You know.
I think that's where they were wrongas far as training. This is

(01:29:08):
the one thing I said to myselftoo, like cops is kind of like
playing Devil's advocate. Cops are scaredof shit too, like even good cops,
right because at the end of theday, even though cops is dropped,
Like even though we have bad copsthat are shooting innocent black people,
we also have cops being shot atand killed, just being shot at every
day, right, And they wantto go home to their families too.
So I think this is where thetraining part comes in. I think some

(01:29:30):
cops, once they see a gun, and unfortunately in a black man's hand,
especially in a black man's hand,some of them fear for their life.
I ain't saying that's the case.I'm just saying I believe in psychologically,
like because it's so much work wehave to do. And I ain't
saying we as far as black people, I mean as far as reform,
as far as police officers and theytraining number one, it would alleviate all

(01:29:53):
that if y'all would have just stoodthere for a minute and listen to where
the goddamn fight was. Because ifyou didn't hear any boom bang this that,
why are your weapons even drawn?Just knock on the door like it
was. So many things I feellike could have been done differently than that
young man losing his life. Mmhmm. You know what I'm saying,
and he is going to come tothe door. It's his right. That's

(01:30:14):
why I go back to this too. Like guns. I'm so weird on
guns right now because I'm like,here, you have a right. Second,
there are arms, but do youbelieve like he's using his right?
But at the same time his rightgot him killed, So like at the
state, you know what I mean, I'm just so it's got me.
So the first fourth Amendment? Isit fourth? I'aying whatever amendment it was,

(01:30:38):
it got him killed and has aserviceman to this country. That's what
even more like he didn't been probablybeen at war, like to come back
on home soil in your own apartment, not even on home soil on your
own on the own you know,your own place. Yeah, it's your
second Amendment. Second Yeah, butI'm like in his own house there,

(01:31:00):
I said, No, A lotof it is you just doing your But
also police are being trained from whenI heard at a rapid rate right now,
like peace aren't even going to theacademy. So this problem is going
to get worse because of the shortages. You know, a lot of cops
and after that, uh, it'slike how the cop we forget though you
know we're starting to see the effecttoo after the January sixth. Shit,
excuse my language, right, buthow do you how do you eradicate like

(01:31:25):
racist bias? Like racial bias?How do you eradicate that? From Yeah,
that's where you are, That's whatI'm saying. How many weeks ago
was it we talked about when thepolice unloaded the weapon into the car with
the guy in the backseat and freakinghandcuff you're already padded him down exactly.
So why are you now? Youknow what? I think one piece of
a solution that I think and I'mactually seeing it in my own community a

(01:31:47):
little bit. I'm not saying it'sthe solution over all. You gotta build
trust, we gotta build police,gotta build trust with us. We gotta
build trust with police. Get outthe car and start walking again. Are
always think about that? I toldyou we knew our undercover cops today.
No, but you are undercover cops, YEP. I think it starts with

(01:32:12):
that, and also going back tothe residency requirement like years ago in certain
towns and borrows your police officers wererequired to live in the towns they patrol.
I think that plays a big part, because, let me tell you
something, you ain't gonna go shootand kill whoever when you know you got
to come back home in that samecommunity and deal with the people. Now,
why'd you kill him? M m? He was one of our own?

(01:32:32):
Why'd you kill one of your own? Just like pieces that white officer
I can't think his name. Rememberthe white officer who went viral a long
time ago, everybody because he livedin that black neighborhood and all, oh,
yes, yes, that's important.Some some I don't know. I
think Philadelphia still has it. Philadelphiamay still have a requirement, but Philly
is such a big city. ButI know where I live at on an

(01:32:53):
outskirts in the county. We usedto have a residency when I was a
child. You could not be acop in the town and not live there.
We knew all our cops, weknew the chief, we knew ever,
So it's building those trusts. Itgoes both ways, though, just
like we want them, we gotto start trusting cops too. I'm not
I get it. There's so manyreasons not to trust them. Believe me,

(01:33:13):
and it's in our DNA like,it's so it's so psychological that I
don't even know how we will evereven get But I think it starts with
get out your car, how youdoing, I'm officer, and us stop
staring at cops or you and mewhen they come on the scene, because
at the end of the day,we all want to need a cop,
w a ambulance. You call anambulance, who comes first of the police
officer? You understand what I'm saying. Yes, there has to be some

(01:33:39):
type of bridge between law enforcement andthe community because this we this this guy.
I don't know how or when orif, but this got to stop
it because you don't want it toget to the point where it's about to
be the wild wild West out here. And you know you call for and
I don't. I don't agree withd policing because sometimes I know you can't.

(01:34:02):
We all do. Don't agree withwe all need a cop. Let
me tell you something, and peoplewill say this all they want. The
majority of people. I would loveto look at a statistic on this.
I believe the majority and people inlife have had to call the cops at
least once, even if it wasbecause your grandma was get ready to have
a heart attack from what you're Thepolice officer is still the one next that.
Let me tell you how hard itis. And I know y'all going

(01:34:24):
they might grind me up. Andthis probably comes from because I have cops
in my family. But I'm gonnatell you why I'm not built to be
a cop. The same people thatGod forbid you shoot, they shoot you.
If I shoot them back, Igotta go save them after they didn't
try to kill me. Yeah,that's why I'm saying, we got to
look at and well you would.I don't know. I've seen it on

(01:34:45):
body camps, but I see whatI know. I know, but I'm
saying, you know you always gotthat one you don't. But this is
why I love the body can oranybody. I'm a big fan. I
watch body cam footage on YouTube everyday. I'm telling you there's more bad
police and there weren't. Sorry,there's more good police than bad police.
And I'll argue anybody down about that. When we're talking about a total right

(01:35:06):
right in the whole world. It'sunfortunate. It's the bad ones make the
summer jams oiled. A whole bunch. They make the summer jam screen because
of their yeah, violations and andand against the community. And we don't
make them account we not us,but ud like they need to be held
accountable. They do gotta, theygot we gotta stop counting them. Yeah,

(01:35:29):
because if you if Officer Brown getthirty five years for some dumb stuff,
guess what Officer Bryant about to do, y'all get on that exactly,
And that and that's another I'm soglad you said that. I think that's
another piece. So getting to knowyour building, trust, required to live,
required to live where you patrol.And then and the final like what

(01:35:50):
you just said, I think thatthat might be we ain't given the salute,
but I think that helps. Yeah, accountability definitely, we got to
make exact start making examples out ofsome of them. Yeah, I definitely
want to extend my thoughts, prayers, and candles to the family of Breonna
Winston as well as the family ofRoger Fortson. You know, it's just

(01:36:12):
like when will it end? Likejust please like it and it's not I
hate to hear about police killing anybody, but gotten darn it, you killed
a service serve in this country becausey'all can't pay me to sign up for
the army and we don't have youlook at it. Total, This is
just an example of how the vetsget treated period once they come back.

(01:36:35):
Oh girl, don't get me startedabout how the vets get treated. I
keep doing that. Sorry, checkmy email. But you know, just
yeah, but you're right, you'reyou're absolutely right. How the how they
get treated as it's horrible. Butour young black men, like you said,
I know they shoot. You hateto see them shoot anyone, but

(01:36:56):
unfortunately, I we know are ouryoung black men and women. Mm hmm.
It happens way too often. It'sthat's too much. Yeah, So
before we go, this one pieceof information that you need that you won't
be able to make it the restof the week without knowing Rashida and Kirk
Frost working on a documentary. SoI know that you needed to know that

(01:37:20):
in order to make it for therest of the week. Okay, yes,
Sure to get the scoop on allthe stories discussed today and more by
visiting ice cream combos dot com,where we serve deliciouscoops of entertainment and celebrity
news. All right, Carlo,let's go ahead and wrap this episode up?
You got any partner? We wrappingup like that? What a documentary?

(01:37:43):
I thought that we fall in loveand hip hop? What is the
documentary about? Watch the documentary inreal time. You're gonna try to leave
the show. You're gonna just throwthat out there on there, trying to
fly it out. Thank you?What's the documentary? My name Rashida?
And I wrapped like shady lo whatyou're doing? No shop Rashida, though,
because if it wasn't like you,So I have to give Rashida credit.

(01:38:06):
Regardless of what you may think orfeel about Rashida. Carl and I
owe Rashida a gratitude of love anda level of unwavering respect because it is
because of Rashida that Carla and Imet, Yes, and thanks to Rashida,
I had my bestest friend in mywhole whole life. So for that

(01:38:28):
very reason, I'll be like,thanks, miss Rashida. Hey, Darla,
Oh my gosh, you hit thatright on the head. That's how
you need this tool. You soundjust like a school Thank you, miss
Rashida. Yes, thank you Rashidafor that very reason. Now you said

(01:38:49):
it was another reason you said,oh no, I'm saying, you don't
remember why, Peter. I thinkwe still have great love for Rashida for
bringing us together. But do youremember when we invited we invited her on
the on the podcast and her attitudewas out awful, horrible, horrible.

(01:39:13):
I don't know her. Kurt kindabout that, Kurt the interview up right,
Yeah, yes, her attitude wasso awful and we were so excited
to bring her. How she madeus know each other. And yes,
oh my gosh, We've had somany people on this podcast, and some
of them I literally forgot about.Remember when Harley Red begged to be on

(01:39:35):
the podcast, got on the podcast, kept saying, you gotta watch the
show. You gotta watch the showwhole time, the whole time. Ain't
tell us nothing. At the timeshe was living with Benzino. I knew
that, but she was like,Okay, I watch this show. Yes,
yes, I was like, girl, you just wasted a whole half
hour our day. But no shoutout to receiving. I'm gonna talk it

(01:39:56):
up to Maybe her and Kurt wentthrough something before the show, But you
owe us you what was the attitudelesson? Okay? Yeah, when you
do the documentary, we're gonna inviteyou back. We may not come back
up. Did you see that blogpost I put it out? She may
not want to come back. Shemight not want to come back. But

(01:40:18):
yeah so I guess we'll keep youposted, you know. And yeah so,
be sure to connect with Carl andI we are on social media.
You can follow the ice Cream Convospodcast on Instagram or Facebook. Be sure
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you know, where whatever socials youlike to hang out. We there right

(01:40:42):
there. We did literally trust meto. But yeah, so all right,
Carling, now can we wrap itup? Yes, okay, get
the people, some partners. Ohno, I just want to give another
shout out to It was teacher appreciationweek, all the educators, para professionals,

(01:41:04):
uh pas, one on one,uh cafeteria everybody. No, because
seriously, I know it's a thanklessjob, but we truly, truly thank
you. We love you. Andyes, what did you just say?
Did you say stay out it?Don't let them unbraid your hair? What
you say at your hair and stayout there? Yes? No nails,
no hair? What else? Nopedicures, no nothing good. Lord shout

(01:41:28):
out to mister Shawnes. See though, I will reminder, will you rem
shut me tell you about mister Shaughnessyreal quick, since we talk about inappropriate
and you know I can't tell thatstory. To tell me, you have

(01:41:50):
to tell the story at another timewhen I don't mention his name because I
don't want y'all to link. Youwill let me know what you will,
let me know to death, butlet y'all know later we can this paulk
co Car get off the pub andI don't even gonna do his breathe He
was a white man. Oh yeah, let's wrap this up. Was my

(01:42:11):
first white crush outside of the littleboy from New Kids on the Block,
This little boy Joey. Oh yes, we'd have been fighting. I'm so
glad back then you can't have myJoey. We would have been out there
over Joey, right out there tussling. Stop playing. I think they tore
now our great tour again. Thought, yeah, I've seen Joey lady.

(01:42:32):
I was like, yeah, I'mgood, That's what I'd be like.
Where had mister shawness You want toget on Facebook real quick to look up
mister shawness. See, it ain'ta lot of them in Jersey about the

(01:42:55):
looking right up. Oh look,you know what I'm saying. Oh my
gosh. All right, well,we love y'all, and shout out to
all the educators. We love you. Thank you. I c C friends
for tuning into another episode of today'spodcast. That's my baby texting me.
If y'all hear all that dinging inthe background so need to pay attention in
class, let me text back.You better not be taking nobody braids.

(01:43:19):
But all right, love you guys, and we will see you next week.
I CEC we all, we gotyes, Love y'all.

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