A Trump Victory & a Media Reckoning - In The Tank #472 - In The Tank

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Donald Kendal (00:12):
Ladies and gentlemen, we are live on this
wonderful episode of the In theTank podcast. Donald j Trump has
been elected as our 47thpresident of the United States.
Trump's victory comes after ayear long campaign by the media
to paint the president-elect asa racist, sexist, fascist,

(00:34):
second coming of Hitler. But itlooks like the media's narrative
completely fell on its face, andit looks like Trump is gonna not
only win the election, but evenlock up the popular vote. We are
gonna be talking about all ofthis and more and maybe what
even what the, first 100 days ofthe next administration is gonna
look like on episode 472 of thein the tank podcast.

(02:04):
Welcome to the show, everybody.As always, I'm your host, Donald
Kendall. Joining me, I've got afull crew. We're in a bit of a
celebratory mood. I may be alittle bit more enthusiastic
than that lady in the intro.
But, joining us, I've got JimLikely, VP of the Heartland
Institute. He is muted, but I'msure he's gonna take that off
before he says anything. How areyou doing today, good sir?

Jim Lakely (02:26):
I I am doing good. I muted it because I was laughing
so hard. I hope you enjoyedthat, little twist to the intro
for this week. I did that justfor you, Donnie, and for, and
for all of our wonderfulviewers. And, actually, it was
tiny Trump here, tiny Trump.
He he talked to me the otherday, and he said, you really
need to change the intro. Yep.That that guy too. So, yeah,
it's a it's a good day. It's agood day.

(02:49):
It's a good week. It's going tobe a good holiday season, and
hopefully it's going to

be a a good 2025 and beyond. Also joining us, we
have Justin Haskins, seniorfellow here at the Emerging
Issue Center at the HeartlandInstitute. How are you doing
good, sir? I'm okay. It's alittle bit

Justin Haskins (03:06):
of a mixed bag for me. I mean, I'm happy that,
things turned out the way theydid on election day overall, but
I'm a little bit sad that, youknow, it's probably the end for
Kamala Harris.
know, I'm gonna miss the cackle.I'm gonna miss, you know, the
the endless gaps. I mean, shewas incredible for material.

(03:28):
Like, she was she was just greatin that sense. You know?
She was. Like, comparing her toI mean, Joe Biden was, at a
class all of his own. Yeah. Imean, I mean, I'm gonna miss it.
I'm gonna miss it. That off.Like, like Al Gore like Al Gore,
I don't miss him. Like, I missnothing Kerry. Sean Kerry.

It's unfortunate.

Anything about him. Barack Obama? No.
Absolutely not. That guy was anightmare.
But these 2? Yeah. Yeah. I'mgonna miss them. They're

I'm sure we're gonna

be talking. Best. They were the best at
being the worst, and that's some

of the worst.
Look at that. That's the theworst wearing it right there.
Also joining us, we've got ChrisTalgo, editorial director here
at the Heartland Institute. Howare you doing today, good sir?

Chris Talgo (04:21):
Doing good. And, so I think the thing that I'm most
excited about is July 4, 2026 isgonna be a big year, 250th
anniversary, and guess who'sgonna be at the head of that
celebration? Donald Trump.Cannot Donald Trump. Wait.
Cannot wait.

Oh, yeah. You know, so much to talk about. So
so much to talk about. Butbefore we get into any of it, of
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more people. With that out ofthe way, let's get into it. Like
I said, lots to talk about.Something big happened on
Tuesday night. You may havemissed it, and that, of course,
is the fact that Justin and Inailed our prediction.

(05:45):
If those people weren't, Andy, Ithink I sent you the link to
that map. You gotta show it. Forthose that, didn't watch last
week's episode, the last episodebefore the election, we all did,
prediction maps, the electoralcollege maps. And Justin and I,
coincidentally, had the exactsame map. And the most marvelous

(06:06):
thing about this map is that itis absolutely dead on Hillary,
sorry, Hillary.
Kamala Harris taking home 226electoral votes. Donald Trump
reeling in 312. I think someplaces don't necessarily have
Nevada and Arizona called yet,but, I think it's just a matter

(06:26):
of time there. So, Justin,before we get into any of the
politics stuff, Donald Trump,blah blah blah blah,

care to take a victory lap? What do

you what do you what do you have to say about,
our amazing predictiveabilities?

I absolutely will take this opportunity to
take a victory lap. It isn'teasy making predictions going
out on a limb, as we both did.

Yes.

But when you're this good, sometimes you gotta
do it. Sometimes you just gottado it. And and so, you know, I
feel really good about it. I Imean, frankly, this isn't the
first time I we I actuallypredicted the 2016 election as
well. I don't know if we havethat that record anywhere, but,

(07:15):
I got that one pretty darn closeas well.
So, it feels great. I was alittle bit worried going into
election day that I'd be tiredof winning after getting it
right, but I'm not. I'm nottired of winning. So we're gonna
keep your times rolling. Itfeels it feels great.

(07:35):
Look. The reality is this. Thethe reason we got it right is
really the the what it comesdown to is we believe we looked
at the poll numbers, and we sawthat the poll numbers showed
Trump winning slightly in mostof the swing states and losing
very, very slightly in the, in acouple of I think only 2. I

(07:57):
think it was Nevada andMichigan. And so we basically
just said, look.
The pollsters have been wrong.The last two presidential
elections, they have over,stated the amount of support for
the Democrat by usually a fewpoints in almost all the swing
states. Not all of them, butmost of them. And if they just
do what they've done, the last 2presidential elections, and we

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apply that to this time, he'sgonna win huge. He's gonna win
in all these states.
So we just applied that logic tothe map, and we ended up with
exactly the result that we saidbefore because the pollsters are
hopelessly biased and terrible.Our good friends over at the at
at Rasmussen, Rasmussen reports,were were spot on in how they

(08:39):
predicted the election, becausethey were not infusing their
polls with biased analyses andoutdated ways of of, coming up
with results, and they weren'trelying on faulty understandings
about the 2020 race. So, I mean,it was it it just makes perfect
sense. The the the pollsterscontinue to get it wrong because

(09:03):
they really don't understand theAmerican people, and they
actually want to give the falseperception that Democrats are
more likable than they actuallyare. And that's how we ended up
coming to the conclusion that we

Is it it's like, how did you how did you get it
right on the money? How did youget it right? What are you, some
type of genius or something?Yes. Alright, so let's move on
to the actual watching resultshere.
So, well the other thing, I'lltoot this horn as well. I made a
second prediction on the showlast week. I said that this

(09:35):
wasn't gonna be 10 days outbefore we know the the outcome
of the election. We are gonnaknow that night. And, I said
maybe it'll bleed over intoWednesday, but, we're gonna know
before the next step, the nextepisode of this show.
Nailed that one as well. I don'tit depends on how late you
stayed up, but, it was calledessentially that night, at least
by most places. I, myself,stayed up till 2 o'clock in the

(09:59):
morning. Actually, I ended upstaying up later because of baby
not wanting the sleep issues.But I stayed up to 2 o'clock in
the morning when the New YorkTimes, declared Pennsylvania for
Donald Trump, and that wasenough for me to put the phone
down and, rest easy knowing thathe was gonna pick up Alaska, and
that would be 270.
End of story. So, I mean, Jim,we I was sweating it. The reason

(10:26):
I stayed up till 2 o'clock inthe morning is because I was
sweating it the whole time. Youknow, I was watching
Pennsylvania. I was watchingMichigan, seeing little minute
decreases in his lead, and I wasjust so worried that if I put
the phone down or went to sleepor something, I would wake up to
bad news.
I did not want that to happen.You guys all seem confident. I
was on a group chat with you andJustin and a few other people.

(10:47):
You all seem confident. So wereyou sweating it at all that
night, or or what was your take?

Jim Lakely (10:51):
I mean, I was sweating it a little bit. I
mean, I I thought that thereturns coming in were good. I
saw the you know, I wasmonitoring Twitter all day. I I
will say that it's a good thingthat we are our podcast is on
Thursdays and not on Wednesdays.I was a little bit, tired.
Let's just say that onWednesday, because I was up
probably until, 3 AM. I wantedto stay up not only to see that

(11:14):
the the New York Times andothers have confirmed that
Donald Trump was our will be the47th president of the United
States, but I also wanted toenjoy the liberal tears on CNN
and MSNBC. I don't have cablecable, but I have a friend who
gives me a login so I couldwatch it on my iPad, and I just
kept flipping back and forthbetween MSNBC and CNN, and it
was, it was glorious. This wasgoing to be historic night. This

(11:37):
was going to be a night that Iwould remember just like in 2016
when it was a a shock to theworld that Donald Trump won.
But, yeah, seeing the early, youknow, going into election day,
the Republicans had done moreearly voting than they had ever
done, and by a long, long way,you know, actual data was

(11:58):
showing that Republicans weredoing more early voting than
Democrats, especially in theswing states. And the
conventional wisdom, even fromkind of glum Democrats was that
holy moly. The Democratic partyis gonna have to do an election
day surge like they've neverdone in their entire life, as a
party, and it just didn'tmaterialize. And as the as the

(12:18):
night wore on, it was, it wasinteresting to see that, yes, a
polling company that theHeartland Institute works with,
Rasmussen, was one of the one ofvery few that had this race,
accurately pulled all the wayacross. I heard I was watching,
Megan Kelly's show on YouTubeand SiriusXM, yesterday, and,
she was just railing against thepollsters.

(12:39):
Oh, we we shouldn't believe anypollsters anymore. They're
always wrong. All the pollstersgot it wrong. And I was like,
no. No.
No, Megan. Rasmussen got itright. And so, you know, getting
all that. So I was let's justsay I was cautiously optimistic
because you just never knowwhat's going to happen. But,
yeah, it was, it was amazing.
I I missed the mark of 312 byjust 1. The only state I had

(13:02):
going to democrats that DonaldTrump actually got was the state
of Michigan. I know that theconventional wisdom again is
that if you take one of theGreat Lakes states of
Pennsylvania, Michigan, andWisconsin, you usually get all
3. I wasn't quite ready to buythat yet, but, you know, it's a
good day. It's a good it was agood night.

(13:23):
And, look. This was a sweepingmandate for Donald Trump. You
know? The the the real blessinghere is that this isn't even
remotely close, that we did knowon election night or election
morning, if you wanted to stayup till 2:30 in the morning or 3
o'clock, you did know beforethat you had to go to bed who
our next president was gonna be.That's the way it used to be in

(13:43):
this country.
Our our vote counting systemsstate to state are still garbage
for the most part except if youlive in the great state of
Florida, and so we need to cleanthat up. But, it looks like we
had an election that was runfairly, that was run
transparently, and that's,reflected accurately in a
sweeping mandate

the will of the people.

Jim Lakely (14:04):
And that's something to really be gladful, grateful
for.

Yeah. There's a comment, from Peter in the chat
here that says, if you fallasleep, then Freddie will come
and dump a 1,000,000 votes

for Harris.
That's right.

That's exactly right. I would not sleep until I
knew, that at least the New YorkTimes was calling it. So that's,
that was keeping me awake atnight. Chris, the other thing.
So I I was kinda keeping trackof the New York Times, website,
their tracker of all of it.
Very detailed stuff. But thething the page that I kept

(14:35):
refreshing religiously was theirlittle, like, ticker that was,
like, the likelihood of acandidate winning. And at the
towards the beginning of thenight, I don't know if it was,
like, 5050, but when I startedpaying attention to this little
New York Times ticker, I thinkit was at, like, 60%. And just
watching it go up, 61% chance ofDonald Trump winning, 62% chance
of Donald Trump winning. On andon and on and on.

(14:55):
But then it would go up to,like, 75, and I'm feeling
confident, and then it wouldjust tick back to 74. And I
would panic. I would panic. Oh,no. It's going the wrong
direction.
Get up to 91%, then it would goback to 90. Oh, no panic. So,
like, that's how on edge I wasall night despite how everything
was turning out. In hindsight, Ikind of feel silly about that,

(15:15):
but I was sweating it so much.But that was my feeling.
High anxiety that entire night.What was, what was your your
take on election night?

Okay. So, I mean, I did text a couple times with
you, and you were asking meearly on, like, what do you
think? And I told you I said, Ithink things are looking good.
So this is what what I did. Iwent home, and once they started
talking about once they releasedthe exit polls and started to
dive into them, to be honest, Iwas a little worried, and here's
why.
Okay. Because the the, you know,exit polls can be a Rorschach

(15:46):
test for, like, any, you know,for and anyone can interpret
them in any different way. Butokay. So the first one that came
out was, right track, wrongtrack. 70% of people said
country's on the wrong track,only 30% right track.
I was like, woah. That's great.That's really great. But then
they started really getting intothe, favorability factor. And
when they talked about DonaldTrump, uh-oh, I had noticed

(16:06):
that, he was way underwater onfavorability factor.
Uh-oh, Kamala Harris was, youknow, less underwater than
Trump. Then they started to, togo into the, most important
issues. It was, grocery pricesand gasoline. A cost of, you
know, living was was the the bigone. Went into, has your life

(16:27):
become better or worse last 4years, in terms of, you know,
financial?
It was, vast majority, severelyworse or much worse. Inflation,
same thing. So I was like, wow.These kinda give me, like, you
know, mixed signals. I don'tknow what to think of it.
But what happened was when therubber met the road and people
had to go in there and casttheir vote, you know what they

(16:49):
did? They said, I don't careabout the guy's personality. I
care about the guy's policies,and that's what won the day. So
I'm just very glad that enoughAmericans, you know, like,
10,000,000 or so actually, saidwe're not going to vote on this
guy's, you know, tweets and andsome of the things he said over
the years. We're gonna vote onthe fact that we can't afford to

(17:12):
put gasoline in our car, and wecan't afford to go to the
grocery store, and that's whatmatters.
So thank god that the Americanpeople woke up and, voted with
their minds and not theirhearts. That's to me that to me
was the number one biggestsurprise. Now one thing I do
wanna talk about is okay.Obviously, we, we not we. The

(17:33):
Republican party is gonnacontrol the senate.
52 right now, possibly gonna getto 53 if, McCormick can win in
Pennsylvania. I'm annoyed at thehouse races, and I'm especially
annoyed at California becausethe past couple election cycles,
California takes days, if notweeks, to count congressional
races. Why is that? Why are,like, the vast majority of the

(17:57):
outstanding races that are stillnot called almost all in
California. Now I'm not sittinghere accusing all of fraud, you
know, valid, corruption, oranything like that.
But can you please just get youract together so that we can know
a couple days after who's gonnacontrol the house of
representatives? Because nowthis thing is just lingering.
And I, when I got to work thismorning, I started checking some

(18:18):
of the sites, and I don't thinkwe're gonna know this for, you
know, a couple more days atleast. I I in in some of the
races in California, they'veonly counted barely over 50% of
the ballots. How is thatpossible?
I just don't understand it.Like, you know, Jim said
earlier, Florida had almostevery vote, counted by, you
know, like, by Oh, no. We knew.Yeah. Yeah.

(18:40):
So we knew straight up what wasgoing on there in Florida. You
know, I I was happy that, youknow, Michigan and some of the
other, Wisconsin, Pennsylvaniagot their act together and, you
know, were able to do that, youknow, pretty easily. Arizona
took a couple days, butwhatever. It didn't even matter
at that point. But, yeah, I I II do I just want some closure on
the state of the house becausethat's gonna be a big deal going

(19:00):
forward.

Yeah. No. It's, Justin, you when I was telling
you my kind of election night,story and staying up till 2
o'clock, sweating it out,whatever, You're like, oh,
really? You're like, I was inbed by 10 o'clock. So so so you
were cool as a cucumber.
You thought this was a bad earlyin the night or what?

Once so, what I was most nervous about at first
was Georgia. Once we knew thatGeorgia was good to go, I was
never really that worried aboutNorth Carolina. But, once it was
clear that Georgia and NorthCarolina were, you know, solid,
I knew that at that moment,basically, Trump only needed to

(19:47):
win, there there were there wereseveral diff they needed to win
2 out of the remaining swingstates, and there were a bunch
of different combinations thatwould allow that to happen. And
I also knew that if he just wonPennsylvania, it was over. So
once we reached that point intime where he was leading in
Pennsylvania, you had the NewYork Times saying there's, like,

(20:08):
an 80 something percent chancehe's gonna win Pennsylvania.
And then if he winsPennsylvania, it's over. But
even if he lost Pennsylvania,there's still several other
paths to victory. I was like, Ifeel pretty good about this. And
then by by the time we get to 90something percent estimate that
Pennsylvania was going to Trump,I was done. So I was I was in

(20:29):
bed.
Yeah. I didn't I didn't seeTrump's, acceptance speech.

Oh, I

stayed up for that. Yeah. I I didn't get I
didn't get that. I I didn't. Imean, I really I really felt
very good.
Probably better than I shouldhave going to but but it just
seemed like it wasn't just whatwe were seeing in the swing
states. It was also that acrossthe board, Kamala Harris was
losing compared to Joe Biden.She she was underperforming

(20:58):
compared to Joe Biden basicallyeverywhere. And and and that is
just a terrible, terrible,terrible sign. And as I have
said, 50,000 times to everyonewho will listen over the past
year, Donald Trump lost the lastelection by fewer than 50,000
votes combined in 3 states.

(21:20):
Right. So he the margin for himto win was actually he didn't
need to gain that much ground towin. That that's the reality. If
he just did slightly, slightly,slightly better in the right
places, he would have won thelast time even with all the
other issues. So I because wewere seeing Virginia much closer

(21:42):
than it should've been, he wasdoing much better in Georgia
than he did the last time.
He was doing better than a lotof people thought in North
Carolina. He was doing better inall these various counties,
important swing counties inPennsylvania, other places. It
was like it just the odds thatshe would somehow, sneak that
out while underperforming in allthese other places just seemed

(22:03):
so low to me that, I felt reallygood about it. And that was why
the New York Times and andorganizations like that were so
you know, why their predictionswere 80, 90 something percent
pretty early on because she wasdoing so badly. This was a total
and complete rejection of aperson at a scale that you

(22:25):
really don't see very often.
I mean, just complete rejectionof this person.

There was one point awesome. There was one
point. I I'm watching New YorkTimes, you know, trackers of all
the stuff. There was one pointwhen the first batch of votes
came in, maybe the first 15, 20%came in for Minnesota, and it
went from leaning blue totoss-up just for, like, 20
minutes or something, and I wasjust dying. I was laughing so
hard.
I'm like, if Trump takesMinnesota, this will be, like,

(22:52):
the greatest election of alltime.

Yeah. You know what's funny? Is they did you
know, they do that stupid notchthing in New Hampshire. It's
like the first people who've whothe first results are this tiny
little town in New Hampshirecalled Dixville notch, and
there's only, like, 10 voters orsomething like that. 6.

It's like 6.

Six voters. There's like nobody who lives
there. And and, I think Jim senta text message to us saying
something like, in Dixville, notyou went from, like, 5 for Joe
Biden and one for Trump the lasttime.

6 nothing.

Oh, so was it 6 nothing? It's something

that's 33.

It was clearly and it was like, is this a sign
of things to come? And,obviously, he's, like, half
joking. But I think there's sometruth in that. I think he's
landslide. I said it's 3

Jim Lakely (23:36):
to 3 in Dixville Notch. Landslide.

You could take you could take a sample. That
was the most incredible thingabout this. You could take a
sample from almost anywhere, andit showed Trump doing better,
and it showed her doing worse.Mhmm. And it didn't matter where
in America.
In Rhode Island. In freakingRhode Island, which is, like,
the most corrupt blue state onthe face of the planet.

(23:59):
Republicans haven't been incharge of Rhode Island in, like,
a 100 years or something crazylike that, and that's real. I
think it's, like, in the 19twenties was the last time. They
had they had, like, 40 somethingpercent of the vote went to
Trump.
It was, like, the highest thatthat the repub a republican
presidential candidate has donethere in forever. I mean, this

(24:20):
is just it just was everywhere.It was everywhere. Even in
places that still voted forKamala, it was not to the level
of Biden or Obama or Kerry orGore or any of those people. And
it's just, like I said, it it arejection on a national scale of
a person unlike anything we'veseen in a really long time.

Chat, I chat, I'm wondering, anyone that's
watching this, I'm curious ofkind of your level of anxiety
during the night. Scale from 1to 10, what was the high
watermark of anxiety that youwere feeling during election
night? Put it in the chat. I'mvery curious to know. But, just
staying on this topic ofelection outcomes and exit

(25:05):
polls, I wanted to read some ofthese findings.
So, there was there was a bunchof I mean, so I'm not an expert
in this, the exit poll stuff,and and, you know, so feel free
to hop in and fill in somecontext in regards to kind of
historical comparisons,whatever. But there was a couple
of stories that I kind of kepthearing throughout the night

(25:27):
when it came to the interestingdemographic makeups of some of
the votes that were coming in,especially in some of the
specific counties. But onething, for example, according to
exit polls in key states, Trumpreceived 46% of Hispanic and
Latino votes compared to KamalaHarris's 52. That's only a 6
point, 6 percentage pointdifference between those, and

(25:49):
that was up from 32% in 2020 forTrump. So it went from 32% in
2020 Hispanic votes for Trump upto 46.
That is a massive increasethere. And if you break it down
by gender, Donald Trump actuallywon the Latino men vote, 55% to
Kamala Harris's 43% of thatspecific demographic. And then

(26:12):
one county in Florida, inparticular, there that has,
like, a large Puerto Ricanpopulation, Trump way over
performed in that county from 4years ago, flipping that county
red if I'm not mistaken. So thewhole story about that whole
story about, that one comedianduring that rally, that said,

(26:33):
like, a joke about Puerto Ricoor whatever, apparently, that
didn't resonate too much, butwe'll get to the media's lack
of, influence soon. Trump'ssupport from black voters went
up from 2020 according to theUSA Today article, which I don't
have in the show notes.
Trump only got 8% of black votesin 2020, and this percentage
increased substantially to 13%nationally. And the shift was

(26:58):
even more significant inPennsylvania where black men
supported Trump at a rate of 24%in that very crucial state. 24%,
a rate more than double, morethan, or more than double 4
years ago. So, though, those arevery interesting, exit poll
results. And then also when itcomes to women, Harris carried

(27:18):
that demographic only 53% to 45,only an 8 percentage point
difference there.
So, I mean, maybe Jim or Chris,one of you can probably fill me
in kind of the relativismcompared to other Republican
candidacies in the past. But,from the just the basic
anecdotal stuff that I've heard,it seemed like Trump did a lot

(27:42):
better in those, in in thoseexit poll demographic stuff that

I gotta I I gotta say something. You're totally
right about that. Trump outoverperformed among almost all
the demographic groups. Youknow, a lot of people thought
that this would, be determinedby women, and Trump actually
increased his vote share withwomen by 3 percentage points.
Like you said earlier, he,improved it, immensely with,

(28:06):
Hispanic voters.
But, Donnie, this is what Ireally took away from the
election. It's not aboutidentity politics anymore. You
know what it is? It it's aboutit's about the working class.
And Donald Trump was able tocobble together a working class
coalition that has not been ableto be done by Republicans since

(28:27):
since probably Ronald Reagan in,84, I I would say, because,
George Shubby Bush was not ableto put that kind of coalition
together.
So for, you know, for all theseyears, Donald Trump has been
focusing on these these commonsense issues about, hey. We
should stop sending our jobsoverseas. Hey. We should stop
overregulating so that companiescan't build things here in the

(28:48):
United States. Hey.
Maybe we shouldn't have a wideopen border because that
actually hurts American workers.All of that resonated so much
with such a wide swath ofvoters. It didn't matter if you
were a woman, if you were black,if you were gay, if you're
straight, or any of that stuff.All that mattered is if you're
saying, hey. You know what?
I want the American dream. Iwanna be able to go to the

(29:10):
grocery store and be able to,you know, have some money left
over. I wanna buy a house.That's what this, I think that's
what this election was reallyabout. It was about, do you want
to be able to work hard and, youknow, have prosperity?
That's what this was about. Now,yeah, there were a bunch of
other issues on this. Of course.No doubt, freedom and and, you
know, freedom of choice, whetherit's, you know, being able to

(29:32):
choose what kind of applianceyou can have or what kind of car
you wanna drive, all that kindof stuff. I do think that that
played a big role.
But when you look at the exitpolling, one of the big things
was the economy, immigration,and crime. Those 3 outweighed
abortion, and that's what theDemocrats were really thinking
that this was gonna be allabout. It's gonna be all about
abortion, abortion, abortion.That did not pan out for them.
And, also, I do think thatthey're, you know, calling Trump

(29:55):
Hitler and Nazi and, you know,dictator and all this stuff.
I think it really backfired onthem because one of the other
big things from the exit pollingwas, democracy. And, on the CNN
panel, they were all saying,well, that's bodes so well for
Kamala because Kamala is theprotector of democracy. But
that's actually not whathappened because I think a lot
of Republicans thought, hey.Wait a second. The Democrats,

(30:17):
they're not about democracy.
Look what they did with the lawfair. Look what they did with
just putting her in, you know,in in in charge. Look at look
what they did with, you know,stabbing Biden in the, you know,
right in front of the, you know,American people and and, you
know, ushering in this coup. SoI think that that backfired on
them. And I think that what thisreally I I what I hope this does
is this builds a working classcoalition that the Republican

(30:40):
party is gonna be able to bridgeinto the future for, hopefully,
you know, elections to come.

Jim Lakely (30:46):
Yeah. You know, it's, Justin on this podcast has
said a lot that, you know,Trump's big Achilles heel is,
basically suburban white women.According to the exit polls, he
won white women across thecountry, but with 52%. 52% of
white women in the United Statessupported Donald Trump for
president. And, that's despitethe fact I live here in
Illinois.

(31:07):
This obviously, the presidentialrace was not competitive here,
but and and I don't even watchregular TV on on my streaming.
I'm watching YouTube. Everysingle commercial was abortion
abortion abortion. They're gonnatake away in vitro fertilization
and all this other kind ofstuff. Well, I guess it turns
out that more women are actuallyconcerned about the price of

(31:27):
groceries and inflation, thanthey are about, about abortion
or at least half of them are.
You know, obviously, this thiselection was a referendum on the
Biden's disastrous economicpolicy, on inflation being out
of control, which was caused bygovernment in his in his
policies, the disastrous borderpolicy. And by the way,

(31:47):
Hispanics in the United Statesare not all for illegal
immigration. This is some sortof assumption Democrats seem to
make. They don't realize thatAmerican citizens don't want,
illegal immigration whetherthey're black, white, or
Hispanic, or or Asian or anyone.Illegal immigration causes chaos
in our communities, includingthe Hispanic communities, in the
border states.
And in fact, Biden, I think, wonnot Biden. Trump won. He won a,

(32:12):
I think, a majority Puerto Ricandistrict in the state of
Florida, county in in state ofFlorida, and he also won border
counties that are dominated byHispanics in Texas. And so this
so so it seems like every bit ofmessaging from the left and from
the Democrats fell flat withtheir with their demographics.
We we had a chart up there aminute ago that showed that

(32:32):
Donald Trump, with the exceptionof 2 states, he did better in,
every single state than he didin 2020, except for, I think,
the the exceptions were washWashington state and Utah where
it was a slight decrease in whathis performance was in 2020.
And some of these states isremarkable. Florida, huge
increase. Texas, huge increase.New York, New Jersey, huge

(32:53):
increases. So he narrowed thegap.
And, again, I Chris is right.The these are, you know, middle
class, working class Americans.And I really think the the real
takeaway here is that this wasan election where the American
people just said enough. Enoughwith all of this. This was a
vote against the insanity of thelast 4 years.
And to get out of my face withall this stuff already, you

(33:13):
know, get you know, enough withthe radical leftist agenda in
our public schools. You know,stop stop weaponizing the
tolerance we have as goodnatured Americans, and then use
that to impose craziness on allaspects of our society from drag
screen drag queen story hoursto, you know, you know, we went
from, having the book Heatherhas 2 mommies in our in our

(33:34):
public schools, I don't know,20, 30 years ago, to now books
like Gender Queer, which havegraphic depictions of sex in
them in middle schools. Andpeople have just said enough.
And if you showed up at yourlocal school board to complain
about it, the FBI is gonna openup a file on you as a dangerous,
terrorist in America. You know,the the tolerance that Americans

(33:55):
have, you know, we we were toldto just accept the unfairness of
having biological men competingin girls and women's sports, or
else if you don't accept that,you're a disgusting hateful
bigot.
That's not true. The Americanpeople do not believe that. And,
and they said enough with that.You know, Americans want to be
persuaded of things. They don'twanna be forced to do things

(34:17):
against their, you know, commonsense in nature just because
you're gonna threaten withcanceling them or or, you know,
or some other kind of socialcost to it, you know.
And and I really do believe thatthis election I think the COVID
lockdowns and the insanity andthe lies that this government,
undertook during COVID, I thinkthere was a a big hangover from

(34:38):
that still, and people were werewere talking about it, and
they're sick of the constantscolding. This election, the
American people said, enoughEnough with this. Enough with
DEI, which has turned ourinstitutions from our from
businesses to universities tosports, everywhere. It's made
them worse. It's made it it'sled to the decline of these once
respected institutions.

(35:00):
The American people said,enough. Enough with all of this.
Leave me alone. Stop with thenagging. Stop with the racial
guilt you're supposed to havebecause you're a white person in
this country.
Stop insisting everybody be anally of whatever the latest
leftist political cause is, orelse we're gonna label you a
terrible human being. Enough.All of that stuff is crazy. We

(35:21):
don't agree with it, and we'retired of having it in our faces.
Now Justin may think I'mprojecting a little bit here
because that's what I voted for,but I think the the broad
rejection of the leftist agenda,there was a chance to do it on
Tuesday.
And Americans from all over thecountry, even in blue states,
said enough. We've had enough ofthis. Your policies are

(35:43):
terrible. The way you talk to usis terrible. You you you insult
us.
You call this country racist. Wedo not agree with that because
it's false because that is notwhat America is. And and,
November 5, 2024 was when theAmerican people told the
Democrats and the left whatAmerica really

is. Yeah.

You might have actually heard Jim on election
night shouting out his window.I'm mad as hell, and I'm not
gonna take it anymore.

You're right.

So, yeah, I mean, I think that those exit poll
numbers, are particularlyinteresting because they just
fly so much in the face of justthe media narratives that were
constructed to undermine Trumpin the last few months,
particularly, but generally overthe last several years. And the
entire election was basicallybuilt on this idea that Trump is
a racist and a sexist. And Ithink that those numbers that I

(36:32):
repeated just kinda showed thatpeople just aren't believing the
BS spouted by the media anymore,at least not in the numbers that
are enough to sway a majority ofthe country, and that and that's
including popular vote. And,Justin, you wrote an article,
about this. Why don't why don'tyou, give us your thoughts?

Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, I I think that the
media I I think there well,look. The the article, which was
published in the Blaze, totoday, is asking the question,
who is the biggest loser in thiselection? And, Tim Wals.

Tim Wals. Was it Tim Wals?

No. No. No. Definitely not. From my
perspective, actually, they'rethey're the Kamala Kamala Harris
and Tim Walz are no nowhere nearthe biggest losers of this
election, which I think a lot ofpeople are kinda surprised to
hear that.
I think it's a really veryobvious who the biggest losers
are. Kamala Harris and Tim Walzare 2 people who have absolutely

(37:30):
no business being anywhere nearthe White House. They shouldn't
even be allowed on tours to goinside the White House. They
should just be kept away likevagrants. Like, they have no
business going anywhere nearthere, and yet they almost
became president and vicepresident even though they're
completely unqualified, horriblyunlikable, terrible politicians.

(37:53):
Kamala Harris didn't get asingle primary vote from a
Democrat. Despite running twice,she never got a primary vote,
and yet somehow she almostbecame president. From my
perspective, that's a huge win.This person should not have been
anywhere near the White House,and she almost became president.
That is remarkable.
That actually, I think, I I Imean, this is like a handicap

(38:16):
person almost winning a goldmedal in a race at the Olympics.
Okay? Like, you know, if he gets

mentally handicapped. We'll put

that aside.

Still. Snow. It's a if if if somebody with a
severe handicap is getting thebronze medal at the Olympics,
you're you know, that's prettygood. You know? So I feel like
that's the situation here.
I think the biggest losers byfar is the media. The media
spent 1,000,000,000 and1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000

(38:46):
of dollars worth of airtime,published 1,000 upon 1,000 of
articles collectively, inprobably the most, well, forget
about all the thousands ofhours, millions of hours maybe
of television over the course of10 years collectively, talking

(39:06):
about Donald Trump as a Nazi, asHitler, as his supporters being
degenerates and deplorable andtrash and, you know, not again,
white, white supremacists,Christian nationalists, on and
on and on. And they did this for10 years. 10 years. There was

(39:27):
one mission over 10 years.
It was to destroy one person.That was the mission. If you
were to start every single yearfor the past, at least, 9 years,
if you were to start probably10, and you were to go at the
beginning of each of those yearsand go to the heads of all of
these news departments andnewspapers and everything,
you're saying, what is yourprimary goal? What is your

(39:49):
primary hope and dream for thisyear? It was beyond their
selfish stuff.
It would be beat stop DonaldTrump. Make sure everyone knows
Donald Trump's the worst.That's, like, the primary goal.
And despite that being theprimary goal, all these outlets,
hundreds of outlets andnewspapers and television
stations running nonstopnegative coverage about one

(40:11):
person, they still could notaccomplish the mission of
keeping that one person out ofthe White House. Now that is
incredible because we're notsaying you have to, do
something, you know, we're we'renot talking about keeping this
guy from running a Denny's orsomething.
The bar for getting into theWhite House, it's really high
already. It's really hard. Soyou would think that if everyone

(40:33):
in the media practically wastrying to stop one person from
getting that job, they would beable to do it if they had any
influence at all. And yet theydidn't do it. They failed
spectacularly.
In fact, this was the bestelection of the 3. He's
consistently getting morepopular with every election in a

(40:54):
way. I mean, that's amazing.When you think about he's
getting more and more votes.This so what this shows beyond
any shadow of it out in my mindis that the mainstream media is,
for all intents and purposes,dead.
Now they're they're still alivewithin their echo chambers that
they have. And their echochambers are fairly big, so they

(41:16):
it's not as though they'recompletely dead. They're on,
like, life support. But when itcomes to their impact and
influence on the nationalconversation on shaping, real
results in society, transforminggovernment, doing things like
that. It is so obvious and clearthat these people do not have

(41:37):
the power that they once hadbefore.
It's not even remotely close.

Justin.

And and they'll never get it back. And and just
one one last thing on that. Ithink, since we talked about the
exit polls and all that otherstuff, I just wanna point point
something out. The the the proofof this is in the exit polls was
suggested earlier. What wasreally interesting is that white

(42:02):
people actually voted for Trumpat a lower rate than, say, Mitt
Romney in this election.
So if you go back to MittRomney, Mitt Romney actually did
better with white people thanDonald Trump. So there is some
degree some of this stuffappears to be working, the white
guilt stuff, the DEI stuff withwhite people. But when you

(42:23):
actually look at the minoritieswho you would think would be
most susceptible to it becausethey're the ones being told that
they're the victims and thatthey're the ones that are being
targeted, the the the supportgoing back to Obama to where we
are now is has plummeted forvirtually every group except for

(42:45):
well, yeah, basically everygroup if you're going back to
Obama. I mean, some of the theexit polls show, for example,
like Latinos, in 2012. ForObama, 71 percent 71% for
Hispanics, 73% for Asians.
In this election, it was 52%support for Democrats. For

(43:06):
Latinos, 54% for Asians. Sowe're talking about a 15 plus
percentage point decline fromObama to today Despite the fact
that the DEI stuff and all themedia narratives and the hands
up, don't shoot, all of thatstuff has dramatically
increased. And despite all ofthat, we're seeing a lot of
minorities shift away. Now repubnow white people are actually

(43:31):
seemingly not the people who areshifting away necessarily.
It's mostly the minorities whoare constantly being pandered
to, which is just incredible,but it shows what it shows
beyond any shadow of a doubt isthat the media is it does not
people do not trust the media.We've known that from polls for
a long time, but that that lackof trust has now translated into

(43:54):
the the the mainstream media isnot important in the way that it
once was. It's not able toimpact people in the way that it
once was, and the the lack oftrust has now reached a level
where they can't even destroystop a single person despite
spending 10 years doingobsessively doing nothing but
that. They can't stop thatsingle person from becoming

(44:15):
president. So this is a new eraof media because this is the
first time, in in probably a 100years that what I just said is
true.
At least a 100 years. And so, weare entering a whole new era of
of influence in media where theJoe Rogans of the world and the,

(44:36):
streaming services of the worldand YouTube and all of that are
collectively going to be moreare more influential than these
mainstream media outlets inshaping public opinion. And it
is it is thank god for that.That is probably the most
important thing to come out ofthis election.

Yeah. I I I've got something to say on that,
but, Chris, you were gonna jumpin?

Yeah. So, just a couple of things. First of all,
when you talk about, whitepeople, I think you need to
differentiate between collegeeducated and noncollege educated
because college educatedoverwhelmingly went for Harris
Walls, whereas noncollegeeducated overwhelmingly went
for, Trump, Vance. And, Justin,you kinda hit on what I was
gonna talk about, at the veryend there. So, yeah, the

(45:16):
mainstream media, I mean, I dowatch a lot of mainstream media,
MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News andothers.
First of all, their theirviewership was down across the
board, in in in the 2024, youknow, election, viewership. So I
could completely agree with youthat, vast majority of people
have just lost all confidence inthe mainstream media. But at the
same time, I think it'sinteresting that we're seeing

(45:38):
this rise of, these, like,alternative medias, whether it's
Joe Rogan or all these otherpodcasts Donald Trump went on.
And when you look back at thecampaign, Donald Trump barely
did any. He did almost zeromainstream media interviews,
especially on MSNBC, CNN, NBC,CBS, and ABC.
What did he do? He spent thevast majority of his time

(45:59):
reaching out to people who havegiant podcast audiences. I did
not watch that 3 hour Joe Roganinterview, but I think, you can
learn a lot more about someonefrom a 3 hour uncut interview
than a 3 minute, you know,prepared interview, on ABC or,
you know, CNN or whatever. So Ithink that, the media landscape
is changing. It's changingbefore our very eyes.

(46:21):
I think, you know, the rise ofsocial media is also gonna be a
big part of that. I agree withyou that the mainstream media is
extremely frustrated. I don'tknow if we're gonna go into this
later. I guess we kind of arewith the the spin and stuff,
but, it's been interesting towatch the past, you know, 24, 36
hours how different themainstream media is taking this.
You know, sometimes they aregetting introspective and

(46:42):
saying, gee, how did we missthis?
And then other times, it's likethey lurched the totally other
direction.

We'll get to that.

Okay. So, yeah, I do wanna just say to throw that
out there. It's it's been veryfascinating to watch.

Well, oh, Jim, I've got a I've got a question
for you because, I'm gonna spareour audience. We have a couple
of prepared clips. Jimmy Kimmelcrying about how this was a bad
night for everybody. Got AOCthat's talking about fascism on
the march and all of that. We'llwe'll save the audience for
having to deal with with any ofthat.
But I have no I have no sympathyfor those people, Jimmy Kimball

(47:13):
and and AOC and and the ladieson The View. I really don't. But
you started off the show and hadthat lady, like, crying in the,
the intro. Right? And there's amillion of those videos.
TikTok, reels, Instagram, all ofthese people just losing their
minds. And I've heard plenty ofanecdotal stories of people
losing their minds thinkingthat, like, women are not only

(47:36):
gonna be stripped of, like,their ability to get abortions,
but take like, their ability tobuy a house and have credit
cards taken away from them.Like, this idea that that, like,
Donald Trump is personallymailing them, a Handmaid's Tale,
you know, outfits to wear. Andit's just like the the idea that
fascism is on the march and thatpeople are gonna be, you know,

(47:56):
put in in camps, and he's gonnastart arresting all of his, you
know, political enemies. And Ijust, like, at at at at one
level, I just, like, shake myhead and just, like, oh my gosh.
You're you're so ridiculous. Buton the other level, I I have
this, like, sense of compassionfor them. Like, I feel sorry.
Like, they were abused by themedia. The media has been just,

(48:17):
like, stoking these flames foryears years years.
And I feel like these people,like, can't help but believe at
least some of it. So I I have,like, compassion from a like,
these are, like, abused people.Like, I I feel like there should
be some sort of, one of those,like, like, lawsuit commercials
where it's like, do you thinkthat Donald Trump is the second

(48:38):
coming of Hitler? Well, youmight be entitled, sir, for some
compensation because I feel likethe media should be held the
task for this. This isunbelievable that they're just
like you know, the the wordbrainwash gets thrown around a
lot, but these people areconditioned to really believe
this stuff.
And, I don't know. Maybe itmaybe it's because, you know,
like, I'm a father now and alittle bit more compassionate or

(48:59):
whatever, but I don't know. Whatwhat are what are your thoughts
on this?

Jim Lakely (49:03):
Good for you for being compassionate. And and
while that, while there areliterally thousands of videos
that you can see on x that aregrabbed from TikTok of mostly,
women going absolutely bat shithysterical crazy on camera. I
for 1, I don't even understand.Why do you film yourself doing
this, and why are you sharingthis with the world? Sure.

(49:26):
I think these there's there is ato be honest, when you see these
things, we have a mental healthcrisis in this country that is
not being addressed. So maybe ifthere's any good to come out of
it, it would be that. But thereis no reason for that for for
people to be screaming intocameras that, you know, a a dark
fascist night is now upon us. Imean, there's there was a there

(49:47):
was a clip that went viral of aof a black woman saying that she
thinks that, she she was afraidto go to bed because she didn't
wanna wake up tomorrow andbecause she might be a slave
tomorrow, meaning Wednesday. Imean, this and the mainstream
media is the one to is reallythe chief one to blame for all
of this.

(50:08):
As Justin mentioned, they spentthey've spent the equivalent of
maybe a $1,000,000,000,000 offree of of, you know, media
buys, calling Donald Trump andhis supporters fascists and
Nazis, and, you know, someonewho's gonna take all of your
rights away, and like you said,you know, put people in camps.
He's gonna be a dictator and allof this. But what did we see on

(50:30):
Wednesday afternoon? We sawKamala Harris go out, at Howard
University, her alma mater inWashington DC, and say that she
is going to, participate in thepeaceful handover of power, the
peaceful transfer of power toDonald Trump. Now if it really
is the case that Donald Trump isis a new Hitler or Mussolini or

(50:51):
some corner some kind of fascistdictator who is who's, you know,
a threat to everybody's life anda threat to our way of life here
in America.
Why would Kamala Harris saythat? She would say that because
not her, not any of hersurrogates actually believe that
Donald Trump is a fascist and isgonna be a dictator for life.
Oprah Winfrey on in the lastrally that she had in

(51:13):
Philadelphia, I believe, withKamala Harris said that this we
need to vote tomorrow, we needto vote against Donald Trump, or
this could be the last electionwe ever have. Right. You know,
because Donald Trump is a is afascist dictator, and he will
outlaw elections, and he willstay in office for life.
Apparently, I suppose to passover power to his son, Barron,

(51:33):
when he is old enough, to ruleover over the United States for
the next, you know, a 150 yearsor so. I don't know. Uh-huh.
Because Elon Musk will be thereto extend Barron's life until
he's 205 or something with thenew technologies he's bringing
about. I mean, we have a mentalhealth crisis in this country
because, to be honest, one partyand our dominant media have

(51:54):
dedicated all of theirattention, their power, and
their money to making peopleabsolutely crazy by lying to
them constantly about the natureof Donald Trump's first
presidency.
We all lived through it. I don'tremember any camps. In fact,
there was some disappointment onthe right that Donald Trump was
not able to accomplish as muchas he had promised and that a

(52:16):
lot of people had hoped. He dida lot of good. A lot of good
policies came out of DonaldTrump's first administration.
And, really, what's actuallyvery exciting about the next 4
years is that Donald Trump, inthat Joe Rogan interview,
admitted that he wasn't preparedto be president on day 1. He you
know, it's not like an a anormal politician where and
where they have the full supportof the party, and they have all

(52:37):
these people lined up that havebeen pre vetted and are ready to
take positions in government andimplement the agenda. And we
also forget that the RepublicanParty was not happy that Donald
Trump was elected president in2016, and they spent most of the
first two years ofadministration, the most
important two years of any newpresidency. They spent most of
that thwarting Donald Trump'sagenda, not wanting to cooperate

(52:59):
with him, and so it is amazingthat Donald Trump was able to
accomplish as much as he didfrom 2016 to 2020. The exciting
thing now is that he is ready,and the Republican party is
behind him, and the Americanpeople are behind him with a
sweeping mandate.
It's going to be there is gonnabe radical change in this
country. Radical change forgood, not not, you know, not
concentration camps for mediapeople. And and so, I hope that

(53:22):
I know this is putting hopebefore experience, but I I hope
that the end of this sort ofweaponized crazy making by our
media will end. I don't thinkso, but I hope Well,

what wait. Wait. Before you wait. Before you jump
in, there's a comment, from, itis I too that says, continue,
Jim. Need to show this to myextreme left sister.
So I've heard, like, a bunch ofthese anecdotes of people
talking to their friends andfamily that are just, like,
beside themselves, this fearthat Donald Trump is the second
coming of Hitler. And I had thisthought. I'm glad you brought up

(53:55):
the Kamala Harris concessionspeech, but I think, Chris,
maybe you told me that, oh,yeah. Reportedly, Kamala Harris
called up Donald Trump tocongratulate him, you know, on
winning the presidency. And it'sjust like, why would she do
that?
If she really thinks that he'sHitler, that he's some Nazi,
he's a fascist in waiting, whywould you call to congratulate

(54:15):
him? And why would youfacilitate

his transition? Right.

Are incongruent. Right? So to me, the only
logical explanation is that shedoesn't believe her own
rhetoric. They they court theyput themselves in a rhetorical
corner by going so extreme abouthim being a fascist and her
congratulating him calling himand congratulating him was proof
that she doesn't believe her ownrhetoric. So if she doesn't

(54:39):
believe it, none of hersupporters should believe it
either.
So anyone that's so worried thatthey're going to be marched off
into some camp, just know thatKamala Harris doesn't even
believe that BS. So, that thatwas my last word on that. I do
wanna go to the next topic,Chris, but if you have any final

thoughts on that. Just a real quick final thought.
You know, I think the mediadeserves, you know, what we're
giving them. However, we need toalso point the finger at the
education system. I'm a formerteacher.
I was teaching during the riseof Donald Trump, and I cannot
tell you how many times theseteachers were also literally
telling their kids that ifyou're an immigrant, you're

(55:13):
you're gonna be deported and allthis crazy stuff, and that's
only one part of it. The otherpart of it is, you know, for for
far too long in our schools,we've been, telling kids what to
think, not how to think. So evenif the media is absolutely
biased, which, of course, itabsolutely is, you know, it it
would be the the a check againstthat is to have a, you know, a a

(55:38):
a a populist populist thatactually is, you know, willing
to ask questions and dig deeper.And, you know, one of the things
that the founding fathers saidis, you know, unless we have a
a, educated, you know, in theclassic, you know, definition of
that term, populist, well, thenwe're not gonna go very far.
Because if you are just, youknow, being told what to think,

(56:01):
what to think, what to think allthe time, you're much more
vulnerable to these, you know,media narratives.
So I think that's another thingthat just needs to be, you know,
a a part of this. School choice,I think, is gonna be a big help
for that. Unfortunately, one ofthe things that happened was a
school choice was on, the ballotin a bun in a bunch of states, a

(56:21):
referendum style. It got voteddown. And that was a big shock
to me.
Like, across the board, SchoolChoice did very bad on, Tuesday
night. I don't know. I mean,there's many reasons as to why
that is, but I think that that'sanother thing that we need to
really keep in mind during our,you know, assessment of why
people are thinking the way theyare. It's not that just because

(56:43):
they are, you know, being, youknow, indoctrinated by the
mainstream media. It's becausethey've been they've been misled
as to how to think criticallyand, you know, reason and use,
you know, all those, skills.
So that's, I think, a big bigpart of this.

Yeah. Yeah. We went in pretty in-depth on, the
media and their kind ofdwindling influence last
episode, so you should checkthat one out. The the last
episode before the election,check that out. It's got Bezos'
big head in the thumbnail.
But, so, yeah, we know that thethe media tried their darnedest
to get, Kamala Harris across thefinish line, and they failed

(57:19):
epically. We've got a little bitof a prepared montage here. I
think this is from the DailyWire montage of some media
meltdowns, reactions. I this allplays into the idea of, like,
what's what's the what's theleft's narrative on this? Where
are they gonna go?
Are they gonna be introspective?Are they gonna maybe we were

(57:39):
wrong to kinda push thesepolicies. Are they gonna double
down and start calling all ofthe country racist and sexist? I
think this is this is thereactions on election night, and
and it might offer a little bitof insight in the direction that
they might be going. So let's goahead and play that clip if we
have it ready, please.

Loser Media People (57:58):
This is the biggest red wave I've seen since
Ronald Reagan's 49 statevictory.

Jim Lakely (58:03):
There were appeals to racism in this campaign, and
there is racial bias in thiscountry, and there is sexism in
this country.

I can't help but wonder if the American
people have given up ondemocracy.

Loser Media people (58:16):
I hear what you're saying. And I I I do see
it differently because I'mthinking about the people who
are not a part of anybody'selite, who are hurting tonight.

If she were a 6 foot 4 white man from from
Arkansas or from, you know,Florida,

do you think

she would be losing by that much?

Jim Lakely (58:33):
I

think that we've gotta be honest. Among
Hispanic men and black men,there's a lot of misogyny.

There are African American women who know
a little bit about being talkeddown to and know a little bit
about having their economicdreams crushed, who tried to
dream a big dream over the pastcouple of months.

It's not enough to get enough white women to vote,
for vice president Harris, afellow woman. This will be the
second opportunity that whitewomen in this country have to
change the way that theyinteract with the patriarchy.

There's misogyny, but it's not just
misogyny from white men.

Mhmm.

It's misogyny from Hispanic men.

Right.

It's misogyny from black men.

And tonight, they're trading in a lot of hope
for a lot of hurt. And

Jim Lakely (59:22):
Oh, man.

They were hoping that maybe this time

This guy was a 911 truth in

any

Jim Lakely (59:27):
way so

so that everyone will remember.

One of their own could be seen as worthy.

Things we've all been talking about who do
not wanna

work might be be good on the line.

Jim Lakely (59:36):
Might be

race issues with Hispanics. They don't want
a black woman

She's wearing a cape.

As president

Jim Lakely (59:43):
To all the the pollsters, the election
pollsters, blow me. I don't

Oh, John Stewart.

Jim Lakely (59:52):
From you again ever.

People who said that he was a Hitler lever
weren't Democrats. They'reRepublicans. People who said
that he was a fascist wereDemocrats. They were Republicans
who weren't for him.

Chris Talgo (01:00:03):
You gotta be kidding me. Oh,

Donald Kendal (01:00:07):
Justin, what do you think? What what what's
what's what's what are youputting your, your money on in
Vegas? You think they're gonnayou think they're gonna pull
back some of their more, radicalperspectives and be trying to be
the more moderate conservative?Or do you

Justin Haskins (01:00:21):
think they're just gonna try

to power through and and then push this narrative
that it's all just misogyny andracism? That's what's keeping
us, out of the out of the ballotbox. What do you think?

Well, I hope that they go the misogyny,
racism route because, frankly,that's the one where we all have
more fun. And it's also just, Ithink, a main reason why they're
losing all these elections, andthey just keep doing it. It's
unbelievable. So, I I think,it's incredible to see a guy

(01:00:57):
like Joe Scarborough, a richwhite man, go on television next
to a rich white woman and tellHispanic men that they're
probably misogynists and alsoracists. And it's like and
that's the reason why they votedbecause of their misogyny, their
pro white guy misogyny, andracism is the secret reason that

(01:01:21):
they voted.
It's just like this is this isthis is the whole point. You
people are completely out oftouch with reality. And the
reason that a lot of people arevoting in opposition to the
narratives that, you know, thatthat have been imposed on them,
in the case of a lot of Hispanicvoters and a lot of Asians and

(01:01:41):
other people is because they donot believe any of these things
are true because it's not it'sjust not part of life. It isn't
real. It's all no one wouldthink these things if they
weren't being told them by themedia.
Like, that's the reality,though. Almost no one would
believe in this this concept of,like, systemic racism and all of

(01:02:01):
this stuff if they weren't beingtold it. I really believe that
that's the case.

It's it's it's an inability to take any self
responsibility. You know?They're they're trying to just
push it. You know? It's notbecause we're, like, horrible at
reading the room or we have ourfinger the furthest from the
pulse of anything.
It must just be racism. Wedidn't we didn't figure the
misogyny. We we didn't, think itbig enough, you know, to apply
to all the other

Yeah. And and the racism thing is especially
crazy because minorities voteyou know, he did much better
with minorities. And so, again,it's like you're now telling the
the minorities that they'reracist. You're the white guy
telling the minorities thatthey're racist for voting for a
white guy and that that's whythat this whole thing happened.

(01:02:47):
It's like that's likemansplaining it with race.
You know? It's like the racistversion of mansplaining, and
it's just like I I thought wewere supposed to be against
that. I thought we were supposedto let people give us their
truth and experiences and allthis crap. No. I guess not.
I guess when they tell us theirtruth, we're supposed to say
you're a racist and a misogynistand move and move on. But the

(01:03:09):
but to answer your question of,like, well, what do I think will
happen? I I mean, I'll behonest. I'm really struggling
with this. They are in the leftthe left, the Democratic Party
establishment, the people whoare in charge of figuring out,
you know, where do we go fromhere?
They're in a absolutely horriblesituation. And I, truly do not

(01:03:31):
know what I would advise them todo that's realistic for them to
do. So what they should do ismove to the center. That's what
they should do. They should movethey should follow the Bill
Clinton model and move to thecenter and become the you know,
we're the old school Democratsagain.

(01:03:52):
We're not those crazy people whoyou think we are because that's
the way we've behaved for thepast 15 years. We're we're now
the Bill Clinton people. We're,you know, working class, pro
union, anti establishment, antibig corporations, you know,
people. We don't have any like,we're not really into a lot of

(01:04:13):
social issues and stuff likethat. Like, they need to go back
into that.
And and if they did, I thinkthey would do very, very well
because I think there are a lotof moderates in the middle who
still feel more comfortablevoting for a democrat if the
democrat isn't crazy. There'sjust not many people in the
democrat party running forpowerful positions who aren't

(01:04:33):
insane, so they don't have a lotof options. You know, I I met a
guy at a at a a birthday party,children's birthday party, this
past weekend. Guy, you know, Itold him I was in politics and
whatever and then pop publicpolicy, and he was he told me, I
never have voted for Republicansup and down every I'm an

(01:04:54):
independent registeredindependent. I vote, you know,
sometimes for Democrats,sometimes for Republicans.
I've never voted for allRepublicans. He said this was
the 1st election in my life,and, you know, he was like a guy
in his forties or fifties. 1stelection in my life where I just
didn't even have to think aboutit. I went straight down the
ticket, all Republicans. And thereason was simple.
The other side is a good saying,and I can't and I can't I just

(01:05:17):
can't I can't do it. They're tooinsane, and I think there were a
lot of people who feel that way.So that's what should Democrats
should do. The reason they can'tdo that is because their most
politically active segmentwithin the Democratic Party is
the craziest. And and

They're the loudest.

They're the loudest and the craziest, and
they're in control of the media.And they're never gonna do any
of that. They're never gonnamove to the center. They think
they they probably think, youknow, that the center is a is
racism too. Like, they couldnever go back.
They'll never do that. So of therealistic options, the only

(01:05:58):
thing that I so this is what Ithink if I'm gonna put my money
on it, this is what I think thebattle is going to be next time
around. I think next time aroundfor the Democrats, the internal
war is not going to be, shouldwe move to the center? Nope.
That's not possible.
And it's not going to be, youknow, obviously, they know they
can't go like the Joe Bidenroute again, like the old white

(01:06:20):
guy who can't remember anything.Like, they have to pick somebody
who's a little more who youngerand energetic and all of that,
but who and I think this isgonna be the debate. Will it be
a more establishment democrattype who can, present themselves
as being a moderate but butisn't because they'll never pick

(01:06:43):
a moderate. So it has to besomeone who pretends to be
moderate but isn't. This is likeBarack Obama.
Okay? Barack Obama was not amoderate. But if you go back and
you watch his speeches and stufflike that, he presented himself
that way. So that's an option. Ithink the other option, and I've
already started to see thishappen.
We haven't had a chance to talkabout this off air yet, but I've
already started to see thishappen, is the Bernie Sanders

(01:07:07):
people have made a really bigpush. They even put out press
releases and stuff like this inrecent Bernie Sanders himself
put out a press release as wellas other groups, basically
saying that, yep, we we knewthat this was gonna happen
because you guys abandoned theworking class democratic
socialism model, and that wasreally popular with all the

(01:07:29):
demographics that just sohappened to now vote for Donald
Trump. So what we need is a aleft wing populism, which is
like burn the Bernie Sandersmodel. It won't be Bernie
Sanders because he's too old,but the Bernie Sanders model.
And then I think on the otherside, you're gonna have no.
No. No. We don't we we need a weneed to, a more traditional

(01:07:49):
establishment type, candidatewho's a real progressive but who
can pretend not to be aprogressive. And I think this is
going to be the future debatebetween the 2. It's the
socialists are gonna use this asan opportunity to say, we're the
only people who can appeal tothese working class people who
hate the elites.
We can appeal to them. You elitedemocrats can't appeal to them,

(01:08:13):
but the Bernie people can. Andthat's we need another wave of
of Bernie Sanders likesocialistic policies and people.
And and and that will be thebattle, I think, in the future.

Chris, you you've you've probably watched some CNN
as and MSNBC in the aftermath ofthe election. Do you get any
sense of the direction thatthey're Oh, yeah.

Rhetorically? I got some thoughts on this one. Okay.
So, election morning, meaningWednesday morning, it seemed for
the first hour of Morning Joe,Joe Scarborough, Mika, and all
those people, that Joe wasactually getting a little,
introspective and asking, man,why did we lose, you know, with

(01:08:55):
with, black men and Latino menand all that? That lasted
literally for, like, 45 minutes,and then he just like, the whole
show, for the most part, wentjust totally nuclear into we
must stop Trump, Trump is adictator, Trump is a Nazi,
strong man, all that stuff.
Okay. So then when I got homelast night, I flipped on, MSNBC,

(01:09:16):
like, you know, around probably7, 7 ish, and, they were still
doing their election coverage,like, you know, with Joy Joy
Reid and, Chris Hayes and allthose people. And, wow, it was
stunning. They were not eventrying to understand why their

(01:09:36):
candidate lost so massively. Itwas totally a 100%.
We must stop the strong man.There's a dictator who's about
to come in the office. We mustfight. We must rise together.
Please do not get apathetic atthis point.
Blah blah blah. And I was justlike, woah. I guess they're
gonna go in that direction. Andhere's here's why I think that's

(01:09:56):
particularly interesting.Because after 2016, when the
media got it totally wrong, forabout a week or so, it seemed
like they were trying tounderstand.
Remember, I think the New YorkTimes actually came out with,
like, a big article saying,like, we need to understand
what's going on. Why were we sooff? That lasted, what, maybe,
like, a week or 2. So I thinkthis is gonna last even less.
And, you know, the the best,predictor of future behavior is

(01:10:19):
past behavior.
For 10 years now, as Justin saidin the beginning of this, these
people have been obsessed with,you know, denigrating Trump and
his supporters. That's not gonnachange. There's no way that's
gonna change. I think they'regonna double, triple, and
quadruple down on this, and Ithink it's gonna blow up in
their face even more because itwould be probably a better

(01:10:41):
business model for them to tryto, move back to the center, to
try to understand, you know, whypeople are making the decisions
that they're making and allthat. They're not gonna do that.
No way. It's not gonna happen.I'm already seeing it hap I'm
already Yeah. I'm already seeingthem just, you know, like, dig
their heels even even evendeeper. It's it's

It's a rhetorical corner they're paying themselves
in. How do you compromise andwork with Hitler? You can't do
it.

Right. Right. They can't. They can't just come out
and say, oh, hi, everybody. Justkidding.
For the past, you know, 10years, we've been calling this
guy Hitler's strong man, Naziand, you know, fascist and all
this. But, actually, we weretotally making that up because
we wanted to win the election.And he's actually kinda like,
you know, like like, you know,just not that bad, and, he's
gonna work with the transitionteam. President Biden already
already, asked him to come tothe White House to start the

(01:11:29):
transition process. So onceagain, Donnie, if if if the guy
coming in is Adolf Hitler, whywould you facilitate the
transition process?
I just I I gotta understandthat. Right. So it just goes to
show how empty their rhetoricis, and I think how desperate
they were. But I don't thinkthat the mainstream media, the
MSNBC, CNN, ABCs, you know, theusual suspects are gonna change

(01:11:51):
their tune anytime. I don'tthink so.

Jim, final thoughts on this topic. Oh,
classic Jim. Classic Jim.

Jim Lakely (01:12:03):
Classic Jim. Alright. Pardon me for for
muting as I was typing somethingout. So, anyway, yeah, as Justin
was was mentioning that themedia landscape has changed, and
it's not going back. I saw astory this morning from The
Hollywood Reporter that this wasthe lowest percentage of of
American households watchingtheir returns on traditional
television since 1960.

(01:12:24):
1960, not everybody had atelevision. It was still a
relatively new technology, andit was expensive, and a lot of
people couldn't afford it. Sothe lowest percentage of
households in the United Stateswatching the returns on TV since
1960. It was the, lowest totalnumber of people watching on
television just as a broadnumber since they started
tracking that back in 2000. Itis obvious that the mainstream

(01:12:46):
media is is dying.
They're they're like, they'relike the 6th sense. You know?
They're walking around and theydon't know they're dead. They
they need, they they need to betold that they're dead so that
maybe they just go off to thegreat beyond. But, you know,
people are finding their own,options on streaming to consume
news, and I watched, the BlazeTV, on election night.

(01:13:08):
I didn't watch the the cablenetworks until I wanted to see,
to enjoy the, the lamentationsand the crying that was going on
in those networks. And just onelast little data point. I mean,
CNN's audience from from the2020 election for the 2024
election, their audience was cutexact almost exactly in half. So
the the old media landscape isgone, and they they they think

(01:13:31):
they still have this influence.They do have a pretty malign
influence, obviously, among alot of Americans, but it is
going to, you know, it's gonnacontinually decrease.
This is the last election inwhich probably even half of
Americans will be watching thereturns on a traditional
network.

Jim, just one one thing on that. So I don't know.
Do they count if you arewatching a, premium channel, but
you're not watching it with,like, your your cable box? Like,
I cut the cord many years ago. Ihave DIRECTV.
So that just gives me a lot ofthose channels, but I'm pretty
sure that I don't actually countas a viewer of Fox or CNN or

(01:14:09):
MSNBC because I'm not, I don'thave my cable connection any
longer. Is that do you know theanswer to that?

Well, they they I don't know the answer to that
specifically. The HollywoodReporter, story did did show
that, you know, streamingservices like CNN Max recorded
its best day. I didn't knowthere CNN Max existed, but it
recorded its best day ever.

Yeah. It lives under HBO Max now. Yeah.

Right. So so yeah. So it's it's it's not exactly
clear, but, what is clear isthat the traditional way of
sitting in, you know, yourliving room and putting on m b c
NBC, ABC, CBS to watch electionreturns, is the worst year
that's ever been for that and bydramatic numbers. And so I think
that trend is going to justaccelerate.

Yep.

Yep. It, yeah. I don't know what the left's gonna
do. I feel like they're gonnadouble down. That's my own, my
own take on it.
We are so long in the tooth onthis podcast, but we have one
more topic. Donald Trump's first100 days. Admittedly, I have no
insight into this. I, I considerthinking about his first 100
days as kind of counting mychickens before they hatch, so

(01:15:12):
this topic hasn't even occurredto me until he'd secured the
election on Tuesday night orWednesday morning, whatever you
wanna say. So this is more of awish list for me about, what I
hope that his first 100 days,looks like.
But before I get into that,Chris, do you real quick. Let's
let's make this like a rapidfire kind of question. Do you

(01:15:32):
have any insight on what isgonna be, like, kind of priority
1 when it comes to Donald Trumpin his first 100 days? What what
areas that I

know exactly what he's gonna do. Are you ready?

Go ahead.

Just go open project 2025, page 1, and start
reading. It's that simple. Justkidding. No. What he's really
gonna do, it's I think it's Ithink it's it's it's gonna boil
down to the, you know, the the,border.
Obviously, he's gonna wannasecure the border. Obviously,
he's gonna want to, revamp the,energy production. I think those
are gonna be the 2 big ones. AndI think that we're still gonna

(01:16:04):
have to wait to see what happenswith the house because if the
Republican party does have thehouse and then they have, you
know, control of, both houses ofcongress, his first 100 days
could be FDR style. I mean, thiscould be really, really, you
know, big time.
So I I'm just gonna have to saykinda, you know, leave that out
there.

Well, on The New York Times tracker for the
house, during the podcast, itwent up to 207 seats called for
Republicans to 209. So just overthe span of our podcast, it's
gone up 2 seats for Republicans.

Good.

Justin thoughts on what you're hoping that he's
gonna prioritize in the first100 days or any insights into
what they're actually gonnaprioritize?

Well, I think I think, the main priority I mean,
a lot of this does depend onwhat happens in the house and,
and to some extent in thesenate, obviously, because
especially in the senate, youreally do need a lot of support
to get things through, and youcan't even get past filibusters
in the senate without getting 60votes. And so there's there's a

(01:17:04):
lot of issues with gettingthings passed. So the first 100
days is going to be mostlyfocused on executive orders,
and, I think there's gonna be avariety of things that they do.
I think one of the big things isgoing to be, as Chris said,
domestic energy production,doing everything they can to try
to shore that up by reducing thewait times for leases, for oil

(01:17:30):
and gas development. They'regoing to be reaching out to a
lot of these, companies, thesebusinesses that are in the oil
and gas industry and saying,look.
Like, we're open for businessagain. We want you to really be
aggressive. We wanna try to, doeverything we can to help the
refineries and help theprocessing and all of this
stuff. Pipelines that have beendelayed by the Biden

(01:17:52):
administration or outrightrejected, I think they're gonna
be taking a hard look at that.It's gonna be a big part of it.
And I think the idea behind thisenergy production stuff is not
just that it's going to generatejobs and help the economy grow
and and all of that, but I thinkthis is going to be viewed as
one of the main ways to re,combat inflation. Because if you

(01:18:13):
can bring energy prices down,then you can bring, prices
overall down because energy isassociated with the price of
virtually everything. So I thinkthat's going to be a huge
component. I think anotherreally big thing, which is not
necessarily an issue that wecover a lot on this show, but a
big thing is going to be tryingto end that war in Ukraine, with

(01:18:36):
Russia and Ukraine. That's goingto have massive impacts on all
sorts of other issues, includingthe economy, because the global
economy is, has been shaped in amassive way over the past few
years by that war.
And if that war can end quickly,I think and that's what Donald
Trump says he wants to do. ThenI think you're going to see the

(01:18:58):
stock market and investors andbusinesses, especially
multinational corporations, andthe energy industry is heavily
involved in that one as well,respond very positively to that.
So I think that is also going tobe a huge, huge, huge priority.
Of course, you're gonna havelots of appointments and things
like that is a is a is a massivepart of it. Another thing that

(01:19:20):
I'm hoping that they do is, dealwith the ESG issue.
A lot of that can be donethrough executive action. The
Biden administration, when theycame into power, started undoing
a lot of the anti ESG, policiesthat have been put into place by
Trump. So I'm hoping that veryquickly early on in the Trump

(01:19:41):
administration, he's gonna goback and put those things into
place. He's promised to do thatin regards to ESG and banking,
ESG in public pensions, andother things. So I think that
would be a really huge stepforward.
So there's gonna be a a lot ofaction here. Most of it is going
to be on the executive orderside of things. A lot of

(01:20:02):
regulation cutting, a lot of proenergy policies. What I hope to
see, but I don't think we'llsee, is a real solid attempt at
reducing government spending. Idon't think that's gonna happen.
That's not Donald Trump's,priority by any means, but I
think that government spendingis the main reason why we have

(01:20:25):
an inflation crisis because wehave to print lots of money in
order to keep paying the bills.And if you really wanna reduce
inflation over the long run, cutgovernment spending, and I I I
really hope that that's thedirection they go in. I don't
think that's gonna happen, but Ihope that they do. So I think
that's just a a a preview of ofof everything. Someone should

(01:20:46):
also have a sit sit down with, 2the 2 oldest supreme court
justices, Clarence Thomas andAlito, and remind them that this
would be a good opportunity toretire and ride off into the
sunset so we can get a couplemore more young conservative
justices on the bench.
I would even let them pick theirreplacements. I think that's

(01:21:07):
that would be a nice gesture.

Well, I can I I can say, pretty conclusively
that, Justin I don't haveanything to say that Justin
didn't already say? So, Jim,final thoughts on this, and
we'll wrap up the show.

Yeah. I mean, I think, obviously, the one of the
first things he's gonna doprobably on day 1 is pull us out
of the Paris Climate Agreementagain for a second time, and
then we're never going back.Probably end, all these offshore
wind leases that are killingmarine life and are are an
eyesore and are not producingreliable energy and are
polluting our beaches. I believethe American people are behind
that, so that could be done. Iwas reminded on Twitter, after

(01:21:46):
the election that senator RonWyden of, your Oregon up there,
Justin, introduced a bill toexpand the supreme court to 13
members.
I think maybe, and Chuck Schumersupported it as well, so maybe
we'll bring that up again. Thatwould be nice. No. That that
would be bad. I oppose it evenwhen the left was gonna do it,
but I just find that hilariousnow.

(01:22:07):
They're they're gonna run awayfrom that like crazy. It would
be actually nice if in the 1st100 days, he instructs the
Department of Education beforehe dissolves it entirely, to
withhold any federal funds fromany public university that is
has implemented DEI. You eitherdismantle it entirely and fire
the people that are, in your DEIoffices at, say, the University

(01:22:28):
of of, you know, Oklahoma orsomething like that, or or you
don't get any taxpayer money. Sothat's the way it is. So if you
wanna do DEI, do it on your own,have your state, make up the
difference.
You know, Elon Musk has saidthat, you know, he said he wants
to basically be the grim reaperfor the federal workforce. I'm
totally for that. You can go inthere, at least half the federal
workforce, and he said it in anice way. One of the stumps that

(01:22:50):
he some speeches he did inPennsylvania. Look.
You know? Thanks for yourservice. Here's 2 year
severance. Good luck to you outthere in the in the private
sector. You're not needed hereanymore.
You're not productive here. Gobe productive in the private
sector. We need more peopledoing jobs like that as well.
That would be wonderful to see.The it's gonna be actually kind
of funny to watch the media losetheir minds over things like
that, but that that's one of thegreat things about this

(01:23:12):
election, and I was when I wasworried that Trump might not win
in the week leading up to theelection, I was like, this
would've what a what a missedopportunity this was going to be
to have Elon Musk go in there.
And he may not succeed. I thinkhe will try, but this would be
the only attempt in ourlifetimes to actually reduce the
the power and scope, size, andpersonnel of government. And now

(01:23:33):
we have a chance to do that, andI think that's that's really
fantastic. And then finally, youknow, he can implement, just as
Joe Biden reversed every Trumpimmigration policy and border
policy that he could in the 1st100 days. Donald Trump can put
it right back in there again,and he can do things like close
the border, find those who snuckinto this country, especially
the criminals, identify them,and deport them, right away.

(01:23:56):
Day 1, start doing itimmediately. I think, you know,
this is a chance again. He wasnot really prepared in 2016 to
be president and to implementpolicies as president. He is
100% knowledgeable and knowswhat to do and how to do it.
And, so it's gonna be a aprobably the most exciting first
100 days of our presidency we'veseen in a long, long time.

Donnie, got one more thing I gotta add in there.
He's gotta fire Chris Frey day1. Day 1. Gotta fire that guy.

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And, Chris Talgo, what do you have to pitch today?

Well, I don't do social media because I'd love my
privacy, but I do love readinggood books. And, this new book
that just came out is calledpropaganda wars. It's really
worth reading. So go to Amazonand buy the book.

That is a good thing to pitch. There's Jim's
camera is showing it rightthere, propaganda wars. But, why
don't we all end the show byjust saying bye, Kamala Harris.
So long. I know you wanted to bea part of our lives, but we
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