Blue State Chaos - In the Tank #514 - In The Tank

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Linnea Lueken (00:36):
We are now live. Welcome to the show, everyone.
And for your information,Wheelman, our viewer there, we
are only two minutes late, so weare okay. So well, anyway, I
keep saying that I want to coversomething other than leftist
violence in the show, and thenthey go and do a bunch of crazy
stuff again during the week. SoPortland and Chicago are well

(00:56):
known for being chaotic underDemocrat leadership, though
their style of being so isdifferent.
We'll talk about that and howthe government is responding. As
for policy, this week, Trumpagain threatened to levy tariffs
on films produced outside TheUnited States, And no one quite
seems to know what he means bythat, so we're gonna talk about
that. And on unhinged, we aregoing to look at two Democrat

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representatives who really needto learn some emotional
regulation and also installprobably new brain to mouth
filters. We are going to talkabout all of this in episode 514
of the In The Tank podcast.Welcome to the In the Tank

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podcast.
I am Lynea Luken, your host. Wealso have, as usual, Jim
Lakeley, vice president anddirector of communications at
the Heartland Institute, and SamKarnik, senior fellow at the
Heartland Institute. Chriswanted to be here today, you
guys, but he cannot. He's notfeeling well, so please send him
your prayers if you would. Wealso have Keeley working in the
background since Andy is out oftown today.

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So we are working with a mixedhouse today. Anyway, so how are
we all doing this week? Sam, youwrote a nice op ed on Kansas'
health care pricing program. Idon't know if it went up yet,
but what was that about? And andif it ended up somewhere, where
is it?

S.T. Karnick (02:47):
Thank you. Yes. I, don't know exactly where it is
placed yet if it has. The ideais that they're, trying to
expand a program that, keepsprescription drug prices down,
supposedly. Unfortunately, whatit does is it keeps the prices
down for the people who do theprescribing, so the providers,

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but it doesn't necessarily keepthem down for the people who
actually have to pay for them.
And in fact, that is whathappens. It is a program that is
meant to, as I say, keep pricesdown, but it ends up pushing
them up and reducing access toprescription drugs. It's a very
bad idea. Thanks for bringing itup.

Yeah. Absolutely. Well, we'll have to cover that
one of these days when we see alittle bit more movement on that
end. Jim, what is new with you?

Jim Lakely (03:38):
Oh, not much. I mean, it's it's nice. You can
see I'm, I'm in flannel. It isnow flannel shirt weather here
in Northern Illinois, which, Iknow I said that before we went
live on air, Lanea said she wasjealous. This is a really great
time of year.
Really nice to see that theleaves turn and the temperatures
get a little bit lower. But,yeah, before we get started,
actually, I wanted to, sharesomething on the screen with

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everyone. On this day, in02/2009, president Barack Obama
won the Nobel Peace Prize, forwhat the Nobel Committee called,
quote, his extraordinary effortsto strengthen international
diplomacy and cooperationbetween peoples. Basically, got
the Nobel Peace Prize for notbeing George w Bush and for

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being mister hope and change.And we don't talk about this
this topic on this podcast, butI just when I saw that on my
Twitter feed today, I was like,there's another president who is
actually achieving somethingpretty monumental in The Middle
East, and he will I am morelikely to get the Nobel Peace
Prize than Donald Trump is.
That's all I'll say.

Jim, you know, it's it's interesting that they
they cited him for efforts. Youknow, I remember Jerry Seinfeld
said, there's no Nobel Prize forattempted chemistry.

That's true. Well, I saw someone I saw
someone on x, comment that theyhope that Trump does not get the
Nobel Prize, because then itwould offer a thin sheen of
legitimacy to a illegitimateprogram if he were to actually
get it. So, let's let's just letit die. How about that?

Jim Lakely (05:13):
Well, you know what? They'll they'll give it to
Greta. Greta Thunberg.

Yeah. For us.

Jim Lakely (05:17):
She's the one who actually brought peace to The
Middle East. So

For sure. Alright, you guys. As usual,
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nice review. Okay. So we aregetting right into it. We are
going to take a look at unhingedtoday. I only chose three
topics, three kind of broadtopics to cover this week
because I thought that we wouldprobably spend a lot of time on
unhinged and and also on thesecond one.
And and so I wanted to make surethat we had plenty of breathing

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room for all three of these.Guys, we need to talk about Jay
Jones and also Katie Porter.Originally, I was just going to
talk about Jones for unhinged,but a ton of stuff went kind of
viral about miss Porter. So Ithink she deserves a little bit
of attention as well. They areboth unhinged.
So to begin, from the nationalreview, Democrat AG nominee Jay

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Jones fantasized about shootingformer Virginia GOP speaker. He
receives both bullets. On08/08/2022, so these are
resurface text messages, aRepublican state legislator
received a disturbing string ofearly morning text messages from
a former colleague, Jay Jones,this year's Democratic nominee
for Virginia AG. Jones suggestedthat presented with a

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hypothetical situation in whichhe had only two bullets and was
faced with the choice ofmurdering then speaker of the
house, Todd Gilbert, or twodictators, he'd shoot Gilbert
every time, prompting pushbackfrom his former former
colleague. So Jones said, threepeople, two bullets.
Gilbert, Hitler, and Pol Pot,Gilbert gets two bullets.
Spoiler, put Gilbert in the crewwith the two worst people you

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know, and he receives bothbullets every time. And his
colleague, Koyner, said, Jay,please stop. And he just said,
well, okay. Koyner called hiscomments disqualifying for
anyone seeking office.
Later, he called her again, andhe doubled down on the call
saying that the only way publicpolicy changes is when

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policymakers feel painthemselves. At one point, the
source said he suggested hewished Gilbert's wife would
watch her own child die in herarms so that Gilbert might
reconsider his political views,prompting Coiner to hang up the
phone in disgust. Afterwards,Jones continued with a barrage
of text messages saying that hewas just asking questions.

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Coiner dismissed his excuse viatext and chastised him for
hoping Jennifer Gilbert'schildren would die. Rather than
deny that he wished death on thekids, Jones responded by saying,
yes.
I've told you before. Only whenpeople feel pain personally do
they move on policy. So, yeah,this guy cannot be attorney
general. I wouldn't want him tobe an attorney for, like, US

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general toolboxes. Butcertainly, no man who insists on
that position or who wants to,like, kill his political
opponents can be in charge of astate law enforcement apparatus.
Right? It's one thing to makethe two bullets jokes joke. It's
an old one. It's a really oldjoke. I think I've seen it in,

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like, black and white filmsbefore.
It's been around forever. Butit's another to double down and
then keep digging and make itworse as you double down. It is
so bizarre. It's the weirdestbehavior I've seen. Well, it's
we'll hold that.
There might be weirder behaviorlater in this very segment,
actually. So, yeah, I I wouldwhere where are we at this? I

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mean, does someone like thatshould someone like that be in
charge of state law enforcement?

Certainly not. I think an interesting, element of
this is that the premise that hehas is that it's your you should
be driven by your emotions andthat your that public policy
should be driven by your yourexperiences and the emotions you
feel about those experiences.That's really crazy. I mean,

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it's it's so stupid. It's it'sunbelievable.
And yet that is somewhat thedirection that this country has
gone for at least a couple ofdecades. Maybe you can trace it
as far back as the the Clintonera. But the notion that you you
are, your credibility arisesfrom your experiences and your

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background is simply an oldfashioned argument ad hominem,
you know, the argument from theperson saying that if you're if
you don't have this or that,character, this or that
situation in your life, youdon't qualify to talk about
something. Well, that's thewhole premise behind this,
though, is that people who don'thave the right ideas are not

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qualified to talk about them.That's why the the rise of the
Internet and especially of thepodcast era has made such a
change in things that thesekinds of, discussions would
never have never have reachedthe public before.
And but now there are so manyalternative sources that you can

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reach the public with thesetruths and expose the absolute
madness that, a lot of peopleare promulgating.

Absolutely. And and, Jim, I don't know if you
have any comments for this oneor if we should move along. But
I just thought, you know, like Isaid, it's it is one thing to
make that joke in private tosomeone who's, a friend of yours
or whatever. It's still in badtaste, but it's, you know, it's
it's an understandable, like,emotion when you are frustrated

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with someone or, you know, hatethem or whatever. But, like, to
to call her repeatedly and,like, be text spamming her,
trying to double down and say,well, actually, I hope his kids
die too for real.
That's, like, completely,completely inappropriate. And I
would agree that it's totallydisqualifying.

Jim Lakely (11:28):
Well, it is totally disqualifying. It's actually
just coincidental. I've lived inVirginia and I've lived in
California, which are two of thecrazy people we're gonna be
talking about today, who areunhinged and cannot control
their emotions. But let's alittle bit of the background on
this. He accidentally texted arepublican for you know, a

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republican colleague from whenhe was in the house of delegates
in Virginia.
So this whole thing startedbecause he text he texted the
wrong person and then just keptgoing, and then, you know, had
to call her up and all thisstuff. And so he just couldn't
let it go. What I think isreally important to understand
is the reason he was going onlike this and wishing not just

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the death of his politicalopponent, which is bad enough,
but to say that you hope thathis children are killed and that
they die in their mother's armsbecause that is the only way,
apparently, he thinks arepublican will change his mind
on a policy issue. I think inthis case, was on the second
amendment. What's the reason hesaid those things and texted

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those things is obvious.
Yep. One, he believes them. Andtwo, he talks like that all the
time with his own friends. Thereare Democrats in this country.
We know this.
We I I wish I wish the mediawould would wake up to this
instead of always pointingeverything at the right and

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Republicans and the danger andthe white supremacy and
Christian nationalism and allthis other kind of nonsense. We
have a very serious anddangerous democratic anger in
this country that is extremelymainstream in democratic
circles. He said those thingsbecause he says those things all

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the time. We have we haddemocrats, thousands of them
across the country cheering,doing dancing TikTok videos
after Charlie Kirk wasslaughtered with a bullet to his
neck in front of his wife andchildren. We had members of
congress, saying that,essentially, Charlie had it

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coming.
We have had, assassination pornabout Donald Trump since 2016.
We've had plays done in publicplaces. I think there was one in
Central Park or somewhere in NewYork where Donald Trump was
stabbed. We had I know thatthere's a a video with Snoop

(14:04):
Dogg in which Donald Trump wasassassinated, shot right in the
head point blank. Then, ofcourse, there's that infamous
picture of the talentless KathyGriffin holding the severed head
of Trump up early in his firstterm.
These things happen because alot of people in this country
are sick in the head. They haveno sense of morality at all, and

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they say and they say thesethings to each other all day,
every day for years and years.There is no other reason.
There's no other explanation forit than that this is what they
believe. And and if there wouldbe parties in the streets.
I mean, look at I mean, thinkabout the assassination attempt
on on on Donald Trump. Peopleimmediately went to TikTok and

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said into the camera, damn. Theymissed. I really wish it was
just another half an inch to theleft, and he'd be gone. And so
is it it is not a surprise atall that Jay Jones texted these
things and said these things.
What's actually, you know,again, I used to be a reporter
in Washington DC. Kind ofroutine but kind of lazy

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journalism is that if there'ssome sort of controversy going
on, it's the reporter's job tojust basically track down
everybody in that party and askthem if they condemn it or
support it and all that sort ofthing. That is that is a very
common thing that's done, inWashington DC. Journalism has a
single actually, it's happened.It took a few days.
They had to be shamed into doingit. But very few democrats have

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been asked if they support JayJones for attorney general and
whether he should drop out ofthe race or even apologize. And
even Jay Jones' apology wasn'teven really an apology. It was
one of those awesome non apologyapologies in which, he doesn't
just say the simple thing. I'msorry.
I should have never have saidthat. In fact, I'm ashamed that
I even thought that. That'sdisgusting. And for the

(15:53):
betterment of our of our countryand our politics, I'm gonna I'm
gonna pull out of this race.

Yeah. He

Jim Lakely (15:58):
can't do that, and he won't do that because he
doesn't have the morality in himto do it because he really does,
frankly, want the death of hispolitical opponents. We're
living in a time when thewishing for the death of your
political opponents is nowcompletely mainstreamed, and our
media is missing this story.This is only talked about on,

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quote, unquote, right wing mediaand on podcasts like this. It
needs to be an enormous nationalstory, and I am so sick and
tired of every time there's somesort of fake controversy that
the media says we have to have anational conversation about race
or about misogyny. The whole MeToo movement had to be a huge
national conversation becauseHarvey Weinstein is a piece of
shit.
But we are not gonna have anational conversation about

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basically death ideology andideation of death by the
Democratic Party continually foryears and years against their
political opponents. It'sdisgusting.

Absolutely. Well, and, you know, if he had just
stood up and said, yeah. Thosewere a huge mistake. I didn't
really mean it. You know, I was,like, drunk texting at midnight
or whatever.
People would believe them andthey'd be like, yeah. Okay. Now
drop out. Like, just do thehonorable thing, but there is no
honor in the Democrat party.Speaking of no honor in the
Democrat party, I added thisother stuff a bit last minute

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because I realized it was toounhinged to ignore.
And I just you know, Keely and Iwere joking about how this lady
is like the lady from misery,and we were like, we have to we
have to talk about this today.So ladies and gentlemen, I
present to you another Democratcandidate hopeful. This woman is
running for California governor.So, Jim or Keely, can we play

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the clip that we have for this?

Jim Lakely (17:41):
Well, we have we we have I'll play it. We have two
clips. We have the one whereshe's yelling at her staffer,
and we have the one where shelost it in in a media

Let's do let's do the media interview first, and
then we'll do the staffer. Iwanna show the audience both. As
long as the

Speaker 4 (17:55):
40% of California voters who you'll need in order
to win, who voted for Trump.

Speaker 5 (18:01):
How would I need them in order to win, ma'am?

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Well, unless you think you're gonna get 60% of
the vote. You think you'll get60% all everybody who did not
vote for Trump will vote foryou. That's what what you're
thinking.

Speaker 5 (18:12):
In a general election, yes. If it is me
versus a republican, I thinkthat I will win the people who
did not vote

Jim Lakely (18:18):
for Trump.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
What if it's you versus another democrat?

Speaker 5 (18:20):
I don't intend that to be the case.

Speaker 4 (18:23):
So how do you not intend that to be the case? Do
you do you are you gonna askthem not to run?

Speaker 5 (18:27):
No. No. I'm saying I'm gonna build the support. I
have the support already interms of name recognition. Mhmm.
And so I'm gonna do the verybest I can to make sure that we
get through this primary in areally strong position. But let
me be clear with you. Irepresented Orange County. I
represented a purple area. Ihave stood on my own two feet
and won Republican votes before.
That's not something everycandidate in this race can say.
If you're from a deep blue area,if you're from LA, or you're

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from Oakland, have an you don'thave an experience.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
You just said you don't need those Trump voters.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Well, you asked me if I needed them to win.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
So you don't

Speaker 5 (18:57):
I think feel like this isn't necessarily
argumentative. What is yourquestion?

Speaker 4 (19:00):
The the question is the same thing I ask everybody,
that this is being called theempowering voters to stop
Trump's power grab. Every othercandidate has answered this
question. This is not Correct.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
And I said I support it.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
So and the question is, what do you say to the 40%
of voters who voted for Trump?

Speaker 5 (19:18):
Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do you need them
to win part that I don'tunderstand. I'm happy to answer
answer the question as youhaven't written and I'll answer
it.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
And we've also asked the other candidates, do you
think you need any of those 40%of California voters to win? And
you're saying, no, you don't.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
No. I'm saying I'm gonna try to win every vote I
can. And what I'm saying to youis that

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Well, to those voters. Okay. So so you

Speaker 5 (19:39):
I don't wanna keep doing this. I'm gonna call it.
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
You're not gonna do the interview with us?

Speaker 5 (19:45):
Nope. Not like this, I'm not. Not with seven follow
ups to every single question youask.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Every other candidate has answered I care.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
I don't care. I I want to have a pleasant positive
conversation which you everyissue on this list. And if every
question you're going to make upa follow-up question then we're
never going to get there. Miss.And we're just going to circle
around.

Jim Lakely (20:04):
I am

Speaker 4 (20:05):
in an investigator. Never had

Speaker 5 (20:06):
to do this before ever. You've never had to have a
conversation with the reporter.Okay.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
But every other candidate has done this.

Speaker 5 (20:14):
What part of I'm me. I'm running for governor because
I'm a leader. So I am going tomake

Speaker 4 (20:20):
So you're not gonna answer questions from reporters?
Okay. Why don't we go through? Iwill continue to ask follow-up
questions because that's my jobas a journalist, but I will go
through and ask these. And ifyou don't wanna answer, you
don't wanna answer.
So nearly every legislative I

Speaker 5 (20:34):
am I don't wanna have an unhappy experience with you,
and I don't want this all oncamera.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't wanna have an unhappy experience with you
either. I would love to continueto ask these questions so that
we can show our viewers whatevery candidate feels about
every one of these issues thatthey care about. And
redistricting is a massiveissue. We're gonna do an entire
story just on the responses tothat question, And I've asked
everybody the same follow-upquestions.

Yikes. I'm that guy too. Holy crap. Yeah. This
guy.
Yeah. He's like, boy. Oh, man.Wow. So yeah.
And, actually, Jim, it just,like, crossed my mind. In
addition to the lady from miserywho she also reminds me of is
admiral Holdo. Yeah. Which ifyou think about it so that's my

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yeah. It's it's the whole it washer line about, like, I'm a
leader.
And it's like, oh, okay. Well,you're a you're a bad one. Like,
a really bad one. Just amazing.I mean, what is there to say
about that, really?
She's lovely, really. She's alawyer. She was once a
representative from California.It's it's like she's never she's

(21:49):
insisting that she's never,like, had follow-up questions
before, and they're not hardquestions. All she has to say
is, you know, oh, do you needextra Republicans to win?
And she can say, well, we'llsee. I'm gonna try and get every
vote that I can. And then thereporter would say, okay. I'm
with move on. And she would askher, you know, how does this
work?
Or how how would you how wouldyou what would you say to the

(22:11):
40% of people that voted forTrump to get them to vote for
you? And all she had to say was,you know, look around. Is this
really the America that youwant? Blah blah blah. That kind
of thing.
Like, just boilerplate easiestanswers ever. And yet she just
immediately loses it. It'samazing to see.

She's never had to do it. She's she's been in a
safe seat, and it's it's easyfor her to get by. And all she
has to do is is throw out thenormal talking points and say,
Trump bad, Trump bad, Trump man,orange man bad, and so on and so
forth. And nobody questions herabout it. The the fascinating
thing about modern day, media isthat there is an alternative,

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that this this material can getout.
And and, now these people willbe will be called out on it. You
know? If you if you spare therod, you spoil the child, and
we've turned our politiciansinto children. And the only way
to do that is to is to, youknow, question them on these
things. And when they act likeas they are prone to do, let it

(23:18):
be seen and let the publicdecide if they if they like
that.
And they want somebody who is Idon't know if you'll show
another clip or anything, but oror more information on this. So
they want somebody, let's say,who's like this person, then
they can have it good and hard,but they'll be sorry down the
road.

Yeah. I mean oh, yeah. So this is a this is a
little thing, just a little bitof of gossip news. So her ex
husband who divorced her saidthat she was, like, physically
and verbally abusive to himthroughout their marriage. And
yeah.
Right? Can never see that. Andshe had poured a scalding hot

(24:01):
mashed potatoes on his headduring a fight. That's nice.
Amazing.
He was routinely called a effingidiot and effing incompetent by
his rage prone spouse who alsoshattered a glass coffee pot on
their kitchen counter when shefelt their house wasn't clean
enough.

Jim Lakely (24:20):
Wow.

Misery. Yeah. She's coming at him with that
hammer. Yeah.

Jim Lakely (24:24):
She hates. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. You know what's
what's what's interest butactually, we're gonna play
another clip that's a lotshorter, but it's it's a good
one.
But you realize what set her offwas the question of whether if
she wants any of the 40% ofCalifornians who voted for Trump
to vote for her. Her the answeris no because Trump voters are

(24:49):
deplorables. They're Nazis.They're fascists. Why what what
self respecting democrat wouldwant any of those horrible
people to support them?
That's why that that's why thiswent off the rails. She could
she didn't even have the graceto say, that she would want the
votes of anybody who supportsDonald Trump. He has been so
villainized in the eyes of theDemocratic Party and the left

(25:12):
that to even want theirsupporters to support you is
absolutely verboten. You can'thave that.

Yeah. That's that doesn't bode well for the
future. So we have this otherclip too of how she treats her
subordinates, so that's nice.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
We're gonna lose more than half a million Californians
dying prematurely to airpollution and other problems,
and the state could lose get outof my

Jim Lakely (25:38):
fucking shot.

Speaker 5 (25:39):
I wanted to tell you that that's actually incorrect.
It's it's not that it's electricvehicles. It's that if you don't
need the commitments under theParis Climate Accord. Okay. It
does okay.
You also were in my shot beforethat. Stay out of my shot. Okay.
I'm gonna start again withelectric vehicles saving us
money. Perfect.

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Okay.

I think she's on a Zoom call, like a Zoom
interview with Jennifer Granholmand and some other people in
attendance on this one, andthat's yikes. What a group. Oh,
boy.

Jim Lakely (26:11):
Yeah. She's she's yeah. That's some kind of stage
thing where they're talkingabout electric throwing electric
vehicles and all that stuff.This is in this was in 2021. I
do love that her staffer'swearing a freaking mask in the
background.
Of course, she is. She's workingfor a democrat. But, look, do do
you know how do you know howwhat how extraordinary it is to

(26:32):
be considered the worst of themost horrible bosses in
Washington DC and in congress?Do understand what an amazing
achievement that is? WashingtonDC is lousy with horrible
bosses.
In the you get a these thepeople that end up matriculating
into DC, they get a little bitof power, and they go absolutely
bananas with it. It isnotoriously a horrible place to

(26:55):
work. I have friends, collegebuddies, who end up working on
the Hill, have horror stories aslong, you know, as as long as
the day is, can can talk aboutit all day. But, you know, Katie
Porter was probably one of thetop two worst people to work for
on Capitol Hill, and that takessome doing, and that's an

(27:16):
example of it right there. Idon't understand why anybody I'm
glad I don't live in Californiaanymore.
I might have to have I mean,it's bad enough as it is right
now with Gavin Newsom, but tohave this woman being the
governor of your state withthose crazy eyes and that foul
mouth and apparently a violentstreak, I I can't understand how
these people survive inpolitics, Sam.

It's really pathetic, obviously, that that
somebody would would do thiskind of thing. But it's it's
really hard to get people to beaccountable for their actions.

Why would you bring this up on screen?

Pardon?

Why would you do this?

Jim Lakely (28:00):
Because Sam's phone keeps going off, and he won't
turn it off. So I have todispatch

him. I didn't know it was it was audible. Sorry
about that. Jim, how could

you do this to our audience? Yes. This Put that
picture away.

Jim Lakely (28:13):
Yeah. No. I'm not. I'm gonna make it you know what
I'm gonna do? I'm gonna make itI'm gonna do that.
That's what I'm gonna do.

That's great.

Jim Lakely (28:22):
Katie Porter. This is a very serious serious person
here. Dresses up as Batgirl in2019 on Halloween. She sat in
many hearings in that outfit.

I have a I have a question actually for for the
both of you. Do you think thatKatie Porter's antics actually
are part of her appeal for hervoters, for the people who vote
for her? Does would she look atthese these revelations as,
well, they're they're justthey're infuriating, but they

(28:56):
won't do me any harm.

So to her, like, kind of commie followers, I
would say they wouldn't care theway that she was about the way
that she was treating thatreporter. I don't think that
would faze them whatsoever. ButI think that they would be
phased a little bit by her goingoff at her aid there. I think
that would offend pretty mucheveryone. And, typically, you

(29:19):
know, socialists are, you know,freaked out by hierarchy to
begin with unless it's, youknow, them specifically that are
in charge.
I don't think anybody would likethat, honestly. There are some
sociopaths. I mean, she's Idon't I don't like to, like,
diagnose from afar because I'mnot a doctor. I don't have any

(29:40):
knowledge about any of thatstuff, but she's gotta be
somewhere in cluster b. Like,it's it's yeah.
There's something wrong in thein the old noggin there with
her. But, yeah, it's very, verystrange. Oh, John z says, what
do you mean the below 70 IQcrowd? Maybe. I don't know.

Well, she but it seems like like she's just very
feisty, and she's a fighter forthe you know, I I think that she
could probably take this wholething, and make it into an
advantage for her that she's afighter. You know? The, JD
Pritzker famously does that. Andand Newsome is trying to turn
himself into that, from fromprep school, weenie to a big

(30:28):
tough guy who, has a lot oftough talk for Donald Trump. So
who knows?
Maybe she could turn this intoan advantage and and say, I'm
I'm tougher than everybody. Andand if you don't if those
Republicans don't do what I say,I'm going to throw hot potatoes
on.

And engineer guy says, wasn't Kamala hard to work
for? Supposedly, yes. But herher bad work environment was a
different kind of bad workenvironment. Her bad work
environment was like adepressive one where she was
like losing it in the backgroundbecause she felt like she was
losing. And so and so she waslike extremely anxious and

(31:09):
upsetable in that way and wouldlash out at people over that,
but she wasn't, like, randomlysnapping on people.
Especially, she at least had thewherewithal and the emotional
control to not do that during alivestream. They're just

Jim Lakely (31:23):
turning like she recorded it

She was she had enough alcohol in her that she
just didn't have the strength todo it. You know, Hillary
Clinton, it's well documentedthat she was an extremely
abusive person. The SecretService were bloody terrified of
her. Yeah. But again You know,these are tough guys.

But again, Hillary Clinton is, like, wicked
smart. I mean, she's evil, butshe's very, very smart. So she
knows how to turn that off forthe cameras. This woman just
it's no good at all. Alright.
So I do wanna move on from this.I promise that we don't just
have a a gossip channel. But I Ithought that you guys would get

(32:02):
a kick out of those stories. Soour second topic today that
we're gonna cover is Chicago andPortland are in total chaos.
Democrats did it.
And they're totally unrepentant.They seem to want the chaos to
continue. They have no interestwhatsoever in tamping down on
the crime and unruliness anddrug problems and all of that,

(32:23):
especially for the case ofPortland. So but we're we're
gonna start with Chicago sincethat's where the Heartland
Institute is and where I grew upand where most of us lived at
least for some time. Fox Newsdigital reports that mayor
Brandon Johnson on Monday signedan executive order creating ice
free zones across Chicago,limiting the ability of federal
immigration agency use cityproperty and private businesses

(32:46):
as staging areas for enforcementactions.
The order covers schools,libraries, parks, other city
owned spaces, and allows privateestablishments to voluntarily
participate in a citywidenetwork that protects residents
from ICE operations without avalid warrant. The announcement
comes after a week of highprofile ICE actions in Chicago,

(33:06):
including raids in South Shore,confrontations with residents,
and the detention of electedofficials with Johnson described
as aggressive and unlawful. Morethan 900 people have been
arrested so far during operationMidway Blitz since its launch on
September 8. What a name. Midwayis a tear kind of a scary
airport to drive to pick someoneup from according to the

(33:29):
Department of Homeland Security.
Alright. So while that's goingon, at the very same time,
Chicago continues to suffer fromwidespread widespread gang
violence. Thirty people wereshot over the weekend. Five of
them died. And this might soundunrelated because it's not
specifically illegal, but cartelactivity or, like, illegal

(33:50):
immigrant related stuff.
But cartel activity is a knownmajor factor in gang clashes
even in Chicago. So, Sam, I dowanna know your take, though, on
the Trump administration'sconducting of these ICE raids.
I'd like to know, like, whatyour understanding is of the
play here between the state andthe federal government on this

(34:10):
issue. Illegal immigration is afederal problem. Can a state be
a sanctuary like this forillegal immigrants and disallow
federal arrests anddeportations?
Like, is that legitimate?

They can't disallow federal arrests and
deportations. They cannot dothat. They can be a sanctuary
state if the federal governmentdoesn't try to go in there and
and get the illegals out ofthere. So the the problem that
you have is that these statesare used to, getting away with
this. And Trump has decided,well, we have the law on our

(34:49):
side, so let's go and do this.
And he clearly sees an advantageto that both politically, but
also in terms of doing the theservices that the government is
supposed to do. The federalgovernment does have to make
sure that we're not beinginvaded by people who don't

(35:11):
belong in this country and, whohave not gone through the proper
channels to get here. That'scertainly a a federal job. So he
has he has the just theauthority to do it, he has the
responsibility to do it. Thefact that other presidents have
not fulfilled theirresponsibility doesn't simply

(35:33):
throw away that that point.
So he he should be doing this.The problem that you have is
that, as I say, the states areused to getting away with this.
So they look at it as some somekind of weird change that that,
Trump is bringing in, and it'sit it must be illegal. It must

(35:53):
be unconstitutional to do this.The fact is that it's not.
Now ordinarily, what you wouldexpect is when the federal
government would say, we need toget in here and clean out, this,
problem that this the governorof the state, first of all and
it's really almost starts andends with the governor of the

(36:15):
state, quite frankly. Thegovernor of the state would have
to would ordinarily say, oh, ofcourse. Well, let's work
together to get this done. MaybeI don't, as a governor, want the
National Guard in here, may,especially coming from Texas or
whatever. And and so let's worktogether to find a way where we

(36:36):
can do this, the the stateitself.
There's no cooperation, though.So what does the president have
as an option? All he can do thenis to call in the the National
Guard from other states. So itwas in, it's been in Pritzker's
power from the beginning toprevent this situation. And he

(36:57):
has chosen not to do it, becausehe has, different ideas from the
president, and, he wants this tohappen.
Well, Brandon Johnson would beunder, because the because
municipal areas and municipalgovernments are under the state
government. So Brandon Johnsonwould have to listen to

(37:18):
Pritzker. But the fact isthey're both on the same page,
and that page is the veryopposite from from where Trump
is at. So that's why this kindof thing happens. And when you
get in a fight like this, youbetter be able to take out the
other guy.
And I don't see how they caneven conceive that they have an

(37:41):
advantage here. That's theproblem. You have to have the
leverage and they don't.

Yep. Jim, I don't know if you wanna weigh in. You,
live in Illinois in the NorthChicago Suburbs. So the, not to
dox you there. But

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Nice. Thanks.

But now they're gonna come get

Specifically. Yeah.

Here's your address. But it's I mean, it's
bad downtown even in places thatused to be nicer places. And
there you know, it's still it'snot like it's not terrible
during the daytime. It's notlike, you know, as bad as some
of our other Democrat run citiesare, but it's not safe at night
at all, almost anywhere, even inplaces that were historically,

(38:26):
you know, like the safe wealthyareas. And it's getting worse
and worse.
So how do they get away withjust letting this spiral out of
control? Like, why don't theycare? They live there too, don't
they?

Jim Lakely (38:38):
You would think. Yeah. I mean, it's it reminds me
of when, you know, when DonaldTrump, you know, deployed the
National Guard in Washington DC.Very clearly, there was not any,
you know there wasn't anylegitimate controversy over him
doing that because that'sfederal land. Essentially, it's
a federal district, and sothere's a lot more leeway on
doing stuff like that.

(38:58):
And when the media wouldactually so while the Democrats
were, you know, complainingabout it, demanding that this
not happen, some enterprisingreporters would go around in the
neighborhoods, especially the sogreat neighborhoods in Northeast
DC. And people on the streetslike, wow. This is great. Thank
god. Somebody's doing something.
This this this city has been acrime ridden, you know, poop

(39:22):
hole for a long time. I'm gonnatry not to swear so much on this
podcast today. But and so now,you know, here in Chicago, I
mean, it's it's you know, crimeis a big issue. You would think
that, you know, you should beable to run a campaign on
cracking down on crime of allkinds in Chicago and win in in a

(39:45):
landslide. You know, I I Ithought you know, I've lived
here in the Chicago area forwell, since 2010.
And when Rahm Emanuel wasrunning for governor, I thought
he was the only democrat who waspractical and sensible and not
completely captured by the leftand had political ambition. And

(40:05):
I thought Ron Emanuel could beChicago's Rudy Giuliani and
telling everybody, you know,ignoring all of the criticism
and just going ahead and fixingthe city starting with crime. He
decided he didn't wanna do that.He got scared off by the
teachers' unions, and that wasthat. So Chicago had their
chance.
A couple year you know, what wasthat? I guess about ten years

(40:27):
ago to fix their city, and theydidn't get it. Now they've now
they've elected a moron commie,Brandon Johnson, as as as mayor.
I I think, like, two monthsafter his election, his approval
rating was, like, 19%. It'slike, well, approval rating
should have been that low wayback then, and maybe the the
city could have been saved.

(40:48):
But, you know, just on this icething, though, I think it's I
think it's clear I think it'simportant to get to to let you
hear what's happening here. Thisis what a real insurrection
looks like. The the whole ideaand and Sam had mentioned it in
his comments. Like, the thecities have gotten away with
this for far too long, so calledsanctuary cities. And now that

(41:09):
there is finally a president whois serious about enforcing
immigration law, immigrationlaw, by the way, that Democrats
approved.
This is the best immigration lawwe could we have right now. I
would like it even stricter, butthis is the law we have, and we
wouldn't have it if not forDemocrats. This is as far as
Democrats were willing to gowhen it comes to setting
immigration policy in thiscountry. And we have a president

(41:32):
who decides, okay. That's thepolicy.
I'm gonna enforce it. The thewhole idea to have a sanctuary
city, that's an insurrection.You can't have a sanctuary city
where we're not going to haveimmigration law enforced here.
You're safe, like, in a churchor something. We don't have
sanctuary city laws for, I don'tknow, concealed carry.

(41:53):
We don't have sanctuary citiesfor, you know, polygamy. I mean,
name it. I mean, you you thisthis it it should never have
been allowed, Sam, just like yousaid, and yet it is. But we have
a president who's not going toallow it anymore. You don't get
to decide federal immigrationpolicy in your own city limits.
You don't live in a littlefiefdom or a kingdom, and you

(42:14):
are not your own country. Thelast time, the Americans decided
that they, were not going toadhere to federal law I mean,
it's happened a lot of times,But, you know, it started at
some place called Fort Sumter.Now this is not to get too
crazy, but in principle, it'snot all that much different. You

(42:35):
don't get to basically have aninsurrection against the federal
government because you hateTrump. And, again, we've talked
about this on this podcast a lotthat the Democratic Party seems
to be in a competition to crankup as much deranged, unhinged
opposition to Donald Trump andhis supporters as possible, And
they just try to have to keepthey have to keep topping each

(42:57):
other to the point where they'reexcusing, guys, we had a
shooting at an ICE facility.
We've had two shootings at ICEfacilities in the last month.
Yeah. It's out of the news.Nobody talks about it anymore.

It happens all the time, actually. Like, it's
on

Jim Lakely (43:13):
all the time. Violence against ICE ICE agents
is up 1000% over last year. Andyet, again, the media is
ignoring all of this becausethey hate Trump. They hate half
this country, and they want thiskind of chaos. I don't know if
it's for ratings or or what, butit's it's it's ideological is
what it is.
But what is happening inChicago, what's happening in

(43:36):
Portland, that's much more of aninsurrection than anything that
happened on January 6, which wasa four hour riot with,
infiltration by federal agentsamong the rioters. That is
nothing compared to what we'rehaving going on in this country
right now. That is this is areal insurrection, and I'm
afraid it's going to get worsebefore it gets solved.

Well, and, you know

I wanna follow-up. Oh, I'm sorry. I wanna follow-up
briefly on the on theinsurrection point because this
is this is quite critical. It isthat. And I I wanna go back a
little bit.
In the starting fairly early inthe twenty first century, a very
quiet insurrection began inwhich states decided that they

(44:21):
were going to ignore the federallaws on on drug classification
in order to legalize cannabis.And when states did that, it was
sort of a, you know, a goofything. It wasn't seen as some
very serious issue, but itreally was a a an insurrection

(44:45):
where they were nullifyingfederal law and saying we're
we're not we're not going toenforce it here, and we're not
going to conform our laws to thelaw of the land. And the laws of
that are passed by congresssupersede all state and local
laws unless unless they areexempted in some way or the the

(45:08):
or the law is declaredunconstitutional. So you have
federal supremacy.
And so what happened was thatthat they started to undermine
that with the with themarijuana. That led now to, you
know, as they as they started tocut away at things, it led to
the current situation wherethey're actually openly defying

(45:31):
federal agents and and theactions of the federal
government within their,borders. And that is that's
obviously a big step away from,marijuana dispensaries and the
like. That's a big step. Andthen you you move from there.

(45:51):
What is next? We don't know. Butif it is on the same scale of
advance as this was, which wasover the course of, say, a dozen
years or so, things could getvery serious, I think, much more
quickly than anyone expects.

Yeah. I totally agree. And and, you know, the
you know, across the country, wehave the same thing. You know,
it'd be one thing if it was justChicago being Chicago, you know,
and Pritzker being a blowhardand and all of that. But it's
it's much worse than that.
Meanwhile, across the country,Portland is doing as Portland

(46:30):
does. You have a bunch ofretirees during the day singing
Woody Guthrie song Guthriesongs. And then at night, masked
Antifa in black block attack icefacilities, including, you know,
Molotov cocktails and conductingactual attempted sieges. So it
really is out of control. Andlike in Chicago, Portland and

(46:51):
Oregon government is notinterested in stopping it.
I've even seen rumors, thatPortland PD have a large number
of anti folk working in thepolice department. And so they
they just simply don't doanything. Breitbart reports that
president Donald Trump hasauthorized the use of troops to
protect Portland, Oregon and anyimmigration and customs

(47:12):
enforcement facilities that areunder siege from an attack by
Antifa. Trump said at therequest of secretary of homeland
security, Kristi Noem, I amdirecting secretary of war Pete
Hegseth to provide all necessarytroops to protect war ravaged
Portland and any of our ICEfacilities under siege from
attack by Antifa and otherdomestic terrorists. Just

(47:35):
yesterday, there was a WhiteHouse roundtable on Antifa and
kind of how their terror cellswork.
Basically, every single personat that table has been
assaulted. Some many of them tothe point of having to go to the
hospital by Antifa just forreporting on them. So I strongly
recommend all of you guys watchthe full roundtable, but at

(47:59):
least watch some clips from it.We do have some for you guys
here. Do we have those?

Jim Lakely (48:03):
Yep. Here we go. Alright.

Speaker 6 (48:05):
Thank you, mister president, for having us here.
And, you know, not to sound likea broken record, but it needs to
be said that Antifa is real.It's real. It's a threat. I just
saw him last weekend over inPortland while they're causing
mayhem over there.
And the reason why there's sucha big problem is because we have
Democrats and a lot of people inthe mainstream media refusing to
acknowledge that they evenexist. Right?

Speaker 7 (48:24):
2019, it led to me nearly losing my life. I was
covering another Antifa. Protestturned right, at that point, had
been routine in Portland, andthen I was ambushed in a in a
mob beating, and I had neverbeen in a fight. I didn't even
realize that I was beingassaulted until seconds in, and

(48:47):
the punches came from everywhereon my head and my face, I was
bleeding out of my eyes andears, and then they threw all
the drinks in my eyes tohumiliate me further and to
laugh at me. And I was rushed tothe hospital in a ambulance and
CT scan, and I had subarachnoidhemorrhage, which is bleeding

(49:07):
the brain.
I nearly died.

Speaker 8 (49:09):
Great principle. Yes. You know, I watched I'm a
reporter in Seattle, andfrankly, I could not care any
less what any of you have to sayabout this meeting. Could not
care any less. We're not herefor you.
I'm not here to convince any ofyou that Antifa is a real thing.
Because if you have not come tothat conclusion by now, you are
never gonna come to thatconclusion because you don't
wanna see it. And you're gonnago and you're gonna say it's a

(49:30):
bunch of right wing conservativeinfluencers who are here
spinning a tail. I was one ofyou. I was a mainstream reporter
in Seattle for ten years.
I was a TV reporter on thestreets doing my job, and I was
still assaulted by Antifa. Soit's not about being
conservative, it's about peoplewho go there and show what

(49:50):
they're doing. And when I sawafter all those years that the
media wouldn't be honest aboutwhat was happening, that
democratic politicians wouldn'tbe honest about what was
happening, I thought, well,gosh. If they're not being
honest about that, maybe they'renot being honest about president
Trump either. And it opened mymind to just looking at things
for what they were.

Jim Lakely (50:10):
Yeah.

Oh, here's some antifa mugshots.

Jim Lakely (50:14):
Yeah. There's some in that's really fun. That's a
good it's a really that's a realrogue's gallery there. You see
that guy with the burned face?Yeah.
He he was an unsuccessful or Iguess a successful arsonist,
call it that way. He did end upburning himself. But

Those two guys, the top row middle look like
what I picture when I think ofsomeone from Portland with the
mustache.

Jim Lakely (50:37):
For sure. I mean, I thought I thought the hipster
mustaches were I thought thosewere out of style. I guess not.
So, yeah, well done. Headtattoos.
I mean, real, you know, realwinners there. What what's
interesting about that clip, andI definitely encourage everyone,
it's very, very easy to find onsocial media, or you can just go
to Seaspan and watch the entiresummit yourself. The fact that

(50:59):
it was necessary to just provethat Antifa is a real thing to
some people. Democrats in thiscountry, elected Democrats, keep
saying that Antifa is just anidea. Others say, why would you
why would you be against anorganization fighting fascism?
These people I I sometimes, Sam,I don't know, but both of you

(51:21):
guys, I sometimes I don't knowwhether these people are just
being purposely obtuse that theyknow the reality on the ground,
but they're just partisans andpolitically or or
journalistically, they don'twant to let people know what's
happening out there on thestreets, that left wing violence
is obviously been a majorproblem for the ever since

(51:43):
Donald Trump's, ever since 2020.Left wing violence on the
streets. They they think thatthey think that we don't
remember. They think we don'tremember cities all across this
country burning, and that didn'thappen by you know, the Proud
Boys didn't do that. The OathKeepers didn't do that.
That was Antifa along with withBlack Lives Matter causing
complete chaos.

Well, I was I was gonna say, you know, don't you
guys remember those Halcyon daysin 2016 when Antifa was on
campuses and they were attackingconservative speakers and people
like Milo Yiannopoulos andstuff. It never went away.

Jim Lakely (52:18):
Does No.

It hasn't. I mean, does anybody remember,
like, based stick man? If youremember that. There it was one,
like, right winger guy who rightwinger started showing up armed.
Not necessarily with firearms,but with, like, bats and stuff
like that.
And then all of a sudden, peoplestarted getting arrested when
right wingers showed up wearingbody armor. That's when it was

(52:42):
like, okay. This is enough. Itwas one thing when it was anti
fuh beating people up with noone able to fight back. But now
that people are starting to comeprepared to fight back, that's
when they have to shut it down.
It's just disgusting. Like, theydidn't no one cared in these
police departments in LosAngeles or in Portland or in
Seattle when right wingers weregetting beaten to a pulp. But

(53:06):
Antifa thugs were only arrestedonce there was enough, like,
social local pressure, you know,public outrage like that bike
lock guy who was a collegeprofessor at, I think, UC
Berkeley. So no. Am I wrongabout the school?
I just pulled the school out ofmy butt. It was some California
school, but I'm I I feel fairlyconfident it was Berkeley. But

(53:28):
yeah. I mean, that stuff wascrazy. I think well, I think the
Bike Lock guy I might beconflating a couple of them
because it just happened all thetime back then.
But wasn't that at a, like, anAnn Coulter and Milo
Yiannopoulos speech at UCBerkeley? Something like that.
Anyway, it was crazy. And ithasn't stopped, but people
stopped talking about it. And alot of people stopped pushing

(53:52):
back publicly on Antifa becausethey knew that nothing would
come of it.
So I'm glad to see that Trump,you know, made the Matera
organization because they areone. And people are like, well,
they don't have they're not likethe the KKK or they're not like

(54:12):
some very obvious group that hasa particular specific funder and
stuff. So therefore, they don'texist. And as one of our viewers
here, Elysian Kentarky said,it's he's quoting from another
tweet a tweet, a very populartweet that makes the rounds. And

(54:33):
it's it's amazing how muchleftist discourse is just them
pretending not to understandthings, thus making discourse
impossible.
And that's exactly right.Everybody knows that how terror
cells work is that they are incells so that if one of them
gets taken out or if one groupof them gets taken out, like
Rose City Antifa or somethingspecifically gets shut down,

(54:56):
they've got a million otherlittle pop up hydras that come
all over the place. So that comeup all from the woodwork all
over the place. So it's justit's extremely frustrating. It
is like whack a mole, and that'swhat it's designed to be like.

Jim Lakely (55:14):
I just wanna mention that your your memory is is very
good. Look at that. This is froma story from 2017. A former East
Bay College professor pled notguilty to using a u shaped bike
lock bike lock to strike peopleat a Trump rally in Berkeley
last month. So he wasn't aBerkeley professor, but it did
happen at Berkeley.
He was a professor at another atanother college. Yeah.

That's pretty good. I'll give myself half
credit for that.

I think it's very possible for a person to think
that there is no particularviolence on the left. If you if
you confine yourself to themajor media in MSNBC and CNN,
little little niche audienceslike that. If you confine

(56:00):
yourself to those those spaces,of course, you're not going to
hear about the the horriblethings that Antifa has done.
That's that's a choice thatpeople make. And I think they
they, it's obviously, it's wrongto do that, but it it makes
sense for them because theydon't wanna be challenged.

(56:20):
They wanna be like that the thewoman in the interview earlier
in this show, therepresentative, because they
they don't wanna be challenged.They don't want to hear that
that their side is, you know, upto some no good things there.
The key thing, is that this isthe violence level here is way

(56:45):
beyond, and it and it has beensince 2020. And really before
that, Andy Noah has been gettingbeat up for a long time. And
it's

Yeah. I mean, they know his face, so that's
seriously dangerous. I mean,they they know him on-site.

Right. So it's been going on for a long time,
but it hasn't been the police ofthese cities and states doing
it, of course. It's been the thethese organizations and and as
basically ANTIFA, which is somesort of network of lunatics,

(57:18):
really. I do think that they arethat they are somewhat centrally
funded, that a lot of moneytrickles down to them from, very
wealthy people. Well, thequestion though is that, why is
all this happening on, in thissort of nongovernmental mode?
And that's anarcho tyranny wherethe the the state, the the

(57:43):
government, decides to letpeople run wild, in order to
throw a scare into the publicand make the public accept,
authoritarian action. Andinterestingly enough, of course,
you can spin that also bysaying, see, the Trump

(58:04):
administration is authoritarianbecause they are they are trying
to to, come into the states andand do these terrible things.
The the whole the whole thing,though, is always always an
effort to get more powerconcentrated, at the upper
echelons of the the of of thenation so that you're

(58:28):
concentrating, economic power,you're concentrating police
power, You're concentrating allgovernment authority. And,
ultimately, anarcho tyranny isall about that. So the question
that that we we should we needto address is, do we even really
have any obligation to waituntil state governments and

(58:50):
local governments areexplicitly, knocking heads as
they are doing to people on theright anyway?
But do we really have to waitfor that? If if this is
happening, couldn't we justdeclare these people as domestic
terrorists and go after them?Well, like, obviously, that's
the point we've reached. Anddefinitely, it's going to be

(59:13):
called authoritarian, but youhave to push through and do the
right thing. And I think thepublic will will respond very
positively to that.

Yeah. DJ Bow here is totally right. He said or I
guess by extension, Tim Pool istotally right. If he's been
saying that to the left,violence is a no is a knob that
they turn up slowly. To theright, it's a switch, and we are
hesitant to throw it.
Yeah. I think that's probablyfairly true.

Jim Lakely (59:40):
Yeah. Let let me make one

thrown, it's full it's full throttle.

Jim Lakely (59:44):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just let me make one more one
more observation here. It's likethis whole idea, and I I keep
seeing these arguments. I stillI'm still gobsmacked that the
left of Democrats are pretendingto Antipa and the media, that
Antipa isn't really a thing.
I had a clip I was gonna pullfor the show of Aaron Burnett
saying that very thing on CNN, Ithink, last night that Antipa
doesn't really exist. But youknow who else doesn't really

(01:00:07):
exist? January 6. There was noJanuary 6 organization. Right?
Yet the Biden, justicedepartment, went to the ends of
the earth to bring to justiceall 1,600 of them, every single
one of them a conviction, by theway, or a guilty plea. Isn't
that amazing? In Washington DC.But they spared no staff or

(01:00:33):
expense. They showed norestraint, and they were
knocking down doors in themiddle of the night of, you
know, grandmas who took selfieswho were a lot of these people
in January 6 were invited intothe into the capital, did not
realize they were trespassing.
They got they got overcharged.They got overcharged so much

(01:00:53):
that the supreme court had towhat was it? The they called the
fifteen twelve c provision inthe law that the that the
justice department was trying toimpose on January 6 people to
make them to basically make themidentify them as terrorists or
very very give them make themsubject to larger sentences and

(01:01:13):
felonies for parading around.Again, the Biden justice
department spared no expense andno staff to go down and track
down every single one of thosepeople. They set up websites
with the faces of these people.
Do you know this 78 year oldgrandma? Tell us who she is so
we can go arrest her. Websitesfor all of that stuff. You're
telling and so now the samemedia and Democrats who

(01:01:36):
applauded that use of federallaw enforcement are now saying
that it's impossible or weshouldn't even try to go after
the say just the people that youcan identify and see rioting,
assaulting, burning, not justconservatives, but federal law

(01:01:56):
enforcement, setting fire to tothings and rioting. We can't go
after those people in the sameway we went after January 6?
Damn right we can, and we'redamn well better because there's
really no difference. You don'tneed to I know that Donald Trump
in that in that in that Antifasummit talked about how they're
gonna be going after the moneyand the and the organizations

(01:02:17):
and the NGOs and the and therich leftists who are funding
all of these things. You know, apallet of bricks doesn't just
show up on itself by magic in inthe middle of a of a planned
protest area. Somebody boughtthose bricks and and delivered
them there.

Linnea Lueken (01:02:30):
So And that's stuff the FBI can track.
Absolutely. That's I do firesand stuff, you can get the ATF
involved, and the ATF is verygood at finding people, like
scary good. So

S.T. Karnick (01:02:42):
I do have to question the premise that there
was no January 6 organization.Well, we should look into
whether the FBI was that.

Jim Lakely (01:02:50):
Oh, well yeah.

Well, yeah. The I mean and one of the things that
people say all the time even onour side, and I've seen it in
our comments section too, ispeople saying, well, you can't
they don't have a centralizedfunder, so you're not going to
be able to, like, track downfunders and get them into
trouble and stuff. And I and Ithink that's not true if they
put the effort like Jim said, ifthey put the effort that they

(01:03:13):
put into tracking down Januaryinto this stuff because just
private individuals who are justinvestigative journalists online
tracked down the fact that,like, the Utah Antifa protest
groups and stuff had theirposters and their protests and

(01:03:35):
stuff being distributed by, likelike, state socialist groups,
like the Socialist Party ofUtah. Well, I think I I could be
misspeaking here, but it'ssomething along those lines.
Like, that's where you start.
And those guys are posting onFacebook, you know, oh, come to
this, you know, anti fascist or,like, a like, an anti fascist

(01:03:59):
self defense class or whatever.And it has, you know, the same
anti like, colors and logos andit's got the flag on the poster
and stuff. And it's like, well,maybe they're just using the
iconography, but you shouldstill look into that. You can
still attend. You could send anFBI agent to this dang anti fuh,

(01:04:20):
you know, thing.
And and they're paranoid aboutthat stuff. So they're they tend
to be kind of careful. But fromwhat I've heard from people who
have been embedded in anti fuh,they're not all that careful.
Like, if you're especially ifyou're like a white guy, they'll
treat you like garbage andthey'll treat you suspiciously
whether you're on their team ornot. But if you can pretend to
be a simpering little soy personlong enough, you will gain

(01:04:45):
access and you can figure outwhere that stuff comes from.
Don't tell me that the FBI can'tdo that stuff and doesn't do
that stuff towards other groups.You know? How many FBI agents
embed themselves in, like, theProud Boys, which is just a
right wing drinking club Right.Essentially, that that ran
security for free for forconservative speakers on

(01:05:07):
campuses and stuff. Or how many

Or the Gretchen Whitmer of Yeah. Exactly.
Actually, you know, actuallycalled a fed napping, not a
kidnapping.

Speaker 5 (01:05:16):
Yeah. It is, like, that stuff shouldn't

be happening. You know, that that that entire
situation was, like, being setup like that is terrible, and
the government should not bedoing that.

S.T. Karnick (01:05:27):
But when you important folks.

To have that power when the when the federal
government has legitimate powerto, like, embed agents into
groups and whether you think itshould be legitimate or not. But
if they have that and we're notdoing that to take down groups
like Antifa, what are we doing?What's the point of them?

S.T. Karnick (01:05:46):
It is important to recognize that people have the
right to organize, that peoplehave the right to, to get
together and and talk and andeven say that communism is a
good thing or whatever crazythings they wanna say. The
people have the right to dothat. But what you don't have a
right to do is have a criminalconspiracy against other
people's rights. People have aright to their life, liberty,

(01:06:09):
and property. And when you are,harming people like Andy they
they do to Andy Nell and manyother people, they they harmed
all kinds of people.
Many people were killed in inriots in in the, early twenty
twenty. So you have you have thethe government is supposed to
protect our rights. So if you ifyou are having conspiracies to,

(01:06:30):
to deny people their rights,which is what's going on in
Antifa, I mean, it's it's clearthat that's the whole purpose of
it. If that's what you're doing,then you are breaking the law
and and the government should beinfiltrating these organizations
and destroying them because theyare they are simply outside the
law. They're lawless and and andwrong.

(01:06:54):
And so I think it although wedon't want the government just
just to be going after socialclubs, this is not that at all.
This is something very, verydifferent. It's it's a massive
conspiracy against the people ofThe United States.

Just let me just one one last thing. I mean, think
you would think that bothpolitical parties should be able
to unite on the principle thatviolence is not the answer
violence is not acceptable inany way over a political
dispute. And the reason theDemocratic Party will not join

(01:07:31):
that is because the Antifa thugson the streets are useful to
them politically. They're theshock troops. They're the ones
intimidating dissent from theleftist agenda.
And as long as they continue tofind them useful, you will not
you will not hear a I have yetto hear a single Democrat, you
know, condemn Antifa, condemnthe, know, the the

(01:07:53):
demonstrations and the riots andthe assault upon ICE officers.
Officers. Again, up 1000%.Haven't heard a single Democrat
decry that because the and youhave to draw the obvious
conclusion. This is what theywant.
They want this, and they'reencouraging it, period.

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interesting from an economic andpolicy focus perspective. And
it's an opportunity for Geminito be nerds about pop culture
again for a second here. So fromthe hill, Trump renews threats
to impose a 100% tariff onmovies made outside of The US.
President Trump announced Mondayhe is imposing a 100% tariff on

(01:11:03):
movies made outside of TheUnited States.
Our movie making business hasbeen stolen from The United
States Of America by othercountries just like stealing
candy from a baby, the presidentposted on Truth Social. Trump
did not specify when the tariffwould be imposed. It's also
unclear how the administrationwill calculate the value of a
film and how the directive wouldapply to movies that partially

(01:11:25):
film overseas. The presidentpreviously threatened those
levies on foreign made films inMay, and he also took the moment
to criticize California governorGavin Newsom, as always, on
Monday calling him weak andincompetent, which is true. In a
Monday morning post on socialplatform x, Newsom's press

(01:11:46):
office called Trump's move 100%stupid.
The governor tried to explainthis to Trump months ago, they
said, when this was initiallyproposed that his actions will
cause irreparable damage to TheUS film industry. Well, we're
all gonna cry. Cry, cry, cryover that for sure. So I wanna
go I wanna take this to Jim.This is like you love the the

(01:12:07):
pop culture and the Hollywoodstuff, but I am not going to let
you have it first.
I'm going to pass it off to Samfirst because I want to know
what he thinks about thisparticular tariff idea. I don't
know. I mean, everyone has a lotof questions about this. What
does he mean? Where will thelines on this tariff be?
Does he mean, like, Americanfilms that are filmed outside of

(01:12:30):
The United States, like inCanada where a ton of them and
also television shows arefilmed? What if the film is set
in another country? Would Lordof the Rings have suffered a
tariff for filming in NewZealand? Or does he mean, like,
screenings here of entirelyforeign made films, like the
recent anime hit movie DemonSlayer or popular Korean or

(01:12:50):
Scandinavian horror films, whichalways do well here. Trump said
simply that it would apply toany and all movies made outside
The United States.
Does he mean it, Sam? Wouldn'tit make more sense to just give
domestic filmmakers, like, a taxbreak to film here or something
like that, like a positivereinforcement instead of a
tariff on this particular issue?I'd like to I'd like to know

(01:13:12):
your thoughts here.

S.T. Karnick (01:13:13):
Thanks, Lynette. The the most important thing is
to remember that we have to takeTrump's statement seriously, not
necessarily literally. And thereason he hasn't given any
details is because he probablyhasn't worked out the details
yet, and his team probablyhasn't. But what is the serious

(01:13:35):
point behind it? The seriouspoint is that Trump does not
care about the the benefit andwealth of the film industry.
What Trump cares about is thebenefit and the health of film
workers. So he wants Americansto be working on these films and
not people just across theborder in British Columbia or

(01:13:59):
Toronto or over in Europe orAsia and so forth. He wants
American films to he wants allas many possible films as
possible to be made withAmerican workers there. So the
key thing here, I think, is justto recognize that that this is
all part of Trump's whole wholepremise as a leader is that he

(01:14:25):
believes in America first. Andfor him, the first Americans are
working people.
The Americans said he who'swho's who's who he has the most
concern about are Americanworkers. And this whole issue is
simply a part of that. So whenGavin Newsom and his office

(01:14:51):
complain and say, well, Trump isstupid and he's going to ruin
the industry, they don't get thepoint. Trump's not worried about
the industry. The industry cango blow as far as he's
concerned, and it can go blow upand die.
And a new industry, a new, a newform of the industry will arise
from that because people do wantmovies and they do like movies.

(01:15:15):
And I would point out that thatI, have written about pop
culture extensively over theyears, and I sort of stopped
around 02/2012, 2014 in thatrange because it just got to be
so bad. I couldn't do itanymore.

Well, and I I was gonna say

S.T. Karnick (01:15:32):
But that's what's happening there, is that Trump
is defending American workersand he just does not give as
much of a hang about what theindustry looks like that, that
employs them. He would ratherhave power to the workers than
to the than to, let's say, multia multinational corporation,

(01:15:53):
that shall remain nameless, butis very woke. He would rather
have the power to the workersthan to Mickey Mouse's owner.
Oh, I gave it away.

Yeah. We can we can we can name and shame Disney
on this program. Definitely. Welike to do that. Chris Nisbet
asks, can Trump please put atariff on woke movies?
And I agree. You know what? Thisis how we'll do the tariff. I'm
gonna write this up. I'm gonnasend it to Trump right now.
I'm gonna say if the movie inthe box office after the second
weekend has a higher criticscore than audience score on

(01:16:27):
Rotten Tomatoes, it gets atariff. That that would be a
good judgment as to whether ornot the movie was woke. We'll
we'll we'll see. But, yeah, thatwould be terrific. Yeah.
And it's it is it is prettynotable how bad most of the
stuff coming out of Disney andcoming out of Hollywood in

(01:16:47):
general is these days. I mean, Ilove movies. I like to I like to
be up to date, but I justhaven't been able to generate
the care to watch any newmovies. The other night, I had
some time to watch a moviebefore or, like, after dinner.
And I was scrolling throughAmazon's new releases and stuff
and looking at Disney'soriginal, like, new releases.

(01:17:11):
And I was like, man, I'm gonnawatch rear window because all of
this is just all of this justsucks. I'm not watching any of
this garbage.

S.T. Karnick (01:17:20):
It's that little barfing emoji that, you know,
that always comes to mind.

Yeah. Exactly. And, Jim, you have the jar. I
don't have the jar. I haven'tmade the jar yet, but you get a
Jim moment.

I knew I was gonna do that. I have to do one every
show. Yeah. But the last movie Isaw in the theater was Superman,
and it was okay. And I can'tremember the movie I saw before
that.
I frank I only go to movies oncea year now. I used to I used to
go probably a dozen times a yearback in the day. And, you know,
my wife and I after that, we'rejust like you, Lynne. We're
watching you know, we're like,alright. We have had dinner.

(01:17:53):
Let's let's look around. Andwe'll scroll around, and it is
extremely rare for us to pick amovie that was made after
02/2010, you know, and that wasbefore all the wokeness stuff
happened. It's it's it's before,you know, Believe All Women or
whatever it was, the Me Toomovement, and all of that and

(01:18:13):
all of that nonsense and and,you know, girl bossery and and,
you know, remakes that changethe ethnicity of half the
characters just because becausediversity is important. And,
actually, we saw SherlockHolmes. You know, I'd never seen
Sherlock Holmes with RobertDowney Junior because I thought
I thought, you know, well, whydon't they hire a British actor

(01:18:37):
to play Sherlock Holmes?
It's very weird that RobertDowney junior would do it. Bet
he's terrible. No. He's great.He's really enjoyed the movie.
He's fantastic. So, yeah. We thewatched two Sherlock girls
movies back to back. That was02/2011. So and it it is
seriously refreshing to watch,quote, unquote, older movies
just from ten years ago.

(01:18:57):
The difference in tone, talent,writing, it's all so much better
just even ten years ago. There'sso little that is any that is
really even worth watching thesedays. But to get it back to the
to to the tariffs and Sam'spoint that you should take Trump
seriously, but not literallysometimes. This this idea is so

(01:19:19):
crazy that I don't even Iusually, Trump's tariff threat
is a negotiating tactic. Butwhat is he negotiating?
I don't understand what he'sdoing here. Because the the fact
of the matter is, Californialeftist politics ruined
Hollywood. They left because,you know, with with the union

(01:19:40):
rules, with all theseregulations, it is it's
literally there was a a channelI watched called Film Threat. I
recommend that to everybody onYouTube. He had a independent
filmmaker on who explained that,you know, he makes he makes
movies for, like, a million or$2.02 to $5,000,000, and he
can't make a film at all inCalifornia for that money

(01:20:03):
because of all how expensive itis to to produce anything in in
California.
Like, he got a he got a finebecause the wrong union guy
picked up the wrong cable on oneof his sets and was reported to
the union, he got fined a fewthousand dollars for, like,
having the best boy picksomething up instead of the key
grip. Right? So, you know, thesethese sorts of regulations are

(01:20:24):
what drove Hollywood orHollywood out of California. I
mean, you think about how manyfilms did you watch if you watch
all the to the credit all theway to the credits. I actually
can't remember the last time Ididn't see a film that didn't
thank the state of Georgia orthank the state of Tennessee,
you know, or or Texas at the endof that thing.
You know, they filmed The XFiles in Vancouver, not just

(01:20:46):
because of the aesthetics,because it was cheaper. This was
back in the nineteen nineties.

Yeah. And they always film anything any movie,
basically, that says that it's,like, supposed to have an
episode in Colorado orsomething. They're probably
filming it in Vancouver. Like,you have a wood scene, it always
is a Pacific Northwest woods andit cracks me up every time as,
like, a tree, like, a naturenerd. And you see those woods
with the, like, heavy fog andthe ferns and the moss growing

(01:21:12):
up the trees and stuff, andthey're like, yeah.
This is Arkansas. You're like,okay.

Yeah. Well, half the movies that you see that you
think are set in New York Cityare filmed in Toronto.

Yeah.

And most people can't tell the difference. But,
you know, just but how is thistariff again supposed to work? I
mean, I think it's soimpractical. I and I'm just
really curious when we finallyfind out what he's really
getting at here. Maybe it's toget Gavin Newsom to increase,
you know, tax breaks to keepmore productions in California.
I mean, you listen if you everlisten to Justine Bateman who

(01:21:44):
has become, you know, awakeinstead of woke over the last,
you know, ten years or so. Shehas fantastic commentary, and
she's been saying for quite awhile that Hollywood is dead.
There there's nothing thereanymore, and AI is only gonna
make it worse and faster. Youknow, there's the
democratization of filmmakingnow that's gonna make it's gonna
accelerate with the rise ofusing AI to make films. You

(01:22:09):
know?
So I don't know what what Trumpis really getting at here. I
mean, if I wanna go see yeah.One of the best movies I've seen
over the last two years isGodzilla minus one. I paid $15
for that ticket. Is that ticketgonna be now $30 because there's
a 100% tariff?
Is it on when the is it on thecan of film that comes in? Is it
on Yeah. No. I don't understandI don't understand understand

(01:22:30):
how this can be enforced. Youknow?

Yeah. Well, it

But his his intent is to get more filmmaking done
in The United States instead ofexporting it to Canada and and
other places. But when you havespent three decades
disincentivizing makingproductions in California, in
Hollywood, you can't fix thatwith a tariff, and you can't fix
it overnight, I don't think.

Yeah. And

this is

S.T. Karnick (01:22:53):
think it's I do think it's interesting that,
Newsom has basically said thatthis will destroy the the film
industry in Hollywood. Youalready did that. Your you you
all your regulations and andfavoritism toward unions and so

(01:23:13):
forth have already destroyed thefilm industry. So, you know,
it's it's it's Georgia and andTexas and North Carolina and and
places like that that reallycare about this.

Yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, I'm all for
punishing Hollywood. But, youknow, punishing them by by
showing them that their stuff ismostly crap right now. And, you
know, it there was a goodarticle in The Federalist the
other day by Evita Duffy Alfonsowho wrote a article saying why

(01:23:46):
Demon Slayer speaks to the souland Disney doesn't.
And she was comparing the incomeor the the box office office
numbers that a Japanese film gotand its scores that it got after
its opening weekend, 98%audience and critic score,

(01:24:07):
$70,000,000 on its openingweekend. And DreamWorks and
Pixar both had movies come outthis weekend, alright, over or
recently. I didn't hear abouteither of these. I had no idea
that DreamWorks and Disney Pixarboth released new movies, and
they flopped big time hard. Andit's and and the question is,

(01:24:30):
like, why is this stuff makingpeople like, why is a Japanese,
like, an anime movie killing it?
Just slaughtering the box officefor, like, a young adult or a
children's film versus, like,the most famous children's films
producers on the planet. Right?

S.T. Karnick (01:24:52):
Very simple. There's no DEI hiring in Japan.

Yeah. And I think that's probably true. Oh,
thanks. You didn't have to pullit up, but thank you for pulling
it up. But the the article isreally interesting and really
good.
The writer, she goes into somedescription of the plot of the
anime film and talking abouthow, like, this stuff is like,
they're they take on heaviertopics and take them more

(01:25:19):
seriously and have, you know,themes of, like, honor and
stuff. And American films justcan't seem to figure out how to
do that anymore. And that's partof the reason probably why
people like the like, so manypeople are turning to foreign
films and foreign animation andstuff over American.

Well, what

happened And LaSalle LaSalle on Rumble says
the Japanese and Koreans havenot abandoned traditional
storytelling. That's why theirproducts are better. And I think
you're right.

Yeah. And again, how would this tariff be like, Squid
Game was an enormous hit

for for Netflix.

So what happens there? I mean Yeah. Do I get a
surcharge on my monthly Netflixbill? Because I watched yeah. I
I I don't understand.
I I just don't understand howthis could be remotely enforced.
I really don't. But, again, I Iit's gonna be curious to see
what he's getting at. Maybe he'sjust he just wants to just to
piss off Gavin Newsom. I don'tknow.

(01:26:18):
But I don't understand how anyof this could be enforced.

Oh, John Z in our comments, Jim, has a comment for
you. He says there's a communitythat you might not be aware of
called Geeks and Gamers andFriday Night Tights. A group of
about a 100 individuals thatwork together to report on
entertainment. Yeah. Both bothJim and I are are fans.

Big fans of both of those channels. Yeah. I watch
Friday Night Tights every everyweek. It's great.

It's very fun. Alrighty. Well, you guys, we've
done our hour and a half show.That's, I think, all the time
that we have. So thank youeverybody for tuning in.
We are live every single weekcentral on Rumble, Twitter,
YouTube, Facebook. We are allover the place. So, Jim, what do
you have for us to close out on?

Well, I want you to if you enjoyed this show, you're
really gonna enjoy tomorrow'sshow as well. That is the
Climate Realism Show that webroadcast every Friday at 1PM
eastern time. We are going tohave a hurricane expert on to
talk about what happened to allthe hurricanes. It's hurricane
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entire September.
First time in ten years, one notonce for us in The US. So we'll

(01:27:24):
talking about that and, somecrazy climate news of the week,
and Lynea will also be

there. Absolutely. Sam?

S.T. Karnick (01:27:32):
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