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May 14, 2025 82 mins

In this thought-provoking episode, Rachel engages in a captivating conversation with Michael Yoder, a writer and composer from Victoria, British Columbia. Michael shares his personal journey through the Landmark Forum, a self-help program that he initially found appealing but soon discovered to be rife with manipulative tactics and coercive practices. As he recounts his experiences, Michael reveals the unsettling similarities he observed between Landmark and other high-control groups, including Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses.


Throughout their discussion, Michael reflects on the psychological pressures that participants face, from the initial allure of transformation to the harsh realities of life within the program. He candidly describes the confessional nature of the Forum, where individuals are pushed to declare their intentions and confront their perceived shortcomings in front of others, often leading to feelings of shame and betrayal. Rachel and Michael delve into the language used in these groups, unpacking terms like "transformation" and "getting complete," which often serve to obscure the true nature of the experience and keep participants engaged.


As they explore the aftermath of Michael's departure from Landmark, he emphasizes the importance of critical thinking and self-awareness in recognizing the manipulative dynamics at play in high-control environments. This episode serves as a powerful reminder of the resilience required to reclaim one's autonomy and the value of sharing personal stories to foster understanding and healing.


Check out Michael's book "Scattering Ashes"-

US:

https://www.amazon.com/Scattering-Ashes-Michael-Yoder/dp/0992029961

CA:

https://www.amazon.ca/Scattering-Ashes-Michael-Yoder/ 

E-book:

https://www.kobo.com/ca/en/ebook/the-scattering-of-ashes-1


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