June 16, 2025 • 35 mins
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Timestamps:
00:00 Club Success Strategies Simplified
05:08 Navigating Door Policies with Respect
07:37 Building Connections Over Time
12:25 Flirting Techniques and Etiquette
15:25 Party Etiquette: Ask Before Pouring
19:03 Club Strategies for Getting Numbers
22:02 Orchestrating Club Exits Effectively
24:30 "Ice Game Drinking Challenge"
26:43 The Sleazy Ice Game Dynamic
31:40 "Embrace Friend Zone for Social Success"
34:16 Join Elite Social Circle Network
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If you've ever walked into a loud nightclub and felt
completely lost, girls everywhere, tables packed,
promoters moving like sharks, this episode is going to change
the game for you. Most guys try to bring bar game
into the club. They show up late, they don't
know anyone. They try to force conversations
in a place where no one can hearthem.
It just doesn't work. But when you understand how club
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game actually works, how to use body language tables, social
proof and logistics, everything changes.
In this episode, I'm breaking down how to run high level club
game, how to get into the right venues, what to do once you're
at the table, how to pull from after parties, and how to create
magnetism without saying much atall.
If you want to learn how to operate in clubs like a logo
celebrity, even if you're brand new, this is the blueprint.
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So let's get into it. You're listening to the Inner
Confidence podcast. My name is Robbie Kramer, I've
been a coach since 2007 and I'vehelped countless men rapidly
achieve all of their social and dating goals.
My mission is simple, to help you position yourself to meet
stunning women, make awesome friends in route to becoming the
most confident and attractive version you can possibly be.
I'm absolutely obsessed with giving you the most leverage
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ways possible to win the game tostick around.
Let's go. There's a massive value in
friend zoning girls when you're trying to build your social
circle and do well in fast-pacedenvironments like nightclubs.
And I'm also gonna cover what happens at the pre party and
after party because of club night is always like a three
course meal. You got the pre party, the club
and then the after party. The value of having hot
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girlfriends is very underappreciated by most guys,
especially guys who are studyinggame and trying to get better
with girls. And there's such immense value
in having girlfriends, especially good looking
girlfriends, because it validates you to everyone else
wherever you go. And obviously if you have good
looking girls with you, it will cause other girls to start
looking your way. You can catch them trying to
make eye contact with you. So I'm going to shift from that
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and you know, we'll get back into why it's important to have
girls around. But I have a decent amount here
on club games, so I want to makesure I get through most of it
and then we can talk about girlfriends and building those
relationships again at the end. I think the big thing about
building your girlfriend networkis obviously being a chill, cool
guy and really avoid alienating yourself in some way by trying
to go too hard on some girl thatyou end up looking like a creep
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or a loser or pathetic or anything like that.
You want to make sure you stay neutral enough so that you're
not going to blacklist you. So that's really important.
And then I think the other big thing that I always do in terms
of building up my network, I always found out about fun stuff
going on. So girls would see a ton of
value in that they respected me.They wanted to hang out because
I was always looking for the funspot to go.
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Which is valuable for them because I can pass that info
along. They're better for it.
So I think those are the two pieces.
Moving on into club game. I broke it down from before you
even walk into the club to getting into the club, dealing
with security to when you're inside all the way to leaving
with girls. Creating an after.
Party and even what to do at theafter party.
If you're young and you have no money, befriending girls and
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promoters by adding value to them by bringing them girls is
one of the only good strategies to use.
If you have hot girls, rich guysare going to love you and
everyone wins. Having your own real estate, a
place you can bring girls back to, that you can easily get them
drinks super easily, you know I hate.
Going to clubs if I don't eitherhave full access to a table
where somebody genuinely likes me and wants me to be there,
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where I have bought my own tablethrough buying bottles.
I'm just not going to go if I don't have that, you know, And
the biggest mistakes guys make is thinking they can just go to
a club, buy a bottle and a tableand think that's enough.
I was at a club in LA called Warwick and there were four guys
at the table next to us. We had three guys and eight
girls. And it was just those four guys
with no girls. They are all dressed in suits.
And these dudes literally did nothing.
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And because we had tons of girls, they eventually started
getting closer and closer because they were next to our
table. They were kind of like spilling
over, you know, It was like a very small little, you know,
thing in between and they were obviously wanting to meet our
girls, but they were pretty scared.
They weren't really too scared to try I think.
But our table was overflowing and at one point, while we were
waiting for more booze, a coupleof girls ended up just drinking
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out of this guy's bottle. And he was like, cool with it.
He got nothing out of it. He made no attempt to try to
talk to the girls because if you're gonna drop the money, you
should be getting something for it.
And I even offered to pay for this bottle because our girls
were drinking it. And he was like, no, no, no.
But like, the reality was he just dropped money for no
reason. I think the quick and.
Dirty on that one is the bottle is your tool, right?
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So you're pulling girls over to get them drinks.
Any girl that's in your space, you know you're being nice,
friendly, playful, fun and offering them a drink.
It's different from buying a girl a drink at the bar, right?
You should offer girls drinks immediately because you have the
bottle, it's sitting on your table.
You know, it sort of brings theminto your space.
And if you bring a girl to your table and you don't offer them a
drink, it's pretty rude. But if you meet a girl at a bar
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and you don't offer a drink right away, that's normal unless
you've been talking to her for afew minutes and you order
yourself one without offering. It's just the social protocol of
the situation. If you invite a girl to a table,
pour her a drink. First thing to succeed in clubs,
a big part is about who else. You know, door guy game is super
important. You know, their job is to filter
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out who's coming in and who's not.
So they take it really seriously.
Sometimes they get in a little bit of a power.
Trip. And if they don't know you and
sense at all that you think you should be there, whether or not
they approve, then that's like abig turn off for them.
They're. Just going to sort of dig their
heels in and not want you to come in.
I experienced this a little bit in Paris a couple times.
We didn't have as many girls as normal and the door guy didn't
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know me that well because I was trying to walk in like I owned
the place. But unless you have a really
strong relationship with door guy, it's kind of a mix between
not being overly arrogant and not looking like a loser.
Someone who shouldn't be inside.It's a nice middle ground but of
friendly, open, chill, but also respectful.
You want to show that you respect their job and authority,
but when you see the opportunityyou know you want to try to get
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their attention. I think a big one is knowing the
door guys name. It definitely helps a lot.
They know a ton of people. Even if you found out their name
from someone else and they don'treally know you, you can say it
and they'll think that they met you at least once before, and
you could use that to your advantage at a time when it's
appropriate. You're not like yelling out
their name like you own the place, so you know they're close
to you. You know, they look over like,
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hey Eddie, hey Luke, hey, it's just me and two girls or me and
a girl, me and my buddy and two.Girls, whatever it is.
You could say you're joining a table, but I wouldn't bluff if
you don't have one because they're probably going to ask
for a name and you kind of need to know that or.
They're going to block you for bullshitting, so you just want
to be straight up. Either way, if you're nice and
coming correct, they're going togive you a better deal on
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tables, a better deal on bottles, a better deal all
around. So that's a little bit on the
door. So I always harp on this, always
try to have more girls and guys or at worse and even ratio.
Trying to bring. Anything more than one other guy
with you, unless you're spendingis kind of suicide.
You're just going to sit outside, it's not going to
happen. Dream another dream.
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And quality over quantity when it comes to girls is always a
rule to go by. It's way better to walk up with
two eights or even 2 sevens thanthree to five sixes.
And height is definitely a factor too.
And a lot of clubs, tall girls rule even if you're not
attracted to them or it's not your thing, even if you're
short, whatever it may be, make friends with these girls.
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Making friends with them will help you with social proof.
It'll help you meet other girls.It'll make it easier to go
places. It'll make people way more
attractive. Dio, it's very, very important
to have tall girlfriends of thisnature.
They just rule nightlife. All right, so let's say you got
by the door. You're either adding a bottle to
a table or they just let you in,whatever it may be, when it
comes to the entrance at any venue, you want to come in with
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a very strong posture, a big smile.
The more people you know the better.
And that's going to take time. You can sort of fake the funk in
the beginning. You know when you're going to
these venues, you want to constantly be meeting more
people and going back to the same places.
The bartender, the door guy, even the security.
The more people you know in the venue, the easier it is to
operate. These people also change roles
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and move ranks as time goes by. You know your buddies with the
security guy who was working by the bathroom and a few months
later now he's working the VIP section and he's not going to
give you a problem going into VIP because he remembers you
when you gave him the time of day.
OK, So remember that. You know, in the club you just
make as many friends as possibleand you can fake the funk.
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Like I said, you can wave and point.
You can do a little bullshit pretending like you know more
people than you do when you walkin.
Don't overdo it, obviously. Genuinely knowing people reign
supreme and as you start and keep going to these venues, you
can meet. More and more people it gets
easier. Obviously fashion is important
in every sense. A quick thing on club fashion.
The biggest thing that people dothat I think hurts them in the
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club is overdressing or dressingtoo professional.
Like you just came from work, donot wear a suit to the club.
Makes you look like a mark. The door guy won't let you in
without buying a bottle. The girls will think you're a
loser. Dress cool, casual, trendy,
slightly fashioned forward. Unless you know a ton of people,
then you can be a little bit more outrageous and edgy and
it's funny. It's actually the polar opposite
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of bar game of what I was sayingin terms of conversation that
reigned supreme. Conversation doesn't matter and
actually only hurts you when youtry to have a serious
conversation with a girl. Or even sometimes like a playful
conversation that involves too many words.
You know, the deep role play, that sort of stuff.
You need to hear everything for it to be funny.
And you're just going to end up hurting yourself because you
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want to be heard by the girl. You're going to look lame by
trying to make sure she hears you.
You're just going to come acrossas needy and it's hard for her
to hear you. It's just a painful interaction.
So by far the better way to go is to do non verbal body
language playful. Definitely do a ton of trying to
get girls to catch you staring at you in the club and as you
build up a network there, the more that stuff will just happen
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on its own. I try to catch eye contact and
then I try to be playful, makingfaces, you know, kind of rolling
your eyes, kind of being a bit of a human emoji just because it
plays with girls energy levels. It kind of gets them excited and
giggly and whatever. It doesn't require any
conversation. I like to be super animated and
that attracts people. I look like I'm having a good
time always and I walk through the club.
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The level of confidence the, andthat's really the way you
differentiate yourself is through your body language, the
confidence you exude, how you differentiate yourself with your
clothing. It's just like, what are you
going to do to separate you fromevery other average dude you
know wearing a similar outfit inthe club if you're looking like
you're having the best time at the party?
And you're making your own party, people automatically be
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attracted to you and they'll be super open to you and they'll be
super open to you introducing yourself to them because you
know you're you're bringing theminto your.
World And a big part of this is getting into the right mental
state and that happens before you walk into the club at the
pre party. I'm having a pre party every
time if I can, you know I'm going to be drinking, people are
going to be vibing to the music.So what are the chances of me
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showing up not in a good mood? Like, why the hell are you going
out in a bad mood? It's a recipe for disaster.
The goal is to go out and celebrate a good mood.
And if you're not quite there orsomething's off, that's going to
be a mental thing for you. But part of it is acting.
And that acting ability, that ability to communicate through
your body language and expression that is applicable to
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girls, applicable to your sociallife.
It's applicable to business. That's something that you need
to figure out on your own. But very simply answered, I'm
smiling, I'm animated, I'm laughing harder than normal.
I'm not over acting. I'm just allowing myself to have
have a good time and trying to stay out of my head.
If I'm not talking to someone, Imake sure I don't stay stuck in
that ad space and talk to whoever I can.
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I might even go to the bar and start cheering people, chat with
the bathroom attendant. Just anything to avoid being a
wallflower. That's a good place to mention
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I love the stuff. My wife drinks two of them
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No cannabis in here, no alcohol but makes you feel good so try
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some of this stuff it's amazing,tastes so good and no hangover.
So my buddy invented it because he used to drink too much booze
and now he's good on this. So good alternative if you're
trying to quit the boost. SO1 funny thing that I do that
is really childish. And if I met a decent amount of
people at the table, you know, if it's not my table, if it's
your table, for example, and hopefully you brought people to
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the table so you can kind of know everyone.
You can do like the tapping on the shoulder thing to girls.
Like you tap their opposite shoulder and they're going to
turn around, right? So you're kind of like tapping
them on this side. Like you're standing here and
you're tapping in the shoulder. I'm going to look this way.
And then, you know, you do that a couple times.
The first time they're like weirded out and then you do it
again and then they finally notice and you guys kind of have
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this inside joke together. That's a pretty low risk.
One that I've used a decent amount to meet girls at the
table. You know, more advanced stuff
would definitely be throwing ice, you know, throwing ice down
girls shirts even. Be careful with that.
You can only do that maybe once or twice a night.
And you know one thing that's almost always happening at the
table. Also, some of these more sort of
hybrid bars, anywhere where there's dancing, girls are going
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to be dancing, they're going to be shaking their ass, they're
going to be partying. And don't be like the other
usual scummy dudes and try to like freak with them.
Don't grind on them. Do not grind on the girls at the
table. What I'll do is I'll back my ass
into them in a really playful way and kind of like shake my
ass, you know, like back into them.
And they'll always kind of grab me around the waist and they'll
basically freak me from behind. And then if I'm getting a ton of
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love, I might turn around and dance with them a little bit,
right? And then I'll run away and I'll
do it to the girl like right next to them.
I'm not trying to hide anything,but I'm also not getting all.
Sleazy. And that's like my favorite
thing to do. Like if a girl's sitting down.
Looking like she's not having a good time.
Sometimes I'll go over and just give her a kind of like half ass
lamp lap dance just to get her into a better mood.
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It's all about energy levels. If you can bring a girl up and
be happy and having fun. I mean, that's why she's at the
club. That's why she wants to be
there, so she can have fun. So you're helping her get to
that place, then she's going to appreciate you either as a
friend, maybe she's going to bang you later, maybe in a week,
whatever it is, maybe in a month.
But even as a friend is super important.
If you're viewed as a fun guy, she's going to want to go out
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with you again. And then it makes your life that
much easier when you're trying to get into the next club or not
buy bottles or hang out a promoter table because now you
have girls with you. So really try and think about
the girls and help them have a good time.
Actually, this is something we talk about in the community all
the time. The guys inside the Discord are
constantly helping each other out.
And I literally just coached someone through this exact issue
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just a couple days ago. So this is our Discord
community. There's a whole system in place
to help you level up. From our belt.
System to our weekly Zoom calls.Plus, members get exclusive
access to things like the organized Girl Advice threads,
where you'll be guided with specific real time advice for
your specific girls and the ability to post recordings of
your approaches and other interactions, screenshots to get
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direct feedback on things like texting, fashion advice, you
name it. And that's just the tip of the
iceberg. And the best part?
It's a place where you get real time feedback, accountability,
and tons of support from other members all around the globe.
If you've been in a community before, I guarantee it's nothing
like this one. I only accept successful,
motivated guys who want to reachthe highest levels of personal
development and game. So if you're a total noob or a
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tire kicker, this is. Probably not going to be a good
fit for. You you'll discover all the
other benefits when you join so if.
If you're looking to take your game in the next level, this
could be the place for you. Funny story, I was at a table
with, well, I was at the table next to Mickey Rourke at this
tiny club in New York. The tables were kind of spilling
over and we started chatting with him and his handler and we
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had some girls and he had some girls.
We kind of merged tables. And one of the guys in the
group, you know, a friend of mine just sort of walked up.
He hadn't met Mickey. And he just kind of went down
and reached for the alcohol and I, like, grabbed his arm like,
yo, let me introduce you to Mickey first.
Who paid for this table? If it's someones table and you
don't make a point to introduce them like you have no business
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touching their alcohol until they say you can, right?
So don't just grab at it and obviously introduce your
friends. I'm always like, yo, is it cool
if I pour some champagne or is it cool if I pour some of this?
And sometimes, you know, we get to that over the top place where
it's like totally cool your table, my table, whatever.
But I think at the end of the day, they still do appreciate
that you're not just taking their booze.
So going back to introducing yourself to everyone at the
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table, expanding your social circle in that scene, I think
another big one is starting to introduce people.
You can totally fake the funk with this too.
Meet a few people and then as new people come along, you
introduce those people to the people you just met.
And I kind of did that shit all the time.
It kind of puts you at this connector level, which is higher
social value. And you really don't need to
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know that many people to start doing that.
And the more you do that, the more it starts building on
itself. What you want to help create is
so everyone at the table knows each other because that makes
the table more fun. And if you're helping connect
that and make that happen, then you know you're going to have
that much more power in that whole social dynamic if you can
introduce. Girls to girls.
And the guys, if you're an introducer, that makes you look
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so much more attractive in theireyes.
Like just from that alone, you're going to get a ton of
love from the girls, The table you're at, who you're with, how
much fun they're having, how hotthe girls are.
How good the table? Is all that stuff will add up to
how much other people are takingnotice of you in the club, how
much girls are noticing you. You know how easy it is to catch
eye contact. All of those things add up to
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making it easier to meet new girls.
So let's talk about dancing, because this is one of the most
misunderstood parts of the club game.
You don't need to be a great dancer.
In fact, trying to look slick orsuave usually backfires unless
you're actually trained. The goal here?
Is energy not technique? In a club, dancing is your
nonverbal game. It shows.
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How you demonstrate vibe, playfulness, and that you're the
kind of guy who knows how to have fun without needing
anything from her or anyone else.
If you're at your own table, your dancing energy sets a tone.
You don't need to dominate the floor, you know?
Just be in motion, be expressive, have fun, laugh,
pull your friends in. If a girl is dancing, you can
join her by matching her energy,not by grinding up behind her
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like every other creep as I mentioned.
Before use the. Move of backing into her
playfully, letting her kind of grab you.
It totally flips to dynamic at big tables.
Also sometimes throw a little shoulders to me or even just
bust out a ridiculous dance movelike, you know, the lawn mower
or like the staying alive crap. I'm just trying to be fun and
playful. And the key is to always look
like you're enjoying yourself. Remember, if you're on the dance
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floor, a lot of clubs don't evenhave dance floors.
It's going to be loud. Remember, you're not going to
connect through words, you're going to connect through eye
contact, touch, and proximity. Just like the club versus the
bar rule, if you can't talk, youbetter learn to speak with your
body. Bottom line, don't overthink
dancing. You're not auditioning for so
you think You Can Dance. You're creating a fun energy,
giving women a reason to want tobe around you.
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So moving on to getting numbers,let's say you're introducing
yourself to people, you're having fun.
You know, you're trading the party at the table.
Obviously you want to get numbers and you want to get as
many numbers as possible always.And the good thing about a club
and sort of, you know, trying tomake girlfriends as well as
girls you're trying to get out with, you can get a lot of
numbers in a club. You can certainly get a lot of
numbers in a bar. But you can get every girl's
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number at a table. When you're at a club and it's
really not weird to do that, youknow, you still have to tread
carefully with promoters sometimes if you're at one of
their tables because they might be territorial of the girls.
But if it's your table and you brought the girls over, you can
get numbers of all the girls andthen most of them won't even
notice you're doing it because there's so much like other shit
going on at the club. And in most cases, in most
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situations you know like in major markets like in LA those.
Chicks are so likely to give youthe number because if you just
got a table. They now want you to know they,
you know they, they want to knowthey can go out with you in the
future. Every chick in LA is trying to
go out and find those guys who are spending money if they're
party animals. I don't remember the last time I
asked a girl to give me their number.
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What I do every single time after the introduction, maybe
after a playful conversation, obviously non verbal stuff, sort
of bantering verbally, non verbally.
If there was a sort of vibe. Even if not, after a little bit
of that, I'll just hand them my phone with the number screen up.
If they're confused, I might sayyou know what to do, and if
they're not then you know they might say like no.
They shake their. Head then you can kind of make
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like a joke out of it and be like what?
Like you don't know you don't know what you're supposed to do
here. But I almost never get turned
down in that situation. And granted I have social proof
and other things going for me, but they know what to do.
They're. Programmed to just put the
number in the phone. It's so easy in clubs because
the music is loud, it's hard to talk, almost like an excuse for
you to do nothing except hand onthe phone.
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I think it's definitely a good way to go.
And the other thing that I thinkis super important, which I
forget sometimes because I have so much other stuff going on, is
I text them right there. Because if you wait until the
next day and they were at the club, they gave out their number
to four or five of their guys atnight and they're all texting
them the next day. If you got the number right then
and there, maybe 5 minutes later, whatever, text them
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something related to the playfulinteraction you had.
Something like Robbie, boring guy with the ugly shoes.
Ideally that way they'll remember you, they'll connect to
it, they'll laugh. And sometimes what I'll even do,
let's say their phone's away or they're not looking at it.
I'll make a reference to the phone, point at the phone so
that they do look at it, and then they reconnect me with the
text again. Or other times what I'll do is
when I text them, I'll show themmy phone and I text so they know
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that is coming from me. Then hopefully it gets a little
laugh and when they look at my phone or something like that,
you know, it just creates that recall, but it just makes it so
much more likely that they're going to respond and remember
who you are. So let's talk about pulling
girls back and after parties. I harp on this all the time.
It's all about logistics and making sure you're set up to
succeed the night of and if there is an after party or even
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bringing one girl back, a few girls back and people throw
around that after party term so much.
It doesn't have to be an actual party.
You can say it's an after party,even if it's just you a buddy
and two girls. It doesn't have to be anything
crazy to be an after party. It's.
Just an excuse to go back. And it's way better than saying,
hey, you want to go back and talk or, you know, you want to
go back to my place. Because both of those things
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make the girl feel like she's easier and being a slut and she
doesn't want to feel like that. So if you say you want to go
after party it just removes that.
And you can use other excuses too if you don't want to have
other people over here or whatever it's, you know, hey,
you want to come back, We're going to check out the view from
my balcony. It's super dope.
Or come smoke hookah or I have apool table.
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Use any excuse so they can sort of remove themselves from the
decision to go to your place. So the ride from the club to the
after party is super important. Make sure you orchestrate when
it's time to leave with your other wing men or to the Ubers
at the same time. Otherwise, girls will be like
out on the sidewalk and other guys will be grabbing at them
and you'll lose people in the process.
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And then when you get in the car, a .1 of the girls to be DJ
in the Uber. If you have a bunch of girls and
you're piling into an SUV, it's important to kind of herd.
Them, you know, you're kind of like a shepherd because girls
can go in all sorts of differentdirections outside of a club and
other guys will be grabbing, trying to get them to come home
with them. But what you can get away with
as far as like throwing girls into a car, granted there's
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other girls in there. You're not doing anything that's
against the law, right? You just kind of want to create
a party environment in the car and it's usually a 5 to 10
minute ride tops. The car is another good time to
do some of the conversation rapport stuff that you haven't
had any chance to do at all in the club.
So maybe a little bit of that while you're on the ride back.
It's a little lower energy. So when you're back to your
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place, whatever other after party spot you've set up, or if
it's a hotel or Airbnb or if you're staying somewhere else,
you've got to have it minimum. Booze, ice mixers, some sort of
glassware, cups and music at a minimum.
You got to have that. If you don't have that, it's
really tough to sustain anything.
And the girl. Are just going to get bored and
be like these guys don't know what they're doing and probably
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take off pretty soon, but at minimum you need the booze and
the music when you get back and you don't wait.
Forever to start it flowing. I think games are super
important. It's just kind of like lightens
up the mood, especially you justcame from a club.
There's so much stimulation at aclub.
If you go back to an after partyand it's like 5 or 6 of you and
there's just not much going on, it can get boring for the girls
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super quick. So playing games is an easy,
kind of contrived way to keep the energy going.
But games are an amazing way to transition from a club and feel
like it's more chill but still fun.
And it's also leading sexual because if you're in an after
party situation, you know, the whole point is to hopefully get
one-on-one hook up with a girl. So the ice game, which we've
talked about a million times in the group, I'll get into it real
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quick. Basically you set up a seating.
Situation where it goes guy, girl, guy, girl, guy, girl.
Hopefully you have too many girls and then you know, it's
you know. Girl girl, guy, girl, guy, girl,
girl, girl, right? And you announce, OK, everyone,
we're playing a game. Have everyone sit like
orchestrate where they're sitting.
Have a bottle of alcohol, some shot glasses and a bucket of ice
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in the middle of the table. And then say, all right, on the
count of three, every guy is going to pick up a piece of ice
or every second person is going to pick up a piece of ice and
you're going to pass it to the person on your left without
using your hands. Ready, set, go, and I'll
orchestrate it. And is totally lead it.
And if everyone kind of does it together, you know, like you
just kind of motor through that first awkward moment of like,
oh, wait, we're passing ice withour mouse here is this, are we
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really doing this? But if everyone else is doing
it, it'll just totally go with the flow.
I've been in situations with themost prudish girls who would
like never, ever, ever play the ice game.
But if everyone else does it, they just kind of follow along.
And the ice game is amazing because you're literally, you
know, you're kissing the girls and after about two minutes you
rotate spots. They say, OK, every guy gets up
and you rotate a spot. So now you're between the girl
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who is next to you and then a New Girl, and you can really
start to feel out which girls are into you.
If they're, you know, giving youlove, they're going to be
prolonging that passing of the ice, maybe some tongue action,
whatever. And that will usually lead to a
bunch of debauchery. And that game usually lasts, you
know, 10 to 15 minutes tops before it kind of breaks and
people start to pair up. Ice game is my favorite of all
the after party games just because it's so easy with the
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ice. Game you know the girls may be
up for it or they may not and all you need is 1 mother hen
who's like we're. Not doing this.
And then they're kind of all, you know, they have have to
agree. So they don't look, you know,
like sluts. So there certainly is a time and
place. Another way I'd like to
introduce the ice game is like, oh, have you guys ever heard of
the ice game? Super dope.
And hopefully you have another guy in the group who knows the
ice game. You guys can talk it up and and
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then you show them. I found the ice game while I was
travelling through Europe. My wing man was at home that
night. You know, he took the night off.
He'd been partying too hard for the previous two weeks straight.
So I went out solo and I was introduced to the ice game by a
group of Germans. I was like the 12th person
involved. They had 6 girls, five guys, and
they pulled me in for the ice game.
So I'll tell this funny story about how I was out with a
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buddy. We were just trying to scam on
chicks on this trip to Europe. And one night he stayed home
alone and end up making out withsix German girls.
And he was super pissed. And I'll tell the story.
I'll be like, and now we're going to play that game.
And remember, you can't be overly excited about playing and
about making out with chicks. It has to come off as like, oh,
we do this shit all the time. It's like not a big deal.
And if you look too over eager then it just comes off really
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sleazy. You know, it's already kind of
sleazy. I mean, it is sleazy at the end
of the day. So you have to mass a sleazy by
being nonchalant about it. And the other good thing about
the ice game is, I mean, it's kind of like a lash resort.
Like typically an after party, you know, you have some other
people who are like outside smoking, some people in another
room kind of hooking up and people kind of find each other
and they make it happen. Like girls understand dynamics
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of after parties and they're coming back to the after party.
It's either because they just want to party more with their
friends or they're gunning for acertain guy and they're down to
hook up. Ice game is best used in a
situation. Where the energy is kind of
dying or you play it right in the beginning.
You know, where everyone's together and he needs something
to kind of like break the pattern and turn it into a more
dynamic and fun experience. So, you know, I'm not playing
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the ice game every time. I'm I'm just kind of busting out
when I need it. So other games I can talk a
little bit about some of the other games that aren't as wild
and necessarily like, you know, hard to convince girls to play.
Kings is one of them. I would think most of the you
guys have probably heard of Kings or Kings cup.
Basically you have a full beer or full mixed drink or whatever
in the middle. You spread all the cards in a
deck around the cup. And you each.
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Pick one and has a number with some meaning to it, whether it's
you know 2 for you, 3 is me. You have to drink. 4 is, you
know whores, so the girls have to drink. 6 is Dicks.
So the guys have to drink. Everyone touches the floor.
If it's like a seven last persontouching the floor has to drink.
And in every number there's a rule associated with like the
loser, whoever you know doesn't do something fast enough has to
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drink. So that's one game.
Another game is Never Have I Ever, which leads to people
sharing a lot of funny stories, a lot of times sexual things,
party related things or things that they might be embarrassed
of. And basically how that game
works is you say something that you haven't done that you think
maybe other people in the group have done.
And if you have done it, you have to drink and put one finger
down. You start with five or ten and
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whoever runs out of fingers first loses or wins a life
depending on how you want to look at it.
But that's Never Have I Ever andTruth or Dare is another one I'm
sure everyone kind of knows. There's some other games that
aren't quite as hard to pull offas the ice game can be at times.
Then there's Spin the Bottle, Truth or Dare, which is a fun
one that I get more into. If you have one guy who's really
good at orchestrating that and can kind of feel out like what
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people need, what dares and whatpeople need, what truths, then
that can be a very advanced but awesome game.
My personal favorite, I guess maybe tied with the ice game.
And then I think the other big thing about after parties, it's
kind of like flowing nicely. People are already sort of
paired up. The after party is the perfect
time to go into rapport. You know, more legit
conversations. Where's at the club.
You didn't have any opportunity to do that.
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So this is your opportunity to flex those conversation skills
and really show off that part ofyour game.
You get to know each other a little bit, all that kind of
stuff. I guess the only other.
One which I'll run into sometimes because I'm not as
aggressive as a guy as some other friends, I don't think is
getting the girl back into your room because you've already
gotten to the after party. That's like the final step where
she has to resolve herself from hooking up.
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But the whole thought process ofa girl being like, OK, I'm going
to this room, something's going to happen.
That's always, you know, the sort of biggest 1 to get
through, at least in a party situation where you're trying to
isolate the girl, you know, backinto your bed or into your room.
And one of the good moves I useda lot is having a Rolodex of
YouTube videos that are funny, cool, whatever.
And be like, oh, I got to show you, you know, I got to show you
this video. Your laptop happens to be in
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your room or on your bed. You know, all of a sudden you're
watching a new funny YouTube video with this girl in your
bed. And then it's pretty easy from
there to, you know, close the door.
Doesn't really make a scene where other people you know see
what's going on. You're not like telegraphing or
asking. Her to your room.
One of my favorite videos, whichis old as fuck but always a hit,
is the Hot Crazy Matrix. The guy basically, you know,
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he's super deadpan, looks like aprofessor.
He's breaking down everything a man needs to do in terms of
dating women. And it's this crazy axis versus
the hot axis. And there's a hot and a crazy
line, you know, all this stuff. And he says it with, you know,
the most hilarious deadpan voice.
I think it, it's great. It's funny, it's true, it's true
as well. And girls kind of know that it's
true. And it makes them start to think
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like, oh, what category do I fall into?
And it almost makes them a little bit like, you know, puts
them in their place a little bit, I think, which always kind
of helps with the power dynamics.
It's also great because you can transition to that video.
You can start talking about social dynamics and you can lead
into like, Oh my God, I have to show you this video about blah,
blah, blah. Or, you know, you're talking
about, you know, different dynamics or your friends crazy.
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You know, she's like a Unicorn, but she's actually be on that
hot crazy scale. She'll be like, you know, have
you seen the hot crazy matrix? Like you don't know the hot
crazy matrix. You got to check out this video.
So a bit more on making girlfriends.
I think it goes, you know, way back to what I was saying
earlier when it comes to not doing anything that's going to
alienate yourself and kind of blacklist you from the girl
group. Be friendly, generous, but not
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overly generous that you just kind of look like a simp or a
pushover. It's kind of like finding that
balance, which can be hard, I know.
Remember, the friend zone isn't bad.
Use it to your advantage. The girl will introduce you to a
bunch of her friends, you know, you might bang a bunch of her
friends. Then two years later you might
end up banging her too, you know?
If not, it's not that bad to endup in the friend zone.
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It doesn't mean that. You're never going to have a
chance with her and it will definitely help you with the
friends. But either way, it's going to
help you to have tons of girlfriends.
It's going to help you go into the clubs, it's going to help
you at bars, sort of having thatsocial proof and meeting new
women in general. So I would just say to make a
point to make girlfriends, not just the girls that you can take
on dates and hook up, but like actually make a goal of making
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girlfriends or friends that are girls.
I think a lot of guys don't do that.
The way I've always done this isI've added value to the girls by
bringing them good times. So if there's a way that you can
do that, having the access, having the invites and sort of
being able to bring them into fun environments has been my
biggest value add and why I've been able to grow my network so
big and so quickly. Ideally, one or two days before
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is the best time to sort of invite girls out because they
haven't totally figured out whatthey're doing yet.
So you're going to get way more flakes if you invite girls out
too soon. So saying that they don't know
what they're doing yet, you know, they're going to say, oh,
you invited me, you invited me too early.
It just kind of looks bad. So remember to invite them one
or two days before if you're going to go party.
The other thing I really want toencourage you guys to do is
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organize pre parties whenever you're going out with girls
because you'll meet all the other girls first.
When you meet girls before goingout with them to the club, it's
a whole different experience. The extra meeting them before is
huge. It really makes all the
difference. And it almost doesn't even
matter how long you could be there 10 minutes before, as long
as you're rolling with the crew,You're just, you're not just
like A tag add on the table later.
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It makes a whole difference. So if you want to see exactly
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venue. Before the girls.
Arrived how to move them from the pregame to the club without
drop off, even how to text and invite them out.
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It's one of the most tactical episodes I've ever done and if
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If you've ever walked into a loud nightclub and felt
completely lost, girls everywhere, tables packed,
promoters moving like sharks, this episode is going to change
the game for you. Most guys try to bring bar game
into the club. They show up late, they don't
know anyone. They try to force conversations
in a place where no one can hearthem.
It just doesn't work. But when you understand how club
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game actually works, how to use body language tables, social
proof and logistics, everything changes.
In this episode, I'm breaking down how to run high level club
game, how to get into the right venues, what to do once you're
at the table, how to pull from after parties, and how to create
magnetism without saying much atall.
If you want to learn how to operate in clubs like a logo
celebrity, even if you're brand new, this is the blueprint.
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So let's get into it. You're listening to the Inner
Confidence podcast. My name is Robbie Kramer, I've
been a coach since 2007 and I'vehelped countless men rapidly
achieve all of their social and dating goals.
My mission is simple, to help you position yourself to meet
stunning women, make awesome friends in route to becoming the
most confident and attractive version you can possibly be.
I'm absolutely obsessed with giving you the most leverage
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ways possible to win the game tostick around.
Let's go. There's a massive value in
friend zoning girls when you're trying to build your social
circle and do well in fast-pacedenvironments like nightclubs.
And I'm also gonna cover what happens at the pre party and
after party because of club night is always like a three
course meal. You got the pre party, the club
and then the after party. The value of having hot
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girlfriends is very underappreciated by most guys,
especially guys who are studyinggame and trying to get better
with girls. And there's such immense value
in having girlfriends, especially good looking
girlfriends, because it validates you to everyone else
wherever you go. And obviously if you have good
looking girls with you, it will cause other girls to start
looking your way. You can catch them trying to
make eye contact with you. So I'm going to shift from that
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and you know, we'll get back into why it's important to have
girls around. But I have a decent amount here
on club games, so I want to makesure I get through most of it
and then we can talk about girlfriends and building those
relationships again at the end. I think the big thing about
building your girlfriend networkis obviously being a chill, cool
guy and really avoid alienating yourself in some way by trying
to go too hard on some girl thatyou end up looking like a creep
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or a loser or pathetic or anything like that.
You want to make sure you stay neutral enough so that you're
not going to blacklist you. So that's really important.
And then I think the other big thing that I always do in terms
of building up my network, I always found out about fun stuff
going on. So girls would see a ton of
value in that they respected me.They wanted to hang out because
I was always looking for the funspot to go.
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Which is valuable for them because I can pass that info
along. They're better for it.
So I think those are the two pieces.
Moving on into club game. I broke it down from before you
even walk into the club to getting into the club, dealing
with security to when you're inside all the way to leaving
with girls. Creating an after.
Party and even what to do at theafter party.
If you're young and you have no money, befriending girls and
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promoters by adding value to them by bringing them girls is
one of the only good strategies to use.
If you have hot girls, rich guysare going to love you and
everyone wins. Having your own real estate, a
place you can bring girls back to, that you can easily get them
drinks super easily, you know I hate.
Going to clubs if I don't eitherhave full access to a table
where somebody genuinely likes me and wants me to be there,
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where I have bought my own tablethrough buying bottles.
I'm just not going to go if I don't have that, you know, And
the biggest mistakes guys make is thinking they can just go to
a club, buy a bottle and a tableand think that's enough.
I was at a club in LA called Warwick and there were four guys
at the table next to us. We had three guys and eight
girls. And it was just those four guys
with no girls. They are all dressed in suits.
And these dudes literally did nothing.
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And because we had tons of girls, they eventually started
getting closer and closer because they were next to our
table. They were kind of like spilling
over, you know, It was like a very small little, you know,
thing in between and they were obviously wanting to meet our
girls, but they were pretty scared.
They weren't really too scared to try I think.
But our table was overflowing and at one point, while we were
waiting for more booze, a coupleof girls ended up just drinking
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out of this guy's bottle. And he was like, cool with it.
He got nothing out of it. He made no attempt to try to
talk to the girls because if you're gonna drop the money, you
should be getting something for it.
And I even offered to pay for this bottle because our girls
were drinking it. And he was like, no, no, no.
But like, the reality was he just dropped money for no
reason. I think the quick and.
Dirty on that one is the bottle is your tool, right?
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So you're pulling girls over to get them drinks.
Any girl that's in your space, you know you're being nice,
friendly, playful, fun and offering them a drink.
It's different from buying a girl a drink at the bar, right?
You should offer girls drinks immediately because you have the
bottle, it's sitting on your table.
You know, it sort of brings theminto your space.
And if you bring a girl to your table and you don't offer them a
drink, it's pretty rude. But if you meet a girl at a bar
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and you don't offer a drink right away, that's normal unless
you've been talking to her for afew minutes and you order
yourself one without offering. It's just the social protocol of
the situation. If you invite a girl to a table,
pour her a drink. First thing to succeed in clubs,
a big part is about who else. You know, door guy game is super
important. You know, their job is to filter
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out who's coming in and who's not.
So they take it really seriously.
Sometimes they get in a little bit of a power.
Trip. And if they don't know you and
sense at all that you think you should be there, whether or not
they approve, then that's like abig turn off for them.
They're. Just going to sort of dig their
heels in and not want you to come in.
I experienced this a little bit in Paris a couple times.
We didn't have as many girls as normal and the door guy didn't
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know me that well because I was trying to walk in like I owned
the place. But unless you have a really
strong relationship with door guy, it's kind of a mix between
not being overly arrogant and not looking like a loser.
Someone who shouldn't be inside.It's a nice middle ground but of
friendly, open, chill, but also respectful.
You want to show that you respect their job and authority,
but when you see the opportunityyou know you want to try to get
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their attention. I think a big one is knowing the
door guys name. It definitely helps a lot.
They know a ton of people. Even if you found out their name
from someone else and they don'treally know you, you can say it
and they'll think that they met you at least once before, and
you could use that to your advantage at a time when it's
appropriate. You're not like yelling out
their name like you own the place, so you know they're close
to you. You know, they look over like,
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hey Eddie, hey Luke, hey, it's just me and two girls or me and
a girl, me and my buddy and two.Girls, whatever it is.
You could say you're joining a table, but I wouldn't bluff if
you don't have one because they're probably going to ask
for a name and you kind of need to know that or.
They're going to block you for bullshitting, so you just want
to be straight up. Either way, if you're nice and
coming correct, they're going togive you a better deal on
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tables, a better deal on bottles, a better deal all
around. So that's a little bit on the
door. So I always harp on this, always
try to have more girls and guys or at worse and even ratio.
Trying to bring. Anything more than one other guy
with you, unless you're spendingis kind of suicide.
You're just going to sit outside, it's not going to
happen. Dream another dream.
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And quality over quantity when it comes to girls is always a
rule to go by. It's way better to walk up with
two eights or even 2 sevens thanthree to five sixes.
And height is definitely a factor too.
And a lot of clubs, tall girls rule even if you're not
attracted to them or it's not your thing, even if you're
short, whatever it may be, make friends with these girls.
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Making friends with them will help you with social proof.
It'll help you meet other girls.It'll make it easier to go
places. It'll make people way more
attractive. Dio, it's very, very important
to have tall girlfriends of thisnature.
They just rule nightlife. All right, so let's say you got
by the door. You're either adding a bottle to
a table or they just let you in,whatever it may be, when it
comes to the entrance at any venue, you want to come in with
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a very strong posture, a big smile.
The more people you know the better.
And that's going to take time. You can sort of fake the funk in
the beginning. You know when you're going to
these venues, you want to constantly be meeting more
people and going back to the same places.
The bartender, the door guy, even the security.
The more people you know in the venue, the easier it is to
operate. These people also change roles
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and move ranks as time goes by. You know your buddies with the
security guy who was working by the bathroom and a few months
later now he's working the VIP section and he's not going to
give you a problem going into VIP because he remembers you
when you gave him the time of day.
OK, So remember that. You know, in the club you just
make as many friends as possibleand you can fake the funk.
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Like I said, you can wave and point.
You can do a little bullshit pretending like you know more
people than you do when you walkin.
Don't overdo it, obviously. Genuinely knowing people reign
supreme and as you start and keep going to these venues, you
can meet. More and more people it gets
easier. Obviously fashion is important
in every sense. A quick thing on club fashion.
The biggest thing that people dothat I think hurts them in the
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club is overdressing or dressingtoo professional.
Like you just came from work, donot wear a suit to the club.
Makes you look like a mark. The door guy won't let you in
without buying a bottle. The girls will think you're a
loser. Dress cool, casual, trendy,
slightly fashioned forward. Unless you know a ton of people,
then you can be a little bit more outrageous and edgy and
it's funny. It's actually the polar opposite
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of bar game of what I was sayingin terms of conversation that
reigned supreme. Conversation doesn't matter and
actually only hurts you when youtry to have a serious
conversation with a girl. Or even sometimes like a playful
conversation that involves too many words.
You know, the deep role play, that sort of stuff.
You need to hear everything for it to be funny.
And you're just going to end up hurting yourself because you
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want to be heard by the girl. You're going to look lame by
trying to make sure she hears you.
You're just going to come acrossas needy and it's hard for her
to hear you. It's just a painful interaction.
So by far the better way to go is to do non verbal body
language playful. Definitely do a ton of trying to
get girls to catch you staring at you in the club and as you
build up a network there, the more that stuff will just happen
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on its own. I try to catch eye contact and
then I try to be playful, makingfaces, you know, kind of rolling
your eyes, kind of being a bit of a human emoji just because it
plays with girls energy levels. It kind of gets them excited and
giggly and whatever. It doesn't require any
conversation. I like to be super animated and
that attracts people. I look like I'm having a good
time always and I walk through the club.
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The level of confidence the, andthat's really the way you
differentiate yourself is through your body language, the
confidence you exude, how you differentiate yourself with your
clothing. It's just like, what are you
going to do to separate you fromevery other average dude you
know wearing a similar outfit inthe club if you're looking like
you're having the best time at the party?
And you're making your own party, people automatically be
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attracted to you and they'll be super open to you and they'll be
super open to you introducing yourself to them because you
know you're you're bringing theminto your.
World And a big part of this is getting into the right mental
state and that happens before you walk into the club at the
pre party. I'm having a pre party every
time if I can, you know I'm going to be drinking, people are
going to be vibing to the music.So what are the chances of me
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showing up not in a good mood? Like, why the hell are you going
out in a bad mood? It's a recipe for disaster.
The goal is to go out and celebrate a good mood.
And if you're not quite there orsomething's off, that's going to
be a mental thing for you. But part of it is acting.
And that acting ability, that ability to communicate through
your body language and expression that is applicable to
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girls, applicable to your sociallife.
It's applicable to business. That's something that you need
to figure out on your own. But very simply answered, I'm
smiling, I'm animated, I'm laughing harder than normal.
I'm not over acting. I'm just allowing myself to have
have a good time and trying to stay out of my head.
If I'm not talking to someone, Imake sure I don't stay stuck in
that ad space and talk to whoever I can.
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I might even go to the bar and start cheering people, chat with
the bathroom attendant. Just anything to avoid being a
wallflower. That's a good place to mention
new. Brew.
The euphoric seltzer. This has kratom and Kava root.
I love the stuff. My wife drinks two of them
during every round of golf. Relaxes her.
No cannabis in here, no alcohol but makes you feel good so try
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some of this stuff it's amazing,tastes so good and no hangover.
So my buddy invented it because he used to drink too much booze
and now he's good on this. So good alternative if you're
trying to quit the boost. SO1 funny thing that I do that
is really childish. And if I met a decent amount of
people at the table, you know, if it's not my table, if it's
your table, for example, and hopefully you brought people to
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the table so you can kind of know everyone.
You can do like the tapping on the shoulder thing to girls.
Like you tap their opposite shoulder and they're going to
turn around, right? So you're kind of like tapping
them on this side. Like you're standing here and
you're tapping in the shoulder. I'm going to look this way.
And then, you know, you do that a couple times.
The first time they're like weirded out and then you do it
again and then they finally notice and you guys kind of have
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this inside joke together. That's a pretty low risk.
One that I've used a decent amount to meet girls at the
table. You know, more advanced stuff
would definitely be throwing ice, you know, throwing ice down
girls shirts even. Be careful with that.
You can only do that maybe once or twice a night.
And you know one thing that's almost always happening at the
table. Also, some of these more sort of
hybrid bars, anywhere where there's dancing, girls are going
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to be dancing, they're going to be shaking their ass, they're
going to be partying. And don't be like the other
usual scummy dudes and try to like freak with them.
Don't grind on them. Do not grind on the girls at the
table. What I'll do is I'll back my ass
into them in a really playful way and kind of like shake my
ass, you know, like back into them.
And they'll always kind of grab me around the waist and they'll
basically freak me from behind. And then if I'm getting a ton of
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love, I might turn around and dance with them a little bit,
right? And then I'll run away and I'll
do it to the girl like right next to them.
I'm not trying to hide anything,but I'm also not getting all.
Sleazy. And that's like my favorite
thing to do. Like if a girl's sitting down.
Looking like she's not having a good time.
Sometimes I'll go over and just give her a kind of like half ass
lamp lap dance just to get her into a better mood.
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It's all about energy levels. If you can bring a girl up and
be happy and having fun. I mean, that's why she's at the
club. That's why she wants to be
there, so she can have fun. So you're helping her get to
that place, then she's going to appreciate you either as a
friend, maybe she's going to bang you later, maybe in a week,
whatever it is, maybe in a month.
But even as a friend is super important.
If you're viewed as a fun guy, she's going to want to go out
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with you again. And then it makes your life that
much easier when you're trying to get into the next club or not
buy bottles or hang out a promoter table because now you
have girls with you. So really try and think about
the girls and help them have a good time.
Actually, this is something we talk about in the community all
the time. The guys inside the Discord are
constantly helping each other out.
And I literally just coached someone through this exact issue
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just a couple days ago. So this is our Discord
community. There's a whole system in place
to help you level up. From our belt.
System to our weekly Zoom calls.Plus, members get exclusive
access to things like the organized Girl Advice threads,
where you'll be guided with specific real time advice for
your specific girls and the ability to post recordings of
your approaches and other interactions, screenshots to get
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direct feedback on things like texting, fashion advice, you
name it. And that's just the tip of the
iceberg. And the best part?
It's a place where you get real time feedback, accountability,
and tons of support from other members all around the globe.
If you've been in a community before, I guarantee it's nothing
like this one. I only accept successful,
motivated guys who want to reachthe highest levels of personal
development and game. So if you're a total noob or a
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tire kicker, this is. Probably not going to be a good
fit for. You you'll discover all the
other benefits when you join so if.
If you're looking to take your game in the next level, this
could be the place for you. Funny story, I was at a table
with, well, I was at the table next to Mickey Rourke at this
tiny club in New York. The tables were kind of spilling
over and we started chatting with him and his handler and we
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had some girls and he had some girls.
We kind of merged tables. And one of the guys in the
group, you know, a friend of mine just sort of walked up.
He hadn't met Mickey. And he just kind of went down
and reached for the alcohol and I, like, grabbed his arm like,
yo, let me introduce you to Mickey first.
Who paid for this table? If it's someones table and you
don't make a point to introduce them like you have no business
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touching their alcohol until they say you can, right?
So don't just grab at it and obviously introduce your
friends. I'm always like, yo, is it cool
if I pour some champagne or is it cool if I pour some of this?
And sometimes, you know, we get to that over the top place where
it's like totally cool your table, my table, whatever.
But I think at the end of the day, they still do appreciate
that you're not just taking their booze.
So going back to introducing yourself to everyone at the
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table, expanding your social circle in that scene, I think
another big one is starting to introduce people.
You can totally fake the funk with this too.
Meet a few people and then as new people come along, you
introduce those people to the people you just met.
And I kind of did that shit all the time.
It kind of puts you at this connector level, which is higher
social value. And you really don't need to
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know that many people to start doing that.
And the more you do that, the more it starts building on
itself. What you want to help create is
so everyone at the table knows each other because that makes
the table more fun. And if you're helping connect
that and make that happen, then you know you're going to have
that much more power in that whole social dynamic if you can
introduce. Girls to girls.
And the guys, if you're an introducer, that makes you look
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so much more attractive in theireyes.
Like just from that alone, you're going to get a ton of
love from the girls, The table you're at, who you're with, how
much fun they're having, how hotthe girls are.
How good the table? Is all that stuff will add up to
how much other people are takingnotice of you in the club, how
much girls are noticing you. You know how easy it is to catch
eye contact. All of those things add up to
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making it easier to meet new girls.
So let's talk about dancing, because this is one of the most
misunderstood parts of the club game.
You don't need to be a great dancer.
In fact, trying to look slick orsuave usually backfires unless
you're actually trained. The goal here?
Is energy not technique? In a club, dancing is your
nonverbal game. It shows.
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How you demonstrate vibe, playfulness, and that you're the
kind of guy who knows how to have fun without needing
anything from her or anyone else.
If you're at your own table, your dancing energy sets a tone.
You don't need to dominate the floor, you know?
Just be in motion, be expressive, have fun, laugh,
pull your friends in. If a girl is dancing, you can
join her by matching her energy,not by grinding up behind her
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like every other creep as I mentioned.
Before use the. Move of backing into her
playfully, letting her kind of grab you.
It totally flips to dynamic at big tables.
Also sometimes throw a little shoulders to me or even just
bust out a ridiculous dance movelike, you know, the lawn mower
or like the staying alive crap. I'm just trying to be fun and
playful. And the key is to always look
like you're enjoying yourself. Remember, if you're on the dance
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floor, a lot of clubs don't evenhave dance floors.
It's going to be loud. Remember, you're not going to
connect through words, you're going to connect through eye
contact, touch, and proximity. Just like the club versus the
bar rule, if you can't talk, youbetter learn to speak with your
body. Bottom line, don't overthink
dancing. You're not auditioning for so
you think You Can Dance. You're creating a fun energy,
giving women a reason to want tobe around you.
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So moving on to getting numbers,let's say you're introducing
yourself to people, you're having fun.
You know, you're trading the party at the table.
Obviously you want to get numbers and you want to get as
many numbers as possible always.And the good thing about a club
and sort of, you know, trying tomake girlfriends as well as
girls you're trying to get out with, you can get a lot of
numbers in a club. You can certainly get a lot of
numbers in a bar. But you can get every girl's
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number at a table. When you're at a club and it's
really not weird to do that, youknow, you still have to tread
carefully with promoters sometimes if you're at one of
their tables because they might be territorial of the girls.
But if it's your table and you brought the girls over, you can
get numbers of all the girls andthen most of them won't even
notice you're doing it because there's so much like other shit
going on at the club. And in most cases, in most
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situations you know like in major markets like in LA those.
Chicks are so likely to give youthe number because if you just
got a table. They now want you to know they,
you know they, they want to knowthey can go out with you in the
future. Every chick in LA is trying to
go out and find those guys who are spending money if they're
party animals. I don't remember the last time I
asked a girl to give me their number.
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What I do every single time after the introduction, maybe
after a playful conversation, obviously non verbal stuff, sort
of bantering verbally, non verbally.
If there was a sort of vibe. Even if not, after a little bit
of that, I'll just hand them my phone with the number screen up.
If they're confused, I might sayyou know what to do, and if
they're not then you know they might say like no.
They shake their. Head then you can kind of make
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like a joke out of it and be like what?
Like you don't know you don't know what you're supposed to do
here. But I almost never get turned
down in that situation. And granted I have social proof
and other things going for me, but they know what to do.
They're. Programmed to just put the
number in the phone. It's so easy in clubs because
the music is loud, it's hard to talk, almost like an excuse for
you to do nothing except hand onthe phone.
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I think it's definitely a good way to go.
And the other thing that I thinkis super important, which I
forget sometimes because I have so much other stuff going on, is
I text them right there. Because if you wait until the
next day and they were at the club, they gave out their number
to four or five of their guys atnight and they're all texting
them the next day. If you got the number right then
and there, maybe 5 minutes later, whatever, text them
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something related to the playfulinteraction you had.
Something like Robbie, boring guy with the ugly shoes.
Ideally that way they'll remember you, they'll connect to
it, they'll laugh. And sometimes what I'll even do,
let's say their phone's away or they're not looking at it.
I'll make a reference to the phone, point at the phone so
that they do look at it, and then they reconnect me with the
text again. Or other times what I'll do is
when I text them, I'll show themmy phone and I text so they know
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that is coming from me. Then hopefully it gets a little
laugh and when they look at my phone or something like that,
you know, it just creates that recall, but it just makes it so
much more likely that they're going to respond and remember
who you are. So let's talk about pulling
girls back and after parties. I harp on this all the time.
It's all about logistics and making sure you're set up to
succeed the night of and if there is an after party or even
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bringing one girl back, a few girls back and people throw
around that after party term so much.
It doesn't have to be an actual party.
You can say it's an after party,even if it's just you a buddy
and two girls. It doesn't have to be anything
crazy to be an after party. It's.
Just an excuse to go back. And it's way better than saying,
hey, you want to go back and talk or, you know, you want to
go back to my place. Because both of those things
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make the girl feel like she's easier and being a slut and she
doesn't want to feel like that. So if you say you want to go
after party it just removes that.
And you can use other excuses too if you don't want to have
other people over here or whatever it's, you know, hey,
you want to come back, We're going to check out the view from
my balcony. It's super dope.
Or come smoke hookah or I have apool table.
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Use any excuse so they can sort of remove themselves from the
decision to go to your place. So the ride from the club to the
after party is super important. Make sure you orchestrate when
it's time to leave with your other wing men or to the Ubers
at the same time. Otherwise, girls will be like
out on the sidewalk and other guys will be grabbing at them
and you'll lose people in the process.
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And then when you get in the car, a .1 of the girls to be DJ
in the Uber. If you have a bunch of girls and
you're piling into an SUV, it's important to kind of herd.
Them, you know, you're kind of like a shepherd because girls
can go in all sorts of differentdirections outside of a club and
other guys will be grabbing, trying to get them to come home
with them. But what you can get away with
as far as like throwing girls into a car, granted there's
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other girls in there. You're not doing anything that's
against the law, right? You just kind of want to create
a party environment in the car and it's usually a 5 to 10
minute ride tops. The car is another good time to
do some of the conversation rapport stuff that you haven't
had any chance to do at all in the club.
So maybe a little bit of that while you're on the ride back.
It's a little lower energy. So when you're back to your
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place, whatever other after party spot you've set up, or if
it's a hotel or Airbnb or if you're staying somewhere else,
you've got to have it minimum. Booze, ice mixers, some sort of
glassware, cups and music at a minimum.
You got to have that. If you don't have that, it's
really tough to sustain anything.
And the girl. Are just going to get bored and
be like these guys don't know what they're doing and probably
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take off pretty soon, but at minimum you need the booze and
the music when you get back and you don't wait.
Forever to start it flowing. I think games are super
important. It's just kind of like lightens
up the mood, especially you justcame from a club.
There's so much stimulation at aclub.
If you go back to an after partyand it's like 5 or 6 of you and
there's just not much going on, it can get boring for the girls
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super quick. So playing games is an easy,
kind of contrived way to keep the energy going.
But games are an amazing way to transition from a club and feel
like it's more chill but still fun.
And it's also leading sexual because if you're in an after
party situation, you know, the whole point is to hopefully get
one-on-one hook up with a girl. So the ice game, which we've
talked about a million times in the group, I'll get into it real
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quick. Basically you set up a seating.
Situation where it goes guy, girl, guy, girl, guy, girl.
Hopefully you have too many girls and then you know, it's
you know. Girl girl, guy, girl, guy, girl,
girl, girl, right? And you announce, OK, everyone,
we're playing a game. Have everyone sit like
orchestrate where they're sitting.
Have a bottle of alcohol, some shot glasses and a bucket of ice
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in the middle of the table. And then say, all right, on the
count of three, every guy is going to pick up a piece of ice
or every second person is going to pick up a piece of ice and
you're going to pass it to the person on your left without
using your hands. Ready, set, go, and I'll
orchestrate it. And is totally lead it.
And if everyone kind of does it together, you know, like you
just kind of motor through that first awkward moment of like,
oh, wait, we're passing ice withour mouse here is this, are we
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really doing this? But if everyone else is doing
it, it'll just totally go with the flow.
I've been in situations with themost prudish girls who would
like never, ever, ever play the ice game.
But if everyone else does it, they just kind of follow along.
And the ice game is amazing because you're literally, you
know, you're kissing the girls and after about two minutes you
rotate spots. They say, OK, every guy gets up
and you rotate a spot. So now you're between the girl
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who is next to you and then a New Girl, and you can really
start to feel out which girls are into you.
If they're, you know, giving youlove, they're going to be
prolonging that passing of the ice, maybe some tongue action,
whatever. And that will usually lead to a
bunch of debauchery. And that game usually lasts, you
know, 10 to 15 minutes tops before it kind of breaks and
people start to pair up. Ice game is my favorite of all
the after party games just because it's so easy with the
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ice. Game you know the girls may be
up for it or they may not and all you need is 1 mother hen
who's like we're. Not doing this.
And then they're kind of all, you know, they have have to
agree. So they don't look, you know,
like sluts. So there certainly is a time and
place. Another way I'd like to
introduce the ice game is like, oh, have you guys ever heard of
the ice game? Super dope.
And hopefully you have another guy in the group who knows the
ice game. You guys can talk it up and and
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then you show them. I found the ice game while I was
travelling through Europe. My wing man was at home that
night. You know, he took the night off.
He'd been partying too hard for the previous two weeks straight.
So I went out solo and I was introduced to the ice game by a
group of Germans. I was like the 12th person
involved. They had 6 girls, five guys, and
they pulled me in for the ice game.
So I'll tell this funny story about how I was out with a
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buddy. We were just trying to scam on
chicks on this trip to Europe. And one night he stayed home
alone and end up making out withsix German girls.
And he was super pissed. And I'll tell the story.
I'll be like, and now we're going to play that game.
And remember, you can't be overly excited about playing and
about making out with chicks. It has to come off as like, oh,
we do this shit all the time. It's like not a big deal.
And if you look too over eager then it just comes off really
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sleazy. You know, it's already kind of
sleazy. I mean, it is sleazy at the end
of the day. So you have to mass a sleazy by
being nonchalant about it. And the other good thing about
the ice game is, I mean, it's kind of like a lash resort.
Like typically an after party, you know, you have some other
people who are like outside smoking, some people in another
room kind of hooking up and people kind of find each other
and they make it happen. Like girls understand dynamics
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of after parties and they're coming back to the after party.
It's either because they just want to party more with their
friends or they're gunning for acertain guy and they're down to
hook up. Ice game is best used in a
situation. Where the energy is kind of
dying or you play it right in the beginning.
You know, where everyone's together and he needs something
to kind of like break the pattern and turn it into a more
dynamic and fun experience. So, you know, I'm not playing
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the ice game every time. I'm I'm just kind of busting out
when I need it. So other games I can talk a
little bit about some of the other games that aren't as wild
and necessarily like, you know, hard to convince girls to play.
Kings is one of them. I would think most of the you
guys have probably heard of Kings or Kings cup.
Basically you have a full beer or full mixed drink or whatever
in the middle. You spread all the cards in a
deck around the cup. And you each.
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Pick one and has a number with some meaning to it, whether it's
you know 2 for you, 3 is me. You have to drink. 4 is, you
know whores, so the girls have to drink. 6 is Dicks.
So the guys have to drink. Everyone touches the floor.
If it's like a seven last persontouching the floor has to drink.
And in every number there's a rule associated with like the
loser, whoever you know doesn't do something fast enough has to
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drink. So that's one game.
Another game is Never Have I Ever, which leads to people
sharing a lot of funny stories, a lot of times sexual things,
party related things or things that they might be embarrassed
of. And basically how that game
works is you say something that you haven't done that you think
maybe other people in the group have done.
And if you have done it, you have to drink and put one finger
down. You start with five or ten and
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whoever runs out of fingers first loses or wins a life
depending on how you want to look at it.
But that's Never Have I Ever andTruth or Dare is another one I'm
sure everyone kind of knows. There's some other games that
aren't quite as hard to pull offas the ice game can be at times.
Then there's Spin the Bottle, Truth or Dare, which is a fun
one that I get more into. If you have one guy who's really
good at orchestrating that and can kind of feel out like what
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people need, what dares and whatpeople need, what truths, then
that can be a very advanced but awesome game.
My personal favorite, I guess maybe tied with the ice game.
And then I think the other big thing about after parties, it's
kind of like flowing nicely. People are already sort of
paired up. The after party is the perfect
time to go into rapport. You know, more legit
conversations. Where's at the club.
You didn't have any opportunity to do that.
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So this is your opportunity to flex those conversation skills
and really show off that part ofyour game.
You get to know each other a little bit, all that kind of
stuff. I guess the only other.
One which I'll run into sometimes because I'm not as
aggressive as a guy as some other friends, I don't think is
getting the girl back into your room because you've already
gotten to the after party. That's like the final step where
she has to resolve herself from hooking up.
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But the whole thought process ofa girl being like, OK, I'm going
to this room, something's going to happen.
That's always, you know, the sort of biggest 1 to get
through, at least in a party situation where you're trying to
isolate the girl, you know, backinto your bed or into your room.
And one of the good moves I useda lot is having a Rolodex of
YouTube videos that are funny, cool, whatever.
And be like, oh, I got to show you, you know, I got to show you
this video. Your laptop happens to be in
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your room or on your bed. You know, all of a sudden you're
watching a new funny YouTube video with this girl in your
bed. And then it's pretty easy from
there to, you know, close the door.
Doesn't really make a scene where other people you know see
what's going on. You're not like telegraphing or
asking. Her to your room.
One of my favorite videos, whichis old as fuck but always a hit,
is the Hot Crazy Matrix. The guy basically, you know,
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he's super deadpan, looks like aprofessor.
He's breaking down everything a man needs to do in terms of
dating women. And it's this crazy axis versus
the hot axis. And there's a hot and a crazy
line, you know, all this stuff. And he says it with, you know,
the most hilarious deadpan voice.
I think it, it's great. It's funny, it's true, it's true
as well. And girls kind of know that it's
true. And it makes them start to think
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like, oh, what category do I fall into?
And it almost makes them a little bit like, you know, puts
them in their place a little bit, I think, which always kind
of helps with the power dynamics.
It's also great because you can transition to that video.
You can start talking about social dynamics and you can lead
into like, Oh my God, I have to show you this video about blah,
blah, blah. Or, you know, you're talking
about, you know, different dynamics or your friends crazy.
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You know, she's like a Unicorn, but she's actually be on that
hot crazy scale. She'll be like, you know, have
you seen the hot crazy matrix? Like you don't know the hot
crazy matrix. You got to check out this video.
So a bit more on making girlfriends.
I think it goes, you know, way back to what I was saying
earlier when it comes to not doing anything that's going to
alienate yourself and kind of blacklist you from the girl
group. Be friendly, generous, but not
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overly generous that you just kind of look like a simp or a
pushover. It's kind of like finding that
balance, which can be hard, I know.
Remember, the friend zone isn't bad.
Use it to your advantage. The girl will introduce you to a
bunch of her friends, you know, you might bang a bunch of her
friends. Then two years later you might
end up banging her too, you know?
If not, it's not that bad to endup in the friend zone.
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It doesn't mean that. You're never going to have a
chance with her and it will definitely help you with the
friends. But either way, it's going to
help you to have tons of girlfriends.
It's going to help you go into the clubs, it's going to help
you at bars, sort of having thatsocial proof and meeting new
women in general. So I would just say to make a
point to make girlfriends, not just the girls that you can take
on dates and hook up, but like actually make a goal of making
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girlfriends or friends that are girls.
I think a lot of guys don't do that.
The way I've always done this isI've added value to the girls by
bringing them good times. So if there's a way that you can
do that, having the access, having the invites and sort of
being able to bring them into fun environments has been my
biggest value add and why I've been able to grow my network so
big and so quickly. Ideally, one or two days before
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is the best time to sort of invite girls out because they
haven't totally figured out whatthey're doing yet.
So you're going to get way more flakes if you invite girls out
too soon. So saying that they don't know
what they're doing yet, you know, they're going to say, oh,
you invited me, you invited me too early.
It just kind of looks bad. So remember to invite them one
or two days before if you're going to go party.
The other thing I really want toencourage you guys to do is
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organize pre parties whenever you're going out with girls
because you'll meet all the other girls first.
When you meet girls before goingout with them to the club, it's
a whole different experience. The extra meeting them before is
huge. It really makes all the
difference. And it almost doesn't even
matter how long you could be there 10 minutes before, as long
as you're rolling with the crew,You're just, you're not just
like A tag add on the table later.
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It makes a whole difference. So if you want to see exactly
how I plan and execute a night like this step by step, I
actually did a full breakdown ofa night I orchestrated out in
Austin, TX with six guys and a bunch of girls.
We covered everything from whichtable to buy, how to see the
venue. Before the girls.
Arrived how to move them from the pregame to the club without
drop off, even how to text and invite them out.
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It's one of the most tactical episodes I've ever done and if
you want to model a high level night out, go check it out.
I'll link it in the. Description or the show notes.
So whether you're working the floor at a dive bar, you know,
setting your own vibe at your own table, or building a crew
that runs nightlife like a unit,this stuff takes reps and it
takes awareness. Most guys go out hoping to get
lucky. High value men go out with
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strategy, intent, and options. So if you're tired of winging it
solo, or worse, spending nights chasing and getting nowhere,
this is your cue to stop playingthe game alone.
Join the IC community. Strand yourself with guys who
are leveling up, building socialcircles, learning from their
feedback and getting results week after week.
If that seems like you, the links below.
I'll see you inside. Or out there.
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Out of all the guys I know, the only ones who managed to
consistently win the game are those who built and invested in
a high status social circle. You can certainly approach women
and try your luck on the apps ifyou're a Chad, but those
strategies simply don't work consistently to attract top tier
women and awesome friends in your life.
But for most guys, the idea of building a social circle can
feel overwhelming, so they continue to hunt for women in
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their usual ways and end up settling for a girl they were
never really that excited about in the 1st place.
To avoid this fate, join our community and instantly plug
into a highly vetted social circle of cool dudes to network
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find wing men because the good ones don't stay in the game very
long. Many of our members.
Travel together, end up living together, build amazing circles
and even businesses together both in the West and in many of
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the best locations around the globe with gorgeous women and
low cost of living. I'm extremely careful who I let
into this community, but if you feel like you make a good fit,
you can apply to join the links in the description.
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