How To Date Models (Without the Billionaire Bankroll)

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Have you ever seen those posts on Instagram with a guy in a
yacht surrounded by a bunch of women in bikinis living the life
of a Playboy? I'm sure you have and probably
wondered how the hell did he pull that off?
He must be rich and famous or the girls must be escorts.
Believe it or not, none of that has to be true and building this
lifestyle is a lot easier than you might think.
In this episode, I'm going to give you the exact blueprint of

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how to do it and how it's way more affordable than popping
bottles, paying for matchmakers,or going on fancy dates that
land most guys in the friend zone.
I'm going to show you how an average Joe like me hold it off
and how I've helped a handful ofother average Joes pull it off
too. And if you stick around until
the end, you'll hear from a couple of them as well.
All right, let's do this. You're listening to the Inner
Confidence podcast. My name is Robbie Kramer, I've

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been a coach since 2007 and I'vehelped countless men rapidly
achieve all of their social and dating goals.
My mission is simple, to help you position yourself to meet
stunning women, make awesome friends in route to becoming the
most confident and attractive version you can possibly be.
I am obsessed with giving you the most leveraged ways possible
to win the game. So stick around, let's go.

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You know the first thing I want to talk about is probably that
importance of that ratio. A common mistake that I'd say
most guys make is they just invite too many guys on
something like this. Basically, whatever they do,
they invite too many guys. And what tends to happen is when
you invite men, two things usually double the amount of men
show up and about half of the amount of women show up, right?

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So if you're having a party and you invite 5 or 10 guys and 10
girls, you end up with 20 guys and five girls.
And it's a stereotypical sausagefest that we all know and
certainly don't love, right? So there's that, like the the
Cox multiplying phenomenon and what happens when you try to

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curate a ratio of three to one. It actually incentivizes people
to behave way better. When a when a woman shows up to
a party where the ratio is kind of against her favor, the first
thing she might think is like, oh wow, this is unique.
Most places I go, there's way more guys, right?

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Because guys are obviously more motivated to go out to meet
women than women are to meet men.
It immediately gives you as the host and the other guys in
attendance a bit of status and social proof.
It also incentivize, incentivizes the women to do
more of the networking and the actual like approaching and
social skills, which they're better at anyways, right?

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When you have a situation where it's, it's all men right now,
the guys are basically thirsty and they're lurking around and
they're talking to girls and very quickly it it turns off the
women. So it's kind of
counterintuitive, but it's better for the girls to have
this 3 to one ratio that I recommend.
And it actually makes women wantto sort of compete for men,

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which women love to do that. Women are very competitive.
They love to compete guys. We don't really like to compete
with each other when it comes todating because there's an
element of pride involved. There's an element of like,
what's it called? Honour, right?
You don't want to steal someone's girl.
You don't want to cock block. But women are a lot more, I

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guess I wouldn't say like consciously interested in
competing. But if you watch reality TV, if
you watch The Bachelor, these sorts of shows, it's, it's more
of a normal sort of role or mindset.
And they, they enjoy it more, right?
And they, it's, it's just betterfor everybody.
So anytime you're doing anything, it's, if you have a

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good ratio, right, especially onone of these trips, you're going
to win. If you don't have a good ratio,
you're going to lose. It's going to go South for so
many different reasons. And that's obviously the hardest
part. It's like if you don't have
women in your life in the 1st place, it's very difficult to
pull this off. So this isn't like a skill that
somebody with 0 abundance can really do or this isn't a, you

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know, you're not ready to pull something like this off, but
you'd be surprised. It's a lot easier to do it than
you think. There's people that can help you
curate that ratio. And I'll give you an example of
a let me share my screen on my phone here.
In terms of ratio, this is like this was at one of our Maldives
trips, you know, with on this trip, I think we had 20 girls, 6

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guys. So we were able to hit that
ratio. Let's talk next about recruiting
girls because that was kind of your question, Alex, right?
So what I always shoot for when you're recruiting girls is you
want to know at least 50% of thegirls ideally and you want 50%
of the girls to be newbies girls.
You don't know why this is important is if you don't have

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any girls that that are tied to you, right?
If it's all randoms, then you don't really get that amazing
family type feel as easily, right?
And that's kind of what you're going for.
You want the feeling should be summer camp.
Have any of you guys been to summer camp before or you
understand how that feels? It feels like a little family
and that's what tends to happen by the end of the trip or or

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ideally even more in the beginning.
And the girls who are new look to the girls who know the guys
in terms of how to behave. And obviously the the more girls
know you, the more status you have with those, then they feel
safe joining too, right? So you can invite your personal
friends, you can invite photographers, you can invite

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promoters to bring girls, you can collaborate with other guys
who have girls like some of you guys are doing here in the
group. And remember, you never want to
like invite people and pay them to come.
That just kind of kills the vibe.
The most successful way to do these are in the form of photo
shoots, which I'll get into in asecond.
But when you do a photo shoot ina, in a remote location, then

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obviously the exchange of value is that, you know, models,
whether that's female or male will come to get that content
and to be shot and in exchange, right?
Like they're, they're coming on the trip, but they're working
because they're being shot. And that way the guys who aren't
being shot are providing the funds to do the trip.

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Let's talk about the length. So ideally you want to shoot for
3/5 or seven days, right? So a long weekend or a really
long weekend or entire week, I'dsay the mistakes that guys make
is it's like partying too hard and every night becomes like a
burnout. You have to remember that every
other day is going to be a fun, crazy party and then like a lull

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period. So if you do a three night trip,
for example, the first night everyone's going to show up and
they're probably going to be excited and you know you'll get
to the villa or you'll get to the boat, wherever you are.
And you know, people will start drinking and mingling and having
fun and depending on how late they stay up and party, right,
the next day won't be as crazy. If you get to the villa really

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late, like what happened, I think with Yonic's trip, right,
then usually people will just crash.
And then that next night that will be a much bigger party and
that'll be more interesting. And then the night after that,
likely it will be more dead because everyone's exhausted,
right? And a lot of that plant is a
factor of the activities you do during the day in terms of like

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how motivated the girls are to stay up and have fun and party
that night. So that plays into it.
But always remember the last night is always like the most
magical night because everyone'sleaving the next day.
Everyone has FOMO that they're not going to have as much fun or
maybe they won't get a chance tolike hook up.
So the very last night is alwaysa big night no matter what.

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So if it's a two night trip, then you'll probably have two
big nights. If it's a three night trip,
you'll have one-on-one off and the last night be big.
Always plan for that and make sure that on that last day you
don't like wear people out. So no one wants to party that
last night. Let's talk about picking the
right guys. So one thing obviously that you
want to guard against is lettingthe ratio slip because you want

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more guys to split the cost and it's not worth it.
If you're too worried about budgets, then you know, maybe
this isn't a great thing to do. You don't want to invite guys
who are like total show offs or man of the year type who are
going to like get super handy orbraggy or annoying like the guys
have to have game. But the good thing about this is

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when you have the ratio in your favor, it sort of solves for
guys having good game. Like you can do a lot less and
still win, right? When you're in an environment
where the ratio is in your favor, you can just chill for
the most part and the girls are going to be incentivized to
interact with you way more. And that kind of alleviates the

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pressure and the tension from feeling like, Oh, I got to go
and spit game and talk to these girls.
They'll come and talk to you. So having the right guys like
that aren't thirsty, that aren'tdesperate is key because 11 bad
apple can ruin the entire trip and and they will ruin the
entire trip, right. So that's super important.
I would never bring a guy that'snot vetted on a trip, even if he

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has the money. It would just be a bad look.
So the other thing it's it's super important to like have a
non territorial mindset and instead have a sharing is caring
sort of vibe. You know, jealousy,
possessiveness, guys calling dibs on girls or guys trying to
wife up girls on a trip like this will completely ruin the

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vibe. It'll set the tone that like
it's way too serious and it'll make the girls way less
interested in having fun and, and being cool.
So before all of my trips, I would have like a call with all
the guys and I'd be like, listen, you know, maybe you're
going to meet your future wife on this trip and everyone's sort
of motivated to, to do that sortof thing.

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But if we all try to get each other, you know, like to hook
up, then it's going to be way more fun for everybody.
So you're encouraging each other, you're helping each other
out, right? Like you're not, you're not
trying to call dibs on a girl or, or out compete with her for

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another guy. So that's the ideal mindset.
And it's super important to understand that like dominance
hierarchies are always inherent in these sorts of things.
So like, for example, the trip that, you know, Yannick and
Charles and and David just did, what I loved about that was it

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was a very sort of equal dominance hierarchy with the
exception of maybe because you know, 2 of you guys were
bringing girls and the other andone guy wasn't there was a
little bit of a mismatch there. But the one guy who didn't bring
the girls was more of like a party MC and a host.
And that's a perfect role for a guy who doesn't know as many

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girls to start off with, right? Like whatever I, whenever I
organize a trip, I would never let guys come even if they
wanted to pay who I knew would have absolutely no chance with
any of the girls, right. Like if you're running any sort
of whether it's a sports game oranything, you want people of
equal stature and status there. Because if if it's lopsided, it

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ruins it for everybody, right. So like, I don't want to bring
some guy who's like, you know, if I brought Elon Musk on the
trip, that would be a a big draw.
Not that he would come on a trip, but I invited moderator.
Maybe he would. But if that guy came, then all
the attention would be on him, right?
Like we did photo shoots and we did like, we made like music

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videos sometimes and we'd bring a a celebrity on some of these
trips. And of course, all the girls
just wanted a celebrity. And sure, some of the other guys
would get, you know, some of the, the fallout from that.
But it was a very unbalanced sort of hierarchy.
And women will always, you know,go for the guy on the top and it
just it, it doesn't make it fun or interesting.

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So there's a lot you can do to play with different levers to
make sure all the guys are kind of on equal playing field.
So one thing I would do, if I knew a guy was coming who was
potentially lower status than meor some of the other guys
because he didn't know the girlsor he just wasn't quite as fun
or cool, I would give him the best bedroom and I would hype

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him up to the girls. And I would put him in a
position where he had status versus just not doing anything
about it, if that makes sense. Right.
So I, I think about all these things beforehand.
And then that way you get the best sort of results.
And the, the way I realized this, it was very unfortunate.
My buddies were running a trip in Paris with a bunch of models

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and I showed up a couple days late.
And because of that, I didn't have a bedroom.
So I was basically sleeping on couches and I was not getting
any interest or love from any ofthe girls.
And I came to find out like towards the end of the trip that
there was like a rumor going around that I was broke because
I couldn't afford a bedroom. And I was paying the same
fucking price that those guys were paying.

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It had nothing to do with whether I could afford it or
not. It was just I got there late and
they they didn't give me one. They had like the girls took
over all the bedrooms. So, you know, perfect example of
why their decision completely ruined all of my chances and how
if you don't solve for that sortof thing, you know, then you're
in a situation where it's like, I just look like a loser.
So, you know, learn that one thehard way.

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That sucked. I was thinking like, why am I
having such a hard time? And it's very simple, like the
girls thought I was broke. And if that's the case, you're
you're going to look like an idiot.
The other thing you can do, which I started doing towards
the end when, when I was runningthese trips, like I got to the
point where I knew all of the girls pretty much were coming.

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Obviously there were some new ones, but my role as the the the
planner of the trip, I had so much more status than anyone
else. Even if I brought guys who are
super cool, good looking, whatever, it didn't matter to
the point where I I started feeling guilty about hooking up
with more of the girls. So to make it even and fun, I

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brought like my girlfriend alongon some of these trips and I
intentionally didn't hook up with anyone.
I took myself off the market andthat's when I was more of trying
to do this as a not not a real business, but I was seeing if I
could monetize it. You know, the guys appreciated
that because it allowed them to feel like they had a way better
shot, right? Because and that's always going

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to be the case. And that's why it's I don't
recommend that you guys pay to go on other people's trips
because this is basically alwayswhat happens.
The guys who are offering you the chance to come in exchange
for cash, they are in a positionof so much more status.
It's almost impossible to compete with them, especially if
they're single and the and like they're, they're on the table,

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they're on the market. The girls will always choose
them over you because there's that comfort and familiarity.
So the only time I would consider going on someone else's
trip is if that guy is going with his girlfriend and they are
monogamous for that trip. Otherwise just you're, you're
gonna get cock blocked. It's, it's guaranteed.

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That's I'd say one of the key vital things.
And, and the next thing that's incredibly key and vital is like
they say in the restaurant industry, location, location,
location. Every guy always, you know,
comes to me when he hasn't been on a trip and he'll say, let's
do a trip in Mykonos. So let's do a trip in Ibiza,
right, 'cause in his mind he's, he's seen other, you know, dudes

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in these markets with like, you know, a bunch of hot girls.
And he's thinking like, oh, I want to do that.
I want to have that experience of like being the man with all
these hot girls in this, you know, major location.
But when you do that, everyone'sspending skyrockets.
Restaurants are super expensive,villas are like impossible to

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get and they cost 10X more. You're competing with locals
and, and VIPs and it's the absolute biggest mistake you can
make. I know, Alex, you were going to
run a trip in Tulum and I was like, don't do that.
Tulum is the worst place ever. You know, you're paying the
maximum to, to benefit the local, the local guys in that

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scene. Like there's surf instructors
there, there's, there's club owners, there's hotel owners,
right? And you're just basically
importing women to those guys, right?
So what happens when you actually choose a remote or
boring location is you minimize distractions, you keep costs
extremely low and the focus becomes on your group and your

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party and what you guys are going to do.
So the best sort of places to tohost these things, I'll show you
guys some photos is actually like the most remote sort of
places you can find. So this is the yacht that we
rented for the Maldives. Let's show you guys a better
picture or video of it, right? So surprisingly not that

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expensive. You'd be, you'd be shocked.
It came out to about 40,000 for the week when I was able to
negotiate down the cost, right? That's a, and that comes with
all the food, all the activities.
You see that little boat that follows it?
That's a, a scuba boat. So, you know, that's rigged with
like scuba diving equipment. There's another boat that it's

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like a, it's more of like a speed boat.
It comes with two jet skis. Here's a photo of the, you know,
the jet skis and the girls on it.
Here's a, a video from the top of the boat.
And we would stay on like basically we'd stay on the
yacht. And there were islands all
around, you know, in the Maldives off the Maldives coast
there. I mean, the Maldives is just a
bunch of islands, basically, andthere was no competition, right?

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There's no one else there. Here's another picture of the
yacht. So if you do the math, you're
gonna spend way more than 40,000, I think, Alex, you were
telling me when you guys just did Costa Rica, like the total
cost was like 75 K or something,right?
For five days, Our total cost onthis trip, this was 8 days, and
our total cost was under 60 grand, including flights and

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everything. This is a way better, way more
luxe experience and it's cheaper.
And it's, it's shocking that that's the case.
We did another trip where instead of renting the larger
yachts, we rented these catamarans like this.
We had three of these and those were four bedrooms, like one
bedroom on each tip of the cat. And then we had three people per

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bedroom. So we had 12 people per boat,
right? And we had about 30, you know, I
think we had 22 girls and like 8guys on this trip.
And the problem with this, whichmade it way less cool, is that
everyone's kind of divided on different boats, right?
So it's like when it comes time to like have a group dinner, you

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can't really do it if you're outof sea, right?
You got to go back to port or you got to find a restaurant.
There's no like central locationto really have a good time and
to party. Here's another photo of the, of
these catamarans. And this was actually the same
price. It was the same price to rent
these three catamarans as it wasto rent the larger yacht.

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Here's another villa we rented in Cyprus.
You can see how remote this is, right?
That it's just like hillsides around it.
There's nothing there. And this was a 10 bedroom villa,
big pool. And there was actually another
villa just below it. We were able to rent both on the
same property. So remember, like in terms of
budgeting and expenses, most of the time men share the costs.

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Girls attend for free in exchange for photo shoots and
content. Remote areas mean way fewer
surprises. You're not going to get like $20
drinks at a club. There's no clubs to go to.
There's no shopping malls to go to.
There's no movie theatres, right?
There's less options for a mutiny sort of situation where
the girls like know a guy in town and they decide to leave

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your trip and go all and hang out with that guy.
Like, you'd be shocked what can happen if you don't sort of
solve for that. What I like to do is I put all.
My costs into a spreadsheet, I share that with everybody and I
typically tell guys I'm like, listen, I'm organizing the
thing, so I'm going to charge 20% above costs and that's going
to go towards like my managementand me doing all the work to

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arrange all this shit. Also, you have to understand
that for me to be able to inviteall of these girls, right?
Like there are a lot of costs associated with that network,
right? The the cost to upkeep a social
circle. You know, you're hosting parties
at home, you're you're posting things, you're hosting dinners
and all of that has a cost to it, right?

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So when a guy would say something like, oh, why am I
paying more for your trip? I'll be like, well, fine, I'll
go on your trip, except you don't have a trip because you
don't know these girls and you don't have any connections.
So that's what like you are paying for my cost to sort of
upkeep this and for all the headaches that go into it.
And you know, let me ask you, doyou think 20% is too much to

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charge? Would any of you guys have an
issue with with a 20% over cost situation?
I doubt it, right for that sort of experience.
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So this was the the castle we chose.

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This is like an hour outside of Rome.
I think it was in Perugia. Like there's nothing there.
It's a freaking castle in the middle of nowhere.
It's a former Popes castle, right?
But how cool is that? Like when, you know, before we
were going on the trip, I was like, who wants to go party in a
castle where the Pope used to live?
Like how fucking awesome. And this place wasn't expensive.

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It was like 600 bucks a night, right?
And it was, I think, I think it was 12 bedrooms.
Just a freaking monstrous place,right?
So half the castle, basically what you can see here, basically
everything to the left of this tree was the rentable castle and

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everything to the right, which is almost the same exact size
was closed, was completely closed.
It was like where they were housing like artifacts and and
other, you know, valuables. And at one point some of the
girls, I think they took some some mushrooms and they jumped
over these turrets on the top and they went into the other

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side of the castle, which triggered a bunch of alarms.
And then the cops showed up and effectively trespassing.
And they're like, oh, we didn't do it.
We didn't do it like we have thefootage.
So they kicked us out, unfortunately, the last night.
So, yeah, always be careful of, of girls doing crazy shit.
But you know, this, this was an awesome place.

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And then we because we flew in and out of Rome the last day,
we, you know, we cruised around Rome.
I got this fun photo with me in the middle of a bunch of chicks
on the Spanish Steps here. But you can still have like that
in the city experience because wherever you fly into there's
going to be you know, typically it's it's a major airport, which
is you know, how's the major city.

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We did a trip in Greece and of course we all flew into Athens
and then we drove it was a 5 hour drive from Athens to lift
Kata, which is a very remote place where we rented a villa,
little fishing town, no competition, no nothing.
Here's a cool little drone videowe got of the this is like a
zoom out so you can see the fullthing of the castle, a Big Lake

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there. So there's just nothing around,
right? There's no competition.
There's no worry about the girlsgoing to do something else.
So also provides for awesome content.
Another part that's super important is to make sure you
take deposits from guys. If you don't do that, you know

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shit will happen last minute. And if you don't, if if people
aren't committed right, then you're in trouble.
More guys sharing the cost in terms of transportation and car
rentals. It's important to like always
have the biggest vans you could possibly have and then one cool
car that you can do kind of photo shoots in.

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So, for example, this was the car that we had on the Cypress
trip. You know, it was one like a
Mercedes convertible, right? We're having fun taking photos
on the car. And the other stuff we rented

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were more just like, oh, there she is.
She's stripping there. In this one.
You can see the cars behind us. These were kind of the other
cars, just, you know, vans, whatever.
Nothing, nothing impressive, butbetter to rent the biggest cars
possible and that way everyone can kind of cruise together.

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Don't let the girls drive. We had one girl crash an ATV and
almost kill herself. She flipped over the handlebars,
somehow missed a rock. Thank God she was wearing a
helmet. She she would have been dead for
sure. She was going like 35 mph top
speed. Another car came down the
opposite side of the road and she just got spooked and as soon

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as that car passed, she just turned the wheel and went
straight into a hill. Luckily she went into that hill
and not down the other side of the Cliff and she would have
died for sure. But, you know, just don't, don't
make sure you have insurance. Don't let the girls drive, no
matter how much they say we're agreat driver.
I mean, obviously if you know the girl and you trust her, but
if somebody gets hurt or something bad happens like that,

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the entire trip is ruined. So same thing goes with boats.
Having the right number of vehicles and you know, the
proper logistics is, is huge because if people get stranded,
they're fucked. So we did another trip.
This was we, we basically brought three of these RV's and
we kind of like circled the wagons out in Sedona, AZ, right?

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Talk about desolate and remote. We're literally like boondock
camping in the middle of nowhere, right?
I mean, we're, we're close to Sedona, of course.
So we're like, hey, we're going to do a trip in Sedona.
We're renting these cool RV's. You know, we're setting bring up
little camps out here and then this was great.
It was a lot of fun. It was like four of us guys, I
think like 8 or 9 girls. You know, we had a Jeep and we

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were taking the Jeep out and doing photos in the Jeep.
So that's another sort of fun trip.
It doesn't have to be like an exotic yacht or place in terms
of like group chat and pre trip anticipation.
This is really important. So I would always start a
WhatsApp chat, you know, one week ahead of the trip and I
would put all the crucial info in there like when to meet up,

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the house rules, you know, information about where we're
going to be. I'd encourage a bunch of playful
banter. I had to build hype.
I would make sure to not let thechat like go off topic or get
negative and I wouldn't allow for people to start like, you
know, saying like, oh, I, I wantthis room or I want that room.

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I, I would, I would try to keep it on the rails, if that makes
sense. But that builds a lot of
excitement and a lot of anticipation.
And it, you know, what's great about WhatsApp is everyone
typically has a profile photo and you can, you can drop files
in WhatsApp, you can link to I GS and their IG can be good, but
it's not the the IG group chat function isn't nearly as robust

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as something like WhatsApp. Telegram's another example, but
not a lot of people or on Telegram.
So remember trying to, to herd abunch of cute girls.
It's like herding cats. Women will miss their flights.
They will do the things that you, you would just never expect

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them to do. Like, doesn't matter if it's
like $1000 flight, you know, from LA to the Maldives, they'll
figure out a way to miss it or they won't have their passport
or they'll, they'll do something.
So when it comes to like gettingto and from airports, always
meet up at your spot or a central location close to where
everyone lives and then take a big shuttle together to the

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airport. You know, get there three hours
ahead of time. If you need to tell people that
the flights at an earlier time than it really is, you know, do
so there will be delays. I even missed one of the flights
myself, which was embarrassing, right?
I organized the trip to the Maldives and I fucking missed
the flight with two girls because we had this ridiculous
Uber driver who didn't fill up his car with gas and there was

(30:08):
like so much traffic. We missed the damn flight and
you know it, it kind of, you know, luckily it wasn't that big
of a deal for everyone else, like they still had fun, but we
we missed a day. And so that was that was just
dumb. So, you know, double confirm
passports, double confirm everything and don't give girls
the opportunity to do something ridiculous.

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I know that just happened to you, Yannick, with the girls
missing the flight and that ended up forcing you guys to
arrive late and you kind of missed the party on the first
night. So it's even more important if
it's a shorter trip. So the next thing that's really
important, this could make or break a trip is the room
assignments and privacy. You know, randomly assigning
rooms or not assigning any roomswill just lead to chaos.

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Basically the girls like the, the more sort of alpha girls
will just run in the house 1st and just take the room and
they'll be like, no, this is forme and my girl.
No one else can stay here. And then you're like, wait, but
this girl doesn't have a room. We need to put her with them.
And they might not have a good vibe, right?
That could really fuck things up.
So I, I do a lot of thinking ahead of time about room
assignments and I, and I have those assignments in my mind

(31:16):
ahead of time and I and I don't allow the girls to just run
rampant and pick all the rooms. I asked returning girls like who
they're cool to room with. I'm going to rather have the
returning girls room with guys because those girls are, are
already like on my team. So it's all private room
assignments. And I just kind of say like
you're in this room, you're in this room here and there.

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And I'm and I'm talking, you know, that that's all a very
much part of the plan number. Girls can triple up typically
better for guys to have their own room or to just, you know,
crash wherever on the couch. Like I kind of went over this
before, but obviously the guy with the lowest status gets the
best room. That's the way where he could

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even out the playing field. So don't be a, you know, a
tyrant and and take all the goodstuff.
If you're the you know, if you're planning, don't take the
master bedroom like that's you know, you could, but don't do
it. It's it's going to just leave a
salty taste in everyone's mouth in terms of crafting the vibe

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and like the etiquette, you know, really important to like
minimize drama, create a a vibe of of you know, no argument,
like when no bad vibes, you know, you're aiming for fun,
sexy, but still safe. Remind guys not to ask,
desperate not to like one-on-onethe girls too much and and and

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try to overinvest. When conflicts come up, just
take those people aside and resolve them.
Like, you know, out of the the main sphere, conflicts will come
up. It's normal.
It's it's happens on every trip.There will be some conflict of
some sort and it's just not a big deal.
But remember, like those, that'sa great chance to sort of like
like win the shit test, right? And when when girls see that you

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solve it properly, you're just going to look even better.
You know, encourage like lots ofgroup activities, playing
drinking games, playing like icebreaker games.
When when people meet up and andtell guys that are that are
coming on the trip, like, listen, there's no guarantees
here. This isn't like you're going to
come and you're going to hook up.
Like we're going to create an environment where people want to
do that, just like at summer camp.

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But you know, this isn't some like hooker trip, you know, a
lot of people get the wrong impression because they see
those sorts of things like advertising Columbia, like the
sex Island, that sort of shit. That's not this at all.
That's that's like a whole illegal fucking thing.
This this is like a bunch of cool people having fun.
No expectations, you know, and girls will just sort of feel out

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from the returning girls like what the vibe is and how sort of
sexy and fun it is. So that's that's the vibe.
And remember, you're, if you're the planner, you know most of
the people. It's your job to encourage
people to to mingle and to have fun.
Spin the bottle is always like an easy game you can play on one
of the nights. I always try to encourage the

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girls to get it going. And it doesn't have to be
kissing people. It can just be literally like
kiss someone on the cheek or give them a hug, right?
It can be really PG. And as time goes on and people
get more drunk, it becomes more and more X-rated typically.
And then, you know, people starthaving more fun.
You know, there's Jenga with, you know, writing on the blocks.
There's two truths and a lie. There's all sorts of fun games

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you can play. You can bring, you know, card
games and, and other things. But you, you want to encourage
people hanging out in in a groupenvironment and the most amount
of social time is possible. Let's see common mistakes.
Like I said, the the big three are failing with the ratio,
failing with the location and providing a, a place where you

(34:53):
can just have a mutiny or have competition from locals or where
you're going to spend more money.
If you solve for location ratio,most of the other problems kind
of take care of itself. You know, I, I think the coolest
part of what we have going on inthe group here is like so many
of you guys collaborating on these trips and doing this stuff
together and posting in the Discord for help.

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I'm, I'm like that. That's what I think is my, my
biggest win so far of 2025 is like, you know, the fact that
like the three of you guys, Yannick, like don't even live in
the same city. And you guys all put a trip
together and all collaborated and, and flew into a common spot
and got awesome content and had a lot of fun and did like the
first one of these because you've done a lot of house

(35:38):
parties on your own and you kindof followed the formula like a
gangster. And I love to see you guys doing
this. Like same with you, Alex.
You, you know, you flew to Tenerife with, with Twan and you
guys did this and now you're doing the, the bigger things and
you learn so much from each attempt.
You're gonna fuck this stuff up,of course, right?
But you're gonna understand the lessons and really be able to

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build on it. And I think we've curated a
group of guys that like, you know, they understand these
principles and they have the right vibe.
And that's the hardest thing to do.
It's finding other guys with theright vibe, you know, because
the girls will, will match your vibe.
That's the hardest thing. It's like planning it, having
the the the core group of guys 'cause you can't do it alone, of

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course, right? And having, having one guy's is
OK, but you can really with one guy, it's really hard to do a
trip right. You could do like a house party
or that sort of thing and you can bring other people and the
the vibe isn't as important. If one guy's kind of like
weirdo, not that big of a deal. But if you have a weirdo on a
trip, forget it. The whole thing is going to be
spoiled. So I love that you guys have

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been, you know, working on the stuff and you know, it's again,
you don't have to be rich to do any of this stuff, right?
Like you don't it's, it's way easier to pull off and cheaper
to pull off than most vacations guys take, right?
Like if you take a vacation and you go to Paris or you go to
London and you're shelling out, you know, 4 or 500 bucks for a
hotel room and you're going to nightclubs, you're spending more

(37:02):
money than if you were doing something like this.
So it's it's the absolute best way to to run your social life
in the party. So in terms of debriefing, what
I would do each night of the event or each the the following
morning, we would do like a little powwow between me and the
other guys. We'd meet in one of the rooms

(37:23):
and we would just discuss what happened the day before, all the
social dynamics problems to lookout for.
We debriefed the previous day and that was super helpful.
And the girls would a lot of time be like, what are they
talking about? Like, I wonder if they're going
to like throw anybody out or like, you know, it, it made them
again on their best behaviour because they knew that we were
working as a team to, to have the best experience possible.

(37:45):
You know, because girls can be maniacal and, and conniving and
they can, you know, they could attempt to like have more power
or do things that like benefit them, particularly versus the
whole group vibe. So you got to watch out for
that. And then, yeah, in terms of of
marketing and, and no matter even if the trip sucks, it's a

(38:07):
total flop. As long as you get a few photos
and videos, it can be, you know,and a complete game changer for
future trips, right. And the same goes for house
parties too. Even if you have like a lame
house party and only one or two girls show up, you can still get
awesome shots from a photo boothif if you set that up and use
that as marketing for future things.

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What tends to happen is people will dump all their photos after
into that WhatsApp chat. A lot of people.
And this happened with a bunch of the girls that would come in
our trips as they would make like video montages and they
would, they would post those in the group.
So you obviously you're not going to be the only one
creating content, but you shouldalways have that in the back of

(38:53):
your mind. What's just as important as
having fun on this trip is documenting it because the
documenting it will will create the the vibe in the future.
So leaning into all the all the ways you can edit that content
and make that look cool and awesome will build your
Instagram. It'll just build future status.

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And when you come back home, youknow, like the connection you
have with those girls is so muchstronger, right?
And that could lead to all the local events that then create
more leads for the following trip.
And when I did that first trip in the Maldives, after a week, I
literally had 20 very close girlfriends, right?

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Like obviously some, most were platonic, of course, some more
than platonic in, in Ukraine. And that's why I moved to
Ukraine. I instantly plugged into a way
better social circle than I had anywhere in the US, right,
'cause I, you know, in each city, right?
I have No 10, you know, 10 hot chicks and, and, but like, you

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bond with people so fast on a trip.
And also Ukraine was a was an amazing place in terms of like
low cost of living and like, I had so much fun on that trip.
It it was really just like a launchpad to moving there.
So one of these things could radically change at the course
of your life and your social circle.
It's the the web is just ever expanding and endless.

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I met so many cool people through hosting these trips,
People that like were way like out of my league sort of status
wise. On one of the trips, the founder
of Telegram came for a brief period of time, right?
Yeah. Fucking Pavel.
He was there. Yep.
That's How I Met Hadaway, who's a close friend of mine.

(40:44):
Right. He's a, the guy who sings what
is love baby? Don't hurt me, don't hurt me.
Met a bunch of Russian rappers, a bunch of Ukrainian people.
Like, you know, I met ace of base through Hadaway, Mr.
President through him just like a, a really amazing, like it.

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It is the best networking, right?
Because when you meet a guy in afun party environment, you're
not talking about like work or business or anything like that.
Like you really get to know themand that provides the
relationship to them, you know, expand upon us.
Right, that, so that wait, let me cuz I'm looking at all these
fancy boats, right? Like it does seem as if they
don't have a big capacity for overnight stays, right?

(41:27):
How many people could how many people could you sleep on your
your yacht? So this yacht had 9 staterooms,
right? So it's got one, one giant room
that's like the master bedroom. And I would, I would always give
that to obviously the guy who, who, you know, spent the most
would get that room. But you could have, I, I would

(41:49):
have him in there and usually a few girls would also stay in
that room, right. And then you have 9 rooms total.
So we did, we would have six guys and usually 18 girls on
this trip. And that kept the three to one
ratio. There were there was a master
bedroom and then there were two like top suites and then there

(42:09):
were six suites in the hall. Plus, this had a crew of eight,
eight to 10. You know, Maldivian guys who
would work. You said you can, you can suite
24 guests or something, right? That's that's, yeah.
Three people per room, right? So it's 20 seven 9 * 3, right?
And then that that's not including the crew.
So the crew has their own, you know, cabins in the front of the

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ship. So, you know, no one's expecting
like their own room or anything like that.
It's it's just kind of like a free for all.
So obviously like you're not going to have guys share rooms
and you tell the girls like you guys can all, you know, share
these rooms. You can sleep wherever you want.
You don't have to share a room with the guys.
Everyone's going to be respectful.
No one's going to be like touchyor gross, right?

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That that's all part of the culture before the trip happens,
right? And that's why you want the
returning girls, right? So that way they're like, oh, I
wanna stay with him or I wanna stay with him, blah, blah, blah.
And then the new girls are like,OK, cool.
It's normal that all the guys are sharing rooms with the
girls. And that's, that's kind of the
culture versus if you have only new girls and you try to pull
that off, they're gonna be like,that's weird.
I don't wanna share a room with a guy.
I want my own room, right? And they're gonna act more

(43:15):
entitled and and you'll get those sorts of problems.
I think, I think it's fine. I, I think I don't, I don't.
I have no issue with the 20%. What I do have an issue with
the, and this is what the Costa Rica trip had was that I mean,
they were generally just trying to get fancier and fancier and
like it was like, what? Why?

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Like what? What's the value of something
being extra fancy versus it not like I don't there's like
marginally, you know what? I mean, yeah, well, I think
Costa Rica was a bad decision, you know, and it was a a better
choice than Tulum. But Costa Rica, especially Santa
Teresa, is an incredibly competitive environment, right?

(43:58):
70% of the population is Israeliguys who are the most
competitive dudes on the planet when it comes to partying and
girls. And they really understand this
stuff. And everything's expensive
there. It's really hard to get to.
But it's not remote when you getthere, right?
Like it, it takes forever to getthere.
But then when you're there, there's an infrastructure of a

(44:19):
scene. There's restaurants, there's
parties, there's stuff to do. And so it's the girls understand
that and they want to go to those iconic spots and get those
photos. You know, when we would do trips
in in Cyprus, there's nothing there.
No girls like, oh, I want to like go to that fancy nightclub
in Cyprus. There's like there's an
abandoned ship that's cool to look at, right?

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There's some restaurants down bythe dock with a bunch of like
yacht people who who sail like sailboats, like old British
people. But there's no local competition
of like a nightlife industry. So you want to go somewhere
where there's no nightlife and that way your party is the
nightlife, if that makes sense. Well.
I I think that the guiding philosophy is, you know,

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there's, there's some luxury aspects and some fancy aspects,
but you're also sorting for decisions that generally put the
attention on the group, not, notexternally, not on like a club
or you know, I don't know it, whatever, like surf instructors
or whatever. Exactly.

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You're generally trying to say, hey, well, we got some cool shit
here. But you know, by the way, the
coolest stuff going on is us, not, not this other stuff.
Exactly. You are the party, you are the
entertainment. People are coming for that group
experience, that summer camp sort of vibe, the family vibe,
right? So really important.
Because by the way, I will, I will say this as well too.

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You're, you're entirely correct that like are women fair?
Do they, do they feel any sort of like equity obligation of
like once you bring them there? No, they don't give a.
Fuck no, we had we had girls when we did that trip that I
mentioned with the catamarans, one of the girls, I almost

(46:04):
didn't bring her and I should have listened to my Co host.
He's like, don't bring her. She's entitled.
She's annoying, but I really wanted to bring her because I
had a crush on her, right? And and I brought her and when
we got to the docks, those catamarans were parked next.
This is in in Cannes where they have the Cannes Film Festival.
And those, those, you know, we're walking by these mega

(46:24):
yachts, like the one that we took in the Maldives.
And we finally arrived to the three catamarans, which are nice
catamarans, but they're nothing compared to the Maldives sorts
of yachts, right? And the first thing she says is
like, wait, we're going on thesecrappy little boats and all the
other girls could hear. And it totally changed the vibe.
She ended up stealing the three hottest girls and she knew like

(46:47):
a French, you know, like a someone, a descendant of like
the Monaco royalty and like he came and picked her up and the
three other hottest girls and, and they were gone.
We paid their their airfare to basically hang out with these
fucking Monaco guys. I brutal, I know exactly.
So you, you basically just function as sort of

(47:08):
transportation and like you, you, you brought her there.
Exactly, and it killed the vibe for the other girls too.
The other girls were like, oh, these girls were lame.
It like it really, really fuckedthings up.
So like that, that's a, you know, a big, a big mess up.
Robbie, let me I have a questionjust in terms of trying to
design like this is the marketing part and call it the

(47:31):
pitch, right. Not like I get the idea that we
kind of want to make a compelling trip, have a bunch of
cool stuff on there. Not we don't need to go
overboard, but have enough cool,interesting things, a photo
shoot, all of that. That essentially goes into the
pitch with us kind of doing a casting call, really trying to
figure out which women we can come on the, you know, that want

(47:52):
to come that we that we get buy in from that.
Will. Can you just talk about that in
terms of kind of the initial salesman part of how do you get
girls to come on the trip? You show versus tell, right?
And what you do is you show coolphotos of the villa.
You show photos of photo shoots happening, right that are kind

(48:13):
of location independent. So let me let me share some
others on. Basically, you should sell it
with you're saying some of the previous trips, so I could do
that with Costa Rica, for example, I can show them, hey, I
was just here. Exactly.
I would share photos like this, right?
There's like, you know, me beinga photographer with girls having
fun stuff like this. Here's us dressing up all the

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girls in in pirate outfits on the beach in the Maldives.
And then we have them like running on the beach, you know,
in slow MO. So it's you, you make it all
about the group experience and the fun, right?
Obviously I'd show them photos of the yacht.
Fun stuff like this with us. Just like, you know, being
shuttled from the main boat to one of the smaller boats with

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all the girls dressed up as pirates.
So you're trying to show fun. That's a combination of showing
all previous trips that were awesome like on IG and and then
just detailing what you're what you're planning to do on the on
the new trip. Yeah.
So I'd have an itinerary of, of,of like what we're doing each

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day and what there's always a, depending on.
Like there, there's one big activity, right?
And that, that activity is kind of what you plan around like,
and there's usually one photo shoot, right?
So the activity will be like group dinner and then a, and
then a themed party. So like a pirate, like a, you

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know, for example, we did like apirate photo shoot during the
day, that day on one of the islands.
And then at night we did like a White Party slash dinner.
So a typical day is, you know, you wake up, you have breakfast,
you don't really start anything until like 11 or 12.
And then you go and you do a photo shoot, which is also could
be centered around to lunch. And then you go back.

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You have like chill time in the afternoon.
You know, people could work out or they can, they can hang out,
they can nap and then you do a group dinner.
This is where it's great to havea chef or ahead of time, you ask
girls like if they like to cook and if they enjoy that, you
could have the girls sort of do that work.
And you can also you tell peopleit's like, listen, you're coming

(50:26):
on this trip. The people that aren't paying
are kind of expecting the other people to or the the people who
do pay are like, you know, we don't want to, we're paying to
not have to do some of the gruntwork like the cleanup and the
cooking and the cleaning, that sort of stuff.
So you're incentivizing some of the girls.
And like most girls will just kind of do that naturally.

(50:47):
Like they'll want to help out. I'm not saying be like, you
know, an entitled jerk and like don't ever help.
Like I always helped clean. I would always invite people to
help cook. One of the most fun things for
me was just like when I got there, I would grab like two or
three girls and I'd take the Mercedes and be like, oh, let's
go grocery shopping, right? And now I'm buying groceries
with a bunch of hot girls. Like even buying groceries is

(51:08):
fun. Like it can be a great
experience of doing anything with a group of hot girls is
fun. Doesn't matter really what
you're doing. So the cooking, the cleaning.
Hire a chef versus go to a bunchof expensive restaurants.
Obviously choose a place where there aren't a lot of expensive
restaurants. You'll save money.
And those can all be, you know, great sorts of activities to to

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put in the in in the the schedule as well.
It sounds like 'cause look, you have, if you have an amazing
villa, right? Like it's not like, oh, it's my
shitty apartment in New York City or whatever.
Like if you know you have an amazing villa, like why wouldn't
you want a, a chef to cook you there?
Like that's. Saying we have a private chef is
a selling point, but you're actually saving a lot of money,

(51:50):
right? So, so for example, I'll show
you guys some of the this was like a group lunch, right?
That we did very cheap. This is this was less than like
8 bucks a person this big lunch.And we do, we use this as as
like a photo shoot as well. We did this BDSM style like

(52:15):
after dinner party where we had all the girls dress up.
One of the girls was an electronic violinist.
So you can can hear her kind of rocking out there and you know,
this creates a fun vibe obviously.
It it sounds like if you can figure out food like what you
know at the villa, that that Trump's going out to eat in a

(52:36):
restaurant, right? Like it's basically better.
Yeah, we would do like we would go to one meal at a restaurant
during the trip, right. And it would, it would
typically, you know, sometimes it would be like the day we
left. So for example, in the Maldives,
there was like a, a very cool resort that was, you know,
iconic and, and girls would be like, oh, I want to go to this

(52:57):
resort. So we would on the last day, you
know, our flights were usually like 6:00 or 7:00 PM.
We would, we would go there for lunch on the last day, right?
So that there wasn't anything else to do that day, right?
There's no party that night. We're flying out.
So you can do the stuff that's like, you know, iconic but bad
for the vibe on the last day or the day you sort of get there if

(53:19):
it's close to the airport, that sort of thing.
Right. OK, gotcha.
Because here's what I experienced in Costa Rica.
Is that going to eat out at a restaurant?
I think we did it like a couple of times.
Is that actually just a pain in the ass to even get all of these
people there, get on a bus, do whatever, do all this stuff, and
then like we're there, all right, We're eating at a
restaurant. And then it's just a lot of

(53:40):
overhead, like so much overhead.It's expensive, it's boring.
There's other people there that are like, you know, macking on
your girls. It's, it's, there's, there's no
upside. If you can, if you can do
something in house and have a chef, the food's going to be
better too with the chef. So you know one thing you can
do, You can find a hot girl who's a chef and invite her on

(54:03):
the trip for free. She'll come and she'll cook for
nothing. You know, like you can find
these sorts of people. Don't hire a guy DJ who's going
to have all the status and and get all your girls.
Get a hot girl who's a DJ and have her come and have her be
the DJ, right? Don't hire a male photographer

(54:24):
who again is going to trump you in status.
Become a photographer yourself or hire female photographers to
come for free, right? So like anything where you think
you need some guy or you think you need to pay a person or do a
thing, there's a equally hot andtalented girl who can do that
same job, which helps your ratio, which crushes everything.

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And that's why I tell every guyslike learn to be a photographer
and learn to DJ. Like you can learn both in a day
to to fool like the the average person, right?
The average person has no idea about photography or DJ.
You can learn you could be like in the top five percentile
literally a day to the to to theuninformed onlooker, right?

(55:06):
Who is who is most girls? Hey, hey, look, Twan and I are
our golf pros, man, and it only took a couple hours.
There you go, right to the untrained eye and it's real.
Yep, 100%. I have a question about the
invitation marketing side of things.
You were talking about showing pictures of pasta trips and so

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on and talking a little bit moreabout the destination and so on.
Would you send all of that in like 1 big text message to the
girl with the picture and so on?Or would you show them only in
person or and how? I'm always wondering if these
invitations, how much you know investment to to show like you

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know, if I drop them a big text message and a bunch of pictures,
it's got a lot, but I also want to sell it as as well as
possible, right? Yeah, good question.
I, I would have like, you know, less, less text and more photos.
And the, the beauty of WhatsApp is like you can send 20 photos
at once and I'll put it in just like 1 folder for you, right.

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So I can say, hey, we're doing afun photo shoot slash trip at
XYZ. You know, I can tell you all
about it. But you know, a photo's worth
1000 words. So here's 20,000 words and you
just drop a bunch of photos and then you gauge her reaction.
If she seems interested, obviously she's going to come
back and she's going to ask questions and be like, actually,

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let's, let's talk about it in person.
I'm sure there's a lot to talk about.
Let's, you know, grab a coffee or grab a beer and go over it,
right? And the photos are really all
you need. They're going to show like the
the place you're going. You don't have to show like the
itinerary or the, you know, the schedule.
You might not have that yet, butjust showing like cool people
doing cool stuff like in in a cool location, Like who's going

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to say no to that? This is literally the dream of
most young hot girls is to like go and be, you know, shot for
something like the benefit that we did was like in the before.
I mean, ultimately when I was doing this at the biggest scale,
we had the rights to shoot for Playboy in Eastern Europe.
And so having the Playboy brand behind us was, you know, a game

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changer. It was instant credibility.
But I did trips in the Hamptons.I did trips like the, the one I
showed you with when we rented the RV's and Sedona.
And for that, instead of like making the focus on like, oh,
we're shooting for Playboy, it was like we're going to Sedona,
which is a, which is a very sortof chick crack place because
it's, it's synonymous with like,you know, energy and medical

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physical things. Sedona is kind of known as like,
oh, it like for spiritual roles,they love Sedona, right?
There's amazing sightseeing there when we did the Hamptons,
right. The Hamptons are great because
it's, it's also remote, right? There's nightclubs and stuff
there, but it's hard to get to. You can do most of the stuff in
a villa. So, but the name the Hamptons is
cool, right? And there's like little day
trips you can do there and like beautiful beaches and, and cool

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things like that. So whatever place you're going,
like it's going to have these keywords or these key photos
associated with it. And you, you focus on that,
right? Then you focus on the cool
people and and the vibe. I was gonna ask you just in
terms of the casting call, like just trying to filter for the
right type of girl, like are anyany questions?
I remember you said something about you kind of jokingly, you

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know, you got to sleep with someone on the trip, could be a
girl or a guy, you know, kind ofwinker, ha ha.
And obviously not enforce that, but just to see the reaction.
Well, yeah, it depends on the vibe of the trip, right?
Like, So what I would sort of say to to girls who were sort of
on the fence and I was like, I don't know if they if I want
them to come because they might be kind of lame and boring, or

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they might spend all the time intheir room.
I'd be like, listen, we're a pretty crazy group of people.
Like we get after it, we party hard.
You know, this isn't like we're going to go to bed and and
watch, you know, friends in our room.
Like we get after it party hard.So if that's not your vibe,
great. Like I always tell people like,
you know, this is summer camp, we're going to have a good time.

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You know, if you think you're definitely not going to hook up
with somebody, I don't care if that's a girl or a guy, you
probably won't want to be aroundus because, you know, we get
after it. So.
Cool. I like that.
I like that. You're basically saying that's
probably, you know, there will be hooking up with other people
and that's sure. And you don't have to like if
it's your first trip and you think you're gonna turn people

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off by saying that you don't have to do that, that, you know,
I didn't do that until like veryfuture later trips when I had
enough sort of status where I could own that and not feel bad
about it, right? And because remember, like to
say something like that, like that's a really strong frame and
you might get some, some, some girls being like, you know, you

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might get some bad reaction. So if you're not confident
saying that, I would, I would say to not do that yet.
Just saying like we get after weparty, we, we're up late, right?
Crazy stuff happens. If you're the sort of person who
wants to like, you know, do a photo shoot and then have dinner
and go to bed at 8:00 PM like this isn't the trip for you.
Right. And then to gauge her reaction,
like she either is like, oh, wow, that, you know, that sounds

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amazing, or it's like, oh, oh, OK, you know, or she's, you
know, sure. Then you kind of know whether
she's a fit. Exactly, and and you want to
show that in the, in the marketing material that you
send, right? You want to include like photos
of parties and people having funand, and not just like photo
shoots and beautiful villas and like, you know, you got to set

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the vibe for what you actually want to create.
Right. Because I, I will tell you,
there were, there were a couple girls that came on my trip that
like, yeah, I think they just were really there just for the
photos And and like they, you know, they didn't really give a
shit about even interacting withother people.
It's not not not great, you know, like not, not.
They're not so much about the group, is what I was saying.

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This was the trip I did for my. I think it was my 37th birthday.

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So you guys get the idea right? This is that was for my
birthday. And if you show that, you know,
if you show that sort of photo to for that video to to girls
coming, that obviously shows thevibe.
Well, it it right, It seems like, you know, correct me if

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I'm wrong, but it seems like to just be able to go on an A trip
like that, you are hugely, hugely kind of like, yeah, you,
you have this high status because you made it, you're a
part of it. Like you're on the trip like
with these other people. So they're like, look, this is
so this trip is so, you know, kind of cool and rare and you're

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there. Therefore you automatically have
like status and you're cool, etcetera.
Oh yeah, just cuz you're there. Well, it creates like when
you're on this trip, right and and you've done the, the hard
work of picking the right location and it's and it's
remote. You are the the entire dating
market is that trip. There is nobody else right?

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And you're there for a set amount of time.
So it's like all of the girls are there, like you are the only
guy, right? And it's also probably important
to like filter another reason, like some girls will come, like
if they're in a relationship or something like that, like you
don't want those girls coming. They're going to be on the phone
the whole time with their boyfriend and he's going to be
jealous or figuring out ways to try to show up and ruin the
trip. We've had shit like that happen.

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Like don't invite girls who are in a relationship.
It's just bad for everybody, butyou will become like the the
center of that dating market, right?
And it can put you in a positionof status where you could now
like punch up in in weight classlike two or three points, 4
points out of your league, right?
I've seen guys who like call hima 5 1/2 in LA on one of these

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trips. He's a nine and he's hooking up
with Nines because like that, that's all there is, right.
But he's figured out how to get himself on that trip, which is
the hard work. And that that is what makes that
guy literally a knife. Like the hard, The hard.
Work is done, you're there and and what I would basically say
as long as you're fuckable, thenit's OK.

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Like you're you don't you could be the fuckable five.
Yeah, that's it. You don't and you don't have to
run game, you can just chill andthe ratio does all the work for
you right? Like when there's limited
options, the girls like, want tonetwork and they want to have
fun and they want to talk to you, right?
Like, it's not a nightclub whereyou're like, running around

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hoping for any girl to just giveyou like, a morsel of attention.
So the nightclub, you are literally competing with other
guys that are taller, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And and like, yeah, it's just not, you know, it's not the same
competition at all if, you know,Yeah.
Yeah, if if you're not like, youknow, like I don't know, I'd
give myself like A6 or A7 right in the looks department.

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I'm 510, not that good looking, got big Jewish nose.
I'm I'm not the you know, I think I'm kind of witty or
funny, but I'm I'm not a I'm nothilarious, right?
Like I don't have anything that that is really going to allow me
to compete with like a Chad, right?
Like and no matter how like, even if I get in like tip top

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shape, whatever, I'm not wittingany like beauty pageants, but I
can compete by controlling the ratio, controlling the
environment, you know, just being just being myself and and
having fun and being in a situation where where the supply
and demand works in my favor, right?
It's all about the setup. You, you have high status and
you're there, you have access. You actually made it on the trip

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and and these other Chads did not.
Exactly. I mean, Dan Bilzerian says it
perfectly in his book. The book's called The setup,
right? He wanted this because he, he
figured that shit out. He figured out the setup.
And it's, it's, it's not rocket science.
It's literally just the stuff wewent over, right?
Like any guy can do this. You just have to be smart and
understand the the setup again. So other questions or or

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concerns or like, oh, like this seems doable.
Seems impossible for some of youguys who haven't said anything.
Yeah, I have something. If no one else wants to go, how
much should I try to micromanagetheir behavior if I kind of
notice them doing something uncool?
Yeah, so I would always set the the expectations before the

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trip. I'd be like, you know, I would
do a call with all the guys and I'd be like, listen, I've done
this stuff before. The social dynamics are obvious
to me. They're not going to be obvious
to you because it's your first time.
So with your permission, I'd like the ability to like
debrief, you know, after each day in the mornings.
And you know, if, if you're, I don't want to give, you know,

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what's the, what's the word likewhen you, when you give like
advice that nobody asked for. Unsolicited advice.
Yeah, exactly. Like I don't want to give
unsolicited advice. So, but I, I, I have a lot of
very valuable things to share and if you would allow me to

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sort of be in that, like, you know, coaching role, that would,
that would benefit all of us. And that way we'll debrief if
there's something I see that that is, that's happening,
that's not optimal. Like I might pull you aside and
say like, Hey, this is going on,blah, blah.
So I'm setting that expectation ahead of time.
And of course, like, if a guy's like, no way, fuck you, like I'm
not going to bring him right? Like any, no one's going to say

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no to that. I've never had a guy say no to
that. And I've brought some really
like high status guys, right? And I don't frame it in a way
like I'm better than you or I know it's just like I've been
before and I've seen things go wrong.
So let's talk about it. And when that when stuff comes
up, like ask me be like, what's going on here?
How could we all like work together to have the best time?
So we would do those debriefs. I'd have that conversation ahead

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of time. Like to this day, I have a, a
Maldives chat with the first, the very first trip we do.
And that like there's communication in that chat
almost every day just because we're all so close in, in life
and we talk about every three ofus are married now in that group
and that's been going strong. We just had somebody post
literally like the other day, you know, these photos were from

(01:08:03):
7 years ago. That's when we did the, the
trip, right? Like someone posted in there.
So it's, it's, it's cool. Like the friendships that are
built through these things are, are incredible.
And for that trip, to be clear, we had like our, our chat was
called Maldives strategy. That was me and the five of
their guys. And then I had another group
chat for everybody, including the girls too.

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But I had a just a guy's chat, of course as well.
And if, you know, if situations came up, I could just, I could
text them in the group, be like,yo, check your phone, right.
If something's going awry and I didn't want to like pull them
out or so. And, and that was, you know, I
learned so much as hosting thesethings and overseeing all of
these social dynamics. It was like a crash course or a

(01:08:43):
PhD in like group party dynamicsand, and just behavioural
psychology. I guess I, you know, I should
write a book on it someday. Or I have like, yeah, I have a
journal of every day from the first trip of like everything we
did and you know, who hooked up with who and quite fascinating.

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I'd be happy to share that in the group if anyone's
interested. What are the prerequisites would
you say for going doing one of these trips?
Good question. So you know, like depending on
who's going, right, like if if Yannick's hosting and he's like
inviting guys from the group, the prerequisites is like you
were invited. If the host invited you,
obviously he thinks highly enough that that you could go.

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But if you're in a situation where you feel like, Oh my God,
if I'm around those hot models, I just feel like a fish out of
water, I'm going to put all thispressure on myself to hook up.
And that's going to sabotage my chances.
And if I went on this trip and spent, you know, a couple $1000
and I didn't hook up, I'm going to be really upset.
If you're entertaining those thoughts, you're probably not

(01:09:50):
ready for it, right? Because you're just going to be
in the wrong headspace about it.And that's why it's so important
to kind of like, you know, have lots of dates under your belt
and, and be approaching women and, and, you know, being very
active in your social and your dating life and to be
consistently sort of interactingwith beautiful girls, even if

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that's you like running up to them and approaching them on the
street, right? Like if, if you're just
uncomfortable around hot girls and I throw you into a situation
where there's a bunch of hot girls doing a photo shoot, like
you're, you're going to effectively go into like a
fight, flight or freeze response, right?
Because you're scared. And then you'll just be like a
shell of yourself. And you know that that's going

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to put you at a big disadvantageto the other guys there who are
more sort of comfortable and outgoing and, and free to, to
interact, you know, in a social way.
And then if you're not invited on a trip but you are thinking
of doing 1. So obviously, like you would
want to organize your own house parties first, your own social
events in your city, right? If you can't get anyone to come

(01:10:54):
to your birthday party or come to an event that you're
throwing, odds are you're not going to be able to get anyone
on a trip, right? Or if you were, you'd have to
sell them on like the the cool thing versus you know, they
should be coming because The thing is cool, but also because
they they think you're cool too,right.
If they're like you're a loser but the trip is good, it's a bad

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vibe. So like Alex proposed to me like
he wanted to do a trip in in Romania here, like a winter ski
trip. There's a lot of good nature
here and wanted to get footage and all that kind of stuff.
And I'm debating whether I should take one of the girls I'm
dating. 'Cause.
I only started seeing her right this this one girl and I'm like,

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well, if he's coming and there'slike six other girls and that's,
that's kind of overwhelming for someone who had just started
seeing. I would not do that.
You wouldn't do that. I mean, you're bringing sand to
the beach, right? Unless I mentioned this towards
the beginning. Unless like, you're bringing her
as a way to like, remove yourself from the dating pool to
give other guys a chance, you know, because you're so high

(01:12:04):
status, right? Like, you know, then then you
could make an argument for that.But that's obviously not the
case. And yeah, it's going to set the
wrong tone. That's also strange for her too,
because I'm assuming she might get kind of uncomfortable,
right? Just start seeing a guy and
suddenly there's 12 people. You know what I mean?
Like, so it has to be like kind of all strangers or a couple

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that's been seeing each other for a long time, like something
like that. Well, you could bring a couple
if the couple's cool and fun andlike a a party couple.
You know, I brought my buddy Jayand his girl and they were like
the best because they were like a cool couple and very outgoing
and like helping to, you know, facilitate everyone else having
fun. Like for for some of you guys
who have been to immersions, like it's always me and Maria

(01:12:50):
pushing, you know, the games andthe fun.
And of course, Maria as a girl will kind of make it safe for
the other girls to like like letloose and and be cool and fun
party. So I'm not saying don't ever
bring couples, But if you're a single guy and you bring a girl,
like likely there's going to be drama if you hook up with other
girls and you'll end up in like a more serious relationship if

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you don't with the girl that youbrought.
OK, right, OK. All right.
Yeah, that's my question, so I'mgoing to Nix that.
He also said that's probably notthe right trip for for her as
well. So it.
I would do something more along along the lines of what you guys
already did, like you know him and a girl and you and a girl
and you do a little like girlfriend experience GFE.

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Big. He's like, oh, we'll bring a
cameraman and we'll bring three other and we'll bring 6, you
know, so he wants to do it big so.
Well, remember the the, the number of guys depends on the
number of girls, right? Get that three to one ratio.
It's crucial, right? You can do a trip with two to
one like I did like Como with six girls and three guys, which

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was great because we all fit in a 9 passenger van, right And the
two guys were very close friendsand I was I became friends with
both of them on a previous trip,right.
So I knew the guys were super cool and comfortable.
All six of the girls were friends of mine from Kiev, one
just from Georgia. And it was a highly, highly

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curated, like awesome group of fun people.
I knew everyone would get have agreat time.
You know, like some some wild, crazy sexual stuff broke out on
a couple of the nights. But that was like after I'd done
tons of trips and really like knew like this how to mix the
right sort of personalities. You know, I was like a a puppet
master with this sort of stuff because I had that pool to draw

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from. And that's sort of the really
high level stuff you can do downthe road.
But in the beginning, right, Like just aim for the ratio,
have a good spot, you know, you don't need to do something
incredibly extravagant or expensive, like just, you know,
try to build on, you know, baby steps forward.

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As far as like content goes though, like, you know, since
it's like winter and we're doinglike a winter trip, if you have
any ideas of how to like get good content for doing like a
winter trip other than being on the slopes and skiing and
snowboarding, you know, like obviously it's less than going
to like a Beachy. Arguably, it's just as good.
I mean, Yannick just did that. Yannick, you want to share about

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what you guys did? Yeah.
Well, I don't know how much variety you get out of like in
terms of the content like in during the winter compared to.
Well, the cool thing about the winter you can do, you can ski
right? Like, and so there's, there's
content there. You can take photos in the snow.
You can have bathing suits in the snow.
You could have hot tub shoots inthe snow.
Snowmobiles is what we actually want to do as well, right?

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Yeah. That's why there's, there's a
lot of, well, there's a vision here.
I'll tell you more of of of what, OK.
OK. We'll, we'll talk about it, OK.
Thanks, we did a very cool trip to Bocaville in Ukraine one
year. You know we had I think 9 girls,
3.5 guys, one guy like came and another guy left and you know we

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rented a cool cabin and we went skiing couple days and you know
it, it was great. What what was your biggest Aha
I'm curious from Bionic and Alexfrom this call.
I think that the ratio is prettyimportant.
It's it's almost just like when there's fewer girls, they
literally get more entitled. I think there there's less
competition anxiety A. 100%, 100billion%, right.

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If you put them in an environment where they need to
compete and they need to be on their best behavior to win, they
will. And if you incentivize them to
not have to do that, then you'regonna get a worse version of
them. It's just human nature.
Give it like this women are, they operate on a spectrum.
They can be really nice and theycan be terrible.
And so with dial they can, it's up to them.

(01:16:53):
They'll be nice or really horrible.
And like, I can't control that other than controlling the
environment. Exactly.
Give them the permission and andthe the the possibility to be
tyrannical and and horrible. They will.
They also learned it from the basically, like you don't really
get any credit. Like if you bring them on the
trip and all that, like, like, OK, oh, you got us here.

(01:17:15):
Well now what? Like what?
OK, we already have it. We're already here.
Like we don't get any quote likereal credit if you get what I'm
saying. Yeah, like you.
You know, you just assume, assume the worst, expect
nothing, and then you'll end up in in a good spot.
Basically what I'm trying to sayis like there's not a, it's
almost like there's, there isn'tmuch goodwill.

(01:17:36):
You're kind of having to prove yourself again and again A. 100%
And I feel like that's true and even in a relationship, right,
like guys will be like, well, I did this and I did that and I
did this and now I can relax. Like Nope, you can't.
The second you take your foot off the gas, you start to have
problems. That's life.
What I got from this call is like, wow, there's a, there's a
lot of design and and decisions you can do that really it it all

(01:17:59):
helps in that direction of really encouraging good
behavior. That's that's why my trips were
so successful. Just I, I solved for everything
that could go wrong. I chose the right people, chose
the right venue, had the right ratio, you know, had the chefs,
had the itinerary, had everything.
And like these were like the most fun I've ever had like that

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in 2018, like I was on a trip almost every other week and I
lived the life of like a a billionaire for for pennies,
right? Like it was, it was
unbelievable. I, I built so much confidence.
I crossed everything off my likesexual bucket list.
All my fantasies. I remember like being on that
yacht in the Maldives and just like pinching myself.

(01:18:41):
I'm like, I can't believe I'm actually on a yacht like this.
I've never been on a yacht like this and there's 20 freaking
models getting onto this boat. Who the like, wake up, where,
where are you? And then I got to employ
everything I learned from many, many years of social dynamics
and like, you know, not being overly aggressive or thirsty and

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like just winning on such a massive level.
I would like the, the confidenceI got from that.
We're like, wow, I, I'm, I am just as cool as anyone else.
I've always looked up to. It was like the most sort of
validating experience a guy could have for when it comes to
this stuff. I also have to say that I think
in the end it actually helped mebe more of a capable guy in the

(01:19:27):
eyes of the girls that were withme.
Yeah, and I'm, and I'm glad you said that because that that is
the sort of stuff that builds attraction.
And that's why you don't have torun game and do anything special
when the ratio is in your in your favor, right?
If you're just the guy taking care of business, you know, like
keeping people safe, having a plan, taking people from here to
there, managing the environment,girls, look, they're like, wow,

(01:19:50):
this guy is very capable, right?He he's competent.
Like women look for competent leaders above all else.
And these trips provided an amazing sort of fishbowl for
them to see a very competent guywho can lead and a guy who can
lead beautiful girls and doesn'tlose his shit like in a, in a

(01:20:10):
when the situation, you know, gets a little dicey or weird,
right? So they're, they're seeing all
of this and they will fall in love with that guy over a, you
know, short period of time. That's why.
That's why, like the last night of the trip, you'd be shocked
with, you know, the girl who maybe like wouldn't look at you
the first day, had zero interest.
By the end of the trip, she's like completely in love and you

(01:20:32):
haven't done anything. You don't maybe you didn't even
interact with her. Like this is how I landed one of
the girls. To Rica, the hottest girl on the
last night, it's 2:00 in the morning.
She wants to play chess, like what the fuck?
And she set up the board and like.
Amazing. And you don't have to be Mr.
Running Game guy. Like the opposite is what works,
like not giving them attention, doing your own thing.

(01:20:53):
Like you could be on your laptopworking like making content all
day. Like one of the guys that we'd
bring on the trip a lot of the time as a photographer was a
very well known Blogger, a Russian guy.
He knew tons of girls. So he would also bring girls for
us. But he literally, like everyone
thought that he hated them. Like I even thought he hated me
because he just, he was, he was very antisocial.
All he did was he would just sitin the living room on his laptop

(01:21:16):
editing content and had like a mean look on his face the whole
time, right? And everyone would be like, wow,
why is why is Sasha so like, youknow, he doesn't like me.
He doesn't give me any validation, just drives the
girls crazy. They just want him even more.
It even messed with my head, right?
Like at one point I went over like, dude, like we cool.
You like don't like me. He's like, no, I'm just busy and

(01:21:37):
like, you know, we got over it. But you you, you can literally
do the opposite of what you would have to do in any other
situation and win. It's very counterintuitive.
I also had an experience like that where one of the girls, I
didn't really talk of much of her, her English wasn't that
great. And then she's just kind of just
being all over me and kind of going through my hair and

(01:22:00):
nipple, twisting me and all thatshit.
I had such a weird experience onon one of the Maldives trips.
There was one girl who like she she almost never like did
anything social. She would go to bed really
early. You know, at one point I was
like, well, who who invited thisgirl?
Like, how did she even get here?And then on the last night,

(01:22:21):
instead of going to bed, she comes over to me and she's like,
Robbie, make me a drink. And I'm like, oh, OK.
And then we ended up having a wild and crazy night.
And like, just because it was the last night of the trip.
And that's what happened. So like everyone you know has a
different sort of vibe when thathappens.
Yeah. So based on what you just said,
can it ever be the case that you're on the trip and you're

(01:22:42):
too laid back where the girls are?
Like, I'm not interested in thisguy.
He's just quiet. He's like a wallflower, you
know, does that ever happen? Because you're you're talking
about like basically, you know, you're on the trip.
It's better to not try not not, I mean, not, you know, push so
hard. I don't know.
I'm just curious if if it's been.
This is where the ratio helps you, right?

(01:23:03):
Like if if that's a one to one ratio and you're just the guy in
the corner as a wallflower not doing it, no one's going to pay
any attention, right? But if you got a three to one
ratio, there's going to be a bunch of girls with with like
you're, you're going to be that the the last option, but still a
really good option, right? So the ratio either wins that or

(01:23:25):
it loses that. It's 100%.
And that's why it's so important.
And obviously you don't want to be completely like the to be on
your laptop editing the whole time and completely disengaging
and being like an aloof jerk, right?
Like you have to have a lot of status to pull that off or you
have to have a really, really good ratio.
If you have a 5 to one ratio, then that's, you know, even more

(01:23:47):
likely to work. But it's a lever that is going
to depend on the other aspects in play.
Yeah, OK, no, OK, makes sense. I know Dan Bilzerian like talked
about that like 10 years ago where he's talking about having
his parties with his buddies andyou know, having like stacking
it with the ratio like 3 to one and you know, but that's just
for parties. You know, it, it makes a

(01:24:08):
difference. This is like a trip.
So I'm assuming like. Well, Dan's ratios were like 15
to one, like ridiculous, ridiculous stuff, which I
actually think, you know, that works for you as a celebrity,
right? But when you get a ratio that's
that's really lopsided, like 5 or 6 to one, the girls get bored
and they realize they have absolutely no chance and then

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they feel like they can't win. And then they just they, they go
to sleep or they're just like unhappy.
So that's why 3 to 1 is so optimal.
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