April 1, 2025 • 7 mins
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Are you thinking about hiring a dating coach or perhaps you've already invested with little to no return? Robbie exposes the pitfalls of flashy, overpriced programs and sheds light on the truth behind these get-confident-quick schemes. From the allure of the "Chad" persona to the one-size-fits-all scripts, he reveals how these scams often prey on men with genuine social anxieties and dating goals. But don't worry, it's not all doom and gloom. Stick around to the end, and Robbie shares a genuine method to advance your dating skills that focuses on consistent growth rather than shortcuts.
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(00:00):
Are you watching dating coachingcontent and thinking about
hiring a coach? Or maybe you spent lots of money
on coaching already only to see no or little change except for
the dent in your wallet. If that's you, pay attention.
I'm about to reveal the six mostcommon scams in the dating
coaching world and how to avoid them and stick around until the
end. And I'll share a tried and true
method. It may not seem flashy, but it
has the highest chance of givingyou real results, and it works
(00:22):
at improving almost any skill you wish to master.
You're listening to the Inner Confidence podcast.
My name is Robbie Kramer, I've been a coach since 2007 and I've
helped countless men rapidly achieve all of their social and
dating goals. My mission is simple, to help
you position yourself to meet stunning women, make awesome
friends in route to becoming themost confident and attractive
version you can possibly be. I'm absolutely obsessed with
(00:44):
giving you the most leverage ways possible to win the game to
stick around. Let's go so scam #1 the Chad
who's never been in your shoes. This scam is popular because
social media loves good looking tatted up Jack guys surrounded
by baddies. These guys realize they can
profit from clueless men by selling info products on how to
pick up chicks. Their material is usually fluff
(01:05):
and way overpriced. Then they push a huge upsell
course where you pay thousands of dollars for their time.
And the problem? These Chads never actually
struggled with women. They got attention early on
because they were tall and attractive.
That made them naturally confident and they never really
had to improve much in anything.They never had to overcome any
insecurities. Most men seeking a coach have
(01:26):
real issues. Social anxiety, heartbreak,
maybe a long dry spell, a divorce.
A coach who's never felt these struggles can't truly guide you
out of that hole. Scam #2 These are stand alone
weekend transformational boot camps.
These programs promise bold transformations.
You'll supposedly learn to approach the hottest women and
crush your anxiety in just a fewdays.
While a boot camp can be valuable, it's only as good as
(01:49):
the support you get afterwards. If you're 50 lbs overweight and
you go to a week long fat camp, for example, you're not going to
leave shredded. You're only going to get
shredded unless you continue thesame routines for months.
Sadly, most boot camps end once they get your money.
You're left with the same anxiety as you started with,
plus a temporary boot camp high.They prey on busy guys looking
(02:09):
for a quick fix and true growth takes ongoing support.
Scam #3 Rapid sexual escalation or speed seduction.
This appeals to lazy guys who don't want to go on normal
dates. They just want the quick thing.
It's all about quick pulls, pushy tactics, and claims of
easy bathroom hookups. The marketing is so flashy that
even men wanting long term relationships sometimes get
(02:30):
sucked in. That was me when I first got
into this back in 2005. The truth is, when a woman wants
a one night stand, she usually chooses you because she's in
that mood. It's rarely the other way
around. If you push this rapid
escalation, you'll burn through good prospects and you'll look
like a thirsty idiot. Even average women see through
it. High quality women definitely
won't go for it. And if you do happen to score
(02:52):
quickly, it's often because she had already decided that you
were the guy, she targeted you and it wasn't because of your
speed. Seduction or rapid Escalation
tricks scam #4 the step by step,one-size-fits-all system.
Engineers and tech guys love these systems because they offer
clear steps and promise predictable results, but they
(03:12):
usually make you sound robotic and insincere with memorized
lines and routines. Having a few go to openers or
witty lines is fine, but you gotto learn to flow with whatever
she's giving you because if you rely on a strict script you'll
fail when she goes off track andshe doesn't follow the thing you
had in your mind. It also doesn't help that many
men who buy these products already have weak social skills
(03:33):
in a real attraction isn't a formula.
Women quickly spot reverse linesand if she likes you anyways,
it's because you're trying and you have some charm, not because
the script magically worked. Scam #5 These are the deep inner
game snake oil programs and salesman's.
These target guys with deep anxieties and insecurities and
the message is you're broken inside and women sense it.
(03:55):
Fix your vibe or stay single forever.
They promised cures through hypnosis, NLP which is neuro
Linguistic programming, tapping which is EFT and TFT chakra
alignment or enlightenment training or other woo woo energy
work. They claim you'll get magical
results if you just get into theright flow state.
Often the people behind these programs have never earned money
(04:17):
outside of scamming others, and as the saying goes, a fool and
his money are soon parted. If something sounds like a magic
pill, it's probably too good to be true.
Scam number six. This is the become a local
celebrity pitch. Some coaches teach you to become
a social kingpin who befriends every hot girl in town,
eventually hooking up with them.And obviously, I do teach this
(04:38):
form of farming or fame game, but only for guys who have solid
hunting skills first. That means you can already get
dates with cute girls. You can score pretty regularly
and if you're not at that level you can't skip straight to
advanced social circle strategies.
Lately I see wealthy men paying 5 figures for these programs and
they have no basic hunting skills so they end up with
(04:59):
nothing but a fancy Instagram they don't really know how to
use or leverage. True fame.
Game or farming works only when you can hunt, especially if you
still need to. Programs that say normal
seduction is useless are just praying on men who fail to pick
up and are desperate for a different angle.
So those are the six scams to watch out for.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't invest in your social skills,
though. There's a huge difference
(05:19):
between trying to learn all thisby only watching free content
versus joining a legit coaching program.
But the right path doesn't rely on slick promises.
It relies on consistent effort. So here's a little metaphor for
you, learning to date is kind oflike learning guitar.
You start with a few free videos, you learn a few chords,
and you struggle through some mistakes.
You push forward, even when yourfingers hurt.
(05:40):
Then you find a local jam session.
You share tips, you cheer each other on, and you see that
everyone struggles. Sometimes the support keeps you
from quitting when things get awkward or uncomfortable, and
accountability is the next key. People check in on you, on your
progress. You don't want to let them down,
and over time you develop real skills.
Then you start paying for some better lessons, jamming with
(06:01):
friends and maybe changing your look for open mic nights.
Step by step you improve. Eventually you might play really
complex songs and you might havefun performing in front of big
crowds. You realize the journey itself
was worth it, and dating is no different.
You put in reps You get solid feedback from people you trust.
You surround yourself with guys who are also winning and
sharing. You know some of the levels of
(06:23):
defeat as you level up, you relax more in conversations, you
notice patterns, and you learn how to have fun.
Maybe your end goal is meeting the perfect partner, or maybe
you just want to have as much fun in the process of finding
her. Either way, the path matters as
much as the destination. So keep learning, keep
practicing, and you'll find a rhythm that works for you.
If you're serious about coaching, find someone you
(06:43):
resonate with and have a real conversation about your goals.
If they seem like they genuinelycare and they want you to
succeed, then go for it. Beware of anyone who doesn't
give you the time of day. If you think that might be me,
book a call. We'll see if it's a good fit and
hope you enjoyed the episode andI'll see you next time.
Out of all the guys I know, the only ones who managed to
consistently win the game are those who built and invested in
(07:04):
a high status social circle. You can certainly approach women
and try your luck on the apps ifyou're a Chad, but those
strategies simply don't work consistently to attract top tier
women and awesome friends in your life.
But for most guys, the idea of building a social circle can
feel overwhelming, so they continue to hunt for women in
their ways and end up settling for a girl they were never
really that excited about in the1st place.
To avoid this fate, join our community and instantly plug
(07:27):
into a highly vetted social circle of cool dudes to network
and navigate your journey with. You already know it's hard to
find wing men because the good ones don't stay in the game very
long. Many of our members travel
together, end up living together, build amazing circles
and even businesses together both in the West and in many of
the best locations around the globe with gorgeous women and
low cost of living. I'm extremely careful who I let
into this community, but if you feel like you make a good fit,
(07:49):
you can apply to join the links in the description.
Are you watching dating coachingcontent and thinking about
hiring a coach? Or maybe you spent lots of money
on coaching already only to see no or little change except for
the dent in your wallet. If that's you, pay attention.
I'm about to reveal the six mostcommon scams in the dating
coaching world and how to avoid them and stick around until the
end. And I'll share a tried and true
method. It may not seem flashy, but it
has the highest chance of givingyou real results, and it works
(00:22):
at improving almost any skill you wish to master.
You're listening to the Inner Confidence podcast.
My name is Robbie Kramer, I've been a coach since 2007 and I've
helped countless men rapidly achieve all of their social and
dating goals. My mission is simple, to help
you position yourself to meet stunning women, make awesome
friends in route to becoming themost confident and attractive
version you can possibly be. I'm absolutely obsessed with
(00:44):
giving you the most leverage ways possible to win the game to
stick around. Let's go so scam #1 the Chad
who's never been in your shoes. This scam is popular because
social media loves good looking tatted up Jack guys surrounded
by baddies. These guys realize they can
profit from clueless men by selling info products on how to
pick up chicks. Their material is usually fluff
(01:05):
and way overpriced. Then they push a huge upsell
course where you pay thousands of dollars for their time.
And the problem? These Chads never actually
struggled with women. They got attention early on
because they were tall and attractive.
That made them naturally confident and they never really
had to improve much in anything.They never had to overcome any
insecurities. Most men seeking a coach have
(01:26):
real issues. Social anxiety, heartbreak,
maybe a long dry spell, a divorce.
A coach who's never felt these struggles can't truly guide you
out of that hole. Scam #2 These are stand alone
weekend transformational boot camps.
These programs promise bold transformations.
You'll supposedly learn to approach the hottest women and
crush your anxiety in just a fewdays.
While a boot camp can be valuable, it's only as good as
(01:49):
the support you get afterwards. If you're 50 lbs overweight and
you go to a week long fat camp, for example, you're not going to
leave shredded. You're only going to get
shredded unless you continue thesame routines for months.
Sadly, most boot camps end once they get your money.
You're left with the same anxiety as you started with,
plus a temporary boot camp high.They prey on busy guys looking
(02:09):
for a quick fix and true growth takes ongoing support.
Scam #3 Rapid sexual escalation or speed seduction.
This appeals to lazy guys who don't want to go on normal
dates. They just want the quick thing.
It's all about quick pulls, pushy tactics, and claims of
easy bathroom hookups. The marketing is so flashy that
even men wanting long term relationships sometimes get
(02:30):
sucked in. That was me when I first got
into this back in 2005. The truth is, when a woman wants
a one night stand, she usually chooses you because she's in
that mood. It's rarely the other way
around. If you push this rapid
escalation, you'll burn through good prospects and you'll look
like a thirsty idiot. Even average women see through
it. High quality women definitely
won't go for it. And if you do happen to score
(02:52):
quickly, it's often because she had already decided that you
were the guy, she targeted you and it wasn't because of your
speed. Seduction or rapid Escalation
tricks scam #4 the step by step,one-size-fits-all system.
Engineers and tech guys love these systems because they offer
clear steps and promise predictable results, but they
(03:12):
usually make you sound robotic and insincere with memorized
lines and routines. Having a few go to openers or
witty lines is fine, but you gotto learn to flow with whatever
she's giving you because if you rely on a strict script you'll
fail when she goes off track andshe doesn't follow the thing you
had in your mind. It also doesn't help that many
men who buy these products already have weak social skills
(03:33):
in a real attraction isn't a formula.
Women quickly spot reverse linesand if she likes you anyways,
it's because you're trying and you have some charm, not because
the script magically worked. Scam #5 These are the deep inner
game snake oil programs and salesman's.
These target guys with deep anxieties and insecurities and
the message is you're broken inside and women sense it.
(03:55):
Fix your vibe or stay single forever.
They promised cures through hypnosis, NLP which is neuro
Linguistic programming, tapping which is EFT and TFT chakra
alignment or enlightenment training or other woo woo energy
work. They claim you'll get magical
results if you just get into theright flow state.
Often the people behind these programs have never earned money
(04:17):
outside of scamming others, and as the saying goes, a fool and
his money are soon parted. If something sounds like a magic
pill, it's probably too good to be true.
Scam number six. This is the become a local
celebrity pitch. Some coaches teach you to become
a social kingpin who befriends every hot girl in town,
eventually hooking up with them.And obviously, I do teach this
(04:38):
form of farming or fame game, but only for guys who have solid
hunting skills first. That means you can already get
dates with cute girls. You can score pretty regularly
and if you're not at that level you can't skip straight to
advanced social circle strategies.
Lately I see wealthy men paying 5 figures for these programs and
they have no basic hunting skills so they end up with
(04:59):
nothing but a fancy Instagram they don't really know how to
use or leverage. True fame.
Game or farming works only when you can hunt, especially if you
still need to. Programs that say normal
seduction is useless are just praying on men who fail to pick
up and are desperate for a different angle.
So those are the six scams to watch out for.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't invest in your social skills,
though. There's a huge difference
(05:19):
between trying to learn all thisby only watching free content
versus joining a legit coaching program.
But the right path doesn't rely on slick promises.
It relies on consistent effort. So here's a little metaphor for
you, learning to date is kind oflike learning guitar.
You start with a few free videos, you learn a few chords,
and you struggle through some mistakes.
You push forward, even when yourfingers hurt.
(05:40):
Then you find a local jam session.
You share tips, you cheer each other on, and you see that
everyone struggles. Sometimes the support keeps you
from quitting when things get awkward or uncomfortable, and
accountability is the next key. People check in on you, on your
progress. You don't want to let them down,
and over time you develop real skills.
Then you start paying for some better lessons, jamming with
(06:01):
friends and maybe changing your look for open mic nights.
Step by step you improve. Eventually you might play really
complex songs and you might havefun performing in front of big
crowds. You realize the journey itself
was worth it, and dating is no different.
You put in reps You get solid feedback from people you trust.
You surround yourself with guys who are also winning and
sharing. You know some of the levels of
(06:23):
defeat as you level up, you relax more in conversations, you
notice patterns, and you learn how to have fun.
Maybe your end goal is meeting the perfect partner, or maybe
you just want to have as much fun in the process of finding
her. Either way, the path matters as
much as the destination. So keep learning, keep
practicing, and you'll find a rhythm that works for you.
If you're serious about coaching, find someone you
(06:43):
resonate with and have a real conversation about your goals.
If they seem like they genuinelycare and they want you to
succeed, then go for it. Beware of anyone who doesn't
give you the time of day. If you think that might be me,
book a call. We'll see if it's a good fit and
hope you enjoyed the episode andI'll see you next time.
Out of all the guys I know, the only ones who managed to
consistently win the game are those who built and invested in
(07:04):
a high status social circle. You can certainly approach women
and try your luck on the apps ifyou're a Chad, but those
strategies simply don't work consistently to attract top tier
women and awesome friends in your life.
But for most guys, the idea of building a social circle can
feel overwhelming, so they continue to hunt for women in
their ways and end up settling for a girl they were never
really that excited about in the1st place.
To avoid this fate, join our community and instantly plug
(07:27):
into a highly vetted social circle of cool dudes to network
and navigate your journey with. You already know it's hard to
find wing men because the good ones don't stay in the game very
long. Many of our members travel
together, end up living together, build amazing circles
and even businesses together both in the West and in many of
the best locations around the globe with gorgeous women and
low cost of living. I'm extremely careful who I let
into this community, but if you feel like you make a good fit,
(07:49):
you can apply to join the links in the description.
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