February 18, 2020 • 43 mins
Pac-12 Networks' Mike Yam and Don MacLean evaluate the top teams in the Pac-12, as the league enters the home stretch of the regular season. They review the six teams vying for a Pac-12 Tournament bye (1:48), and determine whether or not 13 wins will be the magic number to win the conference's regular season (4:35). Mike and Don discuss Arizona State and Remy Martin’s recent success, and debate if Martin is a potential challenger to Payton Pritchard in the Pac-12 Player of the Year race (11:50). They also highlight Colorado’s impressive win at Oregon State (15:50), and Don explains why Arizona is a legit contender to win the conference (19:53).
Mike and Don also talk about UCLA’s continued impressive play (25:15), and praise the recent performance of forward Cody Riley. On “Storytime with Don MacLean” Don talks about the importance of team chemistry off the court (29:10), and shares how personal agendas can keep a team from reaching their goals. Finally, Mike and Don break down the NBA prospects of Arizona guard Nico Mannion (35:30), and explain why his explosiveness has so many professorial teams intrigued.
Mike and Don also talk about UCLA’s continued impressive play (25:15), and praise the recent performance of forward Cody Riley. On “Storytime with Don MacLean” Don talks about the importance of team chemistry off the court (29:10), and shares how personal agendas can keep a team from reaching their goals. Finally, Mike and Don break down the NBA prospects of Arizona guard Nico Mannion (35:30), and explain why his explosiveness has so many professorial teams intrigued.
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we go far and you're on thestores to take you from conference play
all the way to the final fourwith some hoop kind of swords, just
walking you through the game. Ihit your host, Mike Gammon the board
dumb acclaim, Hey, all right, we've been asking for it and we
finally what I would all true separation. There is a fine line in the
middle of the conference. Actually rightin the middle of the conference. I'll
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say, the teams that are fourlosses and five loss teams, they are
at the top half, and thenthere's everyone else. You buying that,
I am buying that. I thinkwe're deep enough into the season now,
Yamer, that I would be shockedin Stamford's two losses behind, you know,
the next tier if they could winout and get you know, all
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the way up to the top.I think. Or the teams with four
losses are in the driver's seat Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado,
and then you got SC and UCLAright behind them one game behind.
So it's six teams fighting for thosetop four seeds, which gets you buy
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in the first round of the PACtwelve tournament. So it's going to be
fascinating to watch. But yes,I agree, I think it's those six
teams fighting for those four seeds.All right, So you and I what
we decided to do today, donand that is just go through the top
six their path to try to geta four seed in Vegas. And for
a lot of these teams, Imean at least the top four. Look,
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I mean, I guess I've seenUCLA or in the thick of things,
I'll include them in the conversation forgetting a regular season conference counts because
it's the one game difference. Butthe reality is I still think it's really
the top four in the driver's seat, and the Arizona school still needs some
work to get done. So youand I will will go through a couple
of the different scenarios. It wasgoing through schedules where everyone is at some
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of those tie breakers. Keep inmind I had asked Dave Hirstis Casey Jacobson
was in studio with me on Thursdayand we were going through all these different
scenarios because that was the night ofthe Colorado Oregon game, and in a
lot of ways, that one helpsdecide where that one is going to go
a long way in deciding who winsthe conference championship. Oregan obviously needed it,
and they're in pretty good shape rightnow as a SEU. Obviously split
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on the road trip, and thatwas actually a pretty exciting game. I
know you were on air calling theArizona Stanford game over the weekend, so
you didn't get to see the broadcastso much, did you know? You
know what? Though you am realquick. Let's let's talk about before we
get to each team individually, whywe're in Why why all of a sudden
this week we're talking about separation,and it's the sweeps. Both Arizona teams
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road sweeps to put themselves in position. Well, can I throw us something
your way? By the way,on ASU, Bobby Hurley has never had
a road sweep right before, right, it's so then the home sweeps SCUCLA
home sweeps to keep themselves in position. And I think Colorado, you're looking
at it from their standpoint, theygot the split and that's basically all they
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needed to keep themselves in the lead. So I think the point we made
a couple of weeks ago about Arizonahaving the only road sweep, well,
Arizona did it again, Arizona Statedoes it for the first time, and
now they're tied for the lead inthe conference. Do you want to go
bottom to top or top to bottom. Let's go top to bottom. Okay,
So at the top we'll start withthe Colorado and Oregon squads, both
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of those teams now sitting at nineand four. And keep in mind the
path for see you a little bitmore difficult when you consider how hard it's
been to get road sweeps. Arizona'snow done at twice, ASU picking up
their first road sweep in the Pactwelve era over the weekend. See You
finishes out the year at cal atStanford and at Washington. They have the
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LA's this week. They got togo four and one in its last five
games to get to thirteen wins.I say thirteen. Don You and I
are on the same page, Probablytwelve. I think we're looking at maybe
a tie for twelve. But ifyou get to thirteen wins, you're probably
winning the conference thirteen. If youget to thirteen, worst case, you're
in a tie for the league forthe title. Yeah. That. I
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don't think anybody's running the table fromhere on out. The league's been too
competitive. We've seen it already thatit's just with the balance of the conference.
I would be shocked. And that'snot to take anything away from Colorado,
Oregon or either of the Arizona schools. I just don't see a team
running the table the rest of theway. So if Oregon and See You,
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by the way, both go fourand one, they both sit thirteen
and five. Oregon's got a littlebit of an advantage. And I only
say little because it's just the tworoad games this week that they have and
then they flip close out at homewhere they haven't lost at matthew Nite so
far this season. I think thewinning streaks like nineteen now up to nineteen
something on those lines heading back toto last year. So you tell me,
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is there an advantage? I mean, it's one less road game,
but at the same time, seeUS road matchups don't look as difficult.
I would take it one step farther, Mike that Colorado and Oregon only have
five games left. The Arizonas havesix games left, So that's one less
time that you got to rise upand at a W. So I think
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that puts Colorado and Oregon at anadvantage right off the bat. But I
was saying this Saturday during that ArizonaStanford game, there's no nights off there.
It's not like because you only havetwo road games or you have four
home games and two road games.Yeah, you'd rather have more home games
than road games. But we've seenthroughout this season that you can get beat
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at home. Arizona is a perfectexample. We know how hard it is
to win at McHale. UCLA winin there and beat them and beat them
pretty good, and so it doesn'tto me. Yes, we're gonna go
through this and we're gonna say,Okay, they only have two road games,
four home games, or somebody hasfour road games to me for this
year in this conference, it doesn'tmatter. You got to take it game
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by game, get yourself ready toplay and play well, or it doesn't
matter where you're playing home or road. Case in Point Colorado, Oregon State.
Over the weekend, you had mentionedthis on the podcast mentally get yourself
prepared, Oregon Stay. I was, you know, banging the drum that
they should still be in the conversationfor an NC doable a tournament spot.
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And I really did believe that headinginto that matchup that would have given them
five Q one wins and it'd beyou taught pretty good too. And that's
that to me is and we've talkedabout this, Mike, that it's it's
it's been fascinating, I guess isthe word to watch a team play so
well on Thursday and then not playwell Saturday or vice versa. You know,
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lay an egg on Thursday, butthen rise up on Saturday or Sunday.
It's happened all season long in theconference. Yeah, and it's it's
just it's it makes it really unpredictable, which is what we have seen so
far. But I want to getback to see you in Oregon. So
both of these teams got to gofive and excuse me, four and one
in their last five games to hitthat thirteen win mark. From an Oregon
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perspective, hottest team right now inthe conference is ASU, just by virtue
of the wins that they've had inthis winning streak, and then got Arizona.
Are you with me that it's justthey'll come up with a figure out
to split it. Probably at leaston my piece of paper, I have
them beating ASU, losing Arizona atMcHale, and then closing out with wins
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who Well, you're right in sayingthat they need a split. If they
want to win the regular season title, they have to get a split.
Here. Now, you could arguethat Arizona State, how they're playing,
is playing just as well as Arizonais, and they just beat them,
came back from twenty two down andbeat them a couple of weeks ago.
So I don't know. I thinkin a regular year, and I say
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regular meaning you know that typically Arizonahas been better than Arizona State. But
I think this year, again whatI just said, you got to look
at this road trip and say,guys, worst case we're getting a split.
Let's look at this first one andwe're gonna try and beat Arizona State.
If we don't, then we're gonnahave to find a way to win
a mchaal in the second one,because I think if if Oregon goes over
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the Arizona trip, Colorado squarely inthe driver's seed. But that doesn't mean
anything either. You know, Coloradogot beat at home by Oregon State.
Yeah, so again I go backto the initial point that you just got
to play, take it game bygame and realize that if you don't get
yourself ready to play, you're notgoing to win the game. Oh also,
I'll throw this your way. Coloradoclosing out at Cal We have seen
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this. This is on It's abundantlyobvious. Mark Fox, got those guys
playing. Everything is coming down toyou. A final possession or two in
Berkeley, and not for nothing,Stanford and Colorado the second to last week
of the season at Maples, thatone Stanford could be playing for their tournament
lives in that game like that coulddecide if Stanford is a nc DOABAA tournament
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team or going to the n IWell, and we've put Stanford outside the
race for a top four seed.I don't think they're completely out of it,
but two games back of SC andUCLA you would think they probably are.
But you're right, are still playingfor something. They're playing for,
you know, momentum heading into Vegas, they're playing for probably their NCAA tournament
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lives. You know, they've beenin every game that they've lost, they've
lost seven of eight now. ButI didn't get the sense that there's any
moping around up there or any woeis us. They're still playing. It's
just they haven't been able to getover the hump and close out games for
whatever reason. I think it's beena number of different reasons. But they're
still a dangerous team. They're stillvery good defensively. I think the Silva
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will get himself back going. Youknow, he missed a game but played
Saturday, and Stanford's going to bea tough out and you're right, they're
going to be motivated heading down thehome stretch here. They're gonna need it.
I was it depends on which bracketologistsyou're you like, or you listen
to, or think is the mostaccurate. I've seen everything from five to
now six teams in the tournament.I was watching the Utah Oregon game yesterday
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on FS one and Mike de Courcyfrom from Fox Sports had said that he
thinks Stanford is in right now,as is Arizona State. So there's obviously
the point is ASU and Stanford rightnow are sitting on that bubble. A
lot of bracketologists seem to have ASUin at this point, Stanford right there
at the line, but I stilllook at Oregon and trying to get those
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wins. I also think there's astory within the story on the matchup this
week between the Ducks and the SunDevils. Peyton Pritchard. You and I
have been talking about this for weeksand weeks and weeks. He's the player
of the year in the conference,and now all of a sudden, on
a five game winning streak, herecomes as you point to finger out one
player in particular, in Remy Martin, is there a world where Remy could
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pass Pritchard. Well, Pritchard continuesto play at a high level, but
you're right, Arizona State is exceedingthe expectations that were set earlier in the
year for them, right I mean, they're playing way better than what we
saw early in the season, andRemy's playing at a high level. Can
Remy win the player of the yearin the conference? I think Arizona State
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would have to finish ahead of Oregon, which would probably mean that Arizona State
would have to win the regular seasonconference title. And if that happens,
I think you can make a strongcase if Remy continues to play how he's
playing right now, that he shouldbe player of the Year in the conference.
But I think let's say Arizona Stateand Oregon finished tied, I think
it would be hard for anybody tomake a case for Remy over Pritchard at
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that point agreed. You know,it's I was watching Arizona State's game yesterday
and I'm sitting there and it's atough game against Cal and Remy's playing well.
Roxy Burns, seeing one of ourgood buddies, was on the call
with Corey Williams, and they startedto talk about Remy being in that conversation,
and it's hard because Remy just tookover that basketball game and it starts
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planning that seed and then I'm sittingat home Oregon Utah comes on, and
then Peyton Pritchard's like, excuse me, I'm gonna hit five threes in that
first half, and he goes fortwenty five in the game, and you
go, oh, yeah, that'sthe reason why there hasn't been competition for
Pritchard for that award. Well youwonder, though, Yeah, you wonder
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he Prichard watching the Arizona State calgame and saying to himself, well,
here comes Remy. I better Ibetter continue to hold him off with my
own play. Here you go fivethrees in the first half, twenty five
on the night. Just I wonderif he's thinking about that though, you
know, is he concerned because goback to last year, Yeah remember this
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that and he admitted this that whenPritchard wasn't voted to either of the All
Pac twelve teams, that motivated him. So I wonder if he's paying attention
now and wants to win Player ofthe Year, sees that Remy's coming,
and that's going to motivate him tokeep his level high of play. You
were talking about that in conference playas he started to creep up and then
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when we asked him, I thinkyou asked him in Vegas about that and
when he admitted, yeah, likeit was pissing me off. And then
here it is, like, youknow done, Like that's a great example
of a guy that maybe just neededa little extra motivation, Like he has
just been mission minded and on atear from the end of last season conference
tournament where he was the dude NCDOUAA tournament where he basically helped carry that
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basketball team into now player that yourconversation from the start of this year and
really even National Player of the Yearconversation. Yeah, I mean, it's
funny how stuff like that happens.And you know, even stuff below that,
there could be stuff going on athome that maybe motivates you or you
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know, on the other side,if you're not playing well as affecting you.
You know, people don't really thinkabout that. They just think of
athletes and basketball players is they showup and they play, and that's it.
In like the robots almost, Butthere's a lot of human nature that
goes into basketball and individual performance andeven team performance. And I think that
you know, the thing that happenedPritchard last year. He was slumping.
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And I remember February first of lastyear, I did Oregon at Colorado,
talked to Dane after shoot around.He couldn't figure it out, didn't know
what to do, what buttons topush? Peyton was playing poorly below his
standard, and then all of asudden, two weeks later they shot out.
It's like they were shot out ofa rocket. And it's and it's
a fine line, it's it's ayou know, it's it's it could be
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anything that that galvanizes you as anindividual or a team. And obviously Pritchard
got it in the best part forhim is he's kept it. That's the
hardest part is sometimes it's easy somethinghow do you keep it? And he's
kept it for a long time.So big credit to him and being able
to sustain it for as long ashe has. I want to get you
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on on Arizona coming up here ina second, because you had that matchup
against Stanford over the weekend. Butone note on Colorado. They to me
and I know they lost the gamein Eugene. It was a twenty to
nothing run in the first half,and in the second half, we're going
to have like a fifteen two runand obviously goes and wins that basketball game.
I think the most impressive thing fromTad's team. Look, winning in
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Eugene is really hard, and Ithink everyone understands that that's listening to this
podcast. But for Colorado to goto Corvallis and win the way that they
did, like the Beeves just theyweren't in the game, like the Colorado
just took it. And you saythis all the time, I kind of,
you know, put your throat,you know, put your foot on
the your opposition's throat. And theydid exactly. Like to me, that
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was that was a business road tripthe way they handled Ore again State Yeah,
and again going back to motivation,you know they want to Tad admitted
to us a few weeks back whenwe had him on this podcast. Did
they talk about winning the regular seasontitle a lot? So they want to
win it. They lose in Eugene, so if they want to win it,
they have to have that one inCorvallis. And they knew it.
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And that's a sign of a goodteam, but also a motivated team.
They it came out with a tonof motivation and resolve and will and toughness.
And they just took that game,and that may be a game that
we look at that and say thatsplit in Oregon is what kept them alive
for the regular season title and maybethem winning it in March Oregon. And
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see you both go four and one, both get to thirteen and five.
For anyone who's wondering, you'd haveco regular season champs. That's how that
would play out. Seeding then wouldbe determined by their record against the team
that finishes behind them below them.So I don't know if you call that
second place as our I guess technicallythird. I don't know what the exact
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verbiage is. But the point isthe team with the second best record,
right so I have no clue whothat's going to be. Maybe it's Arizona,
maybe it's Asu. It'll be funto figure out who that squad is
going to be, but Arizona.Right now? What if we have four
teams at thirteen and five, that'sgood? Yeah, you know what.
I actually, as you're talking,I'm gonna go text our good buddy Dave
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Hirsch and maybe Tave's got an answerfor something like that. I guess it
would drop down to the record againstthe fifth team. Yeah, I mean,
could you have three? It wouldit be like co champs, Like
is that yeah? Because remember theconference champion really is the tournament champion,
which I hate, and we talkedabout that with Tad too, Like the
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official PAC twelve champion is whoever winsin Vegas, but it would be co
champions for the regular season, butit would just we're talking about how the
seating would go four Vegas if therewas a tie. Yeah, Okay,
I just fired off the text tohim, So hopefully we have an answer
before you finish up taping this podcast. I was having a conversation with Matt
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muellbach In in studio on Saturday,just off air about dangerous teams in the
conference Arizona because of the talent anddo right three freshmen but at this point
of the year not freshman right?Are you cool with me saying that?
Like, yeah, I still thinkyou may find yourself with a little inexperience
in situations that might arise. Butyes, most definitely more experienced than they
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were in November and probably able tohandle more situations and more I guess,
yeah, situations that may come up, but you are still relying on three
young guys versus say a team likeColorado that has a ton of experience.
And we talked about that last weekabout Washington last year and all their experience
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and how it kind of really showeditself throughout the conference season and that's why
they went fifteen and three. SoI'm not saying it's going to be an
issue for Arizona. I'm just sayingthat it's been proven throughout the years that
the more experienced you are as ateam probably bodes better for you. You
look at them as the dangerous teamdown the stretch just based off of the
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talent. I mean, you sawnausea person, you know, Yeam.
I don't look at Arizona and Ihaven't seen them live in a while.
It had been like a month anda half, and when you want when
you see them live, I don'tlook at them as a dangerous team.
I look at them as one ofthe contenders. Like I think those top
four are are all the same interms of being equal in contending. I
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think you have to say sc andUcla because they're a game back, can't
be equal. But I think Arizona, I guess what I'm saying, Yam
is in three weeks. If Arizonaends up winning this thing, am I
surprised? Absolutely not. I'm nottheir talent level. Yes, they're younger,
they rely on three freshmen, butI'm not surprised if Arizona wins the
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regular season championship. Okay, howabout this question then, because I actually
slightly disagree about SC because if yousaid to me, tell me the team
who you'd want in Vegas, I'dbe hard pressed not to take us.
Now, the Pritchard factors there.I get what Colorado has been able to.
You go the three headed monster withArizona, but that front line and
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look SC won those games, theycoming off a home sweep without a congou
Like, I look at that rosternow, all of a sudden, you
told me, and you were thefirst guy that I heard talk about that
pretty consistently, and how important hisminutes we're going to be for this team
SC right now, and they've steadiedthe ship with the home wins against the
Washington's. But many they would scareme, maybe more than everyone else,
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except for the Pritchard factor. Okay, right, and I get so let's
fast forward to the Pac twelve tournament. Sure I wouldn't be surprised if any
of the six that we're talking aboutthat are playing for the top four seeds
won the PAC twelve tournament. Iwas talking about the race for the regular
season conference title, it wouldn't besurprised. Yeah. But look, if
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you said, hey, don youhave to take USC to win the PAC
twelve tournament, Fine, I'll takehim because I think and we've seen how
balanced this conferences this year, andthat there is no you know, it's
ironic we're talking about separation with thetop six versus the bottom six, but
there really isn't that much separation ifyou're talking about a one game series between
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each team, and that's what itis once you get to Vegas as a
one game deal. And so hey, I'll ride with USC in Vegas.
Sure, I'll ride with UCLA,I'll ride with Arizona, I'll ride with
CALL. I'll ride with any ofthose teams. You like, a a
certain profile for a team to winfour consecutive games. Is there a roster
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that we have in the top sixthat might have an advantage because of how
they're built. I think it's ateam that shoots it well, and so
like, let's go, let's dropdown to Stamford. They have plenty of
shooting. I think they're still inthe lead in conference games in three point
shooting percentage wise. So as muchas they're slumping right now, Stamford,
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what if they got hot heading intoVegas from behind the three point line?
What if Terry got hot and SpencerJones and Isaac Wide all the sud emerged
and got a bigger opportunity to Silvalike they could run the table just with
their hot perimeter shooting. So Ithink the profile for me is you have
to be able to guard what Stanforddoes. And to me, a team
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that gets hot individual gets hot,but also a team gets hot from behind
the line, and Stanford kind offits that profile. But they have to
get things back in order and getsome confidence back and win some of these
games so that they could build somemomentum heading into Vegas. You worried about
the mental makeup. I know yousaid, hey, no one's moping around,
But my look, we were justtalking about your son's team right over
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the weekend they played, and you'replaying him up in competition. But sometimes
you got to play him, youknow, back to the kids his own
age, because they gotta get somegota get some wins. You don't want
to break someone. I almost feellike that Stanford loss against usc LA,
They're just not getting over the hump. And I don't know how to.
And this is no knock on JaredHalf or their players or their coaching staff,
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but it's human nature. I usethat term earlier, like it has
to be affecting you now because youwere playing so well, you were four
and o in the conference. Youwere rolling, and then that happened.
And ever since that sc game,it hasn't been right. And so they're
going to have to figure out away to get themselves out of it.
And I think the only way youdo it is by getting a win.
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They get a win, maybe theyget some confidence back, and they get
back on track and get back towinning games like they were, you know
in November and December in the firstpart of the conference. You use this
phrase all the time. Defense travels. They travels, you know, at
least statistically, some metrics will tellyou Stanford's the best defensive team right now
in this conference, and you're right, I would say this. I would
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say this, Yeam, Arizona wasthe better defensive team on Saturday night,
and that's why they won. Andthis is my other, you know,
not my other. You just saidit. Their defense traveled to Maples and
got them that win. Because thatwas a grinder. There was a ton
of all it's called. It waschoppy, it was a defensive game.
Arizona's defense was better on Saturday night. I want to get john Nico Mannion
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because he's going to be your nextlevel focus as we talk about guys in
their paths to the NBA. ButI'd be remiss if I didn't talk about
the team that whose uniform used towear CLA still in the mix right now.
I was doing the winlass deal ontheir schedule. I think there's a
world where maybe they finished two andthree and maybe I'm just not showing enough
respect to this basketball team down thestretch. But I don't know. I
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mean, what are you seeing fromthese guys? I think that that UCLA
in Arizona State or the opposite ofwhat's happening with Stanford, like they saw
they got a couple of wins andthey're like, wait a second, this
is working. Let's keep going.And it just keeps building and building.
And now UCLA in Arizona State orplaying with a ton of confidence, and
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so that's hard to turn off ifyou're playing either of those two teams.
But I think UCLA finally got whatMcK cronin was selling, and that's that
we have to be locked in everyday in practice on the defensive end,
and we have to be locked inevery game on the defensive end, especially
to the scouting report, and thatwill help our offense. And I think
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that's exactly what's happened. Chris Smithhas emerged as their number one guy offensively
and he's delivered, but they're gettingcontributions from a lot of guys. Hawkes
has had a great year as afreshman. Cody Riley carried him in overtime
the other night against Washington State.But if you have this collective buying on
the defensive end and you see resultsfrom it, and that's what's happened.
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UCLA is now seeing results of buyingin on that end to the floor and
then it just keeps building and building. And that's why UCLA's back in the
race and has a chance for atop four seed in Vegas and or a
share of the conference title. IsRiley now option to three? I mean,
I obviously Smith has been the guyyou mentioned Kez Riley what and you
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had that game on on pat twelvenetwork. I think you or JB had
said best stretch of Riley's career inthat overtime and hard to argue with those
eleven points and he goes for nineteen. The guy couldn't miss. He was
nine at ten from the floor.Files it up with another good performance against
Washington. Like, is he nowthe guy that we point to down the
stretch? Maybe? I mean someguys just you know, Riley was highly
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regarded coming out of high school andsome guys for whatever reason. And I
mentioned it earlier about stuff going onat home. People in your ear maybe
not the role you envisioned right away. And I said it during that game
Thursday night, if Cody Riley wouldjust play hard, good things would happen.
And you know what, he justplayed hard at the end of the
regulation, in and overtime and notgood great things happened. And then he
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carried it over to the Washington game. So he may have found his formula,
which is as simple as it sounds, just play hard. Because he's
one of the best low post playersin our league on the block. Like
his footwork and his toughness and hisstrength. He can score down there as
well as anybody in the conference.But he just for whatever reason, wasn't
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playing with the sense of urgency thathe needed to. So maybe he's found
something, and if he has,he is going to be a major weapon
for Mick Cronin in UCLA. AllRight, a big time focus on Arizona's
point guard, Nico Mannion coming uphere in just a couple of minutes.
Just keep in mind, we gotDon's story coming up. Don, you
and I have been doing this podcastall season long. Appreciate everyone who's been
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writing those reviews. Continue to subscribe, rate and review. I've seen a
couple that were some new ones onApple. Podcast really does help some of
our metrics. So I should havementioned that a little bit earlier in the
show. So just keep in mindyou see it on social media spread.
It certainly helps me. Don andAri, who's been working tirelessly. He
said that word, you got itright. Yeah, I messed it up
on television practice every morning throughout thecourse of the day, and I make
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myself say it fifteen times before Igo to sleep. But now the focus
in on Don's story. The storytime with Don McClean is always This year
we've we've kind of been flip flopping. It hasn't been so much stories as
thoughts, thoughts that come to myhead and I try and you know,
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when it is a thought, Itry and intertwine it into you know,
maybe something that when I played andyou mentioned my youngest son a few minutes
ago, but my oldest son isin the playoffs, his high school playoffs,
and they're in the third round tomorrownight, Tuesday night, and I
started thinking about his team and howit kind of pertains to not only the
Pac twelve, but college basketball andeven NBA basketball in the fact that they're
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overachieving. You know, nobody thoughtthat his team was going to be very
good this year, including me,and they went undefeated in their league and
now they're sitting here in the thirdround of the playoffs and probably a favorite
to get to the semi finals onFriday. And you look at their team
and it's a bunch of undersized guys. Their tallest guy is six three,
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and so you ask yourself, andearly in the year it jumped off the
page for two things, how hardthey play and how unselfish they are,
and so fast forward that so lastnight, my son's birthday is Wednesday,
and he had a party last night, you know, to watch the NBA
All Star Game. And I alwayswonder about locker rooms. You know,
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we're not in there and we don'tsee how guys are. Do they like
each other? Do they really likeeach other? And so at this party
last night, I'm watching these kidsall sit around and watch this NBA All
Star Game, and I was struckby how much they seemingly like each other.
And so after they all left,I started thinking about it. I'm
like, so you have a teamthat's overachieved, that's way better than you
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thought. You look at it,you watch him play, and you say,
okay, they play really hard,they play together, and then you
see that they really like each other. And so that's how you have a
team that overachieves and does way morethan anyone expected. And so I just
wonder what teams in our league,in the Pact twelve, what does that
locker room look like? And dothey play hard and play together. I
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talked last week about individually, howimportant is basketball to you and your individual
performance, But when I think aboutthe teams that I was on when I
played, the teams that played thatreally liked each other overachieved. And I'll
give you an example. My senioryear at UCLA. We were a preseason
top five team and we won alot of games, but the reason we
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didn't get to a Final four iswe were not on the same page.
And I'm not going to go asfar to say we didn't like each other,
but there was a lot of competitionamongst each other and we were not
together and that and you ask anyof them, Tracy Murray, Gerald Mackins,
Derek Martin, you ask anybody onthat team, and sitting here at
fifty years old, they will alladmit we were not on the same page
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together. We were. We werearguably the best team in the country that
year, but fell short of ourgoals because we didn't like each other as
much as we should have. Wedidn't give of each other as much as
we should have, and that's whatyou get. And so that thought kind
of jumped into my head last night, and I thought I would share that
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on the story time, that thatstill matters in a day and age of
social media and everybody's faces being intheir phones twenty four to seven. If
you can get a locker room thatlikes each other and it's together, and
that will translate to playing hard andplaying together. You're probably gonna have something
two things. One what you justsaid, and I don't know, and
you had them a bunch last year. It just reminds me of watching you
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Dub from a season ago. Forwhatever reason, every time I watched one
of their games, it felt likethe guys legitimately liked each other. Yeah,
and that's I'm not saying that theydon't this year, but obviously the
results haven't been the same, andit's in a lot of ways a dramatically
different basketball team from a personnel standpoint. Me starting five is you know,
swapped out with basically new players.But circling back to your team, you
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just said, Hey, we didn'tmaybe like each other as as much as
you know we should have or couldhave like to me, isn't that just
use the phrase human nature earlier?Yeah, sometimes personality is just clash,
Like there's no way. That's oneof those things when a coach is building
a team, right and he's outthere recruiting, like, you don't know
how some of these pieces personality wiseare going to fit they're wrong. When
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when you have guys that that arelooking to the next level and look,
I'm so, I'm including myself andI may have been the worst, the
worst UM instigator, I guess ofthis. The guys are looking to the
next level UM and what what howyour performance and what how that's going to
be viewed? Enough? I'm notgetting my twenty how's that gonna look?
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And then you look across the courtand there's three other guys thinking the same
thing. We just didn't give enoughof each other, of ourselves for each
other. And again, I'm notsaying we didn't like each other. I
don't think it was that. Itwasn't like, oh I hate that guy.
It was just everybody had their ownagenda and wasn't willing to sacrifice that.
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And that's part of it, youknow. And again you ask anybody
on that team, they will admitthat that we should have gotten a minimum
to a final four, and wedidn't because that stuff got in the way.
Any team that you've seen this yearin our league that looks like they
really get along, yeah, that'sa good question, you see that would
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see you a little bit those guys. Yeah, I think so. The
hard part, yam is it's hardto pick it out during a game because
everybody's competing and you don't really seeit unless a guy goes to the bench
and is sulking or something like that. Where you really need to see it
is in the locker room. Likethat's when you see Like if you walk
into a locker room and guys arelaughing and talking, if the locker rooms
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silent, Now, winning and losingcould affect that, But the locker room
is where you can tell how ateam is with each other. It's hard
to it's hard to it's hard toreally pick it out when you're watching a
game. One team that very easilycould have had three dudes all different agendas
and it looks like they're coming togetherat the right time is Arizonas, and
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I want to focus in on oneplayer in particular, then the back twelve
to the NBA. All right,Mike, let's talk about Nicomami and highly
regarded coming out of high school thebest high school point guard in the country
by most recruiting services. Heard alot about him. He was famous before
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he ever got to Arizona. Mykids knew about him. He was a
big social media presence and he hasn'tdisappointed. And when you talk about Nico
Mannion playing at the next level,the physical attributes are there, like he
jumps really well. But what setshim apart for me is is burst.
He's got a burst that all NBAplayers need to have, and he has
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it not only from like a standstill in the half court getting by a
guy, but he's got a burstin the open court where he can change
gears and blow pass people. Andso that's why I think people are NBA
people are excited about him. Hehasn't shot it as well as I think
a lot of people thought he would, and I chalk that up to just
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being a freshman, you know,the line moving back a little bit.
But if you look at him mechanically, he is sound. He looks like
a good shooter. So NBA people, and I've talked to NBA people about
him and about this that once it'sjust pure basketball, and it's basketball all
day and there is no more school. And you know, I've had that
conversation with a lot of NBA peoplethat once you get rid of everything else
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and it's just about basketball because that'syour job. You would think that Manion
will improve, and I think hewill. I don't think anybody's worried about
Nico Manion as a shooter at thenext level. Decision making, you know,
he shows his age a little bitthere sometimes this year at Arizona,
where maybe a pass he should havekept, or you know, the decision
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to try and thread the needle,things like that, where I wouldn't say,
I wouldn't say he's a great decisionmaker, but I wouldn't say he's
a poor decision making maker either.You know that hard that position he plays
is awfully hard. To make thejump from high school to college isn't easy.
And he'll make the jump next yearto the NBA, or we assume
we don't know that that he willmake the jump next year to the NBA
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level and there's going to be alot of responsibility there, and I think
his decision making will come along.He seems like a smart kid, but
it's really just reps and being indifferent situations and being presented different looks defensively
to improve that decision making. ButI think he's going to be a very
good pro because all those things Ijust said. The shooting will improve,
and I think once he does startto really shoot it at a high level,
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he'll grow even more as a player. But he's had a really good
year. It's still a long waysto go for Arizona. There for sure
an NCAA tournament team. They're tryingto win the regular season title. They're
going to try and win in Vegas. So a lot of games left for
Nico Mannion, but for sure goingto be a very good NBA player at
some point. I want to circleback on something you said it with regard
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to the shooting, because I'm lookingat some of these numbers and they,
especially in the last couple of weeks, they haven't been great at a high
percentage of two for ten to threefor nine and two for fourteen five or
fourteen three for ten, Like,there's a couple of those games. Last
week when I was working with Casey, he did a breakdown where he talked
about catch and shoot versus off thedribble, and Nico he picked a bunch
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of plays where just off the dribble, like he just struggles. There is
there something as a guy that hadas much success as you had, Is
there something that you can do asas a guy that wants to play in
the NBA, like Nico does toimprove the off the dribble success when you're
trying to trying to shoot, well, a couple of things there. Number
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one, it's way harder to shootoff the dribble than it is catching shoot,
So you start with that, andyou back up to Nico Mannion is
a high school player and that burst. Okay, what did that burst do
for him? In high school?It got him past defenders into the rim
way more than he does now,so he didn't have to rely on catching
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shoot. He didn't have to relyon one two dribble pull up in high
school because he could blow by whoeverhe wanted and finish in the paint and
at the rim. So it's probablymore of a new thing for him.
And again I go back to themechanics. If your sound mechanically but you're
not shooting as higher percentage, thenit just comes down to reps and confidence.
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And I think the more he moretime he spends on shooting shots that
are available now versus what was availablein high school, he will improve.
He didn't have to shoot jumpers inhigh school. Now he does, and
he will at the next level.So I'm sure he's spending time as as
he's moving along in his year atArizona, but that will continue to develop.
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And again I'm not worried about himas a shooter, because mechanically he
looks good. Now, it's justa matter of reps and confidence done anything
on these like his shot and you'rethe pro and you guys, you get
ready, guys, you get guysready for the draft. It looks like
a pretty shot. But from aspeed standpoint, is it slow? Um?
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You know, it's a good question. I didn't watch him saying,
and I've said this about players.I didn't watch him saying, Man,
he is going to have to speedthat release up now. If he turns
into a really good pro, hewill. And guys that are really good
pros have different speeds of releases.Like I had three different releases on my
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shot, and I just developed thatover time because I needed him, I
needed to use them. And Ithink good pros do that too. Like
if you get a catch and shootingthere's nobody around you, you may ratchet
down that speed, ratchet down thatspeed a little bit. If you see
a guy closing, do you havethe ability to get it away quicker and
still make it so that's just prostuff that I think he will develop because
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I think he's going to be inthe league for a long time. But
I didn't. I didn't at anypoint Yam watch him and say to myself,
man, that thing needs to getfaster, which I have said about
other players. Yeah, just somethingthat you can kind of just pick up
on. But you're right. Theone thing that's abundantly clear that looks like
a next level skill set is thatfirst step. That burst. I mean,
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to get from zero to one hundredwithin a blink of an eye is
really impressive watching him and maybe Manningfigures out some of the percentages on the
shooting side over these next couple ofweeks because the Wildcats certainly in the conversation.
It was awesome to talk to Zegnageon PAC twelve network when that game
was over against Stanford. It looksspeaking of guys that look like they're having
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fun na, she's one of thoseplayers. But Arizona in the mix right
now for a regular season championship,meets some wins down the stretch, and
certainly a big opportunity with Oregon intown later this week. Don always a
blast working with you, my friend, hopefully we'll do this well, I
shouldn't say hopefully we will do itagain next week, as long as we're
on the wake up list and we'llhandle business. They are always appreciate everyone
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Inside Pack twelve Women's basketball podcast.Ashley Adamson as well as Mary Murphy.
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we go far and you're on thestores to take you from conference play
all the way to the final fourwith some hoop kind of swords, just
walking you through the game. Ihit your host, Mike Gammon the board
dumb acclaim, Hey, all right, we've been asking for it and we
finally what I would all true separation. There is a fine line in the
middle of the conference. Actually rightin the middle of the conference. I'll
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say, the teams that are fourlosses and five loss teams, they are
at the top half, and thenthere's everyone else. You buying that,
I am buying that. I thinkwe're deep enough into the season now,
Yamer, that I would be shockedin Stamford's two losses behind, you know,
the next tier if they could winout and get you know, all
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the way up to the top.I think. Or the teams with four
losses are in the driver's seat Oregon, Arizona, Arizona State, and Colorado,
and then you got SC and UCLAright behind them one game behind.
So it's six teams fighting for thosetop four seeds, which gets you buy
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in the first round of the PACtwelve tournament. So it's going to be
fascinating to watch. But yes,I agree, I think it's those six
teams fighting for those four seeds.All right, So you and I what
we decided to do today, donand that is just go through the top
six their path to try to geta four seed in Vegas. And for
a lot of these teams, Imean at least the top four. Look,
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I mean, I guess I've seenUCLA or in the thick of things,
I'll include them in the conversation forgetting a regular season conference counts because
it's the one game difference. Butthe reality is I still think it's really
the top four in the driver's seat, and the Arizona school still needs some
work to get done. So youand I will will go through a couple
of the different scenarios. It wasgoing through schedules where everyone is at some
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of those tie breakers. Keep inmind I had asked Dave Hirstis Casey Jacobson
was in studio with me on Thursdayand we were going through all these different
scenarios because that was the night ofthe Colorado Oregon game, and in a
lot of ways, that one helpsdecide where that one is going to go
a long way in deciding who winsthe conference championship. Oregan obviously needed it,
and they're in pretty good shape rightnow as a SEU. Obviously split
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on the road trip, and thatwas actually a pretty exciting game. I
know you were on air calling theArizona Stanford game over the weekend, so
you didn't get to see the broadcastso much, did you know? You
know what? Though you am realquick. Let's let's talk about before we
get to each team individually, whywe're in Why why all of a sudden
this week we're talking about separation,and it's the sweeps. Both Arizona teams
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road sweeps to put themselves in position. Well, can I throw us something
your way? By the way,on ASU, Bobby Hurley has never had
a road sweep right before, right, it's so then the home sweeps SCUCLA
home sweeps to keep themselves in position. And I think Colorado, you're looking
at it from their standpoint, theygot the split and that's basically all they
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needed to keep themselves in the lead. So I think the point we made
a couple of weeks ago about Arizonahaving the only road sweep, well,
Arizona did it again, Arizona Statedoes it for the first time, and
now they're tied for the lead inthe conference. Do you want to go
bottom to top or top to bottom. Let's go top to bottom. Okay,
So at the top we'll start withthe Colorado and Oregon squads, both
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of those teams now sitting at nineand four. And keep in mind the
path for see you a little bitmore difficult when you consider how hard it's
been to get road sweeps. Arizona'snow done at twice, ASU picking up
their first road sweep in the Pactwelve era over the weekend. See You
finishes out the year at cal atStanford and at Washington. They have the
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LA's this week. They got togo four and one in its last five
games to get to thirteen wins.I say thirteen. Don You and I
are on the same page, Probablytwelve. I think we're looking at maybe
a tie for twelve. But ifyou get to thirteen wins, you're probably
winning the conference thirteen. If youget to thirteen, worst case, you're
in a tie for the league forthe title. Yeah. That. I
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don't think anybody's running the table fromhere on out. The league's been too
competitive. We've seen it already thatit's just with the balance of the conference.
I would be shocked. And that'snot to take anything away from Colorado,
Oregon or either of the Arizona schools. I just don't see a team
running the table the rest of theway. So if Oregon and See You,
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by the way, both go fourand one, they both sit thirteen
and five. Oregon's got a littlebit of an advantage. And I only
say little because it's just the tworoad games this week that they have and
then they flip close out at homewhere they haven't lost at matthew Nite so
far this season. I think thewinning streaks like nineteen now up to nineteen
something on those lines heading back toto last year. So you tell me,
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is there an advantage? I mean, it's one less road game,
but at the same time, seeUS road matchups don't look as difficult.
I would take it one step farther, Mike that Colorado and Oregon only have
five games left. The Arizonas havesix games left, So that's one less
time that you got to rise upand at a W. So I think
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that puts Colorado and Oregon at anadvantage right off the bat. But I
was saying this Saturday during that ArizonaStanford game, there's no nights off there.
It's not like because you only havetwo road games or you have four
home games and two road games.Yeah, you'd rather have more home games
than road games. But we've seenthroughout this season that you can get beat
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at home. Arizona is a perfectexample. We know how hard it is
to win at McHale. UCLA winin there and beat them and beat them
pretty good, and so it doesn'tto me. Yes, we're gonna go
through this and we're gonna say,Okay, they only have two road games,
four home games, or somebody hasfour road games to me for this
year in this conference, it doesn'tmatter. You got to take it game
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by game, get yourself ready toplay and play well, or it doesn't
matter where you're playing home or road. Case in Point Colorado, Oregon State.
Over the weekend, you had mentionedthis on the podcast mentally get yourself
prepared, Oregon Stay. I was, you know, banging the drum that
they should still be in the conversationfor an NC doable a tournament spot.
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And I really did believe that headinginto that matchup that would have given them
five Q one wins and it'd beyou taught pretty good too. And that's
that to me is and we've talkedabout this, Mike, that it's it's
it's been fascinating, I guess isthe word to watch a team play so
well on Thursday and then not playwell Saturday or vice versa. You know,
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lay an egg on Thursday, butthen rise up on Saturday or Sunday.
It's happened all season long in theconference. Yeah, and it's it's
just it's it makes it really unpredictable, which is what we have seen so
far. But I want to getback to see you in Oregon. So
both of these teams got to gofive and excuse me, four and one
in their last five games to hitthat thirteen win mark. From an Oregon
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perspective, hottest team right now inthe conference is ASU, just by virtue
of the wins that they've had inthis winning streak, and then got Arizona.
Are you with me that it's justthey'll come up with a figure out
to split it. Probably at leaston my piece of paper, I have
them beating ASU, losing Arizona atMcHale, and then closing out with wins
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who Well, you're right in sayingthat they need a split. If they
want to win the regular season title, they have to get a split.
Here. Now, you could arguethat Arizona State, how they're playing,
is playing just as well as Arizonais, and they just beat them,
came back from twenty two down andbeat them a couple of weeks ago.
So I don't know. I thinkin a regular year, and I say
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regular meaning you know that typically Arizonahas been better than Arizona State. But
I think this year, again whatI just said, you got to look
at this road trip and say,guys, worst case we're getting a split.
Let's look at this first one andwe're gonna try and beat Arizona State.
If we don't, then we're gonnahave to find a way to win
a mchaal in the second one,because I think if if Oregon goes over
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the Arizona trip, Colorado squarely inthe driver's seed. But that doesn't mean
anything either. You know, Coloradogot beat at home by Oregon State.
Yeah, so again I go backto the initial point that you just got
to play, take it game bygame and realize that if you don't get
yourself ready to play, you're notgoing to win the game. Oh also,
I'll throw this your way. Coloradoclosing out at Cal We have seen
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this. This is on It's abundantlyobvious. Mark Fox, got those guys
playing. Everything is coming down toyou. A final possession or two in
Berkeley, and not for nothing,Stanford and Colorado the second to last week
of the season at Maples, thatone Stanford could be playing for their tournament
lives in that game like that coulddecide if Stanford is a nc DOABAA tournament
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team or going to the n IWell, and we've put Stanford outside the
race for a top four seed.I don't think they're completely out of it,
but two games back of SC andUCLA you would think they probably are.
But you're right, are still playingfor something. They're playing for,
you know, momentum heading into Vegas, they're playing for probably their NCAA tournament
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lives. You know, they've beenin every game that they've lost, they've
lost seven of eight now. ButI didn't get the sense that there's any
moping around up there or any woeis us. They're still playing. It's
just they haven't been able to getover the hump and close out games for
whatever reason. I think it's beena number of different reasons. But they're
still a dangerous team. They're stillvery good defensively. I think the Silva
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will get himself back going. Youknow, he missed a game but played
Saturday, and Stanford's going to bea tough out and you're right, they're
going to be motivated heading down thehome stretch here. They're gonna need it.
I was it depends on which bracketologistsyou're you like, or you listen
to, or think is the mostaccurate. I've seen everything from five to
now six teams in the tournament.I was watching the Utah Oregon game yesterday
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on FS one and Mike de Courcyfrom from Fox Sports had said that he
thinks Stanford is in right now,as is Arizona State. So there's obviously
the point is ASU and Stanford rightnow are sitting on that bubble. A
lot of bracketologists seem to have ASUin at this point, Stanford right there
at the line, but I stilllook at Oregon and trying to get those
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wins. I also think there's astory within the story on the matchup this
week between the Ducks and the SunDevils. Peyton Pritchard. You and I
have been talking about this for weeksand weeks and weeks. He's the player
of the year in the conference,and now all of a sudden, on
a five game winning streak, herecomes as you point to finger out one
player in particular, in Remy Martin, is there a world where Remy could
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pass Pritchard. Well, Pritchard continuesto play at a high level, but
you're right, Arizona State is exceedingthe expectations that were set earlier in the
year for them, right I mean, they're playing way better than what we
saw early in the season, andRemy's playing at a high level. Can
Remy win the player of the yearin the conference? I think Arizona State
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would have to finish ahead of Oregon, which would probably mean that Arizona State
would have to win the regular seasonconference title. And if that happens,
I think you can make a strongcase if Remy continues to play how he's
playing right now, that he shouldbe player of the Year in the conference.
But I think let's say Arizona Stateand Oregon finished tied, I think
it would be hard for anybody tomake a case for Remy over Pritchard at
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that point agreed. You know,it's I was watching Arizona State's game yesterday
and I'm sitting there and it's atough game against Cal and Remy's playing well.
Roxy Burns, seeing one of ourgood buddies, was on the call
with Corey Williams, and they startedto talk about Remy being in that conversation,
and it's hard because Remy just tookover that basketball game and it starts
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planning that seed and then I'm sittingat home Oregon Utah comes on, and
then Peyton Pritchard's like, excuse me, I'm gonna hit five threes in that
first half, and he goes fortwenty five in the game, and you
go, oh, yeah, that'sthe reason why there hasn't been competition for
Pritchard for that award. Well youwonder, though, Yeah, you wonder
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he Prichard watching the Arizona State calgame and saying to himself, well,
here comes Remy. I better Ibetter continue to hold him off with my
own play. Here you go fivethrees in the first half, twenty five
on the night. Just I wonderif he's thinking about that though, you
know, is he concerned because goback to last year, Yeah remember this
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that and he admitted this that whenPritchard wasn't voted to either of the All
Pac twelve teams, that motivated him. So I wonder if he's paying attention
now and wants to win Player ofthe Year, sees that Remy's coming,
and that's going to motivate him tokeep his level high of play. You
were talking about that in conference playas he started to creep up and then
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when we asked him, I thinkyou asked him in Vegas about that and
when he admitted, yeah, likeit was pissing me off. And then
here it is, like, youknow done, Like that's a great example
of a guy that maybe just neededa little extra motivation, Like he has
just been mission minded and on atear from the end of last season conference
tournament where he was the dude NCDOUAA tournament where he basically helped carry that
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basketball team into now player that yourconversation from the start of this year and
really even National Player of the Yearconversation. Yeah, I mean, it's
funny how stuff like that happens.And you know, even stuff below that,
there could be stuff going on athome that maybe motivates you or you
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know, on the other side,if you're not playing well as affecting you.
You know, people don't really thinkabout that. They just think of
athletes and basketball players is they showup and they play, and that's it.
In like the robots almost, Butthere's a lot of human nature that
goes into basketball and individual performance andeven team performance. And I think that
you know, the thing that happenedPritchard last year. He was slumping.
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And I remember February first of lastyear, I did Oregon at Colorado,
talked to Dane after shoot around.He couldn't figure it out, didn't know
what to do, what buttons topush? Peyton was playing poorly below his
standard, and then all of asudden, two weeks later they shot out.
It's like they were shot out ofa rocket. And it's and it's
a fine line, it's it's ayou know, it's it's it could be
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anything that that galvanizes you as anindividual or a team. And obviously Pritchard
got it in the best part forhim is he's kept it. That's the
hardest part is sometimes it's easy somethinghow do you keep it? And he's
kept it for a long time.So big credit to him and being able
to sustain it for as long ashe has. I want to get you
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on on Arizona coming up here ina second, because you had that matchup
against Stanford over the weekend. Butone note on Colorado. They to me
and I know they lost the gamein Eugene. It was a twenty to
nothing run in the first half,and in the second half, we're going
to have like a fifteen two runand obviously goes and wins that basketball game.
I think the most impressive thing fromTad's team. Look, winning in
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Eugene is really hard, and Ithink everyone understands that that's listening to this
podcast. But for Colorado to goto Corvallis and win the way that they
did, like the Beeves just theyweren't in the game, like the Colorado
just took it. And you saythis all the time, I kind of,
you know, put your throat,you know, put your foot on
the your opposition's throat. And theydid exactly. Like to me, that
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was that was a business road tripthe way they handled Ore again State Yeah,
and again going back to motivation,you know they want to Tad admitted
to us a few weeks back whenwe had him on this podcast. Did
they talk about winning the regular seasontitle a lot? So they want to
win it. They lose in Eugene, so if they want to win it,
they have to have that one inCorvallis. And they knew it.
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And that's a sign of a goodteam, but also a motivated team.
They it came out with a tonof motivation and resolve and will and toughness.
And they just took that game,and that may be a game that
we look at that and say thatsplit in Oregon is what kept them alive
for the regular season title and maybethem winning it in March Oregon. And
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see you both go four and one, both get to thirteen and five.
For anyone who's wondering, you'd haveco regular season champs. That's how that
would play out. Seeding then wouldbe determined by their record against the team
that finishes behind them below them.So I don't know if you call that
second place as our I guess technicallythird. I don't know what the exact
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verbiage is. But the point isthe team with the second best record,
right so I have no clue whothat's going to be. Maybe it's Arizona,
maybe it's Asu. It'll be funto figure out who that squad is
going to be, but Arizona.Right now? What if we have four
teams at thirteen and five, that'sgood? Yeah, you know what.
I actually, as you're talking,I'm gonna go text our good buddy Dave
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Hirsch and maybe Tave's got an answerfor something like that. I guess it
would drop down to the record againstthe fifth team. Yeah, I mean,
could you have three? It wouldit be like co champs, Like
is that yeah? Because remember theconference champion really is the tournament champion,
which I hate, and we talkedabout that with Tad too, Like the
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official PAC twelve champion is whoever winsin Vegas, but it would be co
champions for the regular season, butit would just we're talking about how the
seating would go four Vegas if therewas a tie. Yeah, Okay,
I just fired off the text tohim, So hopefully we have an answer
before you finish up taping this podcast. I was having a conversation with Matt
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muellbach In in studio on Saturday,just off air about dangerous teams in the
conference Arizona because of the talent anddo right three freshmen but at this point
of the year not freshman right?Are you cool with me saying that?
Like, yeah, I still thinkyou may find yourself with a little inexperience
in situations that might arise. Butyes, most definitely more experienced than they
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were in November and probably able tohandle more situations and more I guess,
yeah, situations that may come up, but you are still relying on three
young guys versus say a team likeColorado that has a ton of experience.
And we talked about that last weekabout Washington last year and all their experience
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and how it kind of really showeditself throughout the conference season and that's why
they went fifteen and three. SoI'm not saying it's going to be an
issue for Arizona. I'm just sayingthat it's been proven throughout the years that
the more experienced you are as ateam probably bodes better for you. You
look at them as the dangerous teamdown the stretch just based off of the
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talent. I mean, you sawnausea person, you know, Yeam.
I don't look at Arizona and Ihaven't seen them live in a while.
It had been like a month anda half, and when you want when
you see them live, I don'tlook at them as a dangerous team.
I look at them as one ofthe contenders. Like I think those top
four are are all the same interms of being equal in contending. I
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think you have to say sc andUcla because they're a game back, can't
be equal. But I think Arizona, I guess what I'm saying, Yam
is in three weeks. If Arizonaends up winning this thing, am I
surprised? Absolutely not. I'm nottheir talent level. Yes, they're younger,
they rely on three freshmen, butI'm not surprised if Arizona wins the
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regular season championship. Okay, howabout this question then, because I actually
slightly disagree about SC because if yousaid to me, tell me the team
who you'd want in Vegas, I'dbe hard pressed not to take us.
Now, the Pritchard factors there.I get what Colorado has been able to.
You go the three headed monster withArizona, but that front line and
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look SC won those games, theycoming off a home sweep without a congou
Like, I look at that rosternow, all of a sudden, you
told me, and you were thefirst guy that I heard talk about that
pretty consistently, and how important hisminutes we're going to be for this team
SC right now, and they've steadiedthe ship with the home wins against the
Washington's. But many they would scareme, maybe more than everyone else,
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except for the Pritchard factor. Okay, right, and I get so let's
fast forward to the Pac twelve tournament. Sure I wouldn't be surprised if any
of the six that we're talking aboutthat are playing for the top four seeds
won the PAC twelve tournament. Iwas talking about the race for the regular
season conference title, it wouldn't besurprised. Yeah. But look, if
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you said, hey, don youhave to take USC to win the PAC
twelve tournament, Fine, I'll takehim because I think and we've seen how
balanced this conferences this year, andthat there is no you know, it's
ironic we're talking about separation with thetop six versus the bottom six, but
there really isn't that much separation ifyou're talking about a one game series between
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each team, and that's what itis once you get to Vegas as a
one game deal. And so hey, I'll ride with USC in Vegas.
Sure, I'll ride with UCLA,I'll ride with Arizona, I'll ride with
CALL. I'll ride with any ofthose teams. You like, a a
certain profile for a team to winfour consecutive games. Is there a roster
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that we have in the top sixthat might have an advantage because of how
they're built. I think it's ateam that shoots it well, and so
like, let's go, let's dropdown to Stamford. They have plenty of
shooting. I think they're still inthe lead in conference games in three point
shooting percentage wise. So as muchas they're slumping right now, Stamford,
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what if they got hot heading intoVegas from behind the three point line?
What if Terry got hot and SpencerJones and Isaac Wide all the sud emerged
and got a bigger opportunity to Silvalike they could run the table just with
their hot perimeter shooting. So Ithink the profile for me is you have
to be able to guard what Stanforddoes. And to me, a team
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that gets hot individual gets hot,but also a team gets hot from behind
the line, and Stanford kind offits that profile. But they have to
get things back in order and getsome confidence back and win some of these
games so that they could build somemomentum heading into Vegas. You worried about
the mental makeup. I know yousaid, hey, no one's moping around,
But my look, we were justtalking about your son's team right over
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the weekend they played, and you'replaying him up in competition. But sometimes
you got to play him, youknow, back to the kids his own
age, because they gotta get somegota get some wins. You don't want
to break someone. I almost feellike that Stanford loss against usc LA,
They're just not getting over the hump. And I don't know how to.
And this is no knock on JaredHalf or their players or their coaching staff,
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but it's human nature. I usethat term earlier, like it has
to be affecting you now because youwere playing so well, you were four
and o in the conference. Youwere rolling, and then that happened.
And ever since that sc game,it hasn't been right. And so they're
going to have to figure out away to get themselves out of it.
And I think the only way youdo it is by getting a win.
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They get a win, maybe theyget some confidence back, and they get
back on track and get back towinning games like they were, you know
in November and December in the firstpart of the conference. You use this
phrase all the time. Defense travels. They travels, you know, at
least statistically, some metrics will tellyou Stanford's the best defensive team right now
in this conference, and you're right, I would say this. I would
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say this, Yeam, Arizona wasthe better defensive team on Saturday night,
and that's why they won. Andthis is my other, you know,
not my other. You just saidit. Their defense traveled to Maples and
got them that win. Because thatwas a grinder. There was a ton
of all it's called. It waschoppy, it was a defensive game.
Arizona's defense was better on Saturday night. I want to get john Nico Mannion
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because he's going to be your nextlevel focus as we talk about guys in
their paths to the NBA. ButI'd be remiss if I didn't talk about
the team that whose uniform used towear CLA still in the mix right now.
I was doing the winlass deal ontheir schedule. I think there's a
world where maybe they finished two andthree and maybe I'm just not showing enough
respect to this basketball team down thestretch. But I don't know. I
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mean, what are you seeing fromthese guys? I think that that UCLA
in Arizona State or the opposite ofwhat's happening with Stanford, like they saw
they got a couple of wins andthey're like, wait a second, this
is working. Let's keep going.And it just keeps building and building.
And now UCLA in Arizona State orplaying with a ton of confidence, and
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so that's hard to turn off ifyou're playing either of those two teams.
But I think UCLA finally got whatMcK cronin was selling, and that's that
we have to be locked in everyday in practice on the defensive end,
and we have to be locked inevery game on the defensive end, especially
to the scouting report, and thatwill help our offense. And I think
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that's exactly what's happened. Chris Smithhas emerged as their number one guy offensively
and he's delivered, but they're gettingcontributions from a lot of guys. Hawkes
has had a great year as afreshman. Cody Riley carried him in overtime
the other night against Washington State.But if you have this collective buying on
the defensive end and you see resultsfrom it, and that's what's happened.
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UCLA is now seeing results of buyingin on that end to the floor and
then it just keeps building and building. And that's why UCLA's back in the
race and has a chance for atop four seed in Vegas and or a
share of the conference title. IsRiley now option to three? I mean,
I obviously Smith has been the guyyou mentioned Kez Riley what and you
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had that game on on pat twelvenetwork. I think you or JB had
said best stretch of Riley's career inthat overtime and hard to argue with those
eleven points and he goes for nineteen. The guy couldn't miss. He was
nine at ten from the floor.Files it up with another good performance against
Washington. Like, is he nowthe guy that we point to down the
stretch? Maybe? I mean someguys just you know, Riley was highly
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regarded coming out of high school andsome guys for whatever reason. And I
mentioned it earlier about stuff going onat home. People in your ear maybe
not the role you envisioned right away. And I said it during that game
Thursday night, if Cody Riley wouldjust play hard, good things would happen.
And you know what, he justplayed hard at the end of the
regulation, in and overtime and notgood great things happened. And then he
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carried it over to the Washington game. So he may have found his formula,
which is as simple as it sounds, just play hard. Because he's
one of the best low post playersin our league on the block. Like
his footwork and his toughness and hisstrength. He can score down there as
well as anybody in the conference.But he just for whatever reason, wasn't
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playing with the sense of urgency thathe needed to. So maybe he's found
something, and if he has,he is going to be a major weapon
for Mick Cronin in UCLA. AllRight, a big time focus on Arizona's
point guard, Nico Mannion coming uphere in just a couple of minutes.
Just keep in mind, we gotDon's story coming up. Don, you
and I have been doing this podcastall season long. Appreciate everyone who's been
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writing those reviews. Continue to subscribe, rate and review. I've seen a
couple that were some new ones onApple. Podcast really does help some of
our metrics. So I should havementioned that a little bit earlier in the
show. So just keep in mindyou see it on social media spread.
It certainly helps me. Don andAri, who's been working tirelessly. He
said that word, you got itright. Yeah, I messed it up
on television practice every morning throughout thecourse of the day, and I make
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myself say it fifteen times before Igo to sleep. But now the focus
in on Don's story. The storytime with Don McClean is always This year
we've we've kind of been flip flopping. It hasn't been so much stories as
thoughts, thoughts that come to myhead and I try and you know,
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when it is a thought, Itry and intertwine it into you know,
maybe something that when I played andyou mentioned my youngest son a few minutes
ago, but my oldest son isin the playoffs, his high school playoffs,
and they're in the third round tomorrownight, Tuesday night, and I
started thinking about his team and howit kind of pertains to not only the
Pac twelve, but college basketball andeven NBA basketball in the fact that they're
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overachieving. You know, nobody thoughtthat his team was going to be very
good this year, including me,and they went undefeated in their league and
now they're sitting here in the thirdround of the playoffs and probably a favorite
to get to the semi finals onFriday. And you look at their team
and it's a bunch of undersized guys. Their tallest guy is six three,
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and so you ask yourself, andearly in the year it jumped off the
page for two things, how hardthey play and how unselfish they are,
and so fast forward that so lastnight, my son's birthday is Wednesday,
and he had a party last night, you know, to watch the NBA
All Star Game. And I alwayswonder about locker rooms. You know,
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we're not in there and we don'tsee how guys are. Do they like
each other? Do they really likeeach other? And so at this party
last night, I'm watching these kidsall sit around and watch this NBA All
Star Game, and I was struckby how much they seemingly like each other.
And so after they all left,I started thinking about it. I'm
like, so you have a teamthat's overachieved, that's way better than you
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thought. You look at it,you watch him play, and you say,
okay, they play really hard,they play together, and then you
see that they really like each other. And so that's how you have a
team that overachieves and does way morethan anyone expected. And so I just
wonder what teams in our league,in the Pact twelve, what does that
locker room look like? And dothey play hard and play together. I
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talked last week about individually, howimportant is basketball to you and your individual
performance, But when I think aboutthe teams that I was on when I
played, the teams that played thatreally liked each other overachieved. And I'll
give you an example. My senioryear at UCLA. We were a preseason
top five team and we won alot of games, but the reason we
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didn't get to a Final four iswe were not on the same page.
And I'm not going to go asfar to say we didn't like each other,
but there was a lot of competitionamongst each other and we were not
together and that and you ask anyof them, Tracy Murray, Gerald Mackins,
Derek Martin, you ask anybody onthat team, and sitting here at
fifty years old, they will alladmit we were not on the same page
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together. We were. We werearguably the best team in the country that
year, but fell short of ourgoals because we didn't like each other as
much as we should have. Wedidn't give of each other as much as
we should have, and that's whatyou get. And so that thought kind
of jumped into my head last night, and I thought I would share that
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on the story time, that thatstill matters in a day and age of
social media and everybody's faces being intheir phones twenty four to seven. If
you can get a locker room thatlikes each other and it's together, and
that will translate to playing hard andplaying together. You're probably gonna have something
two things. One what you justsaid, and I don't know, and
you had them a bunch last year. It just reminds me of watching you
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Dub from a season ago. Forwhatever reason, every time I watched one
of their games, it felt likethe guys legitimately liked each other. Yeah,
and that's I'm not saying that theydon't this year, but obviously the
results haven't been the same, andit's in a lot of ways a dramatically
different basketball team from a personnel standpoint. Me starting five is you know,
swapped out with basically new players.But circling back to your team, you
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just said, Hey, we didn'tmaybe like each other as as much as
you know we should have or couldhave like to me, isn't that just
use the phrase human nature earlier?Yeah, sometimes personality is just clash,
Like there's no way. That's oneof those things when a coach is building
a team, right and he's outthere recruiting, like, you don't know
how some of these pieces personality wiseare going to fit they're wrong. When
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when you have guys that that arelooking to the next level and look,
I'm so, I'm including myself andI may have been the worst, the
worst UM instigator, I guess ofthis. The guys are looking to the
next level UM and what what howyour performance and what how that's going to
be viewed? Enough? I'm notgetting my twenty how's that gonna look?
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And then you look across the courtand there's three other guys thinking the same
thing. We just didn't give enoughof each other, of ourselves for each
other. And again, I'm notsaying we didn't like each other. I
don't think it was that. Itwasn't like, oh I hate that guy.
It was just everybody had their ownagenda and wasn't willing to sacrifice that.
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And that's part of it, youknow. And again you ask anybody
on that team, they will admitthat that we should have gotten a minimum
to a final four, and wedidn't because that stuff got in the way.
Any team that you've seen this yearin our league that looks like they
really get along, yeah, that'sa good question, you see that would
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see you a little bit those guys. Yeah, I think so. The
hard part, yam is it's hardto pick it out during a game because
everybody's competing and you don't really seeit unless a guy goes to the bench
and is sulking or something like that. Where you really need to see it
is in the locker room. Likethat's when you see Like if you walk
into a locker room and guys arelaughing and talking, if the locker rooms
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silent, Now, winning and losingcould affect that, But the locker room
is where you can tell how ateam is with each other. It's hard
to it's hard to it's hard toreally pick it out when you're watching a
game. One team that very easilycould have had three dudes all different agendas
and it looks like they're coming togetherat the right time is Arizonas, and
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I want to focus in on oneplayer in particular, then the back twelve
to the NBA. All right,Mike, let's talk about Nicomami and highly
regarded coming out of high school thebest high school point guard in the country
by most recruiting services. Heard alot about him. He was famous before
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he ever got to Arizona. Mykids knew about him. He was a
big social media presence and he hasn'tdisappointed. And when you talk about Nico
Mannion playing at the next level,the physical attributes are there, like he
jumps really well. But what setshim apart for me is is burst.
He's got a burst that all NBAplayers need to have, and he has
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it not only from like a standstill in the half court getting by a
guy, but he's got a burstin the open court where he can change
gears and blow pass people. Andso that's why I think people are NBA
people are excited about him. Hehasn't shot it as well as I think
a lot of people thought he would, and I chalk that up to just
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being a freshman, you know,the line moving back a little bit.
But if you look at him mechanically, he is sound. He looks like
a good shooter. So NBA people, and I've talked to NBA people about
him and about this that once it'sjust pure basketball, and it's basketball all
day and there is no more school. And you know, I've had that
conversation with a lot of NBA peoplethat once you get rid of everything else
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and it's just about basketball because that'syour job. You would think that Manion
will improve, and I think hewill. I don't think anybody's worried about
Nico Manion as a shooter at thenext level. Decision making, you know,
he shows his age a little bitthere sometimes this year at Arizona,
where maybe a pass he should havekept, or you know, the decision
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to try and thread the needle,things like that, where I wouldn't say,
I wouldn't say he's a great decisionmaker, but I wouldn't say he's
a poor decision making maker either.You know that hard that position he plays
is awfully hard. To make thejump from high school to college isn't easy.
And he'll make the jump next yearto the NBA, or we assume
we don't know that that he willmake the jump next year to the NBA
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level and there's going to be alot of responsibility there, and I think
his decision making will come along.He seems like a smart kid, but
it's really just reps and being indifferent situations and being presented different looks defensively
to improve that decision making. ButI think he's going to be a very
good pro because all those things Ijust said. The shooting will improve,
and I think once he does startto really shoot it at a high level,
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he'll grow even more as a player. But he's had a really good
year. It's still a long waysto go for Arizona. There for sure
an NCAA tournament team. They're tryingto win the regular season title. They're
going to try and win in Vegas. So a lot of games left for
Nico Mannion, but for sure goingto be a very good NBA player at
some point. I want to circleback on something you said it with regard
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to the shooting, because I'm lookingat some of these numbers and they,
especially in the last couple of weeks, they haven't been great at a high
percentage of two for ten to threefor nine and two for fourteen five or
fourteen three for ten, Like,there's a couple of those games. Last
week when I was working with Casey, he did a breakdown where he talked
about catch and shoot versus off thedribble, and Nico he picked a bunch
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of plays where just off the dribble, like he just struggles. There is
there something as a guy that hadas much success as you had, Is
there something that you can do asas a guy that wants to play in
the NBA, like Nico does toimprove the off the dribble success when you're
trying to trying to shoot, well, a couple of things there. Number
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one, it's way harder to shootoff the dribble than it is catching shoot,
So you start with that, andyou back up to Nico Mannion is
a high school player and that burst. Okay, what did that burst do
for him? In high school?It got him past defenders into the rim
way more than he does now,so he didn't have to rely on catching
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shoot. He didn't have to relyon one two dribble pull up in high
school because he could blow by whoeverhe wanted and finish in the paint and
at the rim. So it's probablymore of a new thing for him.
And again I go back to themechanics. If your sound mechanically but you're
not shooting as higher percentage, thenit just comes down to reps and confidence.
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And I think the more he moretime he spends on shooting shots that
are available now versus what was availablein high school, he will improve.
He didn't have to shoot jumpers inhigh school. Now he does, and
he will at the next level.So I'm sure he's spending time as as
he's moving along in his year atArizona, but that will continue to develop.
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And again I'm not worried about himas a shooter, because mechanically he
looks good. Now, it's justa matter of reps and confidence done anything
on these like his shot and you'rethe pro and you guys, you get
ready, guys, you get guysready for the draft. It looks like
a pretty shot. But from aspeed standpoint, is it slow? Um?
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You know, it's a good question. I didn't watch him saying,
and I've said this about players.I didn't watch him saying, Man,
he is going to have to speedthat release up now. If he turns
into a really good pro, hewill. And guys that are really good
pros have different speeds of releases.Like I had three different releases on my
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shot, and I just developed thatover time because I needed him, I
needed to use them. And Ithink good pros do that too. Like
if you get a catch and shootingthere's nobody around you, you may ratchet
down that speed, ratchet down thatspeed a little bit. If you see
a guy closing, do you havethe ability to get it away quicker and
still make it so that's just prostuff that I think he will develop because
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I think he's going to be inthe league for a long time. But
I didn't. I didn't at anypoint Yam watch him and say to myself,
man, that thing needs to getfaster, which I have said about
other players. Yeah, just somethingthat you can kind of just pick up
on. But you're right. Theone thing that's abundantly clear that looks like
a next level skill set is thatfirst step. That burst. I mean,
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to get from zero to one hundredwithin a blink of an eye is
really impressive watching him and maybe Manningfigures out some of the percentages on the
shooting side over these next couple ofweeks because the Wildcats certainly in the conversation.
It was awesome to talk to Zegnageon PAC twelve network when that game
was over against Stanford. It looksspeaking of guys that look like they're having
(42:06):
fun na, she's one of thoseplayers. But Arizona in the mix right
now for a regular season championship,meets some wins down the stretch, and
certainly a big opportunity with Oregon intown later this week. Don always a
blast working with you, my friend, hopefully we'll do this well, I
shouldn't say hopefully we will do itagain next week, as long as we're
on the wake up list and we'llhandle business. They are always appreciate everyone
(42:27):
who's been listening to the show,see it on social media, give it
a share. And there's been aton going on on the women's side of
this conference, specifically, I knowKelly Graves pretty fired up about a matchup
against USC. I am almost certainthat his comments will be discussed on the
Inside Pack twelve Women's basketball podcast.Ashley Adamson as well as Mary Murphy.
(42:50):
Have you covered off of a bigweekend, take a closer look at the
weekend that is still coming. Youcan also catch that one wherever you can
find the finest podcast. But continueto spread the word on our show.
We definitely appreciate it, and we'lltalk to you next week.
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