12 Steps To Freedom

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I have a co host who is not here
right now, but you're gonna hear her voice quite often,
and she is the amazing I like to call her
a lot of times, Professor Rose, but her name is
Laura Rose. So, Laura, why don't you go on and
speak to our audience?

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh, good afternoon. You glad to be here? Glad to
be here?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, yeah, So Laura, So we we've been really wanting
to do this show for a very long time now,
why haven't we?

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Laura, Well, well, we're here, We're here.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Time, in the right place, and this is where we are.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Where we're supposed to be, absolutely absolutely, So one of
the things that we're gonna do with twelve Steps of Freedom,
we're gonna be talking about ways and in the steps
that it takes to be free.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
That free is not just one step. You.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I don't think that you can become free from almost
anything with once. I think that you have to You know,
how far are you away from where it is that
you want to be? What do you want to see
in your life? And what are you seeing right now?
So in twelve Steps of Freedom, Lord, I know you've
done a lot of you you're completely in recovery. So
when we talk about twelve steps, what do we want

(01:17):
our audience to know about twelve steps? And why that
is the name of our show that is brought to you,
by the way, the sponsored by the Hyde Park Writers
Group here in Chicago, Illinois, and we have lots of
meetings and we have meetings every single month and are
very you know, just always talking about what it is

(01:38):
that intellectual black people need to be knowing and talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
So Lor I'm going to pass it off to you.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, thank you very much, Jerry. And there's no secret
that there are twelve months of the year, and so
we've got twelve steps, and we've got twelve months. And
what we want to do is build on each month
and build on each month and each step. And so

(02:05):
we've named it twelve twelve Steps to Freedom so that
we could give our listeners an idea of what they
should be working on or what it takes to get
to that point of freedom. Doesn't happen overnight, but it
takes unpacking. So we have to unpack each step. Each
month will unpacked.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
I love the sound of that, the fact that and
so one of the things we're going to do. In
our first show, we talked about talking about who are
how it is that what we call slavery and being
enslaved that who are the enslavers of today? And how
is it that slavery has sort of changed the way

(02:50):
it looks and what it is now and what it
was yesterday. The things that enslave us I talked to
you about this last night, Laura, are not the same
things that we're enslaving us one hundred years ago. But
we can be just as enslaved today as we were
one hundred years ago based on what it is that
we are doing or what step we are on. And

(03:11):
I'm going to allow you to respond exactly it looks different.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
For example, when you talk about in terms of actual slavery,
in terms of believing in what the so called master tells,
you're believing in the propaganda of the master. Having your mindset.
Having your mind is one of the you know, that's
the overarching, the overarching principle of slavery is that they

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have your mind. And so they know that they have
your mind first, your body will follow. And so we're
going to draw parallels between the slave master having the
mind of being slave person the same way that the
multinationals have the consumer's mind and therefore have their wealth

(04:04):
as well. And I should have added that to the
first part of the slave master owning the wealth of
the person with the person that slived, just like the
corporate entity owns the wealth of the consumer and gets
it back from him or her. Yeah, so so, but

(04:26):
it starts with a mindset of that dependency. And so
we'll be unpacking that throughout this whole series.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Absolutely, And and what you're saying is that if you're
putting all.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
Of your effort, I just broke that down.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Like you said, we're in the twelfth month, and if
you have been working, let's say, what fifty two weeks,
and if you can't spend five or four weeks doing
exactly what you want to do, being wherever you want.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
To be, how free are you?

Speaker 1 (04:59):
I mean, if you are if you have nothing left
for yourself after you have put forth all of your
effort and given you know, one of my best friends
says very often, what does it look like if I
work for you and buy from you? And then what
does that really look like? And how much freedom is that?

(05:19):
So we're gonna also think we're gonna name some names
and just on the way here, Lord, as we say
this first segment, the first fifteen minute segment where we
concentrate on what it is that we see in the corporate,
in the corporate or in the really not a democracy.
But I want to talk about just a Chicago little
thing that really came to me. It's on forty seventh

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and it's on forty seventh in Cottage Grove. And we
know well and then where I live on Cottage Grove,
but where I was looking at how into they called
it perpetuity. They called it that forty seventh and Cottage
Grove was sold to Walmart into perpetuity with one with

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one payment, with one payment, so they actually what they
did is Walmart. I mean, Lord, even in the nineties,
you were questioning the morality and the and the you know,
you you questioned the presence of Walmart in the South
when you were in college in the South. I mean,
you were one of the first people who told me

(06:21):
to be aware of that conglomerate, that corporate entity. Lord,
I'm gonna let you kind of respond to that, and
then I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Say your exactly.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
What No, No, that's fine. You know you didn't I
let you in. So so what they did, Lauria. So
what they did is they closed the store. And I
kept trying to figure out why they closed the store.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
I mean, it's just.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
A big abandoned building. And then it came to me
one of the people, one of my writers, said to
me that they.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Own the building.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
The building, the rental properties on top are owned by Walmart.
So whether or not the store state open to the
community was irrelevant because they.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
Own all of the apartments on top.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
That that that the politician had sold them the block,
that that the that the community needs businesses on that
is perfectly located for all kinds of of businesses and
and the exchange of goods and services. You sold it
to a conglomerate that closed the store and left.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Now I'm gonna let you.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Respond WoT because what happens with Walmart is when Walart
comes into an area. Let's say the Walmart superstore consent
to the area that has not seen has not had
a Walmart. It offers everything at the best, so it'll

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have a dry cleaner, it'll have explor it'll have in
nail salon, and it'll have the fast food restaurants like Subway,
and that the printal place will have those when in
within Walmart, so that Walmart becomes the one stop shopping experience.

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And what happens is when Walmart comes they undersell every
other business. I can remember a florists telling me that
when Walmart came well, Valentine's Day was his best day.
He sent his kids to challenge off of the money
he would make on the on the particular how they've

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Valentine's Day being his best about his best week and
the best day. And so when Walmart came along, h
Walmart put him out of business because Walmart understow him
on flowers and deliver and everything. It was very sad
for him. And this happened in real time. I watched

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the same thing with the dry cleaners. The dry cleaners
had been in businesses in particular town for many years,
the family owned business, and Walmart came in and underved
and cut their prices because they can do the loss
leaders because their idea is to get rid of all
the competition. And so that's what Walmart is used to doing,

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is coming into an area, taking over the market, and
then when they decide, when Walmart decides it's no longer
a profit. It's going to kill the second time. And
that's what you just described. So all the other businesses
have gone out of business, you know, they put the
grocery stores out of business, they put them. Every other
business goes out of business. And then some would decide

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the corporate that this Walmart is not thinking enough, or
we can make more money doing something else, and that's
what they go. And that's bad news for the people
in the town. But the people in the town didn't
know what was going to happen because they didn't have
they didn't understand capitalism, which is at the you know,

(10:17):
at the root of everything going on in the United
States right now. It's capitalism. The enslavement is for capitalism,
but the taking your minds over is for the sake
of capitalism. And it's fun in games when we can
get a good bargain, But at what price do we
get a good bargain? And that's the problem. What price

(10:41):
is a good bart Now let's talk about the actual slavery.
The actual slavery didn't work for lots of people, but
the oppression of an entire population became very valuable, much
like slavery was somewhat of a loss. There is many
cases where the people who enslaved people didn't make much

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money and didn't get rich they need they got in debt.
But the system of the subjugation and the oppression of
the blacks became that became big commodity in it of itself.
So when people discussed when people discussed the plantation owners

(11:26):
and their foreclosures and how they didn't really make much
money or didn't make much money at the end of
the day, that may well be, but they got to
the ancestors, excuse me, the descendants of these uh, these
owners got to inherit the land. As you said before,

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the land became the most valuable things, and the people
working the land as well as they were subjugated, were
also a commodity. So then you have a system where
the workers are actually sharecropping. Actually you know, when the
words slavery is taken away, so they find another way

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for people to work the land and then get the money.
So it's all part of when we talk about the
twelve STEP's the freedom. We first want to understand how
the mind works and how the capitalists, the industrialists, the
overclass has taken over. They how they take over. How

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this group of people that take over and have people
thinking a certain way. So when we're talking about freedom,
we're talking about freedom to think for ourselves and unpacked
things as we see fits that make sense to us
without the paradigms that are given to us. I'm sorry
we're talking so much, but I have to get that across.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
You are fine, You are fine.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
We're twenty one minutes in for you know, twelve Steps
of Freedom sponsored by the High Park Writers Group, and
we are on Intellectual Radio dot com.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
I don't think you talked too long at all.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
We're gonna change the subject in about four minutes. But Laura,
thank you for that insight, because, like you said, when
we talk about steps, so what step is it that
the community can take now? Is that Walmart gonna stay
closed and abandoned and you can't even go on the
parking lot in park They don't even let the community
people park in the parking lot. They there is no

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there is no there's no commerce that goes on. They
just own the units upstairs and they can decide at
will how much the rent is. And since there's no jobs,
they can obviously, how is it that people can hold
onto their housing.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
And that's one of the things that we're being asked.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
And even when when Joe Biden did not you know,
supposedly allegedly did not win the when a Kamala had
I'm sorry, allegedly did not win the election, it was
because she didn't really offer a way for people to
stay in the homes that they already had. And so,

(14:11):
you know, so, how do we stop paying we were
paying the store. Now Walmart still owns the entire block
in a community where they won't dare live. So what
is the step that we needed to make the politician
stake take in order to take back our space. That's
what we want our callers to start thinking about. That's
what we want to start thinking about. What step Is

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it a letter? Is it a is it a don't buy?
And we're gonna be talking. Lord, I don't think I
want to end on this, but you know, let's just
stop buying from people that don't look like us, Laura,
let's just look at that. And I'm just gonna end
on this, Lord, if it's okay, we're twenty three minutes in,
but I just as a scientist, you know, So you
guys have a degree in microbiology. I'm a natural researcher

(14:54):
and to do some research law. I did go into Target.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
I had not.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
I'd only been into Target in twenty twenty five. Listen
to talk about steps. I did very well.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
Once.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Once it was suggested that we don't buy anything from Target,
I was on board with that.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
And I've been in there two times.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
And by the way, my mom and I used to
spend about two hundred dollars a month in Target. That's
just us, and there were lots of us in there.
But anyway, I went in there a couple of days ago,
and it's a ghost of itself. Target is it is
a ghost of itself. I was such a frequent shopper
that I saw it. And they're never gonna admit it.

(15:31):
You never gonna hear it anywhere but intellectual radio. They're
not gonna tell you when you're winning. Lord go on, Lord, answer.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Suh. But targeting and saying look this assing, this target
set target.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I like it because it makes a statement. It cause
if we if we all do it, can we all
decide to do it? Oh you know, we're fifty American.
Come on, if we all decide that we do not
go to target.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Come on, and so be it.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
We will not go to target.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Baby. It is a shell of itself, Laura, a shell
it was.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
It was a joke. They not gonna say, baby, that
thing is over. It's over the seal.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And another thing that we could do is as a
collective is look at how do we get out of
this agreement? How does the city, how does the how
do the people get out of that group yet get
out of that agreement with that corporation?

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Come on, now, how does that happen? Come on down?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
There are more people than that, There are more people,
uh that that live in the city than run that corporation.
Uh And and so how how does that happen? It
happens when we stand up and we unpacked, and we understand,
we don't just get We don't stand there and take it, cause.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
That's unacceptable, beautiful, that's exactly right. You don't stand there
and just take it. So know your power. Uh. And
I'm just gonna you know, I'm just gonna mention a
couple of names. Ord and you know it's we twenty
six minutes and just some people I'm and I've I've
been listening, I mean, y s and the and by
the way, you know, listeners, me and Lord, this is beautiful.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
We don't always agree, so we and I love it
when we don't agree. I love it.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Uh. You gonna see that this show is not always
just about us uh agreeing with each other. We have
a lot of places and a lot of things that
we don't agree on. I listen to Boyce Watkins a lot,
and I do like his B one message. And I
also listen to Roland Martin as he unpacks where you know,
the the Democrats and Republicans, and he and boys don't
agree at all, but I I do find enjoyment and

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listening to both of 'em. So Lord, why don't you
share some of who you listen to and and the
things you get out of that? And then I'm gonna
let uh and then we're gonna change this the the
direction of the show.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Oh wow, you know what, that's an interesting question about
who I listened to this. I you know, I am
listening all over the place. I like to listen to
Umar Johnson. Yeah, I like to listen to It's a
very good question. Yeah, sometimes I've listened to the might

(18:23):
have touched the political things going on I listened to
ms MS now listen to joy Read. Okay, uh yeah,
I listened to some of those, and I like hearing
all points of view. I don't really listen to conservatives
other than clips from conservative someone else unpacking a conservative.

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So if I know something that's a conservative, that like
Cannas Owens or someone, I only know because someone has
a clip played the clips, so I don't have to.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Hear her talk.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Like you said, it's secondhand, second that emotion. I love it, Laura.
So yeah, Laura, that's exciting. So yeah, we want to
be telling our listeners where to get their news because listen,
don't listen to that that corporate news. I mean, that's
just all the same message all the time, Lora. So
the next subject you want to the next subject? Well, Laura,
what are we gonna be talking about next? I mean

(19:24):
we're gonna do We're doing well corp corporate. I mean,
we used to have a show Men Money, Food. What
we want to do our next segment? Are you thinking, Laura?

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, you know what, we got a big, big following
and men money and food, and uh, the listeners were
about men, money and food. You know which subjects in
there we like to talk about the most. Which one
is your favorite?

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Well?

Speaker 3 (19:51):
You okay, you know I started the show with it.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
I mean, I mean I really love breaking down relationships
and what the male female dynamic, how it looks different
than twenty twenty five. But my favorite subject is capitalism, Laura,
So why don't you tell that's? I mean, I really
I don't like I don't I to think we do
far too many favors and not enough business, and that
is my favorite thing to talk about.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
What about you, Laura?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Well, you know, I do like discussing I do like
discussing the relationship with food and.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Eating come on now, and those issues.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah. Yes, I particularly wanted to to discuss the the
way that the black community is being is turning on
each other and that shaming each other over going to
the gym.

Speaker 3 (20:41):
Come on, hella.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
I particularly like talking about that, Come on, Laura, because
I think these it it it it it it dovetails
with capitalisms. I think these people that are pushing gym
membership on black people.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Mm.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Are you know there's that Planet Business, Planet fitness corporate
ideology of come on, one fall, let's go to the gym.
They don't want you to go to the gym. They
want your money every month. Okay, everyone's money every month.
Because it becomes a moral test. Do you go to

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the gym? And we as African Americans are doing that
with each other, you know, not do you go to church? Not?
Do you are not? Are you active in your community?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Have you given your credit card to Lifetime Fitness or
Planet Fitness?

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Come on?

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Whichever one is the most popular, whichever one is most fun.
And so somehow you have some sort of credibility because
you have a gym membership and.

Speaker 4 (21:52):
You go to the gym that's only in the culture.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
And I hear it, and I hear it as a way.
The other day, I was listening to Iron Truth. I
like to saying the Iron truth okay, And someone was
on the Iron Truth Show and they asked the woman, well,
what kind of then did you like? And she described
the kind of man she liked, you know, like a
well built guy. Well, you know, she was just given

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like her wish list like a kid, you know, like
what do you want to up? Or like a kid,
what do you want for Christmas?

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
And so she was, you know, delighting it describing it okay,
and the person of the panel began to exporiate her
with all kinds of rude this including she said something
to the effective I can look and see do you

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want a man that's all muscular, that's well built those listids, right,
and I can look and see that you don't work out?
And the woman's face fell like she and I was like,

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how dare you make someone feel this bad because they're
not following your that gym culture. Go to the gym,
you know? And I follow Alco followed to Sea.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Out of Chicago, okay.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
And she does some shots of her in the gym
because she knows that people are into this gym culture.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Sure, sure, and yeah, you know, and the gym culture
is really just like cable TV.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
They just want your money, everybody.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
And so I'm wanna, I just want to get in there, Laura,
like you said you said about this woman, definitely, you know,
and the gym, Jeff, definitely is based on memberships and
and whether or not you because they already know only
a certain percentage of people are going to actually go
in there and work out. And so and also when

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you said that, imagine that woman sharing that she wanted
the opposite of herself.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
You already know that. I've definitely did.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
For years, I've talked about warning men who had a
six pack, knowing good and well, I should want my
own six pack six pack. She should not have adjusted
addressed that woman like that. Let you know and that
we're not attracted to the opposite of ourselves. We're supposed
to be attracted to somebody who has the identical problem
of the of us.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
We've kind of targeted to men. I mean, I want
a man who has the exact same deficiencies that I have.
Is that what I want?

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah? And that's what That's what really solved. The woman
had nothing to say because somehow the culture that we
have people have agreed okay is good everything else. And
so now we're talking about capitalism and that you want
to talk about. And I and I think that we're

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musing all this work out, work out, we're using that
because we're not thinking.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Untacking that that has And then you know that you
don't need to go to the gym.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
What you do need tell them what they need to do, Laura, because.

Speaker 2 (25:14):
They need to exercise, But you sure don't need to
buy a den membership. And if you live in a neighborhood,
in a in a well to do neighborhood, and these
are in a neighborhood, you'll bonus many people jogging through
the city.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Okay, you know they're jogging through they're jogging through the city.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
They're they're walking walk, they're walking through the park. They're
doing things of that nature which we all know do
not cost anything extra. There are all kinds of exercise equipment.
There's all kinds of exercise equipment available to most people.
You know, for very very minimal crisis. You can go

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to Goodwill and buy an exercise so I pays for
one time this whole. Get your credit cards, hit your
credit card, what's love and be able to brag to
the group of the the the online pedic gallery and
say I work out, you know, and if that's like

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something like your calling card. But capitalism makes us do that,
people will say that for this, just for capitalism purposes, Lord.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Please tell them how much you've lost without going to
the gym to do it. Go on and do that.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Come on, Lord, personally, personally, I walked, but how much
the right right.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Personally man food choices personally, because able.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
To keep pounds off my body for eight years.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Okay, that's what that's what you need to share because
the first the first step is to uh discipline yourself.
How about for before you buy anything, because that's really
not that's not the discipline to change your life. That's
not the first step. That's not the second step or
the third one. The first step is to decide that
you're going to do something to move your body more
than you're doing at a certain time per day, a

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certain number of times per week. The first step is
to decide to do something. Lord, and you know you
did something with your food choices. I'm gonna please, I'm
gonna let you talk now.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Oh well, well yes, And the very first thing I
did was I decided to do something about being about
OSTI because I had knee paid. I had knee paid,
which brings another point back to the back to capitalism
and how if you spend many years overweight and exercising

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in a gym and paying for GM memberships, you're gonna
hurt your doings even more. And when you hurt your joints,
your joints hurt you. You may need to get joint replacements,
and that's very expensive surgery, and so That's why I
believe the capitalist, the capital planet business people both getting

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these joints worn down so that they can.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Do absolutely that's that's right, that's absolutely right. You're right,
You're you're still in the customer right, You're still you're
still in the customer zone, right, Laura. You because you
have not changed your mind, you haven't taken one step
to do better health. And because you have not, you

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know you are you have not saying, Laura, you know
what is the one thing you taught me? And listen,
by the way, my mother and I'm gonna put it
on anybody else. We love putting it on because my
mother has been sick. I've been sick. I'm eating out
of control again. I'm eating between meals. How about Laura,
the first thing you promoted with me was what stopping
between meals? How come nobody promotes that right? Because stop

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eating between meals, eat your meals and stop eating three meals.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's what they're there, they're pa that's the part of
a system. That's part of that part.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
And we know this.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Because more money, lord, and you know, and we're not
shaming anybody or but we know good and well that
we see the expansion of American bodies. We see the
and and Lord knows, I spent enough years obese, and
when you lose and gain weight, you have all of
this skin. And then they promote the ab AX. They

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tell you to go out there. It's there constantly sending
me videos about ab EX and they sort of suggest that, hey,
you can get this skin removed, that you this excess skin.
When you gain weight excessively, you have extra skin and
the skin does not go away when you lose the weight.
And the way to get the skin off again is surgery.

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And it's not asked in the writer's group. How much
do you think ab X costs? How much does it
cost to get the skin removed once you lose weight? Lord,
I mean I know you haven't. Do you have any
idea how much it is?

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yes? Okay, so is about.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's your ten fifteen thousand?

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah, And then they don't recommend because it's very dangerous.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
So what if you have to have.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And so and we know this when we grew up, Laura,
and that we grew up the food store that only
had one It didn't have a whole isle of snacks, Laura,
there was no whole isle of snow. It was a
few snacks in the front. As we see the snackiut
growing in foods, and we literally see buy eight and
get one free. If you buy one, it's six ninety nine.

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If you buy three, they're three ninety nine. They're making
you buy more food. They're making you buy more drinks,
They're making you buy more everything.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I don't want. I don't want five bags of snack
in my house.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
How come I.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
But it goes back to the capitalism and then the
expanding waistline. And then at some point you're gonna look
a certain as you say, then you're gonna run to
the gym as if driving. Let's not even admit I mean,
I love to swim. So I love the gym. I
happen to be a person that is a real gym person,
and I do you know, I'm very healthy because I

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do do a lot of swimming and working out, and
I love doing that. But know that I know that
most people that buy the membership never show up there
and right now out that it's cold and it's snowing,
they're actually now just getting money from me. I'm not there, okay,
So that's what And so now one of the things
that social media. One of the options you get in

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social media if you really want to work on your
body or and work on that part of yourself. There's
enough videos if you all are always watching that to
show you how to exercise at home, using your chairs,
using your walls. Even there's enough information out there about
how it is that you can work on the problem

(32:32):
areas you have in your body to get better without
getting in your car going to the gym.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Exactly. There has been out there for years and we've
always know, we've always know what all kinds of exercises
have been out long before social media as the Internet,
they've been out for a long long time. People have

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been getting People have in getting well exercised, toned bodies
since time began. And that's just through the simplest exercise.
It's not about paying your credit card every month, with
your paying with your credit cards every month. But that's
what capitalism does. It makes you. It's your mind and

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why we are unpacking. It gets your mind and it
tells you that this is the root. And then we
forced on each other. That young woman that it forced
on that other young woman was out of line. Well,
that she changed the whole situation she began, she came,
she became some sort of fat shaver, like why aren't

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you in line? Don't you know you're supposed to be
going to the gym yourself. And she couldn't say she
was going to the gym because she was really just
fat shaving her. She could have said, I know the gym.
Every every other day, I go to the gym. What
are you talking about? She could have said that, but
the way she had that shaved her because she wasn't

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body beautiful, you know, just a tool. That that how
we we were taught to to uh bite.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
Each other, so to speak, so that we can be
for the capitalism, for the yes.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
That you that if it's something's wrong, if you packed
kids a lunch, you packed the kid a lunch that
eats the lunch that you pack in, then he somehow
ostracized that the cafeteria was weird food. You know, you know,
you know whether you when you packed the kids some
healthy lunch or some lunch that you want him to have,

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that that the lunch you prepared and you cook and
you know the words is wrong.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Well lord, you know, look.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
At they look at him like what do you meat?
You're not just eating what the what the capitalists tell
us to eat.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Laura, girl, you know you are hitting my plate right
now and I just interrupted you.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
But I want to just say listen. When I go
to work, I'm.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
A substitute teacher on the West Side of Chicago, and
I have never been in the lunch room.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
I've been in that school.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
I been in there five months, and they have jokes
out they've never seen me in the lunch room.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
I'm like, that means I'm winning. That's about that for me.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
That's the fourth step, the fact that you've never seen
me in the lunch room. Because I bring my meals
and because I only eat what I bring, I don't
buy anything. While I'm only making a minimum it's barely
above minimum wage. The last thing that I need to
do is spend forty dollars on lunch.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Go on, Lord, exactly, because that's what capitalism, taking all
your money.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
And then working, and then you're working, and then you
at the end of six months you have not even
saved six dollars. How many of you don't even You
have no network. That's what Boyce Watkins is talking about.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
You have literally their people. I have relatives.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
I'm not making it up, who have worked forty years
and have a negative network. At the end of that,
there is no way I'm going to the school, Lauri,
as you say, as you talk about, and I teach
the children. At least now at this school, we don't
allow snacking because they were doing door dash at some
schools that I went to on the North Side. So
now I encourage the young people to bring their lunch.

(36:17):
Why do you where you say, oh, in the lunch
of that food was nasty. They don't even they don't
even cook.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
It down there.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
They have corporate people have as you talked about during
the pandemic lore and that's they said in Chicago, Rama
Manuel's brother allegedly has a contract where he makes millions
of dollars bringing lunch.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
To the school.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Because there's no longer a grill at the school. They
don't cook it here. It was cooked somewhere six months
ago that you're eating now, That's what I tell them.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
I don't know how long that's allegedly.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
I say that for all you know, what you're eating
right now was cooked somewhere five months ago in Oregon
and was brought here.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Why are you eating that bring your food. Okay, Lord, going.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
And food and eating and all that. That's a very
important discussion to have cause there's no mystery in the
food that we eat and the fact that the fact
that they have so do they they have our minds.
So that's the way it happens. They have our minds.
So we accepted, here's the food that we have. We're

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just accepting us well without even think gates.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
So what we're saying the first step, lor Lord, give
them the first step, Lord, for the the the the
food recovery. What does food recovery looks like? Lord, let's
talk about that.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Food recovery recovery from a food addiction is is about
understanding what what you're, why you eat and why you
use food. M Okay, now are you are you using food?
Are you eating to live or are you living to eat?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Hm?

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The overarching questions are you eating to live or are
you living to eat? Are you starting to like the food?
You like the food? A relationship with food, relationship with
relationship of relationships?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Come on now.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
And let's you know, we're forty seven minutes and let's
end the show. That's right, Lord, How can you love
something that can't love you back. That'd be like me
love it, which right now, I love this microphone, but
come on, somebody else is gonna use it in the
next hour.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
They better.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
That's right, Okay, right, that's it.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
That's no. Really, So when.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
When we talk about twelve Steps of freedom of a
sponsored by the Hypark Writers Group, and we're here on
Intellectual Radio, we're talking about what it is you're doing,
what step you're taking to change your life.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
First of all, let's do this one. Join an organization.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Lord, come on, let's just let them know what the
first step becoming.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Come on, come.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
On, right, don't just show up there? Come on, Lord,
and and what what is being encouraged now? And I

(39:35):
see it's particularly with the young, younger people. They want
the people, they want people to have a certain personality
so that they can get along with the people they there.
The people that are are in relationships with their phone
are not able to be in Then that's the last segment.
They're not really able to be an organization's Lord, because

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people in the organization are not going to say or
do any of the things you want them to do.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
Go on, Laura, Oh, they all fantasy of the fantasy,
And there's a lot of fantasy out.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Here with the online stating to order people just like
toporder your food. No, you can't. There's no ordering of
two people. There's no orders of the things that that
takes time to get to. There's no or you don't
order a relationship like you order a door dash field.

(40:29):
Don't do that. And you're finding young people and even
maybe older people. They're doing all this statey and then
reporting back on the internet what the person said it
did and how this is acceptable. And they're looking for
some physical high whether they use the term, there's the
term that they use. What's it called high value value

(40:52):
man or high high value man. It makes a lot
of money. The greatest beer takes a lot of money.
Though we can see is the white house right now?

Speaker 4 (41:01):
Come on, a man who makes a lot of money.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
See we can hear about the f files. We can
we can see all that. We can see, Sean did
we can see. We can see all these predators. But
they're but you're gonna tell me their high value people.
We can see all these all these that makes no sense.

(41:26):
High value you mean you mean high income? That your value?
If you value people by how much money they have
are maked and that you you've got a warm sense
of you have a war, a warm sense of reality,
because that's what capitalism is teaching you. That the very

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best people are the very the richest people.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Oh lord, I got a personal story. I got a
personal story. Oh lord, I got a personal story. And
that that's gonna lead you wrong. You're gonna be this
And one of the things we want to do in
the show, we want to really coach young women. You
need to be coached into relationships. Because I fell into
the trap, laurd that's going to be a tell from me.
I went to Howard University and I had, you know,
very I mean, I wasn't there a month when I

(42:14):
met a great guy. He was a musician, Larry Seals.
Fantastic guy. Laurie fantastic guy. And oh my god, I
did just what you're talking about. You said, a high
value man. There's another man that came after me a
year and a half later.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
He was an orthopedic surgeon.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
His first name was Sunday, and I just thought he
was so much better than Larry because he had more
money and a fancy Supra, a nineteen eighty super so
I was riding around in the best car on the
campus with Sonny. So I thought I was doing so

(42:55):
much better than Larry, and I was not.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Sunday had.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Narcissistic personality disorder and did not really and just like
most doctors from the eighties and and and you know
this from them, most of them actually had no people skills.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
And the truth of the matter was.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Laura, he chose me, now I saw it because I
had a personality and he would be able to get
somewhere with people because he had me close to him,
because he had no ability to get along or appreciate people.
That's what That's a real story. So that's and you

(43:46):
know he wasn't able to stay married. Larry Seals became
uh in DC, became a definitely a semi famous musician,
but better than that.

Speaker 3 (43:59):
He became a long term.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Thirty forty year husband and a great father to his children.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
And we know are our women right now being trained.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
Lord, you talked about this because you weren't coaching me then,
Because again, I would not have made that choice had
I been coached properly, because just what you're talking about,
if you're only looking at who's going to bring in
the biggest income, and who has the most fancy car. Yes,
he immediately he was sleeping with other women while he

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was sleeping with me.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Right away, Lord gone.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Well.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
That that's not true.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
You know you can use.

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Come on.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
The one man. The man is going to be a
good family member to the rest of your family them.
The best man will be the one who's there for
you in your own age and able to help you
and go ahead and to pick up your benefits. That's
what's the best said. The best said is a hash
has a character, has good character. That's the best. That's

(45:24):
the value. That's what's valuable to you, as you know,
and for your spirit, for your soul. Is someone that
values you. That's somebody that has has you know, has capitalism,
you know by you know, by the tail, you know,
someone who had who's who's rich. A rich person is

(45:46):
not necessarily the most valuable.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
How about creating build together, young women? Right, We're gonna
how about create and build together. I saw there was
another one. I'm trying to see if I can find
her on my phone. She was an artist, Laura, and
she's obvious. She's a bison. She's Laura's not a vice
and God, Lord, and tell him, Laura, you went to
the other hu.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Okay, I will.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
She went to the other hu. But LRD tell them
where you went, so they'll know. They're gonna hear that
all the time. But there was a there was a
I'll know it on this next show. You all got
to listen. But Lord, no, she's an artist and she's
doing an exhibit right now at the Smithsonian and her

(46:34):
husband and is a DJ.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
You and me, he plays music while she does art.
I'm like, what, come on, come on?

Speaker 1 (46:44):
She she knew how to pick a man, did she
not see if she had?

Speaker 3 (46:49):
My mother? Let me just go and put my mother.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
My mother been like, well, he ain't doing nothing but
playing music while you while you make ten thousand dollars
our pieces. That's back to being back to being in
the mind of a slave, that somebody that you're that
you're not there to build in a collaborator. You're not,
you're product organization. You're building together. The Lord, we're definitely

(47:14):
running out of time, But Lord, you know it's we're
fifty six minutes in. I think we only uh, she'll
let me know, we only have it, So, Lord, are
they if we kind of introduced the people to what
they're gonna get from the show. All right, well listen,
I definitely you guys come back. The Hypochwriters Group. We're
at fifty first in Cottage Grove. We're gonna be having

(47:35):
a Martin Luther King event on January nineteenth.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
That's gonna be an immersive event.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
We're starting at three pm at fifty first and Cottage Grove.
Give me a email at G. G. Hudson at hotmail
dot com.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
G G. Hudson at hotmail dot com.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Lord, do you have anything you want to give them? Okay, Lord,
you can go on and go and I'm going to
close the show out. Thank you so much Intellectual Radio
for allowing me to have a show here. And I
have had an absolutely awesome time and I can't wait
to come back.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
All right,