Talking Cool Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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and we win.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
All right, all right, we're here.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
We win, we win, and we back in the office
to be back on the job. We're back in effect. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:33):
How y'all doing today?

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Happy post Merry Christmas is and everything uh getting ready
to supreme?

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Happy New Years.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
I want to wish everybody, uh happy New Years. Uh
in everything and uh, you know, we just want to continue.
We want to get right into the nitty gritty man.
I got some good stuff, y'all know. I get excited.
Uh So a guest was invited, and I want to
make sure that we can hit everything that we need
to hit on on this show. We're gonna continue our

(01:03):
series on manhood. Are you all good with with Manhood?
And we touched on some things last show. Feel free
to look at it, uh, to like it, to subscribe,
to love it, pass it on to people. We got
a lot of listeners. I had a lot of good feedback.
I do read the comments. The wisdom that you all

(01:24):
be kicking. I learned something from the comments as well,
with some funny comments we saw we were talking about
male oriented talk shows. H and I had a brother
go all the way back to Ed Sullivan Johnny Carson.
All right, he started naming some some icons from the past,

(01:44):
and uh, and those were some good shows, you know,
Johnny Carson used to be the show actually, but uh,
you know the new shows, you know. We we then
another brother. He talked about, uh, what's the boy name
that you know, Woo Woo? What was the woof wool
fool got Wander? What was the woof wool fool got?

(02:05):
Our Senior Hall? Yeah, yeah, that's my producer, Wanda Bee.
She'd be keeping us tight a senior Hall show by
our senior being off the air for like twenty years.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
I mean it's been a long time.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
He's been off the air since before Jordan retired, and
so that was a long time ago. I judge everything
by the Jordan era, when Jordan came to the league,
when we won our first championship, when he first retired,
when he came back, when he retired again, it's the
Jordan era. It's how I document my time stamps on things,
and so so that was a long time ago to

(02:37):
and then I had another brother, a big old He said,
the guy shows late at night, and I think he
was referring to the late night shows. But those variety
shows they meant for men, women, boys and girls. Whoever
they can get to watch, they watch. And so just
just take me a look at what focuses on men
being better men. And so again in uh, you know,

(03:01):
I ain't saying I got the answers. I ain't saying that.
I had another brother say, hey, the Bible, the good Book,
the scriptures, is what he said, tells you everything you
need to know about manhood. So I appreciate all the
comments that people. I appreciate you all taking the time
just to watch the show that even like it a
little bit, even if you can't stand it, uh, but

(03:22):
you you watch it. I appreciate that the energy that
you give and love in regards to some of the
topics that we talk about. But without any further ado,
Manhood Part two, I had to call in some people
because you know, like I said, I don't I don't
corner the market. And every guy has a different perspective
on what maybe manhood is, so.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
I put in the call. I called out to some people.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I tried to get rolls Dereck Rose from from the
Chicago Bulls, but he wasn't available. And then I I
got on jay Z's follow him on Facebook and tried
to see him, but he he didn't respond to me.

Speaker 3 (04:07):
Jay Z didn't respond.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Y'all think my name is Will Smith and I got connections,
but I don't.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
And then I.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Reached out even we talked about the Bears quarterback on
the last show. So I reached out to Caleb on
the Bears Fan Nation and you know, he was getting
ready for the game tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
So he told me that he couldn't make.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
It, and so I had to go to my Sure
Things I can't Misses, to my rideed Dies to my
road dog who was listening to the show. He said, man,
you ought to have me on the show. I said,
you're serious. He said yeah, And so I can introduce him,
you know, you know, from the West Side.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So I don't know.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
We've been knowing each other for a long time, you know,
when we were younger men and now we're older men.
So I don't know what y'all he wants I don't
want to say the wrong thing because it is statutes
of limitations on some stuff. And so I'm gonna allow
him to introduce himself. He took the time to come
out today, so give a big round of applause. I

(05:07):
ain't gonna even say his name because I don't know
which name he. I don't want to use the wrong name,
So I will let you introduce yourself. Tell the people
who you are.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Brother.

Speaker 5 (05:19):
My name is James fast Harmon from the West Side,
the best side Chicago, UH born and raised, doing a
lot in the community with one thing with the Burke Foundations,
and get him back to the young folks.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
That's what I do.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's what's up. That's what's up. And what type of
bitch is you doing that? Brother?

Speaker 5 (05:43):
Right now, I'm in a business of doing deliveries, own
my own delivery business while pick up loads and delivering
from all over the world, all over the United States,
pick up from their port that all throughout the United States.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
All right, So let me let me clarify some things,
because this is Chicago. We did say west side, he said.
He in the delivery business picking up loads, uh, transferring
them all across the United States. And y'all know I
used to be a federality, so I want to make
sure everybody understands this is legitimate business, right brother, right?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
All right?

Speaker 4 (06:19):
So all right, So so look y'all we we we
had a talk about manhood and so so invited on
the show, and I want to ask uh facts, that's
what that's what we call him, that's what the west
side know him as?

Speaker 3 (06:34):
Fact? Brother?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
What's when you think of manhood? Like, what's your description
of it? Like, how about you tell a young person
or tell the world you know, because this is intellectual
Radio dot com and it's all across the world. People
listen to what we're talking about. What would you tell
them about your definition of manhood?

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Brother?

Speaker 5 (06:52):
I would say manhood is less about age or physical
scrept but more about maturity and character.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Like maturity and character. So let's let's let's ask this.
What's the difference between your thoughts of when you were
a man when you were twenty if you got any
examples twenty five as opposed to the age you are now, Like,

(07:20):
what did it change? Is the construct still the same
of what manhood was? Is or was there some staples
of it that still remain no matter what age you are, Like,
what do the young brothers need to know when you're
talking to the youth and to the people about this thing?
This anominate this construct called manhood.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Being a man don't mean you're tough. Whenout people think
about being a man. At a youth, that twenty year old,
twenty five year old, I thought, I'm a man, I'm
ana stand up, Hey, I'm a man. You can't treat
me this way. I'm a man. That ain't the way
to be as a man. You should be responsible, have
self control, have maturity, and definitely I respect. That's one

(08:03):
thing and a lot of people think about being a man.
You can't say certain things to me, But a person
say something to you and you take it the wrong way.
Now you put yourself in a situation where you can
lose more than you gained from that situation.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
Wow, man, look at this. You know we didn't even
you know, this is a natural show. But that takes
me right into a hot topic, you know, And I'm
glad you brought that up. Somebody say something to me
and next thing you know that, I mean, that's a
hot topic.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
So you know what that reminds me of good people.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Is that in the NFL, y'all know it's NFL season
and this is the people getting ready gearing up for
the playoffs, either to make it or break it, to
get in or get kicked out. And so you all
saw the scene with the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver DK

(08:58):
Metcalf and that whole scenario that unfolded on the on
the sideline with that brother.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
You you get a chance to see that.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
Fetch I did check that out, man.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
So so that kind of ties into what you were
talking about with with manhood.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
What was your take on it on that situation.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
Uh, the Pittsworth K Mac DK Meycal have more to
lose than that than that. Uh that fan, that fan
got more of the game by DK melchow action.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But but but he said something about my mama.

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Okay, words wordy stick and stone that say sticky stone
may bake your brom but words never heard.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
But he called me the N word.

Speaker 5 (09:46):
It won't be the first time, it won't be the
last time.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
Let me tell you something.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
This this, this, this, this, this, this topic was so
I don't know why, you know, you see certain things
happening and then you see the reviews, you see what
people's comments are, and so many people guys were saying
that well as a man, that as a man, they
pre they preempted what they were going to say on
how they justified it by saying, as a man, you know,

(10:12):
i gotta do what I gotta do and I'll deal
with whatever consequences come. What makes so for those who
may not be familiar with the situation, DK Metcalf is winning.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Now I'm gonna break it down to him right quick.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Fact my my, uh, in my dramatic type of staff,
this dude is winning. He is playing the sport that
he dreamed about playing in the league that he dreamed
about playing in, on one of the most story franchises
in NFL history, the Pittsburgh Steelers. And he not just

(10:46):
somebody that's that's on a football team.

Speaker 3 (10:48):
He named brand.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
Like if you talk to football, if you mentioned DK Metcalf,
most people will.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
Know who he is.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
It's a lot of receivers on some rosters don't nobody
have a clue on who they are, but they know
who this brother is. He had a good career in Seattle.
He and now he's with Pittsburgh and this is a
big dude doing his thing with million dollar contracts, doing
his come on, man, that's crazy money, crazy money. And

(11:15):
and then he got into it. Now this is the
part that that gets me. He had to walk. Oh
it's it's forty five to fifty thousand people in this stadium.
He locks onto this one dude, DK is is like
sixty five sixty six, you know, two fifty ain't nothing
butt muscle, and he found he walked over to this

(11:38):
fan who who they maybe got a little history with.
This fan is maybe like one hundred and fifty five pounds.
This fan had on a he had on like a
purple a green wig. I mean, I mean, And he
walked over to him and he grabbed him, pulled him down,
said some choice words to him, and then kind of
flipped them off a little bit, and then walked back
over to the bench. But I noticed how far he

(12:00):
had to walk to get to the bench. It's like
it's not like basketball, and they like right behind you
on the bench, and it's like, all of a sudden,
this dude just getting on my nerves.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Let me turn around and slap him like a Charles
Barclay move.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
DK had to walk like fifty to sixty to seventy
five feet just to get back over to the parts
of the bench where he was supposed to be. So
that mean he had to take himself all the way
over there where that fan was. And then the other
thing I noticed facts is that none of his teammates
stopped him.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Nobody pulled it. Nomin brother, you can't go over there.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
So that told that That tells me something possibly about
what his relationship is and what people think.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
And like I said, he's a big dude. So if
he got his mind made.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Up on stupid, we were right right with We just
gonna let him be stupid.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And like you said, he has so much to lose.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
And I saw the fan at the DK flipped them
off and turned around to walk the way.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
The dude held his hands up in victory because he
just won.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
And we talk about men, and I heard you say
some things about manhood, and we talked about it before,
about having emotional discipline, emotional discipline, This brother DK got everything,
and maybe not everything to lose, but he got something
to lose, and he has time to lose. He got

(13:20):
suspended two games, he got two that the video is
playing over and over again, all because he just could
not walk away, and and and if he could have
just walked away, so many things would have changed for
him this week because the dude founder did you see

(13:41):
the video with the dude lawyer?

Speaker 3 (13:42):
It up with his lawyer.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
That was his major come up. He lawyered up, so
all he had to do. DK Maca. I have I
call selective hand. Everything's set to you ain't meant to
be for you.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Say it again, brother, now you're getting deep. You didn't.
He didn't, He didn't, he didn't set down and selective here,
selective here.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
So so when we talk about manhood, fellas, our brother
factist is laying down some knowledge.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
And you know what I call this?

Speaker 4 (14:12):
You know what I call this, brother wisdom wisdom because
this is stuff they don't teach you in the books.
I don't care what your grades are at school. I
don't care what honor roll you might be on at
twenty years old, seventeen years old. Even if some of
some of the people would have would have been pulling
us aside to tell us, we might not have listened

(14:34):
to it. But when you have life experiences and you
make it through some storms, and you make it through
some stupidity. Man, you get this thing called wisdom, and
so my brother was just kicking some wisdom. You said
selective here and everything. Say it again because I got
to so what So how would that if that was

(14:57):
embedded in DK?

Speaker 3 (14:59):
What difference? What that have made in this situation.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
I'm gonna just say one thing, So just by you
saying he walked over from his bench to go over
to the stand, Like you said about basketball, the players
sits on the bench, the fans right behind basketball, DK
mexhalf had to walk over to trump to the druma.
I'm gonna call it. I'm gonna call a fan drama.
The fan name of me is Dramma. Now, so he
had to walk over to the drama.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
So that's like walking over to a fight when you
can walk from it. You ain't even got to hear.
It's like you.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
Said, fifty thousand fans in the stands yelling, screaming, but
you just hurt that one fan half selective here because
they could have could have went way different instead of
him making a good moment that they won, but the
moment went to him distraction.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
Yeah yeah, and so so DK is winning. In fact,
Pittsburgh stillis was winning the game too. So this man
is winning by living his dream. He making millions of dollars,
He providing for his family. He in the league, he's avoiding.
I remember people just think people in the NFL they
just in a feil man. These boys gotta work hard,
they gotta be scouted out, they gotta avoid injuries. They

(16:04):
got to actually get drafted. They gotta have somebody who
can throw the ball to him. They gotta have the opportunity,
and they got to take advantage of the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
And here this man is man.

Speaker 4 (16:13):
He win in like like the people sitting at home,
they would love to be in his shoes. You know,
he win, and that fan would love to be in
his shoes. In fact, DK get paid to be in
the stadium. The fan had to pay to be in
the stadium. Come on, man, come on, what were doing here?
And then we justify. I'm watching men justify like we

(16:37):
just can't say, man, he was wrong. And maybe that's
part of the problem. Nobody wants to just tell somebody, man,
you was just wrong.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Brother.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
But I like Mike Tomlin said, hey, hey, I don't
condone his actions, but we support our brother. See I
can say DK, because it ain't like they was walking
on the streets and the man was pointing in and
DK got his wife, DK got his keys, and now
he has to you know, defend his family.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
You know, he has to protect you know, he was he.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
This, this ain't that, and people making it seem like this.
So he not only did he get suspended for two games,
you know, which was five hundred and fifty five thousand dollars.
That's like a half a million dollars for like two games.
You know, five hundred and fifty five thousand dollars. You
know how many years I gotta work to get to

(17:28):
that to get five hundred and fifty five thousand. Wait,
is that even the right number? It might be in
the millions.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
I forgot. I figured exactly what it was, but it
was a lot.

Speaker 4 (17:41):
And then to top it off, because he got suspended,
this is where we talk about emotional discipline. There's a
clause in his contract that there's a guarantee of forty
five million dollars that he would get. But because he
got suspended, it's not that he can't get the forty
five million dollars. It was a given. If he didn't

(18:03):
get suspended. Now it's something they got to be negotiated.
So now the team can decide we're not gonna give
it to you, or we're gonna knock that down to
twenty five million, to ten million, to to to zero million,
you know. And so now and now and then the
fan is holding press conferences.

Speaker 5 (18:25):
The fan game, the fan game, he went and off
of medcalp unfortunate. The fan is winning and the fan
was in the wrong. But at the same time, Medcap
was the wrong for going over there.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And it's about choices.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
It's about choice, men, man, we got to make better choices.
And so and I listened to the fan with his lawyer,
and the lawyer was like, oh no. The fan actually
started to speak out surprised, you know, and said in
a lot of federal court rooms. And I listened to
testimonies and things like that, and I heard the fans say, look,

(19:04):
you know, I was doing what's in my rights to do.
You know, I didn't call him then in word, you know,
I didn't do this, and I didn't do that. And
then he talked about that, you know when you said
that I said this, When you said I said the
in word, the fan said that I.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Started getting death threats. That's what he said.

Speaker 4 (19:23):
He said, Now I'm getting death threats, and now my
family safety is at stake.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
That's what he said. That's what he said.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
And I just want you to apologize and come out
and tell the people that's not what I said. And
I'm having problems on me, you know, emotional, and I
can't sleep, and I'm sitting there watching him plant the
seed for this thing called slander, you know, cause you
said I said something that I didn't and it's causing

(19:51):
me a lot of anguish and anxiety, and it's putting
my family in safety. And I'm watching him. I already
planted the seed. And when when you hit me for assault,
you know, you know. And so now you know, DK
not only's just losing money from suspensions and everything else.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Now he got a lawyer up.

Speaker 4 (20:11):
You still got to pay the lawyer, you know, And
it don't matter how much you got wasted money. You know,
nobody wants to waste their money on stuff. And so
now he has a lawyer up. You know, now he
has to feel bad for his team because they still
in some some playoff race atmosphere and DK is a
major dude on their squad, and so you got old

(20:32):
man rogers that you ain't really got no other real
name brand receivers on the squad. And now you sitting
on the on the you can't even sit on the bench.
You not even allowed on the field because you couldn't
make a better choice and have emotional discipline. And like
Fat said, selective hearing what you're saying, you forget he

(20:56):
gets old. He said something like selective hearing. Everything that
said to you is not meant for you. Sometimes we
gotta learn to keep it moving.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
You know.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
However, for twenty three years of federal officer, y'all, y'all
know how many brothers sitting in jail because they didn't
like what somebody said. You know how many lives have
been changed because I don't like what you said. You
know how many careers have been toppled, how much talent
has been unused and untapped because I didn't like what

(21:33):
somebody said. And not that they were threatening and it beat
me up, and not that they was gonna harm you
hurt me.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
I just my feelings was hurt. It's like self control,
self control.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Control anger instead of lashing out.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
A lack of emotional discipline, and I'm gonna hit you
with this this thing, and always work with my clients
on this emotional discipline thing because I think it's like
really really import and we can be happy, uh, but
we always have an issue with how we deal with
our anger, and we justify using our anger, uh in

(22:09):
in derogatory ways and in destructive ways. But you know,
we can also flip the script on that anger. DK
could have flipped the script and walked all the way
over to the other side.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Of the bench.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
He would not have heard that, dude, not have seen
that dude, and he would have taken the power back
by silence.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
See.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
See, manhood is not about anybody can beat somebody down,
you know. But I heard I heard Spider Man on
spider Man. Uncle Ben told Peter Parker. He said, just
because you can beat somebody up, don't mean you should
beat somebody else.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Say it again, shown through and not aggression.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Strength is shown through uh again.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Off the shown through restraint and not aggression.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Yeah, strength is shown by restraint and not a crash.
For you're kicking knowledge. You're kicking wisdom right now. So
I picked that a man becomes a slave to anything
he can't walk away from. This goal is for pleasure.
This goals for women. This goal is for bad habits.
Conquer yourself, first brothers. Word to the wise, you know

(23:19):
what I'm saying. You know I ain't saying.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
You know. You know you can get in.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
A ring and beat somebody up. If there's a place
for beating somebody up. If you like beating people up,
you will like these dudes playing football. They like running
into another person, hit on. I mean, that's a different
type of I played football for like a half of
a half a pass until I got hit at the
practice right right off. Everybody made for that type of lifestyle.

(23:45):
So it's some place for you. But a man becomes
a slave to anything he can't walk away from. This
goal is for pleasure women, bad habits, conquer yourself, first brothers,
that's what we're talking about. What is really this manhood
thing about discipline, self control, good.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Choices, good choices.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Now we're gonna were gonna flip to another hot topic
because that's what we do. And and my man of fact,
you know, we was talking. I remember when he asked
me coming on the show. It was something going on
in the college football world that that that that Uh.
That that that that caught his attention, that caught his
ire said, man, we got just talked about that on
the show Man talk to the people.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Tell him what it.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
Is that that that that rubbed you, uh the wrong way,
and you felt it was a good topic about this
manhood thing.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
About the Michigan coach.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
We always look at what we can gain from a situation,
but we never look at what we lose from a situation.
So does Michigan everybody know the situation. I don't know
the Michigan coaching, ain't. I don't really follow the Michigan basketball.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, Charon more More, Yes, sir.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
Once again he got famous on doing something that he
could have walked away from.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Walked away from.

Speaker 5 (25:04):
Wait wait wait wait, walk away that it still pops up,
walk away from. He's trying to gain and and he
he had more to lose than the so we called
it snow Bunny, had to gain snow Bunny.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
So he wanted he want to get.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
He looking at oh I got this, I got this,
and he lost losing everything, lost everything.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
So so so you saying that as.

Speaker 4 (25:28):
A man, uh, you know, when you when you working
on yourself, and you know, brothers, we are under construction.
We are we understand that none of us are perfect.
We are all flawed in.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Some way, shape, fashion of form.

Speaker 4 (25:41):
But but as a man like if you could have
got to coach more before everything hit the fan, man
to man, I an't sharpest, I am at what what
what you think you might have told him?

Speaker 3 (25:53):
But advice would you give him.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
With his home?

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Stay at home?

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Stay at home. Yes, you're going outside. You going outside.
Think you gained it some, but you lose, you lost everything.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
So you're saying, love the one woman. Yeah, you mean,
just be just be devoted to your wife, to your wife,
to your wife.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
You're talking about, just raise your family, raise.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Your family, your kids. You had a sixty million I
think sixty million dollar contract.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
You talking about. I mean, but he a man, I know, man,
I mean, but it's women out there.

Speaker 5 (26:26):
Yeah, hill man with a hill man with a case,
now hill man with a federal hill man with the case.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
Now man man, but everything this is your wrong more thing.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
Let me let me let me break it down for
you all, for those who may not be real, for
me with the story and just you know, and when
I break it down, I try to go a little
bit deeper. Into some of the the nuances of it.
That's like with DK Metcalf, he had to walk over
to the dude he had. You know, in fact, it
becomes premeditated when you have to walk as far as
he walks to get to the dude, so I can

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guarantee you his his his attorney is going to say
your honor.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
This was a premeditated thing.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
You know.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
The fan was just being a fan. The fan was
just yelling like all the other fans were. This is
pre which elevates the offense, which will elevate the mouth
that they're going to ask for, which elevates all the
drama that DK got to deal with. The only thing
that he should be elevating on is the football field,
catching passes and making the case for himself when it's

(27:28):
contract negotiation.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
Ah. But here is this coach more Michigan.

Speaker 4 (27:35):
He was the Michigan's coach, the first African American male
to ever be a coach of the Michigan football team.
And I think he got it somewhere around to twenty eighteen,
twentyenty nineteen.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
He got elevated, but he came in.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
He got hired by them somewhere around twenty eighteen or
something like that. But he came in as a tight end.
He was a tight end coach. He moved up to
a coordinator and I recently got promoted with Jim Harbaugh,
who now coaching the San Diego Chargers. You know, there
was some stuff going on there with Michigan and coach
Harball gave him the stamp of approval, and so so

(28:18):
the brother was on the come up. And he wasn't
just giving the job because you know, just because Harball
gave him the stamp of approval.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
He was good at what he was doing.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
I mean, he was good at it, and so so
he was given the opportunity and he was taking advantage
of the opportunity. But but it's the devil is in
the details, brother, That's what I like to say.

Speaker 3 (28:41):
The devil is in the detail.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
So when Fat say be focused, when Fat say, you
know in all the cases, you know this is where
you know where? Brothers, where are you supposed to be?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
Mm hmm? If I could just leave it there, where
are you supposed to be?

Speaker 4 (29:05):
You ain't supposed to be in jail, You ain't supposed
to be on no corners, You ain't supposed to Where
was coach Moore supposed to be where was DK sup He.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Was supposed to be on the bench.

Speaker 4 (29:18):
At his job, doing his job on the bench, that's
where he was supposed to be. But he all the
way over here with some fan dude. So sharam, let
me just break it down a little bit. So the
reason this got kind of nasty, the devil is in
the details because the girl that's in question, you know,
there's snow bunny, like you said, you know there's snow bunny,

(29:40):
but he's married to a snow bunny, so it's not
like you know, just so he got one already at home.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
So this is your preference.

Speaker 4 (29:49):
There's nothing wrong when when you ain't down in inter
racial relationships, don't don't write the show, don't come here,
don't pick it, don't protest outside.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
You know that is not what we're saying.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
But we saying if you like, you like what you like,
and if that's what you like, you got one at
the crib, and you got one at the crib.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
With three kids.

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Now you already know. They got to break it down, fellas.
This is why you have to have the discipline. Uh
that that that fact was talking about t I had
this this, this, this, this album out years ago called
paper Trail. Now, I want you all to take a
look at what this brother did when he got promoted.

(30:32):
He doubled her salary and this his dip. This is
side piece. He doubled her salary and then he promoted
her to his executive assistant. It gets even deeper. It's
something about and I don't know I even heard what

(30:53):
he said. I'm just saying, I'm just telling you what's
out there because he ain't said nothing, and DK ain't
said nothing, so we ain't even got the inside of
the story to see. But they said that there was
something about her possibly being pregnant because remember he got arrested,
something about he door dashed a playing b pill to
her at her crib so she can take the pill. Yes,

(31:15):
it gets kind of crazy. Door dashed like you don't
even bring it over. You don't even sit with me,
right right, you know, right, you don't sip it. We're
not advocating but doing that. But you know, we would
have seen some things, would have been through some things,
and you know people can get desperate, you know sometimes.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
But he didn't even come down.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Say hey, babe, I know this is hard for you, man.
I'm so sorry. You know, you know, we knew what
we was getting into. So I got this pill for you.
You know, go, Ah'm sit here with you, man. We're
gonna go through this together. We're gonna make it through it.
You know, he didn't even play the role. He door
dashed it over there.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Right right. He had more money than times.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
So she's sitting there salty, like, wait, I'm having your baby,
and you know the emotions changed, fat. You know, I
know you can't talk to we' we don't want to
say too much to incriminate ourselves, you know, for the
people watching at home. But but you know, but you
know what I'm saying. But this is the emotions that
come in, like like we pregnant. We've been doing this.

(32:20):
We've been in this for now that They was kicking
it before he even became the head coach. So this
just didn't start when he was the head coach. They
was kicking it for a while. Paper trail door dash
I got, I got the text, she kept the receipts,
you know, and this this is you know, R Kelly

(32:41):
and I ain't gonna really go into the R kessing,
but R Kelly and jay Z did a song. They
did an album together a long time ago. It was
called the Best of Both Worlds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the
streets know about it. It wasn't hot on the charts,
but the streets knew about it. And they had this
song on there called the Power of the P Letter Letter.
That ends with why they said, that's why every brother

(33:04):
in a hood dress sharp and ax fly. That's that's
why they try to cop the best rides for the
power of the P letter letter that ends and why I.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Mean the power of it.

Speaker 4 (33:16):
Now, this this is not this is not new like
we're not we're not knocking them, but what we're seeing. No,
we are kind of knocking them, but we're saying you
have to learn from man. Can you learn from Adam?
I mean, for for all my biblical people out there.
I mean, he was chilling right, mind his own business.
And then he was this woman named Eve, butt naked,

(33:39):
remember they don't had clothes there any butt naked with
a leaf talking about some can you bite of this?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
And he took the baby change.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Everybody's like, because we all be walking around butt naked
right now, wouldn't be no intellectual radio.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
We wouldn't need no job. We just have something to do.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
In the garden of Eve in Paradise gardener Eden. But man,
we can we can go to we can go to Sampson.
You know, for Almi biblical people, we go Sampson. All
the hair, my powers. But she started stroking his head.
She started winding and dying, and next thing, you know,
all his secrets were spilled out. I mean, we could

(34:18):
just go when it's something about women. When God made woman,
you know, asks David, you know when he saw Betshiba
taking the bath, but neckd.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Lost his mind. Are we go? We go?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
We can go to presidents. I mean presidents have fallen
and been impeach. Clinton was impeach, you know, having relations
with Monica Lewinsky.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean when Shining Sharp.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
Just bit the dust. The list goes on and on
and on. Brothers, when we're gonna get the the message.
So now he got the paper trail, and now it's
something about he's threatening her that because now she don't

(35:07):
know if she want to take the pill.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
And so you know what she do.

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Remember broughtther it's no money with power. She went to
talk to the people and everything hit the fans. So
now his mugshot is up, they come and arrest him.
You know, I mean, he already in violation in the
world anyway because of the you know, you know a
lot of the people in the world don't like these

(35:34):
mixed marriages and stuff, you know, And so now he
already suspects, and so they coming in and scoop him up,
and now everything is lost because of choices, and you
know what, and I'll even go this this far jail.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I felt sorry for the brother.

Speaker 4 (35:55):
Now I don't condone this behavior, but I felt sorry
for because they was gonna let him out of jail.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Where was he gonna have to go when he got a.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Jail home, he gotta go home.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
And I be like, just leave me, just leave me
in here. You you want to post bond, you want
to post better? Nope, nope, you know right, And she
apparently she ain't came up there to post it for him.
I'm just gonna stay here intil to my trial, to

(36:33):
my time. Can just continue to try, you know? No, no, no, no,
you're I stay You want us to let you out? No, no, no,
you're no, I'm good. I'm good Like O. My cousin Vinnie.
He was like, I just stay in jail this night.
So so so discipline man, So what can a young
player learn? What can what?

Speaker 3 (36:55):
What? What are your takes on this thing?

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Because it's been around for years, It's gonna be around
you know what. What get some wisdom to these brothers
on on what you were saying about this topic.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
My topic is my take on it is just like
I said, stay at home. I mean, you got more
to lose than the game. When you look at the
overall pitcher. Everything that's good, everything that's good that look
good to you ain't good for you. So you'll lose
more than your gain in the long run. Then you
sitting there sending at the bottom thinking I should have

(37:30):
stayed at home. I should have did this instead of
you doing it in the first place.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
Yeah, we talked about choices, man and manhood. Real manhood
is about doing your best to make discipline choices. It's
not the choices, and it might not be a sexy choice.
You know, walking away ain't always a sexy choice, you know,
saying no to somebody that you that you attracted to,

(37:57):
that's throwing it at you. It ain't, it ain't and
itn't always the sexy choice. You know, but but but
the right choice. You know, men make the best choices
for themselves and for their families and for those around them,
and so so you have to weigh the costs. You
have to sit down and take a look at what

(38:19):
what do I have to lose, What do I gain?
What do I have to lose? You know, men talk
always talk about making money. You know, got to get
this money, got to get this money. Well, if the
choices you're gonna make has any percentage to it of
you losing almost everything, then that should be an easy choice.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Brothers, we got to make better choices.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
We got time, we got talents, we have opportunities. But
what are the choices that you are making for your
life and for your family?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
And so so keep that in mind.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
The you know, with this manhood, you know thing, because
it's it's not much of a man if you end
up sitting behind bars, is not think Think Think of
how he was feeling as a man, everything that pumped
him up about the man and when he was with
the young lady or the assistant that he elevated. Not
only does he have to deal with is the media.

(39:19):
Not only did he lose a job, but let's talk
a man. We could talk about his future. Yes, I mean,
he didn't just lose. He will probably never coach again.
There's a possibility he will never have a coaching job
again because he just wasn't sucking at Michigan.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
You know, you know, he just wasn't not winning the
Big Ten.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
His action costs a lot of things.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
I just read the like, almost twenty five players on
the Michigan team is not going to play in the Bowl.
They pull to play in the Bowl. So his actions
what he did had a rippler effect.

Speaker 4 (39:51):
Yeah, ripple effect, and so so and so the next school,
Like if he would have just gotten fired because Michigan
was bad, not winning the Big Ten, not not going
to the college football playoffs, you know, somebody, even if
it's a smaller school, you know, we'll hire you because
of your big time experience to come in and work.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
At our school.

Speaker 4 (40:14):
Now, they got to determine if he got character flaws.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
You know, his action.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
You got to think of this ain't the first time
this happened.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
You got to think that the boss of Celtics with that. Yeah, yeah,
that is't the first time I did.

Speaker 5 (40:28):
I mean it's it's after you do some your action
afterwords count two because you don'ka did the same thing.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
Now he okay, he did it. He faded back. Now
he's back coaching with I want to say.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Oh he would he was Houston.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
So he got another coachure job.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Now more after it happened, he go over to the
young lady house and did all this and say I
don't want to kill myself to that another. So now
now you it's now the question your mental your mental
state now, so you're not gonna be able to coach
no more because just your.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
State is good.

Speaker 4 (41:02):
Yeah, these these are all issues that we struggle with
and with our definitions of manhood. But we started off
by saying, I think we we we we. You know,
you don't become a man when you get a good job.
You don't become a man when you're making six figures
are more. You don't become a man when you when
you get the hottest car, the biggest house. You don't

(41:23):
become a man. You know, uh, when you are able
to sleep with the finest women the dimes and and uh,
or you got you know a certain amount of women
that you've slept with, or you know that all that
stuff don't make you a man.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Say something, say, man, make the money money, don't make
the man.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
Man make the money money, don't make the man. And
so so let me so. So the quickest way to
to to lose what you got. And we look at
d K, we'll look at coach more. We got million
dollar men making minimum wage decisions. Million dollar men making

(42:07):
minimum wage decisions. And so for everybody who like, yeah,
I would have did the same thing I would, you
ain't even got a million dollars that stake to lose.
So so it's okay if you want to make that decision.
Minimum wage dudes do minimum wage things, but million dollar
men making minimum wage decisions. They don't go hand in hand.

(42:32):
And so and we see we see time at the
time again men men men losing. Oh and it checked
the other thing with Now, now, there's a clause in
Michigan's in the contract and their their HR policy that
says that, uh, the the one that that has the power,

(42:52):
they can't initiate a relationship with a subordinate, but the
subordinate can initiate three relationship with you.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Now get that? Did you did you hear that? Did
you just set up? Move? All right? Right? All right?

Speaker 4 (43:06):
He can't initiate it, but she can holler at him. Now,
if they decide to kick it, what's supposed to happen.
You gotta let the bosses in charge. No, but guess
what when you in the wrong? When?

Speaker 2 (43:19):
When?

Speaker 3 (43:20):
When? When?

Speaker 4 (43:20):
When all these clues are coming to you. Now that
if you decide to kick it with it, you got
to come and let us know. He couldn't let them
know because he's mad.

Speaker 5 (43:31):
So he and they came to him, and he denied it.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
She said, yep, he go to paperwork to receipts.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Take the out fellas, even even when we imperfect, even
when you lacking, uh, when we lacking in judgments sometimes and.

Speaker 3 (43:47):
We all do.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
Man, there's an outclause that you can take. And take
that outclause, get out of dodge. Don't make a bad
situation worse, you know. And then I mean he was
so well, I mean, I mean, look, Weed and I
have been in one way shape fashion for him. That
she lived in the same complex at one point that
some of the players lived in. So so it's like

(44:10):
all the players knew he was hitting it. And you
think it's not gonna leak out somewhere sooner or later,
I mean, I mean he did. I mean he made
so many errors. I mean like, I mean, like who
was I mean, if you gonna do wrong, I can't

(44:31):
you do it better than that? I mean, that's like
just asking to be caught, you know. And I've seen
bad criminals in twenty three years working with FIT. Its
like some really stupid criminals, you know. But but I mean,
but brother, you live in paper trails. You're leaving you
doing everything out there. It's like you you doing this
so big. You might as well have just told the
missus I'm out, this is sunshine, you know, kiss the kids,

(44:56):
I'm not coming.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Home tomorrow or a.

Speaker 4 (45:00):
And just going ahead, didn't tell the bosses, hey I'm divorcing.
I'm with I'm with Susan q On. We caring, and
we're gonna do this thing, and we're gonna.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Do it big.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
He still have his job, he still have his pride,
he still has his dignity, and so from a mental
health standpoint, you know, and then this brings me to another.
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Speaker 3 (45:44):
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Speaker 4 (45:46):
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Speaker 3 (45:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
But but from a from a mental health from standpoint,
you always wonder, what is it with the egos that
we have? What is it with the mindsets that we
have that we need to get someplace else to boost
us up. So we got the job, we got the notoriety.
You the head football coach. You're already the man on campus.

(46:12):
You're the man on campus, and so you're making millions
of dollars. You got a nice car. What is it
about your past? What is it.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
About maybe some trauma? Maybe?

Speaker 4 (46:25):
What is it about that little boy within that keeps
telling you what I got ain't enough?

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Oh that's deeck. What's going on there?

Speaker 4 (46:35):
And I can't find an answer in myself all by myself.
When we talk about mental health matters for men, man,
getting help, sitting down, talking to somebody about things helps
you weed out and maybe go a better path on
this thing called life, this journey called life. That's why
mental health matters for men. So we see, we see

(46:59):
the blueprint of how to go to jail, but we
still end up living or go to jail lifestyle. We
see the blueprint on how to get killed, but we
still end up living that lifestyle. We see how to
lose it all, you know, for for a little bit
of a good time, for a moment.

Speaker 3 (47:14):
Everything that you.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
Work for, all the hard work, the years that you
put in, gone just for some pleasure. Man, what are
we really looking for as men and so? So? You know,
think about that, do a self evaluation and get therapy.
You know, it don't have to last for a long time.
Big misconceptions there. We gotta last for a long time.

(47:36):
It means you crazy, It mean you're hearing voices, it
means you depressed. That ain't what it's all about. The
guys I see, I got several people, don't. None of
them fit that description.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
Man.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
They just trying to navigate this thing called life and
so and how to make better choices to elevate you.
So facts and closing anything you want to say in closing, brother,
just men.

Speaker 5 (48:01):
Just swallow that pride sometime fall that swallow that pride,
Swallow that ego. You ain't gotta be the big big
man on campus all the time. It's okay take the
back seat sometime. It's okay to be here to see
another day, be home with your family and live enjoy life.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yes, sir, Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
And to all my older guys out there, man, find
you a young dude to mentor find you somebody, build
a relationship with them so that when they be going
through these things, you can come in and give them
some wisdom. They can't read about it in the book.
They ain't gonna see it over here. They man, they
gotta sit down and talk to somebody. What was you
about to say?

Speaker 5 (48:38):
That's one thing that men don't do, though, will and
I was to say that women they talk to each other,
best girlfriend, girlfriend, they'll tell each other everything. But men
and men, we could be going through so much. We
canna be going through so much. And another your best friend,
I'll ask you, shoe you go, damn man, I'm good, Joe,
I'm good, I'm head, thank good. You can be going

(48:58):
through a lot. All you'll do talk about find you
a friend that you trust or like. Will say therapy,
go to therapy.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
Yeah, who you rolling with? Who's your tribe? Your tribe
determines your vibe. So that's it for this show. I
want to thank everybody for listening this thing called manhood.
We're gonna be out next week, but we'll be back
the following week. Got a really hot show for you
all then. But I want to leave you with what
I leave you with all the time. First of all,
have a safe New year, make good choices. I want

(49:29):
to thank my brother Fats for coming in and talk
about this thing called manhood. But the thing I'm gonna
leave you with is when I leave you with every
single week. Also, I want to thank you for tuning
in to Intellectual Radio dot Com.

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