Catholic School Shooting Breakdown

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Speaker 1 (00:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hello and welcome to Investigators podcast. I'm your host Chad
alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're talking
about the horrific shooting at the Catholic School in Minneapolis
today during a back to school mass this morning, twenty
three year old Robin Westman opened fire through the stained
glass windows. Two children were killed, seventeen others wounded, and
chaos broke out inside what should have been a safe

(00:54):
place of worship and learning. The shooter died by suicide
at the scene, and authorities are now investigating possible motives,
including whether this was a hate crime.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
In in the middle of the terror, there.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Were stories of bravery, like one child shield and his
friend from the gunfire. This tragedy is another stark reminder
of how fragile safety feels in America's schools and churches,
and all of this we're going to break down on
tonight's show. It is August the twenty seventh, twenty twenty five.
The name of this song is Heart in America, because
whenever we talk about stories like this, it is very

(01:23):
hard to talk about I'm gonna be honest with you, guys.
I was debating even doing this episode because quite honestly,
things have just felt off lately the past three or
four days. For me anyways, it's just like the world
fills off. There's something out there that feels strange. And
I woke up today to just a kind of cluster
of text and all these other things going on. And

(01:46):
I think it was Sherry that told me, Hey, there's
another school shooting, at a Catholic school this time, And
one of my first reactions was anger.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Right, obviously, you worry and.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Are concerned about the children and they're safety and well being,
but it's just anger because this happens all too often.
And although the very first thing we started hearing on
mainstream media was blaming guns or trying their very best
to politicize this in any way they possibly could, except
for likely what the real reason behind this shooting was,

(02:18):
which is, as something we've talked about very regularly, is
evil and there is so much evil, yes, and mental
illness is rampant in this country. And instead of mainstream
media and the government in most cases trying to do
something to help people that are mentally ill, all they're
doing in a lot of ways, is condoning a lot
of the mental illness. They're hyping it up. They're protesting,

(02:40):
they're having parades for stuff, They're having all of these
various things to encourage people to look, you're not mentally ill,
You're completely fine, don't worry about it, right and then on,
you know, there's some of the stuff in the manifesto
today that I was reading that we're going to also
kind of break down a lot of what he said
in the manifesto. When I say he, but he actually
changed his name to she, which is Robin. He was

(03:02):
originally Robert Westman. Changed his name to Robin Westman.

Speaker 4 (03:06):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Seven seven when he was still a minor. Okay, when
he's still a minor. Obviously his mom signed off of it.
We're going to get into all of that. But this
is a hard topic. This is something that we do
not take lightly when we talk about this, and the
reason why we feel like we have to do this
episode is because just watching all the mainstream media, whether
it's MSNBC or CNN or all the other various news sources,

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they are just trying to hide everything they possibly can
about this entire shooting, and what we want to do
is at least expose the truth. We want you guys
to know about what actually happened today. And we're not
going to glorify the shooter, although yes, we are going
to read and talk about the manifesto. We want to
dive into like why and what would lead someone to this,

(03:52):
because I think there is some key points in the
manifesto that we should go over because there are things
that he glorified or or was a obsessed with, whether
it be school shootings or other people recently that has
been in the news, like Luigi Mangione where he killed
the United Healthcare CEO. We did a podcast on that
a while back. This guy was obviously way off mentally ill.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
He was evil.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
He is no longer around, thank god, even though he
is a coward. By killing himself, he didn't want to
face the justice system.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
And I just wish he would have killed himself before
he killed others, is what's really sad about it. And
he knew he had emotional issues. I mean, he wrote it, it
was all over his manifest But even knowing that, you know,
he was still wanting to carry this act out because
it was just stuck in his mind and he could
not get around it. And he even said, I am

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not going to go to therapy. I'm not going to
get help because it's just going to make me a
target where they're going to put me on a hit list,
where they're watching me.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, and he felt like in some of his writing
that he was already on this. But that just opens
up a whole other conversation about like, how are we
reacting to people that do have mental illness? Is there
something that we could be doing differently? And that's just
the truth. I mean, for people that do truly have
these thoughts of murder, of mass murder, of school shootings,
of all this stuff, they're likely never going to reach

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out to someone for help because obviously, as this guy said,
and we'll read it in just a little bit, you know,
he felt like as soon as he reached out to
a therapist or friends or family, he was automatically going
to be put on a list or he was going
to be put in a middle institution. And that is
what he feared, which is why he never actually went
and got help. But I want to go ahead and
actually read the story. So a children's mass at Annunciation

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Catholic Church in school in South Minneapolis ended in tragedy
Wednesday morning this morning when a gunman opened fire, killing
two children and wounding seventeen others before taking their own life.
Now police say the shooting began shortly after eight thirty
am as students and parishioners gathered inside the church sanctuary.
The suspect, identified as twenty three year old Robin M.

(05:54):
Westman of Richfield, fired a semi automatic rifle through the
church's stained glass windows. Also was carrying a shotgun and handgun,
all legally purchased now he also used these other weapons.
He not only just used the semi automatic rifle, but
he also used the handgun and the shotgun. Witnesses had
teachers shouted for children to get down as pew splintered

(06:15):
under the barrage of bullets. Parishioners tried to shield students
as chaos spread. The gunfire stopped within minutes when Westman
turned a weapon on himself and the victims. So far,
officials confirmed the following fatalities two children aged eight and ten,
injuries seventeen people in total, fourteen children between the ages
of six and fifteen, three elderly parishioners in their eighties,

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and hospitals reported at least seven victims in critical condition,
many requiring surgery.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
And we're going to get to that interview as well.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Now, the shooter, Westman had personal ties to the annunciation
she Akah. She attended the parish school as a child,
and her mother once worked it there as a secretary.
And let's just make something very clear. She is a he.
I mean she or he changed his name to she
like Sherry said in seventh grade.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
But you know, he is a he.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Hours before the attack, Westman uploaded disturbing YouTube video showing
weapons marked with anti Catholic messages, along with a hand
drawn floor plan of the church. Authorities also recovered writings
that express hostility towards religion, suicidal thoughts, and threats against
political figures aka Donald Trump. And it wasn't just Catholics
that he was talking about. He basically was talking about everybody.
He talked about Jews, he talked about Catholics, he talked

(07:27):
about you name it.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
I mean he kind of hated everybody.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Well, he hated Jews more than he did anyone.

Speaker 5 (07:33):
And that's what I was reading on X today is
like if he hated Jews this much. Why did he
go after a Catholic church and wouldn't he go to
a synagogue?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. That is weird.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
The FBI in Minneapolis police are investigating the shooting as
a hate motivated active domestic terrorism. Officials confirmed that the
weapons were legally purchased in Minnesota, and investigators are reviewing
Westman's online activity and manifesto for insight into motive. Community response.
Mayor j Frey called the killings absolutely incomprehensible. Governor Tim
Watts pledged state resources for families and survivors. Donald Trump

(08:07):
ordered flags lower to half staff nationwide in honor of
the victims, and Pope Leo, through Cardinal Pietro Herolin, sent
condoles's and offered prayers from the Vatican. Bishop Kevin Kenney
visited victims' families at Hindepen Healthcare say in the church
community was devastated but united in faith, and a family
resource center has been set up to provide counselor mills

(08:29):
and financial support for those affected. So I want to
go ahead and get into the press conference. This press
conference was immediately following the shootings. This was probably about
two or three hours. I guess after the shooting our time. Yeah,
and this is the police chief, the mayor. We'll get
into this and then we're going to break it down.
We're also obviously on this episode going to get into
the manifesto. We're going to also get into and break

(08:51):
down his video. It's a ten minute long video where
he was talking some crazy shit and I do want
to play the video because I think that you have
to understand this type of person and it's almost like
a possession. We've talked a lot about that on this podcast,
where people can get possessed, they can go so insane
if you allow that connection in from the devil, and

(09:13):
especially with how much he hated Christianity or religion or
Jews or whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I mean he literally had.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
A target, a range target for firearm target. He had
that where he showed it on video and it had
Jesus Christ with the thorn crown on top of him
as the target.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
It was right the head piece of the whole target. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (09:36):
Yeah, So any kind of scary laughs about it. And
that's what's so scary because in this manifesto he does
talk about the hate of religion that it is man made,
you know, And I've talked about this several times and
it kind of scared me when I was reading this stuff.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
It's like, gosh, I hope he wasn't listening.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
To me, you know, because you know, a lot of
times I don't hate religion, but it's hard for me
to totally trust in religion because it is a you know,
a man made religion. And he was kind of going
off that same picture.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, even though I mean, you're definitely not like this guy.
I mean, yes, you question things about religion and what
religion you should be in and how you should believe
in what you should believe, But this guy is demonic.
He had evil in him, that is through and through.
It is pretty obvious actually with how much and how
much time, and even the way he laughs and talks,
and you know, part of that you could say is show.

(10:30):
But this guy actually carried out these heinous acts, you know,
And I would assume the devil was walking with him
as he did this, and he was walking him through
the entire process. And if you guys have not listened
to a lot of our episodes where we talk about
this stuff, you know, demonic spirits on this earth are
very very real, and it was not only probably one
or two or three episodes ago where sharing and we're

(10:51):
talking about the fact of like, if you do communicate
with these things or even like Ouiji boards or you know,
just the.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Paranormal, you gotta be very careful.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
And you've got to be very careful because you don't
know what may attach to you. Now, you could say
that this is absolutely just a mental illness, but this
is a scar. This is a wound in this person
that the devil latched onto and utilized and infiltrated. And
I think that's I mean, I just don't know how
us to explain it. Agree, But let's go ahead and
get into the press conference.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
There are no words that can capture the horror and
the evil of this unspeakable act. Children are dead. They
are families that have a deceased child. You cannot put
into wards the gravity, the tragedy, or the absolute pain

(11:48):
of this situation.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
We are a Minneapolis family.

Speaker 6 (11:55):
But to everybody out there, do not think of these
as just somebody else's kids. Those families are suffering immense
pain right now.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Think of this as if it were your own.

Speaker 6 (12:11):
Every one of us needs to be wrapping our arms
around these families, giving them every ounce that we can muster.
These were Minneapolis families, these were American families, and the
amount of pain that they are suffering right now is extraordinary.

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And don't just say this is about thoughts and prayers
right now, these kids were literally praying. It was the
first week of school, they were in a church. These
are kids that shouldn't be learning with their friends. They
should be playing on the playground. They should be able
to go to school or church in peace without the

(12:55):
fear or risk of violence, and their parents should have
the same kind of assurance. These are the sort of
basic assurances that every family should have every step of
the day, regardless of where they are in our country.
I'm so deeply saddened and I'm so sorry to the

(13:18):
families that I know are suffering right now. My ask
is to everyone stand by them, love them. These families
have forever been changed, and we've all been changed with them.
We need to do everything possible to support them through

(13:38):
this time. We have a family resource center that has
been set up. I'm grateful for all of the law
enforcement agencies from a number of different jurisdictions and all
the different departmental support that we've received.

Speaker 7 (13:57):
They're going to be working tirelessly.

Speaker 6 (14:00):
There's also a family resource center that is being set
up as we speak to.

Speaker 7 (14:05):
Make sure that we're there for everybody.

Speaker 6 (14:11):
Again, to the families that are suffering, to those that
have experienced loss, I'm so deeply sorry.

Speaker 7 (14:18):
We're going to be with you every step of the way.
We love you.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
This kind of act of evil should never happen, and
it happens far too often. The chief will provide additional details.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
My name is Brian O'Hara an O apostrophe H A
r A. I am the Minneapolis Police Chief. Earlier today,
just before eight thirty am, our city experienced an unthinkable tragedy.
Minneapolis police officers responded to a report of a shooting

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at a mass that was happening at the Annunciation Roman
Catholic Church on the block behind me. This worship service
was marking the first week of school for children that
are attending the Annunciation Catholic School. During the mass, a
gunman approached on the outside on the side of the

(15:17):
building and began firing a rifle through the church windows
towards the children sitting in the pews. At the mess,
shooting through the windows. He struck children and worshipers that
were inside the building. The shooter was armed with a rifle,
a shotgun, and a pistol. This was a deliberate act

(15:42):
of violence against innocent children and other people worshiping. The sheer,
cruelty and cowardice of firing into a church full of
children is absolutely incomprehensible. Police officers from the Minneapolis Police

(16:02):
Department immediately responded, entered the church and attempted to provide
first aid and rescued some of the children that were
hiding throughout the building, while other first responders came and
ems responded to rush victims to nearby hospitals. Two young children,

(16:24):
ages eight and ten, were killed where they sat in
the pews. Their parents have been notified. Seventeen other people
were injured, fourteen of them being children. Two of those
children are in critical condition. The coward who fired these

(16:47):
shots ultimately took his own life in the rear of
the church. Our hearts are broken for the families who
have lost their children, for these young lives that are
now fighting to recover, and for our entire community that
has been so deeply traumatized by this senseless attack. We

(17:09):
will stand together to protect our children, our schools, and
our houses of worship. This deliberate act of violence is
just a sign of cruelty that is beyond comprehension.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
Our hearts.

Speaker 8 (17:29):
Our hearts are broken for everyone that's been affected by
this tragedy. As we begin the difficult path of healing,
I want the community to know this that even in
the face of such evil, the Minneapolis Police Department and
all of our law enforcement partners stand with our community.
We stand with these families and with this parish. We

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will continue to be here for you. With that investigation
is obviously in its preliminary stages, and I will attempt
to take.

Speaker 9 (18:01):
Some questions to provide further information.

Speaker 8 (18:03):
What can you tell us about the suspect in this case,
how how old was he? Any kind of motivation, any notes,
or any other recutuation. So we were looking the question
was what can be said about the shooter. We believe
it is one suspect, a soul shooter. We believe he
is deceased, He is in his early twenties, does not

(18:25):
have an extensive known criminal history, and we are looking
through information left behind to try and determine some type
of motive.

Speaker 9 (18:37):
How many children?

Speaker 8 (18:40):
I don't have an exactly The question was how many
children at the school. There were dozens of children inside
the mass at the time. I don't have an exact count.
The children have been relocated into the school, which is
where their families are reunifying with them.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
BGE was a shooter a student? The former student was
the The question was do we know if the student
was if the shooter.

Speaker 8 (19:07):
Was a former school employee or a former student, We
don't have that information.

Speaker 10 (19:14):
Behind the weapon.

Speaker 8 (19:16):
No, there's a vehicle. The question was, was anything left behind.
There's a vehicle that we believe that the suspect used
that is being searched.

Speaker 11 (19:23):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
And and we are we will be conducting other searches
related to this.

Speaker 9 (19:30):
Inside the parking lot here.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
There was some neighbors who said that the door to
the church had been barricaded.

Speaker 11 (19:37):
YEP.

Speaker 8 (19:37):
So the question was neighbors had said that the door
to the church had been barricaded.

Speaker 9 (19:42):
Uh.

Speaker 8 (19:43):
The shooter approached on one side of the church building
and on that side at least two doors. It appears
there had been like a two by four placed, so
not all of the doors around.

Speaker 9 (19:55):
The building, but on the side where the shooter did
fire and on the outside, on the outside. Yes. The
question was was there any explosives? There were reports of that.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
There were no explosives or improvised devices that we found.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
I do believe there was one.

Speaker 8 (20:13):
I guess you would call it a smoke bomb, like
not an explosive, but a sort of a firework that
would release smoke.

Speaker 7 (20:19):
Which side of the building sound.

Speaker 8 (20:22):
The side that is closest to us here on this side,
so let's see. I don't have specific information on that
that I can release.

Speaker 9 (20:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
The question was is he dead from a gunshot wound?
The answer is yes, we believe he took his own
life in the parking.

Speaker 12 (20:40):
Lot outside inside that he was.

Speaker 8 (20:46):
The question was he shooting outside and inside? He was
absolutely shooting outside of the building on the side of
the church. Inside through the windows. It appears he may
have gone inside, but I don't believe we've located any
casings inside the building, so I'm not certain if he
fired also while inside. It appears, if not all, most
of the shooting happened outside the building. He shooting related

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to any other shooting should happen. So yeah, Taylor's asking,
is this related to any of the other shootings. This
does not appear to be related to any other shooting
in the city.

Speaker 7 (21:17):
You proximately have any rounds about it.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
The question was how many rounds. I would say it's
in the dozens. We don't have an exact count. There's
a sidewalk on the outside as well as a grassy area,
so obviously we are we are going through and taking
our time to process the scene. Rueshion was was he
firing one weapon? We believe he had fired all three?
He had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
Was this individual licensed to conceal that.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
Jerry didn't have? These were the weapons? Was he lawfully
carrying the weapons? I don't have that information, and I
don't have any information on any significant criminal history either.

Speaker 11 (21:56):
Was he dressed at all in any type of hear
or anything.

Speaker 8 (22:00):
It appeared he had some black clothing on his cargo
type pants. I guess you could interpret that as you know, however, you.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Like, ladies and gentlemen, Thank you for all right.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So that was the press conference, and sorry it was
mostly in the right ear there. But it seems like
all of the press conferences that we are able to
find is either in left.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Or right ear.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
So I want to break down a couple of things. Obviously,
the mayor was the first one you heard talk. He
is the mayor of Minneapolis, and he says, you know,
this is not about thoughts and prayers. These kids were
literally praying when they were shot. Obviously, the suspect in
this case, Robin Westman, was shooting from outside of the
church building or I guess you can say school. And

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you know, that just kind of makes me even think
more cowardly shited from him. He could not face them.
He wanted to shoot from outside. He did not want
to see what actually was happening inside of the church.
That kind of is what it makes me think.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Well, and he even barricaded some of the doors, and
he shows this on the video, this long plank to
board and on the side it's got like gas and
it says something bad about Jews. But he literally was
barricading them in so they couldn't get out.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Yeah, Which the whole thing doesn't make sense about the
whole jew deal, right, because he goes to a Catholic
church to write stuff about Jews on a board that
he's barricading people inside of a church.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
That's also very strange.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
And it's not just that.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I mean he has many messages about that and other
things in other people.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah, and we're going to get into all of that,
but it's just weird, right, I mean, you go to
a Catholic church to kill kids, which is I guess
what he wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
This was a target attack, as.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
They said, yeah, against children.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, as the mayor said, they should be able to
go to school without worrying about being shot and killed.
But you know, you have to understand this church, this
school is a soft target. Why is it a soft
target because there are no people with guns there. If
you have people in areas with guns, then you're automatically
on a level playing field with a potential shooter in

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this situation. So for example, like schools, elementary schools, high schools,
most schools in America have school resource officers now and
we had talked about that with Nick Duncan on many
episodes where you know, we're talking about even today, like
all these high schoolers that are committing all these crimes,
these shootings in Spartanburg and throughout the country. You know,
how do you kind of interject into this and stop

(24:22):
the violence between or at least, I guess within the
youth community. And the only way you can kind of
do that is to infiltrate them in schools and figure
out what they're doing, who they're hanging out with, what
gangs are a part of. But this, and in this
particular instance, I guess they do not have school resource
officers at a Catholic or private school. I don't know
that any actually private schools or Christian schools have school

(24:44):
resource officers.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
That is one good thing about public schools.

Speaker 11 (24:46):
They do.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But even that, you know, share you were in the
school system for a very long time, you know, you
guys only have one school resource officer.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I don't really want to divulge that information to people
out there in the public, but yeah, there are usually
at least a one, but you never know their schedule.
You never know where they're going to be. They can
show up at your room, they can be in the
administration office, and that's part of their job is to
be out through the building inside and outside to protect
the building. But like we were talking about earlier, it's

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hard for one resource officer to protect a whole school.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, but at least you know, with school resource officers,
you do have someone there with a weapon that is
able to potentially neutralize a threat if need be, which
is also the reasoning why resource officers are supposed to
be moving throughout the building, never in the same place,
because if you get into a pattern and someone is
watching or case in a school, they're going to be
able to figure this out. And this is what this

(25:43):
guy did. He cased the place. He was a part
of this school at one point in time. You know,
he had a history here, so he kind of knew
how things worked, He knew the building. He likely also
knew when this mass was going to happen in this
particular area of the building, So we kind of had
all of this planned out.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
Well, I just want to make something clear, like where
the mass was happening was in the actual church, but
the school is like almost a block away, so they
had moved all the children into the church for this
mass kind of opening ceremony. You know, fun times begin
with school, and you know how much fun we're going
to have learning this year, and this was what this

(26:20):
was supposed to be, and it turned out to be
a very very sad incident.

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Now this shooter also had all of this writing with
this white pen or white marker that went on all
of his weapons. So not only it was writing on
his weapons, but his magazines, you know, Like we said,
in this particular case, he had three different weapons he
actually took to the school and they all had writing
on them. And so let's break down some of that

(26:46):
writing and what it means. So if you guys have
saw the videos, it's kind of hard to decipher what
some of this stuff means. And some of these words
are censored just to I guess, kind of in brevity,
what I would say.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
Some of them are in different languages. Is English and
some of it's Russian.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, Brevick, It says reference Anders bearing Brevick, perpetrator of
the twenty eleven Norway attacks. That was one of the writings.
Brenton Forever references the Brenton terrant, the Christ's Church shooter,
which also, by the way, the christ Church shooter had
all of the very similar writings on his weapons when
he committed to Christ's Church shooting in New Zealand. He

(27:25):
also has like a phoenix, we rise from the ashes,
symbolic metaphoric statement of rebirth or resilience. He also had
FTW references either f the world or for the whin.
There was also six million Wasn't enough. It references the
anti Semitic statement regarding Jews born to shit, forced to
wipe references twenty nineteen mem He also had writing fd

(27:48):
or fo unclear meaning on that such as life is
one of them, soul paiz, which is referencing a teen
shooter that was linked to a school threat in Colorado
twenty twenty two. He also had burned Israel on one
of the weapons. He had destroy Hias or highest reference
in highest Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society assistance refugees. He also

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had f everything that you stand for. He also had
suck on this where is your god? C y ka,
which is Russian profanity literally meaning bitch, I'm the woker baby.
Why so querious was one of the others. There's also
some more Russian writing that slightly misspelled correct spelling is
kill yourself. He also had another a Russian writing that

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says I am a nightmare. He had also nuke India.
He had the big one. He had a fart inward.
He had Russian wording saying hate or kill yourself. He
also had wording saying kill Donald Trump. He also had
a rip and tear he said for the children on
one weapon. He also had R DASH zero two, likely

(28:59):
a weapon or magazine designation. He also had mavey representing
Timothy mcveay Oklahoma City bomb in nineteen ninety five. He
had cair and Brad reference and username associated with Adam
Lanza Sandy Hook shooter. He had the word fuck. He
had sorry mom on one of them. He had come cum,
he had pain and hate. He had made in the

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and incomplete or unclear it did not really you couldn't
really read exactly what that said. He had ha haa
ha ha ha represent the joker style laugh. He had
R dash to zero four. He had more than ten.
He had F you eat shit. He had the F
word as in faggot. He had r O dash three.
He had I love you, he has get clapped, he

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has hate you, vape, good f this world, R dash
zero six unhappy, emoticon bird, unclear what that means. Mashalla,
which is Arabic God has willed it. Lanza or Reshkahav
represent Adam Lanza again. White Man Lapine references Charles Whiteman,

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possible homage to another shooter. Then you have Avier Holmes
represent James Holme, the Aurora Shooter. You also had N
fifty one. You had Scabeiti. You had Psycho Killer or
Dash zero one. You had a smiley face emoticon. You
had Change My Stars. You had Scum Gang Trelolo Loo.

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You had sixty nine. You had the word f fuck
graffiti symbol unclear, kick a spick, which is a racist
slur upside down pentagram. You also had six six six
plus seven nine four one nine. You had another one
that says have fun. You had Killer Saedist sponsored by

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Black Rock. On another one evil face drawing Killer. You
had Live Sorry, Live, Laugh, Love each on separate magazines.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
You had Vakii Bakili Weaver.

Speaker 2 (31:03):
You also had in Russia vodka and reb Reb may
reference electronic warfare or a personal code. Number seventy four
is there is no message. Number seventy five minus fifty one.
Number seventy six is thirteen the number thirteen. You had auDA.
You had a smiley emoji. You had extra thick thhicc.

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You had jew Gas. Then you had Guy Bartes referring
to Guy Edward Bartkas, a man who carried out at
twenty twenty five bombing at a Palm Springs fertility clinic.
You had eat shit, you had inverted cross, you had
released the list.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
It says warning, no remorse. You had pain. You had freedom.
Where's your God?

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
F this world? Take this all of you and eat.
You had bark karzod. You had ssbsts unclear, possibly personal code.
You had kiss me. You had f optics Riddler referenced
DC Comics character. Maybe you had also humanity is overrated.

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You had nothing ever happens. Also in Russian, I will
and it was an unfinished statement dot dot dot ted Ka,
probably referencing Ted Kazinski, the unibomber. It also says do
you believe in God? Hello, brother, play on, which is
an experimental film title. It was in Russian kill Pedos

(32:30):
Robert buwers mir me, Well you're here Rup Now you
also have follow me you wu. You also have Waco,
likely represent the nineteen ninety three Waco siege. We live
in a society, which is a meme or cultural phrase.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Thank god.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Per Brevik, which is Andrew Raevik was responsible for the
twenty eleven Norway attacks that killed seventy seven people.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
You had bowl pilled a meme. Slang.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You had kill Trump. Now you had penguin artwork. We
had we was kings, which is a meme or racial trolling.
You have remove Kabab meme, anti Muslim slogan. You had
Israel must fall, you had fuck Naija. You also had
Russian shoot yourself, and then you had edups and then
you had Russian nightmare.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
So the interesting thing about all these writings, you.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Know, let's not just make it about Jews, because you know,
he talks about Muslims, he talks about India, he talks
obviously he just killed Catholics.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
You know, it was like he hated all religion.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Yeah, but it was complete really sad.

Speaker 5 (33:28):
Is like on the barrel of the gun is where
he had this smiley face, you know, almost like he
was imagining that he was pointing an innocent child with
a smileing face.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, it's pretty sick. It's absolutely sick.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And we're going to go over his his manifesto in
just a second, and then we're going to break all
this down, like what does this really mean? Is there
a bigger meaning? Is he just crazy or is he
just evil? But like, what is the true meaning behind
all of this? Because it's almost like with all the
writings on all of his guns, you can't really point
to one thing. I mean, you know, you could say Jews,

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which I'm sure the Jews will run with, or the
Jewish people run with, or the Jewish propaganda media. I
don't know that Muslims are going to run anything because
they don't really have a lot of in America.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
But Russian language, yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
The Russian language is another thing. And then he also
had a lot of stuff in cyrillic.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
I guess language. We'll get into that in just a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
But I wanted to go ahead, and he had a
video which is highly disturbing, and guys, I want to
go ahead and preface this, and I should have prefaced
this in the very beginning. If you guys have kids
or whatever, don't let him listen to this because obviously,
you know you don't want your kids scared going to
church or not church, well church or school. Yeah, but
this is a video that he had posted and it's

(34:40):
eleven minute video that was posted by this psychotic shooter.
And he kind of goes through some of his manifesto,
but he doesn't really talk a lot about what's in
the manifesto. Instead, he just kind of has a lot
of weird things going on, and you can just kind
of hear his mentality in his sick mind in this
eleven minute video.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
And we'll talk on the backside of this. Listen.

Speaker 13 (35:05):
Uh m hmmm.

Speaker 7 (35:14):
Mm hmmm, shweet.

Speaker 13 (35:19):
Here's my note to my family and ship. Uh wow,
some some English writing. Uh hope you can read that. Yeah, Pace, love,

(35:45):
unity and guns.

Speaker 11 (35:50):
Fuck uh.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Fuck uh my brother.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Fuck uh.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And he's thrown down AMMO. On his letter to his family.
It looks like probably forty rounds or so. It looks
like non millionaire.

Speaker 13 (36:15):
Get fucked.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
And he's talking reference in his weir koozy it says.

Speaker 13 (36:22):
This message brought to you Blackrock and Exxon Mobile sponsored
by perhaps Blue Ribbon. Brandon Herrera for President.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
All right, I got to pause here. Obviously he's talking
about block Rock again. He's talked and references this in
his manifesto, he says, Brandon Herrera for President. If you
don't know who Brandon Herrera is, he is this huge
guy on YouTube that has he's known as the AK Guy.
He's also on x obviously, but Brandon Herrera donut operator
a lot of the I guess you can call gun

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tubers or the gun influencers on YouTube. Brandon Herrera was
a guy that was running for a seat in Texas,
and Brandon Herrera is one of the most I guess,
most well known gun YouTubers on YouTube, besides Demolition Ranch
and some of those others. But you know, this is
yet again a reference to a YouTuber. There was another

(37:22):
school shooter. I don't know if it's a school shooter.
I can't remember exactly who.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
It was, the Catholic girl in Texas.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
No, I don't think, No, I don't think that's what
it was. Oh okay, no, I don't think. But I
remember when they mentioned Demolition Ranch Ranch. But yeah, so
he was referencing there was some other shooter that was
a referencing Demolition Ranch or Matt is his better known name.
Matt actually retired from YouTube. He did his last video
like seven or eight months ago. But I cannot remember

(37:48):
who the shooter was at this time. But this guy
talking about Brandon Herrera, he talks about he met Brandon
at a shot show, which is a shot show is
like a big gun expo. Brandon Herrera actually went on
to release a statement after hearing that his name was mentioned,
which we'll get into that statement in just a little bit,
but I just wanted to kind of explain Brandon Herrera
for president. It's like he's trying to put everyone into

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the manifesto, everyone that he can possibly think of, whether
it's Jews or Christians or Catholics or Muslims and the
YouTubers that are on the right, and Donald Trump and
even you know what was it the fertility clinic and
literally everything in all of this is trying to reference everything.
It's almost like a puzzle, is what he was trying

(38:33):
to create to where you didn't really one hundred percent
know what he was pissed off about. But then he
talks about black Rock exonmobile in his manifesto, which we'll
get into later. He also mentions, you know United Healthcare,
so you think about Luigi Mangione, which also killed the
United Healthcare CEO, which will get into.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
Likely why someone would be mentioned in all this shit.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
To me, from everything I have been thinking about on this,
this guy is a product of complete insanity and brainwashed
from mainstream media and everything that he consumed on a
regular basis, like Cherry. You remember when Luigi Mangeon after
he shot the United Healthcare CEO, and supposedly that was
because you know, healthcare is so awful in America. We

(39:15):
pay so much but we get little healthcare, which he
also mentions in his manifesto. And this guy mentioned that
his manifesto. But you know, I remember we did an
episode on it, and it was like on mainstream media
when they would bring out Luigi in New York, when
they landed him in New York with a helicopter and
they do like the Purp walk. It was like a

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walk that they did in Joker the movie or something
like that, where he was handcuffed, he had shackles, he
was in an orange jumpsuit. He had like fifty people
to one hundred law enforcement officers around him. It was
all like all the cameras were there ready to take
this amazing shot. They almost glorified Luigi in a lot

(39:57):
of ways of mainstream media. They made him look like
this hero of the alternate side of anti establishment, anti capitalism.
This has been a mass movement for quite a while,
the anti fascist movement. I guess you can say Luigi
was probably in that. This guy seems like likely he
is on the anti fascist movement because he kind of

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hates everything.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Well and also too, he has self diagnosed himself with
having loan cancer from vaping. He was never diagnosed, but
he says in his manifesto that I'm probably dying of
lung cancer and maybe that's why he hates healthcare. But
I don't think he ever got diagnosed with lung cancer.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
He just felt like he was dying.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Well, we're going to listen to a few more minutes
of this, but I just want to break it down
since you guys cannot see this video, and if you
want to see the video, there's a lot of videos
out there on X or wherever you want to see,
and probably mostly on X because I'll be honest, like
everything everywhere we go to try to find information about
this has been censored a band except for X SO, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, chat, GBT,

(41:02):
you name it, everything. Four Chance bandon it too. Yeah,
So it's like they don't want the information out. They
don't want any of this information out for whatever reason.
Maybe they think this guy is going to idolize other people,
but I think really as more so on the on
the term of like they don't want to be blamed
because of how much they propped up, you know, whether
it's the trans movement or the ideological beliefs of a

(41:24):
lot of what people have established in their minds as like,
you know, the system, everything about everything is bad, especially
the right and especially capitalism, and especially all this. It's
the anti fascist movement, it's the socialist movement in whole.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
And I don't even.

Speaker 2 (41:39):
Necessarily think this guy is one particular side. I think
this guy is just crazy and evil. But let's listen
to some more of this video and we'll break it
down as we see it.

Speaker 13 (41:52):
Yeah, I met Brandon Herrera at Shot show last year.
He and I had a conversation, a brief conversationation, but
I think we agreed on a lot of things. So
y'all should vote for Brandon Harre for president. And uh,
vintage warfare promotes love and peace and accepting differences.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
Tuck, okay.

Speaker 9 (42:29):
To morrow.

Speaker 13 (42:34):
I'm sorry to my family, but that's it. That's the
only people I'm sorry to.

Speaker 7 (42:42):
Fuck those kids, scary.

Speaker 8 (42:53):
Scary ship.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
And right now he's just walking through his house. He's
pulling out a vape. Now I regret everything.

Speaker 13 (43:15):
I didn't ask for life, you didn't ask for death,
like fucking stars. And yeah, watch my name and let

(43:35):
me go bank.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Now he's showing a picture of this uh, this paper
target and has Jesus Christ as the head of the target.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Fuck.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
Now he's showing all his weapons that has all the
writing on them, which we read all the writing already
in the previous post. And he's basically picking up all
the magazines.

Speaker 4 (44:17):
H I am the worker, baby, why so querious?

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Ah mm hmmm.

Speaker 13 (44:31):
Where is your fucking god now?

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Shit?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
And as you hear him, he's like, you know, where
is your God now?

Speaker 5 (44:48):
Yeah, But it's almost like he's getting off on it,
like having an orgasm about it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Gibb it he is.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
It's this is satan in him, That's what it is.
He's connected with something.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
Gone gang.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
This magazine says for the children. And then this magazine
is the one that's kick a spick and six sixty six.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
The big Boy, and that's the double mag right.

Speaker 13 (45:23):
Yeah, fucking RiPP in Terror, rip in Tear, that's the
big one.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
Just sickening.

Speaker 13 (45:32):
Don't forget to live, Uh, love and love.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Live, Laugh and Love is on three magazines first nine milimeter,
each one having lived, laugh and Love on him.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
And this one's for me in case I need it
and this is a revolver looks like probably a thirty eight.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
This is his suicide weapon.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Yeah, and he's actually putting into his head and of
showing this will be for him. Now he's showing the
smoke bomb that they were talking about in the press
conference and it says extra thick on it.

Speaker 13 (46:23):
H shit, motherfucker, yeah, gosh smart.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
He's showing a shotgun now which has no remorse on it.
Released the list Israel must Fall the mother writing FTW
which we talked about, and this is all in the shody.

Speaker 11 (46:57):
Psh.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
He has a lot of Russian writing on a lot
of this stuff, that bitch. And the funny not funny,
but the weird thing is as he's looking at all
this stuff and he's shown now his AR fifteen, it's

(47:27):
like he's possessed, you know.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And it could be a show.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
But you know the fact that he associated the fact
that he went through with this for days, something was
in him for that long make him.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Go through this.

Speaker 5 (47:41):
No, Actually, he had these thoughts since he was in
seventh grade.

Speaker 7 (47:45):
Yeah fuck oh not the.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
One who.

Speaker 11 (48:02):
Fucking uh.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
And he has near uh noise canceling ear muffs, which
I'm assuming he probably used while he was shooting people.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Well, he was saying because he wanted to listen to
the cries of the children.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, he wouldn't be able to hear because if you
have noise canceling headphones.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
So there are headphones that he could hear them cry.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
No, that's bullshit that those are noise canceling. Those are
range range headphones. He didn't want to hear them, is
what he really Well, he may have said whatever, but
he didn't want to hear them. That's why he had
those headphones on to where you couldn't hear them nice.
Nor did he want to see them, which is why

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he shot from outside, which is also why he killed himself.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Because he's a coward, low asshole.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Yeah, and he's showing all his holsters all this stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
I mean, that's pretty much end of this video.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Does this sound like possession? Does it sound like somebody
that's crazy? Does it sound what does it sound like?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
I don't know, it sounds like you, guys. I mean
it sounds like a psycho to me. I don't know
how else to say it. I don't know how else
to kind of word it. I want to go over
some of his manifesto here because some of this stuff,
you know, is someone actually tried to translate as much
as they possibly could. So I'm trying to Yeah, you
did too, share it all day. Yeah, So Sherry spent
all day trying to figure out the manifesto. Where the

(49:28):
manifesto was. Everybody was hiding it. All of the social media,
all of the chat GBT, all of the AI was
hiding it in censoring it except for GROC, which is
x's AI chat GBT.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
As soon as they caught onto this, probably.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
About an hour or two later, they wouldn't even write
a news article for you or to tell you who
the victims. Not who the victims were, but like the
number of victims, the number injured. They said, it goes
against their community guidelines and so on and so forth.
So so I want to go ahead and get into
this manifesto and what this you know, what AI kind
of came up with, all right, So, like I said,

(50:02):
this is you know, sensitive, It kind of expresses this
suicidal ideation, personal a grievances, justification for violence. Obviously, we
do not justify any of this stuff. We want to
read this just so you understand this psycho's mind but
fully transcribe manifesto and I don't think it's complete but
core letter to the family and friends. It kind of
essentially says, I love you all, I'll remember you, pray

(50:23):
for the victims and their families. I love you Dad, Mom, Jack, Martha, Teresa, Joe, Jared,
Phil and Liam. And it says Robert Robin M. Westman
and two to twenty twenty five says also, ps T
get over.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Yourself and make up with your mom. She loves you.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
You need to grow up and accept that time just
keeps on f and moving. You either will stop in
the past and rot, wasting your life and happiness away,
or you can grow up and move on from things.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
We all love you.

Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yes, this is the last page of his farewell note.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yes, but let's go ahead and read the actual I
guess farewell message to his family. To my family and friends,
I don't expect forgiveness, and I don't expect any apology.
I have told I hold much weight, but to my
family and those close to me, I do apologize for
to affect my actions will have on your lives. Please
know I care for all of you so much, and
it pains me to bring this storm of chaos into
your lives. This will affect so many people that the

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ones that are immediately involved. To my mother and father,
I am sorry. I didn't turn out as you had hoped.
You did not fail me. You gave me so much.
I truly appreciate the love you have given me. I
feel I was raised to be a good person. I've
kept those traits of empathy, self sacrificing, good character. Please
do not think you have failed us as parents. I
was corrupted by this world and have learned to hate

(51:35):
what life is. Life is love, life is pain. There
is too much to accept, too many things to put
up with just to live. I am tired of the
pain that the world goes out. Please move on and
continue to give your love to your brothers and sisters
and the rest of the world. They may not forgive you,
but you need to move on from me. Forget my
life and the pain I've brought. I love you both,
Thank you for everything. I'm sorry. To my siblings, I'm

(51:57):
sorry for forever tainting the rest of your lives. Careers,
your lives, and relationships and will be turned upside down.
Please hold on to who you are, not who I am.
Change your names if you must, I wish I could
tell you that before I go. Please know that I
love you all and truly appreciate the time I have
spent with you. I have so such an amazing family.
It hurts me to throw this wrench into the works

(52:18):
for you, For you of good people, I feel hope
when with you. I cherish our time together. I appreciate
all that you have taught me, and I felt inspired
to be like you when I grew up. I hope
you are able to move on and continue your lives
without being forever followed, forever haunted by my actions. Forget
me and all that I am. Hold on to yourselves

(52:38):
and your loved ones. I love you all and to
my friends. I trust you all to give your memory
of me however you see fit. I'm sorry for the
confusion and heartbreak this will bring. I truly appreciate all
of you for showing me a good life and helping
me through dark times. I've had so many good times
that gave me hope. Unfortunately, this world has too much
pain to deal without that I cannot cover up the
good sides of life. I hope you all can move

(52:59):
on and forget the pain offf caused. I have wanted
this for a long time. I am not well, I
am not right. I am a sad person, haunted by
these thoughts that do not go away. I know this
is wrong, but I can't seem to stop myself. I
am severely depressed and have been suicidal for years. Only
recently have I lost all hope and decided to perform
my final action against the world. I don't want to

(53:21):
kneel down for the injustices of the world. I want
to die. I'd rather die on my feet than live
on my knees constantly in pain. I think I am
dying of cancer, so tragic an and it's not entirely
self inflicted. I did this to myself as I cannot
control myself and I've been destroying my body through vapor
and other means. I think I have lung cancer. I
have felt many pains that make me think I am
past a point of recovery. I do not want to recover.

(53:44):
I do not want to throw my life away by
rotting in a hospital bed. I don't want the rest
of my life to be a cancer patient in and
out of hospitals, constantly being fretted about the people afraid
to be happy around me.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Fuck that.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I want to go out on my own means, Unfortunately
due to my depression, anger, and twisted mine. I want
to feel a final act that has been in the
back of my head for years. You all are what
kept me going. I find no more interest in anything material.
I have only an interest in my mission and love
for my family. If I didn't have such an amazing
group of people around me, I would have been gone
much sooner. I just want to escape from the world,

(54:16):
escape from the constant bills, shitty job, shitty people, and
injustice of America.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
I am done with this.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I will not bow, I will not be selfish and
leave you to pick up the pieces. It's my fault
blame me, but please move on. Whether you accept my
apologies or not, I hope you can all move past
this and continue your lives. Remember to be good people
now more than ever. The world needs more love, even
if you don't get it in return. Please find hope,
find love, and stand up to injustice. So these have
obviously appeared to be like a diary like entry of

(54:44):
additional thoughts, and there were some things written from cyrillic
but meant to be read as English, and it sounds
it's kind of transliterated them to Latin script and then
interpret it from a phonic English where possible based on community.
Now in GROXX reading, they are fragmented and repetitive, focusing
on planning, depression, and self justification. Not all are fully legible,

(55:10):
but so here's some of it, and I got to
kind of move on from where this cyrillic language takes
over because you don't really understand what it says. This
seems to ramble about feeling like an abstract or damaged person,
concerns about filling a poem or role, possibly poetic justice
or atomic act, planning an attack on a combo location
likely the church references to guns, weapons, keys to keys,

(55:33):
drop off or gun, and expressions of risk depression. And
finally it's incoherent but echoes themes of self destruction and
escape from pain from another page decoded, Who am I?
Where will this end? Help me? I don't want to help.
The bottom says kill yourself. So here's some other language.
But cyrillic pages follow similar patterns, where repetitive phrases about alienation,

(55:54):
plans for a final act, and suicidal thoughts. For example,
one translated expert from community sources. When I was little,
I wanted to be dot dot dot these thoughts that
I dot dot. I know how difficult it is to
find the right words when you want to explain what
is happening in your head. Sometimes it seems like thoughts
are moving too quickly, jumping from one to another, and
it is impossible to catch them all. But I am trying.

(56:17):
I am trying to find a way to express what
is inside of me, even if it seems impossible. The
world around me seems so alien, so hostile. The people
I meet seem alien to me, as if they are
speaking a different language. I feel detached, isolated, but I
do not give up. I continue to search for meaning,
continue to search for a path if you'd like well,
and then it says dot a dot so these are

(56:39):
obviously also thoughts, right, And then he also says, I
have had thoughts of mass murder for a long time.
I am very conflicted with writing this journal. I need
to get my thoughts out without getting put on a
watch list. Ha exclamation point. This journal is not going
to be organized or easy to read. It'll be a
brain barf of thought. Lately, I've been entranced into setting

(56:59):
off a map shooting. I have known about these events
for decades, even in the time being mortally obsessed. As
of lately, I have really let myself go, indulging in
every mass shooting video I can find. My interest in specifically,
school shooting started I think in seventh grade. I remember
one day I was talking to Valerie. She was my
crush and I was on and near kind of a high.

(57:22):
I asked them if there was a school shooting, where
would you hide. I don't remember why I asked that,
but it seems to scare them, and then I laughed
off to myself. I got in big trouble for this,
but not too bad. I basically promised I didn't mean anything.
I got suspended for a week. I think the police
never went deep, but would but would be surprised. I

(57:43):
remember every school I went to I had some fantasy
at some point or another of shooting up my school
every even every job. When I was in seventh grade,
I don't remember ever talking to a therapist. I was
basically mad, sure I was not a threat, then lockdown
me in the meeting room. When I was at school
for that week, laughing my ass off, I think that
was my step in my thought, and then realize in

(58:03):
some feelings of hatred and malice in my head, I
think that's committing to mass shooting is not the right
thing to do. I cannot let myself do anything like that,
but God, f and damn, it feels so good to
indulge in my thoughts. I have so many reasons why
I cannot do it. I cannot. I can't do it
to my family. I love them and they love me.
I simply can't do it to them. Another huge reason

(58:24):
I glamorize is my addiction to entertainment. I have lost
all long term lol. I wouldn't want people finding my
skit clips laughing my ass off. Man clips are so
ass and I would get so f and roasted. I
also don't really think my name sounds like a school
shooter name lol, Robin Desmond. Nah, and my face isn't

(58:45):
crazy enough lol, I ain't. I ain't not enough of
a freak haha ha. Anyways, for the people that read this,
if any hopefully not abroad, laugh of my ass off,
don't immediately freak out. I really just want a piece
to my thoughts. I guess piece together. I can't talk
to a therapist or family because I will immediately be
reported and put on a watch list bananas. I feel

(59:07):
like I might already be on some kind of list
due to my constant consumption of mass murder and violent content.
I recently watched a film's Elephant Class Heart of America.
I basically skipped the whole movies and just watched the
masker scenes. I don't even know why the Internet explicitly
films funny story, you know, like it would probably be
unsettling and suspicious if FBI or someone saw my YouTube history,

(59:29):
but I don't think it is weird enough for law
enforcement to step in. Sorry, there's going to be a
lot of mistakes. I am tired, and this writing style
is hard and stupid. I am writing in cyrillic text,
but English is phonics. I also sprinkle some Russian words
I think terrible grammar and spelling. I have been learning
Russian for many years, but never really learned. I also

(59:50):
think I might already suffer that I could write in
cyrillic very inconsistently, but hey, it works for me. Since
I got access to the Internet, I have been seeking
out gore and violence. I have been fascinated with firearms
and weapons since I was little. I consider myself a
pretty non likeule person, not just on firearms lol. I
definitely have a big ego and a bit of superiority complex.

(01:00:11):
I think the reason I have let myself go lately
is my fear of health complications. I have been smoking
and vaping for over seven years now. The consequences seemed
to be making themselves known. I am terrified of cancer
and dying painfully. I think my major aspirations have always
been my ideal to take control. It seems to give
me solace to visualize and thoughts of planning an attack.

(01:00:32):
Today I assembled a school shooting cosplay. I have a
ton of airsoft guns and gear, and I put together
a wicked layout including an ar pump shotgun and two pistols,
as well as mini mags and gear. I have been
really wanting to put together, erasing for the moment any
left to do, and the gear is honestly felt amazing.
I could feel the gravity of my outfit and I
made and I made out as if shooting is my apartment,

(01:00:55):
including a police shootout, and basically it was really fun
and satisfying. It was were lieving, and I didn't want
to take it off. I have never really done that before,
creating a layout specifically for shooting up a school around
the time I was in seventh grade nerf guns, but
never dressed the part. Today was a more serious filming
on it than I expected. I felt a bit of guilt,
but many enjoyment. When I went to look in the mirror,

(01:01:16):
I really didn't like see in my face, so I
put on a skull mask. I liked that, but look
still didn't like seeing my size and forehead. I put
on a baseball cap and a direct call out to
Nicholas Cruz. I almost found it weird. I wanted to
see in my face. I have literally been creating shooting
scenarios in my mind, including school, university, malls, and stores.
I have tons of realism mods and stories to enact

(01:01:38):
those events, mainly for the fun, but also able to
see how I could maybe cope with things. Nonetheless, I
love it and crave more. I get bored of the
NPC behaviors and crave more fear and devastation, which scares me.
I don't want to do this, but I feel a
deep calling to create devastation and death. I don't think
I'll do it, but I can't be certain. And so

(01:02:01):
there are definitely shootings that stick out. And this is
five twenty four to twenty five that he wrote this.
There are definitely shootings that stick out more clearly in
my head than others. Some stand out more than others
due to the kill count, devastation, or good maybe bad
performance of the shooters. I wanted to see big events
happen on my birthday, June seventeenth, and was so disappointed
at what went down. The loser, Brendan Clyde, tried to
shoot up a courthouse. Idiot bro wasn't thinking mad shit

(01:02:24):
and his tactical and in his tactical and got absolutely
roasted by a security guard with a pistol. Bro killed
no one, barely graized at guard's vest, didn't make it
into the building. He ran away and bled out in
a parking lot while pissing himself. How pitiful, What a disgrace.
I am embarrassed to have that be the shooting that
happened on my birthday. I think his biggest mistake was

(01:02:45):
attack in a courthouse. He also advertised his attack for
days for posting across the street It's all about surprise.
Bro wasn't locked in, Bro wasn't after what I want
to do. I have a deep fascination with some men,
in the particular Adam Lanza, a f and freak haha.
Sandy Hook was my first, I think, exposure to school shootings.
I can remember vividly when I heard about it. I

(01:03:06):
remember sitting on the computer, lounging in I think fourth grade,
we you or something along, doing work on our computers
when a little notification popped up on the screen saying
twenty children a six adult shot and killed at Sandy
Hook Elementary, Newton, Connecticut. I remember not really knowing what
that meant. I don't remember my classmates or teachers' reactions,
but I know the image of the little notification popping

(01:03:28):
up has always stuck with me. For some reason, I
can't get it out of my head. It's such a
perfect event. I love thinking about what it was like
to be there on that day, what it is like
to be Adam, to kill the rooms and a pistol
and finished staff and teachers in annihilation. Still this day,
when one event from the shooting will be stuck in
my head. Survivory calls hearing a little boy scream, don't
kill me, and Adam replied, well you're here. Then multiply

(01:03:50):
shots were heard. That Rowskille shot was amazing, laughing my
house off. I think I need lay low though, can't
take any chances. Okay, I am adding it for AJA,
and I don't know what I am explaining this. If
someone reads this, don't interpret this as something real. This
won't carry that much significance. And if I do something,

(01:04:10):
authorities news will probably stop it. It had nothing to
read this, so f you, guys, I just hope I
can plan this down the road.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
Anyways.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
I fin loved the idea being that scary, horrible monster
standing over these powerless kids. I screamed for help, met
with blunt, harsh, uncaring attitude, a cold bitch slap for reality.
To have your cries for help mock, and then that
ultimate horror as you feel death ripping through you. I
want people to hell under me, begging for their lives.
I would not bend to your cries. I would revel
them before shooting NonStop. I think the shooters who know

(01:04:42):
what they're doing, shooters that plan the violence. I must
add Adam Lanza and Nicholas Cruz, Eric and Dylan Cleebold
and Velski, Rus Silochvia whatever his name is, Anders Burfeki, etc.
I reviewed our status. I feel obligated to follow in
their path. Maybe the same god. I want to kill Logan.
I hate the vile effing spas massive manchild, storm weed,

(01:05:03):
big liar and suck off. I hate his fake ass personality,
the kind of person who will always try to outdo
your stories with some exaggerated story.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
I want him dead.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
If I ever shot at my workplace, I would want
to see Logan cower and fear. I would shoot him
on site, aiming to kill shot and no chance for
him to even react.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
To give my luck, he would be.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
The mother to ruin my one save the day that
one of my biggest fears is getting tackled and arrest,
especially before I am able to inflict a lot of
damage and death. I want to die in attack. I've
always I want to die in the attack. I've always
been suicidal, at least since adolescence. I never could find
in good explanation. I have a loving family and a
good support system of people that want to see me thrive.

(01:05:40):
For some reason, the fact that I have pretty good
life and the fact that I want to kill people
I've never correlated to me. I simply did not really
care about my life, only caring about my impact on
other people. I am only not taking action because I
don't want to bring the pain on them. I feel
horrible picture in their reactions. I could give an f
about anyone else. I want people to feel the opportunity
I would take them out like Adam did his mother.

(01:06:03):
Lord knows we need less of that. In the effing
pool of effing idiots. I have tried and felt to
not be racist. I can't help it. I have tried
and acted like an open minded person, but time and
time again I am forced to realize the stereotypes are
all true. Damn sitting next to those families of grob
ass Mexicans. They are loud, obnoxious, and considerate. Trying to

(01:06:24):
shoot was life destroying that has no gas and has
almost made me lose laughing and encouraging them. The Mexicans
speak are not really knowing for their intelligence. They are
funny and wild animals, but they are being blah blah
blah dirty people. I hate interacting with ones that can
hardly speak English but like they are effing retarded. I
also hate Arabs and Indians. I feel like they're disgusting

(01:06:47):
in words, can be all right, most of them not
feel white. I don't know loud self entitled, who was
kings as blah as. I truly admire killers for dealing
Ruth Brandon Tara and Patrick so Less Crusius. I feel
disappointed if white coward killers don't stand taller planning for
something much bigger, but want to die and have hard,

(01:07:07):
fast attempt. All these events and stories have only fueled
and fire for me to do the right thing, to
take my time and plan for every outcome. I often
don't find myself aligning with these killers specific ideologies. I
think Nicholas Cruz and Patrick Crusius and Brendan Tarrant are
my idols. White people should rule the world and minorities
should in antagonism, I don't know. I think they should

(01:07:28):
have rights and opportunities. I just hate them. Don't get
me started on Somali's sub human, crude, sad society, criminal,
violent animals. I imagine also setting his apartment bombs didn't
blow up, same as Eric and Dylon's bombs. Imagine how
amazing the amplitude of destruction would be I don't think
I've ever heard of an attacker's bombs or some kind
of second attack working. They either don't properly set that
shit up or cops are able to disarm the threat

(01:07:50):
before it works. So sad why or maybe they wanted
all right? So that is essentially his manifesto. I mean,
there's probably some other pages out there that we did
not you know, find or at least we're able to translate.
But you know, when you read this stuff, and as
I was reading it, it just makes me sick. I mean,
I hate even reading this right, and I almost feel

(01:08:10):
wrong for reading it. But the reality of it is
is that it is the news. It is what happened.
And the only reason I even wanted to read this
is because mainstream media will not read this. And I
don't think this should ever idolize anyone. I think, if anything,
that this should for people that are listening, should make
you aware of not only your surroundings, but the people

(01:08:31):
around you. You know, whether it's your kids, whether they
are being brought up in a school, or an ideology
or a thought process or something that maybe you can recognize,
maybe you can get them help. Maybe it's not them
that is going to speak out and say, look, I've
got a problem. I have a mental issue. I think
I need help. I idolize this or I idolize that. I

(01:08:52):
think as parents, though, I think parents need to do
a better job recognizing stuff like this, right, And I
know it's not always easy. I know it's not you know,
something you can just see from someone that is mentally
unstable or crazy. We don't know what this guy's life
was with his parents now at all, if we could
be a fly on the wall in his house obviously
since seventh grade to where he said, you know, he

(01:09:13):
wanted to change his name to Robin from Roberts, right.
You know, this is an ideology or a thought process
in his head that he already did not feel like
he was who he was.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
And you know, we've talked about this on many podcasts.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with transgender people, but
I'm going to say that a lot of them have
suicidal tendencies because of what's going on within themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Yeah, I mean, well, you know, the suicide rate for
transgenders is one of the highest of any community or
group of people. You know, it's a touchy topic because
you know, for example, the people that say, well, you know,
gay is a sin and you're automatically going to hell
and shit like that. Look, people are born gay, dude,
Like people are born just as gay as you were
born straight. And I don't care what anybody says. I

(01:10:01):
truly believe that. And like, if someone came along to
me and said, hey, look, you know you have to
go and be with a guy, and because it's a
sin for you to do what you're doing and you're
going to go to hell if you don't, There's no
way I would ever go and be with a guy
based on the way I feel and what's in me,
you know what I'm saying. So even for trans people,

(01:10:22):
it's kind of another layer, right, It's another layer of
like not only or do they like the same sex
or whatever the case is, but they also just do
not feel like they are in the right body. And
oftentimes this becomes a mental issue because of they're going
to constantly feel like that they are battling themselves on
a regular basis. And then on top of that, you

(01:10:43):
have this massive political issue, right, which is you know,
you have the right to say, you know, trans are
bad or not trans are bad necessarily, but you know,
trans is a mental issue, right, and it's been so
heavily politicized, And then on the left you have people
that are propping it up and saying, no, everything's perfect, right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
Your trends, let's just take you the doctor and not
tell your parents. Yes, and let's make you a girl
when you're a boy. But I think, I mean, they're
so two extremes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Yeah, but I think there's in between, right, I mean,
I think there is in between and to whereas like,
you have to understand that. And I'm not a doctor
and I'm not a psychiatrist, but you know, if you
look at the group of trans people and you look
at the suicide rate, there's obviously some type of mental
issue there that is leading them to this. And I
don't think it's just you know, what the right says

(01:11:31):
or what the left says. I think it is a
mental issue that they are battling with themselves on a
regular basis. But that's the problem when the left of
mainstream media and everybody else wants to instead of help
these this community and help them figure out and figure
it their way through mental illnesses or things that they
are going through because they feel like they are not
in their own body.

Speaker 3 (01:11:52):
Instead of helping them through this, what do they do well.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
They idolize them, They prop them up, they put them
on a pedestal, all at the same time knowing that
the a lot of these people likely need help. They
need some type of help. We all need some type
of help mentally, we all do. And for some people
it's worse. I mean for some people, they already didn't
feel like they were themselves. They already didn't feel like that,
you know, they were liked or cared about or whatever,

(01:12:16):
and then when they started getting these thoughts in their head,
as this person says Robins, as he says in the manifesto,
he says, you know, I would go to a therapist.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Or I would go to my family for help.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
And obviously he felt like his family loved him, he
felt like his family was good people.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
But he also felt like that he.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Definitely could not go to any of these people for
help because as soon as he did, all of his
plans for his future, everything that he was planning now
would have been disrupted.

Speaker 5 (01:12:43):
Yeah, which meant shooting up a school or shooting up
a church or shooting up something vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Yes, so, I mean, and the thing about it is
too is what I will say is that there's likely
going to be a lot to come out of this,
and I want to talk about this, and I think
this is the most important thing. There's going to be
every single group of people that are going to politicize
and radicalize this entire thing, this shooting.

Speaker 9 (01:13:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I know, at the Nashville Christian School shooting, you know,
there was a manifesto, there were cops to get fired
for that, there was you know, political influencers that actually
got the leaked manifesto of that school shooter. And the
reason why mainstream media did not want to release it
whatsoever was because of the ideologies and the fact that
I think her name was Hall or his name whatever,

(01:13:29):
was a trans shooter.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
There's actually been quite a few trans shooters. And I'm
not saying obviously that all of school shooters have been trands,
because there's been a lot of.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
But the last white choice have been trans.

Speaker 3 (01:13:41):
Yeah, so I actually have something on this real quick and.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Well, well you're looking it up.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
Do you not think it's crazy that we learned so
much about this Robin Slash Robert Westman more than we
did Thomas Crooks, and that we still don't know about
Thomas Crooks. Yeah, like we have learned everything in one
day about all his thoughts, every ideology, everything.

Speaker 4 (01:14:03):
That was going on in his head.

Speaker 5 (01:14:05):
Yeah, but still we have no information about Thomas Crooks.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Well, what we do know is, like this shooting, we
know that likely this shooter was identified as trans, the
National Christian School shooter identified as trans, the Lakewood Church
shooter identified as trans, Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary,
the Denver shooter identified as trans, the Aberdeen shooter identified
as trans. The Iowa High School shooter was also a transactivist.

(01:14:30):
So there is this radical gender ideology that seems to
be driving violence and kind of targets and targeting innocent people.
But at the same time, it's not just trans people.
This is a problem in itself, and there is a
problem with mental health in our country massively.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
But I said before, when we see all these school shootings,
it's usually white males. That's what they always talk about.
It's a white males shooting up schools. Well, yes, Robert
Westman is a white male, but he identifies as a woman.
And now there is a trend of trans people shooting
up schools.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
They're going to use this in every way, shape or form,
and literally this guy made it very likely for everybody
to use it. You know, the Jewish community is going
to use it, the Christian community is going to use it,
the Republicans are going to use it. The Democrats are
going to use it for gun control. I mean, that's
an obvious They already started to do that, and it's going.

Speaker 3 (01:15:25):
To be a constant battle.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
But the one thing I see about this, and one
thing that I noticed that was painfully obvious today, was
the censorship of this. I mean the censorship of people
talking about this was insane. It was insane more than
I've seen a lot of shootings happen, and how they
reacted so fast. Now, whereas yes, we do have the manifesto,

(01:15:46):
I can't even tell you. If it wasn't for X,
we would likely not have any idea what this manifesto said.
It would be banned from everything, you would not be
able to find it. It was the people on X
and people like Sherry and people like all of the
pell number of people on Telegram that was constantly trying
to figure out what was what what did it say?
How are we going to take the excerpts of this

(01:16:07):
and see what it says? And guys, you might be
thinking like, well, I don't even know why you guys
are talking about this, because in most cases they hide
this information, and we at least want this information out there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
This information needs to be out there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
And as I said before, it's not to absolutely, in
no way, shape or form, glorify this. This guy's a
piece of shit. He is evil, and he is now dead.
And I can't even imagine. Obviously he doesn't believe in
God or Jesus or any of that. He thinks that
all just I guess spirituality is man made and made up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
This guy is godless.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
And as the children were praying as they were being shot,
and especially for the two victims that were deceased today,
the two kids, as much as I hope that they
immediately entered the presence of God, I hope that this
asshole immediately entered the presence of Hell yes, and Satan yes.

(01:16:59):
And whereas Satan obviously took over his life in this world.
And for whatever reason that you want to say, and
I'm you know, I'm not going to go into that,
but I feel like that evil was definitely a part
of his everyday life.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
He allowed that to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
He opened up wounds, he opened up things that allowed
Satan to penetrate and latch on. But what he doesn't
understand is that that same thing that was driving him
through this life that he felt like he had to
do this, this obsession, this calling in his mind. You know,
I do truly feel like that the moment that he

(01:17:32):
killed himself after killing those kids is the moment that
he was in internal hell and actually with Satan that
he thought cared about him. Yeah, but guess what, He's
probably an internal damnation now. I hope he is. I
really hope and pray that he is. People like this
if the look, people debate whether it's hell or not.

(01:17:52):
But what I can say is that if there is
a hell, which I do believe there is, if there
is an internal damnation, I hope that it has set
aside specific for people like.

Speaker 7 (01:18:01):
This, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
And and some of my thoughts to this ship today
was like I had some very heinous thoughts.

Speaker 5 (01:18:07):
But do you think that he could have been mentally ill?
And is that a okay for him to go to hell?
Because he's mentally ill.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
I think, you know, And here's here's the weird thing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:21):
I think that, yes, there is a definition of mentally
ill out there, right. You have people that are you know, God,
I don't want to say the wrong thing here, but
you have people that have actual brain problems to where
they can't think clearly. They or maybe they're operating on
a you know, a seven year old level, or or

(01:18:42):
or highly autistic, and or they don't they don't maybe
have empathy on certain areas that the other people do.

Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
But he but he proclaimed he had empathy and he
learned it from his family.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
So yes's but that's what I'm saying, you know, was
this just like a ruse?

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
Like was he actually mentally ill? Or was he evil?
And like where's the line there?

Speaker 4 (01:19:01):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
I mean, you know, there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
Lot of people that try to use that as their
defense in court when they go and kill a bunch
of people and they say, well, I'm mentally unstable and
mentally unable to stand trial. But I think there is
a huge difference in mentally actually mentally ill and evil.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
And I don't know where the line is.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
There, I know, but very blurred, But it's if.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
You read his manifesto and you hear him talking like
he does in the manifesto, he understood what was right
and what was wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
He knew it also sounded very very crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Oh he is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
But what I'm saying is he understood difference in right
and wrong. He understood the difference in He knew that
like killing innocent kids or people in general, was a
wrong thing to do. And he also mentioned how he was.
He wanted control, he was egotistical, He felt like he
had all of these kind of narcissists sociopath type tendencies.

(01:19:58):
The way he talked about like what some of the
things he thought. But he also knew what was wrong,
and so he made the decision to go and do
what he did today. He not only made the decision.
It wasn't a crime of passion. It was a planned out,
well coordinated attack or it was an evil plan. And
this was not something because he is mentally unstable retarded.

(01:20:18):
There were things that he also said, I saw something else,
And like I said, we did not read all of
the manifesto, but there was also a excerpt of the
manifesto that says that hey, for you feds out there,
that are thinking that you're going to find all this
information in my logs or my computers. I am an engineer,
I think he said, like a computer engineer or something,

(01:20:40):
and you're likely not going to find anything because all
that stuff is pretty locked down. An excerpt here that
it says to the FEDS, I'll keep this short because
I do respect what you do for our country to
save you at lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I
wasn't working with anyone. This was fairly trivial, some elementary
social engineering basic CAD, a lot of patient The spiral notebook,

(01:21:01):
if present, has some staggering sorry straggling notes and to
do list that illuminate the get the gist of it.
My tech is pretty locked down because I work in engineering,
so probably not much info there. I do apologize for
any strife of traumas, but it had to be done. Frankly,
these parasites simply had it coming. A reminder, the US

(01:21:23):
has the number one most expensive healthcare system in the world,
and yet we rank roughly number forty two in life expectancy.
United is the indecipherable largest company in the US by
market cap, beyond only Apple.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Google and Walmart.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
It has grown and grown, but as our life, but
has our life expectancy? No, The reality is these indecipherable
blah blah blah have simply gotten too powerful and they
continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the
American public has allowed them to get away with it. Obviously,
the problem is more complex, but I do not have space,
and frankly I do not pretend to be the most

(01:21:59):
qualified person and lay out the full argument. But many
have illuminated the corruption and greed e g rothenlaw I'm
Moore decades ago, and the problem simply remains. It is
not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly
power games at play. Evidently I am the first to
face it with such brutal honesty. So he writes a
lot of stuff about this right, he was just pissed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Off of the world. He knew what was right and wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
He chose wrong, he chose the evil thing to do,
and it's just it's hard for me to imagine.

Speaker 3 (01:22:31):
It's hard for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Me to imagine, like how you, as a piece of
shit person that obviously has issues, are going to take
out your agrievances on kids?

Speaker 11 (01:22:41):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:22:41):
I agree? And during the videos, do you think that
was a put on or do you think that was
like literally how he acts.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I have no idea. I mean, likely he does not
act like that in real life.

Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
But I think, you know, like you said, I mean
as he got closer to the time, I think that
video that we listened to earlier was the night before.

Speaker 3 (01:22:59):
You know, as he.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
He was getting closer and closer to this, it was
almost like some type of takeover of his mind.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
And body, even seeing like tomorrow from Annie, tomorrow, tomorrow,
you're only a day away.

Speaker 9 (01:23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Absolutely, Like I said, we wanted to at least get
out what this killer, what this nasty, sick person did today,
what his thought processes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:26):
And I can expect.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
That there are going to be many political factions and
groups of people that are going to use any and
everything they can to politicize this, to make this about
their own agenda or ideology, and as I was talking
about earlier, if anything, I think that this may be
used as a way to lock down social media and
censor more people from what they can and cannot watch

(01:23:51):
or listen to. I do fear that, you know, no
good tragedy goes to waste. That's what they say, No
good tragedy goes to waste, and I'm sure that this
tragedy will also not go to waste. This happened for sure,
and you know this, I don't necessarily even think there's
a big conspiracy around this. I don't think that the
CIA necessarily put this guy up to it, or some

(01:24:13):
you know, you know intelligence operations been on a watch
list maybe I mean possibly, but even still, you know,
it goes back to the fact of if what you're
looking up on the Internet gets to some watch list,
that just completely talks about this mass surveillance.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
We do know after everything Edward.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Snowden has said in the past, and how much actually
the government knows about every single thing we do, and
especially with AI and algorithms, and how all that stuff
is reported. Whether you're around your microphone on your remote
for your fire for your fire TV, or your Apple
iPhone or your maybe you have Apple car Play in
your car, there's microphones everywhere, and all of that stuff

(01:24:53):
is sent somewhere, and it is it is in a
system in some shape form or fashion. And just like
we've talked about Oracle and volunteer polunteering and specific to
where volunteer is starting to build this system. And they
already have a system, but the United States is going
to start utilizing this to where basically everything is going

(01:25:13):
to be centralized. You know, could you say that if
someone wanted to make an argument, well, polunteer found that
this school shooter because we found out that he looked
up this and this and this.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
On his computer.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
The reality of this, though, is is that even if
someone is looking up school shootings or gore or whatever,
what are you going to come arrest somebody because they're
looking up school shootings or gore or maybe they watch
horror movies or maybe they do watch like murders or
you know, I mean, are you going to lock those people?

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
Are you going to lock up?

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:25:39):
The women who do understand that people are going to
go after law enforcement because he probably was on some
kind of radar, And why didn't they go and at
least interview him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
Because it's called civil liberties.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
I mean, you know, he doesn't even if they would
have came and interviewed him, he didn't at that point
do anything wrong. I mean, yeah, if he if someone
would have saw the manifesto with all these ideologies and stuff.
But there's a line, right, I mean you know, how
much freedom are you willing to give up for safety?

Speaker 9 (01:26:08):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
I Mean that's the thing, because there's exactly there's a
way to stop all this. There's an easy way to
stop this, and that is just to surveil everyone on
mass scale. And if they even think that you might
have something to do with like maybe you look up
or maybe all the women in this country that watch
true crime every day, all these murders, maybe they should
all be put in prison because.

Speaker 4 (01:26:28):
Maybe they're going to Angel yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:26:31):
But that's what I'm saying. But at what point do
you draw a line?

Speaker 9 (01:26:34):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
You know, there's so many women that are obsessed with
true crime and murder and stuff. I mean, think about
all these women that send a letters to serial killers
in prison. Should they all go to prison? Should the
women that watch murders and horror movies go to prison?

Speaker 11 (01:26:48):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
Where do you draw the line?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Because until they're doing something illegal, then you can't really
do anything about that.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
We know they have watch lists, oh for sure they do.

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
But you know, like this guy by all these guns recently,
well he didn't have a he had no crime history
or no.

Speaker 5 (01:27:04):
And he even talked about that in his manifesto he's like,
you know, I'm so sick of pretending I'm like this
Second Amendment right person, and I want to get my
concealed weapon to carry. And he's like, I'm not really
there to do that. I'm really here to carry out
the crimes that I want to carry out.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
The point to all this is is like you, you know,
like I said, how much freedom are you willing to
give up for safety? Because at the end of the day,
we could all be put in prison for something if
they believe, you know, if some government entity says, well,
you're not allowed to have a gun because you looked
up murder yesterday, or maybe you looked up a gory movie,
or or maybe you had you know, you said something

(01:27:44):
online that we don't agree with. This is kind of
what is happening in the UK. If you even have
a thought or an opinion on mass immigration in the
United Kingdom and throughout Europe, then you go to jail.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
But you know, then the.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
People that are actually committing crimes, that may be immigrants
of the country are being protected. And so I think
that you have to err on the side of freedom
more than safety in this situation, and you have to
do something to secure to places.

Speaker 3 (01:28:10):
Like these churches and like the schools.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Yes, to make sure that hey, look, if you have
a gun, then we also have a gun. And you
never know who's out there that may snap. There could
be a law abiden citizen like this guy was for
many many years. You could have an ex military vet.
You could have a freaking police officer that has served
his entire life as a police officer, one of the
most respected and reputable people in his community, that one

(01:28:33):
day gets his gun out and snaps and kills everybody.

Speaker 4 (01:28:36):
Yeah this happens, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
And it happens. They're where they kill their entire families.

Speaker 4 (01:28:40):
But like, how do you secure soft spots like churches.

Speaker 3 (01:28:45):
Dogs You have to put you have to put guns
in those places. You have to. You know, there's great examples.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
There was, for example, there was attempted church shooting at
that Texas church that was like two or three years ago.
And guess what, they didn't last very long because the
people in that congregation had guns. And as soon as
that guy came in and shot like one or two times,
he was down and shot and killed.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
That's what saves lives.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Guns also save lives if they don't just kill people,
but they also save lives. I mean, are you going
to send cops into battle or military into battle without
guns because guns don't save lives. No, You're sending them
with guns because that is what saves lives. And criminals
are always going to have weapons no matter what. Look
at Chicago. Do you think that all these Chicago gang
members are law abiden citizens that have these legal weapons

(01:29:33):
that are registered. Hell, no, most of these Chicago gang
members are either stolen weapons, they're in some cases three
D printed weapons. Nowadays, you have the ghost guns, you
have all this shit, so you can get rid of
guns and from law abiden citizens all day long. You're
never going to get rid of guns in America, not
at this point from the criminals ever.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
That's just never going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
So the only answer, in my opinion of this is
that if you think there are soft spots, then there
better be weapons in those soft spots to protect yourself
in case someone comes into that area. And just like
for this example, I mean, I understand that churches and
schools and all this stuff don't necessarily want to spend money,
but I remember when we had our contract security company,
and we got called by a school in the South

(01:30:14):
Carolina area. And I don't know if anybody ever actually
took over the contract.

Speaker 7 (01:30:18):
We did not.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
We decided not to do it because of various reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
But there was a school system an entire county in
the upstate of South Carolina that called us and said, hey,
we want you guys. How many arm guys you have,
what is the qualifications that they have, you know, so
on and so forth. We want you to come and
basically protect our schools, and we want probably two people
per school. I mean, they were being proactive about this.

Speaker 9 (01:30:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:43):
There are going to be schools and organizations and churches
that are going to look at this and reflect and
do the right thing. And then there's going to be
people that are not going to do the right thing,
and it may happen to them. You just never know,
and it may happen to any of us at any
given time.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
And that means being proactive with yourself, with your life,
with the places you go. You have to be proactive
wherever you are.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
Yeah, yeah, you definitely have to always be aware.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
We live in a very different world today and I
just want we just want to come on and talk
about this. Let us know what your thoughts are. How
do you think that these places should be protected. Do
you think that actually doing away with guns would protect us?
I don't think so. Or do you think that we
need more guns in soft spots and soft targets, because
I think that's what we need. IW you And like

(01:31:30):
I said, I mean I understand, school resource officers do
their very best job. That is, one school resource officer
usually per school. I mean, everybody knows that in almost
all cases, unless there's maybe some huge school in somewhere else.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
But I think you need more officers in schools.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I think that either counties or private organizations or entities
need to invest more into soft targets, whether it be schools,
whether it be churches. We have to invest in security.
And I think the quicker people start to realize that
security is king. Yeah, we need to put more money
into that exactly, the more lives are.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Going to save.

Speaker 4 (01:32:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:32:03):
And that's why I think he went to a Catholic
church versus a public school.

Speaker 3 (01:32:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Maybe maybe yeah, I mean I mean he probably knew
obviously that no resource officers, no security there. Public schools
usually at least have a resource officer, and that is
good because you know, as a shooter, you're always going
to be thinking where is that resource officer? You never know,
and that resource officer likely will be the first and
last line of defense against the school shooter. And like
you said, it is good that hopefully they are always

(01:32:31):
moving around the school. They're not stuck in one place,
They're not leaving for any large amount of time, especially
if school resource officers are leaving at a certain time
and coming back at a certain time every single day.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
You don't want that because I think I've seen that before.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
But I think that you have to have some type
of system worked in to where you're finally and totally
going to secure your soft targets. And if you are
not secure in your soft targets, then you are potentially
at risk. It may not ever happen to you in
a soft target, but in the event it does, you
know that could be the last time it happened. So guys,
that's going to be it for us. We do appreciate

(01:33:03):
you listening to this. Pray for the families of the victims. Obviously,
that is the number one most important thing. I still
believe prayer works, and it's going to be very horrific
and very hard for them to get through this. But
we do pray for all of those families that were
affected today, and pray for the souls that are affected
by evil as well, because I think God would want
you to pray for those people. Pray for the people

(01:33:24):
that are so just completely lost and completely entranced in
what they idolize and believe.

Speaker 3 (01:33:30):
In, or maybe that other side of not good but evil.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Pray for those people as well, because they need it
more than probably anybody.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
Till next time.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
We love you, peace out, Peace out, guys.

Speaker 14 (01:33:44):
Father two's wit maybe a fine soul and drifting.

Speaker 10 (01:33:57):
I love the pain, what it seems, there's more to do,
there's more love for we've yet to find.

Speaker 11 (01:34:15):
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
We may stumble through.

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
It all.

Speaker 11 (01:34:21):
We have specious times. It's hard to see in America.
Sound throw him your acts.

Speaker 12 (01:34:42):
It's hard to speak in America, and every word creates
to fath.

Speaker 11 (01:34:55):
What it seems speaking all the sun.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
We all need love.

Speaker 15 (01:35:02):
And cold little graves. Yes, sure, it's so hard to
do to find it all a human in this place.

Speaker 12 (01:35:23):
It's hard to rest and men come wait upon the change.
It's hard to stay here.

Speaker 14 (01:35:37):
And well come, but feels like there's nothing lived.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
There's a easy way we don't give. There's a future here,
my Lord, I pray, Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 10 (01:36:03):
We can make it through.

Speaker 1 (01:36:04):
That it might be better. All want time.

Speaker 11 (01:36:16):
So finding land in America.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
And it's hollow ton trashmad in America.

Speaker 11 (01:36:34):
That's is matter.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Every time, The matter every time.

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