Quadruple Murder in Tennessee: Austin Drummond on the Run

A horrifying scene in Dyer County, Tennessee: four family members brutally murdered, a 7-month-old baby abandoned in a stranger’s car seat, and one man now at the center of a massive manhunt, Austin Drummond. In this episode, we break down everything we know about the Dyersburg quadruple homicide that has shocked the state and grabbed national headlines. Who were the victims? What was Drummond’s connection to the family? How did law enforcement identify him so quickly — and is there a deeper gang connection involving the Vice Lords? We take you inside the investigation, the timeline of events, and the disturbing unanswered questions surrounding this developing case.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Reivers run dry justice in the.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Make hello and welcome to Investigator Podcast. I'm your host
chat alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On tonight's episode, we're
diving to one of the most disturbing stories that come
out of Tennessee in recent memory. A brutal quadruple murderer
that's left a small community shaken, a baby abandoned, and
a dangerous man still on the run. Now the suspect
Austin Robert Drummond, a known gang member with a violent

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past who now stands accused of killing four people, including
a fifteen year old boy and the young parents of
an infant girl who was later found abandoned miles away.
As the man hunting tensifies, more people are being arrested
for allegedly helping Drummond evade justice. The big question to
Night is what's really going on, what happened and how
deep does this story go. Let's break it all down, guys,
Welcome to the show. It is August fourth, twenty twenty five,

(01:16):
and the name of this song is Riot by Blood
Red Sun. Now, Sherry, obviously you have been pretty invested
into the story, and we actually have quite a few
good episodes on the horizon, but those stories can wait.
We wanted to talk about this quadruple murder out of
Tennessee near Jackson, Tennessee for those that are familiar as
western part of Tennessee near Memphis. This does obviously it

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sounds like have gang ties. And then also Austin Drummond,
he has been in and out of prison, He's served
I believe what ten years, thirteen years, thirteen years in prison.
He then attempts a murder inside of prison, and then
once he has led out for a serving that thirteen years,
he is then I guess brought back in on pendon

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charges for the attempted murder to where he is released
on what a thirty thousand dollar bill. Yes, So, which
is crazy. So not only are we going to talk
about the murders, how heinous this stuff was, it's pretty dark,
but also just how does the justice system keep screwing
this up? And especially when we see things that we've
seen over the past forward to eight years, where you know,

(02:22):
some of the most violent offenders are let out on
a regular basis with little to no bell. We actually
had Attorney Ken Good on where We've talked about that
multiple times, but we're also going to break down just
who Austin Drummond was, what gang was he involved in,
how notorious is this gang, and how much involvement do
they have in Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
This is a pretty crazy story, Sherry.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
I mean, this guy essentially goes and murders for people
not long after he gets out of prison.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
Do we know exactly how long he was in the
prison is.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Almost down a prison for a year. He got out
last September, so his out for almost a year. And
what's crazy about this whole story is the way he
knows this family that he ended up killing is by
his either former girlfriend or girlfriend for you know, a
few days ago that they just broke up because they

(03:12):
on Facebook went to Gatlinburg together just recently, like within
the week of these murders.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
And this girl, Caitlyn, is the sister of the grandmother
that she was one of the ones that was killed.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Yeah, the grandmother's only thirty eight, by the way, this
is the abandoned baby's grandmother, right right, And the abandoned
baby was found what twenty or forty miles away from
twenty nine miles away?

Speaker 2 (03:37):
But what's crazy is Caitlin, which is Courtney's sister. She
was actually a corrections officer in the prison that Austin
was in for thirteen years wow. And it is believed
that that she was also helping him on the inside
with the drug drops or whatever else you had, because
if you go to his Facebook, you would be like
absolutely floored to see what was in his prison. He

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had commissary out the door, like tons and tons of commissary.
He was even playing video games, he had a PlayStation,
he had cell phones, he had guns, he had drugs.
He was living the life in jail.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, and that's interesting too because you know this gang
and what we're going to go over. The gang is
very well known in Tennessee, and not just Tennessee, but
they're kind of all over the United States, predominantly in
Tennessee and Chicago, I believe, and a couple other locations.
But man, how do you get a gun inside of prison?
And not just a gun? You got game and systems,
cell phones, you name it. And I've heard some rumors

(04:35):
I guess a lot of this was also being potentially
delivered by drones, you know, And this is what a
lot of people are doing nowadays.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
When the inmates go to.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
The yard or whatever, they will get these accomplices, these
people that will help them bring in whether it be
drugs or weapons or whatever, and they're just dropping them
down on drones now. And there's actually been some people
on YouTube that has shown how easy this is actually
to do, as you know, especially in this particular area.

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But it's just a crazy story, which we're going to
go over. Before we go over that story, we did
just want to kind of update everybody.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yes, we've been in and out. This is August, this
is our new month.

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We almost did not think we were going to have
an episode tonight, but because of course, our freaking power
goes out. I don't know what happened exactly, but I
think there was a transformer that went down. And it
just seems so weird because it's like we're getting more
and more power outages or internet outages on a regular basis.
We're hearing so many people also saying the same thing
or similar including your daughter. She has constant power outages

(05:36):
probably once a week. We have had people report this
across the country, especially when we have talked about this
on the podcast before. It just seems all too very strange,
and then obviously an episode that we're going to have
coming up soon, we're going to try our very best
not to go too crazy on politics in the month
of August or even really just going forward, but obviously
things like you know, the United States and Russia and

(05:58):
their talk back and forth right now about a nuclear
war where Trump is threatened in Russian and Russia's threatened
in the United States, And you know, I recently just
read a post about the potential of an EMP attack
and how advanced China's EMP abilities really are, and then
thinking about like how outdated our power systems are in
the United States. I mean, literally, you can crash a

(06:22):
car into a poll and take out power for thousands
of people, But imagine an EMP device which can easily
access our power grid systems to where it could completely
take out everything and every bit of life that we
knew and instantaneously. Now there's a lot of people to speculate,
you know, is an EMP attack on the United States
even possible? Do we have really good defense systems for

(06:44):
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Some people to argue that we do not have that,
And there's a lot of people to even say our
EMP capabilities are not even on par with China. But
so we have that coming up that we're going to
talk about. I think we have to talk about that,
especial as things are advancing. Trump is moving nuclear submarines
and certain I guess you can say aspects of our

(07:07):
military into regions near and around Russia.

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We're going to talk about that.

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Obviously we are only in August.

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Spooky season is a couple of months away, but we're
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(07:37):
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You know, one thing I've learned, I guess over this
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(07:58):
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(08:48):
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Speaker 2 (11:04):
Well fun on your show, not online necessarily.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, not necessarily on you.

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That's my passion.

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So yeah, so it should be a good time.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
So let's go ahead and overview exactly what has happened
with this murder.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
Here's the incident overview.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
On July twenty nine, twenty twenty five, authorities discovered the
bodies of four relatives of a seven month old yeah
of a seven month old baby in Lake County, Tennessee,
near Tiptonville.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
These were identified as James M. Wilson twenty one, Adriana
Williams twenty, Courtney Rose thirty eight, and Braden Williams fifteen Now.
The infant, later identified as the daughter of Wilson and Williams,
was found alive but abandoned a car sat in a
yard about twenty five to forty miles away in tygrit Tennessee. Now,
the suspect right now is Austin Robert Drummond. Reputation twenty

(11:51):
eight year old. Criminal history includes armed robbery in twenty
thirteen and allege attempted murder while incarcerated members of the
Vice Lord street gang with prior disciplinary records. We're going
to go into the Vice Lords in just a bit now.
Right now, he's facing multiple charges including four counts of
first degree murder, aggravated kidnapping, four counts of fellon in
possession of a firearm, plus weapons offenses related to committing

(12:14):
other dangerous spellonies. Current status right now is Drummond remains
at large, considered armed and dangerous, and is believed to
be hiding in or around Jackson, Tennessee. Now, the reward
is combined ward for information leading to his captures up
to thirty thousand dollars. At the moment, I want to
go ahead and quickly play the court TV piece on
this murder. This was kind of the initial kind of

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the baseline of what happened, what authorities were doing, and
then we'll break a little bit of that down. Then
we're going to go further into what really happened on
that day of July twenty ninth.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Who the vice lords is?

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Why did he have so much commissary and was even
able to have firearms and all this stuff in prison?

Speaker 4 (12:56):
Was he a higher up? Was he a nobody? Here's
the story.

Speaker 6 (12:59):
Listen, all right, we're bringing into testimony for breaking news
out of Tennessee where officials are holding a news conference.

Speaker 4 (13:06):
In the abandoned baby family murders.

Speaker 7 (13:08):
I want to get you now to that presser.

Speaker 8 (13:13):
I want to thank all of the agencies involved in
this effort, and really I'm extremely proud of our team
here at TBI. They have been working around the clock,
putting in every resource that we.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Have to attempt to.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
Want to investigate this case, but also to bring resolution.
And so with that, I will turn it over to
General Goodman for his comments.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
John good I've known everyone.

Speaker 9 (13:52):
Thank you for being here. I don't have a lot
to have, but I do have a few things that
I would like to say. First of all, there can't
be any more tragedy in a family, or anything more
tragic to happen to a person than the loss of
a family member. Unfortunately, we have in this case family
who have lost multiple people, and so our heart goes

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out to the family.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
It goes out to the family that's.

Speaker 9 (14:16):
Going to be dealing with the child and raising a
child that has lost both parents now, so our hearts
go up to those individuals. I would like to think
the law enforcement this has been nothing short of impressive.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
Quich we we've done.

Speaker 9 (14:33):
As Director Ralph said, they've worked twenty four hours a day.
I don't think I've ever been so impressed with anyone
as I have with.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
The bunch that's worth.

Speaker 9 (14:42):
This information has come in so rapidly in this case.
It seems like just every five to ten minutes there's
new information coming in.

Speaker 7 (14:51):
So without this team.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
The tiers, there's no way we would be where we
are at this point. So I want to thank them
for that.

Speaker 9 (14:57):
The other thing is we are dealing with an extremely
violent individual. This was what we would think as an
isolated incident. It's not anything to where we think the
community is in danger because of a person who may
be out here randomly targeting people, because we don't think
that's the case at all. However, we do need the

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community to be very careful. We do not need them
to try to approach this person. We do need your
help and we appreciate the media of being here because
there's a lot of things we couldn't do in information
we couldn't get out without you.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
But we need the community as well. So if anyone
does have any information, don't approach the individual.

Speaker 9 (15:35):
Just contact the TBI hotline, call down one one, called
your local authorities.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
They will get you to the right person. But just
please do not approach this individual. Not only is he
known to be.

Speaker 9 (15:48):
A violent offender because of this incident, he's been violent
in the past, so we know that this is an
individual who could cause a person some damage.

Speaker 5 (15:57):
So just be very careful when you're out there.

Speaker 9 (16:01):
And other than that, I'll take questions in a few
minutes if you have any, but I don't.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Want to turn it over. Is someone that's foot yes
the way correct.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And I do want to stop here for a second
because obviously this press conference is much different than even
the Idaho four murders, to where the police department there
in Moscow, Idaho came out and essentially said all clear,
you know, don't have to worry about too much. We
think this is a targeted attack, even though they actually
did not have any idea whether this was targeted at
the time or not.

Speaker 4 (16:31):
Whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
They at least to our knowledge, they had no evidence
that the Idaho four murders were a targeted attack. Now
did they have evidence at this time that this was
a targeted attack. Likely, there's a lot of I guess
stems that kind of come from Austin Drummond and the
connection to the four victims. But even still, he says,
you know, if you see him out, do not approach him.
He's still very violent, He's still very dangerous. And although yes,

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we do believe this is targeted, you know, you're still
not safe to try to approach him or try to
apprehend him, or you know anything like that.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Yeah, just at sixteen years old, he went to jail
for thirteen years for robbing a convenience store with a weapon,
and he was dangerous then and then throughout his prison
sentence of thirteen years, he did some brutal damage to people.
Like he had a lot of offenses. I listened to
one of his parole meetings today. It was like a

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ten minute meeting. But the meeting was so unorganized and
didn't even ask him like, how are you trying to
better yourself? What are you doing? Are you ready to
be out in the community, in the community, there was
nothing mentioned. It was just like fact driven and talking
about all of his offenses while he was in prison

(17:45):
for thirteen years. And from what sounded like, he is
a higher up in a gang, and he has a
lot of stuff that makes him higher up. And I'm
talking about when you have commissary, when you have games,
when you have cell phones, when you have we like
guns in a prison, you're going to be on higher
up and people are going to be scared of you.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
And it's kind of strange too because the Vice Lords,
which we're going to talk about in just a bit,
that is who he was connected with.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
That is the gang he's connected with.

Speaker 10 (18:13):
Now.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Austin Drummond is this white guy. He kind of looks
like a country boy, white dude. If you look at
the Vice Lords and a lot of the arrest that
have come from the Vice Lords and even some of
the accomplices that seems like he has had during this
murder and the man hunt that they are currently that's
currently underway for Austin. A lot of his I guess
allies or whoever associates they are black. It looks like

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the Vice Lords are predominantly a black gang.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Yeah, they came out of Chicago, Illinois, Yes, Chicago.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
And so this white guy, this country kind of white dude,
kind of unassuming if you look at his picture, if
you kind of look and what he you know, what
he looks like, or at least over the past two
or three or four years, guy kind of seems unassuming.
Obviously some of his prison photos and pictures, you know,
you know, obviously he looks a little more prison oriented.
He's got the shaved head, he's you know, a little

(19:06):
more built than he used to be. I guess, probably
probably prior to prison. But yeah, this guy obviously has
some higher up connections in this game for whatever reason,
and that's interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
And even during his first trial when he got the
thirteen years, he was threatening the jurors. I guess he
had a phone call with his father saying that they
were on his hit list. He was going to go
after all of them that found him guilty. Yeah, so
he has been a very violent character since he was
a young age.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Yeah, and that kind of reminds me of the you know,
Marcuay's murder and you know, kind of what happened there
with that case where I guess Shelby got convicted or
I guess he took a plea deal, took a plea
deal for the Marca's murder. But you know, I think
he did very similar things, did he not. I mean,
he was infimidating.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
With witnesses because he had a cell phone in his
prison cell.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, and that's one of the things that Shelby had,
you know, during the Marquees thing, was he had cell phones,
he had connections, He had these people outside of prison
that were always kind of providing for him. And I think,
you know, for a lot of young people, as they
are growing up without fathers, they're growing up without this
stable environment in their house, you know, they they tend
to go to gangs because of that. They don't have

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a father figure, and these these gang members oftentimes are
the only people that they feel like care about them,
although usually gang members don't give a damn about you
in most cases. Now, if it involves them or something
they are involved in where you might roll on them,
that's when maybe they're going to come to your aid,
you know, for so long, because they're like shit, if

(20:38):
he gets back in and we had any connection to
any of this, we're going to be screwed.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
But it seems like in Austin's case, he had a
pretty good family and a fairly good family, you know,
dynamic as far as his mother and father.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah, all right, don't want to get to a little
more of this press conference, lism So the.

Speaker 7 (20:57):
United States, martiall service.

Speaker 11 (20:58):
I want to see in our circondosis to the family
of those affected. Again, such a tragic loss. I cannot
imagine what they may be going through. And I'm a
firm believer that the only way to achieve some type
of justice, if you will, is to hold someone accountable.

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And that's why everybody, that's why we are similar here today,
everyone here.

Speaker 4 (21:27):
Although we may.

Speaker 11 (21:28):
Wear different badges, different lapel pions, our acies have different names.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
Some are federal, some are state, some are local.

Speaker 11 (21:38):
But let me assure you we are unified in our
efforts to find Austin Drummond. This individual has shown the
propensity for violence, and he needs to.

Speaker 7 (21:48):
Be taken off the streets. We would like to do
that peacefully. We would like for him to turn themselves in,
turn himself in.

Speaker 11 (21:54):
That will be the goal. The goal would be a
safe surrender, and that way we can assure that he's
taking into custody safely and that there's no injury to
law enforcement or the public.

Speaker 7 (22:07):
Let me assure you this, the US Marshal Service.

Speaker 11 (22:10):
Will not stop until he is in custody.

Speaker 7 (22:14):
We have our whole.

Speaker 11 (22:15):
Team dedicated and prioritizing this incident, and it's not a
matter of if, but a matter of when he's found.
And it's not just here in West Tennessee, but we
have support divisions at headquarters that are also assisting in
this effort. So as you know, there's been a reward offered.

(22:35):
And to those who may know where he is, we don't.
We don't care about where he may be other than
you pay you you've given us the information and you
will get paid, no questions asked. So that is a priority,

(22:56):
is for him to turn himself in. But if not,
then that were war or does stand and we will
gladly take him into custody. And again I want to
thank everybody involved. The TBI done a phenomenal job as
always with the investigation, the other law enforcement agencies that.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
Have been mentioned.

Speaker 11 (23:17):
Everyone, we are unified out here for us to find him.
So again I just want to thank you for being
here today and helping us get this message out, all right.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
So that was the initial press conference where the TBI
Tennessee Bureau of Investigation obviously US Marshall is the sheriff's office.
They were essentially just commenting on the initial stages of
the investigation. Now, what we can say is this happened,
you know, a few days ago. It is now August fourth, Yeah,
it started on Tuesday. It happened Tuesday. They found the

(23:45):
baby abandoned. Yes, and he actually was the one that
put the baby out in the yard and made sure
somebody knew that the baby was there. So he obviously
had some kind of feelings for babies. Or maybe it's
because gangs don't go for killing babies on I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
But the baby was found first, and then moments later
that night is when they found the four family members
tied to the baby. After they found the bodies a
day later, they found the white addi that he appeared
to be living in. It looked like he was living
in it. There was all kinds of trash and stuff
in there. It was close through the woods, and a

(24:21):
lot of people say that maybe his affiliates must have
picked him up on the side of the road and
are helping him move from place to place. But that's
been the only sighting so far is when they found
the pickup truck which belonged to Matthew, the twenty one
year old, the dad of the baby. They found his truck,
they towed it, and they towed the Audi, and I

(24:42):
think there was one other car that they had towed.
But that's the only sighting they've had. As a matter
of fact, today they didn't even know if he was
in Tennessee at all.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, even though you know, over the past two days
and I've been looking on flight radar, they have been
flying the Highway Patrol helicopter over Jackson and the town
just north of Jackson all the time. I mean, they're
up in the air a lot. And not only are
they in the air with helicopters, they also have an aircraft.
I think the aircraft I can't even remember what it is,

(25:12):
the Polats. I believe it is a Polatus type aircraft.
It is a turboprop. But they usually have sonar on
some of those Tennessee Hour Patrol US Marshals FBI they
often use these aircraft. They're usually fly at like seventeen
to eighteen thousand feet. They will orbit a particular area,
and this camera system on the bottom of this aircraft

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is far advanced.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I mean, you're talking about fleer, you're.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Talking about thermal, you're talking about every type of camera
that you can possibly have on a federal aircraft. Just
imagine a federal aircraft flying above, and you put that
same aircraft with the same technology in a wartime scenario.
You can see everything. And so I don't know if
any of you guys have ever saw the camera systems
that say, the Apache gunships, the helicopters in Afghanistan and

(25:58):
iraqis where it kind of lights up everything. Those are
flear systems usually or thermals, but it will light up
everything and you can see people walking and running in
certain areas. You can see everything like his daytime. So
they've been flying that polattis, you know, overhead, they've been
orbiting in.

Speaker 4 (26:14):
This particular area.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
And then you also see the Tennessee how I Patrol
helicopter that's usually about twenty miles south of there. So
they're coordinating together in the sense of the federal agencies
are using their aircraft to coordinate a search grid or
a pattern. And then you also have Tennessee how a patrol,
you probably also have some other assets that are not ADSB,
which means you're not going to be able to see
those on flight radar.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
I mean, that's the smart.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Thing to do, especially if this guy is smart enough
he has a cell phone, which we'll talk about in
a little bit, But if he has a cell phone
and he's able to look at flight radar and kind
of see where helicopters are searching where they're not. The
question is is like, obviously, if this guy's car was
found near a wooded area, right, and you know this
from what we understand, he's not necessarily known to be

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a woodsman. Although yes, there are some pictures of him.
He's from Tennessee. He kind of look like a country
boy I guess growing up, and so woodsman to that degree.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
I wouldn't necessarily classify him as a woodsman.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
He's been in prison more than he's been in the woods,
so I mean, and that's just the reality of it.
So he's likely not going to be the type of
person really to survive in a wooded scenario situation, in
this environment, and especially if you have these aircraft that
I just talked about with the fleer and the thermals
and everything that are flying above. If you're anywhere in
those woods, you're going to be found. You're going to

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be seen.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Six days and they still have not found him.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Yes, what I think, And we're going to get into
some more videos, but you know, just think about this.
If this guy, Austin Drummond is in prison, he seems
to be decently high up in this gang. You know,
with the fact that he has all this commissary and
weapons and cell phones and you name it, and people
flying drones in to give him shit. You know, if
he's kind of this high up of a position in

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this gang, then likely where he's at is with one
of his associates or they're hiding them out in some
safe house, some house that they have, you know. And
for people to don't understand when we're talking about the
Vice Lords, which is this gang, the Vice Lords are
pretty extensive. They're not just some random gang that kind

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of popped up out of nowhere. These guys are pretty
extensive as far as their past and their history. Just
to kind of give you a little bit of the
gang history of the Vice Lords, they were found in
late nineteen fifties, They were found in Chicago, Illinois, a
north of Lawn Deell neighborhood. The founders were Edward Pepolo Perry,

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and several others. The original name was Conservative Vice Lords
I guess original purpose was initially created as a neighborhood
club for African American youths, but quickly evolved into a
violent street gang. They main colors are red and gold,
though sometimes black and gold. They common symbols are top hats, canes,
champagne glasses, playboy bunnies, five pointed stars showing allegiance to

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the people nation, and the crescent moon hand signs. Members
often use five pointed hand signs and gestures to represent
the People Nation alliance. The Vice Lords are split into
multiple factions with varying ideologies and rivalry. So they have
the Conservative Vice Lords or CVLS, they have Traveling Vice
Lords or TVLS, Insane Vice Lords IVL, and Unknown Vice

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Lords UVL, and then Elite Vice Lords and others and
so factions sometimes feud among themselves even while sharing overall
affiliation with the Vice Lords, so the criminal activity in general.
They're classified as a criminal street gang and have been
connected to drug trafficking, crack heroin, meth, marijuana pills, weapons trafficking,
armed robbery, burglary, murder, and assault, witness attimidation, gang recruitment,

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enforced initiation, prostitution, and human trafficking. And they are organized
enough to be considered part of the National Gang Threat
Assessment by the FBI, and so the vice lords in Tennessee.
Major cities of activity is Memphis, Nashville, Jackson, Iiersburg, or
Dyer County in Clarksville. So Jackson is where Drummond is

(30:06):
essentially kind of from. I mean, he's from I guess
an outlying town, but yeah, Jackson, Tennessee. Obviously, Memphis is
one of the most dangerous cities in the entire country.
For people that don't understand that Memphis, Tennessee is a
very violent town, they usually rank in the top ten
of most deadly cities in the country. Spartanburg, actually, where
we lived near, was also on that list at one

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point in time. I think that Spartburg was ranked number eight,
But Memphis is usually always up there, and oftentimes Memphis
is like top five, top three over Flint, Michigan and
some of these other places. There's I think a couple
of towns in Alabama that usually rank pretty high. But
Memphis is a very very violent place, and in large
part because of the Vice Lords. The Vice Lords are

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considered one of the biggest gangs in Tennessee and especially
in Memphis, Jackson, and Clarksville. So although the gang was
started in Chicago, they have obviously went across the country.
It was a predominantly black gang and I believe it
still is, which is also the interesting part of this
Austin Drummond thing, because this guy having so much power
and authority, it sounds like in this gang and with

(31:10):
all the you know, with all the benefits he has
received and in prison. You know, it is interesting to me,
I guess, is what I'm saying now. Memphis is one
of the most active areas for Device Lords in Tennessee,
and they have long been conflict with rival gangs like
the Gangster Disciples or GDS and the Crips, and the
Vice Lords in Memphis having linked to drug traffick and shootings,

(31:31):
retaliatory killings, and territorial disputes. And Memphis police have identified
various sets including the travel and Vice Lords and unknown
Vice Lords. And then you also have a little bit
of this in national Nationals law enforcement has encountered vice
lord influence, especially.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
In North Nashville.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
But you know, Nashville's policing is you know, I would say,
probably not authoritarian, but they just have a better police force.
They got a better gang unit, although you would think
Memphis would. But then you start looking at Memphis and
kind of their political makeup. A lot of Memphis political makeup,
whoever is in office there, it kind of seems like
they like or allow this stuff to happen for whatever reason.

(32:09):
Memphis is a place that is run rampant with gang activity.
Nashal Is is definitely not the same because Nashville has
a lot of tourism to protect.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
You know, you have the music industry there.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
You have so much tourism that would be affected by
mass gang activity like you see in Chicago or Memphis.
So Nashville really does try their very best to hamper
down on that, and that just proves when you do
have actual successful gang units in places like Nashville, it
does work. But if you don't give a damn and
you let people out all the freaking time, like in

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Memphis and Jackson and whoever that repeat offenders, violent crime offenders,
you just breed bigger gangs and you allow them to
almost take over cities. Now most people, I guess, don't
think that gangs are as prominent as they used to be.
You know, you go back to like this, you know,
the forties and the fifties, in the sixties when there
were mafia and you know, the mafia ran towns like

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New York and Chicago and all of this. And there's
a lot of gangs today that actually are running towns,
and especially in Chicago.

Speaker 4 (33:11):
I mean, look at Chicago.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Look at how devastating the gang violence has been in Chicago.
Look how many people die on a regular basis in Chicago.
And it's not just Chicago, as we said, Memphis, in
Los Angeles and New York and various places in New York.
But then there's also the smaller towns. You know, in Alabama,
you know tuscalusca is A is a very very violent
place as well Tulsa, Oklahoma. You know, they have horrific

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gang activity and it's even starting to pop up in Spartburg.
You know Spartanburg, South Carolina. There's shootings all the time.
That happened there was there was I think a guy
that got shot driving his vehicle.

Speaker 4 (33:45):
The other day there was a young baby that.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
Just died, got shot in the neck through an apartment that.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Was two days ago. You know, And Spartanburg is not
some big, you know, city center, a.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Small town kind of like Jackson, Tennessee is.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
It is, absolutely, but gangs are starting to have prevail
in a lot of towns that are that. And I'm
not even saying necessarily. The Spartanburg is allowing it to
necessarily happen. But when you don't necessarily, I guess have
organized gang units that really go after these people that
are not connected in ways that they should be, whether
it be in the school systems. We talked to Nick

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Duncan about that, which is, by the way, election night
is tomorrow or tomorrow. Election day is tomorrow. For Nick,
that's the runoff, and then there'll be the top two
candidates for Spartburg Jeffer Spartanburg.

Speaker 4 (34:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
And then you've got Dier County and Dyersburg Austin Drummond,
the suspect in the quadruple murders and Dyersburg twenty twenty
five alleged connections to the vice lords we talk about,
and law enforcement in DIYer County has struggled in recent
years with increasing vice lord presence, particularly as crime moves
from urban centers or rural Tennessee. And there's been several
individuals arrested as accessory in the Dyersburg case. It's also

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suspective vice lord ties. So now the FBI and ATF
involvement in this, they're a part of Federal investigation investigation
due to their multi state coordination, and so in Tennessee
task Force including ATF, which is obviously the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco and Farm Arms, which I think is unconstitutional, but whatever,
the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation or TBI, Federal bure of Investigation,

(35:16):
FBI and Gang Task Force and so recent high profile
cases in Tennessee. In twenty twenty one, there was a
huge Memphis drug bust. Over thirty Vice Lords members were
indicted for a drug trafficking ring tied to cocaine and Fittanhol,
operating in coordination with other gangs. In twenty twenty two
National Racketeering case, federal prosecutors charged multiple vice Lord members
with racketeering and conspiracy in a case involved in murder

(35:38):
for hire and interstate drug movement. Obviously the twenty twenty
five recent one Austin Drummond, the led shooter. Several suspects
have been arrested, which we're going to talk about in
just a second, but I do go ahead.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Cherry, and but before we do, it's very interesting where
the bodies were found. They were found very close to
the prison where Austin Drummonds spent thirteen years of his life,
and it is suspected that they were doing drug drops
there and they were using drones to drop the drugs
into the prison facility. And I'm talking about Matthew and

(36:12):
Adriana that was the couple that was had the baby,
and then Adriana's mother, which was Courtney Rose, and her
little brother which was Braiden, and Braden was just fifteen
years old. And there is speculation that the reason why
Braiden was there is maybe they were even getting him
affiliated into these drug drug drops and possibly into these gangs.

(36:36):
And it was a hit ordered on this family because
it was a drug deal that went bad. Yeah, so
one of this the.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Theories, so yeah, but theory, but we have no idea, right,
But what is the theory?

Speaker 4 (36:48):
Just talking about that? Besides the fifteen year old.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Do the speculation that potentially the people that were murdered
were involved in some ways, Yes, that.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
They were doing the drug drops, just like Austin was
getting the drug drops when he was in prison for
thirteen years. When he got out of prison, he started
doing the drug drops and giving the drugs two prisoners
in the jail makes sense, and he had the family
members doing this as well.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
Yeah, and I want to go back to for a
second before we get into another clip. But you know,
there's also been some speculation that he may have been
spotted with a ar fifteen, and that's kind of a
breaking thing. As of the past thirty minutes. We don't
know for sure. You know, Austin Drummond, as we were saying,
you know, having been in prison for himself, not me,
I'm saying him being in prison for thirteen years. You know,

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he's not necessarily a woodsman, but he is likely having
help from somebody.

Speaker 4 (37:40):
I would assume.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
And they obviously, and they've already arrested three yeah, well
and really four yeah, really four.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
People, but three are definitely connected. The fourth one was
arrested over the weekend, but it was on drug charges.
But later they put on his charges conspiracy.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Yeah, so there's something obviously involved in all of this,
and it'll be very interesting if they catch Austin Drummond
and if Austin Drummond is in Tennessee still. Now the
thing is is that for Austin for those that are wondering,
you know, you guys are probably thinking, is he in Tennessee?

Speaker 4 (38:14):
Is he not? It would be hard for me to
believe that he's not necessarily in Tennessee because once he
leaves Tennessee, unless he goes into other known vice lord
type areas which are not necessarily as we already have
talked about friendly with other vice lord.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Gangs, you know, it may not be. You know, he's
kind of king in this area. You know, to some degree,
he has some stature here. So for him leaving this
area would be detrimental to him in the long run,
likely because you know, they're gonna know every single thing
this guy does. He can't use a credit card, he
can't use a debit card, he can't use his cell phone,
he can't use anything unless he goes and buys in

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cash money, you know, a throwaway phone.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Yeah, but his pictures all over the place exactly. There's
a man hunt for him.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah, so it's gonna be very very hard.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Yeah, it's gonna be extremely hard for him to add
actually live a life in any way, shape or form
without having help to some degree. That's why I do
think that he's likely still in this area, whether it
be Jackson or whether it be Memphis. I think he's
likely still there because he has to have help, and
he's probably going to have to have people that go
and buy him supplies or things until you know, he
figures out a way out of there or to get

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out from wherever he is.

Speaker 4 (39:20):
But it just is crazy to me.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
How you know, this guy been in prison for thirteen years,
and you know we've talked so many times too. There's
a lot of people that go to prison, especially when
they're kind of big dogs in prison, they don't give
a shit about being out. You know, he's been out
what you said, a year, but he probably feels like
he has more stature and respect in prison than he
does outside of prison. And there could also be that

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kind of you know, sense of you know, he doesn't
feel at home outside of prison. There's a lot of
people once they get out of prison, especially if they're
involved in gangs. They just don't feel normal, they don't
feel like they should be out in society. And then
sometimes also you have high and higher threats outside of
prison than you do inside of prison, you know what
I mean. So, and especially being as high up as

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he is. But I want to go ahead and get
to this club. From Court TV. This is the latest
details and this was just about seven hours ago. Latest
details on Austin Drummond manhunt and what we know so far.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Listen.

Speaker 12 (40:18):
On Tuesday afternoon, a homeowner in Dyer County called the
Sheriff's office to report that there was an infant left
stranded in.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
A car seat in their yard.

Speaker 12 (40:27):
The seven month old girl was taken to a hospital
to be checked out and was found to be uninjured.
Then a few hours later, four bodies were found about
forty five minutes away in Lake County. They were just
identified as the baby's father, twenty one year old Matthew
Wilson and mother, twenty year old Adriana Williams, as well
as the baby's maternal grandmother, thirty eight year old Corney Rose,

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and her maternal uncle, fifteen year old Brandon Williams. Police
have not said who found them or how they died.

Speaker 13 (40:58):
The investigation, including efforts to identify an everyhend as suspect
or suspects, remains active and ongoing. Local residents are asked
to remain vigilant and report any information to local authorities.

Speaker 10 (41:12):
That suspect has been identified as Austin Drummond. He was
driving a white Audi and now we've got more information
that vehicle has been found. Take a look at this
from the City of Jackson, Tennessee. The Jackson Police Department
located the vehicle driven by Austin Drummond in the woods
near the end of Mco Road. It appears that he's

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been living in the vehicle and maybe in the area.
JPD asked that all people within the immediate area of
this alert to lock your doors, stay indoors as we
actively search for Drummond. Remember, he is considered armed and
extremely dangerous. This is not an exaggeration. They suspect him

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of killing four people already. If you see him, call
nine to one one immediately. Do not approach the suspect.
Here's David Rousse. He's the director of the Tennessee Bureau
of Investigation TBI.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
Let's listen.

Speaker 8 (42:11):
He is considered armed in dangerous. This is why we're
advising the public not to engage with him.

Speaker 7 (42:21):
To call us if you see.

Speaker 8 (42:25):
Him, if you have information about his whereabouts, to reach
out through the one eight hundred TBI find line. We
have also, in conjunction with the US Marshals, put a
fifteen thousand dollars reward for information leading to his arrest

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and conviction. So what you're asking is when I mentioned
a sign of compassion from the suspect, yes, so, yes,
they brought attention when they dropped the child off, brought attention,
There were people nearby, brought attention to those people to
come and get the child. There was a familial relationship

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between the suspect and the family.

Speaker 10 (43:11):
So now we're getting a little more information about this suspect.
So number one wanted to make sure the baby was okay,
showed a level of compassion at least for the child,
perhaps not for the four dead people left behind, but
got the attention of people before he took off in
that white audi the out he's been found he has not,

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So what exactly is his connection.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
To the victims? Here the familial connection. Take a look
at this.

Speaker 10 (43:39):
We found this on Facebook a family member of the
victims posted this Courtney Rose, My husband and Caitlin are siblings.
Adriana and Braden are our niece and nephew. Austin Drummond
was Caitlin's boyfriend at one time. Yes, he was close

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to our family. Yes, we cared about him and thought
he cared about us. He has literally been nothing short
of amazing to us and our kids every time he's
been around us up until this point. He's been amazing
to our niece, Caitlin's daughter. We never expected him to
cause any harm to anyone, much less in our family.

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Adds another level of why to all of this, if
in fact he's the one responsible. Let's bring in our
think tank tonight, joining US criminal defense attorney Josh colesrud
Is with US trial attorney and author Jeffrey B. Simon
and attorney Dwight Williams. Great to have everyone here. Josh,
what are your thoughts here about the connection between the

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man who's on the run, the man who's wanted, and
the victims in this case.

Speaker 14 (44:55):
Well, I'm glad that they found a connection because that
tell us a little bit more of a possible motive. Uh,
you know, one thing I'd like to note is that
because there are four victims here, four murdered victims, that
does make mister Drummond eligible for the death penalty in Tennessee.

Speaker 13 (45:18):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (45:18):
You know, one thing I'm interested in is also what
type of forensic evidence do they have, because if he
has some type of familial relationship, he's going to have
his DNA all over the place anyway. So I'm kind
of expecting that his DNA was probably found in you know,
some blood or under their fingernails to show some type
of you know, defensive struggle.

Speaker 4 (45:40):
So there's still a lot.

Speaker 14 (45:41):
To learn here. We don't even know the manner of
death yet.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
Uh.

Speaker 14 (45:44):
You know, the the detectives and the police department are
doing a great job at keeping these facts, you know,
close to the vest.

Speaker 4 (45:51):
All right, SERI, we do know the manner of death, right, Yes, we.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Do as of today. That the manner of death was
shot by a firearm.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Yeah yeah, so likely there's not going to be defense
wounds or whatever.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
There could be, obviously, but when you're shot, you know,
the likelihood of defense wounds or any of that stuff
is going to be unlikely.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
But I wanted to play a little more this.

Speaker 14 (46:12):
Which they need to do in order before they catch them.

Speaker 10 (46:16):
Yeah, and Jeffery talking about manner of death here, it's
got to be in a way where he can control
four people. I mean there's only one of him, four victims,
three of them adults. They're young adults, but adults nonetheless,
and another fifteen year old without harming the baby. You
put that together and you're wondering how exactly did this

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all go down? And that's going to be a big
part of the investigation.

Speaker 15 (46:44):
Right, I mean, to simply murder four people takes an
enormous amount of superior force. Whether it's a gun, you know,
whether it's a knife, and you catch them by surprise
and so forth. And so while we don't know the man,
I think we know that it was brutal, and it

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appears that it's personal. And if it's him, of course
he's presumed innocent. But there's going to be a lot
of physical evidence whoever the killer is. But eventually puts
that killer at the same.

Speaker 10 (47:19):
Yeah, and you think about it, it's not someone breaking in, right,
someone's breaking in, everyone's going to be an alert.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
It's going to be more difficult if it's someone.

Speaker 10 (47:27):
You know, then they may trust him, and it may
be in a very you know, friendly situation until it
isn't do.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
What I want to stop for a second, because when
you talk about personal, what does that mean?

Speaker 9 (47:38):
Well?

Speaker 3 (47:40):
I mean, obviously, if this guy and family members are saying, hey,
we never thought that he would ever harm anybody in
our family, and yet here he is killing four of them, sparing.

Speaker 4 (47:49):
The baby, you know, what does that mean? Well?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
To me, it almost sounds like that was one of
these or multiple of these people potentially caught up in
some type of I guess you can say, not undercover up,
but maybe an informant for someone.

Speaker 4 (48:06):
And what I would love to know.

Speaker 3 (48:08):
Is does the TBI or FBI or one of these
agencies know a lot more about why this happened than
they are ever saying.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Right, because how did they know so fast it was him?

Speaker 10 (48:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (48:19):
And could these family members or one of them or
whatever had been potentially working with a you know, an
agency or a law enforcement division that was about to
take down him and the vice lords. This to me
sounds like some type of undercover gang operation that they
utilized people that were close to him. Once maybe he

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found out about it to save his own ass maybe
he went out and did this.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Mader Di ordered to hit them.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Yeah, absolutely, and it was him that ordered it because
he was the one close to them, and somehow they
found out. Because you know, when you think about big
gangs like this, the vice lords, the crips, the bloods, whoever,
you know, you think about big gangs, you know, when
there are undercover operations within federal agencies. You know, what
you also have to understand is that not every federal

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agent is necessarily black and white. There have always been
occurrences of federal agents or or someone that is connected
in a higher level to some of these gangs that
may leak information to the gang members, especially about upcoming
or ongoing investigations into a particular person or a gang.
And so, but what it does sound like, obviously Austin

(49:29):
Drummond was decently high up all the you know, kind
of like you said, all of the I guess luxuries
he had in prison. And then even now, you know,
after the fact, you know, we've had three people or
four people I guess technically arrested that have been trying
to assist him in this. So they you know, it's

(49:49):
just some random gang members is not going to be
assisted by a gang like this, especially after a quadruple murder.
And you know yourself that if you get caught assisting
someone like this as accessory after the fact.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Yeah, you're going to spend fifteen years in jail at
least accessory at least.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
So this guy at least was very important to this
gag to some degree. But I'm sure that he was
definitely not the top of the top. There is many
levels to gangs, but it sounds like maybe someone in
this family may have been talking, yeah, cooperating or something,
doing certain things to where they could get to the

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bigger or higher up people in this gang.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
And it wasn't either the four family members that were
found dead, or could it have been his former or
previous or whatever you want to call girlfriend that he
met while he was in prison, And I'm talking about Caitlyn,
and Caitlyn was Courtney's sister.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Now which one so is that the girl that was
the prison.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Guard or yes? And Caitlyn was the one that was
dating and there's allegations that she is four months pregnant
with his child. At the moment, nobody knows where she is.
I don't think she probably wants anyone to know where
she is. But I think that if she was with Austin,
that would be all over the news. So I don't
think she's with him. I think that she is safe

(51:07):
at the moment. But it was either her or her
family members that were talking to law enforcement and maybe
that's why they ordered the hit.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, and you also have to understand like when we
played I think it was the Jeffrey Epstein episode where
we had we played the clip of the CIA guy
that the XCIA officer that was on PbD podcast and
he was specifically talking about you know, PbD asking he said,
do you think that Epstein killed himself? And he said, well,
I think I think he probably did, And PBC he said,

(51:38):
why why would you ever think that? He's like, well,
he's like, have you ever met prison guards in a
lot of these prisons? Like and by the way, if
you're a prison guard out there, we're not trashing you.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
This was what this guy said.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
But he said, prison guards literally you just have to
even just be working on a ged. You don't really
you could probably even have criminal charges for that matter.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
You're kind of.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
It's very hard to get people to work in prison,
so you take you take any and everybody, and a
lot of these people, according to the CIA, guy basically
has no IQ to some degree. And I'm not saying
that's for every prison guard or everybody that works in
the prison system, but that's why we have so many
issues in the prison system.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
But there is speculation that even the prison guards could
be affiliated to this gang. Yeah, be helping them.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Well for sure, I mean I think, I mean, how could.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
They not if they see all this stuff this guy
has and he has firearms in a jail. How do
you not see things like this?

Speaker 9 (52:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:33):
You do?

Speaker 3 (52:33):
Yeah, But also you know, you have to understand, like
federal agencies, for example, you know a lot of this
stuff is allowed to happen in prison systems with gangs
like this, and there are likely prison guards or people
that are put into places, prison guards that the federal
agencies work with or try to get intel on or
information from, and they allow some of these shit to

(52:53):
happen to.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
Kind of try to take them down, yeah, to kind.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
Of evacerate the investigation to go beyond on what it is.
So if someone is delivering weapons or drugs or whatever
to the prison phones or anything whatever, and then you know,
you allow that stuff to happen so that you can
then go for the bigger fish. Now, if say, for example,
any of these family members were a direct kind of

(53:18):
in between middleman, or maybe there were multiple of them,
so maybe even for example, I mean, I'm not saying
this the case, but like the fifteen year old may
have been flying the drone because maybe the other ones
didn't necessarily not really.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
And we know Courtney Rose, the grandmother and which she
is young, thirty eight, both of her ex husbands or
ex boyfriends are in the same gail that Austin was in.

Speaker 4 (53:40):
Yeah, well that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
I mean, you know, if these four were middlemen in
any way, shape or form, and you know, they were
obviously going to someone else to get the things that
they were supplying to Austin and probably others in the prison,
you know, did someone interject between them and say, hey,
where you're getting your shit from? You're going to work

(54:02):
with us, or you're going to prison. We've caught you
now introducing you know, drugs or weapons to a prison.
That means you're at least going to prison for this long.
This is felony offenses, probably in some cases potentially federal
offenses depends on especially if it's gang related or any
of this stuff. So they may have threatened these people
to where they almost felt like they had to work

(54:22):
with them. And then if Austin or others found out
that these people were working with federal agencies, this could
have been a undercover operation that went very bad, right,
and especially for these four people, because when you start
screwing with the gangs and they find out that you are,
you know, nitch, you're a nitche, you're a rat, and
you're working with federal you're this is the type of

(54:44):
shit that can happen.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, And people are like seventeen twenty thousand, I would
not give up anybody for twenty thousand dollars because it's
not worth my life.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
No, but it's not the money, it's right, But we're
talking about is four.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, I'm just saying people would not rat on only
for even twenty thousand dollars because they say if they
rat on them, they're going to be killed.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Well yeah, I mean if it's ever found out, even
though they try to tell you whatever, but gangs have
a way of finding out, like who rated why? You know,
if you give out certain information, and some gangs are
smart enough to know that you only give certain information
to certain people and if it ever gets out, you
know the chain of custody of where the information came
from to where you can at least go down that
rabbit hole.

Speaker 4 (55:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
Whether you think gangs are dumb or not, a lot
of gangs are not very dumb.

Speaker 4 (55:29):
I mean they are.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
They have constitutions. Yeah, well their own constitution.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Yeah, I know. But it's just also the same things.
Like you see some people.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
That are very smart in you know, technology, they're very
smart in business, they're very smart in this. And then
you have criminals that are extremely smart in things like
business or stuff like that. They may have never graduated,
they may have never got out of middle school, but
they're smart enough. They they're in the system and the
game long enough. That is their passion. And anything that
becomes your passion and you want it bad enough, you

(55:57):
eventually get good at it. And a lot of these
members are very good at understanding running the gangs. No
one who is you know, who's loyal, who isn't, No
one who's talking who isn't. You have even like kind
of booby trap ways, not physically, but actually information wise
on how and who is talking. If someone is and
they can easily find that shit out pretty fast. Let's

(56:19):
listen to this a little more of this clip, right.

Speaker 10 (56:22):
I want you to take a listen to this because
this is something else people are talking about. This is
the district attorney talking more about Austin Drummond.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
Austin Drummond was convicted in Madison County several years ago
for an agrivage of robbery. He was sentenced to the
Tennessee Department of Corrections and he was housed at Northwest
Correction which.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Is in Tiptonville and Lake County.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
He completed that sentence, so if we call flattening the Senate,
so he doesn't actually come out home parole or probation, he's.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
Just released because he's done all of this time in prison.

Speaker 7 (56:55):
While he was in prison.

Speaker 5 (56:57):
He received other charges.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
Will We actually took him to grand jury in Lake
County because since.

Speaker 7 (57:03):
It occurated the prison, then it was in our jurisdiction.

Speaker 9 (57:07):
He has some drug charges that we indicted him for,
and then shortly after that he actually was charged and
indicted in Lake County for attempted murder attempted first Chary
murder which.

Speaker 7 (57:17):
Took place inside the prison.

Speaker 9 (57:20):
Because he completed his sentence, then that was just like
any other sentence that a person on the street would
have committed.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
So what happened is once he was released from the.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
Defrontment of corrections, the Late County Sheriff's Department picked him
up just as they would anyone else, brought him to
the Lake County Jail, and he made bond. So he
has been out on bond on those charges. When we
think that this was allegedly committed.

Speaker 10 (57:44):
Hi Dwight explain to the folks at home, why someone who's.

Speaker 16 (57:48):
Just served thirteen years in prison and is facing attempted
murder charges and drug charges is given bond.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
What's going on in our world?

Speaker 6 (58:03):
It's so frustrating, Vintie, I don't understand it. This would
be a situation where you would think someone would remain incarcerated,
understanding once again innocent and so proven guilty with those charges.
But given his history, it's just troubling that this man
would be out on the street once again. If he's
the accused, if he's the one who did it, it's

(58:25):
just just troubling that someone with this criminal pass and
history would be out there. Now. With that said, it
is amazing that the baby was not harmed, that that
baby was brought to someone's door step. It's just it's
an incredible aspect of this case. Not you know, once again,
what he did was awful in terms of the other
four murders, but if it was him, but certainly, as

(58:46):
to the TBI said, it's just an amazing bit of
compassion in a very brutal situation that he would do that.

Speaker 10 (58:53):
Yeah, if the baby's left there, the baby dies, because
no one finds the bodies. The only reason they found
the bodies is because they found the baby. Obviously, this
is a troubling case. We're going to continue to follow
every development in it. But troubling because this is a
guy with a violent pass does thirteen years while doing
to thirteen years an attempted murder.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Yet we give.

Speaker 10 (59:15):
Him bond, we let him out, and now when he
gets arrested, he'll be facing attempted murder and four first
degree homicide charges. All right, think thanks dating with us
when we come back.

Speaker 4 (59:26):
All right.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
So that was the attorneys and what they said. By
the way, just an hour ago, there is breaking footage
of Austin Drummon exiting a barn off of seven hundred
Pippin Road in Jackson, Tennessee around four thirty am.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
He has a large backpack.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
And then there's also footage on Pipkin Road that he
was it looks like trying to in or around some.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Type of school. This is video footage of him.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Now, we also got to talk about the arrest that
were around Austin Drummond so far. That is Tanaka Brown,
Giavante Thomas, the Ariah Sanders, and Brandon Powell.

Speaker 4 (01:00:08):
These are the four people that are.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Associated with Austin Drummond that assisted him or at least
I guess accessory after the fact. There is tons of
footage coming out right now as of an hour ago.
This is actual footage of Austin Drummond spotted wearing a
camerauflage and a backpack in Jackson, Tennessee. So obviously he
came out of a barn.

Speaker 9 (01:00:30):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Last night, Cherry, when when I think you had mentioned
that there was a man hunt ongoing, they felt like
they kind of knew somewhere around where this guy was.
And when I was talking about this, when I looked
at flight radar and I don't know what the actual
radar looks like right now. I'll look at it in
a second, but when I was looking at flight radar,
we had the we had the aircraft, the turbot prop

(01:00:51):
aircraft that was flying above. The turaprop was flying above Jackson.
You had the highway patrol helicopter which I think was
a bell I don't know, two or six or whatever.
That helicopter was flying probably some twenty five miles north
of Jackson, and it was doing loops as well, So
it kind of felt like maybe they knew or had
a right to potentially where this person, Austin Drromen is

(01:01:13):
or was, But it sounds like where that actual turboprop
aircraft was flying was likely where Austin Drummond was last night,
because it shows him leaving a barn around and near Jackson, Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
At thirty in the morning.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
But it's smart that he left a barn. It's smart
that he was in a barn until four thirty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Days and a very affluent neighborhood, which is really crazy
because you wouldn't even think this barn would be in
this neighborhood. But when you go onto the Google Earth
and you look at it, you would never imagine it
to even be there. Now. Nothing came out of it
last night. Today all the manhatan hunts have gone crazy.
There are man hunts at churches, there are man hunts

(01:01:54):
at this barn. And come to find out, that's when
the fourth person was arrested today, which was Sanders. I
think she was twenty four years old, and she was
arrested today as an access story after the fact as well,
And so a lot of people thought when they had
this man hunt, they had the swat out there, everything
was going great, like, oh, yeah, we're going to get him,

(01:02:15):
We're going to get him. But I think they were
going after her And then when they went to the
barn earlier or like later this afternoon. I think this
was around two o'clock Eastern Standard time, they were flying
drones into this barn. But I don't think anything ever
came out of it. But they must have had a
footage at four thirty this morning, knowing he was there earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Well.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
The interesting thing too, and this is what makes me
think about this, By the way, in some of this
footage is showing him going up to a door. He
has a black rifle. It appears potentially a black rifle,
likely AR fifteen. I think there's been some speculation by that.
It's kind of hard to see just looking at it
while I'm talking to you guys. But also I want
to point out this, So as we were talking last

(01:02:58):
night about the flight radar, I'm looking at the last
flights that were flying last night on flight radar. And
you know what time the flight stopped last night four
to ten am, So the last flight, so the the
turboproper aircraft stopped at three forty five ish. The helicopter
went down, So basically they were done last night about

(01:03:21):
four ten, four fifteen ish. He exits exits the barn
last night at four thirty.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
So what he taught to know? Yeah, sure he's got
some type of flight radar. I would have guessed.

Speaker 3 (01:03:32):
So if I'm looking at Jackson, Tennessee right now, there's
zero flying at all, There's there's no sign of a helicopter,
there's no sign of anything flying doing any.

Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
Patterns that we know of. Well, yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
So maybe they were smart enough tonight to be like, hey,
maybe we shouldn't have her adsb on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Don't put our stuff on radar, so he knows.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Yeah, because Jackson, Tennessee. You know, you get to keep
in mind now near Memphis. You know, Memphis is a
huge hub as far as aviation goes for FedEx. It
is a massive hub at Memphis International Airport also known
as km EM and so there is heavy air traffic
in and out of Memphis all the time. Now Jackson,
which is I don't know, probably some sixty miles northeast

(01:04:14):
of Memphis, Tennessee, you could easily fly as a law
enforcement helicopter, especially federal, without ADSB on. You know, for example,
like if you're flying as a military, military is not
required necessarily to turn on their ADSB, which shows where
they are to where you can as a civilian look
on your flight radar and see that helicopter flying over you.

(01:04:35):
They're not required to do that. They could fly all
day without ADSB as long as they are in direct
contact and communication with with air traffic control and so on.
But they often do turn on their ADSB, especially in
congested area. So if you're flying through say, for example, Greenville,
or if you're flying through Charlotte or that area, you
turn that on to help air traffic control to not

(01:04:56):
make their lives hell, because you know, they want to
be able to keep track of They're already busy as
hell with the shit they can see, and they're still
going to be able to see with or without ADS
beyond radar. But it's a safety factor. And we actually
saw that in Washington, d C. Where that passenger plane
I think it was the CRJ collided with the Blackhawk.

Speaker 4 (01:05:15):
That was when Nathan was in Washington, d C.

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Last year, And this was due to the fact the
poor communication on the Blackhawks end. There's military helicopters sound
like they had had similar close calls in that area anyway,
And oftentimes in that area, these are these units of
the army and these certain aviation units. They will either
fly VIPs or certain people like that, so oftentimes they

(01:05:39):
do not have their ADS beyond Oftentimes commercial aircraft cannot
see them unless it's through some kind of ta CAST system,
which is traffic avoidance system, and you don't usually get
that unless it's in certain scenarios. So I'm saying all
that to say this sounds it looks like I'm sure
that they're still flying actively right now, but you're not
seeing them on flight radar. They've likely turned on off

(01:06:00):
their ADSB. And it's more than likely also because they realize, hey,
when we quit flying last night, he exited Demard right,
all right. So to get back also to the people
that have been arrested in connection or the accessory after
the fact, do we think that they will talk, No,
because I mean, unless they want the same thing to
happen to them, they're not going to talk. And because

(01:06:21):
if they do talk, they're already an accessory. After the fact,
they're are already going to prison. Likely and I'm sure
I'm not saying for sure, but I'm sure that most
of these people have extensive criminal histories, rap sheets, you
name it. The fact that they're already connected in any
way to this with the accessory charge and conspiracy or whatever. Yeah,
they might be able to be doubtful, but if they

(01:06:43):
talk and they give information, they're done. They're one hundred
percent done, And so they might as well just go
to prison, because if they want to live, then they
go to prison. If they and don't say a damn word,
if they want to die, then they can just roll
over and say whatever the hell they want to. But
they're asked better be in Mexico or Canada or somewhere
for the rest of their life because eventually they will

(01:07:03):
get caught up to they will be found. And look,
these people that are in these situations, their entire livelihood
is this gang. They have nothing without the gang. So
what are they going to do? What are they going
to do if they go somewhere else, They're not going
to do anything. I mean, most people don't understand that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
These people.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
You know, how they make money is drugs and guns
and I mean crime.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
That's that's how they make money. They don't go and
work at Walmart, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:07:30):
I mean maybe some of them do, but a lot
of them are involved in drug trafficking and gun trafficking
and prostitution and you name it. So and they have
a livelihood there, you know, however bad it is. But
as soon as they leave that area, you know they're done.
So they have to be there. So no, they're not
going to talk and if I mean, unless they're just

(01:07:50):
completely moronic.

Speaker 4 (01:07:51):
I remember when.

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
Takashi six', nine you, know the, rapper the guy that
was LIKE i think He's Puerto rican or some, shit
but you, know he had a six nine tattoo on
his head he had to rainbow hair and all this. Shit,
well you, know being in the rap, gang the rap.
Game when he came To, america.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
He got you the guy that told on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
EVERYBODY i mean he was he was.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
About to go to prison for like forty plus years
and all this shit he rolled over on. Everybody, then you,
Know steve will Do it the YouTuber came out and
he started like hanging out With, takasha And takashi was
a piece of. Shit steve will Do it found out pretty.
Fast he stole money from, Him he did all this dumb,
Shit AND i was actually very surprised That steve will
Do it would even hang out with this, guy knowing

(01:08:31):
how many people wanted to kill. Him, Anyways but the
longer That takashi kind of hung out and and kind
of was, around you, know live everyday, life the MORE
i think he started realizing how much his life was at.
Risk they already caught him one time and beat the
shit out of. Him they, uh and this was just
maybe some. Randoms but HE i think is like living

(01:08:52):
In mexico, now like he just completely went. Away he's
Singing mexican music, now he does not even. Rapping he's
literally Singing spanish. Music so like he if if you
want to, know like you better have multi millions.

Speaker 4 (01:09:04):
Of dollars to be able to go create a new
life for.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Yourself because that's that's eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
What will, happen, Right so they're not going to tell on.
THEM i think the only thing good that's coming out
of these arrests is they're taking people off the plate
that are actually helping, him and hopefully sooner than, later
he's going to run out of associates that will be
willing to help.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Him.

Speaker 3 (01:09:24):
Yeah, well and the weird thing, is you, know you,
know according to these, VIDEOS i, mean he's by himself,
here he's you, know he's got these guns OR i
guess this.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
GUN i GUESS i should.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Say he's got a, backpack probably some, amo maybe some,
clothes some food items that. Backpack PROBABLY i would assume
someone gave him, some you, know some. Supplies but you,
know eventually he is going to get caught or he's
going to kill. HIMSELF i don't feel like this guy
is the type of guy that's going to kill.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
HIMSELF i.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
EITHER i don't think this was like a murder suicide.
Thing this was a thing that he felt like he
likely had to do because of whatever the hell.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
The kind of of situation was in this.

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Gang and so it'll be interesting to see what happens
With Austin. Drummond how long do we predict that it'll
be until they catch. HIM i will predict within the
next twenty four hours they catch.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Him he's been on the run for six, Days.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
Chad, yeah but last night four thirty am Lesa. Barn
he's not very. FAR i mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
He's probably on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Foot, yeah He's, oh he is on. FOOT i, mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
Well unless somebody somebody else is helping.

Speaker 3 (01:10:28):
Him but even, still he was In jackson last night
this morning at four thirty where he's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
From, so like you, said he's not going to probably
leave the.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Area, No so it's only a matter of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Time with all the federal assets and state and local
and everybody with drones and planes and, helicopters he is.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Not going to be around for very.

Speaker 3 (01:10:46):
Long and likely what's going to catch him is he's
going to make the mistake of trusting someone that he.
Shouldn't maybe if some of his associates don't, answer or
maybe they don't want to get, involved they don't want
to be in on this. Shit and maybe he feels
like he has to reach out to like the next
line of someone that he's got to get help, from
that's when it'll be that he's. Screwed so it'll be

(01:11:09):
interesting to. See we don't really have payphones, anymore so
you can't necessarily use a. Payphone he's going to have
to use some type.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
Of he has a burner, phone you, Say and can
they track a burner?

Speaker 3 (01:11:19):
Phone, YES i mean you can track cell phone. SIGNALS
i mean is but the only way you're going to
do that is if you're monitoring the other end of that.
Phone so if they're monitoring his known, associates right the
people that he's connected, to And i'm sure THE tbi
and THE fbi they have this board up right, now
the war, board and they're going to look at all
of his known. Associates they're going to then go and
track every single one of those, people whether you realize

(01:11:41):
it or, not whether they have warrants for this shit or,
not they'll do. This they'll track every single one of his.
Associates they're going to monitor those, phones any income and outgoing.
Call they're going to see if it's him or, not
if it is if it's a burner, phone.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
They can track.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
That but you have to geofensive phone based on a communication,
line and you.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
Can't just randomly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Poll you just can't randomly pull shit from out of
nowhere unless and, less he made some type of phone
car communication last night at the time he was at
the barn that they now know he was at this.
Barn they can then track that particular, phone even if
it's a burner, phone they can then track that wherever it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Goes but it's so interesting that they saw him at
four fifty this morning in this barn and they were
there again with the drones going.

Speaker 4 (01:12:23):
In, yeah but what time was that? Today, yeah like two? Pm,
yeah so they're way late to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
That so obviously it sounds like they would have likely
that's probably when they saw the surveillance.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
Footage And i'm as.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Because just like our surveillance, cameras we know when anybody's
near our, door near our, perimeter any of this, stuff
it'll notify. Us it'll tell us we can actually look
at the. Video i'm assuming this barn or wherever this
video came, from someone got. Notified they sent it to
someone and, say, hey look at this, person and that's
why they went to the barn at two.

Speaker 4 (01:12:56):
O'clock but obviously he had done moved on by. Right
but it does sound.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Like but he's got to be close in that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
Area, yeah he's definitely. Close it's only a matter of.
Time and so the question will be is will he plead.
Guilty i'm sure he probably will if he gets. Caught
will it go to?

Speaker 4 (01:13:09):
Court, no that's So i'm. SAYING i don't think. SO i,
MEAN i think he'll plead guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Likely because a gang member like, that he definitely does
not want to go to court and have to sit
through shit to where they're going to bring in other
people and. Witness you, know that's not going to. Happen
he will plead guilty if he gets. Caught probably the
plead deal will, be you, know no death, penalty life in,
prison life in, prison and that'll be that'll be. It

(01:13:34):
and then he'll live the rest of his life in prison.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
And playing, games playing, games probably getting. Drugs AND i
mean he literally Had facebook posts while he was in. Prison,
yeah like who does?

Speaker 3 (01:13:44):
That, well a lot of people actually, NOWADAYS i, mean you,
know we see people In South carolina prisons that are
On facebook and social media and they're changing their picture free,
me like instead of do you do you remember when
like people used to like post pictures of their family
members that went to prison or, something and they'd be
like Free thomas or. Whoever nowadays the prisoners just post

(01:14:08):
their own picture and say free. Me you, know it's
like how the hell are you posted On? Facebook and
they'll do videos and then playing cards at, night playing video.
GAME i, mean this is the ship that people do
in prison. Nowadays so it's just it's, crazy it. Is
and you, know even the crazier thing is Like Federal
prison is Like Club. Med you, know they always, say
like you go To federal, prison that's like the, Ship

(01:14:29):
like you've got nicer, facilities better.

Speaker 4 (01:14:31):
Food it's like as cool as. Hell you worry about.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Pizza he had vodka when he was celebrating getting. OUT
i mean he had basically anything and everything he wanted in.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Prison, YEAH i mean it's literally almost nowadays rewarding people
to do to do. Crime and so you look at
these people Like Austin drummond and like so many others
to where they get involved in this, gang they get,
it you, know in. Trouble they do all this crazy
shit you, know there's literally no incentive to stay in

(01:15:01):
out of, prison because out of, prison you're likely going
to be not making it as well as you do in.
Prison you're not going to have the same, comforts you're
not going to have the same power, structure you're not
gonna have all that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Shit and especially if you get a girlfriend that is
inside the, prison that works.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
There, yeah AND.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I don't even THINK i, Mean i'm sure probably so
many of them have. THAT i, mean that's that's what's.
Crazy and you also have to remember, Too it's, like for,
EXAMPLE i won't say to town or, anything but like
my mom just kind of moved to in the middle of.
Nowhere and in this middle of nowhere, town you, know
there's a. Prison guess, what every middle of nowhere town
you'll find. Prisons and SO i was in a grocery
store and there was these prison you know, guards there were.

(01:15:40):
Women there were like three or four of them that
were in, there and they were like the only people
in there because there's not very many people in this
town except for prison. Guards and so you, know you
think about it as, like for these, women who the
hell are they going to date in this? Town because
there's no one, Here SO i, mean it's basically got
to be the, PRISONERS i. GUESS i, mean AND i
think that's the problem is a lot of these, prisons
they're in the middle of nowhere and there's, nobody hardly

(01:16:03):
else there except for my mom for whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
Reason, well hopefully your mom does not ever want to
date it in.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Meats, yeah well hopefully. Not, NO i don't think. So but,
guys that's going to do it for this episode On.
Austin drummond will obviously update you as things come out
of anything crazy. Happens we'll make sure to let you.
Know we get a lot of good episodes coming. Out
LIKE i, SAID i want to talk about the nuclear
threat Between trump now and. Putin that's interesting because you,

(01:16:29):
know we talked about that When biden was in. Office
now you Have trump in. Office we thought that that
was going to be put the rest Once trump got.
In but there are some real. Threats there are pieces
of puzzles being put into place which can be.

Speaker 4 (01:16:41):
Dangerous but we're also.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
Going to talk about The amneyville horror story because that's
a very interesting. Story we were actually going to do
a very, coordinated kind of produced piece on, this BUT
i think it's going to be better to talk about,
it go through the story of, this and we're excited about.
That we're going to try to get out another. Episode
but we do have the sheriff election night. Tomorrow Hopefully

(01:17:05):
nick gets, it but we'll. See it's not gonna be decided,
tomorrow but it is the runoff and there will be
a top two candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Tomorrow so BUT i do want to send out prayers
to all the. Families could you imagine like three family
members were, related you, know and then the boyfriend and
that's so, hard and now this baby is left with no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:23):
Parents, yeah and by the, way we you, KNOW i
do want to preface and say that we don't, know
like you, know exactly what. Happened we don't know if they're,
involved we don't know if they were re coordinating with.

Speaker 4 (01:17:31):
It we have no.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Idea they could absolutely be innocent, completely but either, way
nobody deserves to die like. THAT i, mean and it
doesn't matter what they may or may not have been involved.

Speaker 4 (01:17:42):
In we just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
Know is speculation on our, part you, know for someone
to do something like that and, listen it could just
be The Austin drummond is, psycho which obviously it sounds
like he, is but like what would make him or
drive him to, that and it could have been something so.
Dumb you, know there are people that kill lots to
people for stupid ass reasons all the. Time so we
don't know what this situation with the victims were or,

(01:18:07):
was and so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:09):
Keep them keeping out the.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Families, yeah keep those families in your. Prayers, guys we'll
be back very very. Soon make sure you go follow
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Speaker 4 (01:18:24):
Com check that. Out until next, time we love you.
Guys peace, out peace. Out you've gotten to me and
that's my.

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Away i'm going, on.

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And comes around and on the.

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