Space Force Huntsville: UFO Disclosure, MH370 Mystery & The Hidden Agenda w/ Ashton Forbes

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Speaker 4 (00:32):
Hello, and welcome back to Investigator with Podcast.

Speaker 5 (00:34):
I'm your host Shadow alongside my beautiful wife Sherry. On
tonight's episode, we're joined by Ashton Forbes, the independent researcher
who has been digging deep into one of the greatest
aviation mysteries of our time, that is Malaysia Airlines Flight
m AS three seventy. Ashton has put for groundbreaking theories
on zero point energy and the possibility that the plane
was literally zapped out of the sky by advanced orb

(00:56):
technology tech. He believes that could tie back to her
own government. We'll also get into Donald Trump's latest announcement
about moving Space Force headquarters from Colorado to Huntsville, Alabama,
and what that means for America's role in space. You
don't want to miss this one, guys, Welcome to the show.
It is September the fourth, twenty twenty five. Ashton, welcome back, brother,

(01:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
For having me back. Chad and Sherry. Good to talk
to you.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, it's very very good. I think the last time
you were on was June the fifth. June June fifth,
And first, I guess I got to ask you what
have you been up to since June the fifth? I mean,
we follow a lot of what you do, but man,
you're always into something new.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yeah, there's always something new. And now it's nukes. It's
all about nuclear weapons and fusion now is that you know?
You guys known me from the Mage three seven zero videos,
the orb guy Ashton for orbs, and I've been digging
into how these plasma orbs were developed and what they
what can they do, and it's all led back to

(01:58):
nuclear weapons. It's led back to fusion technology and even
some of the fusion companies that are actually currently like
breaking through right now and getting ready to have commercial
public reactors. So I'm pretty excited to give you guys
some new updates here tonight.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:16):
So obviously there's been a lot of talk, especially after
Donald Trump recently just announced that Space Force Headquarters is
going to be moving from Colorado into Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
And actually it was pretty funny. Ashton.

Speaker 5 (02:28):
I saw a meme today and someone said, great, can't wait,
We're going to have rocket scientists from Alabama.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
I thought that was kind of funny.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
Not gonna lie, but I did just want to briefly
talk about Huntsville, Alabama, because for those that do not
know anything about it, it does have a history. It
was known as Rocket City Early Foundations nineteen forties to
nineteen fifties World War II legacy. Redstone Arsenal, outside of
Huntsville was originally built in nineteen forty one as a
chemical munitions plant, and then after war it became available

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for military research. Then you think about Operation paper Clip.
In nineteen forty five, the United States brought over more
than one hundred German rocket scientists aka Nazis and engineers,
led by doctor Warner vron Braun, who had developed a
V two rocket for Nazi Germany. They were first stationed
at Fort Bliss, Texas, and then White Sands, New Mexico,
before moving too Huntsville in nineteen fifty and then the

(03:23):
Army Ballistic Missile Agency are also known as ABBA at
Redstone Arsenal von Braun's team developed the Redstone rocket, America's
first large ballistic missile. The rocket became the basis for
early US space launchers, and then obviously the birth of
the space program nineteen fifties to the sixties. You had
to explore one, which was in nineteen fifty eight, that

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was von Braun's team launched America's first satellite into orbit
using the Juno one rocket, which was modified at Redstone.
And this was the US's answer to the Soviet Union Sputnik.
And in NASA founded in nineteen fifty eight, the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration was created, and then by nineteen sixty,
von Braun's group was transformed from the Army to NASA.

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And then you have Marshall Space Flight Center also known
as MSFC, establishing Huntsville in nineteen sixty, named after General
George C. Marshall, It became the lead NASA center for
rocket propulsion and large launch vehicles. And then you think
about the Saturn rockets. Von Braun and his team designed
the Saturn one, Saturn one B, and Saturn V rockets
of MSFC. The Saturn V was the most powerful rocket

(04:26):
ever built and launched every Apollo mission to the quote
unquote Moon. So then you think about the Apollo era,
the sixties to seventies, key figures. Warner von Braun, the director,
He is often called the father of the American space program,
and so that was obviously Warner von Braun was a
very contentious I guess pick from Germany, you know, kind

(04:47):
of during World War Two there was essentially a race
for scientists from Germany. We wanted to try to get
as many nuclear slash rocket scientists from Germany. After World
War Two, I know, Russia was also to get those
same scientists. Many of these were from Nazi Germany and ashen,
do you believe, you know, Huntsville, Alabama being it? Do

(05:08):
you think obviously this is the kind of foundation of
the NASA program.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
Why is it so such.

Speaker 5 (05:15):
A big move that we're moving out of Colorado back
to Huntsville And you know, most people hear a space force,
but like what do they actually do?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, I mean that's a big question. Why is space
Force going to be in Huntsville, Aabama? Which, by the way,
we're renaming it. Technically they like to call it Rocket City,
but that's a little bit outdated. In twenty twenty five.
So we're going to call it Space Juice City. Space
Juice City, that's what we're calling zero point energy because
we need something easy for you to be able to understand.
Zero point energy just too complicated. It's just space juice. Right.

(05:44):
If you want to think about what's the source of
all this energy that these UFOs are flying around it,
it's space juice. So what is Huntsville, Alabama going to be? Huntsvill,
Aabama's going to be space Juice City. And what happens
at Space Juice City. Well, you've got NASA Marshall Space
Flight Center where they work on fusion propulsion. You've got
all all the defense contractors have like places out there,
including L three Harris and Lockheed Martin. And then you've

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got this huge military based Redstone Arsenal as well, which
is actually where Tom Bearden, the guy that would like
popularized scaler physics in the eighties, Lieutenant Colonel Tom Bearden,
was also based out of Huntsville, Alabama at Redstone Arsenal.
So the story goes, mythology goes, this is where they
potentially developed anti gravitational technology. So if you're looking for

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disclosure from a technology perspective, this would be the location
where it could come from. So I think it's really
amazing that space Force is going back there, because you wonder,
what does space force do. Well, what if we decided
that the anti gravitational technology or whatever, or the quantum technologies,
whatever we're going to end up calling them. What if
we decided like, that's under the purview of space force,

(06:50):
because space force takes care of the space. So I
think it's a pretty significant move and I definitely look
forward to seeing, you know, if this leads to any
form of disclosure of some of these advanced technologies. The
other thing I want to say is that when I've
dug into this, I've been trying to figure out what's
the history of this technology? How far back does it go?
You're right on the mark. It goes back to the Nazis,

(07:10):
may people. We've brought this up. It's not just a
conspiracy theory. Project paper Clip was real. One of the
scientists that came over from Project paper Clip was fried
Wart Winterberg, and he's one of the authors of those dirds.
Those are defense intelligence reference documents. The most important scientific
papers that I talk about all the time. Hal Putoff
is the one who commissioned them through the Defense Intelligence Agency,

(07:32):
and their paper is about negative mass propulsion, which is
basically warp drives. There is one literally about warp drives
and extra dimensions, another one about traversible wormholes, ones about
extracting quantum energy. There's ones about magneto hydrodynamic air breathing
magneto hydrodynamics, which is pretty much how do you make
your plasma fly through the air? And so Frier Winterberg

(07:56):
was one of these project paper Clip scientists. I decided
to read his textbook that's uh, I believe the exact
name is like the Principles of Thermonuclear Detonations or Explosions,
because I wanted to learn about nukes. And on page one,
actually right on the cover, right on the cover of
the book, it's got a picture of a nuke going
off the bottom right corner. It says, inertial confinement fusion

(08:20):
is the secret to unlimited green energy for the world.
Right there on the top right right on the cover,
as in the introduction says right there is the forward
says that inertial confinement fusion is the secret. Turns out
that we classified it because it was part of thermonuclear weapons,
and if we had unclassified it, potentially we would have
fusion energy right now. And this is what freed Wart

(08:43):
Winnerberg's apparently his whole life was for this. He's one
of the experts in inertial confinement fusion. And I was
just talking to a guy right before this actually that
went to his house. Uh. He passed away a couple
of years ago, I want to say, and his daughter
gave them permission to go through all the notes. He
scanned as much as he could. Apparently Fribert Winterberg was

(09:06):
he wanted this stuff to come out, and he ended
up losing his clearance because of some of the stuff
that he was saying and doing equations and actual numbers,
which is the thing that they don't really want you
to do. And he ended up getting a lower level
clearance back, and then he even got that revoke later on,
and they ended up ransacking his desk and office to
see if he was like posting or writing anything that

(09:26):
was potentially classified related to nukes. But this is a
guy that's relatively unknown, So I'm trying to get this
guy's name out there so people realize that he deserves
a lot more credit and most of his work has
probably been classified over the years. But what I think
is going on is that they figured out fusion a
long time ago. They figured out related to nukes, and
they use the Project paper Clip scientists to figure that out,

(09:48):
and this is the reason why we haven't seen a
video of a nuke since nineteen sixty one.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, well, I mean, have you ever thought about I mean,
obviously in the UFO space, everybody has wondered why Germany,
Nazi Germany was so far advanced for their time, and
the fact that the United States after World War Two
was rushing to get the scientists over, which is literally
how we founded NASA, was you know, Warner bron Braun.
But like, why was Germany so advanced? Do we have

(10:13):
any clue as anything that you've read point to any
reason why they were more advanced than the rest of
the world at that time.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
I don't know about why, but I can tell you
that the stories are that they had like the diglock,
and this was supposedly like one of the first UFO
craft that was produced. I think there was a lot
of I don't know if like pagan or satanic kind
of like you know, stuff that they were also into
the lore around that I leave to others. But the
die glock aspect, the story goes they were using spinning mercury.

(10:44):
Now this is interesting because metals can actually be considered
a plasma because their electrons are so free. The electrons
move around relatively easily in metals. So actually metals are
closely related to plasma, even though it doesn't seem like it,
because metal seems really solid object, and you can actually
change your if you change the frequency of your plasma waves,

(11:07):
you can actually make it either transparent or more metallic solid,
depending on your the frequency the higher lower frequency that
you potentially hit if you hit the right residence or
what have you. And so if this is the case,
they may have been using like spinning mercury to produce
anti gravitational effects. That's how the story goes, Well, what
if we got rid of the digloqu and now we

(11:28):
just have our spinning ball of mercury. That could explain
why people were seeing or are seen right now, orbs
that seem like they're made out of metal, or maybe
when they when they are no longer running, they become
you know, like a metal ball for example.

Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, something that can almost kind of transform.

Speaker 5 (11:44):
Well, last night we had Bart cybrell On and obviously
Bart Sibrel write the book moon Man, and he's one
of the big guys that has exposed what he believes.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
To be a fake moon landing.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
And one of the things that I asked him last night,
even though he didn't necessarily follow them three seventy topic
or discussion, but you know what he kind of went
back to was and I know this is like you said,
you leave this stuff for other people, but you think
about the Watchers, the Book of Enoch, the Fallen Angels,
all this stuff that allegedly they had taught to people

(12:16):
at one point in time, which was you know, biblically,
that's kind of why the flood potentially happened. Was the
mix between the fallen Angels, the two hundred plus fallen
Angels then you know, took human women and sex with
them created the Nephlim, the offspring those Nephlim also gave
them advanced I guess you could say advanced technology back then.
But it's interesting you said that about Germany because you know,

(12:38):
if this pagan slash satanic type maybe worship or I
guess dabbling into that, what if they.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Were contacted by some of these orbs UFO things.

Speaker 5 (12:51):
And the more we've talked about it over the years,
the more I think that, you know, and a lot
of people said this, the more I think that the
UFO technology is not necessarily little green men from other planets,
but some type of technology we've been given from that
spiritual interdimensional realm. And I think even with a lot
of what you research ashen as far as being able

(13:12):
to cross planes or wormholes or any of this stuff,
could there could could those things? Could these evil spirits?
Could these spirits in general exist in those planes?

Speaker 2 (13:26):
If that makes sense, That's a good question. And I
was actually just talking to his great researcher named Jared Yates.
He's part of this APEX. It's called it's an Alternate
Propulsion Engineering Conference, I think, is what it stands for.
Guys can check out their videos. He did a really
good deep dive on the TR three B that I reviewed,
and it includes some of this this Nazi stuff as well.

(13:49):
And what he and I were actually just kind of
debating discussing was like the temporal problem, as Luel Zondo
puts it, which is even if we can you know
date when they would have been able to verse engineer this,
and both he and I both are in the same
kind of ballpark where we're thinking between like the eighties
and two thousands, when they would have started to really
have major material science advancements where they could we could

(14:10):
produce some stuff that looks like alien craft, but you
can't really explain stuff like the Foo Fighters in like
the twenties, Like how do you explain that you know
so and so? There are a lot of different ways
to answer the question. You could say, Okay, it's aliens
in the past. You could say that we can figure
out time travel and then we ended up going to
the past. And then now you can also say, some

(14:30):
of the narratives that are currently brewing that you kind
of just spoke to, is this whole interdimensional aspect. And
I think the real thing that we have to demystify
right away is what does interdimensional even mean? Okay, so
I'm going to tell you my I'll tell you what
my heart tells me, and then I'll also tell you
what my brain says as well. My heart tells me.
I don't really know. Basically, everything's on the table. You

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could have multiple universes where we have multi dimensional travel
where you can go to a different universe that's similar
to us except for their differences, kind of like Rick
and Morty if people are familiar with that TV show,
So that would be like, if there really is a multiverse,
then almost everything is possible. Everything is possible, and there's
a universe where everything is happening. That's what I want
to be true. My brain, though, tells me that it's

(15:16):
a lot simpler than that. My brain tells me there's
no retro causality, there's no going back in time. There's
only one reality, and there is technically an extra dimension,
but it's not a place you go and visit and
hang out in. The extra dimension is a shortcut. The
extra dimension is the nothingness, the true emptiness of space time,
and that all space time as we see it, is

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like the paint spread across that canvas, And the only
reason why distance exists at all is because of that
zero point energy that paint that we're spreading across that canvas.
And so the extra dimension would be if you remove
that zero point energy, displace yourself from this space time,
you're temporarily not in this space time anymore. But just
like in that make Street seven zero videos that plane

(15:57):
shows up somewhere else. So that would mean you can
just appear anywhere you want because you're outside of our
current dimensions in that brief instant when which that happens,
but you will be pulled right back. That's the trick. So,
in my opinion, the idea of extra dimensional aliens is
not these aliens from the Bizarro dimension. It's just that

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they're from somewhere else in this perceivable universe and they
have the ability to essentially jump through a portal or
to skip through space. The correct way to really think
of it would be to think of it as removing
the barrier. It's an invisible barrier that we don't see
between where you're sitting right now where I'm sitting. And
if you want to understand this, just think of it
in terms of pressure. Work is the removal of removal

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of resistance. So if I remove the pressure of a balloon,
it's going to expand. Seems counterintuitive, but that would happen.
And if you want to understand it better, imagine that
you're leaning on me, You're leaning up against me. The
reason why I don't move is because there's a force
hold it pushing back against you. Now, if I were
to move move out of the way, they'll remove the resistance.
You're going to go flying right because you're pushing up

(17:04):
against me. That's the same idea as removing the zero
point energy. The zero point energy is the barrier between
where you are and where I'm at. It is the
thing that causes that inertia. So if you remove that resistance,
even for a brief moment, you've now jumped dimensions, but
technically you're still really and you're going to come back
to this same dimension again. So that's what my brain

(17:26):
tells you to you guys, according to the physics.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
So this guy that you talked to tonight, apet guy
with the alternate propulsion your engineering conference, what what what
kind of led you to this guy and what was
the purpose of your conversation because I know that you
said that he didn't necessarily want to go public one percent,
But you know what was what was your conversation about
and what did it kind of lead you to?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
What even led you to reach out or vice versa?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well, I mean I wanted to have him call my
podcast because of the TR three B research that I
thought had a lot of crossover, and I think that
the reality is like the MGH three sevens zero videos
are still very controversial. I mean, you know, there's probably
a lot of people listening right now or oh they've
been debunked a million times. Well, sorry to tell you,
but the videos are definitely one hundred percent real. You
can believe whatever you want. Event it's going to take

(18:12):
a while, but people are going to start to wake
up to it. But they're very controversial and there's pretty
heated opinions on both sides, and so I think in general,
people are worried about, you know, are people going to
attack them if they have a certain opinion, or you know,
just the social pressures of those types of things. But
he was happy to talk to me. We had a
very cordial conversation. I've known about him because I had

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seen him work with Tim Ventura, who's also with APEC,
and they went to Fridbert Winterberg's house when I first
learned about the guy, and so I had known about
them then. But I've also watched a lot of these
presentations because I truly believe that the APEC presentations are
kind of where some of these let's say, like you know,
the anti gravity, free energy stuff gets shown where probably

(18:55):
you know, the intelligence agencies are watching and seeing what
these guys are doing because they're essentially the people the
closest to figuring out free energy and all this stuff
from the public realm on the non classified side. So
I always enjoy listening to the presentations that those guys
are doing because it's it's always very heavy on the
on the science and the physics and not super into

(19:16):
the WU although there are you know, stuff about consciousness
and things like that that they talk about too.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Yeah, and I do want to play a video real quick.

Speaker 5 (19:22):
And this is a video and we can break it
down and talk about it after the fact, but this
is essentially a video where this woman and tell me
who this person is right.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now, let me sign it up for you because I
think you're gonna play the Amy Eskridge video. Yes, and
Amy Eskridge was highly connected to all the APEC guys.
And her dad is Richard Eskridge of NASA Marshall Space
Flight space Flight Center, which is the place we were
talking about in Huntsville, Alabama just a second ago, and
he's worked on fusion plasma plasmoid fusion propulsion. You guys

(19:54):
can look up his papers out there. In fact, her dad,
Richard Eskridge, worked closely with John Slow, who is now
he was the founder, one of the co founders of
helia in Fusion, which is now getting huge funding from
Peter Thiel, Sam Altman and some other big names out there.
So keep an eye on that one. But Amy Eskridge,

(20:16):
she started a institute that essentially from her own words.
I think the clip will also set show this. She
wanted to get anti gravity out to the world. It's
not really anti gravity, she calls a gravity modification, but
she wanted to get this out to the world. And
what happened a few years ago she had passed away.
There is some conspiracy theories about whether or not she

(20:37):
was taken out versus if she committed suicide. And I'll
just tell you my personal opinion is that I've been
told by several people that it was not a suicide,
but I don't have any reason to know hard evidence
or anything to say otherwise. I know that her family
is officially doesn't want people talking about it, and you know,
says it was a suicide or what have you. But

(20:59):
you got to near conclusions on that front. So What
happened though, was after this all occurred. I was researching
her a couple of years ago, but I think soon
after that Zerovida this stuff happened. And then another APEC
person named Jeremy Reese leaked a video that he had
a meeting with her and Mark Sokele, who is I

(21:20):
believe one of her ex boyfriends or maybe a current
boyfriend at the time, not sure. And in this whole conversation,
she's obviously drunk, maybe doing some other stuff as well.
I don't know if she knew the whole thing was recorded.
I don't think she expected it, you know, to be
released after her death or what have you. But in
this video, she makes a lot of claims, and she
is naming people's names that work on some of these

(21:41):
supposedly black projects. She's talking about people like how Puodolf
Lula Alzando literally says how Putoff is evil, like an
evil old man, but a nice old man that's like
an evil guy, talking about how unification of gravity and
electromagnetism has been solved like five different times and it
just gets suppressed every time, and how like supposedly she's
being told that she's going to be the one who's

(22:03):
allowed to do it. And then at the same time,
she's saying, half the people are telling me that I'm
going to be allowed to do it, and the other
half the people are saying, like, didn't we tell her
that we're gonna kill her? Like, didn't we tell this
bitch that we're gonna kill her? She literally says this
in the thing. So I'm watching this as somebody who's
just fresh into the whole anti gravity conspiracy, and I'm going,

(22:23):
holy crap, like this she's dead now, and like she
was saying all this, So I just start clipping it
all up and I made like three or four clips
and they basically all went viral. People still post them
every few months, and I can tell the rip for
me because of the old caption style that I used
to do. But I'm happy to get her word out
because I truthfully believe, even if you don't believe everything

(22:44):
she says, based on who her dad was, based on
where she was living, stuff that she was connected to,
I think that she absolutely was exposed to advance technology.
And you can just imagine the mental toll this would
have on, especially a younger person rose up in this
environment where you realize, like the whole world is fake
and everybody's just oblivious to it. I just imagine the

(23:07):
psychological toll that has on someone. So whatever happened to
where it's tragic either way, and I think that her
memory lives on and her spirit lives on with us.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Yeah, we'll play the video right now.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
Here is Amy Eskridge on Huntsville, Alabama and talking about
some other things.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
Listen, disclosure is going to come out of Huntsville, Alabama,
out of red Stone Arsenal. Red Stone Arsenal in Huntsville,
Alabama is the biggest fucking deal that you've never heard of.
It's the biggest fucking deal that you have never heard
of because the fact is that we have deep and wide,

(23:43):
extensive credibility that no one knows about because you're not
supposed to know about it because it's in Alabama.

Speaker 7 (23:50):
It's obscure.

Speaker 6 (23:51):
You're not supposed to know about it.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's the point.

Speaker 7 (23:54):
I know what Huntsville is.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Amy still know what Huntsville is. That what you're saying,
people don't know what Huntsville is. Huntsville is the biggest
fucking deal on the planet that you have never heard of. Now,
like Huntsville is the Silicon Valley of government, national security,
technology and intelligence, community technology, and aerospace technology. Huntsville is
like the hub. Like we are number three on the

(24:21):
first strike launch list. If first strike happens three targets,
Huntsville will be one of them. Ala fucking Batman, Ala
fucking Bama. This is Alabama, dude, in the Deep South.
We're in the top three first strike. We're in the
top three first strike because you haven't heard of us.

(24:42):
That's why it's on purpose. I started the Institute for
one reason. One reason the institute. I started it as
a public facing persona to disclose anti gravity technology through
because I told Mark this, if you stick your neck

(25:02):
out in public, at least someone notices.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
If your head gets chopped off.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
If you stick your neck out in private, fuck you,
they will bury you. They will burn down your house
while you're sleeping in your bed, and it won't even
make the news.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
There you go. And so that's essentially what he's talking
about Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 5 (25:20):
Which, by the way, Ashton, I'm glad that you are
public facing at least because you know, and this is
like it is so many times we hear about stuff
like this to where she's literally saying, like the reason
why I came public to this is that I didn't
want my head chopped off.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
But maybe that is possibly what happened. I mean, what
was her what was her thing?

Speaker 8 (25:43):
Like?

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Why was she in Huntsville, Alabama? You might have talked
about this a little bit, but like who is she?
I know you had talked about her dad or her
dad kind of had a big role as well, but
like what is her importance to zero gravity or just
her research? Was she a government contractor? Was Amy Eskridge?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Yeah? I don't know exactly about her, what kind of
contracts she had, but she was a polyci so she
was like chemistry, biology, and then I think she went
to go get her masters and maybe PhD after that.
In terms of what she was trying to do, she
started that institute and did several presentations, like with her dad,
So it definitely seemed like she was kind of groomed

(26:23):
for that life, that science life, and that probably because
her dad was on the inside, you know, and Huntsville, Alabama.
As she says, it's not even just rockets, it's intelligence
and surveillance equipment too, Like all the defense contractors have
major presences out there, and that's why they're putting space
force there, because it's gonna be next to all those
things as well. She was going to reveal anti gravity

(26:47):
a scientific paper about anti gravity, and it never got
published for people who are wondering, so we don't even
really know all about that either. But anti gravity in general,
I think is a misnomer because really what causes gravity
is the space time distortions, which even Einstein agreed with
that the gravity is the bending the curvature of space time.

(27:07):
But it's a little more complex than that. It's just
actually the manipulation of the zero point energy in a
certain region of space time. So it's it really is
exactly as we perceive it. There's nothing wrong with how
we perceive gravity, but you don't anti the gravity. Gravity
is just a pressure force. It's simply a pressure force.
So how do you make an anti pressure force. You
just make a pressure force in the other way, other direction.

(27:29):
So like anti gravity, it's a misnomer. It would be
like trying to say that a balloon is anti gravity
because the balloon goes up. No, that's not exactly it, right,
It's a little bit more complicated than that. And that's
why I think she spoke to it in terms of
gravity modification, and that's why you hear me talk about
it in terms of gravity manipulation or gravity modification as well.
Is that we really have to think about it and

(27:50):
talk about it in the right way if we want
to have you know, PhD physicists and academics take us
seriously because if you say it and though in the
type of way where it's like, oh, gating, I'm shielding
the gravity, well not really, You're just making a counterforce
to whatever the forces that we are currently feeling of
gravity on a specific location. And then with respect to

(28:11):
what happened with her, I'm I'm not going to go
into exact details, but I'll say that she made several
videos about claiming that she was being attacked by directed
energy weapons. And this is the part where it's hard
to figure out, you know, what's the true story behind it,
because again, the psychological aspect of knowing about these kinds
of technologies, You're like, Okay, you know they've got directed
energy weapons and the public has no idea, So could

(28:34):
you think that you're being attacked by one when you're not. Yeah, maybe,
but you can also really be being attacked by one
or being threatened or what have you. So I don't
really know on that. I know that she was definitely
troubled by that type of stuff. So if she decided
to take her own life what have you, or if
something happened. I mean I could see either scenario being
completely realistic. I mean even you could even say that

(28:55):
her dad would cover it up because of her position.
You know, he would know the situation where it's like, sorry,
it had to happen, you got to deal with it.
I mean, it's probably crazy for fathers out there to
think about that, but this is the true nature of
the world of these black projects that we live in
is you know, I personally believe that it is the
power source of UFOs of anti gravity has to be

(29:17):
nuclear power, which means that it's related to nuclear weapons
and nuclear weapons. You know, releasing nuclear weapons secrets is
punishable by the death penalty. So I wouldn't be surprised
at all if people have even NDAs that have these
clauses in them that like you can't say anything. It's
not that we're going to come after you civilly, like
we can put you in the ground.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, Yeah, that's that's so interesting, and it's almost like,
you know, Huntsville, Alabama is going to be the next
area fifty one.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
I do want to play this quick clip.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
This was the actual Trump announcement just the other day
about Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Uh, listen.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Very much.

Speaker 8 (29:51):
It's a very important day and an important announcement with
great friends of mine. I think I can say this
group is every one of them I rate a ten.
I can't always say that even if they're Republicans, and
these are Republicans, great Republicans. I want to thank you
all for being here for this important announcement seven years.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
In the making. As you know, this has been going
on for a.

Speaker 8 (30:13):
Long period of time, and I am thrilled to report
that the US Space Command Headquarters will move to the
beautiful locale of a place called Huntsville, Alabama, forever to
be known from this point forward as Rocket City. Okay,

(30:33):
so Huntsville, Alabama.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
We love Alabama.

Speaker 8 (30:37):
I only want it by about forty seven points. I
don't think that influenced my decision though, right, that didn't, right,
But we had a lot of competition for this, and
Alabama is getting it. Huntsville in particular, So congratulations everybody, Katie, congratulations.
This will result in more than thirty thousand Alabama jobs

(30:58):
and probably much more than that, and hundreds of millions
of dollars of investment. And that's billions, because it can't
be millions, it's billions and billions of dollars. Most importantly,
this decision will help America defend and dominate the high frontier,
as they call it. I want to thank Secretary Pete Hegseth.
He's doing a fantastic job. And Secretary of the Air

(31:19):
Force Troy, make Troy, thank you.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
And so they wanted to make this, you know, obviously
very public. This was a huge move by Space Force,
which Donald Trump created, you know, and as we've already
talked about, like what the hell does Space Force do?
I mean, are they guarding space? Are they utilizing weapons
in space? Which obviously for so many people believe that,
you know, the forefront of the battle when it comes

(31:45):
to nuclear war would.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Be in space, right, Ashton, is that kind of how
you see this?

Speaker 2 (31:50):
Heck, we were even saying that back at the Star
Wars initiative with that SDI back in Reagan days, like
that was actually what the nuclear physicists that were like
on the Manhattan Project saying is they were trying to
put nuke lasers in space like that, they were actually
trying to use nuclear fusion lasers. So they were going
to create a fusion ignition and then focus it and

(32:11):
then have beam it onto people like that was the
conceptual view. Now publicly, the way the story goes is
it didn't go very well or what have you. That
never really worked out. But if you actually look at
like how geopolitics played out, like we didn't, the Cold
War just kind of ended and the Soviet Union just
fell apart. I completely fell apart. So one of the

(32:32):
things I've been wondering lately is like, what if we
figured out from fusion bombs in the sixties and then
you know, the Cold War in the seventies, What if
we figured out space time manipulation and we just won
the Cold War? We like quietly won the Cold War
because Russia had no chance once we had you know,
teleportation technology, directed energy weapons, and then we've been you know,

(32:54):
basically hiding it and controlling the world basically ever since.
That's just one thought. I but I do want to
go back real quick to the something Amy said about uh,
Space Juice City Huntsville, Alabama, which is third on the
first strike list. What the hell, you guys know what
that means. That means out of all the places on
the country that are gonna get hit by Russia's nukes

(33:15):
or China's nukes or whatever, Huntsville is number three. I
mean DC is number one, So I don't know what
number two is, but Huntsville, Huntsville, Alabama is number three. Yeah.
Well was because that's where Space Forces as where Lockey
Martin's manufacturing facilities are at. That's where we've got our
intelligence and research and development at. So, like, just think
about how significant that is.

Speaker 7 (33:36):
I always number three. Two was Colorado, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
I mean Colorado might be number two.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (33:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
And there's a lot of stuff in Colorado, right, I
mean there's a lot of.

Speaker 7 (33:45):
Underground stuff and mountains and all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 5 (33:48):
Yeah, but you know, I'm sure Huntsville is about to
be moved up to probably number two after the you know,
after the announcement of Space Force going to Huntsville, Alabama.
But I wanted to briefly talk about Amy Askridge and
microwave direct energy weapons because I think this is something
that most people don't understand.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
What are direct energy weapons?

Speaker 5 (34:05):
I mean, number one, they're essentially systems that emit highly
focused energy, right, so in the form of microwaves, lasers,
particle beams, and they usually use these to disable damage
or kill targets. So you're talking about like high energy
lasers for example, used to blind sensors, drones, takedown missiles.
Then you got the hpm's or the high power microwaves

(34:28):
burst of microwave radiation that can disrupt electronics. But then
you think about Havana syndrome, which is kind of what
Amy had hinted on before.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
And what Havana syndrome is.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
It started in twenty sixteen that we know of anyway,
and that was when US diplomats and CI officers in Havana,
Cuba reported sudden symptoms dizziness, headaches, nausea, memory loss, vision,
hearing problems, and they felt like it was a directional
sound or pressure sensation that was being utilized on these officers.
Cases have since been reported in China, Russia, Europe, Washington, DC,

(34:59):
and other local and hundreds of US officials are now
believed to have experienced it, and they're thinking that they
believe it could be caused by a high powered microwave
weapon aimed at individuals, where a microwave exposure can cause
the auditory phenomenon known as free effect, where victims perceive
clicking or buzzing sounds without external noise whatsoever. And then

(35:21):
it gets into the sonic weapon deal to where originally speculated,
but acoustic science shows that the audible sound alone likely
couldn't cause brain injuries reported, but some intelligence reports suggests
a psychological component, though the theory doesn't explain brain injury
evidence in medical scans. But did you ever hear Ashton
also about and maybe you can break this down from

(35:41):
a science.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Perspective where I guess you can say.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
When Tucker Carlson went on and he went on many
podcasts he talked about he knew of probably two or
three hundred at least military members that had experienced or
came close to these orb type of things, whether or
they were UFOs UAPs. They often describe them as UFOs UAPs.
But whenever they would get near these things in battle,
usually because they would often show up in Afghanistan or

(36:08):
Iraq or whatever, and they would come close to these,
they would have massive and traumatic brain injuries. Some of
them died, some of them just were complete vegetables for
the rest of their life. The government was not willing
to pay their families or get them any actual VA
care because of what they actually experienced.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
If you let's go back to m A S.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
Three seventy for a second and say that we're around
these orbs, right, these orbs that we see in the
videos of MA S three seventy, or even just the
concept of the anti gravity propulsion or zero point energy,
would that as a human being, if you got near
something like that when it's active, how would that affect
you physically? Or would it I mean does it emit

(36:50):
radiation in a.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Way or energy?

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, I mean nuclear reactions emit neutrons, which are extremely damaging.
And the type of fusion that they're trying to work
as a neutronic fusion, which would be like a clean,
non damaging fusion that doesn't release neutrons. Neutrons are generally
where the heat is coming out of as well. So
when we think of nuclear energy, generally, what we're really
talking about is heating up water and then boiling it

(37:17):
and having to make steam and then spinning the turbine,
and the reason why heats up is the neutrons. The
neutrons cause the heat. So an a neutronic fusion reaction
then would be one in which you have minimum number
of neutrons, not very much heat potentially wouldn't be that
much damaging. But there's another aspect too, is that you're
gonna potentially have radiation coming off in the form of
X rays, So you might have X rays being released.

(37:39):
In fact, that's what I think is happening with those
weird dark lines before and after the orbs, is that
those are the axial jets in the plasma. So axial
jets meaning like the Earth. So you imagine the Earth,
You've got the poles in the Earth, and so at
the top and the bottom you've got these X rays
beaming out. You don't want X ray stooing at you,
just like you don't want to go to the radiology

(38:00):
then without the lead vest right and get your chest
X ray done. So I think it could be very damaging.
I absolutely believe I HAVANTASYMTOM is real because the science
of scaler physics and all this stuff is absolutely real
as well. And that means that our veterans just like
you mentioned our service members, they don't have a diagnosis

(38:20):
code with which to get accurate care because they've got
these conditions. But everything you order in healthcare, that's actually
my normal job is healthcare. You have to have a
diagnosis code for why you're ordering that, why you're doing that,
so that we know it's real appropriate care for a
human being. But if you don't have a diagnosis code,
then how can you treat somebody? How can you say,

(38:40):
this is the thing that we have to do for them,
this is the diagnostic we have to perform. And then
how is this working? How does this function? People believe
a directed energy weapon is just like me shooting a
laser at something, which technically true, but they've been able
to take it to the next level where a scaler
beam would be, where we take two waves and we

(39:02):
perfectly have them out of phase so that if they
were to overlap, they perfectly cancel out. Normal conventional physics say, well,
if you do that, there's nothing there. You've canceled out
your two waves, there's nothing left. But that's not really true.
And the concept of the zero point energy and the
concept of this ether space time energy around us. Yes,

(39:23):
you've canceled your waves out, but now you still have
the ripple effects of the medium itself that you created
when you created the waves. There's still this component, this
scaler component. This is what was thrown out of Maxwell's
equations when they reduce them. This is why you hear
people talk about Maxwell's equations being incorrectly reduced, is they
throughout this scaler component, this ripple in the medium. So

(39:44):
when you create this beam that cancels out and you
can use a like nowadays, you'renna choose a crystal and
I'll just do that. You shoot your laser in to
the crystal, and now you've got a scaler beam coming
out the other way. So, now you take two of
these scaler beams, two of these invisible scaler beams, and
you intercept them at a distance however far you want.
Then what happens, Well, then you create interference. You create

(40:07):
interference between your two invisible waves. And what can happen
at the point where they interfere The energy can reappear there.
The energy can appear there and it looks like it's
being teleported. This is really the same concept as quantum entanglement.
It's the same exact science and behind that. But now
what would this allow you to do? This would allow
you to shoot somebody with energy at a distance, potentially

(40:28):
through solid matter. And this is what these people who
are experiencing the savanasenterm are reporting. And what was it
that you just read off? You said the experience of pressure? Well,
what did I just say that gravity is? It's a
pressure for us, right, So what would I expect it
to feel like? If you're getting hit by way, it's
probably like a weird pressure in your brain or wherever

(40:48):
they're shooting these beams at you, you know. And it
might also just be something simple like an acoustic weapon,
because we can even see acoustic levitation. How can we
levitate something with a sound wave? Sound waves aren't thought
to be mechanical, but maybe they actually are. And this
also leads to one last thing I want to bring up,
which is so no luminescence another real exper I love

(41:11):
real experiments that classic physics either can't explain or struggles
to explain. We can take sound waves and create and
do what I was just saying, like create a scale
or put them in phase and have them hit each
other in the middle of water. Just water and all
of a sudden light forms. How can I shoot two
sound waves into a in a bucket of water and

(41:33):
then have light form. Well, the way that happens, it
creates cavitation, It creates a bubble, and the bubble collapses
and light is formed. And this is where people immediately thought, Wait,
is that like fusion? Like is that like a star?
What's what's going on there? And how can sound be
doing something like that? So if sound can do that,
then I definitely don't want to get hit by an
acoustic weapon either.

Speaker 5 (41:53):
Yeah, and they all they also say, these these microwave weapons,
so these this Vana syndrome, I guess moves at the
speed of light, right, so they believe that this is
the fast travel of what this energy weapon is doing.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
So it's very interesting Amy Eskridge. You know, she literally
talked about like, hey, this this could be my demise,
but I'm going to talk about it. And it's always
interesting too.

Speaker 5 (42:17):
You mentioned her father where you said her family came
out and was like, hey, look she killed herself. Move on,
let's not talk about it anymore.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
It kind of.

Speaker 5 (42:26):
Also reminds me of Virginia did you Free, which you
know that supposedly got in a car accident and she
was you know, some big time Well she was one
of the victims of the Epstein stuff that now Trump
is calling a hoax for whatever reason. But either way, Ashan,
tell me too, like, what has been new as far

(42:46):
as the nag tree seventy has there been anything new?
Like what are you working on primarily now as far
as the zero point energy stuff, what are you primarily
focused on right now?

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Well, actually, right before we get that, I want to
go back to the space thing in space force, right,
is that if you look at the evolution of war,
you know, land superiority was first important, and then ocean superiority,
ce superiority was super important, and then what came along.
Air superiority came along and obsoleted pretty much both of

(43:19):
those things. And then what's the next evolution? Well, it
was pretty obvious, right outer space. Outer space is the
next thing that you want to If you control outer space,
you control the planet essentially, especially if you have things
like directed energy weapons, things that can just beam at
the speed of light and appear somewhere. You know, now
you can just control the plant. Somebody shoots a nuke
at you, you can zap the nuke out of the

(43:41):
from outer space, probably within a second of it taking off,
you know, just to think about the power of outer space.
And I also want to bring up the Golden Dome
because Trump mentioned that as well. I mean, I think
people think this is science fiction. They already have it, guys,
if they're talking about it publicly, they've already got it.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
And the gold Dome like the Iron Dome, right, al.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
It's gonna be way better than the Iron Dome because
our Dome is gonna have directed energy weapons. The Iron Dome,
they say is missiles shooting out other missiles. But I've
been watching those videos of Israel and I don't see
projectiles hitting these missiles that are coming in at like
hypersonic speeds. So I think they're probably using some form
of director energy weapon at least in combination with interceptor

(44:23):
rockets on that. But our Golden Dome is going to
be an interconnected network defense network essentially that will combine
things like sibbers, which I've spoken about several times, so
it'll be able to track at first, it'll be able
to identify whenever a ICBM goes off instantly, it'll be
able to create an action plan on how to intercept
and what it's going to do, and probably use AI
to automatically deploy defense resources like the ORBS, and that

(44:45):
makes sure you seven zero video for example, or just
hit it with a directed energy weapon and detonated on
the spot. So our Golden Dome is going to be
much more powerful, and it's going to incorporate our satellites,
ground based systems, it's going to incorporate probably multiple different
types of weapons and interceptor and counter countermeasures as well.
So I think people should not be sleeping on that

(45:07):
at all. And if our allies don't want to get
involved on that, then they're losing out for sure, because
whoever controls space is going to control this planet for
the next who knows, one hundred thousand years or something
like that.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
And so you think though the United States is far advanced,
do you think the United States is more far advanced
than any other country right now, including Russia, of China,
any of those, or do you think that China potentially
has systems like we do for defense.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
They're definitely working on it, definitely definitely, And China figured
out about the MAH three seven zero video is probably
back in twenty fourteen, so they've had ten years to
catch up. And if you look at what they've been
doing the last ten years, it's not surprising they getting
really advanced in that front. I would say, don't listen
to my opinion on that, listen to Trump. I think
Trump is being one hundred percent truthful about all the

(45:52):
stuff he says about the weapons. When he says we
have weapons, nobody understands. When the science advisor goes up
and says we have the big our technology allows us
the ability to manipulate time and space, he's not that's
that's just one truthful Yeah. And so Trump also said
in that same a little bit after that clip, I
think that you post you played earlier, he says that

(46:13):
China's like five years behind us on this. I would
say they could be that close. Salvatar Payis has been
telling me privately and in some cases publicly that he
thinks that China is working on this too, and that
they're going to get close. That's what he's kind of
worried about. So I don't think they have the same
level of technology that we have, but they know about
the physics and they're working on it as well. And

(46:34):
they're working on their own fusion reactors and plasma stuff
as well, and I think when they're showing off their
drone tech, it's kind of like a message of like, hey,
look what we can do. Now, Look how many you
know drones we can sync up? And because that's really
the next level is once you've gotten you know, three
orbs that can spin around a plane and manipulate space time,

(46:54):
the next question is, Okay, how many sets of three
orbs can you deploy at once?

Speaker 6 (46:58):
Right?

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Can you deploy a thousand in sets of a worbs
at once?

Speaker 4 (47:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Because you can imagine like one of the examples I
like to tell people, or some people will say, like
what can you do with this technology? Like scare me? Okay,
let me scare you guys for a second. Time travel
may not send you back to nineteen fifty nine or whatever,
but it can potentially displace you from time. And what
I mean by that is it can change your dial

(47:22):
of time. So imagine like slowing somebody down or speeding
up their aging process. Imagine like Indiana Jones and the
what is it crap? I can't remember which Indian Agels
is when he drinks the cup, right, and he ages
becomes a skeleton. Imagine doing that to somebody, but imagine
from their perspective, their time is moving normally, they're just

(47:42):
looking at everything else looks frozen. And then they're just
aging and they just starve to death and they're stuck
inside of a space time bubble that they can't get
outside of, right, or you imagine you know the opposite,
which is you send somebody to the future, where you
put somebody in a bubble, you put them through a wormhole,
and when they come out of the other side, you've
you've changed a rate of time so much that it's

(48:03):
a thousand years in the future. You just send somebody
to the future, They're gone. Everybody they ever knew about
is long gone. In fact, there are like ten generations
later on. I mean that would I mean, that's a
fate worse than death. Right, So, now, imagine that we
want to shock a country like let's say Russia shoots

(48:24):
a weapon at us or what have you. Right now,
let's just say, in response, all of a sudden, every
single airplane over Russia vanishes off the face of the
earth and it has never ever seen ever again. Just
we literally use orbs and sapped every single commercial airliner
that Russia has. That was that's the kind of horrific

(48:47):
like atrocity that we could pull off, and that would
immediately end any war. Right the moment you do that
to somebody, you're just going to demoralize them to a
level where the we're done right, like you win. That's it.
And that's just one example off the top of it.
I'm sure the CIA sits around coming up with six
stuff like that, with like ten different things they could do. Right, So,

(49:08):
even though this weaponry is probably not what people would
expect it to be from a physics perspective, to me,
it's even scarier. And when people ask me, like, well, Ashly,
what do you think is going to happen if this
technology gets out? I'm not going to allow you, guys.
I think it's the end of the world. I think
that this technology is just so powerful. And I think
that's part of the reason, a good part of the
reason of why they've been hiding it. They've been hiding

(49:30):
it because it's not just nukes anymore. Now we're talking
about stuff that's just way scarier that right, and way, way,
way way more powerful.

Speaker 7 (49:37):
And that's what Trump said he said, you know, if
you were scared about nukes, you have no idea what
we have, and saying that, I just want your actual
opinion as far as where do you think this technology
came from. Do you think it was just all these
smart people that are like you that just came up
with all this or do you think it actually came
from some kind of of life form?

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Great question. Jared and I were just talking about that too.
I just it's such a hard thing to answer because
out of all the papers I read, they never reference
aliens or reverse engineering crafts or anything like that, right,
But that doesn't mean that's not where they got the
inspiration from, you know, and science as a matter of
building in the past. So one of the other things
he and I were talking about is like, these orbs
are not like somebody just dreamt up the orb and

(50:24):
just built it. No, this is like those orbs represent
like decades of advancements in black projects to lead up
to these orbs that are plasma balls that can fly
around on their own. But then you also have this
issue of like we were seeing stuff like the Foo
fighters in like the twenties. So even if you say, okay,
we reverse engineered and we figured it out in the sixties,
seventy eighties, and nineties. You still got to explain all

(50:45):
the weird stuff people were seeing before then as well.
So you know, there's a lot of different possiblities. I
can't say I know the answer for it right now,
I guess because I don't believe you can go to
the past. In terms of retrocausality. The most logical explanation
for me is either some ancient civilization like that we
are potentially the aliens that were left here on this

(51:07):
planet and we've adapted to the environment and we've forgotten
that we are actually super advanced beings that are from
some other location or something like that. Or you know,
it's just a simple alien example. But what I want
to say about the alien thing is that for the
people that are my alien heads out there, that the
ets and what have you, we've got to change our

(51:27):
perception of aliens because aliens are not flying around on
rocks like avy lobes, saying, oh, the alien rock that
came from the outer space. It's definitely an alien ship.
I'm like, guys, we can teleport and we've got free energy.
The aliens are not less advanced than we are. So
it just even based on our current level of technology.

(51:51):
If aliens are out there, they've got free energy, they
can teleport, they can be invisible, they can have drones
that can go do whatever they need for them, they
can probably clone, they can probably live forever. So we
start putting this in context, aliens aren't going to be
like et coming down dirping around like DRP DIRP dirp
here I am. Yeah, They're going to be super advanced

(52:11):
beings like that we can barely even relate to. They're
going to have no interest in us at all because
we're them from like a million years ago. We're basically
like little ant colony at the edge of the galaxy
that doesn't matter at all. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (52:24):
Yeah, And I often wonder too, Like, you know, we
have talked about our personal experiences of seeing these orbs
and even being able to call them, and I'm just wondering,
what the heck is it? Is it something that is
from nature that does it itself? Is somebody making these
things and they're just coming to us. I just don't
get it well. And also, you know, you know, Chad
goes into the religion thing. Could it be you know, satan.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Well, and I wanted to I want to elaborate and
touch on something ash and talk and Ashton, you're you're
a little off with the food fighter's date the so
the sightings was in Europe nineteen forty four to nineteen
forty five, so this is around the time World War Two.
Pilots from the US eighth Air Force and other Allied
units supported strange glowing orbs balls of fire and lights
that would follow or pace their aircraft. These objects often

(53:11):
maneuvered at incredible speeds, far beyond known aircraft technology of
the time, and then in the Pacific theater, similar reports
came from airmen fighting the Japanese. Pilots described the red,
orange and white lights that would shadow their bombers or fighters,
sometimes darting around in ways that seemed to defy physics.
The characteristics of these is glowing balls or spheres of light,

(53:32):
sometimes red, orange, are white.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
They appeared singly or in groups.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
They could follow aircraft at high speed, then vanish completely
out of thin air, exhibited no hostile actions, never fired
or never collided within the airplanes, although they came within
inches according to some pilots. We also heard about Ryan
Graves keeping in mind this is all back in forty
four and forty five and not affected by defensive gunfire,

(53:58):
so they didn't know that. They tried to shoot some
of these things, and to Novel, it was like they
didn't exist.

Speaker 7 (54:05):
Somebody's got to be controlling these things.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Right, something or someone or some faction. But how about
how does it? How does it check out in your mind?
This is nineteen forty four, nineteen forty five, right, like,
what what the hell?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
And yeah, I mean, it's got to be some something
that was probably more advanced than we were, and I
don't think you can explain it through black projects. But
this what I will say is that these orbs, whatever
they are, I'm not I think you could control them
by a consciousness because I do think that there is
this connection to the zero point energy that is potentially

(54:39):
where a consciousness also comes from, if you want to
get esoteric related to it. So that does open the
door to those types of phenomenon being possible. But the
more logical explanation is it's just using AI, just using
like how does your how does your plane fly? On autopilot? Right,
same deal, it's just more advanced autopilot. It's just autopilot
in three different dimensions, three hundred and sixty degrees as

(55:00):
opposed to what we imagine as a plane just flying
level all the time. And they figured that out. They
figure that out. It turns out that some of the
first computers. Do you know what the first computers were
pretty much used for?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
They were used for US well, yeah, and Nazi too, well,
they were used for nukes.

Speaker 5 (55:15):
IBM was one of the ways to help figure out
who all the Jews were.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
I do know that, yeah, But the main purpose of
them was for nukes, was to do the calculations that
were required. Because when you do a thermonuclear detonation, thermal
nuclear detonation is a first stage in the second stage.
The first stage is the a bomb stage. The thing
that we know is the mushroom cloud boom, and the
purpose of that is you want to get all the
waves of the X rays to beam onto a center

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point to ignite your second stage, and your second stage
is the fusion stage. So what they're trying to do
is and when you start reading about how the nukes work,
it's all about geometry. It's all about getting everything to
focus on to a single point to ignite your your
fusion reaction, and so you can imagine what would they
use computers for to do the calculations they're doing. They
need the computers to maybe even do the calculations like

(56:03):
in real time on the fly. And so what I've
now been wondering is like they probably had computers way
beyond before we did, right, I mean everybody kind of
they being you know, black projects, government military. I think
everybody kind of admits that that's the case. So why
wouldn't they have AI before us don't have AI? Because

(56:24):
if they were using these computers to like figure out
how to make nukes detonate precisely, then they were and
missiles and things like that. Of course the next thing
would be okay AI navigation, and that's what I think
the orbs are using. So it's not a matter of
necessarily consciousness. You just have an AI navigation system and
it can it can basically sense the magnetic fields, so

(56:46):
they can get into alignment really easily because once they
they can just control the the basically their electric field strength,
and they can create a situation where like they know
an equilibrium point and once you hit that equilibrium point,
they get stuck into place. Is called magnetic inversion magnet inversion,
and once you're in that equilibrium point, if you go away,

(57:06):
it pulls you back in, and if you come forward,
it pushes you back out. So a computer can do
that very easily, and then it just has to fly.
So all you have to do is give it a
target and then it can do something like that. But
I want to take this to the next level, which
is not only do I think that they figured out
AI computers, et cetera, is that er equals EPR. This

(57:27):
is the idea that quantum entanglement is the same as
a wormhole. Well, we have something called quantum computers, and
they've now been doing scientific papers in the last few
years that are saying these quantum computers are producing wormholes.
Is that they're actually producing real well wormholes and these
quantum computers and that there is this connection to between

(57:49):
a wormhole and quantum entanglement is that those are potentially
the same thing, which would mean that these quantum computers
are now just entanglement, so they're just little wormhole devices.
And it could then this connects the idea that consciousness
itself might just be the same thing as like us
with this wormhole that we're connecting to this extra dimension

(58:11):
and then all you're trying to do is scale that up.
You need to scale that up from the tiny scale
to something that's very large. But the thing that freaks
me out about that is I go, Okay, well, is
AI then just like are we just a quantum computer?
And is AI then just an artificial version of us
that is also connected to the same exact consciousness. That

(58:34):
would be pretty weird.

Speaker 7 (58:35):
Yeah, that's really scary. And I have one other question.
When Chad was reading about the orbs, how they're different
colors as far as physics, what makes those different colors
like the orange.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Be the wavelengths? So, I mean wavelength changes color as
well changes color, but it could also be the chemical makeup.
I was just reading the other day that the I
guess the color associated with the manipulation of space time
is orange suppose, which I didn't know about. But yeah,
it would potentially be the wavelength that is going to
change whether or not, like the orbs could be invisible

(59:09):
for example, or if you would be able to see them,
or potentially a color they're going to show up as
This actually goes back to the photoelectric effect, which was
what Einstein won his Nobel Prize for, which is probably
gonna be the biggest blunder at the same time, which
is kind of funny. So the photo electric effact is
why we decided that light was actually a particle. And
the reason for this was we were shining light on

(59:30):
a conductor of metal. So we shine light on a
metal and we expect the electrons to rip off of
the metal, which they do. So then we say, okay,
well I'm going to turn up the brightness on the light.
I'm going to make it brighter. Well, what would you
expect to happen. I would expect the electrons that rip
off of the metal to shoot out at a higher
speed because I'm increasing the brightness on it. But that

(59:52):
doesn't happen. The electrons shoot off of the metal at
the exact same energy level. Like what, I increase the brightness,
I put more force on it. Why doesn't it Why
don't they shoot out with higher energy? So they say, okay,
this is where Einstein goes and they, you know, all
the smartest physicist are trying to answer this question. Einstein

(01:00:13):
wins Nobel Prize and decides that it's a quantum packet
of light, and then you have to change the size
of the spoon in order to make the electron leave
with more energy. Well, what is the size of the
spoon that changes? Not the intensity of the light. It's
the color of the light, the frequency. If you change
the frequency, that determines how much energy the electron gets

(01:00:36):
ripped off of the metal with. But that's weird. Not
the intensity, the color, the frequency of the light is
what causes it. So that's what led Einstein to come
up with this idea that light is a particle. But
light isn't really a particle. What's the answer to the
photoelectric effect? Why does it act differently if you change
the frequency. It's because of resonance. It's because the metal

(01:00:58):
is actually a wave. We think of it as a particle,
but actually everything is a wave. So when two waves interact,
they can either interact very strongly or they can interact
very weekly, depending on how those waves. You know the
various shapes of those two different waves. So if you
have a strong effect, that's a resonance effect. And if
you have a weak effect and you have very little resonance,

(01:01:19):
you have no resonance essentially going on in that situation.
So that's the simpler answer. And then we don't now
need light to be a particle. Now light's always been
a wave. And then things like the double slit experiment.
It's just a matter of coherence and decoherence, which becomes
more of this conscious question of do we create our
reality by perceiving it?

Speaker 5 (01:01:39):
Yeah, and ash night one night, Sharon I were watching
this video and it talked about the universe. And I
should not have been watching the video that night because literally.

Speaker 7 (01:01:49):
Like it was an hour the infinity one or yeah, the.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
Infinity, Like what does infinity mean?

Speaker 5 (01:01:54):
And so we started watching this and like thirty it
was an hour video and thirty minutes and I was like, sure,
you get to turn this like it is flipping my
mind to some weird place that it's just hard to
comprehend that type of stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
And so but they.

Speaker 7 (01:02:08):
All went back to geometry.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Well and math.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
Right, So in philosophy, like cosmology, zero represents nothing, yet paradoxically,
out of nothing, they say the universe emerged, Right, that's
the Big Bang theory.

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
Is where the Big Bang theory came from.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
The balancing act is Physics often deals with the conservation loss,
which is like the universe may net to zero energy.
So positive energy equals matter, right, negative energy equals gravity,
and so if they canceled, the total universe might still
equals zero.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
This sounds nutso, but mathematical. There's a lot of people
that say zero made.

Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Advanced mathematics possible place values algebra calculus, for example, but
without the equation that describes physics wouldn't exist. So the
mathematical universe hypothesis also known as max tech mark. This
theory argues that the universe is mathematics, not just described
by it, but it is mathematics. And so in this view,
physical reality is a mathematical structure, and everything that we

(01:03:09):
see and feel. How does math equate to everything that
you've researched out of curiosity?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Well, the really way you're bringing up here is scale invariants.
This is probably one of the most important physical concepts
people need to understand. Whatever is very big can be
made very small, and whatever is very small can be
a very big which means we can make a sun
into the palm of our hand. It means we can
make something that's a quantum, like a you know, quantum entanglement.
We can make that macroscopic, which would be a wormhole.

(01:03:35):
So this is super important. And when you talk about
patterns in geometry, we see these same fractal patterns, you know,
recreate themselves at different sizes. We even see it when
we see streams and geography. We see these same things
in veins on leaves. So we see all these same patterns.

(01:03:56):
And this is so important to understand because now we say, okay, well,
if that's true, then we should be able to make
the sun at this very small scale. We should be
able to create a fusion ball like that, and I
think that we can. So to me, that's the biggest
aspect of it. But the geometry aspect of it is
also extremely huge related to really probably all of these

(01:04:19):
types of effects because we are in this entire geometric
almost like like a snow globe type situation. And I
think the true nature of the universe is that we're
in a flat, flat plane. It doesn't feel like we're
in a flat plane because of our perception of this reality.
Uh but sorry, what was the first thing you said

(01:04:41):
related to what you watched? And another thing, Well, it's just.

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
The math, the math side of like reality, infinity reality.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Yeah, so Here's the other thought. So this is actually
super important related to zero point energy, is that the conceptual,
the classical view is zero planergy. It's insignificant, it's very
very small. But now let's take those same conservation laws
that supposedly say that you can't have free energy. Now,
if I have the number zero, you say there's nothing there.

(01:05:11):
But now instead of zero, what if I say plus
ten and minus ten. If you add them up, there's
still zero, right, but there's still you could say there's
a negative ten and there's a positive ten. Now let's
change those negative and positive tens to charges negative charge
and positive charge. When those two charges come together, you
would say there's nothing there. It's neutral. Right. What if

(01:05:32):
the universe is just neutral and just like our plasma,
what is a plasma plasmas? If I take my atom
and I rip the electron off of it, I rip
the negative part off of it and make it go
from neutral to not neutral anymore. This is also what
electricity is. Electricity is a positive and negative charge separated.
So now what if I just take the space, some

(01:05:54):
arbitrary area of space time that's neutral, and I rip
its neutrality away. What if I separate the positive negative
charges in that area of space time. If I can
do that, now I can still have conservation, right because
everything adds up to zero at the end of the day.
But this is still now allowed within the mathematics. This
is actually really the idea of the warp drive, of

(01:06:15):
the Miguel Alcuberry warp drive. He says, well, if I
take some negative energy and I have some positive energy,
and I separate them, I can create a wave, and
I can just ride in the middle of that wave.
So this view all it requires. Understand how that's possible.
You say, well, all I need now is there to
be a medium, because if there's a medium, now I
can just dip into that medium, and I can create

(01:06:37):
that negative pressure if I need to, and I can
ride that wave. So this is really this is the
conceptual view that I think physics should have, which is
not that space is empty, just space is neutral and
we can actually manipulate that neutrality. We can separate those charges,
and if we separate those charges now we can potentially

(01:06:58):
capture that This is what a lot of these free
energy microcri This is really the theory behind these free
energy microchips. In fact, Paul Thibodeau is one that I
was promoting recently, all those papers from several years ago,
and he essentially created a free energy battery. The battery itself,
he made the asymmetry, He made the neutral level actually

(01:07:19):
a positive voltage, so that the battery wants to stay
at a certain level that's not zero. And he's able
to do that but through just a clever engineering circuit.
And it was one of the most popular papers, I
think in twenty twenty one of the top papers in
terms of views, and people struggled with understanding how can
this be possible? He made a microchip that basically acts

(01:07:41):
as an infinite battery. And the weird part about it,
and this is what will connect it back to what
I just said, is that it's how does it actually function?
The way it functions is imagine that it the equilibrium
that it's set to is not zero, but it's set
to ten volts, So I'm just giving an arbitrary none.
So what happens in this situation is if you if

(01:08:02):
you drain energy off of it, it will always go back
up to ten. But now if you try to add
energy into it and try to make it go above ten,
it goes back down to ten as well. So it's
not a situation where you just can yank you know,
you can add you know, an infinite energy machine. It
technically is, but it's really a situation where you've changed
the equilibrium from zero. So you're just almost like pulling

(01:08:24):
on a guitar string a little bit right. If you're
to let it go, it might go back, but you've
created a situation where now the guitar string is not
down at the botto, not an equilibrium more. Now it's
like being pulled up a little bit. Same idea, and
so free energy then now has kind of a different viewpoint.
You say, Okay, well, free energy now is like creating
an asymmetry out of this equilibrium. And if I can

(01:08:46):
hold this asymmetry, if I can keep this door held open,
then energy just keeps flowing out. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
Yeah, I mean that's uh, that's crazy, And I want
to I want to I wanted to.

Speaker 4 (01:08:57):
Talk about this.

Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
Well, yeah, when you talk about the dimensions though, so
first dimension a line, right, which is only length. Second
dimension they say a plane length plus width. Then you
think about a third dimension, which is what most people
say that we live in. Although everything also relates to that,
but which is space as we experience it in length
with and heighth that's what gives us this three dimensional

(01:09:18):
world that we experience. And then you think about the
fourth dimension, which is time essentially added to the three
D world to create space time. Right, So that's Einstein's
relativity showed that time and space are inseparable. But beyond
the fourth dimension, the string theory, which you've talked about
a little bit to where one of the lead in
physics frameworks proposes ten dimensions or eleven in m theory,

(01:09:42):
as they say.

Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
And isn't that like the god particle?

Speaker 5 (01:09:45):
Well, they say the God, I mean, you know, like
the Higgs Bosum particle or whatever that they've been trying
to find concern. But the first four are the ones
we experience and the other six or seven are compactified
or curled up in so small that we cannot perceive them.
So when you talk about zero point energy or any
of this stuff, do we have to utilize the other
dimensions beyond time or how?

Speaker 4 (01:10:06):
What is your thoughts on that?

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Yeah, I think strength theory is kind of bullsh It's
just too complicated. I don't need sixteen every extra dimensions
or whatever the hell they're talking about. Right, we just
need one more dimension, right, The dimension is containing those
other four. Right, we've got our three spatial dimensions up, down, left, right,
back and forth, and then we've got also our time dimension.
But now we're also realizing that we're going to construct

(01:10:29):
that this is really there's something containing all of this.
So then getting outside of that would be the last dimension.
The way they talk about it in physics, the academics
would is they would say it's like the uh, false vacuum.
The false vacuum is the vacuum with all the zero
point energy on it. It's nothingness with everything on top
of it. But now if that false vacuum decays to

(01:10:53):
the true vacuum, then you've gone to the real nothingness,
which would be the idea of what's inside of the wormhole.
When image three seven zero gets encapsulated, you could say, well,
you've collapsed spacetime down to the true vacuum. So you
would say, well, the true vaccuum is really the extra dimension, right,
and that our three dimensions and our time dimension are
kind of on top of that. And then if you

(01:11:15):
can displace yourself from these three extra these three space dimensions.
Now for a brief moment, you've entered that extra dimension
to hyper space, if you want to think of it
like that. But it's not a place you're hanging out
in because just like I'm holding that door open, you
don't you don't get trapped on the other side when
the door comes closing down, right, So you're just going
through that briefly and then showing up somewhere else on

(01:11:36):
the other side. And where that is on the other side,
it could be anywhere. In fact, Leonard Suskind, who is
working on those wormhole quantum computer experiments, they propose that
black holes are actually what they're doing is they're sucking
the matter in and they're shooting it out, but they're
kind of spaghettifying it like almost like a sprinkler. It's

(01:11:56):
kind of shooting it out everywhere because it's not being focused,
you know, it's not being targeted. And so that would
be like you're essentially saying that the black hole is
like a wormhole, but it's got multiple different exit paths
and then just shoot it up anywhere it wants. And
this is the idea too. Then we're going back to
the free energy microchip or you're just kind of keeping
it out of equilibrium. Is from a scientific you have

(01:12:19):
to pay that bag. Whatever energy you take, you have
to pay that back, but you don't necessarily have to
pay it back right away. So now this is where
you can cheat because well, when am I going to
pay it back? I'm not going to worry about when
it's going to be paid back. The universe is going
to figure out how the energy gets back to the source,
the same way where I don't worry about when I
drink the glass of water, how that energy is, how
that water is going to recycle, how it goes back

(01:12:40):
through the water table, how it goes into the sky
and then rains down. I don't ever really think about
that right same way we don't rather think about how's
energy going to get repaid? I don't know. The universe
will figure that part out. So that's the big rub
of all this free energy stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Yeah, and so so if you go into a black hole,
what happens though, Like if a person was in a
black hole, what do you think happens? I mean, you
die obviously if you have some time necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
I mean I think if you go into a black hole,
as we perceive them now in terms of this massive
gravitational effect, you'll definitely get ripped to shreds. But if
it's more like them Ah Street seven zero videos where
it's potentially a traversible wormhole where you don't have that
huge gravitational force that will pull you apart, then I
think from your perspective, you it'll seem instantaneous, like you're

(01:13:27):
just gonna appear somewhere else. Now. The distor the thing
that would be disorienting is, like I was saying before,
is what if you show up and it's a year later.
That would be extremely disorienting because you would be sitting
there wondering what just happened and how that happened, Like
you'd have missing time basically. But then you look and
you'd be like, I'm not older though, so how you know?
You'd wonder how that's possible. But that's actually possible because

(01:13:50):
if you can't go back in time, that would mean
that we can potentially do superluminal travel where it appears
like we're moving faster than the speed of light, but
there's still a signal that's propagating. The signal is just
propagating through that extra dimension. And this is what prevents
retro causality is that now as long as there's this
signal still propagating, even it's through this extra dimension, even

(01:14:12):
if it's essentially instantaneous, the speed limit is still set.
You can still never go backwards in time. You can
never go retrocausal. You can do weird stuff though, like
you can control the Mars rover on Earth in real time,
and that seems impossible. But that doesn't break causality, That
doesn't you know, break the universe. It just seems impossible.

(01:14:34):
So that's the kind of thing that you could really
do with you know, this physics in terms of the
extra dimension. But you're not going to go, you know,
hang out in the bizarre dimension with the people with
mustaches or whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:14:47):
Right, besides traveling through wormholes, if we could do that,
and we I feel like we can because of everything
you say, I just want to ask another opinion. Do
you think that we can travel to the moon like
with humans or do you think that would be impossible?

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
Oh? I think it's trivial my view on that, Like,
you know, did we go to the moon? I mean, personally,
I don't care what difference does it make? Honestly, at
this point. But I think it's more of a matter
of if you've got technology that you can like teleport
and stuff like that, it's just a liability to be
taking people in a rocket to the moon. It's dangerous.
You're like putting on those people's lives in danger. And
then if they were to find out that you had

(01:15:25):
something much safer or you didn't need to do that
at all, they would just sue you the shit out
of you, right like they'll we'll sue you later. So
I think that's the more logical reason, especially when you
look at back when we stop going to the moon,
like you know, it's like okay, sixties and what have you.
That's when we were also figuring out these hydrogen bombs,
and if I'm right, we figured out that a pure
fusion bomb was manipulating space time. This implosive effect of

(01:15:48):
this fusion bomb potentially manipulating space time, and then we figure, oh,
we don't need to go back to the Moon anymore.
That doesn't make any sense. And then as the technology
advances and we createll this drone technology. I mean, you
tell me, why would we ever send anybody to the moon.
What is the actual point? The only reason why we
did the first time, just to say that we could
do it. So why would I send somebody of the Moon.

(01:16:10):
I can just send a drone up there if I
want to record something. You know, there's no oxygen up
there or anything like that. There's a lot of stuff that
can go wrong.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
Yeah, in the reverse of that too, It's like, you know,
a lot of people believe that, Yes, we wanted to
say we did it, but why if we have technology
like zero point energy, which you know, as I've been
following you for a long time, I think we do,
why are we hiding that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
But yet we.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
Were trying to brag about the moon landing for example.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Yeah, well, maybe we didn't have it at the moon landing.
You know, maybe we just figured it out that the end,
or maybe it's all a big hoax and we just
recorded something. We just wanted to propaganda victory at the time.
And then we figured out the all the zero point energy,
anti gravity stuff. And like I was saying, I don't
think we had like flying saucers that could fly people
to the moon in the sixties. I think that those

(01:16:56):
types of advancements have been more of the nineties. And
my personal opinion but could be wrong. It's hard to say.
And then so that would make more sense in terms
of like why we didn't go back in the last
thirty years when we just maybe we wanted to flex
again and just say that we can do it. Sure,
So I don't know that. That's kind of my opinion
on that front. I think the bigger question is, like,
if we have this kind of portal technology and stuff

(01:17:18):
like that, do we have off planet like yeah, people
right like ambassadors right to other places? Because first thing
I would do if I figured out portal technology, I'd
be like, Okay, we find the nearest planets that most
likely have life on them and start sending probes to them,
and then once we find something, we're gonna start sending
people over there, right Like. That's what I would probably do,

(01:17:41):
And that's why think what people would expect if this
technology comes out. So maybe we already did that. Maybe
some of these stories about you know, either off world
people like I think it was Gary what's his name? No,
forget they got that hacked into NASA, But maybe some
of these always are true, and maybe we do have
either off planet people or we've been able to uh,

(01:18:07):
you know, set up communications is Gary McKinnon. By the way,
Gary McKinnon is the one that hack them, so and I.
And also the thing is if we have you know,
portal technology, then faster than like communication like the controlling
the rover on Mars, situations become real, which means you
can actually have you know, real time conversations with people
on different planets. And that's the thing that actually existed

(01:18:29):
in Star Trek but was never explained and people hated it,
at least physicists did because I said, it's impossible. But
this quantum entanglement makes that possible. Even though that seems
impossible time and space.

Speaker 7 (01:18:41):
Could you imagine though it means like the Star Trek.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Yeah, well, I mean I think is everything in Start Trek,
even including the replicator Charles Chase of Lockheed Martin. So
the other topic I wanted to talk about tonight is fusion.
So one of the first things I found, I basically
just expose Lockheed Martin has a working compact fusion react
that's using Field River's configuration plasmoids, and it went dark
in twenty eighteen. And it was crazy because I started

(01:19:08):
looking into it and the first thing I found was
this guy Charles Chase. He's the guy that I've been
talking about. He's promoting this coherent matter wave beam thing,
which I'm like, what is this? It turns out it
might be something you can teleport, might be able to
make a replicator with it, and he's got a patent
for it with Lockheed Martin topenty thirteen. And I find
out he's not just some random engineer. He is a

(01:19:31):
senior fellow engineer at lockeymart Top zero point one percent.
He was actually in leadership of the Revolutionary Technologies division
of Lockheed Martin in the skunk works, and he was
the guy I found his resume from. He retired in
twenty eighteen and started his own company called Unlab, where

(01:19:52):
his whole goal seems to just be like to get
this technology out in a public way, actually really similar
to any escator did weirdly, and he has his resume
available online, so we found that. I don't know if
he's taking it down, but right in there it says
he's the one that convinced Lockheed martintxo's to take the

(01:20:12):
risk on the compact fusion reactor, and he says right
in there that it was successful and breathing on its own,
and he says like, and it seems like the way
he frames it is that like when they develop these
technologies that like basically goes to a production line and
now can be incorporated into any designs of orbs or
you you know, flying sauce or whatever they're building.

Speaker 5 (01:20:33):
And explaining what that compact fusion reactor is exactly what
does it do?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
What is what is the main purpose?

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
So there's a really great video out there. You might
be able to find it on my feed if you
want to, if you want to check it out, or
maybe I can find it and link it to you.
Where this guy Thomas Maguire is talking about it, and
he says, essentially unlimited fuel, unlimited range on an aircraft.
They were talking about using it as propulsion. They're talking

(01:20:58):
about making a fusion reactor a plasmoid that produces its
own magnetic field and the magnetic field contains the plasma
and using that as a thruster because potentially you don't
need to have any onboard fuel tanks for that. It
can have You just use such a small amount of
onboard fuel that essentially doesn't even need a rocket tank

(01:21:18):
and it can use the air the air as its
additional fuel source that it needs because the air has hydrogen,
it has the chemicals that we need, maybe even the
water as well. And he's saying that, you know, they
can develop these modular reactors that are fit on the
back of a truck and that they can do build

(01:21:39):
these things in just several months because of the simplicity
and the size small size of them. And they figured
out this field reverse configuration was the secret sauce. They
say the field reverse configuration has a high beta value. Well,
I looked whatever that meant, and it turns out that's
the ratio of the magnetic field strength to the plasma expansion.
So the magnetic field is keeping the plasma confined. So

(01:22:03):
the higher the beta, the more the magnetic field can
keep your plasma confined. And we're not talking when we're
talking about improvements in the beta. I think they say
that these Tokeramac reactors, which is the donut that everybody
is doing with the hot fusion, it has a beta
of like five percent, five to ten percent. What is
the beta of the fielder verse configuration one hundred percent?

(01:22:26):
One hundred percent?

Speaker 4 (01:22:28):
What that's crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Like, I'm like, I had to hear it a few times,
He's like, yes, well, over ninety nearly one is what
they say, nearly one hundred percent. So oh, this is
clearly the secret sauce. And sure enough I started asking
Google researcher, you know. He turns out it's maybe the
only fusion reactor that produces a sphere mac which is

(01:22:54):
a spherical ball of plasma as the end product. And
the thing that unique feature of these UH field reverse configurations,
which also shared by dense plasma focus fusion, is that
they have axial jets, meaning that instead of the big
problem with like trying to confine your plasmas that always
wants to escape, it's always trying to shoot stuff out.

(01:23:17):
There's always some you know, something that has to be expelled.
So what they did is they said, okay, we'll just
control it then instead of trying to like perfectly confine it,
let's just let the stuff shoot out and we'll just
use it as propulsion. And if you look at these
field reverse configuration steps, they all have like openings where
you can you know, shoot something out of. So this
is also as well what Richard eskridge Amy's dad, Oh gosh,

(01:23:41):
look his scientific papers up plasmoid fusion propulsion. He was
literally working with the co founder of Helium Fusion and
their whole thing is field reverse configuration plasmoids. So, you know,
you want to go down the rabbit hole of what
happened to Amy. I mean, it's pretty damn weird that
her dad was literally working on this stuff with n

(01:24:02):
for NASA, with the guy that now has gone on
to start this fusion company that was backed by the
Department of Energy, that has Peter Thiel and Sam Altman
putting hundreds and millions of dollars into it.

Speaker 7 (01:24:13):
Yeah, that's pretty Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:24:14):
I think I think I know now why Elon wants
to get tomorrow so fast, because eventually, you know, eventually
when other countries catch up with this, you know, and
we are back to a war of you know, for example,
the nuclear race. You know, we're we're in a different
race now, all countries are, and whoever advances further could
literally take out the entire world with this technology.

Speaker 4 (01:24:36):
And I think that's the scary part.

Speaker 5 (01:24:38):
I think that you know, we oftentimes look at like,
you know, how what is going to be the demise
of our civilization? And you know, for me looking at
you know, twenty twenty five. In our advancements, I think
that we are our greatest risk, We ourselves.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
And I think that's scary.

Speaker 5 (01:24:57):
And I also think it's scarier because you know, we
don't have Congress or you know, these subcommittees and whatever
the hell they set up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
I mean, how much back projects? Yeah, like how much
do they actually have.

Speaker 7 (01:25:08):
The control oversight of anything?

Speaker 5 (01:25:10):
Yeah, they don't, And we don't even really know who does,
because I don't even necessarily think it's our military that does.
I think this is a lot of this. Do you
think a lot of this is contracted? And these are
companies that have this technology?

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Yeah, it's all. It's basically all contractors. Ninety seven percent
of low Docky Martin's revenue comes from the federal government
ninety seven percent. They're basically just the R and B
arm of the Air Force essentially. At this point, I
was blown away to find out how incestuous the relationship was.
Sierra Nevada Corporation, the one that produced the Wami footags
that were watching m Ah Street seven to zero from above,

(01:25:45):
They're basically all their revenue is also from the federal government.
Nobody even knew they existed. Or what they were there,
major surveillance defense contractor, and when you look at who's
on the boards, it's all like generals, military intelligence people.
And so what you find out too is that there's
this huge incestuous relationship where they're sharing information and some

(01:26:06):
of these people know, like Peter t and Sam Altman,
aren't randomly investing in Healian fusion. Somebody told them that's
the secret sauce, that's the one you want to invest in,
which is sick to me because it means that it's
not just a matter of they want to protect us
from this. Certainly there's an angle to that. They're getting
rich off of it as well, and they're basically setting

(01:26:27):
up which companies are going to succeed in the future.
They know what stuff works and what stuff doesn't. They
know which fusion works, So that to me is probably
the scariest angle of this, which is why I want
to expose this stuff and tell people when Heli Infusion
goes IPO, if you miss out, don't blame me. Don't
blame me, because these people have inside information one hundred percent.

(01:26:48):
They have inside information about how this is going to
all play out ahead of time, probably years in advance.
And that's what I love about the MSHU seven zero videos.
They exposed that the United States government has this stuff,
and they expose this whole weird side of it that
the other flip side.

Speaker 8 (01:27:02):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I don't think everybody knows. Actually, I think a small
small percentage of people know, even people you would imagine
should know, Like Elon Musk has no idea. Elon Musk
has no idea. He would never go on Joe Rogan
and embarrass himself the way that he did. If he
had an idea about this, he would never go No,
Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman don't have any breakthrough propulsion

(01:27:24):
that that's crazy. If they had something like that, they
would be competing with me. That's like, he is too
smart to say something that stupid if he actually knew.
So I know a lot of people think Elon Musk knows.
I guarantee you Elon Musk does not know. And this
is what people need to start to realize, especially people
in the conspiracy world. Because people in the conspiracy world

(01:27:45):
everything's a conspiracy. Everybody's in on the conspiracy. It turns
out a lot of people, most people are not in
on it, even people that are very high level, and
it can turn out that it's not really a matter
of what your status is, although it certainly helps if
you're in the club. Right, it's more of like where
you're at from the spiritual awakening perspective. Yeah, like if
you're aware that this stuff is going on, then you

(01:28:07):
can be brought in. Right. They don't go around looking
for people to wake up. They go around looking for
the people who are already awake. Right, people are already
woken up. They want Elon Must to be stupid and
in the dark. They want them to think that we're
gonna go to Mars in a SpaceX rocket. Guys, that
is never, ever, ever, ever gonna happen. Nobody on this
planet is ever going to Mars in a SpaceX rocket.

(01:28:28):
Take it to the bank right now, at least not
at a conventional you know, explosion rocket. It's going to
be a fusion rocket.

Speaker 7 (01:28:34):
That's what I was going to say. If they use
that fusion while you're just talking about, then they could, yeah, exact.

Speaker 4 (01:28:38):
And I think that's too.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
Why you know, you've made such big waves in the
space of science and technology and advanced technology, and I
think there's a reason why you've not been brought on
to mainstream media. I even think there's a bigger probably
reason why you've not been on Joe Rogan. I mean,
I know Joe Rogan has brought on a lot of
people that have made a lot of claims, but there's

(01:29:00):
a lot of stuff. I mean, there's a lot of
stuff that you talk about that is very detrimental.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
And I also think that's why the government.

Speaker 5 (01:29:06):
You know, how many times have you reached out to
the government or entities in the government that they have
basically not given you the time of day because they
don't want to acknowledge you whatsoever. Yeah, I mean, they
don't even want to interact with you because then they're
going to have to have an answer for something that
you are questioning.

Speaker 7 (01:29:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Well, that's my favorite part about this is, like, you
know how many times I reached out to like the
Air Force and the DoD for public comments on the
videos and they just refuse to comment every Yeah, Like
it's clear their policy is no comments whatsoever right on
anything that could even potentially be a leak, Just no
comments whatsoever. And it's funny how scared the engineers are.

(01:29:44):
They're just like clearly terrified to talk to me. Most
of these guys, like Larry for is the guy that
invented the term lattice confinement fusion, which is just one
of the new names for cold fusion. He's a NASA guy,
you know, connected to how it put off a lot
of these guys. And I don't think he knew who
I was the first time emailed him, right, And then
I sent a follow up email where I was like,
more like the conversation we're having now, and then no

(01:30:06):
response ever getting after that, right, And it's because I
think they realized, like, oh now, this guy's like a
little a little too close to some of this stuff.
But some of them too, like I've been surprised. They
just they don't even know. Like Garrett Modell is a
professor of meretis at Physics Department at University of Colorado,
and he's got a free energy microchip. He's got the
results on a YouTube video that he said, you know,

(01:30:29):
we've we've ruled out artifacts and all these other things
that it could be, and we're just literally seeing this thing,
this microchip produce access energy. And even he doesn't know
about this. So I emailed him too, and I'm like
he was on this video with Charles Chase where he's
talking about his free energy microchip, and I'm going, do
you not realize why Charles Chase is talking to you
guys like a zero point one percent top Lockheed Martin's

(01:30:52):
skunkworks engineer, Like he's interested in your stuff because he
knows Lockheed Martin already has it right, and he wants
to see how you're doing. And I told him and
he's like kind of surprised. He couldn't believe it. You know,
I'm like, Okay, well, that's funny. Whatever you want to believe.
It's point being those that a lot of these people
aren't potentially just even people that are literally building this stuff,

(01:31:14):
because they come from this you know, normal worldview background
where whatever we have publicly must be the most advanced thing.
So don't necessarily just assume that everybody's nefarious who's saying
that this stuff doesn't exist? In a lot of cases,
it's just that we've been brainwashed so well.

Speaker 7 (01:31:34):
Yeah, and they just don't brainwash so.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Well that they just can't believe it.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
Yeah, that makes well.

Speaker 7 (01:31:38):
And I think a lot of times they don't connect
with you because I put Ashton in the category of
Albert Einstein Nikola to Chla, I really do. I think
that you're going to be in history books because you
do have a little brain that just goes and goes
and goes, and I don't even know where all that
brain comes from. You are so smart. And with that

(01:31:59):
being said, have you thought any more about my matchmaking goodness?
Here we go my matchmaking thing with Ashton, because we
did have people reach out, Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
I've had some bad experiences, you guys, on some of
this stuff. I don't really want to dig in all
the personal stuff here recently, but I've kind of just
stepped away from the love life situation recently. I've got
a bigger mission at the at the this exact moment.
But you know, maybe we'll work on you know, we'll
have a meet and greet or something like that at
some point in the future. We'll have an investigator mah

(01:32:29):
Street seventy X meet up.

Speaker 7 (01:32:30):
Maybe, Yes, that would be fun.

Speaker 5 (01:32:32):
That would be cool, ash and tell everybody what you're
working on where they can find you all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Yeah, so you know, now I'm digging deep into the nukes.
I think the last kind of thing I want to say,
relate to all this is that, you know, I've kind
of taken a slightly different approach now that I realized
that this is all related nukes, how serious it is.
You know, I'm not as concerned about convincing people about
that make Street seven zero videos being real. I think
that ultimately all this science will get out there and

(01:32:59):
people are waking. But I just want to say I'm
super proud of MHU seventy x, the community that I've
helped build and foster, because we are really influencing people
in a major way. Like I'm seeing it when I
watch mainstream physicists like Sabine Hasenfelder talking about zero point
energy and fusion way more than she used to. And

(01:33:19):
so it's not just me doing that, it's all of
you guys out there who are in people's replies asking
people questions, and you guys you Chad and Sherriet that
are like, you know, asking people about this, asking people
about these concepts. So thank you guys very much for that.
And you guys can find me at just x Ashton
on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram. The best place find me is
at just x Ashton on x where I engage quite

(01:33:41):
a bit, and then you can watch my live streams Monday,
Wednesday and Friday seven pm Central. I personally believe they're
some of the best science and physics live streams out there,
but I'm a little adviiased now.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
They're good. They're very good, Ashton. Thank you so much
for coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
We love having you on.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
And I mean it's been what two years now, I think,
since you've kind of been involved in this, since we
met you first, or at.

Speaker 4 (01:34:03):
Least first talk to you.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
And every time you come on, people learn something right,
and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Very important as as we are being lied.

Speaker 5 (01:34:11):
To so much in this world today. It's good to
have someone on that's actually out there fighting the good fight,
trying to tell people like what is actually going on,
and the amount of research and amount of work you've
done is commendable.

Speaker 7 (01:34:22):
And he's so good at explaining things to people like
myself that do not understand the things he's explaining. You
know what I'm saying. I feel like I'm in science
class every time I talk to him. I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:33):
Yeah, for sure, No, it's good, ash And well, thanks man,
thanks for coming on, and we'll definitely be checking out
your live streams in the future. Guys, that's gonna do
it for us. By the way, we do have merchandise.
New merchandise just dropped. We have hoodies, we have some
fall gear that is investigatorthstore dot com, and we got
some awesome designs and we're going to change him about
once every month, month and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:34:55):
It just depends.

Speaker 5 (01:34:55):
But once our I guess you can say limited line
goes away, it'll never come back.

Speaker 7 (01:35:01):
Yeah, And I'm hoping that Chad's gonna put my limited
line on next We are bugging him every day. I'm like,
what are you going to put mine on there?

Speaker 4 (01:35:08):
We're going to have it on there.

Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
But so many of you have been so supportive, supportive,
and and you know, there's been many of you there's like, hey,
I gotta buy you know these shirts.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
They're never going to be back.

Speaker 5 (01:35:18):
And we work very hard on the designs and oftentimes
it's about stuff that we talked about on the show.
But then also we just have Investigator Earth stuff right
so that that'll always be there.

Speaker 4 (01:35:27):
The hoodies, the shirts, all of that.

Speaker 7 (01:35:29):
And Ashton Forbes shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:35:32):
That would be so key with as face on there.
We're going to do it.

Speaker 7 (01:35:35):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
We are going to do it. But guys, that's gonna
be it for us in this evening.

Speaker 5 (01:35:41):
And the name of this song, by the way, is
Boom by Nick Caution because I think you know. And
by the way, Ashton does some dances every once in
a while. Don't know if he still does them.

Speaker 7 (01:35:51):
We can do him dancing on the T shirt.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Maybe that would be so key dancing Ashton.

Speaker 5 (01:35:55):
But at the at the at the end of Ashton's
live stream, sometimes he does some dances and they're pretty amazing.
And if he doesn't do them and I'm in the
live stream, or if he's not gonna do him, I'm
always in the live stream, like, hey, do the dance
the dance dance?

Speaker 4 (01:36:08):
Sometimes he can't get away from it. But anyways, that's
gonna be it for us. Guys, until next time. We
love you.

Speaker 7 (01:36:14):
Peace out, peace out, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:36:20):
Hey, hey, I gotta cut to the chase step.

Speaker 7 (01:36:26):
Everyone, give me some space, yet, don't fall out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:28):
We fall into place, show every.

Speaker 1 (01:36:30):
Step fucking with crace, Amen, keep him my foot off
the brakes, sweat impact. I'm ready to brace. Can we
fall down in land on our face? Still get up
and finding escape?

Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Wait?

Speaker 7 (01:36:41):
Baby, I'm trying to get paid.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
Damn, let's just go.

Speaker 7 (01:36:44):
Die in a break.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
They lived through the story they made. Okay, maybe I'm
trying to get paid. Let's just do die in the grass.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Hey, let's just don't die any want work.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
You're gonna play today, body backs up, it away.

Speaker 7 (01:36:57):
You're paved, hipped up like a.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Bathe in Nate of us then came and stayed.

Speaker 7 (01:37:01):
Not too many of him staying no bakes to get
it in, get right on every mistake. I give him
a bike.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
They taking a play. That's open a feeling that I'm
gonna shake. So why does he killing till them at
the gates? We straight, We treat him like words in
the lake they baked. Just give me your drum and
a bass. I skate and grundell. I'm numbing the face. Okay,
don't kick up my day. Don't talk about clutch.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
I got ic in my fence. I'm codd in tray.
I stick to the cold. I'm pitching the game. I
do anything for the win. At the end of the day,
I gotta cut to the chase. Still, Everyone give me
some space.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
Don't fall out. We fall in the place.

Speaker 1 (01:37:30):
Sure, every step fucking with prace ay man, keeping my
foot off the brakes.

Speaker 7 (01:37:34):
Squirt impact, I'm ready to pray.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Can we fall down and land on our face? Still
get up and finding escape? Wait? Baby, I'm trying to
get paid. Dem Let's just don't die in the break.
They lived through the story they made. Okay, baby, I'm
trying to get paid. Let's just don't die in the grass.
Let's just don't die anywhere. Baby, I'm trying to get paid.

(01:38:14):
Let just don't die in the crave. They lived through
the story they made. Okay, baby, I'm trying to get paid.
Let just don't die in the crave. Let just don't
die any wrong.

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