The Moon Landing Fraud with Bart Sibrel

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Hello, and welcome to Investigator Podcast. I'm your host Shadow
alongside my beautiful wife Sherry Tonight on the show, We're
diving into. One of the most controversial questions of our time,
was the moon Landing faked. Our guest Bart Cibrell filmmaker,
investigative journalist and author of moon Man, The True Story
of a filmmaker on the CI hit List. With over
four decades in television and film, Bart has produced documentaries

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like A Funny Thing to Happen on the Way to
the Moon and Astronauts Gone Wild, where he famously confronted
Apollo astronauts about their missions. His work challenges the official
story and raises serious questions about whether the Apollo missions
were history's greatest deception. Very very excited about the show.
We have been trying to get Bart on probably about
seven or eight months now. We've kind of just been

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back and forth. But guys, welcome to the show. It
is September third, twenty twenty five. The name of that
song is Need Your Touch Bart, Welcome to the show Man.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, thank you chat, how are you We are.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
Doing fantastic and very very excited about this topic. We
have done multiple episodes on the moon Landing, whether or
not it was staged, hoax, fake, And as we were
talking about before the show, you are more than just
a journalist and investigative journalist. You are an actual filmmaker
and you've kind of been in TV and production for
a long time. Can you give us a little bit
of your background.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
On the.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Well, I started out as an actor, and I've been
on stage about five hundred times, been in TV commercials
and teleplays and stage plays. And after doing I don't
know ten the first ten or so productions, I thought, well,
who were these anonymous writers who will never meet, whose

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words were treating like scripture? I could write a play.
So I started writing plays, and then after that I thought, well,
you know, some of these might make good short films.
I produced them as short films for local TV, and
that led to developing a television production company where in
Nashville I produced corporate films and TV commercials and music videos.

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So a filmmaker's job is to make fake scenes look real,
and that's how I noticed that the Apollo pictures were
in fact taken with electrical light, which means they're on
Earth and not the Moon.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, that is very interesting. So you've been obviously around
the movie industry, the TV, the production side of things,
and as you said, is that kind of what got
your mind into this moon landing deal? I mean, obviously
you were a producer first, a filmmaker. When did you
even get into this topic of, you know, the moon
landing possibly a fake moonlanding.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Well, I grew up believing they were real, and maybe
even more so than the average person. I was four
years old at the time of sleep in bed, but
my father was a high ranking officer in the Air
Force and he got a VIP package of maybe twenty
nine x twelve color prints from Apollo eleven that he
gave to me, and it was my cherished present. Wherever

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we moved, which was about every two years. They had
a prominent place on my bedroom wall. So from the
age of four to fourteen, if I only saw them
once a day, that would be three thousand, six hundred
and fifty times, assuming that they were on the Moon
and really being mesmerized by them, or you could say
hypnotized by them. And then when I was fourteen, I

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saw a gentleman who worked for the Apollo program for
six years with the second highest security clearance to von Braun,
who said that he edited a memo from von Braun
to the Pentagon warning them that the odds of going
to the Moon on the first attempt with untried nineteen
sixties technology was about a one in ten thousand champs. So,

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like having a bad hand in poker, they decided to bluff.
And in fact, there was no independent press coverage. It's
not like World War II happening on Earth in front
of billions of eyewitnesses. This was on the moon and
only three eyewitnesses ex military people. Richard Nixon, president at
the time, and the flight director later admitted that someone

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in the command center can tell no difference between a
quote simulated flight and a quote real flight. Someone in
the command center in Houston Control can't tell the difference
between a real or fake flight, then how could we
years later after our birth or as a four year
old watching it in our living room on television. So

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that planted the seed in my mind, and I went
to my bedroom wall and I'm like, oh, you know,
I never noticed that kind of like my eyes were
white shut and suddenly I saw that the foreground in
the background had a different color. It became out of focus,
and sure enough, a couple of years ago, the smartest
AI in the world, not available to the public, called

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Google's neural Network that they were showing off at an
AI conference. They would let a team of VIPs play
with it for a few days, and one had it
write a symphony, one had it write a novel, and
one took advantage of its deep fake detective program, which
has never been wrong. They fed it pictures of the
Moon's surface taken from unmanned Chinese probes from twenty eighteen.

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The pictures are real. It fed them pictures from the
Apollo mission. Nixon administration had said every single one of
them was a fake backdrop. Therefore Intelligence Studio, therefore the
Moon missions were indeed falsified. So I planted that in
my mind as a fourteen year old after spending ten

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years being gaga over the Moon missions, and then fast
forward another ten years at twenty four, I'd become a filmmaker,
and that was when I knew not only were they
taken with the electrical light. I could even tell you
what kind of an electrical light, because I owned them,
and the producer of that program I had seen as

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a fourteen year old ended up being one of my
clients as a twenty four year old. He put me
in touch with the gentleman who worked at NASA, and
he's the one who first suggested that I make a
movie which ended up being called A Funny Thing Happened
on the Way to the Moon, which you can see
in the homepage of sibrel dot com. That'ss is in

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sam ib as in boy R E L sabrel dot com.
And this seven year project was financed by a millionaire
who builds rockets for NASA, who knows that the Moon
missions are fake, who gave me a million dollars to
expose it, And I was producing the film under the
theory it might be true that they faked it, and

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lo and behold, we found classified footage which we put
in the movie, and we have them faking being halfway
to the Moon from Earth orbit, with a one foot
model of the Earth and a third track of audio
of the CIA telling them to fake a four second
radio delay to make it appear they're beyond Earth orbit.
And here we are, fifty six years later, and they

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still cannot leave Earth orbit, so that was what convinced me.
We have footage that two NBC News directors agree proves
that the missions were falsified and they were threatened by
the federal government not to broadcast it. So it's a sad,
sad day when you realize they actually did fake the

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moon landing. The poster child the conspiracy theories is actually correct.
They did fake the moon landing. And the longer it
goes on from nineteen sixty nine, the more foolish. The
original claim seems to be Lindberg flew across the Atlantic.
I think in nineteen twenty seven that was about three

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thousand miles. So what they're saying is fifty six years later, right,
which would be nineteen eighty two, the farthest and airplane
could flyes three miles. Because today, with fifty six years
better rockets and computers, the farthest that NASA can send
an astronaut into space is only one thousand the distance

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to the Moon. So how could they have a thousand
times greater techechnology in nineteen sixty nine when all of
NASA's computers combined had one million to computing power. Result, phone,
you can't have greater technology in the past and in
the future, because just ten years after they blew up
the atomic bomb, it was one thousand times more powerful.

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So if they could go to the Moon on the
first attempt with nineteen sixties technology, we would have been
on Mars. Ten years later, we'd been another solar system.
By now, there'd be bases all over the Moon. But
they cannot leave Earth or bit fifty six years later.
They've postponed returning to the Moon ten times. They said

(09:37):
ten times, we're going to return to the Moon in
five years, and they're not able to do it. Yeah,
because the bomb originally.

Speaker 5 (09:43):
Yeah, that's crazy. And what do you think is the
reason why we can't go to the Moon? Is it
because of the van Ellen Belt? Is it because of
lost technology or technology we simply do not have.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Well, there's nothing lost about it. It was destroyed. And
the reason it was destroyed, the schematics, the blueprints, the
telemetry data, the videotapes, is because it would prove to
be fraudulent. If you really went to the Moon and
spent an equivalent of two hundred and fifty billion dollars, Okay,

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the last thing you would do would be to destroy
it all. In fact, the only time in history you
might consider destroying a technology would be the atomic bomb,
but just ten years later it was one thousand times
more explosive. So if you really went to the Moon
and spent two hundred and fifty billion dollars, you would
never destroy that investment. However, if you perpetrated a fraud,

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that's exactly what you would do. There are multiple technical
reasons why they cannot go to the Moon, and that's
why they destroyed the hardware of the schematic, the blueprints,
and the original videotapes. They don't have enough fuel. Von
Braun said in his own writings that we uncovered to
go to the moon and one rocket is impossible. He said,

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it's mathematically irrefutable that the minimum it would take would
be three rockets. If each rocket weighed eight hundred thousand
tons taller than the Empire State building ten times the
way to the Queen Mary the Saturn five was only
two thousand, five hundred times instead of eight hundred thousand

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tons times three. It's a difference of ninety thousand percent.
Elon Musk just said, to go to the Moon, it's
going to take fifteen rocket fuel trips. To a fuel
station first, and then from there you may be able
to go to the Moon. A recent TED talk actually
says it's going to take twenty four fuel trips of

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rockets taller than the Apollo rocket in order to have
enough fuel to go beyond Earth orbit. We have Von
Braun on video saying the largest rocket we can build
can only achieve Earth orbit. So Saturn five it was
not capable of leaving her thorbit, and we have a
video that proves it. We have a classified tape you

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pop in it says don't show to the public. And
Neil Armstrong, Michael Collins, and Buzz Aldrin are using a
one foot model of the Earth in Earth orbit, pretending
they're halfway to the Moon, which means they can't go halfway.
They don't have enough fuel to leave her thorbit. And
then even if they did have enough fuel, like you said, Sherry,
there's this deadly radiation field that they would have to

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go through. And one of the clips at sibrel dot com.
My book is interactive. It's an audio kindlar print. I
write a chapter that I say go to link. One
link to one of the links is a NASA engineer
saying that the deadly radiation field exists, and it prevents
people from going to the moon. He says, we must

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solve these challenges before we send people through this region
of space, meaning the technology to survive going through the
radiation has not been invented yet. Yea, So we have
an admission from NASA saying they don't to this day
have the tech now, otherwise they would be on the Moon.

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I mean, look at the South Pole. It's one hundred
miles per hour wind, one hundred degrees below zero. But
there are people there because it's possible. If it were
possible to go to the Moon, there would be bases
there by multiple nations. But no one is there because
it's still not possible. So if it's not possible today,
how could it be possible in nineteen sixty nine on

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the first attempt.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
Yeah, and bored, I want to play a quick clips
two minutes. Just listen real quick. This is NASA essentially
openly admitting we can't go to the Moon.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Here you go, get further away from Earth, we'll pass
to the Van Allen Bells, an area of dangerous radiation.
Radiation like this gonna normally guidance systems on board computers
or other electronics on Orion, but Orion has protection shielding

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will be put to the test as the vehicle cuts
through the waves of radiation. Centers of board will record
radiation levels for scientists to study. We must solve these
challenges before we send people through this region and space. Hey,
we must solve these challenges before we send people through this.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Region of space ry.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
But we're also really pushing the boundaries in terms of
where we're going forward with exploration. I think humans are
naturally driven to do this, and this is really the
beginning I think of human beings leaving lower thorbit. I
certainly plan on being around to see that.

Speaker 7 (14:39):
The plan that NASA has is to build a rocket
called SOS, which is a heavy lift rocket, is something
that is much bigger than what we have today, and
then we'll be able to launch the Orion capsule with
humans on board as well as landers or other components
to destinations beyond Earth orbit. Right now, now, we only

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keep flying Earth orbit. That's the furthest that we can go.
And we only keep flying Earth orbit. That's the furthest
that we can go. And this new system that we're
building is going to allow us to go beyond and
hopefully take humans into the Solar System to explore. So
the Moon, Mars asteroids, there's a lot of destinations that
we could go to, and we're building these building block
components in order to allow us to do that eventually.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
So there you go. I mean, they openly admit we
can't go to the moon, yet they have tried to
pass off you know that we have been to the moon.
And can you explain a little bit bart about the
van Allen radiation belts. Is that essentially like sending someone
through a system that is how many more I guess

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how many more times powerful is that to X rays
as far as radiation goes.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well, compared to an X ray, probably be something like
ten thousand times more potent. Let's talk about those clips
for a second. I presume the third clip there were
three clips. The third one I couldn't hear is at
the Space Shuttle astronaut saying we hope to go to
the moon eventually. Is that what he said? Okay, yeah,
we hope to go to the moon eventually, meaning we

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haven't gone. The second clip, if I could ask you
to email me because I hadn't heard that one where
the female presumes Space Shuttle astronaut said, we hope this
is the beginning of leaving Earth orbit. Right. A second
confirmation from a Space Shuttle astronaut, and then the first
clip was an engineer of NASA saying that this radiation

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field that most people don't know exists. It begins one
thousand miles above the Earth. Every manned mission in space
has been below that, except going to the Moon. The
average orbital height is only two hundred and fifty miles,
so it's seven hundred and fifty miles before the radiation
except going to the moon. He says, we must solve

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these challenges radiation challenges before we send people through this
region of space. So there's two admissions. We must solve
these challenges, meaning the radiation protection challenges have not been
solved yet, he said, so we must solve these challenges.
We must do this in the future before we send

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people through this region of space, meaning people have not
been through that region of space before, otherwise they would
be dead. So that, yes, is one of the reasons
they cannot go to the Moon. They don't have enough
fuel to have gone in one rocket. They could not
have survived going through the radiation belt, meaning they never
left or thorbit. We have video footage of them pretending

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to be halfway to the Moon from or thorbit, dated
two days into the flight. And then the lunar module
claimed that it protected them from two hundred and fifty
degrees fahrenheit and got the inside down to seventy two
degrees on air conditioning running twenty four cents for three
days against two hundred and fifty degrees on a bunch

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of car batteries. And so that proves it. And this,
of course is why they destroyed the technology. Yes, so
you have one of the clips at sebrel dot com
saying they intentionally destroyed the Moon technology. Now why would
they do that? If they really went to the Moon,
that would be the last thing that they would do.
But if they faked it, that'd be the first thing

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they would do to cover their tracks because it could
be later proven. Yeah, it didn't have enough fuel, it
didn't have the radiation protection, it didn't have the air
conditioning battery power. Not to mention, von Braun said, if
you landed on the Moon, you would have a fifty
percent chance every twenty four hours of a catastrophic failure
from a micro meteorite because there's no atmosphere. Tens of

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thousands of micro meteorites are hitting the Moon every day,
and one of those will eventually go through your spacecraft
or spacesuit sitting there on the Moon. You'd have to
have a lead shield or go into a cave, which
they never did. So the fact that in twenty fourteen
NASA said they were going to have people orbiting the

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Moon in twenty eighteen, which they never did. They were
four years behind schedule, and in twenty twenty two they
had mannikins orbiting the Moon. Okay, so let me get
this straight. With nineteen sixties technology, you can play golf
and drive cars on the Moon, but with fifty six
years better technology, you can only have mannekins orbiting in

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the Moon because they would die from the radiation. In fact,
I asked NESSA for the Geiger counter readings that they
sent up in an unmanned probe into the radiation belt.
Their response was that is classified. And I'm like, wait
a minute, why would the temperature of a thermometer be classified? Right,

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you sent probes to the Sun. The amount of helium
in the Sun's atmosphere isn't classified? The amount of hydrogen
and Jupiter atmosphere in the classified Why would the temperature
outside or how much radiation is in the radiation be
classified unless revealing it would prove they didn't go to
the moon, which two Space Shuttle astronauts just admitted, we

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hope to have this as the beginning of leaving Earth
orbit and we hope to eventually go to the moon.
Please send me the second clip. Hadn't earned that one before?

Speaker 4 (20:24):
Well do and bor I got to ask you, so,
how many obviously you've been in this for quite a while.
I mean, you know you said your fascination really began
as yeah, as a child at fourteen years old, and
then going forward, like how many NASA staff or scientists
or witnesses or any like who did you actually interview
and research with and kind of talk about this with,

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And who was the most notable throughout your I guess
research that really stood out the most as far as
the people that you interviewed or talked with.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, Buzz Aldrin and I I've had many good conversations
on and off the record, and my follow up film
Astronaut's Gone Wild. He admitted on camera twice that I
was correct He says, oh, you must have an ego
to want to propel your career as a reporter by
reporting this, this great story, this great scoop. Well, how

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could I have become famous if I'm wrong? And then
he said him and the al Armstrong were just passengers.
No one actually piloted anything. They orbited the earth for
eight days. He admitted to a friend of mine that
the moon landings were fake. He admitted accidentally on camera.
You know the clip from about eight years ago where
a little girl asked him why haven't returned and he says, well,

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because we differed those in the first place. And so
he's been a great source. I've had private conversations with
Neil Armstrong where he basically said the moon or I
was correct, is what he said. And good luck proving
it because no one's going to want to believe it,
and he's correct. Because you know, whoever killed JFK. You

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could say it was this person or that person. It's
still a tragedy, right, just like nine to eleven. You
can change the hat on who did it and why
it's still a tragedy. This is different. This is a
positive lie. This is people saying my team won the
Super Bowl. You have Glenn Beck, super conservative, you have
Bill Maher, super liberal, both saying the moon missions are

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real because Americans were first on the moon. My team
won the Super Bowl. How dare you say that they
cheated by bribing the referee, under inflating the football, putting
you know, sleeping aids in the gatorade of the opposing team,
moving the goalpost. You see. But what if it's true?

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They don't want to hear it. I've talked to college
professors who our teaching aerospace at a major university in America,
and they said, even if Neil Armstrong confessed on national
TV that it was fake, they would still think he
walked on the moon anyway. They have literally made a
god out of this. Now, me, fourteen year old, I'm

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open minded. It doesn't you know. To me, it's irrelevant
whether they went or didn't go as far as a fact,
I'm just looking for the truth. If someone's on trial
for murder, I don't want them to be guilty. I
don't want them to be innocent. I just want to
know the truth. And that's what it boils down to.
People aren't interested in the truth anymore. And originally I

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even turned down this project because as I started investigating it,
with the shadows intersecting when they should be parallel, and
the weird behavior of the astronauts and the Soviets being
more advanced, they said, you know, something doesn't smell right.
And I have this kind of relentless, never give up personality.
I love puzzles, and I thought, if anyone could find

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out whether they went to the Moon or not, it
would be me. But if they indeed faked it and
I start overturning these rocks might be dangerous. So I
actually turned down the project. Originally. It wasn't until I
started reading the Bible and developing a conviction of right
and wrong and realizing that if they faked the moon landing,

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and I assure you they did, go to sibrel dot com.
You'll see all the proof necessary. If they faked the
moon landing, which they did, that's more profound historically than
if they had actually gone. Do you see that either
they planted a flag and came back, whether that was
a close one, or the most powerful nation on Earth

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that hypocritically says it represents truth and justice lied about
mankind's greatest accomplishment embezzled the sweat, the hard earned money
of their citizens, and even hired CIA agents to murder
people who were going to expose it. If that's true,
and I assure you it is, that's one of the

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most profound events in human history, not going to the moon,
but the shaking of the moon landing at a pride
and greed and really just immaturity, and that the governments
above people can in no way be trusted. This country
was founded not by the Constitution, by the Declaration of Independence.

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It said when any government becomes destructive of life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness, it is the right of
the people to alter or abolish it. Well, the first
one is life. I interviewed the widow of the man
who was going to be the first man to walk
in the moon, who was a whistleblower at NASA. Interviewed

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her for four hours. She says her husband was murdered
by the CIA, along with two other people who would
not cooperate with the moon landing fraud. I know of
an eyewitness who sow them filming the first moon landing
June first, second and third of nineteen sixty eight at
Cannon Air Force base where he was the chief of security.

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As he was dying, he even admitted to killing a
coworker to keep it a secret. So we have an eyewitness.
We have photographic evidence where shadows intersect at ninety degrees
when they should be parallel if they're in sunlight, proving
its electrical light. We have this footage that shows them
faking being halfway to the moon with the CIA on

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a hidden track of audio, and we have the logic.
You cannot have a thousand times greater space traveling technology
in nineteen sixty nine, then today you cannot have greater
technology in the past. There can't be a Toyota car
that gets three thousand miles per gallon in nineteen sixty
nine but only thirty miles to the gallon today. It's

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not possible.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
And I want to point out something to our audience
because I don't you know, there were probably people that
listen to this podcast. We've done this for eight years,
Bart and we build a loyal audience for a very
long time, and there's probably going to be people that
have not heard about you unless they connect you with
certain things. Now, I think maybe you are the only
person that has actually been in a fight with a

(27:16):
with an Apollo astronauts.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
And I wasn't in a fight. I was assaulted. Yeah,
a couple of follow astronauts.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
One of the buzz Auldron right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I asked him to swear on a bible that he
walked on the moon, and I called him a liar,
a coward, and a thief, which he is, but of
course I am as well. We've all sinned. And he
got mad and he punched me. Now, if I walked
on the moon and someone thought otherwise, I would find
that hysterically funny exactly. But what he acted was like

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I walked up to him in front of his wife
and said, oh, your mistress says hello. You see his
sword with no point causes no injury. He got mad
because I am I am correct. Another astronaut threatened to
shoot me, another one threatened to punch me, another one
kicked me from behind, and one we accidentally left alive
wireless microphone in his home with the doors closed while

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our camera was still recording in the backseat of the
rental car, and we hear clear as Crystal Kim and
his son discussing whether or not to call the CIA
to have me killed. Now, if I'm some silly person
who thinks the moon landing was filmed at Cannon Air
Force Base the year in advance, why would the CIA care?

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You see, why would have Pollo astronaut have the CIA
and his rolodex?

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Right?

Speaker 4 (28:38):
And I wanted to make a clear point here is
that I think that you you are one of what
Casey is the other one? Right, So as you and
Casey that has kind of been on this, but I
think you in large part have been the biggest thorn
in this CIA op, which is the moon landing for
a very long time. And we'll get into like what

(28:59):
is the what Well, you know, there's probably people listening
to said, okay, so if you're saying the moon landing
was faked, and we're going to get into some more
details of why we think is faked. But you know,
the bigger thing is people are asking, well, why would
they fake it?

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Right?

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Like what is the purpose of this? And why do
you believe that your life has been in danger? You know,
throughout this process because you feel like at some point
in time, obviously the ci knew about you, you know,
likely maybe even question whether or not to get rid
of you. And this was how important. This, this lie

(29:32):
that the government created and presented was what do you
feel like, let's just talk about this for a second.
What do you feel like the reasoning was behind the
big lie of the moon landing? What is the reason?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Well, originally I believed it was too full the Soviets.
So Solviets had launched the first satellite, the first animal,
the first man, the first woman, the first spacewalk, the
first crew of three, the first of two spacecrafts. At
the same time, for every ten hours we spent in space,
they spent fifty hours, five to one difference. Every single
space milestone they did first zero on the United States part.

(30:09):
So we bluffed. We made it appear that we had
greater technology than they did. I'm sure they found out
by now, and we can get into the fact that
they are blackmailing the United States and that's why they're
not going public with it. There's a lot of benefits.
They embezzled the money. This is during the Vietnam War

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where the Congress said you cannot go into Cambodia or Laos,
but they did so. Anyway, where did they get that
money from. If they're only orbiting the Earth, then they've
got about three quarters seventy five percent of two hundred
and fifty billion dollars left over to do what they
want with it, and then you can get down to
the core spiritual reason. When President Clinton, after he denied

(30:54):
having an affair about twenty times, finally admitted it, someone
asked him, why why did you do it? And he said,
because I could, because I could get away with it.
You see, if that's why they did it. According to
Bobby Kennedy Junior, who has more access to the JFK

(31:18):
file than Oliver Stone does, he is one hundred percent
certain that the CIA killed their president. Now, if that's
not election interference, I don't know what is. A couple
of years later, Congress was against entering the Vietnam War.
Ninety percent of Americans were against entering the Vietnam War,

(31:41):
just like on December sixth, nineteen forty one, ninety percent
of Americans were against entering World War II. Then Pearl
Harbor happened, and overnight ninety percent wanted to get even
so Robert mcnamurr, a Defense secretary under Johnson who took
over after Kennedy was killed, and we need something like

(32:01):
Pearl Harper, he admitted before he died that the CIA
and him fabricated a fake attack on American ship by
North Vietnamese ship in the Gulph of Tonkin. It never happened.
Congress passed a law called the Gulph of Tonkin Resolution

(32:21):
that started a war that killed three million people, fifty
two and twenty of their own citizens. You see. So
if they're willing to kill their own president, they're willing
to kill fifty eight two or twenty of their own
people and three million agents. I don't think they're going
to have a problem faking a video image of the moon.

(32:44):
You see, these same people are embolden. You rob a bank,
get away with a million, you rob another, get away
with two, you're just embolden. They got away with Kennedy,
they got away with the Gulf of Tonkin. They did
it because they could, because they could get away with it.
And then they didn't just do it one time, they

(33:04):
did it six times, ringing in that money off the
taxpayer's burden using those salaries, right, those tax checks that
sweat from somebody working on the roof in the hot sun.
By the time you pay all your taxes federal, state,
and local, you only keep half of your money. Yeah,

(33:26):
and a large portion of that went not only to
deceive Americans about the moon landing, had paid the salaries
of CIA agents who killed people who were going to
expose it. My source, and this is in my book
Moonman at sebrel dot com. It's in kindle, audio or print.
We have the confession of Cyrus Eugene Acres, who was

(33:48):
the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base who
supervised the security of the fake moon landing being filmed
in an airplane anger. He was given by President Johnsen
a list of VIPs who are allowed in. He kept
it as a souvenir. We published that in the book
a few months before the book was published. On confirming

(34:10):
all these details with his surviving son, and a couple
of days later, he's met by government agents who threatened
to kill him and his family if he ever speaks
to me again about his father's participation in the moon
landing fraud. We had the White House involved in investigating
with some blower protection. We had the United States Senate

(34:31):
Intelligence Committee involved in the local FBI to protect this person.
And this was only about three years ago. It's a
great embarrassment if it comes out that the US faked
the moon landing, an embarrassment on the international stage, and
people will revolt against the federal government if it comes out.

(34:52):
But what choice do we have If we don't admit
the truth, then the liars have won. And if any
president or future really wants to unite both political parties
against corruption, show them that they were played for as
suckers for six times. They were lied to and deceived

(35:15):
and robbed and murdered. Yeah, right about the moon landing fraud.
Show them that, and then you'll have an historic mandate
to reform the federal government because it's my estimate that
you could cut the budget in half and you would
only be getting rid of corruption and you'd have the
same services available.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
Yeah, this is what I call you know, even with today,
you know, back in the day moonlanding, JFK assassination. Look
how long has taken us. I mean with the amount
of time is taken for the JFK files which are
still highly redacted, you know, and even the moon landing
and everything surrounding that. And it's like now it's like
in your face, you know, it's like now they just

(35:58):
it's so obvious how the American people in so many
ways are being screwed our tax dollars. What they're being
used for. Think about USA I D or or all
of these various programs to where they funnel or laund
your money through these you know BS companies or organizations
or NGO's primarily is what they use this for. But

(36:18):
it's like the moon landing was a huge stepping stone
into where we're at now. I mean, do you ever
think about that as far as just how blatant they
are now?

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Oh yeah, well redaction is blatant. It'd be like me
buying a car from you a chad, giving you cash,
and you give me a hubcap and you say like, well,
where's the rest of the car. You say, well, it's redected.
It's my car. I pay I paid for it. The
redaction should be illegal unless it's some military hardware that

(36:50):
we want to keep secret against a foreign power. That
should be the only exception. Redaction should be illegal. It's
our government, it's we're paying the salaries of the people
at the CIA, so anything they do belongs to us,
right yeah, So therefore redaction is spitting in the American

(37:12):
public space, right yeah, where's my car? You can't just
give me a hubcap after I paid for it?

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Would anyone think that was right? Would that fly in
a court of law? No, I paid Chad thirty thousand
for the car, but he only gave me a hubcap. Well,
Chad's right, I'm sorry, No, no one would see it
that way. So why did we redaction that way? And
that's the situation that we're in. We're so deceived. Every newspaper,
every television station, every magazine, every radio station said men

(37:43):
were on the moon when they were in Clovis, New
Mexico a year earlier on videotape. I mean, come on,
So if they're at large, then what are they deceiving
us about? Right now?

Speaker 3 (37:54):
All right?

Speaker 4 (37:55):
So, bor, I want to get into this because people
are probably asking, like just very physical, methodical, reality based questions,
how did they fake the moon landing? Would like if
we if we could, if we could pull up the
moon landing videos and how did they fake this? Like?
What what did they do in the studio? You as
a filmmaker, someone that kind of knows this realm and

(38:17):
especially even the lighting, how did they pull this off?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Like? What was there?

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Was it hard to pull this off? Especially back then.
Obviously nowadays it'd be pretty easy. And I've always said,
like even with AI today, you know, we all have
access now the Chat, GBT or all these various AI programs.
But I believe that the United States government. I'm not
saying that they had it back in the sixties, but
what I am saying is that I think the United
States government has had access to AI advanced AI programs

(38:43):
long before the public ever had access to them. And
I'm not saying that that's how they did it, But
what I'm saying is like, how did they pull this
off to make it believable for the American public on
television back then? I mean, what was the film process?
Where did they film it? How did they get these
you like some of the pictures of looking back at

(39:05):
Earth so on and so forth.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Well, they were redacting it as they went along. During
the alleged landing, there were no live pictures. You had
an ATARI graphic and it said simulation. So literally, while
they're allegedly landing, there's no video footage. Now, if they
were really there, and I was the NASA director, I
put a camera on the side of the rocket. Have
it on twenty four to seven and have it show

(39:30):
the Moon getting bigger, bigger all the way down with
that an edit. But they didn't do that, They said simulation.
During the landing, a switch was flipped and you see
this grainy black and white image that they intentionally distorted
by four generations, which was filmed at Cannon Air Force
Base on videotape. You had everybody wanting to believe it.

(39:52):
You had Walter Cronkite saying it was real. You had
Time Magazine saying it was real. Everybody said it was
a real. Everyone wanted it to be real because how
could you guarantee that your team will win the Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (40:08):
You cheat?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
How can you guarantee that they will be successful going
to the Moon? You falsify it? And that's it. They
did it in a TV studio. Everyone was convinced from
this black and white image, which probably could have been
shot in someone's backyard with the spotlight. It's the higher
resolution still pictures that bring into question whether or not

(40:31):
they were using fake backdrops, which the recent AI said
that they were. One of the alleged defenses of the
moon landing is that it involved hundreds of thousands of people.
How can you keep a secret from that many people.
Well you can't, so they weren't told. I mean, come on,
do you really think the CIA is so stupid to
tell the person making the glove or the door handle

(40:51):
or the boot they were really not going to the moon.
Be sure not to tell anybody. That's like saying what
the CEO of a bank and what the four hundred
thousand and bank tellers know about corruption is identical, completely different.
And if a guy in the command center cannot tell
the difference between a practice flight and a quote real flight,
then nobody can tell, except of course, the AI, which

(41:14):
examined the pictures recently, have said they all had fake backdrops,
which means they were taken in a TV studio. I mean,
go to sibrawl dot com. On the homepage, I show
a video the moon landing fraud in three minutes where
if you go outside on a cloudless day and look
at two trees, two telephone poles, two people standing, these

(41:35):
shadows will always be parallel because the sun is the
only light source, as it was said to be on
the Moon. And yet we have a picture taken from
the alleged last mission where shadows are intersecting at ninety degrees.
We're objects five feet apart. That proves it. I mean,
come on, that cannot be replicated in sunlight. You can
prove the moonlanding is fake with one picture, but people

(41:58):
don't want to accept it. People say the moon landings
must be real because the government wouldn't lie about such
an important thing.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Well and bart you know, keep it in mind too.
You know JFK was assassinated in nineteen sixty three, right,
so then you supposedly have the moon landing in nineteen
sixty nine, and during that period of five years, you
had public distrust for the government at an all not
an all time loan, I mean in comparison to today,
But at that time there was a lot of public
distrust to the government and there was a lot of

(42:29):
people speculating about jfk assassination. And then five years later
you had the moon landing, which was almost like a
if you remember the day or week or months after
the nine to eleven tragedy, right, and where there was
a lot of weird stuff that kind of happened before that,
but then it was like, for once there was people
that were together on something. They were Americans, there were patriots,

(42:50):
and they're like, you know what, we're going to come
together now and we're going to go to Afghanistania. We're
going to f up all these people that did this
to us, and we're going to go to Iraq even
though there's not weapons of mass structure and they're telling
us it is come to find out there wasn't. But
it's like, you know, five years later, now we have
a moon landing, we have patriotism back, we believe in
our country again, and you know, this is all something

(43:11):
that is just rolling to where it's like, let's forget
about JFK being assassinated and everything that happened there. And
I'm not saying that's why the moonlighting happened, but it
is kind of convenient, right, I mean, five years later
and then, you know, keeping in mind JFK was the
one who set the moonshot goal in his famous nineteen
sixty one speech, which he said before this decade is
out of landing a man on the moon and returning

(43:35):
him safely to Earth. That is what he said in
nineteen sixty one speech. And it's almost like an homage
to JFK five years later that we finally landed on
the moon. Although so many people why questions even with
the JFK assassination, have you thought about that?

Speaker 1 (43:52):
Well, yeah, as I'm listening to you chat, it's like
a child molester giving a child their favorite candy and
now you have child defending the child molester. Yeah, and
that's what you have. You have this Stockholm syndrome of
the American public because they were given the sweet candy
that they wanted. America won, America put people on the moon,

(44:14):
not Russia. How great we are, how great science is,
how great aerospace is. They've made a god out of it.
They are defending their own criminals, which is pretty sad.
But what can you do? This is what we're up against,
and it's going to take historic leadership in Washington to
admit the truth, regardless of the cost.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
Well, let me ask you this. I don't want to
get off topic too much, but how do you feel
like the position of our government now versus the moon
landing days, the JFK assassination days. Do you feel like
we have moved forward or backwards as far as public
trust to the government, And like, what is your thoughts
on that? I mean, you know, especially with Elon and

(45:00):
OJE and USAID and then, but then you also have
you know a lot of people vote for Trump.

Speaker 5 (45:05):
Yeah, well, and CIA still lying to us, is FBI
is still lying to us, all.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
The intelligence agencies consistently. But now it's like Trump keeps
calling the Epstein files a hoax and all this like,
have we moved forward or are we moving back as
far as trust to with Americans?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Well, I think over time things are just getting more
and more corrupt. The food supply is becoming more and
more poisoned, the air is becoming more and more poisoned,
and the federal government is becoming more and more corrupt.
If they wanted to end corruption, they would show the
American public that they were deceived about the moon landing

(45:44):
six times. But they have yet to do that. One
of the things in my book, I think it's the
second to the last chapter, or maybe it's the last
chapter what to do about this mess? Where I propose
that presidents are not allowed to appoint the department heads
of the EPA, FDA, CDC, that those people are elected

(46:06):
from within. So you have corrupt presidents coming in and
appointing corrupt leaders over every single department. You have the
rank and file of the FBI hardworking, patriotic, honorable US citizens.
But they are told, if you pursue this corruption case
against the senator or president, you'll be fired and then

(46:27):
they won't be able to pay their mortgage right or
maybe they'll plant drugs on them. So everything is under
control of this corrupt system, and the best way to
get rid of it was simply to be the telling
the truth about the moon landing fraud. Get people's intention,
show them how much they were treated as suckers and

(46:47):
how they are so disrespected by the people in Washington.
The moon landing fraud may have killed the fewest number
of people compared to the JFK witness lists, or nine
to eleven, but it's still one one that has burned
into people's hearts so that if they are told the truth,
it will outrage them the most to go about change,

(47:08):
But we don't have it that way. Back when I
think Reagan was president, you can only own one TV
station and one radio station and one newspaper. All that
was thrown out with the Clinton administration. Now you can
own as many as you want. A recent survey a
few years ago surveyed one thousand, five hundred news outlets

(47:30):
on a topic of whether or not the CIA should
assassinate shavas in South America, and one hundred percent of
one thy five hundred news agencies said that was a
great idea. One of the clips at sabrau dot com
is a clip of news story and if you look
at the bottom right hand corner, it shows NBCCBS, ABC,

(47:51):
and Fox telling a news story the same word for word.
So why did this little thing go on for the
last three years? Because every newspaper, every TV station got
people fearful, even though a former executive of a certain
pharmaceutical company says they are manufacturing the reason to take

(48:14):
this medicine for an unless you don't even have Every
newspaper said men were on the moon, right, Every newspaper
said airplanes brought down the skyscrapers nine to eleven. Every
newspaper said Oswald killed Kennedy, right, And so this has
just gotten worse instead of better.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yeah, And by the way, in chapter four, you had
talked about how you felt like the media played a
huge role in shaping the public belief on the moon landing,
And how do you compare what we see in mainstream
media mockingbird media today? I mean, how much. Do you
think media really did play a role in this? I
mean even I think you had mentioned in the book,

(48:54):
like one small step was kind of their tagline, right,
It's kind of like like during COVID, safe enough, right,
save and effective, Save and effective, Save and effective, one
small step, one small step, one small step. So all
you consistently heard is patriotic.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
It was great.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
But mainstream media did they play a huge role in
this as well? And do you think they I mean,
not necessarily knew, but like they were instrumental in this
whole uh, selling the American public in the world to
what we did, you know, as far as our advancements
in space and rocket technology and all this.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Well, there was no critical thinking. They did fake the
moon landing, So why wasn't there at least one reporter
at the time questioning the authenticity of it. I showed
the footage we uncovered them faking being halfway to the
Moon to a reporter at the Washington Post. He agreed
it proved that the moon missions were fake, but he
said if he did a story about it, he would

(49:50):
be fired. I had two NBC news directors. They were
going to broadcast a story nationwide that the Moon missions
were faked, showed the footage, They flew me to New York,
put me up to the Waldorf for story, paid me
thousands of dollars for the exclusive license to break the story,
and they back down by threat of the federal government.

(50:12):
So there is no independent coverage. People are just regurgitating
what they're told. There's no critical thinking, and that's pretty sad.
One of the solutions that I come up with is
that news should not be allowed constitutionally to be owned
by corporations. It should be a nonprofit public entity where

(50:32):
reporters are chosen by lottery and are rotated, and any magazine, radio,
TV station has to provide maybe ten percent of their
content for this independent news. And the Monroe doctrine used
to be in existence that set if someone thought, you know,
fluoride was good for you, they would have to present

(50:53):
the opposing view that fluoride was bad for you, and
they threw that in the garbage. That is no longer law.
They need to be reinstated there. I have a solution
for Congress in the Senate. The first democracy two thousand
years ago chose their elected officials by lottery. If you
can choose a jury by lottery that decides life and death.

(51:17):
I think we can have people chosen by lottery as
to decide whether or not to put contains GMOs on
a bottle of ketchup. So if you have Congress in
the Senate chosen at random, you get an average cross
section of people. They have one five year term. They
nominate among themselves five candidates for president. Those are publicly

(51:39):
debated and voted on until we have a president who
wasn't actually appointed by any political party. They were chosen
at first by a lottery of about four hundred and
thirty five people. And that would be a way to represent.
You would have one term limits on everything. You can
be governor, wants mayor, want sheriff, wantz president once and

(52:00):
that's it. Yeah, So there needs to be an overhaul
of the rules of government. And because the way that
we have it now it's not working because they killed
their own president. They did nine to eleven, They faked
the moon landing. They fake this thing for the last
three years, and it looks like it's getting worse instead
of better.

Speaker 3 (52:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:21):
I want to ask a question too, and I want
to get to a couple of things. Number one of
the communications Yeah, that's what.

Speaker 5 (52:29):
I was getting ready to ask, because a lot of
people probably have not read your book, and they should
go read it. But in your book you talk about
when they're halfway to the moon. Can you explain that
a little bit more, what you're talking about with the
four second delay.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Well, you could pull that up. That'd be a great
audio clip to play if you want to be searching
it while I'm describing it. Basically, this segment that I
uncovered that proves the moon landings are fake, I popped
in a tape and said do not show to the public,
and it's an unedited real of a special effect shot.
What people are seeing is a mostly black TV screen

(53:05):
with a little blue tennis ball sized Earth in the
middle of it. They allegedly have the lens at the
glass of the spacecraft window and are filming this tiny
Earth far away to prove that they have left Earth
orbit and are on their way to the Moon. Looking
back at the Earth, the lights come up. The camera's
really at the back of the spacecraft and in the

(53:27):
foreground is a circular window, outside of which it's filled
with the Earth and lower thorbit, but with the lights out,
it appears to be the Earth floating in space. At
the beginning of the tape, you hear NASA say, hey,
Goldstone says, the TV picture looks great. There's exactly four
seconds of dead air one two, three four, and then

(53:50):
you hear a third party that's not NASA, not the astronauts,
it says talk, and then Neil Armstrong speaks. The fact
is they never left Earth orbit, which is only two
hundred and fifty miles above the Earth, so they could
have instantaneous conversations back and forth. If they were really
one hundred and thirty thousand miles out and going through

(54:11):
all this analog equipment, there would be a delay. They
estimated four seconds, so two seconds out, two seconds back
from halfway to the moon. And so Neil Armstrong was
being prompted to speak only after a four second delay.
So we have them faking a radio delay right in

(54:32):
order to pretend that they're halfway to the moon. The
lights come up and they're actually using a one foot
model of the Earth, and this is the footage. It's
at the homepage of sebral dot com. It's in the film.
A funny thing happened on the way to the Moon.
And if you're in a room or a theater with
people watching this part of the movie, they just gasp,

(54:52):
oh my gosh, because you see them faking being halfway
to the moon with the fake Earth. It's come up
and it's not really the Earth floating in space. It's
really the circular window of the spacecraftch what they've made
up to look like the Earth floating in space. We
catch them lying, we catch them faking being halfway to
the moon, which they would never have to do if

(55:14):
they really could go halfway to the moon. So that's
what convinced me. I was producing the film under the
theory it might be true. But three and a half
years into the seven year project, I found that footage
and I'm like, oh my gosh, they actually did fake
the moon landing. How sad is that? So we have

(55:34):
one of the greatest events in human history is the
juvenility of the federal government and the arrogance and the
corruption that they fake the moon landing and it's still
not known. It's like the public has cancer and are
not being told about it. We have to tell the
truth about it in order to be saved.

Speaker 5 (55:57):
So do you know how far in orbit we are
actually can go? Today?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Well, behind that base shuttle has gone with people on board.
Is this shy of four hundred miles which is about
six hundred miles before the field of radiation begins, which
is thirty thousand miles stick. So from a distance of
six hundred miles, which is the highest altitude I'm sorry,
from four hundred miles, which is six hundred miles away,

(56:25):
the astronauts could close their eyes and see the radiation
and the radiation belts as sparks of firecrackers hitting the
retinas of their closed eyes. So imagine there's a meltdown
of a nuclear reactor six hundred miles away. You turn
that direction, close your eyes, and you can see the
radiation I mean pretty severe. They originally said it was

(56:47):
approximately one hundred times a lethal dose. So not only
do they need to make multiple fuel trips, they're going
to have to bring up a bunch of lead shielding
in order to go through the radiation belt.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
Yeah, I agree, And I also want to say too,
you know, you also had talked about the absence of stars.
Is that a thing in space? Like would you still
be able to see stars? You know, based on the
videos and everything we see in the famous video from.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
The Moon or you know.

Speaker 4 (57:18):
And also you had said earlier to where when they
were actually landing on the Moon that was a you know,
a simulation or some type of you know, video that
was not actual. Yeah, yeah, I mean, but what I'm
saying is it was a animation. But would there be
stars on the Moon? Could you still see those just

(57:38):
like you would see them on Earth.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Sure. When Neil Armstrong was asked about it, though, he says,
I don't remember, and then Michael Collins jumps in and says,
remember you didn't see any, But he wasn't there. Only
buzz Aldron and Neil Armstrong were on the surface of
the Moon. He was allegedly orbiting the command MOK and
lunar orbit, which of course they never did either. So

(58:03):
in the written transcript it says that buzz Aldrin reminded
him you didn't see any, when in fact it was
Michael Collins. So the lightning strikes twice in the same place.
The fact is you would see the stars. There are
pictures of the Space Shuttle launch at sunrise where you
see the sunrise, the Space Shuttle and stars in the background,

(58:24):
and that's with a thick atmosphere on Earth. They couldn't
fake the astrological position of the constellations, especially with the
movement of the Earth rotating and the movement of the
Moon around the Earth. They couldn't fake it, so they said,
let's just not talk about it. What they could have
done is taking a picture of the stars by themselves.

(58:46):
They say, well, they don't show up in the photographs
because the aperture or iris was closed because of the
bright sunlight. I can see that, But why not just
open the iris and tilt it up and take a
picture of the stars. She would have been clearer than
any telescope on Earth, which they never did. They never
took a telescope to the Moon, but they took a car.

(59:08):
Would you even drive far away from your only life
support to where if it broke down, you'd have to
walk back and use it all your oxygen? I don't
even think you would do that. Do you realize the
wall of the lunar module, the thinnest part, was one
eighth of an inch of aluminum foil that you could
put your toe through, your pubbo, through your nose, through

(59:29):
your inkpin through. Would you even get in a spacecraft
and that had one eighth an inch of one or
two layers of aluminum foil as its wall. Would you
even do that as an intelligent person? I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (59:45):
Well, Bart, I got to ask you this too because
we have our next guest on the show tomorrow, which
will be released I think Friday or Saturday, I don't know.
But is Ashton Forbes, have you saw any of this
stuff about m A Street seventy Have you saw any
of that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
I don't know what. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
Okay, So M A three seventy is the Malaysian Airlines
flight that disappeared.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
Do you remember that where that it was like, oh, yeah,
we're basically no debris at all, correct, Yeah, no debris.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
And then Ashton Forbes, which he it was our podcast
he was he was the first well he our podcast
was the first podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
He went on.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
And then he has been driving this kind of subject
and narrative through about like if you look at some
of these videos that came out over the past I
don't know, two or three years, I guess they actually
originally came out in twenty fourteen, right around the same
time Malaysian Airlines flight disappeared. Supposedly this was a whistleblower
that releases his videos that show these orbs that are

(01:00:46):
circling the plane. Then the plane gets disappeared. Have you
saw any of these videos online anywhere?

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
I mean, I think they're fake. I think I think
the government hijacked the plane and the UFO is red
hearing for people to chase after. I think the government.
The plane landed, you can basically trace it. It goes
a certain direction, then it makes a turn, and then

(01:01:14):
right after it flies over a military base on the
coast and makes another turn. So it actually landed at
that military base, I believe, and a dummy aircraft took
off in its place with its transponder while the other
one landed. And they did something with the people, kidnapped
the people, and they're going to love any misdirection that

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can happen. How many congressional hearings are there about the
jfk assassination Zero. How many congressional hearings are there about
nine to eleven, even though three thousand engineers say it's
impossible for a Pinel airplane to cause them to be demolished. Zero.
How many congressional investigations are there about the moon landing

(01:02:01):
fraud despite me bringing it to the White House's Senate
Intelligence Committee attention and FBI's attention zero. So why are
there congressional hearings about UFOs because they want us to
believe them. I just came out with the book at
sebral dot com called Aliens from Planet X. It has

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twenty nine I believe interactive video links and it talks
about the fact that UFOs are indeed real, but they're
not from matter space. They're from Earth. And von Braun,
who faked the moon landing, said before he died, the
government is going to fake an alien invasion, so they
leak out these cantalyzing bones to give to salivating UFO

(01:02:46):
researchers to go after this guy. They've been trotting around
the TV stations recently. When pressed on the issue, did
you personally see an alien? Did you personally see alien spacecraft?
He said no, but people in the government told me
they were real.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
Well, and Bart and bar I think, I think I
think too. What I'm asking you and and I think
you're not actually far off from Ashton's investigation in his
work is you know Ashton believes and we've had many
episodes on UFOs. You know, the repossibility, yeah, reversus engineering
all this. But Ashton has and if you've not followed

(01:03:25):
or looked at any of Ashton Forbes stuff, you should.
I mean, he's he's a genius, dude. He he has
researched and and done everything, zero point energy and all this.
He believes that these videos are real, right, and the
videos where it shows these orbs kind of circling the plane.
I know, there was like some YouTube video that said, oh,

(01:03:47):
this is fake, that this is probably you know, some
type of special effects or CGI or whatever. Although no
one yet has been able to replicate it. There was
even a we even, uh we even put up twenty
five thousand dollars. It was one hundred and fifty thousand
dollars bounty for anybody that could either replicate or bring
for the original videos of this video that ash has

(01:04:09):
been pushing a lot. And Ashton believes that this is
US government technology that we have that is hidden. And
we're talking about these orbs that may have zapped this
plane out of thin air. I know it sounds crazy,
but just hear me out. So we had put up
a bounty because we're like, you know what, twenty five
grand we'll put in twenty five grand. If someone can
bring up the videos or show the videos, there's one

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hundred fifty thousand dollars bounty. I think it maybe got
to almost one hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. And
Ash has been on every podcast Imaginable. He's you know,
he's big on this zero point energy advanced technology. He
believes that the government, in the large part, a lot
of the stuff that we're seeing it, whether it be UFOs,
tic TAC videos, you name, it, is reverse engineering and technology.

(01:04:50):
It is advanced technology they're hiding from us. And he
believes that the Max three seventy videos, like what you
see on the FLEAR and some of the other cameras,
if you look it up where these orbs are kind
of circling a plane in this thing zapp side of
the sky, it kind of goes along with what you're
saying as far as the Project Bluebeam or kind of
you know, setting up a thing to where it's like

(01:05:12):
an alien invasion. But I guess my question to this
is is that regardless of whether you believe those videos
or not. Since we are going to have ashen on
tomorrow and we'll probably talk about this interview with Ashton,
if do you think it's possible. I guess that the
United States government has technology like this, right, And if

(01:05:33):
we think about Project Blue Beam, and we think about, like,
do you believe more on the alien side of stuff?

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
I think he's saying more aliens from Earth, not from
outer space.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Yeah, but or or could it be just advanced government
technology that is not revealed yet. And if that's the case,
if say, for example, that the videos that Ashon has
presented that are out there everywhere on the internet, if
you just look up in a street seventy X or
you go to ashton forbes x account. I mean, he's
got a huge account over there. If you look at

(01:06:05):
any of his videos, look at the videos and just say,
for example, for one second, let's just pretend that we
know for sure that those videos are real, and then
let's just say that those videos are advanced technology. How
would you explain that. I guess with what we're talking
about today, like as far as the moon landing nineteen sixties,

(01:06:27):
we don't have that technology. But yet somehow we have
these orbs that can zap planes out of the sky
potentially or maybe replicate themselves in ways that we feel
like they are UFOs to where they move at breakneck
speeds beyond physical or G force capabilities of the aircraft
that we actually have today. How could we have possibly

(01:06:47):
have that but we can't get back to the moon.
Do you understand what I'm trying to ask. I'm trying
to I'm trying to ask the question.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Say, basically, you've answered the question by bringing up project
blue being bluebeam, as far as I understand, is a
holographic projection. I can project a laser or an image
of a UFO in the sky and have it make
a ninety dere return, have it stop on a dime
after going on thousand miles per hour, you see, because
it's just an image being projected. That's how they can

(01:07:16):
defy all these laws of physics, because it's simply light
being projected. Again, the government is going to tell you
the opposite of the truth. They want you to believe
in UFOs. That's why they're having UFO disclosure. What about
moon landing fraud disclosure? What about nine to eleven disclosure?
What about JFK disclosure? They don't do that, you see,

(01:07:39):
So why are they doing it here? Because they want
you to believe it. Keep in mind von Braun, who
faked the moon landing, said they're going to fake an
alien invasion. My new book, which is Audio Kindlar Print
Aliens from Planet X. My opinion is the same as
the experts. My opinion as to who killed JFK is

(01:08:01):
the opinion of the experts, and the experts say it
was the CIA. My opinion about this thing for the
last three years is the opinion of the experts. When
someone is a vice president of virology at a certain
pharmaceutical company for ten years who says the reason to
take it is being fabricated and it's not good for you.
That's my opinion. So we have Jacques Valet and Alan Heinek,

(01:08:23):
the top UFO researchers, who after forty years of research
independently came to the same conclusion. Number one, UFOs are real.
Number two, they're not from outer space. They're demonic oka
See so does demonic mean? You go back to the
Bible and it says that the flood was created to

(01:08:47):
get rid of fallen angels hybrid breeding with people. And
yet it says the Nephelim survived somehow the flood anyway,
So how do they survive. Maybe in fallen angel technology
craft that can go into the ocean and up in
the air and whatever. So maybe it is technology that's

(01:09:10):
more advanced, but it would be from fallen angels according
to the book.

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
But you don't think this is us though.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
You don't think the United I think that fallen angels
they're liars, right, Yeah, Apollo is a polyon in the
Book of Revelation, which means lucifer. It means liar. They're saying,
right on the side of the rocket, this is a lie, right,
And so they're going to lie to people in the

(01:09:38):
government and claim to be aliens from some you know,
planet three hundred light years away that they can't prove
or disprove, right, So it's not going to say they're
fallen angels. They're going to lie. So you think and
so they're they're rescurating as extraterrestrials, and that is, you know,

(01:09:58):
the same conclusion that the top Bufo researcher said that
UFOs are real. They're not from outer space, they're from Earth,
and they're demonic because during alien abductions, people invoke the
name of Jesus and the aliens run away. Why would
an alien run away from the name of jab Sherry, Bart, Buddha,
Muhammed or Jesus. Why would they care? Right? And then

(01:10:20):
you go into further if you go look at Leviticus,
it says not to cross breed species. But when you
do it anyway, when you take a horse and a
donkey to get a mule, the mule is sterile. It's defective.
Every time you want a mule, you got to go
back to a horse and a donkey, which means that
nephilim are sterile. That's why during UFO abductions they harvest

(01:10:44):
sperm and eggs. They have to reproduce by doing it
over and over again. That's why all of the presidents
except one are of the same bloodline. It says in
Genesis three point fifteen God will cause a war between
the future of spring of Lucifer and the future offspring
of Adam. There are two bloodlines, the Luciferian bloodline. That's

(01:11:06):
why it's sixty sixty six in the World Economic Form logo,
six sixty six in the CERN logo, six six six
in the Google logo. These people literally worship Lucifer and
it doesn't matter whether you vote for Red or blue.
They're both of the same corrupt bloodline, you see. And
that's what this book talks about. I just published it

(01:11:27):
bro dot com. There's an audio, kindle of print. And
then I also talk about a potential rogue planet coming
near the Earth in the near future, which will be
the excuse misdirection for aliens appearing. They'll claim, Hey, they
use the planet as their spaceship. It's by the Earth
now and that's why they're appearing, when in fact they've

(01:11:48):
been here all along.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Bart, Yeah, you just live on mind. No listen.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Yeah, a nail in the head right now.

Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
There, absolutely, because I'm telling you, Bor, I know you
don't listen to our podcast, but if you listener podcasts
over the past like six months, you would understand that
everything you just said is insane. Like our listeners are
going to be like, holy shit, did he literally just
say all that?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:12:12):
And the reason I wanted to touch on that is
because we do have Ashton coming on and Ashton, like
I said, Bart, like you, I believe you are a
brilliant mind as well for sure, and I think that
like your research and everything you've done and everything that
you have pushed forward is instrumental to our future. You know,

(01:12:33):
if it isn't for people like you, then who's going
to do it right? And I also feel the same
way about Ashton because Ashton is on the sense of like, hey,
this is government technology that I believe is being put
into the UFO realm. So Ashton believes a lot of
what we're seeing is just they want to push the

(01:12:53):
UFO narrative because they're trying to hide our technology. But
most of the time, like when we talk about this
type of stuff, I do believe your side more than
a lot of sides, Like this is the stuff that
we've talked about over and over again. The Watchers, Nephlin,
the Book of Enoch. Uh, you know what are we
seeing in our sky today? Are they from another planet?

(01:13:15):
Or are they from Earth? Are they the demon bound
spirits that are on Earth?

Speaker 5 (01:13:18):
And I'm going to go ahead and tell you that
Chad and I have seen these things firsthand.

Speaker 4 (01:13:23):
Yeah, we we've talked about that quite a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Oh show you've actually visited Congress.

Speaker 4 (01:13:28):
No, yeah, exactly. Yeah, Well, we we've had people, we've
had people in this podcast. I mean, we've had we've
had people in the podcast to where they you know,
they're they're very high up and as far as government
or or they you know, they're involved in government.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
Or whatever you are x C I A.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, we've had CIA officers on.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
We've had you know, doctors on that have been canceled
because of COVID, even though it's not necessarily the same realm.
We've also had people that have come to us and said, hey,
here's here's my thoughts. Although I'm not coming on your
podcast because you know, I can't can't come on your
podcast because you know, maybe you're talking about conspiracy, but
I just want to tell you this. So we've had

(01:14:07):
all of that. But what you just said, and I
think that everybody listening right now, the way you.

Speaker 5 (01:14:12):
Just said it now it's going to be mind blowing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:15):
But also, but also the way Bart just said it
is why that everybody should read his book. Because as
I read Bart's book, moon Man, and I actually asked
Bart before the show, I said, Bart, did you have
a ghostwriter write your book or whatever? Because it was
really good and it wasn't just really good as in
a term of like, And I told Bart also, I
was like, I just literally started reading books like last year.

(01:14:38):
I've never really wanted to read books because a lot
of times it was like it's boring is bs. I
started reading Bart's book because Bart was like, hey, you
know when we do a podcast reading my book. I
was like, shit, I don't, I don't. I don't like
reading books. But Bart sent me the book. Started reading
it and I was like, damn, this book is easy
to read, and it like hooks you it like hooks

(01:14:59):
you like movie would and especially if you're not a reader.
And I do encourage everybody to go and check out
Bart's book. And I definitely want to read your new book.

Speaker 5 (01:15:07):
Oh I do too now for sure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:11):
But it's interesting. So what you're saying though, is like,
but do you believe in UFOs or well.

Speaker 5 (01:15:19):
He just said they're demonic No, But I'm saying, do
you believe that there is other intelligence in this world
besides demonic intelligence?

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
For sure.

Speaker 4 (01:15:28):
That was my question.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Essentially, Well, according to the Bible, believe it or not,
it says that we are the only life in the universe,
and the government wants us to believe the opposite, that
life is everywhere. That way, we'll believe in UFOs and
extraterrestrials from other planets. The odds of there being any

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life such as on Earth would be like winning the
powerball lottery twenty times in a row. If from a
mathematical point of view of DNA, not just the position
of the Earth from the Sun and the place in
the galaxy and so forth. The Book of Revelation says
that when the new Heaven and New Earth is made,
God will personally dwell with us. It says at least

(01:16:15):
four times in the scriptures that God does not show partiality.
So if there's life in other worlds and he's dwelling
with us instead of them, then he's showing partiality. The
only way that God can dwell with us and not
show partiality as if we're it the exact opposite of
what the government wants you to believe. There was a
recent project about twenty years ago by now called the

(01:16:38):
Eve Project, where they took DNA samples from multiple nationalities
every nationality under the sun, Swedes and Africans and Europeans
and Americans, and with the new DNA technology, they traced
it backwards in time and concluded that everyone who ever lived,
is alive or will ever live came from one woman

(01:17:00):
in Africa no one before, no evolution. She suddenly appeared,
just like the Bible says. So now the atheists who
run the world are scrambling how can we stop people
from believing in God? So they came up with this
theory that apparently was a TV show for many years,
that we were made by aliens from outer space, but

(01:17:23):
they never asked the rudimentary question in three years. If
we were made by aliens, then who made the aliens?

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
You see?

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
And according to Isaiah fourteen, Lucifer wants to kick God
off of his throne and claim God's majesty. So if
aliens are really fallen angels and their leader is Lucifer,
what ancient aliens is really saying is mankind was made

(01:17:51):
by Lucifer instead of God. And Apollo is the name
of Lucifer, the great deceiver. And the most powerful telescope
in the world is the Lucifer telescope, which is tracking
in my opinion, planet Lucifer, planet X, which may pull
Earth out of its orbit as it did in seven

(01:18:14):
oh five BC, because prior to that the Earth had
a three hundred and sixty day year according to multiple calendars,
but after that it was changed. So the Earth was
pulled slightly further away from the Sun. Now, if right
now there were twelve months and each one had exactly

(01:18:35):
thirty days, how could you deny intelligent design? You couldn't.
But Planet Lucifer destroyed the testimony of divine creation, you
see that, And all of this is symbolic going on.
And the more they dig into science, the more they
proved that the scriptures are true. A flood did happen.

(01:19:00):
People suddenly appeared out of nowhere. Either we were made
by aliens or we were made by God. And Lucifer's
trying to take over and claim that he made mankind
instead of God. And so that's what the new book
A Leaner Planet X is about. Wow, that's interesting. I
got to read that book.

Speaker 5 (01:19:17):
Yeah, I got to the book. Is it on audio?

Speaker 7 (01:19:19):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
It's on audio kindlerprint at sibrel dot com. It has
interactive video links as well to prove all these points
that I've made.

Speaker 4 (01:19:29):
Well, Bart, So are you do you believe in Jesus
like Jesus Christ? Or what is your religion or I
guess spirituality?

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Well, I wish I were spiritual, but I believe in God.
I believe that the Bible is true. It's just history. Really,
if you read it, you know that's the thing. I
mistakenly put the Bible and religion in the same box.
That was a mistake, hypocritical. Religion and the Bible are

(01:20:00):
two completely different things. When you read the Bible, it's
very simple. Everything in the Bible has been proven true
through archaeology. And then you have the Messiah showing up
Jesus of Nazareth, and according to eleven of his twelve apostles,
he was the Messiah. They had the opportunity to recant.

(01:20:24):
They were given the choice of execution or life if
they denounce Jesus. But they saw him raise from the dead,
They saw him give sight to the blind, They saw
him give you know, walking back to the lame, so
they refused to recant. You see that. You wouldn't do

(01:20:45):
that for a lie, but you would do that for
what is true. Someone described Jesus to me as the
painter who painted himself into the picture. It says in
the Gospel of John, which is beautifully poetic book, God
can to his own, but his own rejected him. Jesus
obviously prayed to God, he didn't pray to himself. So

(01:21:09):
in that way, he's separate from God. But if a
king goes on a journey, he gives the signet ring
to his son. Is his son the king? No, but
he has the legal authority of the king. And that's
what Jesus is. Jesus is God's legal representative. I know,
in my struggles in life, I sometimes cry out, God,

(01:21:32):
you don't know what it's like. And then I catch myself, Oh,
I guess you do? You see you were here and
when you listen to the sad poetry. He came to
that which was his own, but his own rejected him.
That's life. Mankind's greatest accomplishment is a lie by the
most powerful nation on earth and is a complete hypocrite. Wow,

(01:21:54):
And they want us to believe lies continually And it
just makes sense. Just read the Gospel of John to
the end and it just all makes sense. It says
don't get drunk, it says don't commit adultery, it says
don't steal. Makes sense. Right, love your neighbor as yourself, right,
and love God. And you know there's that TV show,

(01:22:16):
what is it, Futurama. My favorite character is the kleptomaniac Robach,
who calls his coworkers meet bags. I'm going to live forever.
I'll go sorry for you. And then the professor says,
you know, you were one of the first models. You
don't have a removable memory cartridge, so if you die,
you die. Yeah, And then he says something very profound.

(01:22:38):
Anything less than immortality is a complete waste of time.
And that is so true. The most powerful scripture to
me is what good is it to gain the world
and forfeit your soul? Do you realize to get to
where we are to have this conversation, Our father ejected

(01:22:58):
one hundred and fifty million sperm, but only one made it.
What will be the sifting into the next life? People
who live unselfishly? Right, people either live for themselves or
they die to themselves. And if you die to yourself,
you will live forever. So I'm trying to be a Christian.

(01:23:22):
I'm a work in progress. I go to the Principal's
office every so often as usual, but I'm working on it,
you know, And that God is full of grace. You know.
There's a beautiful scripture in Ezekiel. It says if a
man is unrighteous his entire life, but in the very
end turns to God, all of his sins will be forgiven.

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All we have to do is confess and repent. You
have to repent in order to be saved. It's a paradox.
We are saved by grace. It's like a safety deposit
box with two keys. The first key is from God.
God so loved the world, he died, gave his only
begotten son. The key is turned, but there's another key.

(01:24:07):
People don't read past John three sixteen to seventeen through nineteen,
but this is the verdict. Light has come into the world,
but men love darkness instead of light and will not
come into the light for fear their deeds will be exposed.
People will not repent. Now, if we repent, we still

(01:24:29):
can't open that box without God's grace. But if God
turned the grace key for everybody, but most people will
not turn the repentance key. They won't let go of
their sin. That's why Jesus said, why is the gate
broad as the road to destruction, and most go that way,
But narrow is the way to life, and only a

(01:24:49):
few find it. So even though Christ died for everyone
turned that key, most people will not let go of
their sin. It's different for everybody. I had to give
it be a playboy. Other people have to give up
being drunk. Other people have to give up smoking or
lying or cheating, whatever it is. And we have to
be faithful to the end. There is no get out

(01:25:10):
of jail free card. Hebrews warns us. If we deliberately
sin after knowing the truth, no grace is left. So
that's what I believe. It says it right there in
the instruction manual.

Speaker 3 (01:25:23):
And are you faithful to life?

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
It'll be worth it?

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Are you faithful to God? Are you faithful to Jesus?
Are you faithful to both?

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Well? I try to be and that's between you know,
God and judgment day. I was just I do a
podcast myself. It's at sebrel dot com. One is called
box Escape kind of alternative media, and another is called
End Times Church. I just did a message this week
about forgiveness. Jesus was asked how many times shall I

(01:25:55):
forgive my brother if he sins against me in a
single day? Up to seven times? And Jesus says no,
seventy seven or unlimited times, as long as he truly
says I repent. So repenting is a continual thing like
taking a shower or cutting your hair or brushing your teeth.
It's a continual thing. I can improve my courtesy while

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I'm driving. I could improve my lack of selfishness and
my marriage. I can improve my weight to be a
better example. Rights.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
I think God brought you to us tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:26:31):
I was literally in traffic today. I literally just wanted
to just just like if have you ever saw the
movie where they have it? Was it Mad Max to
where they have the things that is dump people off
the road. Yeah, I in traffic and just little things,
little things bart aggravate me. And the weird thing is

(01:26:53):
like I have a hard soul and.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
See and I don't. I have, but we both have
this religious struggle. And I am not one to believe
in man made religion, but I do believe in God.
But I loved what you just offered tonight, Like I
really needed that for my soul.

Speaker 4 (01:27:14):
Yeah, it's absolutely crazy, and bar, I think that's why.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:27:19):
The weird thing is you and your journey with the
moon landing. I think is I think God's leading you
in places like our podcast.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Yeah where, But can I ask you one question? Real
quick chat?

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
But we have struggled with this, Yeah, for a very
long time, and our audience has struggled with us through this.
And so although we bring Bard on for the moonlanding, Yeah,
I think people are going to do this. People are
going to wow, take a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:27:44):
I'm just like amazed. But real quick, this is a
question that I told you I wanted to ask you,
you know, with the whole moon landing thing. And we
can get back on the religion in a minute, but
I just want to know your thoughts about this. You know,
you say that we can only go so far into
a problem Earth's atmosphere and our orbit, and you know,
I don't I'm not sure where our orbit meets space.

(01:28:07):
But do you think Katy Perry went to space.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Or do you think who is Katy Perry?

Speaker 4 (01:28:14):
She's the one that went on the Amazon rocket.

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
Yeah, there was like for women the Yeah, the Blue
Origin for women went up into I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
Jeff Fozzio was that Jeff Bezos? Oh ja, yeah, sorry
Jeff Bezos. And then he had Katy Perry. You had
Oprah Winfrey's right hand girl. I can't remember what her
name is, Hoda hotis whatever. So it was like six
months ago and that they all went to space and
everybody's like, oh, Katy Perry's astronaut, you know. And Katy
Perry has also been notorious for, you know, doing these

(01:28:47):
videos as of late of it's almost like demonic type
music video.

Speaker 5 (01:28:53):
Signed our soul to the Devil.

Speaker 4 (01:28:54):
Yeah, And and I do believe that, like when you
say that you signed your soul the Devil, you are
your cell, your soul for success, for money. I think
that does happen. You look at Lil nas X. Lil
nas X came out with Old Town Road. Old Town
Road was a was a hit song everybody. Sharry was
a teacher for twenty five years. You know, you can

(01:29:15):
ask Sherry. Kids would come to school and they were like, yeah,
old old Town Roads my favorite song. And then you know,
a year later, Lil nas X was doing lap dances
by the Devil.

Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:26):
So it's like like this is a process. Everything that
we ingest on a daily basis, there's a constant battle,
a constant struggle, and it is with Sharry and I
as well, especially with this podcast Bart. You know, when
we do reach as the amount of people we do,
it sucks sometimes to feel like that we do not
have the answers for people, and it really does because

(01:29:49):
we don't we don't have the answers for people. But
I'm always always a breath, I guess, the sigh of
relief when people like you come on. We're talking about
the moon landing, we're talking about all this stuff, but
then we get into this, you know, the concept of
God and Jesus or whatever, and then you're so eloquently

(01:30:10):
talking about your beliefs and your thoughts on this, and
which is why I think you're a great writer. I
think you. I think that's also why you've got into
the realm of the moon landing being fake, which is,
you know, if you go down to the brass and
tax of this is like, why is the moon landing faked?
I think it's because we are deceived on a daily basis,

(01:30:32):
and we are deceived by people. We are deceived by
our government and in all ways, shape or form. And
what is the deceiving factor of that? Like do they
want to deceive us because they want power? Or do
they want to deceive us because they want to take
us further away from God?

Speaker 8 (01:30:47):
Right?

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
And so I'm glad that you came on. I'm glad
that you talked about you kind of your your personal
I guess journey, and I think a lot of people
that are listening are going to take something from what
you said tonight. And I'm very appreciative that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
You came on. Man, well glad to talk to you both.

Speaker 4 (01:31:05):
Yeah, for sure, So Bort, So, so what are you
working on in the future? You have this new book on,
Like what is your next thing.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
Going to be? Like?

Speaker 8 (01:31:13):
What is?

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
What is?

Speaker 4 (01:31:15):
What are you working on? What is you in your mind?
It's like, hey, I got to get this out. I'm
gonna I'm gonna go just as hard on this next
thing as I did with the moon landing, because I mean,
you were one of the guys that was punched by
buzz alten, So like, who are you going to be
punched by next? Based on what you are working on.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
I'm hoping Mike Tyson that he and I can cook
it out no idea. One of my projects is a
feature film, and I'm working on getting that produced. I
wrote it originally for Ed Asner, who was a fan
of a funny thing happened on the way to the Moon.
He called me up one day while I'm eating lunch

(01:31:58):
at Red Robin my eat steak fries one of my weaknesses,
and said, Bart, if you've got a feature film, I
want to be in it. I said, I could do
this idea, this idea, He said, do that one. I
wrote it in about a week and he died, unfortunately,
for taking a dose of medicine for an illness he
didn't even have. And then Ron Perlman wanted to produce

(01:32:22):
it and starring it. And now we have another person
who that baton has been passed to, who's a pretty
well known actor who wants to star in it and
produce it. It's a film kind of I guess you
would call it a fantasy. It's about a murderer who's

(01:32:42):
dying of cancer trying to get forgiveness. He was released
on a technicality, but he's guilty, and he's trying to
go back and make things right, but he gets only
rejection instead. All the while, these kind of strange phenomena
are being reported in the news in the background that
makes it look like maybe the world is coming to

(01:33:04):
an end. So we have this guy seeking forgiveness all
the while the global clock is ticking literally on his
life and mankind, and it's like a twelight zone. You
could say it's called silence in heaven, which is from
a scripture and revelation I think eight eleven that says

(01:33:25):
when the Seventh Seal was opened, there was silence in heaven.
It says in the Book of Revelation that the twenty
four elders are surrounding the Throne of God and seeing
NonStop twenty four to seven three sixty five, except when
the Seventh Seal is open, they're dead silent, And I'm thinking, well,

(01:33:47):
why is that. It's because after the seventh Seal is open,
the judgment on mankind can no longer be stopped, and
according to the scriptures, most people aren't going to make it.
There is no hell. Actually, according to the Bible, that
was an invention by the Catholic Church to sell forgiveness permission, right,

(01:34:09):
but there is eternal death. Jesus says, those who believe
in him will obey him. He sees, so you have
to repent to be saved. Repenting is proof of your belief.
And he says there are two choices. Right, eternal life
or you will perish. If you're in hell being tortured,

(01:34:30):
you also have eternal life. Right, No, you perish just
like being throwing a live chicken into a fire, it perishes,
so only the saved live forever and everyone else is
dead forever. And so Silence in Heaven is about this murderer,

(01:34:50):
hard hearted person. He's known for having a hard heart.
He's dying of heart cancer. As he goes back asks
forgiveness from his ex wife, who's got a cross around,
but she says, I'll never forgive you burn in Hell,
proving that there's a lot of false Christianity because Jesus
says unless you forgive other people, your sins will not

(01:35:11):
be forgiven. That's in Matthew six fifteen. So and like
I said, there's this strange news stories happening. I don't
want to give too much of it away. We're trying
to raise about five million dollars to get it produced.
It would be my first feature film, and I felt
divinely inspired as I wrote it. I was crying while

(01:35:31):
I wrote it and laughing. And Ron Perlman said it
was one of the best scripts he's ever read. And
hopefully we will get that made next year. So saying
about the film Silence.

Speaker 5 (01:35:42):
In Heaven, yeah, we definitely will.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
We will.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
And listen guys, for everybody out there, I know that
you have been following us for a very long time.
We are in a constant battle and struggle with our spirituality.
But I am very grateful for Bart to come on. Yes,
I feel like, at the very least, let's pray for
all of us, right, I mean, because we all struggle,
and I do specifically, I do for sure on a

(01:36:07):
regular basis. And so as you pray for everybody else,
pray for me, Pray for Sherry, pray for Bart. Pray
for people that we can get in and on this
podcast that can interpret and relay things that we cannot.
And I feel like Bart is kind of weird because
we've been trying to get this to go for about
a year. But I feel like God put us in

(01:36:30):
this position. And you said some other time, you said
something earlier, it's like, you know how many sperm fights
for one for one thing to get to this point
And that's that's that's an amazing analogy, Like how did
you God.

Speaker 1 (01:36:45):
Cruel when he throws away one hundred and forty ninety nine?
Is God going to be cruel when he only lets
a few people into eternal life? The Bible says sin
will never rise again after the new habit anew earth.
He's not going to let wicked people live forever. They
will perish, and so we have to also see. To me,

(01:37:08):
the most convincing scripture that proves that Jesus is not
from earth is when he said love your enemy. He says,
the Pagans love those who love them, and hate those
who hate them. But love your enemy. Think of all
the people who hate the opposing political person, leader, whoever
that is, hate them. Jesus said, love your enemy so

(01:37:32):
that you can be sons of God. Because if you
only love people who love you and hate people who
hate you, you're no different than a non believer. So
that's what we should be doing. And that's the key.
That's the key to Christianity is loving your enemy. And
you could also pray, or multiple people listening could pray

(01:37:55):
for the truth about the moon landing fraud to come out.
Just imagine what that would be like. Imagine what it
would be like. Right now, could be interrupted, our attention
is brought to CNN, and you have an Apollo astronaut
tearfully confessing that they fake them in landing. You could
hear a pin drop, people would say, oh my gosh,

(01:38:18):
is it that bad? Is it really that bad? Have
we sunk that low? But we need to know that,
we need to know the cancer we have or the
cancer will destroy us.

Speaker 4 (01:38:29):
So I agree. And by the way, off all of you,
for all of you listening, I mean you are each
a soldier sharing this episode, getting out there, talking to
people you know, send it out messages, doing it whatever
you can for the truth. You guys are all soldiers.
I think God did not call us to be silent,
but he called us to be voices. And I think

(01:38:52):
every day, even though we struggle with our spirituality, in
some degree, I feel like that God does not want
us to be ily by. I think he wants us
to talk. He wants us to speak out and and
and like I said, I'm glad that Bart came on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:09):
Bart.

Speaker 4 (01:39:10):
Yes, we talked about the moon landing. For sure, I
one percent believe it is fake. I believe that people
should go and read your book and follow you because
because you know, like I said, Bart, there's not a
lot of people have.

Speaker 5 (01:39:25):
To say silver aligning underneath all of this.

Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Oh yes, God, I mean God is a silver lining
the truth Jesus, all that stuff but but Bart, you
you are so good at at at kind of saying
stuff the way that many people cannot. And I think
you did that in your book. I think that whatever
you do in the future, people need to follow. And
we're going to support you however we can. Bart, thank

(01:39:51):
you so much for coming on the show tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Sure, no problem. And like I said, if people want
to see the film, if anything happened on the Way
to the Moon, just go to the homepage of Sabrael
dot com.

Speaker 4 (01:40:02):
Absolutely well, guys, that is going to do it for us.
We are going to play it out right now with
a song for the good, because I feel like even
this podcast we're talking about the moon landing, that everything
that happens in this world is for the good. I
do not everything, but this particular episode we talked about
the moon landing. But God had a different message tonight,

(01:40:25):
and Bart, thank you so much for that. Until next time, guys,
we love you. Peace out, peace out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Guys. You work, working out, you work, working.

Speaker 1 (01:40:50):
For the good.

Speaker 9 (01:40:54):
Those you according to your purse for the good, those
you called according.

Speaker 3 (01:41:03):
To your plan.

Speaker 8 (01:41:05):
Well you are work.

Speaker 3 (01:41:07):
You are full.

Speaker 9 (01:41:09):
They you are work.

Speaker 5 (01:41:15):
You are working for the God.

Speaker 4 (01:41:21):
In all things.

Speaker 3 (01:41:25):
And all things. Yeah, scenes you're working the own working zones,
all scenes scene you working, working for the god.

Speaker 9 (01:41:55):
Those you called according to your purse, for the those
you call according to your plan.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
You work.

Speaker 9 (01:42:09):
You are work for the good.

Speaker 3 (01:42:14):
And you are work.

Speaker 9 (01:42:16):
You are workin for the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
We will trust, we will trust in you, we will trust.

Speaker 8 (01:42:32):
We all see you. We well trust. We will trust
is you. We will trust, we will.

Speaker 3 (01:42:48):
See you for the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
Those you call according to your perp is, for the guy.

Speaker 8 (01:43:04):
Of those who called according to your plane, and for
the guy.

Speaker 9 (01:43:12):
Of those who call according to your pirl's, for the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:19):
Of those you call according.

Speaker 4 (01:43:22):
To your plan.

Speaker 9 (01:43:24):
You are work. You are work for you, you are work.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
You are work again for you

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