Inside VueConf: Nuxt 4, AI in Development, and the Future of Vue with Erik Hanchett - JSJ 685 - JavaScript Jabber

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of JavaScript Jabber.
This week on our panel, we have Steve Edwards.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Covering for Aja Yo Yo Yo. Coming at you from
someone cloudy and not too cool Portland.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I don't know if we directly addressed that. I
think Aj said it, but he's kind of backed out
of the podcast for the foreseeable future. So I think
most of his work is in not in JavaScript these days,
and so he didn't feel like it was a tremendously
good fit. But anyway, I'm Charles max Wood from Top
End Devs. It feels like forever since I've been able
to get on and record one of these, so I'm

(00:39):
kind of excited to see how it goes.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, we have Eric Hanschett.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
Eric, you've been on the show before and you co
hosted views on View I think way back when, so
you shouldn't be a stranger to people.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
But yeah, welcome back.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Hey, thanks for having me. It's been a pleasure. And
yeah view some of you that look that up look
that one up back in the in the archives if
he can. It was a fun podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Yeah, all of the archives are still out there. We're
not producing any new episodes I don't have any plans
to bring it back, but if, yeah, if the right
opportunity comes up, I guess we could.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's just yeah anyway, So, yeah, so what's new.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Eric, Yeah, Well, thanks for having me on again. It's
good to be back here. I thought it'd be fun.
I've emailed Stephen about like different things that are happening,
but one is a view COOMF. I thought it'd be
fun to talk about VIEWCOMF for those who don't know,
that's a there's a couple of different view comps. There's
one in the United States, there's one in Europe. But

(01:41):
I went to the one in the United States a
few weeks ago. Actually it's May in May, so I
guess that's a month ago, and it was in Tampa, USA.
So I thought we could chat about that at first.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Now, or all of them put on by the same
organization or do they just share a name or how
does that work?

Speaker 4 (02:00):
I don't know exactly. I believe they are the same
organization that does the one in Europe and the one
in the United States. It's even you. I believe it's
part of his companies that he's working on and he
helps put it on I don't think he actually owns
the company, but he's a part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Of course, Well that makes sense given his role with you.
So yeah, so how was VI KMF.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah yeah, it was awesome. So there's this I know,
probably on this podcast and many others, the conversation tends
to always move over to React and of course React
is still the biggest front and framework out there. However,
the View community is still going strong. It's very vibrant.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
We had.

Speaker 4 (02:49):
It was a three day event, the first day being
a workshop, the second two days being talks, and of
course Avenue was there and we had this nice, quaint
conference center that we were at to give all the talks.
But it was really just cool to see all the
kind of the big names in the View community come

(03:10):
together and talk, and I think like just being there,
just see the hallway track itself was worth it. Of
course the talks were interesting. I gave a lightning talk.
It was on AI. That's another theme that I saw
a lot during the conference is just a lot. I
think every probably front end conference in the last two

(03:31):
years have had at least one talk or two on AI,
and I think this was no exception. So it was
really interesting to hear everybody's opinions about how they're using AI.
I'm sure you guys had many podcasts recently about that too,
or at least touched on that. So it was really cool,
like being in person and to hear everybody talk about it.

(03:51):
But like some really nice, really cool people that I
got to meet again was Alex Rivier. He did a
really interesting talk on props and View three. Daniel Rowe,
you've had him on this this podcast before, right, Yeah,
we had. I know I talked to him a bunch
of times on Views on.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Views on View.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't remember for sure if we've had him on
JavaScript Jabber.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
He did a KNUCKS talk like the state of building
Advanced Apps next some more of a NUCKS type talk.
And every time, every time you hear about NUCKS, I
just think they're just doing so much and it's just
so cool that's happening in that community. So you don't know.
That's like a meta framework for review. It's sort of
the equivalent from React to next js's view to nuxs JS.

(04:38):
They have different approaches though, like in course in the
React ecosystem, with next they've really leaned into the server components.
While the Knucks side is still by and large client components,
but you do have server side rendering, you do have
API routes, but it's not like server components by default.
So and hearing him talk about that was interesting. And

(04:59):
I also love of every talk that I go to
at one of these conferences where they have audience participation,
and this is no different like giving during the talk,
we could do emojis. So have you ever been to
a talk they've done that, Like they're like, hey, if
you open up, they'll have a QR code and you'll
scan it on your phone during the talk, and then
you can press a button and send emoji and it'll

(05:21):
show up on the screen.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
I've seen things like that. I don't know if I've
seen that in particular.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
Although I will say someone thought they were funny, so
I'm sure they like created a script. So at one
point there was like hundreds of emojis on the screen
coming down of while he was talking. It was still enough.
I think he rate limited enough so it wasn't to
the point where you couldn't see the slides completely, but
it was like quite a bit. It was like hundreds,

(05:47):
and I don't think the audience was pressing like the
one hundred times.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
That's really funny.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
There's always got to be somebody pushing the limits.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
I actually was once at a conference where some one
did a similar thing, but someone totally like messed up
their presentation by sending them like thousands, thousands of things
on screen.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, that's programmers, I did well.

Speaker 4 (06:12):
I did the lightning talk on creating different specs with
AI tooling. So one thing that we've seen is there's
this vibe coding way of developers are creating apps where
you just kind of use cursor, windsurf to go in
and create an app, and then you're get help copilot

(06:33):
and then you're kind of asking it things and it's
updating it. Well, I think there's better ways to do that,
and I called this like a spec development way of
doing it, where you're asking the AI to help you
create a design document first and then having it create
an implementation guide from that design document. So I listed

(06:54):
out ways you can use Amazon qcli, which is a
tool that we have that's basically free. It's free with
something called builder ID. You don't need a credit card
or anything. You just sign up with an email address
and then you can start using it on the command line,
and you can ask it like, hey, help me go
through and at a landing page or ID as I'm

(07:19):
using a can you do this? And it can do this,
So it can do all sorts of things. And so
I walk through this whole presentation of me using it,
using this way of creating this design document to help
create more complicated apps where vibe coding doesn't quite reach.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, that makes sense. I have to admit that I've
been doing quite a bit of that. I mean for work. Yeah,
probably eighty seventy eighty percent of the code is stuff
that I'm just writing. But I do find that, you know,
I'll ask the AI to help me do something and
it'll just, you know, off it goes, and you know,
it gets it sixty seventy percent correct, and then I

(07:59):
can fix the rest and then I put in whatever
it is that I need to do and then do
it again.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
So I don't know if that's vibe coding, but yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:06):
It is. It's kind of an overused term, I think nowadays,
but I'd consider that more vibe coding. I guess, if
you want, in the purest sense, it's where you literally
just prompt over and over again, and you never touch
the code at all, and you're just kind of changing
the prompts over and over again to get what you want.

(08:28):
And I think as us developers, that does get a
little frustrating. Frustrating, So I'm always like going into the
code fixing things, trying to make it better, or doing
in line edits instead of doing it that other way.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
And I have friends that have just been straight up
vibe coding because they don't really understand how the code works.
But what I've been seeing a lot where I'm at
is that, Yeah, a lot of people are using it
as kind of that tool where it's I don't know
where to start, or this should be something that the
code can you know, it can ingest enough and then

(09:07):
you know, give me a faster solution that I can
come up with on my own. And then yeah, with
my understanding and skill set, I can I can vastly
increase the timeframe.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Under which it does whatever it does.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And so I'm seeing a lot of developers using it
that way to kind of speed up their process.

Speaker 4 (09:24):
Yeah, I think that's exactly the right way to do it. Yeah,
I will say too, good. I was going to say
in general too, it was super fun conference meeting everyone,
and I think that's half the part of going to
these conferences. But I kind of want to say, like
a little PSA just for everyone listening that it. I
know it's hard because just the economy and some people

(09:45):
can go places cannot, but try try to go to
some of these events because I definitely seen I'm a
senior developer advocate at AWS, so I'm part of my
job is to go to conferences to teach people to
meet people, right, But I've seen like the conference overall,
the tendance and a lot of these in person conferences
kind of they're just not great, like a lot view

(10:07):
comforted well, but it's still like in general, it's down
still from COVID and just a lot of people have
not are not going to these events as much. They're
not going to meet ups as much, and that's a
really shame. So hopefully we can just get more people
and start growing again. And some of these conferences that

(10:27):
it does have a lot of I think has a
lot of benefits.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Yeah, I agree, you know, for my job at Price Picks,
I'm mostly doing Ruby on rails, but a lot of
the lot of the conferences out there, Yeah, they're attendance
is low. I will say that the exception in the
Rails World is Rails World, and that's put on by
the Rails Foundation. And the thing is is seeing I
think there are a couple of things that are going on,

(10:51):
and one of them is the economy. Rails World sells
out in like twenty minutes there now, and you know,
and it's a decent sized conference. I think that the difference, though,
is is that people know what they're going to get,
and they know they're going to get what they want.
And so some of these conferences that have been around
for a while, folks are showing up because they're invested
in something like view for Viewcom, but it doesn't have

(11:14):
that promise of being the thing that they want or
giving and delivering.

Speaker 3 (11:19):
What they think they need.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
And I think some of it is sort of the
momentum you know that killed the conference momentum having COVID.
But I think also there's a lot going on with
people just you know, it's like, Okay, well if I
go and take two or three days off to attend,
is it going to be worth it? And I think
that's on the conference to kind of give that to

(11:41):
people and say, hey, we are innovating and here's what
you're going to get. And then also just understanding that, Yeah,
the hallway track, at least in my opinion, is worth
half the ticket price, and I don't think people realize that.
So I echo your call to attend the in person conferences.

(12:03):
If you can't, then yeah, participate online if you can.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
And then the meetups.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
They just started the meetup here again for a couple
of the technology areas that I care about, and they're
not super well attended, but they're still very very helpful
because you'll have somebody else show up and talk through
something you haven't heard, and so it's like, oh, that
looks really useful and I can use that at work
and you know. Anyway, Yeah, there's a lot to like

(12:28):
about that, So I agree people ought to really be
looking at it.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Also, in my two cents here, I've been when I
was living in the djupil world, I went to Drouple
Con every year, and like Eric mentioned, the Hallway track
was was was probably just as important, if not more important,
in the sessions because the sessions are always recorded and
you can come back and watch them later. But one
of the things they would do with Drouple cons was
they would have a coder lounge where you know, everybody

(12:53):
could just sit there and get together and work on
a project, and you would see stuff come from those sessions,
you know, that would become modules or you know, different
functionality later. I can remember one particular year, I was
dealing with a sort of a thorny issue with what's
called the migration, which was, you know, where you'd set
up a new site and then migrate all your data
from your old site to a new site and fitted

(13:15):
into the new structure. Couldn't figure it out, and I
happened to go into the coder lounge and here's a
guy that maintains the module that I'm working with, and
sat down ten minutes and he helped me figure it out,
and I was good to go from there. You know,
other communications, you know, connections I made with people at
conferences that I was able to leverage later, or you know.
The big thing is, you know, in an online world,
actually meeting somebody in real life that you only know

(13:37):
online is always, you know, fantastic to do. And unfortunately
I haven't been able to get to a view comp yet,
but I just changed jobs and the organization I'm at
now not only do we run our own conferences in
the networking space, but we also encouraged going to conferences
and making presentations and stuff like that. So my boss

(13:57):
and I were already talking about going to view comp
next year. So I'm really really looking forward to be
able to do that. But the in person stuff is
really worthwhile. You get to you get more than you
know if you do it right. You got to get
out and meet people. Can't just sit around and go
to sessions and then go back to your hotel room.
You know, you got to make an effort to get
out and meet people. But it's always worth it.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, I should clarify if you haven't picked up on
it by now. The hallway track is basically the socializing
that happens outside of the sessions, right, So a lot
of times you'll I can't I can't describe how many
times I've been to conferences and yeah, I've just been
standing right outside of one of the lecture halls and
just chatting with people. And I've done this for podcasting

(14:40):
conferences and for programming conferences, and the connections are priceless.
I mean people just you know, you'll find people that
have solved the problem you're trying to solve most of
the time. Oh yeah, and so just having those conversations,
oh well what are you doing. Oh well, well there's this, this,
and this, or we ran into that last year and
we solved it this way. And then the other thing

(15:02):
that you run into is just yeah, beyond the connections,
it's yeah, people giving you those those technical ideas and
so yeah. So it may be somebody that you interface
with a bunch of times after the conference, Okay, well
how did you get past this part of this problem?
And then other times it's yeah, it's just you know,
it's hey, I hadn't even thought of that, and you know,

(15:22):
it takes you down a path that solves a bunch
of problems for you or your company, and anyway, it's
it's really terrific.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
So yeah, I remember I was at droupol Con one
time and there's this one thorny issue I've been trying
to address, a particular side I wanted to create and
was real data management heavy. And this is back before
a lot of the tools that we have now that
make things so much easier before Laravell, before Inertia, before
any of the jobascript frameworks where you pretty much just

(15:50):
has CMSs. And I met a guy named Travis Tidwell,
a Drubel who was talking, who was talking about a
drouple module. But he ended up forming a company called
form Io, which is really sweet form rendering platform that
uses JavaScript.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
And I was going to say, the name sounded familiar,
that's where okay.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, yeah, And we've had Travis on a couple of times.
And that was in the days of Angular one, before
view was really out. I think React was fairly new,
Node was fairly new, and his platform used the They
were Mongo Express, Node and Angular, so the mean stack
and it's expanded since then to be fairly JavaScript you know,

(16:28):
agnostic in terms of framework. Anyway, I said, hey, yeah,
this is my site, you know, I want to do this.
Would form Io.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
Work for this?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
He goes, yeah, it'd be perfect, you could do this
and this. So I ended up starting to play with it,
and I pestered him so much that he asked me
to actually come to some work for them, and I
actually did a bunch of work for a form io
in the in Angular one and then moved on to
view after that. But all that from you know, a
two minute conversation at a conference, yep.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
So you definitely have to be deliberate to make sure
that you get those conversations, because it is easy. And
I've been to conferences by myself where I've like gone
to the talks, went to my hotel room, maybe did
the after party the last day, and that's it. But yeah,
you have definitely be deliberate to like talk to the
people during between the talks. Actually, in fact, a couple

(17:17):
of people I've hung out with, they they'll like skip
a talk, Like if they find talk that they don't
think is interesting, they'll skip it, and then they'll just
hang out and wander around and talk to people that
are in the hallways or all day. Usually lots of
places will have sponsors too.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, they'll some kind well usually, I mean the presentations
are recorded anyway, so you can watch it at any time,
you know, so unless you specifically want to interact with
the presenter or somebody in there, you can always watch
those later and take advantage of the the other stuff.
I know, one thing that Druplicon used to do that
I loved was so much fun was they did a
trivia night, and so people would get together in teams

(17:57):
and they'd have somebody up on the dais, you know,
answering the questions and stuff, than you'd record answers and
they'd score. So much fun just because it was so
much geek humor. Unless you weren't in the community, you
might not get half of the jokes because they're so geeky.
And one of the favorite things I can still remember
from when we did at the World War II Museum

(18:17):
in New Orleans one year was the team names alone.
Just looking at the roster of the team names, the
names that people came up cracked me up so bad.
But that was so much fun and one of the
highlights of the conference every year for sure.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah, Eric, I'm curious. Were there big announcements at View
kof new things in View or in the community.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
It's more like incremental. It feels like they're incrementally going
from View three came out a couple of years ago.
They're being very cautious about the updates. Things are kind
of taking longer. We heard a little bit more about
vat right in the conference because Evenue is basically juggling

(18:58):
both projects View and Vet.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And isn't isn't involved in what was vzero?

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Void zero void zero void zero?

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yes, yeah, exactly, So that was another He talked a
little bit about Void zero and the new company, and
then the Vapor Mode, which is this new compilation strategy
for View. He's talked about it before in previous conferences,
but it was just more detail, more information about it.
It's funny a lot of times, it's more a lot
of these updates are like, we're just making things faster,

(19:27):
which is good, and our compilots are becoming smarter, and
now we have this new built system behind. So that
was all very very interesting to see that, you know,
the community still moving forward his and I think he
did have some q and as. I'm not sure if
it was this one or the last one I had,
but he always gets asked like, how are you juggling

(19:49):
the work between VAT and View and are you like
the soul bottlenecked, and he's every year he says that
he's been given more and more the responsibility, especially a
View to the community and to these high level View
core team members that help run the project, so that
way he can step back and do other things. And

(20:10):
I think he talked a little bit about that as well.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, I've heard some talk about, you know, on the
Deja View podcast and other places about how there's a
whole like for VT, there's a whole team, you know,
it's not just him, there's a there's a bat Core team,
and I've heard talked from people on there. So you know,
there's definitely greater distribution of work, you know, so you
don't have the you know, if Evan gets hit by
a truck, the propaboial truck, you know, one day, then

(20:33):
the work would still continue on. And there's people that
are that are versed in what's going on.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And I think they're with this rolldown
and this his new company. They're really planning to open
source a lot of what they're working on to make
this compiler faster. I don't know all the details of it.
It sounds really interesting though.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
Well, I think the idea is as I understood it
because I talked about it. I think a lot of
weak er previous episodes as picks. But if the idea
is to create you know, sort of one I don't
know if you want to say one stock to rule
them all, but at least one tool chain that's somewhat integrated,
you know, because with Vita as it is, he was
incorporating roll up and so now they're creating you know,

(21:16):
rolled down, which is your own version of roll up
except written and go correctly rust.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Well yeah, maybe one of those, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, one of the the languages ju jure in that area.
But anyway, that's basically what void zero is.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
And yeah, I'm just looking at his latest tweet three
times faster builds, better chunks, splitting controls of vance chunks,
better correcting strictness, model execution, or order guarantee.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
So I guess the other the question that I have
to kind of bring us back around of yukof a
little bit is because I haven't really been following along
with what's going on in the View community.

Speaker 3 (21:50):
So what what does it look like at this point?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
You know, what if I was like familiar with react or,
I had been following along with it a few years ago,
what's changed?

Speaker 3 (22:01):
What's different?

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, it's been pretty stable for a while. The community.
For a while, there was this big gap between View
two and View three, and a lot of companies were
in View two and they were migrating to View three
and then View two went had an end of life
on it. There is a couple. I think there's one company.
There is one company out there that will give you

(22:24):
additional support if you pay them if you're still in
View two. However, that transition, I think the end of
life was last year. I'd have to look at the
Zach dates. So the community is definitely on the View
three world now and nuxt seems to be just gaining
more and more steam as the preferred way to start

(22:44):
your view applications because it has kind of everything out
of the box that you need with and it has
some really nice features like file based routing and the
SSR and staticsite generation and all those fun terms that
we've talked about a lot, so you can really start
your app there. If I was starting a new view

(23:06):
app today, I would start with Next and they are
there is a Next. I believe Next four is coming
out soon, and you can with the latest version nuxts.
You can do like in a compatibility mode with Next four,
but it's not going to be It is a breaking change,
but it's not anything to like what View two and
View three was, where that was a really major breaking change.

(23:28):
So you can even start playing around with with next
four and some of the features they're they're looking at.
They speaking of Daniel Rowe, he just put out a
roadmap to V four earlier this month. So you can
even try out next four alpha if you want to
try that out. And so, and you're probably asking, well,

(23:49):
what's part of next four like new directory structure, improved
data fetching, consistent component names, enhanced head management. You talked
a little bit about that during the talks, but still
a way.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
So yeah, I'm have to reach out to Daniel and
ge him to come on.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Yeah, we definitely should. I'll reach out to him. Yeah.
Well cool, anything else that we should know about.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
With u KMF No, No, I think we covered a
lot there.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
I just I really want to encourage people. If you
can go to an in person conference, definitely do it. Eric,
Are you going to be at any conferences later this year?

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
I'm going to be at Cascadia JS.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Oh is that the way of Seattle? Are they doing
a Seattle Yeah? I went to that one one time. Okay.
It was a cool little conference.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, you're not far from there relatively.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I guess it's about four hours through or four hours.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Yeah, September seventeenth through twentieth in Seattle, so check it out.
I will be doing a talk there. I'm also going
to UH India, albeit meeting some international people. There's a
go to server List conference in August eighth, So yeah,
I'm doing a little international travel. I usually try to
get most of the UH travel in the United States,

(25:02):
but I have been dipping my toe into some international travel.
I've been talking to some people who if you once
you do a lot of talks, you start meeting a
lot of people who do a lot of talks, and
it's actually a lot of the same people do do it,
especially in like the JavaScript or typescript world, right, and
they there's so much international love out there. There's so

(25:25):
many international conferences. It really pretty much dwarfs the United States,
to be honest. So we especially in the front end world,
in the JavaScript world, there's just way more conferences in general,
just in the outside the US. So I'm trying those out.
We'll see how this India. I've never been to India before.
I'm excited to try it, to try it and see
how it goes. Which city you're going to, I'm gonna

(25:48):
be in New Delhi and then I'm gonna be in
BENGALOREA Bengalore Bengalore. Yeah, I never know the pronunciation exactly.
Indian listeners can correct me off.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
You get some real authentic Indian food too, I'd love
to try out some of that curry man.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, your your assessment of the international speaking circuit. I mean,
in the past, I've been to some of those conferences,
not as a speaker, but just because I got invited
because of this podcast. And yeah, it seems like a
lot of the same people that were speaking at those
they'd be like, yeah, and I'm also speaking these other
handful of conferences. And from what we've heard from Dan Shapir,

(26:27):
since he speaks at a lot of them, Yeah, it
seems like he interacts with a lot of those folks.
And you know, after he sees him a handful of times,
a lot of times, he'll invite him on this show
as well. I'm going to be at a conference. I'm
going to be at commit your Code conference in September.
It's the twenty sixth and twenty seventh, and I'm speaking
and yeah, Eric was saying.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
A lot of people are talking about AI.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, I'm going to be showing you how to build
an AI agent with JavaScript, so just you know, just
be aware. I'm kind of still kind of dreaming of
is you're right, And I don't know if you said
this before the call or on the call, but yeah,
you know, it's basically you have a model and a
prompt and so I'm kind of dreaming of putting some

(27:10):
of that stuff together and then I kind of want
to figure out how to put an MCP server behind
it and just really kind of knock it out of
the park. But we'll see how far I can get in.
I think it's a half hour talk and then I'm
probably going to be speaking a lot more of the
Ruby conferences. But yeah, it's fun stuff to delve into,
and it's kind of a fun opportunity to then go

(27:32):
and see what other people are doing with it.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
So I love commit your Code. I was just talking
to Danny Danny, our friend Danny Thompson about it, yep,
and who helps put it on. I definitely I'm trying
to get in on that one too, So we'll see,
we'll see I might be there, but if not, we'll definitely.
Everybody check out Chuck's talk yeah, so cool conference, like
this is his second year doing it, I believe.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, if you make it out, we'll have to go
get Indian food.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
Yeah yeah where it's in Dallas. Yeah yeah yeah check
that commit your code dot com.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Yeah, good deal.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I brought that up specifically because I'm going to be
speaking JavaScript or type script.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's probably going to be typeescript, but anyway.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
So so, yeah, so you were also you mentioned a
couple of times a QCLI.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Do you want to explain what that is because now yeah,
there is.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Yeah, yeah, well so I want to speak of view COOMF.
I was just there and during my talk I mentioned
Amazon q c l I and I asked, like, has
anybody heard of it? And like, not many people have
heard of it, so hopefully some people, yeah, so hopefully
some people do. So we have Amazon q is our
our AI assistant to help developers create code. So we

(28:50):
have let me say, our official tagline on if you
look it up, it says the most capable generative AI
power Assist for software development is exactly the way we
put it. So we we're It's an AI system extension

(29:12):
that you can download for visual studio code. You can
try it out there you can actually down yep. You
install it just through the visual Studio, the extension marketplace, yep,
you can use it. Or we just came out with
the cli version of it, so it's kind of called

(29:33):
Amazon q Developer Cli. And this one you can install
with brew. You can sell for your Mac, Windows, Windows
subsystem for Linux and install it and it runs on
the command line and you have this kind of chat
interface with it, so you can open up your project.
You can run q chat on your command line and
you can be like, hey, take at add x y
z to my app, create add this feature, add a

(29:56):
social log in, and it will just run all the
code for you. Uses claud for in the background as
your model, so it helps does everything for you. It's
really slick. It runs commands on your command line, so
you can be like run LS or curl this website,
grab this information, change it over to markdown, and include

(30:18):
it into the context of the app of Amazon Qcli,
and then it will use that to help bring more context.
Has MCP support, so MCP's big everybody's talking about that
has support for that, so you put all your favorite
MCP servers in and once again it's free to use
with builder ID, which you don't need a credit card

(30:39):
or anything. You just need an email address and then
you can try it today. So I'd highly recommend everybody
check it out. Just we're just trying to get the
word out on it and like, hey, this is a
really awesome tool that you can use to help build
your apps with. Yeah, you don't, and some people get confused.
They think that it's only if you're using AWS or
Amazon products, and it has nothing to do with that.

(31:00):
Don't have to use AWS or anything. It's just a
gentic AI assistant that you can use for your coding.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
I want to clarify one term.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I just I know it's kind of a hot topic
these days in the AI market, but I never want
to assume that people know what things are. So MCP
is Model, Model Context Protocol, and that's what it stands for.
And essentially what it is is it's how do I
put it, It's kind of a way of annotating services
that your AI can use, and so it basically tells

(31:31):
the AI. I know how to set a calendar in
Google Calendar, I know how to set up an event,
or I know how to modify an event, or I
know how to do this or I know how to
do that, And so your model can query the MCP
server figure out what it's capable of doing, and then
when you ask it for things or ask it to
do things, then it'll say I can use this tool

(31:54):
to look things up or to to.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Do extra things.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
So and then it's not just to prompt like GPT
or GROCK or you know or claude, whereas just I
tell you a thing and you give me text back,
but it actually enables it to, like I said, go
look up more information or to interact with the service
in one way or another. And so it sounds I

(32:19):
love the idea of hooking MCP into some of these
tools because then you can make it do all kinds
of stuff.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Yeah, Like one thing, I did this video the other day.
If you look on our ABS Developers channel, I did
the top three MCP servers and you see a funny
video that I did. And one thing I really found
fun with one of the MCP servers I was working
with was the Brave Search MCP server. So you know,
models get out of date and they don't always have

(32:46):
the latest and greatest, but then you can saw this
MCP server that uses brave Search, and you can have
it search for content and then it can add it
in to the context window of the of Amazon to Cli,
so that way it can more intelligently answer your questions.
So you could have it go in and grab the

(33:07):
latest information to tail end, like one thing I've seen
a lot just playing around. I love tailwind. Any tailwind fans,
oh yeah, yep, But just setting up tailmend for the
first time takes you know, it's really easy. It takes
a few minutes. So I like to have my LLLM
do it, But my LLLM always gets confused and installs
tailwind CSS three instead of tailwin CSS four, so I

(33:28):
have to I could use something like an MCP server
that goes use the Brave search that searches the web
for tailwind for instead of tail and three, and then
download instructions and be able to install it for me.
So just little things like that are helpful.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah, just to back into that a little bit too.
So there's the idea of latent space in your model,
and the latent space is here's all the things that
we trained it on. And then the way that it
works is it predicts what the next word or token
should be in its response. So it can only really
do that off of the data that it was trained on.

(34:04):
And so Eric's talking about, hey, if it got trained
on data that's a year old or two years old,
then it doesn't know a lot or anything about tailwind four.
And so that's where he's saying, Yeah, I use an
MCP server that tells the AI here's how you go
look stuff up, right, And so then it goes and
it says, oh, well, I don't know anything about TAILWINDOCE,

(34:25):
I'm gonna go look it up, and then it pulls
it back in. It puts it in the context window,
which says, for the rest of the prompts that come
in this series, I'm going to remember the stuff in here,
and so then it can do the right thing. And
so yeah, it's super super handy to be able to
do that kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (34:42):
Yeah, that's a little bit of the talk head of
yukof gone back to that second. Because you do have
a limited amount of space that the LM has to
do things. So that's called the context window, yep. So
that way it doesn't remember everything forever, so it only
has a certin amount of space it can remember things.
So every time you talk to a large language model,

(35:04):
you want to make sure it has the right information.
You want to kind of preempt preempt the whatever AI
assistant tool you're using to make sure it has all
the information it needs. So that way it's not relying
completely on the model. Although the models you're getting so good.
I was at the cloud Code conference in San Francisco
last month and with the Cloud four announcement that came

(35:26):
out and did they're moving fast? Like yeah, And it's
always like every week there's another model, large language model
that's on top, and then someone leapfrogs them. And it's
really interesting to see how fast this industry is moving
but still contacts Windows. Things you still want to have,
like an MCP server is really nice to to help
solve some of these problems.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
But the other thing is is that if you have
an MCP server that, for example, will interact with GitHub
or you know, with your email service or with your
reporting service or things like that, then then you can
use it to do some of your work or to
get you better information or things like that. And so
even though it's not you know, I guess it personalizes

(36:11):
it more, is what I'm saying, because it can go
and get things that directly affect what you're concerned about
instead of just assuming generically you gave me this prompt
and here's my answer, and so it really does open
up all kinds of possibilities for you.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
In fact, in that video I just had the third
one I really liked was they get hub MCP server
so you can push up prs, you can do all
sorts of you can look through your own projects and
grab information then add that into what it any questions
that you ask.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Yep, yeah, there's so much cool stuff you can do
with that. So how do people get the qcli or installed?
You said, you can just get it as an extension
on vs code, which I assume works with cursor as well,
since that's its basis.

Speaker 4 (36:59):
What's the base? What? What do you say?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Cursor is based on bs code, so I'm assuming you
can get it there too if you want.

Speaker 4 (37:05):
Yeah, well, i'd probably recommend, and I'll maybe the show
notes is we have a GitHub repository. It's open source,
so we'll have Amazon q Developer Cli. I think maybe
try that one out first, and just you can either
search for Amazon que developers Cli through githubs look at
the show notes here, and then right on the GitHub

(37:26):
page is instructions on how to install it for mac os, Linux, Windows,
or you can even remote, like if you're cessation into
a box and you want to use it, you can
install it.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Oh nice.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
So I'm looking Eric, I'm just looking at the docs
page and then also looking at the report. Now, I'm
a fan of the WARP terminal, and I don't see
that listed in either places. Am I understand correctly that
you wouldn't be able to use it with Warp?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Now you should be able to use it with Warp. Yeah, okay,
that should work?

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Yeah, any I mean WARP is just a it's a
CLI but you know, sort of run your z shell
or your Bash or whatever. And so as long as
it's installed and you have a command line okay, access
from the command line, you should be able to run it, right, Okay,
I mean Warp has its own AI capabilities.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
And so.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah you might.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I don't know those, GiB Yeah, hey, good prompt for
q c L.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
I right, yeah, it's got Yeah, you can just with
home Bruce, I would assumently be But it's really cool.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
About the time we're in there's so many neat tools
out there, but it's uh, you can really kind of
pick and choose what you want to try out.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, you know the way I'm feeling listening to you know,
I've we've talked with people about MCP and you know,
we're talking about all this stuff, and I've been in
terms of the explosion of tools available. You know, we
used to talk about jobscript fatigue. With all the frameworks
and stuff, I'm sort of feel like I'm drowning and
all the different tools and ll ms and integrations and

(38:55):
stuff that well, that are available out there.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
As far as that goes, I mean, there are a
ton of tools out there that you can try. But
I mean I'm getting a ton of mileage out of
just copilot get hub copilot and then and that's just
because you know, at work, they've already got a license
for it.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
They're paying a license for me.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
And then you know, you can you can pick your
model that you want to use, and you can pick
a bunch of other stuff to integrate with it. They
just approved Cursor, I think, and that's the same. It's
the same kind of thing, right, you pick your model
and you'd let it do it do the work and
so yeah, it's it's really handy to just kind of
throw stuff at it and see where it goes.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
And if that's as far as you get, you're fine. Right.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
It's some of these other tools do other things, and
I think they're worth looking at. But if you're looking
to get started, something like the qcli or get hub
Copilot or Cursor or one of these other ones that
just hooks into an LM that's available on the internet
is a really good place to start. Yes, And I've
heard a lot of good things about Claude.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
So yeah, yeah, we I really like Claude works great,
check it out.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Very cool.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Well, yeah, was there something else that we wanted to
talk about here Amplify. Yeah, we got about ten minutes
and then we got to do picks so I can
make it to my meeting.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Me too.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, we certainly can talk about Amplify. I was gonna say, yeah, yeah, definitely,
Amplifies is going strong. If we don't know that, it's
a set of tools to help front end developers create
full stack apps on AWS, and it's kind of a
few different things. Just for anybody who doesn't know what
this is, it's a it's a supposed saying AI library.

(40:38):
We're talking about AIS so much. No, it's they have
a UI library for it, which is a free, open
source library you can download to have as like buttons
and a bunch of things to it. They also have
something called connected Components, which help you connect to AWS
services like your S three bucket, like as a file uploader.

(40:58):
It has something called storage Browser, and then it has
an authenticator which is a way to add in like
authentication into your app. And then it has like a
JavaScript and a typescript library, and then some other libraries
or some other frameworks. And then there's a hosting service.
So we have a hosting service so you can this
isn't funny. I was just listening to another rival podcast

(41:21):
because I won't name them, but they were.

Speaker 3 (41:23):
Talking people should know about them.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Yeah, Syntax FM with west Boss and them, And this
was like a couple months ago. And they're like, I
can't believe AWS doesn't have a managed hosting service, and
I'm like, yeah, we do. Haven't managed hosting service. It's
called AWS Amplify Hosting, so you can host your your
static sites or your service side rendered sites. We support next, JS,

(41:49):
astro View, React, Angular, all your favorite frameworks, so you
can have a managed hosting system. It's called as Amplify,
and we're adding new features all the time to that.
And then we have something called gen which is more
of our infrastructure's code tooling. So we found that a
lot of people like a lot of front end vs

(42:10):
when they look at AWS, they're like, wow, this is
like there's so much there and I got to be
an AWS expert. So we have some label levels of
abstraction on top of what we call our Cloud Development Kit,
which helps you create the back end for AWS, so
you can create s three buckets, am to functions. You
can even talk to Amazon Bedrock, which is our API

(42:31):
for a bunch of different AI models, large language models,
and then you can even drop down to our Cloud
Development Kit Layer CDK layer to add other things in.
So we have a bunch of different tooling for it
and we're just continuing to move forward. We're trying to
get just more people to know that AWS is definitely
an option for front end developers and that that it's

(42:55):
available out there and it's pretty competitive.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I remember a few years ago go I can't remember
who I was hearing about it from, but it seemed
like it was this super nice back end as the service.
It seems like there's a whole lot more to it
now with the UI components and some of the other
hosting options and your ability to you know, lock into
some of those services that are really nice to have,
like the Lambda functions and things like that. So, man,

(43:20):
I might have to go have another look at it.

Speaker 4 (43:22):
And by the way, I did reach out to Wes
after I heard that podcast on just on on X
and I'm like, hey, by the way, we do and
He's like, yeah, he knew about it just at that
one second. He I think even Scott ta Lensky mentioned
it after he like didn't realize we had it. So
for anyone's listening, you don't need to reach out to Wes.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
We talked.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
No public shaming required.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Yeah, yeah cool.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
So is that something that let's say that I'm using
react or View. We've talked a much about View. So
how do I start putting something together for Amplify. If
I'm thinking I kind of want to build a thing,
I don't necessarily want to be a back end expert,
and Amplify seems like it's something that will help you know,
how do you start plugging stuff into it and moving

(44:08):
fast and breaking things.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Yeah. Yeah, well we have a whole dock site. We
have a whole like getting started guide on our docks
dot amplify, dot aw dot AWS docks, dot amplify, dot
aabs and you can just follow like the getting starting
or getting started guide to look at how to use this,
and you can also mix and match that you can
just use the hosting by itself and not use any

(44:30):
of the back end services that we have. So that's certainly.
We have a whole amplify console. So once you sign
up for your AWS account, you just search for amplify
and then you can connect up your GitHub repository or
your git lab or a bunch of different version control
systems and then once you connect it, every time you
push it'll build your site and there you go. You

(44:52):
can have different branches if you want to have like
a testing branch and a QA branch, and so you
can have more well branches multiple We have obviously domains.
You can have multiple subdomains. You can pass or protect
them if you like. You can hook it into your
existing see ICD pipeline you have like Jenkins or something
like that. We have hooks available so you can have

(45:14):
it build. But I would say to start off with
just check out the docks dot amplified at aws and
take a look at some of the guides there and
then you can easily just connect it all.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, what's the URL for that.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Docs dot amplified at Okay?

Speaker 3 (45:30):
Oh, I didn't know a WS was the top level domain.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, oh it's dot as is the TLD.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Yeah, that's fancy.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah, you said amplify dot AWS and I was like,
I was like, okay, but what's the website? That's good
to know, very cool. Well, is there anything else going
on with you that we want to talk about here
with the last couple of minutes or should we just
move into picks?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
No?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Yeah, just I guess to go back, hope to see
if you are at any of these conferences. We're going
to be a yeah, come and say hi to us.
Everybody here on the skull included. I guess I know.
Steve's Steve. You said even you're gonna be a view
comp next here.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yep, that's the plan.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Yep, Steve. Do you want to start us off with
our picks?

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Sure? So before I get to the high point, of
every episode, at least the ones that I'm on. The
dad jokes I'm gonna pick a movie. And I saw
this when I was on my way to Washington, d C.
With my son's class the end of the last month, and
it was called One Life Who came out in twenty
twenty three. It stars Anthony Hopkins, and it's a true

(46:33):
story about a guy named Nicholas Weldon who in right
before Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia in nineteen thirty nine, they had
already taken over the sudett And Land and so there
was a lot of orphans and children there whose parents
had been taken or disappeared, and so he worked with

(46:54):
some other friends and arranged transport of a bunch of
orphans check children to England. And what made it tricky
was that England would only take them if they had
a family that was willing to take them, and they
had to pay fifty pounds for a fee for each
child to come across to come over, and so he

(47:17):
had to come back and use letters to the editor
in the media and raised a bunch of money and
was able to transport on eight different trains about six
hundred orphans to England to be with families, and the
plan was that they would be able to reunite after
the war, while that never happened because all their families
disappeared or were sent to the camps. And so he
sort of kept sat on it and kept it quiet,

(47:38):
and then in nineteen eighty eight, in nineteen eighties, it
was nineteen eighty seven eighty eight, he still had a
scrapbook of all these kids, yeah, the addresses where they'd
sent and he turned them over to a historian whose
husband happened to be a newspaper reporter, and they did
some investigation, and long story short, they brought him on
this British show called That's Life, which is sort of
a funny comedy type show, and over they introduced one

(48:01):
of the kids that he had saved that never knew
who had saved her, and then these kids started coming
out of the woodwork. I was one of the ones
that saved. And so the next week they had like
sixty actual kids that he had saved in the nighties
that never knew who had helped to get them out.
And he ended up being knighted by Queen Elizabeth in
the early nighties. Just it is an unreal story, fantastic story.
And the movie is really good and it actually recreates

(48:22):
the actual TV show from Britain. If you go on
YouTube and just googled Nicholas Winton, w I and to
Win That's life, it's the first thing that'll come up.
Really moving story and it was interesting for me because
I was on my way to d C and one
of the things that we saw was the Holocaust Museum
when we were there, which is quite a moving experience
in itself, but a really really good movie worth watching.

(48:44):
I've already watched it twice in the last month. So
on that note, we'll move to the dad jokes of
the week while I get my media set up here
real quick.

Speaker 4 (48:53):
So plus one on that movie, Yeah, have you seen
I've been watching YouTube clips of it and like, wow,
that really happened. Yeah, there's an interview they did with
Nicholas Winston and there was like a sixteen minutes interview
I think they do with him, and he's just one
of those humble, quiet guys that you ever seen, and
it's like he didn't want to brag about the scope
of what he did. But they said at the end

(49:13):
of the movie they estimate there are six thousand people
that are here as a result of what he did
back in nineteen thirty nine. So, anyway, did you know
this is some Star Wars trivia that Darth Vader had
a daughter named Ella Elevator getting right. So teacher tells
her class, all right, makeup a sentence that includes the

(49:36):
words defense, defeat, and detail, and the student rites, when
a horse jumps over defense, defeat go first, and then detail.
And then one time I was on a train and
this woman looked at me, this a really cute woman,
and said, every time you smile, I feel like inviting
you to my place. I said, are you single? She said, no,
I'm a dentist. So it's the dad jokes of the week.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
All right, I'm going to jump in here with my picks.
I always do a board game pick. I'm going to
pick a game. It's called camel Ups. It's basically a
camel race, and so what you're doing is you're betting
on which camel's going to finish first, which camel is
going to be the first and first at the end.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Of each round.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
There are other things that you can bet on as well,
but yeah, you get paid out at the end of
the round depending on what you bet on. And then
at the end of the game, if you were the
first person to pick the camel that won, then you
get money more money, and then the second place person
or the second person to pick that camel it gets money.
The third place person if you picked wrong, then you
it costs you a dollar or whatever the currency is.

(50:34):
It's it's kind of a fun game. As you move
the camels around. If it moves on to the same
space as another camel, it actually goes on top of
the camel. And then if a camel underneath, if a
camel moves and there camel's on top of it, they'll
move and so it moves itself and everything on top
of it, and so it's fun. It I think we
played it a half hour. And yeah, this is not

(50:57):
a new game by any means. Board game Geek has
has it at a weight of one point five so
really friendly, easy to pick up game. Way, the age
range it recommends is eight plus and it can play
up two to eight players and so anyway, super fun game.

(51:18):
So I'm gonna pick that one. And yeah, we we
just for my buddy's birthday. We all got together, me
and three other couples and we just played board games.
Then one of the couples left and then we played
other board games we could play with less people.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
So anyway, you're a wild and crazy guy. Check. It
was a lot of fun. So so camel up.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And then I've been listening to the Sort of Truth
Books by Terry Goodkind. I am in the middle of
the last one, the fifteenth book, and so, and it's
they kind of come in pairs and trilogies and stuff,
and so you know, you can kind of pick it
up in the middle if you pick the right book,
and you know, just listen to the two or three

(52:02):
that are in that kind of mini section of the series.
But they're really, really good. I really have enjoyed those.
I started reading them in high school and then I
went on a mission for the church and hadn't really
looked at him in years, and it turned out that
he'd written like eight more of them. So anyway, so
I'm gonna pick the Sort of Truth Books by Terry Goodkind. Yeah,

(52:26):
I think that's all I've got right now. So, Eric,
do you have some picks for us?

Speaker 2 (52:30):
I was gonna say real quick, with a name like that,
you certainly can't be a me and guy, can't you?

Speaker 4 (52:34):
Okay, yeah, sure, I have a couple. I love board games.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Those are fun.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
I've been I guess I'll just throw out here. My
wife gave me the NASA Artemis Space Launch System lego.
If you haven't seen this, it's like a ginormous Lego
spaceship that you put in that it since like docking
bay that you kind of like.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
It's at would love that. It's like three six hundred
and one pieces o cost.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Goes aren't cheap. It's and it's it's twenty eight inches,
is the height through seventy centimeters, it's it's it's a
big guy, but it's super fun putting in together. So
I've been spending my evenings before Red like putting together
this Lego monstrosity. And then while I've been doing that,

(53:26):
I've been watching I guess my other pick would be
the fifteenth Doctor. So I'm a Doctor Who fan, So
the latest one. His name is Shooty Gatwa, and it's
just a fun It's on Disney Plus, so you don't
even need to be really uh, you don't need to
know the six fifty year history of Doctor Who to
like jump in. They kind of set it up so

(53:47):
anybody could just start with this these new seasons that
are on Disney Plus. So it's been fun getting back
into Doctor here after a little bit of a break.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Yeah, how does that? How do they handle that? I've
never watched a but how do they handle the changing
of all the different actors who played Doctor? Who is
there like plotlines or is it just sort of seamless
and you just sort of assume it's the same basic person.

Speaker 4 (54:08):
Yeah, they regenerate like at the end of their run.
Usually it's usually a few seasons, and then they regenerate,
and then they usually don't reveal who the new doctor
is until like the next season, So you'll see them
kind of blowing up in a bunch of lights, and
then all of a sudden, the next season will come
out and they'll have a new doctor and it's they've

(54:29):
had all sorts of people in the last few years, right,
that's really interesting fun.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
So the regeneration is part of the plot line then.

Speaker 4 (54:36):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, even all the way from like
the first Doctor they he kind of falls over different
effects back then in the sixties, but then they regenerated
into the next Doctor.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yeah, originally they weren't like the the first doctor, the
actor I can't remember why he if he died or
if there was some other reason, but they had to
replace him, and so they invent the regeneration thing to
bring in a new actor, and then they've just used
it for fifty plus years. I remember going to the

(55:08):
fiftieth anniversary thing in the theater where they had stuff
and they like, I mean, nowadays they could just deep
fake it, but they had like brought in clips from
all the other doctors and so you had all the
doctor who's Anyway, it very very it's a fun series
for sure. I haven't watched I think the last doctor
I watched was Peter Capaldi or or whatever his name

(55:31):
is something like that. Yep, So yeah, I would like
to get back into it. I kind of want to
get my kids into it.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
So yeah, it's fun.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Yeah, and they do all kinds of shenanigans.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
One of the doctors tried to finagle it so that
he could regenerate back into his current form because he
liked it. You know, he's still regenerated into somebody else.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
But anyway, it's a very science fiction heavy, so if
you don't like science fiction, may not be your right
cup of tea. But it has a lot of science
fiction and drown in this latest season.

Speaker 1 (56:01):
Yeah, and the history on this it's very I mean,
it's fun humor, but there's plenty of kind of British
humor because it's a British TV show.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
So yeah, a lot of campiness too, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:12):
Very much.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Some of the campingis like in the eighties, it's like,
I don't I don't enjoy this. But in basically from
kind of the more modern ones I'm trying to remember
the first one, the guy before David Tennant, Chris Eggleston.
From then on, I mean there, yeah, some of the
effects it's like it's like, okay, you know, you didn't
budget enough for that, but they're you know, the campiness

(56:33):
is not so overboard that you're sitting there going, okay,
this is stupid. It's it's really been a good show
since then in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (56:40):
Yeah, if you want to go and see like really
bad science really good science fiction, but really bad special
effects and campiness, then go back and watch the classic
WHO series, which yeah, it's like from the sixties all
the way to like early eighties, and then you'll see
some really campy stuff. There's some really good episodes, but
a lot of things that you'll have to get used

(57:01):
to if you wanted to that. But you can start over.
They restarted this, rebooted the series or whatever in twenty
two thousand and eight ten something, right, that's where I
would start.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you get way into it,
you can go watch them. Just be ware.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
The other thing is is that on the Classic Doctor
Who they used to recycle the tapes and so they
don't have all of the old episodes, and so if
you're watching them in order what they have, sometimes their gaps.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah, the first two seasons for sure. Yeah, there's missing episodes.
Those are you can get it like on britt Box
if you want to watch that. It's two thousand and five.
It is when the new the New Modern Who started.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Yeah, but they're super fun.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
The modern ones are super fun and they each have
their own flavor of the Doctor which is also fun.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
So all right, good deal.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Well, before we wrap up, Eric, if people want to
get in touch with you or find you on the Internet,
where they find you.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Yeah, you can find me at I'm on x at
Eric sch I'm on Blue Sky. If you're a Blue
Sky fan at Eric ch or Eric cant On on
Blue Sky and yeah, probably those are the best places. Also,
if you look at the AWOS Developers channel, you can
find some videos for me on there. And that's on
YouTube and Instagram and LinkedIn.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Yeah, when he says Eric, Eric is spelled er I
K yes you r I k yep r ik.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah. If you can't find it, k you'll find.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
Are you still doing much on program with Eric?

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Yeah, I mean I have my YouTube channel. It's a
program with Eric on YouTube. I have stopped posting there
as much, but occasionally it still posts there too. Yeah,
so check out my YouTube channel, have many many videos
on there.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
All right, you're doing well once a week for a
long time if I remember, Yeah, yeah I used to.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
All Right, well, I'm gonna wrap us up. Thanks for coming, Eric,
It's good to see you again.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, good to see you.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
Right till next time. Pope's max out.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
Okay,

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