Go Canuck Yourself: Orca (1977) with Jason Murphy

Brian and Cargill charter a boat with Captain (Jason) Murphy as they set sail on a fishing trip/revenge quest against Orca!

As Jaws rip-offs go, this one is...a whale of a time.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Good evening, Edwin S.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Simon reporting Canada owns more of the US than any
other country.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
There is no Canadian culture.

Speaker 4 (00:12):
I've never read any Canadian literature.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
And when have you ever heard anyone say, honey, let's
stay in and order some Canadian food gods.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
I mean junk and watching.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
You better come out.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
And stop me.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
All right?

Speaker 5 (00:44):
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who are these guys?

Speaker 6 (01:07):
Or excuse me, did you just walk into a killer
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good it just has to be fattening. This is Brian

(01:28):
Salas Branham, joined as per usual by my friend and
co host. He is a novelist, He is a screenwriter,
a lieutenant of Megaporus, the man who would be Burger King,
mister c Robert Cargo. Hi, how's it going, man?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's going great.

Speaker 6 (01:41):
We are man. We're crossing a big one off the
list today. Weirdly, this this has been on my short
list for a very long time, and I'm glad we're
working into our theme month. But before we talk about it,
we have to welcome our very special guest coming back
to Jugfood Cinema. We have an extremely ordinary gentleman, a
rage selector, a modern rogue, and currently a practitioner of

(02:04):
the Strangers, mister Jason Murphy. Welcome back, sir. Hey, what's
going on? Thanks for having me. I cannot imagine talking
about this movie without you. No, I don't know what
that says about either one of us, but that is
just a statement effect. Man.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
Suddenly I'm like I saw Freud jump into the zoom.

Speaker 6 (02:25):
I know. Oh really, there's a lot to get into
psychologically about this movie. Maybe that's a good thing, maybe
it's a bad thing, but it's gonna happen, so buckle up.
As we are. We're in the final stages of Go
Conuct Yourself Figured Day, our celebration of Canadian Canadian let's

(02:51):
try that again, Canadian tax shelter movies A and this
one fits nicely into a nice little subgenre that we're
all obsessed with. I believe the Jaws knockoff film.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
The Pissed Off Nature, Jaws knockoff film, Oh Love.

Speaker 6 (03:08):
It, The William Girdler goes outside film If anyone, Yeah,
ask your grandparents about that joke. But I am so
excited that we are talking about nineteen seventy seven's Orca.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
The ancient Romans called him Orca, or Kindness Latin or
bringer of death. He is, without challenge, the most powerful
animal on the globe, the killer whale. Orca has forty
eighteen set in two impressive rows. In some respects, the
Orca's intelligence may be even superior to man's. They remain

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loyal to one mate for life. As parents, they are
exemplary better than many human beings, and like human beings,
they have a profound instinct for vengeance. Orca, starring Richard Harris,
Charlotte Rampling, Will Samson, Keenan Wynn, a spectacular adventure. It's

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on the depths of the sea to the top of
the world.

Speaker 6 (04:16):
It's going to be a fair fighting unequal terms.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
A fight to the death.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Between the two most dangerous animals on Earth, Man and Orca.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
This is like the biggest of the Jaws knockoffs, right,
would you guys say that?

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yes? But not one of the best.

Speaker 6 (04:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
We have a you know, there's there's there's several, uh,
there are several Jaws knockoffs that we have. We've covered
all of them and they are the best of the bunch.
And it's hard to touch them. You know. It's hard
to touch Alien, It's hard to touch the car. It's
hard to touch Peranya.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
In Torrera, in Torrera. Oh my god. There are so
many of these movies, and I will agree that maybe
this one is not the best, but I also feel
like it's better than it has any right to be.
At the same time.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I mean that's that, you know, I hate that phrase
in general, but I think it really applies here because
you know, the first act of this movie is a
whole thing unto itself, but the third act is a
whole other thing all into itself. Yes, so it is

(05:33):
one of those movies that by the end completely has
redeemed how you're distressing and offensive. It kind of is upfront,
And that's what I think is so interesting about this movie.
It's it's a whole it's a whole movie that seems
to be apologizing for itself until the end when it
goes fuck it, let's go full exploitation.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, I mean there are exploitation elements throughout that are surprising,
and honestly, I think they they are used and the
effect is what they intended.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
It was meant to shock, it was meant to horrify you, and.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
The rest, like the rest of it is this character
basically saying, yeah, I fucked up. The movie is like
apologizing for the opening acts, which are so heinous that
it's like, it's so.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Bad you can't even get on board with the protagonist.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Oh no, not for a while. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (06:35):
I think on a lot of levels this movie should
have been called mischoozy.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well, I mean, that's That's the other thing that needs
to be mentioned here, because this is not just one
of our favorite things, the Jaws knockoff film, it is
two of our favorite things, the Italian knockoff film.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
This is a secret Italian knockoff movie because it was
shot mostly in Newfoundland trying to get that sweet, sweet
Canadian tag shelter. But at the same time, the driving
force is the tiny shrieking hammerhead shark that is Dino
de la Renis.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Also as a Canadian tag shelter film, this movie tries
very hard to sell that it is an it is
set in America, and that is an American movie. And
they don't even try to hide the Canadian flags.

Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, they really.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Like there's a Canadian flag in the church.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Like if you look at the shots of the shorts, like, yeah,
that's Newfoundland.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
It's like, that's Newfoundland.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
But he's like, I hate America. I you know, they're
really trying to sell the American and and you know,
God bless them.

Speaker 6 (07:40):
It's it's working on some level. I love that it's
either Newfoundland or it's Malta trying to be Newfoundland and
every part of that trying to be America. Yeah, get
your passports ready on this one. Also, just the inception
of this movie is the most Italian shit I've ever
heard in my life, which was that the screenwriter slash
producer on this movie Luciano of vin Vin. I'm never

(08:01):
gonna get this name right Vincenzoni, who also wrote The Good,
to Bad and The Ugly For a few dollars more
Duck you Sucker, Raw Deal So, in addition to some
of the greatest spaghetti westerns of all time, also wrote
Raw Deal. So lots of love about this particular screenwriter
gets a call in the middle of the night after
Dino de la Rentis watches Jaws and calls him and

(08:22):
says that he wants a movie immediately with quote a
fish tougher and more terrible than the Great White and.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
We haven't figured out how to do the meg yet,
so right.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Well, that reminds me of like Stephen king story of
Kubrick calling him in the middle of the night during
the production of The Shinings, like.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Do you believe in God?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Like?

Speaker 2 (08:48):
But it's Dino deal o reenttis quig I want a
shock movie.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
And then apparently he would go to screenings. By the way,
when the movie opened in Hollywood, he would just show
up at screenings, and when he saw that wasn't making
any money, just started yelling in the lobby, why no
one like my whale? Is that true? That is true?
That's not it? It sounds like a bit. That's actually what
he did. He literally, oh my gosh, he streaked, why
nobody like my whale? In the lobby of movie theaters.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Gargil, get you, please stop with all the fancy movies.
Get to the fancy deal O reentis biopic that we
all want, like or you know what, no no, I'm
gonna do it. Never mind, I'm gonna write a movie.
It didn't really happen, but I'm gonna write a movie
with do you know deal Oarrentis and uh John Millius

(09:35):
and Sam Peckinpaul and they all go down to Mexican.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Case full of whiskey, drive down to Mexico.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
And it's called Dino Day Afternoon, and it's gonna be amazing.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Look, every story I hear about Dino Dala Rerentis, it
is more amazing than the one before it. You know,
He's just one of those great Hollywood characters and Hollywood monsters.
And like, you know, I made a movie called The
Black fe at the studio that he built in Wilmington,

(10:04):
North Carolina. And you know the thing about that studio
is Dino had this brilliant idea. He was like, the
problem with so many studios is that they are so
far away from the airport. So I'm going to make
a studio that's five minutes from the airport so that
when people land they can go right to set and
be right there. And then he realized, and everybody that

(10:27):
shot there realized that he made a movie studio five
minutes from an airport.

Speaker 6 (10:35):
Yeah, so that every ten.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
To fifteen minutes you have to stop shooting for the
planes flying overhead.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Oh my god, I feel like he needed one of
the thor Ragnarok gifts. They're like, the big problem with studios,
They're not close enough to the airport, is it? Is
it the big problem with studios.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
The number, the number of times we had to pause
shooting to hold for a plane over head. Oh, I'm
shooting inside in on a sound stage. It was unreal. Uh,
very close to the airport, though very convenient.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
I mean, on the one hand, you know, he puts
an emotion a movie about a killer whale, and he
obviously doesn't know anything about killer whales, and so there's
a lot of there's a lot of this movie that
that feels like it's held together with like Marinara Sauce
and Bubblegum and hope. But at the same time, because
he is Dino de Laurentis, he's able to pull strings
and get any O Morricone to do the score.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Oh yeah, it's the score is Italian as fuck. Uh,
and the movie's Italian as fun. It means Italians in
that none of the actors are Italian like they did
that that overwrought final song.

Speaker 6 (11:54):
Yeah credits, Oh yeah, my god, was that a song
that was cut out of the Star Wars Holiday special?
Because it really feels like a song that should have
been a holiday special.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
It was also Italian as fuck h of course.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
Oh yeah, every everything, everything about this movie is in
fact the weirdest. Actually, the one thing I will say
that's not Italian about this movie is how well they're
what you'd consider the standard Italian we went to work
in Italy B list cast is, and how well they've
aged to the point that this is positively oscar ridden,

(12:31):
fucking classy as fuck cast. You know, the top line
here is Richard Harris and Charlotte Rampling, Like these are
not people you expect to be in a Jaws knockoff movie.

Speaker 6 (12:43):
Not at all, not at all.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
It's it's Richard Harris as like Quint minus all the charm.

Speaker 7 (12:50):
Oh yeah, and so he's so charmless in this movie
that with a literally added last minute voiceover to tell
us how attracted Charlotte Rampling found him, because otherwise you.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Would not buy it. I am convinced that all three
of the voiceover parts in the movie aren't in the
script and are literally like after they showed it and
they're like, this movie doesn't make any sense. Why is
she with him? Why? Why is she traveling out to
sea with him? Why? Why is she into him? Like
none of this makes any bugging sense.

Speaker 6 (13:20):
That narration was so strange.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Yeah, it was just it would go away for the
longest time and then suddenly stand.

Speaker 6 (13:27):
By me again. I struggled watching this movie trying to
determine which was more useless, the narration in this movie
or any of the Free Willy sequels. Like I know,
I couldn't figure it out.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
The narration is absolutely essential here. Without the narration, you
don't understand why she invites him into bed in the
third act.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
Because do we need to know at that point?

Speaker 1 (13:49):
I mean, if you're watching it without the narration, there's
like why is she on the boat with them? Why
why did she go? And I thought she was like
against this whole.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Thing because she found him dumbledoorable. Yea, you had to
fire one back at Brian.

Speaker 6 (14:10):
Yes, I love it. I'm so here for Cargo. I'm sorry.
I got to push back a little bit here. The
idea that we need motivation for these two to end
up together after we have seen an actual, an actual
killer whale miscarriage live on screen. I'm just not sure
that I at that point, I know, I'm checked out.
Like you don't have to explain anything to me from

(14:31):
that point forward. I oh, when that happened.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Okay, I had to throw that back at both of you.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
There's a hotline now in Texas where you could call
report cargo for that.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Joke that uh my jaw dropped.

Speaker 4 (14:50):
I forgot about that scene.

Speaker 6 (14:53):
And just how gonzo it is.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Oh, and by the way, how much effort they want
to set that up? Like we literally get an image
of and uh of whale fetus, just so that when
we see a whale feet is, we know what that is.

Speaker 6 (15:13):
Have you ever like thrown like you washed a fork
and you threw it into the dish rack, but you
missed it and it hit a bottle and then the
bottle knocked over and then like knocked a glass off.
Now imagine that is happening, except that the fork is
a female killer whale, and then the bottle of beer
is a baby killer whale. Like it literally is just
a domino effect of bad things happening.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't understand this metaphor at all.

Speaker 6 (15:36):
I don't either. It's a towering don't worry about I think.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
If I, if I can translate cargil, I think what
Brian is trying to say is final destination.

Speaker 6 (15:45):
But with a whale miscarriage. Yes, yes, not the monkey,
but the orca. Like everything's gonna fall into place, except
at the end of it, two whales are gonna be
because he's aiming at a completely different orca. He hits
a female one. That happens to me. Pray, Like every
I think he tries to do to correct the situation
just makes it worse, and it comes off almost comical
because it's just like, okay, stop, please stop. This is

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not meet the parents. What is happening right now?

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And did we have Richard Harris? Who I believe was he,
Sir Richard Harris? I don't think you don't know. I
don't think it was nineteen eighty five until he was
officially knighted.

Speaker 4 (16:20):
Okay, well, Richard Harris hosing a dead whale feetus off
the deck of a boat.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
It's so callous. It's like the event that's going to
completely change him as a human being, but also the
event where he goes, I don't want that on my deck.
Please hose down the deck and hose that whale fetus
into the ocean.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
And the Papa whale had thoughts. This guy, he is
anthropomorphized completely.

Speaker 6 (16:47):
It's like the noises. He's basically going, d.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Okay, I need to I need to go back a second,
because we talked about Sir Richard Harris and his knighthood,
which was in nineteen ninety five nineteen eighty five, but
was not knighted in England. He was knighted by Denmark.

Speaker 6 (17:07):
I didn't know that's a thing you could be.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Richard Harris is a Knight of Malta.

Speaker 6 (17:13):
What wow, I did.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Not know any of You're gonna listen to a podcast,
get some edumacation out of it.

Speaker 6 (17:24):
That's hilarious. I was very educated by the fact that
apparently this was sort of a suicide mission for Richard Harris.
Apparently he found out during the making of this movie
that his wife was cheating on him, like some picture
surface of his wife with a younger man. So he
opted at that point to do all of his own
stunts and according to the research, almost died multiple times

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making this movie, and also spent the majority of the
production drunk off his ass like this was a real like.
I hope he makes it back from Orca.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Hold on, that's not special. That last part is every
Richard Harris movie.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
I mean, yeah, but he was that drunk without Richard
Burton being around, and without you know, Lawrence of Arabia
being around. Who.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
I don't think he needed drinking buddies to get drunk.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
He's but he had the legendary drinking buddies.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Oh yes, oh yes, he fucking did.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
Yeah, there's there's a book about it. Yes, and a
weird rivalry with a guy who should have been his
drinking buddy, Oliver Reid, who literally was in Gladiator with
Richard Harris, and Oliver Reid proceeded to drink himself to
death while making Gladiator. Why weren't they friends? I don't
understand it.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Because because Richard Harris was a fucking mensh and Oliver
Reid was a fucking dick.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
That's really Oh yeah, oh yeah, that was true.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Richard Harris told one of my favorite stories of all time,
Hollywood stories of all time h on a late show
uh before a couple of years before he passed. But
he was on one of the late shows, and he
told a story about meeting Bruce Willis on a red
carpet and he tapped. He was like, oh my god,
it's Bruce Willis. And he tapped Bruce Willis on the
shoulder and said, oh, I just wanted to say I'm

(19:08):
a I'm a huge fan. And Bruce Willis was so
annoyed he looked him up and down and then without
saying anything, turned back around. And so Richard Harris did
the only thing Richard Harris could do is he tapped
him on the shoulder again, and Bruce Willis turns around,
looks at him, and he goes, I'm sorry, I mistook
you for someone else.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Well, he did have his final revenge, and perhaps now
that we know that they were rivals and about Richard
Harris's prominence of his being a knight, because where did
Oliver Reed die?

Speaker 4 (19:51):
Fucking Malta Harris.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Richard Harris killed Oliver Reed on the set of Gladiator.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It starts right exactly how it happened.

Speaker 6 (20:02):
But I love this. I'm going with this conspiracy theory
one thousand percent. I love it. Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
After these messages, we'll be right back.

Speaker 8 (20:12):
Humanoids from the deep. They're not human, but they hunt
human women, women, not for killing, for mating. You can scream,
you can run, you can.

Speaker 6 (20:30):
Hide, but they will find you.

Speaker 8 (20:35):
Humanoids from the deep ridgedarow.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
We haven't even mentioned this, but there's an uncredited pass
on this script by Robert Town last detailed Chinatown. Robert
Town did a pass on this script.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
That may that tracks, that actually tracks considering how interesting
this lead character is. Oh yeah, this movie. And let's
let's let's lay out the movie because I, first of all,
I don't think we've actually even said the title of
the movie in this podcast that all.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
Yet I set it up top just to set up
the trailer. I am so excited that we are talking
about nineteen seventy seven's.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Orca Orca, so they'll like to hayes.

Speaker 6 (21:34):
But yes, we haven't mentioned it a lot since then.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But I didn't remember if we actually said it out loud.
But yeah, it's this movie is bananas. This movie is
a revenge movie, but the person getting revenge is not
what you'd expect, like in Jaws the revenge where the
wife is like tracking down the shark that killed her husband.
This is the story of a whale tracking down the

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guy that killed his whale wife and whale child.

Speaker 6 (22:03):
It is frightening to me how badly you misremember Jaws
The Revenge, because that movie is actually about the shark
going after the Brodie family, which is what makes it
so fucking insane. Like and in fact, I will say this,
though car Gil is a setup, the Orca in Orca
makes the Jaws in Jaws four look like super laid
back in show like this Orca isn't just isn't just

(22:24):
prepared to kill you for killing its family. It's going
to burn down an entire town.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Well they would, they would close in on the orca's eye,
like and he's looking at Richard Harris and it's like, oh, motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, Oh this movie. I cackled out loud half a
dozen times in this movie because the way they shoot
this movie, they use all the classic tropes of like
hitchcocky and shot structure to show you know, the the
you know, the the the need for revenge, right down

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to there's a shot where the whale comes out and
he's watching and this red light is flashing on it
and they close it on the eyes and then we
get a superimposed image of Richard Harris in the eyes,
and we're like, oh, this motherfucker is dead, and it
is fucking hilarious while also being an incredibly maudlin film

(23:23):
that does not have a sense of humor at all.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Then you have those close ups of the eye and
I'm watching it and going, are they trying to tell
me that this killer whale is crying, that he's raising
his head out.

Speaker 6 (23:38):
Of the water and weeping.

Speaker 4 (23:40):
That seems to be what you're trying to tell me.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
When his wife, you know, gets shot and hoisted up
and they do this slow motion ah, oh no, it's
so good.

Speaker 6 (23:54):
It is so vocal.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
It's so fucking entertaining. I cannot even express. My wife,
who was watching with our new puppy, was so upset
at this upset she oh my god, she was. She
was just like, it was like, Cargil, where the fuck
are we watching this movie. I'm like, because I because
I'm covering it for junk food, And She's like, I

(24:16):
don't like this movie.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
Just tell her to blame Canada like the rest of
this month.

Speaker 9 (24:20):
I mean, man, when the way just the amount of
gore and the amount of violence and how cruel the
capture of the attempted capture of the the the whale is.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
It's so fucking distressing. Also, as violent as this movie is,
I was really tickled by the fact that it is
UH on Amazon Prime, which tells you the rating and
what what it's rated for. Guess what the rating is
and what it's rated for just ballpark. What do you
guys think?

Speaker 6 (24:58):
I think it's rated PG.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Yes, do you know what it's rated?

Speaker 10 (25:01):
PG four No whale abortion smoking, because again back to
it being Italian as fuck, there are like, like ridiculous
amounts of blood.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Point ridiculous amounts of blood uh bo Derek loses a
leg on material spray from her material spray No no,
no PG for smoking. That is the most twenty twenty
five shit I have ever seen.

Speaker 6 (25:30):
One thing I learned from this movie is that orcas
are dicks, And by that I mean the movie taught
me that this orc is a dick. And then my
research into orc has revealed that this movie's not terribly
far off and how dickish orches can actually be.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Ok.

Speaker 6 (25:43):
It seems especially tickish that that whale bit off the
one good leg that Bo Derek had, not the one
that was already in a cast the whale bit off
her good leg.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Also, can we draw attention to the fact that this
whale is an eco terrorist and destroyed a refinery in
an improbable sequence of events?

Speaker 6 (26:08):
You know, once again we say that.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
However, at the same time, this is the same species
that's attacking rich people's boats in the in the Strait
of Gibraltar.

Speaker 6 (26:20):
Ye give me more of that.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, whales have apparently been good for years at disrupting
fishing industries, and this movie shows that by it.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Like, the other thing I love about this movie is
that it's essentially Rocky three where Richard Harris is Rocky
and the whale is clubber Lang. Because the orca keeps
doing this not to kill Richard Harris, but to convince him,
to coax him into fighting a battle with him at
the venue the whale has chosen, which is the sea.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
On an iceberg, And he says, oh no, like he
basically says, we have to fight the whale like man.

Speaker 6 (27:01):
To man, I'm pity the fool that don't know Orca
whales kill for fun and living complex social structures.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
He just goes all moby Dick and he's like, no,
not the gun.

Speaker 6 (27:12):
It's like, what is what's happening?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You brought up something very interesting that I This is
one of the things that I think is the only
thing that truly frustrates me about this movie, because I
do enjoy this movie. Where this movie goes is so
just bonkers, and I keep saying it, but it's but
it's fucking bananas. Like the final death scene is one

(27:37):
of the most ludicrous things I've seen in a long time.
And I literally have watched The Monkey twice, so but uh,
but so the one real stretch of credility in this
whole fucking movie.

Speaker 6 (27:52):
Oh you found the one? Got it? Okay?

Speaker 4 (27:53):
Go.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
This guy has been a fisherman his whole life, knows
all about fishing, and seems to know absolutely nothing about
whales at all. It's like he just discovered that whales exist,
and he's like, well, we should catch one. Oh my god,
did you see that those whales? That's that's insane. We
should absolutely like, you know when because you know, we

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open with a great scene of an orca knocking a
plastic shark out of the.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Water, like like just body checking him and knocking him
full out of the water.

Speaker 6 (28:26):
It's the most Canadian thing in the movie because that
whale checks that shark into the boards like he's fucking
messier out there.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
And he is plastic as hell, which is amazing because
first of all, the movie opens up as as stock
footage to the movie, and it's very clear that they're like,
we're ripping off Jaws. Here, we're ripping off the opening
sequence of Jaws. We're going through the water, and uh,
just pay attention to those strings, don't they They don't
they sound just familiar enough not to get sued and uh,

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and then he sees this, this Orca body check a
shark and goes, shit, we ought to catch us at Orca.
I'll but we can make a lot of money doing that.
And it's like you never And then he has to
have a whale expert explain whales to him, because no
matter how long this man's been at sea, he does
not understand wales. It should be just the opposite he

(29:17):
should be explaining to her, you know, like I have
been at sea my whole life. Let me tell you
about fucking whales. Don't talk to me, woman who's in
a university instead. No, he's just I'm a simple man,
you know. I'm just a simple man who apparently hunts
sharks and knows nothing about orcus uh. And then it
becomes exposition dumped the movie as we learn everything you

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ever needed to know about wales to make this movie
make sense.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
There was some filler like that.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, especially to bring it back to the here's the giant,
here's what a giant whale fetus looks like.

Speaker 6 (29:52):
Look at his little fingers. Yea.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
It sets all of that up this whole, like David.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Attenborough explains section and with all that stock footage, like
how how much padding was there of whales swimming along together?

Speaker 4 (30:10):
To that Nyo morricone score four minutes?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
The movie does not. I timed it because I was like,
when does this movie actually start? Because it feels like
there's a lot of film. Four minutes is when we
first see the first tape of the whale the whale song,
and then we see the guy out in the boat,
and it takes four minutes of a ninety two minute
movie to get going.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
Hey, Cargill, sometimes it takes a while to get to
the man in the boat. Okay, let's not fucking throw
shade on that.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Hey, look, you know it happens to a lot of men. Brian.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
All I'm saying is also Chekhov's adorable whale fetus needs
to be added to the checkof Encyclopedia of Junk Food Cinema.
Not what I was expecting, but definitely one that happens
in this movie. And also, I think you maybe mischaracterized
Richard Harris as a fisherman. He's evidently more of a
talent scout for world because his old thing is he
wants to catch these things alive and sell them to aquariums.

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Keeps talking about how the aquariums are gonna give him
like a thousand dollars a foot for sharks and whales,
and he's just like he's so excited to catch them alive,
and yet his first instinct is to fire harpoons at them.
I don't think he really understands what his job is either.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I want him to reveal later going as she's explaining
the whales tube and he's like, really, he just sounds
in awe and then she said, you really don't know
any of this. You don't know any of this, And
then later we learn he's as he's going off to
fight on the iceberg.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
Well, I never learned to swim either. I'm pretty much
the worst fisherman ever. Yeah, exactly, there never was an aquarium.
The Gordon's fisherman has more credibility.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
What does this big wheel do? I don't understand.

Speaker 6 (31:55):
I bought this boat at an auction three weeks ago.
What is it? Red Sky at Night Sailors eat right?
I don't remember. Let's go fuck it, eat Rice.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
That is right.

Speaker 6 (32:07):
Yeah. So the plot of this movie, in case we
haven't made it clear, is that this this hapless fisherman
played by Richard Harris, attempts to capture a Orca whale alive,
fails at it miserably because he's not good at his job,
kills the the whale's mate and it's unborn calf, and
then that whale decides to get revenge, and I love that.
Richard Harris's first instinct is I'm not fucking going out there,

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like It's not exactly Quint, because Quinn's like, oh, fucking
fight that shark till I'm dead, and Richard Harris is like,
so if I stay on land, it can't fuck with me. Okay,
Bye bye whale.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Speaking of Quint, another one of the big ripoffs is
the great shot on the iceberg when he's the iceberg up.

Speaker 6 (32:47):
Yes, when we say it's the tip of the iceberg,
we mean it's the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's the tip.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Also extra points for will Samson, the magical indigenous man
who shows up with his wisdom.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
His broken English wisdom. White man.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
Kind of convinced he was dubbed for this movie little racist.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Just I mean, it's Italian, so you expect a lot
of racism, but just the little racism. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
No, I'm pretty sure he was dubbed because I sidebar
watching this movie. I found out he was in another
creature feature the same year, The White Buffalo with Charles Bronson,
which is literally about crazy Horse and wild Bill Hiccock

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teaming up to chase down and kill a gigantic white
buffalo that's been killing Indigenous people. And it sounded insane.
So I watched it, and in that movie he sounds
completely different than he does in this film. So I
am one hundred percent sure that the Italians just dubbed
Wilson for this movie.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
Oh wow.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Also, h oh hey, oh, there's Keenan win uh out there.

Speaker 6 (34:07):
He goes he didn't he didn't lose in this movie
because he's out of this movie so fucking fast that
Will goes up and gets it. He's hanging on the
prow of the ship and that Will jumps up and
takes him down like he's a red ball hanging from
above a SeaWorld aquarium.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Dude, that scene fucked me up as a kid. That.
Oh no, that's the scene that I remember most about
this movie. Whenever Orca comes up, I remember that. Oh yeah,
because I saw this movie like when I was eight
on HBO. Yeah, because it was rated PG. They put
it on during the day, because fuck it. That's why
this is one of those seminal movies for me that

(34:44):
really just cemented that I was supposed to write horror
movies for a living.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
When I saw it as a kid around that same age,
it was in heavy rotation on like HBO and Cinemax
and stuff like that. I just remember I was not
sophisticated enough to understand of the moral implications, and I
was just like, what he just he just he just
kills the hunter and it's over.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
What now? Of course, I'm like, yeah, it's not that
kind of movie, dumbass, Yeah, yeah, I don't think think
it knows what kind of movie it is because it changes.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I do disagree with that. In fact, the thing is is,
I think this movie has more in and that. Here
here's the bold statement. This movie has more in common
with Uh, prom Night than it does Jaws.

Speaker 6 (35:34):
Yeah, because that shark is or that whale is systematically
deliberately and with a lot of ingenuity, picking those people
off one by one.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
For something they did on accident in the first act.

Speaker 6 (35:45):
Yes, this is a whale giallow film.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yes, where Jaws two is a serial, is a is
a slasher movie? Orca is a Giello film.

Speaker 6 (35:56):
Your supply of delicious penguins is a locked room and
only I have.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
The No, I'm picturing the shark plucking keenan Win off
that boat with black leather gloves.

Speaker 6 (36:07):
I mean his whole skin looks like black leather. Like
the whale is one giant black leather glove. I said,
shark Jesus.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
I mean, wow, that's yeah, that's uh, it's it's cruising two.

Speaker 4 (36:19):
Oh god, No, you're that movie has dolphins, that's Jesus
and hoters.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
Look. I I did learn like the course of this
movie because the first thing it does after depowering keenan
win is it. Its first real target is the entire
fishing industry of Saint John's Newfoundland, and it takes out
all those boats that aren't even Richard Harris. It's just
to kind of be like, I'm leaving your boat because
you're coming out here to fight me again. It's playing

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mind games with Richard Harris, which is amazing. And it's
got these Max Katie like moments of stalking Harris and
like breaching the surface to stare menacingly at him, like
if this whale popped up out of the water and
called him counselor. I wouldn't be surprised for a second.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Dude, that the scene when it does that with the
red light flashing. The only thing it's missing is that
that great sound effect.

Speaker 6 (37:09):
The Iron Side soundtrack. Yep, oh my god. It's the
one thing missing from Vertigo. I feel is a killer
whale like Jimmy Stewart, Kim Novak and a killer whale
would have been absolutely perfect in that movie, Come on, Hitch.
But I kept watching this thing and like, Okay, this

(37:29):
is this is insane, Like this has gotta be the
most Italian thing, Like orches aren't like this is this
doesn't make any sense. Then I go and find out
that orchies in real life are fucking maniacs, Like they're
one of the only creatures that kill for fun. They
will kill animals, not to eat them, but just because
they think it's amusing. And I read one thing about
how there have been orchest spotted with dead salmon on

(37:51):
top of their heads like hats. Oh like that they're wearing,
And I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
That thing that had see damn it. This is one
of those stupid things I know that would happened for
a period of time because whales have fads and they
will just decide to do a thing. And they started
wearing salmon, and then they stopped, and just recently they've
been seen wearing salmon again because salmon are back this season.

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Salmon are back in season in a lot of different ways.
But all I'm saying is you read that and you're like,
I think about my childhood, and I'm like, oh, no,
Free Willy shouldn't have been freed at all, because he's
essentially the Garland Green of the animal Kingdom, traveling across
state lines with his victim's head being worn as a hat.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
My dude, They are not called domino whales. They are
not called black and white pupper whales. They are called
killer fucking whales. They have been called killer whales in
different languages for over two thousand years because as long
as humans have gone to the sea, they have known
how fucked up killer whales can be. And we are

(38:52):
such assholes that we went, you know what, We're gonna
put them in a tank and make them jump for fish.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
As of this recording, they have uh recently been able
to use artificial intelligence to have conversations with whales. Yeah,
and I like to imagine that the whale just keeps saying,
come closer, we won't hurt you.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
You should get in my mouth. It is it is there,
It is comfortable in there.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
I really just want to think that some whales are
going to be like, why don't you guys talk to
the people that live down here?

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (39:30):
Actually, I just uh, I just read this. The WGA
is striking again because apparently orches with AI are trying
to write screenplays now.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Old, I'm wait, isn't that a south Park episode? That
was that was south Park said it was just a
bunch of manatees writing Fansmily that's right.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
See, that's why, that's why I didn't give immediate credence
to Well, they're called killer whales. I'm like, yeah, but
drunk sailors also called manates mermaids. Like, I'm not trusting
those fucking alcoholics. I'm only trusting the alcoholic in this
Richard Harris, you.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Put a wig on it, or she'll keep you warm
at night.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I do. I do love the moment that they have
a weird ass scene with Richard Harris fore he's talking
to the Priest's like, oh you're Irish. Yeah, yeah, I am.
I never could lose the accent though, been here sixty.

Speaker 6 (40:16):
Years, sixty years, and it's just old and strong. That's
a hell of an accent.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
After these messages, we'll be right back, Karana.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Voracious flesh eating fish common to warm water climbs, attacking
in schools of hundreds.

Speaker 6 (40:35):
Their razor sharp.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Teeth can strip a man of the bone in less
than a minute. Not bound in American waters. But you no, Arana,
they're here and they're hungry.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Marana, break it off.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Can we all point out that the director also did
The dam Busters, and Logan's run was.

Speaker 6 (41:05):
The dam Busters about a pot of killer whales going
after a hydro electric dam, because I would believe that.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
No, it's about the World War One bombers.

Speaker 6 (41:14):
Oh very cool.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
I mean the uh Peter Jackson tried to make dam
Busters movie for really Oh yeah, yeah, he's a big fan.

Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh yeah, that Uh no, it's a that's that's a
great film. I haven't seen it in a long time,
but I remember really liking it. Of course, you know
Logan's Run.

Speaker 6 (41:34):
Yeah, which movie do you think has the Bleaker ending?
This or Logan's Run? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Oh this, I mean, come on, this, this movie it literally,
I mean, first of all, one of the great cinematic
aquatic kills of all time, where you know, it catches
Richard Harris on its tail, then flings him at an iceberg,
slamming him into it, where he then slides off the

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iceberg and drifts slowly into the water, like I mean,
fucking amazing. But yeah, Logan's Run at least ends in
a way that leads to like they created a whole
TV show about the ending. Oh yeah, but yeah. Also,
you forgot to mention that this director directed around the
world in eighty days.

Speaker 10 (42:22):
Oh yeah, yeah, which is where he was trying to
throw Richard Harris.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Around the world.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Well he also directed, like, look, this is someone we
don't really talk about. Michael Anderson doesn't get mentioned a lot,
but he as a director directed a fuck ton of movies,
some of them, you know, stuff we should cover at
some point, like Millennium sort of Gideon.

Speaker 4 (42:51):
Oh, holy crap, that Millennium.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, that Millennium. Yeah, Doc Savage, The Man of Bronze.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
That that's a disappointing film.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
All the Fine Young Cannibals.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Oh, they drive me crazy like no one else.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
He directed the nineteen fifty six version of nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 6 (43:17):
Well, that's just confusing.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Intentionally he did. He did a bunch of stuff, like
he really did direct a bunch of stuff and good stuff.
So uh yeah, it's uh, this is one of the
and this was clearly in his you know weird run
where it's like, uh, you know, I need to work,
so I'm gonna make a make a Canadian tax shelter movie.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Oh did you you joke?

Speaker 6 (43:41):
Brian?

Speaker 2 (43:41):
But the movie All the Fine Young Cannibals is actually
where the band got the name.

Speaker 6 (43:46):
I would have to imagine that there aren't a lot
of literary or film references to the term fine young Cannibals. Yeah, yeah,
right before Robert Wagner.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Totally didn't kill Natalie Wood.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
By the way, all the Cannibals starring Robert Wagner and
Natalie Wood.

Speaker 6 (44:03):
Yes, sorry, look, no, no. What Murphy is saying is
there might have been an Orca involved in Natalie Wood's murder.
We're not sure, we're looking into it. We know that
they do kill for sport.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
So I want to see that version of the Watch
story from Christopher Walken.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
Whale comes out of the water.

Speaker 6 (44:25):
Had this uncomfortable calf up its ass, and we've sprayed
it off the deck. Like, what the fucking what happened?
That happened in a movie that we watched, folks, that
happened in this movie? Yeah, Robert Wagner going, you know, Chris.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
We can't tell anybody what really happened, right, Just let
him think I killed her.

Speaker 6 (44:45):
I can just imagine him turning to Christopher walking and
saying that as he's spraying.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
Those looking where he's spraying, I'm gonna go get some
more quay ludes.

Speaker 6 (44:57):
Is that bow Deeric? Yeah? It is.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Actually I love how all of us have done our
terrible walking impressions.

Speaker 6 (45:04):
I know they're so bad. Mine is so terrible.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Uh yeah, I want to see the sequel with Bo
Derek coming back as like Lieutenant Dan.

Speaker 6 (45:12):
Bo Derek, like is now the captain of the ship
with a peg leg? Absolutely, yes, Bo Derek in her
first released film. She was apparently in another film prior
to this, but he didn't get released till after Orca,
so this is effectively her feature film debut, and in
her feature film debut she gets her leg bitten off
by a killer whale.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
I mean, your first film is rarely the big.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Role, Cargo. I'm just saying, sometimes Hollywood tries to cut
the legs out from under you, and in this case,
it's literal more.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
Like a six than a ten.

Speaker 6 (45:47):
Hey, oh, oh my god. We haven't even mentioned that
Robert Carrodine from Revenge of the Nerds is in this
and also meets a grizzly demise. Yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that was him. Huh he was in there. Blink and
you'll miss him. And also Cargil. I hate to do this,
but for the second fucking week in a row, we
have someone who was in the nineteen seventy made for

(46:08):
TV Doctor Strange in this cast, but playing Paul the
deckhand is Peter Houghton, who I believe actually played Doctor
Strange in the Doctor.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Strange that movie.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
But it is following us. It is following us this
month evidently.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Yeah, well, I mean Canadian tax shelter. What are you
gonna do?

Speaker 6 (46:32):
All I'm saying is I've seen the stills of him
in that movie and say what you want, but that
is a Doctor Strange. The fucks that mustach, yes.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh that must that mustache on its own fucks. It
leaves him behind and goes out for a night on
the town.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
I don't know if you knew this, but orcs are
the only animal to give mustache rights. I don't know why,
it's just it's listed in the research here, so I
thought I would share that with y'all. But the other
weird thing about this movie is that it switches it
to a Regions kind of halfway through, where at the
beginning of the movie the villain is clearly Richard Harris,
and you're sympathetic toward the whale. They do everything imaginable,

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and I mean everything to make you sympathetic toward the whale.
But as the whale continues to wreck boats and bite
off people's legs and burn an entire village to the ground,
which it does very much Monkey style, where it's gonna
knock that thing over to make sure that gas main irrupts.
It just it's insane how this, this fucking whale has
knowledge of infrastructure to take down an entire Seaward town.

(47:33):
But at that point, when Richard Harris is like, fine,
I'm going to get on the boat. I'm going to
go off and face this whale one on one, the
movie switches to like this dark, methodical, bleak finale where
it ceases to be like Jaws. It becomes like a
mash up of Frankenstein and Moby Dick mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
But it's where it gets interesting and where you can
feel the Robert Town in it is in the scene
where he tells the story about losing his wife and
baby to a drunk driver, right, and you know where
he understands. He's where the whole concept is he and
the whale are one and the same. And then what
I love in terms of character development is we get

(48:13):
to this great moment that feels like a throwaway line
but is actually just such smart writing where he's on
the boat and he has this moment of realization and
he goes that whale loved his family a lot more
than I loved mine, because he realizes this whale's not
going to stop because he loves them, so he never
went and got revenge on the drunk driver. And this

(48:36):
whale loved his family so much. Oh, he's not given up.
And I thought that was I think that's a really
cool concept, you know that it really this moment of
he realizes that he done fucked up and he fucked
with the wrong whale. And really this is a revenge
film entirely from the point of view of that people

(48:56):
getting revenge on them. And because it's a whale, we
don't really spend any real time with the whale. But
it is structurally so interesting in how they managed to
pull this off because they they really want us to
really feel tension in the third act when they're going

(49:16):
after the whale, like the like the crew actually has
a chance and that there's a reason why they're all
going out there and then getting killed off one by one.
So I think it's really interesting how they do it
and how they go about it. And Richard Harris just
goes all in on it. Uh but yeah, it's a

(49:38):
it's a fucking weird estimate.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I really felt like as they're going out there, there
was almost also this like bleak sense of resignation. Oh yeah,
everyone where it was just like almost sacrificial to stop
the whale from terrorizing Saint John's.

Speaker 6 (49:55):
Yeah no, I mean, very much like Ahab and then
Quinn who becomes an analog of Ahab. They know they're
not coming and back from this trip. I mean it's
the same resignation of Quint smashing the radio. It's like no, no, no,
this is ending out here one way or another. Like
that's very much there. But also, car Gil, I agree
with you that you can feel the Robert Toown influence
in that moment, but you can also feel the moment
where Robert Town punched out for the day and the

(50:17):
next writer took over, because immediately after that, after this
like really beautiful and insightful moment where he says that
about like this whale loves its family more than I
loved mine, he then goes I am that whales drunk driver,
and it's like yeah, no, no, we get it. Thank
you for underlining it. Yet again. It's like he tells
the story, then he says that, and then he says,
just for those playing at home, I am the whales

(50:38):
drunk driver. Are we all on the same page? Now, great,
we can continue this movie. You can literally feel Robert
Town going home for the day and the next screenwriter
fucking it up. Well.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
In some of the lost footage, there is explicit footage
of the car accident, with his unborn child being forcibly
ejected from the womb on impact, flying through the windshield
and skidding across the highway.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Wait, is are you serious or is that a bit?

Speaker 6 (51:07):
That's a bit?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
That's okay, because the cargo's like where where where is it?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Where the thing is? It was the seventies, cocaine was
every where. I don't doubt that that could have happened.
And by the way, I've seen that happen kind of
in a movie before, except the fetus ends up underneath
the gas pedal and then they have to hit the gas.
That is a Tom six movie. Ah as a surprise

(51:35):
to no one.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Oh yeah, it's like, oh that makes sense, okay.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Yeah that was that was human centipede two.

Speaker 6 (51:43):
Oh my god. And then after that extended scene they
host Richard Harris's Unborn Child off the asphalt, just kind
of callously, just like brush it out, Okay, all right,
we don't need that on the road anymore.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Like during the credits credit, Yeah, quiet, no music.

Speaker 6 (52:00):
We don't have that Carol Connors song at that point.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Yeah, it's just this quiet.

Speaker 4 (52:06):
It's almost like the ending of Holy Grail.

Speaker 6 (52:10):
Yes, oh God. By the way, in that song she
says we are all one pride? Did she think this
was gonna be a movie about lions? Why didn't she say? Pod? Like,
if you're writing a movie about a fucking killer whale,
why would you invoke lion iconography?

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I just don't I don't understand that. I didn't know
you listen to the lyrics. I was like, yeah, I'm good,
I'm out. Click click click click.

Speaker 6 (52:33):
In the movie, did they mention lion in orcas they do? No,
I believe you. I just don't think that's grounds for
putting it into fucking theme song Greed to Disagree.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Yeah, you're missing out on the poetry there.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
Bryan Robert town was he was uh, he was working
with fire.

Speaker 6 (52:51):
I just didn't realize you guys were horning on main
look that seared in my brain. I am indeed, Oh
come on, that was seried in my brain as much
as the sentence from the research. This is a real sentence.
Male orcas, like their dolphin relatives, are promiscuous at best
and sexually coercive at worst. I don't why do I

(53:12):
have to have that sentence in my brain?

Speaker 9 (53:14):
Now?

Speaker 6 (53:15):
God damn it, wail rape. Where's Leslie Nielsen to break
that up? He did it with bears.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
I would also like to point out that uh It's
got a shining eight percent.

Speaker 6 (53:30):
Of rating on Rotten Tomatoes. That's gonna be based on
like seven reviews. I know the bath doesn't work out,
but I'm still switch this. That doesn't seem fair not
I'm all.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Real, mean this is in retrospective course, because they don't
there are no tomato approve critics who were writing in
the seventies.

Speaker 6 (53:50):
Wow, sure, okay, yeah that makes sense. Well, let me
do this, guys, something that I've kind of borrowed from
Scott Weinberg. I'm gonna go down a quick list of
all the uh Jaws knockoffs from like seventy eight, in
that that weird period of seventy eight to the early eighties,
and you just tell me if you would pick that
movie or Orca? Ready? All right, so the first one
is Puranya.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Piranha, Oh yeah, okay, what about tentacles Orca Orca?

Speaker 6 (54:16):
All right?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
What about killer fish Orca? Orca, Barrakuda or Orca?

Speaker 6 (54:23):
Okay, now the one uh Murphy mentioned earlier, Tinterrera Orca.
What about Blood Beach the movie about uh? Oh, blood
Beach the okay, all right, so we got we gotta
vote for Blood Beach.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I would I would be Orca again.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yeah, Blood Beach, Blood Beach with Burt Young, byng.

Speaker 6 (54:41):
Burt Young and John Saxon. Any any additional opportunities to
have John Saxon as a sheriff in a horror movie?
I'm four. I also love the tagline of that movie,
in the ballsiness of just when you think it was
safe to go back in the water, you can't get
to it because the monsters in the sand like that.
That is some top grade Jaws plagiarism. U we got
Piranha to the spawning oh Orca? Yeah, up from the depths.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I've never seen it.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
Uh. And then this one I've beloved of junk food cinema,
Humanoids from the Deep.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Oh humanoids from the Deep.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Oh hell yeah, yeah, sorry, I love you Orca but Corman, Yeah.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
Fair enough. And finally Mako The Jaws of Death. It
has Jaws in the title.

Speaker 4 (55:26):
That's work out all the way, Yeah, easily.

Speaker 6 (55:30):
So I think what we've determined here, I mean, and
then you have other movies that aren't aquatic that are
Jaws knockoffs, like The Car and Grizzly and Day of
the Animals, and I mean there's Alien Alien obviously, but
I think in terms of the aquatic Jaws knockoffs, this
is kind of top shelf. That's what we've determined by
comparing it to all of the other aquatic Jaws knockoffs

(55:51):
of the era.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
It's it's up there, definitely. I mean, that's that's why
I would didn't even question when when you're like we
should cover it, because it's like, yeah, there's there's a
lot here, you like, like we've been dunking on it
and having fun because it is functionally a goopy as movie.
But man, the the unlike Jaws, which the shark sucked

(56:14):
the whales here are really impressive.

Speaker 6 (56:17):
Yeah, they really are.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
You know, it's the only way you can tell that
it's not a real whale at times, like there's one
shot where the jaw just kind of drops open mechanically
where you're just like, oh, the whale malfunction is probably
the only shot they got. But you know, the only
way you can tell is what's the real whale and

(56:38):
the fake whale is the real whale is clearly that
they're shooting is in captivity and so his fin is
doubled over. So when you see that underwater footage with
the fin curl, that's how you know it's the the
real whale that they're shooting. But the oh yeah, yeah,
the whales do not like killer whales do not like

(56:59):
being in captivity, and their their fins flop over, so uh,
that's you. That's where you can tell the difference in
the shots. But yeah, there's a lot of just really
great and especially as goofy and silly and heart wrenching
as it fucking is. Neither the the dead whale, you know,

(57:19):
the the dying whale nor the spouse are real whales.
And there's prolonged shots of that that look really good.
So the the effects work on here is top notch.
You know, nobody's phoning it in everybody's acting like this
is a real fucking movie and giving their you know,
Richard Harris and Charlotte Rampling are fucking given. They're all

(57:41):
in this, uh drunk or not. Richard Harris is trying
and uh. And there's some really good writing in here.
And it is fucking cool that it's a revenge movie
from you know, where the animal is getting revenge and
it's watching these people get picked off one by one,
all of the classic horror tropes that we love so much,

(58:04):
you know it is. It is very much promnit And
I know what you did last summer with a fish, uh,
with a whale. Rather, I know people are like whales,
aren't fishes, Cargel Jesus Christ, you share no better.

Speaker 6 (58:17):
Mister Cargile. Man called me a fish. That's just gibba tabba.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
I'm a mammal.

Speaker 6 (58:20):
I'm still going with this with this analog that it's
actually Rocky three.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Yeah, no, I've I caught it.

Speaker 6 (58:27):
It's still Rocky three to me.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
You keep you keep going with that, Brian, You're doing great.

Speaker 6 (58:31):
Everybody's talking about the new films, honey, but it's still
Rocky three to me. Okay, I draw the line at
Pilo Joel. All I'm saying is getting all this this
orca information from Cargil. I thought he wrought wrote Black Phone,
not Blackfish, but evidently I was wrong.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Hey, I've done a lot of research for movies that
no one's ever gonna see. Okay, that's I don't make.
I don't make my living off the movies I do make.
I make the living off getting paid for movies they
don't make. That is the life of a screenwriter.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
That's fair. That's absolutely fair. I will say this though.
I actually, as much as I think there's parts of
this movie that absolutely just balls out insane, there's a
lot of this movie that I think is legitimately artful
and well executed. I love the cinematography in this movie.
Ted Moore shot the principal photography. He actually shot seven
James Bond films. Oh wow. Yeah, And so they had

(59:24):
him doing the principal photography, and then a guy named
Jay Barry Heron came in to do all the underwater photography,
and he did the underwater cinematography for like Big Trouble,
Little China, And hilariously, another episode that Murphy was on
Friday the thirteen, Part six Jason Lives.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
Uh, yeah, this film, it's strange because it juggles shlock
with a real character journey.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Oh yeah, and that the schlock comes in surprising moments.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
But it's shot well.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
It's acted well, it's a it's a strange chimera of
a movie. It's you know, some people would say it's
you know, it falls into shark exploitation, even though it's
not a shark but there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Is a shark though.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, that's true, and it's only like at times exploitive,
and yeah, it's just a really really strange gonzo film. Uh,
it's definitely worth watching.

Speaker 6 (01:00:23):
I I mean, if you were to ask me what
the most exploitative moment is in the movie, I don't
think there's anything more exploitative than an unborn whale cave
plopping onto the deck of a boat, and that I
would have never seen coming the first time I watched this,
And definitely did not see coming the first time I
watched this, so that that fucked me up. But I
was like thirty two when I watched this movie the

(01:00:44):
first time, and I still had nightmares. But yeah, I
love that. I love that it's a you know, it's
both the Canadian tax shelter movie and a Italian knockoff
movie just like merged together. It's it's the perfect tim
tam of flavors. And yeah, I just this is one
of my favorite of the Jaws knockoffs, so I'm glad
we got to talk about it today. And that brings

(01:01:13):
us to the junk food pairing. And for by junk
food pairing, I went with a nice seafood pasta, like
whether you want some clams in there, some scallops, some shrimps,
some mussels, or all of the above. You mix it
with some fetishiini or linguini, and you essentially have the
weird Italian mishmash that is this movie. And I could
eat that for days while watching this movie four days.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
My junk food pairing would be an Irish car.

Speaker 6 (01:01:35):
Bomb, which I think the whale sets off at one
point to get revenge on Richard Harris.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Put some Irish whiskey in a shot glass, drop it
into a glass of Moleson's, and you've got orca.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
Oh my god, Oh okay, I'm gonna try I'm not okay, look,
I'm gonna try it because it's me. But don't don't
do that. Murvy, what do you think? Do you do?
You have a junk food pairing for this one?

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
You are?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Guys?

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
Ever had whale fetus? I work in Hollywood?

Speaker 6 (01:02:12):
Yes, there it is. Yeah, you bury a lot of
your stories. That one you can just go ahead and
keep buried. I am.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Do you ever see The Freshman? It's documentary?

Speaker 6 (01:02:22):
The Freshman?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
Hey quick? What's the least remembered Marlon Brando?

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
Movie?

Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Survey says? Well done? Well done? A movie I like
very much that I don't think anyone has mentioned in
twenty years.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
A Freshman.

Speaker 6 (01:02:44):
You say that title two more times? You summon the
ghost of Marlon Brando? I think is how that works? Oh,
this has been a lot of fun. Murphy. Thank you
for joining us as we swim through Orca. Thanks for
having me good times. Can you tell people where they
can find you on the interwebs.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Mister Murphy, Yeah, www dot the Gorge on ds nuts
dot com.

Speaker 6 (01:03:08):
Yeah. How many downloads does that have? Because I feel
like it's up there with the streaming numbers as well.

Speaker 4 (01:03:14):
You have to present your ID before you can watch it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
That's fair, That's totally fair.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
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Robertcargill Dotbesky dot social and you can find my new
movie The Gorge on These Nuts on Apple Plus streaming.
Now get your seven day free trial if you don't
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(01:03:44):
my new movie's out and I hope you guys enjoy it.

Speaker 6 (01:03:47):
I desperately want to start a streaming service called These Nuts,
just so that we can say that your movie is
on These Nuts at.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
The Gorge on These Nuts, perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Mom, something the.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
Jam I'm jam

Speaker 6 (01:04:12):
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