Halloween Spirit: Lake Mungo(2008) with Jason Murphy

The grand finale of Halloween Spirit finds author/podcaster Jason Murphy returning to the show to take a deep dive into Lake Mungo! 

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Speaker 2 (01:25):
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Brian Salisbury, and we are bringing you the Willies, the Crawleys,
and of course the creeps here on Halloween night.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh I'm so excited.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
And uh oh, speaking of creeps, Cargill is not here today.
He is touring the Silver Shamrock Factory to approve new
grabber mask prototypes. I don't know I wasn't listening. Uh yeah,
see the Black Phone two now in theaters everywhere. So
in his stead, there is only one man I would
want writing in the candy coated sidecar of this runaway
Halloween cycle. He is a writer podcaster modern Rogan Pedlar

(01:58):
of the Stranger is my good friend, mister Jason Murphy.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Hello, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
What a colorful introduction this is, dude. You were on
the Halloween episode Halloween, I know, Friday this year, which
is the best thing ever. I'm very excited. I'm very
excited about it. Do you have any big plans? I
Am going to eat candy and watch horror movies until
literally the sun comes up.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
And I'm so fucking excited.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
So I currently live in in a largely like Catholic
and Hispanic part of the country, and my brother married
into a very Catholic and Mexican family, and he is
he's like six' two or. Something he's this giant. Guy
he's going As, laarna you, know and so he's just

(02:45):
gonna stand out in his, yard and So i'm gonna help,
him you, know with some some, screams some Like bluetooth
speakers and some atmosphere and. Everything so, yeah his wife
has said that he's gonna have to leave the mass
in his. Truck it's just a little, SUPERSTITIOUS. Ok and

(03:05):
So i'm gonna conspire to terrorize his. Neighborhood so you
are a grizzly ghoul from every tomb because you're gonna
terrorize the. Neighborhood BUT i am just two inches away
from being the exact description of your, brother BECAUSE i
also live in a Very hispanic And catholic part of
the country and married into a Very catholic, family and
one of my favorite things is sitting out on the

(03:27):
porch and handing out.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
Candy So i'm gonna do. That i'm not gonna be in.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
As great a, costume, HOWEVER i will say the superstition
in this Household my youngest. Son after we watched the
Latest conjuring movie the next, day he took out his
little Kid's bible and this crucifix That i'd had from
a priest costume and just started going around the living room,
SAYING i cast you.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
OUT i cast you out.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
At pretty much every invisible thing in the downstairs part
of the. House so, yeah, well there's the young Priest
oh my, god that should have been our. COSTUME i
get him a priest costume and me a priest. Costs
but we can go with the old priest and the
young priest.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
And at the end of the night you throw him
out a.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Window you know WHAT i would do IS i would
get one Of Dick smith's students to do him an
old age makeup so he's actually the old. Priest BECAUSE
i still it still blows my mind. That uh AND
i always forget the fucking actor's name who played the
old priest in that, Movie. Maxiwansido maximansido was not eighty

(04:27):
years old In The. Exorcist yeah he was like our. Age, yeah,
okay well that's just. Depressing, yeah so you're. There you
just need the cloth and good to. Go this went
From micawber to morose real fucking. QUICKLY i was not expecting.
This what movies are you gonna Watch halloween? Night SO

(04:48):
i have movies THAT i always watch On halloween without
like THERE'S i just have to of Course John Carpenter's
halloween And trick Or treat those are two MOVIES i
literally have to watch before midnight On. HALLOWEEN i usually
also throw in some old EIGHTIES tv commercials that Are
halloween themed and the thriller, video but it has to Be,
halloween it has to be trick or, treat AND i

(05:08):
have to Watch The crow the night before because of
Course Devil's. Night, sure that's a great. LIST i mean that, lineup.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Dude the lineup goes.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
On the lineup starts the week of and it has
movies like it has movies Like The Midnight, hour which
is a made FOR.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Tv movie from eighty. Five oh, yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Great the Guest Simon Barrett adam Wing guard's the guest
is on that. List like there's there's movies THAT i
watch leading up To, halloween but there's very specific MOVIES
i have to watch On.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
Halloween that's.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
FANTASTIC i that that is an admirable. LIST i usually
skew a little, older going with some of the universal,
classics you, Know, Dracula frankenstein and stuff like. That but
ALSO i have been just really annually fixated on w N.
Uf oh, YEAH i love that. One just got the

(05:57):
New The halloween with Re, richmond just a spin off
to that Whole universe From chris Sla. Martina NOW i
thought he was in The fantastic.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Four AM i mistaken about this a different?

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Guy, okay all, Right sorry that joke was kind of a. Stretch,
Hey i'm not even.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Sorry still got. It it never went.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
AWAY i became a. Dad do you think the dad
jokes stop just Because i'm becoming? Dad, no they get.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Worse.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
Ah but you know, What, Murphy It's, halloween AND i you,
KNOW i started thinking about all of the movies THAT
i only, watched but that we talk about On halloween
on this. Podcast and we've done episodes in the Entire halloween.
Franchise we've done Hocus, Pocus we've Done Trigger, Treat we've
done every go To halloween movie For Halloween night in
the eleven years of doing this. Podcast so this, year

(06:49):
as part of and more to the, point the grand
finale Of Halloween, SPIRIT i, said very much Like Nancy Allen,
murphy it's, you it's your. Call you decide what movie

(07:11):
we covered this year For. Halloween i'm arriving at your front,
door opening up my, pillowcase and eagerly awaiting the treat
that you deigned to bestow upon.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Us, So, murphy what is that?

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Treat, WELL i this one isn't a Very halloween. Movie
but it is one of my favorite horror. MOVIES i
watch it every. YEAR i watched it, recently and so
when you asked, me that was the immediate thing THAT
i texted you back, with, uh and it Is Lake Mungo.

Speaker 5 (07:35):
Chill something bad is going to happen to.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Me it hasn't reached.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
Me its.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Joining taking.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Ten days After ellie's.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Funeral stuff started happening around the. House sounds the same
to come From elie's old, One.

Speaker 6 (07:59):
Mamsella that didn't really re.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Lend SO i, Thought i'll just set up a camera,
to you, KNOW i see. ANYTHING i looked back and
there was footage of a figure moving across the.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Hallway the image.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Was quite unsettling because it certainly looked Like.

Speaker 6 (08:18):
ALICE i want you to close your.

Speaker 7 (08:21):
EYES i usually videotaped my. Sessions something was empty inside that,
house AND i wanted to find out what it.

Speaker 8 (08:26):
Was we checked the.

Speaker 6 (08:30):
Tapes there was a ghost in our. House.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Yes the thrilling and inspiring tale of that vacation That
Mungo jerry took to his lakeside cabin where he wrote
the Song The Summertime Mungo, jerry that's not right where
his side, shot where his sidebirds were the villain, Right,
god we're old sideburns are at least his. Sidekicks, LOOK

(08:55):
i asked you to pick a, movie AND i kind
of locked you in a little bit of a. BOX
i had to pick a movie from two thousand and
forward because we're still trying to finish out the splinter
cell Of Halloween, spirit which Is. October SO i wanted
to cover a horror movie from the two, thousands and you,
did in, fact Choose Lake.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Mungo AND i have to tell, YOU i had never
seen this.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Film oh, OH i can't wait to hear what you
thought about. It but you know what's, Crazy AS i
THOUGHT i, HAD i had heard the title sort of
in casual and, passing and the words became inextricably linked
and tangled with the title of A Michael fassbender film
from the same, year two thousand and.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Eight Eden. Lake, yeah that's a brutal. Movie it's not that.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
One so when you first said, THIS i was, like, oh,
Yeah i've seen, that no, Problem and THEN i, realized,
NO i.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Haven't that's not true at.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
All, YEAH i THINK i did the same thing back.
BEFORE i totally fell in love With Lake. MUNGO i
kind of conflated the. TWO i don't know If Eden
lake was an after dark horror, flick But Lake mungo.
Was that's the other THING i just found out is
that this was one of the After Dark Horror fest
releases From volume, four and my old Roommate luke actually

(10:09):
owned all, Those so this movie like through. Osmosis the
title just got into my. Head but THEN, i just
BECAUSE i hadn't seen, it started applying that title to
other films with the Word lake in, IT i. Guess
but this was part Of volume, four which Was, dread
The final The, graves The Hidden Kill, Theory The, Reads
zombies Of Mass, destruction and of Course Lake, mungo which

(10:30):
is a two thousand and Eight australian psychological horror film
written and directed By Joel. Anderson and the thing THAT
i was immediately struck by is it is it's not
super rare that there are horror films from the two
thousands THAT i haven't, seen or THAT i don't have
a lot of familiarity. With there's so many fucking movies out.
There it, is, however shocking to me when there is

(10:53):
a found footage movie out there THAT i have never
seen or have little familiarity.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
With especially from that.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Era, RIGHT i mean they, were they, Were there were
so many of them by, then but not even remotely
as many as there are. Now, uh but that was
like we were still in full swing From blair Witch
mania some what's seven eight years? After but but calling
this a found footage film IS i don't, know it's
it's real field that it's it's quite, yeah it's not quite, accurate, Right,

(11:22):
No and you're, RIGHT i think we need to draw
a clear distinction here because AND i use the term
found footage because that's literally how every review and every
descriptor online referred to. It BUT i think we need
to draw a clear distinction here between found footage and
mockumentary or faux, documentary because this is this is not
the unedited footage of a series of events that got

(11:43):
out of hand and now you, know we don't know
the whereabouts of the person's in the footage that kind of.
Thing this is a meticulously edited account of something that
quote unquote, occurred and the result is very much a
full on. Documentary, yeah it feels like like a less
schlocky episode of unsolved mysteries where they didn't just find

(12:06):
the tapes like in a tree trunk in the woods
and then sent them straight to the film. Festival they
actually finished the doc in it. Is it is just a, quiet,
unnerving spooky film that is not AS i don't want

(12:27):
to sell it, wrong but it's not as intensely in
the horror genre as you might think when you look at,
it but it is still tremendously.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Effective if they had.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Really been around and pumping at the, time this would
have been AN a twenty four. Release oh, yeah, Absolutely
do you want to see it up to give the? Synopsis,
Yes so this is the plot of the Film Lake
mungo is that we have this family and ara rats In, Australia, Victoria,
australia and the, mother the, father the, son and the

(13:02):
sixteen year old daughter all swimming at a. Lake when the, Daughter, alice.
DISAPPEARS a couple of days, later her body is recovered
from the, lake her father identifies. Her but then ten
days after her, funeral strange things start occurring in the
house and it seems like maybe there's a haunting going,
on Maybe alice is trying to reach out from beyond the,
grave and things happen and things, unravel and there's revelation after.

(13:25):
Revelation there's that's the basic. Setup, really all you need
to know is the. Setup AND i want to go
ahead and preface this right here in saying that there's
no way for us to talk about this movie without
spoiling so without spoiling. It so if you haven't Seen Lake,
MUNGO i would advise you to go To, amazon go
to TWO, be go To PLEX i mean, ALL i Mean,
plex and TWO b and a couple other places have
it for free with, ads or you can get it

(13:46):
From Amazon. Prime so it's available out. There go watch
it right, now and then come back for the.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Discussion hell kid, here Persina, henri what Does we're a
light colored, costume sure, Enough so.

Speaker 9 (13:59):
You don't trick if you wear a, mask make sure
you can. See we gots, better don't chriss cross the,
street call on one side than the. Other, parents set,
boundaries and it's time to be. Home carry a, flashlight freshtra,
safety and let's all have a Safe.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Halloween because that's one of my favorite things about this, Movie,
murphy is that it's in the way that it's more
of a faux documentary than a straight up bound footage.
Movie it's less gimmicky and it's much more of a
personalized ghost. Story, yes and it feels like something you
would see on like A netflix documentary versus something that

(14:35):
you would have to get from underneath the counter at
the same sex shop that machine sells his snuff tapes. Too,
well for those of you who are put off by
you know, whatever someone says found footage or something like,
that you never once watched this movie and think why
are they still? Filming you, know why are they still
carrying the camera or anything like. That it is All

(14:58):
it is all done after the, fact with a very deliberate,
pace and people involved looking back at what happened To
alice and how it affected.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
Them and there is you, know of, course they have
clips and.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
The quote unquote found footage of the story that they
go back, to but it's all done very post, hoc posthumously,
literally where they dissect it and try to figure out
exactly what. Happened and you, know one of the things
THAT i really like about this is that the horror
hangs over, everything but it's really a story about grief

(15:39):
and family secrets and stuff like, that which it handles
very well and uses those elements to throw the twists
into the story rather than like heavy horror. Plot there's
a word that's overused nowadays THAT i don't love applying

(15:59):
to to horror films of this. Ilk but this movie
really is a meditation and this is the this is
the phrase that's gonna turn a lot of people off
because it's become so rope, now especially with a lot
of eight twenty four. Movies it is a meditation on.
Grief And i'm, sorry LIKE i know, that like eighteen
people just turned this podcast, off but that's literally what this,

(16:19):
is and it was it was that before a lot
of those films that you, know a lot of Those
Robert eggers type horror films that kind of delved into
that same, territory or your Ari astra movies that delve
into that same. Territory that's what this. Is this is
about the ways in which people. Grieve this is about
the idea of untimely death and how you, know people
can leave behind traces and secrets and all of these

(16:43):
negative feelings are kind of the goat. Again it's a very,
personal haunting story AND i think What i'm learning about
myself AS i get? Older IS i really like these
types of movies like this reminded me the.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Most and this is gonna sound.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
Insane this reminded me the most Of Steven Soderbergh's Presence,
hmmm where it was just a deeply microcosmic personal haunting.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Story it's not about oh my, god the huge.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
Scare if you want movies like that with a lot
of jump scares and a lot of like truly just
upsetting imagery and stuff, like go watch a conjuring.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Film that's, fine there's nothing wrong with those.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Movies, Sure but if you want something that's going to
scare you and it's going to get under your, skin
but it's also going, to you, know tell a story
that connects you and on a human. LEVEL i think
something like this In presence are cut from the same.
Cloth and it is like you, said there aren't any
not really any big. Scares there are a, couple but

(17:40):
mostly it's. Eerie, yeah and it really gets under your.
Skin you are you were sucked in and when you're
trying to figure out what is going, on not only you,
know are we Seeing alice's Ghost and it's the family
encountering a, haunting but what happened to.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Her.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
And so it's very effective with that as you are
as it walks you through everything that, happened from the
moment they found Out alice, died all the way up
to not really how she, died but the events around
it and leading up to. It it's really that's the

(18:23):
psychological part of, it of, course and it's it it
comes up as like it's again not found, footage it's more.
Docufiction it feels like a very, polished, Thoughtful i'll say it,
again meditation on, grief not in the way Of Tony
collette screaming her brains out for two, hours but just

(18:47):
a very, quiet, like look how this devastated this part
of This australian. Community and, honestly one of the more
interesting things about this is how deeply, affected you, know
this family is through, performance despite the fact that they're
maybe the most Waspy australian Family i've ever, seen like

(19:07):
all these things that happen to them and their response
is always, like you, know so that was very upsetting
and we didn't know how to deal with, that but,
like no one is having this big like you, said
and there's No Tony kollett outburst in this. Movie oh,
yeah it's very matter of. Fact and a lot of
that is because they didn't cast like big. Actors they

(19:29):
cast everyone very low, profile trying to make it very,
authentic and so you don't really see anyone that you'll.
RECOGNIZE i didn't. Anyway there may be other actors that
have turned up in, things but, like there is a
an authenticity to this viisimilitude that just feels, like, oh
these are real, people and they never hit a false,

(19:53):
note and all of, them including the, director just seemed
to kind of go away after the, movie like you
didn't see them in.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Anything, No, No and that's.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Great AND i want to talk a little bit about
the production of this because it speaks so much to that.
Point BUT i also like the distinction that you drew
where you don't if there's never a point in the
movie if you're watching something that feels very you, know
as we've, joked cinema, scaretay, right like trying to sell
you on a certain type of reality to the, story
but there's never a moment where you have to suspend

(20:27):
your disbelief and, go why didn't they put the camera?
Down you're watching a faux. Documentary you're not watching vound.
Footage that's a REALLY i think that's a really easy
way to distinguish the two types of. Films and in this,
movie you're, right there's never a point where you're, like,
well why would they be filming, that because it's all
kind of just edited after the fact and very matter of.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
Fact the party continues after these.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
Messages ANOTHER chilei who was laid encounter with The queen Of.

Speaker 8 (20:56):
Halloween, hello it's me El Viram mistress of The, dark
back to help you have the lastiest Little halloween.

Speaker 5 (21:04):
Ever so while you're.

Speaker 8 (21:06):
Enjoying that Refreshing Coors, Light i'll teach you a trick
or two about one of my favorite, traditions carving a
pumpkin or jack. O'lannon why is it called a? Jacqueliner
tell me and we'll both. Know this, year instead of
the usual silly pumpkin, grin be, creative choose a tool
that makes a statement about you. ME i like a.

Speaker 10 (21:26):
Chamesaw there um pumpkin after my own. Heart this Is
elvira for cours And Coors.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
Light had The halloween don.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Jone shut yours.

Speaker 7 (21:41):
Shelves, sure There's shalloween buzz on over to the l
viral display and pick out plenty of cours And coors
lights a of course Company Golden.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Colorado Joel, anderson the writer director of, this wrote the
bulk of the screenplay in two thousand and, five and
he was finding it difficult at the time to get
funding for a different screenplay which was requiring a larger.
Budget so he starts to talk to some people and
he decides that he's going to write this fictional documentary

(22:09):
style story because he can do it on a low.
Budget and that's the other reason that during, casting he
wanted low profile actors to maintain this sort of authentic documentary.
Feel and you, know he shoots this over a period
of five weeks in both film and video. Formats and
what's really insane is that the script only featured an
outline of the story and no written.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Dialogue oh.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Wow so the actors are improvising these, Scenes holy, cow
and it it feels. Real it feels like this is
their grief and they are that they haven't quite gotten over. It,
everybody everybody sells it and none of them are chewing the.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Scenery.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Wow, yeah, yeah, Absolutely and you KNOW i made a
joke about you, know the sex Shoper machine sells its
tapes under the counter and, What, yeah that's not what
this movie. Is but at the same, time even, Today Lake,
mungo it feels like something that was buried in the
wilderness and dug up with no. Context, yes it feels
like something that it feels like a, special like A
netflix documentary or something like that that you, know people

(23:11):
forgot about because it is very.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Polished there's no shaky.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Cams there's a couple of like phone footage bits and
stuff like that that they use when they're diving into
the forensics of the, case so to. Speak but there
is never any of that intentionally sloppy filmmaking that is
so common with paranormal. Activity that's so common since Man

(23:36):
Byes dog, right you, know.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
Last last broadcast paranormal.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
Activity, no, this this feels like an actual documentary about
a dead girl. Exactly but to your, point the fact
that the director never made another feature after this and
doesn't even do, interviews and part of that he, said
is like to kind of maintain the mystery on. This
as someone who appreciates commitment to a, BIT i think

(24:05):
Even andi Ko i would have to tip his hat
to the director of this, movie just being, like you
know What i'm gonna. Do i'm just not gonna make movies,
again And i'm not gonna do interviews about this, movie
so that when people discover, it they're gonna be, like
where the hell did this come? From and it's gonna
have that sort of eerie blurring of the fourth wall type.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Quality AND i dig that about.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
It it's so, baffling like did he just make this and, go,
okay well back to the.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
OFFICE i did. IT i did. It that's WHAT i
wanted to. Do i'm.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Done can you, imagine like your first feature out of the,
gate you achieve everything you want to do and then
you just walk.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
AWAY i mean.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
It it didn't, explode you know. IT a lot of
people didn't see it when it came. Out it just
came into The After Dark Film. Festival it got a
lot of good, reviews but its profile has only grown since.
Then i've Seen Jordan peel talking about how it's one

(25:07):
of his favorite horror. Films Mike flanagan was saying the same.
Thing and it's one of those where as people discover,
it they, realize, oh this is fantastic and so it truly.
Is it has a lot of it has a lot
of the mystique of a cult. FILM i feel Like
i'm going to use a lot of words and phrases
that are an anthema to our. Audience And i'm, sorry

(25:29):
but this is also a festival.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
Darling.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Like this, movie to me is kind of the definition
of a festival darling. Like it premiered at The Sydney Film.
Festival it played South By southwest right here In, austin you,
know and then it played a number of other, festivals
and then it got into the After dark, series which
was distributed By. Lionsgate but, yeah apart from you, know
having these amazing quotes and these amazing sort of like

(25:54):
compliments from people Like flanagan And Jordan, peel you're, right
it does not have a very big. Audience and yet
you go to Like Rotten tomatoes and it's got like
a ninety five, percent you know WHAT i. Mean like it's,
just oh, yeah it's, Crazy like this movie. Is it's
one of those films, that like everyone who's seen it
really likes. It but because of the nature of how

(26:15):
it was, made it was made like a on a,
Budget it was made with non profile, actors and it
didn't get a major theatrical distribution in The. States you,
know it got this After dark sort of, release and
that's already a that was at niche purchase even when
we were still buying, DVDs, Right oh, yeah you, know
as a RABID dvd collector in that, era After dark

(26:36):
was always like to, me it was like kind of.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Shlock you.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
KNOW i liked, them AND i watched all of them
THAT i could get my hands on and THAT i
had time. For but it was also like it wasn't
a marquee, release like none of them. Were THEY a
lot of times they were, Forgettable but here you have.
This this one has become one of my favorite horror
movies of all. Time AND i think there's an equivalence
between the After DARK dvd releases and a anthology horror,

(27:02):
film where it's like it's gonna throw a lot of
things that you and you just got to hope that
maybe one or two or three of them are.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Good, yeah you're really rolling the dice when you buy
THAT dvd set and you know, that.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Well they would have like eight a year or something
like that that would come out in a. Batch, Uh and,
yeah you're, right some of them were completely. Forgettable they
ran the gamut from you, know teens In peril all
the way to something very deliberately paced and thoughtful Like Lake.
Mungo The After DARK dvd releases really went the way

(27:35):
of The dinosaur because of streaming. Services like if this
movie were released, today it would be A shutter. Original
it would not have had to get lumped in with
all of these other films and packaged and sent out
you know for the BECAUSE i mean physical media buy
and large is not something that studios put a lot
of work into anymore to begin. With BUT i feel
like this just came out in the wrong. Time it

(27:55):
was ahead of its. Time if this movie had come out,
today it definitely would have been A shutter original and
it would have been talked about all over the, place
like Film twitter would have gone nuts for this if
there was a more active Film twitter when it came,
Out Like twitter was a brand new thing when this
movie came, out and it's it's so densely, packed the story, is,
oh you, know it's there's really a lot going on

(28:16):
a lot more than a lot of a lot of
the streaming films that are by mandate almost narrated for
the second screen. Experience oh, yeah you, know you'll see
that on Like netflix, films where the characters are talking
about exactly what they're doing and what's going. On but with,
This i've seen it several. TIMES i watch it once

(28:37):
a year, now AND i keep finding new things in,
it and even if it's just you, know something like
a performance or a comment that a character makes that
comes back later in the, film because it.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Starts off as Just alice is, dead she.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Drowned her family is grieving and it it is tearing them.
Apart but then she starts showing up in the background
of some pictures and footage set up around the family. Home,
yeah her brother's very into. Photography he, starts you, know
trying to catalog, things is his grief, process and he

(29:17):
starts to notice what looks Like alice in the background
of these.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Photos AND i think that's something this movie does very.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well and what reminds me the most of a deeply
compelling legitimate, documentary especially like a true crime or a supernatural,
documentary is the parsing out of the, secrets the sort
of escalation of revelations like we think one thing is going,
on and then like we find out something about, that we're, like,
oh that must have been the big. Secret oh, wait,

(29:45):
no there's. More, okay, no that's the big. Secret oh,
wait wait a, minute there's this other secret, too which,
again that's the ghost metaphor of this movie is like
all of these secrets that are left behind when somebody
passes and doesn't get the chance to share those, secrets
they kind of hang around and it takes some. Turns oh,
yeah and you're expecting by the eerie tone that it

(30:07):
starts off, with you're really expecting that those secrets that
are revealed, are, oh this person is a witch or
there was a demon interred beneath their home and error
rat or something like, that and it never does. That,
uh it's really much. More Hence alice's namesake Very Laura.

(30:30):
Palmer oh, yes, Absolutely ah. Weird you're finding out all
of the the seedy things and peeling away things About
alice's life that are really, heartbreaking and how her family
didn't know, her her boyfriend didn't know, her and she

(30:51):
was suffering and like the only person that she was
talking to was a part of one of those. Secrets
and again to call back you spoiler warning the. Psychic,
yeah so, okay first of, ALL i don't want to
throw any shade To, australia But Aerra rat already sounds

(31:13):
like the name of a demon from like the twelfth.
Century LIKE i don't want to go anywhere near. There but,
yeah like that's sort of The the first things that
start happening is there's noises in the house and they
think they're hearing things. Outside so you, know you got
the son who is setting Up matthew who's setting up
his video camera and he's also taking, pictures and he
starts to see all of these images and Of, alice

(31:36):
and it looks Like alice even is in the video,
footage and just things are really escalating. Though but the
thing that here's here's the craziest part to. Me one
of the other things that happens Is matthew gets numerous unexplained, bruises,
yeah on his body that they can't figure out the cause.
Of and then they just go. Away but what's crazy about,

(31:56):
that and again we've said it multiple times.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
That this is a spoiler, warning.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Is that the first secret revealed is That matthew is
staging the the he's doing like composite photography and he's
the one pretending to be her in in the, videos
or he's or he's using old home video footage and
mirrors because he thinks that giving his mother just like
that little sliver of hope that maybe she's still, around

(32:23):
will will help her.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Process so it's it's.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Weird that he's doing this and it feels very, malevolent
but at the same, time he's got sort of noble
intentions for doing. It but then it's, Like, okay if that's,
true what the hell was with the? Bruises why there
is never an explanation given for those? Bruises are we
to assume that he faked? Those because if he, did

(32:47):
why was that not discovered by all the doctors who examined, Him,
like it's just nobody ever explained.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Where the bruises came. From AND i have a problem with.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
That, yeah and you, know the the genuine supernatural. Stuff
there were a couple of moments like, that like the
dream that the dad, had you, know and it shows
up in a video later and it's, like, well was
that was that crypto memory from him or did that
did that really? Happen and it just you just keep

(33:16):
peeling back what these people believe and what their motivations.
Were and when you realize that the psychic ray had
been keeping things from the family and but what he
thought were for the right.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Reasons.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Uh and it's really just like any good, story it's
that the interpersonal drama that is just coagulating around this
and kind of expressing itself as as this haunting and
then you have a real haunting and then you see
and that's just crazy IS i was getting a little
concerned on the because again it was my first BEING

(33:55):
i was getting a little concerned that we were going
to go for the like none of the supernatural stuff
is actually, happening which is my least favorite, twist like
if you if you, Yeah i'm just saying if you're
gonna If i'm gonna get on the, ride like don't
tell me at the end that it wasn't really a,
Ride like it's, like but what the fuck THAT i
just go?

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Through LIKE i. DON'T i don't like. That it's my
least favorite type of.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Tour you have send me an angry text, like, hey
we're gonna have to do something.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
ELSE i, think.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Did you really think we were gonna cover a family
drama For.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Halloween, yeah we're doing Cry. Wolf just, kidding but like.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
Yeah like at this, point the Mother, june after, figuring
after finding out That matthew has staged these things and
then it was all sort of a, hoax she starts To.
Uh she consults a psychic Named ray Kimminy uh because
he's like a he's like a local radio, celebrity and
she still believes that something is going on, there still
feels like a presence in the. House so they do

(34:51):
a seance with the family and they videotape.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
It.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
UH i think maybe this is a little out of
order plot, wise because they videotape. It then they find
out that the image in the video was probably Of
alice at least was.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Faked but then then they go back and watch the
video again.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Again this is what this movie, does is it peels
away the, secrets just little by, little and every time
you think you're at the core of everything that was,
hidden there's more behind the. Curtain in this, case there's
more behind the wall because they watched the video again.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
And they see their fucking neighbor is In alice's room
during the goddamn. Seance, yeah and it's, Like i'm, sorry
what is? Happening and so here's where machine comes back
into the.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Stories right the, fuck, DUDE i think we've made it
very clear That alice was sixteen when she. Passed, yeah
and they're they're, like what the hell is my neighbor
doing in the. House and then after Searching alice's, Bedroom
june finds a hidden videotape and she starts to realize
why the neighbor was snooping around because on the videotape

(35:55):
is the neighbor and his wife having a threesome With,
alice at which they handle like by the time they figure,
out by the time they find this, tape the, Neighbor
brett and his wife are. Gone, yeah they have already
sold their house and, left and so it's it seems

(36:16):
like they were trying to avoid prosecution or something like.
That and so again it's this that's where we come
back into you, know fire walk about with. Me, ah,
yes you're. WELCOME i, KNEW i knew you'd love that,
one where, uh it's it's you're finding out like about

(36:38):
like the troubled life That alice was, leading because she
seemed to be just a happy, kid and she had
a boyfriend and what a nice, family and, man her
death just tears them. Apart but it's not just her,
death it's the aftermath of her. Death it's and you,
know it's Probably matthew's videos that trigger all of this terrible.

(37:04):
Stuff like they probably wouldn't have found the neighbor going
through her, room and wouldn't have found maybe wouldn't have
found the videotape had they not had the. Seance they
wouldn't have had the, seance if they hadn't contacted the,
psychic and If matthew hadn't made them think they were
seeing the. Ghosts and so there's this this chain of
events that really causes them to dig deeper into What

(37:29):
alice was going. Through but as you, Learn alice has
got her own other horrible problems to deal with that
don't involve threesomes and so, forth WHICH i, mean she
sees what is it a? Fetch is that what it's, called,
yes like she encounters and this is later in the,

(37:49):
film and it is a extraordinarily unsettling moment Where alison
encountered like her dead, self and it seems like she
was in the build up she had been having remonitions of.
This she knew that she was going to. Die, uh
and it's and she couldn't really talk to, anyone, Right

(38:11):
and That's that's the other thing about this movie IS
i never really thought about and all the haunting movies
That i've ever, seen the idea that unfinished business keeps
a ghost around is part and parcel with the. Genre
but something THAT i fail to grasp a lot of
the time or consider is that unfinished business does not
need to be, OH i was murdered AND i need
you to solve the or like you, know the person

(38:32):
you're living with is. Horrible for this reason THAT i
never think about the fact that unfinished business can just
be things that someone wanted to get off their, chests
things that someone wanted to say but wasn't able, to
you know WHAT i, Mean like it just not even
it's not even really so much LIKE I i'm you
could make the argument all day about whether or not

(38:52):
what happened in that videotape constitutes a trauma For, alice
or whether or not it was consided like that doesn't
even really. Matter all of these things that she was dealing,
with that she was thinking about that were weighing on her.
Mind and they make a great point, again because we're
getting to know this family through the documentary interview. Format
we learned that she and her mom were not super

(39:13):
close and they didn't have that open. Communication so they're
just all of these things that were weighing on her
and sitting on. Her that she felt alone because she
couldn't share with anybody. Else and when somebody has that
kind of weight of secrets upon them and then they pass,
away it's, like where does that? Go and her mother
just absolutely Breaks, yeah you, know but in a very,

(39:37):
interesting low key.

Speaker 1 (39:38):
Way she.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Doesn't you, know she doesn't get drunk and scream in
the middle of town and you, know start fights or
anything like. That she just starts hanging out in other people's,
homes right because she wanted to feel like what it
was to be another. Person, yes and so sad is
line in the whole.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Movie oh.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Man, Yeah and but what you have with all of
the peeling back is this you reveal something and then it's,
debunked and then it's revealed from a different.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Perspective, yeah, yeah very. Much so like the next.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Revelation We, okay so it's Like, okay the sex tape
with the neighbor and there, on like that has to
be the thing that she was, wanting the. Secret like
in any other, MOVIE i feel that would have been
the big. Reveal, yeah and the neighbor would have still
been in the film and there would have been a,
conflict you, know like then the neighbor would have tried
to kill the son because he found.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Right that would have been the. Plot but that's the big.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Reveal and you keep, Thinking, oh it was the, Brother
oh it was the. Boyfriend oh, no we're going to learn.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
That it was the.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Mom it's, like, no this isn't about. That, no isn't
about that at. All, no there is no marauding evil
to overcome, here there's no demon to, destroy there's no
evil to be remanded back to. Hell it's not about
a spectacular. Finale it's about closure because, again this is
deeply personal ghost story that is also a meditation on.

(41:02):
Grief so it's about how this family finds closure and
the supernatural way that their dead daughter pushes them toward that. Closure,
now by the end of the, film it's arguable Whether
alice herself has gotten closure or whether she's still hanging,
around but that's just kind of a fun mystery at
cliffhanger to end.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
On but the.

Speaker 2 (41:23):
Next revelation is that this psychic that's been helping the
mom and trying to counsel not only trying to like
lead the seance and connect with the. Daughter because, again
in any other haunting, movie this would have been a
very over the, top broadly drawn. Character he plays in
this movie more like a therapist than a. Psyche yeah, yeah,
uh and not a good one. Either it's, like, oh

(41:44):
you're you're not licensed for this at, all not.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Even a little.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
Bit and the big revelation about, him after they've been
doing these seances and he's been counseling the, mother they
find out That.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Alice also saw.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Him alice was also going to him for again this
weird sort of psychic therapy because she had a lot
of things that were weighing on, her and he didn't
tell the family even after they hired him that he
had previously Seen alice.

Speaker 5 (42:12):
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Speaker 6 (42:21):
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Speaker 8 (42:25):
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dark with yet another page.

Speaker 5 (42:32):
From My halloween.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
Handbook so sit back with a refreshing cool's, light And
i'll set to straight on one of my favorite, topics
superstitions and bad. Luck, hey if YOUR iq is bearing
your shoe, size you know that a black cat crossing
your path or the number thirteen can possibly bring you bad.
Luck but just to prove, It i've asked my assistant,
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(42:55):
Cores life and walk under a.

Speaker 5 (42:56):
Ladder while a black cat crosses his. Path, wow see
not a scratch on. Me this Is elvira The cours
And Cours. Light Happy, halloween, darling don't.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Chance Your halloween.

Speaker 7 (43:11):
Party be sure to stuck up on plenty Of coors
In Coors light where you see The elvira Display Adel Cours,
Company Golden.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Colorado something just occurred to. Me alice knew something bad
was coming. Right she felt like she was going to.
Die she was having recurring dreams about, drowning about being
dead and her mother being unable to help, her and
all that she. Was you, know they have her journal

(43:41):
where at Least alice was experiencing all of this ominous.
Foreboding that was pretty directly leading up to her, death
and she went swimming. Anyway, Right it's, like if you

(44:02):
know you just, ate maybe wait twenty. Minutes, Right so
she encounters like the floater version of, herself just all
puffy and white and swollen like she had drowned and
been found in the, water then decides to go swimming,
anyway and you know that's on. You it's like the

(44:24):
afterlife was trying to warn you, there, Kid and not
to reference back to last week's, episode but if If
Devin sawa has that vision and stays on the plane To, france,
yeah it's, like, dude come, on we tried to tell,
You we tried to tell you to get off the
plane for fuck's. Sake that's what's happening. Here and again it's, like,

(44:46):
okay here's the big. Reveal it's about something this psychic
must have. Done he must have nefarious designs on her
or he did something. Bad, no because again that's not
what this movie. Is, yeah he he decided that he.
Was there was like a client confidentiality with a. Psychic

(45:06):
and it's, LIKE i don't think that's a, thing, Ray,
no not even not even in the absolute wastelands Of,
australia the fucking, lawless the lawless former prison colony that
is that. Continent DO i believe that psychics have patient doctor?
Confidentiality what are we talking about? Here it's, Like, ray
you're not even a. Chiropractor. Ray if someone asks you

(45:33):
if you're a, chiropractor you say.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Yes oo.

Speaker 8 (45:40):
No no.

Speaker 11 (45:40):
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two two three three and you'll hear the funniest monster,
jokes like what's a vampire's favorite sports? Basketball or the
one about the girl who missed your. Money you'll also
find out how to get these scary street tigns featuring
my Friends dracula Wolf man In. Frankenstein it costs two
dollars forty five cents for a tumun, Message so ask
your mom if it's okay before you call one nine

(46:02):
hundred nine on nine two two three. Three i'm dying
to make you laugh.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Again it's, like, okay but maybe now we know, Everything
and then it's, like wait a. Minute they've already established
that she had recently come back from a school trip
to this this place Called Lake, mungo and she came
back without her. Phone and then it turns out That,
uh the, boyfriend upon you, know hearing about a lot of,
this that realizes that like there are thing there are

(46:29):
there's context that he can provide that if he keeps
holding on to it might seem like he's hiding. Something
so he shares a phone video Of alice acting strangely
at This Lake mungo camping, trip and one of the
things they see in the video Is alice is burying
something by this. Tree so the family decides they're all
going to go out. There, Now Lake mungo is a

(46:49):
real place In New South wales and it's this former
it's it used to be a, lake but it's now completely.
Dry but it's also an important archaeological. Site AND i
think that this is something that didn't dawn on me
until we started recording AND i started looking at this.
Information but there in nineteen sixty eight they found the
remains of a Young aboriginal woman and she was nicknamed

(47:11):
The Mungo. Lady she was found to be ritually. Buried
her bones were about forty thousand years old at the
time of, discovery and it was one of the earliest
anatomical modern human remains discovered anywhere in the. World but
then just five years, later another skeleton around forty thousand year,
old forty thousand years old was found also At Lake
mungo and named The Mungo. Man so this is a

(47:32):
place In australia that is very much inextricably associated with
with death and with things that are buried and forgotten,
about and you know what happens when they are. Unearthed it's,
LIKE i don't think it's an accident that that is
the central location and the title of this, movie because

(47:53):
that's what metaphorically we're dealing with. Here it's not her
remains being, recovered because that happens in three. Days it's
about all the things that she was keeping, secret all
of these things that were you, know heavy on her,
heart and what happens when they are on earth and
what do we learn from? That what do we gain
from you, know these secrets being. Revealed so AGAIN i

(48:15):
DON'T i don't think the location is an. Accident and
it turns out she was actually all. Along just that
ghost from that forty thousand year old corpse did not
see that, Coming yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
The whole, time didn't see it.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
Coming, yeah just a neat anthropological. Twist it was pretty.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Wild you, know it's almost as good as the Film.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Anthropophagus so, god, yeah don't ask anyone what that is
if you haven't seen.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
It Jesus Age, christ just skip to the. End that
movie is not so much a meditation on. Grief let's
just put it that. Way oh.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Man and when they find out That alison was eating
her own, INTESTINES i am surprised THAT i remembered the
name of that movie and hopefully pronounced it. Correctly oh you,
did you nailed? It, yes, Yeah, ward that does not.
Exist you should look for the director's. Cut that should ask.

(49:17):
THAT i, mean you're not going to find. IT i
Think i'd have to go To machines sex shop to find,
that and that's not Something i'm interested in. Unearthing but
when the family goes out, there they you, know they
they find her cell phone and this bracelet and all
these things that are very important To alice buried in
the spot from the. Video and when they turn on

(49:37):
her cell, phone that's when they see when she was
kind of wandering out by herself and she Encounters now
you said the name of this, creature AND i don't
recall what it was a FETCH i believe. INTERESTING i
could be, wrong because SOMETIMES i will refer to. Folklore it's, like,
yeah that's not, folklore that's from a video. Game, Dummy,
murphy stop trying to make fetch. Happen it may be

(50:01):
it may be a fetch or oh, no, no, OKAY
i had to look it. Up, no it Is irish.
Folklore it is a supernatural, double or an apparition of
a living. Person the sighting of a fetch is regarded
as an omen usually for impending.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Death SO i did get it. Right, awesome, Nice, Nice
there is something AND i think they call it a.
Double that is you.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Know one of the things that has happened to me
As i've returned to office is That i've spent a
lot more time On facebook, reels because that is HOW
i passed the. Day and one of the Things i've
noticed in the sort of supernatural realm Of facebook is
that they are obsessed with skin walkers and WITH i
don't think they call them. DOPPELGANGERS i think they call them,
doubles which is, basically when you're alone in your house

(50:45):
and you hear from upstairs your own voice calling, you
AND i think that's kind of the same thing as
we're talking about, here and it is very like it
is the easiest thing in the world to be able to.
Manipulate AND i know that ninety nine point nine percent
of these videos are complete, bullshit but it is very
unnerving when you hear someone on the video, like, HEY
i keep hearing this thing from, upstairs and then you
hear that same voice in a whisper from upstairs.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Like hey come.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
Here it's like fuck What. No IF i heard that
in my own, HOUSE i would go running into. Traffic
it's just your.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Kid and then it turns out it's just your kid
listening to junk food.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Cinema, well Then i'm witches for a different, reason AND i, go,
yeah that's a pretty good reason to run into. TRAFFIC
i let my kid watch all of The Final destination.
MOVIES i would never let him listen to young food.
Cinema oh, no let him listen to junk food. Cinema
and then he, said but, dad But carhill, said and
Then brian just immediately throws himself in front of a.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Bus.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Wow, Yeah, NO i would like it'd be the final destination,
kill except on.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Purpose step in front of that bus on, purpose for.
Sure cracula.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
Shows frankenstein quick into The.

Speaker 12 (51:46):
Monsterizer you could activate The monsterizer batteries not, included and
imagine you were restoring monster power To frankenstein.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
That you're sold.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Separately you crank him into the.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Chamber it closes, AUTOMATICALLY i devate The.

Speaker 12 (51:57):
Monsterizing The monsteriser comes completely. Shown frankenstein And dracula figures
are sold.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Separately new From.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Remco but, yeah that's when we run into the fetch
and it's it's they pause it and they realize The father's,
like that's what she looked like when they pulled her
out of the water WHEN i had to go identify the.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Body that's.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
Her and it's at this point that she starts to
realize and she, tells you know that this when she
starts to see the psychic before she dies and talk,
about you, KNOW i think That i'm going to, die
something bad is.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Gonna happen to. Me and it's like that.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
THAT i don't know how you come back from an
omen like, that BUT i agree with, You. MURPHY i
also don't know how you get in that goddamn. Water
I'm i'm Leaving. AUSTRALIA i, mean, like just.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Don't it's time to. Go, yeah it's that's the.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Problem with a lot of horror. Movies it's, like, no it,
is it is time to. Leave it's, like just pack everything,
Up we're.

Speaker 6 (53:01):
Done.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah i'm driving out of there faster Than Mad. MAX
i don't even know how you drive out Of, australia
But i'm gonna fucking find a. Way just drive into the. Outback,
Yeah i'll just live off the land and gasoline is
my new.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Currency you.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
KNOW i think this is just me secretly wanting to
live a road warrior. EXISTENCE i don't.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Know, yeah but No. Internet that's gonna be No.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Internet not not the never ending array of asslest chaps
that constitute your. Wardrobe, no your problem is the lack of.
YouTube is that What i'm?

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Understanding?

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, also LIKE i don't want to get chained up
on the back of a.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
BIKE i don't.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
KNOW i THINK i think my youngest would look pretty
good with that, Mullet that's All i'm gonna. Say but
like the chrome hockey, mask that's pretty. Dope IF i
get one of, those then we can.

Speaker 5 (53:55):
Negotiate the party continues after these.

Speaker 6 (53:58):
Messages Another chili coos light encounter with The queen Of.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
Halloween, Hello, darling.

Speaker 8 (54:11):
It's me El, Vira mistress of The, dark back to
help you make This halloween one you'll never. Forget so
cool your there's a little Frosty coops light And i'll
tell you.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
How to put a little after life into a. Party
have yourself a. Seance, hey make in contact with the
other side can be a.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
Blast AND i ain't talking bell a phone call To,
china but just be.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
Careful the only spirit some people want to meet is
the spirit of a Cold coors.

Speaker 8 (54:35):
Light oh you'll also meet a crystal ball mine as
a prize school fantique made over four hundred years.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
Ago my, assistant the beer warf is bringing.

Speaker 8 (54:43):
Right now.

Speaker 10 (54:46):
For Coursn't Coors.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Light Happy, Halloween, Darling Joe, Barro just get the, broom
add some life to Your halloween party with, ice Cold
cops And.

Speaker 7 (54:55):
Coors like stock up today where you see the Al vira.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
Display, hey Al cours come, Through golden come that.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Out so, yeah after all of this goes down and
after all this has been, revealed they come back to
the house and they talk about how it just feels.
Different it feels more at, Peace it feels like you,
know it feels like whatever was lingering has now, departed
and you, know they still make the decision that they're
gonna move. Away but, again this movie is not about

(55:21):
a spectacular. Finale it's about, closure and we see this
family get, closure and you, know we it's a tragic
story and it's it's you, know it's, heartbreaking but at
the same, time it's about how this family moves. On
AND i think it's a spectacularly well done. Movie the,
music the, cinematography like. EVERYTHING i agree with, You. MURPHY
i think there is a certain expectation of quality when

(55:42):
you would buy That After DARK dvd, series but you,
know every once in a while there would be a
gym in. There AND i think this was absolutely the
gem of this. Set AND i think it's crazy that
this movie is not more well. KNOWN i, mean you
don't have you, know, sequels you don't have t shirts
or anyone cause playing as the characters. Spirit halloween does
not have a decorse section devoted To Lake.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Monco you know WHAT i, mean it barely.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
EXISTS i really hope that more people catch on to
this type of filmmaking because it is so, quiet it
is so, thoughtful and it you know there there's only
like one big, scare AND i think that's when like
you reveal the corpse in the phone in the phone footage.

(56:29):
There but it really goes against the. Grain it takes its.
Time it's not a long, film you, know it only
runs it like eighty eight, minutes and it.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Is so, subtle but it just sticks with.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
You and it's not just the, eeriness it's the the
real human collateral.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
That her her death wrought upon her.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Family, yeah AND i Think Joel, anderson you, know he
kind of understand or everything we're saying because he doesn't
like the idea of this being described even as a supernatural.
Film it's his opinion that this is an exploration of.
Grief like those are his exact. Words and he also
said that he was very interested in how technology has
used to record people's lives and track their memories and

(57:18):
how technology mediates a lot of our human. Experiences so
like he is dealing with SOME i think real metaphorical
meat here that is chewing on AND i really do
appreciate about. That, like, again there are a lot of
scenes that are going to unnerve you a. Bit there
are things that are going to get under your skin
and make the hair on the back of your next stand.
Up but at the same, time this is a very

(57:38):
personal film about a family and crisis and how they
find the strength to move on by you, know first
having to confront a lot of the things that their
daughter wasn't able to share with them while she was. Alive,
like especially as a, PARENT i feel like this movie
is if you're you, know if someone who has kids
and is especially if you.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Have teenagers in your trying.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
To connect with, him but you're having trouble, communicating because
that is a very real problem that you, know parents,
have is trying to communicate with. Teenagers AND i think
this movie will will DEFINITELY i, Honestly, Murphy i'm not
sure that this movie would have worked as well for
me IF i had seen, it you know when That
After Dark nights set was put, Out but, man it
really spoke to.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Me on this.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
VIEWING i would like to point out one, thing how
the director just kind of. Disappeared, yeah he did show
back up after god fifteen years as a. Producer I'm
Late night with The, devil.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Right that was a wild piece of.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
TRIVIA i was, like of all the, things like to
just randomly return and, LIKE i really Like Late night
with The. Devil we talked about that a little bit
In Our Devil's rain. Episode but, yeah like, boom he's
just just Like, HI i am here.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Again i've. Reappeared.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
YEAH i hope he gets more. WORK i would love
to SEE i would love to see him tackle some more.
Stuff AND i hope he's GOT i hope HE i
hope it wasn't like, yeah that's that's ALL i. Got so,
Uh i'm.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Gonna go back to.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
WORK i just hope that the person working On Late
night with The devil was him and not his.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
Fetch do you know WHAT i? Mean, like because that
would be Really.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
We're gonna see a documentary about the making Of Late
night with The.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Devil, dude let's Go Late night With Late night with The.
Devil let's.

Speaker 12 (59:23):
GO i used to be frightened by all the wine
COOLERS i.

Speaker 6 (59:28):
SAW i was SCARED i wouldn't pick the right.

Speaker 7 (59:30):
Ones LUCKILY i.

Speaker 12 (59:32):
Did it was the most refreshing one of them All
Sun country wine.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
Cooler you, See Some country is a blend of premium
white wine and real fruit. Juice that's what gives it
this great.

Speaker 6 (59:43):
Taste to Sun, country say give me.

Speaker 12 (59:45):
The real juice. Cooler if you don't say Sun, country
you'd sleep with your high.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Song, well before we get out of, Here, MURPHY i
just want to play a quick game with. You several
years AGO i had this mini serious patrons called The
halloween Hot, seat which is basically just a quick sort
of interview about the favorite, topics personal, topics personal favorite
things About. Halloween, so if you will indulge, ME i
would like to place you on The halloween Hot seat

(01:00:13):
for just a. Second i'm, Ready i'm buckled. In let's do.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
It this is very much going to be Like Late
night with The. Devil where Does halloween rank among the
holidays for?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
You?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Oh number, one, easily with no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
QUESTION i figured that that was the easy. One that's
a warm up. Question what is your favorite costume that
you've ever? Worn And i'm very interested to know the
answer to this from you Because i've been to Multiple
halloween parties with you and seen some of the amazing
costumes that you've put. Together So i'm interested to know
what has been your favorite over the. Years, okay, so
for the longest, time as a, KID i was the

(01:00:49):
child Murderer Freddy krueger three years in a row in like, fifth,
sixth and seventh grade or. Something, yeah SO i look
back on that one with. Fondness but my absolute, FAVORITE
i think you might remember this one Was Mola ram
From Indiana jones and The temple Of. DOOM i was
hoping you were going to say. That, yeah that one
was fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
Epic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah my wife made the whole, thing made the big.
Helmet we had the flaming heart and the black blood
Of collie good, times and she Was Willie. Scott so
that was a lot of, fun not nearly as annoying
as the Real Willy, scott AND i know her for.
That what is or was if you don't eat candy?
Anymore what was your Favorite halloween?

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Candy? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
Gobstoppers yeah really, YEAH i love gobstoppers, absolutely still still
will you, know but now they make me a little
afraid because my little brother nearly choked on. One they're just,
perfect the perfect size to lodge in a kid's. Throat oh,
YEAH i choked on a lemonhead WHEN i was a,
kid which were similar. CANDIES i was AT i was

(01:01:53):
at karate AND i had just gone next door to
the comic book. Shop that also Sold Batman Returns trading,
cards which IS i was there to buy to put
a date on this, immediately AND i was eating lemonheads
THAT i had bought. THERE i never had them, before
AND i Thought i'll try these and almost died so
never had them. Again BUT i do think it's interesting
that there seem to be camps between the fruity candies

(01:02:15):
and the chocolate. Candies LIKE i don't see a lot
of people who are, like, oh give it all to.
Me it's either LIKE i Want reeses OR i Want
gobstoppers and Sour patch. Kids like it just seems like
a weird never the tweens shall meet kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Situation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, NO i don't do. CHOCOLATE i don't dig on.
CHOCOLATE i gotta have all The wonka, stuff all The
wonka like nerds And gobstoppers And runts and stuff like. That,
okay well that dovetails into my next. Question, then what
is your stance on candy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Corn candy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Corn love candy. Corn, okay love candy. Corn in, FACT
i haven't had any this, year AND i want to get.
Some They've i've got the fall mix where they've got
those like gigantic pumpkins in.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
It that's the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Best well, See and that's the next THING i was
gonna ask you is when you are you a candy
corn purist or do you like let yourself dalliances into
the flavored varieties of candy, corn.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Like the camel and all that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Stuff i'll do the flavored varieties, absolutely, yeah like a
whole bag if you let.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Me it's s grotesque, NICE i very.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
Much I'M i like candy, corn BUT i prefer just
the regular like you, said like the regular orange pumpkins
or the regular orange and white candy corn. Pieces Like
i'm not really a big fan of when they start
doing wild, flavors BUT i do really, much very much
enjoy candy. Corn maybe Because i'm From. INDIANA i don't
know how old is too old to trick or? Treat Oh,
Man at some point it starts to feel. WEIRD i

(01:03:35):
remember WHEN i did, that AND i think it was
probably like probably like twelve or. Thirteen but you know,
what it depends on the environment, Too, yeah, right so like,
where what, city what, neighborhood that kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
THING i think it should.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
BE i think it should be acceptable for adults to
trick or treat as. WELL i mean in our, neighborhood
they give out little bottles of liquor to the parents
that are shat running like our our neighborhood goes fucking,
Insane like our neighborhood is so good at trigger. Treating
kids from other neighborhoods are literally trucked. IN i mean
literally just pick up trucks full of kids will park

(01:04:10):
in on like the end of our, street and they'll
just jump out like they're fucking performing a raid or something.
Like all these little like AMONG us characters and UH
k pop demon hunterers are all like jumping out of
trucks and like scattering all over the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Neighborhood it's, Crazy like what what candy are you gonna give?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Them so in years Past i've, done uh, Like i've
started with the full sized candy bars until those run,
out and then you, KNOW i just start giving them
from a. Mix but every year we have to buy.
More like we've seen On facebook people who move into
our neighborhood and ask the question, like, hey it's our
First halloween, year how much candy should we? Buy and
the comments are like eleven hundred is the minimum that
You and they're not wrong like only last year DID

(01:04:50):
i finally figure out how to not run out of,
it like there were the years before, That BECAUSE i
know my youngest doesn't eat. CANDY i would like try
to be wrapping things, up But i'd have to grab
a piece from his bag give to because they just
wouldn't stop. Coming LIKE i LITERALLY i couldn't catch a
break long enough to like shut off the, lights do
you know WHAT i?

Speaker 5 (01:05:07):
Mean like?

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Wow and even AFTER i shut off the lights and
put up a, sign like people were still knocking on our,
Door like it's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Insane how many freaking trigger treaters we?

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
Get i'm gonna, come like after you turn out the
lights and just knock and just be creepy and just
keep showing up like throughout the. Night there's like a
one in five CHANCE i would just look up and me,
like is That? Murphy that's Probably. Murphy well he answered
my next question. Already what is one film that you
watch Every? Halloween you mentioned THE wnuf, Special, yes love

(01:05:41):
that and the various follow ups like the Out There Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Tape, god those are all so much.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Fun and USUALLY i try to get inter viewing Of carpenter's,
original like how can you not. Know of COURSE i
like that we say that like you AND i both
referred to it As Carpenter's, original as if it was a.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Candy it's like a wordless.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Origin like it's like it's root beer or.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
SOMETHING i drank six. Mugs it was.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Delicious my next question pumpkin spice yay or pumpkin spice?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Nay oh, yeah absolutely love? It sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
YEAH i MEAN i am actually drinking black coffee right,
now and that's usually HOW i take my. Coffee BUT
i like the, flavor and, uh you know, what if
somebody else likes, it, Great uh go for, it like
what you, like enjoy. IT i don't yuck the yum.
Anymore BUT i Am i'm not a pumpkin spice guy
by any. Stretches AND i think it's just like it
became sort of the the nickelback of flavors where it's

(01:06:40):
just like we're putting in on, everything we're overplaying the
hell out of it to the point that it's LIKE
i don't need pumpkin. Spice, oreos like You, oreos you've
already gone to eleven a number of, times you've already
gone way outside your jurisdiction when it comes to, flavors
you don't need to add pumpkin spice into the rotation is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
All I'M i love. IT i love.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
It oreos you want you want to give me like
flaming hot cheetoh oreos or, Whatever let's do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
It i'll try. It why? Not oh goodbye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Nus and, finally what is your can't Miss halloween? Tradition
what is something that even as you've gotten, older it's,
LIKE i still have to do this Every. Halloween oh,
man UH I i really have to go back and
uh make sure the bodies are still there WHERE i left,
them that they're undisturbed for reasons mundane or. Supernatural that uh,

(01:07:33):
yeah THAT i haven't been found out. Yet this is
my GUEST. H. H murphy on The halloween Hot, Seat
so that's that's. Fantastic he was a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
Homemaker really he made a murder, castle so technically he
did make a. Home.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah it was, uh you, know it was like it
was like the first Me.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
Wolf, yeah it do be like that. Sometimes. Uh The
White city is a book THAT i very.

Speaker 4 (01:08:01):
Much Happy, Halloween, barny and that brings us to the
junk food.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
Pairing and for, Mine, MURPHY i went with witchity.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Grubs What, yeah so this is touted as on The
internet the most Popular halloween candy In. Australia these are
gummy candies with a hint of lemon for what they
call a delectable. Flavor here's the PROBLEM i have with witchity.
Grubs the shape of the, candy as its name, suggests
is intended to replicate the appearance of actual witchity, grubs

(01:08:34):
which is The australian term for the large white wooding
larvae of several. Moths so these maniacs are literally giving
out candy At halloween two children that are shaped like
and named after. Grubs oh that's. AMAZING i, mean we've
got gummy. Worms that was my absolute favorite thing as
a as a. Kid so, yeah, why you're.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
RIGHT i do have to check.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Myself we do eat gummy, worms and at one point
in our cultural history we thought wax lips was an
Appropriate halloween treat for, children, right what's that? About SO
i apologize to the, continent the nation Of. Australia clearly
we've got our own shit to work. Out but, Yeah
i'm going with witchity grubs just, because according to The,
internet it's one of the most Popular halloween candies In.

(01:09:19):
Australia my junk food pairing would be some fairy. Toast
don't they do that In. Australia fairy toast where they
just make toast and they like a bunch of sweets
and desserts and things like. That they put like sprinkles
like you put on cupcakes and cake and they'll just

(01:09:40):
put it on like, butter like butter the bread or
butter the toast and then put candy sprinkles on. It
and they do that on lots of. Stuff i'm fine
with it as long as you're not the. Butter it's
butter and not. Vegemite if it's, vegemite you can fucking keep.
That fairy can't Do vegemiteles is gonna fix the.

Speaker 1 (01:09:59):
Vegemite oh, no, yeah fairy. Bread had to look it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Up white sandwich, bread soft and, fluffy no sour, door fancy.
Stuff butter or margarine hundreds and, thousands that's What OSSI's
call colorful round, sprinkles hundreds and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:13):
Thousands this podcast is very.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Cultural you will learn a lot listening to, us AND
i feel like that's the point that's been missed for
many many.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
Years.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Yeah, absolutely just this is all class and culture junk
food cinema.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Because it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Lie thank you for listening to Our halloween episode On Lake,
mungo And, murphy thank you so much for taking this
trip To Lake mungo with. Me please let the people
know plug anything you, want tell them where they can
find you on the. INTERWEBS i haven't published anything in a,
while but if you're looking for horror comedies to get
you through the spooky season AND i guess after the spooky,
season if you're listening to, this you can check out my.

(01:10:49):
Books they're On. Amazon start off With Killer. Candy, yeah
it's horror, comedy lots of, swears blood, violence it's a
fun time for. All AND i, know, oh this is
probably you're probably tired of me saying, this But i'm
also a huge fan Of Black Oat Motorcycle. Club go
check that one. Out that's that's one of my favorite
things That murphy has ever. Done highly highly. Recommended and

(01:11:12):
if you want more junk food, CINEMA i don't know
what's wrong with, you but you can find eleven years
of this horseshit on your favorite. Podcast you can follow
us on social, media and if you really like the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Show the.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
SHOW i, mean as much As australians like eating grub,
candy you can go to patreon dot com Slash Junk
Food cinema financially support the. Show we greatly appreciate, it
and as we, depart we wish you a very Happy
halloween and remind you don't trick or treat, alone don't
go smashing, pumpkins and remember to leave out a plate
of bullets for Doctor.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
LEWIS i don't know what they were trying to sell,
you But i'd buy it