Night Game (1989)

Cargill comes off the bench and makes his glorious return to the big leagues as he and Brian play all nine innings of Night Game! 


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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Gosh a meaning.

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Junk and watching Rabbish.

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and returning to the show after a stint in the miners.

(01:21):
Arguably not unlike Roy Scheider in this movie. He is
a novelist. He is a screenwriter, a lieutenant of Megaporce.
It's c Robert.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Cargill, number one in the box office, but number three
in your hearts.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's me the Wolfman Jack introduction for c Robert Cargill.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Absolutely, ah, Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
He's a grabber, but she's gotta have her. I don't
know what that means Wolfman. I don't think we just
need to put that one aside. If you would like
more of if you have put enough of your pride aside,
it would like to listen to eleven years of this horseshit.
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Speaker 2 (02:02):
I mean, you really liked the show, you.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Like as much as Roy Scheider really likes Simson Astros,
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Cinema and financially support the show. We greatly appreciate it. Cargil,
I'm so happy that you are back, and I'm so
happy that you are immediately throwing weird, obscure movie haymakers
at us. I asked you what movie you wanted to
cover this week, and in the grand tradition of Junk

(02:26):
Food Cinema being the most timely podcast on the Internet,
we are covering a baseball thriller a full two weeks
after the conclusion of the World Series.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well yeah, but it's not like the Astros. We're in it.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Not this year, goddamn it.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
It's not like they had much of a chance.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
Not this year. Goddamn it. They they should have been
in there. But Seattle is just undeniable AnyWho cargil.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Please, so undeniable that they made it all the way right.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
There is like fourteen people listening to this who are
both junk food cinema fans and huge Mariners fans that
just turned off the podcast. They may not have won
this year, but they will cow rally back next year.
Don't you worry about it?

Speaker 2 (03:07):
All right, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
What if the movie we're covering, Cargo.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
The sequel Tonight moves night Game.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Playing in the night Game, reusing this bit because I
ain't got no shame talking about the night game.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
For its Detective Mike Seeger Ameerica's favorite pastime has just
become a matter of life and test.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
We've got six women killed over two and a half months.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
Better.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
I want to get this guy? What is that a clever?
What are we talking to? But you're here so goddample?
What about a hook? O? I a long show?

Speaker 3 (03:52):
This hook.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
The time Moretto pitches and wins. This guy strikes.

Speaker 5 (03:58):
Now Mike Seeger has to that's the killer. Before the
chiller heads for a whole You will a shine at Night.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Game, a movie about a former sports ball player who
gets injured and ends up becoming a detective and then
falls in love with someone half his age and then
gets caught up in a horrible crime that just a
little outside of his realm.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I love that you just described three different movies while
you were describing this one.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Movie, and yet it is both of the movies. This
is not a sequel to Night Moves. It just shares
a lot in common in all the ways that we
love movies, and so these movies live in our heads together.
And this is a movie that you and I had
talked about before, that I had not seen before, and

(04:55):
that I just ran across, you know, in one of
my you know, snorkeling missions deep down in Sinophilia, and
now you.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
And Gene Hackman went snorkeling, I think to find this one.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
That's exactly. And I came back up and I said, oh, man,
there's this weird ass movie that I'd never heard of,
starring Roy Scheider, and You're like, Night Game. I fucking
love it. Do I have opinions on Night Game? So
I was like, oh, fuck yeah, I gotta watch this,
and I was like, oh, I have opinions on Night Game,
so this will this let's cover it.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, this is that rare instance where a Cargill pick,
despite being wildly obscure, is one I have seen before
because I rented it on VHS back in the Vulcan
video days, the long long ago, and uh yeah, I
could not believe what I was seeing, and revisiting this
movie for this episode led me down an even weirder

(05:45):
rabbit hole than any of the other rabbit holes I
find myself tumbling down. So I'm excited to talk about that.
But as Cargil hinted at, this is a movie from
nineteen eighty nine starring Roy Scheider as a former baseball
player turned detective, and yeah, it's it's basically baseball Giallo
is what we're dealing with here, which to me is
two of my favorite tastes just slammed together. Whether or

(06:06):
not they should be combined, whether or not they go
together at all, it doesn't fucking matter. I love that
somebody was like, you know, what would be great a
slasher movie that is centered around baseball, And if we're
gonna make a movie about baseball in the late eighties
that we're still like absolutely worshiping at the altar, the
architectural altar that is the Astrodome, Like it is such

(06:29):
an amazing structure and it's like such a great cathedral
for baseball. So if we're gonna make a baseball movie
a baseball slasher, let's center it around the Astros. And
if we're gonna center it around the Astros, the movie
should absolutely be said in EU's Galveston. It's said in Galveston,
not Houston. Which is the funniest fucking part of this movie.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yes, no, no, no, I got that. Sorry, just just
walked in and looked at me and was like trying
to communicate with her while you're telling a joke.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Are you steal? I'm sorry? Is your wife giving you
the sign to swing away while I'm trying to fucking
talk to Are you stealing sign? Right now?

Speaker 2 (07:01):
No? No, she told me to steal.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Third okay, much like she did on your third date. Look,
the point being that was first base. I forget how
it works. I work backward.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
It's complicated.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
Women are complicated. I forget how they work.

Speaker 6 (07:20):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
But yeah, no, this this movie, that is the the
the part that jumped out to me immediately is that
this is a game essentially about the Houston ashows. They're
directly connected into this series of slayings. But the movie
is set in Galveston, which just screams like tax breaks
in Galveston that were not available in Houston for some reason.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Before we go any further, we should probably and under
saying probably, get all the business out of the way.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Oh, I did that already. I did the whole thing
at the beginning of the show. You've been gone a
long time, you've forgotten how to turn off the button
that drowns me out. But uh, yeah, I went over
all of that already. Don't you worry about great?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Great? Yeah, I've got a lot of thoughts on your
thoughts already, you know. I mean. The big thing is,
I was just having this discussion with Jess the other
night about what constitutes giallo, because nobody can actually agree
on really what truly constitutes giallo.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Except for black gloves. That's the only thing everyone agrees
on is blad.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
It's like kind of but then there's great giallos that
don't have black gloves, Like there is no definitive, Like
there's all the things that we expect out of Giallo
and then you know, but one of the things is
it's got to come from Italy. And then you called this,
you know, uh an American sports giallo, and I was like, fuck,
that's exactly what it is. Yeah, it is like it

(08:43):
plays by all the other rules in such a great
way that I'm like, okay, okay, I'll acknowledge that this
is This is one of those interesting, one of those
very interesting late eighties thrillers, and thriller is the keyword here,
because there's a you know, one of the ways that

(09:03):
you know, horror was still considered ghettoized at this point,
and one of the ways Hollywood would get around that
to class it up is they would make thrillers. It's
not a horror film. It's a thriller. Yes, it has
so many of the hallmarks of the horror film, but
we follow the detective rather than following the victims, and

(09:25):
so we are watching all of this unwind from the
point of view of someone trying to track down the killer.
And then it's also one of those weird ones that
at first starts hiding the villain from you and then
goes fuck it, you don't know who this character is,
we'll just show them to you the rest of the movie.
And then does it but in a way that you're

(09:46):
not like this is bad or wrong, but in a oh,
we can't guess who this killer is and I was
trying to put my finger on exactly where to place
it in that way, and you're right. It does it
the same way is like, you know, great Giallo, you
can't guess who the killer really is because you're not
given enough information for that, because that's not the point.

(10:09):
And that is exactly this. The craziest thing I think
about this movie in terms of that is that it
is a movie called Night Game that is about a
guy who's obsessed with sports, and you have no idea
what sports has anything to do with this fucking movie
for the first two thirds of the movie, and then
it becomes very important.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
And when the detective makes the connection between baseball and
the killings, any sergeant worth his salt would have looked
at Roy Scheider and gone, that's raiser thin. I don't
know if we can really consider that a lead.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yeahs not to be right. Hey what wait, who is pitching?
What night what?

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, it's literally somebody who's obsessed with sports statistics, trying
to make it everyone else's problem. It's like, oh, when
this guy pitches and he wins, and they play at night,
that's when the killings happen. It's like, Okay, I think
you might be the killer.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Ex you know, every everybody has that person in their
uh uh in their uh fan league.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Sure no, for me, it's my fourteen year old son.
So I totally understand how you can get wrapped up
in the statistics. But he's going like full Pepe Sylvia,
like writing eras on the walls and connecting like little
threads on on corkboard and being like this is who
the killer is. And everyone's like, okay, Grandpa, go back
to you know, marrying your nineteen year old sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Look the point, come back to your skimmity toilets in
your six sevens or whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Fucking six seven, fucking six seven. I'm so damn done
with it.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Oh dude, I I I so get six seven.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
No, I don't nobody do. Cargil, Cargil, cargil. You can't
get six seven because six seven has no fucking meaning.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's like Buttafuca, but.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Afua was a person I get.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but remember when everybody turned but afuco
into a verb or an ad an adjective. But of course,
so I remember it never meant the same thing, but
you always knew what somebody was saying when they said
something was butterfuco. Remember that we went through this whole
Comedy Central even did a song about it. They did
a whole thing on buttafuka.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I don't know, like I don't get to say okay
Boomer on this show, but I am gonna say okay
gen Xer because using Joey buttafuco to explain six seven
is the most gen x horseshit I've ever heard in
my life.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Congrats and the other There's people out there going, oh fuck,
I remember that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'm not saying you're not right. I'm just saying you're oldest.
Fuck I guess is what I'm trying to get at.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
And all I'm saying is six seven six'.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Seven we carved six seven into our fucking Jack o
lantern because my youngest got to pick what we did
and he thought it'd be. Funny and oh my, god
despite all the Money i've spent over the years on
lawn decor and inflatables and lights and all these. Things
all the kids were excited about the stupid six seven.
Pumpkin it was kind of, like, ah it was. Bittersweet
it was. Bittersweet that's All i'm gonna, Say Star. Crop

(12:57):
IF i could just get six or seven more minutes
of your time to actually talk about night, game that
would be. Great and there it.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Goes the pitch is hong, ON i miss.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Right one that's on the second base is in. Time
they've got him. North there's are raised on a great.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Throw he had that long job beck to the upland
dugout run away.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
One it Is. Giallo and here's the, Thing, Cargo, like you're,
right the definition Of giallo is a little bit hard
to pin. Down it's. Nebulous, however we know it when
we see it specifically because it was bastardized In america
into the formula of The american. Slasher so WHEN i
see movies that are in the slasher genre that follow
a very specific sort of who done it, process at

(13:43):
least for five minutes in this movie. Anyway, Uh and
they're doing things like we've got shiny, weapons we've GOT pov,
shots we've got you, know like very specific sharp. WEAPONRY
a lot of the things that came From yallow that
we then turned into The American slasher are alive and
well in this. Movie but the other thing about, it
as you, said is that it's not really a who
done it after the first. Kill it's more like a

(14:05):
who the fuck is? That, like we know who done,
it we just don't know who the fuck that.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Is we don't know, why we don't know, what we
don't know exactly how for a.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
While but the process of trying to figure out, WAIT
i kind of recognize the, face but who is that
is also a game you could play with this, movie
because the THING i love most About Night game is
that it is character.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Actoraven oh, yeah, yeah right down to there's a character
actor that looks and sounds like he's in the, movie
and he's not in the, movie Not Walton. Goggins tell
me you didn't have to look that up when he shut.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
UP i didn't look it up only BECAUSE i was,
like that doesn't make sense with the timeline of the,
world like he wouldn't be that age in nineteen eighty.
Nine but you're, right that dude looked so much Like
Walton goggins it was.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Unbelievable it's like What Walton, goggins ISN'T i Remember? Walting, No,
no he's, not it's. Not, Yeah, NO i mean this
is like everyone everyone who has a substantial role in
this movie is a classic fucking character, actor including one
of everybody's favorite villains from the eighties playing a shit,

(15:14):
heel absolute fucking shit heel in this. Movie, uh AND
i love.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
It so we already Mentioned Roy, scheider who's one of
my favorite actors. EVER i Love Roy. Scheider the weirdest
thing about this, movie besides the fact that it's A
Houston astros movie set In, galveston is. That, oh by the,
way for those of, You i'm, SORRY i feel LIKE
i have only been talking to The texas. Listeners galveston
And houston are not necessarily side by. Side we're not

(15:40):
talking twin cities. Here one of them is literally on the.
Coast galveston is on The gulf, coast And houston is you,
KNOW i don't, know like one hundred miles. Inward so
like they're not exactly like next door to each. Other
so it. IS i, mean it makes sense that people
who live In galveston would root for The. Astros it
doesn't necessarily make sense that you would literally go like
back to back of showing people enjoying baseball games in

(16:02):
the astrodome to people on the fucking boardwalk In galveston
like it. Does it's not necessarily like you go from
one to the other, seamlessly but they do in this.
Movie so that is why it is. Funny Roy scheider
in this, movie by the, way is a cradle robbing.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Detective, well this IS i think it's important to talk
about where this is in terms Of schider's, career because
every decade has an aging actor who is the young
hotness who is in classic, films whose name is huge
and then doesn't age gracefully and instead keeps doing the

(16:41):
weird action or cop. Rolls, sure And Gene hackman definitely
did that in the. Seventies Roy scheider did that all
through the. Eighties we're doing it now With Brad. Pitt you,
know we got our time With clooney playing the same
roles and this is just we it. Is it is,
there and it is nineteen eighty nine and he is

(17:03):
still young and hot, everybody and you can tell because
of his twenty year old. Fiance, yeah he picked up
in the creepiest manner.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Possible If Roy scheider is still Playing, brodie then his
catchphrase in this Is we're gonna need a younger Broad
do you know WHAT i? Mean? Like it's it's a
completely it's the same character. Creepier it's so creepy in,
fact that they reveal in the movie that his character
is engaged to a much younger woman Named. Roxy and

(17:33):
it's revealed in the movie That Roy scheider's character also
Banged roxy's mom back in the.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Day did they actually did they allude to?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
That?

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh, yeah oh yes they. Did oh, yes they very
much did.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Remember them talking about dancing and getting the impression they
were in high school. Together BUT i did not quite
catch The, uh like, father like, mother like.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Daughter it is like two steps away from being a
search tab on someone's incognito. Mode is this relationship going?

Speaker 5 (18:01):
On?

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Uh and further making this creepy cargil is that the
actress who is Playing roxy in this, Movie Karen YOUNG
i believe her name, is also plays one of the
Fucking brody children In jaws for The.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Revenge oh, no oh, yes to be, fair be. Fair
brody's dead by, then so He's schier wasn't in that,
movie SO.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I haven't Seen Joels. FAULT i have seen The pono,
parodies The steppono parodies that are based On Jills full
and the ABYSMAL i mean.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
The fact that she is one of the brody kids
is a little.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
DUDE i could not ONCE i scrolled down and saw
that in her IMDb, BI i was, Like, Oh i'm
never gonna unsee. It i'm never gonna unsee, it and
and And WHAT i love About shiner in this, movie,
though is he's able to pull mom and daughter despite
the fact that he looks like he was born and
raised inside a box Of marlboro. Reds.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yes almost to be pointed, OUT i think one of
the most interesting things about this movie is that none
of this that we're criticizing and having fun with is. Unintentional,
nope like they're playing that you're supposed to be bothered
by a lot of. This this entire the underlying theme

(19:19):
of this entire movie is, yeah good old boy Eighties
texas kind of fucking. Sucked, Yep like it's the cops
just suck across the. Board he is surrounded by, incompetence
and he is not highly competent. Himself, no you, know
fucking looney. Tune he's he's he's a fucking looney. Tune you,
know he's got a lot going. On he's he's a weird.

(19:39):
Guy there's a lot of there's a lot of Extra,
uh there's a lot of shoe leather in this movie
about installing televisions and not getting channel. Eight you would
then you would assume in a movie about a serial,
killer there's just a lot of extra. Stuff there has
to be a local.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Reference the people Of calvison had to be, like, yeah
channel that's fucking channel.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Eight Probably channel eight was probably A houston channel that
they were trying to get In.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Galveston see see see that's the connection that we, Missed,
cargil that's the. Connection that's why this movie commanded over
three hundred thousand dollars at the box.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
OFFICE i, mean keep in, MIND i lived In texas
in this, era so, UH i kind of remember some
of this.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Stuff And i've been to this part Of texas, since,
uh since getting, married and, like there's so much about
it that rings true and it just LIKE I but
but continuing on in the the character Actor, buffet.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Let's do It Lane.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Smith fuck, it everybody's like over, favorite overbearing dad from
the eighties is in this movie and he's fucking. Great he's,
like you want to talk about somebody who every time
he opens his mouth sounds like a good old. Boy
It's Lane.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Smith and his name couldn't be more good old boy
than it is unless it had the word buford sandwiched.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
In by the, WAY i would love abut. Sandwich that sounds.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
DELICIOUS i, mean who loves a Good who doesn't love
a good bufort smothered with a mustard and get a
couple seconds on the. Grill, yeah that's good. Stuff Lane
smith As, Witty lamar, Witty lamar.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Witty that's not a, name that's the street corner where
you can get the really cheap.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
Cigarettes he is lamar, witty AND i love what he's always,
like showing up out of a fancy car or a,
Helicopter like he's just always, Like i'm here to be
the governor's.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Asshole Lane smith understood the, assignment as the kids, say six,
seven because he isn't just doing a small part in this.
Movie he's not really doing a cameo in this. Movie
he is helicoptering into this fucking.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Movie that is.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Correct we need A Lane smith helicopter into this. Film
and thank, god here Comes Lamar. Witty where will they
tell you Some lucy's over at the corner Of Lamar.
Witty that is. Correct Jesus, christ he's so fucking good
in this. Movie but as the infomercials that your parents
will have to tell you about because you don't. Remember but,

(22:08):
wait there's More Paul gleason Like, america like the favorite
eighties asshole of all time next to like What Richard.
Atherton Maybe Paul gleeson in this. Movie you will remember,
him of course as the principal From The Breakfast club
as well as a dozen other fucking movies is in
this movie as the the county Cop Kyle, brossard who

(22:30):
may or may not also be a small time, pimp
so he's got that going for, him which is.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Nice and is at any moment going to break out
in a fist fight With Roy.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Scheint oh, yeah, no they're like they're every.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Turn they're on scene, together these. Guys, wow do their
characters hate each other and to the point that it
almost feels like the actors fucking hated each. Other oh,
Yeah oh, yeah they're, like it's really. Good LIKE i, now,
granted you, know knowing WHAT i know about these two,
actors they probably got along, famously but holy, shit they
seem like they want to knock the shit out of

(23:02):
each other every time they're on.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
SCREEN i don't think anyone's Hated Roy scheider this much
Since The, shark do you know WHAT i? Mean, like
and That shark held a credit.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Even the mayor thought he was pretty good.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Speaking oh, dude put a pin in. That remind me
to come back to the fucking mayor From, jaws because
he's gonna come up again in a later discussion about
the rabbit hole THAT i fell down.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
After these, Messages we'll be right.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Back, tuesday six.

Speaker 7 (23:32):
Thirty It's game two of a three game series as
Your Houston astros pit their hot pitching staff against their
parential arch, Rivals But braves In Major League baseball action
live From Holten County stadium In. Atlanta catch all the
actions as you're fired Up astros come battling.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Back it's The astros and The.

Speaker 7 (23:48):
Braves tuesday at six thirty on Twenty.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
VISION i never THOUGHT i would see a film in
Which Chief brody punches the principal from the breakfast club
and drops the line she was a. Virgin you pussy.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Peddler true, story pussy, peddler, guys pussy, pedler.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
New item to add to your LinkedIn. Profile holy fucking,
shit that is. Amazing uh and then did just for,
Funsies just for, Funsies let's Add Richard. Bradford Richard, bradford
who inevitably plays either An irish cop or an authority
figure in A texas coastal town because he's also the
bad guy in The legend Of Billy, jean and he

(24:29):
plays An irish cop in like fourteen other. Movies like
this is a guy that you will recognize. Immediately and
WHAT i love about him is he is on the
verge of a complete rage coma the entire. Movie, like
he's pissed at he's pissed at the, killer he's pissed
at his, men he's pissed at. Himself AND i love.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
It.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
Man he is just like a white hot ball of.
Chaos let's Go Richard. Bradford, yes so the three of,
Them LIKE i literally took a screenshot at one point
of the three of them standing or the four of
them standing next to each. Other i'm, like this is
like the Last supper of character. Actors i'm so happy right.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Now, Yeah. Yeah every time a voice comes in and
you hear somebody off, screen it's another great character actor
and you're, like you see their face before they even
walk into walk into.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
Frame camfanera's trying to protect the runner on that swing
swung on a miss is.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
On one the Cat.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
AND i love the way this movie is structured in
terms of the information it doles out through the. Kills
like the first, kill we just see, this this woman
get her throat. Slit that's all we. Know we don't
see who did, it we don't even see the, weapon
but we just know that this is actually the latest
in a string of serial. Killings and that's When Mike,
seaver the character played By Roy, scheider is put on
the case and finds a shred of paper that says

(25:48):
best of luck in her garter. Belt that's the only
clue he, has right and so and then from that
point it's just. Him there's. Cargo one of the Things
I've i've noticed in watching a lot of baseball related crime,
thrillers which is what happened to me this week is
that there always seems to be a lot of other
stories going. On, like but that being, SAID i feel

(26:10):
like this is like The zodiac of baseball slasher movies
in that we get so deep into the like relationships
and the emotional struggles and the conflicts of every character
who isn't the killer in this. Movie like we get
to See Roy scheider and you, know in his young,
fiance like they're they're. Arguing he's got a really volatile

(26:33):
relationship with the mom who he supposedly also, fucked so
like they're at each other's throats the whole. Time he's
constantly fighting With Kyle. Brossard you, know this guy from
The governor's office is about to come in and fuck things. Up,
like there are so many storylines at work here that
have nothing to do with the guy slashing throats And.
Galveston we're just trucking along through all of. Them so

(26:53):
after the first, Kill mike and his Partner, mendoza they
start to they start to figure out that all of
these kills are happening when The astros win night, games
and then you, know we've got this double murder inside
of a, funhouse, which by the, way we need to
talk about whatever the fuck this carnival. Is that's just

(27:16):
going on all the time In, Galston, LIKE i don't
was that a thing back?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Then oh my, god are you? Kidding, WELL i.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Didn't live here in the, eighties Car you'll, like, yeah,
NO i.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Mean up through up through about the, aughts having the
carnival just come into town and set up for like
three or four, months just sitting somewhere or being along the,
coast especially in tourist locations during tourist, time was so fucking.
Common the rickety ass fucking things like there it would

(27:47):
be an empty. Lot in the next day it would
be a carnival and he'd be, like, oh carnivals back in.
TOWN i want to go risk my life for a
Toller AND i, MEAN i mean that's that, was that
was what it. Is so, yeah that's one of those
things where it's, like, well, yeah of course it's you,
know of Course galveston likely had a permanent or semi

(28:08):
permanent boardwalk going on for you, know go down by the,
beach because otherwise the beaches In galveston fucking. SUCK i,
mean this is not you, know even even the nice
beaches In texas you're going to see oil. Freighters if
you don't smell the smell of burning oil from the
plants along the. Coast it. Was it was not a

(28:33):
pleasant fun place to go to the, beach but you.
Went but having something there like a semi permanent or
permanent carnival was not uncommon In texas in that era at.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
All, well and that's where he Meets roxy as she
is a, carneie like she literally works one of the
games at this. Carnival AND i know Now galveston has
The Pleasure, pier, which by the, way if you want
to to give a, Name.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Wow that sound like it belongs in A giallo.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Movie oh my, god you want to find some pussy,
peddlers you go to The Pleasure peer, right, absolutely a thousand.
Percent but that was just open to.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Link it was the part that fucked me up WHEN
i was a kid In pinocchio.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
A Pleasure, island when you you and your friends all
turned into. Donkeys what the actual, Fuck, disney what the actual?
FUCK i don't need. THAT i don't need that horror
show in my brain when i'm that. Small god damn, It. Disney,
uh but, yeah that's where she's. Working that's where he meets.
Her AND i, know, like LIKE i, said they have
the Pleasure peer, now but that was just built in

(29:34):
like twenty, twelve SO i wasn't sure what had. Survived
because the other thing About, galveston you, know AND i
mean this with with all due, respect that town seems
like it's cursed because it's had no less than three
catastrophic hurricanes in. It like speaking Of Roy scheider's character
being a looney tune in this that weird, soliloquy he
goes on about the nineteen Hundred galveston hurricane and like

(29:58):
about how the even the cemeteries gave up their dead
and there were bodies in the streets and a wall
of water washed away buildings and, people and it's, like what's?
Happening do we need to? Do we need to check
in on Sever we need to check in On.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Seever we need to go to the.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Bullpen sever has lost His he's thrown us, Curveballs he's
lost his ability to. Pitch what the hell's?

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Happening, yeah, Yeah Mike seaver lost his mind a little.
Bit and it just does not tie into the sitcom very.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Well it does not so much like the funny music
is still, playing but that speech is not matching the
tenor of the of the. Music that's All i'm gonna.
Say so he's making reference to that. One while they
were filming this, movie they had to evacuate because Of Hurricane,
gilbert and then a lot of the places where they
shot this, movie including The Balinese, room which is the

(30:49):
bar the dance club that is like the finale of the,
movie were destroyed By Hurricane ike in two thousand and. Eight, so,
like this is a town that is no stranger to
a vengeful higher power seemingly trying to wipe it off
of the. Map so it's kind of perfect to set
a story as frightening as this in this town because

(31:11):
the whole town feels like at any point it could
just be washed.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Away, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Absolutely but by the, way by the, WAY i just
have to share this getting back to a segment we
used to do it a long time ago Called you've
GOT IMDb Kidding. Me the the trivia sharer for this
movie was, very very distraught over the loss of not
only The Balinese club but also The hooters In. Galveston

(31:39):
he goes into a long explanation of how The hooters
In galveston was destroyed By Hurricane, ike but then goes
so far as to assure, us gentle, reader that a
New hooters has opened In galveston as of twenty, seventeen
and even gives the. Address it's, like, BRO i think we're,
fine but thank.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
You just the, say, okay all, right guy who watches
movie about beautiful women getting, killed that's give us the
address to The. Hooters, yes this all of this.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Tracks and please also give us your address So i'd
never go there because this is this guy is like
really upset that The Gallas.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
Hooters, ryan you want to go To hooters in? Me come, On,
ryan let's Good. Hooters and look at the. Ladies they
have really good. Wings it's not just about the. BOOBS i.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Promise it's mostly about the. Boobs, No i'm not talking
about the Old hooters And. Galviston i'm talking about the
new one that open twenty. Seventeen do you want the
address BECAUSE i. Haven't the old.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
One it is, gone and we're very sad about. It
we're very.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Sad we're very.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Sad it's basically the worst thing that's ever happened To.
Galveston it's like dude read a. BOOK i don't THINK
i don't think that's correct at. All it was just
one of the, weirdest most insistently. Pervy it's some Trivia
i've ever read on THE, IMDb so kudos for. That

(33:04):
by the, way this double murder in The, funhouse they
keep referring to it as a haunted, house like the
one girl doesn't want to go in because it's too.
Scary i'm, like it's not a haunted. House it's a fun.
House it's mirrors and, corridors and there's nothing scary about it.
Whatsoever but then when the murder happens with all those
mirrors and, stuff, again getting a lot of Like giallo
vibes from, this AND i really liked. That but this

(33:24):
is where we first see the. Killer we don't know
who he is, yet but we've seen his, face so
immediately we're, like, WELL i guess this is not gonna
be an unmasking type Of, jallo but it's gonna be
the type Of jallo where we hear about this person's.
Trauma because that's the other big thing About jallo is
the killers always have something that happened to, them usually
when they were, young that made them, snap AND i

(33:48):
was anticipating. THAT i guess WHAT i wasn't anticipating is
that the trauma of the killer was basically the same
as the first drummer from Def. LEPPARD i did not
anticipate that that would be the thing that set him
on the path to. Murder but this movie will surprise
you every. Time you got to give it credit for.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
That oh, yeah this movie that IF i sat you
down beforehand and told you the basics of the, movie
you would not figure out what the killer's motivation is
because you cannot.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
IF i set you down and told you. That there
is a red herring storyline that they try to establish
after they've already shown us who the killer, is, which,
again bold, Move, Cotton let's see how that works out for.
Them where it's like Like Roy scheider has a friend
of his father's that he kind of takes care of
who seems to be like mentally not all, there who

(34:39):
gets accused of doing the, killings and it's like this
storyline only exists in this movie to make the audience
think that maybe it's. Him the problem is that we
don't establish this until after we've seen the face of
the actual.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Killer, now because again going back to what this movie
is really about at its, core is it's really about
all of these shitty cops In texas and just how
kind of shitty the old good old boy network. Is
because we've got one character who is a criminal and a,
cop and we've got another character whose dad was clearly

(35:12):
a criminal and now he's a, cop and there's people acting, like,
well you, know the apple doesn't fall far from the.
Tree but he's our protagonist and we know he's not
into anything shady, supposedly but he is covering up for
someone in some, way shape or form who could be in.
Trouble and so it casts doubt and. Aspersion but also

(35:37):
it doesn't do it in a way that really misdirects.
Us it just kind of shows us, that, oh oh, yeah,
no the. Movie the movie is trying to tell a
different story than the director's telling and there's two very
different movies going, on and so you can pay attention
to what the movie thinks you think is going, on
and that's not what's actually going.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
On it's playing mind games with, us and some of
them are completely Uninto BUT i still appreciate that about the.
MOVIE i want to you mentioned the. Director let me
just mention really, Quickly Peter, masterson who directed, THIS i
was actually born In, houston AND i think his biggest
claim to. Fame he did direct some other, movies BUT
i think his biggest claim to fame is that he
co wrote the books for the Musical Best Little woarhouse In, texas, which,

(36:20):
again once you know, that the fact that he's From
houston makes total sense because that is a very very
Fucking texas movie and, musical AND i really appreciate. That
originally they were going to set the movie In San,
francisco and then it was it was, masters and it's,
like you, know it'd be really, cool is if we
just move this To, houston and it not only because

(36:44):
that's that's like an area he. Knows, again move it
To houston means moved To, galveston but set the movie
like at least partially In houston and make it around
The astros instead of The. Giants it It it's funny
because it's not the first time that this decision has.
Occurred and this is kind of WHERE i started going
into a rabbit hole BECAUSE i decided to watch other

(37:07):
baseball related horror and or thriller, films because the only
other ONE i knew immediately off the top of my
head Was The, fan which, is of course The Tony
scott movie With robert De niro And Wesley, snipes which
has its own sort of not a good movie but
a great movie charm to, it for. Sure BUT i
was just interested if there were like deeper. Cuts and

(37:28):
while on the discord with the, patrons we came across
one from nineteen ninety, eight AND i put that in
quotation marks because if this movie didn't sit on a
shelf for fifteen, Years i'll eat my. Hat it was
Called The catcher and it was basically about a young
baseball player who's, overbearing abusive father played By Joe, estevez
who is in fact the biggest star in the. Movie

(37:48):
and here's a little tidbit for. You if the biggest
star in your movie is the fifth most talented member
of The estevez, family probably not a great, movie, Right
but it was just socious because the opening of the
film is.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
The there just in the.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Street, no the part that's really gonna bake your brain
is you're gonna think of three of them and be.

Speaker 6 (38:10):
Like who's the?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Fourth, wait if he's the. Fifth, best who's the? Fourth
Like martin and And charlie and And, emilio who's the?
Fourth who's the? Fourth? Brian, look just don't worry about.
It there's probably a brother or somebody who is in
a school play that does better Than Joe. Stevez the
point being that at the beginning of the, Movie joeestevez
is beaten to death by his like nine year old,
son so they go full Like halloween with this opening kill,

(38:33):
right and then for the rest of the, movie whoever
that kid, is whoever he grew up to, be is
stalking and killing members of like a a minor league
baseball team while he's dressed as the. Catch it is
one of the most, bonkers ridiculous slasher Movies i've ever.
Seen but then that led me to a made FOR
tv movie from nineteen seventy six Called murder at The

(38:54):
World series that also takes place at The astrodome and
Also sinners around The, astros but one of its main
stars is the guy who played the mayor In. Jaws
so just felt like complete circle closed by doing, This
AND i don't know WHY i kept tumbling down this
rabbit hole and watching like progressively worse. Movies but it

(39:17):
gave me the sense that if you're going to make
a thriller or a slasher film about our professional baseball,
team it might as well be The, astros because it
apparently is a very popular place to.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Start after these, messages we'll be right, back.

Speaker 4 (39:33):
Gets a, Student Burger king and The astros team up
to bring you big.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
Money.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
Shaver hustle into Burger king for Official astros gear at
a hot price like this cap.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
And this risk.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Band send for.

Speaker 7 (39:45):
This ayazad shirt a thirty dollars value now just nine
to ninety.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
Nine stave on tickets For Burger King night with this
discount Chupon It's jillian.

Speaker 4 (39:52):
Stuck in The cubs An astros. Game come To Burger
king just by your favorite. Sign what's the gut your
coupon at all the, details don't get sh.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
To take a moment About Peter. Masterson not a guy
known as a. Director he directed a number of, things
but he was best known as an actor and was
in some seminal fucking movies like huge fucking, Movies The,
Exorcist Stepper, wives in The heat of The. Night you
know you may have heard Of, Yeah, Yeah, YEAH i

(40:24):
did some HUGE tv shows that were big at the,
time you, know but then you, know caught the act
the directing bug towards the end of his acting career
and and directed a number of. Things, interestingly there's a
moment in the movie where the, roxy the the girlfriend,

(40:47):
fiance is going to a movie and trying to Talk
Roy scheider into a joining her and, SAYS i heard
it's three and a half. Stars you, know the news
really liked. It you should come see. It and he's, like,
NO i got to go be a. Cop and then
as he's driving, off we see the title of the
two movies that are, playing and one of them Is
Full moon And Blue, water directed by none other Than Peter,

(41:07):
masterson and the other Is, kansas which is written by
one of the, Screenwriters Anthony. Palmer so the two movies
mentioned in the movie were the previous movies just put
out by one of the screenwriters and the.

Speaker 1 (41:21):
Director by the, way That Full moon In Blue water
Is Gene hackman playing the proprietor of a Shitty texas
coastal bar whose wife. Disappears SO i feel like it
might make for a decent double feature with this.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Movie it might the guy seems Very.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Texas also that theater is The Broadway theater In. Galveston and,
AGAIN i don't know if the researchers On IMDb for
this movie were completely insane or if they just might
work for, me.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But where they might be somebody who posts trivia On IMDb.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Or somebody who literally does research for junk food, cinema
because They the last bit of trivia about this theater
and a stating what you were saying about the two
movies on the marquee is that the theater itself was
closed down in nineteen ninety eight and raised where a
sonic restaurant was built on the former. Site it keeps
letting us know where these like dirtbag restaurants are In,
galveston and it's, Like I'm i'm confused as to Whether

(42:16):
i'm Reading IMDb trivia Or yelp. REVIEWS i don't know
what the fuck is going, on BUT i kind of love.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
It if you want to see the movie theater that
once reportedly Showed Full moon In Blue, water it's A sonic.
Now it's A sonic. Now and that's Your IMDb trivia
for the.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
Day oh my, god all the best restaurants In. Galveston
don't you worry about?

Speaker 5 (42:39):
It?

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Yeah so this IS i you, know the film is
so interesting because it is it really is one of
those movies that you can feel was directed by an
actor because there's all these scenes that are just character
bits that aren't essential for this storytelling at. All like
there's a there's a whole lot of uh subplot here

(43:05):
for that that will not will not prove to be red,
herrings won't evolve the story in any, way but that
they just found. Interesting AND i love stuff like.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
That you, mean like the scene in the bridle shop like, That, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Exactly the scene the bridle shops exactly WHAT i was
thinking of everything about buying that dress and about how
Pissed mom is about the television and that it doesn't
Get channel. Eight it's really, like it's, like, why why
is any of this? HERE i THOUGHT i was watching
a movie about a killer with a hook for a,
Hand like none of, this none of this. Matters and

(43:42):
Yet i'm riveted because of the acting that's going on
in that scene because you can tell, that you, Know
shier is very invested in. This schier is not fucking
phoning it, in and you're getting the same shier as
you get In jaws with added shoe. Leather and it's.
Such it's so it all works in its own, way

(44:04):
that in a way that it is not tightly, constructed
it is not tightly. Plotted it cannot be accused of
being a super smart. Thriller it, can, however be accused
of being interesting every moment along the way. Regardless and,
uh and it's and when we finally start, watching all

(44:25):
the pieces fall in in the third act as we
find out who the villain is and, why it's, like, oh, oh,
well that's actually more interesting THAN i thought it would.
Be and and that seems to be the theme of this.
Movie it's more interesting than you thought it would.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Be, well and that's the thing, too IS i feel
like as if you've never seen this. Movie first of,
all the poster is. Badass oh my.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
God oh that's what hooks.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Me, literally it's it's a it's a it's a hooked
hand through a. Baseball which, again this, movie and it's
this movie and its marketing team don't understand what a
reveal really, is because that's actually one of the reveals
is what the weapon, is and that we have to
go through the shoe, leather and as Car gill, mentioned

(45:13):
really focusing on how bad the police work in this
town is that it takes all of the cops and
all of the detectives sitting in The GEORGE. C Scott
theater From hardcore and looking at crime scene photos before
they figure, out oh, wait it's not a, knife it's
a hook that's being. USED i Think Roy schotter's, like
could it be a? Hook and the rest of them are.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Like, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
No and then there's this running gag about this rookie
cop from, UH i can't remember. Where they say he's
From bernie or somewhere In texas who just keeps like
throwing up and just getting sick at every every single crime,
scene every crime. Photo he just cannot fucking take. It
And Roy schatter is just taking the piss out of
him the whole, time.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
At least From. Bernie what are you gonna?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
Do, yeah something like, That and then he's the one
that gets the full brunt of the nineteen Hundred Galveston hurricane,
soliloquy and he's just sitting there whole, time like do
you need me to do? Something or what is this speech?
About like he has no idea why he's hearing, this
and neither does the, audience and that's. Great, like, yes
when they finally determine that it's a, hook the poster

(46:14):
kind of gives that, away whereas the movie wants you
to kind of be revealed of that. Slowly but all
of these, things despite how silly a lot of the things,
are despite how much shoeleather there, is this movie works
specifically because it adheres To giallo, prototypes and the kills
are really, interesting and some of the shots during the

(46:36):
pursuit moments are really legitimately cool and the way that they.
Like the killer will drive up in a car with
his lights off and then he'll switch and he's driving
on the, beach, which by the, way if you've been
to a Fucking Gulf coast, beach you know that you'll
just be walking along to the place to put your
towel down and have to look both ways like you're
crossing a highway because people just drive their goddamn trucks
on the. Beach it's.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Incredible by the, way welcome To, texas.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well them To. TEXAS i don't care if you're on the,
Beach get the fuck out of the Way i'm driving.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Here by the, way sidebar for those of you out, There,
Bernie texas real place and know you can't spell it
on your first try unless you've been.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Here that is the case for a lot Of texas,
towns a lot Of texas, streets because there is a
deliberate manner in which a lot of things are pronounced In.
Texas and by That i'm In it doesn't make any fucking,
Sense but that's how you say. It that's just that
is how. Manchac by the, way it's. Manchack it's. Manchack
don't worry about, it don't even don't even question. It
it's just. Manchack. Uh but by the, way the hook

(47:38):
thing is funny, too because it makes me wish that
they had set this movie In corpus instead Of, galveston
because years later The astros would have a minor league
team In CORPUS christi called The Corpus Christy. Hooks if
they ever remake a Night, game they should set it
In corpus and make it about the minor league, team
The Corpus Christy. Hooks that is my.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
PITCH i, mean that's a little on the.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Nose Oh i'm, sorry and this movie is just brimming with.
Subtlety my, bad.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
This movie has no. Subtlety whoops the, daisy this movie
has no. Chill now there's just.

Speaker 7 (48:15):
Rights on campaneras dripping into the.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Wine Up here comes a.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Pitch i'm, ringing mall just outside and the man's thought
they had camp be on that, one trying to help the,
umpire but he wouldn't go up with the right.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
Arm it's one ball on two.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
STRIKES i really do think that what works about this
movie is the cat and mouse. Thing it is the
way that the kills, work and it is the one
of the other great things about a lot of slasher
movies is you get to that moment where there's a missing, piece,
right we're investigating me a cop who's like on the
trail of the. Killer he's trying to figure it, out

(48:46):
and there's that last missing, piece AND i love. It it's
one of my cinematic catnips when the missing piece is
just machine gunned out of the mouth of an exposition
dump a character who literally only exists to be, like,
OH i remember that that was the day when and
just dumps out the whole fucking plot.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
And that and that they get a sports writer to do. It,
yeah it's called night.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Game working on his night, game and he.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Just my my favorite thing about this movie is, that
regardless of the fact that one all the way through
the movie the cops are supposed to be the good,
guys the good, guys they're all super shitty at their,
job and they're also still shitty, people, Right, like there

(49:33):
is a moment where they've got the they've got the.
Killer they figured out who it, is and they go
to his place and they swarm the door and they
got like twenty cops and the cop leans in and, goes,
hey we got a, warrant beer, arrest just letting you, Know,
okay he's not answering on the, door like in such

(49:55):
a shitty cop, manner, like, hey we're we're observing the
letter of the, law but definitely not the.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Spirit, Look i've heard of a no knock. Warrant i've
never heard of A Marcel marceau fucking. Warrant like technically
they can say that they did announce. Themselves it.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
DID i, mean that's the thing is it's so Fucking
texas and it's, like oh my, God oh there's like
he at this at the time that he's letting the
cops be the heroes of the, movie he's also not
letting cops off the. Hook this is so antithetical to
what we see, today but is you, know goes back
to several of the other movies that we've talked about,
recently from nineteen eighty nine and nineteen ninety where there

(50:33):
was all of a, sudden this big major pushback against.
Copaganda and this is one of those movies that's, like
we'll make Your giello, film but we'll make it to
the point that we stick to The giallo rule that
the cops are mostly fucking. WORTHLESS i don't.

Speaker 1 (50:48):
Know one of the THINGS i GUESS i like About
Roy scheider is as many cops as he's. Played the
only MOVIE i could immediately think of that would we
Certified copaganda that he's been in is Like Blue thunder
every other.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Copies, No, no that movie's about how bad the cops. Are,
remember that's all about cops fascist and he's got to
fight the. Cops, no he that's not copaganda.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Either, no you're, Right, no, no you're. Right so he
is sort of the anti copaganda cop character in every
movie that's.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Crazy, YEAH i had never really put that, together but,
yeah it's. Uh he he does not make movies where cops,
are you, know universally the good. Guy, No i'm thinking about.
IT i would argue That jaws is as close as
he gets to, copaganda.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
And that movie is about a cop who hated being
In New york so much that he moved out to
a fucking. Island despite the fact that he's afraid of the. Water,
yeah so it's like almost like an abdication of duty
type of. Character But i'm like thinking about Like French
connection And The Seven ups and like all of these
movies where he's played, cops and none of them are
Like Golden. Boys none of them are, Like, hey this

(51:51):
is this is the the blue we should back you
know WHAT i. Mean, like it's just not that's not his.
Bag AND i kind of appreciate that about. HIM i
also appreciate.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
That if he happen to preciates about, him that's.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
That's WHAT i appreciates about. Him BUT i also appreciates
the fact that if you have thirty dollars less than
your budget and can't Afford Roy, schier you Get John.
Saxon do you know WHAT i, mean, like that's that's
how casting.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Works, yeah But saxon's. Awesome i'm not saying is not.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Awesome i'm saying he costs thirty dollars less Than Roy.
Schiner that's What i'm. Saying All, right that's WHAT i
appreciates about. Him All. RIGHT i love, That, hey we're coming.
IN i just wanted to let know it's even quieter than.
That it's, hey we're coming, in just so you, know
it's almost as bad as On Miami. Vice so what
they would kick the door in and start shooting as

(52:38):
they were, saying Freeze Miami.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Vice, yes that's exactly what this. Is. Like it's like
and the way the way he's always kind of pulling
cops aside and explaining their jobs to. Them, Yes and you,
know the why AM i seeing all these fucking footprints
around my crime? Scene it's my crime scene? Too can
you do it without leaving the? Footprints like he's using

(53:00):
down everybody for their, incompetence and everybody's kind of owning their.
Incompetence like it's it's just a fucking clown show and
he's like stuck in. It AND i love that about this,
Movie like you feel a guy who's genuinely trying to
do his job and as good as his, job but
does not have the tools he needs because he's stuck
in the old good old boy.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Network the incompetence of this police force feeds in directly
to my junk food. Pairing so put a big fucking
pin in. THAT i can't wait to, now because we've
laid this, groundwork we've set the table for that. MEAL
i can't wait to get to. That but before we get,
there we have to mention that because this is a
movie shot in eighty, eight released in eighty, nine there
is so much sexy.

Speaker 6 (53:41):
Saxophone oh there's sexy.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Sacks this movie opens up with sexy.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Sacks this, movie because it's shot in nineteen eighty, eight
sexy sacks was a moral. Imperative Like i'm pretty sure
the Incoming George bush was like raid mile aps sex a,
saxophone and they just started doing. It they just started
putting it in, everything and, it's, uh this movie wants

(54:16):
you to fuck. It that's just that's that's what it.
Is and it's gonna be difficult because it has a
hook for a, hand but you're gonna figure it.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Out that is.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Right you're just.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Gonna figure you're gonna have to hook the?

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Bean is that the sequel To freebie and The bean
that we didn't talk? About? Sure Good, god, man Good.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
God after these, messages we'll be right back to.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Speed i'm a base fan power at the plate game
saying dfense strike after strike after a. Strike The Western
division Champion Houston astros began another action packed Season april.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Six do miss the.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Excitement season ticket packages got as well as four hundred
and five. Dollars business packed advantages still. Apply Fraught astro
season ticket, service who's at Seven Astros lightning heal the.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Charge so we get to the end of this, movie
and LIKE i, said we've gotten this this character who's
a sports writer who basically opens his mouth and vomits
up the entire plot as if it's an unassembled jigsaw,
puzzle just all over the. Table and that's when they
figure out that the killer is this former picture of

(55:29):
The astros who when they Brought so the other thing
they start to realize is not only is the killer
killing women on night game victories for The, astros but
specifically when this one picture gets a win during a
night game and that's when they figure, out, oh wait a,
minute it's it's this. One it's this this former picture

(55:50):
Who barreto, is the picture that keeps winning games night.
Games and then there's there'd be a. Murder and apparently
When barretto was brought up to The, astros they sent
down another, picture and that picture on the way back
to his hometown after being basically, cut the buss he's
on crashes and he loses his pitching hand in the. Accident,
now this killer is played By Rex. Lynn if you

(56:13):
thought we were done with the character Actor, buffet you
are dead fucking, wrong Because Rex lynn is another endlessly
recognizable character. Actor he was in movies Like Rush, Hour, Cliffhanger,
Breakdown Drop. ZONE i could go on and on and
on and on and, on like he's just he's one
of those guys that you, know AND i love that
he plays this character once you finally like see him

(56:34):
in full who does not give a fuck if anyone
knows that he's up to no. Good like speaking of zero,
CHILL i love killers who have zero. Chill and this,
dude like with the scullet he's got going on and
the hook for a hand and he's just got this
angry expression on his. Face he has zero chill.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Anything i'm not gonna be able to get away with
this at any other time in. History so let me
just cut in and, say do you mean Rex linn
From Young?

Speaker 1 (57:00):
SHELDON i don't understand what makes you think you're gonna
get away with?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
That?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Now? Uh that's that's that's a no fly. Zone, no, no,
no you know what you got her? Hair you're god
get back to the, Showers. Cargill you've just been tossed
from this. Episode god damn. It Young sheldon References margo
in this.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Economy, REALLY i, mean, look you, know.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
No please please Defend Young. Sheldon, no, NO i will
sit right here in my chair and listen to you
Defend Young. SHELDON i am.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Waiting did you miss the whole Wallash sean From Young? Sheldon?

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Thing, Okay i've missed all Of Young.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
Sheldon, yeah, yeah, yeah you missed. IT i wouldn't SAY
i missed, it but somebody. Was somebody was canvassing With
Mom donn From Mom, donnie and someone in their canvassing
group was was an actor From Young, sheldon and they
she took a picture with him and it Was Wallace
shad and the Whole internet lost its mind and she
trolled everybody back saying, okay, OKAY i get, it sorry old.

(58:00):
PEOPLE i forgot to mention he was also in, clueless
and she just nihilated everyone who was, like That's Wallace.
Shawn do you know what he's been. In it's Like she's, like,
Yeah Young, sheldon and so you were like Rex. LINN
i was, like, oh rexlin From Young.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
SHELDON i don't use the phrase how dare you nearly
enough AS i? Should is What i'm learning from recording
this episode with you and welcome back to the, Show.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Cargo, um yes to be.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Back Rex lynn From Young sheldon apparently is the killer
in this, movie AND i love the. Sequence so by
the end of the, movie once he's figured this, out
once the cops go to this guy's house and completely
miss him with Their Marcel marceau warrant that they, serve
we find out that he's at the bar That, roxy
who of course Is Roy scheider's young, fiance, frequents especially
when she's pissed At Roy. Scheider she just goes there

(58:47):
and dances with. Men apparently that's how she works her
shit out and, uh he sees, her and because he's
just got, THIS i think they kind of make the
connection that because the pitcher he was kind of tossed
over for got married at the church In galveston is
why he's stalking blonde women In. Galveston it's like the
CONNECTION i think that they. Make so he sees her

(59:07):
and immediately he starts chasing. Her and there's some really
great camera work in this last, Pursuit like there's a
shot from above the back door onto this sort of
boardwalk Where roxy comes out, first and then he comes
out following her like there's some and then and then
just just, god damn, It cargil just to go back.
AGAIN i wish you hadn't said the thing about The
anette police work in this, movie because it is really

(59:29):
starting to fuck with my head how bad a Detective
Mike siever really. Is when he gets out, there he's
got the gun. Drawn i'm, like, hey, hey, Hey and
of course you Know Floyd epps is the name of
the Character Rex lynn, plays and he's got he's Got
roxy like literally like by the, throat and he's about
to kill. Her he's, like hold, on hold, on hold,
on hold, hey, Hey, Hey Frank, EPPS i know. You
and he's, like my name Is, floyd get it?

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Right yeah it Was Lloyd. Epps and it's, like my
name Is, floyd Not.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Lloyd and this is him trying to like hostage, negotiate
get on the same, level save his.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Fiance he can't even remember this guy's fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
Name established some common ground by calling him the wrong fucking.
Name way to, Go Detective mike's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Seed, also, also here's here's the the other thing that
that actually frustrated me with that. Moment this guy is
supposedly supposedly obsessed with, sports, yeah and doesn't remember one
of the pictures from his own.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Team one are the pictures who could Forget Lloyd apps
from Young? Sheldon like we all know. This come, On,
Mike Jesus, christ uh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
That you that just done on?

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Right like he's got some. Ship he's. Not he's the,
sharpest too old in the. Shed none of these cops.
Are AND i love how every time they're all in
a room being cops, together you just see what good
old boy dumb shits most of them. Are like it,
really it really is a hallmark of this, movie and
it is something that is very important in. Giallo that

(01:01:09):
was something That Joe bob was talking about quite a
bit last week on last week's, episode which Was battles
for The Black, gloves where he did back to back
giallo arguing over which which film actually kicked off The giallo.
Craze but inept police work is a big part of,
giallo and so this might be the Most American giallo

(01:01:30):
Movie i've ever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Seen and you, know you have movies Like Last house
on The, left which arguably is more influenced By Ingmar
bergman than it Is jalla, films but it has Some
fellow influence for. Sure but that movie goes so far
as to insert like cartoon sound effects whenever the, cops
like it's an episode of Fucking Barney. Fife, LIKE i
don't know what the fuck. IS i hate that movie so.

(01:01:51):
Much but the point, IS.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
I don't hate THAT i like that. MOVIE i hate
every second with the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Cops, yes, absolutely on thousand. Percent but, yeah this turns
into a fight on the, pier and of Course Detective
mike sever because he's young and, virile Question mark is
able to Overpower Lloyd epps and get that shot that
sends him spiraling into the water and WHAT i love
about this movie just to drive home the fact that

(01:02:18):
this is in fact and a baseball thriller and that
it is centered around The Houston. Astros it ends With
mike And roxy getting married In galveston and then immediately
going To houston to attend a night game of The.
Astros and there's Still she's still in her wedding, Dress
he's still in his, tuxedo And, barretto the, pitcher literally

(01:02:40):
gets off the, mound is getting yelled at by the
umpires like where are you going and comes over to
like thank, him and the crowd gives him a standing
Ovation like that had to be like look.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
And then everybody. APPLAUDED i get.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
It but at the same, time like that had to
be so fucking cool to be in The. Astrodome one
of the great, AGAIN i still think one of the
greatest sports stadiums of all. Time like it really is a,
marvel a marvel of fucking, architecture and it, was you,
know it pioneered a lot of modern. STADIUMS i love
that fucking. Thing and, YEAH i love, it like getting

(01:03:12):
to shoot there and getting to use Real astros players
and some of the like b roll footage that they put,
together like it's just it's so cool if you're An astros,
fan if you're a baseball, fan like and you're a Horror.
Again that's WHAT i said that this is two flavors
THAT i like that are forced, together like smashed into each.
Other but that's why it works for. Me it's BECAUSE
i love both things that this movie tries to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Be, yeah. SAME i, Mean i've seen several games at The. Astronome,
HELL i almost WANT i almost saw a no hitter
There Ryan, No, no it. WAS i forget who the picture,
was but he came one pitch away from from a no.
Hitter Oh, no and it, was and everyone was on

(01:03:52):
their feet like it. Was it was in The they
kept him in to to try to pull it off
and got a hit off him in the ninth inning
and you could feel the energy to. Flight they still
won the, game which is, great but getting that, close
getting one pitch away from a no hitter was pretty.

(01:04:15):
HEARTBREAKING i would.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Like to just take a quick sidebar here and talk
about where The astros were in nineteen eighty, eight their
nineteen eighty eight. System at the, time they were in
The National League west and they're now in The American League.
West they're playing their twenty fourth season in The, astrodome
which was completed in the. Sixties Nolan ryan once again

(01:04:38):
led the league in strikeouts in his last season as An.
Astro so it's the real end of an. Era in
the nineteen eighty eight, season the right, Express, yeah, absolutely
but it was first Baseman Glenn davis who won the
TEAM mvp that. Year he hit thirty home runs and
he actually hits a home run in this movie as
part of THE b role that they. Shot and this
was also the major league debut season Of Craig, bigio

(01:05:02):
who is not only An astros, legend but is currently
in The Baseball hall Of fame as of twenty. Fifteen
and he was actually catching For Nolan ryan On july
ninth When ryan got his one hundredth win as An.
Astro and among their managing, staff their bench coach that,
Year yogi fucking Bearra Yogi barro was their goddamn bench
coach that. Year like, that just that blew my, mind

(01:05:24):
maybe more than anything. Else But i'd also like to
read a short excerpt from The july nineteen eighty Nine
astros program that was promoting this. Movie the first bit
of it goes like, This Glenn davis has proven repeatedly
that he is a flair for the dramatic with his
consistent game winning. RBIs one might say he almost performs
ON q and In august he will prove it, again

(01:05:45):
not only to The astros, fans but Across america when
he builds a homer in the upcoming Movie Night. GAME
i love how they tried to sell it as If
Glenn davis was the star of the Movie Night. Game
that's my favorite part of.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
That it also feels, like how are we supposed to
promote this?

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Movie this is how they do. It Night game was
the first movie in.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
Years this is how they do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And Night game was the first movie in years to
be filmed in The, astrodome Joining brewster, McLeod a peculiar
nineteen seventy One Robert altman.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
Film that's saying something.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
They really don't. Like Robert altman And houston evidently largely
shot in the.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Scene have you Seen brewster, McLeod.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
That's actually one of The ALTMANS i haven't.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Seen, yeah, yeah so you don't know that there's a
part where somebody like flaps off and drops a giant
bird shit on a bird. Statue, sure, no that sounds.
Peculiar i'll just say that it's a peculiar. Movie it's a,
peculiar fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Myth The Bad News bears In Breaking training And murder
at The World series ON ABC tv actually gets a name, dropped,
which by the, way is WHERE i got the opening
for this. Episode it was AN abc movie of The
week that featured The astros in a world series before
they even want a division. Championship the thing that this
doesn't mention is That murder at The World series also
features a guy who gets mad about not getting a

(01:07:00):
a contract with The, astros so he blows up a
woman in a, Van but he doesn't mean to blow her.
Up he puts the dynamite in the van with her
to go collect the ransom that he's asked, for and
then his van gets. Towed it's a real, like, oh
that's a boner on my. Part she's. Dead it's one
of the most bizarre fucking thrillers ever put ON. Abctv

(01:07:20):
it may even be more peculiar than nineteen seventy One
Robert Altman's Bruceter, McLoud I Need.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
You to Watch Bruce McLoud, now so he can call
me up and, go that's not, peculiar that's what the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Fuck you know. WHAT i will do that as soon
as we get done. Recording but that's just a little
snapshot of where The astros were in nineteen eighty. Eight
and Cargiol i love that you stumbled across this. MOVIE
i had kind of forgotten THAT i had seen. It
LIKE i knew about the HOOK i remember the hook hand.
GUY i didn't remember how great the cast, was AND
i didn't remember how effective the kills were and how

(01:07:52):
it works really well as that sort of murder, mystery
kind Of american. Ghallo and when you couple that with,
baseball and you couple that with the fact that it's
one of my favorite baseball. TEAMS i am still A
Boston Red sox fan at. Art i'm married into An astros,
Family so you, know being a fan of The astros
is the sexually transmitted disease, evidently, uh BUT i very
much root for, them and so having you, know them

(01:08:13):
being the focus of this movie made it that much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Sweeter want into.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
Account here's the, Wine here comes a pitch swung on.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
Him this strike three got him with an off speed
pitch And campanera's goes down swaying too, away.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
And that brings us to the junk food pairing and
cargill owing to the incomplete incompetence of the good old
boy cop. System for my junk food, Pairing i'm going
with spicy kiel bossa.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
PIZZA i, mean how do you? Not that was WHAT
i was going, With and don't forget the halopenia.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Is don't forget the. Halopenos at one point in this,
movie one Of scheider's fellow, detectives a shit you not
has a pizza delivered to a murder. Scene now putting it.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Again we are, not we are not over selling the
incompetent cop. Thing it's really they're the whole fucking movie it.
Is it is more of a b subplot than the
the marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Relationship but putting aside momentarily how incredibly improper this may,
be the pizza in question is one THAT i had
never heard of, before cool a kill bossa and jalapeno.
Pie Kill bossa is a very specific type of, sausage,
right and normally when you order sausage from your your
local pizza, joint you're getting An italian. Sausage. Right very

(01:09:28):
rarely HAVE i ever even encountered a pizza place that
will put Kill bossa on a, pizza and this guy
has it with Kill bossa and, jalapenos though he does
mention the pizzeria evidently omitted the request to. Jalapenos but
the pizza ordering to the crime scene was. Funny and
the more we talk about the competence of the police
and that it lends itself so naturally to that That i'm,

(01:09:51):
LIKE i want to watch this movie again with a
Kill bossa And halopeno.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Pie same. SAME i have no argument. There the thing
to know about this to talk to junk. History So
texas cuisine is interesting because we are truly a melting
pot in terms of our. Foods we have a particular
series of foods that all feel that Define, texas but

(01:10:17):
when you look at, them they're all an amalgam of several.
Things we are a border state that borders On, mexico
so we Have Northern mexico as a big influence in text.
Mechs we, have you, know The midwestern food and the
fried food that came in with especially a lot of
the Black southern. Traditions and then we have all The
germans And polish that moved into the middle Of. Texas

(01:10:39):
and we have a, big a mid sized city in
Central texas Called, fredericksburg which is a now more of
a tourist city than anything. Else but they have a
lot of wineries and they make a lot of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Sausage you want to take your engagement, photos you go To.
Fredericksburg you go To.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Fredericksburg beautiful. Place love Fred. Ricksburg. Me we were just
out there for my birthday with some friends just a
few months ago and love. It but, man is their
sausage great And texas Kill basa ain't nothing to fuck.
With it is, good good fucking. Sausage AND i say
this as A Polish. AMERICAN i do love My texas Kill.

(01:11:20):
Basa and the minute he's like a Kill basa, Pizza i'm, like,
oh put it in my face right now with, halapenas
and he, goes you forgot the halapenios And i'm, like
oh my, god they have ruined.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
It and by the, WAY i did look into. IT
i could not find a pizza place currently In galveston
that has Kill basa as a topping.

Speaker 2 (01:11:39):
Selection it's really fallen out of. Favor you can still
Find polish sausage regularly in the, stores especially all Across.
Texas you probably have it in whatever grocery store you go.
To it, like, yeah we have kill. Bassa but you
found it more often in. Restaurants in, Fact i've only
found one place in the, world The Coffee pot In, Sedona,

(01:12:05):
arizona that is just an amazing greasy spoon. Diner you
would fucking love, It. Brian they give you a newspaper
for a menu and it has their one hundred omelets in,
it and they serve kill bossa as a side or
mixed in with your omelets or on top of. Foods
and that's the only Place i've found that is just
like openly, like, yeah how do you want your kill.

(01:12:28):
Bossa so it's not something you would find, today but
it's something That i'm going to make at home because
just hearing, THAT i was, like, oh, OH i have
had that and that's the best AND i haven't thought
about that in, Years AND i am absolutely gonna slice
that kill basa thin and put it on with some,
holopanios maybe do some green. Peppers as many of the

(01:12:48):
recipes out there. Online suggest was not A pepper fan
WHEN i was. Younger NOW i am, so but, YES
i absolutely will fuck with some of that Killed basa.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
PIZZA i don't think i've had LIKE I WHEN i
was growing. Up my great grandmother was Half, polish Half
French canadian and whenever she would cook for the, holiday
she would make Kill bassa AND i loved. It but
as we're talking about it right, NOW i don't know
That i've had Kill bossa since she passed. Away but
that's why that memory is still in my. Head when
he said kill boss on a, PIZZA i was, Like
i've never heard of that, before never seen a place

(01:13:19):
that offers that as a, selection but now desperately want
to try.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
That oh my survival struggle. Meal back WHEN i was
flat fucking, broke my feast was half a Kill basa
link and macaroni and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
Cheese hell.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
Yeah and to this, day Whenever i'm Like i'm feeling
LIKE i need some soul, FOOD i make myself a
box of mac and cheese and a linka Kill.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Basa that sounds, awesome as was the Movie Night. GAME
i hope you all track it, down and it's currently
streaming for, FREE i think on two b but also
On Amazon prime if you. Subscribe and, yeah thank you
so much for joining us for this night. Game, Cargill
please let people know where they can find you on the.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Interwebs you can find me On bluesky at C Robert
kargill dot bluesky do. Social you can find my latest
movie in, theaters but also on vod if you're not
heading out to the theaters these, days you're, distancing or
you got kids or a new, puppy you can check
Out Black Phone, Too, Aggro. Blacker, oh believe, Me Blackphone

(01:14:17):
Too bigger And blacker was my favorite of the of the.
Titles but, yeah it's it's. Out you can see. It
people like. It it's doing. Well we just crossed one
hundred and twenty million worldwide and so people are really
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