July 31, 2025 • 33 mins
Deborah McNinch joins T.S. Wright on the Kingdom Crossroads podcast to discuss the profound journey of parenting a prodigal child and the power of prayer as a unifying force for parents facing similar struggles. At the heart of their conversation is the genesis of her initiative, Battle Cry, a prayer movement designed to rally parents in their quest to bring their children back to faith. Deborah shares her heart-wrenching experience of receiving the life-altering news that her child identifies as transgender, prompting her to reevaluate her faith and the foundation upon which she had built her family. With a fierce commitment to prayer and community support, she emphasizes the motto “no one fights alone,” inviting parents to join a network of solidarity and hope. As they delve into the complexities of faith, parenting, and the role of the church in these challenging times, listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own spiritual journeys and the importance of standing firm in love and truth.
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A profound exploration of faith and the complexities of parenthood unfolds as Deborah McNinch shares her transformative journey in the Kingdom Crossroads podcast. Following a seismic shift in her life when her child came out as transgender, Deborah reflects on how her idyllic vision of motherhood crumbled, akin to a Malibu Barbie dream house swept away by a tumultuous tsunami. Faced with the stark reality of her child's identity, she grappled with foundational questions of faith, ultimately reaffirming her belief in a God who performs miracles and walks alongside her through life's most challenging storms. As she established the Battle Cry Moms movement, Deborah invites fellow parents to unite in prayer, emphasizing that 'no one fights alone.' Her candid storytelling resonates with those who feel isolated in their struggles, fostering a sense of community among parents navigating similar paths.
The podcast delves into the pivotal role of prayer and the necessity of a supportive network for mothers of prodigal children. Deborah recounts her quest for community, which led her to create a space where parents can share their experiences, seek encouragement, and pray for their children. She discusses the importance of maintaining a focus on eternal truths amidst life's trials, reminding listeners that the only dinner she longs for is the ultimate reunion at the marriage supper of the Lamb. This emphasis on spiritual warfare, grounded in biblical faith, serves as a rallying cry for parents feeling the weight of their children’s struggles, urging them to reclaim hope and stand firm in prayer.
As the episode unfolds, the conversation shifts to the church's response to contemporary issues facing families today. Deborah candidly critiques the church's often fragmented approach to supporting parents of prodigal children, revealing a marked lack of understanding and pastoral care. She advocates for a movement that transcends institutional constraints, encouraging churches to embrace vulnerability and provide a refuge for hurting families. By fostering open dialogue about difficult topics, Deborah envisions a church that stands as a beacon of hope and healing, rather than a judgmental institution. In this poignant discussion, she challenges listeners to rethink their roles as parents and church members, emphasizing that the time is now to engage in spiritual battle and pray for the next generation's return to faith.
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Welcome to the show thatcombines biblical truth with the
purpose of sparking revival.
Committed to spreading the gospel.
This is your KingdomCrossroads podcast.
And now your host, T.S.
wright.
Welcome, everyone, to theKingdom Crossroads.
I'm your host, T.S.
wright, and I'm so glad youcould join us today.
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and we thank you for being apart of the Kingdom Crossroads community.
Joining us today is Deborah McNich.
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Now, she is a devoted wife,mother, first time author, and I'm
going to say this right herewith passion.
She is a prayer warrior, okay?
She draws the sword of thespirit when she prays.
And so she has founded BattleCry, which is a prayer movement dedicated
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to bringing our prodigals homethrough the power of prayer.
Her motto is, no one fights alone.
And it is a cry for parents tounite in the fight for our children.
And I just want to say this.
I've gotten to know her.
You better be prepared forPrayer Warrior, because it's coming.
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It is coming today.
So, Deborah, with thatintroduction, welcome to the show.
Hello.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited today.
Let's just dig into this.
This is going to be so good.
This is.
Yeah, this is going to be awesome.
So, Deborah, just to start usoff, just tell our listeners a little
bit about your journey.
You know, kind of give them anidea of your story here, if you will,
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and what the battle Cry Momsis all about, like how it began and
what that looks like right now.
Yes.
So about eight years ago, I amprobably, I was just like a lot of
your listeners.
I was a mom and we had raisedthree kids and they were kind of
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all out in the world doingtheir own things as adults.
And I thought we were rock stars.
I always like to joke that Ihad kind of built this Malibu Barbie
dream house.
And I was just sitting on thefront porch watching the waves, waiting
for the next thing to roll in.
The grandkids, the tripsaround the world, whatever was next.
I had already done my job.
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I like to say it, job as a mom.
And I was just sitting backand just ready to see what was next.
And out of the blue, I got aphone call from my oldest child.
And he simply just said, mom,I'm transgender.
And what that did in thatmoment was that dream house.
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It was like a tsunami wavecame in and knocked it off its foundation.
And I had nothing left.
Nothing that resembledanything of a normal life was left.
And what I was just standingon then was my foundation.
And I had to decide, is myfoundation on the rock of Jesus Christ
or is it on shifting sand?
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And that was the moment that Ihad to just.
It wasn't like I had a year to decide.
I didn't have a month to decide.
I had to decide right then andthere that, that the Lord is good
and that he was with me andthat nothing was going to be too
hard for him.
And so I promised myself a fewthings at the beginning of this journey.
I promised that I would neverforget that he's the God of miracles,
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that, you know, I wouldrecount all the miracles in the Bible,
everything that he did, he hadparted the sea, you know, he.
He deaf ears and open blind eyes.
Nothing was too hard for himand that anything was possible.
And I promised myself that Ihad felt so alone that I knew that
I was going to need a support.
And if I needed support, Iknew there were other moms and dads
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out there that needed asupport group also.
And so I promised myself Iwould somehow start a support group
for parents that had prodigal children.
And then I promised myselfthat I would talk about this at the
very beginning.
Satan was so powerful towhisper in my ear that I needed to
keep this silent.
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I couldn't tell anybody.
People would judge me, I wouldbe full of shame.
My story would be ugly, itwould be awful, and I should keep
it quiet.
But you know, it says inRevelation that we overcome by the
blood of the lamb and the wordof our testimony.
And I had to decide that I wasgoing to speak about this and I was
going to speak with clarityand I was going to speak with conviction
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and I was going to spread thehope and the joy that I have in Jesus
Christ and that what he wasgoing to do in this story.
And those were the things atthe beginning of my journey that
I promised.
And that is how the battle cryprayer movement got started was from
those promises.
Amen.
Amen.
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You know, when you weretalking to me off air about just
the.
Your prayer group that youguys have built, you know, talk a
little bit about that rightnow and then we'll get into a couple
other things here in just afew minutes.
But I really want this prayergroup that you have intrigues me
more than any other piece of this.
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So again, I knew I needed community.
And at the very beginning, Iwent searching on social media sites
for groups for parents of prodigals.
And I found a couple of reallybig ones.
But what I realized at thevery, like, five minutes into it
was that those were groupsthat were affirming and that were
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coming from a whole differentplace than I was coming from.
And I knew that those groupswere not going to be for me.
That was not.
I needed people to stand withme, that were going to pray with
me and believe with me.
I call my mat carriers, myprayer warrior friends.
And I needed people that weregoing to tear the roof off and help
me lower my child before the Lord.
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And so I knew that I had tostart and I started investigating
different options.
I knew that the Lord spokevery clearly to me that it was not
a group for Facebook.
This was not a group for anysocial media network.
And I was going to need tobuild something on my own, which
is kind of funny in itself,because I, you know, I have problems
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sending emails.
I'm not very technical.
So when the Lord calls you todo something, you know, you're like,
how in the world am I evergonna do this?
But I found I ended upstarting my own network, and it's
called Battle Cry Moms.
And it started with just acouple of friends.
Four years ago in May, we hadour anniversary.
And what it has grown to todayis about almost 1500 moms from around
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the world.
There's some from other countries.
We have every denomination inour group.
We agree on the things that weare there for, and that is to pray
our children home.
We do not argue politics.
We do not talk about vaccines.
We don't care who thepresident is.
We don't care about current events.
What we care about is findingways to encourage each other and
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to pray our families home.
And that's what we stay rootedon in our group, and that's why it's
such a beautiful place.
And within the main group, wehave a main page, and people post
songs and sermons and versesand things the Lord is saying to
them.
But the beauty of the wholenetwork is we have subgroups.
I call them tribes, and thoseare people that are going through
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the exact same thing you are.
And so, like me as a mom of atransgender child, there's a group
for moms that have childrenthat are transgender.
We have groups for moms thathave LGBTQ kids.
We have groups for moms thathave kids addicted to drugs and alcohol.
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And we have groups simply forpeople that have kids that don't
believe.
We have a lot of just atheistsmoms that have children that just
simply don't believe.
Estrangement, that's a bigthing right now.
We have a group for peoplethat have children that are estranged
from them.
And so we have all these subgroups.
And what that allows us to dois to just bounce ideas off each
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other and to stand togetherand pray and believe for your families.
These women are going throughthe same thing I'm going through.
So I know they understand.
I know they understand thebathroom saga in the world, and I
know they understand,understand, you know, the clothes
and the pronouns and all ofthe things.
And so these are my people,and these are the people God has
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brought to me to do life with.
But we don't just pray in our group.
The beauty of it is we pray,but we believe.
We believe that God hears ourprayers and that he's answering them
and that our children arecoming home.
Well, I'm going to let youspeak on their behalf in this question
then, because this is reallywhere the rubber meets the road for
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you.
And you gave us kind of thebeginning of this.
But you're a Christian, okay?
And it's not just a Christian.
It's really.
You're a Christ follower,Christ centered follower, and you
want to live a Christ centeredlifestyle, and yet you get this message
that your child is transgender.
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So tell us what that's likewith your faith and being the mother
of someone who claims to be transgender.
Yes, that was.
That is one piece of thepuzzle that is very complicated to
live out.
And at the beginning, I turnedto my faith and I turned to the word
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of God, trying to find answers.
And if I was to be reallyhonest, I wanted to find a loophole
at the beginning.
I kept looking for some kindof loophole to make this okay.
You know, as a parent, you can't.
It's hard to just think aboutturning your child out.
And when I turned to thechurch, and I'm going to talk about
just the capital C church as abig unit, I found that there were
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just two doors that I could go through.
And over here, door number A,door number one, I could walk through.
And it said that my child wasmaking a mistake, that this was not
God's will for him, and Ishould turn them out.
They were going to hell.
We should leave them alone,just let them be.
And then over here was thisother door, door B, that said, oh,
no, come in.
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We affirm this.
God loves everybody.
This isn't sin.
This is okay.
It's just fine what they're doing.
And I found myself justapplying God's Word to both camps
and just trying to figure outwhere my theology and my understanding
of God and His Word came into play.
And what I came up with wasthat there was no way that I could
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hate my child enough to gethim to heaven.
But at the same time, I refuseto love him straight to hell.
And I was going to have tolearn how to love him in the truth.
Never compromising my valuesand making it very clear from the
beginning that I was nevergoing to compromise my values, but
at the same time affirming mychild as a child of mine and as a
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child of God's and loving himright where he was at and not giving
up on him until he came backinto the relationship with the Lord.
And I. I just realized earlyon that if I didn't love my child
enough to drop everything elseon my plate and be on my hands and
my face before the Lord everyday for him, then who was going to
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do that?
It was me in it, and it's theparents and my husband as well, as
he prays for my child.
But it's, you know, the mom.
We have this role.
And I just had decided, youknow, it says in Psalms, there's
several places it says, whenDavid's crying out to the Lord and
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giving him all his woes andall his things, and he says this
little phrase a couple oftimes that says, because I serve
you as my mother did.
And that is something that hasalways stuck in my mind, that one
day I know that my child'sgonna come back and he's gonna serve
the Lord.
And one day when he's praying,he's gonna call out that prayer in
Psalm 86, that, Lord, fixthese things, do all of this, because
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I serve you as my mother did.
And so I knew that faith waswhat is going to turn the tide on
this.
And I was never going to strayfrom it.
I was never going to waver.
There might be rocky timesthat I would question the Lord and
I might say, are you kidding me?
What are you doing?
Are you sure?
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Are you sure this is what youwant to do?
Because I emailed you exactlythe plan I thought I wanted for you,
but I just knew right away.
He never answers like that.
I knew right away that God wasin control.
You mean this isn't BruceAlmighty in Heaven Almighty?
Right, Right, I know.
Like, what?
What are you talking about?
You're not listening to me.
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But he reminds me all the timethat he collects my tears in his
bottle.
And so it's okay to have thosedays of sadness.
And I do.
I have days that I still.
It's hard to get out of bed sometimes.
I don't want to face thethings I'm facing.
You know, we used to have avery close knit family, as I'm sure
many of your listeners did as well.
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And when, when sin enters inand when something like this, this
big enters in and your houseis knocked off its foundation, you
know, you learn that, youknow, your family's not close anymore.
And so the things that youcherished and you looked forward
to, those are not things onyour radar.
Christmas dinner is not on my radar.
Mother's Day celebrations arenot on my radar.
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Fourth of July picnics are nothappening in my house.
These things that other peopletake for granted and just love to
have.
You know, we, we stress ourmoms and our group when a holiday
comes because we know it'sgoing to be one of pain and remembering
what we don't have.
But we have a little thing wesay in our group and I like to remind
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everybody that Christmas andEaster and all of these things are
man made holidays that we celebrate.
And if it means that to keepmy eyes on the Lord and to know that
one day that my child's comingback, that if I have to forego Christmas
dinner, I'm going to do that.
Because the only dinner I wantmy child around is the marriage supper
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of the lamb.
And that's where we keep ourfocus is on eternity.
We keep it on what God isdoing and how he's going to redeem
our stories.
And we don't get caught up inthe day to day and the Christmas
dinners and the Easter dinnersand the new year celebrations.
We try not to get caught up in that.
We get caught up in how goodGod is and how he's a generational
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God and how he is redeemingour stories and how he is going to
restore the years that thelocusts have eaten.
And those are the things thatwe focus on.
Amen.
Hey, just read Philippians 3.
Philippians chapter 3 talksall about what she's saying here.
Remember that.
And our citizenship is inheaven and we eagerly await a Savior
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from there.
That's where the focus is.
Are you focused on the eternal?
Are you focused on the temporary?
And I just say amen to youguys for putting that as a priority
in your life and in yourthinking to create that mindset of
walking with Christ.
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So that's, that's just awesome.
So here's another questionthat I've that you and I spoke real
briefly off air about.
And that is about the church.
So because the church is in aprecarious situation with some of
these issues that are thesehotbed political issues and pastors,
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it puts them in some awkward positions.
But talk both sides of this,how the church has helped you, and
then some challenges thatyou've seen with the church in your
processing all this.
You know, I really feel like,like you said, the church honestly
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just doesn't know what to do.
And I do understand that wehave baby dedications.
We bring our babies in and wededicate them and we pray Jeremiah
29:11 over them.
And we think that somehow hastheir life like set out before them.
But what we don't tell parentsin that Moment is Jeremiah 29:11.
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Yes, they have a hope and afuture and God loves them and knows
the end from the beginning.
But there was some years ofcaptivity in there that they had
to go through before they gotthat hope in a future.
And we kind of fail to mentionthat sometimes to new parents.
And I like to interject onethought into that.
Jeremiah 29:11.
I also want to say this.
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If you read the whole passage,which is what I always encourage
people to do, right?
You quote a verse, read thewhole passage.
You need context and you need understanding.
That passage is an if then scenario.
I call these if then scenarios.
What is that?
It is if you follow the Lord,if you submit to him, then he has
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that plan for you in yourprocess of submission.
But that, that, it's like thepath is there, the plan is laid out,
all the pieces are, but youhave to choose to walk it.
And that is also somethingthat we don't tell people.
We get into this quotingverses and don't read the whole passage.
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Right.
To understand the full context.
So I'm glad you said thatbecause, yes, that.
And that just.
That always hits that gear inme when I'm leading my discipleship
groups and we're talking aboutthese if then scenarios.
Prophecy is if then you haveto remember that.
So go on.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
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I just wanted to interjectthat thought.
Completely agree.
And I probably before thishappened, I would have been guilty
of maybe picking and cherrychoosing the verses.
That sounded really super funfor my family.
And I have learned, you know,we do need context.
And read the verse before andthe verse after.
If you can't read the wholechapter, at least figure out what's
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going on.
And it's kind of like theverse of Proverbs that train up a
child.
We like to Quote that verse,you know, in the way they will go,
and when they're old, theywon't depart from it.
And we just.
We call that, like, oh, well,right there.
It's a promise.
No, that's a principle.
It's a biblical principle.
It's not a biblical promise.
And so we have to starttearing scripture apart and seeing
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how it really relates to our families.
And I wish somebody would havetold me when my kids were younger
that, hey, do you know there'san enemy after your kids?
Because I don't think I reallyrealized to what extent there was
an enemy after my family.
And I wish I could go back.
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The things I would do different.
I always joke and say Iwouldn't take my kids to church.
And what I mean by that is Iwould obviously still take them to
church.
But we did church.
We went Sunday morning andSunday night and Wednesdays and Christian
school, and we prayed and wedid all the things.
I did a lot of things.
I introduced a lot of religionand a lot of, like, you know, processes.
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But I don't think I did agreat job of introducing my children
to the Holy Spirit and toJesus as a relationship.
And if I could go back again,I. I wouldn't put all of my hope
in a system of sending my kidsto Sunday school and youth group.
Then they were gonna come out okay.
I would have done differently.
I would have maybe skippedchurch on a Sunday morning and took
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them out into nature andtalked about what God made and maybe
did some different things thanI did.
But we can't go back.
But what we can do is I canhelp the next generation of mom.
And I can say, hey, there isan enemy after your family, and we're
going to give you tools andwe're going learn to pray and fight
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a spiritual battle that ishappening right now in the heavenlies
for your family.
And we're gonna help youbecause we don't want your child
to ever go astray.
Like the things that we areall facing right now, it's like we,
you know, I like to say it'slike we put quarters on a slot machine.
You know, that's how thechurch kind of teaches us.
Well, go to church, put aquarter in, go to youth group, do
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this, go to youth camp, go to,you know, and I know we talked off
camera about disciples.
You know, we are really bad about.
Want to make converts in thechurch, like, just have them say
a prayer.
But we don't do great aboutmaking disciples.
And so we need to get back todisciple Making and just leading
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people on how to walk dailywith the Lord.
Because when you do pull thatlever down, the jackpot may not come
up.
You may get a phone call likeI got or something else, and then
you're left saying, how am Igoing to deal with this?
Where is God?
Is he good?
You know?
And I had to go through thingslike, if God is still good, does
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he love me?
Is he gonna hate me if I lovemy child?
You know?
And these are the hard thingsthat the church is not preaching
on and talking about, and wehave to do better about.
Standing with parents.
And I had never been to.
I've lived in nine states.
I have never been to a church.
I've been to a lot of churchesthat have ever had a service on a
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Sunday morning dedicated justto pray for the prodigals and say
from the pulpit, I want you tostand up if you have a prodigal child
and ask people to be brave andvulnerable and stand up and say,
I need help.
But instead, it's hidden.
It's hidden.
And it's like, if you have aprodigal, don't tell me.
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Don't come.
I like to remind myself ofwhen this first happened.
I went to a women'sconference, and at the end, they
had a little altar call, andyou could go up and get some prayer.
And I was very new into this,and so I went up to have someone
pray with me.
And when the lady said, whatwould you like prayer for?
I said, I have this situationgoing on.
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And the lady, the look on herface, and she went, okay, okay, okay,
okay.
Yeah.
She didn't even know how to pray.
She didn't even.
An altar worker at aconference was so taken back by the
surprise of my prayer needthat she didn't even know how to
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stand with me in prayer.
And we have to change that.
We have to educate people, andwe have to make it okay to be broken
on the back row.
We have to make it okay to notbe perfect sitting in the pew on
Sunday morning.
We have to make it okay tosay, I have a problem.
The church was always supposedto be for the sick and the hurting.
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It was never supposed to bethe country club that we've made
it.
And so we have got to findways to let parents share in their.
In their hurts and their frustrations.
And we have to find ways thatthe church can stand beside us and
pray and believe with us.
We need altar services wherewe're on our faces praying and believing
for a generation to come home.
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We have to have that back tothose doors that I was talking about
earlier.
If we believe that these kidsare going to hell, then how come
we're not not praying them outof hell, back into heaven?
How come we're not.
We're not doing these things?
And over here, if, if webelieve that nothing is sin, then
I'm not sure why we neededJesus if he didn't come to die for
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our sins.
And so the capital C churchhas a lot of work to do.
We are in the end times,whether that's today or 100 years
from now.
The time is short and we haveto get busy with praying for our
families.
The Lord showed me one time a puzzle.
And the puzzle was all doneexcept for one piece.
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And that one piece.
You know, we like to dopuzzles at our house.
And so if you've ever done apuzzle, you know what happens?
You get to the end and there'sone piece missing.
What do you do?
You're on the floor, you'recrawling around, you're under the
cushions on the couch, you'retrying to find that piece because
you're not going to go tountil that puzzle is done and it's
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complete and that piece is back.
And that piece that's missingright now is our children.
Our children are not back intothe relationship with the Lord and
he is ready to come back.
But we have to get our kids back.
That is the missing piece.
I believe in this puzzle theprodigals that are out there.
And so we have a job to do andwe have to get busy doing it.
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So one of the things that Iwant to.
To just put out there and justto remind you, if you're leading
a church, if you're a pastor,is reminding this concept church
is not an institution.
It's not supposed to just bethis process of systems.
It is a movement.
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And what we have to do is wehave to get to the point where we
break down what is going oninside our church communities.
And we need to do the okay,what are the characteristics of an
institution?
What are the characteristicsof a movement?
Which one are we fitting more into?
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Are we a movement or are we institution?
Jesus did not come come to setup an institution.
There were plenty ofinstitutions already.
I mean, the whole process ofthe way that everything worked with
the religious piece of Judaismat that time was nothing more than
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an institution.
Rome was an institution.
Every piece of this was institution.
Jesus said, we're going tochange this.
It's not going to be an institution.
It is going to be a movement,it has to be a movement, and we need
to remember that.
And I'm glad you.
You touched on that, becausethis is just a symptom of when it
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becomes an institution and nota movement.
Revival happens as a result ofthinking with the characteristics
and doing the things with thecharacteristics of a movement.
So that's good.
Yeah.
And I think that's important,and I want to bring that out here
in the.
In the show.
So here's.
Here's something else.
Just give me.
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And of course, we're about towrap up here, so we're.
I mean, we could speak forhours on this.
And, Deborah, we're going tohave you back on the show because.
Yes, I got some otherquestions I want to ask, and I just
don't have time to ask themright now.
But if somebody wanted toconnect with you and connect into
your groups, how could they do that?
I'd like you to talk usthrough that, because, guys, if you're
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ha.
And I'm saying this, if you'rehaving issues like this and you need
a community, join this community.
And it's not just about if youhave a transgender child or not.
Right.
This could be a child.
You have a child that's just,like you said, estranged.
It may be a situation wherethere are drugs and alcohol involved
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and.
Or they're just starting to goon the wrong road.
There is a community here thatyou can connect to, to help.
So, Deborah, I'm going to letyou take it away and explain how
you can get connected and all your.
All the good things that youhave going on here.
Yes.
And so we would love for youto join us.
Our motto is no one fights alone.
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And we are simply.
It's battlecrymoms.com andbattlecrydads.com now.
I will say that Battle CryDads is very small because dads are
not joiners.
But we're gonna get there.
We're gonna get there one ofthese days.
But Battle Cry Moms, like Isaid earlier, was.
Is almost 1500 now.
And it's just a grassroots movement.
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We just.
We grow because somebody knowssomebody that has a prodigal.
And when you get to Battle CryMoms, there's a splash screen, and
it's gonna say, like, click tojoin or something like that.
And there's gonna be fivequestions that you answer to get
in.
And so I just want to remindeverybody, this is a private community.
We only allow people in ifthey have prodigal children.
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And you have to answer thesefive questions to Be able to have
access to the community.
And we do that because it's avery private, very emotional group.
And we want to maintain justthe integrity of the group and the
privacy.
And we don't want just anybody in.
And that's why we do it that way.
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There's no charge.
This is all free.
There's no charge to be in.
And when you get in, some ofthe things that you're going to get
are supposed to.
We have a battle plan, I call it.
And it's just five steps.
And we go through that in our group.
I have written a book and youcan get that.
All the places you get books.
It's called Battle Love Goesto War.
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And it has the battle plan inthat as well.
And it also just talks aboutwhat I've went through in the last
eight years and what the Lordhas taught me in this story.
And it's just, I think it hassomething for everybody in it because
everyone has gotten some sortof a phone call or a loss of a job
or loss of a dream.
And everybody has that placeto meet with the Lord and say, I
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believe you and I believe your word.
And that's what I'm gonnafocus on.
And that's what Battle Cry is about.
And so we would love to connect.
You can just connect on mywebsite, Debra McNinch.com and then
you can I link all of thosethings on there.
And so please join us, callme, email me.
I would love to just visitwith you on the phone if you just
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need a prayer partner.
So please reach out.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, I'm going to just say this.
This has been both.
It has a little bit of asobering to it, but it also has an
awakening and just thedirection the Lord has taken.
This is amazing.
I mean, yes, you talk abouthaving a support system in these
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type of situations because thesupport isn't just about the person
who is impacted by thesituation, but it's about the parents
and the family and all thesubsidiaries that are being impacted.
And so you have given asupport system for that.
And I think that is soimportant that somebody has stepped
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up and done this and had theimpact that you have.
God has obviously put this onyour life and has blessed us beyond
blessings.
So I just want to say kudos toyou and.
And I'm going to be prayingjust for your group to continue to
grow and to be able to reachmore people who are struggling with
this.
So we're going to include allthis information in our show notes
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and we'll get all this put together.
But I do want to say this.
Deborah's going to be back onthe show.
So she's coming back on.
She just doesn't know it yet.
I'll hey, I say this when Iwas teaching in classroom.
When I teach in classrooms, ifI have a kid that's struggling, I
will pull them across theline, kicking and screaming if necessary.
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We'll get them there, butwe're going.
To get them across.
That's what we're going to do it.
And she kind of has that sameattitude about praying those prodigals
home, baby.
I mean, they're coming one wayor the other.
Don't stop.
Yes, I like that level ofcommitment and devotion.
So.
But anyway, I have to close here.
Thank you guys for tuning intotoday's episode.
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Joining us today is Deborah McNich.
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Now, she is a devoted wife,mother, first time author, and I'm
going to say this right herewith passion.
She is a prayer warrior, okay?
She draws the sword of thespirit when she prays.
And so she has founded BattleCry, which is a prayer movement dedicated
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to bringing our prodigals homethrough the power of prayer.
Her motto is, no one fights alone.
And it is a cry for parents tounite in the fight for our children.
And I just want to say this.
I've gotten to know her.
You better be prepared forPrayer Warrior, because it's coming.
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It is coming today.
So, Deborah, with thatintroduction, welcome to the show.
Hello.
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm excited today.
Let's just dig into this.
This is going to be so good.
This is.
Yeah, this is going to be awesome.
So, Deborah, just to start usoff, just tell our listeners a little
bit about your journey.
You know, kind of give them anidea of your story here, if you will,
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and what the battle Cry Momsis all about, like how it began and
what that looks like right now.
Yes.
So about eight years ago, I amprobably, I was just like a lot of
your listeners.
I was a mom and we had raisedthree kids and they were kind of
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all out in the world doingtheir own things as adults.
And I thought we were rock stars.
I always like to joke that Ihad kind of built this Malibu Barbie
dream house.
And I was just sitting on thefront porch watching the waves, waiting
for the next thing to roll in.
The grandkids, the tripsaround the world, whatever was next.
I had already done my job.
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I like to say it, job as a mom.
And I was just sitting backand just ready to see what was next.
And out of the blue, I got aphone call from my oldest child.
And he simply just said, mom,I'm transgender.
And what that did in thatmoment was that dream house.
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It was like a tsunami wavecame in and knocked it off its foundation.
And I had nothing left.
Nothing that resembledanything of a normal life was left.
And what I was just standingon then was my foundation.
And I had to decide, is myfoundation on the rock of Jesus Christ
or is it on shifting sand?
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And that was the moment that Ihad to just.
It wasn't like I had a year to decide.
I didn't have a month to decide.
I had to decide right then andthere that, that the Lord is good
and that he was with me andthat nothing was going to be too
hard for him.
And so I promised myself a fewthings at the beginning of this journey.
I promised that I would neverforget that he's the God of miracles,
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that, you know, I wouldrecount all the miracles in the Bible,
everything that he did, he hadparted the sea, you know, he.
He deaf ears and open blind eyes.
Nothing was too hard for himand that anything was possible.
And I promised myself that Ihad felt so alone that I knew that
I was going to need a support.
And if I needed support, Iknew there were other moms and dads
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out there that needed asupport group also.
And so I promised myself Iwould somehow start a support group
for parents that had prodigal children.
And then I promised myselfthat I would talk about this at the
very beginning.
Satan was so powerful towhisper in my ear that I needed to
keep this silent.
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I couldn't tell anybody.
People would judge me, I wouldbe full of shame.
My story would be ugly, itwould be awful, and I should keep
it quiet.
But you know, it says inRevelation that we overcome by the
blood of the lamb and the wordof our testimony.
And I had to decide that I wasgoing to speak about this and I was
going to speak with clarityand I was going to speak with conviction
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and I was going to spread thehope and the joy that I have in Jesus
Christ and that what he wasgoing to do in this story.
And those were the things atthe beginning of my journey that
I promised.
And that is how the battle cryprayer movement got started was from
those promises.
Amen.
Amen.
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You know, when you weretalking to me off air about just
the.
Your prayer group that youguys have built, you know, talk a
little bit about that rightnow and then we'll get into a couple
other things here in just afew minutes.
But I really want this prayergroup that you have intrigues me
more than any other piece of this.
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So again, I knew I needed community.
And at the very beginning, Iwent searching on social media sites
for groups for parents of prodigals.
And I found a couple of reallybig ones.
But what I realized at thevery, like, five minutes into it
was that those were groupsthat were affirming and that were
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coming from a whole differentplace than I was coming from.
And I knew that those groupswere not going to be for me.
That was not.
I needed people to stand withme, that were going to pray with
me and believe with me.
I call my mat carriers, myprayer warrior friends.
And I needed people that weregoing to tear the roof off and help
me lower my child before the Lord.
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And so I knew that I had tostart and I started investigating
different options.
I knew that the Lord spokevery clearly to me that it was not
a group for Facebook.
This was not a group for anysocial media network.
And I was going to need tobuild something on my own, which
is kind of funny in itself,because I, you know, I have problems
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sending emails.
I'm not very technical.
So when the Lord calls you todo something, you know, you're like,
how in the world am I evergonna do this?
But I found I ended upstarting my own network, and it's
called Battle Cry Moms.
And it started with just acouple of friends.
Four years ago in May, we hadour anniversary.
And what it has grown to todayis about almost 1500 moms from around
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the world.
There's some from other countries.
We have every denomination inour group.
We agree on the things that weare there for, and that is to pray
our children home.
We do not argue politics.
We do not talk about vaccines.
We don't care who thepresident is.
We don't care about current events.
What we care about is findingways to encourage each other and
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to pray our families home.
And that's what we stay rootedon in our group, and that's why it's
such a beautiful place.
And within the main group, wehave a main page, and people post
songs and sermons and versesand things the Lord is saying to
them.
But the beauty of the wholenetwork is we have subgroups.
I call them tribes, and thoseare people that are going through
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the exact same thing you are.
And so, like me as a mom of atransgender child, there's a group
for moms that have childrenthat are transgender.
We have groups for moms thathave LGBTQ kids.
We have groups for moms thathave kids addicted to drugs and alcohol.
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And we have groups simply forpeople that have kids that don't
believe.
We have a lot of just atheistsmoms that have children that just
simply don't believe.
Estrangement, that's a bigthing right now.
We have a group for peoplethat have children that are estranged
from them.
And so we have all these subgroups.
And what that allows us to dois to just bounce ideas off each
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other and to stand togetherand pray and believe for your families.
These women are going throughthe same thing I'm going through.
So I know they understand.
I know they understand thebathroom saga in the world, and I
know they understand,understand, you know, the clothes
and the pronouns and all ofthe things.
And so these are my people,and these are the people God has
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brought to me to do life with.
But we don't just pray in our group.
The beauty of it is we pray,but we believe.
We believe that God hears ourprayers and that he's answering them
and that our children arecoming home.
Well, I'm going to let youspeak on their behalf in this question
then, because this is reallywhere the rubber meets the road for
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you.
And you gave us kind of thebeginning of this.
But you're a Christian, okay?
And it's not just a Christian.
It's really.
You're a Christ follower,Christ centered follower, and you
want to live a Christ centeredlifestyle, and yet you get this message
that your child is transgender.
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So tell us what that's likewith your faith and being the mother
of someone who claims to be transgender.
Yes, that was.
That is one piece of thepuzzle that is very complicated to
live out.
And at the beginning, I turnedto my faith and I turned to the word
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of God, trying to find answers.
And if I was to be reallyhonest, I wanted to find a loophole
at the beginning.
I kept looking for some kindof loophole to make this okay.
You know, as a parent, you can't.
It's hard to just think aboutturning your child out.
And when I turned to thechurch, and I'm going to talk about
just the capital C church as abig unit, I found that there were
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just two doors that I could go through.
And over here, door number A,door number one, I could walk through.
And it said that my child wasmaking a mistake, that this was not
God's will for him, and Ishould turn them out.
They were going to hell.
We should leave them alone,just let them be.
And then over here was thisother door, door B, that said, oh,
no, come in.
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We affirm this.
God loves everybody.
This isn't sin.
This is okay.
It's just fine what they're doing.
And I found myself justapplying God's Word to both camps
and just trying to figure outwhere my theology and my understanding
of God and His Word came into play.
And what I came up with wasthat there was no way that I could
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hate my child enough to gethim to heaven.
But at the same time, I refuseto love him straight to hell.
And I was going to have tolearn how to love him in the truth.
Never compromising my valuesand making it very clear from the
beginning that I was nevergoing to compromise my values, but
at the same time affirming mychild as a child of mine and as a
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child of God's and loving himright where he was at and not giving
up on him until he came backinto the relationship with the Lord.
And I. I just realized earlyon that if I didn't love my child
enough to drop everything elseon my plate and be on my hands and
my face before the Lord everyday for him, then who was going to
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do that?
It was me in it, and it's theparents and my husband as well, as
he prays for my child.
But it's, you know, the mom.
We have this role.
And I just had decided, youknow, it says in Psalms, there's
several places it says, whenDavid's crying out to the Lord and
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giving him all his woes andall his things, and he says this
little phrase a couple oftimes that says, because I serve
you as my mother did.
And that is something that hasalways stuck in my mind, that one
day I know that my child'sgonna come back and he's gonna serve
the Lord.
And one day when he's praying,he's gonna call out that prayer in
Psalm 86, that, Lord, fixthese things, do all of this, because
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I serve you as my mother did.
And so I knew that faith waswhat is going to turn the tide on
this.
And I was never going to strayfrom it.
I was never going to waver.
There might be rocky timesthat I would question the Lord and
I might say, are you kidding me?
What are you doing?
Are you sure?
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Are you sure this is what youwant to do?
Because I emailed you exactlythe plan I thought I wanted for you,
but I just knew right away.
He never answers like that.
I knew right away that God wasin control.
You mean this isn't BruceAlmighty in Heaven Almighty?
Right, Right, I know.
Like, what?
What are you talking about?
You're not listening to me.
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But he reminds me all the timethat he collects my tears in his
bottle.
And so it's okay to have thosedays of sadness.
And I do.
I have days that I still.
It's hard to get out of bed sometimes.
I don't want to face thethings I'm facing.
You know, we used to have avery close knit family, as I'm sure
many of your listeners did as well.
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And when, when sin enters inand when something like this, this
big enters in and your houseis knocked off its foundation, you
know, you learn that, youknow, your family's not close anymore.
And so the things that youcherished and you looked forward
to, those are not things onyour radar.
Christmas dinner is not on my radar.
Mother's Day celebrations arenot on my radar.
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Fourth of July picnics are nothappening in my house.
These things that other peopletake for granted and just love to
have.
You know, we, we stress ourmoms and our group when a holiday
comes because we know it'sgoing to be one of pain and remembering
what we don't have.
But we have a little thing wesay in our group and I like to remind
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everybody that Christmas andEaster and all of these things are
man made holidays that we celebrate.
And if it means that to keepmy eyes on the Lord and to know that
one day that my child's comingback, that if I have to forego Christmas
dinner, I'm going to do that.
Because the only dinner I wantmy child around is the marriage supper
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of the lamb.
And that's where we keep ourfocus is on eternity.
We keep it on what God isdoing and how he's going to redeem
our stories.
And we don't get caught up inthe day to day and the Christmas
dinners and the Easter dinnersand the new year celebrations.
We try not to get caught up in that.
We get caught up in how goodGod is and how he's a generational
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God and how he is redeemingour stories and how he is going to
restore the years that thelocusts have eaten.
And those are the things thatwe focus on.
Amen.
Hey, just read Philippians 3.
Philippians chapter 3 talksall about what she's saying here.
Remember that.
And our citizenship is inheaven and we eagerly await a Savior
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from there.
That's where the focus is.
Are you focused on the eternal?
Are you focused on the temporary?
And I just say amen to youguys for putting that as a priority
in your life and in yourthinking to create that mindset of
walking with Christ.
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So that's, that's just awesome.
So here's another questionthat I've that you and I spoke real
briefly off air about.
And that is about the church.
So because the church is in aprecarious situation with some of
these issues that are thesehotbed political issues and pastors,
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it puts them in some awkward positions.
But talk both sides of this,how the church has helped you, and
then some challenges thatyou've seen with the church in your
processing all this.
You know, I really feel like,like you said, the church honestly
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just doesn't know what to do.
And I do understand that wehave baby dedications.
We bring our babies in and wededicate them and we pray Jeremiah
29:11 over them.
And we think that somehow hastheir life like set out before them.
But what we don't tell parentsin that Moment is Jeremiah 29:11.
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Yes, they have a hope and afuture and God loves them and knows
the end from the beginning.
But there was some years ofcaptivity in there that they had
to go through before they gotthat hope in a future.
And we kind of fail to mentionthat sometimes to new parents.
And I like to interject onethought into that.
Jeremiah 29:11.
I also want to say this.
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If you read the whole passage,which is what I always encourage
people to do, right?
You quote a verse, read thewhole passage.
You need context and you need understanding.
That passage is an if then scenario.
I call these if then scenarios.
What is that?
It is if you follow the Lord,if you submit to him, then he has
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that plan for you in yourprocess of submission.
But that, that, it's like thepath is there, the plan is laid out,
all the pieces are, but youhave to choose to walk it.
And that is also somethingthat we don't tell people.
We get into this quotingverses and don't read the whole passage.
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Right.
To understand the full context.
So I'm glad you said thatbecause, yes, that.
And that just.
That always hits that gear inme when I'm leading my discipleship
groups and we're talking aboutthese if then scenarios.
Prophecy is if then you haveto remember that.
So go on.
I didn't mean to cut you off.
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I just wanted to interjectthat thought.
Completely agree.
And I probably before thishappened, I would have been guilty
of maybe picking and cherrychoosing the verses.
That sounded really super funfor my family.
And I have learned, you know,we do need context.
And read the verse before andthe verse after.
If you can't read the wholechapter, at least figure out what's
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going on.
And it's kind of like theverse of Proverbs that train up a
child.
We like to Quote that verse,you know, in the way they will go,
and when they're old, theywon't depart from it.
And we just.
We call that, like, oh, well,right there.
It's a promise.
No, that's a principle.
It's a biblical principle.
It's not a biblical promise.
And so we have to starttearing scripture apart and seeing
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how it really relates to our families.
And I wish somebody would havetold me when my kids were younger
that, hey, do you know there'san enemy after your kids?
Because I don't think I reallyrealized to what extent there was
an enemy after my family.
And I wish I could go back.
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The things I would do different.
I always joke and say Iwouldn't take my kids to church.
And what I mean by that is Iwould obviously still take them to
church.
But we did church.
We went Sunday morning andSunday night and Wednesdays and Christian
school, and we prayed and wedid all the things.
I did a lot of things.
I introduced a lot of religionand a lot of, like, you know, processes.
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But I don't think I did agreat job of introducing my children
to the Holy Spirit and toJesus as a relationship.
And if I could go back again,I. I wouldn't put all of my hope
in a system of sending my kidsto Sunday school and youth group.
Then they were gonna come out okay.
I would have done differently.
I would have maybe skippedchurch on a Sunday morning and took
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them out into nature andtalked about what God made and maybe
did some different things thanI did.
But we can't go back.
But what we can do is I canhelp the next generation of mom.
And I can say, hey, there isan enemy after your family, and we're
going to give you tools andwe're going learn to pray and fight
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a spiritual battle that ishappening right now in the heavenlies
for your family.
And we're gonna help youbecause we don't want your child
to ever go astray.
Like the things that we areall facing right now, it's like we,
you know, I like to say it'slike we put quarters on a slot machine.
You know, that's how thechurch kind of teaches us.
Well, go to church, put aquarter in, go to youth group, do
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this, go to youth camp, go to,you know, and I know we talked off
camera about disciples.
You know, we are really bad about.
Want to make converts in thechurch, like, just have them say
a prayer.
But we don't do great aboutmaking disciples.
And so we need to get back todisciple Making and just leading
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people on how to walk dailywith the Lord.
Because when you do pull thatlever down, the jackpot may not come
up.
You may get a phone call likeI got or something else, and then
you're left saying, how am Igoing to deal with this?
Where is God?
Is he good?
You know?
And I had to go through thingslike, if God is still good, does
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he love me?
Is he gonna hate me if I lovemy child?
You know?
And these are the hard thingsthat the church is not preaching
on and talking about, and wehave to do better about.
Standing with parents.
And I had never been to.
I've lived in nine states.
I have never been to a church.
I've been to a lot of churchesthat have ever had a service on a
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Sunday morning dedicated justto pray for the prodigals and say
from the pulpit, I want you tostand up if you have a prodigal child
and ask people to be brave andvulnerable and stand up and say,
I need help.
But instead, it's hidden.
It's hidden.
And it's like, if you have aprodigal, don't tell me.
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Don't come.
I like to remind myself ofwhen this first happened.
I went to a women'sconference, and at the end, they
had a little altar call, andyou could go up and get some prayer.
And I was very new into this,and so I went up to have someone
pray with me.
And when the lady said, whatwould you like prayer for?
I said, I have this situationgoing on.
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And the lady, the look on herface, and she went, okay, okay, okay,
okay.
Yeah.
She didn't even know how to pray.
She didn't even.
An altar worker at aconference was so taken back by the
surprise of my prayer needthat she didn't even know how to
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stand with me in prayer.
And we have to change that.
We have to educate people, andwe have to make it okay to be broken
on the back row.
We have to make it okay to notbe perfect sitting in the pew on
Sunday morning.
We have to make it okay tosay, I have a problem.
The church was always supposedto be for the sick and the hurting.
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It was never supposed to bethe country club that we've made
it.
And so we have got to findways to let parents share in their.
In their hurts and their frustrations.
And we have to find ways thatthe church can stand beside us and
pray and believe with us.
We need altar services wherewe're on our faces praying and believing
for a generation to come home.
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We have to have that back tothose doors that I was talking about
earlier.
If we believe that these kidsare going to hell, then how come
we're not not praying them outof hell, back into heaven?
How come we're not.
We're not doing these things?
And over here, if, if webelieve that nothing is sin, then
I'm not sure why we neededJesus if he didn't come to die for
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our sins.
And so the capital C churchhas a lot of work to do.
We are in the end times,whether that's today or 100 years
from now.
The time is short and we haveto get busy with praying for our
families.
The Lord showed me one time a puzzle.
And the puzzle was all doneexcept for one piece.
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And that one piece.
You know, we like to dopuzzles at our house.
And so if you've ever done apuzzle, you know what happens?
You get to the end and there'sone piece missing.
What do you do?
You're on the floor, you'recrawling around, you're under the
cushions on the couch, you'retrying to find that piece because
you're not going to go tountil that puzzle is done and it's
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complete and that piece is back.
And that piece that's missingright now is our children.
Our children are not back intothe relationship with the Lord and
he is ready to come back.
But we have to get our kids back.
That is the missing piece.
I believe in this puzzle theprodigals that are out there.
And so we have a job to do andwe have to get busy doing it.
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So one of the things that Iwant to.
To just put out there and justto remind you, if you're leading
a church, if you're a pastor,is reminding this concept church
is not an institution.
It's not supposed to just bethis process of systems.
It is a movement.
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And what we have to do is wehave to get to the point where we
break down what is going oninside our church communities.
And we need to do the okay,what are the characteristics of an
institution?
What are the characteristicsof a movement?
Which one are we fitting more into?
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Are we a movement or are we institution?
Jesus did not come come to setup an institution.
There were plenty ofinstitutions already.
I mean, the whole process ofthe way that everything worked with
the religious piece of Judaismat that time was nothing more than
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an institution.
Rome was an institution.
Every piece of this was institution.
Jesus said, we're going tochange this.
It's not going to be an institution.
It is going to be a movement,it has to be a movement, and we need
to remember that.
And I'm glad you.
You touched on that, becausethis is just a symptom of when it
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becomes an institution and nota movement.
Revival happens as a result ofthinking with the characteristics
and doing the things with thecharacteristics of a movement.
So that's good.
Yeah.
And I think that's important,and I want to bring that out here
in the.
In the show.
So here's.
Here's something else.
Just give me.
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And of course, we're about towrap up here, so we're.
I mean, we could speak forhours on this.
And, Deborah, we're going tohave you back on the show because.
Yes, I got some otherquestions I want to ask, and I just
don't have time to ask themright now.
But if somebody wanted toconnect with you and connect into
your groups, how could they do that?
I'd like you to talk usthrough that, because, guys, if you're
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ha.
And I'm saying this, if you'rehaving issues like this and you need
a community, join this community.
And it's not just about if youhave a transgender child or not.
Right.
This could be a child.
You have a child that's just,like you said, estranged.
It may be a situation wherethere are drugs and alcohol involved
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and.
Or they're just starting to goon the wrong road.
There is a community here thatyou can connect to, to help.
So, Deborah, I'm going to letyou take it away and explain how
you can get connected and all your.
All the good things that youhave going on here.
Yes.
And so we would love for youto join us.
Our motto is no one fights alone.
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And we are simply.
It's battlecrymoms.com andbattlecrydads.com now.
I will say that Battle CryDads is very small because dads are
not joiners.
But we're gonna get there.
We're gonna get there one ofthese days.
But Battle Cry Moms, like Isaid earlier, was.
Is almost 1500 now.
And it's just a grassroots movement.
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We just.
We grow because somebody knowssomebody that has a prodigal.
And when you get to Battle CryMoms, there's a splash screen, and
it's gonna say, like, click tojoin or something like that.
And there's gonna be fivequestions that you answer to get
in.
And so I just want to remindeverybody, this is a private community.
We only allow people in ifthey have prodigal children.
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And you have to answer thesefive questions to Be able to have
access to the community.
And we do that because it's avery private, very emotional group.
And we want to maintain justthe integrity of the group and the
privacy.
And we don't want just anybody in.
And that's why we do it that way.
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There's no charge.
This is all free.
There's no charge to be in.
And when you get in, some ofthe things that you're going to get
are supposed to.
We have a battle plan, I call it.
And it's just five steps.
And we go through that in our group.
I have written a book and youcan get that.
All the places you get books.
It's called Battle Love Goesto War.
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And it has the battle plan inthat as well.
And it also just talks aboutwhat I've went through in the last
eight years and what the Lordhas taught me in this story.
And it's just, I think it hassomething for everybody in it because
everyone has gotten some sortof a phone call or a loss of a job
or loss of a dream.
And everybody has that placeto meet with the Lord and say, I
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believe you and I believe your word.
And that's what I'm gonnafocus on.
And that's what Battle Cry is about.
And so we would love to connect.
You can just connect on mywebsite, Debra McNinch.com and then
you can I link all of thosethings on there.
And so please join us, callme, email me.
I would love to just visitwith you on the phone if you just
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need a prayer partner.
So please reach out.
Amen.
Amen.
Well, I'm going to just say this.
This has been both.
It has a little bit of asobering to it, but it also has an
awakening and just thedirection the Lord has taken.
This is amazing.
I mean, yes, you talk abouthaving a support system in these
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type of situations because thesupport isn't just about the person
who is impacted by thesituation, but it's about the parents
and the family and all thesubsidiaries that are being impacted.
And so you have given asupport system for that.
And I think that is soimportant that somebody has stepped
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up and done this and had theimpact that you have.
God has obviously put this onyour life and has blessed us beyond
blessings.
So I just want to say kudos toyou and.
And I'm going to be prayingjust for your group to continue to
grow and to be able to reachmore people who are struggling with
this.
So we're going to include allthis information in our show notes
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and we'll get all this put together.
But I do want to say this.
Deborah's going to be back onthe show.
So she's coming back on.
She just doesn't know it yet.
I'll hey, I say this when Iwas teaching in classroom.
When I teach in classrooms, ifI have a kid that's struggling, I
will pull them across theline, kicking and screaming if necessary.
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We'll get them there, butwe're going.
To get them across.
That's what we're going to do it.
And she kind of has that sameattitude about praying those prodigals
home, baby.
I mean, they're coming one wayor the other.
Don't stop.
Yes, I like that level ofcommitment and devotion.
So.
But anyway, I have to close here.
Thank you guys for tuning intotoday's episode.
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This has been just a great episode.
I am so glad that you guys area part of this Kingdom Crossroads
community and certainly thoseof you that are part of Deborah's
community.
We want you to listen to theshow and enjoy the show, but also
make it a place where you areinspired to continue in your walk
with Christ and give us a likefollow us.
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Hit that subscribe button andremember this when you support us,
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and sharing these experienceswith you guys.
You can also visit our websiteat www.godcenteredconcept.com to
learn more about our ministry.
And I'm going to say this, andyou'll start hearing me say this
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now.
The aim of our ministry atthis point is to get the discipleship
plans published and put as anonline course.
And we need support to dothat, financial support.
So we are are asking forpeople to go there and please consider
that helping us out.
On behalf of myself andDeborah, this is T.S.
wright and until next time, goforth in total surrender to the One
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who owns and reigns over all creation.
Let the great harvest begin.
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