"Speaking of Hailee Steinfeld..." (w/ guest host Joel Kim Booster)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look man, oh I see you? Why why bone look
over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness dang Dong
lost culture Risa's calling. What a treat for everyone listening
at home, but a tragedy for the first some out there.
For my bow and Yang dary hearts because this is

(00:22):
not Bow and Yang. This is my other sister who
I knew to call on when boone was having technical differenties.
Introduce yourself. Hi, My name is Joaki and Booster. This
is really all. This is borderline problematic to be slotting
in for bo and Yang. Shut it is you know
the symmetry. People are gonna talk, people are gonna make
their jokes, and I don't think so, honey. People making
jokes like that, and you said you didn't know what

(00:45):
you're I don't think so, honey, was gonna be And
look at you already popping off. It can't be that.
How boring people Literally at d C, a fan came
up to me out of meat and green was like,
bo and Yang, I love your word, and I was like,
we are not still doing that in the year of
our Lord. Stop Asian hate. No, this is fully ridiculous. Also,

(01:10):
I will say this, I also hosted another podcast with you.
The Legally Blonde Recap podcast was truly a moment in
podcasting history that feels like ten thousand years ago. I
cannot believe we did that, and I cannot believe we
need you know, what we need to bring back for
this this episode of Lost Culture, says cousin of the one,

(01:31):
Cousin of the Week. We need to bring that Cousin
of the Week by the end of the episode. After
after I don't think so, honey, Before I don't think so, honey,
we will do Cousin of the Week. Cousin of the
Week was a segment on our jlan I's Legally Blonde
recap podcast. By the way, we should say it was
Legally Blonde the series, the musical of the series, and
we did a recap podcast for that for the next

(01:53):
to search for the Next Style Woods, which I believe
it came out thirteen years ago, and soso that feels
exactly right stylistically, thematically, aesthetically that from what we watched
two thousand eight feels dead on. In fact, I think
it is. And we did do a segment based on
the contestants that we called Cousin of the Week. Which

(02:14):
was something I created because I felt that at any
given time, any of those contestants were giving cousin energy, right,
and and it makes and it tracks absolutely, it makes
complete sense when you watch the show. And it will
make complete sense today when we name out of all
the topics that we talk about, we will be naming
a cousin of the week and you you won't ask it.

(02:35):
There are no follow up questions to be asked. No,
we're not available to answer any questions after we are
we are we are actually abjectively unavailable. Isn't this funny?
Because you actually texted me earlier you said what are
you doing tonight? Sort of intimating that you wanted to
hang out and the end because you're what are you
in Manhattan now? Right now? Yeah? I love the other Manhattan.

(02:59):
Actually like how much Number seven York the Silver Lake
of New York, truly Brooklyn, think about it is the
sixth borough of New York. Wow, you're just saying funk
Long Island where I am right now? You are saying
that I I um, and this is actually it's a

(03:21):
beautiful stand And I want you to know I have
had a full day. Earlier, I went into town to
get Italian ices, which is something that people often do
on Long Island. And I went into town on main Street,
thank you, laden Hurst v. Main Street, and I went
to my favorite Italian ice place growing up. It's called
Patsy's Italian Ices. And I never knew this, but on
the wall there is a plaque and I said, I

(03:44):
texted you about this before in the group chat. But
there's a plaque on the wall and it's a quote
from Pat Benatar being asked about her hometown and highlight.
It just says Patsy's serves the best Italian ices and
then it's it's it's a lack on the wall. So
this town, Lindenhurst, which is right right by where I
grew up and where my parents grew up, is so

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proud that Pat Benatar just tossed off this Italian ice comment,
that they plaqued it and put it on the wall.
Highlight Okay, And it's across the church from Pat Benatar's church,
our Lady of Perpetual the church, it's across. It's across
the church. Now, I want to be I want to
be fully upfront. I want to be real and raw

(04:28):
with all of the readers. Tonight. That's what we do.
I took a melotone in about fifteen minutes before you called,
and so not only am I unprepared to talk about culture,
not only have I not really ingested very much culture
over the last couple of weeks, I've ingested a little melatonin.
So it might be feeling a little sleepy, sleepy by

(04:50):
the podcast. I often feel that people are at their
most raw and vulnerable when they've just when they've getten
a little sleepy. So I'm happy to get you in
this state. But it's actually good that you that we
strike a little bit of a somber tone, because have
you heard the bad news? What is the news? Megan
mcain is leaving the View. No, this is old. Well,
we do have to talk board member. She has resigned

(05:13):
from the View to sort of I guess commit herself
fully of being a board member of last Culture says,
but that's not the bad news with which I speak
of which I speak. The bad news is to Charlie
Samuel's Monique's bird has passed. No, And she said on
her Instagram that to Chola passed in a freak accident,

(05:36):
and then she didn't go any further I think that
probably it's too painful and potentially graphic and tragic, because
when I hear freak accident, I don't think you know
that the bird went peacefully? No, But like you know,
funck birds. I've never met a bird that I cared
if they lived or died, um, not even that bird.

(05:58):
Freak accident with with birds, by the way, can mean anything.
A freak accident for a bird can mean it flew
out a window, which is not that freakish for a
bird to do. Well, you know that bird once ran away,
That bird has the history of flying the coope, so
to speak, and you know that wasn't going on. What's
going on in that household? What's going on in that household?
Who's having that conversation? Who's having that conversation? All I'm

(06:21):
saying is, look, and if anyone has ever had a
pet like run away, I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying, like,
what the hell is going on in that house? And
who's having that conversation? Because the bird tried to run
away and successfully or flew away as it were, and
then flew back and now there's a freak accident. Again,
not blaming her, And I know there's been a lot

(06:42):
of drama in her life over the past year, but
also shady of God to have this happened on the
week of the Potomac premiere that she's not in. Yeah,
really shady of God to have it happen during America's
birthday too, of all things, like to give it and
take it away, to remind to sort of it's just
too much, I think, to be Monique Samuels right now,

(07:04):
to sort of see the Potomac trailer, to sort of
see like Wendy really sort of take her place, as
it were, as like she's like narrating the trailer. You
know that Wendy is going to be bringing the drama
this season in a way. And to know that like
her bird died on the week of the premiere as

(07:25):
correctly or you are correct, but um, I just I
it's almost proper for me that you come in here
have sort of in having ingested melotonin because I never
thought this would be like a yeah, last coach and
I just sort of like flashed my hands like this
sort of say fanfare, this is a sedate, this is

(07:48):
a six D, this is a calm day of remembrance.
You guys are gonna get about a third of the
content at the exact same time stamp, and you're gonna
pay the same year old dollars. Okay, so don't you
fucking complain. Why did you tell me that you would
not have been in the mood to do this two
hours ago? Or is that an off camera comment? Um,

(08:10):
it's sort of an off camera comment. I it's it's
not important. It's not important now, Um. I was just
I've had a whirlwind day, um, full of text messages
and face times and um work related stuff, and it's been.
It's it is. It is. Honestly, it is for you, Matt,

(08:32):
as my friend to hear, which is why I wanted
to go to dinner with you tonight as a friend.
And it is not for you, Matt as a podcaster
to hear. Now how differently, honestly it could be. It
could happen on an Instagram live. Now that's the the
liminal space between podcasting and a private one on one dinner.
Is I would reveal all on an Instagram live, but

(08:54):
not on this podcast where no, it's the the audience
is too big, Oh Jesus, alright, fine, it does live
on in perpetuity Wow, scary to think about things on
this podcast. Living in Perpetuity. I believe I said on
my very first appearance that St. Louis was the worst
city in America. So you did, and that was that

(09:15):
sort of calls back to your very first episode, which
is called All Across America, where we talked almost exclusively
about which American cities were bad and which ones are good,
something I really hope no one listens to, but now
that I said up there probably will. And I would
like to say I have since visited Phoenix, Arizona, and
I would like to say Phoenix, Arizona is far worse
than St. Louis. Really, yeah, Phoenix, I don't know what

(09:36):
it's offering nothing. I went to. I had a show
in in historic Downtown Phoenix. They kept saying historic. It's
the arts district, Historic Downtown Phoenix. It looks like a
fucking Chipotle everything out there, because you you forget, like,
at least St. Louis there's history there. It's an older city.
You forget that. A lot of stuff on the West

(09:56):
Brand thanking new. There is no history, there is no culture.
It's just teal. It's just a big teal Chipotle. Oh,
kiel not teal it's not great. Well, the thing too
is like you just said that St. Louis has a
lot of history, and I'm racking my brain and this
is how you know I'm in my hometown of Long Island,
New York, because I'm like, what's the history on Long Island?

(10:17):
Mark McGuire, Hey, that's something, that's something. There was a
time when Mark McGuire, he was I mean, look at
me in my baseball hat. By the way, if you
look behind me, look at all those trophies. Oh my god,
so masks, so mask, it's incredible, how mask? I sort
of I'm on Long Island and I'm telling you it
comes out your your voice is deeper and deeper and darker. Yeah. Yeah, honestly,

(10:45):
that's part of having the gay cold. I have the
Gate cold. I got it. I caught the Gate cold
finally over the weekend. So you are a believer, then
in the Gate cold you would not sort of, Yes,
I believe that when gay people party for five weekends
in a row and get you know, no less than
four hours of sleep for five days of those in

(11:08):
a row, every single week, that you will develop a cold,
especially especially after a iconic period of um immune system
suppression and over hand sanitation. We were iconically separated this
pride and Fourth of July weekend, So I don't know
how yours was, and that's something I can hear about

(11:28):
my pride. Yeah, well, how was your damn pride? How
was your Fourth of July weekend? I don't I'm not
even going to see you on my Fire Island trip,
which feels stupid. My pride was sucking fantastic. I was
in San Francisco for all of it, and it was,
um it was a delight. And listen, I think people
sleep on San Francisco as a pride city. It is,
I think so. I mean, there were plenty of people

(11:50):
that were visiting there. But you know, from my entire life,
since I was a child, since I was three years old,
since I could stand up, I said, I do pride
in New York, That's where I do it. Okay, That's
where the Stonewall riots happened. That's where I need to be. Okay,
that's where all the good floats are, all the all
the good big floats, big banks. Yeah, but there was actually,

(12:11):
um uh, there was a riot before stone Wall that
happened um. In San Francisco. Um, it was called the
Okay Professor. Yeah, God, you're an iconic professor. Yeah. So

(12:32):
in fact, I think it's Um, it was more appropriate
for me to spend my pride in San Francisco. I
had a lovely time. I saw a lot of my
friends there. Um, I UM, A lot of stuff happened.
It is difficult because a lot of my friends who
were there listened to this podcast. And so I don't
want to. I don't want to want to. I don't

(12:54):
want to docks. I don't want to docks them. Don't docks.
You don't dock to them or yourself. It's actually who
ess actually rule of culture number don't docks them or
your or yourself. Don't do it? True or false? You
like your San Francisco friends better than me? Yes? True?
Absolutely true? Um, absolutely true. Is it because they're more fun?

(13:17):
Is it because they're less fun? Why do you like
them better than me? Because I know you do. Um,
I would say I like them better than you because
they're they're certainly kinder to me. Um, they're a kinder bunch. Um,
they're more diverse. Um, you know that than you? Uh
it does you know optically is a better look for me?

(13:40):
Of course? Yeah, that's important to consul. I literally, I
literally importivirta. Before San Francisco, I met a guy and
was making out with him, and like the third thing
I said to him was like, why did you have
to be white? God? That is because if you're because
why because if your photograph people will drag. Yeah, I
get dragged for it all the time. I get dragged

(14:01):
for it all the time. I got dragged for it
in San Francisco for hanging out with too many white
gays yea, and two of them in the picture that
I posted were Latino. So I don't even know. I
can't I can't win in this town. I can't win
in this town. I think you can win in this town.
You just have to. Well, first of all, that's is
that even that's something that you get a lot. Yeah,

(14:22):
check my damns, babe, check how am I going to
get in there? I knowsly is iron classed? Well, that
disappoints me. You feel like you can't be in a
picture with me because people are gonna say that guy's white.
Fuck that I mentioned me upset? Well, I mean you
are Greek and that is something you know, someone did
look at me one time and say is he some

(14:44):
sort of not white? And then someone that they the
person they they asked that to turn to them and
said no, and they were, of course right, I am
exactly some sort of white. I am what we were
talking to, because I've been wearing a lot of ribbed
tanks formally known as wife beaters. Yeah, and thank you

(15:05):
for speaking that out loud. It's actually really culture number
one hundred and seven there, formerly known as the wife beaters.
Thank you very much for considence on that one as well.
But somebody was like, why do they call them wife beaters?
And I literally said, I think it's derogatory towards Greek people.
Know it's you know who it's derogatory towards. Is the

(15:29):
the sort of uh milk white asses, like your eminem types,
you know what I mean, you're detroitters. I think that
wife Peter pre dates that, though, Yeah, you know, it
is really interesting. I think we've talked about this like
the I was explaining that item of clothing to someone
and the word wife beater just kind of flew out

(15:50):
in my mouth, suggesting that it's been in my mouth
for a very long time, and that we just accepted
it a as what that item of clothing is called,
and be that it was an acceptable thing to sort
of conjure up that imagery when simply stating what someone
was wearing. And I remember I said it, and I
immediately was like, oh my god, can you believe that

(16:12):
I just called it that? And that we all the
the collective we called it that. Yeah, it's one of
my favorite things to be self righteous about. Actually these days,
it's one of my favorite things to be selfrighteous about. Yeah,
that's well, it's actually interesting we just had eminem because
I love to be self righteous about eminem too. So
everything I think about you, every time I say I

(16:34):
stand something, every time I say I stand something, And
by the way, I have not changed the behavior. I'll
continue to say it, but I think it constant everything. Yeah,
I and I I was like leading the charge of
being like, we can't do this. It's an eminem thing.
And remember how painful he was. I love nothing more
than to get on my soapbox about eminem. One of

(16:55):
the coolest things about me, I'd say, is how upset
and angry and righteous I get. And then the next
day I turned around I stand, Ashley Simpson stand, how
did you know how to hurt me? How did you
know how to hurt me and expose me? I recently
discovered I was talking with a friend about this. Ashley
Simpson is the perfect pop cultural reference for almost all occasions,

(17:19):
For almost all occasions, I was literally telling him. I
was telling him about the Hollywood Bowl performance of Chicago
and how which apparently she slayed. She slayed, She did slay.
But I was like telling him about it, and I
was like, you know, they always cast it with like
these weird C list celebrities like Chicago with Ashley Simpson,
and he thought I was He thought I was fucking
brilliant first of all, because he thought he was like, Wow,

(17:41):
what an incredible improvised line, like these two references together.
And I was like, no, babe, this is real. I'm
just saying history. Okay, talk about me. Maybe it's the
Glossary of St. Louis, because it's history, baby. It is
fun to think about. It is fun to think about
has beens in the Hollywood Bowl like uish has been?
What is your combo C list celebrity And honestly, here's mine.

(18:06):
Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin starring with Erica Jane in
a Hollywood Bull version of Chicago. I want Rinna playing Velma.
I want Erica Jane doing Roxy what she did and
also Roxy. Of course. I mean Rinna famously would not
stop talking about how she did Roxy. But I also
think she's got Velma in her. We see the way

(18:27):
she moved uptuous. And I think Harry Hamlin, I would
like to see him do Billy Flynn. I think, um,
that was Luan and there as the matron Mama Morton,
because she was this close to booking that gig. So
she says, so, she says, let's be real. She was
out here like really saying it was happening. She was like, yeah,

(18:47):
and I'm doing Chicago. That was my Countess Luin and
I'm doing Chicago and I don't even think that was official. Yeah.
I want to see, um, I want to see uh,
Phil of the Future. Sure in next to Normal whatever
that kid's name is. You want to see, Yeah, wow,

(19:08):
what is that kid's name? We're gonna call him Fellow
the Future. Um, but you want to see sort of
a bad next to normal. I don't want to see
next to Normal done badly. See these other shows you
can see done badly because it's the Camp Chicago. We
can see done badly next to normal? Did I ever
tell you about the time I saw next to normal?
And B? But I'm I can't wait to hear about it. Well,
I won the lottery, so you know how you could

(19:29):
go likes put your name in the lottery. I won,
and we got to sit in the Lincoln seats, which
I call them because famously, you know, he's sort of
what I'm saying is I was in like that Mezzanian box,
and um, I cried harder than I think I've ever
cried in my life next to my friend Mackenzie, who
who was like my my friend, like we were like
sophomores in college, and we I literally I wept so

(19:52):
hard at Alice Ripley sue anyway, I'm believing. I thought
you'd like to know remember her like iconic? Did you
see it with her? I didn't see it with her? No,
you up? I saw. I saw. I saw a summer
summer stock theater production of it. Who was in it?
What did you even have a good nobody? Nobody was?

(20:15):
My God? It was terrible? Did and what what I
would give to go back and see some of the
stuff that was on Broadwa when we were in New York.
What we need to do is get Alice Ripley on
TikTok because do you remember the YouTube videos. Do you
remember the YouTube videos of Alice Ripley just completely losing
her mind on a video blog. We need Alice Ripley

(20:38):
on TikTok. Yeah, I mean I think all these all
these actresses of a certain age that are like um
sort of you know, aging out of their types on Broadway,
they should go to TikTok because that's where it's happening.
And I do think like that this the Zoomer generation
would respond to them because they have the tricks, you
know what I mean, local tricks, and this is the

(20:59):
sort of thing like you can you can get Alice
Repley can get her tricks across and TikTok like that
Shoshana Beam is flopping not being on TikTok. Well, you see,
I was talking more about Al's Ripley's like spoken words
sort of jet fields that sort of is she is
she um? Is she a denier? You know what? That's

(21:22):
the energy that she brings to those videos. I don't
want to say. I don't want to say for sure,
I don't want to say with certainty that she is
a Denier, but that is definitely the energy, the vibe
that she brings to those videos. Oh my god, how
iconic to bring nine eleven denier energy. But she's got it. Yeah,
there are angels in this city. Yeah, angels in this city.

(21:45):
And steel doesn't melt like that. By the way, speaking
America drains, I haven't really gotten to download with you
about the Housewives of it All. Well, let's do it.
What are your fucking thoughts? She's absolutely guilty. Have you

(22:05):
seen The Hustler and the and the and the and
the Housewife? I was waiting to watch it with Sudi.
Can you sort of download me? Well, there's really nothing
new except like, they're both at fault, they're both staled,
they're both evil. Um. It is worth watching the first
fifteen minutes just to have Danielle Stob try to explain
how she knows Erica Jane UM, because it's literally like

(22:27):
she doesn't she doesn't know Erica Jane And it's she's
literally like, yeah, we met um one time and I
there was something about like and it's so clear. She
has no idea, they have never they have no relationship. Um,
but that's fun. Um it is. It is worth watching,
like the first forty minutes for sure. I don't think
you need the full hour and a half, but especially

(22:47):
because daniel Stob is apparently quite a large part of it.
And by the way, if you didn't think it was
gonna happen, we already have our front runner for Cousin
of the week, which is Danielle Stob and she especially
here on Long Island where I am, that is a
Long Island cousin. If I've ever seen one absolutely positive
about information, she does not have that. And also just

(23:09):
her entire state of being, you know what they'll also,
I would say Alice is definitely in the running for
cousin because she's that she's that older cousin that you
still have to call aunt, even though she's not really
your aunt, she's technically your cousin. Would call her aunt
Alice anyways, because she's so much older than everybody else. Yes,
because it would feel odd for her to be she's
not one of the cousins. She certainly doesn't sit at

(23:31):
the kid's table. No, no, no, no, no, childless has
been less but related and around. I've told you though
that like literally when I was younger. I didn't know
this until I started watching Real Housewives in New Jersey.
But Melissa Gorga is peak hot cousin energy. Like when
you're a little gay boy on Long Island, you want

(23:54):
to be Melissa Gorga more than anything else, at least
in the past two seasons when she's got like her
like sorr. But I mean she would admit to this,
like she's got her work like all the way done
and together and settled in and she's like dressing better
than ever. She is peak cousin energy Gorgah. I mean,
I don't see that. That's not my in the Midwest,

(24:16):
it's not our culture to look like that. It's just
not um yeah, I'm like, we're much more of a
sweatpants tucked into an ug's like very platinum blonde, right,
that's sort of sort of like a younger Sutton Strack,
maybe even like Brandy Glanville. Oh tough, yeah, um well,

(24:39):
but okay, So so Erica Jane. She is guilty as
per She is absolutely guilty. She knew something. She absolutely
knew something. I hate and Andy is protecting her. Andy
is protecting her in a way on this show that
I you know, he's my king, you know, he's my king.

(24:59):
Let's tell me, let me sell you something. He's my
king too. And it's going to be a race. Your
way ahead of me right now, but it's gonna be
a race. Okay, we'll see we'll see you. No, you
know I love to share boys with you. Yeah, that
is fully true. U Um but anyway, hey king, if
you're listening, Um, but wait, wait, wait, does the documentary

(25:22):
alleged that Andy is protecting her or did you Jill
Kim Booster he alleged that he's protecting her. You watch
the documentary and then you watch the show and you're like,
this show is protecting Erica Jane, Like they're giving her
this narrative and who knows, who knows what turn it's?
Who knows what turns it will take by the end.
You know, I do think ourselves smells a rat. I

(25:42):
do think that she is onto her a little bit,
But um, I don't know that we're gonna get a
ton of Eric Jane is guilty on the show itself. Well,
Erica Jane does not like her at it. Did you
hear about this? No Erica? And you know who's by
the way, you know who's been curiously silent on the
Erica Jane of it all? Is big? Is big? Erica

(26:06):
Jane stand Megan McCain curiously silent now that it seems
Erica Jane maybe go into the big house as they
call it, Megan, she didn't want to comment time. She
was like, I know this is going to become a
top story and I have to leave now before it
becomes um ubiquitous in the culture. Um no, no, no.

(26:29):
But basically my thing is like, if Erica Jane is
guilty and she doesn't like her edit because I guess
they show her sort of flaunting her wealth in the
early episodes like and and I think she's unhappy about
it all, then does she continue on the show. And
if she doesn't continue on the show, what happens? Does
she go to jail? Is it like that bad? Or

(26:50):
is it like, you know, non felonious, like attached to
your like insanely you know, fell in husband. I don't
know what is it? You know? Um something about me
is that I'm not a legal expert. Um and I've
been saying that this is why we need a Sonny

(27:11):
hostin on the show. This is what we need a
Sonny to cut too and go can you explain this
to us? But I'm absolutely going to speak out of
turn and say she flips, flips, she gets a plea guard,
she gets a plea bargain, she flips, She goes back
to waiting tables, She does Erthy Jane performances on the weekends.
She loses Mikey. Oh, I want the scene where they were,

(27:32):
where he had, where she has to fire him. I
want the scene where she looks at her fucking books,
realizes she can't keep Mikey and has to sort of
call him over and in a much more dramatic breakup
than anything she could have ever had with Tom Girardi,
has to let Mikey go that and and it's just

(27:53):
such a shame because I don't think he's done. I
don't think he's done with the work that he wants
to do, Like he came back. He's got those all
star lips now. But I think he wants the teeth
too big. I think he wants the teeth. I think
he wants I think he's I think he's in this
for a long time. I think he's in in this
for an eventual eye lift. I mean, I think I
think he's in this for a long haul. And I
actually I think he's gotten more to say. I think

(28:15):
Mikey has more to say creatively, and I want him
on the team. Still, I'm just upset, like I don't know,
Like I guess I didn't realize I liked Erica Jane
this much, but I really don't want her to be
I don't want her to be a criminal. I'm so,
I'm sort of I've been done with Erica Jane for
a couple of seasons. Now. I don't need her on

(28:36):
the show. She she gives nothing. Why is she given?
In the last two seasons, she gives nothing. And we've
now got to read Derek gives the looks, brings the
drama to re brings her goofy little accent. We don't
need Erica. Yeah, I forget that, that's true. And go
back and watch, go back and watch that confrontation on
the boat. I showed this to you over Quarantine. You're right,

(28:57):
this was this was something. This is what kept us
going in Quarantine. Was this confrontation on the boat where
derrit says, you are cold and you bring nothing, and
she was right to go back and watch that fight
on the China boat. She was right, deret was right.
Believe you actually are a percent right that Dorrits sort
of handled Erica in that moment that I think and

(29:19):
I think I think I said to you like and
I think Dorit's response was not in Erica's playbook. It's
like America doesn't get spoken back to like that. Like
Erica says, when Erica Jane says to anyone, you're jealous
of me, the response that she thinks she's gonna get
is you're right, and I'm afraid of you two. And
Derrett was like, hold on, wait, pause it all. I'm

(29:41):
not jealous of you. I'm not afraid of you. I
don't like you. Why what what is there to like
about you? I find you to be really cold and
not fun to be around, and you're a bully. And
that was that was I think that's why there is
still there today and Teddy is not. Because Teddy was
shaking like a leaf the whole time, like a leaf,

(30:02):
and and without the looks she you have to bring
some column, make some column. B She had no calm,
She had no columns. She was collapsed, tough about your
Midwest cousin. That's talk tucked into an ug. That's Teddy Mellencamp,
That's t Mellencamp. And we say that was all the
love in the world for John Cougar Mellencamp. And where

(30:25):
are we? Where are we? The re uh Sutton v Crystal? Um? Okay,
so I this is here's the thing. I am a slutton.
I am a I am a sluton. Identify as a slutton.
Um tell me that girl. Tell me you're that girl.
But but I'm not that girl. And I was with
Crystal the entire way throughout that entire thing, and I

(30:49):
was like, Crystal to me, is killing it. She's crushing it.
I think that she could eventually one day move to
center couch because I think that she will be the
one to start in old ly with Kyle or Jury.
And I think she'll be able to handle herself because
I think she's smart. I think she's rich in a
real way. I think she can back up everything she says.

(31:12):
And I think she's and I say this with all
the love in the world for her. She's a bitch.
She's a bitch and and and I I think it's
like aspirational. She's like she genuinely believes in her heart
of hearts, like ultimately, I could walk away from Sutton
right now and she would think about it forever and
I could get over it. And I kind of am.

(31:34):
I just think she sort of overplayed her hand here
re the Sutton walking into her bedroom of it all.
I think that she is gonna learn from this because
I think she went a little too far and gave
them fodder with this thing of the violating of it all,
like Crystal, like Sutton walked into my bedroom and I

(31:56):
wasn't dressed, and it was a violation that language is
going to give these white women who are like super
concerned about cancelation and super like that's a very that's
a very damning accusation. That's a very big word that
you're throwing around their Crystal like she's going to give
them ammunition to be like, shame on you for making

(32:17):
Crystal seem to be this person. And actually even Garcelle
thought it was too much and you and I was
really hoping for an alliance there and it almost happened.
Crystal would have been smarter to Harp. More on Sutton's
I don't see race issue and less on the violation issue,
it would have been a better play. I think it

(32:38):
just got exhausting for her though that plotline. I wouldn't
want to continue that plotline either. Would you like to
be the one on the show that's having to handle
someone that is so much like it's like this with
Dr Tiffany and Moon on Dallas. I think she got
so bogged down in the Brandy storyline, and then also
with um what's her face? Cameron, and you're talking about

(33:00):
men who are I'm sorry, but so much dumber than
her that it's like, at a certain point you have
to feel shitty for even like allowing yourself to continue
the storyline because it's not gonna go anywhere because you're
not playing with people with a full deck. And I
think that Crystal saw the way that Sutton was responding

(33:22):
to all of everything Crystal was saying about like just
trying to walk it back and being like, you can't
be a person that says I don't see race. That's
not the way we do things anymore. Like understand that
my situation is more different, is more and more difficult,
and I think she just realized that Sutton was not
operating at a level where she could get that in
that moment or at all, so she kind of back.

(33:42):
I mean, these women need Hazard pay. Every person of
color on a show that is predominantly white, on one
of these franchises, deserves Hazard Pay for the educating that
they have. They are they're backed into a corner to do.
They have no choice but to do it. But we can't.
We have to, we have to start talking about Housewives. No,
because the one thing I want to first of all,

(34:02):
why do you say that to me? I'm just aware
of people who listen to this show who don't watch
them The Housewives? Oh why because they live in San Francisco.
That I know people who don't live in San Francisco
who also don't listen to the Housewives. I want to
say one more thing, which is that I couldn't give
a ship less about New York this season. Yeah. Yeah,

(34:28):
Leah really overplayed her hand. She really overplayed her hand.
This this happens with second season. This happens all the
time with girls who have good first seasons or good
seasons even they go in high on their own supply.
They think their ship, don't stink. They think they can
get away with anything. They think they can say anything,
including I'm not going to vote in election. And she
lost me. She lost me. No, that was that was

(34:51):
That was definitely a flashback to a very bad emotional
time for all of us when we were dealing with
people like Leah who were like these gorgeous, rich, white
blond women who are like, I'm just so fucking pissed
up the whole thing. I'm like, I'm probably not going
to vote. I'm just like you. Oh it's tough. Oh,
it's tough. And I think because she presents as so cool,

(35:13):
she gets away with a lot of ship, a lot
of ship. Yeah, and it's just but like the coolness
of it all is like so manufactured that it just
it's you can see the cracks are showing this season.
The cracks are showing in a way where it's like,
and also, just go fucking home. I'm so tired of

(35:36):
her being like my grandmother is dying and I have
to be on this vacation right now. Go home. Bit,
just go home, all right? You know what? Moving away
from this, how would you rate your excitement level from
on a one through ten scale for Black Widow because
I don't know about my own number. Really, I would

(35:59):
have thought you would be an eight or I because
I'm fairly I'm fairly an eight. I would say, and
are you? But are you like are you like A
are you a Black Widow fan? I'm a I'm a
lady fan, same, you know. But then I'm a prestige
actress fan. So you would consider me three of them

(36:20):
in one movie. That's true. That's true, And we did here.
Louis did say that he felt the movie was not bad.
But Louis that's huge, yeah, because he hates Marvel. But um,
Rachel Weiss didn't have a lot to do. Florence is
fun and Scarlett kind of just does what she does,
which is honestly what I was expecting from this. I

(36:41):
guess I think that maybe the Black Widow, I just
don't find her to be the most compelling Marvel character.
And I think that you kind of know what she's
been through already, right, Yeah. I mean the thing is
is she's sort of the utility player narratively, you know,
like she they slap her in in a lot of
spaces in the movie, and and she does she serves

(37:02):
a function in each movie that is sort of like
immaterial to her character, Like she plays a very specific
role in UM, Winter Soldier, she plays much Ultron, she plays,
She's she plays you know it? Does they do sort
of like use her for whatever they need in that
movie specifically? And I just think that like there is

(37:25):
not a lot of there there yet because we haven't
how a movie to focuses on yet. Here's the question
I have for you, as someone who is a major
and Marvel fan and someone that watches it very closely
and knows it from different angles, not just the movies.
Do you think that the character of the Black Widow
is used movie to movie in a way that is

(37:47):
truthful to her character because she's looking for connection and
looking for a family. Or do you think that Scarlett
Johanson is often placed in these movies because they want
some sort of will veera won't they with whoever the
male leaders of that movie? Because when I watched Winter Soldier,
there's like a few moments like especially this moment in
the car, It's like this actually kind of cool moment,
and and for the Marvel movies, UM at that point anyway,

(38:09):
in the Winter Soldier where um uh, Captain America and
the Black Widow are driving in the car and it's
really quiet scene. There's like this like sort of like
slow song playing on the radio and they're having this
conversation about like, um like where they belong in the world,
and it's like sort of romantic, and I'm like, are
are they intimating that that's a thing. And then also

(38:31):
there's like a huge romantic plotline throughout the movies with
the Hulk and Black Widow and they even kiss. And
then in Avengers Endgame famously, her last scene spoiler alert
is with Hawkeye played by Jeremy Renner, and it's intimated
that they also have had a romantic history. I don't
think that that that's quite as clear. I think that

(38:52):
they have always. That's one of the consistencies I think
from It's Very Charged, from from Age of Ultra is
that they're very close like boot like what is it
like Budapest or whatever They referenced a couple of times
um in the movies, like this is just like Budapest
or some ship like. I do think that they have
like a closeness. I think that they have both similarly

(39:14):
like dark pasts that only they are aware of. But
I don't think, um, I don't think. I don't think
that the the Endgame thing was supposed to be romantic.
I don't think there was anymili No. I think it
was familiar. I think it was completely familiar. Interesting because yes,
Hawkeye in the movies is very much with Linda Cardelini,

(39:36):
which CARLINI one of the biggest wats I would say
second biggest waste of of a great actress in the
Marvel universe. And you know what number one is Rachel McAdams.
We we've I've said it on this podcast before, I'll
say it again. We need to get her new agents.
Who is repping Rachel McAdams. Yeah. I think that Rachel

(39:56):
McAdams suffers from being I think she suffers from fifth
choice syndrome. I think that this I've said this on
this podcast before. I think that Rachel McAdams doesn't deserve
this at all. But I think this is what happens
with her. I think that she's so good at everything,
and she had that breakout moment in like two thousand
four where she was like the lead of the Notebook
and the lead and and Regina George and she was

(40:17):
in Red Eye, and she was so likable and amazing
in um Wedding Crashers, and then she was in Family
Stone and did this great character performance and I believe
had supporting actress buzz for that and was just everywhere that.
I think people didn't see her in a specific enough way,
and I think they didn't know what movies to really
either write for her or push her for or whatever.

(40:38):
So what happened was she sort of became this person
who was like on everyone's list, but not first. And
she also sort of popped off in the Jennifer Lawrence era,
and so this I just think what happened to her
is there weren't enough good parts for women at that
time in film, and she was specifically popping off in film,

(40:58):
and it would it would be a few years until
that was a little bit better. And it's still not
that much better because now TV is Queen, TV as Queen.
She had her opportunity on TV, though wasn't her I
know it wasn't her fault, but like, why haven't we been?
Where's her? Marathies Town? You know we tried. It's got
to be coming, It's gotta be coming. It's gotta be

(41:21):
coming because think about how on paper she's made every
right decision in the world. It's true and and and
and and if Mean Girls came out today, she would
have been nominated for you know, we're so much kinder
now to not only just comedic performances but also comedic
performances from women. I mean, like that Melissa McCarthy nomination

(41:41):
was like huge, and they always did this. I mean,
to be honest with you, like if there were going
to be broad comedy performances honored, like it would happen
in that category. I mean all the way going back
to Cactus Flower with Goldie han Or like you know,
Marissa Tomay and my cousin Vinnie like always yes, but
high school never. I do think it would be It
would be better now. I think you're right. And what
we call the Hailey Steinfeld era and he had to

(42:07):
ride a horse, she had to ride a horse. She
had to do that goose the accent, I think, you know.
And I just watched Clueless again today, Brittany Murphy, I
have said this. I said this across the table from
my friend, our friend, Matt Whittaker, and he scoffed in
my face. I said, if Britney Murphy were alive today,
she would have been nominated for an Oscar. She would

(42:29):
have had a cross. She is. She was the moment
and she continues to be the moment. You are a
hundred percent right, jil Cam Booster, and it's why you've
been on this podcast seven hundred times and why you
were an Icon Award winner. UM, aren't you? Are you
a Last Culture Kind Of Award winner? I don't think
I think that's won it like three times. I don't
think I have won. I have an announcement as of tonight,

(42:54):
Joe Kim, you have won the Last Cultures Like Kind
Award for coming in on the clutch and you are
gonna get a gift. This is really exciting because for
saying do you want to give a quick speech? Yeah.
I would like to thank UM, the WiFi in the
Dominican Republic for keeping for keeping going off this podcast. UM.

(43:18):
I would like to thank Matt Um for you know,
needing to fill time, UM, and forgetting that I had
hadn't won the award in the first place, and mistakenly
believing that I had. UM. And I'd like to thank,
of course Brittany Murphy for being sort of the launching
pad of my greatest take on this podcast that I've
probably said on the podcast before. But you know, it's

(43:38):
been a year and a half since I've really needed
to comment on culture. So please wrap up. Okay, they're
playing me off. There really are do Do Do? Do?
Do Do? Wow? That Oscar song is so iconic, isn't
it that like do do do? We all know it? Um? Wait? Okay,
So Brittany Murphy would have been at LEAs nominated for

(44:00):
an Oscar at this point, and I really think she
would be Prestige TV actress in the vein of Elizabeth
Moss because I believe that she missed her moment to
really show us what she could do when there was
gonna be a lot more opportunity for her, because every
single time she was in anything, she scored. Weren't you
there when we just watched Dropped Ed? Gorgeous? Yeah, incredible

(44:23):
in that and no one thinks of her when they
think of that movie. No nobody thinks of Amy Adams either. Listen,
we talked about kirst Ally. We talked, We talked, we
really do. But what we do not talk about with
Kirstily is Kirsti Ally turning to Amy Adams on the
set of Dropped Gorgeous and saying, you need to move

(44:43):
to l A. And here's the alley. Is the reason
we have a rival, is the reason we have June
Bug is the reason we have the worst parts of Julia,
and Julia is the reason. She is the reason. And
so yes, you're stale is a kook. Yes, she is
a scientologist, but I think karmically she balanced things out

(45:08):
by giving us say name. She also unfortunately turns that
fucking movie all the way out. She's so good and
she's also so good. And it takes two. Oh my god,
I fucking love it takes two. Steve Gudenberg and her
hot also Steve Gutenberg hot? What the fuck is he? Yes? Yes,

(45:31):
literally yes, look it up. He feels like the the
only like the kind of hot that is only hot
in the nineties though, like that men don't like don't
men don't look like that, you know what. He's that
type of like young Jerry Seinfeld attractive where you're like, sure,
you bang these women, you know what I mean, Like
you're attracted to him despite yourself, sort of because you've

(45:52):
been conditioned to a big conversation in coming. You know
who's sort of an analog to that. I would say,
who's sort of the Steve Gudenberg of today, John Reynolds.
John Reynolds has the very same vibe where I would
I would suck the ship out of John Reynolds. But
he does have that same Gutenberg Young Steinfeld, young Billy Crystal.

(46:15):
I never got Billy Crystal until I saw when Harry
met Sally. Oh yeah, you know what's funny. He's way
out of his league in that movie, but you still
get it, You really do still get it. And like
you ever seen City Slickers. No, he is that kind
of like like Blue Gene New York, like ker mudgeon vibe.
Hair has been receiving probably since he was eight years old,

(46:36):
that vibe where you're still like, I'd still fuck you.
And I also think this isn't annoying to say. But
like in the nineties, like whenever Jerry Seinfeld had those
like hot girl friend, whenever he was dating like Terry Hatcher,
like peak Terry Hatcher in the nineties, I didn't question
a thing. I was like, yeah, for sure, they're fucking him. Um,

(46:59):
but okay, wait, this is what I wanted to say.
So speaking of Hailey Steinfeld and Black Widow so so
so this is relatively to you and your interests. You
know that Hailey Steinfeldt is m c U because you
know she's the new Hawkeye. I did know that. Um,
I think that's amazing is that Kate Bishop? Is that

(47:21):
she k Bishop? And did you know that one of
these sort of fun crossovers that's happening in the m
c U series is Florence Pu is in the Hawkeye series.
So this sort of lends to my point earlier about
the Black Widow and Hawkeye connection of it all because
you know that Florence p was gonna show up sort

(47:43):
of I guess the long lost sister of Scarlett Natasha Romanov,
And you know that Jeremy Renner is going to give
his classic like steely eyed glances over at her, like
why is this girl reminded me of someone from my past?
I mean, I hope, I hope we don't get that.
I hope that they make a better choice. But I

(48:04):
can absolutely see that happening. And I think speaking of
Hailey Steinfeld is speaking of Haley Steinfeld dot dot dot
that's the front runner for title of app and that
is how I know that you truly were the person
to come here because you know, to offer the title
of app speaking of Hailey Steinfeld dot dot dot parentheses

(48:26):
with special with ultra special guest Jill Kim Booster. Can
I congratulate you, by the way, I'm so excited for you.
The Fire Island movie is going to be incredible. And
can I say uh with a gentleman I'm singing. I
recently just just watched Bride and Prejudice, Yes, and I

(48:46):
loved it, and I almost I also ordered I ordered
a special fresh copy of Pride and Prejudice, um, and
I'm going to watch the Kira version as well, and
I'm like watching I love and I can't wait to
watch it again. And I'm just like really soaking into
the story again. God damn, what a fucking classic that is,
and how how well it works, um to map it

(49:10):
onto the situation that you're mapping it on. I want
to know, just like not to like really seriously interview,
but like what made you think of that? Um? Honestly,
it happened in like when we were there for the
first time. It was the book that I brought to
read and I was literally just in the midst of
reading Pride and Prejudice, looking around at this island and

(49:32):
looking at the ways in which, like our culture is
sort of compressed in a very like specific way on
the island. There are no straight people. There are no
straight people except the teenage girls that work in the canteen,
and which are my favorite girls. I'm so excited to
see them next week. Oh my amandous. They need they
need a Bravo reality show. Like I know it's insane

(49:55):
to say, like Fire Island needs a show, but it
needs to be about the straight girls who work in
the pantry. But those of you who know, you know,
those girls have seen it all. They've seen it all.
You know. Those were all my girlfriends in high school,
all my girlfriends in high school. I'm talking about Alison,
I'm talking about Alex, I'm talking about both Emily's. I'm
talking about Sam, I'm talking about Kate, I'm talking about Brittany,
I'm talking about Lorienne. All of them worked in the

(50:18):
Ocean Bay Park market and they were those girls in
the loose buns, their hair slopped up in a loose
bun with an oversized sweatshirt. Pri Arianna wearing Nike slides
looking looking like looking like green eminem every smilarly literally
and also like sort of a little bit of makeup
from the night before. And uh lacrosse shorts sleepy all

(50:42):
day from six am when they get there to five
pm when they leave, or switch over with another girl
named the same name as them. I'm telling you so, yes,
you are right, they are the only straight women there.
Continue your point anyways, um no, And it just like
listen Jane Austen, like if you read it again. I
know many of us were forced to read Jane in

(51:02):
high school and it didn't and many people didn't connect.
I didn't connect with it until I was in college.
But like her social observations are so prescient, and especially
the ways in which we conceal the harm that we
do to each other under social niceties. And it is
so gay. It's just so gay, like she create, she

(51:24):
clocked what shade is before we had a word for it.
Bangley was the original, you know, lay laomi, that's a
rule of culture nine. The original. God, I don't know,

(51:44):
and I just I literally I was like the ways
in which class sort of map onto the way in
which class not like exists in the gay community, not
just class as we know it, like financially, but I
think like looking a certain way is its own sort
of class. Race is its own sort of class in
our community, and like it. Just you know, it started

(52:07):
as a joke. It literally started as a joke. I
would joke about it constantly. And I'm going to write
a movie about Fire Island that takes place on on
that is a Pride and Prejudice remake, and I never
meant to do it. And then a while ago I
wrote an essay about Jane Austen and Pride and Fire
Island and my agent and literally the only good thing

(52:27):
my agent has ever done. David, I hope you're listening
to this, and I hope you know that. I think
you've done nothing from my career except for this one thing.
But he read that essay and he was like, you
should make this a show, and I was like, that
is the dumbest thing you've ever said. Never talked to
me again, nobody will ever read that. And then on
a plane right to Japan, I wrote a sex script

(52:49):
um for what was originally gonna be a show, and
then eventually, um, you know, things happened and I sold
it to Quimby, and the rest is history and the
rest remember oh do I ever? Yeah? You know what's funny.
It's like when when Quimby launched, I was like, I'm
so happy were one of the first, and now I'm like, God,

(53:12):
Joel really dodged a bullet by not being one of
the first to launch with Quimby, because honestly, had you
had this come out with Quimby, it doesn't get made
at Hulu. It is incredible. I mean, yes, the pandemic
did take my father, but did it give me a
movie at Hulu? It did, absolutely, so it all really
evens out me in um. Also, I recently went home

(53:34):
with a guy and he turned on his TV and
and the Roku thing came up, and I was like,
oh my god, you have Roku and I got I
was actually I was not as excited as that about it.
I was sort of like, oh my god, you have Roku. Um.
But in the back of my head, I was like,
we could watch the original one. You know what, you
could have watched Game Show all episodes of season one
streaming on Roku. But I don't think it's necessarily and

(53:58):
singled out, yeah, I have to say like, um, I
was one of those people that in high school, I
believe in my ap compt isn't very much a genius.
I was get this. I did win in my grade.
I won the English Award, like I was the best
English student in my class. Says the English department. Okay,

(54:21):
says the English Department, not me. Don't get mad at me,
don't make don't write me letters. Write the write the
ap lit department or the English department, high school letters.
Okay from from you know however, many years ago, as
I shrivel and die, Um, but I did read Pride
and Prejudice, and um, I kind of it kind of

(54:41):
missed me. And then in reading your piece about it
that you wrote, um, and then in in reading the script, honestly,
I really like I saw it out again and I
watched the movie again, which I of course watched when
it came out, and enjoyed like I would watch any
movie that has Oscar Buzz or any movie with Cure
and Nightley. I do love her, um, but I've really

(55:02):
found myself enjoying it more and more and more, and
like your script too. I I've just enjoyed so much
because what I love about it and what I'm so
excited for everyone to see is that it's extremely truthful
to the experience of being on Fire Island and the
experience of being I think UM a gay man and

(55:23):
a group of gay friends, and especially UM a gay
man and a group of gay friends that's been a
group of friends for a long time, and there's been
changes to that. It does feel like that mapping of
the forgive me but chosen family onto the actual family
really tracks, and UM, it's just gonna be really fun.
And I don't I just don't know that we've had

(55:44):
like a definitive and not that it has to be
definitive at all. It doesn't and it's not trying to be.
But I think it will be really fun to have
this movie take place here because there's history in the
story that we're telling, and there's a so history and
the place we're telling it. So I think it's really exciting, Jollie,
And I'm really happy for you. I'm proud of you.

(56:06):
I'm very excited. It is the it's the biggest thing
to ever happen in my life. And I'm nervous and
i'm scared, but I'm mostly I'm mostly really excited, you know,
like I, this is the year of it is the year,
and I refuse to accept otherwise I will get everything
I want. I will get every single fucking thing that

(56:26):
I want. Yeah, baby, you deserve it. Um. Well then
right after that, you're gonna go, what shoot your fucking
show loot with mya Rootolf? What is yes? Three three
days after we wrap, I start shooting that show. Um,
which is not Apple. It is on Apple. It is
Stars my Rootolf, it's Alan Yang. Um. I don't think

(56:47):
I'm speaking out of turn when I say that they
wrote the part for me, which is really awesome. Um.
There's lines about being gay and Asian and from Illinois
in the side. So I read it and I was like, well,
if I don't book the then there's a problem. We
have a bigger problem than you find out. Then everyone

(57:08):
gets really mad. Um. But yeah it was it was
a lot, and um, I really needed it because I
was really coming down from a lot of molly when
I found out, Um, I was coming down. Here's the
fun peek behind the curtain. When I shot my episode
of I Carli completely in a colmdown just actually I

(57:29):
believe what what what was that? After? What what if
that was that after because I think that was after
that was after my friend Chris's thirtieth birthday in San Diego,
which is the Florida of the US justice. It is incredible.
We tried to play volleyball. We tried to play volleyball
on the beach, and the straight reaction to a bunch
of game men playing volleyball was such that it was

(57:49):
like it was either people making fun of us or
people being like, oh my god, yes, yes, go for it, Yes,
it is okay. What you're doing is okay. So it's okay,
we're playing fucking volleyball. You freeze just to drive home
like that that San Diego is the Florida of the

(58:10):
West coast, like are there jet skis there? Then then
it might specifically be the Tampa of the West Coast,
which higher praise I cannot give. Yeah, and the West
Coast needs a Tampa, that's for sure. Every coast needs
a Tampa, Every coast needs a Tampa. Well you know,

(58:31):
actually famously, the Gulf Coast has a Tampa, and then
I guess the East Coast really doesn't. What's the Tampa
of the East Coast might be? By the time I
get there anyway. You can make anything, Tampa, I truly can't.
I've never been on a jet ski. What okay? Um,
speaking of jet skis, have you been watching Loki? Okay?

(58:55):
And this is this is this I wanted to touch
on with you have not, but not only but that's
only because I've sort of been traveling a lot, and
like I don't have my I don't have Disney Plus
on my computer. I guess I could obviously easily log
onto it, but I kind of want to watch it,
like in the comfort of my own home on my
Apple TV Plus. Can you sort of explain to me
in the readers about Loki being bisexual and how does

(59:20):
this connect with the themes of the piece. I don't
think why he by it is not connected. I think
it just tracks with the character. He's, um, you know,
a trickster god and as we know bisexuals trick people
they are. It's actually should I make that real culture?

(59:42):
But he's really Coach number fifty four bisexual sexual chat
trickster um Ja. That's in the rule, Megan, Megan McCain,
if you're out there, that's in the rule. Oh, I
see I see her off screen. She's shaking her head.

(01:00:02):
Now she threw her she threw her pen on the ground.
It is not a pet, it's a quill anyway. Um, anyways, Yeah,
it doesn't have anything. It doesn't have anything to do
with the plot. He mentions like fucking guys and girls
and and it's that's that's it. That's that's literally it

(01:00:23):
alright interesting and so I think it's one of I
think texturally it feels much different than anything else in
the m c U because you know, they have the
house style. I think that like, there are a lot
of fun um characters in it. I think there's a
lot of fun performances in it. I think Owen Wilson
is a lot of fun in it. I think there's
there's an iconic character named Miss Minutes in it that

(01:00:45):
is voice Miss Minutes, Babe, and she is voiced by
one terror Strong. Like you've gotta get into it, Google,
What how do you solve a problem? Like? I think easily.
I think you just keep giving her parts because something
is gonna work. And I actually think she was incredible
on the Morning Show. And also, readers, if you haven't

(01:01:06):
watched Beyond the Lights, you gotta watch Beyond the Lights
incredible and beyond. If I love Gina Princepice, but I'll
have everything she does very fun in Miss Sloan. If
you've seen that, we have not found we have not
found a home for Google. And I don't think it's
low key. I don't think it's low key. We still
need to try, like we are. She is the glass

(01:01:29):
Slipper and we are traveling around the television landscape trying
to find the correct genre and roll for Google. You know,
maybe Google is just a character actress that we see
plugged in places. I mean, there could be worse things.
Laura Dern was that for many years and then all
of a sudden she became Laura Dern. Maybe we're just
far away from the Google song's Yeah, I think we'll

(01:01:53):
get there. I mean, she looks, she looks incredible, she
looks like she has an aged today. She's she's a beautiful,
beautiful woman, shocking. So what does she do in the show.
She's sort of a boss. She's like the boss of
Owen Wilson. She is, yeah, at a middle manager. She's
a middle manager, which again feels like sort of a

(01:02:14):
way so that she does get some action. It's fun
to see Google in action. It's fun to see her,
see her wheeled a sword. You know, you love to
see Google wheel a sword. Sure, hate to pivot this
harshly away from Google and maybe the fact that I
am is telling. But um, would we fuck Owen Wilson
in it? Absolutely? Yeah? I would. I would almost always

(01:02:34):
fuck him. Yeah, depressed or not depressed, it doesn't matter.
I would. I would fuck Owen Wilson, And I thought
that way. You know. A sexually formative memory for me
is the bathtub scene in Shanghai. NW. I literally knew
you were going to say that, because that was probably
we You were what, uh fourteen? Um, if you were fourteen,

(01:02:57):
I was slightly older, But I think I was younger
than that because I had I had never seen myself
reflected on screen an Asian, a hot Asian man in
a bathtub naked with a hot white man, you know,
and that is my experience, that is my lived experience,
and it was so beautiful for me to see that
reflected back to me. Honest. Do you think that Jackie

(01:03:19):
Chan got um hate d M s um from being
photographed filmed, even in a bathtub with a white man.
I think he probably did. I think he probably did.
I think he probably invented Instagram. People invented Instagram so
that just so that they could d m Jackie Chan

(01:03:39):
about that scene and Chann m hm m hm hm hmmm.
Where is Jackie now? You know what? I don't know,
too old for all of it. He he was in
a movie recently called Like the Foreigner, which is unfortunate. Um, yeah,
it is not. It's it's sort of not where you
want to see Jackie Chan now, but um he is.

(01:04:00):
He's still kicking it. He's still He's still around, still
kicking it. Yeah, like he kicks a cinder block right
in half, and so many of his films. Anyway, what
else are you watching? Can I tell you? This is
one reason why I'm really upset that Bowen couldn't log
on is because he has been getting really into in Treatment.

(01:04:23):
And have you watched In Treatment? I saw this on
Bowen Story and I thought to myself, I should watch
in Treatment, but instead I turned on CBS is Evil instead.
Oh God, I never want to watch something on CBS,
even The Good Wife. The Good Wife, I would watch
Slash get into and I would even do that with

(01:04:43):
the Good Fight. But I just feel like it is
too many episodes of too long. We have tied the
point now where you tell somebody that is seven seasons
and twenty two episodes per season, and it's untenable. It's
what am I supposed to do? Unless there's another pandemic,
unless there's an they shutdown there. No one's doing that,
No one but the Baby. I can really, I can

(01:05:05):
barely get through uh limited series ten episodes like and
and that's long to me now now it's like I
need things to be six or seven and in a
hot forty six minutes like ms Mayer. But nowadays it's
like and I could never I think The Good Wife
is the last prestige show that was like on network

(01:05:25):
twenty four episodes of a full length our show that
people are like, you could still watch this and enjoy.
No one's watching loss now. No, people are not doing it.
No you do. You need to have Pat Regan on
to talk about manifest But you know what, you know
what really secured me of my attention span recently that
I uh that I watched um is Stephen Universe. Have

(01:05:48):
you seen what is that Stephen Universe is? It's a
cartoon by Rebecca Sugar it is. The episodes are eleven
minutes long, if that okay, And it starts out, it's
seems very simple, it seems like very trophy. It is
like you you watch the first episodes and they sort
of drop you in to the middle of the story.

(01:06:08):
It's about a little boy who is a gem and
then his three like aunt figures who are also gems,
and they protect the world. And it's like if you've
seen sailor Moon, you you get the vibe almost immediately,
and it just is so brilliant. How over the course
of five seasons they layer in little bit by bit
and you really you think you're watching a standalone show.

(01:06:29):
You think you're watching sort of like an adventure time
like nonsense, Like every episode is self contained and it's
and it restarts and the steaks we started each episode.
But you've slowly realized that this show is like building
upon its own more until a point at which by
the end of it it is one of It is
one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen. And

(01:06:51):
there's a movie, and there's music. The voice talent on
the show, Patty Lapone, Nicki Minaj Amy Man, this is crazy.
A cell is one of the main voice actors, and
the show is queer as hell. There are so many
trans allegories in it. There are literal lesbians on the show.
Step and how do we watch the It's on HBO Max. Okay,

(01:07:16):
I love that, know, And now you're talking my my
language speaking go well, I was gonna say, speaking HB Max.
I got to watch Space Jam two early what because
to save our son, Joel, I screamed, you need to
win this game and get our son back. I was,

(01:07:42):
By the way, that is so Nicol Martin Green from
Star Trek Discovery committing all the way. She's from the
Sarah Paulson's school of bad script and full commitments. She
serves every inch of this playing Lebron's life. So Space
Gym two is pretty much exactly Space Gym one, but

(01:08:04):
you drag and drop like all new references for the
old one. So it's like the it's it's it's just
it's it's just so funny because it's literally the same.
But it was fun I guess, I mean. And the
reason I watched it is because, and this is my
announcement to the readers, um, I'm gonna be hosting HBO

(01:08:24):
Max movie Club, which is a podcast presented by My
Heart and HBO Max, which is going to feature me
and some special guests. Perhaps we're even looking at one
um talking about movies that are on the HBO Max
platform that are coming out that are classic movies on
the platform. I'm actually doing. Um do you like Keanu Reeves? Okay,

(01:08:48):
so maybe you'll come on from my Kiano episode that
I'm doing. Um. So they want to do an all
key a new episode, so it's gonna be like Point
Break Matrix speaking you know, all the girls that are
on the platform. So maybe you'll come on from my
Kiano episode because I was gonna have Joe Kim on
to talk about the movie Freaky because one thing I

(01:09:09):
said to these people. So basically, it's like I'm watching
all these movies and then hosting with comedian friends of
mine or like you know, people from that that actually
made the movie. It's gonna be really really cool actors, directors, whatever,
and it starts very soon. Um. But I told them
when they asked me to do the gig, I was like,
just so you know, it's like a thing. I cannot

(01:09:31):
watch scary movies, like oftentimes even suspense thrillers like I
can't really get through because it makes me too anxious.
And I told them this and then they were like,
it's fine, nothing on the list is too scary, and
then they go, okay, so week two is going to
be freaky. Flashback to when you and I were at
Jared's house and you guys, I think, tricked me, like

(01:09:52):
like by some bisexuals. It was always always, always in
the plan, no specifically to watch well all all I
know is it was on for I think about forty
five seconds before I left the house. I was like,
I cannot do this. You actually you were there for
longer than forty five minutes. You got up and you
second and behind the couch, behind the couch a distance away,

(01:10:17):
several yards away, around a corner, and you watched the
opening uh scenes of Freaky from around a corner. I
got the funk out of there, despite the fact that
both of them told me if you leave, we're gonna
be really mad, and I was like, well, I'm it's
it's worth it to get into fight with my friends
then to sit here because I don't know what it

(01:10:38):
is readers, I really and it's not like it's hasn't
always been like this. I think just I just get
really anxious watching scary movies. I don't know what it is.
And you're talking to someone who loves haunted houses. I've
been skydiving, like I do quote unquote scary stuff. I mean,
I'm out here in the world, uh you know, and
I just but I told him. I was like, I

(01:10:59):
really can't dose scary movies. And then they were like, okay,
well the second week is freaky, and I was like, okay, well,
I know exactly who to get on someone that's seen
the movie and watched what happened to me when I
tried to watch it. But now that episode is postponed
and they want to do a Kiano episode instead. So
I'm happy to hear that you love Kiano because you'll
come up and we can watch much of You About Nothing,
one of my favorite Kiana Reeves and it's complicated. Oh yeah,

(01:11:25):
little known Kanu vehicle. That would be really funny is
if we did a Kiana Reeves episode, but we didn't
do the Matrix or John Wick or any of his
big nas. We did much Ado About Nothing, and it's
and it's complicated. And this is like earlier in his
career when he could like sort of and I say,
this would love barely act and it wasn't like part
of it yet. It was like there was like Kiano

(01:11:48):
in the beginning, like they were giving him rolls and
they were like, oh, he'll like learn to act, and
then he never did and everyone was like, but now
it's part of it. But in the beginning of his career,
I remember he was in Dracula and he says the
word Europe like you rope, and it's iconic. I watched
it in high school and I loved it and I
love Kiana. So but anyway, it's great that I get
to tell you all that I'm doing this podcast, which

(01:12:09):
I hope you listened to as well. It'll be really fun.
Of course, I am qualified to do this as someone
who was once told by Bowen Yang that I maybe
should think about getting a letterboxed. So this is me
now hosting um letter box. What is letterbox? I think
it's just for for facts to sort of jump on
and review ship. Okay, you know the reason I was

(01:12:33):
talking about this was because the first episode is Space
Gym two. That's why I was talking about it. So
that's how I got to see Space Gem two early.
I'm so glad you found it. I'm so glad that
was sick. Back to this. So at this point in

(01:12:57):
the episode, about an hour and sixteen minutes is and
is when I say Bowen, shouldn't we do? I don't
think so, honey, and he usually says yes. So now
I'm gonna say to you ju Kim, should we do?
I don't think so, honey. Um, yes, I guess. I'm
still I'm still unclear about what mine is gonna be
again melatonin. I was asked to do this at the

(01:13:17):
last minute. I'm in a cold, I'm in a weird headspace.
Everybody has to just chill out. Everybody just chill out.
I don't think that you're going to get negative feedback
for I don't think you possibly could. I mean, think
about what a higher on you're doing. The movie, you
got this show with Maya, you got um fucking you're
You're You've survived the gay cold, You've got San Francisco

(01:13:40):
friends who are cooler than the ones you had before.
I mean, so much is going well for you, and
you're also going to get to hear my I don't
think so, honey, which, of course is going to happen first,
as it always does. You know, I don't think so honey.
Yes is one minute sort of rampt really fevered manner
of speech where um Bowen and I and a guest

(01:14:01):
and tonight Joel and I go off in quotes as
the kids say, on an item of culture that we
don't like very much. And today I was talking to
some gaye in a group threat and I realized that, Um,
there's something in the culture that's been happening since the
beginning of live performance that I don't think, so honey,
and so I'm thrilled to present it to you today. Okay,

(01:14:25):
Matt Rogers, I don't think so honey. Time starts now.
I don't think so honey, standing ovations which sit the
funk down. I cannot see over your fucking head, which
is now so high. You need to get in your seat.
That's why it's there. What is that good that you
need to stand for? I don't think so honey, standing
up and like clapping because guess what not everyone around

(01:14:49):
you wants to do that, and now you forced them
to because it's custom. I don't think so honey. At
the con Film Festival, whenever something is half good. It
gets a ten minute standing ovation. That movie a Net
with Driver and Marion Cotillard. It was reported that it
got over six minutes standing ovation. Bitch Pierre's need to
sit the funk down? Okay, if I wanted to see
a bunch of racist clap I would go to a

(01:15:10):
fucking Toby Keith concert, which is a joke. I said
and said group Chat today, which got zero likes, which
is a bummer because I actually thought it was pretty
good and so were repeating it here on the podcast.
I don't think so, honey, standing ovations. I want to sit.
My thighs hurt, my calves hurt, and most importantly, my
feet hurt. So I don't want to stand on him.
I don't think so, honey. And that's one. How do

(01:15:34):
you feel about that? I feel great about that. And
you know, I love I love when it's about culture,
you know, I love when it's of the culture. You know,
you have a lot of notes when it's not. I
do you know. I'm a purist. I think it should
be something related to film television movies, dance. Dance is
a big one film television movies, dance. Yeah, I agree,

(01:15:57):
I mean, you know, what if someone slays a dance,
you can stand ovation for them. But that's really all.
But I think my I don't think so honey is
not going to be directly related to you're gonna go
against your own rules. Well, you know I famously did
I don't think so honey. When you far in, a
little bit of calm comes out. Yeah, I remember you
did that in front of my parents. Yeah, and that
was one of my most iconic I don't think so honeys,

(01:16:19):
and it did not pass me through to the Yeah,
that was the iconic Readers. Some of you who have
joined the process of listening to this podcast late and
might not know that Bowen and I once didn't I
don't think so honey competition at Clusterfest in San Francisco
that was judged by Alaska thunder Fucking Drinks months soon,
and I thought they really flopped in their decision making

(01:16:39):
when they did not pass through ji Ki and Booster,
who said I don't think so honey. When you fart in,
a little bit of comm comes out in front of
my father Richard, my mother Katrina, and my sister Chelsea
Ryan who speaking of standing ovations, your dad stood up. Yeah,
I think that. I think that they all really liked it.

(01:17:02):
I'm incredible with parents. Yeah, they love you. Um, and
I'll tell them that you said hello, even though you didn't.
I always say hello to Tina. Her name is Trina.
I know I'm kidding. I'm kidding coaching Tina, coach and Trina. Um.
Joel thinks I'm from New Jersey more than he thinks
I'm from Long Island. I think he. I think he

(01:17:24):
think right now. Yeah, okay, um, okay. So, on this
episode of I Don't Think So Honey that has been
so kindly saved by Joel Kim, Um, I am honored
to sort of flip the phone in his direction, um
and press start for what will be a thrilling I

(01:17:46):
don't Think so Honey from one of the best um
robbed on the Clusterfest competition of I Don't Think so Honey,
and here he is everyone, It's Joel Kim Booster and
his I don't Think so Honey starts now. I don't
Think so Honey. Long text messages. I do not want
to see a wall of text pop up on my phone.
That little ding that my phone does it is for

(01:18:08):
tiny little messages. Where are you b r B. What
are you doing? You want to come over? That is it? Honey?
If I have to scroll through my phone to read
the entirety of the message, I don't think so, honey.
Bring that wall down. Make it an email. Okay. If
you have to put paragraph indentations in your text message,

(01:18:30):
it is too long. Is I have to scroll? It's
too long? If I even break it up, break it
up into smaller chunks. Even it's less aggressive to see
a smaller chunk of a text. These messages were not
meant to be long, Okay. I am like the fucking Jericho.
Bring the wall down, Mr Gorbachev. I do not want

(01:18:54):
to see the wall. That is the quote, and I
am leaving it there. Stop sending long test messages. Making
a phone call, and that's one minute. I disagree making
a phone call. I almost never want to get on
the phone. I don't like talking on the phone. But
but I will say this, you must love my texting
because it's a lot of short things. Sometimes sometimes I'll

(01:19:15):
just be like, I'll just like, if I were texting
right now what I'm saying, it would be truly eight text.
Like the word like will be its own text for me.
So I'm really happy that that. I love seeing a
cluster of of of white. I love or blue. I
love seeing a cluster. I love seeing a cluster of white.
Joel Kim Booster, fresh off of vacation, drag him. I

(01:19:40):
love seeing a cluster of white. That um cluster of white.
Has good news ever been communicated in a long text message? Edifying?
Ever been? Ever been? It's usually someone who's like, I
just want to be honest with you. Whenever I'm sending
a a a something over text, it all has to

(01:20:03):
be one because I don't want to give them the
opportunity to interject. So I think that's why you see
a long text message happened because I want all the
information to come out before I get sort of derailed, sidetracked, misunderstood,
um by someone interjecting mid text. But so I think

(01:20:24):
that's why you sort of may receive like an email
times them from people don't defend him? Is this maybe
there is this what happened a couple of hours ago? No? No, no, no,
that was professional. Oh well, I'm I'm trusting that you
figured it out. Yeah, you have to meet people where
they are period. Um. Well, listen, I've learned a lot.

(01:20:48):
I feel we did exchange words on the culture. I
have to say that this was edifying, educational. You taught
people about um what did teach about before? Again, I
don't know. I'm not know its tone in bitch listen.
I feel like you didn't make a catch phrase with me.
I feel like you didn't use any of the catch phrases.
We did so many rules of culture. I feel like

(01:21:10):
you didn't say you understand. I feel like you didn't
say you didn't create, You didn't create new vernacular with
me like that, dragging me. I think that this episode
is gonna be one of the best. I think people
are going to be like wow, to know to know
what what the girls are capable of when tragedy befalls,
and let me just say what happened to Bowen? Bowen

(01:21:32):
is often the Dominican Republic for reasons I don't think
I can disclose, but but they're good reasons. They're very
cool reasons, and good reasons. Um and wouldn't you believe it,
the WiFi at his hotel in the d R not
so great, and so he sort of hopped on and
we sort of got very um uh sort of bow

(01:21:53):
and Yang is frustrated energy with the with the WiFi,
and I said, you know what, I'm just gonna nip
this in a bud right now and calls one that
I know at least was available before because they asked
me to hang out, and that was you, Joe Kim.
And I'm so happy that I did, because not only
did I get to spend time with my sister, but
I got to provide the readers with an excellent episode

(01:22:14):
hosted by co mosted by one of our great minds.
Can I tell you a story really quickly that the
Dominican Republic just reminded me of because our friend, our
friend Bowen isn't the Dominican republican the Jamaican Republic, and
one of my friends, Sandra Bolick, is also in the
Domaican Republic right now, and she somehow is now friends

(01:22:38):
with one of our mutual friends who listened to Iowa
Debury's podcast Iconic Class, where she listened to my episode
of UM where I talk about Sandra Bolick and texted
her a breakdown of what I said in the episode
and whether or not it was right or wrong, all
the questions I asked about Sandy and the one negative

(01:23:00):
thing I said about Sandra Bullock. The one negative thing
I said, I said, the only bad things Sandra Bullock
has ever done is the millions millions. She should not
do voice over work. And she said, in response to that,
your friend Joel is absolutely correct. I fall apart in
the booth, and I've never done it all apart in
the booth. See that is so shocking at me. You

(01:23:23):
think she'd come alive in the booth. No, she needs
another person there. I see it for her, I see it.
You know, I'm gonna say this about myself. I come
alive in the booth. I do too. I love the booth.
I love the booth. I think the booth is a
great place. I think the booth is a place of
great opportunity. So color me shocked to hear that Sandra
Book doesn't like the booth. But maybe she just loves

(01:23:44):
the camera just like it loves her. You know, she
she loves the camera. I think she loves the tactile
nature of acting. She's always touching something, you know. I
think that's the problem. I think that's the problem. Yea.
And what she's touching is our hearts, you know what?
You know what she has that in common with you,
and you were able to reach through the screen. Big

(01:24:06):
things coming, Jolie, Big things can't wait. I've got a
lot of stuff. I I got a lot of big
things waiting for me around New York City. Oh. I
hope that's not um a euphemism. But I also I
hope that's not it's not. I just I have a

(01:24:26):
lot of belongings that I have left over the city
in various storage units. Okay, well, Um, I'll suggest some
people to help you pick those things up. Uh, Joel Kim,
we end every episode with a song, and I want
you to know that last week we sort of iconically
ended with only Hope by Mandy Moore. I remember, um,

(01:24:48):
and so I would sort of like to And that's
the reason we did that is because we mentioned her
during the episode, and so I'd like to sing the
classic tune. Wait, wait, you have to name cousin of
the week. Oh oh oh. The cousin of the week
is really tight between three people. Okay, the cousin of
the week is tight between Danielle stab for Um appearing

(01:25:13):
in the Erica Jaye documentary and claiming to know information
that we're not sure that she knows, and also resembling
a Long Island sort of Tristate area girl that I
know and and and this is the lost Coach, so
I do get to sort of make the decision. And
then the next nominee is um Google and bat Raw
because we don't really know what to do with her,

(01:25:35):
but we know we want her around at all times,
and she is a welcome presence, not a sister, not
a mother, no, something in the in the in between.
And the third nominee for Cousin of the Week is
of course Hailee Steinfeld because we always love speaking of her.

(01:25:55):
She got accolades from her family and beyond for doing
a goofy act and we're in a big hat and
riding a horse, which you know if a cousin does
that in the family, it's the most hilarious thing, especially
when she's a cute girl voted for Trump and we
end every episode with a song He'm gonna She's a

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cousin of the week. Yeah. Any time we do not
have confirmation that Helly's find pubbled for Trump, it's a
vicious rumor and that that will starting, that it will
exist in Hollywood history. Goodbye, Goodbye,

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