Episode 281 - S13E10 - Spiraling Down - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Did I do it a vive?If we will we won. We were
down at the fourth corner there,buddy, But but I didn't do it
right. Let's go take you tosee the rabbits. Oh listeners, and
welcome to another episode of Law andOrder Special, viewing you at the show
where we view review and loving yourita kill Everyone's favorite cop drama, Law

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and Order Special Victims Unit every episodein a row from the beginning, or
We're gonna kill ourselves. Treat Williamsstyle. I am your host, Matt
Reuter joining me as always, thetreat Williams of this pod. The regular
price to treat Williams of this podcast. That's a viver would side over there?
Hey you know what de night avive. I don't even know who
that whore is. Listen, howare you this week? Matt? I

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just I'm baffled by tonight's episode.It's just it's gotta be same. I'm
just spinning. I'm like, whatthe fuck is happening here? No,
I'm gonna be so we last weekrecorded was before Memorial Day. Now it's
after Memorial Day, so we hadan Did you have a long week?
I hope you did. I didhave a long weekend. I did.
I did some barbecue in. Thereyou go, the all all American way
to spend a memorial date. No, it was great. Cassie and I

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got out backpacking, first time we'vebeen out backpacking in quite a while,
so that was how about it nice? Got to break in all of our
backpacking gear. That was the replacementgear that all got stolen, so there
you go. It all performed verywell. That was very nice. Got
to see a Mariners game as well, which was also a lot of fun.
I was against the Yankees and theYankees destroyed the Mariners, which was
not as fun, but always goodtime going out to the ballpark there,

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so taking you taking some out ofthe ball games. But how are you
doing a be other than you didsome barbecue in. I did some barbecuing.
I so quick Rubinstein recommends. Okay, So there is a fast food
shame called Jolie Be. It lookslike jolly Be, like a happy Bee.

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Okay, sure, jolie Be.And it is a Filipino chicken restaurant.
And there's one so close to myhouse. I pass it all the
time. I've never been to aJulie Bee. Our listener Sony Missio superfan
Sony Missio has recommended Julie B tome because she is Filipino and you never
gotten around to going today first timebaby. Watching the second half of this

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episode eating my Chicken Joy, JulieBee is delicious, room Stein recommends,
but up, Okay, well thereyou guess. I was thinking about saving
him for the snacker wack. Iwas gonna say, I'm surprised you didn't
take full advantage of well the chicken. The chicken was hot. Well fair
enough? Did you stop watching theepisode halfway through to get the Julie B.

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I had to. I had totake the end of work and I
got on the way back because wheneveryou texted me that you started the episode,
I was like, how the That'swhy. I was like, yeah,
just let me know what you're readyimaging. And we passed the Joliebe
on the way to work, andI thought I was like just driving to
myself, being like, today's themotherfucking day, Today's Jolie day. I'm
meeting Jolie B. So yeah,Rust recommends Jolie. But well, there

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you go. Very glad to hearthat of you. Okay, So tonight
we're gonna be viewing and reviewing andlovingly vi of heuling lawn or wool.
Lovingly is is fading? It's likeit's like Marty McFly excellently stopping his parents
from fucking fading from the picture.I mean the fact that this week's episode
is called spiraling Down. I'm like, boy, the irony well because they

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couldn't call it sundowning because they wouldn'thave enough letters, Because it's like every
episode has to have thirteen letters inthe title. Now is that what is
the letters? I thought it wasjust the two words. No, No,
words are add up to thirteen lettersand next season it'll be like fourteen.
Um. Okay, So before wedo that, a little trip to

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the mail bag. Yes, sowe have some gum mail that I am
pulling up right now. Oh boy, okay, here we go. So
the first email is entitled fuck yeah, but the fuck in the yazz is
spelled out yeah, Leroy Jenkins style. Yeah, I think you should get
a job here. And it's alink to THEO Chocolate in Seattle. Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, I think Ithink I sent you a THEO Chocolate
thing once and you were like youyeah, So there you go. There
you go, Fulbertso thank you forthat, and then follow up with that
later in the same day. Fulbertorights again. Sorry one more email today,
rip to private dancer. I can'teven remember why this was a thing,

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but I am I wrong in recallingthis was a thing on the podcast.
You are not wrong. Bravate dancerdance of I don't know its signed
Fulberto parentheses public dancer, public dancer. So there you go. Williams gets
in trouble for public dancing in thisepisode. What you want me to do?

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You know what I don't hear alot about is like NFL players just
wandering in places. You're just pullingtheir dick out. Where this guy the
only symptom of CTE is well,not as a result of CTE, I
just it. He's like, ohmy god, he's got CTE. He
just can't keep his fucking pants on, just keeps pulling his dick out,
and someone gets the pants on thatguy staying there in court, the judges

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like, sir, put your fuckingdick away. But no, you are
completely competent to stand trial. Iassure you. Uh so meo miya Sophia
writes in an email entitled MRI Machinesrights, Matt Davive, keep giving Matt
shit, Matt navieve, I'm finishingthe last season of Er. This is

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what was was before me. Ilaughed and then remembered having this conversation.
I've attached a photo for your enjoymentLife Crime. So if you if you
recall Matt made the foolish, foolisherror of saying, presses the button of
Eve, who who stands in there? Who stays in there with the patient?
These are the questions that I had, the most foolish, foolhardy error

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that I ever happened on the show. That you know, you just had
to be behind the glass if youhad some metal or something. Magnetic field
is not infinite, all right,you press the button, not everything in
the hospital comes to you. Sothere's clearly a range on these things.
MRI machines are just the mini blackholes, right, That's not what they
are my understanding of them, atleast all right, So she includes a

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screenshot from season fifteen, episode sixof ER, where I guess that I
guess you there are plastic gurneys becausethere's like a gurney trying to get sucked
into the butthole of an MRI machine, and the subtitle says, you didn't
switch the gurneys. Again, I'mnot saying, yeah, bring a fucking
metal gurnie in there and see whathappens. That's not what I'm saying.

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This is, by the way,the way it goes. Anytime I've ever
made a bet with Matt a kindthat swear I got, I'm gonna do
something to injure myself just so Ican get a fucking m R. I
be like, all right, sir, all right, motherfucker, you tell
me, I'm gonna I've hit somemetal somewhere on my body. They seem
it gets pulled out of me,like like fing x man or some shit

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Like I'm like that scene in BetterCall Saul I've ever watched. Well,
never mind, it's a good scene, y'all know what I'm talking about.
The listeners are cackling right now atmy amazing joke. Next up is from
listener ob Deal. We think obDeal writes in, Yeah, I don't
know what Abdal writes in. Ican confirm that the girl in the episode

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with what's what's the title of theemail a eve as a one hundred percent
Puerto Rican. I fucking love you, ab deal never changed as a one
hundred percent Puerto Rican. I canconfirm that the girl in the episode with
the Puerto Rican girl, I canconfirm she does not have the hair of
a Puerto Rican. Yeah, sheis the hair of a Scotch Japanese woman,

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Scotch Korean. Also, you guysguessed it, Amanda Ron's isn't a
fucking Italian? Guys? What Imean? I remember the joke that we
made, but she marries one inseason twenty four. That's Sunny Carisi,
right they get did they? Ithink so together Roleisi. Well, Carrissi
is a pretty Italian name. Soanyway, us to two instances in eleven

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seasons does not necessarily mean she hasa type, But it doesn't mean she
doesn't have a type prior to leavingsfor you to become a college professor and
a crime analyst. So remember,guys, if you need help in telling
if someone is Puerto Rican, I'myour guy. Thank you up. Deal.
We're going to start a new bitcalled Puerto Rican question mark. Yeah,

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yeah, every so every time weentro character Puerto Rican question mark.
Amanda Rollins Puerto Rican question mark,No, no, it turns out as
Puerto Rican. All right. Sonext up, Matt last week asked what
Amanda was was planting in her planterbox, and we got an answer,

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I can, I can bang itout. Swiss shards, spinach, snap
peas and a beam, blueberries,strawberries, pine berries, raspberries, lapino
plants. This week cucumbers, tomatoes. She made her own fire pit.
Hell yeah, brother, that's that'sthat sounds up to code. Yeah,

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and uh yeah, cooked some smoresand some brots, so over the fire
and there you go. Yeah,and some pictures that you set along of
the whole garden set up. Soagain, thank you, Manda. My
garden's coming along nicely as well.Not as nice as yours, but uh
very nice, very excited to seeall that. It's it's growing season.
So the next email we have isfrom deal again. Okay, so what

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what's happening here? Man? Thisis the scene where Craigan is when they
bring Craigan in for whatever he isframed for Mercy to send him a fucking
autopsy. Yeah. So no,just like the forensic that we see the
shops like, it's like, ohyeah, I guess she's given him the

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rape kit. Yeah, I wasgonna say, like she's collecting evidence and
such, so yeah, Abi willsent us ten screenshots just pictures of television
Dan Flor's Pepperoni nipples. Who ismy new trivia team? Name? Rights,
email, title, comrades? Y'allon point? First of all,

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that's how you pronounce my name?Okay, great, I'm deal great,
there you go on the on themain course. Here is a sneak peek
at next season of SVU. Also, if my writing is off, sorry,
the mix of Spanish and English iswreaking havoc on my phone's keyboard.
Sorry for your loss of sanity.It was nice while lasted. Well,
we've been insane for quite some time. So thank you for the email ib

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deal. Thank you for the emaila'b deal. And maybe that's why Lily's
typos are happening too. Sure,let's go to that, hey all right?
Next up is from listener rose akaj gs rose a kaa ka ka
Miss Rosemary NYC. She says,I win Snacker Whack. I'm dying and

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everyone else no one lived wins atSnacker Whack. Believe me, we all
lose. See see Rose, Roseand I we have a connection, she
says, I'm dying. Everyone elsemisunderstanding the assignment. But maybe the fans
hate the season of SPU and whatshe'd a pivot to a sm artistry.

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With all these eating sounds you couldtake. You could make a mint on
YouTube. You know what's hilarious becauseit seems like and correlation does not cause
a shitty v VI realized. Butart numbers since we started doing snacker Whack
have gone down significantly. Yes,they certainly have, you know so,
I'm just saying, and yet wepersevere. No, no, no,

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wait, what's the sweet shit?You You are the one that is making
this happen. We're partners, shesaid, we were brothers, right,
yeah, yeah. She goes on. Squirrel man sounds like a Rol Timothy
Dreadwell type. He'll protect those squirrelsat all costs. But perhaps they do
not appreciate his interference with a squirrelemoji and a skull emoji. Nobody should

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watch the video of the man beingeaten by squirrels. No one should see
this. Also, did these brilliantwriters fuck up Get against Get again by
pronouncing it romany through the episode.I looked up a bunch of YouTube videos,
and nearly everyone Romani. Yeah.I looked up a bunch of YouTube
videos, and nearly everyone, includingpeople actually from the culture, say Romani,

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good job ding dog. Well,I wonder if that's supposed to be
to demonstrate just how dumb they arethat they mispronounce it. Yeah, I
think it's I think it's Dean Winters'sbrother, what's up romany Well, it's
also I think that could be acharacter choice because we already know he hates
the Romani anyway, so he's justslack yeah, and hates being getting his
brother's sloppy set. Uh signed toDJ baby box Joy. Thank you Rose

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Rose, Thank you Rose Rose,Thank you Rose. And that's all the
gamail that's fits a gamail to leave. Do we have any Twitter? We
certainly do. Oh god, Idon't like that setup one bit, not
one bit of beef. Peggy Annsays, I stopped watching these episodes a
while ago. Prior to listening toyou guys, Vive talked about the crystal
ball at the beginning of the episodeLost Traveler. It already sounds hello problematic,

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and it was don't you worry checkthat box. It was all right.
Andre H. Pollock says, getused to the scrapple episodes. This
era of SVU loves to remix multiplerip from the headlines to create absolutely bonkers
episodes. The classic example is theepisode that maxes Trey von Martin with Paula

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Deane. Um. What in theepisode does the the Poladine woman shoot unclear,
but it's Poladine's fall from grace afterher racism was exposed. YEA,

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but yeah, I don't know ifPoladine murders someone in cold blood, but
the implication is yes, I mean, are you ready? Are you?
Are you? I'm certainly not,but go ahead, we must soldier forward.
She goes on to say, forthis app Lost Travelers, the rit

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from the headlines are the murders ofEton Pats, Jamie Bolger and Leeby Kletzky,
who were Orthodox Jews, and theyswitched them for Romani or Romani in
h in the episode. And Ibelieve this is this is uh, this
is Andrea saying, I believe theBritish journalist was supposed to be Pierce Morgan.

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Yes, Pierce Morgan is the pieceof shit who tookrustrated, who tapped
into people's phones and listened missing teensphones. Yes, yeah, I didn't
even aze I was fucking Piers More. Is that why he gotten canned from
CNN? I don't know, butme fucking neither, And that fucked me
up. Fucked me up so bad. That guy's him class asshole? What

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the fuck was Pierce Morgan? Dude? Why? What? Why? What
is the real brain melter? LikeI said, man o him just being
like snippy, dickish and British?What else? This sucks so fucking much.
Wasn't he on X Factor or something? Like? I thought he was
like a Simon Cowell type. Ididn't know he was like a news guy.
I got spoiler alert he's not reallyYeah, yeah, yeah, but

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I mean, like my first introductionto him was, like, you know,
not my first introduction was him.Introduction to him rather was whenever he
took over for Larry King when Larrykingment off the air. Oh right,
but that was after I was episodeI no, I think it was right
around that time. I was ingrad school at the time. Oh man,

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yeah, now, I again,I don't remember. I vaguely remember,
like the hacking thing, but thedetails are very, very fuzzy.
And obviously I didn't know. Ididn't. Wow. Okay, ay,
right. Lastly, but not leastly, in honor of Ted Lasso's finale airing
today, have you watched any ofseason three? I have? Is it

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good? I've heard it's not.It's better than season two. I like
season two. Well, then thisis better than that. I don't know
if I trust you, though.Okay, You're the only one that I've
heard say that season three is good. Everyone else has just been like,
not necessarily that it's well, right, I get that, all right.

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Well, in honor of so wesaid, I mentioned offhand that the British
journalist who taps the dead kid's phoneis like a Trent Krim wanna be right,
and at Superfan filled with says,Gavin Lee does sort of feel like
he could play Trent Krim's brother orsomething. But maybe I'm the only one
who sees it clearly not I alsosee it Trent Krim Independent the Independent.

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No, because at the end ofseason two he stops working for the Independent,
and then they just say, TrentKrim Independent, Come on, man,
really show really showing your your asson the Lasso verse. All right,
So before we before we get intothe episode proper. It's time for
hour. I guess this is likea Patreon but but just my venmo,

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the venmo source snack or why somuch? So this is Amanda second okay
trail, I'm t here we go. So this is snack two or doing
snack two. Snack two, okay, snack two from Amanda. Here's snack

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number two. I mean, here'sfor example, for how much you hate
this. I love as seriously becauseyou want to whip it's it's a it's

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a potato chip, seemingly of somekind, but I don't know, I
mean, is it that's that's whatit sounds like to me. It sounds
like a potato chip of some varietyor a chip. It could be a
corn chip. I don't know,but it's it's something in chip form,
and that that all kind of soundsthe same. So this is nonsense.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'mjust gonna go with a regular or potato

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chip. Is that you're finally you'regonna lock that in. Yes, I'm
gonna lock that in a cool ranchdorito. Oh so I that's half a
point I get something for that.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'll give the alf a point again. The chips, they're all like if
if if that versus like a tostitoor a fucking potato. I really feel

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like if you if you, ifyou're doing a chip, you gotta really
you gotta milk that you gotta bemmmmm ranch flavor like who the was?
That's just it's that's it's nay impossibleto be able to fucking do that on
s an a. I gotta dothe ad read are you do? You
like things that taste kind of allthe same? Get any bag of doritos.

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I've never tasted a difference between nachocheese and cool ranch. I fucking
hate doritos, so you know,buy them your kids so then I don't
have to eat them me. Youcan't tell it between a cool ranch and
a nacho cheese torito one hundred percent. No, I don't believe every derito
I've ever had taste the same.I don't you know I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna turn my camera off ofEve and I'm gonna eat a cool ranch

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derito and then I'm not, andyou tell me which one's which. Honestly,
if you have both of those inyour house. I would do that
right now, I don't. Well, now, who's letting the show down?
Matt? I'm just trying to turnthe tables on you a viv see
how you like it. Embrace Ifor one, welcome my robot overlords.

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I'm taking you know, I'm takingthe whole point. Don't that I take
the point. It's my point.Look at me, let me captain Matt.
Yeah, okay, So that's that'sall the mail I can spit to
mail back as always, you canget at us. We're we're an SEU
podcast on Twitter, which is coolas always the official Twitter handle of Cool
Ranch to Ritos. If you cantake that to the bank, the Bloodbank

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seditor and for a longer or weirderstuff or tweets eyes emails because fuck you,
lad must send us an email SpecialViewing Unit at gmail dot com.
And now, without further ado,we are going to be viewing and reviewing
season thirteen episodes two waiting Matt.There is samorado because we have to play
our main game of snack or whyI signed up for two of these per

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fucking episode? This is god damnit, this is this is ludicrous.
This is fucking insane. I loveall right, listeners, he has turned
off his camera. I cannot seeanything, so of Eve is presumably preparing
a snack. Yeah, I'm I'mtaking off of the rapper okay, and

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you know, as blue as yousaid of everyone's comic every comic book is
everyone's first comic books. So whydon't you explain this? Sack? Snacker
whack, thank you? Snacker whackis the game everyone's favorite game where I
turn I sure you eat a snackinto my microphone and Matt has to tell
me what snack I'm eating. Sothis one's for all of the people who

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hate mouth my mouth sound and foreveryone that hates me and likes to hear
me suffer. Yeah, yeah,no, so okay, this was so
okay, Matt, snack, areyou eating anything? Ye? All right,

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you said you have to take itout of some sort of packaging,
I said, rapper, Yeah,I meant this. This is for the
people who hate my mouth sounds,because there are no there's like very little
mouth sounds in this one. Uh. Is it a toutsie roll our toutsie
roll? Yes, like like thetoffee like the Yeah no, okay,

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I got nothing, that's that wasmy guess, and this and this now,
please, I feel like since youtook the point on the last one,
that's earned you a second guess.No, I don't want a second
guess. That's how this works.No, it's not. It's you don't
know how this works. This justdoesn't have to keep or this is my
fucking game that you've made up.There's no rule book here. There was.

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I was not saying exactly instructions,so I get to I get to
say this too. Is I'm theone being tortured by this? I don't.
I didn't hear any packaging opening.I didn't hear any crinkling or anything
like that. Another clue, dude, I don't fuck a brownie of some
kind o homemade banana chocolate chip muffins. Did you buy bananas thinking that you

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were definitely gonna eat them? Youdidn't eat them? Do you do the
thing that everyone does when they haverotting bananas in their house and make banana
bread? You sure? Did?You have a many muffins in? Yes,
you do banana chocolate chip muffins.It's like, hey, who do
we have this in the house?Is it gonna start to smell soon?
Throw it in the oven, bananachocolate chip muffins. Like a trash bag

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for your mouth. Your mouth wouldbe the trash bag, like trash that
goes in your mouth bag. Ugh, trash bag could be a dental damn,
you'll say dental damn. That's good. And whatever listeners we had left

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just that's it swinging from the raptorjust and they're just floating away. This
week's episode up Snack or Whack.Listeners, please please write in and stop
this. If you if enough ofyou right in, we could end this
bit. If you bring our numbersdown to zero, then I could do

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whatever I want. I'll be trulyfree. Right then, we'll both be
free because we'll just stop to thepodcast fucking. So, now that that
riveting piece of podcasting is complete,we're gonna move on to the main event,
which is viewing and reviewing Season thirteen, episode ten of SVU entitled Downward
Spiral. Right after this, damn, we're back, and as we said

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before the break, we're gonna beviewing and reviewing Season thirteen, episode ten
of SVU entitled Downward Spiral. Justa reminder to our listeners, all these
episodes are available to watch on Huluand Peacock. We recommend that you watch
them before we hears break it down. There is some moments in this one
that what do you mean it's Iwould watch this episode. It's it's sad

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ultimately and like like pretty bizarre,but like it's also hilarious at the same
time, what do you mean it'sjust because it's so one note and it's
like, sir, just keep justfucking treat Williams alone. The entire first
act, which is a different note, very much so the bridge between the

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two different stories, because here's thething. I didn't give a shit about
what happened in the first half.It's like, I could give a shit,
this is such a generic whatever fuckingstory. But it also was like
how long has what amount of time? Okay, that I did have a
question about, because then there wasa line of like, oh, she's
spending on the straight anyway, Sofor two weeks, for two weeks I
was like, wait, so wasthere wait, holy shit Jesus Christ,
that that happened quickly, uh andferociously, but in the grand but before

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we gan to break it down theepisode in the grandest tradition that we have
on this podcast if you were goingto hit us with a ninety second recap
of what happened to this week's episode, So of Eve, we're gonna put
ninety seconds on the clock. Whydidn't you tell us what the fuck happened
in this week's episode of SVU,Man, how much you hate snacker whack
not enough to get you out ofthe ninety second recaps despite runs deep of

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Eve. Okay, okay, okay, okay, no one can win.
Everyone must lose, everyone must loseit. Okay, you guys, This
girl gets off a bus to asmooth song and like a homeless guy's like,
hey, I need to get onon a bus and she's like,
I don't know, I don't know, man, And then I don't know

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man. And then this other guy'slike you want to step to me and
I'm like no, but he seemsfine, and then so then they're like
in a relationship, and I don'tknow whether that's like the same night or
like later, and then like evenlater, he's like, ah, you
want these five thousand dollars shoes allyour duds? Fuck my friend? Cut
to she's just like getting a fuckingtrain run on her in a motel and

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and then she gets caught. Shelike calls her dad. Her dad goes
to see yamorrow and is like,oh, your wife's definitely cheating on you
with me, so will you helpmy daughter? And he's like jest or
why not? And uh, Andthey do like a sting operation they get
her, and then she's like,oh, yeah, I'll flip on this

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guy that's that's making me turn tricksand and and they do a sting for
like all of the dudes that aren'tfucking this. Like she's like, by
the way, I'm fourteen. I'mlike four fourteen and so okay. So
then they do a sting operation andit's like the eighth dude out of eight
is like a famous football guy.And then when they arrest him, he's

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like, hey, hey, bigfella, I'm a I'm a big football
man. My brain doesn't work.And then the rest of the episode is
he like is sundowning. He definitelyhas CTE. He does not know where
the fuck he is. He haslike a note in his wallet, memento
style, it just his call home, call your wife and uh. And
Andre Brower's back, Captain Raymond Holthimself and he's like I my dad died

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of dementia. So I'm gonna tryto get this rapist off and not get
him off. Get him off,get get him off, get him off,
to get him off, get himno, it's mad. Help me
him in a loop. You getget him off the court, get him
off, get him off in court, get him acquitted. There it is
there, it is there, itis. I offer you no assistance and

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no points. May God have mercyon your soul. So okay. So
then we have like a very orderheavy episode where Adre Brown is like,
Okay, if you're not gonna playby the ball, play with the rules,
I'm gonna just fucking I'm just gonnaembarrass you and make you very publicly
sundown in front of everybody, andlike not know who you are, where
you are, how long you've beenmarried to your wife, or who you

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raped. Oh, by the way, he's like obliquely hits on a Livy.
He's like, I didn't rape hereven though she's so hot, drink
and uh that's it, dick quilthHe's like, oh no, certainly not
it. What I don't want totalking about the church, Just go ahead
and that's fine. Jerry comes backNo Rape Rape three two thousand and three,

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and he's like, great, Idid a great job, and his
wife's like, you absolutely did notdo a great job. Your life and
career is over. And he's like, cool, let me just steal this
CoP's gun and shoot myself in thechest casey Affleck style in Manchester by the
Sea spoiler alert. Glad he doesn'tactually do it. A man just by
the scene, I wish you didthat movie sucked, dick Wolf. Yeah,

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it's bizarre. What is the fuckingpoint of this episode? I don't
especially because they talk about the NFL. They're like, yeah, this NFL
thing's really fucked up, and someone'slike, well, actually they're letting neurologists
work on the field now, soeverything's great. I texted you at like
a note that I had. Itwas verbatim, and it was just it

(30:29):
was in all caps, just likeha ha haha, like for a page
of just hahahaha. This show wantsus to think that the NFL actually gives
a shit about its players or theconcussions. This is the most evil,
corrupt organization on the planet. TheMafia is more chaste than the NFL.
Believe me, folks, if youhave, if you would labor under any
delusion that the NFL gives a fuckabout anything that happens on the field unless

(30:53):
it's somehow making them money, Ican promise you it is a theater.
It is wrong. It is allfor show. So we opened. We
opened with this girl getting off abus in New York. I think she's
in college or something. The actorlooks old enough to be Yeah, but

(31:17):
no, she's fourteen. But no, So this is uh Kay Panna Baker
is the human who plays this character. And she uh you might recognize her
from Cyber Bully, the TV movie, can't I can't say he caught that
one Beverly Hills, Chihuahua three,where she played the voice of Rosa.

(31:41):
What's the subtitle of that one?Viva la Fiesta? Oh that one?
No I saw, I saw red, white, and fabulous. So,
Kay Panna Baker is currently a zoologistsin our life. Suggressive for a fourteen
year old and and in this episodeshe was twenty one. I mean maybe

(32:07):
twenty depending on and yeah, Imean it's it's odd twenty one. The
fucking she's wearing the coat and I'mlike, this looks like a high school
letterman's jacket. But I don't understandwhat exactly that what is, but it's
never established why is she there?The letterman's jacket thing. I took as
like she's on like a volleyball tripor like she's like there for a tournament.

(32:31):
I was really reading into this jacketthing, but no, it's just
turns out, no, just justshe's It's the classic instance of smooth jazz
playing when a fucking doe ied idiotsteps off the fucking bus and gets uh
fucking turned out. Turned out,I guess. But she's supposed no,

(32:52):
really, no other way to putit there. She's supposed to be from
Philly. Though this is like typicalof like, you know, I'm in
the middle of nowhere, Kansas.They're like, yeah, she came down
from Philly. It was like,I don't, what is this motown Philly
back again? But you know whatI'm saying where it's like she doesn't.
The only thing about her that strikesme is like this naive girl is the

(33:15):
fact that she's just like this guyreally loves me, and I'm like they
never do. Why we don't knowwhat's happening? Very concis okay, So
what the mechanics of what happens isshe's walking down the street, this like
unhoused guy is like, I needto get out a bus, and she's
like too stunned to speak, shedoes not know what's going on, and
rude round at her personal like givehim money. I think, yeah,

(33:37):
but she doesn't say anything. Andthis other guy, like, the situation
seems relatively under control, relatively,but the unhoused guy is pretty more aggressive
than any unhoused guy's been to me. But I'm also a big guy.
Um well, Squirrelman, scroll man, Well, I think Scrollman has a
whole How confident are you in thatmedium? How confident were you in that

(34:00):
brownie answer? I wasn't far off. It was a baked good. This
is what I'm saying. You're inthe right category. Yeah, okay,
So this other guy comes up andlike make like seems to try to escalate
the situation in order to de escalateit, where he's like, you want
to you want to fucking dance,motherfucker, And the guy's like, what

(34:20):
the fuck, No, I justwant to get on a bus, and
then he runs, he leak leavesand he's so he talks to this girl.
He's like, how was your trip? Blah blah blah, like he
knows her, And this gets veryconfusing when in the next scene they're like
celebrating some kind of anniversary. Well, I don't even know if it's so
it's very confusing because the music tonemakes it seem like this is some sort

(34:44):
of like start to a rom com. Yeah, right, right right,
it's it may as well be likeif you want to call me Bamy.
The subtitle for the music Cube wasMellow Guitar is, Oh, because you
you're one of those fucking subtitle peoples. Yeah. I don't understand the people
that aren't. I don't want toread my shows. I want to watch

(35:07):
my shows. You can do both. You don't. You're not ballholding.
You can still hear it. You'renot ballholding to reading it. Can't do
it? All right, Well,I don't know what to tell you then,
um, And then the next sceneis like they're in bed together and
he's like, look, baby,I got you this necklace, which she
was like, oh it's good.I'm like it doesn't look like it's that.
It's like it's like a Tiffany necklace. You can help by the like
dumb stupid clasp. Yeah, andthey're the fucking the Blue Box and such.

(35:30):
But I was like, that's anugly, fucking yeah, it's not
great. Here's the thing. Ithen wrote down. I was like,
wait a second, how much timehas passed between and then? And now
I got confused because because I waslike, I thought that they just met
and it was like this meat cuteand then they're celebrating some kind of thing.
But then and like, is that, like did a chunk of time

(35:53):
pass? How long it must havebeen, like a fucking week less?
I don't, And because this isthe thing, how long he's love bombing?
Take I ask you for a friend? I mean, it's a good
question because the next scene is likethem in some other fancy hotel and she's

(36:14):
got on like a like this fancydress and stuff. And I was like,
that's not a fancy dress. That'slike a nightie, is it?
Though it doesn't. Yeah, it'sdefinitely like I'm a very sexy baby kind
of luck I it's not, becausethen the heel's going with it. I'm
like, but that's not But Idon't think that they bought them together,
especially because the dude comes over tolike drop off the heels and is like,

(36:36):
oh, that'll be your ass.No, I get that, but
it's just I don't her and herbeing enamored with this guy. It just
doesn't seeming in any way, shapeor form. And I was like,
is she dumb? Is he smooth? Is it a combination of the two?
I don't understand what's happening here becausewhatever, he's like, oh,

(36:59):
five grade for those shoes. Maybewe could make an arrangement or something,
you know, it's just this guy. And she's like, Okay, I
guess it's just my friend Big Larry. I'm like, especially like knowing retroactively,
this also might be like a likea retroactive thing of maybe they like
had to do this fourteen thing afterthey shot a bunch of the bunch of

(37:20):
it because we were like, peopleare like, what's the big fucking deal?
Um? Because I'm also like,I mean, wouldn't VICE be covering
this? Yeah? Right? Oror that? Or like why why is
why is SPU getting involved here?It's just this anyway. So the next
scene is a dude walking out ofthe hotel room and it's covered around the

(37:43):
corner and it's like, dude,give me my money back because she's crying
and they're like, she didn't putout your teenage hoe won't stop crying.
Yeah, so he's like, hangon, I'll go sort of time really
and it's a you know, Idon't want to do this anymore, you're
gonna do it? He fucking slapsher. She she cuts him in the

(38:05):
face, which turns out to kindof be a red herring, like there's
no real yeah, it doesn't reallydon't. Don't worry about this portion of
the the episode, guys, becausethe show doesn't really give a shit about
it, So nor should you.Yeah, neither should you, and h
and her dad barely gives a shitabout it. Fucking here's the thing we're
we go out of the episode beinglike, boys, an't the real victim

(38:28):
here, this old white guy withCTE. Not this fucking fourteen year old
girl who was turned out and fuckingin a matter of apparently no time,
she went from like innocent girl towithin three days being like this to the
elastic jungle of dicks on global guts. They're rearranging her global guts. Jesus

(38:51):
Christ, that's fucked up. Listenerstweet directly at of Eve. My name's
Kevin b. Yeah, you're listeningto snacker whack for her. It's all
whack. It's all whack. Willthere at least be a snack afterwards?
You know what, the snacks you'renot gonna want the snack snack is more

(39:13):
cock exactly If that was the joke, well, I mean like, at
least put a little bit of cocaineon the tip of your deck so she
can have some fun too. Listeners, take that advice to the bank.
When you're utilizing the services of afourteen year old sex worker, you know,
throw her a bone. In additionto the bone, you're gonna throw

(39:34):
her it numbs you up. Winwin. Drugs help you get through sex
work the bore, you know right. I would be like like Kelly Gettish
being like we had a lot offun today. She's in like a classroom
for some reason, like kids.Remember she puts her leg up on her

(39:57):
on the chair. It's important knowwhenn't your pimp has turned you out as
a fourteen year old prostitute. Makesure to get the drugs in advance.
And if you if you're if you'vegot a really good bargaining position. Be
sure to get money and drugs andtrucks. Um okay. So then we
cut too, we're still in thecold open, and we cut to the

(40:19):
squad We said that she calls herher before he comes back in, and
it's like, I'm gonna fucking killyou, bitch, um. And so
there's she We're in the squadroom.Olivia's like, ah, I had a
date with a guy and he's bald, and he we went Dutch on the
on the date and we missed theopening number of the play we went to.
I'm like, you're a cop,you don't like art? What's wrong

(40:42):
with you? Fuck you? Andtomorrow is like, let me guess,
bald check shirt, accounting type,lives like yeah, three for three?
All right, tiny dick yeah,um and uh. And so this guy
comes in the squadroom. He's like, where's the Morrow. I'm who gives
a shit? I'm Captain Jason Harris, and I was deployed in Afghanistan or

(41:05):
bag Dad with your wife. Shetold me about your transfer to and told
me to come and see you.Because Amar's reaction is do I know you?
Yeah? Who the fuck are you? Dude? Like I this is,
so, why do they need thiselement? Because they want to set
up that Amara's wife is definitely cheatingon him. I get that, but

(41:28):
like to one end, who givesI don't know he's gonna fuck Kelly Gettish
maybe now he's not Italian um SoJason what's his nuts? Is played by
Dominic Fumusa, who he looks familiar. He was on Nurse Jackie, best
known for playing Nurse Jackie Nope,best for playing Chameleon on stage in screen.

(41:52):
Um best known for playing Kevin Peytonopposite Edie Falco on Nurse Jackie,
and he also played the real lifehero John tig Teagan in Thirteen Hours the
Secret Soldiers of Benghazi directed by Michaelbay Nope. He was also in the

(42:12):
movie Focus with Will Smith and MarioRapping. Also note that movie never got
a right away, which that moviefamously was edited on final cut X,
which is basically like editing a movieon a speaking spell. And uh,
people laughed at it a lot fordoing that, laughed at them a lot

(42:34):
for doing that. Okay, that'sall. What a what a fun behind
the scenes. Listen, I don'tknow whether we're gonna like him or not.
Like him when I start talking sure, okay, fucking sure, Hey,
love that for you. By theway, my daughter's fourteen fucking what

(42:54):
Yeah? And this is yeah,this is the reveal that she's fourteen,
because again she doesn't know indication.Yeah, and she doesn't act like she's
actually a bait, like a fuckingbaby. This girl hasn't act fourteen,
if you know what I mean.But you know, to connect the way
that she's playing the character, yeah, yeah, yeah, doesn't give me

(43:15):
fourteen year old vibes. Yeah,Like she doesn't fucking understand the world around
her, and especially because we knowliterally nothing about anything that's going on in
this episode, she stepped off abus and became a sex worker near immediately
at Lax And now I'm and thereason that the dad is like, oh,

(43:37):
it has to be in New York. She talked about New York all
the time. I'm like, whylove New York? She's never been.
We're from Philly, that's the thing. If she was from not Philly,
Like, that's not that big ofa deal. This is We've it's been
a while since we've used this term, but this is a real tarantalanche of
an episode. A bit so okay, so she wants to be in New

(43:59):
York City, it's still unclear.They say that she ran away. She
doesn't know anyone in New York solike she was just gonna wing it.
I don't understand she ran away becauselike he signed up to go back to
a rack or something she doesn't like. She doesn't like it at her new
at her mom's house or whatever.Kevin doesn't let her eat ice cream after

(44:20):
nine pm, right, okay.But it also was established that the dad,
because he says to Amorrow that hejust got back from a rack like
a week ago, stepped off atLaguardi and is like, my daughters were
no. But you know what I'msaying, It's like if you signed up
for a second tour, that meanshe's been there for like fifty one weeks
and she just chose to run away. I no, no, no,

(44:44):
no, bad episode, bad writers, This is barbage. Just have she
just knits all of the fucking bullshitwith the parents. And if you wanted
to be treat Williams being confused forforty two minutes, you gotta get a
lot treat Williams up at the start. Just haven't wandered around the street with
his dick out. That's what he'sdoing for three quarters of the episode.

(45:05):
That was like the Jerry Lewis episodewhere he's like a homeless homeless uh John
Munch uncle, Well, I meanwe have we've had episode start with like
a dude with this dick getting cutoff and just wandered around the streets like
I don't know, make a jazzydu that I don't need the mellow guitar
jazzy. So okay, So yes, Matt's right in every way, but

(45:27):
they are trying to shoehorn this fuckingAmorrow's wife is cheating on him thing,
and so he cut This dude comesin and is like, I know your
wife. She told me that youare an a SVU. Now she's a
great lady, great ass, greasass, And there's just this dead silence of
Amr being like the fu wait whatwho are you? Fuck? Are you?

(45:49):
Who are you? You? Justyou come in here and you're fucking
you fuck my wife and then youask me to find your your turned out
daughter that you think might be inNew York City based off nothing did Martin
Scorsese direct this episode? The firsthalf not enough cocaine. This is what
I'm saying. That's what I wassaying, and you made fun of me.
Well no, if here's the thing. If Scorsese's directing it, oh

(46:12):
my god. Fuck if they filledit in as shy Shina White. Um,
so okay, the song white Lines, it just starts to suit as
the like that's rather than mellow guitar. If the song white Lines started this
episode ten out of ten flawless episode, just that Eric Clapton song Cocaine.
Yeah, well that too. It'sall on the nose, just like the

(46:34):
cocaine. So then the wife showsup and is like, stop pretending like
you care about our fourteen year oldare getting turned out. I got here
as soon as I could. Icame as soon as I found out.
I just like what And everyone's kindof just like what the fuck? The
actors, I think, are like, what is happening in this? See
Craig and just like, ma'am comeover here. I hate to ask,

(46:54):
but like, what is my motivation? What is happening? Am I to
hearkat days? Like, am Iupset that I didn't get dick down?
Lass? Like? What's am I? Whom I don't? Is the guy.
Who why am I in this episodethis week? I don't, oh,
man, especially when like when AndreaBrower is like, you're risking your

(47:15):
career over this, I'm like,she's a fucking guy. Why is that
risking her career? By Oh,that's a good ass, motherfucking question.
By directing someone too, they havea right to an attorney rights, Yeah,
yeah, okay. So they tracethe call that they get the dad
to call the girl back, whichI guess he didn't think of until just

(47:36):
now. And she says like,how did you get this number? It's
like, bitch, you called acell phone from a cell phone. Well,
she's oh, it was a blockednumber, though she has also fourteen,
so she's clearly very stupid. Andso so they traced the call to
like one hundred and eighteenth Street andseventh Alf and he's and Amara is like,
I broke up like a heroin thing. There's like a heroine here a

(48:00):
while ago. And then and thenfucking Olivia says, buildings are like people
sometimes they never change. The fuckdoes that mean poorly written? Is what
that means? We're also still inthe cold open. The cold open,
I think is seven minutes and fortysix seconds, seven minutes. That's with

(48:21):
the with the theme song, becauseseven h nine when they go to it,
see, it's unbelievable because the wholetime I'm like, I don't care
about any of this sh So theyfind her and she's like, I'm not
gonna go with you because, youknow whatever, this guy loves me,
and Amar is like, fine,I'll just arrest you then, and Olivia's

(48:43):
like, do we think that that'sreally necessary. He's like yep, and
then they're like okay, whatever,and then they arrest her. Well no.
Then immediately no Live then says like, why don't you just come with
us, I'd promise you that guydoesn't love me. She's like fuck you
pick and she lives like, wellI tried. I guess we gave it
the old college try. Yeah.And then so then they arrest her,
and then immediately after they get backfrom the thieve, they're like, well,

(49:04):
she's not really under arrest. Wejust had to like detain her against
her will, violate her rights.I'm like, that's worse. It's important
to me that you know that that'sworse, right, So I need you
to say that to me in acomplete sentence that you understand that essentially,
yeah, that is that. Thatis the government literally like yeah, and

(49:30):
and Lovi is like, oh,well, she's fourteen and she didn't want
to go with me, so Ihad to take her. It's important to
me. What don't you understand aboutthis? It's important to me that you
know that that's worse. Um okay, so well, really she's the victim
here, so stop talking. Yesby you, the police, stop talking?

(49:52):
Um. So they they what no, no, no, not from
us, from the other guy,from the other guy. That's that's like
forcing her to do something against herwill, like I don't know, go
places, places and people that shedoesn't want to be with. So Finn
and Ra and Rollins are waiting forthe guy. They arrest him, and

(50:15):
he says, she's not gonna sayanything. I own the bitch, which
is not the best thing to saywhen you're being arrested. Although if he
was not mirandized before he said that, technically they can't use that. That's
true. It is, it's true. Get it in out of the wire.
You shouldn't say to be kid withif you're a guy in this position,
however, you know it's not greatit's super it's not a great low.

(50:37):
It's not the best look you couldcome up with, ill advised.
And so, what's her name?Cindy lou Fuckbag. That's not her name?
Nope, but can it be becauseI don't know her actual name?
And now I'm gonna say Cindy LouFuckbag. Vicky Harris is her character's name,
played by kay Hannah Baker, andso Vicky Harris Vicky lou fuck Bag

(51:02):
is like, oh, my dadis uh seeing someone over in bag?
Dad. I don't know. Idon't know what who she is, but
it's kind of like a kind oflike in a Morrow type. She's like
cheating on her husband. But somesome guy they laugh about him all the
time. His name is Nick Amarah. What's that? What was? Pardon
me? So was in my ear? The President's shouting Dallas, So they

(51:25):
bring it back. It's it's thetypical like no, he loves me,
and they're like and they're like,no, he does it though, and
she's like, no, he doesand it fins like what if we just
look up as social media and it'sjust a picture of him with his with
like a baby daddy. Yeah,like baby daddy and then fucking he's got
the two kids. Olivia even saysbaby mama. I'm like, Olivia,
come on, yeah, what shesays, he didn't tell you about his

(51:49):
baby mama. I'm like, godbye, here we go. Yeah,
it's okay. We're about to bewrapped up with this portion of the episode
anyway, so it doesn't matter.We stop being racist for a second.
Uh. And then this, ofcourse immediately breaks her and she agrees to
testify against she no, she yes, she agrees to testify it. And
then he agrees to testify because theyflip her to flip him because Finn's like,

(52:15):
I want a piece of this guy. He turned her out, Let
me turn him out. Weak.That doesn't sound right. I don't know
what rape is. Last week wasmy first example. I work for the
Special Victims. You dude, what'sthat. It's part of the job to
know the difference here. Meanwhile,this guy, the pimp guy, has
got fucking Cressler as an attorney.I'm like, how the fuck is he

(52:35):
affording crestling? Well, he's keepshis money and so his name's Trey,
and Finn flips Trey immediately is like, you don't have to flip on the
people that you don't like, justor you don't have to flip on the
people that you do like, justflip on the people that you don't like.
And Trey's like, well, Inever really thought about it like that,
which I guess, I mean ifokay, So then we get a

(52:58):
it's not quite un around the hornthere, it's like a it's like a
mini around the horn where a cabinis now in there, and Live is
like, all right, here's whatyou gotta do. We gotta fucking go
after the John's on this, likewe've got the cabins. Girl, No,
I don't want to. Don't startthat again. That that whole thing
about how we should arrest people whorape underage girls. Well live, I

(53:21):
mean not Live. Cabin rather,she's reluctant to do so just because they're
like, who gives a shit,this is a fucking this is a sex
worker beef, Like this is notI've got better fucking things to do,
basically, And the response is like, well, because she's fourteen, everyone,
even if she was consenting, likeeveryone has commit everyone according to the

(53:44):
law, and Cabin's like, Imean, I guess, but like,
yeah, I mean yes, you'reright technically, but like, this isn't
again, why are we exuding thismuch time and energy on this? And
I'm kind of with them, I'mlike, why is a Vice had taken
care of this? This is literallywhat Vice does this? Because she's underage?

(54:05):
Question mark? But since when doesthat? I feel like they would
do underage stuff too, though,But why was Cabot the one being like,
well, I don't feel like fuckingprosecuting this, frankly, because this
is annoying. We already have everythingthat we need. I can victim.
She gets to go. I tooam annoyed. Yeah, I just I
don't That's how they seem to beplayed, And so fucking Cabot agrees to

(54:30):
go along with it, and itwas like, okay, fine, we'll
set up a sting and we'll getall these guys. But there's a line
in there where I don't forget who. I forget who it is. It's
I think it's Live or maybe itis Cabin where they're like, if you
want to stop teenage prostitution, youhave to start going after the child.
I'm like, that's not gonna notreally really, that's not going to stop

(54:51):
it. I don't understand. They'relike, yeah, send a message.
It's like again, this is okay, It's all the show doesn't give a
shit abou this portion anyway, SoI think they're just like, yeah,
we just gotta get to treat Williams. So so we montage through rest arresting
a bunch of John's with like awith like a sting where uh the hotel

(55:13):
bunch of this year was incredible massive. I almost called her Danny back where
um rollins offscreen convinces some like veryyoung looking detective like or very young looking
fucking intern that the way she madedetective was by like posing as an underaged
prostitute and and stinging guys, andOlivia's like, that's not really how that

(55:36):
happened, though, She's like,oh of course not. Oh heaven snow,
and so the the she's a paidactor. We so we have like
a montage of them arresting these John's, and the first one amorrow breaks in
to the to the room before hecan do any like raping, and the
dudes like, I'll pay the fine, amigo, yikes, yikes on bikes,

(56:00):
and then it's conveniently the last one. They're like, all right,
here we go seven of eight,we got one last and just treat Williams
comes strolling in and fucking him.I was like, oh no, it's
Jack Stanton, Jake Stanton, Andeveryone is like, oh no, it's
Shakestain until it's like five people sayinguntil fucking Kevin's like, who the fuck

(56:21):
is Stanton? Jake Stanton? So, Jake Stanton was a football player for
the New York question Marks. Itlooks like it's supposed to be the Jets.
Yeah, but there's like a wolfon their helmet when we see them,
but the Colors, it's supposed tobe the Jets. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I think he's supposed tobe. I think this may have
been inspired partially by Joe Namath wheneverhe was fucking hammered on that Monday night

(56:43):
football game and asked to kiss SusieCoulver on the air because he was blitzed
and it was fucking hilarious. Who'sby the way, birthday is today?
Just starting ninety? Yeah, happybirthday baby. So I think it's supposed
to be a playoff events, like, all right, who's kind of handsey,
there's a football player that we canalso have give them cte and I
don't he gives me Joe name withfibes only because omarrow is like he was

(57:07):
the best quarterback since jid Unitis andfamously in the same rage. Which would
be the yeah, which would bethe answer to that question? Right?
A connection that I was like rackingmy brain to figure out which is I
swear that I heard the name JakeStanton before. It's a generic sounding name.
Yeah, it's so generic that Iwas like, fucking what turns out

(57:30):
John Travolta's character in Primary Colors wherehe plays Bill Clinton Jack Stanton. Ah,
Well, there you go, soanother hands kind of sundowning. H
shucks. There's the thing. BillClinton sundowning could still talk his way out

(57:53):
of anything. Listen, folks,I didn't mean to rate that fourteen year
old. I didn't realize it wasthe women's room. I just whipped I
just whipped it out. Sometimes yougotta go, am, I right,
Am, I right. I justsomehow watered onto that jet that went to
Epstein's Island. I have no ideawhat happened. He put He didn't take
me to the eye. He pickedme up from the island. I don't

(58:14):
know how I got there. I'msundowning. I just woke up boom,
Epstein Island. I don't know.You don't question really knocked me out.
I woke up on an island.We're on an island. The bits are
emerging. Battle to smoke monster.It's incredible. As a pole bear on
an island. Not jeff believe it, not Jeffrey's boat. So weird.

(58:37):
Baby hand Volta flew in to pickme up from Epstein Island with the baby
hand who was doing research for primarycolors too, green, orange, and
purple. Why he secondary colors?Why he insisted on betting secondary that's a
color wheel joke, folks trying tokeep up. Why he sisted that we

(59:00):
take the meeting for future research onEpstein's Island. I'll never know. So
weird. That's the only place Zenocouldn't find him. Zenio was on the
flatlogs too. It just says Zeno. Oh of course everyone knows, dude.
No one denies this famously, ZiMan, huge fo huge pedophile.

(59:21):
Who would have thought that we woulddo just like an extended Bill Clinton riff?
In the Year of Our Lord twentytwenty on al Gore's Internet, the
Algre Rhythm fus President, great Rhythm, algos so Born, his secret service
handles Al Gore hy So none ofthat happens. I was like, when

(59:46):
when they're arresting Jake Stanton, Iwas like, this is a real low
rent treat Williams. Turns out it'sjust plain old regular Tree Williams. The
substitute twos treat Williams. Why wouldthey come in because he keeps saying,
it's like, oh, do youknow who I am? I used to
be a big deal back in theday. Is Williams no fucking the character

(01:00:06):
that he's playing? What I mean, Like, my thought was Tree Williams,
are you playing yourself? But it'sjust the fact that he's like,
oh, back in the day,I would have taken you for a real
ride, but my neck, back, arms and everything's all fucked up,
So you got you gotta do allthe work. And I'm like you just
you Yeah. Don't you say thatto Cassie, Oh yeah, you're like

(01:00:30):
famously, if you want to ifyou want to take it, if you
want to ride this bull, yougotta mount up later. That's exactly what
I say. Uh, And theycome in there like, sir, get
off. The woman sir, justfucking just stop. And then he's like,
do you know who I am?They're like, yeah, we know
who you are. He's like,sorry, sweetheart, looks like the cops

(01:00:52):
are getting you and they're like,no, we're we're gonna. We're here
to arrest you. Sir. Wait, what's that other sit? So?
Uh, ob deal treat Williams PuertoRican Puerto Rican? I would, I
would, I would like to issuea retraction. He is in both the

(01:01:14):
substitute two and the substitute three.How dare you you should apologize to the
entire Williams family to the treat diverseand uh, he's the bad guy in
in the phantom with Billy's name.Didn't see it? Oh, it's very
good. The hideous purple costume.Yeah yeah, yeah, the fighting grimace.

(01:01:35):
Yeah. There's there's a horse herides. If I recalled that correctly
from the trailers, there is ahorse that he rides. It takes place
in the like twenties or something.It's like a it's like, you know,
the rockets here didn't do money,and so like, what if we
do that again? Did the rocketshere not do money? No? It's
very good, but it just likedidn't Money. Yeah, it's very very

(01:01:55):
good. I Leanne had never seenit and put it on recently, and
uh, it's quite quite good.Is that on Disney Plus? It is?
OK? Yeah? So The Phantomis a great movie. Billy's aide,
descendant of a line of African superheroes, travels to Yep, Yep,

(01:02:19):
yepes. Nope, everyone knows thistravels to New York City to thwart a
wealthy criminal genius played by Jake Stantonhimself Tree Williams from obtaining three magical skulls,
which would give him the secret toultimate power. And the tagline is
slam Evil, which sounds like it'sa drink like two slam Evils. Executive

(01:02:44):
produced by Joe Dante, director ofKremlin's Huh, and Robert Evans produced it.
Catherine's Ada Jones is the love interestreal? Hell yeah, hell yeah.
This movie's massively insane. And therewas a this did that movie do
money? No? But guess thefuck what? It has a sequel.

(01:03:06):
The sequel is French. Does italso start Billy Sane? No, it's
it's called The Phantom. Oh,it was a TV series. It was
a TV mini series in two thousandand nine called The Phantom, and it's
like a it's like a future Phantomstarring once again. Can't make this up.

(01:03:27):
Isabella Rosselini does treat Williams make aguest appearance. Fucking I wish anyway,
Speaking of treat Williams, they bringinghim back to the fucking squad room.
He's literally he's posing for pictures,but the police he's telling fucking stories
about like famous games and shit,And I'm like, is he under arrest?
Is he also not really under arrest? Yeah? I mean well this

(01:03:52):
is this is the most realistic partof this episode, unfortunately, is that
the cops are like posing with thefootball football hero who's like a child rapist,
including at the very end. Yeah, oh jesus, that's the fucking
press comes like, well this isn'todd at all, now, is it?
Um? So they sorry, I'mdown a real, a real deep

(01:04:13):
phantom hole. I know I'm tryingto pull you out here. So they
put him in an interrogation. Craig, It's like, get to put the
fucking in an interrogation like this isguys, this is embarrassing even for SVU.
I know, the bar is reallow for us but I can't even
abide this. And at some pointFinn says that Trey the little Bitch sung

(01:04:36):
like caruso. Do you know whatthat means? No, I got hoping
that you would. Well, here'sthe thing that you also thought someone's name
was Hambone when it was Amber.Time will tell on that one, will
it? I think time is alreadytold. I think we've established that it

(01:04:58):
would be a lot better if hername were ham Bones. Oh yeah,
it's not my fault for improving theepisodes. You have me there if Eve,
you know what, when you're right, you're fucking right. So Jake
stands has met Memento disease. Helike opens his wallet and it's like,
call your wife. I I wheneverhe like where his ID would go,

(01:05:20):
it just says, called your wife, and like child's handwriting. And I
literally said out loud, No onethought that was strange. Whenever, whenever
they like frisked him or whatever,he showed it to them, and like
he's like, oh, he makesthe joke where he's like, oh,
it's your child. Bright, She'sgonna tell me. She can tell me

(01:05:41):
the same things she tells me everytime, which is call a lawyer.
Shouldn't you just have that in hiswallet then rather than cat call a lawyer,
it would serve the same purpose.Really, um is it? Fucking
I'm looking at my notes, like, what the fuck have even happened?
So they put him in the interrogationroom, and then fucking so the wife

(01:06:04):
shows up. They're interrogating him,He's not making any sense. And then
the wife shows up and says,most nights after six, my husband has
no idea where he is. Heis, in fact sundowning. And then
Jerry Rice and Warren Sapp show up. Oh yeah, Then they start watching
that's what it is. So theystart watching footage of him play back in

(01:06:25):
the day and it's just like thisguy get the shit kicked out of him.
Yeah, yeah, real real,uh that time that Homer Simpson was
a boxer sort of thing, yeah, and lives like, oh my god,
I can't believe it. These howmany concussions are this guy? Brutal?
Blah blah. Kelly Get is like, actually, the NFL has taken
this real seriously. They have nerologistsaw in the field now And I'm like,

(01:06:45):
but they interviewed Jerry Rice on likeon this video on this highlight by
the way Jake Stan was a fuckingbullshit was Jake Sam could not finish a
game. Warren sapps like, Ipersonally gave him three of those concussions,
kick the shit out of him.He was telling the story. He's like,
oh, yeah, I broke likefour ribs and was bleeding and you

(01:07:08):
couldn't get them off the field.And I'm like, I mean back in
the day, Yeah, that's sure. Yeah, So they could afford Jerry
Rason Warren step but not a realteam name. And uh well, because
here's the thing. The NFL waslike, all right, Jerry Warren,
we need you to go onto SPU. You gotta play ball here in a

(01:07:30):
scene that it's gonna we're gonna saythat we the NFL give a shit about
this topic. But Roger, youdon't get shut up, Jerry, shut
up. No one likes you,all right, Roger, Jerry shut the
fuck up. All right, Roger, I could agree with Jerry here,
yet, Warren, I've had enoughof you, sir. You're gonna go

(01:07:53):
on to Dick Wolf's show and you'regonna say that you're gonna you're gonna talk
about how this guy got to shockit down of him and then I don't
know, one of the girls isgonna say something. I'm how we take
it seriously. I didn't read thescript. I Roger Goodell. I gotta
go cover up a bunch of shit. I gotta go get a fucking weird
hand job in a back room suchparlor. So they refer to CTE as

(01:08:15):
I'm sure that this is the realname for it, but it is a
very funny name, pugilists dementia.Oh I didn't hear that, Yeah,
which is like okay, I meanI know what pugilism is, which is
like boxing, like like fighting.But like, if we already had the
name pugilists dementia, maybe we shouldhave stopped. Well, they also referred

(01:08:39):
to it as. They also thenreferred to it as CTE, so it's
like, just keep calling it fuckingCTE. What's yeah, and Live is
like googling CTE. She's like,Oh, there's this new thing called chronic
and traumatic and cephalopathy. Meanwhile,it's not new, It's been happening forever.
We just there's there's a fucking namefor a called pugilistic dementia. So

(01:08:59):
that term at least one hundred yearsold. But the NFL cares. Now,
yeah, you know neurologists. Theygot that blue tad. It's great.
Oh they got the blue tent,they got the helmets, they got
extra padding or you're not allowed todo the pad, I don't know.
But before before they even have achance to like talk about anything anything like

(01:09:19):
uh, well, uh, itturns out your guy that you just cut
loose exposed himself to a woman anda bathroom like five minutes ago. You're
just calling everyone big guy, solike that's not great. Pick him up.
So they go down there and he'slike, listen, I didn't see
the sign. It was dark ifthere. I'm an old man. I'm

(01:09:41):
confused your old friends and confuses me. How you doing, big guy?
Yeah, And Finns like you shouldbecause his wife is there to say like
fucking stop talking, and Finns likeyou you should stop. You should listen
to your wife, dude, likefucking this is this is no painter for
you. I mean, while thewood it's like, hey, just can't
if he just whipped his dick out. So he's literally sundowning at this moment,

(01:10:08):
and they pull the wife aside andshe's like, I don't fucking know
what I'm gonna do with this fuckingguy. We're broke. He spent way
too much money on underage hookers.I don't know what I'm going up until
last year he handled all the finances, so it's gone, all of it.
And the NFL has a fund fortheir wounded warriors. Nope, oof,

(01:10:29):
but he's too proud. He won'ttake it and have him asked for
it after six he won't remember it. Yeah, right, um, and
then Sniffle Sniffle Sniffle will have touse a shutter public defender like one of
the public. I was infuriated bythis. It's like, oh, you

(01:10:49):
mean, like, how probably peoplego through the fucking justice system. Treat
Williams Baby treat Treat thinks he's gonnawin an me for this episode? Does
he? He's trying real hard,so rollins yet again? Is this like
her rookie hazing is like you alwayshave to bring the food to the fucking

(01:11:10):
people in the holding cell. Ididn't notice that, Oh yeah she does.
She does, because he does thewhole thing where he pulls out his
wallet again, which a why doeshe have that? Stop? Yes,
stop, don't take his wallet fromhim? He's in jail, you're supposed
to take his shit. But beforebefore that, Olivia is like, listen,
I'm gonna give you the number ofmy friend and former lover Andre Brauer.

(01:11:31):
He will represent you because you arefamous and he's a friend. And
then he shows up or roll excuseme, Rollins goes and gives him his
food, gives him his food,and he's like, oh man, I
was really hungry. Anyway, Ineed to call my wife because this,
this memento note says for me tocall home. Here's my dick. What

(01:11:53):
are we doing here? What ismy wife gonna tell me? Call your
lawyer? Yeah, she's gonna tellme to call my lawyer. What you're
right, Matt, Why isn't therea note that just says call your lawyer.
Yeah, if that's all she's gonnasay to you, and you know
that's all she's gonna say to you. That means you have conditioned him in
his condition to understand that did shouldjust call the justest this you fucking quacks

(01:12:14):
like it's so because then Roland's islike, you realize your wife is in
the other room. He's like,what what's this now? Wait? I
thought I was at I thought Iwas at Lebec Finn like he's he is
fucking acting like Ronald Reagan right now, He's just like, well, I
don't, I don't know. Ihate the jelly beans. Those were marbles.
I love marbles. I hate blackpeople in gaze, but I love

(01:12:39):
marbles. The state of the Unionis strong. Let's get the ws out
in the marbles. In half thefucking half the house stands up. Wheah,
I'm the devil, but my wifegives great A dome turned into Stewie.
Griffin's gonna say, so, we'vehad a Bill Clinton, a Ronald

(01:13:06):
Reagan. All we need is acouple of George Bushes. It's batting in
Obama. Well, boy, JimmyCarter, I wasn't on the flatlogs.
I'm the only president doesn't belong inthe Hague. I'm just building houses.
Will not any bore. I'm aboutto die. Anybody want a peanut?
No? All right, okay,it made me sell my farm. I

(01:13:28):
just buy the peanuts now. SoI'm just saying, Okay, it's a
little bit like Bill Clinton, butjust higher. They're both southern. So
you got a guy George and Arkansas. Yeah, they're they're neighbors close enough.
Hell yeah, anybody had my brother'sbeer. It's bad Bill of beer.
Wait, I thought there was nowhat was what did Bill Clinton's brother

(01:13:50):
do? Just drunk dry minute second? He did something too, didn't he
He did? He did something relatedto beer, which was drink too buch
of it and then get behind thewheel of a car direct to which Billy
beer. Then Rogery Clinton just allover the fucking place. Anyway, George
W. Bush's brothers just like I'mjebb I'm here, please clap or it's

(01:14:15):
less energy, it's more like,please, I'm Jeb Bush because because you
I mean, that's gotta be ashitty life, right, especially when I
think he was the one that theyhad the high He was like, that's
the one that's gonna go far.And then w Is just like, I'm
gonna idiot myself into the presidency twiceand Jeff Bush can't get arrested. It's

(01:14:38):
amazing I did nine eleven or did. That's why George W. Bush I
used to do a good way.Anyway, Audrey Broward shows up and it's
like, yeah, I'm representing awhite guy to bars like pish posh are
you playing the race card. Already, stop it with the fucking race card.
The fuck man Broward. So theygo in they talk, So Broward

(01:14:59):
talks to this Clide and then they'refucking it's like detectives. I think we
can clear this all up clearly.He just it was a misunderstanding and everything's
fine. And Tree Williams is like, when you arrested me in points at
Amorrow and Amar's like, I didn'tarrest you, Detective two tool arrest you
and he's like, yeah, youtoo, look a lot alike. And
then there's just like a pause,long pause, and we cut to each

(01:15:21):
of the characters in the room andit's like, oh, we got a
problem here. It's like, okay, here's the question though, is this
a problem with memory or is itracism? Because if it's racist, he's
like holding up a brown paper bag. Fuck I mean, because here's because
I could go either way on that. I'm surprised, Urey Brown. It's
like, please excuse my Clide.He's very racist, extremely racist. How's

(01:15:45):
that for a race card? Um? And so like, boy, he's
good. I don't know what tosay to this now. And then he
refers to himself in the third person. He's like, I'm not I'm not
a child rapist. I just likehookers. That's not who Jake Stanton is
like, what a certain defense here? What's happening? This is what this
is. At the point of theepisode where we had some live listener feedback

(01:16:06):
from leanno'she which is what happened tothe teenage prostitute? Good question, the
show stopped giving a shit, butuh, Andre Brower comes face to face
with with Alex Cabot and he's like, let's fucking go head to head in
the courtroom. Get your Latin ready, and she's like bring it on,
and he's like, god venitas andshe's like, ah, yes, good

(01:16:34):
day to you, sue sir.And I guess what he said was like
the body, if the body can'tbe guilty of something, if the mind
is not also guilty, men's rayais the one of the things there.
So he's basically saying that, likehe doesn't have the capacity to have committed
the crime. He's mentally not allthere. Semper ubi sububi, yes and
fucking but here's the thing. Omorrowis the one that responds with what the

(01:16:58):
Latin phrase is, and I'm likegood for Amorrow, question mark. Then
he speaks Latin. I guess I'mguessing Catholic school, sure, or like
you know, well, he's he'ssupposed to be replacing He's supposed to be
replacing Stablers. Oh, yeah,he is Catholic. He is. Yeah,
I don't remember why I know?Oh because he that comes up in
one of the episodes. I don't. I can't believe we're already ten episodes

(01:17:20):
into this fucking season. By theway, we've we've suffered through ten episodes
of Amorrow or nine. Um.Yeah, But here's what I don't understand.
Clearly, this guy is not allthere. Anyone can see. The
Rowlins calls it out because she saysafter she delivers him, yeah, if

(01:17:43):
he's faking it, like he shouldhave been an actor, not an athlete.
Everyone suspects that this guy is fuckedup in the head. But Kebin,
for whatever fucking reason, is like, I don't care, we got
I just I don't. I don'tget it. What is the motivation here?
They try to YadA YadA later,but it doesn't make any sense,

(01:18:04):
and Cabins like, why, Olivia, why would you risk your career for?
Why would you risk your badge forthis guy? Why is that risk
your badge? He has the legalright to an attorney, Like I understand
that, Like, it's not theduty of the cops to actually provide the

(01:18:29):
attorney. I guess that's the publicDefender's office. So like, but why
would that result in her losing herbadge because she referred him to an attorney?
Is it because she can't be likeimpartial? Now I think it's just
because the cops hate justice. Yeah, potentially, right, Okay, and
then we have the greatest Skype call. Oh the Skype logo took up gigantic

(01:19:00):
just with a frame. And Iknow that this is like this is a
joke that I've seen numerous places,but like, it's incredible that Skype blew
a fourteen year head start to zoom. It's Skype's not even around anymore.
It is Microsoft's Heam, It's teams. Yeah, they bought Microsoft bought Skype,
and then it was like its Microsoftthat fucked it up. But yeah,
so wait with Skype originally a Microsoftproduct, though I don't think so.

(01:19:23):
It was just an app. Ithink it was an app. Yeah,
yeah, so or a program iswhat they used to call it so
okay. So Amara is talking tohis wife Interrac. She's definitely Interac and
not some random Pentagon bunker planting disinformation. And there's definitely not like a virtual
background behind her of like a barracksin bag Dad. And now she's secretly

(01:19:45):
no, she's in New York City. She just says, want to come
home to amorrow one hundred. It'sa zoom background of Philly, like in
in his in fucking Jason's basement withlike a poll. It's not a zoom
background. It's just like a pullscreen. So um, he says.
Amara says, Oh, the daughterdoesn't love the dad anymore because I guess

(01:20:06):
he just like stayed away too longand Bagdad. And meanwhile, listeners,
you can't see this, but ofEve's doing a doing a thing. I
don't even know. How do youtake a screenshot? Is it like nine?
It's like, yeah, it's nine, it's just nine key? What
is it that's not helping? I'm, by the way, Matt is one

(01:20:28):
hundred and seven years old. No, So, listeners, what just happened?
As while trying to take a screengrab of Eve doors which I'm giving
up, I'm abandoning now I accidentallyit's rather than taking a screen grab hung
up the FaceTime. Hell yeah,dude, that's one hundred. Just as
you were saying, you were like, Matt is one hundred and then it

(01:20:49):
cut off, right there's what,Yeah, I said into the microphones,
like he must have done that onpurpose. So, um, yeah,
he stayed away too long. Shehates him now, by the way,
like I've never heard of this guy, like like, how do you know
him? And she's like why alwaysaccusing me of cheating? Why are you
fighting turning me? And he's like, I mean and then the seat just

(01:21:11):
ends. If that's say that,they just leave it like that. There's
a really long pause, and okay, sure, I wanted to make a
Ted Lasso season three joke that Mattwon't get shut the fuck up, doctor
Jacob. Great, that's it.Shut the fuck up, doctor Jacob.
All you all you Lasso heads outthere know what I'm talking about, doctor
Jacob means to fucking get fucked.Yeah, sure, hey, love it,

(01:21:38):
Love that for you. And sowe just leave that thread hanging because
okay, wonderful. Okay, andthen the like one of my favorite things
happens in the episode because it is. I don't know, I don't know
whose plan this is. But AndreBrowner is like, all right, so
we're all set. Treat Williams,I'm the coach and you're the players.

(01:22:00):
Like you're the coach on the player. You run the plays, I execute
the plays. I can do thiscoach I was, I was in the
NFL. And he's like, great, fucking great. And then as soon
as they go to the arrangements,right or the like, you know,
it's a motion hearing, right,they are changing their peace, yeah,
from not guilty to not guilty byreason of insanity. Yeah. And so

(01:22:25):
as soon as that happens, Treewilliam starts like babbling, like really fucking
weird, like I'm not cold,I don't like paper towels in my shoes,
And I'm like, is this theplan? Is this the plan that
they were talking about doing. It'snot the plan. It's less crazy than
that. It's just him being likeI did ripe any Wood. I'm not
crazy, I'm fine, everything's fine, nothing to see here, folks.

(01:22:48):
And that lady said I'm a rapistand I'm not a rapist. But it
reminds me of like Bruce Willis andDiehard with a Vengeance where Zeus is like
acting crazy, right, Yeah,no, I get that, but I
don't think that's what it was.I think he's just he's just just doesn't
have a brain anyfore. It's justI wish that it wasn't that, and

(01:23:10):
that he and Andrey Brower like tookthat show on the road and had there's
like a buddy cop show. Imean, that would be. But here's
the thing. We have to likeEllis at the end of this he's an
aluicious trick and treat Williams plays treatWilliams in trick or treat snack or snack
or whack um. So, asit turns out, they yeah, wasn't

(01:23:36):
the plan and the they're not allowedto change the police, yeah, because
because they're like, insanity does notmeet like like, first of all,
it should be mental disease or defectyou fucking assholes. Yes, and you
know, and and Captain Raymond Holtis like we've reached a rubicon. Shut

(01:23:58):
up many where his argument is likeyou know, biology and psychology or all
this is this is the moment,this is where it all comes together.
Man. Is whenever there's a fuckingdisorder that I can't prove that he has.
Yeah, and and and I havesympathy for I have a ton of
sympathy for the people who are sufferingfrom CTE and and have these like the

(01:24:23):
rage issues and memory issues and allthis other stuff. But like a girl
was raped. Yeah, in thislike this scenario, like someone's got to
be held accountable for this. Well, look, and Roger Goodell has just
quietly left the building. They haveseven others that they have also, Yeah,

(01:24:44):
that's that's one of the user reviewsthat we're going to read. Not
to say it's like hey, becauseI hear what you're saying, but it's
like sure, and in terms oflike, well, someone's got to face
a consequence or get some sort ofjustice for this girl's like, okay,
you have seven of the eight andthe one person is brain no longer functions.

(01:25:05):
Yeah, just like put it kindof put him in a home.
I mean, he definitely shouldn't belike like left to his own devices,
which spoilers at the end, he'snot. But you know, it's like
this is why I don't understand thecrusade on this one, why they're not
just like clearly he's not all there, just kind of deal with him that
he's like in a home. Youknow. Yes, in fact, they

(01:25:26):
probably like the wife would probably lovethat, love that. So we come
back from commercial and they put likea ct expert on the stand and cabins
like this CTE thinks out serious likeshould someone do something and it's the only

(01:25:46):
way to test for it is likewith an autopsy. I feel I know
that that's true, and that's likebeen said numerous times when talking about it,
but like I feel like number onething should be like figure out how
a test for it without an autopsy. Yeah, I uh, I'm I'm

(01:26:08):
and this is me personally. I'mkind of of the mind right now.
It's like if you if you area professional football player, that means you
have gone through how many years ofbeing like I know about that, especially
this generation of players. It's likeI know that this is not only a
possibility basically a death sentence, It'sit's an expectation at this point really that
after I'm done playing football, likeit's just gonna be a garbage life unless

(01:26:30):
I'm save like three athletes we talkabout, we talk about Looper quite quite
a bit, which feels it feelslike the deal that they make in Looper
right, it's like extreme riches,but like a world of hell at toward
the end of their life. Andthe you know, also the way that
the United States gets their fucking armyfilled with like poor kids who need to

(01:26:53):
go to college. And I waslike, yeah, I'll trade a lifetimes
worth of PTSD and a suicide raceten times higher than the general public to
like get my college paid for andmaybe like have housing. I mean,
that's it's that's again. I'm withyou. I don't. I have sympathy

(01:27:15):
for everyone. I'm not unsympathetic,and I think the NFL is an evil,
evil organization. But at some pointin time, like, is that
just your cost benefit analysis and that'sif that's your decision, go for it.
Yeah, I think I think forit. But a lot of I
think culturally, especially in like thesouthern part of the the US, like
that's that's what you do. UmMy, I don't know if I ever

(01:27:39):
told you this. I really wantedto play football growing up because my cousin
did. My cousin played football inhigh school. When you're a bigger guy,
would you would it would make sensefor you to be I'm a big
guy. I like, I likefootball, and my mother refused to let
me and and like I was madshe was The joke was that I would
break my piano fingers, but shelike stayed strong and like, never ever

(01:28:00):
ever let me play football, Andshe was right. I mean, I
don't think that I had like anyhope of going pro. It probably would
have played in high school and that'sit, but like you know, and
that likely would not have gotten MECT. But like I don't regret not playing
football. And I think that shemade the right decision. So thanks mom,
Oh there you go. How sweet? But yeah, it's it's just

(01:28:23):
this is and this is also whatyear was the movie Concussion? Was that
the same year dollars google concussion.Concussion? The movie is from twenty fifteen,
oh so way after this episode afterthis, But it's based on a
book called brain Game by or it'slike a yeah, it's like an expose

(01:28:44):
called brain Game, which was writtenby Jean Jean or Jean Jean Marie Lascus
and that was in two thousand andnine. The GQ expose, um so

(01:29:05):
nine is like I saw another documentaryabout It's called like bell Rung or something
like that. Soathing. They usedto say, it's like oh he got
his bell rung where it's like,oh, his brain is slowly dying.
Yeah, and so there there's alot of there are a lot of players
who die by suicide, um,based on their CTE situation. And you

(01:29:31):
know it, he basically fucks youup to an insane degree. Um And
yeah it's extremely sad um. Buttreat Williams on the stand is like I
didn't know that they were fucking underage. I thought that they were just working
girls. Yeah. He's like,yeah, listen, some subathletes, you

(01:29:51):
know, they have affairs. Theygo into the whole thing. I just
like prostitutes. It's just like,stop talking. And this is when on
Andre Brower's like, okay, it'snot what sundowning can do to you.
It's what sundowning can do for you. And then well, because he keeps
asking the question where he was like, so you didn't happen to ask her
age to do? And it's likeObjection's like funs like okay, who wait

(01:30:15):
wait uh would uh? Would youdid you pay her for the sexual encounter?
And it's like um, also objection, He's like god, damn,
I can't get anything past this scroll? All right, Uh, she's like
a goalie. What would a personperhaps believe would one imagine if a person
existed who had CT and loved hookers, would you say, how do you

(01:30:41):
feel about that person? Would yousay that there was a possibility that this
person. I'm just that it's hypotheticalthat this person would think that this was
a consensual act. So Andre Browerjust like treats his own client as a
hostile witness, and it's like,what was your number, how long you've
been married? What's my name?What's your name? What day of the

(01:31:02):
week is it? And and he'slike, why are you badgering me?
I want my Lawyer's like, bitch, I am your lawyer. I'm trying
to help you. It's like,what's my name? But this scene is
a is a well written, wellacted scene that like, in the larger
context of the episode, is makespers Yeah yeah, well again yeah,
if you if you were to bottlethis scene, it's very good, it's

(01:31:27):
great. Um, but this likeis a mistrial level crazy scene. Like
like the fact that the judge allowsthis to happen and it's not like prejudicial
for the jury is bananas to meor how like within a minute of doing
this, it's just like your point'sbeen made, counselor thank you, you
can carry on. Yeah, thisis jury nullification a thousand percent right.

(01:31:50):
But instead the jury comes back andsays, oh, he's not not guilty,
and which I'm sorry, that's theright for here if you're if you're
not going to allow him the optionto like put him somewhere, and it's
just like nope, it's crime ornothing. It's like, well, I
don't think that's fucking the right wayto go on this one either, and

(01:32:12):
and Cabot says, says something similarto to Olivia, where she's like,
Olivia, you're all about the fuckingvictim's rights, and you also have sympathy
for for the for this guy withCTE, Like you don't get to cherry
pick. You don't get to cherrypick, Like you just have to like
allow the justice system to work.Um, And she's like, uh,
bearing witness it helps first step.Yeah it doesn't, it doesn't. That's

(01:32:39):
a bullshit line. But the jerrycomes back not not guilty, and he
goes, did we win it?And the wife says, yes, we
want it. He says, soI'm innocent and then just to look on
his wife's face and Tree Williams islike, oh, I I'm so sorry,
and uh and the victim's dad isthere and I think he's gonna shoot

(01:33:01):
him. I did say he kindof just he doesn't. I don't know
what the look was that he kindof mean mugs him. Yeah, he
didn't seem all that him say,he seemed sympathetic to him as well.
Nah, I don't know, He'sseem pretty upset to me. So so
he goes goes out in front ofthe courtroom steps and is doing this like
very clearly. I don't know whereI am. Like we were down in

(01:33:23):
the fourth quarter and then I dida hell Mary and we came out on
top. And I think that theeven bleaker um ending to this episode would
be that he just like continues thatact and he just like is like happy,
go lucky, posing for pictures,taking questions and like clearly masking his

(01:33:46):
like debilitating disease. But instead thiscop he's like overwhelmed that this cop asks
him for a selfie and USSI andthe he like grabs the cops gun,
which is like okays getting fucking fired. And then holds it to his own
head and I'm like, not inthe brain, in the chest, and
then that's exactly what he did.Yeah, he just shoots shoots himself in

(01:34:10):
the chest the end, Dick Wolf. Junior say out, but it happened
before, Junior say, oh,yeah, one of betty people to have
committed suicide in this manner that wereformer NFL players who turned out to have
CTE. Yeah. So so therethere are I don't know if there's like
a list, but Aaron Hernandez andJunior say ou are two very famous recent

(01:34:38):
examples of NFL players who had ctwho um who who took their own lives?
Um? And uh? Okay.So according to twenty seventeen, according
to twenty seventeen study on brains ofdeceased football players, ninety nine percent of

(01:35:00):
NFL of brains tested from NFL playershad various stages of CTE, going all
the way down to twenty one percentof high school football players. Now,
to be fair, yeah, thesampling, Yeah, because there's a lot
of people dying early. Yeah,but it's it's not great, it's a

(01:35:23):
lot of percent. It's these aredictator numbers. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
putin isn't putting up these numbers,um and cte uh is a comorbidity
with als, which is like kindof what's happening what happened with Muhammad Ali?
Um? Yeah? Yeah, reallyfucking bad, bad, bad,

(01:35:45):
bad, very depressing bad. Andyet we all tune in every suthing.
Just hey, we all do it. Um. Yeah. So you know,
I keep kind of going back andforth as to whether I am going
to watch football, and this isprobably gonna put me off of it for
a while. All but yeah,good, thank for you. It's the
off season. Yeah, you gota minute, so you gotta start worried

(01:36:06):
about wallow my fucking pride and ethics. You'd stare into the gaping mau of
capitalism and say, yes, daddy, please, yes, please the capitalism.
Okay. So from Tribute Corner,the song that begins at the beginning
of the episode as Vicky's leaving thebus is Honey Dove by Lee Fields,

(01:36:30):
and I think she says that hethe Trey refers to her as his honey
dove. Oh and Kaker, Ithought she looked super familiar um as I
was watching her, and then Ifigured out why. And it's because like,

(01:36:50):
like Danielle Pana Baker. Yeah.So yeah, from the Flash and
the Arrow Verse and the Friday thethirteenth threemake. Danielle Pana Bay is her
older sister. That's probably why.Oh yeah, I was like, she
has a face that I recognize.Okay, So a lot of siblings of
other you know, we had brotherto Denis Duffy. Hey last week,

(01:37:13):
Hey Duffy. So from us yourreview corner. Oh boy, if you
can believe it, lots of them. Okay, let's hear it. So
this is from Chip Brill from Junetwenty one, twenty thirteen. Ten out
of ten stars flawless episode. Treatis a treat. So that's all I

(01:37:33):
really wanted to a somewhat mild criminalepisode given the past usual affair for SVU,
This one shows off the genuine actingabilities of the ensemble and guest performers,
the most prominent of whom Our Treatwill is treat Our okay our Tree.
Williams is Jake Stanton and Andre Braueras his attorney Baared ellis two.

(01:37:55):
The camera work is quite splendid,adding dramatic panache to a particularly fine script.
The episode covers so much ground teenageprostitution and early onset athlete dementia without
a mom, without any modlined overtonesor polemic truth is this would have made
a fine movie. What what buddy? It is? It is, in

(01:38:18):
my humble opinion, the best episodeof the SVU series, the whole series,
all of it. You were readyfor another one? What year was
that written? Twenty thirteen? Okay? So okay? So this guy was
unaware that there was another fourteen seasonscoming dope. Truth Well, he also

(01:38:38):
didn't know that this it did makea fine movie. What okay? I
guess I'm ready for the next one. From X Pigeon nine four three dash
seven one eight three seventy five fromSeptember third, twenty twenty one, Treat
Williams deserved an Emmy. In myopinion, now that I have a family
member with dementia, I think heplayed this role perfectly. I wish all

(01:39:00):
my family members could see this episodeand see how much of our member behaves
like this, or how much ourmember behaves like this. I don't know
how he prepared for the role withtwo ells, but I thought he was
great. I have new respect forhis talent. I recommend this episode for
anyone who has a friend or familymember who is recently diagnosed with this crippling
illness. I kind of agree withthat. I think that his performance is

(01:39:23):
the one shining spot. Yeah,I mean, yes, it's just it's
everyone, It's just the everyone aroundhim. It's just there's just something about
it that doesn't click. He sureis it the first half. It could
be that it could have a lotto do with that that could make its

(01:39:45):
own episode. Why not make thatits own episode? I agree. So
this is from Big Chief eight threethree zero nine from December eleventh, twenty
twenty one. Five out of tenstars. The title is really, yes,
really, this one goes Really thedad is upset that one out of

(01:40:05):
two hundred Johns gets acquitted. Iusually like s for you, but this
episode was too meandering and full ofholes, much like Treat Williams's Brain.
For the life of me, Ican't understand why the dad is so upset
at the end. Also, thefourteen year old is suddenly a choir girl
clutching her pearls. Unbelievable, motherfucker. She was raped, she was turned

(01:40:29):
out, she was human trafficked.Yeah, granted, I kind of share
somebody your outrage just because it's likeit's not established how it's just like sure,
the time doesn't make sense a lotof it. The first half is
so unearned for anything. So itjust I understand. I can relate to
this. Listeners with the episode goodgood job, the absolute right person to

(01:40:55):
side with in this argument. Butyou had come on you you disagree that
the fact that no, no,no, I don't disagree. I don't.
I don't give a shit about thischaracter because the show has not made
me give a shit about this character. I agree, I agree, agree,
And that's our episode for this week. Law and Order SVU Season thirteen,
Episode ten, fuck Girl Spiraling downdownward spiral, downward spiraling. So

(01:41:23):
if you agree or disagree with us, if you know what, like why
if you know what Jake Jake Stanton'sstats were in his last season or something
I don't know, hit us up. We're an SVU podcast on Twitter,
which is the official Twitter handle ofthe New York Wolves. Yeah, and

(01:41:45):
you can take that to the bankthe blood Banks seditor and for longer or
weirder stuff or tweetsizes, email sentus in biggest fucking mosk, send us
an email special viewing unit at gmaildot com and give us a written review
where we're fine, podcasts are sold. I got super distracted because I was
looking at what we can do nextweek. Tune in next week when we
view and review and Leving leave Ridiculelaw in order. SVU Season thirteen,

(01:42:06):
Episode eleven, entitled Theater Tricks OhBoy Yeah, SVU tries to figure out
who is responsible for the real liferape of an actress during an interactive theater
performance that everyone just assumed was partof the show. So this is like
sleep no More, I guess,okay, But but in this episode,

(01:42:30):
this episode Stacked the Street, Williamscome back no like said this interactive theater
al? What's happened? What's goingon? So we have Adam Driver really,
Kevin Pollock Coco as in Icelo's Coco. Yes, and the Fisher Stevens

(01:42:51):
mister the plague himself. Yeah right, buddy, Yeah, I'm you sound
like you got one more you're gonnasay, I do who the triumphal return
of Tarer, Tech, Leo Gerber, Gilbert Godfred. This is a strange
season of SVU. Is he arethey setting up see the new Stucky where

(01:43:14):
he's like gonna show up a coupleof times and then I'm gonna do a
murder. I think so you andme are gonna be together, Olivia.
I'm in love with you, Olivia. Yeah, I can't do it good
Gilbert clearly mean either. Here wego fort and until then, I don't
know what's happening. Man for Lawunit, were sundown. Maybe that's why

(01:43:40):
we never stick the landing because wesaw down. Maybe yeah, he's sundowning
for Law and Owner a special viewunit. I am of Eve Rubenstein and
I'm Matt Ruyter. We will seeand I'm Matt Ruyter. We will I'm
Jake Stanton and I'm Matt Ruyter.We will see you number nine. Sure
did? How did I get here? I don't know where? Where are

(01:44:01):
we? Well, we're in twodifferent locations. This is this is a
computer, this is this isn't aportal? I know, I don't know
how us a fat router. We'llsee you guys again next week. Gong
Go and I have a beaver roobystuff

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