Episode 375 - S17E9 - Depravity Standard - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
So you just just just just make us do it. Okay,
just we'll do it. You you shouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I am your host, Matt Reuter. After that ps A,
joining me as always the Tom Size more of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
The weird thing is I've been. This is the second
the first time I've been.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
That is a viver beside over there. How are you
doing tonight, Aviv?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I will not dignify that question with an answer.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Boy that guy who?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Boy, I have I have a I have I have
something to say about about that guy. Yeah, huns Karpowski lomited.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Which it sounds it sounds like some sort.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Of like you, yeah, weird psychotic that he's on.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Like homeopathic like balm of some kind or like lomitin
like like Landelin like.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Also very clearly that's why George wag is there, because
either Tom Sizemore or Alex Karpowsky, they're so nuts that
they're just projecting him and it's evil George Wang.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's not, it's actually George Waugh.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
It's regular George Wall.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
It's George Wong. Actually, you know, pointing out it's like, yeah,
that's the part of the reason that we have the
standard that I exist in this system is whatever you
like to point things out like this, Like, yeah, the
fact that in this episode, there is the moment towards

(01:56):
the latter end where Live or where the jury is
asking about like a coerced confession or whatever like that,
and Live seems she has a moment and she's hissed
and she's like, oh, you know, there was that kid
and we had to get the kid and I had
to say something. And Barbera's like, I know, it's fun.
But there's never a moment where Live ever actually stops.

(02:17):
She's not upset about the fact that perhaps she didn't.
She's upset that that that's how it looks. There's it's
never it's it's never a moment of like, maybe I'm wrong,
maybe we need to change things, maybe there is things
that can be improved here. It's just well, fuck you
for thinking it's wrong. I'm not wrong. You're wrong, asshole
for asking.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Like they're never they're never actually gonna reckon with the
things that they can run.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
So many times this season specifically, they they they walk
directly up to the thing, they interact with it, being
like wow.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
The thing, and they're like, oh, is there a breeze.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
And they're like, I don't I don't understand why everyone
isn't just doing what we say.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
And and then there's like an evil person of the
jury who just doesn't like cops for some reason.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And we've never stopped to ask.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Why do you know I've been that guy. I haven't
wasn't get picked. I didn't get picked for the jury.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
But you don't say because you were like, yeah, I
don't like cops. They'll be like, thank you very much
for your service.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
The only time, yeah, the only time that I've ever
been called for jury duty. The I like got brought
into the court and they're like, oh, do you this
like this case has to do with like police, like
being a witness to something or other, and do you
think that a police officer can be trusted to testify

(03:41):
against another in favor of or against another police officer?
And I was like, absolutely not. They have a vested
interest in protecting each other. And they're like, thank you,
You're dismissed. And I've never been called for jury duty again.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And this is the part where I am so I mean,
of course they they'd like, uh huh, I just put
that black mark next.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
That was a Massachuset's I did get calling for jury
duty in LA listeners will remember on Christmas, but they
they never made me show up because they probably looked
up my file.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Right So, and I am still annoyed about the fact
that I got a jury a federal jury duty summons
and then didn't have to go because I guess the
case that they got played out or whatever like that.
But then it gave me the option. That's like, if
you want to option can if you want to continue
to be considered for future like jury duties or whatever

(04:30):
like that for the next time ones open, you can
mark a thing. And I was like, hell, yeah, I
would love.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
To be you want to be that.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
I want to be the guy to be like, is
anyone else not at all highly skeptical of the police
and you any capacity here there? Could I be the
voice of reason twelve?

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I agreement them, but like but like you're just like, listen,
either we are at a I'm not voting guilty, So
either we are at a mistrial or you all agree
with me. I don't care which.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, I'm just gonna come in at the start of this,
just tell everyone my vote's already.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
Yeah, I already.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So it's really we don't even have to pay it.
It's like it's fine. We can all just go, or
we could just hang out and then like at the end, yeah,
I get free lunch, get some get some free lunches
out of it. Maybe we get sequestered, you know, get
a nice stay at a at a holiday in somewhere.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm having the time of my life.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Because I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie to you. Guys.
This is better than going to work for me, just
fucking up the system.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Entirely fifteen day.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
It doesn't even better again, they I still get my salary.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I'm working remotely. I'm just like texting.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, Like it makes not a damn bit of difference
to me. So whatever this is, I'm pretty sure the
person didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Even if I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Again, because I'm going in with what you're supposed to
witch is that the presumption of intimate innocence, So you
got to you legitimately have to prove to me that
they did it, which, shockingly, isn't that how the system
is supposed to work.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
And not only that, but they've made it easier because
it used to be beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Now it's like beyond a reasonable doubt.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well defined reasonable.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Right, yeah, Reuter story.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
What is But again, what is reasonable? I agree what
is reasonable to you might not be reasonable to me.
And if you're then going to go into this whole
measure of well, it's it's the way that I look
at life generally considered unreasonable. It's like, but who gets
to define that? It's only reasonable. It's reasonable to the

(06:37):
prosecution if it favors them, it's unreasonable if it does not,
which to me in and of itself is not reasonable.
So it's kind of the whole thing doesn't work based
off of this. So it's it's just I was really
pissed they never called me. They never called me for
the second time where I was like, yeah, well to
be involved, they didn't bother Someday, someday I really would

(07:00):
like to SERVEO to jury, just to see what it's.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Like one day, baby, just to see what it's like,
you know, just to see what kind of chaos I
can rot.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
It's you know, it's we do this podcast and I
don't know, there's something interesting about the process to me never.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Having and you've all and you've always been an order guy,
and this is all as this is all an order episode, baby, Yeah,
and it's uh, except for one quick trip to the hospital.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
Right, which what what the what the fuck? Okay, before
we get into like we'll get to that part in
the episode, they never actually say it's like Rollins is
in the hospital, Rollins has gone into labor. It's just
we get there and she's already in labor. But there
was a scene missing where someone says Rollins has gone
into labor.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Yes, yes, that that is part of Trivia Corner.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Yeah, it's like that has to be from the groops department.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
There is no there's a deleted scene.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Well that's a goof then, because the deleted scene is
helping helps that. It's kind of a load bearing scene,
if you will, because becoming and it's like, all right,
why is she in paydon Now? What's that? Oh she's oh,
she's giving birth. What the fuck is happening here? I
don't know, dumb. But now that we've gotten that out
of the way, onto the main event where we are

(08:20):
gonna be viewing, viewing, and read, God, I cannot talk today,
viewing and reviewing Season seventeen, No actually dead sober this time.
Season seventeen, episode nine of SVU entitled Depravity Standard. Right
after this and we're back. And as as we said
before the bread, we're gonna be viewing and reviewing Season seventeen,

(08:43):
episode nine of s FEW entitled Depravity Standard. Just a
reminder to our listeners, all the episodes are available to
watch on Hulu and PEA copy recommend that you watch
the episode before heares break it down. This one, as
with most of them, is infuriating, as it will be
going forward. But before we get into breaking down theisode,
in the greatest tradition we have on this podcast of EVE,
you are gonna hit us with a ninety second recap

(09:04):
of what happened in this week's episode. So, if we're
gonna put ninety seconds on the clock, why didn't you
tell us what the fuck happened in this week's episode
of Best for You?

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Okay, you guys. A close up of Tom Sizemore closer
than you ever want to beat a Tom size more.
And it's his videotape testimony of when he was the
baddie in a season twelve ap whatever episode from twenty
twelve season thirteen episode, and he was he's like admitting

(09:36):
to snapping a kid's neck because he's like a chomo
or whatever. These are with trouble a lot in this.
And it turns out that Tom Sizemore's arraignments or has
already is just up now three years later, and even
though his lawyer has arranged a plea, he pleads not guilty.

(09:58):
He's innocent, and he says that Live and the rest
of SVU and even his own lawyer are like railroading
him into admitting that he killed this this boy, Hector Rodriguez,
and kidnapped this other boy, even though they found the
other boy like in his custody. So the other boy,
a live boy's mother is like, I'm not gonna put

(10:19):
my son through, you know, a trial, so like get fucked,
And the dead boy's mother, Lisa E Liza Cologne, is
like what and so they have to. They they're like
basically going to drop or or pretend these charges don't
these kidnapping charges don't exist, and put Tom Seizemore on

(10:41):
trial for killing that that boy, Hector Rodriguez. And this
is an episode from a few years ago. You remember
there was like a volunteer cop played by Alex Carpovsky
was like super weird and they thought he did it.
So it turns out that guy's been stalking role because
of course he has and uh, and so Rollins makes

(11:05):
a call off screen to him to be like, why
the fuck is this happening, and and Alex carcass He's like, well,
you know, I never saw the sky Hoda Tom Sizemore
like like actually kidnap the kid. But I'll just say
so im perjure myself because I like really want to
be in the s in the NYPD, and like all

(11:27):
cops lie on the stand, so you know, I'm just like,
we're not dressing for the job I want. Meanwhile, Careese
is shadowing Barbara to be the junior Ada, and George
Wong comes back as the forensic psychiatrist that's gonna evaluate
Hoda for bea nuts and Uh, Cares's opinion expert opinion

(11:52):
is that he's crazy, but he's not crazy crazy, and
so George Wong slightly disagrees. He says that because us
Hoda was abused as a kid, anytime an authority figure
like yells at him and he admits to what he did,
that's like tantamount to his father beating him with a belt,

(12:12):
and Olivia's like, what the fuck? Man? And Barbara, who
just got done brow beating him into admitting that he's
attracted to little boys, is like, ah, come on, And
they blame macho posturing and call Barba a member of
the patriarchy, and h turns out the jury's deadlocked because

(12:32):
one of the jurors is just anti He just fucking
he hates cops because he's a fucking cop hater for
no reason. And they've been they've been deliberating for like
a week and Thanksgivings coming up. They're all fucked up,
and so the lawyer for Hodah, whose name I can't

(12:55):
remember because I'm my brain is leaking out of my ears,
wants to cut a deal with Barbara. Barbera's like he
just went back on a deal. What the fuck? And
so they're gonna they're gonna plead a criminally negligent homicide.
He's gonna get eight years. And literally as they're in
judge's chambers about to put the deal through, they get

(13:17):
word from the jury that they're deadlocked. And this like
fucking lawyer Hassler has an incredible evil look at It's
like deals off, no deal. And so it turns out
that they no deal, mistrial, and uh, and what are
we gonna do? Oh wait, the mom, who they in
any other episode the cops would have brow beaten into
putting her son on the stand, has a change of

(13:39):
heart and it is like, I'll put my son on
the stand so we can we can get him for
kidnapping or whatever. And Alex Karpowski is just like hanging
out at this the murdered kid's grave or memorial site,
and uh, and Amanda's in peril. She just gets rushed
to the hospital and like, maybe he goes into labor,
maybe he's like something else. She's got a pain in
her back, she's hemberged. Cut to Dick Wolf. Amazing, amazing,

(14:05):
ending to this stupid ass episode. What actually kind of
liked this episode until that point.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Here's the thing. I like this episode because it. Actually
it's I I really, how do I want to say this?
I like this episode because our our da or eighty
eight and our cops get put in their fucking place. Yeah,
it's like, yeah, guys, that's how this works. It's not

(14:36):
just well the.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Trial show is confronting live for like the shitty shit
that like the reason that this jury is dead, like
isn't because this dude's a cop hater, but because Olivia
definitely coerced this confession out of him.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
Right, Like they point like his defense Atturney at a
certain point in time is like, all right, so you're
showing us this confession. Got it cool? He said, all this,
You told me that you interrogated him for six hours.
We don't have any of that on camera.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
We just have this the ten minutes of him admitting
that he did it.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Don't you think if you're you're gonna bring a camera in?

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Also, they're like they like, the jury asked them to
ask the judge to define what coercion is and he's like,
oh yeah, when the cops threaten physical violence against the
or the like.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Do other Like it's such a broad definition. It's like,
how is everything that you guys get not considered coerce.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
The I mean, I agree, And then Olivia's like, oh,
what the fuck? The Supreme Court allows us to lie
to our art.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I know, and Jesus not look and I realize we
live here in the future. But as soon as she said, well,
the Supreme Court allows that, I'm like, and that's the problem.
If you say anything the Supreme Court does, I'm like, well,
then it's wrong because I live here in twenty twenty
five and have seen the makeup of the Supreme Court
and some of the rulings they have made, oh over
the past couple of years. So it's like, maybe we

(16:01):
should revisit that.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Guys, back in twenty fifteen, we were certain that the
Supreme Court was beyond politics, right, an a political organization.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Ah what a just really worried about the the rule
of law and and all sort and and and the
country and upholding the constitution. What's that? Oh, there's somebody
in my ear. Oh even then, uh oh oh, even
then you say, huh, well, huh, how about that, I'm

(16:31):
being told it's.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
All my shits. Yeah, oh, it's all fake. Great.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
When confronted with so you were lying rather than live
just being like yes. She was like, well tell you well,
Supreme Court said, it's.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like yeah, the only time she like that, like fucking
uh cites legal precedent in the history of this show.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
Yeah, it's like, as a cop, Eye, my duty is
to uphold the law and according to the Supreme Court,
because pub It's like, yeah, that's It's like the other
day where it's like with the girl, the little girl
that uh, the pastor that was trying to marry the
little girl. Well, you know by New York it's technically allowed, right,
And Christ's like the fact that you're making a legal
orgament right now is not a good sign for you, bro.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It also reminds me of the Community Policing episode where
all the cops like cite the exact definition of the
qualified immunity that they fall under.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
It's like, I thought my life was in jeopardy and
it was either him or me. I fear for my life,
so therefore I had to act.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Therefore I had to act. So we open on just
the like such a close shot of Tom Sidde, closer
than you ever want to be to Tom size war
He's dead, right, he is dead. I actually have a
note about this on the on in my notes.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yes, all right, rip Tom size Moore. He had a
lot of demons as it turns out again, and I
think last when we covered the original episode, we were like,
Tom Sizemore isn't acting.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
He's just I'm not acting. Yeah, he's sweating when we
meet him in like the present day, he's sweating a lot,
and I don't think that that's makeup.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
It's an acting choice. You know, he can sweat on command.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
On command, So we see that the time stamp is
October of twenty twelve, and basically he's like, I didn't
hurt the kid. I didn't touch the kid, but the
kid was gonna say that I touched him. So I
snapped his neck and buried him in concrete. But I
didn't touch him, but he's gonna say that I touched him.
So I snapped his.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Neck and he's just like, can't have that, son, can't
have that, can't can't can't have.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
So I don't remember this from and that's my original.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
That's my note too. I was like, wait, is this
actually taken from that? Because if it's not, it would
be pretty ballsy for them to not because at this point,
yea they're aware that streaming services exist, and we can
go back and watch the original episodes, So I would.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Hope, I bet that it is verbatim what he said,
but like they would have really had to have what's
it called, like a sixth sense to know that they
were going to need to use like this video angle

(19:14):
to shore at the time. Yeah, So but then we cut,
we cut to the present day. We cut to him
being arranged.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
So he's been a rain it's I guess it's that
was my note too. It's like, wait a second, so
he's just been in jail for three years. They haven't
actually taken him to trial yet. What the fuck happened there?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Or maybe yeah, yeah, wait what the fuck? Yeah? I
mean like clear that that is kind of was.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
There another trial and a mistrial? Like what what exactly?
Why would it take three years for this to like
I know the justice system works slowly, but.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
I mean that's probably closer to reality than But like
every other time that we've seen this happen in this show,
it's like basically immediate yeah, or you know, unless unless
he got like slammed for something else and he's about
to get out. No, that that would make.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
It doesn't make any sense either. Yeah, so it's just
the gross guy. So this whole time, this is like
a gross miscarriage of justice, like what happened to like
a speedy trial and the.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Whatnot, especially like later on his lawyer Hastler's like, uh,
can we just get time served?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Yeah, it's been three years.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah at least, no, he definitely did kill that kid.
But but still, uh.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
But did he?

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I did, well, he kidnapped the kid that he definitely kidnapped, right.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
And again whenever they're bringing him, it's like, Okay, we've
got a plea. You gotta fucking allocute though, Tom Sizemore
and he's just like, no, I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I didn't do it. I can't be guilty to this ship.
And then we go back to the judges Champs.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well before that, we see Alex Karpowsky in the courtroom
in a police uniform. He plays Steven Lohmitton And I
didn't remember at the time, but we learn later on
in the episode, and we probably did know in the
original episode he is like an auxiliary cop. He's like
not a real copy and he just stolen valoring in

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the court.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Now, we we did know because we had a lengthy
discussion about the auxiliary police and how horrifying it is
because it's like, yeah, it's just volunteer people that want
to be it's like a sick.

Speaker 2 (21:23):
Cheese dick. Oh yeah, that we're not going to say
talking about exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
It's like that guy. It might as well be that guy.
That's what that's like.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
The Republican talking head.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Now you don't say, I wonder why, I fucking wonder
why murdering people apparently is good business when you're the cops,
when you're cheese stick, just go shoot people on the street.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
So they do. They they they bring everyone into judges chambers,
and by everyone, I mean Tom Sizemore, his lawyer who
gets fired. On the way to judges chambers, Barbara and
Olivia and Judge Hashi Horowitz is like, why is Olivia here?
And Barbara's like because she took his his confession, and
he's like, which also.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Does it make any goddamn would not be.

Speaker 2 (22:07):
No, that's not a thing, that's not a But he's like,
you you put words in my mouth. And I'm really
distracted in the scene because there's just a fucking Manora
on the bookshelf as if you didn't know judge Hashi Horowitz,
what his ethnicity?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Well, okay, so we do this podcast, so we know
Hashi Horrowitz. I would just like maybe perhaps also, wasn't
he like a defense attorney not that long ago?

Speaker 2 (22:33):
Uh? I think so he got I mean, not not
that long ago, is a long time ago. He was
a defense attorney that later became a judge. You're right, Yeah,
so good call. So he's been in he.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Is he supposed to be playing I mean, this is
gonna maybe be a bad question. Is he supposed to
be playing the same character?

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yes, he is supposed to be playing the same character.
And his last time as a defense attorney was three
seasons ago, when he represented Amanda Rollins in the Kim
Rolins murder episode.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Oh my god. So all right, so yes, we know
him as as the character maybe other people if you're
just tuning in.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, that's the last time we saw him. I actually
think this is the first time we've seen him as
a judge.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
Yeah, I'm saying, so maybe you know that set.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Drat that makes way more sense. Yeah, And we don't
see him again for another two years. And the only
reason I bring this up is the next the next
episode that he's in is entitled Info Wars. Cool.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
For fuck's sake, I really hope I'm dead before.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Then season nineteen, Baby Canyon, I can, oh.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well that's true. We really what we should do is
we should be recording every day of You've up to
canaan day so that so that listeners can and as
we're from beyond the grave, they can continue to listen
to this.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
I was going to pose the I got a schedule
all of them.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
We've got a schedule all of it. It's a real.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Rolling beyond the Grave. Yeah. So the the thing that
he is on trial for is kidnapping someone three years
ago and murdering this kid, Hector Rodriguez, sixteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, And basically Barbara's like, uh, I mean we had
a deal it. We're going to destroy you in court.
So like, I guess we're going to go to trial.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
But we got you, bro, and this is going to
be easy.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
And then we cut to Barbara and Live talking to
the parents of the Hector Rodriguez and what's there?

Speaker 2 (24:43):
The kid ya just just as just his mom. I
don't know what the other kid's name is white, white kid.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
The kidnaps, Yeah, the kidnap kid. And Barbara's like, yeah,
we actually we don't have that strong of a case.
Facts sure, it's like, yeah, we'll get a it like
Tyler or Wyatt or something like that to testify, right,
And the mom's.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Like, no, certainly, not no. My ex husband and I
don't agree on anything, but we do agree. Fuck you pig.

Speaker 1 (25:11):
So then it goes from We've got such a strong
case to oh my god, we have no case whatsoever.
We're so fucked because Hector's mom is then like, well,
why do we get it from Hectory? And Barba was like, well,
it was sixteen years ago and we never actually had
we didn't actually have any evidence. It was all highly circumstantial.
I'm like, and yet you are so confident that this
man didn't even though you yourself are admitting right now we

(25:34):
really have no evidence.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
But we just think, well, because we know that he
kidnapped the kid. And there's also this thing about like
the backpack, like he had like Hector's backpack on him
or something like that, or knew where it was.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean, I just like, if it's if it's so
easy to prove then why.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
Then prove it?

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Then prove it?

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, I agree, I agree. Uh don't make me side
with the kid murderer, but I agree.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
If you don't like the tousch, push learn to stop it.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I I definitely agree with that. Go birds if.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
You if you think it's easy to prove that this
person did it, then prove it then fucking do it.
Like why everyone is so afraid to do their fucking job.
They detest it to such a degree it's like it
makes you you wonder why we don't fucking trust you.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, you know who's not afraid to do his job
at other people's job? Caresy because Krees corners Barba and
he's like, you know, I'm going to law school at night.
Maybe I should uh shadow you right now. For no
particular reason.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
The fact that every episode for the past however many weeks,
we always get the line shoehorned in there of like
that and well sbu is so shorthanded now because of
Rollin's being gone. It's like, yeah, we get it, guys,
but no, that seems to matter zero percent because every
week we say that, and every week nothing is changed,
and nothing.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Even says like, aren't you shorthanded, and and he's and grease.
He's like, oh live can't wait to get rid of me.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, she says Thanksgiving is usually when it slows down.
I'm like, yeah, I guess sex crimes don't happen over Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Question everyone's too sleepy maybe.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Or the lead up to Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
I don't know. But he wants to shadow Barbara, and
Barbara reminds him that shadows do not speak and they
have no opinions.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
I was kind of disappointed. I was like, how's Creesy
going to fuck this up?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
And he does. He immediately starts talking and he's like, well, oh, missus,
miss Hassler, I was a big fan of your father,
Sunny Creasy forda blaw at night school.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (27:39):
The old man was a legend.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
That wasn't in the the actual courtroom. So I don't
know if that necessarily qualifies.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Barbara did not specify in the courtroom. I think he
told him to shut up forever.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Well, I mean, well, that's just Barbara's way when it
comes out of Creasy Yeah. But Barbara also drops the
line of like, oh, yeah her because her dad was
like a supreme state Supreme Court justice or something like that.
Creasey brings it up and Uh Barba says like, yeah,
and she's still trying to impress her dad even though
he's been dead for eleven years.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
I'm like, okay, Christ.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
That gives us some insight as to this character. This
defense attorney, who is now not like Barbara, says that
she's like the queen of pro bono work or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, something like that. They also like definitely have it
like a thing. There's like some heat there between Barbara
and uh and Haistler. Yeah. So they go into what's
the what's the I don't even know what they're DoD
like the pre trial motions, Yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
It's now going now there's no please, So they're going
to trial on this, and the defense makes the motion
that they should separate the the charges, that the anything
to do with the kidnapping should not be permitted in
the murder trial because it was just going to confuse.
It's it's gonna be it wouldn't be probative.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's prejudiced. Yeah, And and Barbera's like, but that's why
we had him in custody, That's why he was there,
admitting to the murder.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, he's like, yeah, your honor. The people won't have
the context of why we It's like no, no, no, no,
no no, that's it doesn't no no, no, no, that's it's
not like, well, your honor, but I really want to
because otherwise people might not find him guilty. It's like,
that's not how this works.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
And and that's what the judge says, and Hassler tries
to double down and is like, and I would like
the confession stricken from the record because it was coerced.
And Barbara's like, let them watch it and see if
it was coerced. And Hashi Horrwitz says, as your old
man used to say, worth a shot, worth a shot,

(29:47):
what is with these like dad sayings on this show?
Worth a shot? Okay?

Speaker 1 (29:53):
That's also not like a dadism.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
That's not that's just the thing that people say.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, okay, so her dad said it. Average people will
say like, I don't. It's he doesn't own that. But sure.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
So Careasey goes back to SVU and everyone's like, how
did it go? And Creese is like, great, Barbara said
it would be really good if we had evidence, and
they're like, well, we don't.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
What does he want us to do about that? Oh,
where we're the cops?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Oh no, where the cops? Oh I totally forgot where
the cops.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Well, Also, Creasey comes in, He's like, ah, went great.
I think Vin's like Barba said, it went terrible. He's like,
oh no, it wasn't good for the case, but you
know it was good for I guess for me as
as an aspiring attorney. They're like, yeah, Barbara got destroyed
in court. It was great. I loved being there. Like
Greasy read the room, bro, what what side are you on?

(30:45):
He's like he's like a child in so many cases.
He just doesn't understand.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
Just give him a lollipop.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah. So Live is basically like, go back, see if
we can put h Hodah and the kid together there
anyone saw them whatever? And it's like, well, the only
person that had any information was like that Lomaton guy. Yeah,
and he would only talk to Rollins. In fact, he's
calling Robins in the middle of the night currently, Yeah,

(31:14):
at like three in the morning. Uh, so weird. So
they're like, yeah, I have take advantage of that.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
They all just blow by that though.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yes, it's like, have Rollins make a phone call and
have her encourage him to talk to you, and so
we go to the at.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Least at least she does it off screen.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, so they so, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
There's there's this mural, uh memorial for Hector Rodriguez, and
of course, uh, lomatans like meet me at the memorial.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
He's a weirdo and he's he shows up in his uniform, which,
by the way, we have to highlight again. They it
is a fake cop. He's not real. He's a real person,
but he's not a real cop, is he?

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (32:02):
And they start asking him questions like have you ever
seen him?

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Yeah? Basically they want to know that he saw this
guy Lewis how to like actually grab the boy or something.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Put them together, like had seen them together at any
point in time. And Lomantin's like, nah, but I will,
you know, I say, this is my my He's like, yeah,
this is my last year to try to get on
the the force, and uh, you know, if that'll help.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
I'm happy. What cops do is lie, so might as
well fucking do that.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
And they're like great, thank that's just fucking terrific, Thanks Lomititon.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Meanwhile, Barbara meets with live and is like, are you
sure you could spare CARESI because get him away from me.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I don't I don't want to leave you at a
lurch un s vu And she's like, no, no, no, no,
we're fine.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Take him. He's like a bad penny.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Our productivity has gone through the roof. Actually, since you
took him on this case, we're just closing cases. Paperwork's
getting done.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Well, that's because they're lying about everything, for sure. Also
true and so well, well, well, if it isn't George
waan figment of Kragan and barely Lobiton's imagination, it's the.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Only way that our theory holds water.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Now it's air tight.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
Fair And it's like a real bullshit, like, oh hey,
how's it going. Oh well, I'm here for a gis.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Anyway, you're in there all the way back from Oklahoma
City from the FBI. He's like, oh, yeah, fuck the FBI.
I quit private sector now, bitches.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Yeah, He's like, yeah, they loved me so much they
wanted to keep me in Oklahoma, so I said, go
fuck yourself.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And now I'm out a gay Asian man in the.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Middle of Oklahoma living. Barbara keep doing a walking talk
and it's like, well, yeah, you're gonna see him later
because or Barbara says to Live, like you're gonna see
him later because he's been contracted by the defense to
be an expert like psychiatric witness, and Live is shocked
at this. It's like, well, it's fine when he does
it for us, but how dare he take that elsewhere?

(34:06):
It's like, you, that's that the shouldn't the goal of
all of this to be to get to the.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
Truth and Lives like, uh, he he can't tell me
that he believes this fucking bullshit. And Barbara's like, he
definitely will, and please don't say that on the stand.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, he says, please don't act so defensively on the
stand because that will not look good for you or us.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
But uh, Careesy has a has an expert analysis of
Lewis Hoda and that he's crazy, but he's not crazy
or crazy, so he's like nuts, but he's still like
able to stand trial. I guess they're they're going for
like an affirmative defense of some kind. And uh and
also he's going to bring some food over to Rollins

(34:54):
in her hospital room or or apartment, depending on who is.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's I think it's apartment at this point.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
It's at the hospital later, but he says she's going
shacky wacky careesy. It's pronounced snack or whack.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
I was gonna say, shacky wacky is a phrase that
no one repeat. No one says. That is a one
hundred sunny CARESI.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Original hand me that piano.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yep, that's uh. I think we should try to work
that into the modern day lexicon. See shacky wacky, shacky wacky.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Why not? It reminds me of a sweet sassy molassy.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
A little bit I love I can see that, uh, and.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
A sketch that you can no longer see on the
internet because of some of the other things Ray Ramono
says in it.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh, i'd have to well, I have to go back
and for your watch, but apparently I cannot.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
So they put Hector's mother on the stand. Is played
by Eliza Cologne, who, as I mentioned before, is in
The Bear. She's great. I'm sure she was in the
original episode. I just don't remember, but she's awesome in
this and she's basically talking about the last time she
ever saw her son, which is when he's finally convinced
her that he was old enough to walk to school

(36:09):
on his own, and so she waved at him from
the corridor and then disappeared and never came back.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Whoops, hikes. Yeah, So then the defense does their cross
and it's like so and it basically it comes out
and it's like, so, you know they looked for so long.
It's like, oh yeah, everyone.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
They looked for for twelve years.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, and it's like okay, and and Benson was really
into the case and basically makes the application, makes the assertion,
or not directly, I guess, yeah, implies heavily. It's like, so,
would you say that she was so motivated that you
know she would she just needed to close the case.
And look at this. Look at Tom size cost just

(36:55):
look at him. Look at Tom size score. Would you
believe that man killed a child? Of course you would.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
It's top Sizemore Simore. And and so yeah, uh, Olivia
is very mad that Barbara just let her quote let
Hassler get away with that. And Barba's like, I couldn't
just shoot her? What do you want?

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Okay? And I really can we focus it on that
line for a hot second.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
That's a that's a fucking it's literally a drive by
a bit and.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
It's like, literally, Live, he has to speak to you
in cop terms and it's copsy problem only way to
solve problem the problem.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
But also the last time she was on the stand
was because she was like, all of those cops shooting
that armed black person was a okay by me, Lieutenant
Olivia Benson.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
That's right. I've been promoted. I'm of a higher rank
now because of all those shootings.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
And Barber's like, yep, she did it. She made you
look too conscientious, and Live liv.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Has this pretentious of like, well, fuck you, Barbara for
allowing the defense to do all the things that the
defence is a supposed to do and be allowed to
do a rumph, and he's like, sit your fucking cop
ass down.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Especially because she's gott to testify like after lunch, which
she's like, I'm gonna go back to s for you.
How the fuck? How far is this play?

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Like are they right Mexico?

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Shutting your car?

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Yeah? Like I wrote that down too. It's like, what
the fuck you mean you're going back to the squad
and you're you're up after lunch. They appear to be
on lunch right now. Yeah, what what are you doing
did go?

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Did you?

Speaker 1 (38:33):
You're like, oh, I forgot to bring my lunch and
just go get a go down to like that hot
dog vendor that's always.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
In front of the.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Like what are you? What the fuck are you talking about?
And also when she's like, I I'm better than you, barb,
but I have testified hundreds of times, it's like.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Okay, that's help.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
But you realize every trial is different, right, Like it's.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Not the same shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
It's not the same canned thing. I cop that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Bad well, it is the same can thing. It's it's
I feared for my life and that's why I shot him.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
It's like, no, no, no live, wrong case Rose the Supreme
Court is St Cliff live live, no no, no no
object objection. It's your wedness, scoutl.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
They put live on the stand and we get reminded
of the original case, which is that they they figured
out that there was water damage in the building that
Hoda was the super fore and he blamed it on
a nearby fire and I think he was like setting the.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Fire, was the one that was setting the fires to
break the red story?

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, that's that guy's a flamer and uh and.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
It was lomitin that recognized the pattern of art the fire.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Oh that's right, that's right, I do remember this, and
but like and she's like, yeah, so the water would
have had to flow like uphill two hundred yards to
water Damage's apartment, so we like we knew he was lying.
And Barber's like, hey, did you earth not Barbara, but
Hassar is like, did you think that you worked a little,
uh too diligently to find this killer? And she's like,

(40:05):
it took me a decade to find him, so.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
No, And she's like, well that's a decade my point,
it took you a decade.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
You want to shut off your desk. You got Tom
size more looking like Tom size more over here. Doesn't
that seem a little convenient? You know? And it's like
all right, fine, And is this where they also play
the No they don't do they play the confession at
this point?

Speaker 2 (40:32):
No, they do not play they question. Oh yeah, yeah,
because I asked her like did you confession? Because they're like,
are you aware that you interrogated him for six hours
before you start rolling camera? Right?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
And she's like that sounds about right, I guess, And
Barber's like did you coerce? And and she's like no,
and then whatever, Like the defense is like, okay, so
you threatened to make it known that he was what's it?
What's a chowmo? He? He's said chow mo so times
and she's like child molester. And would you say and

(41:06):
this was the most egregious things, like would you say
that child molesters have a harder time in prison than
non yah, the non child molesters. And Barbara's like, objection,
Lieutenant Benson, it is not some sort of a warden
at the at the fucking jail. I'm like, I mean,
that's a pretty weak objection, Bartman. Even the judges like fuck,
fuck you, No, she can answer that question. And again

(41:30):
it's like pointing out It's like and in my notes,
I'm like again you and I say this all the time.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And you this is what I wrote. It's like you,
this is your hot button issue. Go ahead and go ahead.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
It's like again, you are SVU and you are threatening
people with the very thing that you are there, the
heinous crimes that you are there to protect against. You
are then threatening those that are accused, not convicted of,
or proven of this crime with the same fate that
you have deemed so heinous. You are the bad guy.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
You talk about the cycle of violence all the time.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
And you guys are the ones that are just like, great,
we're just gonna tell everybody you're child molester and fuck you,
Like that's what's gonna happen. It's like, I again, you're
not realizing that you're the problem here that you could
say it's not coercion if I say, hey, we're gonna
send you somewhere that you're absolutely gonna get murdered if

(42:30):
you don't confess because of actions that we are going
to take. But that's not coercion. Why would that be coercion?
Why would that ever?

Speaker 2 (42:39):
It's not coercion. If you know that he's guilty, you're
just breaking him.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Oh right, I forgot. There was that whole thing about
the non presumption of innocence.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Have you ever seen touch of evil?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
I have not. I don't understand what does that have
to do with anything?

Speaker 2 (42:54):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Again? It's and I was like, good, finally, are everyone
on our cops side of the street is looking like
absolute shit? Because they should because they're fucking the batties yep,
masquerading as the heroes.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
So this is also where Olivia is like the Supreme Court.
She's like, did did did you say that you saw
him with that there were witnesses that saw him with
other children in the neighborhood, And Olivi's like, yes, Well, I.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Don't think she even says yes. I think she just
says the Supreme.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Police are allowed to lie to courus and confessions.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
And so the defense story. He's like, so, just to recap,
that's a yes on the lie. She's like, yes, yes, Okay,
so you lied to this guy saying that you had
witnesses that are going to make him essentially a child
molester because they put him with the boy and then
told him that you're going to tell everyone that and
that if he goes there, he's probably going to get

(43:55):
the shit kicked out of or murdered for.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
No, for the lives Chobo in state prison.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
So for the lies that you so and you're not
seeing exactly why this is bad. And it was like,
what of it? I don't understand what the problem is.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Don't get it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
What's your fucking problem, lady? Why you gotta ask.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
This, Why you gotta why you gotta be like that.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Whose side are you on anyway? God, why is this
whole job not just us picking people to arrest, not
proving it and sending them to jail for the rest
of their lives. I don't understand why we can't just
do that. You got this this upp and he bitch
asking me over here like you really for six hours
and you only filmed him for ten minutes and you

(44:36):
told him that you fucking lied to him, and he's
gonna get murdered for being a chowbo, which apparently really
triggers him anyway. I don't understand what's your What is
your fucking damage?

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Lady?

Speaker 1 (44:48):
I can't believe you you're a betrayer to women by
defending that. It's like, just get it. You're right there,
you're right there. The criticisms, it's all right there. Just
why just get it? Just fucking get it. What is
there not to get at this point? What the hell
was wrong with you people?

Speaker 2 (45:07):
There? It is bring the bell? So so then they
put that they're they're really uh, they're taking their victory lap.
They put lewis Hoda on the stand, which I stake.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Mistake, mistake, It was a good counter As it turns.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Out that they were like rope a doping though that's
true because they were like waiting for Barbara to tune
him up, which which he does.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, And during the direct examination for the defense where
they're asking the Holda's just like that bitch over there
put words at my bouth and they forced me to
say all this ship I don't like little boys and
all this other sit and caresy notes like little boys
on a piece of paper and shows it to Barba,
being like that's a very specific He plays that. It's

(45:55):
like that's a very specific thing that he's saying. You
should probably hit him work and he does.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And so he's like, oh, yeah, you know I you
like little boys? Like no, He's like, well, you're going
to the to the playground a lot and he's like, yeah,
it's a park. I like parks. Like I like parks too,
but I don't hang out with little boys. Do you
like hanging out with little boys? He's like, no, that
doesn't make me a child murderer. Like, so you do

(46:22):
like hanging out with little boys? He's like, well, I
didn't touch that. I didn't hurt that kid. I didn't
touch that kid down the cad a lot down there.
He's like, but you did touch him. He's like, I
don't know, well because whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Barbara starts saying like, oh, you were like going to
the park and watching little Boys, and he's like, that's
that same same lies that she was saying. And he's like, no,
here are police reports of you hanging out there. And
that's what he's like, it's a park, but you know.
Barber's like, I like hanging out parks to him like careful,
BARBERA careful, easy, careful, you.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Would be too close to this help step brother.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Yeah, And then it turned then he's like, well I
didn't touch him down there, but you did touch him.
It's like ahha, like oh no, this is terrible. And
then Barbara like does his little victory lap by the
defense attorney and she's like, ah, yes, mister patriarchy, thank
you for doing all.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Of that weird right. Uh, Like she's like, oh, I
love it when a member of the patriarchy gloats before
he falls. What the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 1 (47:22):
I don't think that's a thing either. That's that's like
a that's something that Sonny Creese would say, because it
makes no sense. So then we get Wong on the
stand and Wong's like, oh yeah, that guy highly suggestible.
He was abused terribly as a kid, and basically, if
an authority figure tells him to do something, he will
just do it for fear of I guess, being beaten.

(47:46):
And the authority figure could be anyone. It could be
a cop I E. Benson, it could be even a
prosecutor like Barbara. And Barba's like, heytion, whoa objection? This
is devastating to my case. They're like overruled.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
She also calls him mister Hadda, but like only this
one time.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Yeah, we couldn't get a take two on that.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I guess not. And so yeah, So is now living
Long says despite all the macho posturing, he even admitted
doing the crime in the first place because he's afraid
of his dad and his and his dad's hype like
forced him to be hyper masculine. So Barbara yelling at

(48:33):
him was the psychological equivalent of the strap that his
father beat him with. And this just reminds me of
like the first couple of seasons of the show where
they hated shrinks. They just hated all psychologists.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Right, and that eventually loved them because it started they
started figuring out creative ways to get these tricks to
work for them. And now that he's now it's back
to we hate psychiatrists.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
But instead of that, he's still Living's just gonna pistol
with Wong in the elevator, right.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So basically is like yeah, it's and again it's all
hypothetical and like theoretical where he's like yeah, I mean
he that could be a response that it would trigger
in this guy. And I will say this for Tom Sizemore. Again,
we were giving him.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
He's a good act He's a good actor. He's always
been a good actor.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Yeah, and this role he is doing very well in
terms of him just kind of sitting there squirming the
whole time, and like it's like looks like he's at
so many times like he's about to get up and
start like yelling, but he doesn't, and it's it's well done.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yeah. Yeah, he's always working, which is which is a
thing that not all actors do. Yeah, sometimes when they
don't have lines, they just like power down like C
three po Sure.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
And so Wong is off the stand and is walking
is walking to the elevators and Live comes in. It's
a classic the door's about the shut, live shoves her
hand in, and then it is.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
I was I was waiting for just her shoving the
gun and.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Just back back back walks away, and she's basically like, hey,
he was going for a gun, and she basically confronted me.
Was like what the fuck man. He's like, look, he's
highly suggestible and you don't know and.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
She's like, you don't actually know that he did it.
She's like, he kidnapped that little boy. He's like, okay,
like maybe you don't know that. Well, we do know
that he kidnapped the boy, but Wong's like, that's not
what he's on trial for. That's not what I'm evaluating for.
And she's like he killed the other little boy, and
Wong's like you don't. I don't know that and you

(50:28):
don't know that.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
Right, And that kind of puts a button on it
because then like the elevator doors open and a couple
more people come on and they're not going to continue
this fight. But she was like, we used to put
these people away.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
And he's like gather yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
He's like, dude, like I'm doing the exact same shit.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Why do you think I quit?

Speaker 1 (50:46):
It's like I'm doing the exact same shit I used
to do when I worked for you. It's evaluating the person. Yeah,
whether or not you like what I have to say
is irrelevant.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
That should actually give you a little bit of peace
that I don't I'm not MANI being manipulated.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, wouldn't it be very wouldn't it be very concerning
to you? I mean it wouldn't be, But shouldn't it
be concerning to you? If I'm working for the cops
and I always come out on the side of like,
of course he's guilty.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Yeah, cops, cops, cops. Yeah, And so the defense mounts
their like alternative view of the crime, which is what
I guess John Munch was on in the original episode,
which is this fucking guy Stephen Lowitan, and he was
so obsessed with the missing he was like auxiliary police

(51:32):
never made it to the cops because he's very weird
and and was so obsessed with this missing kid that
whose body they eventually found that he was like had
this kind of beautiful mind stringboard in his fucking attic,
which I after they show pictures of it, I remember,

(51:52):
I remember it.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Which is why Munch was like, Yeah, that guy did it.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
This is why you don't ever throw up props. But
he was also the one that spotted the backpack in
where wherever it was And he's like, well, I was
trained by the NYPD. I have good eyes, my guy.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
But but you weren't because you're not a cop. You
haven't made it to the.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
You worn't I got. He's like Dwight Shrewd, which I'm
sure I said in the original episode as well.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Probably and uh Seizemore's attorney says something to be like
and and what is the name of the antipsychotic that
you're on? And that's what Bar was.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
Like, funny enough, it was Lomitan.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Put in the odds right, they named it after me.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
But he said that John Munch was a crank, a
conspiracy nut, and his own Captain Craigan apologized to him.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Along with everyone else at SVU.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah and uh and so uh. He also says that
he has a very special relationship with children, and the
uh Hassler's like you want to rephrase that. He's like, no,
I will not.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
And she's like, all right, did you kill the kid?
And he keeps like going to the like look into
the judge and being like you're out her. How dare
this defense attorney?

Speaker 2 (53:16):
How could you impugne my not copnists?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Yeah, And his response to straight up did you murder
this kid is I'm not going to dignify that with
a response.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Well, listen, this is like not the same as I
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
That you could just do that. I thought the judge
would then be like, no, you have to answer that,
or you can tell.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
The witness or make them plead the fifth. But like,
this is like the whole the whole flaw in the
in the legal system, one of the whole flaws in
the legal system in general, is like pleading the fifth
is basically an admission.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Of guilty, correct, because there's no other time that you
can invoke it unless it's I'm guilty. But you technically
can't make me say I'm guilty. But you know, it's
like what if what.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
So that the closing arguments are made, the jury for
women is making doing some incredible eye acting, and then
out on the court steps, Hassler is still like grand
standing in front of the press when Hector's mom like
runs up and is like, why don't you help people

(54:25):
who deserve it? They killed killed my son?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, and thankfully. CARESI and Barbara are right by there
and they pull her aside. It's like a Barbara, you're
pulled into this now and you had any comments And
he's like, uh, we have total.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Confidents of the jury by you, do you though?

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah? At this point, it's what like day two three?

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, cut to four days later and they still have
not come back with a verdict. And one of the
cares is like stalking one of the jurors on Facebook
and say how she keeps posting about a family reunion
that she's gonna go to on Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
You mean just Thanksgiving. She's gonna go to Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
But I don't love cops doing that.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Well, and they're like, all right, well that means they're
gonna come up with a verdict soon because everyone wants
to get out of there. I'm like, well, that's also
not great either.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
No, that's bad.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
That's not good, right, And this is the point where
Finnon gets a phone call and.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
See he's just like second line of the episode or whatever.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Right, and it's like, oh, I'm gonna go Apparently Rollins
has to go to the hospital, so I'm going to
go give her a ride or something like.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
That I just assumed she passes she passed out again,
like all the other times that we saw her pass out.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Maybe off screen. Yeah, there's a lot that happened off screen. Meanwhile,
Cariesy's like, oh, and the jury is coming back now,
so I'm gonna go up to.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Kind of and they yeah, you don't have a they
don't have a verdict.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
But they want is this where they want the testimony
read or this is where.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
They they want the they want to hear the rules
again to see if a co co confession is voluntary
or coerced. And the jury fore, Woman's like one of
us want to hear the rules. A journalm Beerfore stands
up and it's like it's a lot of us. It's
a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
It's like we all benefit from this. Don't just put
this on me, all right? Why does it hurt to
know the definition?

Speaker 2 (56:27):
And then Hashi Horror It's like rattles it off from
memory and is like, if the cops do anything to
inflict physical harm or imply the infliction of physical harm
or threaten and I'm like, whoa god, They're gonna vacate
every every single one every episode of the SVU from
here forward, is like Olivia's collars being vacated, which I

(56:52):
would like just like fucking yeah, paddling.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Another three hundred and seventy five episodes of just redoing
everything that we did.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Fuck and uh and so Carreese meets with Olivia out
in the hallway of the court and it's like, I
can't believe that they're using this, this fake coercion against you.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I can what you again, fit people learn the lesson idiots, right.
It's like, even if you don't believe it is coercion,
even if you, in your heart of hearts don't believe
that what you're doing is wrong or considered coercion, you.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Have to stop doing because it's ineffective.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
If it's yeah, if it results in you not getting
convictions and that people going free, just as a matter
of course, like if you want to succeed in your job,
stop doing that.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Yeah, totally. And then it turns out that uh Amanda
is in the hospital to like be monitored. Finn is
there talking on the phone to live and he like
hands the phone to a man, dos like want to
talk to live and a man is like fucking later,
not right now, not right now?

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Classic, Yeah, maybe later, yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
So turns out Loamatin pulls Carreese aside and barbar Barbara,
it's just jar Barbara. Barbara's side is like, I left
you seven messages. Turns out dur number four his name's
Thomas Johnson. He lied, he doesn't like cops, and Barbara's like,
fucking what are you doing. He's like, well, I I

(58:37):
bribed the bailiff with fifty bucks to give me jur
number four his name, and then I looked him up
and it turns out that in like fucking Maryland or
whatever he was, he lost his job because he was
assaulted somebody, and so now he like has a vendetta
against cops. And Barbara's like, let me get this straight.

(58:58):
You bribe someone, you oh, He's like, he also went
to the guy's like sister's house or whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
Like he asked her questions.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
You bribe someone, you impersonated a cop, and and you
did something that is not super helpful because the jury
is already deliberating, so there's no opportunity to have him replaced.
So like, you wasted a bunch of time. And Loboitin's like,
but will you tell the NYPD what I did.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
He's like, you bet your ass, I will tell everyone
at the NYPD what you did. Don't you even worry
about it?

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Lomititon's got it right. He's like, I want to be
a cop, so I will lie on the stand, waste
a bunch of time and money, and break the.

Speaker 1 (59:37):
Law ultimately for nothing, Yeah, in service of absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
So day six of deliberation and they are brought back
again because the guy who hates cops now wants everyone
every testimony to be reread to the jury and he's like,
I just want to make sure that and everyone you
gets to hear all this all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
And they're like, all right, I guess let's let's go
for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
And that's when that's Matt Reuter special. Yeah, but let's
just compliance.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
Hey, I'm just following the rules. Bad if you don't
like the rules, that don't put those rules in place.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
And that's where Sisport's lawyer is like, all right, can
we talk somewhere else because this is getting exhausted.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
So I'm so I also want to go home for
Thanksgiving and she's basically like, care this much? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Right, It's like I again, I am doing this pro
Bodo so it's not like I'm even just like racking
up the the billable hours.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
I've already maxed out my tax exemptions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Yeah, and she's like, look, now we'll take a deal.
And I was like, why are you going to take
a deal in a we already had a deal in
place and you blew it up, So like why would
we do a deal again? And she's like, well, it
was the wrong deal. It was the wrong please, so
we'll plead to this criminally negligent homicide.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
They originally wanted him to serve three years, and Barbara
gets an argue offscrean. Barbie gets argued up to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Well, no, because that was her offer, was three years
for the criminal next. Yeah, so eight was the best
that he could.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Do, the best the man could get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:09):
And uh, Benson and the kid's mom are both just
like that's terrible. Eight years. And he's like, look, man,
I got it up from three and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
I'm doing my best. He switches to Spanish. He's like me, chorzon,
I'm doing my best.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Because he even points out he's like, look where where
at six days or seven days? At this point, juries
that deliberate this long don't come back with a conviction.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
And she's like, well, then why are they even offering
a deal And he's like, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Then he says like jury's are unpredictable, and she's like,
well wait a second, I thought you just said that
they don't come. He's like, the point because no one does.
No one, fuck it does, all right, I don't know
what do you want for me? So this shouldn't have
even had this shouldn't have even gotten this far. I'm
not even supposed to be here today type of situation.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
This is when I looked up when when Sizemore died,
because I was like, I don't think he makes it
another eight years in real life, And it turns out
he lives for another seven and a half years, so
close he dies, He dies like like seven months shy
of eight years from this episode's airing, which is really.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Weird, fucking weird. Well, doesn't matter because it doesn't serve
that time anyway, what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
With tro what with the mistrial.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Yeah, so they come to an agreement. They're about to
plead it out in front of the Heshi Horowitz and like, I,
as the representative for mister Hoda, say that we plead
Oh what's up? The cop comes in a handsome something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
What's going on now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
The Horrors is like, oh, yeah, the Jerry's back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
They're deadlocked, wouldn't you know it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
And she's like, uh, I said none of the things
that I just said.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Our thing happened.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Gotta go by.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
So Hassler gives him like the most evil look when
she does this too, and one of the so obviously mistrial,
one of the jurors pulls Barbara aside and is like,
there's no point in reasoning with that hot cop hater.
He was just evil.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
No, I think they don't say that. I think they
were saying that Tom Sizemore was evil because they're going
to talk to the mom. I thought the victim.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I thought that they were talking about the the cop
hater juror.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
No, because it turns out they're like, oh my god,
it was the one guy. It's like, no, the one
guy just thought that the confession was coerce. And there
were two other people that thought Lomitton did it, so
you know it wasn't just the one to hold out.
It was three people, three of the twelve.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah right, And so they are like, oh,
are we gonna try and again. Are we not going
to try them again? Oh my god, Oh my god,
Oh my god. And then the like the mother of
the kidnapped boy shows up and is like, my husband
and I agree, we are going to allow our son
to test.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Oh yeah. Because at this point, the jurors ask if
they can come to like the memorial they're having.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Oh right now, Oh that happens at the memorial, You're right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Yes, And Barba's like, yeah, no, you can show up
and I'm gonna go, and Live's gonna go right Live,
She's like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Why the funk not this Also, this is sort of
a callback to when they meet Alex Karpowski at the
memorial and he's like, no one fucking comes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Yeah, and uh that we I remember the original episode
there was like that. It was like a time lapse
kind of situation of like, oh, everyone showed up and
then and then like show neighborhood changing, right exactly, I
do remember, And so it kind of book ends it
where we now have everyone there. Live brings the mom

(01:04:39):
of the kidnapped kid to the memorial and she's like,
we're gonna I'm gonna get into the test.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
And so I this is where the episode what reminds
this is also what reminds me of like they typically
browbeat someone who doesn't want to testify, like and they
would spend the entire time just doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, it would be everyone from SVU would.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Have and the other woman's Latin or you know whatever
whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
So we find out about that. We then cut to
the hospital where it's Careese like pacing back and forth
and she's like, uh, Creasey, go home. Finn's gonna be
here to relieve you. He's like, I'm not going anywhere,
and then Live shows up and Grease's like, all right,
contractions are like five minutes apart. It's like, wait, contractions,
What the fuck? She's in labor? When the fuck did
this happen? Shouldn't there be at the very least someone

(01:05:38):
off screen gets a phone call, what Rollin's is in labor?
We're on the way. We missed all of that. We
just like because last we saw was it was just
Rollin's in the hospital, who wasn't thrilled about being there.

Speaker 2 (01:05:51):
Yeah, she's and she's having a contraction, but it's not
a contraction because she's like it's in my back, well.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
But it but no, no. I mean she says that
she's like, well that this one isn't a contraction, but
it sounds like she was having contractions, because then why
would Carrese. I mean, he's an idiot, but I don't
I think if he was like, all right, Amanda, that's
another contraction, she would be like, caresy, I'm not in labor.
Stop saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Well, turns out and that's our dick Wolf. This feels
like the end of a season. I fucking wish.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Oh if we should be that lucky.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
And so from Trivia Corner, this will this will explain
some things. That's our that's our episode for this week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
That's very obvious. What happened?

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
What happens?

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yeah, unless there was just like literally everyone was asleep
at the switch on set that day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
No, no, no, I was not the leading scene. So
that's depravity standard Season seventeen, episode nine of U S
FORU from Trivia Corner, Kelly Ginnish shot the hospital scenes
four days before actually giving birth. That sounds about right,
holy shit. And the Manhattan Vigil, which is the episode
that this references, is the three hundredth episode, okay, which

(01:07:00):
is why that that is also the episode that has
John Munch like flashing back to something that happened in
the first season. So it's I think it's like all connected.
Why why it happened with episode three seventy five. I
guess three seventy five is a nice round number.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
But sure, you're so close to four hundred. Why not?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I know, just do it next season or it would
actually be in Yeah, it would.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Be next season, next season, next season.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So bead Wong makes his first appearance since season fifteen,
and he has appeared in two hundred and thirty episodes
of SVU. Robin Wygert, who plays the attorney Hassler, played
a different character in a two thousand and six episode
called Recall, which is a Stabler and Danny Beck episode.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Ah where they fuck, where.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
They fuck exactly? And I don't I don't know, Okay,
So this is this is the hospital thing. Even though
this episode ends on a cliffhanger and the audience has
given no clear explanation as to what is happening to
Amanda Rollins during her sudden distress and labor, a deleted
scene reveals that the cause was a placental abruption. Placental abruption, Okay,

(01:08:20):
and you were right. This is the first episode to
show that defense attorney Hashi Horowitz is now a judge.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
But that also still doesn't answer the question. Okay, so
it's a placental why would it? But it doesn't show
when she started going into labor.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Yeah, I don't know. I think it's just all kind
of happening. I super duper hope that next episode doesn't
open up with her like in labor. I hate it's
just gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
It's gonna show up. It's gonna start rather with her
just like holding the baby, like boy. All that happened
off screen in between episodes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
So from the Goof's department, a person convicted of one
count of criminally negligent homicide cannot be given a sentence
of eight years. The maximum is four years. Cool, what
a goof? And the jury requests that some of the
testimony be read on November twenty second, which was a Sunday,

(01:09:17):
so they would not have been there.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
They would have been, Oh my god, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Man, I do I do? I do the Lord's work.

Speaker 1 (01:09:25):
You all right to whoever looks that up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Good job, get a job, keep doing the Lord's work. So,
from user of view corner, this Mark said, really interesting.
What what? What do I call it? A really interesting
A red letter day for us because I believe that
this is the first episode that b Cogan Bing has
not reviewed. He tapped out, He tapped out, people do

(01:09:51):
not like this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Three and seventy four. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
Yeah, so we're gonna read a couple of them. We
typically don't read b coging Bing's a because you know,
he just kind of recaps. They could just kind of
recap the episode. But this is from Motaz shark a
wee two thousand and two, from from November seventeenth, twenty fifteen,
So right after the episode came out one out of

(01:10:16):
ten stars lazy writing. Yeah. First of all, let me
start by saying that I love the show. I rate
all its episodes at a very high standard. That is
until this episode. Of course, continuing continuous story from an
old episode is not something new, but it's not a
bad thing. However, when this continuance adds nothing new and

(01:10:40):
feels more like a repetition that just goes on forever,
it feels more like lazy writing to me. The same
characters Hector's mother crying, disturbed officers that contained the case
White's mother not wanting to involve her son. Yeah, the
White kid are there doing the same thing that they've
done in the previous episode, the same insinuations at the

(01:11:01):
trial coerce statements, they actually write course in statements. But
I think, I think I know what you mean. Questionable
jury member, obsessed police officers about finishing the case, interrogations
of previous members. It was just boring as hell. Not
only that, but to add salt to injury, that's not
a thing people say White's mother. White's mother didn't want

(01:11:22):
to testify so as to make an excuse for the
story for the sorry state of an episode. She then
changes her mind at the end. The writer's way of saying,
you know what, we could have avoided all this, but
we wanted to just get paid for an extra episode,
So why the hell not. This was a useless episode
that could have been avoided. The writers kept stating in
the episode that the jury might be in a hurry

(01:11:44):
and batch the trial because they wanted to go home
for the holidays, but it looked more like the writers
are the ones who botched the episode because they were
in a hurry. Ps for the future, it's better not
to have an episode at all than to have a
bad one like this one out of time and starts
my God and from a similar side of the isle.

(01:12:06):
Question mark from Trained Wreck w R E c K
from July seventh, twenty sixteen, four out of ten stars.
Decent episode ruined by misandrist pandering in the middle for
no reason is the.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Title can't wait for The review started.

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Off decently enough until the writing for the Defense Attorney
has a man hating ball breaker basically happy happier to
see a man disappointed that her own win the win
in the case. The writer clearly hates men, and this
series has enough problems without this blatant nonsense in It's
in it from Defense Attorney from a defense attorney already

(01:12:52):
playing part of the villainy of the episode. We get it, NBC.
You like pandering to social justice issues, but have some
tact other than that. The episode's all right. It has
more court than investigation in it, and Benson is is
whinier than usual. It seems to have been written to

(01:13:12):
forget her own flaws and the nature of trials and
juries again, but it's watchable beyond the awful inclusion of
sex politics in an episode that has nothing to do
with it. Four out of ten.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Starts what a reasonable Nazi?

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
Yeah, well, are you okay? I say this as someone
who has reviewed three hundred and seventy five episodes of
this show. You need to calm down, train Wreck.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
It's it's a throwaway line. It doesn't have anything to
do with anything.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
It is a dumb throwaway line. But like the fact
that you're like man, I was enjoying the shit out
of this until he said something, until they said something
about the patriarchy, and then my dick shriveled up and
fell off.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
And then I decided to hate all women, much like
the police and society.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
Oh boy, So that's our episode for this week. Cloud
Er SVU Season seventeen, Episode nine entitled what the fuck is?
This episode called depravity Standard. Okay, if you agree or
disagree with us, if you know what depravity standard means,
let us know. We're an sv podcast on Blue Sky,
which is the official Blue Sky of Missandry shit.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
You can take that to the bank the Bloodbak Senator
and for longer or weirder stuffhere tweet, size email, send
us an email. Special viewing units strewd oldgmail dot com
and give us a rate review wherever fine podcasts are sold.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
And tune in next week. Oh Matt wouldn't review and
review and take this show away from me and lovingly
ridicule Law and Order SVU Season seventeen, episode ten one
that people have warned us about.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Okay, I don't love that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
Uh an episode called Catfishing Teacher Go for Fuck's sake.
While trying to locate a teacher who may have kidnapped
a fifteen year old boy for a romantic weekend, the
team discovers that the boys kidnapping may be part of
an even more sinister plot involving a coach. So this

(01:15:24):
is prepare yourself a young, an older looking but fifteen
year old boy and like a hot teacher, a hot
woman teacher who like kidnaps him, So get ready for
I'm gonna guess Careesi and probably Mike Dodds to be like,
whoa what if this happened to me when I was fifteen,

(01:15:46):
I would have fucker loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Now I think that's definitely cares Todds seems a little
bit more by the book.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
My dad always says, fuck your teachers, so fuck if
you got him. So returning we have special special Sergeant Mike.
I don't know why, Special Sergeant Sergeant Mike Dodds. We
have uh, Kelly Barrett as the teacher. I don't know
who is playing the kid because there's a bunch of

(01:16:13):
different kids. And in Robert Schon Leonard as ad A
Kenneth O'Dwyer. And in one of the weirder turns of
this show, Judge Janine Piro as Janine Piro Like, yep,

(01:16:34):
that one, Yeah, that the the one who's drunk on
Fox News right now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
No, she's isn't she now the the judge for the
US Court.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
In you are actually right, she is the interim US
Attorney for the District of Washington. Fucking kill me, please someone,
she is definitely drunk.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
Well, we just hold that constant.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
Can't blame a fish for swimming, for sake. Oh my
fucking god.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
Kenyon Day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Uh, I I don't know if I'm what, I don't
know what I'm gonna do when I see her on
the screen. Canyon Day can't come soon enough. And until that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Four your honeymoon before Canyon Day. Yeah, yeah, go behind
a high note exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Oh my god, Janine, fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:17:35):
Zero god, god damn kidding me. Literally, the one that
Cecily Strong did her personation of on her last episode
of SNL.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
Yeah, that's that that lady.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
That's the lady.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
That's the lady. And until that four well order special viewing,
you know, and I'm a rub, it's Kine Matt Reuter.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I guess for fucking we're still doing this. So I
guess we'll see you guys. I hope not, but I
guess we'll see you guys next week. Pray for death

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