Episode 377 - S17E11 - Townhouse Incident - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Law
and Order Special Viewing you to the show so you
don't have to show review, review and loving ridicule everyone's
favorite cop dramin Law and Order Special Victim Suit every
episode in a bro from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Of Eve just moved the one that you already did
to hear.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, that's the listeners, you would think, Oh, is there
some sort of a lag. No, I he was just
being an idiot. I am your host, Matt Ruyter, joining
me as always, the the the Joe to my roxy.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Hell.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, that's a room beside over there. How are you
doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Avive hopped up like on drugs?

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, like Elon Musk, he's all. He's all kennebine down,
taking the hostages and stuff. That's fun.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Uh. Getting punched in the face by his child.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Or another Trump associate, depending who you ask, it's uh,
it's just was it Stephen Miller? I thought it was
as fucking the Treasury Secretary?

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh, I don't know, or it might have been multiple
people for all we know. Fuck Steven Miller's wife.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think he already is. I don't think he's trying.
I think that is that is successful. I think Stephen Miller,
from what I have read, like dispatched his wife to
try to run Musk as an asset, and instead now
the wife is in his pocket. Yeah, and now the
wife is going to work for Musk and is probably

(01:23):
also fucking Musk. So it's like, it's just great, way
to congratulations, you played yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
A friend of mine went to both high school and
college with Stephen Miller.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
I'm assuming anything that this person would have to say
about Stephen Miller is going to confirm what we already.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Know, correct, and then some yeahs about right. How's how's
your week been?

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Matt week has been pretty good so far, given that
it's it's the very beginning of the week. So since
I don't even honestly, I don't even remember what day
when did we record the year? Like years I know,
especially with this, uh, this compressed schedule where we're doing
so much and such a short amount of.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Time, listeners will hear this on July seventh's.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
So far away. It's so very very far.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
What are you thinking of? What what do you think
you'll be doing on July seventh?

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I don't know. I well, I enjoyed my fourth of July.
I guess it was what a what a grand day
it was now doing good, you know, nice nice weekend.
Not a whole lot going on weather, it's been nice
out here. Yeah. Again, this is also kind of the
other part about like whatever, we do a lot of

(02:38):
episodes in a short amount of time. There's not a
lot of there's not a.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Lot of a crazy story.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Well, you always have a crazy story because you live
a crazy life.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
This one's this one's a little different.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
I mean I could talk about the the Blake Lively
justin Beldoni. So basically what happened was of you today.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Just like fading Matt out slowly.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
So listeners, apparently today Blake Lively drops her her case
or her claim of like emotional distress. But how are

(03:33):
you doing to me? So apparently things are not good
out your way from what you said, ups and down,
spins and rounds, roundabouts, Matt. Okay, so I have a.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Couple of things happening, Sure, a couple of things happening. Okay,
I think one oh about old No, but hot Lips died.
We were so close.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Right like we were in the we were in we
were on the board. Just didn't hit the target.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So you want fun or I guess I can tell
you what I'm like Blake Lively about.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
It makes no difference to me because you're gonna tell
it all to me anyway. So whatever, whatever, is going
to be the most dramatic way for you to present
the materials.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Two things are happening. Thing One, I have been at
the school that I teach at for almost ten years.
This all will be my tenth tenth year.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Did you get are you full time?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Now?

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Did you get it?

Speaker 2 (04:29):
No? Not yet? This is this? So this is this
is what I'm talking about. So I by the time
people are listening to this, I will have you gotten
or not. But I the person.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
What but al right, so he's lefty, but he plays
right so for all intensive purposes, he's righty for the
sake of drum for the yes, right, So so really you've.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Played that's the case. I've never played with the left
handed drummer.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right, Okay, that's what I was gonna say, Like what,
hang on, hang on, hang on? Yeah, well this omit
that wouldn't work. That's this is now MA now mail
back now with that very interesting back and forth out
of the way, all right, so.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
If you want to know more about guitars, hit me
up podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
There you go. Uh, So to the mail bag, A
little bit of a mail here. I don't know what
we have on the blue Ski imagined something a couple, couple, couple,
So diving into the ga mail first email is from
listener Sarah Sarah Prime, Sarah Prime entitled mistaken death and
uh Sarah wrights Sarah Prime Here it's been a minute

(05:53):
in regards to the each ship and old story and
now breath. He was so good in Mash what if
my favorite shows ever. I have never seen a full
episode of Mash.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
My babysitter used to watch Mash every day. It was
it was Days of Our Lives Mash and then I
Love Lucy.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I've seen like three quarters of an episode. That's
as much as I got.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
There's there's like a laugh track, but they're like it's
Korean field hot.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Ye like it was. I I don't remember it entirely,
but I think it was like I don't know, like Alda.
They had to go out into the field to like
get there was some battle gold like he was like
in drag or something. They have to drop them out
of a fucking helicopter or some shit like that.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
Hilarious.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
I don't know if that's all accurate.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Rip Loretta Swift, who played Hot Lips hulahm.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
Uh we were so close, uh, Sarah goes on viv
don't give, don't give Matt too hard of a time.
Last week, I was convinced Lady Gaga died after my
friend posted on his timeline predeses Yes I still use
Facebook RP Gaga. I immediately googled her name checked, you
did Instagram, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
You did better than that. Natt didn't look anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I looked at the article which I set you, and
you were like, yeah, I would say that Alan Alda
was dead. Looking at this as well, but saw nothing.
I went back to his post for further clarity, only
to see he changes profile picture to him with a
very frail, elderly woman He called his grandmother Gaga and
she died. Whoops. In regards to this episode, I'm sure
does fly because look what I wrote to you y'all

(07:27):
in twenty twenty four and includes a picture that also
did not show up for me of Eve.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So yeah, I don't know what this is either of
us Sarah, I don't know. I don't know what the
fuck you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Man, I can't click on it. It's not showing up.
Do you have what did you write to us?

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Broken image? We must do something on Twitter that was
like get wait till someone gets raped with a flute?

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Was that oddly specific thing to be banding about on Twitter? Uh?
I'm disappointed with myself for misremembering that it was a
flute not a violin. Again, we have no context because
we know the screech.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
I'm assuming it was the flute one sure with.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Based off of fat last com Lowells. That is all.
Thank you very much, Sarah Prime.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Oh boy, okay. Next up is from spell Check super
fan an agent of chaos, Lily Oxeth. Lily writes Matt
and Avon woke up to the podcast on.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
My minore now going to be Avon Rubinstein.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
I want you to put it on in the street.
We back up. Woke up to the podcast under my
pillow and old epp And for years I have been
so confused where this poopazoid started and this and the
podcast was where it originated. This has been bothering the
ship out of me. Now I know. Challenge do you

(08:51):
remember the origin. Of course I do, Lily, it's because I.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Eating a chocolate.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
It was like a It wasn't a chocolate, it was
like a bar. I think there was looked like it
was it was there. It was a chocolate bar. It
was like it was like a cliff type bar, you know. Yeah, yeah,
like and it was supposedly healthy, supposedly for energy. Looked
like piece poop but in a trapezoid. Yes. Right now
I'm sat with Garrett watch Brave Heart. He's never seen it.

(09:20):
Oh dear well, he's British, so uh it doesn't make
his people look very good.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah. So the I've never actually seen. But there's there's Scottish.
They're the Scots in that.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
They are the Scots. Yeah. I actually like Braveheart. I
didn't see it until we were in Malaysia and Leanne
was like, why not watch Brave Heart. It's three hours long, but.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
In Malaysia watch this.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah. I do like it. I think it was quite good.
Mel Gibson not the strongest actor, but got a acting
not for acting. I think it won Best Picture.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Did he get director to I don't no, he was
If he didn't win, I think he was at least
nominated for that wasn't he?

Speaker 2 (10:07):
It is? It is in the top two fifty on
IMDb because only dudes vote on IMDb apparently, and uh,
the awards section, they keep moving things.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
I know, stop fucking with the IMDb.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
All right, it told when I was a kid. Anyone
else gets mad about things changing, they're wrong, but I'm
right about this.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Yeah, Like you guys at the IMDb have let the
trivia section and everything just go to absolute fucking garbage.
The least you can do is stop fucking with the formatting.
You already ruined it.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
You are correct, it did. Mel Gibson did win Best
Director for Braveheart. Ah Victory, and John Tole won Best Cinnaotography.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
And I've never seen it, but I know that I don't.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Notable because I don't know who John toll is. But
he did shoot eighty for Brady Oh god, oh, he
shot Tropic Thunder oh and almost Famous.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, So he's legit, it seems.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
And Jack he did the Francis Ford Coppola Twofer, Jack
and The rain Maker.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I actually like The rain Maker.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
I do too. He went from Braveheart to Jack, to
The rain Maker, to The Thin Red Line, What a
fucking roller coaster Ride? To Simpatico, to Almost Famous, to
Captain Carele's Mandolin, to Vanilla Sky to The Last Samurai Wow,
to Elizabeth Down What are you doing? John Toll?

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Getting paid is what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
That is correct. He did in twenty twenty one he
did The Matrix Resurrections, which I actually like more than
most people, and then right after that he did eighty
for Brady.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I remember that Matrix looking okay.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think, well Bill Pope shot
the first three, and I'm sure that he just had
to kind of make it look like the originals.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I mean, if you were making the same movie in
the way that all of these reboots, it's like, we're
just gonna remake the first one again and call it
something else.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Did you see the new Matrix Matrix Resurrections.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
The newest one that came out how many years?

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah one?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Jonathan Groff as the Yeah, I did it.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Was fine, And that's a gag in the movie. They're
just like, we're just going to remake the Matrix R
Like what yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
Where They're like, oh wow, we're going back here's the matrix.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Look at this, definitely better than two and three.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Here's the thing. I never saw three. I think it was.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's the worst of them.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
It was on in the way like all right, so
in the same way like the Kine Heckman theory from PCU.
It's that. But whenever Cassie and I go somewhere, there
is always an episode of SVU on.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Yeah, clearly always why we started the show right exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
So whenever we went to uh, Wallah Walla, like outs
a wine country, we got in Andy, We're like, all right,
well we had uh, we had Maggie with this, so
it's like, well, we got to leave something on for Maggie,
you know, just for some noise. And of course there
was like a fucking a four hour rip of SVU
episodes in a row going on. So it's like, here
we go, Maggie, you're gonna watch SVU And I forget

(13:27):
what fun.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I was doing the sixty second recapre.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah, I forget what the fuck the uh the episode was.
But it's one that we had reviewed, and Cassie's like,
what's happened to this one? I was like, oh, okay,
and this one, here's what because you know, we were
halfway into the episode, so I had to explain the
whole fucking thing of what was happening. And I was like, God,
why do I fucking remember this. It's just uselessly just
occupying space in my brain for no reason. The things

(13:50):
we do for you people.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
John Toll is married to Lois Burwell, who is a
makeup artist who also won an Oscar for her work
on Braveheart, which she shared with Peter Frampton.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Like Peter different, Peter, I was.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
Gonna say, Uh, this article is about This article is
about the makeup artist Peter Frampton for singer Peter Frampton.
See Peter Frampton.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Just pictured to him putting on makeup, Like wow, wow,
wow wow wa.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Are you having a good name with ma? Why do
I have to change my name? He's the one who
sucks that that. Peter Frampton is Peter Kenneth Frampton, the singer.
The singer is Peter k Frampton, the makeup artist is
the is the true Peter Frampton.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
Who was born first?

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Uh, Peter Kenneth Frampton, the singer. I'm saying Frampton so
much this episode is was born nineteen fifty and the
makeup artist was born in question Mark.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
He's an immortal, he's a Highlander.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
He might be a little older because he was an
active makeup artist in nineteen sixty in nineteen sixty nine,
so unless he was doing it at nineteen, which is
like maybe a little young. But yeah, it might be
a photo.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Finish this like on the same day in the same hospital.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
Like the fucking Umbrella Academy.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Which I never watched. Mean, well, we are not through
with Lily's email blisters just so you know.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Oh it's been one sentence. Sorry, uh poopa zoid. But well, okay,
brave heart. He's never seen it, oh dear, he's never
seen it because it doesn't make British people look very good.
We going on. We watched nos Faratu. I fell asleep.
It was awful. How would you know unless you want
to see Lily Rose's boobies before she spoilers is eaten
in half.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Thanks for the spoilers. Some of us haven't seen it yet,
but that's.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Fine, it's fine, it's fine. Yeah, it'll never.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Get it looks like it's again it's eggers, but it's
like it looks like, if nothing more visually fucking appealing.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
It is quite visually appealing the aforementioned boobies.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Well, I mean outside of that.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But okay, Robert Eggers isn't quite my my tempo, but
really I like him. I'm not an huge fan. But
Willem Dafoe in that movie is having the time of
his life.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
See I did you like the Lighthouse?

Speaker 2 (16:23):
No? Really, I like Willem Dafoe really.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, wow?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Crazy right?

Speaker 1 (16:30):
Podcast fight on that? I love that one.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I am looking forward to you guys getting to Season seventeen,
episode fifteen, when Shit hits the phone with Hank Abraham
the Teppinikan commissioner parentheses. This is my parentheses, played by
Josh Piss. It's horrible, especially how the old man gets
used for his broad band next door. What it makes

(16:53):
sense eventually, I don't know if it does. Also, do
you not remember that Pablo Schroeder whatever William Lewis's actor's
name is so close Pablo Schreiber was in an EP
in season three. Is the drug dealing dad whose ex
kills herself because she's bullied by the media. I vaguely
do remember that he's not really the father. The father

(17:15):
steals the kid for the old bat of a mother
if his his surname us Kendall, baby us named Kendall.
Matt points out us Kendall Kendall, and then Panlow gets

(17:39):
the baby. Then he's William Lewis. I slowed down on
purpose for that, just to.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Make sure we weren't missing any.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, just to make sure I wasn't anything. The show
is all over the shop newest Epps are crossing over
like crazy town ship it. Hope all as well. I
also hope you are well, Love Lily, Agents of Chaos.
Not a fan of tons of movies, but looking forward
to see F one in fourth this weekend. What I mean?

(18:14):
I know what F one is. Why are you looking
forward to seeing it in fourth?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
The F one movie? You're looking forward to seeing it.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
In like fourth?

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Like four d X in fourth place behind Mission Impossible.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
So you're excited to see a race car movie?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Joseph Joseph Cosninsky.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I know, like when find what's a good.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Race car movie? Zero? None of the four. I liked
Ford versus Ferrari.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Okay, I didn't see that night, but that is not a.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Fan of that movie. Really, I tell you, I saw
this the day after I saw the Al Gore documentary
and The Convenient Truth, and so the only thing I
could think of while watching Talladaga Knights was damn Nascar
is so bad for the environment. So it's the I
don't know if it's the movies problem per se. However,

(19:14):
I wasn't a fan the first time I saw it. Yeah,
ps high ros pbs. Garrett says hello and is working
on his next poem. Thanks Lily, I'm I'm worried about you,
but Lily uh follows it up with oops, son of
a monkey's ass. Sorry, Evive avon not calling I'm a Dinglein,

(19:36):
none of the.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Other typos or anything else. No, just the just that
one and that's Kendle. That's all the mail that's fit
to mail. Uh, So Vive over to the Blue.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Ski in a segment we like to call I just
blew myself.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I'm afraid I just blew myself. It's got to be
a better way to say that.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
We only have one blue sky. Today is from Miss
Rosemary NYC aka j G. S. Rose aka ak aka
the Wig purveyor so Matt. It's been a while since
we talked about the episode that came out this past
week because we're out on a limb here. But do
you remember how obsessed you were with Kim Rollins's wig. No,

(20:24):
she had a bad wig and you could not get
over it.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Well, if it's a bad wig, yeah, that's yeah, it
comes distracting. It's like if stuff is bad and it's
like distract. It's like again, if you haven't an extra,
that's doing too much that I'm.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yeah, that's the wig. What you're doing it.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Right, like you're it's it's taking away for what you
want to be paying attention to on the screen. That's
why this craft matters.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Stay stagecraft. So Rose writes Matt and Avieve, I resent
being lumped in with this Matt and AVEV watching season seventeen,
episode six, like, and it's a gift of a guy
just saying, wig.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Which episode was this? What was happening in the episode?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
It was the Stolen Fruit Flute episode. So she's a
sex worker and she's sneaking up to.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
The guy, and there's no way I could have done
this because.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
And then my name's Savannah. Yes, So yeah, she wore
a bad wigs.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
Like a week not like Pentatonics ripoff kind of thing
like basks on exactly.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
And so that's all. The mail bag is fit to
mail bag as always?

Speaker 1 (21:34):
What was? Now? What was the wig?

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Rose? You see what you've done? Look what you've done. Rose.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
This is why we don't get to do backwalks anymore,
because now it's like what No, now I don't.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Even see I edited the episode. So I agree with
Rose that you were really obsessed about this wig.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I'm gonna look at my notes.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Do you save all your notes?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
They're all in Google docs?

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So oh oh you do different a different Google doc
for every episode? Yeah, oh I do? Going back to
just delete everything Nope and start over on the same.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So if you if you want to go back to like, literally.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Are there are there three hundred episode notes? Oh my god?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Or for certain ones I may not have taken notes.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
For like bind it as a book.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
No, no, we really shouldn't, all of us all. Yeah,
hold on, let me see here.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Seventeen six is the episode you're looking for?

Speaker 1 (22:30):
Seventeen six?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
I'm I literally think what I like, at least in
the first three notes is something about that wig.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
I'm sure. Well here's what's what's this notes here? Uh? Oh?
Steven Sigall Sundays for the.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Patriot, damn you. You've you're fucking me up with this.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
What's what's this wig? Episode here?

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Episode seventeen six, seventeen six, All right.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Let's see here, gott I gotta check my notes. Well,
Rollwins is literally about to give birth. That's one of
my notes.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
Yep, so she started We started it in the concert.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, here we go, all caps. What a wig? Exclamation point?
Oh no, not the flute. Good luck fleecing that lady.
That's gotta be one of the most trackable things ever,
specifically because it's seemingly rare or very niche.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Now the next note is, wait, who is this mook?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah? Because you you couldn't. You were too busy staring
at the wig to realize that that was kim roll.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, that's just one mention of the wig.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Uh. You should listen to the episode because it is.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
In the note more than what I believe it. I
very much believe it. Yeah, I'll put together I'll put
all of the notes into a Google drive so you
can just read it if you if you need to
waste time.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
That sounds horrifying.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
I I haven't even gone back and looked at them,
so you know what, clearly who fucking knows.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And that's all the mailbags fits the mailbag. As always,
you can get at us where as podcast on Twitter,
which is the official dope wor an su podcast on
Blue Sky, which is the official We're looking back to
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handle of looking back to the bat.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
You can take that to the bank the Bloodbak Senator
and for longer stuff oh above.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
The law, no mar it's hard to kill. Oh all right,
that's how he remembers this. The Senator by William Sadler.
It's like, I'll take you to the bank the blood,
the blood Bak Senator and.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
For longer or weirder suffer tweets iz email sent a
said an email special viewing you an instrument old gmail
dot com. Now that that's out of the way, onto
the main event. We're going to be viewing and reviewing
season seventeen, episode eleven. Is that correct? Ten?

Speaker 2 (24:48):
It is? It is eleven?

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Okays for you entitled Townhouse Incident because really reaching on
that one. Uh, and we will review that right after this.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
I was gonna introduce a new game because Leanne, I
guess we're back. I was gonna interest that game because
Leanne was like, oh, I thought you were done playing.
I thought you weren't done playing Taste or waste?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Taste or what does? Now? How does? How does that
game work? A eve which is just you just look
at the food and decide whether or not you're going
to eat it or just throw it away.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
I taste it and it's a waste of your time.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I don't care for I All right, listen, I guess
we're back. And season seventeen, episode eleven tenhows incidents I.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
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Speaker 2 (25:41):
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Speaker 1 (25:45):
A little little wet, kind of squishy as it were,
so aviv. Now I would like you to share with
the listeners just something that you had shared with me
relating to.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
Probably noisy nectary.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
How how the podcast stat have been ever since ending?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, this is actually this was what
promptedly and to say, I thought you were doing Taste
or Waste, which is I texted you that our stats
have gone up significantly since sunsetting snacker Whack and related
food tasting games.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Now I fully understand that correlation is not causation. However,
it is an interesting correlation, is it not.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Maybe people are too eager to tune in every week
hoping it will come back. Sure, you don't know that's true.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
We got we already got the download, so it's you know,
they could just be a lot of disappointed people every
week but downloading it so we still get the we
get the credit, so you know, we win.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yeah, but you're talking about it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
I said it. We're talking about it. That's that's how
this works, all right. So uh, in the greatest tradition
that we have on this podcast, before we get into
breaking down here, you're gonna hits with the ninety second
recap of what happened in this week's episode. So we're
gonna put ninety seconds on the clock. Why didn't you
tell us what the fuck happened in this week? Don't
shake your head. Why did you tell us.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
I could do it?

Speaker 1 (27:06):
You say, how many? Al right, listeners? Who's who's doing
the wiki? Which one of our fans is.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Volunteered for the MK ultra but she disappeared? Okay, well
I think the government got her.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
What with the MK Ultra and all. You know, if
it was mk Ultra mk Ultras three, which in our
timeline actually happens.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Before before two.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
How many times has Aviv said I said on the podcast,
I think you can do it this time. I think
you could if you actually try to get it in
ninety seconds. I think you can. And I don't believe
you've ever if you've hit it, I think it's only
been once.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Ez wrote in that I hit it like once or twice.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Yeah, and I think one of it was just during
community policing, which we'll get a call back to in
this one where it's just like the police murder and
our blad Dick Wolf uh so uh ninety seconds on
the clock, the greatest tradition, ninety second recap.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Go fucking watch this clock, motherfucker. Okay, you guys, it's
been a while since Olivia has been in peril. So
Lucy her oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god. Babysitter,
Oh god, I forgot the word babysitter. This does a
This is count This is a counts.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
It counts.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Lucy her babysitter goes to another babysitting gig and that
family is super weird. So Lucy obviously is an arc
tells the cops. The cops being Olivia. Olivia goes over there,
identified herself as a police officer, immediately gets taken hostage,
and it's basically the plot of Inside Man with fewer Nazis.
So yeah, I have a big a lot of inside it.

(28:36):
But she's she's taken in hostage. Meanwhile, Dodd's and Fidd
catch the push in rapists and bring him in alive.
Weird and uh and while the he's also it's also
like panic room. Uh So, while the three burglar the
three panic room burglars are trying to find the safe
that definitely does not exist in this house, Olivia is

(28:59):
trying to nego. She ate her own and the two
children's release. The number one burglar guy rapes the sixteen
year old girl because of course we need that and uh.
And then eventually it seems like Tucker, who's heading the
uh hasted negotiation, is is gonna make it all go well.

(29:21):
He gets the vehicle for them to leave. The rapist
girlfriend is like, well, I watched this guy rape somebody,
so I might as well surrender. And instead of allowing
this guy to take his escalade and go to the helipad,
this is not gonna be a fucking helicopter stupid slut.
Olivia Gunda at the back of her head does like
a spin wind Meal knocks him out, screams take the shot,

(29:46):
and then his head blows up. Dick well that She's like,
I gotta go pick up my son from daycare.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, it's so what like top one takeaway, Lucy, mind
your own fucking business. Secondly, Lucy, you are off from
watching Noah. You are presumably still going to be paid
for your babysitting duties even though they're telling you to

(30:12):
go away. This is what we call a day off,
Go do something.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
This is a fucking narc like.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
I would love to be in a position where it's
like I just have nothing to do. My time is
not accounted for. It's a free day. I don't have
to be a work I don't have to do anything.
This is where it's like, you know what.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
In fact, i'll do you on better. The only reason
that this guy no, I want to know, I don't say.
The only reason the inception moment of this guy raping
the sixteen year old is because Olivia is there, Yes,
and she keeps getting.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Text she keep she gets that girl raped.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
So yeah, if Olivia is not there, I don't know
if he rapes her. I mean he he doesn't definitely
not rape her.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I mean I don't think he rapes her. I think
that they might be murdered, but I honestly think at
a certain point time they just kind of are. They
would have just given up and just run away and
left them in the house like beaten and broken, but
like no one would have been raped.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
In or that the mom would have taken them to
the safe safety ba's box and and that's it. And
then they would have just like oh sure, yeah, but
Scott or the dad or whoever would still get the
ship beat out of him. Yeah, that kids would still
have guns to their heads. Yeah, and they'd be alive.
The burglars would be alive. And I'm not like, listen,

(31:34):
I'm not trying to prioritize their lives or whatever. But like,
I don't like it when the cops kill people.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Yeah, fewer dead people is better, normally depends.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
All the bloods and the sewers is throwing off the
pH of the Hudson River.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
I it's just like it's present, all right. So it
opens basically with fucking Lucy knocking on the door and
the lady being like, yeah, the kid's fucking sick. He's
got strap anyway, see ya goodbye. It didn't seem like
all that weird because here's the thing. Also, you don't
know the character, so whatever. Lucy's like, well that was.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
That was weird. Also worst Burglar Ever, because I have
I have like a kind of an interesting theory about that.
Maybe it's not that interesting about the Joe character. But
so she's knocks on the door the mom of the family,
who like doesn't really need a name such least Lisa,

(32:29):
I think.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Her missus whats.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Cravella not gonna be alive for very much life? Right,
is like the kids are sick, we're staying home, and
Lucy's like, oh, do they need anything? Can I like
go to the store, And instead of just letting Lisa
get her to leave, which is see Lisa seems motivated

(32:54):
to do, Joe from the other room is like, no,
we're fine, like worst Burglar or ever, just like let
her like just calm down.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Also, Lucy would presumably, I mean one would think, be
able to identify the dad's voice maybe right, like it's
she doesn't only interact with the mom if she's babysitting
the kids, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
So it's like, I'm not sure if you realize every
teen or twenty something girl in New York who's a
babysitter is legally only allowed to talk to the.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Momb oh okay, and what with her working for live
she's very very lawful.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Right, lawful, lawful, lawful. Yeah, and so the law.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
The lawful waffle, the.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Lawful flafful. But everyone buy our new red bubble t shirt.
The lawful Falafful. It's just like a Falaffel Peter with
a badge on it.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Right, It's like a Paul Patrol, but with Falaffels.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Acab includes ball patrol and the lawful fla and the
lawful Falaffel Acab includes the lawful.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Oh. And then his sidekick is a waffle. It's the
Lafful lafful Flaffel with its partner of the waffle Deputy
Belgim Deputy Belgium, Pip Cheerio.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
I know he should have a French accent. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
And and the lawful Falaffel also has the hair of
Mark Boone Junior.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
What a fucking very specific and vaguely racist comment.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
No, because the fucking what your kids don't like falaffe
or you wouldn't put the You can put the beard
on him too if you want.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
She met like very Greek care.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
No no, no, no, no no, because come on.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I got kids, man. So Lucy goes over back over
to Olivia's because she's an arc, and she was like.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
What the fuck does she even have to report? She's like,
I don't know if she was acting weird and lives like,
that's none of my fucking pistons. Okay, look around over
there was a fucking guy in the pickle costume jerking
off on you on the subway. Yeah, they're weird people here.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
By the way, this is something that I brought to
you in the episode that just dropped, where like Kim
Rollins and Amanda Ronins are screaming at each other at
this bistro with like twenty people around them, and I'm like,
wouldn't someone do something like.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Again, isn't that kind of New York? Isn't that always
a thing? Like anonymous New York?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
It's yeah, no, second, and I get it, like you
know the you know.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
These people, I guess, so it's not quite like that,
but like you have no idea, like you're just making
into somese Like, hey, I definitely like something could have
fucking happened. Elon Musk's kid could have punched her in
the face for all we fucking know.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
And frankly, it would have been easier, easy enough for
her to speak in some sort of code like Olivia
does later, yeah, something in order to like wilert her. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
So so like she literally goes to a copy like,
I don't know, someone I know is acting weird. The
cops should go over there. Yeah, is just the fuck
You're part of the fucking problem.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Olivia is busy because Olivia is destined to see if
Noah knows what an orange is. She's like, not new, well, Lucy,
what seck.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well, to be fair, it is important to see if
he's still developing, okay after his very very dramatic, uh
face off surgery, because it's a different child. So she's like, well,
we did face off the kid into this newer, better
version of Noah.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Uh, so you know we can improve him. We have
the technology.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
He is gonna talk like Nick cage though, is that okay?

Speaker 2 (36:34):
It actually is Nick Cavee with a baby face on.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
That's an apple.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I could eat a peach for.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
Hours, okay, but this is an orange.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I had a neck toary for hours. Now that has
to stay in the show.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
So okay, Lucy, clearly I don't need a babysitter anymore,
as I have a full grown Nicholas cage.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
He could take care of himself, which is a problem.
He's like doing the the Goddess sixty seconds thing.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
So he's currently boosting a car like, no, it's you
wouldn't steal.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
A car, fucking Angelina Joe Lee while driving a car.
I don't. I don't remember what that movie is about.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
So that's about right, Delory Lindo's to the Great Baby Rest,
So full circle here we go.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
So, uh, Olivia goes over to this this person's house.
Who's she's like, why would she go? Honestly, like whatever,
it's so dumb.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Man, where people could deal with their own fucking shit.
Why does liv have to solve everyone problem?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
This is very clearly the cops making everything worse.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Well, okay, so like, let's let they.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Don't know it.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Let's say for the sake of fucking argument, it's just
the kids are sick and the ladies have it a
rough fucking morning, so she's acting weird.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's like ultimate Careen move. I've called the cops.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
And like, so then liv is gonna take I should
be at the DNA conference because it's my fucking job
as a ranking officer in the NYPD, But instead.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
I get someone else's business.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
Barely fucking no because my babysitter, who by the way,
I didn't have her schedule to be watching no at
this point because she should be yea kids.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
So maybe that's why she's like she's like drumming up
more business for herself. She's like, hey, you should go
over and shake down that lady for why she's not
fucking paying me.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Right, Yeah, I'll watch Noah. You know you can just
wait wait for those times.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Yeah, pay me. But it's like it's like last minute,
so I have to charge more.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
She secretly knows it's a hashed situation. She wants to
get Benson like kidnapped so she could keep charge, like
keep the meter running on watching.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Noah, keep the meta running on the kid. So Olivia
goes to the house. It is like it's a nice
townhouse he got. There be a shame if there was
some sort of incident.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
And she's like, yeah, well, i'm a it's Olivia Benson.
I'm a. Does she mention that she's a cop? I
think she if she identities, she's like Olivia Ben the
mom already knows her because that she had They talk
about their kids, and I think she said like, oh, yeah,
Lucy said that you were acting weird. And that's where
he's like.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Yeah. They just pull her in and Olivy is like,
listen to say, my first hostage situation. This is going
to end with me beating you to death with the
bedposts and I'm not all the way wrong.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Or getting shot by a sniper when they were in
the motel in the season, I think like two shot
by a sniper. Baby, Yeah, a lot of sniper play here.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
So uh, this is when she identifies herself as a
police officer. Why the fuck would you identify yourself as
a police officer?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, because she's gonna have a gun and badge on her.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
That the but she she volunteers it. They're not like, hey,
what hey, Olivia, what do you do you from out
of town?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
I don't know. I'm on her side in that one
because it's like these people do not seem to be
operating very clearly. So that's I feel like that's something
you want them to hear from you and not discover.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Potentially.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
I I to move and they see a gun, They're
probably just gonna shoot her.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
But this is all. This also goes to one of
my bigger notes on the episode is I think the
episode gets much better after Joe. So they say yes
yes because it ends yes, yes, no. So about halfway
through the episode, they say that Joe is ex Special Forces.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Right, Oh, I didn't catch that line.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Yes, So they say that he was Special Forces and
then he was enlisted to fight the war on drugs
and switch sides, and so I think that in that
moment the writers were like, oh, so Joe's like pretty
good at this because he was Special Forces, and so
for the rest of the episode he's pretty smart. But

(40:55):
they never went back to make sure that he was
smart before.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
That introduced that idea.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
So it's so it's literally like a complete personality change
halfway through the episode.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Because there is that that Kalishna cough that he just
picks up for the second half. It was like, wait,
you had this the whole life.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Yeah, right, And like and like his whole thing about
like getting Dodds to cut well he doesn't know it's Dods,
but getting the the guys to strip down to take
the gurnie out, but then taking their bulletproof vests like
that's smart.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
Yeah, like very much.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
That's not the same guy as.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
Or is it supposed to be that.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
He's coming down from his cocaine.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
They're trying to show him as being paranoid because of
the drugs. It just happens to work out for him
every time because he's like, well, how do I know
they're not armed? And that's why what are they wearing?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
And yeah, maybe Dods paranoid. Maybe it's paranoia that I'm
reading as intelligence and.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
It's he's just getting really lucky.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
He's like, oh, oh yeah, you're lying to me. And
then they're gonna shoot me and she's like, no, I
wouldn't do take the shot.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Yeah. Then, like when he's getting ready to walk guys,
he's like, they're gonna fucking murder me, aren't they. It's like, ah,
just get the gun pointed into my head, which is
true when she says they're not gonna try to outdo
you pulling the trigger.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
She just fucking wheels on it. It's okay. So Joe is
with his girlfriend Roxy and Roxy's brother Ralph, and it
turns out that Ralph used to work for the husband
who they're currently beating the shit out of because he
owns ten supermarkets. And they're like, we know that you're rich,

(42:35):
so you have a safe somewhere.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Yeah, and the mother and the dad can't even really
talk what with being beaten, so no teeth left. Yeah, yeah,
and so the mom is like, I, as I will
repeat myself again.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I assure you we did not have a We do
not have It's twenty sixteen, like our our mattresses are
not filled with gold the balloons yet. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
It's funny because it's like because Ralph is the one
that I guess set this job up, and he's like, thank,
gotta have a safe, and it was right right. That's
that was like maybe like Alan Alda is.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Totally gotta gotta be dead.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
It's like there was no verification done whatsoever, and that
we're all fucks and tell you what with knowing a
relative of.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
But also like just put a gun to the kid's
head and I'll tell you where the safe is. This
is taken forever. You guys, you're wasting time. But we
go over to SVU and Mike Dodds is in a
battle of his own, a battle in the squared circle,
because he comes in and he's like, there's a head,
there's a heavy bag in the gym. I brought my
boxing gia. Anyone want to spa.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
It finds like yo, I didn't know John Travolta started
working at sv So weird. It is very very weird.
You used to box eight Dodds. I would murder you
in the ring.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
I I was a gold glove, did a little pro am.
No you fucking didn't fuck you.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, he was the one of the ring girls that
hold up the fucking round one, round two thing. That's
that's what he counts. And I but I would like
to see although I think Dodge, I mean I would
even take just regular boxing.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I don't think Dodds is making it past two punches.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Here's the thing. I think he's got the longer reach
though I think he is taller.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
As soon as I think Finn's gonna grab him, well.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
That's why I'm saying a box, That's what I'm saying.
That like a street brawl. I would I would take
fitt of that. But like a boxing he's like he's
like cut finger holes in his boxing glove. He's got
barbed wire wrapped around. Yeah, they called that a stiger.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Just a bunch of rocks inside of the clubs.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Broken glass. Just here we go.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
So we know that Olivia is not supposed to be
in the office in the precincts because she's had a
DNA conference, But they got some news on the push
and rapist and Dodds is like, bring him in alive
this time? Oh boy, or.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So Caresee's like, oh, and you know we've got we've
got witnesses that I did the sketch and I did
the guy. And Finn's like, yeah, like the.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
Last time that happened last time, And I.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
Think Creese's like, well yeah, but you know it's gonna
be different this. We're not gonna shoot the guy this time.
They really want to, though, so they get there.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
They probably say he's he does have a gun, right.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
The fact that they don't shoot him is alarming, well,
not alarming, that's not the right word. But you know,
it's like what they shot the unarmed kid thirty five times?
The guy that actually has a gun. They're like, guy,
she's cool.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Come on this way, right, this way, sir. So that
we go. We go back and forth, go back to
the townhouse, and uh, Lisa, I think her fucking name
is like I forget completely forget it. Yeah, Lisa. Lisa
convinces these burglars that they don't have a safe but
they have a safe deposit box at the fucking bank.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
So this is where it turns into inside pad.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, and so they they're like, Okay, we'll go to
the bank.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
And I was like, there is literally is literally what
could possibly go wrong here? Let's see everything. So I
guess they're like, all right, well, I guess we're we're
going to the bank. And Joe is kind of his
attitude is keeps getting more and more heightened. I'm assuming
he's doing coke.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
He's doing coke. He's got coke on.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Hisand they should show it, though, you know, I mean.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
They should show him snorting. I don't think that they're allowed,
well maybe not like directly, Like he's got a little
white vial.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Like what if could you put some out and then
you just do like a you hear it, but you
don't see it.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I think I think we see him do like a
little bump.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Do we Okay, so he's like, all right, we're going
to the bank. So Frank or Fred Fred, Ralph Ralph
Yeah I think Ralph. Uh So Ralph's going to the
bank with the mom.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
The dad is clearly not going anywhere but the floor. Yeah.
So everyone else is getting moved to an upstairs.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
And Joe, I think it's worth noting. Joe Reagan, who
plays Joe, utterly looks there's kind of like a passing.
I mentioned this last time. Bear's a passing resemblance to
Pablo Schreiber aka William Lewis. And so what happens next
is very dumb. So we go back to our pushing

(47:21):
rapist storyline. Shirt glad the push and rapist was relegated
to the B story of two episodes.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Right fucking and they don't. I mean, it's a just oh,
if you didn't see the community policing episodes about you
just saw this one they caught the pushing rapist and
you had no idea if there was that whole episode
where it's like, oh, they murdered an armed for this
and this is now the BT storyline here.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
And that basically was the b storyline of that episode too.
So he's got a gun. He's like hiding on the
roof and they find him and he's got the gun
in the air and he's like, are you gonna shoot me?
Like you shot that other black man?

Speaker 1 (48:04):
And I'm like, yeah, like get fuck cops, but I'm
waiting for Craesy and be like we were trying to
shoot you, We were looking for you. You know, those
bullets were intended for you and that and that motherfucker
didn't even have a gun. What do you think we
get to do with you because you have one currently

(48:25):
in your hands.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
So they they put Olivia in the bedroom with the
two kids. The two kids are like sixteen, and like.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
This is where seven this is where we meet the
seven year old.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
So yeah, because he's been upstairs the whole time.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Right, they have him zip tied to like a like
his bedposts.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, and he's the one that Lucy was going to
walk to school, yes, like the start of this whole
fucking thing.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
So Live is his name?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Confusingly is Luca? So live is Lisa Luca and Lucy?
Thank you Joe, very helpful.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Yeah, that's that's not confusing at all. That's not going
to fuck us up in three minutes when we're trying
to say all of this stuff.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
He doesn't even know it's dods and not dobbs. At
this point, Oh fuck you didn't. You didn't get it
wrong in this episode. I was like, wait a second, No, no, no, no,
you haven't said it yet.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
No, so live isn't me either, Like can I help
the kid because he's like, I got a pee. I'm
fucking I gotta pee. Kidnapped up here in my room.
No one's fucking this is traumatizing. And she gets sucking
pistol whip by by Joe and he's like sit down
and they zip tie her to the like bunk bed.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, And she looks over at Luca much like that
gift of canceled actor James Franco from the Ballad of
Buster Scruggs where he's got a noose around his neck
and he like turns. It is like first time. Oh yeah,
Olivia gets a text. They know she's a cop right now,
and they're like they've taken her phone to sort of

(49:58):
answer the text that she's getting, so no one comes
looking for her, and they text her, oh we found
the push and rapist and Joe is like, that's a
great idea. I will be a rapist. And he takes
the sick like Eenie Meani Miney Mos, his girlfriend Olivia,
the mom and the sixteen year old.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
No, the mom's not there because the mom is.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
All oh, the mom's at the bank, right, the girlfriend
Olivia and the sixteen oh boy and the girlfriend Roxy
is like, I mean, I don't know if I want
to win or lose.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
This, right. It's like and the fact that after he
was like all right, here we go with the sick.
This is brutal, by the way, but it also.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Felt really brutal, and it.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Also felt so shoehorned.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Though it's like it did right, And that's part of
the brutality, is like it feels really gratuitous, and it's.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Just kind of again as we said before, like if
live were not there and this thing did not.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Happen, likely would not be happening.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Likely would not be happening. But also it's like, I
get it, it's a TV show, but it's like, of
course everything has to end in rape because listen, su
Detective and this is right.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
It also feels like the Nazi doesn't recycle, or or
rather any person who doesn't recycle is seconds away from
becoming a Nazi rapist.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Yeah, so what happens is we basically just hear the
attack from the other room, and the little kid keeps
yelling like someone help her.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Please stop her raping my sister, So they Roxy. Olivia's
also yelling at Roxy, being like, uh, you can stop this,
just go in there, and Roxy does not do that.
What she does do is let Olivia go, so Olivia
can take care of Luca, the kid, who's I think
about like seven or eight, and so she puts headphones
on him, she gives them an iPad and she's like,
you want to watch a movie.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
It's speaking of Face Off. It's like that scene and
face Off.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Oh I do love that scene.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
And so it's fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Though, yeah, yeah, I mean that, like, w that.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Movie fucking for all of the insane reasons.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
It's just so good and and I this might be
like me being very stupid, but I think that they
pay enough I'm talking about face Off enough lip service
to the science where I'm like, this is fine whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Yeah, especially you know in nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah, when they shot things that they do or seven
tenety seven because it was the same as uh con Air, Yes,
same year as Conye, what a show? What a year
for movies? The Lost World, Jurassic Park two, Titanic, con
Air face off. When was the Rock ninety five ish?

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Because that was that was Cage's run Bear, it was
those two back to back to back.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Yeah, and he also won an oscar somewhere but in
there too for right. Yeah, he was he was unbeatable.
So Olivia is begging Roxy to do something. You don't
want to listen to your boyfriend raping a sixteen year old,
and Roxy's having like a crisis of conscious conscience robbery.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
We're not, Yeah, it's like we're not. We're not a
thing anymore, like after you rape a sixty Like even
if if you are not going to stop that because
whatever you think, he'll shoot you in the head as
soon as you walk through the door. Fine, but you can't.
After hearing that, I cannot wait to jump in the
sack with you later.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
Gross. And Olivia keeps getting like texts and she's like,
my son's daycare pickup, I need to manage my son's
daycare pickup. I know that she's like lying but like
priorities list. So the last we see of the push
in rapist is when his lawyer arrives. Does he look

(53:56):
very Does he look familiar to you?

Speaker 1 (53:58):
The lawyer vaguely, but I could not.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
That is Josh Savino a k a. Marilyn Manson, Paul
from The Wonder Years No Ship, Yeah, Paul from the
Wonders in his let he's been. He's been in three
episodes as this defense attorney, and this is his last appearance.
Hu We've seen him twice before. So Olivia finally gets
to text someone about the daycare pickup, but it's it's Lucy.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
She she actually does, because Lucy then goes down to
the police station and Crazy's like, yeah, it lives.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Not here, oh right yeah, And Barbara is like, she
was definitely not at the DNA conference, So live text Lucy,
what the.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Fuck is the DNA conference?

Speaker 2 (54:42):
Haven't we pretty much hearing? It's it's the guy from dress.
It's a little boy from Little Boy, little DNA animated
thing from Jurassic pag DNA from you? Where do we
get DNA from your blood?

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Yeah? And that's why Barb was like, I was there
all morning it was so fucking stupid. We just watched
that scene in Jurassic Park on Loop I don't.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
But somehow be d Wong is there. They're like, I
thought I saw George Wong.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
He's like, yeah, they always have a pretty good buffet. Uh,
you know when you signed up? No, but like, have
we already kind of figure that out?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
DNA DNA? I wonder if it's like and the backlog
sort of DNA conference.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
What's the conference gonna be about? Yep, we got.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
At least we shouldn't be here. We should be testing
the DNA.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Thank you for coming to this conference. This colossal waste
of time and resources that we could have been using
to end said backlog.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
They make everyone close their eyes and they eat something
into the microphone on the dais.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
But like, seriously, it's like that's such a that what
a fucking placeholder the DNA conference, the DNA conference.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Also, I have to stress this is the last we
hear about the push and rapist forever. So live text Lucy,
I'll be I'll be late. Make sure you pick up William.
He has a playdate with Lewis And they're like, William Lewis,

(56:07):
why would she text that must be a secret code
for a ten thirteen.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Oh doesn't she say something like, oh, you got to
pick him up at ten thirty? It was it was
something where oh does.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
She say like a ten to thirteen riverside drive or whatever?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, something like that, and then William Lewis So that's
where they She shows that message to Careasey Corease immediately
brings it to the rest of the squad. It's like,
uh fuck, and Barber's there, so he's like, William Lewis,
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, So from from Google ten thirteen, Well, okay, officer
heat of assistance potentially right. So codes can vary depending
on state or municipality. So ten thirteen in New York

(56:54):
City refers to officer in need of assistance, but in
many other locations it's officer needs to advise about weather
and road conditions. So like DoD who just transferred in
as like, oh, man Stoup's coming, do we.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Need to go put some salt down or something. What's happening?

Speaker 2 (57:16):
Uh, it's hot today.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
So they track her phone and they're like, let's let's
fucking go over there.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Then can they just fucking do that? Yeah, it feels
like that would have been useful, like during the whole
aforementioned William Lewis thing, Oh.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Because I think there's always a YadA YadA las like, oh,
it's either off or you tossed it or were broken
or whatever the fuck like that. Yeah, anytime that they
don't just do this abricadabra, they do calling out where
it's like, oh no, it's always.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
All for it's been Yeah, they did this last episode
where it's like a battery is dead. My kid's fucking
this coach, right.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
So they send over Careesi and Finn, who report themselves
as truancy officers because the kids weren't in school today.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
But that that's a specifically because the sixteen year old
who has just finished getting raped is the one chosen
to answer the phone, not the phone, the door, the place,
the place phone, the phone where you're in the same
place and you're you're talking face to face, but there's
still a thing that you have to answer. Yeah, real life,

(58:20):
the place phone. Yeah, No one denies this reality, and
so existence I think it's probably smart to have her.
You know, if I'm if I'm the one doing this
hostage situation, I think it's probably smart to have her
answer the door if you can guarantee that she's thinking rationally,

(58:41):
which she might not be having just been raped.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
And also with a gun pointed in her face.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
We actually have some live that some some late addition
mail bag.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Oh get another blue sky?

Speaker 2 (58:55):
We got another Blue Sky is from miss Rosemarie NYC.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
Speaking of the rare we interrupted this podcast for some.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
To bring you up. Yeah, Rose Wrights. By the way,
it took me over half the episode to realize the
girl in the wig was Kim Robins and not a
random conspirator. So she vindicates you.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Oh, okay, good right, the wig it's a crazy s wig. Yeah,
I don't remember it. No, it is this many weeks on.
But yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
So so she's at the the sixteen year olds at
the door, gun to the back of her head, and
Finn and Dodds are pretending to be oh, I think
you're right.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, and he's also the riking officer now because lives gone.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Because lives uh indisposed. But yeah, Finn and Caresee are like, yeah,
we're uh truant officers. You didn't go to school.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
Today, which actually I thought was I mean, if live
wasn't up there sharing every police procedure with them as Yeah,
it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Oh, they're gonna lie to you and tell you that
they're truant officers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
That's like a decent things like, oh, you kids weren't
in school, which makes sense. They weren't the kids the
mom and dad did write of a note obviously, what
with them being the shit kicked out of and currently
on a bank run to empty your safety deposit box.
So it's like, Okay, it's not going to get you
in the house, but you know, to do a little
recon see what's going on a little bit. I thought
that was a it would give them cover.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
They also do they pull the same bit twice where
we were on their backs and we see them say
that they're truant officers before we cut around to see
that they are SVU, and they do that with Careesy
and Finn in this scene, and they also do with
Dodds is the EMT, which is like a confused and
it's like a good little like filmmaking trick. Whatever they did,

(01:00:51):
we don't know who it is.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
When we did the the little live checks to the
window whenever they were sending in the EMTs and it's
it's uh, Odds yeah, I could tell it was Dodds whenever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
From the back of his head.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
You get a side profile of him briefly, I guess,
but I picked it out. It was like, oh, that's
clearly Dodds in the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
I did not face blind right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
That didn't help you. But it wasn't a complete one
to one there. They did sort of tease it. The
second guy wasn't I guess, but yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Or maybe it's just a different cops the gun in.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
His ass, someone that is not at all on our squad.
But it is interesting the way that you are describing
the way it's shot, because it gives you a second
of like, oh, what the fucks happened? Oh, now we
know it's our squad and they and this is where
the rocks they cheap. The sixteen year old girl is
basically just like, I gotta go bite, I'm sick, my
brother's sick. Shut the fuck up, I'm I supposed to
open the door for people. Go get fuck cops. So

(01:01:50):
they go back upstairs and Joe's like, the fucking cops
are here and lives like they're just truanc officers. They
don't have a perimeter. If you run now, you'll get away.
I'm just go as a cop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Meanwhile, Carisee is outside and he's like that girl was
not okay, Gee, nothing gets by you, cares Well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
I mean, to be fair, I guess we were being
critical of Lucy earlier for just not mind at her
own fucking business. Sure, I mean, I guess it's slightly
different for Caresy because they suspect that there's perhaps a
going on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So sure, and uh, Joe starts rubbing his chest and
I think he's gonna have a fucking heart attack, but no,
he's just coked up. And he's like. Roxy's like, hey man,
what if we go and do what she says? And
Joe says, she's a cop. Everything she says is a lie,
and Olivia knee jerk reaction says, the Supreme Court says

(01:02:42):
it's legal for police to light assessments.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
And Joe said, what what nothing, It lives nothing, It's
all that cocaine you've been doing. I didn't say anything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
I didn't say anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Gotta go anyway. What we were discussing is you letting
me go if you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Remember, please please leave, please get out, Like she's just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Gonna try to like I mind trick him because like,
all right, he's he's fucking he's out of his mind
on cocaine and he's got a gun. What if I
just confuse him?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Maybe? I mean, right, the voices don't step into the doctor.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
It's not a bad strategy, Like you'd never see it
from live. That seems like it's a more careasy thing
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
But yeah, Creesy is a bit of the wild car.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Right because you don't know what he's gonna do in
a situation like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
So they're like, where the fuck is Ralph? And I'm like,
Ralph is fairest Bullerring right now. Ralph is like in
a fucking Porsche, like cashing air in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
He's like just jumping. He's going through backyards to get
to the bank.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Yeah. Yeah, he's racing his parents home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
He's racing the cops before they can set about.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Basically, yeah, the cops are like setting up the like
jumping through backyards.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
It's coming through people's apartments.

Speaker 2 (01:03:53):
So there are no joke, two hundred cops to show up.
Just think of all the other crimes that are happening
in New York right now that literally the entire NYPD
is on this street.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Yeah, it's a bit like die Hard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
That would be that. Honestly, that's like a good gag.
I mean, if we just leaned into Diehard with a
vengeance and Joe's like, yeah, so now we can knock
over the bank, he just turns around and runs back
to the bank. And so Joe's like, Okay, Olivia, who

(01:04:29):
do you trust in the NYPD? And She's like, my
squad fucking what?

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
I mean what I Here's the thing. I will say this.
They are the gang that can't shoot straight when it
comes down to serving the general public and their oath.
But when it comes down to protecting.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Olivia get kidnapped twice.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Well, but they're like, there's no way that we're not
going to murder this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure that she is. Like
She's like, yeah, I guarantee that this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Kind of course, the Bafia being like, yeah, I trust
my fellow Mafia members to come and fucking get me
out of this picture exactly, like you will pay, what
with us being in the biggest gang in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
But and honestly, they're not gonna make it clean. They're
gonna try, they're not gonna succeed not that hard though.

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
Uh So he's like, no, no, no, no, not not people
you work with who in the NYPD basically would give
a ship if you were dead high ranking too. Yeah,
And I was like the answer fucking talker. Okay, so
this is where we we will break into our splinter

(01:05:40):
right side of History podcast here. Fucking they're right, but
like because we saw it, like there was like the
bar like however many episodes ago for like two seconds.
But well, yeah, I'm thinking I don't think they're like
seeing each other quote unquote, like I think that was
like a one night stand, but but they're never they
can't make it work with him being I a B

(01:06:01):
and she being a fucking loose cannon for the NYPD.
It's like a Star Cross lover situation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
You're I a B, I am a fucking lunatic. Let's
call the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Off, right, But like there's still that thing there. So
I feel like that's why she's like it's absolutely Tucker,
because that one night it's like, well, we'll always have
Paris kind of situation.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Well, we'll always have the on call room at SVU.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I was gonna say, like the fucking the bathroom at
McGill Cuddies where we were having a drink that one night.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
The bathroom at the DNA conference.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
The baby changing table.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
There's so much DNA at this conference.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
It was a DNA donation conference. As it turns out,
the cops call a giant.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Orgy DNA conference. Swap DNA, crack the crack the code.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
I mean, it kind of makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
It doesn't make less sense than anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
I mean, it's it's a real prove me wrong. Yeah,
proof that that didn't happen. That smart guy and so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
But but it has the same air of the last
name you're gonna call out is Brian Cassidy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
I mean, I I it would you know what actually
been great if it was fucking Stapler And it's like
he's not he's not high ranking anymore, but he's a
total fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
He rolls up on a Harley right, and he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Just like bad Assley just kicks in the door and
disarms everyone, like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
I think Castle style. When Stabler comes back. I think
that like they either try to reckon with or fans
are angry that they don't reckon with the fact that
Olivia was kidnapped like a half dozen times while he
was away somewhere and he never like called her, visited
her in the hospital or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
That's a really really good point, but like wouldn't that
that has been a really good opportunity for a guest spot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
I agree, I got how many years? At this point,
he's been gone for at least three years?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Fuck it? Nick Tomorrow comes.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Sweating omar fucking parachutes in. Yes, Mary's a hooker.

Speaker 1 (01:08:13):
Well, because he's gone, Like maybe it's like out in
LA he actually joined. He's like a desk jockey for
like the FBI or something.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Die Hard.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, he's got.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
You know more LA cop goes to New York.

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
Yeah, you know, why not? He's got he can pull
strings for whatever reason. That's more interesting than then fucking
Tucker Tucker hooker. Wait, you're Tucker, the guy that keeps
you from well, I guess not anymore. After the fucking
murder of that unarmed black man where they're.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Like, yeah, this was a good you're good, you're fined,
you're good, it's like, yeah, that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Was completely staged and uh and coached, but that's good
enough for us. So like he's still a bad guy,
Like he's a bad guy. Well, I guess they make
him more corrupt like the rest of the cops, so
like maybe he's slipping.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
Yeah, they dirty him up. Yeah, well that's that's how
he got dirtied up as he fucked live and he's like,
I shouldn't be doing this, and she's like, who's gonna
I A be the iab baby.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Wait, like actually thinking about this, like, yeah, they totally
cover for the cops, and like every other time it's
like I be trying to hold the cops accountable.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
And the yeah, total pieces of shit. And the one
time they actually the cop. Yeah, And and the next
time we see Tucker, he's like saving the day.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
What are they doing with this character?

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Well, they definitely do start fucking I do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
I know that because I know eventually when he leaves
the show. I don't remember what season, but I know
it's I don't know, they might kill him off or
something like that. It might be like you're like diyes
of cancer off screen or something like that. I don't know,
but there's like an emotional ending, there's an arc to
this relationship. But it's just so odd that for sixteen seasons,

(01:10:00):
about sixteen and a half seasons, Oh well, it's yeah, Okay,
so it's sixteen eleven. Yeah, it's like, you know, it's
like in baseball, we're like, oh, it's like it's the
third it's the third inning, but it's only two and
a half kind of thing. We have hated Tucker. He
has done nothing but antagonize. They hate each other. Partners

(01:10:22):
everyone that has worked at SBU has.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Well, now Olivia doesn't. Now that Olivia doesn't have a
partner anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
Right now that she's running the ship. That's worse.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
That is that is worse. I didn't hear it when
I said it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Now I do, right, But it's like for that long
and now all of a sudden, it's like these two
we just randomly get the like it doesn't make any.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Why fucking like cats and cats?

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Like is it supposed to be Noah has changed her
or some but like it's not. That's not showing them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
She's not the one who changed. He changed.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Well, it's like did they I.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
She's not any better she ever was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
She doesn't act any more morally. In fact, it's worse.
She's gotten worse too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
So uh, Tucker shows up, fucking Tucker and Cariesy's like,
hey man, it sounded like he was hopped up in
there when I talked to him on the phone, and
Tucker goes hopped up like on drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yes, Tucker, Yeah, maybe people that take hostages.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
The best state of mind right might there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
There might be some influence here. But I wonder what
that statistic is actually of, like like home invasions or
like hostages.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
That are drug related, probably super high.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Or some variety of in Toxican. I would guess, yeah,
I would guess more than fifty percent, whether whether the
cause of or not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
I'm I think it's more than I think it's significantly
more than that, because I think that that a lot
of the like kind of low income area break ins
are specifically for drug money and copper wiring. So Tucker,
Tucker's great. The captain in charge is Captain guy that

(01:12:06):
looks like Tucker s U Chief Gabriel played by Kevin Greer,
who I think is just Tucker's stunt double.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
And you're you're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
R I P. Kevin Greer died the year after this
episode came out. Oh fuck, the last thing he did
was this episode, the last thing he acted in. I
apologize to Kevin Greer in the entire career family. Oh fuck,
how insensitive. That's extremely insensitive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Grandkid that his granddad's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
I actually just texted Kevin Greer's grands grandson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Your granddad's dead, bro, I know, I just wanted to
remind you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Can I talk about We've taken a lot of detours
in this episode of our show My Dogs. My dog's
hair is so coarse that I stepped on one going
in the rock angle and it stuck it in the
inside of my foot. Yep. That sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Yep that it's like a splinter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Yeah, yes, I thought I got some tweezers and thought
it was glass. I just got it out. Yeah, it sucked.
Sucked shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
So the back to the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Chief Gabriel's like, are you gonna fucking hostage negotiate this
piece of shit? And uh not. Barbara Tucker's like, oh,
I take the hostage negotiation refresher course twice a year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Well, okay, he does end with that, but he says
I spent the first I think he says, like twelve
decade or something hostage negotiation. I'm like, what the fuck
they are? Just like anything goes with the writer's rim.
It's it's like I don't know. How do we make this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
Fins like me too.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, when I was a fetus, I was also in
the Marines and Space Force, so I know how to
fly this fucking airplane.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
Like what, well, that's what That's what Joe says.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I'm just right. So it's like, okay, I so fine.
Tucker is a certified a hostage negotiator because he took
a weekend trading course.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
We can worry your baby.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Hey, so what what weekend? A month, ten, whatever the fuck,
a week year whenever. The Reserve motto is.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
But be all that you can be sure. They don't
say that. They don't say that National Guard.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
I don't know. So but Tucker sells it because he
gets on the phone with Joe and he's like, Joe,
my man, I've done this a lot more than you have.
I know how this goes. I can get you out
of this. And I was like, oh cool. I like
he's confident, he's cool. I like he's like sincere enough
that probably if Joe listens to him entirely, he won't die.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
However, I would like stead, I would like to highlight
what Joe had said. Nary a few minutes ago that
all cops are liars. Don't believe they're telling you. Yeah,
but not Tucker. Tucker is the cops, right, he is.
He's the one. He's gonna help me. They're all here
to help me. Joe the hostage taker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
It's more like the actor I think sells this pretty coolly.
The actor is uh is John Robert John Burke plays
Tucker and Joe having a normal one is like I
need an escalade. I need the streets to be cleared.
Like I'm the fucking pope. I got to drive to
a helipad, take a helicopter to an airstrip where there's

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a jet waiting for me, no pilot, because I can fly, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
And Tucker's like, yeah, buddy, how about uh you send
some some people out though while we get all this going.
How how how the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Fun I don't shoot them? How about that?

Speaker 1 (01:16:05):
It's like, that's great, how about that? But you know,
we got a we got an injured man in there.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
This is, by the way, where I start getting really
into the episode. The more it becomes like inside man,
the more I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
I mean, for me, it also, I start doing the math,
so I'm looking around, I'm like, all right, huh, neither
we already raped the sixteen year old girl. Neither of
the kids are dying, so that immediately removes anything Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Olivia is not dying either.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Olivia's not dying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
Maybe the dad's dying maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:16:38):
Yeah, but he's not even a character. He's just a
corpse on the floor. They've been kicking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
That's that's why I think he might die, right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
And it's like, okay, fine, the the mom is with
the other guy. I don't see them going down in
a hail of gunfire.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
Could die but like, yeah, I wouldn't make a ton
of sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
So it's like, also, so Joe is dead, Joe's got
a clock over his head the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Or or Roxy maybe see he's like, what have I done?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
Roxy? I I didn't think she was gonna go down.
I I cause she sees You're ultimately right, right, But
I spoiler, I didn't. I didn't see a scenario how
that was gonna happen. Generally, because again, this show is
somewhat formula, because this is the X number of times
that lives so many times. It's slightly different. Now you know,

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the circumstances are slightly different, but it's it's the same concept,
like we know our characters are gonna be fine at
the end of the day. So it does remove some
of the tension.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
It does, And but I something else that I was
like kind of hoping happened that didn't happen. So this
is about where we find out that Joe was in
the Special Forces, and Joe keeps asking for these like
really outrageous things.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
Yes, so this is the inside man notes that I
start taking right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, same, And so I'm waiting for Tucker to say like, okay,
we're getting you these things and then hang up. And
then Joe's like, they're fucking lying. I asked for too much.
They said yes to me. They're fucking bullshit. I'm gonna
kill somebody right or it doesn't happen though, or.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Like they're busy doing that, I'm gonna sneak out the
back or some fucking nuts right right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
Yeah, the the you can steal City Hall thing, Yeah,
So turns out Careesy he believes all of that and
just fucking nuts. So Carreese and Finn figure out the
bank that Ralph, they figure out that Ralph that something

(01:18:37):
like that. But but it just in general they figure
out like that's why she's gone is because is because
she went to the bank. They find the bank, they
swarm onto Ralph with a bag of money, and Cresey's like,
Joe's not your friend right now, I'm your friend right now.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Like lies.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
But I kind of like the VI. I mean, like
I don't like cops, but I like the the sort
of brazenness that the cops are doing in this episode.
I kind of dig the writing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
It's a bit snappy, it's it's yeah, filmed adequately, you know,
it's it's a fine and there again for something that
we've done so many times. Yeah, details they are mixing
up and again we've had different characters now, so you
can play it differently with the different people.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
But this this was written by Brianna Yellen, who was
a story editor for one hundred and sixteen episodes and
then a writer for an additional ninety three episodes. So like,
there's no this isn't like a guest writer or anything.
This is just she was like cooking on this one.

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I guess in terms of snappy dialog.

Speaker 1 (01:19:52):
Yeah, man, all I can think is like, Joe is
not your friend?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
Yes he is, Yes he is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:57):
No he not it's tables.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
But we learned that Ralph got fired from one of
those drugs. He was a truck driver from the drug stores.
He got fired after two failed drug tests. And the
reason that he's trying to steal this money is because
him and Roxy's mother needs a new hip and she
can barely walk, which I don't necessarily believe. But good

(01:20:21):
performance by James McKinnon. Mm James mcmhmmon. Yeah, I swear
guy m c m E N A M I N mcmhmmon.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, tough right, good performance by Jimmy, Jimmy Mac.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
They bring that back guy. They bring him back into
like the mobile again much like out of inside Man
like kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
The mobile speaking of Albanian.

Speaker 1 (01:20:50):
And that's where Barbo's also He's like, Hi, I'm the adya.
If you don't work with us, you're fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Barbara's got crazy eyes in that moment.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Yeah, And so they they make a call, they call
Lifts phone. It's on speakers so they can talk to
Joe and the cops are telling him, like tell him
you have the money, and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
That to Ralph.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Ralph, tell Joe that you have the money, and what
they want to send him in there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Well, uh, they can't Joe. Joe wants him to come in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Right, so they're trying to They're about to lure him out.
I don't understand what their play is here.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
I think the play is I've got the money, you
can let the hostages go.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Oh right, so they can get away. I guess that
makes sense. And uh they yeah, Jon doesn't buy. Well, no,
it's not that Jone doesn't buy. It's Ralph Dimes about he.
I was like, no, the cops.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
Got me, Like I can't come in they got me? Yeah, right,
So that finally someone's smart on this ship. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
So now Joe not feel too good about that. So
he's he's even more fucking stressed out, starts yelling at
Roxy about her idiot brother.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
And and he's in insisting that he's going to kill somebody,
and Olivia says, no one can make you kill anybody
if you don't want to know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
That's Tucker, that's what Tucker said.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
Oh sorry. Tucker says that that is a wild thing
to say to someone who is in Special Forces, and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Also wild coming from a NYPD.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Fucking cop, like, yeah, but like you were in Special Forces,
you killed whenever we told you to. That's what special
forces does. Specifically, was it should be called murder forces?
You know, apparently some people need a murdering. Honestly, was
that was that your robody?

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
It was? And I don't know why. I mean it works,
it works for all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
That's that's how he did the Osama bin.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Laden the So, yeah, some people people need to be murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Let me be clear, he's dead.

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
We celebrated us a ation. Don't. Actually, don't act like
we all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Didn't throw his body in the ocean. We don't.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I'll never really looked at the mirror after that the
same way, being like, wow, we just celebrated.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
The murderer, celebrated an assassination.

Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
Yeah, so base her instincts and all, but uh, it's
kind of fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Joe backhands Roxy, Roxy's gun falls on the ground. Olivia
makes the first smart movie of the episode and doesn't
die for the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
I mean, and they all look at her like.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
You gotta die for the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
It almost feels like a trap.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Yeah it does. And she's also like tied up in
some fashion, but she's like it's like right at her feet.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
I think her hands are bound in front of her though, which.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Is like, yeah, if she wanted to, she could just
like stomp on the gun hard enough and it which
would go off.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yeah, she could get her hands on it and pull
the trigger. Doesn't do that. I also did love how
whatever they initially she initially surrendered her gun because like,
you gotta drop gun on here. It's like, of course
it's drop gun on hell.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Yeah, that's also what the pushing rapist said, or the
pushing rapist lawyer. They're like, we found him armed, and
Paul from The Wonder Years is like, you mean with
a drop gun, right, I mean, and Finn was like
he was waving it around in the air. So no, yeah,
I love how it suff this time. It's not even like, oh,
do you have like an ankle piece or anything like that.
It's like no, no, no, specifically a drop gun. And this

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is what so we've uh we have found out that
he's a Special Forces guy before this, and so his
IQ goes up by like seventy points.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
Right, and this is where he starts. Like they bring
into frame. I don't know if it's for the first
because they at whoever uh cares cares asks at the
bank he's asking the mom, uh, what kind of guns
they had, and she specifically says handguns, but she doesn't
mention the fucking AK forty seven. Yep, what did I

(01:24:48):
miss it? Did you hear it?

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Nope?

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So now he's carried around a fucking assault rifle, which
conveniently has it has appeared on like the dining room
table in one shot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
And it's like, wait next to the cocaine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Yeah, next to the scarface mound of cocaine. So now
he's he's carried around an assault rifle, not previously established.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
So I was like, I got this from Noriega, but.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
It was like it's like, oh he was Special Forces
literal visual language.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
Next scene, Yes, it's magic. It's someone is telling the
story around the campfire as his traditions and like things
are just like I mean, maybe they.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
Just said something. All of a sudden, he's like activate,
Here we go. I am now super soldier.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Here we go. So a couple of EMTs are getting
ready to come in with a backboard. He agrees to
let Joe agrees to let one of the hostages go,
and it's it's the dad who has no lines in
the episode because he's bleeding on the floor, trying to
pick trying to pick up his teeth, and Joe's like,

(01:25:53):
wait a minute, how do I know that these EMTs
aren't cops? Have them or armed right? Have them stripped
to their underwear? And Tucker's like, well, they're gonna keep
the bullet proof bests on. And Joe's like, even fucking better,
where's my helicopter? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
And again it's like, oh, it's it's like a time.
So the next shot.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
It's fucking Dods Dodds.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
In they're not even like like they still have their
shirts on under the vest where it's like the yeah,
if you were well no, obviously, I don't think the
guy was.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Like, no socks out.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
I want to see some dogs waggling up those stairs.
And the socks too, because I'm into feet. Don't you
do this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:34):
I get to make this sound again, Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
There you go, proud day for this podcast. But again,
like they've got the vest, they've got the shirts, like
if you were concerned they were carried, like they can
have a shoulder.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
You gotta you got definitely like have a piece inside
of there. And I'm relatively sure that Dodds either doesn't
know any CPR or whatever the fucking actor's name is.
Andy Carl is not aware that he's on camera because

(01:27:07):
he's making this face like a video game loading screen
or like in between that and like, mom, I threw up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
This is the actor like the dad.

Speaker 2 (01:27:21):
No, no, Dodds, Oh, Dodds.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
Oh really I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Notice Dodds is making the dumbest fucking face, like not
a single thought behind his eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Yeah, I guess you didn't know that he was kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
I'm relatively sure he did not know that he was
in the in the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah. So they get the guy on the the thing Joe,
now tell uhim like, all right, leave the fucking vests
and go back.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Out smart and this smart. They then really, they don't do.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
A whole exit sequence. They just cut to everyone's back
at like the bobile command unit. But now Dodds and
the other guy don't have their vests on it. And
I feel like Tucker won, Like if we had cut
back two seconds early, we would have heard him say, like,
son of a bitch, this guy is good. He took
your vest.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
So yeah, but I didn't expect There's also a little
bit of like what the fuck you give her your vest.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
Like that's what I wanted to see. Was that? Like
that good? Right, because now I'm thinking, like, all right,
this might end in a hail of gunfire.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Actually, well it's it's a single hail, is still a hail.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
It's one giant.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
One giant's cannon ball. So the escalade pulls up that
window tent is not street legal. It'd be funny if
he just gets pulled over.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
You from like the impound lot or like, yeah, it's
just evidence in a in another murder or something across town.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
And so I literally wrote, here comes time for Olivia
to do something stupid, and U Joe makes Olivia put
one of the vests on Roxy because Roxy is going
to test the car, make sure that running, make sure
there's no bombs underneath. I get the rocks. He's not

(01:29:04):
like a fucking bomb expert. Still still pretty smart. If
someone's gotta get blown up, make sure it's not you, Joe.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I mean again, He's like, we're gonna send someone out
to check the car. It's like, what if there's something
like literally under the hood, what if it's like in
the wheels, well like.

Speaker 2 (01:29:20):
The Godfather, Yeah, yeah, right, like you or Casino.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Yeah, like check the check how much fuel is in there?
What if it's like Jesus, there are a lot of
car bombs in these mob movies. Uh huh, who would
have thought? But thought bomb or not? Like that's too
flashy for again, they are like the mafia. But that's
that's a it's a bit splashy for the NYPD to

(01:29:44):
car bomb.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
To car bomb someone just to get the weenies out
and start a roast.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Right, So it's like, okay, even if no car, Like,
you don't have any idea what the fuck is going
on with this car? There's clearly yea.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
I switch or something.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
They don't even need a tracker because they're supposed to
clear the way all the way to the helipad, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
But it's yeah, yeah, they'll know where he is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
Like, but why did it have to be an suv?
Why could it just be a car?

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I think, baby, because he's taking all the hostages with him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:14):
I mean, I get, but again, what is this check?
What are you expecting there to be there?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
It's a French Guiana.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
But what is the checking she's supposed to do?

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
I don't know. It's like she's like kind of like
sniffs at the bottom of the car and is like,
it's clear, it's clean. She pulls she pulls out her phone.
Oh so before this, before this lives, putting the list
on her, when lives, putting the vest on her. She's like,
all you have to do when you get outside is
get on you. She's whisper acting that her taps out.

(01:30:46):
Get on the get on your knees, put your hands
in the air, and they're gonna know that you surrender.
You come on, you don't want to die and rocks
It's like, how do you know I don't want to die? Like,
hell yeah, girl, you and me both, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:30:59):
Right, Like, but thinking about it again, remember ministers, you
have my express consent to murder me on site if
you see me on the street.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
And so Roxy texts for the bombs. She calls Joe.
And this is only relevant because Roxy and Joe have
the same type of smartphone and they're not iPhones because
Apple does not allow bad people to use iPhones in
their movies. So if you are looking watching a movie

(01:31:30):
and you're wondering who the killer is and they're using
an iPhone, it's not them, but they.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
Let like depictions of war, criminals use iPhones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
You mean Obama? Obama w yeah right, it's interesting. I
first learned.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
This United Healthcare CEOs.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
From Ryan Yeah, from Ryan Johnson and his movie Knives
Out because the only person in the family who does
not have an iPhone is the killer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:02):
Oh my god, I've never noticed that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
I will yeah, crazy right, I will now.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Never unsee that having heard.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
It isn't it? Isn't it? Nuts? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Actually pretty fun, pretty fun. So Roxy bummer, though I
can't know that now. I'm gonna watch movies now, I'm
gonna watch movies like you could be watching, like a
horror movie. I'm like, well, that guy's a fucking not
the killer or.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
Is that guy's the dealer. I think people have started
to adapt and like if if, if there's cell phones
and what like, they know that it's like self selecting now,
so don't knowing it's an iPhone.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Now everyone only uses androids.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, that's way to go, and only market phones for
bad people with movies. So Roxy surrenders and Joe's like,
what the fuck did you say to her? And She's like,
I didn't tell her anything. Joe live live from a cop.
How can you tell when a cop is lying? Their
mouth is moving.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Yeah, although at the same time, if her simply saying
you don't have to do this is the thing that
pushed her over the edge, you weren't on firm footing
to begin with.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
She didn't just say it, she whispered it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:15):
Oh, so that's that was the difference. It was the whisper.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Yep. That's why she does it all the time, because
it really was whispered her. I didn't say anything. I did, however,
whisper to her.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
It's it's not a lie if it's technically you believe
also that. So now now we're really fucked. So now
it's live and the two kids and Joe, and Joe's like.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Well human shields there we fucking go.

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
We are so live. Keeps saying like, let the she
said this numerous sizes. We haven't talked about it, but.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
She's I'm the one that you they want. They don't
give a shit about anyone who's not a cop. Trust
me on this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
What me as a cop I'm telling you in this scenario,
I'm the only thing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I'm not lying.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
Remember there's that one time where we shot that all
armed black guy and the commanding officer was like, I
don't care who you kill as long as all of
you come home tonight. Again, I cannot stress this enough.
You are a dead man walking either way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:10):
Yeah. Yeah, they don't care about the kids at all.
Fucking kill the kids now, I don't care. They only
care about me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
And so I think, is this where he asked hers,
like they're just gonna fucking murder me?

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
Right, yeah? And she's like like, no, they won't. They
won't risk your like how fast your trigger squeeze is? Oh,
she says, another lie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Well, no, she says, if you have the gun to
my head, they won't risk that, which is true because
the only time.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
Watch again not quite a lie.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Well, when they do end up spoiler alert shooting him
in the head, it's only because the gun is not head. Yeah,
so it's a fairly effective strategy. So they do a
human shield walk, but from like the garden level, because
going up the stairs is more dramatic then going down
the stairs.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
Oh, also probably risky too.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Yeah, because if the human shields are in front and
they are lower than you, they can just shoot right,
So garden level makes more sense strategically.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
Ha.

Speaker 1 (01:35:12):
So Live again asks to let the kids go. He
does so the kids. The kids are out the equation
now and now it's just Live and Joe and if you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Get motto a mono. But before this, before this, right, yes,
Tucker goes to to Chief Gabriel and is like, he
didn't really hurt anybody. I mean, he did a ra
able sixteen year old and almost bet a guy to death,
But like, what if we we don't need to kill him,
what if we just ask him to take a knee. Meanwhile,
Olivia's like, what was that? Bam? It hits puns of

(01:35:45):
punches right in the.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Face, right and U as soon as she punches him
in the face and the gun has pointed away, the
snipers that are on top of the roof just shoot him.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
In the head, take the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Which yeah, I mean in that scenario, yeah that's yeah,
well no, not dick Wolf, not dick Wolf. So Live
like staggers away. Everyone runs into her and and fucking
Tucker's like, secure that weapon. It's like the guy doesn't
have the back of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
A sudd, doesn't have a doesn't have a brain anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
And then Finn, who has not been rattled by the
situation at all, walks over stands over the body and
with a flat affectation. Is just like he was dead
before he hit the pavement, and it's like, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
You're you're you of fucking head shots Odafin too to
alla his Wittons witnessed.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
Right both in the army for remember he said he
was in the army for a bit or that's coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:35):
I guess maybe rangers. Yeah he said he is an
Army rangers already.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
But it's like this is supposedly I don't know. Your
your boss that you are close enough with, Like you
end up at her apartment for wine and stuff after.

Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
Yeah, yeah you should. You should at least be like
thankful that she's not dead, right, But well, I guess
you'd get a promotion if she does.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
Well, no, Dodds would get it because he's the highest rank.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
Fuck Dodds. Dodds took the shot.

Speaker 1 (01:37:00):
Right, So I don't know. It just seems like people
like Cares seems to care a great deal and it
is just like right there for but Finn is just like, yeah,
that guy's dead.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
Yeah, fuck that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:11):
And I get I get why Dodds wouldn't have the
emotional connection, what with him being on the squad for
four days, but like that that didn't read rite for
Finn for me.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Yeah, and then Olivia is like, where's my son? And
I have to pick him up from daycare? Like maybe
clean yourself up?

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
Well yeah, because Cariese says like, we're gonna get him
right now, and Tucker literally says like right now, you
need to take care of yourself, and then she's like
baby now, they're like, all right, we're gonna gonna get you. No,
I just calm calmed the fucked down my son.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Yeah, and uh uh and that's a that's a nick. Well,
that's our episode for this week Long on Her SVU
season seventeen, episode eleven, Townhouse incident from Trivia Corner. The
details of the home invasion, including the rape of the
teenager and trying to get the mother to withdraw money
from the that's all based on a Cheshire, Connecticut home

(01:38:03):
invasion and subsequent murders from two thousand and seven. So
this is basically like the Once a Time, Once upon
a Time in Hollywood version of this real murder case
where where it's like if Olivia Benson was there, she
would have saved the day.

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
Oh okay, I did not see what's upon a time
in Hollywood, So sure reference is lost upon me.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
TLDR. Leonardo DiCaprio and Brad Pitt stop the Manson family
from killing Sharon Tate just because they were there in
this alternate reality.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
By what you said in the description, I got that cool,
So thanks for that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
You're welcome. This is the first episode where Noah is
played by Jack Nowada Braun Warts.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Being played by Nicholas Cage and on Jack Nowada braun
Wartz IMDb, there is one credit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Ten episodes of SVU.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Oh well, I guess he does age.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
Across across this. This is the next season, the last.
His last episode is an episode called Real Fake News,
Oh for Fuck's sake yep twenty seventeen, and the only
pictures of him on IMDb are him as a child
with Marishka Hargate and Robert John Burke. So it looks like, Uh,

(01:39:30):
Noah's got a new daddy. It's Tucker Noah Benson Porter Tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:39:35):
It's a shame they didn't like Boyhood Tomorrow this character.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
I agree, I do kind of agree.

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
But just haven't kind of pop in and out. Don't
use him as a crutch every fucking episode.

Speaker 2 (01:39:45):
A lot of these kid actors grow up fuck ugly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
Though, so well, I mean that's the risky take, Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
Yeah, look, don't be a kid, but.

Speaker 1 (01:39:54):
Sometimes you get an ugly kid. Some people need murdered.
Some people ugly kid.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
The the truth, Uh, the rapist that is arrested, his
name is the pushing rapist is Pearson Dawes and uh
it is the the from the from the episode of
Community Policing and that's it. We I don't think we
ever see him again.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Wow. Wow, wait, so the actual pushing rapist was in
the episode?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Yeah, the push the the guy that they arrested was
the pushing was the pushing rapist?

Speaker 1 (01:40:28):
No? No, no, but like was the because that's worse
if the guy that was actually the rapist was in
the episode Community Policing and they didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:37):
Show no, but like they were looking for him.

Speaker 1 (01:40:42):
I thought you said that he was also in that
episode of like that's he was like in the background.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
Oh funny, Oh they shot that guy gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Go right, But like, wouldn't that be even more like
more of a message actually for that where it's like,
oh that guy was literally at the fucking that's the
guy we were trying to catch him. Instead, we shot
that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
And uh Tucker. This is his first episode since being
promoted to Captain of IAB, so he's captain ed Tucker.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Oh, I do remember him introducing himself as cat. I
guess i'd never really paid him.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Yeah, yeah, but he's so It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:41:19):
That seemed like a bit of a plot Cuban though,
which like we needed. We needed someone of rank for
this episode, and we wanted to be Tucker. So he's he.
Congratulations Tucker, they have to fuck yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
From User Review Corner. This is from May fifth, twenty
twenty one from Alex Pones five out of ten stars,
Good TV, bad for the Psyche. I've been on bed
rest for a back injury, and this time, somehow I've
made it up to SVU season eighteen. Anyone who claims

(01:41:55):
this isn't the most watchable show of all time is insane.
So I hate being the sayer who feels obligated to
point out that this episode was both offensive and straight
up cruel. As someone who was lucky enough to experience
a very similar situation as a teenager, I think you
mean unlucky enough. Listening to a sixteen year old screaming

(01:42:16):
from the bathroom getting raped for three minutes was beyond
offensive and triggering, even though I hate that lame word,
maybe I'm biased. The rest of the episode was fantastic,
but that scene destroyed everything. I became paranoid. I was
sure he'd get violent and more assault would come, because
clearly they were milking it for an Emmy submission that year.

(01:42:36):
I've watched the show hundreds of times, and I keep
a list of the episodes that are no goes for rewatching.
As well as a well edited show, there usually aren't
that many. I'm aware of what it is about, and
ninety five percent of the time I have no problem
with it. I present that other five percent doesn't exist.
I think that they mean I pretend. I pretend that

(01:42:59):
other five percent doesn't exist, and I move on. However,
became a member of the club within fifteen minutes. Worst
of all, this could have been an amazing episode had
it not been for the rape seed. Here's what I
recommend going back to seasons four through eight ish. No
real time bathroom floor rapes. Oh, no real time bathroom

(01:43:21):
floor rapes. No coverage of the boring personal lives of
all the cops and flip phones, for Days five out
of ten stars. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not
definitely not gonna say that this person is wrong because
I also feel like it's a little bit too gratuitous.
But it seems like they're taking it very personally.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
I would agree with that. It's also it's a show
that deals specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:43:47):
With Yeah, it's like it's tough. It's interesting because this
is the three hundred and seventy whatever episode, so I
kind of understand sort of the social contract up until
this point of like, oh, like I understand where the
show's line is. And for a couple people, even DG Underscore,
Dave says, I can't watch it doing due to having

(01:44:09):
flashbacks of an incident of my own. I won't go
into specifics. I like, I do think that they like
touched on something that's a little extra triggering to people.

Speaker 1 (01:44:21):
Well, I mean, and it's the reason, like it's are
we talking like responsibility. They shouldn't put put it up
there because of that, because it's like, well, because it's brutal,
as these experiences are are, like that's the realism is

(01:44:41):
kind of the point of it, Like the shock.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Is Yeah, wait, I agree, it's it's interesting. It's interesting
because I definitely understand both.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Yeah, no, I expect it. I and I just watched
this the other week and I again after you recommend,
but like blank twice came with a ward. Yeah. Yeah,
we talked about rewarding. And I don't think there's anything wrong.
I know it's maligned in some idiotic.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
Service, I don't think. I don't think content warnings are
that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
I don't either, And it's like, you know, I I
don't think it's something that they shouldn't have done. And also, like,
consider it's season seventeen and standards, as we've talked about, ay,
every of this podcast, every season, every year that we've
done this, we talk about that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:29):
That's how I see both sides of the argument, which
is like I understand that the show has like kind
of a base of what they will and will not depict,
and I also understand that, as you know, we're in
like so far into the run of the show, that
they also need to sort of keep like they need
to push the envelope a little bit, pushing the envelope
at the expense of this like this character, who's all

(01:45:53):
we hear is them getting great, Like I don't want
to hear that either, And I fortunately have never been
in a situation where that's like bringing up weird horrible memories,
and so I don't blame people for having weird horrible memories.
And I also don't blame people for bringing that up
in a forum where they can like they can be
the content warning to other people for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
And you know, I don't know where this is going,
and it's this is more likely than not going to
be very very frustrating, but on an optimist side, benefit
the benefit of the doubt side. If again, because it's
a scenario where we have live our intrepid SVU detective
now has to basically sit there powerless while she is

(01:46:35):
hearing a sixteen year old victim in the room next
door and there's nothing she can do about it, and
they do obviously, you know, the person made a comment
about like oh the Emmy reel and whatever like that.
So it's like, get that moment for her now if
that somehow does something to her and changes or like

(01:46:56):
she has.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
To reckon with, won't sage right?

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
And this is the thing where it's like if she
has to have a couple episodes of reckoning with that, Like,
if this wasn't completely gratuitous, it was an perhaps an
extreme way to do something interesting with the character or
a couple of storylines, then I'm in favor of it.
I'm not necessarily opposed to it, but I would be
like be like, yeah, no, I get it. You sometimes

(01:47:20):
have to do that to further, like if there was
gonna be some sort of a payoff to this, which
there's not going to be, I don't think totally.

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
And I also think, let me pitch you a different
version of this scene. So we start, we start to
see in the same way I think the rape is
shoe we both think the rape is shoe horned in. Basically,
I think what we're talking about is like content standards
and what shouldn't should be shouldn't be like whatever allowed
or accepted, or like what's the price of admission for

(01:47:50):
watching the rape cop show?

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
Like, but I think they can go hat in hand
because I think you could do the content mornings and
then also you can still depict the stuff, but like,
don't just do it for the sake of doing it,
because to put a content warning up, you should do
it because it's true.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
Also true, So I think they definitely shoehorned it. It's
definitely gurtuitous. But let me pitch you another way to
depict the scene, which is starts the same exact way,
and the moment that we start to hear what happens,
we either do the like fog of war high pitched
e in Olivia's ears, or we listen to what the

(01:48:27):
little boy is listening.

Speaker 1 (01:48:28):
So we literally do the face off.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
The face off, right, and so I but I and
I think that does not change the story in any way.
It taking away those sounds don't don't hurt. We can
argue whether it helps it or not, but it does
not hurt anything in any way, which means they probably
should have just done it right. If it can go,

(01:48:50):
it should go.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Because then again, while liv is sitting there hugging is
it Luca, While she's there hugging Luca and you're getting
that sound, you can then you know, you could do
something creative with the shot where then we pan up
to live and we have to see her dealing with
all of that, but without the which we already get.
But then it's with the background of that, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
And it also puts more onus on the act or
so she's going for the Emmy. This is like she
has to add and this is like the show does
this all the time, right, we make this joke of
like they look at the iPad and they're like, oh
my god, right, so why do they not do it
in this in this moment? Does that kind of proves
that it's a little gratuitous and.

Speaker 1 (01:49:29):
Maybe maybe, I mean, this was what twenty sixteen, this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Came out, yeah, early January twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:49:36):
I mean we're talking in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Eyes here totally. I think I think that this is
this is a nuanced conversation. It's a choice.

Speaker 1 (01:49:43):
I mean, really, it's at the end of the day,
it's a choice. I mean you can call it creative
or artistic, or you can call it gratuitous and just whatever.
But it's a choice either way.

Speaker 2 (01:49:51):
I think that we both come down on the side
of like, you don't really need it in this episode,
in this contact, And no, I don't think you don't.
I also don't think that either of the reviews that
we read that were like, hey, I wish this didn't happen.
We're like, cancel this show, Cancel these people.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
They're evil unlike the other side of the aisle, where
it's like this woke bullshit should be canceled.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
Exactly. You all you know that this there's never a
leftist that's like cancel Olivia Benson because she's trampling on
people's rights, which she absolutely is, but.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
On a near episode basis like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
She's perfect bad overage. Yeah, and this bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I'm I'm reminded of something, and I think that's kind
of a It's an perhaps extreme quote, but I was
thinking about this earlier today. Fuck the Jews, uh, And
I'm this is I'm paraphrasing here, so if I get
this wrong. But Anthony jessel Nick was asked a question
on a podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
I know I've seen this thing.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Yes, I like making a joke about trans people, like
should people be able to joke about trans people or
whatever like that, And his response was basically, it's like you, yes,
jokes about trans people should be allowed. Not every comedian
can do it, because a it has to be funny,
and secondly, when you're making that, like if you have
hate in your heart when you're crafting the joke, it's

(01:51:19):
not going to transparent. Yeah, Like that is not a
joke at that point, that is just hate speech. But
if you are like genuinely when you're craft again, because
people don't just like come up with these off the
top of their fucking heads, like comedians craft jokes.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
This is when they workshop and carve.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
And yeah, right, it's not like everything is a first
strength like there's a lot of iterations. But again, what
he was saying in terms of if there's as long
as there's not hate in your heart when you're doing
the joke and you can pull it off, essentially, yeah,
you should be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
I think that's right, and those things, those things are
equal weighted, right, because if there's not hate in your
heart but you can't pull it off, you're gonna make
people mad, right. And if there's hate in your heart,
but you can have the funniest joke ever, like a
chappelle who like I think genuinely just like doesn't like
trans people, it's like, oh yeah, you can craft a
good you can make something that sounds like a joke.

(01:52:10):
It has all the right like cadences, but it's a
like it's cruel, right, I similar Anthony Jeslnek is the
community we're talking about, uh has says a similar thing
about like should comedians be allowed to say X, Y Z,
and he's he said something to the effect of, there's
always stuff that you can't talk about. That's the job.

(01:52:33):
The job is taking stuff that you can't talk about,
going right up to the line and saying, am I
gonna do it? Am I not gonna do it? Like
what these comedians who are complaining about censorship or cancel
culture or whatever, what they're saying is is I'm not
good enough at my job to be funny within the
bounds of society. Yeah, I'm a bad What they're saying

(01:52:57):
is I'm a bad comedian, right, because which is like
the Rogan thing, right wrote. Everything that comes out of
Rogan's mouth is not even a first draft. He says
stupid shit. He doesn't believe, he believes in nothing. I
fucking hate that guy mean to me in an airport once.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
But yeah, so like if you're and I equate that
to this episode where it's like, you can make that
decision that you want this to be cruel and you
want to to scar the character and do something like that,
but then don't come with some bullshit where we're not
even gonna think about it or address it, or it's
nothing's gonna come about totally.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
It's gonna get totally thrown away again.

Speaker 1 (01:53:35):
Yeah, if you don't do something with it, then it's
just gratuitous. If you want to make the choice, make
the choice, but have have something behind it. That's that's
kind of where I come down with. So it's like, yes,
I think we can have content warnings. I don't think
there are anything there's anything wrong with that. Yeah, I
don't have anything. I don't have any objection to any
sort of quote, very high stress stuff that would be

(01:53:58):
triggered for people. But like you know what I.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Mean, Yeah, yeah, earn it right, this was definitely not earned.
And we know from doing so many fucking episodes of
the show that it's never going to be mentioned again.

Speaker 1 (01:54:10):
No, never, never, once. This is the longest user review
quarter we've ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Yeah. Yeah, and this is the probably the longest that
anyone has ever talked about this specific scene in this
specific episode.

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
Yeah. I mean, it's an interesting conversation though. If that's
it totally, this podcast is nothing more.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
And uh and we're two white guys, so you know
what we said. What we say is the fucking cutting
edge of Woke. And that's our episode for this week.
A lot Utter SVU Season seventeen, episode eleven, entitled Townhouse Incident.
If you agree or disagree with us, If you agree
or disagree with us, if you like the title townhouse incident,

(01:54:52):
if you think that we are either too woke or
not woke enough.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
If they keep referring to this as the townhouse in
townhouse Incident like in future episodes, Well, ever since the
touthhouse is nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:03):
Yeah, nothing's been the same since the touthouseitsident. Uh. The
next the title of the next episode is really gonna
cheessee your waffle. Oh boy, it's really gonna lawful your
fullful with this partner to let us if you agree
or disagree with this, you won't talk to us about
woke the woke mind virus, which we all have. Let

(01:55:23):
us know where as you podcast on Blue Sky, this
is actually a pretty good one, the official Blue Sky
of the Woke mind virus.

Speaker 1 (01:55:31):
And you can take that to the Bank of the
blood Bank editor for a longer or weirder stuffware tweets
as email. Sent us an email at special viewing Units
strudelegmail dot com and give us a rate and review overfine,
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Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
This episode's already going really long, but I want to
play a little game.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
Has the have the strudal episodes aired yet?

Speaker 2 (01:55:49):
No? Fuck? So I I'm listeners. I'm writing down what
I think Matt is gonna say after I read the
next week's title. And so I've written it down and
I'm gonna I'm gonna hold it up after you say it.
So don't don't, don't fuck with me, just react.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Okay, Okay, there's no Immediately I started thinking about, like,
I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
This, Manaca. This is just a genuine reaction. So tune
in next week when we review and review and lovingly
ridicule Law and Order SVU Season seventeen, Episode twelve, entitled
A Misunderstanding?

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
What the fuck does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
I had? Oh for Fox? A high school rape accusation
turns into a complicated he said she said fuck without
an oh my god, what without a conclusive or satisfactory
revolution of what if anything has taken? There?

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
It is? I got it there no no, for sakes comes, Yeah,
that was misunderstand It's like, I don't know if that's
that's a misunderstanding. What I don't. I don't know, man.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
So we have next week joining us the the Greg
Yates double team of Elizabeth Marvel Ezrita Calhoun and Delaney
Williams is John Buchanan. I hope they're working together again.
Bill Irwin. His talk is back as doctor Peter Linstrom.
So maybe maybe Olivia will be dealing with some of
the maybe we're fucking wrong and we'll and in a

(01:57:35):
month from today we'll start getting emails about how wrong
we will.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
You don't. Here's the thing, I will very gladly.

Speaker 2 (01:57:44):
I would celebrate that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
Actually, I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
The only reason that we're both making this prediction is
because the show's let us down so many times.

Speaker 1 (01:57:52):
And we're gonna review the next episode in a fucking
day and a half, so it's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
You know, yeah, we're definitely definitely gonna remember. So tune
in then until oh my god, until then four I
want to die. Law and Order Special viewing Unit. I'm
a viv Rubenstein and.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
I'm Matt Reuter. We will see you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Oh, and it's directed by Marishka Hargitat. Oh not her
first is that her first directorial episode.

Speaker 1 (01:58:17):
We're so close to ending the podcast and then yes
it is, no, it is not.

Speaker 2 (01:58:23):
She directed something in seasons fifteen. In season sixteen, she
directed Padre Sandanguero, which is the one with Amara's dad
for Fox.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Okay, well, and she directs.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
Two episodes in this season this, this next one uh
in number nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:58:41):
And she just had her directorial debut at.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
Com Yeah for for the documentary My Mom Jane. Yeah. Yeah,
four My God, Law and Order Special view. You know
I'm a vive rubinstead I'm Matt Reud.

Speaker 1 (01:58:54):
We will see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (01:58:57):
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