Episode 378 - S17E12 - A Misunderstanding - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hello, listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Law
and Order Special Viewing Unit, the show where we review, review,
and a lovingly ridicule everyone's favorite cop drama, Law and
Order Special Victims Unit, every episode in a row from
the beginning. Huh from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
From the beginning. Hello, and welcome to another episode of
Law and Order Special Viewing Unit, the show where we view,
review and loving the ridicule everyone's favorite cop drama, Law
and Order A special Victims Unit, every episode in a
row from the beginning. So you don't have to I'm
your host, Matt Reuter, joining me as always the uh, careful, careful,

(00:42):
the reader Calhoun to my John Buchanan.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
I could live with that.

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yeah, you're the good one.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
It was loud. I take it you didn't go down
there to develop photographs.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Oh yeah, that was mine is everyone knows. The dark
room is where you have sex. Once you go down there,
can't change your butt.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well no, actually you can change your much.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's actually inaccurate.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
I think it's it's important. As you told me, you
have to be the point person for delivering the mess.
You have to be the change agent here. Please let
everyone know that can change your mind, dark room or
any other room.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
As it turns out, point of order, your hona, it
is okay to change your mind.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I it's it's interesting whatever. There's the like obviously that
this is a bore of a serious thing, but whenever
they have the blatant p s A at the end
of the episode where it's like boys need to be
taught about what consent is. Yeah, I mean essentially it's like, well, yes,
but then it's like I wanted Barba to be like, well, also,
the girls need to understand that if you go to
the dark room, you can in fact change your.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Mind with I think that is, as you say, if
I'm if I'm doing your part, I can do this part.
That's for slow Joe in the back row. Just so
if you didn't get the whole vibe of the episode.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Well, I this episode it really feels like it was
written solely for the purpose of getting to that one
that they treat like a throwaway live see.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yeah. I think the really telling scene in this episode
is between Olivia and Dodds where Dodds is like this
is really getting out of hand, like like it seems
like if they just kind of got together and and
hashed it out that no one would have to go
to jail, and Olivy's like, yeah, but the law is

(02:38):
the law.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yes, but that's not the show that we're Yeah, yeah, God,
shut the fuck up and fall in love.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Part of me agrees with Dodds. We'll talk about like
my uh the sympathy tracker for this kid, which slams
into the pavement toward the end of the episode.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, it I it was always that because I was looking,
I was like, look at him, look look at the now.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Especially when they give him the makeover. I'm like, that worse.
It's so much worse.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Now, Oh my god, it's like, yeah, I I one
believe that guy didn't. Now look at it. It looks like
fucking Patrick Bateman.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Little I'm masturbating in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
For real, Like why did making him look like a
fucking like poster boy for the arian? Yeah, make him
less likely to be a rapist? Wrong? That incorrect? That
is you've gone You've gone too far in that direction.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
You know, like there's a the old nerd defense, the
nerd what the fuck is the nerd defense?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, it's the classic instance of like going so far
one direction that you wrap around around the other side
of it. So it's it's not good.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
Eventually, the further the further left you go, you eventually
you get your guns back.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Is that how that works?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, it's the old horseshoe theory.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's incredible. I think we need to do a better
job of advertising that. Then maybe we can pick up
a few votes here and there.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So, how is your week been?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Man? Oh, the left doesn't vote. That's also true. The
week has been fucking stellar of you. So much has happened.
It's been such a busy.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Wasn't It's it's fast steel day.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Happy about steel day, storm the best steel everyone.

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yes, you're a.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Correct a revolution on. So, I mean, there's really I
I don't have Potter, there's no pattern. We literally recorded yesterday.
I haven't even had a full day. Yeah, really happening.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
We hung up from each other with each other twenty
one hours ago, which it like like how it was.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Bumped up where it was going to be forty eight.
There might have been something. Who could have been something?
I mean, it could have been something. There was nothing
good by Carnamar. You don't know this.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
How soft we've gotten in our old age. We once
did this eight times in a day. I guess we
didn't small talk that much.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
No, there really wasn't much to small talk about. And
to be fair, we were absolutely miserable, horrible. It's it's
it wasn't filled with the lovely well. I mean, I
guess we don't really have that that joyous bounce in our.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I'm joyful what with.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Hors Yeah yeah, so, uh you know, but no, I'm
doing it's it was an absolute It's funny because apparently
there's weather out your way and it's a gorgeous day
here in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah. So it rained for about two hours here, which
is I don't know why, but then it's cleared up.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
It's nice sunny again. Weird. Go you gotta get some
water out there in the desert.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Yeah, because of the fires and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Right, Yeah, you're gonna want You're gonna want more of
that if you can get it totally as it turns out,
I have a couple of little updates, Yes, updates update corner.
So first off, oh my god, can we we need
to funk.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I live here in the future with you.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
But what with the war crimes at all?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
What with the war crimes? I like, I hate that
I have never met this guy, and.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
The beat where it just where you just hear what
with the war crimes at all? I mean, would you
would you qualify him as a friend? Will? I will?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now a stranger is just a friend you haven't met yet.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
I okay, fine, I suppose in that sense of.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
The word, sure, we're all God's creatures.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Match. I suppose we are, and some of those God's
creatures send us a mail bag which we have a
very very to the bag. It's exactly and one of
those gods creatures is super fan Lily Oxith.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
So last episode we read last week, yeah, last last week, if.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
You if you'll recall wisters.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Oh, we read a really batshit crazy.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Email from Lily, to the point that we were asking,
are you okay, Lily? Are you on drugs or having
a stroke?

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Correct that?

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Perhaps to Doutlas.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
I'm actually I'm thinking of I think I'll just reread
the email because I think that's the only way that
this new email makes sense.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
But does it make it funnier to just read the clarification?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I don't without this is sort of what I was wondering.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
So it's it's I it's a fifty to fifty really,
I I mean, do go for it.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
I'm gonna read it if you want to cut it right, So, Lily,
I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
It's just more work for you on the back end,
So it makes no difference to me. Read it all
you want. I'll just bleep it everything. Yes, what with
the war crime? What with the war crimes?

Speaker 2 (07:55):
So Lily wrote an email that we read last week saying,
woke up to the old pod cast under my pillow.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Which I, okay, what does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (08:04):
I don't know old app? And for years did you like?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did you do you like outside bones like outside pods,
outside pods?

Speaker 2 (08:11):
I think it just puts the puts the phone under
her pillow so she can listen to us while she sleeps.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Don't do that old app. For years, I have so
confused about where this hashtag poopazoid started and the podcast
was on where it originated. This has been bothering the
shit out of me. Now I know, challenge you remember
the origin?

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah it was.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I was eating a cliff bar Right now. I'm sat
with Gareth watching Brave Heart. He's never seen it. Oh dear.
We talked about Brave Heart last week. We watched Nose
Fratu I fell asleep. It was awful. If you want
to see Lily Rose's boobies before she's spoilers Eaten in
half boring? How would you know you fell asleep?

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Haven't seen it thanks to the spoiler.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I'm looking forward to you guys getting to SVU season seventeen,
episode at fifteen, when the shit hits the fan with
Hank Abraham, the deputy commissioner played by Josh Piss. It's horrible,
especially how the old man gets used for his broadband
next door. It'll make sense eventually, I don't know if
it will. Also, do you not remember that Pablo Schroeder

(09:19):
whatever William Lewis's actor name, Paula Schreiber, was in an
EP I Think in season three as the drug dealing
dad whose ex kills herself because she's bullied by the media.
He's not really, He's not the really father. The father
steals the kid for the old bat of a mother.
If his his surname us Kendall, baby us named Kendall.

(09:45):
Matt points out baby Us Kendall Kendall. Then at the end,
Panlow gets the baby. Then he's William Lewis, so Lily writes.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So that's an obyssey of an email.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah. Yeah, so Lily writes, in my first email. Just
to clarify, I wrote it on my phone. US is
auto corrected.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
US US is supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
It is right. So the baby not us named Kendal Kendle,
but it is named kendlend Fourth.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
Still doesn't help, but it makes the sentence sort of work.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Oh yeah. So she also went on to say something
about like seeing the F one movie in fourth and
we're like, in fourth place, you were right. It was
four D X. Yes, holy shit, I would have bet
Dollar's shadelas that that is not what the fuck she
was writing. But forty X and she goes on X
forty x's it's a three D experience but the chairs

(10:42):
move and shake. Yeah, man, I saw aunt Man in
forty X. That was ten years ago.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
That sounds like a terrible experience.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Uh, doll did love it. Watch the movie like you're.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Sitting there, you're getting sprayed with Shit's like, what the
fuck is raid with ant juice? Well, no, that's an
actual that is part of the thing. If there's like water,
they water.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
But they only do it with the ant juice.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, it depends on the movie. I understanding, just no
matter what pure cold pressed ant juice.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Do you want a trivia question back, Lily, what's a
movie where they they put live ants into the theater
to enhance the theater experience of a movie called.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Mant That was a trivia question. Yeah, trivia question.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
So there's a movie where it's there's a movie within
the movie called Mant and the theater the theater purveyor
puts live ants into the theater too.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Like that. That literally sounds like an inter dimensional cable
bit from Rick and Morty kind of. So that's for
a second. I didn't hear the movie within a movie portion.
Oh yeah, what did the theater owner then burned down
his establishment for the insurance.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
I actually think that that might be how the movie ends,
but I might be confusing that movie with another movie
with the same actor from around the same time that
ends in.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
A big fire. What movie is this?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I'm not gonna tell you. You gotta you gotta write
in with.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yours with the war crimes and Toby.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
It's it's the movie plays like a theater owner. Sure,
and yeah, he used to play on Comedy Central a lot,
But I was might be confusing it.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
With what would you possibly the fire?

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Yeah, the fire, I'm confusing at the end of I
think where he definitely does die at a.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Fire, I was gonna say, or glorious bastard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, it's honestly pretty similar ending where in plays a
neo Nazi and he sets a hotel on fire, walks
up to says Kyle Hitler, and then blows his brain's out.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, never seen him.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
It's good. I just told you the ending. Sorry, but
it's good. It's really really good.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
It's like, I'm not gonna remember that the time I
ever get around to watching it, so it's fine.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
It's kind of like the version of where he is
a screenwriter and he he thinks he's making art but
everyone's like, you're making a boxing picture. And his room,
his like neighbor at the hotel that he's living in,
has to happens to be a neo.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Nazi, got it? Okay?

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Actually I don't think. I don't think there's anything neo
about it. I think the movie takes place in the forties.
He's like, just a no, no, it's color just a
regular no.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's a racer head I'm thinking of.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, I actually think cover is also black and white,
and there's like a mosquito on his head and he
looks like a racer head. So you're you're you're correct
for part part of it.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I also get I always get a racer head and
videodrome mixed up.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh, totally different vibes. One of them incredibly horny, the
other one never have a baby.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Both weird as fuck, though, weird.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
As fuck in on one of them. James the Chess vagina,
The Chess Vagina VCR.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
Yeah that's video drum. Yeah, No, I know. I know
a lot about the movies, just never see them anyway.
So Lily goes on in Earth.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
This email Jimmy Woods is like big horse eyes, just
like Unblinking forty X. It was awesome. I watched the
New Top gut in forty X, me too, and it
was awesome. The movie was awesome. I don't love forty X.
You even got sprayed with miss when Tom Cruise was
driving his motorcycle down the beach and juice.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Why would you want that? I don't know, like sitting
there watching a movie, why would you like? Yeah, well, like.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Lily has a problem with falling asleep during movies. So
I think it's just periodically sprays r a wake her up,
like spritzing a cat. Probably got some infection from that.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
This is what I'm saying. You want gross, ain't juice
sprayed on your face? But it was worth it? Aunt cocky,
Like what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Aunt cocky? They say he came in this episode way
too much.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
And I was like, wow, we're at that point on television.
The method or nothing methodize the language.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Rather, Yeah, the Smile movie makes no sense, no period
need a that knew Blake Lively justin update in his opinion.
Oh that woman is crawling back into her cave. Yes,
don't you do this, Lily?

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Okay, Well love you Lily. Since you asked, I must deliver.
So today a lot of commotion over the past couple
of days in uh in the the Blake Lively justin
Bealdona case. So since I was asked, I will give
a quick rundown of Eve. I ticket you have not
kept tabs on this. No, you cannot turn the volume down.

(15:49):
You're just you're actually not turning anything. You're just doing
a lot of object work.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
If this was improp so, I've been taking mine classes
ten minutes later there was.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
A lall written for this. But the problem is when
you are wielding that as a sword rather than a
shield to protect you, you're using it to basically try
to make it so like, Aha, you can't get me back, fucker,
and I'm gonna just do this and put you out
of business. It's like, well, no, that shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
I think that this is ultimately the problem with legal
ease in the first place, is like it makes it
like purposely draconians, so that at you know, I'm gonna
bring it back to this episode again. At one point,
Jay Landsman is like, so you didn't say no, but
you said you think no and you didn't want him

(16:36):
to go down there? But did you what did you
mean down there? Did you mean the floor? Like, come on, guys, like,
let's use some common sense here, right, And I guess
I mean.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
We would have to assume slash hope that the jury
would use common sense.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well they they may or may not. Kind of they
kind of do.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
They kind of split the difference and please no, wonder.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Well it's interesting because they they find him guilty for
the what the plea offer was.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, but now he's gonna be on the register well
he was gonna be on the register either way.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Yeah, so it's like he's they all show it was.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
A tremendous waste of time that everyone's life is ruined
as a result.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Truly, I think that is the meaning of the episode,
and that also feels like the meaning of this Blake
Lively justabout anything. A tremendous waste of everybody's time, and
every one's worse because it's not mine.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
It's giving me life. It's a tremendous waste of their resources.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Your time.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
My time's not that valuable.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
I have a quick room and sign recommends BEPA for once.
Not a movie or TV show, it's a plate yep No,
it's an album. Okay, so this is specifically.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
For you, Matt.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I think I was aware of this band called Foxy Shazam.
Have you heard of this band Foxy Shazam? I have
not great I was aware of this band about fifteen
years ago. I went to see. I didn't even go
to see. I was working at a at a club
and The Darkness played, Oh band we're both fans of,

(18:14):
and Foxy Shazam opened, and they are like the American
So like the Darkness is like British glam rock. Yeah,
Foxy Schuzam is like American glam rock, and the singer
whose name is Eric eight Litz cigarettes on stage, which
was pretty cool. Okay, you know what's cooler than smoking
a cigarette? Eating a Litz cigarette, eating a lit cigarette.

(18:36):
And so I like one Foxy Foxy Shazam song came
up on my little Spotify mix, and so I decided
to do a deep dive because I had never really
listened to their albums and there's one album in particular
called The Church of Rock and Roll, which is really good,
and as I was listening to it, I like heard
sort of the backing harmonies and I was like, oh,

(18:58):
something about these harmonies sound really really familiar, not just
like the way that there were sung, but also like
there seemed to be like a little bit of an effect,
like a like a grit or like a tape distortion
on the backing vocals, and it was like driving me crazy.
And eventually, after like you know, hours of trying to

(19:22):
think of what it was and re listening to this record,
it is the same processing that happens on One Way
Ticket to Helen back of the of the backing vocals
and that that whole record which is the Darkness Record,
and so I looked it up and Justin Hawkins from
the Darkness produced this this Foxy Sam record, and it's

(19:43):
so good. I highly recommend to you and to anyone
who listens to hard rock or glam rock the Church
of Rock and Roll album from Foxy Foxy Shazam. If
you are like a Foxy head or whatever the fuck
they're called, I have, like, I know the albums that
I like. We can talk about them. Let us know
where a SVU podcast at gmail dot com. It's true turtle,

(20:08):
Uh yeah, but if they're they're very good. And uh yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
The mailbank it is fits mail bank by the way.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, it's all the mailbanks, mail bank, as all as
you get at us.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
We never officially closed the mailbank and still.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
We're at uh special at SVU podcast on Blue Sky,
which is weirdly the official Blue Sky of Foxy Shazam.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Who would have thought? You can take that to the
bank blood bank, Senator And for longer or weirder stuff
or tweets, size emails, send us an email special viewing
units strude old gmail dot com and nowt at all
vent ramblings out of the way what with the war crimes.
On to the main event where we're going to be viewing, viewing.
Season seventeen, episode twelve of SV You entitled A Misunderstanding.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
Right after this under fuck you guys.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
And we're back and as we said before the break,
we're gonna be viewing and reviewing Season seventeen, episode twelve
of SV You entitled a Misunderstanding. Just reminder to our listeners,
all the episodes arevailable to watch on Hulu and Peacock.
We recommend that you watch the episode before you hear
us break it down. This one, I mean, watch it's it.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
It's interesting.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
I am fisted.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, there's nothing particularly special about it, but it is
an interesting situation.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's yeah, it'll make more sense. Wait you hear's break
it down. But before we get into breaking down the
episode and the grandest tradition that we have on this podcast, Avive,
you're gonna hit us with a ninety second recap of
what happened to this week's episode. Go ahead.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I said last time that I thought I could do it,
and I absolutely did not do it.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
But this time, this time it'll be different. But this
time it'll be different. But it might work for us,
So we're gonna put ninety seconds on the clock. Why
don't you tell us what the fuck happened to this
week's episode.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
As for you, I'm not gonna blame nine to eleven,
but it certainly didn't help.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I mean, that's you could use that for almost anything.
If you cad to use that in this episode, I
would have been like, he's.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Wrong, He's not wrong. Okay, you guys. Olivia is a
little bit reckoning with what happened last week, but also
not really at all. Matt doesn't have to eat his
at Meanwhile, there's this girl with a Taylor Swift gold
record framed in her room for some reason, named Abby,
and Abby goes to a prestigious private school. It's co ed,

(22:22):
and she gets like the eyes made at her by
some motherfucking guy. And they go to the dance together
and he's like, want to go downstairs? I don't know
if there should be a downstairs at a school dance,
but whatever, They go into the school's dark room. He
gets a little bit more than a little bit too
aggressive with her, and then we cut to her coming

(22:42):
home in tears. So she claims four days later she
claims she was raped. She didn't even really understand the
situation until her her maid found her dance dress covered
in his comb. And so Rita Calhoun goes to SVU
because she went to this private school with Abby's mother,

(23:04):
and so they're gonna they're gonna put this kid, Chris
on trial, and Chris is like, I didn't do anything.
He first tells the cops like, we didn't do anything.
We just kissed. And then they're like, well, we found
yourges on her dress. He's like, you didn't let me finish.
She did let me finish. You didn't let me finish.
And so we think that Chris has lied to the cops.

(23:25):
But Abby punches the hole in her case because she's
still texting Chris being like I'm sorry that this is happening.
I still like you, which is not great. We understand
why why victims do this, it's still not a good thing,
and so they put Abby on they put all the
cops on trial. Chris's lawyer is John Buchanan. He's just

(23:47):
a piece of total piece of shit, but like kind
of a good lawyer. And we also learned that Chris
is in like apparently some weird Latin cherry pickers Society
and had to have sex with Abby in order to
write his name on the library wall of the school.
And so it was like a divergeoning competition or something.
And so they put Abby on the stand and Landsman

(24:10):
Jay Landsman tries to John Muchannon tries to really I
guess make her cry, which works, and then Barbara does
the same thing with Chris. They give Chris a little
makeover to make him look like I'm Nazi and think
that that's gonna make it better. But the Jerry comes
back and Chris is not guilty on two counts, but

(24:30):
guilty on sexual misconduct, which is what Barbara offered as
a deal in the first place, and so it was
just a big waste of everyone's time. And then Abby,
as she's being like pulled out of the courtroom, is
screaming for Chris and saying that she's sorry, and everyone's
just like making faces at each other.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
Bit dick wolf. Yeah, I well, hey, damn near everyone
in the episode.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, I feel.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Very bad for our book because he's like, what the
fuck do you want for? Like, yeah, so I think
we should it would make sense before we get into
break it in because it seems like lately we've been
doing like, all right, here's the first opening thoughts.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, right, episode, which we've already kind of done anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well, mail bag, who knows? So this is gonna I
I the navigation of talking about this.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
I can go. I can go first, because I'm gonna
get fucking canceled anyway.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Who cares? Well, No, I mean, I'm I'm I will,
I will, I will jump on it first, don't you worry.
I will dive on the grenade here, and I will
I'm gonna do this in the most fucking cautious, cowardly
way possible.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Maybe she shouldn't have warned that, That's all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Whole episode seems to be from the SBU always putting
out like p s A episode kind of things. They
they did it in this episode, but they did it
in a way that they traditionally have it in the past,
where this comes in the around the horn segments.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, what they did was basically with dods and.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Yes, but even in like all seasons that we've done,
there's always like, this is what we're really talking about here,
This is the issue at foot, and normally we used
to have fun bullpen sequences with this, we don't really
have that much now. It's a lot of sitting around
with those big screens and they're like eating Chinese food talking.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
About but this does have sort of the structure and
themes of a much earlier SVU episode.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Which which is interesting and devastating that it's always an
evergreen topic so and also not creative. But that being said,
when they get to that scene and there's basically the
discussion where Live says like, the problem here really is
with young boys not knowing what consent is, and it's like,

(26:53):
you know, they're they're talking back and forth where because
Live was saying like, we need rules and Barba's like,
we need rules for teenagers having sex. It Lives like
it doesn't sound great, but yes we do. California just
me out, yeah, California just passed like the positive positive
conception affirmative consent, thank you. Where it's like it's not

(27:15):
just like it's no longer if you do not get
a yes, there's no longer any ambiguity here. If yes
it's not said, then.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
It's no, which I'm sure is like yes, that's on
the on the books, of course, but like of like
obviously that doesn't really happen.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's like saying something. By making something illegal, you assume
that it makes it not happen, and it's like, no,
that's not how that works.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
It just means that's so funny that there's like some
Biden when Biden was president, or maybe it was Obama,
was like, oh, we're gonna make blah blah blah illegal,
and it was like something very petty, like misgendering or
some something very small in like a speech, right, and
Ben Shapiro, big brain that he is, was like, I

(27:59):
noticed he did say that he was going to make
rape illegal, and everyone's like, rape's already illegal, or we're
gonna we're not gonna we're gonna outlaw plastic straws, but
we're not gonna outlaw crime. Crime's illegal. That's why it's
called crime.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Ben, Yeah, that's the definition.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I think Ben Shapiro has a uh an embarrassment kink.
No one can be that stupid that publicly without like
jerking off about it.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
So you think just his entire show, he is just
rock hard. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
I think I truly truly think.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Like you could climb El Capitan. Well, his curved dick.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Let's let's be real. I don't think it would get
you very far.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well, no, no, you put him on but the little spikes
on the crampons.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Oh yeah, yeah, he's your cleats.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right on yeah, because he's only
got you know, the one, so it's not effective. Ben.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
If I know you're listening, Ben, I know you're listening.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Ben, it's called punching up.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Huge, huge fan of the show. If you want to
sue me, you will have to prove that you don't
have an embarrassment fetish. And you know what's going to
be great for your embarrassment fetish to be in court?

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Think about it, Ben, think think about it before you
pick up that pen or that phone.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
So or your death.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
That that's the thesis of the episode, which is which
I would like to say I one hundred percent agree with.
I think that is a a in the same way
that I guess all the Dems are talking about, like, oh,
what's the problem with men. It's like there's there's a
lot of problem, but there's always been a lot of
problems with men. So you know, this is a toss

(29:36):
it on the pile situation in terms of the problem
with men. You know, capital m rit Lards type thing.
But you know, at some way, like I feel like
everyone goes like as they grow up into like a
sexual being as a human being, Like like it's fucking yes,

(30:00):
the consent part should not be confusing. But again, if
it's if you don't have any idea what the fuck
you're to like it, you.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Can't expect it to be perfect.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
It's like an episode of big Mouth where it's like, yeah, yes,
there needs to be changes here, But at the same time,
it's like, I don't know. I feel like we've all
had not necessarily like a quote unquote question, but like
a I don't I really think I might have raped
that girl? But like no, yeah, but like shit that
happens where you're like, I mean that was kind of
a fucked up situation.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
You know, we've all done things that we're not proud
of in different levels and and rape is rape, right,
but I completely agree with you for and I think
like there's like a couple things to play thing. One
obviously is like there is a inherent power imbalance which
should go away before we can ask teens to kind

(30:51):
of police themselves up to a certain level, Like we've
got to make that the cultural power and balance go way, right, Sure,
but I agree with you that, like, could this have
been worked out with uh a mediator where they meet
up and she felt empowered to be like, hey, you

(31:16):
crossed the line. I didn't like that, and for him
to take that and sit with it and actually be
contrite as opposed to having to pretend like he never
even could have done anything wrong in his entire life,
right right.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
And to be clear, whatever she was like, no, don't
go down there, it's like, great, it's over. That's that's
the end of that. So there's no question about that.
Whenever he was describing it, it's like, did she say
that after he.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Had No, that's before, it's before.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
It was okay. I feel like they they didn't. They
didn't really ever address the description.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
He tried to stick his hand down there and then
she's not going to go there.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
Yeah, they're not going to show on TV. So yeah, right, again,
we we zoomed out before the rest of the.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
But that's definitely before he like whipped out his dick
and just on her. Honestly, So, like I think that
this episode, don't I'm not going to sound like a conservative.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
I promise.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I think that this episode is so concerned about like
delivering this message that they like do it at the
expense of like police work. Like, wouldn't they be able
to tell the differences between their stories? So his story worked?
Jumping way ahead, but his story is that he just

(32:33):
got a little excited and jizzed right, and and her
story is he whipped out his dick and tried to
force it inside her and then jizzed. Like wouldn't they
be able to test his pants? And if there's jizz
on like the inside of his pants, his story checks out.
But if there's no jiz on the inside of his pants,

(32:55):
then her story checks out.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Well, well know that there's chiz on her dress, so
they already they already know that. But you're saying, basically,
if he was.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
His account of the events, he doesn't pull out his cock, but.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
They already have this ement on. Oh so you're saying
there was like a soak through. Yeah, I mean, I
don't know, man, that would.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Be This is what this is. This is why I
don't believe his story in the first place. But if
he were to want to prove that, oh, there's jiz
all up in the inside of my pants and it's
soaked through. I can prove it. Here are my fucking pants.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
I mean, there could still also be a bunch of
just in his pants and that and her version of
the story.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I agree, I agree, But there's no.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
There's a world where all of these things can be true.
I guess that wouldn't be inconceivable for like two any teenagers.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Two idiot kids that that kid just.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Said, I don't know what the fuck they're they're not
doing it.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
But I think that that we're so focused on their
testimony that there's like basically no forensics that are done.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
No, And again, I to be clear, this this show
makes it a lot more black and white, I think
for the sake of it, not soy black and white,
but a lot more black and white in that she
very clearly was like, do not do that?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Yeah, yeah, and he kept doing it, and.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
He kept doing it, not not like oh she just
pushed his hand away and whatever, like something to that effect. So, like,
to be clear, the show makes it pretty black and
white for the viewers. But the rest of it, again,
it's a lot he said, she said, But imagine it
more into scenario or real world scenario where it's like
it's a hand push away as opposed to it, Like
there's a million different ways that it's like you could

(34:27):
understand someone would be able to understand. Again, I understand
the show was not doing that right, And the conversation
that you and I are having is about that totality
and not the reality of the show.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
That too, ultimately is a systemic thing because if we
are if the whole point of the car sooral process
is to punish people and not rehabilitate them, then we
never we never even bother to help educate, help someone

(34:57):
unpack like why what they did was wrong and so
that they can be a functional member of society moving
forward and not let the worst thing that they've ever
done define them forever. Yeah, and and once again, I'm
not defending teen rapists. I'm not defending any rapists. But
like if I'm trying to like really lead into this

(35:19):
like prison abolition side of me, and like that means
the Nazis and the rapists and everyone else, Like like
there's we if we're if we believe in rehabilitation for people,
then we believe it for not just the people that
are the worst, but like the people like this kid
who probably, based on my reading of the situation, is

(35:44):
not beyond help.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
No, he he does seem to have some genuine remorse for.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Until he takes the stand, and then I think that
there's a shift.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Well then I think he's just reading off of a
fucking memam I script.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Which but which makes him to me less uh relatable.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right, because that he's not taking responsibility. He's just doing
exactly he's being. He's doing what he's being told to
do just to avoid jail time. He's actually taking ownership of.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Event and the fact that that's what you have to
do to avoid jail time. Rather than be like, you're right,
I fucked up. Let's work this out so that I
can like what they could have done.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
They could have taken a plea that was the whole Like,
that's that's what that moment would have been. It's like, Okay,
you take the plea. You're admitting to it like as
a poor As a condition of the plea, you have
to you have to do you have to be on
the sex offenders Registry and x Y, like that's where
you could do that.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
It's but lambsman doesn't make his money if that uh right?

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Again, it's it's the whole I'm just saying. I guess
at the end of the day, what this episode does
is make something They have a conversation that I don't
think is it's close to the conversation that people should
be having. Again, agree with us statement, but about the
shall we say, vagaries of something like this, The show

(37:11):
removes that entirely by putting in her saying like absolutely not.
But they're talking yeah, yeah, yeah, but they're talking about
this exist.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Yes, but they're talking.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
About this situation yeah, as if there were vagaries as
opposed to like we know there are none in this
case totally. So that's why, like all this conversation they're
having doesn't seem right for this episode. But it's because
we are we as the audience, the dramatic iron army.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
So yeah, And I feel the same way about Landsman
in like like cross examining her where he's like yelling
at her and making her cry and everyone's like, man,
I don't know what to believe now, Like what do
you mean you know what to believe? She was consistent
and he yelled at her and made her cry like

(37:55):
this is a slam dunk.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
He literally was like yeah, but didn't you want it?
Don't you understand why he would have fucked you wanted it.
It's like he's like, no, no, I said no. The
word no is pretty definitive.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I said don't go down there. The n apostrophe t
that sense for no, not do not go down there?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
Right, He's like, well, where to the floor. It's like
if you wanted to make out with fuck? Uh. Yeah.
When I said don't go down there, I meant don't
go down on the floor, because you know, I thought
he was at any moment gonna be so horty for
the fucking floor because he would forget what I was doing.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
That is the That is the dumbest part of the episode.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
That is the most bad faith argument.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
And the fact that Barbara doesn't object to that is
like a little disconcerting.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
It's like, objection your honor. The defendant did not seem
very interested at the floor at the time. He seems
more interested in shoving his fingers up her vagina. So
can we use some common fucking sense here? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Yeah, So okay, we open with none of that. We
open with Olivia in therapy, and I'm like, oh, is
not gonna have to eat his words, Nope.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
No, I mean they She at least talks about it
and indicates that I guess she's been off of work
for a certain amount of time.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
She also seems to have more, uh to be more
shaken up by the fact that Joe from last week's
episode had brain damage from his abuse than the rape
that we all heard happen.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Right in the other room. Well, yeah, that's it's a
it's a real messy way to get her to the
line of like, oh, it's just like an endless cycle
keeps going. And that's where her therapist was like, Okay,
so if it's literally an endless cycle and and it doesn't,
it's gonna keep happening. He's like, why do you have

(39:42):
to do it? You should ques like, you should fucking
quit this job. She's like, it's because I have hope,
and he just accepts that as like.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Well, rebellions are built on hope.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, I guess there's nothing, as the therapist I can
do to be like, are you sure that's hope?

Speaker 2 (39:56):
I'm fine, she said not finally, and.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
He's like, well, I guess that means I have to
let you go back to work, because in the same
way when the cops were like, I was in fear
for my life. Yeah, right, I had. She's like, I
feel ready to get back to work after giving you
all of that information that clearly shows that I am
fucking not.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah. The one piece of lip service she says about
the girl who was raped in last week's episode and
that we all had to hear was she's traumatized. That's
gonna be a long road.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Cool, that's gonna be a spicy meat the battle. It's like,
what the fuck are you talking about? And also, yeah,
she's gonna she's gonna know for the rest of her
life that there was a cop in the in the
other room that didn't help her, that didn't help her
when she was being raped.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
He gave her how you say the Gabba ghoul and
and doctor Lindstrom is like, okay, you really want to
be you think that the precinple fall apart without you?
But what about your relationship with Noah? And she's like
I can barely let him out of my sight. And
I'm like, well, they switched your kid and you didn't

(41:06):
seem to notice that.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
But okay, again, Nick Cage, we all know this, yeah right.
So od a History podcast don't worry live, I've got
it today.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Yeah, I'm gonna be here alone, mommy, and so we
we hardcut. She's like, I came here because I'm fine,
and then he's just signed the fucking paper and says
I'm fine. It's literally the DiCaprio scene where he's like
fleecing Vera Farmiga for drugs in the demarket threat you
don't know, and then they make out weird, weird movie.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Yeah, it's like he's just like, oh, he's so broken,
Like I can fix him.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
I've known some fucked up therapists, so yes.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Why did they get into therapy?

Speaker 2 (41:48):
There you go, it's a therapist healed itself. And so
we cut to a high school where a guy named
Chris is just creepily staring at a girl named Abby,
and Abby.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Frend is creepily staring back at it, being like.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
Girl so Abby's friend whore, I'm sorry name woor Melissa,
No so Abby. They're very like high school movie or
show coded, where Abby is very innocent looking and the
friend Daniella is the like sex pot, the sex pot, well,

(42:28):
the the lolita, the whatever right and so, but like
they're all kind of creepily staring at each other, and
Abby turns to Dan yell and goes, he's a senior.
She's like, Chris is looking at you, and Abby's like,
he's a senior. And then we cut to.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
You guys are just like, dude, you should go fuck her.
He's like, yeah, I will.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
I will go.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
If you don't, I'm gonna we will. He's like, all right,
you know, fun came on, fuck her hard.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
Cut to the Montagues and the Capulets. Two houses, both
the Like and Dignity. I just am always reminding.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Juliet Law is specifically brought up in this episode.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Yeah, it's also true. I'm always reminded of the movie
Easy A where Olive Pendergrast played by Emma Stone, is like,
how come in high school movies they're always reading the
book that corresponds to all their problems?

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I never saw that movie.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Oh, it's really funny. I've heard that it's very, very good.
And so it seems like.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
They're like they're text somehow they're texting. They have each
other's numbers. I guess I don't know, I've got them
from friends or whatever like that.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I have a specific question for you, Oh, because you're
a subtitles subtitles guy. Yes, what I hear is Abby
tell Daniella. He invited me to the Solstice dance. Is
that what you got.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
From the subtitle or what I got on the screen?
Either way, Uh, it was the Solstice dance. It was
something about him asking I think he was asking her,
I do want to go to the sto you.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Want to go to the salt. But it is the
Solstice dance, right, correct?

Speaker 1 (44:05):
The solstice?

Speaker 2 (44:06):
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Don't ask questions of if I do not have answers,
No answers for you lie over here. I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
We grew up in Pennsylvania, so I think that that's
part of it. But like, never in a trillion years
would the school be like, here's a Solstice dance.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
No, it would be either.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
The winter winter, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
What season is it? If it's not prom or if
it's like homecoming yeah yeah yeah, but like or maybe
your town has a harvest festival if you're in fucking
farm country or some shit.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Do you understand the weird kooks that would protest our
school if our school had a solstice festival.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Yes, we went to school with a lot of them,
A lot of them a lot, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
So Abby and Danielle are getting ready, Danielle wearing obviously
basically a fuck me.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
She's she's dressed like do you remember in Casino Royale,
like the first girl in uh in the Bahamas that bonds.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Gets yeah, not Eva Green, Yeah, yeah, not.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Even get the the other lady he gets fucking murdered.
But she's got that red dress on. Yeah, it's she's
dressed like that character. And I'm like, wow, that is aggressive.
And I wrote down, are these high schoolers?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Or you are high school? She's supposed to be fucking fifteen.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
This is the problem. Yeah, this is this is this
I objection your honor. This is the fucking problem here.
Because I was like, the actors are like in their
twenties obviously, so it's you know, but it's like it
it's kind of hard to believe.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yeah, and so.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Dressed like vets and I get they come from money.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
She she is so the actor that plays Daniella is
Caitlin Dylan Ortez and oh sorry, Catherine Dylan Ortez. And
she basically plays this type of character in many things,
including Gray's Anatomy. Er. She plays is a cheerleader, a

(46:02):
movie called I Like It Better when You do it, okay,
and ray Donovan where like the one of the pictures
on her IMDb is her in like a dominatrix outfit
with leather bunny ears, like grinding on Ray Donovan.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
You know, I look forward to what I hit fifty
and I can start watching it.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, right that and Bosh.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Oh yeah, oh that fiftieth. It's just gonna be twenty
four hours straight of Ray don Ray Donovan and Bosh
back to back.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
What else do Boomer's like billions? Because the ones that
have them, yeah, true, uh.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
So taking them with them?

Speaker 2 (46:37):
The mom Aabby's mom like gets in the picture with them.
It's super weird. Dad's got like a camera. He's like, oh,
we're gonna take a picture of your first day outs
And then mom gets.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
Which first and forebost everyone would just be taking pictures
on their phone, they're not.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
The girls are. And then the dad is like bringing
out basically like one of the old cameras with like
the sheets that.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
You have righte over so.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
And uh and my note is looel the slutty friend.
The slutty friend is like Danielle is like, you're gonna
you're gonna suck this guy's dick or just let him
put it in your butt?

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Or okay, what's.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (47:15):
No? Hold on? I wrote down specifically like she gets
a text the more modest of the girls, what's her name? Abby? Abby?
Thank you? He says something like oh, like you know,
I can't wait to fucking see see you or something
like that. Are you?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Are you h?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Right? Yes? What did I? I feel like I missed out?

Speaker 2 (47:34):
She says like, are u h? That's so? It means
he likes you?

Speaker 1 (47:38):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
I don't know. I was expecting them to explain it
in the episode at some point, like I.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Was expected like DTF, I'm like, we get that that I.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Used similar so from Urban Dictionary, the first definition for
r u h is like bruh, but without the beat,
like you see the game, which I'm pretty sure is
not right.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
God, no bruh since we have we have an idea
that it's supposed to be good. I don't think it's that.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
My guess is are you horny? Are uh?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
That's that okay?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Which is, according to Urban Dictionary, a common sexting slang term.
From January fifteenth, twenty twelve. This is when this post
was made, so it like fits kind of that.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
That's kind of in the ballpark. Okay, I guess that's
that's also what I guessed given the again the theme
of the episode, I guess that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
Yeah, right, And so they're they're drinking at this they're
drinking flasks out of flasks at this dance and taking
glass pictures of each other, like tonguing, tongueing each other.
And then he's like, do you want to go downstairs?
And I'm like, why is there a downstairs at a
high school dance?

Speaker 1 (48:58):
I said, wait, so where is this downstairs? Why is
it taking place? Is this taking place out of school?
There's a downstairs?

Speaker 2 (49:07):
So at our high school dances, they like locked every
everything but the exits and even then and even then,
so they go downstairs. They're in the dark room and
he just keeps me like, you're so hot, Abby, You're
so hot, You're so hot, Abby, and start tries to
take his hand down her pants. She moves it away,

(49:28):
she says, don't go down there, and then he like
keeps being we see him keep being aggressive, right, and.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Then so he moves so now he's kind of he's grabbing,
he's going upstairs a little bit here, and then he's
he's still downstairs, but he's going upstairs right. But he's
he's working, he's he's he's got a two two two
fronts strategy going here. And she says, like I think
in relationships, who's.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
The guy that works in the button factory? What you
know that? Uh that little kid thing. My name is
Al and I work at the button No oh man,
so what what is that? This is a song by
the apparently called the Learning Station, and it's like something

(50:12):
that I learned when I was a kid. But it's like,
let me just look it up. My name is Joe
and I work in a button factory. And one day
my boss came up to me and said Joe, and
I said yo, And he said you're busy, and I
said no, We'll push this button with your right hand. Hey.
My name is Joe and I work in a button factory.
And today my boss came up to me. He said Joe.

(50:34):
I said yo, he said you're busy. I said no,
can you push this button with your left hand? And
event it's like a game for kids and you eventually
like are doing all this stuff with your hands like
Chris his name is Joe and he's working in a
button factory.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, and then she says, like, would have.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
Made way more sense if you like knew what that
reference is.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Yes, having to explain it really slowed a little joke.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
It just marinates in its own juices.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah. But she says, you're hurting me, and I'm assuming
you get said reference to because the camera is also
kind of moving in a in a half arc around them, Yeah,
like you're losing sight of some of what's happening.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Specifically, I assumed that it was referring to the downstairs
and not the upstairs. Little not impossible, but more difficult
to be like, how you're hurting me to the upstairs, right.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
So yeah, that's why I was like, because I like
because whenever she says no, he does lift his hand
up from a like under, I.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Think then he tries it again. It's it's it's not good.
He should he should definitely stop. There's no world in
which it's like super chill to keep going, right.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
But that's why I was like, at the moment, I
was like, Okay, she said stop, he's stopping. Good, And
she's like, okay, you're runing. Okays he's he's coming it
hot here, but like you you.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Should tone it down, like you're you should be pulled
back right about now, and then it cuts of course. Yeah,
so she so Abbie gets home and she stomps up
the stairs and her parents are like, how is the dancer?

Speaker 1 (52:10):
She's like, fine, I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
I'm going to bed, and then he's The last thing
we see is he texts her and says I had
a great time, and she just writes okay, and then
pass that who throws throws herself on her bed and cries,
and then we made Amanda you no.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Then Danielle texts her and it was like I want
all the.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
Deets, oh right, right right, and then she like starts
crying right But then we meet Amanda's baby and everyone's like, wow,
she's beautiful. When are you coming back? Are you still
a cop? And Creases like NYPD only gives six weeks
maternity six weeks? Holy shit?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, and he also is like, by the way, enjoy
this while you can, because whenever you have to leave,
it's going to be the worst thing I've ever had.
And it lives like Creasy, shut the fuck up man.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
And Rita Calhoun is the only person she walks in.
She's the only person that matches my freak where she's like, oh,
look a baby.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, it was so funny. Actually it's like, oh, look
a baby live Can I speak with you please? I
I cackled at the head.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
So readA Calhoun, who is played by Elizabeth Marvel, is
typically a defense attorney, and she's one of the two
defense attorneys that defended Greg Yates, and so she wants
to actually help prosecute this kid, Chris, because she wants
She's like, wants to help out. Well, we don't know.

(53:35):
Olivia is like, you're trying to make penance for representing
a serial killer. She's like, oh no, it's because Abby's
mother was my like private school schoolmate, so like, of course,
it's just like rich people doing rich things.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, so I'm doing her a favor. So Live and
Greasy go over to the to their house to talk
to the parents.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
To take her statement. Yeah, take everyone's state.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
So that the dad's like, all right, how does this work?
They explain everything and like, all right, we need access
to her social her socials, social media and all of
her friends, you know, we need to talk to her.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
The mom is like to Olivia, it's Olivia that goes
over increasy, right. But to Olivia, the mom's like, Rita says,
you're the best, please enjoy the crew. De Tay she uh,
she disclosed to Pilar our system. I'm like, shut the
fuck up, shut up, lady.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Right, it's uh And of course is like, oh god, please,
I don't want to be involved.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, And so we go back to Abby's room to
take her statement, and it's the second time. This time
we get a really good look at it that she
has a platinum Taylor Swift record on her wall.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Was not paying attention? Did not clock it? Oh? Really?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, it's like super obvious. So I'm wondering, especially at
this time, I'm wondering if that's supposed to be like
a signal of her innocence or like virginitness or whatever.
It's like pre reputation pre nineteen eighty nine, you know,

(55:21):
could be Yeah, I it's it's weirdly, it's like so
big and obviously Taylor Swift that like there's no way
that that that accidentally made its way in there.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
Sure, Oh, I wondered, because because I would have to
go back and look at it, because I Honestly, I
didn't clock it. I wasn't paying attention.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
I guess Swifties in our inner fan base. I'm putting
stuff together now. Taylor has had a cat named Olivia Benson. Yes,
so I think that this was just like a high
Taylor back and forth.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
Sure, Yeah, because Murschca Hargeta was in her Batlove video.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
Yeah, which is I think after this because this is
early twenty sixteen, and.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
I think because that was off of nineteen eighty.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Nine, which is later twenty sixteen. I believe, I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I always get the years mixed up on all of
these seats.

Speaker 2 (56:13):
Oh, twenty fourteen came out on my birthday, twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
I'm so probably right fucking wrong, So probably riding that high.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, never mind. Yeah, so they're just they're just saying
hi to each other, and so they.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Say, got to the bottom of that.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Yeah, I was really I was really curious and so, uh.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
Wait, of this what year did Bad Blood? What was
the release state of that?

Speaker 2 (56:33):
Sing on a single? Yeah? So the nineteen eighty nine
album came out October twenty seventh. Oh that makes sense
based on who I was dating at the time, not
my wife. October twenty seven, twenty fourteen. Shake It Off
was the first single release in August. Bad Blood was
May seventeenth, twenty fifteen, so a little under a year

(56:57):
before this episode.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
When, so, when did they start filming.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
The this sad epposite of the season. Probably over the summer,
so like the in the fall of.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
Even though it's the episode.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I have a feeling that this was like in
the works for a while, based on Marishka being in
the Bad Blood video.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Yeah, I'm just wondering if that's when they.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Oh, the record is forty eight minutes long, so fucking long.
Ze started us as thirty six minutes. No records should
be longer than thirty six minutes.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Oh, I don't agree with that at all. So I
think no movie should be longer than ninety minutes. Though,
if you can't get done in ninety minutes, economy language.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
My movie's eighty eight minutes. It makes that so Abby
says that Chris started texting her sexting really, but she
wasn't slutty, maybe a little flirty.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I mean, it's all subjective, so I don't know why
you even bother saying that, just like you read him
for yourself.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Yeah right, I also think that, like she is just
so worried about looking like she invited this for whatever.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Oh well, I mean that's and going back to what
you said earlier that this feels like it's an episode
more akin to the earlier series. The whole idea of
which we always they would always say these episodes is
like this is part of the reason that victims still
come forward, is there afraid that they won't be believed,
And so like.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
That's going back to what happens in this fucking episode.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
And meanwhile downstairs, the mom's like, she said she was tired,
but she always talks to me after dances. They should
have made her talk to me. What mom, right, calm myself.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
I get that you you feel like you have to
have control of something here, but that's.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Not that's the saying it. She let's calm the fuck down,
and uh and and Cariesy's like, well, she did come
to you eventually, And the mom's like, no, she came
to pull PLR.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
And the only reason she came to PLRS because she
threw a dress out, the dress out from that night
from the night Yeah, and PLAR saw that had a
just gigantic.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
This just stayed and mister Stuart. So mom has a name,
Laura Stewart, dad no name, mister, mister Stewart. And so
mister Stewart is like at a ten. He doesn't really
say anything basically the whole episode, but he is about
to go full family annihilator on the other kid's family.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yes, and so it was like she they confronted her
about it. Whatever, they found the state and she that's
when she told them what happened.

Speaker 2 (59:34):
Yeah, she went down, She said, she went down to
the school dark room. She made out with someone in
the school dark room. I made out with someone in
our high school's dark room.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Did you? Yes? How the fuck about that?

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I don't remember any other details. It was pre nine
to eleven.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Didn't help anything.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Not saying that nine to eleven. No, I think it
was just post nine to eleven, pre Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Oh man, remember those good old days.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
It's a really tentative time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
A very specific time in American history. Every kiss could
be my last cod Gulf the war. Yeah, I'm getting
shipped out. Kissed me in the dark room.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
And so so she's she's telling the story and she's like, Okay,
so Chris shoved his hands down my dress and tried
to stick his fingers inside of me. And she's like
really having a lot of trouble getting this out and
was like, okay, So what happened next? Like she's like, fucking,
I don't care, keep going, bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Yeah, and that's what she's like. Well, then he tried
to put his penis in me, but he just couldn't.
He didn't know. He couldn't like her scrip is like,
he couldn't like figure it out. Yeah, he couldn't. He
couldn't find the hole. Graphic is that but yeah, and
it's like and then and then he just then he

(01:00:58):
came and then it was over. Then Yo, he came.
I was like, wow, work damn, I was saying, came
on NBC Jesus. All right, Well, so Matt, times are changing.
I have a question for you. What I am I'm
frightened by the lead up to this question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
What is your relationship to premature ejaculation? Uh? Happens to
a lot of guys, Matt, happens a lot of guys.
Nothing you ashamed of, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
It's happened. What what what do you? What is your
relationship with with.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
The eve never met the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Oh well there you go. How about that? How fun?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
How fun for me?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
I think if it were to him makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
For an eighteen year old kid that is trying to
make this happen in the fucking high school.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Dark room, I will push back on that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Oh yeah, you were a sexual god from.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Earth, and I'll tell you why not from birth? Jesus relax.
I was under age once too, No, but eighteen, he's
cranking it five to ten times a day. I think
that if he, if this kid is truly an eighteen
year old kid, that thing is numb. It's sandpaper. I've

(01:02:18):
never lasted longer than I have when I was just
cranking it five times a ditch.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yeah, but we're also assuming that he he too, has
ever done this before, so I don't care how yeah, yeah, yeah,
how much training he has done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
It definitely is going from like a tricycle to flying
a seven thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, it's it's it's apples and org.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
It's it's basically the the genital equivalent of the THHX sound.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Nice. So they go they go over and talk to
Chris's fay and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
It's just it's very specific because you're hearing it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
You're he hear it. It's just like there's like a
moment where it's like it stops being noise and starts
being music, and then it just gets It's just it's
like it gets great. Yep when I come, I can
say that on NBC.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Now the show says this, So we're allowed to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I open my mouth THHX certified?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Is that duty free? Can we put that underneath like
a large portion of this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Certain it is a copywritten, but it is not on Spotify,
so we'll not get us taken down from Spotify, which
is all we really care about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I think that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
So they got they go to Chris's house. Chris's mom's like,
my son did nothing wrong. Why are you even here?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Why are you here hanging out with your son with this?
Like what's going on? It's like all right, they're like,
what is what is that? Whrrorse saying he.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Did exactly yeah. I think she literally says that, and
he's like They're like, uh, Chris, like we didn't have
sex and caries. He's like, well, there was some DNA
on a dress and we need you to give your
DNA and the dad's like, do you need to worry
for that? It's like, oh, we've got one, said fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
And on the side, you should have told us when
you came, and it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
No, it's been like fucking ten seconds, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, they've they've only been talking for Yeah. They literally
just asked him what happened? Yeah, yeah, that and she
said something else happened, that said the conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Your parents came in hot. But uh uh. The mom's
stinger on the way out is I know how these
things go, I know how girls are. What in the
fuck does that mean? She says she heard her daughter.
So she's got one son, one at least one daughter

(01:04:52):
who's a little older. She heard her daughter say to
one of her daughter's friends that she would accuse a
boy of rape if he didn't call her back. I'll
take things that never happened for a thousand, Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
Or if in fact that did happen, that makes you
a god awful parrot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And and you raised the sociopath, right like that makes
you even worse maybe maybe like worst mother of the decade.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Right, So, I you know, fuck this lady.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Oh, especially especially what she does later holy, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yeah, So back to the squad room, we get the
DNA results back. It is his DNA who is surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
By this not at all no one and carries He's like,
so this, you know doesn't mean anything, because like, if
a guy so much has looked at one of my
virginal sisters, my dad was like, that's rape. And then
they find his social media where he's posted the pictures
of him and Abbey making out with the hashtag.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Pick that cherry or cherry picked.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Something like that gross fucking gross yes.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
And that's when they got so they go back to
him and they're like, hey, you like to wait.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
He comes to them right because Rita Calhoun finds out
about the DNA, she like works Olivia in ten seconds less.
And this is where Buchanan shows up and they're sort
of like squaring off because they were colleagues but sort
of rivals as they were both defending Greg Yates. And

(01:06:39):
then he's like, it's like a fun little dick measuring
contest and then he's like, oh, I'm representing the boy.
It's the boys first sexual encounter. He was trying to
impress his friends by saying that he had sex with her.
It turns out he just raped her, I mean did
nothing and just in his pants and literally like while
they're in the entire game room yelling at Chris. Chris

(01:07:03):
is like she's texting me right now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah, and says like, hey, I'm sorry, this is all happening.
I still really like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
You still be bad at it? Yeah, we've done this one, right,
we like, this is definitely a thing that we yes
that we know the uh. The texting the victim is
like texting her perpetrator being like I still like you
or whatever. We've seen that one. Of course we both
get it that like this happens with victims. There's a

(01:07:32):
lot of confusing feelings, especially when she's fifteen he's eighteen.
There's like a we are we in a relationship now?
That just got taken to far, like what's happening? She
doesn't fucking know she's a child. That's why I don't
fuck children, by the way, by the bye, this is
why you don't fuck children. And uh, but it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Still the reason. The singular reason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Is because they their brains are not developed enough to
know what they're doing. Pretty good reason, pretty goold raise it.
But it's all the all those things said. It's a
real fucking bummer. It's a fucking bummer when he gets
that text and he's like see and I'm like, god
damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
And everyone and everyone on our squad is just like
fucking god and lives like that doesn't matter. And Barbera's like, live,
I mean, maybe you know, but you understand as well
as I do that like that's this fucks us. This
is really not fucking helpful for our case.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
But I I'm like, you know, tinfoil hatting, and I'm like,
can we confirm that this is actually her? He just
gets the text and holds it up like did he
get one of his friends to steal her phone or
he changed his friend's number in his phone to her name?
Like the cops should run it down for sure. That's

(01:08:53):
all saying, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
But it's it's also a classic instance of like and
again he's a fucking idiot as well. It's like, yeah,
but then if it's proven that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
That, oh he's happened, super fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Like he if he does, that is the move that
you do, and then you get out of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Well they take his passport, but yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
You could use that distraction once and only once.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
And this is when we get the around the first
of our kind of around the horns, where Olivia's like,
I don't know if it's Olivia, it's someone who's like,
it's so tough to navigate in the digital world when
someone rapes you. Do you unfriend? Do you block?

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Oh? No, it's Calhoun, because Calhoun is talking to Barbara
oh and on the street, and Barbara's like, dude, she
fucking texted back like that's like, that's we're pretty fucked
on that, and Calhoun is like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Look, conduct it's because she's.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
A fucking shy girl and this day and age, who
fucking knows what's happened. There's those these kids don't have
any social etiquette.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
And I do buy that. I think that that is
ultimately extremely true. Also, it's worth mentioning it doesn't like
super get run down, but it's worth mentioning that, Uh,
it's kind of just lip service that this family goes
to like the local police first, and the local police
just like says that they have no case. And Olivia
says a couple times that this is how regular precincts

(01:10:18):
keep their rape stats down by just like someone comes
in and says that they were raped, and you're like,
la la la la la, No, no, no, you weren't.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Say yeah, there's the fucking door. And that's not discouraging
at all for people that are victims of rape to
come forward. Why why would that act as almost oh,
I don't know, a deterrent or going back to exactly
what we said before, they won't be believed. Yeah, it's
it's it's one thing could be like you don't have
a case in another to be just out and out nut.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Believe like you didn't yeah you didn't right this tooth.
But but the results are the same, which is like, correct,
get out of here a correct. And so they say
that they go to the school. Careesy and Finn go
to the school and uh, this is where we get
my pull quote from the episode where Daniellis tells Careesy

(01:11:09):
everyone knows that the dark room is where you have sex.
Once you go down there, you can't change your mind.
And Creese's like, I assure you that you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
He's like, ah, is it.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
That's an actor?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Someone? Did someone tell you that? Or how how did
you know that? Why do you think you know that?
And there's a response to whatever he says, actually that's
not true. She's like, I mean whatever. I'm like, no, no, no, no,
that means it feels like I feel like you were
raped in that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Yea, yeah? Should we do? You want to talk about something?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
I feel like a conversation needs to be had now
because it's like, what do you mean? Did so? Like seriously,
wouldn't that? That's like that episode of SVU that Hayden
Pantiera was in where she's like, yeah, whatever, I was
just doing this, so they're like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
That's ripe, I have that. But I think that moment
comes back when they find like the secret list of
names on the All where Crisey's like, I am concerned
about all of these little girls.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Even asked the wedkids like how many? How old were
these girls? He's like, goes back to like before I
was born? Like I don't this goes back to like
the seventh Reagan side, this like what are you fucking well?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
If I have the mind of a of a teenager?

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yes, and modern day Ronald.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Modern brain is pudding And Daniella, who is supposed to
be Abby's best friend, is like, oh, she's just mad
that Chris didn't ask her out again, or maybe that's
one of the football guys that says that. But they
go to the football field to talk to some football guys.
Same football field is hunts in you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
And if you can believe it, yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
The football guys are like she was. One of them
is like she was asking for it, and the other
one's like, I gotta go study. Or the only smart
guy in the episode, he's like, I want to be here.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
And instead what happens to like, we're gonna take away
your scholarship to Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Yeah, we're gonna go talk to us, talk to us,
call your parents and call Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
He's like God, He's like please, God fucking all right. Look,
we have this thing. It's called the Cherry Pickers Club,
or it's it's Latin first, which I did not write
down the Latin for. I don't know if you did. No,
I didn't, But they say in Latin. I'm like, there's
no there's no worst thing for you to do in
this moment right now, sir, to say Latin name for

(01:13:27):
the for the Cherry Pickers Club.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
The Virgin raping club that you're in.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
This is, in fact, the word just call it the
cherry Pickers Club.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Just come up with a fucking the the little rascals
like fucking anything. So it's a secret society for seniors
at this high school, and it's like a competition to
see how many seniors can deflower how many virgins well
in their senior year, and they get to sign their
name and the names of all of the girls that

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they have deflowered, presumably but not required consenting, right, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Just thinking about this. The more insidious part about this
club is the fact it is for seniors only. Sure,
so that means you have a complete turnover of the
club every year. Who is passing this down? If it's
a secret society, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
I'm sure that like this the the last thing that
the seniors do is show the juniors where the secret wall.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
Is or something. It's it's even worse.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
It's bad. It's so bad. It's really I may have
said that like it wasn't a big deal. It is
definitely a big deal.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
It's it's a system, like it's systematic. It is a society.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
It really is a literal rape factory.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
And so no one in the episode seems all that
concerned about it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Cresy a little bit, so that this kid takes Caresy
and Finn to this wall to the library, and he's like,
it's behind this portrait. And I was praying, praying to
the to the gods that he would grab onto the
portrait and be like, nah, I just made that up.
Fuck you, fuck you big, I made this all up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
I honestly god, I was thinking it was like just
like a sheet of paper something like taped to the back,
not like on the wall. It's written on the fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Wall behind a portrait. Holy shit. And and the kids
like it's a good thing. Chris didn't get shut out
because that wall's there forever.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
Dude, dude, so does everyone just I guess logistically, do
you just you write your name at the beginning of
the season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
I think so, yeah, and then and then you make
your list, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
It's like otherwise, just don't put your fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Name down, bro, fucking yikes.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I So they break it back and bring Chris's name
is there with Abby, right, So it says at least
at one point Chris told somebody that he had sex
with Abby. Presumably that's him. You write in your own.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Names, I agree, but this is him telling someone I mean, oh,
in writing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
This is an official contract, this is written confession. Yeah
aye yah ya ya yaie.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
And and Cariesy doesn't want to explore this because the
quote outs a lot of teenagers and then there's a pause.
He's like, oh, not the boys. Fuck them. The girls though,
it like outs a lot of them as victims of
And I was like, yes, go further, You're almost there
victims of what? Carazy, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:36):
I wasn't there, Oh my god, but you know, possibly maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
So Liv is being they don't.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
It's much of the same way with the push and rapists.
They're like, blo, that's over.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
Yeah, because live is being would you have us do?

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
It's not like it's listed by fucking year at the
same you can pick up a fucking yearbook and figure this.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Out, honestly, and like, you know exactly which ones are
not beyond the statute of limitations?

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
What with the years?

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
What with the are you taking notes on a criminal
fucking conspiracy. So liv is being very pragmatic. She's like, listen,
this case is full of fucking holes. I believe the victim.
I really really really do. This case sucks. So Barbara
and Rita go get a deal because because we're fucked,

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we cannot be we cannot be assumed to uh be
able to do our jobs further from here, we're done.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
I mean even it's like, again, I don't know, like
with all of the evidence of one of those things where.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
I'd be testing the inside of his pants, you know me,
you know that's always my first first thing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Again, but that's not necessarily indicative of anything. I guess
it would depend on the amount the abount. But then again,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
Are you telling me that Melinda Warner cannot tell which
direction the Jesus coming from. It's like the JFK's up
Rooterer tape, but like with common it's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
Had time to absorb into the fabric.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Fee back and to the left.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Oh, this just makes me think of that line in
ball Rats or I think it was one of the
the deleted scenes where he's talking about where Brodie's talking
about Superman having sess with how we couldn't have sex
with low Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Right, right because a hole in her back. Yeah, that's
in the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
That is it's like, oh, well, we could have sex
with us with the cryptodchodom.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
That would kill him, That would kill him, speaking of
I uh got tickets to see Dogma in theaters because
they released it in the Yeah, that's probably in Seattle.
It's everywhere, yeah, check check because they they finally wrestled
the rights.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Away from scene yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
And are doing a full re release.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
He's touring it too, isn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Yes, I'm not seeing any of the road show ones.
I'm just going to like a regular movie, which is
why I think it's probably coming to Seattle as well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Yeah, I'm to look it up. If he's coming here,
I'll probably seeing snag a ticket to that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
I haven't seen it probably since one of the times
we watched it at your house when we were kids,
and so I'm like very ready to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Be very fucking nervous to rewatch it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I rewatched mal Rats at this point, like probably fifteen
years ago, and it did not hold up, believe it. Yeah,
So I think dog was a little bit more put together.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
But it's a little more high brow than maul Rats.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I guess. I mean he does lay waste. He does
lay waste to a fast food restaurant board meeting. So
I'm gonna be like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Ahead of its time, and there's that ahead of its
time monster.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
There's a big poop monster and obviously Rickman in his
one of his great comedic roles. Apparently Rickman got scale
plus ten percent for that movie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
So like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Means he got he got SAG minimum plus ten percent
because he just like wanted to do the movie.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Oh that's really cool.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Kevin Smith posted a picture of his not the deal memo,
but like the letter from Rickman's agent being like, Alan
is prepared to do this for scale plus ten percent.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Wow, that's amazic. I would hang on to that note forever.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
That's why, I mean, that's why he hung on to it.
The great, the great Alan Rickman. So uh, they Barbara
goes to the victim's house, Abby's parents' house, and I
am so distracted because behind Abby's mother there is a
literal wall sized portrait kind of like the splash page

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for Facebook of like like little a little weird line
drawing of Mark Zuckerberg.

Speaker 1 (01:20:49):
I don't know, some girl, you pay so much more attention.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
There's eyeballs. There was eyeballs looking at me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
I'm watching the performances. I mean, I guess for me,
if if I'm looking at the background, it's a problem.
In a show like this, yeah, where it's you know,
if I'm watching Blade Runner, yeah, I want to take
in the one. Yeah right right, right right, But like this,
it's a fucking serialized.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
But I also, to me, it wasn't like it was
like a evolutionary thing where I was watching the scene
and then I was like, there are eyes on me,
something's watching me, and it was like this giant, weird portrait.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
So watching a David Lynch movie, you're just like someone
somewhere is watching.

Speaker 2 (01:21:31):
Me, watching me, am I watching the movie? Is the
movie watching me? So Abby is like hiding on the
stair now we wall He's hey, Coop, I'm dead. Can
we can we confirm that actually.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Beyond the grave.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
So Abby's hiding on the staircase. I don't love the
way she's hiding out because I I'm waiting for her
to like come down and be like mom, what, but
she does it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
I feel like there's also like this is I feel
like this is very much in a lot of kids
movies where they're like, Okay, well we'll just have to
tell them there's no Christmas this year that they go
to Christmas right, or like no Bobby Daddy you're getting
divorced something.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
Yeah, it is very much that move. So Barbara wants
them to cut a deal, and he basically says like,
if you do this, we can avoid the press, and
Abby like runs down, like appears and it's like the press,
my life is over, and then lee and then runs
back upstairs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Right, She's like, everyone hates me at school, everyone hates me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:36):
His friends hate me, like.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
This is terrible, and Rina Calhoun is the one that's
just like, look, this is probably the best we're gonna get.
Let's be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
And even then they say no.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Right, so you know, but the big thing is it's
like there's there's no jail time or anything like that.
But with this, if he pleads guilty, he will have
to be on the sex offender.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
Yeah, so they one guilty to sexual misconduct in the
first question mark degree and so they go so so
Abby's parents agree to that, and then they go over
to talk to Chris's parents and Chris's parents are like,
get fucked. He's applied early to Stanford. Do you understand
what will happen to Stanford, which is in California if

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they find out about this? The Libs, the woke mind virus.
If he's on the sex offender industry, he can't have
a smartphone, he can't use the Internet. Is that fucking true?

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
I find that hard to believe. Not worth a Google
certainly not Nope, not knowing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
Can sex offenders use the Internet? I ask the Internet's
not asking for a friend. And so Chris, in a
rare moment of kind of clarity's like, can't we just
all kind of talk this out and say it was
a misunderstanding?

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
Like he's like, he says, what if I apologize what
you again? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Right, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I at this point of the episode, I think he's
genuine whenever he's or like January fifty, Yeah, like he
believes it because he doesn't really get it because no
one's like did you think about it from her perspective?
Like what if you were wrong? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:24:23):
Yeah, yeah, even.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Like at mess even though like even again because we
know the show showed us that it's like there was
no gray area here, but again since the show is
seemingly trying to treat it as such, yeah, or he
is like you know, I feel like he's approaching from
that perspective where it's like, no, there was very clearly
a point where I was like, nope, stop totally.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
And I think that if the parents weren't so shitty
at this point, they could have made something happen. But sure,
I yeah, And so they want to fight it. They
want to go to court, and Chris is like if
I go to court, like, will people find out what

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I did?

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
And Barbara Barba was like, yes, once you get arrested,
all of that is publican yes, but also and the
press is going to cover.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
This, keep saying stuff like I did this, the thing
that I did. Meanwhile, mister whatever, the dad is like, well,
we should sue her for slander for what she said
about my son. Man, Okay, you know what's really fucking
hard to prove slander, at least with libel. It's in print,

(01:25:39):
also true. So they arrain him. They say he's a
flight risk. His bail said at five hundred K and
they take his passport. And this is our like second
or third I've lost track around the horn where dot
now Dodds is like how did we get here? He's
like squint acting, He's like this is all crazy. This

(01:26:01):
is a high school makeout session gone bad, but it's
also a runaway train. I do kind of think this
is a runaway train.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
I do too, And it's here's the thing though, like
it's at the same time, it's like, well, we're we're
either saying this is a big deal or it's not
a big deal because on some like but it it
is like if we if if consent is an actual thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
I think it is a big thing. And and the
the like twist of this is like, by making this
a public circus, you are making any an even bigger
thing when like this might have been solved quietly with

(01:26:45):
like therapy and talking and that kind of thing. But
who who the fuck am I I'm I'm I don't
have kids, I have never been in this situation, so
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
I mean, what I'm talking about not for nothing, and
I I'm trying to think of the best way to
say this. But on some level, at least from the
performances from both of the actors, like the teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Acting, yeah, yeah, they're pretty strong, they're.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
They're acting, both of them in a lot of ways
like they didn't even necessarily want to pursue the thing.
It's not that they didn't want, it's like it's clearly
something bad happened, but it's like they don't want to
go to court or to like's. They don't seem like
because she's not coming around being like I want that motherfucker.

(01:27:36):
She's just like, I don't this is it wasn't great.
I didn't like what happened. I told him to stop
and he didn't, and this is traumatic for me. But
I'm also not like, I don't want him behind bars.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
But you could handle this privately in some way, right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
That's why Rida Calhoun is involved, because the mom knows
Rita Calhoun, so you know immediately it was like, oh
my god, my daughter, there's a bunch of cum on
her dress. The boy raped her. Get over here. Are
gonna fucking go get him? Yeah, Like that's the mind
that I got. At least.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
It also might be time to talk about the actors.
So Abby's played by Charlotte Ray Rosenberg, who you might
recognize from Inside Amy Schumer or another episode of SVU
season eight, episode seven, under Belly. The Underbelly episode was
the one where the teenage homicide victims with matching tattoos

(01:28:28):
lead Stabler to an underage prostitution ring. So I think
she this was also a Stabler and Danny back episode.
So I think that this was like, uh oh, this
is the one with Omar from the Wire in it.
I think she was like a she She played an
underage sex worker, Charlotte ray Rosenberg and they The boy
Chris Roberts is played by Sean Grandio or Grandillo, I

(01:28:52):
don't know. And he does a lot of stuff where
he looks like a douche masturbate in the bathroom. Actually
kind of no, he does. It seems like he does
a lot of gay uh content. He was he was
in The Real O'Neills, which is a show about a
a young gay boy. He was in something called King

(01:29:15):
Cobra where he plays like a gay uh cam model.
It seems or like like yeah, some kind of model.
Christian Slater is in it. Yeah, so it's he does
like a lot of interesting stuff. But but I think
they're both interesting actors and playing the parts right with
nice subtlety. But they go to court, can.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
They make a comic because now he's got like like
a makeover like back and these and they're like, oh
my god, they're making him look like fucking Harry Potter.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Yeah, but more like Nazi Harry Potter right, and and
they they want to go for something called the nerd defense,
which is that like, he's I guess too pathetic to
be able to rape somebody. Is is that the nerd defense?
I don't know, or just is.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
It this all just one great, big misunderstanding, folks. I mean,
he didn't know, he didn't hear, how.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
Was he to know?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Yeah? Yeah, I mean anything, He's real sorry about it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
He's too dopey to know what consent is or whatever.
So first off, they.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
He was confused, he came on her dress, so you know,
he's clearly not good at this, clearly.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
But they put Olivia on the stand first, and she's like, listen,
it's not that rare, that Abby texted Chris teenagers having
perfect judgment, and Lan's Buchanan's like, oh, you know, like
my teenager over here is a perfect judgment for like
kind of raping that girl.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
What yeah, And she says, like, you know, it's also
done unusual for a victim not to disclose right away,
so the fact that she waited four days doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
And teenage predators often prey unless assertive victims because they
see them as easier targets. Or whatever, which is like
extremely that is like very accurate to the beginning of
this episode, because clearly Chris and his friends are targeting
Abby because she's like shy and young and a virgin,

(01:31:15):
So like that is extremely true. Just like maybe Chris
wished that he could have done this with consent, but
like that was clearly wasn't a deal breaker for him,
so he kept going.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
Right, and it's live. I think it's also important to
note that, like it's not just for teenagers, that is
for everybody. Oh yeah, yeah, that's kind of how the
sexual predation works as you go for the weaker people.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
Liv also says again that local precincts aren't properly trained
in sexual assault, and the quiet part is like, and
rather train them, they just made a separate department.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Which in theory would be fine, I guess, but in
you know, if it's if you had a perfect handoff
system here, Yeah, doesn't seem to really work that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Way though, And then Abby takes the stand and Landsman crosses.

Speaker 1 (01:32:03):
Well, no, it's first, it's crazy because they do all
the cops first.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
Do they do all the cops first?

Speaker 1 (01:32:08):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Maybe this is during Yeah, I think you might be right.
Maybe this is during Olivia's testimony, but basically Buchanan calls
her a Cockt's right. He's like, uh, what if she
it seemed like she wanted it, but she didn't want it,
and they're like that's still rape, and it's like, but
what if she's sexy, if she's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:32):
I'm looking at my doors like coxy, because I feel
like if we're jump into her being a because before
she goes on the stands, we have the bathroom scene.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
Yes, you're You're totally right, You're totally right. This is
must be during Olivia's testimony. But Lansman like calls this
fifteen year old girl sexy in a weird way, which
is why I wrote it down because I'm like, hey,
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
Yeah, okay, hey man, don't Well he also is like,
well he does try to, like.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Oh, I don't know what I'm talking. Landsman is a
totally different character scratch every time Buchanan, played by Delaney Williams,
I am I am the one saying dobbs now.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Yeah, so haha, how do you like it bad? All
about that chet GPT wikipedia fucking headers will.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Urge me to my core clearly right, yeah, goes up.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
Chris goes up, and he basically is just like, yeah,
he lied, you know, he said nothing happened. And then
whenever we recovered semen, he was like, oh, well, you
know he's a liar, and uh you can't just like, boy,
is she a liar too? He's like yeah, I guess
they're all. Fuck. He's like, well, how do you know
which is lying? And he's like, are you saying that
your your client's a liar? Is like no, fuck no.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
He also says that the this Cherry Pickers clubs one
purpose is to deflower female students, and Chris was a failure.
And so now you're right now they're getting ready for
Abby to take the stand. She's in the bathroom. She's
like wiping makeup off.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
Freta Calhoun is like, got like one of those makeup
wipe things, and she's like, look, they're making him look
like Harry Potter. You can't look like a whore. Take
that fucking makeup off.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
And it's like she says, man, I'm gonna look like
a little girl.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Like that's what that's what we want.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Yeah, that was like the quiet part, right, it was
like that's what we want. And meanwhile Chris's mother.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
Uh, it's like, well, well well bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:34:34):
Yeah, And Olivia is like, immediately, you cannot be here,
you have to leave, and she's like, I will leave
right after. I scream at this girl, you're a fucking liar.
And as a woman cop, you're a fucking liar. You're
always taking a female side, and it's just because teenage
girls are better liars.

Speaker 1 (01:34:54):
Call the bailiff, call live, recall Live as a witness, like,
just well to put this at the wreck, uh right
before she came on, Just want to let everyone know
what she said in there, just to give you a
cottage to me, Yeah, yeah, so might seem relevant. So
perhaps whatever that boy's gonna say on the stand. Uh anyway,

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carry on, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
But me, but we don't do that. We just go
to commercial comeback. She's on the stand and I'm like, asked,
tell Barbara to ask her what just happened in the bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Yeah, it's important to get that on the record. I'd say,
I probably at the tiny bit rattled, perhaps.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Totally, and good for her recess. Yeah, good for her
for not being intimidated by that asshole. But she says
that he got aggressive and he said no, don't down there,
don't go down there. But she didn't say no, She
just said don't go down there. And Landsman was like,
did you mean the floor? What do you mean if

(01:35:53):
you didn't say no, how did How was he supposed
to know that you meant no? If you didn't say no,
you just said don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
He wasn't trying to finger the floor of your honor.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
But she says he came again, which is great. But
at this point I am interested because there isn't really
a plausible alternative to the story that she is presenting,
like why would what is what does she have to
gain by lying?

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
I here's I don't know, like the you know, the
I I don't really know, I actually come to think.
But it's not like, oh my god, she's gonna be
labeled a slut.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
That's so here. That would be like, you know, but
she's already happening right right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
But well then it's like, well, she's already being gold
aslet so the only way that she could say face
is by you know, like yeah, but by being like,
well it was against my will. So but that's not great.
I don't honestly, men, I don't know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
Really, but to me, that's that's the real smoking gun
of Buchanan has no case or else he'd be like, oh,
I'm presenting the alternative version of this is like you
and he were up for the same scholarship, and by
accusing him, you get the scholar you know, some other

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some fucking thing that would make any kind of sense
for her to lie about this. There is no reason
I you know, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
It if this man, like, you know, both both of
the parents kind of sucks, so maybe it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
I didn't Yeah, So this is the other thing he
could have done, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Like, did your parents put you up to this?

Speaker 2 (01:37:34):
Yeah? Right, Like it's okay, you don't have to lie anymore.
We know that this just got out of hand. You're
not gonna be in trouble for telling us the truth.
He doesn't actually say that, right, that's like another tactic
that if I believed that Landsman. Nope, that Buchanan d
believed that Chris was innocent, he would have done that
right Instead, with glee, he just like fucks with her

(01:37:57):
and he's like, were you aware of the dark rooms mutation?

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
Shut up? Oh? Was it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
Noisy? Is it possible that he was also overwhelmed? This
is a fog of warship, right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
And it's I'm just thinking about this, like, and it's
not as if her family is coded as uper religious
or there would have been a consequence if she came
home and said, like, hey, mom, I fucked some guy
tonight and she it's not like she would be out
on the street. So like, yeah, in terms of her
incentive to be like, no, it was.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Taylor Swift record. Is is what that means? Somehow?

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
I don't know If that's what it is, then there's
it's not on the screen at all. Yeah, sorry, but
like you ask me that question, it's like, yeah, I
mean there really isn't. And why, Like pretty much every
sexual assault, well not every sexual assault.

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
There's an alternative version of events, right.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Sure, but like you know, this is why it's the
the hashtag Believe Women. It's like, yeah, because what's.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
The what's the other side? Yeah, And so this is
also why I think that the episode is so concerned
with the conversation and the testimonies that they're like like,
the defense was really doing a bad fucking job.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
But well they did a good enough job. I guess
to story give him the same thing that he would
have gotten if he took a plea anyway, So I
guess you know who wins in this bu can't for
the billable hours.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
You can make her cry, which is also something he
jerks off to and as they leave the courtroom, Uh,
mister Abbey's dad who doesn't have a name, yells at Barbara,
you could have protected her more fucking what has he
supposed to tackle him?

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
I mean he should have. He should have objected when
when we went to the floor stuff. But other than that, well.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
It's also the classics yep, right, it's it's court on TV.
There is also the classic like whatever any of the
uh the lawyers do this move? I'm like, what the fuck?
Was like, let's be honest here do it all the
time where Buchanan would like say something that's like, isn't
it true that you're lying about being raped at the

(01:40:06):
objects withdrawn? It's like, no, no, no, that's not You
can't just like say. There's a period of time where
Buchanan is literally just there testifying, like yeah, let's saying anything.
He's like, so what if here's the question remarks? Yet
did this happen. It's dark. You go into the dark group,
you don't know what's happening. The music is loud, you
hear that house music.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
You gets the fucking he gets the fucking grand stand
with his alternative version of events, and it is nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
There's nothing there. It's just that like, yeah, you wanted it,
you really wanted it. You're just lying to us now.
Essentially that's his alternative version of events. It's like you
were confused, you didn't know that you wanted it, but here.

Speaker 2 (01:40:44):
Were basically yeah, and so uh read a Calhoun pulls
a live and it's like, mister Barbara won't let him
get away with that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:52):
Cool So now it's already it already happened. It happened.
I can't I can't take it back.

Speaker 2 (01:40:58):
So they put him on this day, they put Chris
on the stem.

Speaker 1 (01:41:01):
I can't wait. And I was like, why is he
on the stand if I'm bad?

Speaker 2 (01:41:05):
If they think you're winning.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Yeah, I'm like, my client is not going to testify.
He does not have to. This is a bad fucking idea.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
I'm telling you, this defense is an ineffective counsel. They're
doing a lot of shit shittily and they dress him
so stupid. They dress him in like a two thousand
and eight hipster work wear where it's like a gray
suit and a brown shirt and those stupid glasses. And

(01:41:33):
he says hair yeah, and he says, okay, I put
my fingers inside her. I finished early. She was giving
me mixed messages. She may have said, don't please, don't
do this, this is rape, but I thought that she
was like, I don't know, doing a bit, and if
she was upset, I couldn't tell. And whoopsighlights of the

(01:41:53):
cops and my friends. But you should believe me now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:56):
Yeah, I just want to take this time to apologize
to my family for everything and I've done to them,
And I want to take this moment to apologize to
her family. Hi, everyone, I'm real sorry that this happened.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
He looks animatronic at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Yeah, like and the like it's they literally seem to
have rehearsed it to the point that like Buchanan is
specifically standing in a certain and then he like moves
to another and that's when he like the kid understands
because then he like turns to the jury Totally, I'm
supposed to be looking at the jury when I say
this next part, and then Buchanan moves again, and he

(01:42:29):
moves back over here and is now looking at her family,
being like, I also want to apologize to them. It's
literally he might as well be reading off a prompter.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
And this is one of the most effective parts of
the episode because of that, because of how rehearsed it looks.
And yes, they fucking fall for this shit. And he goes,
if I have set her, I'm sorry. This club is
disrespectful to girls. And I was just trying to fit in.
And I know now that mixing dating and alcohol is
a recipe for disaster and and it ruins I think

(01:42:59):
on her any sense of remorse that he was showing
in previous scenes that let us, uh, the audience feel
kind of the gray.

Speaker 1 (01:43:13):
Yeah, here's the thing. If if he seemed like he
was doing it, but like if he did it a
little less robotic frankly, because like he was it being forced. Well,
if he did it in a way but like he
was saying it, but at some point that we could
get the feeling that, like he didn't want to be
doing this, because he didn't seem like he didn't want
to he was just like annoyed that he.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Had to Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and he the door
he leaves open as well. She she probably thinks she
was raped. Like I feel for her because like she
probably thinks that happened. And Barber's like, what does that
tell you? He's really tuning this kid up. He he he,
he puts the puts the hurt on him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Right. It's like, so did uh did she ever? Did
she ever say yes? What I didn't hear? No? It's like, no, no, no,
did she say yes? Did you ever hear the word yes?
He's like, well no, He's like, we must I cannot
emphasize this enough just because you didn't hear.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
No, fuck yes or no?

Speaker 1 (01:44:15):
Buddy? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
And and then we hard cut to Barbara sitting on
his couch in his office, rocking and eating crumbs of
a coffee cake with his hands. And this took a
lot out of him, man.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
And Live comes and he's like, I just wanted to
say thank you for doing your job.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
He's like, why we got fucked in there?

Speaker 1 (01:44:35):
It lives like, yeah, but you really beat the fuck
out of that kid. So even if we lose, that
kid will forever be on YouTube with this testimony.

Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and she says the world is changing,
we need new rules. This is the p s A
about affirmative consent in California, and I'm expecting a classic
no verdict episode. We find the defendant cut to black.
That's not what we get at all.

Speaker 1 (01:44:57):
No, here's like whenever he was charged with three counts,
I'm like, oh, it's gonna be a classic. He's they're
not gonna get the top count. Yeah, they'll probably get
the bottom count or the bottom two. Something I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
I didn't even notice that he was charged with three counts.
So this the things that we notice. I noticed faces
looking at me. You notice things like that involve the plot.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Yeah, details of the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:45:17):
As exactly as Matt predicted. Not guilty for sexual misconduct,
not guilty for anything except for.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Rape and like forcible or something like that. And then yeah,
sexual misconduct.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
Very clearly, he should have taken the plea. But this mother,
who has gotten no come up and whatsoever, screams at
Olivia again, look what you've done to my son, or
maybe it's at the girl. I don't know. There's a
lot of screaming and Abby's I think that the.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
Parents are going at each other and this the cops
then start getting in the way to break them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
Up, and and Abby yells to Chris, I'm sorry, and
I'm like, Abby stop, and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Then and then Abby's mama yells at her like, don't
say you're sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Yeah, and everyone's just making faces. And then Abby's mom
grabs her and they literally full sprint run out of
the court.

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Yeah. And then Buchanan meanwhile walks to like the other
side of the court. Whatever you're found guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:46:19):
He's like, I'm buying a maserati off of this one.

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
But he's like, he's he's guilty. He's not going to
jail or is he now?

Speaker 2 (01:46:26):
Maybe maybe the jail time.

Speaker 1 (01:46:29):
Yeah, right, but I guess he's still convicted. So he's
got to go gotta go get book, he's got to
go register on for the the sex offeder registry. I get, like,
I guess he's got to go do some legal stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
So that's and that's that's that's such a well, that's
our episode lot On r SPU season seventeen, episode eleven,
a misunderstanding from Trivia Corner. There seemed to be consensus
among the detectives in the DA's office that Chris was
guilty of a misdemeanor sexual assault, but that he also
he that he also both he well that but up

(01:47:03):
call the hospital, but that also both he and Abbey
showed poor judgment, and that Chris was a non violent
offender and not a sexual predator and didn't belong on
the sex offender registry. Yet in most states, being convicted
of sexual misconduct or sexual abuse requires a person to
be put on the sex offender registry for a minimum

(01:47:24):
of twenty years. The debate over whether a person is
guilty of a minor sex offense belongs on the registry
along with the violent sexual predators, happens frequently in real life,
which is why, as of September twenty twenty, a few
states of past legislation that gives judges discretion as to
whether or not a defendant is required to register as

(01:47:45):
a sex offender for certain crimes, and other states are
looking at drafting similar legislation, one example being California's Bill
SB one five, which gives judges discretion as to whether
a defendant is required to register as a sex offender
instead of requiring registry based solely on the sex act performed.

Speaker 1 (01:48:05):
All Right I mean, I guess I've never opposed to
having more common, more nuanced into something. I don't do
it like, is he of, here's the thing this kid
gets to Stanford, it's going further like you know, like.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Yeah, yeah, that he's been programmed to deny, deny, deny.

Speaker 1 (01:48:26):
Right, Like I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
I don't though.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Well not anymore, but you know what I mean where
it's like if I don't know if he's doing this now.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Yeah, they would rais escalate for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Sure. So it's like that's like part of me is like,
I don't know. He's got some you know, he's got
the pushing rapist where he's like out on the prowl,
but he's like, you know, one day he's a watcher
drink rapist, which is also not good. They both, you know,
fuck them both.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
And I'm definitely not advocating for no intervention whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Right, So it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:49:02):
Another piece Chevy corner. This is loosely based on the
Owen Library case in New Hampshire. Whose Owen Library, I'm
glad you asked. He was a Stanford swimmer accused of
sexual assault. Is a quote senior salute, which is a
I don't know like the thing, the thing that happened

(01:49:22):
in this episode, or cherry picking club, Yeah, the cherry
picking club. And this was one of the cases of
he was found not guilty of felony sexual assault because
he pled affluenza. Oh remember this, fucking.

Speaker 1 (01:49:41):
Yes, I do now, fucking Mexico.

Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
I'm pretty sure he did. I'm on something from the
when he was found not guilty, which is August of
twenty fifteen. Obviously, when they're you know, writing and doing
these episodes. Do I know if he was released from
jail in twenty nineteen, I guess he was found guilty

(01:50:07):
for something because he was released in jail. From jail
in twenty nineteen, I guess he did something else. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
That sounds about right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:16):
Convicted. He was convicted of assault at nineteen, of assaulting
a fifteen year old. He was convicted. I guess maybe
they argued affleens and it didn't work. But he was
released from jail in twenty nineteen and he was acquitted
of rape but found guilty of misdemeanor sexual assault charges
and endangering a child's welfare. So very similar to this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:50:40):
So again, so is that keep going to jail now?

Speaker 2 (01:50:44):
Potentially if it's if it's based on this fucking guy,
then yes, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:50:49):
Well I mean good, they didn't do a good job
of making that clear.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Certainly not. I guess. I guess we don't see sentencing
in this well.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Again because I think it's because Barbara says like, if
we go to trial, he's facing jail time. But I'm like, oh,
I would assume which on the top two counts not
the exact same one that you're offering him right now.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
Yeah, that that is a bit unclear in this episode
for sure. But that's our episode for this week, Law
and Order SVU. Oh wait, now I forgot to use
your use a review corner from user review corner. Here
we go from this is just from Melanie Dash seven
three five to two from July twenty fifth, twenty twenty one.

(01:51:31):
Nine out of ten stars wish his daughter would have
a misunderstanding. The defense attorney often attacks Yeah, yeah, yeah,
that's why I was like.

Speaker 1 (01:51:40):
Why do we wish the things that were like, well,
this is bad, I wish this upon my enemy.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
No, the defense attorney often attacks the women in these episodes.
It seems since it's fiction. I've kind of wished one
or more of these situations would hit his own home
to see if he considers it okay or a misunderstanding,
then because he has a horny daughter or whatever, my
daughter also horny. There's one review specifically about him saying

(01:52:12):
withdrawn all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:13):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
The big defense attorney objecting for badgering is too much
hypocrisy to take. That's all he ever does. That's all
the lawyers in the show ever do in court. But
now they've taken it too far. Lawyers aren't even supposed
to enter the box. The show is not doing anything
to help anyone, making court into something scary than it
really is. Fifteen times raphae ol Barbara objects that the

(01:52:36):
defense needs to ask a question, and then all Barbara
does is give a speech himself in what was supposed
to be a cross examination. These cheap writers just don't
care about the law anymore. It is just constant badgering
of witnesses. The last straw is the big ugly defense
lawyer all in the victims and viewers' faces, acting like

(01:52:57):
he's impatiently waiting for an answer, even though he's just
said withdraw on there. They aren't even trying to make
the courtroom stuff make sense anymore. Just stop with the
overused withdrawn thing too. This episode, this show should be
withdrawn three out of ten stars. That's from Abothius from
October third, twenty twenty three. Lastly, but not leastly, this

(01:53:20):
is from that same side of the aisle from kileak
dash One from August twenty third, twenty twenty two out
of ten stars. Disappointing, he said, She said, it is
so out of date and such a shallow storyline, regardless
of the outcome of the trial. What about highlighting that
the boy and girl are both victims of the behavior

(01:53:42):
of their friends who encourage this and the culture surrounding
those students.

Speaker 1 (01:53:48):
All right, blame society for the rape.

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
I mean we are blaming the system a little bit,
but not in this, not in this, not just that
level they were bullied into raping each other. Is not
the flex you think it is.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
Put society on the stand.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
I called to the I called to the witness stand.
Society Boom boom boom. And that's our episode for this week.
Law and Order SVU Season seventeen, Episode twelve, entitled a Misunderstanding.
If you agree or disagree with us the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:18):
Way you say it really makes a huge difference.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
Yes, what happened to this week's If you agree or
disagree with us, if you think that society should be
put on the stand, let us know. We're an SVU
podcast on Blue Sky, which is the official Blue Sky
of society.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
You can take that to the Bank, the Blood bank
s editor and for longer or weirder stuff, send us
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Special viewing units trudelegmail dot com.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
And tune in next week when we view and review
and lovingly maybe ridicule Law and Order SVU Season seventeen,
Episode thirteen, entitled forty one Witnesses.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Oh, for fuck's sake, the Woman.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
A woman is sexually assaulted by a group of teens
outside an apartment building. Oh good, we're doing Kitty Geneviez
again again. That's like the first fucking episode. SPU tries
to build a case against her aggressors, but none of
the dozens of potential witnesses who saw the attack are
willing to come forward. This is literally just Kitty Genevieve's.

(01:55:22):
But returning to the show, we've got oh boy, uh
da v Diggs as counselor Henderson.

Speaker 1 (01:55:33):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
And because all, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:55:37):
So, who do you think Leslie odom Junr wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:55:41):
Anthony Ramos really, Anthony Ramo says a character named Juan
it was, and someone named Patrick Breen. This is only
notable because I went to school with a guy named
Patrick Breen and he's a great guy. Different, different, different
guy though, And uh until then, until next time, I

(01:56:03):
wasn't nowhere. Sorry for Clawed Order special view, you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
I'm a Vive Rubinstein and I'm Matt Reuter. We will
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