Episode 380 - S17E14 - Nationwide Manhunt - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Law
and Order, a special Viewing Unit, the show where we
view review and a lovingly brine cule everyone's favorite cop drama,
Law and Order Special Victims Unit, every episode in a
row from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
So you don't have to watch this or Chicago PD.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
I am your host, Matt Reuter, joining me as always,
the broadwind Freed of this podcast. WHOA, that's a vver
beside over there. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
A ev I have a baby and all of a sudden,
I can't talk to serial killers anymore.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Who would have thought? But what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
What does that mean? That's a great question.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
I I I it doesn't. I I'm this. I. I
have a real hard time with this week's episode.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
It's funny, I meant.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It's uh, it's they're really really trying to make this
so much more than it actually is, like the pomp
and circumstance, but it's like no, like just I.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Agree, you're you're SVU.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Guys like you're not, You're This isn't Silence of the
Lambs as much as you're really trying to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And that also shak redemption, right like so much of it.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Ro'm like, just stick stick to your fucking lane here,
just deal with the sex crimes and not the like
even you guys can't even do that, right, And.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
I blame the Chicago the Chicago ends.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Sure, is Finn even in this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
No, but he's in the next one, like he's in
the crossover one.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
There's another crossover one.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
So obviously the Greg, the saga of Gregyates has.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Not well, I assume he's going back to Chicago.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, what with the ending? Correct? And so the
the Greg Yates finale is a Chicago finale, and so,
uh you know, it's uh what we on this podcast
will never find that out because we're not gonna watch
that show.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
But Yates, We're We're done with Yates. We're done with
this now, right.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
We are done with Yates officially after we talked about
this episode. Yes, okay, good.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
I it doesn't like having this is This show started
out obviously as a kind of is but I guess
not really anymore like a police procedural. It's it's the
equivalent of a of a Monster of the Week. It's
a case of the week thing. This long ranging there's

(02:36):
this guy the William Lewis is not a or the
no he's he's not. And I like that actor, but
this character, I'm just like, who gives a shit? Honestly,
you got him? Great, what you know what, let's fucking
let Chicago come and question him.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Like they tried that, and you know what, he would
only talk to Amanda Rollins, who has apparently just given
birth to his demon seed.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Well. I also like, no one gave a shit about
these missing persons on the mask. Why is it that
they all of a sudden a like, oh, it would
be really great. It's like this, these cases have been
they're bones at this point, so they've been missing for
a while.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I like, my favorite part of this episode is them
showing Yates just a bunch of pictures of bones and
they're like, do you recognize these people? And He's like,
these are bones. They're bones.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
They were coldes, they were bones.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Like what do we why?

Speaker 1 (03:42):
What are we doing? What the fuck are we doing here? What? Seriously?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Lones has a special relationship with Yates and Carresi has
a special relationship with Rudnik.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Which was that previously established.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
It was I remembered while watching this episode, remember that
they had that road trip, right, and then later on
the episode, creases like I'm actually starting to miss the guy, right.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I I took that as sarcasm, not.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Actually apparently not apparently Carese is incapable of sarcasm.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
I fucking we saw him.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
We saw him duke sarcasm last week and it wasn't
very good.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Right, And that's where I forgot about the uh the bacon.
The bacon came from.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
That's when I remember that they have like the suppoor.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
It's just it's fucking insufferable. I'm just I'm glad. Well,
I mean, Rudnick's not dead. I guess so, though Careesy
turns his back on him.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
I hope. I'm I'm like, pretty I'm hoping that Dodds
is dead. We got an email.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
No, it's we've got plenty, We've got too many. We
know how many episodes he's in.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we but we got an email last
week being like, you know what happens to Dodds? Right,
and and I mean I didn't, but uh, well.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
He doesn't appear to be he he's he doesn't seem
to be that injured, to be honest, It's not like
one of those like oh, there's the explosion and Stabler
has been like blown up again, right, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
So yeah, Dodds. Dodds is in it till the end
of the season, right.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So I'm assuming he's just gonna get gunned down in an.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Unrelated as soon as he as soon as he uh
like got like got hit and made his like lemon
face that he makes. I was like, this sucks. I
hate this guy.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I I don't care for any of this. But how
how are you doing? This week of Eve again? Peep
behind the curtain? Guys get again? Yeah, back to back night,
so not a lot. I'm guessing between now and the
well apparently, what tell me all about how are you doing?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I'm doing fine. I am doing fine. I watched Rubs
I recommends but the Conjuring. I watched The Conjuring today.
Have you never seen No? I had not seen it.
I'm a big bit of a scary cat. I did
like it, Yes, I liked it quite a bit. And
like weird, It's like weirdly messy. It's like you like

(06:07):
see this livings Ron Livingston and his family get haunted
and then you like have this whole other storyline of
like the bad shit that happened to Ed and Lorraine
Warren that you like, really never actually find out what
it was.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Well ironical because they're con artists, so nothing actually happened
to them.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
But oh sure, oh nothing is the.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Is the answer. It's that's why they couldn't come up there.
They really couldn't put their finger on it. If you
liked the Conjuring, I have another movie that is similar.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm researching haunted house movies. I gotta watch a bunch
of haunted house movies. So tomorrow I'm watching The Nighthouse,
which I can never remember the name of, and so
I just keep calling it The Woman in the House.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Which was The Nighthouse.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's got Rebecca Hall in it. He came out in
twenty twenty, was recommended. Here's my there's my sure.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
I saw that.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
One list is The Woman in Black, which I watched
and talked about last week, Conjuring Night House fourteen oh
eight Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, and His House,
which is a Netflix movie and Ouiji.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So does it have to be a house specifically.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
No, I just gotta look at hauntings, hauntings things.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I would check out. Veronica think of it like the Conjuring,
but in Spanish ola.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
So that's a that's quite a good one from twenty seventeen.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
That sounds right, Yeah, yeah, I would recommend.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
That it's on Netflix. So I gotta I'm taking notes
on like set pieces, like different types of scares and
how many times you can do a like a leg
pole in a movie. Turns out the Conjuring three times,
three times leg pole. So it's just read. It's just read.
I like pages of notes being like fake scare at

(07:57):
thirty one minutes.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's like the mister Skin of Scares.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Yeah, yeah, I thought I think I had something else
to talk about, and now I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
So it's just you recommending a fifteen year old movie. Well, listen,
it is a twelve year old movie. Okay, it's a
good one though, Yeah, it really really is.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Conjuring's good. Vera Pharmaca is good, Patrick Will's is good.
Ron Livingston's considering taking a part as Goofy.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
It's got I So are you is it limited simply
to movies or are you looking perhaps mini series as well?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Anything you want? Lay it on me. Also, listeners, by
the time you hear this, none of this will be
relevant to so please don't, please, don't recommend anything.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
I would also suggest Haunting of Hillhouse.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Yes, yeah that is, that is on my list just
because everyone loves it.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yes, it's very very good. I did not watch the
Haunting of Black Manner, but that, yeah, I heard, was
also good, but not as good.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
I turned in. I got notes on my my Haunted
House movie on your treatment, and it was like no,
no on the on the script, on the draft, and
and it was referred to as diet scary, and so
I need to make it full sugar scary. Oh all right,
And I kind of came up with some good ideas
cross spaces and whatnots.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah that's uh, that's good.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah what that? Yeah, well, crawl space, a little light
bulb exploding, which happens in the Conjuring at minute forty one.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
So you just want to rip off everything so.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
Everything from everyone can be mad? Yeah, no mad? Yeah, yes,
I was just like a structurally yeah. So how's your
week been, Matt? You came in hot to record?

Speaker 1 (09:44):
I I did, was a bit pressed for time. Lots
lots happening, uh, and and by that I mean so
we got a a thing in the mail from Seattle
Light Electric. Cassie and I we got a note in

(10:04):
the mail a week or so ago advising us that
Seattle Light the electric provider in the Greater Seattle area.
It's like, we've got routine maintenance that's being performed, and
that maintenance requires us to kill the power I guess
into a certain area so they can do work on
the lines and the whatnot. So they're like, okay, it
was supposed to be today starting at nine o'clock for

(10:27):
four hours. So I had made plans. It's like, okay,
I can't obviously if I don't have power, I don't
have internet, so I have to go somewhere to work.
And Cassie the same. So we were like figuring out
a whole thing of what we were going to do,
where we're going and such. So we're getting ready to leave.
Nine o'clock comes and goes, and the power doesn't go out.

(10:49):
So we're like, okay, well let's keep basically just let's
just keep working and then once the power goes out,
then we'll hop in.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
The car and go to the clock sharp of SVU right.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Or Yeah, we were gonna go to the coffee shop
and and work. Cassie had a dentist appointment. So it's like, oh, great,
you know we're already gonna be down to it. We
can go down work from that area and then just
go over for your god disappointment.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Uh, the power never went out, so it's.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Like, why why did you do? It? Just goes in
the middle of recording.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
That's kind of what I'm worried about. So like if
halfway through, all of a sudden, I just you just
lose me, It's like, that's what happened. So I mean, yay,
I guess, but it was I was just very much like,
what the fuck was this?

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Like you inconvenienced me by not inconveniencing me.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Right, something something like that, but something else. So this
is actually gonna dovetail. So I said, we jump into
the mail bank here because there's something else going on
that we must.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Started. We started recording late, so this cuts into your
Blake Lively time.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, that's why I'm cutting down on my Here's what's
going on this week because nothing nothing's going on.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
And we haven't email from.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yes from the Gomail Peggyan Rutes Lively v. Beldoni, Hi,
Matt Avive House, Matt doing with the most recent development
in the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case. He's already
seen the news haha, and to a People magazine article
about the whole Blake and Justin Baldoni case.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay, So the headline of the article is Justin Baldoni's
lawyer breaks silence on Blake Lively's false victory after his
lawsuit is dismissed. So even the headline is more complicated
than than I care about.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
Right, So a couple days ago, again, we're recording this
on June.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, this is absolutely not going to be relevant of July.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I think this is when this is coming out.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
So yeah, July twenty eighth is when this episode, right,
So I was.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Not happy with the news. So the the judge in
the case dismissed the defamation.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
High listeners of even the present here. As Matt just mentioned,
this was recorded about Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni over
six weeks ago, and even then no one really cares.
So I wanted to take the time to tell you
about a film fundraiser that I'm doing. I am a

(13:27):
part of a found footage film project called Final Transmissions.
It's like the Twilight zone but found footage horror. My
wife LeeAnne and I are doing an episode called The
Camera Loves You and we're currently crowdfunding it, which I
know everyone hates, but we're to have to do it anyway,
and we're on Indiegogo. Just search for final transmissions. There's

(13:49):
also going to be a link to our Indiegogo in
the show notes for this week. Our campaign ends on Wednesday,
I believe, so you only have like two days after
you after this episode drops to continue to donate, So
please consider kicking in a couple bucks. You can if
you have a bunch of extra bucks to kick in,

(14:12):
you can even be in the episode. You can promote
your your product in the episode. It's all kind of that.
We have all kinds of really cool stuff. We even
have a role playing tabletop roleplaying game that we do.
So yeah, please look at Indiegogo for final transmissions and
check the link in the show notes back to the show.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
But that's that's all the good mail. That's fits a
good mail. But apparently we have some blue sky.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
You say we have a blue sky. So today is
June eleventh, twenty twenty five, and it is marked by
the death of Beach Boys frontman Brian Wilson, who had
a very strange life and who had battled with drugs
and mental health issues. And I saw him in concert

(15:00):
a few years ago with my with my wife, friend
of the show, leano'she friend of the pod. But Fulberto
writes in and says, gonna need you to talk about
this on the next mail bag. So I'm flagging you here.
And it's a quote from Bruh. It's like a an
interview with Brian Wilson from like twenty I don't know.

(15:22):
Hang on, I'll find out when it is.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
How old was he when he thought he was eighty something?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Eighty two?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I think he had a good run.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Yeah, I suppose so or a run, a lengthy run
he had. He had. There were ups and downs.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
It was a mixed bag.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
His his manager and also doctor Eugene landy H stole
all of his money and basically kept him bed ridden
for several years and had himself listed as writer and
producer of some Beach Boys records to boot. But in
the Asbury Park Press in two thousand and seven, Brian

(16:05):
Wilson gave an interview and I'll here's the Q and
the A question, have you seen any good movies lately. Answer, well,
I've only seen one in the last couple of years,
and it's called Norbit by Eddie Murphy. How did you
like it? Is the q A. Brian Wilson says, fantastic movie,

(16:28):
very funny question. What's your favorite movie? Answer Norbit?

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Is it the only movie you've ever seen?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, well, I'm sure you've seen some movies, but yeah,
Brian Wilson called Norbit his favorite movie in two thousand
and seven. Norbit, by the way, came out in two
thousand and seven.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, what an interesting pick.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, it's crazy right, all right, So that's all. That's all.
That's all I got. If you want to see a
really good representation of Brian Wilson, watched the movie Love
and Mercy, where he is played by both the young
version of Brian Wilson's played by Paul Dano and the
old version is played by John Cusack And just like

(17:15):
skip skip to John Cusack parts. But the Paul dan
I mean, it's just not I think Cusack like directed
it too. It's just not as good. But you know,
Paul Dana was amazing. Cusack did not direct it. Uh.
Bill Pohlad directed it Bill Pollad, who also directed Wait,

(17:37):
he did not direct The Tree of Life. That's not possible.
That was Terris Back. He directed a movie called Dream
and Wild that I've never heard of, and a movie
called Oh With It's a musical duo played by Walton

(17:59):
Goggins and and Casey Affleck fucking cursed?

Speaker 1 (18:04):
What year is this two?

Speaker 2 (18:09):
And and Casey Affleck's love interest is played by Zoey Deschanel.
What an absolutely crazy bow bridges in it? Of course,
like you would.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
Of course everyone everyone knows.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah. And Bill Pohlad has only directed one other movie
called Old Explorers, which is two senior citizens while away
the twilight of their lives, recreating world explorations and adventures,
starring Jose Ferrer George Clooney's uncle.

Speaker 1 (18:43):
I was gonna say, so, it's like a shittier version
of the bucket List.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I suppose so slash Bubba Hotep. Sure, yeah, so yeah,
uh not? We love Mercy? Was okay? Just skip to
John Cusack parts. The Paul Dampires are really good.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
It'll it'll shorten the movie.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, it's two hours and one minute. But if you,
if you, if you take my advice, I think it's
like slim sixty four minutes.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
There you go doesn't even qualify as a feature length.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
So yeah, that's that's all. The mail bag is fitial
mail bag. As always, you can get at us. We're
at SVU podcast on Blue Sky, the official Blue Sky
of Norbit.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Oh, there you go. I will take that to the
bank of the blood Bag editor and for longer or
weirder things or tweetsize emo send us an email special
viewing unit. What is it, spider.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Monkey spider monkeymail dot com. There you go, There you go.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
And now that that's out of the way, onto the
main event where we're going to be viewing in reviewing
Season seventeen, episode fourteen of SVU entitled Nationwide Man Hunts.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Right after this, Leean just went because there was a
ladybug in the lettuce.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
You ever tell you about the time that I was
out at a restaurant when I was in a college.
I think I put post graduation, but I'm still living
in Pittsburgh, And I went to like one of my
local haunts, and I got a a salad was a
spring green salad with some meat on some variety. And
I'm sitting there and I'm eating and I go and
I take a big bite and I look down at
my salad and a gigantic grasshopper covered in dressing. So

(20:23):
that means it, well, they're edible, right, comes crawling out
of my salad.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh, and that's why I stay away from salads.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
So that was a that was a free, free night
at the restaurant for me.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah, we we had not a similar experience, but we
had an experience at the sushi place that was down
the street from our old apartment. And there was just
like a ton of ants everywhere, and and they were
they were on the floor and then they were crawling
on Leanne. And she just like we lived like just

(20:58):
a block away, and so she ran full sprint out
of the restaurant and to our home and I was like,
we'll take this to go and then and then came
home and our like bathroom faced the driveway, so like
I could talk to like like I could look into

(21:19):
the shower and just see someone's like head, and so
we had a conversation what with her shower. She like
immediately ran into the shower and was like, I think
we died and went to hell. I think this is
the bad place.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, And that was at your current place that there
was the ant problem where Aland was like, oh no,
there's su that.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I was like, no, no, no, they're back. No no,
there Their back refers to running out of the sushi
resta right, they came to our apartment and that's where
they were back.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
They found me. I don't know how they found the Libyans.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
The Libyans.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
We're back and as we said, for the break, we're
gonna be viewing a reviewing season seven seed, episode fourteen
of SVU and sidled nationwide. Man hut uh. Just remind
us to listeners, you know what, just live your life.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
This episode is dumb as dog shit.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Watched the episode, but don't watch the episode if you must. Ever,
apparently again you said that this is one that people
have been Yeah, it's like are we are we taking
crazy pills? It's not that good. It's not that good.
In fact, it's it's pretty bad, pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
It has an eight point two average on IMDb.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
What the fuck is happening in the crazy? Right? Is
that's gotta be one of the highest rated episodes of
sv You I would.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Think, uh, it's pretty up there.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Jesus Chris. Anyway, so watch the episode don't available on
Hulu and Peak up. But before we get into breaking
down the episode, in the greatest tradition that we have
on this podcast, to me, you're gonna en us by
the ninety second recap of what happened on this week's episode.
So I V we're gonna put ninety seconds on the clock.
Why don't you tell us what the fuckpen of this
week's episode of Best for You?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Okay, you guys, that's a lot of pasta sauce. Bronwyn
Freed Wilkins is baking like ceramic knives into big lasagnas
because she is sneaking them. She's she's in love no
longer with William Lewis because he's dead at Olivia's hand,

(23:26):
but now in love with Carl Rudnick. She works at
the prison, which is bad, and she's like, she's like
the uh, the EMP. She's like the group she's running
a group therapy thing or something I don't know. And
and meanwhile Greg Yates is like, ah, I may have

(23:50):
killed more people and I would love to deliver that
information in exchange for being transferred over to a part
of the prison called Honor Block or something, which and
what okay, And so he wants to be like Rudnick's
neighbor because he knows Rudnick's about to try to escape

(24:13):
with the tools that Bronwyn read Freed Wilkins baked into
the lasagna, they do escape Shawshank redemption style and then
they like cartoonishly snap dudes. Next we're gonna talk a
little bit about that. But they're on the run and uh,
and it's they seem to be joker esquely sort of

(24:38):
getting rid of the people that no longer serve them.
So first it's the dudes that help them escape, they
snap their Next, then it's Bronwyn Freed Wilkins, who is
in the trunk of some random car. And then it's
Carl Rednick himself, who is holed up in a boat
like the fucking Boston bomber right stabbed, and and they're up.

(25:01):
The Statees are gonna fucking light it up and increase.
He's like, no, I know the guy, please please let
me just talk to him, and uh turns out Yates
is on his own. He steals a cops gun, he
kills a couple of cops, steals a cops gun, and
uh takes a shot at Dodds, who he connects with,

(25:24):
takes down Dodds, hopefully forever. And meanwhile, this entire time,
Detective Aaron Lindsay and detective who gives a shit is
in from Chicago p D. And Aaron Lindsay finds a
note in a dead man's mouth that says, see you
back home. Detective Lindsey, Aaron Dick.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, they really. It's it's a lot of procedure, which
again I hy procedure, right, but it hasn't been a
procedural procedural in yeah, quite some time. It's like it's
been more of a soap opera frankly, I mean this
one is also soap opera. Yes, it's that too, but

(26:11):
there's actual more like, okay, it's sorry. We open in
just a disaster of an apartment, just just fucking disgusting,
and we find out that she's married, like so the
other so the husband is just fine.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
With didn't she marry William Lewis? No, I thought that
she did. No, she helped get him out that too.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
I don't know how. I don't remember how, honestly.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
So, yeah, so she's bacon some lasagnya. We've got dramatic
music and she hides a lot of money and also
what looks like a ceramic serrated two ceramic serrated knives into.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
And like a cell phone.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah right right, yes, into the lasagna that's already been baked.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Right, so she's like picking up the layers and putting
it in. And she's got two she's got two baking.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Tears to lass this this this is extremely relevant. And
then we go to Yates. We got an SVU, but
we have word that Yates is claiming that some of
the bones that were picked up in the in the
marshes or whatever when they when they found all those

(27:30):
bodies might be from runaway Midwestern girls. And send me
your most fuckable detective.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
I don't get this where it's like okay, so and
the fucking gravelly voice vo is.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Like, Jason bahee, Yeah, we.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Have some fucking missing persons that could fit that.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
It's like, what the fuck like could Okay? That's that's
this is not so right. So what Yates is doing
is say is is giving the cops a sliver of
hope in exchange for being transferred so that he can escape,
because he knows Rodnick's about to escape. Why the cops

(28:14):
fall for this, who the fuck not just NYPD but
also Chicago PD is beyond me. But this whole scene
takes place in a phone call between Olivia and uh
Voi Hank Void, and it is like a terrible scene.
It's just two people not actually on the phone with

(28:36):
each other, and it's.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Not even like there's it's exposition dump. I do kind
of like the way the episode is segmented, where it
kind of from here on out. It starts with like
the news broadcast, like, here's the right, that's kind of.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Interesting, that's cool, it's cool. I do think that they
spent that the the Brownstone and that the townhouse incident
I think was like a much cheaper episode, and they
did it so that they could spend a lot of
money on this. This episode is very expensive.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, well, I mean you're also you're bringing in it's
more of the crossover, so you're bringing even more yeah
cast to you got to pay them.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
And yeah, and and locate.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
So many extras and locations.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
Only wants to talk to Amanda Rollins And the problem
is there actually is no there's no problem.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
There's a problem only because Live says there's a problem.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Voy is like, oh, because she's still on maternity, which
like even then, like Ciraco wants to talk to you,
you come back a little early, and Olivia's like, no,
she's back. I just like don't want her there.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
And it's stuff really established.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
Why no, she's just being an asshole, because it's.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Not as if like Rollins is constantly doing like playing
in some sort of a trap. They're like, well, he's
got your number.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
It's like, but what Olivia somehow knows that he's manipulating her,
which he absolutely does later, which.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
At this point it's like every time you deal with
this guy, he manipulates, not just relic everyone. Just if
he says like, well I've got information, you'd be like,
I'll bet you do. Hey, you know what sbu work
fucking harder, do your goddamn job. Maybe, and we wouldn't
be in this position. What a fucking concept.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Because Rollins doesn't is incapacitated in some way. Voight sends
out Detective Aaron Lindsay, his most fuckable detective and also
daughter somehow and related, and Detective Silva, who we keep
forgetting is a person.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Does he has lines in this episode.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Though he's barely he's barely alive. He's played by Ron
Into Jesus and I don't I don't fucking know, man.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Anytime he talks, you just hear like a breeze going through.
It's like, what did you hear?

Speaker 2 (31:10):
That? Was?

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It? Is there? Someone there?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Is?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
What's happening? Have Finn in this episode? But you bring
that guy in?

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Why? Guy Finn can say the.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Same lines and accomplished the exact same thing, but he'll
do it with more presence, you know, like he's this
guy is like a fucking chair. He's like a piece
of set dressing, Like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
It's he is such a piece of set dressing that
I actually am not certain that it's Robin the Robin
to Jesus might be m I think that he might not.
That's not the guy like that.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
He that and is this highlights the problem?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I think Robin to Jesus plays Red nick Sell me,
who the fuck is this other guy? And why has
Robin to Jesus been on SVU so many times? He's
he's the same guy five times, this being the last
time we've seen that the cellmate five times four times before,

(32:16):
the same character. Yeah, who's the who's the well I'm
sure it's the other guy.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
It would say Detective something or other, wouldn't it. Uh
uh on the cast list for the character.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Name Antonio Dawson. Is that who it is? Yeah, it's
this guy John Seda who plays Antonio Dawson, who is
not even the same ethnicity as the guy I thought
he was.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Well, you also do have the whole face blindness thing, so.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
I don't know, but I don't have race blindness.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
It's face blindness, not race blindness.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Get it right, Get it right.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
So it's this dramatic thing where it's like we see
Detective Lindsay and the fucking.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Wait, but this is a different guy. This is the dip. Wait,
who's the other guy?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
So this is exactly we are talking so much about
how he doesn't matter, but spending this amount of time
talking about who is he really.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Because because he's not the guy that they sent before.
The the guy that they sent before is Jay Halstead,
who just didn't get sent this time. It's a new
guy that I thought was at the same time, Jay Halstead,
who we've seen a bunch before, and Robin to Jesus,
who we've also seen a bunch before, who are two
different characters. Who the fuck is this guy? Who is

(33:39):
this guy?

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You know here? It must be if if you're watching
Chicago p D.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Maybe man know who he is.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
He's so something.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
It's funny because this guy John Seta also is in
a movie that a friend of mine produced that is bad,
so bad, well called Canal Street and uh it's he's
the fourth Bills John Seta, Who the fuck is this guy?
I've never seen this guy before my life.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I don't know that guy. So that guy's here.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
So he's here, don't worry. He contributes next to nothing.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I don't think he says anything. Basically, he does.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
At some point in time. It's kind of an exposition
dump of like we could wait here.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
Until we'll go up this highway.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Oh, it's whatever, Like the drone thing happens because they're
like anyone. He's like, well, we could just wait here
until they get back. If that's basically the extent of.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Are those drones like in Ohio? What the fuck does
that mean?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
We'll get to it. It's it's pretty tough.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
So okay, Aaron Lindsay She's in a cab on her
way to SVU and I'm super duper glad that we
flash back to her like life with Nadia Dakotas, and
like headshots of Nadia Dakotas to to remind us that
that's who Greg Gates killed, and and.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
A shot of Nadia Dakota's hugging detectively. So it's just like, okay, great,
and Lindsey looks shaken. I guess and they're going They
go to talk to Yates and they're like, we we
were told you might have information. Do you recognize this person?
And it's just it's just bones.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Ah, yeah, I know that femur anywhere? What the fuck
is wrong with you? He's not even the medical examiner,
Like it would make a little bit more sense if
he if they went to rednik and be like, you're
a medical examiner, who was this?

Speaker 1 (35:37):
And even then that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
They also have an array of headshots of missing women
from the Chicago area, and one of them is kind
of horny, and why wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
They start with the head shots rather than the bones?

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Dude? Outside bones? Those are those are literally outside bones? Yes,
they were outside. So he taps on the horny looking
one and is like, oh, she's probably not in uh
in New York. She's probably in some truck stop bathroom
houring herself out for cocaine.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Somewhere outside of Gary, Indiana. Theoretically or hypothetically.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Please send detective Rollins next time. Oh why didn't she come? Now?
Was it because she had my demon seed?

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Was it a boy or a girl? Like, that's none
of your business. Fuck off? And then he's like, bring
back Rollins within twenty four hours or you get nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah, And it seems as though Aaron Lindsay is going
to go back to Chicago, and I'm like, what a
waste of a cameo. Well she doesn't. She doesn't go
back to it.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
They nearly do, though, because then they get back to
sp they're like, hey, it's gotta be Rollins, and Rollins
is like, put me in coach I, he'll only talk
to me.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And Olivia doesn't even want to do that. She's like,
he's bored, he's fucking with us, which is correct. Well,
he's not bored, but he is fucking with them.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Well he could also be bored.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
She's right so rarely that it feels it feels like
she's still wrong.

Speaker 1 (37:11):
Right, So she says, fine, you and Careesy go up
and talk to him, and even Ronins is like he's
in you know, he's in jail, right, and there's there's
people there, like, so I don't need an escort.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
John Doe has the upper hand.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
So Robins and Creasey go up there.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And but meanwhile, before we see Ron's and Creasy get there,
we see a group therapy session. Oh yeah, with Carl
Rudnik his salemate played by Robin to Jesus, and the
person running the group therapy is bron Win fucking Freed.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
I loathe this character so very much, and she's like,
who it was great empathy class we had last week.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So now what we're gonna do is up with your
empathy partners.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
And like the the exercises I understand it is sit
across from this person, say nothing and see if you
can understand what they're feeling.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
That's what they do in fucking couples therapy.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You guys, like, what is this exercise?

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, the exercise is interrupted when Yates comes in and
is like, oh, may I be doctor Rudnick's empathy partner.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And he tells the other guy like basically just get lost,
and like, wait a second, what I there's only a
certain number of.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah what now he's now this guy's got no empathy partner, So.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Now I guess he just goes well back to his cell. So, like,
what is the organization of this that you could just
like walk? I don't I don't know a lot about
prison life, but the fact that everyone seems to be
able to just roam around freely, the exchange of ideas, right,
I was like, I I understand this, and and so
this this like silent stare down between the two of them,
silent because Yates starts talking to him.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, Yates is like, oh I heard, I heard your
lasagna is delicious. Get me the fuck out of here.
And these close ups are close. They're like the close
ups on Yates in this episode are so close that
I can see like where he has popped a pimple
and now has like a little bit of a scab.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Very very high attention to detail. That is unfortunate for you.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
You're lucky that you it was it was screaming at me.
You're lucky that you watched on your phone. But it
turns out that Greg Gates. When Crisey and Rollins arrive
at the prison, the warden tells Greg just tells them
that Greg Gates is a model prisoner. He volunteers at
the law library, he helps people with their defenses and uh,

(39:54):
and then Creasey's like he's charming the warden, classic sociopath.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, and again it's like, but we know he No
one seems to really have an appreciation for I mean,
so they try to have it both ways where it's
like everyone knows how dangerous he is, but no one
really takes them serious because everyone's like.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
No, because they believe that he will stay in prison,
which is incorrect.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Well because later, because Brodwin freed later is like, if
he wants to hurt you, he's just gonna hurt you.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
He'll find a way, because even.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Rollins later is like, I mean, if he was gonna
attack Rudnik, he would have done it already. But like,
but that's not true obviously, because then they broke out
a fucking prison together, so why wouldn't it be Like, no,
he hasn't attacked it yet, because he's using him. They
talk so much about how manipulative Yates is and how
he can do all of these different like there's there's
nothing that he can't do. And yet the Warden is like,

(40:48):
everything's fine.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
He's fine, everything's fine. Don't look at don't look in
the water heater. That's not off.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Yeah, I don't view him as a threat at all,
even though I know that he's incredibly it's just none
of it, none if it makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
And so Rollins goes in to talk to him, and
he's like, Rolin's still fuckable as always, looks motherhood, looks
good on you tell me about your breast milk and
greases like I will fucking kill you. And basically he
gives her a little bit of information turning checks on
the truck stop between Chicago and Gary, Indiana. And then
he based like, because he is so hannibal lectory, he

(41:27):
has to figure out a new way to say quid
pro quo clarice. So he's like, you know what they say,
you scratch my back and I give you I scratch
your back clarice.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And I want to be transferred to honor Block. I'm like,
oh good, he got straight a's. I'm glad to hear it.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Yeah, so I guess I guess honor block. I mean
it sounds fake, it's probably real, but honor Block in
prison is it's a specialized housing in a maximum security
facility where inmates who have demonstrated good behavior are given

(42:07):
certain minimum security privileges, ping pong tables, TV wreck their
own wreckyard, they can cook their own foods, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Sure, Okay, So he's basically saying, I'll give you more information,
but you gotta put me in honor.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Blocks, basically transfer me to.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
The different cell block. So they they then FaceTime with Live.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
I fucking hate that, Yeah, so much.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
I do too. And Live is basically like, I mean,
see if they'll do it. I guess, ask the warden
and get whatever you can. Because again, so Live, you
realize like it's not it's not just Rolins, that's it's
all of you being manipulated. So like, don't put this

(42:55):
burden solely on you.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Greed lit this Also, I hate to be the one
that keeps doing this. This is the plot of Silence
of the Lamb. Yes, Lecter wants to go to minimum
security and have a window and his books like and
then breaks out. It's I think at this point Yates
is just doing a silence like like Greg Yates has

(43:20):
watched the movie and it's just like these these cops
are fucking idiots, like Pitch, I could just do this
and then Lecter escapes.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah, except you know, now they made it a two hander.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
For the It's wrong with You people?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I don't, I just it was. It was bad enough
last episode and the episode before with Yates literally doing this.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
They are well, this is our last episode with Yates.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
That fine, I mean fine, but again they're they're recycling
storylines now, they're recycling other movies.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
And story I would prefer that they do that pretty transparently,
where they're like, this time, we're in the abyss. We're
gonna submarine you guys. So they they they think that
they they're they're wise to Yates's tricks, and they think
that Yates is manipulating them so that he can get
close to Rudnick to kill Rudnik because they because they

(44:17):
have like.

Speaker 1 (44:18):
A vengeance scheme.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah right, Rudnick killed yates fiance.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
So what it was and then what was it that
Yates did to Runick because he did something?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, they have they have like a mutual Yeah, Yates
is the one who like dimed on Rudnick, who's like,
oh that was my it was my old medical school
pal Karl Rudnick. Yes, yes, yes, murders, that's what it was.
And so at some point they're just like, yeah, we're
willing to use Rudnick as live bait. It's fine.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Well, they say like, well, go ask Rudnick if he's
okay with it, because I think the warden even says like, well,
they'll we can't let that happen, so they'll they'll ask
Rudnick if he's okay with it, and Rudnick's like, yeah, okay, whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
That's fine. Yeah. The the only purpose to this scene
is to show us that Rudnick has a Swiss tourism
poster on his wall, which is a callback to the
time that he impersonated his own ex girlfriend who he
killed in Switzerland. He didn't kill her in Switzerland, killer

(45:22):
in America, then went to Switzerland and pretended to be here.
But also like, at this point, I'm like, is he
tunneling out but behind that fucking poster he fucking is
he fucking It's.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Literally and I was like, how did no one be like,
you know, every day you have to just pull it
up so we can see that there's nothing behind it.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
They also like they're in honor block, they get to
see movies like The The The prison guards should be like, hey,
no posters, we all I know, we all just watched Shawshank.
Posters are now illegal, but apparently not so. Criese's the

(46:02):
one that's doing this. And this is we mentioned this
I think earlier, where Rednick's like, I hope you're not
still eating bacon.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Increase is like, eh, yeah, yeah, Doc, don't worry. I'm
I'm cutting back. It's gonna be Everything's gonna be fine.
Rednick does this whole thing is like they say life
is short, but in fact it's quite long.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Yeah. And so also on Rednicks, like desk is the
lasagna like half eaten lasagna?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, in Creasey clocks it but doesn't say anything.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Yeah. I mean he's like, oh, you're eating You're eating
good here. So they basically transferred Greg Gates like in
a day. It like takes no time at all, which
sounds like it's not quite real. But as Greg Gates
like goes to his cell, which is the one conveniently
right next to Rednicks, he also spots the lasagna on
the on the table. I don't think it's a good

(46:55):
idea to leave lasagna out like that there's bacteria and shit.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
Well, I mean it's all They've got a fucking fridge
in the cell.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
Still, it's like, you leave that it's got sausage and
cheese in it. You leave that out for more than
like three hours, and you're gonna fucking get trickamaniasis.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Well, for all we know, Freed has just shown up
with it today. It could have been that morning's lasagnet.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
But it's been out since Careesy was there, and it's
still out when yates Is walks by. So it's what
would you say the amount of time is between those
two events.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
I don't know, because they make some sort of a
comment where it's like, oh, we have to leave for tonight,
we'll head back, but we'll be up here first thing
in the morning. So but then, so I guess that
was the previous you know, Honestly, I don't know. Couldn't say. Uh.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
From corrections from the Correction's department, trickamaniais is a sexually
transmitted disease, but it is a parasite. But you get
it from the vagina, not from what I'm saying is
all I'm saying is body lasagna if you will, Yeah,
bron when Bronwyn put put her all into that lasagna,
it's real.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
It's a real goop lasagna. Oh Jesus, goop candle lasagna.
And so uh yeah, uh god, I'm my fucking brain
is gone. So Dodds and Careesy go back up to
the prison because it's live. Oh, it's it's it's Olivia

(48:30):
and Dodds. Dodd's and Barbara's already their question. Yeah, very
We've had some sort of like oh, I didn't know
Uber came up here? Like does does Barbara not have
a car? Is that established?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Well, it's like, but like lots of people don't have cars. Yeah,
but I I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:49):
It's just why it's a weird line.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
It's also because Olivia is refusing to allow Rollins back
into the lions Den. He talks to me now or
he doesn't talk to anybody, is what she says.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
And Dodds even asks like, but why, and she doesn't
really have a good answer.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
But Dodds is doing a Dodds thing, uh, and says, oh,
by the way, warden, my father William Dodds says, sends
his regards and and an of you or Smith. The
Wharton is like, oh, I can see the resemblance.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Cool, tell you're dad, I said, hello, I guess it
was such a weird line.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
But they want to talk to Yates. They're waiting for
Yates in like the wreck room or whatever.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
They said, they're god, yeah, they're getting all of gen
pop out into the yard and then once that's done,
then they'll go get Yates or whatever. And the corrections
officer goes, he's not in his cell and the cell
I said, roommate. The cellmate is like, oh, I think
he's in the in the library library doing the thing.

(49:58):
And Rutnick is doing in his like clinic volunteer work
or something. So they go to the law library and
there the CEO's like, where's where's Yates? And I was like,
it's a fucking shoe box.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
In here, looking around. You fucking tell me he's.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Not fucking here. And whenever he says like, oh, he's
in the law library, it's like three books on a
shitty ikea shelf. So anyway, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
We cut over to Rollin's, who is once again machine
fighting with a vending machine and carries He's like so
a little postpartum after she had a baby, and Ron's like,
I'm not angry after I had the baby. I fucking
want to fucking talk to Greg Yates. And if I'm

(50:45):
not there, he's gonna think that we're ganging up on him.
He's gonna think that we're ganging up on him. He's
in prison for so many murders.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
The fuck are you talking? You were there ganging up
he's a serial killer, rapist. Yeah, you're a law enforcement
You did gag up on him to put him in
fucking crazy y fuck is wrong with you people? This
is fucking infuriating. It's so dumb. And then Greases like
you should have melatonin for postpartum depression. I'm like, I

(51:17):
don't think that's they fucking either. She's gonna be a
sleep atter desk.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
What the well instead of watching that Baker's does in
TV show that's definitely not in the air anymore.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Mabwill Rond's is just kicking the fucking I don't think
she put money, and she's just kicking the machine till
it gives her a soda and it works.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, that's that's called being a cop. But this is
where she lays the line on him. What I have
a baby and all of a sudden they can't talk
to serial killers anymore?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
What what?

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Man?

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Here's the thing. She's absolutely right, though it doesn't make
any sense.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
No, but so little of this episode makes sense, including
what happens next, which is that in the yard.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, just like before, we are now there. So the
cell phone looking thing is that like a remote for drones?
Who is operating the drones?

Speaker 2 (52:09):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
It's never run down.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
But there are drones. So the gen Pop is in
the yard and two massive drones show up and drop
what the guards assume to be guns into the quadra
band and we.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Get a we're in like the room that what it
like the lobby or whatever fucking room, and they look
at you can see all the Yeah, you see all
the inmates through the window out in the yard, and
they're all just like looking in one direction and pointing up.
And so that's when we see the drones, and Barbara
has like, oh, this is like what happened in Ohio.
They just dropped a bunch of contraband in with these drones.

(52:49):
I was like, what which which? Don't ask too many
questions because this is again not run down at all.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
But it turns out that this is real. So there
are people who dropped drugs into an Ohio prison via drones,
and they were caught and arrested, and now they're in
the same prison that they dropped drugs into.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
They're using the same drugs that they themselves dropped into
the prison.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, so it's very strange. You definitely are not allowed
to fly drones over prisons, but this causes a like
a confusion. I'm assuming that the one that they're referring
to is a drone that dropped a package of into
a prison yard in July of twenty fifteen at the

(53:48):
Mansfield Correctional Institute in Ohio. A bunch of heroin got
dropped in there. But I'm assuming because Yates and Rudnick,
Rudnick especially has this like grand plan of escape, including
a bunch of money that he like uses to bribe
people to like unweld to fucking great shut. I think

(54:10):
that like those guys whose necks are snapped are the
ones operating the drones.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
It it has to be, because it made it really.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Other options.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, but it also seems like so they've been gone
for a while, but this this quote unquote, distraction doesn't
happen until they've presumably at this point on the.

Speaker 2 (54:34):
In the weeds.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Yeah, but if that's the case, No, but that can't
be the case. So they must be just because if it's.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
The guys they got there to have gotten out there.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Right, because it's like, okay, as soon as they drop that,
that's when they made their escape and then broke their necks,
I guess, so you.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Can tell what so they're not that far ahead, then
you can tell whether their next gets snapped because the
drones just fall out of the sky.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
But you know what I'm saying, because Lips is like,
oh my god, they've had you know when was lost
head start? Yeah, it's like, oh they were seeing it
head count at whatever time.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
But then the you're right, they must only have like
a ten minute head start, maybe an hour because it
takes them a while to look around the prison.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Right because they have to lock down the prison.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh, speaking of locking down the prison, when when these
drones drop the drugs and or guns into the yard,
they do, they call a cold a code blue and
everyone has to lay down and one of the guards says, man,
now we're going to have to check the spouts on
all these water heads. The fuck does that mean? I
think I think it's not gonna Yeah. I think he's

(55:35):
talking about their assholes.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
So it's that's that's why it took nine hours to
do a cavity search of every inmate, and now they
can move.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Their assholes were filthy. So eventually they call a code
another code blue because they very clearly have lost two prisoners,
and they try to get the Jose Silva, the the
cell mate of Rudnik, to like explain what the fuck

(56:06):
is going on, and he's like, listen, I know that
you went through a lot with William Lewis, and so
I am like, I'm sympathetic toward that. I'm like, Jesus
fucking Christ, this is the thing forever. Well, why does
this one prisoner know about William Lewis who cares right
like I.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
So anyway, he's like, they'll kill me if I tell you,
And they're gone, yeah, what, I don't know. They're not
here and they're definitely.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Not coming back alive.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah. So they find they do the Shawshank thing with
the Switzerland.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
With the Swiss poster, yeah, and they're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Boy, there's a hole of and then Live describes it
or like whenever she gets the information, it's like, oh,
there was like a hole of some vriety. It's like, no,
it's a it's a tunnel, you idiot. They make it
sound like, no, no, it's not that big of a deal.
It's just a hole in the wall of the cell.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
It's into like it seems to be like into where
you would put like insulation in drywall, but like that,
this prison is made of like concrete. So I don't
know why it has this like passageway that is like
prefabbed for them, but whatever. And so they say, okay,

(57:18):
can't get far because we welded shut all of the sewer. Great,
the manhole covers after Dana Mora, So do you know
what this is about?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
I don't so.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
In Dana Mora, which is a place in New York.
In twenty fifteen, there was a big prison break that
was eventually turned into a television show starring Patricia Arquette
and it's about. It's the Clinton Correctional Facility in upstate

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New York, and two convicted murderers, Richard Matt and David Sweat,
were aid in their escape by Joyce Tilly Mitchell, a
married prison employee entangled in secretive relationships with both men.
Does this sound familiar to you, Broadwind Freed? Perhaps yes.

(58:16):
So this episode is not only shash Ank Redemption and
the Fugitive and Silence of the Lambs, but it's also
Escape at Dana Mora, which won a bunch of Emmys
in twenty eighteen. So it came out after this episode
er to be fair, but it is like very clearly
referent like a nod to this.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
Was there rire from the headlines? I don't remember at the.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Beginning, there was a very very specific non rip from
the headlines and I was like, wait, fucking why, And
it turns out it's this. This is the reason but
fun fact in the show Escape from Dana Moora because
it is it takes place like in the real world.
There are real world people that that are played on

(59:00):
the show. And uh Michael Imperiali plays Disgrace Governor of
New York City, sorry, disgrace Governor of the State of
New York Andrew Cuomo oh Man, who's also gonna maybe
be the next mayor of New York City. God, I
hope not.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
I mean, you can't make this ship up.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
Can't make the ship up Michael Imperioli as as Andrew Cuomo.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Cool, I wouldn't mind seeing that performance.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Actually yeah, yeah, I should watch the show. But that,
but all of the everyone in the prison that works
for the prison, specifically the prison wardens, like there's no
way they could have gotten out, and they're in like
the steam truck in.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
The fact that they literally fucking sawed through the like
it's it's not possible for somebody to escape. It's like, well,
it's probably also not possible. I would think that you
would say, like's not possible to do everything that they've
already done.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
Yeah, And so they're in like the boiler room or
whatever and the steam trunk distributions. Dodds is like, hey,
what if they're in here, and the Warden's like, they're
definitely not because they would be boiled alive. And he's
like this thing isn't hot, this room isn't hot. What
And then he like finds like literally like a hobbit

(01:00:12):
door into this giant I guess it's like a like a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Water heater or it's a stem.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
It's a steam pipe, and yeah, steam pipe. It goes
all the way out to the uh to the to
the street.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Yeah, because this is where the warden's like, well, even
if they were to get through that, it's welded shut.
So it's like, dude, if they've gotten this far and
they know all because they say that like kan ed
was out and they had to like turn off the
boiler or something.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's maintenance the other like like what
happened to your apartment today or didn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Or it didn't actually end up happening. So but every
time it was like, no, this can't possibly happen, And
then they get to the other rooms like no, they
certainly goddamned well, no, they even though they've cut a
hole in this doesn't mean they'll be able because it's
oh no, Like at no point tom is she like,
oh fuck, where does this go out? It seems like
they may have figured this out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
At one point she does say that, and it's when
she like opens the unwelded grate and she's like, well,
he must have paid someone to unweld it. I don't know.
This is this is truly beyond my capability.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
All of this they had to help very clearly, so yeah,
what whatever, whatever you see the hole in the wall.
That's where you're like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Something's up, something's up, because maybe maybe maybe set someone
up in all the greats.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Yeah, and she's like, well, my prison intelligence, like prison intelligence.
The fuck is this what you've gotten?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Like see eyes?

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
I guess it's like, well, you know, they'll figure out
who the fuck is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
This, Okay, But there's like a dead body right by
the grate and in one of the cops is like,
was it this person? You think that this person helped
them and then got their fucking neck snapped and the
fucking fantasy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
And there's a bucket truck there. They're like, yeah, break
down the bucket thing there. Yeah, there's dead body in
there too.

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
How about ye the cherry picker.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah. And because I think it's Dodds that says like, well,
these people always working two man teams, I'm like, do they?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Is that a fact? Dodds's father knows every con ed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Ward and CEO everything, he knows everything.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah, And so they start pointing fingers at SVU and
annite Vere Smith. The warden is like, oh, Detective Rollins
was the one that really pushed for his transfer. Maybe
she's the inside man and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Doesn't say anything to the effect.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Of like, well I told her to yeah, and and
Rollins is like, well, it was the only way we
get him to cooperate. Does this look like he's cooperating Rollins?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
They also there's a bunch of times that this is
said by a bunch of the different CEOs where it's like,
boy Yates is really popular, He's getting so many yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
So charming, so many visits. Yeah, they say that like
three times. This is the last time that they mentioned
that eats has a bunch of visitors. So now is
something that that Matt mentioned earlier, which is that they
start cutting in like news footage of this man hunt for.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Before they do that, before they cut to the break
as they come back from the break with the news update.
But is this where they determine it's Broadwind Freed so
like walking down the hall.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Okay, this is this is the next because I think
that they go back to to Robin to Jesus Jose
Silva and they're like, what is this dame And he's like,
I like her, I don't want to. But before that,
we have the guy from the Dark Knight, the newscaster
from the Dark Knight being a newscaster again being like, ah, manhunt, manhunt, everyone,

(01:03:49):
we're on a man hunt and uh. And Voight calls
Olivia and is like, hey, so you really fucked the
dog on this one, didn't you. She's like, shut, it's
not Voight fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
And he's like, I'm gonna my guys are literally just
about to get on a plane. I'm gonna send them
back your way to help. And it's like, why, but those.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Are not help they're not helping. Sure to sum up
or fund here, bud, Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
This is where So now there's this to Rutnick's uh,
and he's and they're like, look, man, you know something.
They've already killed two people during the yeah, that we
know of, So you know, how did they fucking get out?
You knew you must have known they he burrowed a

(01:04:38):
hole in your wall. You can't say that you didn't
know that. And he admits like, yeah, I was just
I would pretend to be asleep, but I knew it
was happening. Uh. And he he used a bunch of
saws and ship and uh.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Feels like there should be like a night guard that
listens for like the sound of sawing, you would think
and this is.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Where he gives up, where he's like, I don't want
to get her in trouble. It's broadwind free. So they're like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Me, miss Wilkins, and they're like wait a minute, Braun
went like, They're like, who's this miss Wilkins bitch. The
first thing they they learned that miss Wilkins, missus Wilkins
brought lasagna. And so they they talk to the the
like metal detector guard, the TSA guard, and he's like, well,

(01:05:24):
she brought us lasagna too, and she was like, please
don't that metal detector because because the rays caused cancer.
Like I know that you don't want to be like
a fucking astrophysicist to work at a prison.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
But like that's not a thing. That's not how that works. No,
it's magnets, not at all. It's it's an X like no, no, okay,
just sure who? Like I wonder is it that like
Rudnik or Yates convinced that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Maybe of that as the long con as uh maybe
as Careesy is like questioning him or is it Dodds.
I don't fucking know. He eventually stops answering. He's like,
I better speak to my union rep.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Probably because you're about to be fired.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
And so so then they're they're doing like a walk
and talk because Anna de Vier Smith is here and
she was on the west wing and she's like, oh,
yeahs Broadwind Wilkins and they like all stop and they're like,
her name's Bronwyn. That's kind of a weird thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
It's a very specific name.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Which is funny because she very clearly is named after
the actor that plays Olivia's nanny, Bronwyn.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Read right, and so, which is still what a mind fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
But yeah, I hate that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
But is this where it live? Is like, does she
haven't made there where she's like, wait a second, Broadway?
Does she look like this?

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
And is she like a heavy set redhead?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
I was like, da is a better effect? She is like, motherfucker,
it's Broadwind Freed and I think this is where Chreese
is like what she just is like obsessed with serial killers?
And so I was like, yeah, I guess so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
And Olivia very rightly is like how the fuck did
she get a job at a prison? And Barbara this
is the only reason that Barba's in this sequence, is like, well,
we may have dropped the charges that she helped William
Lewis escape from prison because she got a deal, if you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
Can believe it. Uh, there was a whole lot of
corruption going on at Rikers and no one wanted to
open that door. So we just said, man, fuck it,
that's fine, let.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
Her walk, Let's let the corruption continue.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
And then I think Rollins is like, okay, fine, even
if the charges were dropped and if that didn't preclude her,
you still you still do background, like that would still
show what. Yeah, And I think this is where she's like, well,
you know that's that's the city. This is the state
system to each other. These systems so don't talk to
each other, so we wouldn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
And Olivia's like, what is her fucking address? Jesus Christ?

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
And so they storm her house and they're like it's
like a whole swat seam and they're like, are we
expecting I'm expecting like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
A shade out. Maybe the rudnicking yates are there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
I don't know, right, but I think Carisi is a
thing where it's like she takes lasagna and muffins. I
don't think she's gonna shoot us.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
I'm like, which is true, Well why?

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
But she also assisted William Lewis and getting out of jail,
and these two from getting out of jail. So even
if you don't think that she's going to shoot you,
if anyone is with her, they might shoot you when
you go through the door. But like it was such
a throwaway. Now everything's fine, And as it turns out,
it is they just kicking the door. And the husband

(01:08:45):
is sitting in.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Like in like cartoon prospector pajamas.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Eating of all things, lasagna, just a lot of lasagna.
None off, it's any good because it's been sitting out
for too long.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
As you pointed out, he's got so many worms.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Right. So the husband says, I don't know where she is.
She said that she had a family emergency, and so
she took she took my car. So they got they
get the uh A family emergency. That's something you tell
your professor in college to get out of a test,
not your husband, which is this is what's happening. This

(01:09:24):
is the family emergency.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
You marry, bron Winfreed, This is what you get, I guess.
But they they get the Magan model and license plate
of the car, and they find the car but it
has a different plate and then quietly someone's like Greg
Yates knows how to change license plates? What you mean,

(01:09:46):
what do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Yeah, Like he's just got a screwdriver, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
And so they find the car. There's no one in
the car, but there's like a it's in like a
parking lot, and there's another car that's sort of like
rumbling in the trunk. Someone's trying to escape, and Dodds
does the very sensible thing of breaking the car window
and using the release lever of the trunk as opposed
to just crow barring the trunk open.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
But sure, I mean six or those maybe he didn't
he didn't have the thing on him. He's like, yeah,
have the crow bar on him. He did have a
tire iron though, so he just went with that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
So he just screams. Immediately they open the truck, she's
like beaten and bruised, and then they're like where where,
Where's rights?

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
It's like, baby, take the gag out and then ask
her the question.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
So I mentioned this before in a previous Bronwin Freed episode.
But Bronwin Freed is a caricature of what conservatives think
liberals are because they they they interviewed, they like interrogate
her and she's like, well, he's made so much, so

(01:10:56):
much progress, and he became Yates sorry run now became
a confidant and uh and I don't want to Livy
here because she has a lot of anger toward me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
It lives like guess the fuck why asshole her gun
in front of her? Yeah, it's like Live takes out
a revolve. She picks her pir drop gun, but it's
like just leaves one in the fucking just spins it.
We're like, let's do as Broadwind free.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yates did this to me. I'm doing this, not Yets. Uh,
William Lewis did this to me. I'm doing this to you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
And so like here's the thing. It's like, yeah, do
you know why I'm upset with you because you let
the one guy out who then abducted.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Me and like terrorized he nearly killed me. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
I don't think Live ever got and I'm sorry for
Broadwin Freed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Oh I remember now Live doesn't kill William Lewis. He
kills himself right and and then Live like almost takes
the heat for it. What a stupid show this is.
But yeah, so they're they're saying like Rednick's a real
piece a ship. You know, he like murdered so many people.
And she's like, that's not the man.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
I know, it's incredible. And this is where Barbara has
to be like Broadwin bunch of I've got, You're sitting down.
You are so dumb, and you do realize this is
a felony. You're going to prison for this. And that's
when she's like, oh, man, like she seems surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
By this and it's not God, dang it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Are you what did you think was gonna fucking happen?

Speaker 2 (01:12:29):
Well, they were gonna be in love forever or something,
I don't know, way together. This person doesn't actually exist though,
is my point? Like, like, no one is that stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
I mean, well, because she says something to you, he's like,
oh they I don't know if it was Yates or
if it was running. I think I had it in
Yates because she says it like, oh, it's just gonna
be Rudnik that got out. And then Yates somehow warmed
his way in the.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Scheme, and she doesn't like Yates. Rudnick is a kind soul,
but Yates is there there's a darkness in him, and
and Yates wanted Rudnick to kill Bronwin, and Rudnick like
took pity on her and just hit her and shot
fired around in the air and then stashed her in

(01:13:12):
a trunk because.

Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
You know what an angel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And She's like, oh, why didn't you. Olivia's like, why
didn't you tell anyone this was all happening? And She's like,
I was in fear for my life.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Yeah, they said Yates said that he would kill my
husband or no, it was even like during before the escape,
because she says like, oh, Yates said like he would
kill my husband, and liv Is like, he's in jail
thirty miles away from your husband.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
Had you not aided them escaping, yeah, he.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Would still, in fact be in prison thirty miles away,
and there would be no threat to you. And she's like,
if he wants to hurt someone, he will.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
I'm like, I fuck man, whatever with you?

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Broadwin freed. Thank god we are rid of you, of
really of everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
She gets one She gets one more line in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
Oh okay, though you're gonna say that she's got one
more episode. I'm like, is it when she's sentenced to
death for being an idiot?

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I actually don't know if she comes back, but She
has one more line in this episode where she's like,
you know, Red Nick and I were intimate, and they're like,
wait a minute, wait, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Wait wait, you were fucking him.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
She's she's like, emotionally, yes, spiritually intimate, which I have
to say, I Matt and I are spiritually intimate.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
We sure are buddy of the highest order.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
But she says that yes, this is her last this
is her last appearance on the fucking Lord.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
She says that they were gonna go to Adirondack Park
and she got them a map of the yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Park and some troopers like that's like six million acres
or something like that. I'm like, oh good, we've got
we've got another man hunt. Not a nationwide man hunt.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
No, you're still New York.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
It's alluded to being a nationwide man hunt. At best.
It was almost an international man hunt since they were
planning on going across the border to Canada. So I
don't know where this title is coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:15:16):
So they find another dead cop in a in a
house with like I don't quite know how this like,
we just sort of like cut to this dead State
trooper with like a trash bag over her bare ass,
and Dodds is like, son of a bitch, a dead trooper.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Yeah, what I what happened here? They took they took.

Speaker 2 (01:15:39):
Lindsay, and Lindsay and Dodds go one way and then
like the rest of the team goes the other way
to find Rudnick hiding in the boat like the Boston.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Bomber, right, and but there's two well hold on, yeah,
so this is which is the been with like the
little kid that's later, that's later, so that they other
State troopers murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
So yeah, they find a picture from a from like
a toll booth of Bronwin and Rudnik and Rednick is
of course in drag and they're like, oh, Yates must
be in the trunk. So they like, I think one
team chases down that car. I think it's Lindsay or

(01:16:27):
something like that. Yeah, and then the other team finds
Rudnick somehow, and the statees like have infrared literally just
like the Boston bomber. They have infred they can see
that there's someone hiding in this boat, and uh and
the and the head.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
One State trooper is just like we already lost one
to night the fire into the boat and Greasy is like,
don't do that, and I'm like, I mean, maybe it's
not him. Yeah, it would be strange that because they
they also say something effect I think.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
It's a fucking vagarant sleeping in a boat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Could be that they they do say something to the
effective or it's like a it's an ad R line.
I think Careasey's like, how many how many people are
up here at this time of year? And he's like,
no one, this is all summer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
There's no boats on the whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
We have one boat out there. And he says something
about divers. I'm like, are you looking for a body
at the bottom?

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
They because they think that they are like in the
water trying to cross the border. Turns out he's just
in the fucking boat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:26):
But the divers so you're something that they were trying
to simply didn't make it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Rudnick is independently wealthy. He has a submarine. I told
you we would be on the Abyss soon soon enough.
Why not? You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
Why not? But yes, so Caresee's like, I know this man,
I'm gonna go talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
But then it looks like he stabs a knife through
is that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Because it looks like is like he puts his hand
up through the tarp like waving like Hi, I'm here,
and Creasey looks like he stabs.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
It looks like he stabs him. And then and then
very clearly Rudnick has been apt. Yeah care, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Think stick him me, Like, all right, if he's in there,
I just want to make sure that he's incapacitated when
I go in after him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Then he's like, hold on, Carl, hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
So they they take Rudnick to the hospital. Yeah, cares.
And I think it's it's Creasey living Rollins goes and
like the random state trooper guy who's got a couple
of lines here.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
And there who says fire into the boat.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
I mean, it's probably good that they didn't, because literally
his line is just we already lost one tonight. Fum.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah. And also like Rudnick has the like what's the
opposite of like a heel turn, like a like a
face turn where he's like, I never I was gonna
go live a peaceful life in Canada where they were
headed to the Saint Lawrence River. It was never my
intention to harm anyone, and all Yates wants his revenge

(01:18:53):
against who who can say about to ask they're going
to Wellesley Island, Wellesley Island, but.

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
We don't have that because we're at the hospital and
it's Caresey holding his hand as he's saying all this.
It's like his heart grew three sizes day or something.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
It's like a real grich.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Right, and Caresee's like, okay, thanks, thanks for tell me
all that. And as soon as he gets the information,
Creasey just like rips his hand. He's like, fuck you, asshole,
fucking hate you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:19):
So Aaron Lindsay and Mike Dodds are up near this area.
They find another abandoned car with a further.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Whenever they find out where they're the well Walesley or
Wellesley Island or whatever else island, Live calls Dodds and
is like, oh great, we've got atf and Border Patrol
and a whole bunch of people are already going after him,
so we don't need your guys. Call him back, and
Dodds is like, okay, every agency under the sun is
now going to where we we know they're or Yates

(01:19:51):
is headed to, so we get to go back and
Lindsay's like, yeah, I'm not gonna do that, so I'll
pull over here and you can like walk back if
you want, but I'm fucking going for it. And just
so conveniently, at that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
They spot in the bushes with a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
Yeah, they see that they passed by a state trooper
who has looked like he had pulled over a pickup truck,
which I think there was a line that's a throwaway,
that's like, oh, they were in a pickup truck. And
dodd says, there hasn't been any radio traffic were reporting
anyone being pulled over or something like that. I guess,
so they would know that. So they're like, back up, baby.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
Here we go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Uh, surprise, surprise, dead state trooper. And they are now
being Dodds and Lindsay are being shot at from a.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Well do they connect with do he connects with Dodds?

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
He gets Dodds cause as soon as they discover yeah,
they say, oh, it's a dead state trooper. And then
Lindsey at yells his gun's missing. And as soon as
she says that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
And so Lindsey has a flashlight and is is waving
it around, which is probably not the best.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
Idea, she's giving away her position.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Yeah, when you're trying not to be shot, but it
turns out that Gates has run and Lindsey tries to
follow him. She trips in the snow and drops her
garden okay, which is very stut and flashlight, which is
very stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Can I ask you something when that happened? I was
expecting As she's like crawling around, it's like a classic
like oh my glasses where.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
I can't see I literally wrote my glasses.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Right, But I was like it was gonna be as
soon as she gets to the gun, I was like,
it's gonna be. She gets her hand on the gun
and then behind me, so it's like, what was I
guess subverts expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Maybe she actually just fell.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
They're like you said, keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And so she sees instead of seeing Greg Yates when
she picks up her gun, she sees just like a cabin.
So she goes into the cabin another dad guy and
there's like a little girl hiding behind a hiding underneath
like a table full of rubble, and she's like my
daddy and and I guess there's like a note. Oh

(01:22:02):
it's just like ram, lindsay, it's so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
No, so she there's no dead body when she gets
in there's nothing here. She finds the kid and says,
like stay there, and she says, oh, my daddy, my daddy.
There's a gunshot outside and she tells the kid don't
go anywhere. She runs outside, finds the.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Dead dead bullet to the head note in his mouth,
just the way I want to go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
And it's a real half assed attempt of Yates trying
to run Lindsay over or he's not at all really,
He just kind of like goes around her.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
He turns on his lights. He doesn't. He makes the
same mistake Lindsay does.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
Yeah, And this is where Lindsay then pulls the note
out of the dead guy's mouth and it says see you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Back home, see you back home eron Yeah, And that's
our dick Wolf. I was like hoping it would be
our dick Wolf. This episode didn't didn't lag well blagged
a little bit during the prison break, but I was like, yeah,
fuck yeah, cliffhanger, because that's our episode for this week.
But if you were wondering, which I know that you were,

(01:22:59):
about what happens to Greg Yates. This is from the
Law and Order fandom wiki. Ready, this all happens in
the next episode. Of Chicago P day, so I have
to stress all of these things happen. In one episode
of television, Yates travels state to state, carjacking people along

(01:23:22):
the way, and eventually arrives back in Chicago, where he
begins to look for his sister, Nellie Carr. I have
no idea who his fucking sister is or what she
means to the show. During this time, he starts using
Spywaar that he installs on Aaron Lindsay's phone to keep
tabs on her investigation. Yates arrives at an apartment complex
to find the apartment that his sister owns knocks on

(01:23:44):
the door, He charms his way into the apartment and
brutally kills all of his sister's roommates, who are all nurses.
When he doesn't find the sister, he goes to her
workplace and asks a couple of students where she is,
and they tell her that she is covering a class
and is currently heading to the parking lot, and so

(01:24:04):
he waits for her. He calls Aaron Lindsay by spoofing
Lindsay's mother's phone number. She ignores it, and then Yates
finds his sister. He kidnaps her, leaving another note taunting
Aaron Lindsay and revealing that he knew that she was
at the station. He starts interrogating his sister Nelly about

(01:24:25):
her past and mentioning how everyone needs a home. So
then he starts handing stuff that he stole from his
victims to homeless vagrants to throw police off his trail,
and pays another homeless woman to deliver a box to
the station containing one of his victim's hands holding a
third note. Yates then breaks into Aaron Lindsay's apartment, bringing

(01:24:49):
the sister with him. He checks on Lindsay through the
spyware on the phone and monitors her when she opens
the box with the hand in it. As soon as
Lindsay reads the note, he calls her again, spoofing her
mother's phone number again and then facetimes her and Yates
shows Lindsay that his sister Nelly is still alive and
continues taunting her, and Lindsay tries to get a confession

(01:25:11):
from Yates on the four nurses that he killed, but
he refuses and he starts ranting about Cain and Abel
and hangs up on her. I also don't think a
confession over the phone works but sure. Yates then locks
his sister in the closet and warns her that if
she tries to escape, he'll kill her. Then, Yates locates
his biological father, Michael, attacks him and kidnaps him. Using

(01:25:32):
his sister's phone, he calls his mother's phone when Lindsey answers.
When Lindsay and Gates' his sister Nelly answer the phone,
Lindsey suggests that Sergeant Platt, who I don't know who
that is, take Nelly somewhere safe, and she listens to
Yates talk about Cain and Abel. Again, Lindsey turns the

(01:25:54):
table on Yates and she starts taunting him with the
fact that she, Lindsay, reminds him of his own mother.
He informs her that her team is on their way
to the wrong location because he pointed them into the
wrong location, and Lindsay's colleague Mouse triangulates Yates's fucking mouse
What is this? The matrix triangulates Yates's location and Yates

(01:26:18):
invites Lindsay to come over, and he promises to talk
to her when she gets there, but he threatens to
kill Michael, his own father unless she comes on her own. Then,
when Lindsay arrives, Yates has his father in a chair
perched over an edge it's just as an edge, with
a noose around his neck, and when Lindsay tries to
call for help, Yates forces her to hang up the

(01:26:40):
phone and halster her gut. He then instructs her to
sit down and gives her a full confession of all
of his crimes and starts taunting her again over Naughtya's
murder and their similarities. After Yates is done, he pushes Michael,
his father over the edge, hanging him. He then grabs
an ice pick and starts moving, making him move on Lindsey,

(01:27:01):
taunting her that she will be the one to kill him.
She warns him. She warns him to stay back, but
Yates keeps edging closer and closer, declaring that she will
be the one to tell his story and repeatedly daring
her to kill him. Finally, she shoots him in self defense.
Dick Wolf, that is all one episode of television.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I was gonna say that's not a two parter.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
No, it is called the Ballad. Sorry, It's called The
Song of Gregory William Yates is the name of the episode.
I'm gonna check the run time of the episode just
to be safe, because holy shit, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:27:38):
That's so much that I feel like the dialogue would
have to be like a Fincher would have to direct
that being like, Okay, faster, do it faster.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Do it faster. The Song of Gregory William yates forty
two minutes and live and live in finner there?

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
What do they do?

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
Why are the fuck knows? They're not in the fucking wiki.

Speaker 1 (01:27:58):
They are so incuseic, they're not even brought up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
There, not even fucking there. There's a quote from the
there's a quote from the episode that not the episode
that we just watched, but the episode that we're talking about,
The Song of Gregory William meats. This is the quote
that's on IMDb. Olivia Benson, have you ever heard of
William Lewis? Aaron lindsay, yeah, he's the killer in New York?

(01:28:23):
Who you? And then Benson says, what Lewis wanted was
to get so far into his victim's head that they
couldn't get rid of him right, that they couldn't live
the lives that they've planned. That's what you're up against, Aaron.
And then she says, isn't it wrong that I'm kind
of relieved I'm the one who killed him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Thank god, we don't have to watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Oh my god, this this episode sounds like dog shit.

Speaker 1 (01:28:48):
This episode tonight was dog shit like, but comparatively well,
I mean this was dogshit because it was just like
what the fuck is this? But that's like it's so
chock full of shit that it last would be like
kind of fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Yeah yeah, like how much like like how can you
put that much shit into one bag? Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Like it's it would be kind of a scene as believing.
I think I'm not going to watch it. I don't
want to. I don't want to know that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
But you know, yeah, so okay. From Trivia Corner. This
is a continuation. This is the one. This is the
sixth episode of a seven episode series or you know,
crossover series event. It's the last appearance of Bronwin Freed.
It's the last appearance of Carl Rudnick on Carl Rudnick's

(01:29:36):
desk in the prison. Is the book No Exit? Get It?
Interstate ninety. Interstate ninety is an East west transcontinental freeway,
Thanks guys, but it's it's the longest freeway as long
as highway in the United States, three twenty one miles.

Speaker 1 (01:29:56):
I think I took up that win moving here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Yeah, probably these fucking trivia. In Carl Rudnick's prison cell,
a poster of Chillin Castle in Switzerland can be seen,
which says Swiss at the bottom. Swiss is simply the
French name for Switzerland. Thank you. Clearly inspired at least
in part by the real life prison break of Richard
Matt and David Sweat, the two men who escaped from

(01:30:22):
Clinton Correctional Facility in Dana Mora, New York in June
of twenty fifteen, with the help of a female prison
employee who was allegedly involved sexually with one or both
of them after three after three weeks on the run,
Matt Richard Matt was shot and killed by law enforcement,
and Sweat was wounded and apprehended two days later, only

(01:30:43):
a mile and a half from the Canadian border. Just
as almost made it. Digging a hole in the prison
wall and covering it with a poster is directly from
the escape used of the Shawshank redemption and then around
the thirty minute mark, police are surveilling Rudnick's hiding place
inside of a boat attached to a trailer parked in

(01:31:05):
a driveway. When Careesi finds him, Rudnick is injured in
need of hospitalization. This closely resembles the situation that Sarnev
brothers were captured after the Boston Marathon bombing. The younger brother,
Zoe Kartsaranev, who's the one that's still alive, was found hit,
a hidden and injured in a boat in the back

(01:31:25):
of where the back of a house in Watertown, Massachusetts.
As of twenty twenty four, he's still on death row,
and Tamberlin Sarnev was killed in the shield on the contray. Yeah,
fucking fucking weird, crazy credits. This didn't happen when I

(01:31:46):
was watching the episode, but apparently in the original broadcast
of the episode, the opening voiceover was changed and it
was it was I think it was still Steve Zurnkintin
that says this, but the opening voiceover was in the

(01:32:08):
criminal justice system, some killers are so depraved that it
takes multiple police agencies to bring them to justice. This
is one of those investigations, huh, which.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
I normally don't skip the introu but I did this time.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
It wasn't it was normal this time, I would have noticed,
but I think like when it was broadcast it was different.
I have a feeling that they were trying to like
do kind of a backdoor pilot of like whatever law
and order FBI, so some like Manhunt type law and
order show, and they were spitballing.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Stuff backdoor pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Yeah, the title Chicago PD was added to the title
card for broadcast. I don't know what that means. From
User review Corner, No boy. This is from j Brock
Dash five four two zero one from August fourteenth, twenty
twenty one out of ten stars. Enough is enough, Thank God? Yes. Second, well,

(01:33:06):
the two most annoying bad guys in the history of
SVU working together. They're not smart enough to plan a party,
never mind an elaborate prison escape. If possible, avoid watching
this episode again.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
When you're right, you when you're right, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
When you're right, you're right. This is That was a
short one. I'm gonna read kind of a longer one
because I think that this person's having a real, real weird,
real weird time. This is also from atex Chad, who
we read last week, and it's from June second, twenty
twenty five, which is the same date as the as
the previous Okay, uh, the previous.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
Review off the fucking presses.

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
Yes, this is from nine days ago, so it's four
out of ten stars. Where's the Marshall service?

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Also a very good question.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah, so they write I'm against the reviewer consensus. I
like these two bad guys. Their story is a little tiresome,
and this episode has so many flaws. But my main
problem with the episode is Benson. She simply cannot stop
acting like a sanctimonious tyrant. Chicago ped needs some help
with missing girls they think are attached to Yates, and

(01:34:17):
there's like a bunch of bunch of recap of the
episode's and then Benson knows all so she sidelines Roin's
and decides that Dodds and the DA of course, and
of course herself will go to the prison because she
knows Yates better. According to her self righteousness, she has
to be the one who knows more than anybody else.

(01:34:38):
So they get to the prison and some drones show up,
creating a distraction. Guards are taking prisoner inventory when they
realize Yates and Rudnick are missing. I forgot to mention.
Somewhere in all of this is the crazy redheaded juror
from the Lewis arc. She helps Lewis escape, admits to it,
but somehow is still not in jail. She was in
the courtroom of Rudneck's trial, but somehow goes unnoticed. The chubby,

(01:35:02):
curly red head sticks out like the Hulk, but no
one sees her anyway. She's in the beginning of this
episode making lasagna, putting in phones, drugs and other items.
It wasn't drugs, it was money. Uh. Then is a
is counseling the inmates at the prison with Yates and
Rudnick there ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

(01:35:23):
ha just playing stupid all caps stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Yep for the fact that whenever they say, like, wait,
Broadwind freed, that, the fact that she was it. They're detectives,
They're supposed to notice things, and no one noticed like
the fucking Broadwind freed the laky that helped freed Lewis
and subsequently was.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
There in the fucking court and the atex Chad brings
it in for I'm skipping several paragraphs. This is a
very long review, but atex Chad brings it in for
a landing. The writers need to do. The writers seriously
need to change Benson's character. Benson, as in multiple Benson's
It's apostrophees my dude, not only her attitude, but the

(01:36:07):
portrayal of how she is the only one who can
do things right, how she knows more than everyone else
they gave They give her zero humility. I literally wish
for the episode when someone comes in and knocks her
off her high horse and she actually steps back and
realizes what kind of person she has been. The only
reason this episode what happened is I don't know, so

(01:36:29):
they could create another poor Benson arc out of it.
What very clearly it's a crossover at Chicago. It's a
poor Aaron Lindsay episode. But okay, four hundred and ten stars.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
I'm frankly, I'm shocked that Noah wasn't in danger.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Yeah right, So it's weird because this is a highly
rated episode but a very low reviewed episode.

Speaker 1 (01:36:55):
So it's a lot of people just give him the
star but not writing anything.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
Yeah. Yeah, tedious family still and long monotonous multi partners
are very much degrading the quality of this show. That's
from Doctor Thursday. I just wanted to read their on
screen name, which is doctor Thursday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
Well he's doctor, He's got got what we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Rudnick Yates Thursday on the new season.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
Of The Wit The Three Amigos.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
The Three Amigos Forever will Be And that's our episode
for this week. Law and Order SVU Season seventeen, Episode
fourteen entitled Nationwide Manhunt. If you agree or disagree with us,
if you think that you could escape from prison better
than Greg Yates and Carl Rudnick, let us know. We're
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We love to hear from you. And we are going
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You won't know that we'll be off, but but that yes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
That we're so the next time, the next episode that
comes out is going to be like a three hour
long I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
So so I think you all have. Uh, well, no,
because they're gonna hear this. They're gonna hear this a
week before. Fuck, we should have said this earlier. Damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
No, this is because we're gonna have because then there's
canyon Day and we'll see you all the canyon. By
the way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
Sure, yeah, I we'll see you off the canyon. But
but we can't tell people that we're taking six weeks
off now, because for them it will only be one week. No, no,
we will have taken six weeks. Will sound very different.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
By the time you hear this episode. The next episode you.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
Will hear, yeah, will be in the in the timeline,
will be August.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Bonus, the next episode you're gonna hear is going to
inevitably be a bonus episode that's gonna come out the
Sunday before the next regular episode, and mail bag would
likely be four to five hours long.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
What I was saying is I was I was going
to give everyone a message that they should like kind
of trim their mail bag down over the next six weeks.
And then I realized that I should have done that
five episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Well, it's not too late. You could put a little
I'm lazy, Yeah, that's all gonna happen. So Happy Candid
Day everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
Yeah, all the canyons. So can you make it out
of LA South? Yeah? Right, escape from LA and then
Canyon Day and until then four well I don't order
specially viewing, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
And I'm a V I'm Matt Reuter. We will see
you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
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