Episode 381 - S17E15 - Collateral Damages - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Lawn.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Beginning, What Where am I? Where? Back?

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You guys didn't know that we were gone, but we
have been gone for quite some time, and you can hear.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
You they did know that we were gone because we
would not stop talking about being gone.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
But like to you back, we didn't miss.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
A stack the content. You've been getting the content, so
everything's been fine for you. But we've been off for
a while.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I am ajor content.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Matt Reuter joining me as always the world traveler uh
who has gotten child poured all over the world and
apparently sense his his hard drive so that the dogs can.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Smell out the porn stuff.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
We can fucking talk for hours about that alone. That's
a fever beside over there. How are you doing tonight
of Eve?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
You've got the face of an angel and a body
for sin. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
She just to confirm you're you're you're under you're sixteen,
Just just confirming I want you to make it.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Just just want to make sure you're fifteen, girl.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Just want to make sure that we're on the same
page before I start doing all of this, that you are,
in fact underage.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yeah. I only do this because people are underage. How
How am I doing this week, Matt? I am doing well.
I'm back in Los Angeles, back at my at my
podcast set up. Unfortunately, no one else came out to
Canyon Day, as people heard in my Canyon Day special
episode Cowards Cowards.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
But I know, I know we're kind of being buoyed
by Epstein right now because it's like, hey, all right,
maybe there's something good that's gonna happen out of all
of this.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, right, maybe. But I'm doing okay. It's been a
crazy couple of months. Listen to our b this episode
for that. But there there's a couple of things I
want to plug real quick. I have a room sign
recommends as well. So first things first, I want to
plug the Bojangles in Staunton, Virginia, because as we were

(02:14):
on our way back after visiting my cousin in DC,
we drove through Virginia and stopped for a three piece
in a biscuit. Had to bring the dog in and
the woman behind the counter, whose name is Gwen, was
so in love with Chubbs that she gave him a
chicken finger and a full sausage egg and cheese biscuit
nice and then asked us if he could be a

(02:38):
spokes doog for not the entire Bojangles, but just that
specific Bojangles, and that she would send if we did
a photo shoot. She would send his pictures to the
franchise owner. So we did a photo shoot of Chubbs
at Bojangles, which you know, I don't like very cute

(03:00):
or adorable. Yeah, I know that. We said we'd never
do a Patreon, but sound off in the comments if
you want to do a Patreon to get some Chubbs
Bojangle's picture. So that was pretty fun. I also have
a room stign recommends, but I'm woke Superman.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Uh still haven't seen it yet, probably will wait till
it comes to HBO, but I've been hearing good things.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Unfortunately, it is very good. Unfortunate because you know it
costs hundred fifty million dollars, YadA, YadA. I'm on record,
as I think, as saying I don't really think that
there's ever been a good Superman movie. Even the seventy
eight movie I think kind of falters in places, although
I think it's it's pretty good. It's not like the Superman.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I've never seen that one either.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
It's okay. There's like a thing that I always thought
was very cheesy, and they do it. So this one
very good. This David Corn sweat Boy, he's Superman like.
It's it's great, it's fun. Rachel Brosenhan's a good Lois Lane.
I recommend seeing it the way I saw it with
French subtitles in Paris for like fucking seventeen euro And lastly,

(04:13):
but not leastly, I have a little crazy little update
about things that kind of overlap in my life. As
people know on the podcast, I'm in a band with
a guy named Josh. Josh plays in some musical theater projects.
That is where we got our THEO. THEO from is

(04:34):
one of his Star Kid shows, and I didn't realize
the team Star Kid was like extremely popular and that
Josh has like people who are fans of his now,
which is very weird because he's Josh. And so Josh
also does a musical with a sketch comedy team called smash,

(04:55):
which I'm not that familiar with. I'm familiar with a
couple of people on it. But it's called the project
is a semi monthly every other month show called Mamma
Mia Bit Different. And every month a new writer comes
in and writes up a one act play that has
to include eight Abba songs, but it has nothing to

(05:16):
do with Mamma Mia. And so obviously, if you know me,
you know that this is extremely my shit. And after
going to a couple the band was invited to be
the house band for the pop punk Mamma Me A
Bit Different. Okay, Yeah, so I have to learn, I
think at this at this point, eleven Abba songs in

(05:39):
the next thirteen days. Yeah, so it's gonna be It's
gonna be a lot, but you can you can watch
the live stream any day after August fifteenth Dynasty typewriter
dot com and it will, uh it will by far
be the warmest audience I ever played to. That's exciting, Yeah,
super exciting. Josh did a really good job arranging uh

(06:03):
these Mama Mia song these Abba songs while like throwing
two different famous pop punk songs, like one of them
is played basically to the beat of dance dance, which
is very okay. So yeah, so he did a good job.
It's basically not pop punk versions of Abba songs, but
like Abba songs mashed up with other famous pop pots. Okay, okay,

(06:27):
obviously gonna be very cool. I'm gonna wear my skinniest
jeans as well.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
You should if you can get your.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
People are gonna see my Joe the camel Toe.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Well, remember Joe the Campbell is now endorsing. He's advertising
for for trans for being reassignment surgery. So just so
you know, everyone, if you if you don't understand that joke,
there's more context in the bonus episode.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, listen to our bonus episode. He looks different now.
So how have you been, Matt? How's your six weeks been?

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Six weeks have been good?

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Again? Listen to bat episode.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Not gonna go through all of it again, but a
lot of a lot of music, a lot of concerts
that were very very good. Yeah, I went to a
probably been to a ball game since you left me
to a storm game last night. So a lot of
a lot of things happen in here.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Also, have a much more free time on your hands.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Yes, as it turns out, uh, that's one of those
things where like, you know, got up this morning, got
my cup of coffee watching the episode, and I'm like, man,
we could have just it would have been the perfect
inflection point to be like we don't have to do
we don't have to do this, Like we can keep
to do it. We don't have to go to Bristol,
we can just keep driving this episode. You don't understand

(07:41):
how close it came, which is just not to just
the show. It's like full on ending with us just
doing the goodwill hunting of just like not showing up
whatever you got back from your honeymoon.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
The fun. The fun part is I was really excited
to come back to the show and this episode didn't
did not disappoint me.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Well, I was too, and then I started watching it again.
It's like it's a wild episode. But then I'm like, ah, fuck, man,
now we got a never doing this again.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
I don't care.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't know, man, to really look yourself in the
mirror thing being like what if I done?

Speaker 2 (08:14):
You know, I love the episodes when we watch the
watch Man.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah right, But I have a Reuyter recommends as well.
I already told you about this offline, but on Prime. Yeah, Prime,
there is Shining having people season. Yes, Yes, it's like
a three three part docu series kind of thing about
some freely fucked up shit and makes a lot of
sense why we are where we are today in terms of, uh,

(08:41):
the state of the country.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
And having just driven through the God's Country. Yeah, God's country.
That the South tone it down on the Jesus guys, right,
like we get it. Who are you advertising to? Right?
Like each other? Like I think y'all got each other right.
It's just like kind of a pat on the back.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
It kind of it seems like it's some sort of
like a multi level marketing scheme where it's like, well,
if you get three people to believe in Jesus, and
they get three people to believe in Jesus, I don't know,
Jesus somehow gets money. Someone gets money somewhere the church.
Bad actors somehow get money.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I don't. I don't quite get it.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I don't I don't really get it. But yeah, I
would highly recommend that it is terrifying to see.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Pretty but and and one of these things of don't
look away.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yeah, so highly highly recommend that it'll it'll make you
want to throw things at the television, so you know,
set up your your bulletproof or phone proof glass in
front of your TV before you go about that.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, I had a fun.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Tech support experience in a way that only I do,
of working with an Apple Apple support specialist on a
live chat and then a phone call for like hours
to try to get a new remote working.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
I'm more in the tech support person that has to
talk to you.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
I was very nice, it was just just exhausting. And
I'm realizing now that it might be something that runs
in my family because my mom apparently had a similar
experience dealing with Comcast customer support on the phone, to
the point that after she was done, she was like,
I literally had to take his ANX because I was

(10:24):
so angry from dealing with them that as soon as
she got off the phone, she went and took his ANX.
And I'm like, wow, driving my mom to drug use
for dealing with Comcast customer support. That is how you
know where we are. That's that's just how you know.
So it's but no, it's been a fun filled last

(10:46):
couple of weeks here.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Though.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Very happy to see that you are back, that you
had fun. I didn't see the bonus episode. So yeah,
that's that's what's happening. I think we talked through a
good portion.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Of everything else for the last two hours. Yeah. Uh
t ld R. The world is terrible, the world's a
shitty place. Can't wait to die. No one came to
the canyon and guys, I keep I don't want to
open up this can of worms again so so widely,
but I keep hearing these like why is no one

(11:23):
talking about this? Why is no one speaking out? Miss Rachel,
the Kids performer, who has been basically weirdly on the
front lines of advocating for for the starving children in Gaza,
has been like, I don't want to work with anybody
who hasn't spoken out about this, because like silence is complicity,
blah blah blah. But like, you know, this sucks, that

(11:45):
everything sucks. It's not normal. We shouldn't accept it. Uh,
and uh, you know, there's a there's there's stuff to
there's the reason that laws exist are to curb political violence.
And when there are no laws, that is, for better
or for worse. The only inevitable conclusion.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
To what you're saying. And we're not going to go
into this there again, go for six weeks. A lot
has happened in the in the world. There's a lot
that's happened in the And again I'm gonna take a
bus to get there. But stick with me all this, you, Uh,
there's a lot that happened in the Blake and Ryan
thing that I wanted to fucking bore you with. I'm
not going to. I'm not going to. But in the
same way, I'm gonna draw a pair a parallel between

(12:28):
that between uh, the mayor's race in New York with
with Mom Donnie. And how this relates to that is
that both of these things, I think if I were
a member of any sort of establishment, whether that be
political establishment or just like the Hollywood Illuminati or whatever
like that.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
Sure the reason that I.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
Sure, the reason that I am upset with like a
Blake and Ryan or with Mum Donnie or something like that.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Is that you're upset with Mom Donnie. He's perfect, He's
our chief. I am not.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
However, there are those in the establishment that are because
these these things, the Blake and Ryan case, this mayor's race,
it really is just pulling the curtain back on how
everything actually works. Because when Mom Donnie won the Democratic
establishment party has is doing everything that it can to

(13:22):
scuttle that campaign because he's not an establishment guy.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
I also want to want to clarify this just a
little bit, which is that there is a collaboration between
the media, mainstream media and the Democratic Party because and.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
The Republican Party and just any establishment.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
In this specific yes, in this specific scenario, because of
course many many many Democrats the people, but also many
Democratic lawmakers are psyched about Mom Donnie think that it's
I think that it's a great step forward for the party, whatever, whatever.
But those are not the ones that CNN is calling
up to interview. Those are not the ones that are

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being profiled by the New York Times who say, like
mom Donnie is dangerous or whatever they're saying, whatever nonsense
they're saying. So it is it is like kind of
one hand washes the other in terms of what is
the establishment is doing all it can to correct itself right.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
And protect itself, to maintain the status quo.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
And it's not just the political party, it's like everything,
all the everything that relies on the play correct.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
So it's everything that has a symbiotic relationship with one another.
To exact, everything exactly the way that it is.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
Or parasitic depending on how you look at it.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Sure, and that's what I draw that parallel also with
the Blake Levey thing, that like all of the pr
behind the scenes stuff is now coming out to light.
The reason I say this as it relates to Gaza
is specifically there is a very good example. And I
forget who which senator this was specifically, but there was
a senator who the other day in the Senate there
was a vote to not arm Israel to continue what

(15:02):
they're doing, and rather than vote and actually try to
do something about this, this particular senator had decided to
miss the vote to go on like think of Stephen
Colbert a late night show. It will talk about how
there's nothing that she can do, and it's it's all
theater at this point, Guys, if you're not mad, you're

(15:25):
not paying attention, there is something you could do.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
It was Alyssa Slotkin who who.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Sure would the bill have passed no, but putting another
registered vote show like it shows moments. So like all
of these things that we have been told like there's
nothing we can do, there's nothing we can do, there's
nothing we can do.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
There are so many things that they can do.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
If if they wanted, if they, honest to God wanted
us to have housing, healthcare, all of this stuff, it
would happen.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
We should all just live in that ninety thousand foot
events space that Trump is building, right, But like.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Everything that's happening, remember, is intentional if we wanted to
do it. Because if you look at the things that
are popular versus not popular in this country, the majority
of things that people agree on that there's an actual
consensus on, like most of the country agrees on, don't
happen because why because people that are in power benefit

(16:27):
from things not changing and remaining as close to being
the exact same as they fucking are.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
In addition to that, that draws us another direct line
to Gaza, which is like it's.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
Not popular, Like this is extremely unpopular now.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
And Natanyahu has been doing this forever, which is any
time there's any whiff of social change or any whiff
of his corruption being yeah, yeah, punished in any way, whoops,
another attack, whoops, an October seventh happens, and so it is.

(17:03):
It is pretty the timing is pretty conspicuous with all
this stuff, And you got to ask yourself you know,
as we said in our bonus episode, who benefits who
benefits from the relentless bombing and starvation of the people
of Gaza. Who benefits the most? Naton Yahu and Jared
Kushner weirdly, so, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
The military industrial complex written, yeah, every everything that flows
from that. So, you know, I and I don't really
kind of understand how the people of the actual citizens
of Israel are, Like, dude, you are literally turning the
world to get like we already keep our head.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
In the swimmer. They are so like, as I mentioned,
you know, I have family in Israel. I'm like a
little bit more tapped into what's like happening there. And
there are Israeli newspapers there printing what's really happening. There
are demonstrations basically every day, and just like you know,
just like we as American citizens are not Trump, but

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we are sort of accountable for him, same thing over there.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Well yeah, but they're also a parliamentary system, so yeah,
and they have and they they have the ability to
actually do something about that in real time.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
There's like a so fucking it's not it's not complicated
in the way that people are like, well, it's complicated.
I mean like it is. His political maneuvering has been
so crafty over the last twenty five years, because that's
how long, basically how long he's been in power. Yeah,
where he has united the far right, super war hungry

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Israelis of course, which there are no shortage of, and
the ultra religious Israelis, who are the only people who
don't have to serve in the military, so everyone is
a mandatory conscription, both men and women in the Israeli military.
Kids are like burning their draft cards now, which is
super awesome. And then only the like ultra orthodox people,

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they don't have to send their kids. They're into the
army and put their kids at risk. And so that's
his coalition.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
How oh you mean so like the super religious and
the super far right united. Where where have we seen
that happen before? If I don't understand speaking of shutting
happy people.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
But this is this is the crazy thing that just happened,
which is that in addition to the cabinet voting to
annex the West Bank, which is like, come on, guys,
if you're gonna pretend like you're not doing a genocide,
you got to pretend a little bit harder, don't don't
put it on pay, don't write it down. It's also
it's also you're invading the wrong place. What's wrong with you?

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So they also there was a there was a movement
to sort of rein in a little bit of the
ultra orthodox not having to serve in the military. There
was like a the minister whoever's in charge of it,
was like, okay, well maybe they only have to serve
for like one year and everyone else serves for three years.

(20:04):
And they fired that guy. Yeah, so it's it is.
It is exactly the way it works here, exactly the
way it works in any country with a with a
a despot.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Yeah, it's fucking did you see that? Was it yesterday?
Day before the job numbers came out and it's.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Like, oh, yeah, the job and that now that now
the job person is fired, yeah immediately, And he's like, yeah,
I'll believe that. Yeah, so that person works for you.
The playbook is extremely old, and we just need to
understand we can't normalize things, and we got to understand
what our personal limits are and what we do after

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those personal limits have been crossed.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yeah, it's it's very frustrating because again, none of these
tactics or techniques are new in any way, shape or form,
which is why it's extremely frustrating. Whatever you're watching it
happen again being like, guys, we are already know what's
we've been doing this, we understand, like, you know, for
whatever reason, it seems like now and I realized the

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good and bad nature of this. It seems like now
And I don't know about over in Israel, but I
can speak for the United States.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
But I'm sure. Yeah, I also don't fully know, but yes, but.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Like it seems at this point that a lot more
people are waking up to the world around them and
like seeing the matrix and understanding now how all of
these things work together to maintain the statusquo and are
being like wait, hold hold on.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Hopefully then it leads us to be able to organize. Yeah. Yeah,
so cool to be back back in the country.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Good to be back doing this podcast where we just
get to talk about how terrible the world is and
then talk about novel.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Not like this episode has anything to do with how
terrible the world is. No, not at all. It has
nothing to do with corruption, our hurting children.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
Oh fucking what are we doing here? What are we
doing tonight. We're reviewing and reviewing season seventeen episode I
have it as fifteen ors at sixteen. It is fifteen
fifteen called collateral damage.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Oh boy.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Uh, and we are going to do that because we
already did the mailbag and everything in the BoatUS episode.
So we're just gonna go right into it right after
this and we're back. And isn't that great that we
such a joyous time?

Speaker 2 (22:26):
It is to be alive again. People.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
If you see me on the street, you have my
full consent to just murder me.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Just on this, just boom, just end it.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I this isn't across the board. I'm of sound mind
and body when I say this. If you see me
on the street, you have my permission. You get one
free murder of me.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
It's Matt. It's me.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
Yeah, it's it's just picture it like the it's Pat sketches.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
It's Matt. It's Matt. Just boom. What do we do?

Speaker 1 (22:58):
We're reviewing and reviewing sees. As we said for the break,
season seventeen episode fifteen of we forgot how to fucking
do this? We've been off for six weeks, uh Sea
since seventeen episode fifteen, of SVU entitled Collateral Damage. Just
a reminder to our listeners, all the episodes are availble
to watch on Hulu and Peacock. We recommend that you
watched the episode before you hear us break it down.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
This one's pretty gratifying. Yeah, it's not nice in a
certain way.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Sure, yeah, it's uh well, I'll save some of my
notes for when we get to it. But boy, watching
the surgeon with with just such precision Careesi trying to
talk to a child potential sex oh my god, like
sex abuse victim is just the worst person to put
in that room.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
He lose track of which one is the child.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
It's kinda it's kind of true. But before we get
into breaking down the episode, and the greatest tradition that
we have on this podcast, bit a minute of view.
But we're gonna give you nine. We're gonna give you
two minutes.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
You know what.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
We're gonna give you a four hundred twenty just because
we've been off for for six weeks here, so I'm
to give you one hundred and twenty seconds of Eve
and then we'll go back to ninety later. A recap
of what happened in this week's episode, So of Vive,
we're gonna put two minutes on the clock. Why don't
you tell us what the fuck happened? In this week's
episode of Best.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
For You, Okay, you guys, we're at Teddy brown Sugars restaurant.
It's bone sucking good. That is literally their catchphrase, and
Teddy brown Sugar what's his nuts? Is a former boxer
and we're in the middle of a sting operation where
Rollins has brought a very young looking academy not graduate,

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not yet graduate, to go undercover to basically see if
Teddy Hawkins will raper, and he not only will raper,
he'll raper with Rollins in the root. And so they
so they arrest Teddy and he's like, I shit you
not I was doing I was gathering evidence, and I

(24:55):
will cut a deal if I can bring in, you know,
a pedophile ring that I don't actually participate in. I
just know about because I don't participate in it. Ask questions.
They're like, cool, whatever. So they do a sting on
this pedophile ring, which seems to be just three people,
two people not of note and the third being Josh Piss'.

(25:19):
It's Hank Abraham, Deputy Commissioner Hank Abraham played by Josh Pie. Well, well, well,
if it isn't Josh Piss and his screen name, which
is baby Banger, We're gonna talk about screen names a
lot today. Weirdly bit of a retcon. Josh Piss is
married to a Da Pippacox and so they have two kids,

(25:40):
and he did it. He's guilty, He's guilty as fuck.
But at first he's like, nos, my neighbor's WiFi and
the thing opened and I couldn't close it and it
was just a mistake, and I'm very embarrassed. And they're like, oh,
what about the thousands of kitty poor and pictures and
videos we found in a hard drive taped underneath a drawer,

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And he's like, I'm going to rehab. Can we do that?
Is that a silver thank you? For the wake up call?
And for whatever reason, even though Josh Piss has literally
always been a piece of shit on this show, everyone's like, oh, man,
we kinda feel bad for him. He's got two kids
and his wife is very sad, so crying, full sobbing

(26:23):
in a restaurant while drinking wine sad. And then he
he eventually pleads after trying to kill himself and undoing
it unsuccessfully. He pleads guilty and he's They throw the
book at him, they give him let me check my
notes four years and twenty years on the sex offender Registry,
and I hope that that's the last we ever see

(26:44):
of him, Dick Wolf. Oh. Meanwhile, Mike Dodds is going
to take up promotion with the Joint Terrorism Task Force
and has a terrible die job. Or is he? Or
is heifhanger this? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
We've got some if if we had to put together
an outline, top line items dogs sniffing out child pornography
in digital form.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
This also is his last episode, the Dogs the Josh piss.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
Right well one, this is the song what with him
going to jail for four years?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Again?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
Checking go to four four years? How many that's the
state charges. My hope is that the Feds would then
step in and be like.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
Great, that's absolutely going dry for him.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
So again, uh so, porn sniffing dogs, Yes, that sounds
like a band name.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
It is now surets it should be.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
So we got porn sniffing dogs. We've got these are
our heroes. Question Mark are Uncorrupted four years.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
It's so people fascinating because when it turns out that,
first of all I guessed it was Josh pissed but
in like a very hopeful way, and it was. And
when they got him, I was like, yeah, and they're
gonna fucking stick it to him, and that all of
a sudden everyone's like, oh, but he like works for
the cops. Yeah, it's so strange.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
And third line item that I have just for my
just the initial takeaways here, stop saying we have to
make sure we do this one by the books. You
shouldn't all of them be doing them by the book?
Oh wait, that's the bare minimum. There's the book.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
It exists.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
You do it by that to make sure that people
that you are trying to convict of crimes go to
jail and their rights are protected.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
It's interesting because I would I would probably like it
better if even if it happened every episode, if they
were like, we can't go buy the book for this one.
Like if they if they acknowledge that they're supposed to
be doing something the right way and then they don't badly,
it makes better sense to me?

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Is that better?

Speaker 2 (29:02):
From like a logical standpoint, like like a storytelling standpoint. Sure,
because they're they're the fucking they can't they can't be tamed.
But this, this makes it seem like they are a
band of misfits. Yeah, they're not the fucking a team
like they to constantly be reminded that there are things
that they should do in a certain way.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Like yeah, this isn't quantum leap where it's like we
must we must write what once went wrong? Like no,
that's not you're the what do you you know the
red You understand the reason why you have to do
these things by that fucking book, right, you understand because
like you know, laws, laws, you're the law, and for

(29:46):
you are the say, you have the monopoly on sanctioned murder,
so you know, there's some responsibility that comes along. Wait
you right, you get.

Speaker 2 (30:01):
You get it. I'm sorry, I was miles away.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I I just so the ocean just that, just keep
walking into it. Here we go, all right, I'll I
guess I'll go fuck myself. Yeah it's over there, just
that way, Okay, just to the just keep walking left
and then eventually ocean.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Just keep walking left like you're an amaze, just touching
one wall.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Yeah, it's like a it's like a side scroller video game.
Just keep going in that one direction ocean.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
So, okay, we open with non rep from the headlines,
We're back Baby, and we learn about Teddy brown Sugars
patented left hook.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
So it's George for me?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
I guess so, and is t k O barbecue sauce?
Which is I have to stress bone sucking Good?

Speaker 1 (30:44):
Now I I really knowing how this ends for Teddy?

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Why oh, because he cooks it on his dick? Got it? Okay? Well,
that that was like answers that portion of that question.
I guess Amber. If Amber went through with it, there
will be barbecue sauce on on his death.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Do you think he comes barbecue sauce?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Is that racist? His name is?

Speaker 1 (31:11):
I mean, you know, how do you think he got
the nickname? He got it in his pedophile ring that
he was doing his own research on.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's that's what his h screen name is, Bone sucking Good.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
So that the other person's screen name.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Bone sucker Good. But the so Rons walks up.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
She says, backlisters, she's the slowest brow fucking humor we
can come up with.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
She basically says, my name is Crystal. This is my
niece Amber, she's a big fan of you, a washed
up boxer.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
That would be like, I don't even again. That'd be
like us today, be like I'm a big fan of yours,
mister Foreman.

Speaker 2 (31:55):
It's like yeah, but like being a fifteen year old.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Girl, right, and it's like my first note is like
because I took me a second to be like, wait,
what the fuck? Who the fuck is Oh? Oh it's
a undercover I was like, oh, Rollin's is some sort
of like a boozy ant.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
I could see that. Yeah, she does a boozy ant
so well that I thought that I may have accidentally
skipped a season or two.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I almost started last week the episode that we did before,
and I was like, wait a second, hang the fuck
go on here. This doesn't seem right. But uh no,
So they're in this like what looks like a like
a theme restaurant.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
It's a theme barbecue place. It looks kind of like
a place that I ate in Nashville.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Yeah, it's it's like a shittier looking kind of fudd
Ruckers kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, like a big star.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
With some sort of a like I don't understand the
layout of this restaurant, like and then the.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
It's got a shiny floor basement. Okay, we're gonna do
but first first, then we go. We go over to
Olivia and Finn sitting at a table, Finn with his
earpiece very clearly in and he's like that, U see
looks y oh. We uh. We actually got her from
the academy. She hasn't graduated yet. Like, I don't think
you're allowed to do that. Well shut up anyway.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
I mean there's a lot of things they're not allowed
to do that they fucking do. So you know what,
let's this one is the least degregious of them. So okay,
it's a sting operation.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
Amber is a big fan of Teddy Hawkins and she
wants to see his real title belts, which are downstairs
in his office. Matt tell me about his office.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
So first and foremost, Rollins is the one that's like, oh,
I know those I know those belts are down in
his office, which leads me to believe it's like Rawlins,
did you blow this guy? Or like, why do you
know that the actual ones are downstairs in his office
which is the basement. Weird. Also, Teddy brings Rollins like
a glass of whiskey.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
And the you need to check id. Yeah, and the girl.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
I'm like, that's a pretty stiff drink for a fucking teenager.
Is just a straight, just glass of fuck.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's a it's a long island ice. He has a
long island island style that's also fucked up. And she's like, oh,
it is a glass full of alcohol. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, there's nothing but alcohol in that. So it's like, oh,
they're downstairs, downstairs. I don't this is I I don't.
I don't even know how to describe it. It's a
gigantic room with with a desk and a camera and like.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
A shiny red floor, so you think you can dance,
but also it's like a barn door.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah. Like the so so Teddy is like, hey, I've
got a I've got a friend who does some modeling.
Can I take some pictures of you and I'll send
it to him? And I'm like, this is just gross. Meanwhile,
at this point, Robin's is wearing a camera or.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Something because they talk on like a necklace. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
That's yeah, that's what it was. I was like, is
it in glasses? Now she's not wearing glasses. It's whatever.
So they're all watching, uh, so careesy fin and live
or just watching this like on an iPhone being like, oh,
we don't have a visual but we've got that camera.
But meanwhile read the audience are just in the room with.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Them, right. I think it's because like that there's no
service down I don't know whatever and so whatever, so
uh he checks. He asks her her age. She says,
I'm almost sixteen, my sister in christ. If you're gonna lie,
make it believable.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, it's believable enough for Teddy.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Who's just give a ship.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Take this picture? Hey, what' you pop that shirt off there?

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And and and she looks to like Auntie Crystal, and
Auntie crist is like, if it's what Teddy wants, like
Ron's is just gonna sit there and watch him raper.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And this is also where I'm like, Teddy, Teddy, my man,
like you in the world that you think is happening?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
That's her aunt and you does he think that he's
gonna fuck him? Both?

Speaker 1 (35:49):
At the same time, I'm thinking that's maybe what he's
trying to get at, because otherwise that would just be weird.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
What is what is your strategy? My guy fits? And
so I am the extremely extremely ready for Teddy to
just pull out a badge and arrest Rollin's for pimping
out her niece. That's not what happens, though he does
kind of try. This is what I'm saying, is like,
like all of my jokes are coming true.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Well, he's like, yeah, what you want to take that
bra off too? And she's like okay, and then he's like, yeah,
I'm gonna take my dick out now.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
And that's what Rolins is like, all right, now it's
time to arrest your swarm. Swarms swarm. Yeah. And so
when they all leave, it looks like Amber, who we
don't ever find out her real name. I hope it's
not Amber, just for like her safety looks a little shaken,
and Rollins is like, just so you know, let this

(36:40):
be a lesson to you. All your heroes die, and
that's never really addressed. I was waiting for her to
be like I want a lot of money on Teddy
Hawkins back in the day or whatever, but like nothing,
Well I wanted to know.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Like was that cadet or officer whatever, Like was she
actually a fan of his?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
There's no, I mean, because otherwise that doesn't make any sense.
It also like, okay, did they go to.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
The academy of like who here is a fan of
Teddy Brown sugar boxing guy?

Speaker 2 (37:08):
But like, don't let that person be the person that arrests.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
It's like, why would you choose the person that's an
actual fan of the person that you're gonna go sting?
You know, like that's you could have done any but
why would you say, like why is why does she
have to actually be a fan?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
That's a great question, couldn't It's never never addressed.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
All make believe rollins. You're not actually the boosy ant
name Crystal. You get that right? You understand that.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I don't think she does. Oh no, oh no, this
is so wrong on so many levels. So that that's
our theme and I shit you not? I got a
commercial for b flat be flat No kidding? Yeah, okay,
so we come back from we come back from our
theme and uh and I cut you off, but you're
you're gonna tell us.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
So there were in the interrogation room and Teddy's got
a lawyer and his argument is basically like this is
't trapman, I just wanted to see how far you
were gonna let it go, I was gonna make a
citizens arrest. Yeah, He's like, I was going, I want
to see how far you'd go before I was going
to make a citizens arrest. And it's like, what, like, no,

(38:18):
no one, no one fucking believes that, like at all.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
And then it was also I didn't know how old
she was. His face doesn't even believe it. He's just
like grinning ear to ear.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
It's like, that's gonna be my argument, and I'm fucking
the George Forman equivalent.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
So people on the stand, I guess, and Olivia says
to Barbara, they're like watching this interrogation, and she's like
Teddy Hawkins, the former boxing champ, a former boxing champ, Like,
have someone do a google. You know that there's like
weight classes, and like you, if you want to sound

(38:56):
like you know what you're talking about, you don't say.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, just put like heavyweight in front of that.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Yeah, And then that's fine. And so Josh Pess comes in, well, well,
well if it isn't Josh Piss, and he says, you know,
we really we need a win. We really want to
purp walk this guy one pp wants him schlonged.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I didn't hear that but I don't know what he said.
He did say something that I didn't catch that.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
He says, uh, they want his his pun him, which
means his face to be on every newspaper in the city.
And like, I don't want to ask too many questions
about why they're playing up the fact that Hank Abraham
is Jewish on the episode where he's revealed to be
a pedophile.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
It was an interesting choice. I was going to ask
you about this.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, I'm not I mean, I'm not going to I'm
not going to pull a Sydney Sweeney jeans ad and
say hey, why are you doing this right now? But uh, yeah, hey,
but right now.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Why are you doing this right now? Just asking asking
for a friend.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
And then Olivia goes in and says, okay, we're we're
gonna purp walk you and his lawyers like what why what?
You're still being He's still being interviewed, and Olivia says,
the NYPD needs a win. I don't think you're supposed
to say that in front of the defense attorney.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, it's also a weird way to phrase, like you're
the what is that you're what?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
What exactly does that mean?

Speaker 1 (40:21):
Does that mean that you're just like, we've made no
arrests in the like, what do you coming up?

Speaker 2 (40:29):
What do you like? It's what do you what do
you like?

Speaker 1 (40:31):
You're having a real slump at the plate. What the
fuck are you talking about? You're the cops like.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
The But also all that aside. Let's say this goes
to trial and the lawyer puts Olivia up on the
stand and says, hey, did you tell me that the
NYPD needs a win and that's why you arrested my client.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Also, aren't you guys riding high off of the fucking
you caught the one of the two fucking manhunt people
like with the Chicago.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Like listen, if you if you half the pitches that
are ever thrown to you, that's Hall of Fame numbers,
All of Fame numbers. And so he says that he's
going to offer up an online pedophile ring that he
knows about. It's three people, Yes, he knows about. It's
not a ring, it's triangle.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
I'm I'm not involved with it. I'm just familiar with
these people.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
Don't ask, don't ask how I know about that? And
then we go away from this interrogation, making me think
that it's over. But it turns out it's not to
the gym where Mike Dodds is working out because he
got shot. I forgot he got shot, and there's like

(41:39):
a hot personal trainer rehead person and his father, Commissioner Dodds.
Chief Dods is like, is like, hey, do you want
to fuck my son? He just got shot on the.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Job, And then she just takes takes a dumbbell from
him and just walked away. I'm like, that's a smart
girl right there.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Yeah, that dumbell is a defensive weapon. Yes, and Mike
Dods has a bad die job, but that doesn't stop
Chief Dods from offering him a job at the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. And he's like, SVU is a stepping stone.
You're a hero now you can leave those losers in

(42:23):
the dust. But the way it staged makes it look
like they're about to kiss.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
I don't know if I necessarily clocked that kiss kiss kiss,
so also didn't He's like, oh, yeah, you get on
the Joint Terrorism Task Force, then you're like, the sky's
the limit for you. You can write your own ticket. I'm like, didn't.
Isn't that where they sent live whenever she was pregnant
was the Joint Terrorism taskbord.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Like, I think he's leading the task force now. Oh.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
I was gonna say, it's like so it'll be such
a career promotion. But when Live did it, it lightered
her directly back at sv I mean, she's leading it now,
but like that's not.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Really wasn't it was? It was a lateral move. Yeah,
the way that.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
It's described versus what actually happens. I'm like, hang the
fuck on here, let doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
And dodd says he's just getting used to SVU and
his father, Chief Dodds says one of his famous sayings,
never get comfortable. Another thing my father always says, never
get comfortable. Okay, so my.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
Dad always throws on poor and whenever I walk in
the room and I'm just like, I'm not comfortable, Yeah, uncomfortable.
So we go, why are you doing this? You're making
me uncomfortable. Never be comfortable, son.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
We go back to the interrogation and Teddy Hawkins is like, listen,
I know about this pedophile ring because people offer me
videos all the time. I'm Teddy Brown Sugar Hawkins.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
So everyone's like, oh wow, Teddy brown Sugar Hawkins, Great,
can I have your autograph? Also, here's kids fucking.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Here's yeah, here's here's child porn. So the lawyer's like, okay,
let's do this whole deal, but hold off on the arraignment.
And Barbera's like no, She's like, well, we don't want
to tip off the rest of the pedophile ring that
I have to stress my client is not which does
make some sense, doesn't It does make sense, but like

(44:04):
in that if you push on it a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
I mean, it's not sturdy, but it's standing.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Yeah. So they find this, I guess it's like a
server called cradle robbers dot com with a Z. Just
reminded that NBC had to buy that domain name.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
And so it's literally it's three people and they're catching
them as they are.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Up two people at first.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Well they they have three names. They go after two
people and there they wait for them. It's like, oh,
the good stuff, according to mister brown sugar, uh, doesn't
get posted until after midnight.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
It's like a cue, We're gonna let it all hang out. Yeah,
he said, the juicy stuff.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I'm like, don't if you are not, I'm notolved, have stress.
I'm not involved with this juicy, delicious, very gratifying sexy
children that I don't fuck. I I cannot stress to
sit up, so they they wait. I guess the NYPT
just waits outside of the apartments, waits until they see

(45:05):
the signal like the upload bar start going up, and
then they just kick the door in correct.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
And so they're about to give up on the last
person because he hasn't logged on yet. His screen name
is baby Banger. Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Like?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Why why isn't it just like I don't know, fan
of not child.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Pornoga Alita lover eight, like I don't like, I don't
I wouldn't know, and and I have to stress, I'm
not coming from an area of any expertise. But if if, if,
if I'm a guy that is it is gonna partake
in horrible, disgusting child pornography. I'm not gonna make my

(45:48):
screen name like I love child born.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Child porn addict.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Even if you're one of the people that like that,
like tries to rationalize it and defend it, it, you
wouldn't call yourself baby banger.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
No, it's not like freebasing child porn nine yet at
at fuck this child dot.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Met like kol dot com, right, like why.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Why not just be like anonymous one yeah at child
porn dot org. That's right, it's a five O, one
C three, don't ask.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It's so well, those kids are getting fucked for free,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Well that's that's that's true. Some with money's changing hands somewhere.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
It's just kids.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
They see none of it.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
And so I wrote, wrote my notes. I don't know
why I had this sixth sense, but I wrote my notes.
Tell me it's Josh Piss. Please let it be Josh Piss.
Oh my god. They bust into the apartment and it
is not. It is an old man who was a
sleep watching QVC and they're like, where's your computer? And
he's like, I'll do you want better? What's a computer?

Speaker 1 (46:57):
And it's like, oh boy, here we go and they're like,
where's your modem. He's like, I again, I don't what
is what is that? My neighbor did something in my closet,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And he's like, they're like, there's something coming from your
eye from your IP address and he's like, IP address,
what is this? IP at this address? About four times
a night we're back baby.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
They're like, god damn it, you old old fuck is
like my neighbor puts something goodbye closet like that stuff
weird at all. And then they look up. But this
is maybe the best fucking part here. They look at
some machine base and then the graphic of like the
signals coming from over there.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
It looks like the beginning of Escape from New York.
That kind of does. So they go they go next door.
Wouldn't you know it? It's a d a pip A
Cox and they're like, hey, pipp A Cox, can we
come in under false pretenses? And she's like, sure, my
husband's working. They open the husband's office door and it's Josh,
it's Hank Abraham. Did we know that they were in? No? Okay,

(47:59):
good we not.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
And he does the real quick just like close, tries
to close the computer real quick.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
A thing when that you do when you're famously not
watching pornography.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yes, and uh, fether all just kind of looking at
him being like, well, this is awkward because you know
what you were doing, and we know what you were doing,
and Pippa Cox doesn't know what you were doing, so
we don't really know what to do here other.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Than be like, why just watch you're under arrest for
child porn. I think we go to another commercial and
wouldn't you know it, another ad for b.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Flat like this this moment in the episode when we
get back, it's like it's a it's really like that moment,
or it seems like it for a second. It's like
that moment in RoboCop whenever they RoboCop realis is that
he can't go against anyone that works for OCP and
just like shuts down. They're like, m I guess we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Call Live and Live. This could go wrong in a
lot of ways. What the fuck do you mean by that?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Because Josh Bass is like, ah, yeah, so did Live
tell you to fuck off?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
And roll?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
Just like no, she's on the way here at Josh
Biss is like, oh, I really miscalculated this, haven't.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I I have overplayed my hand, which my dick was
in a second ago. Oh no, oh no. And so
Tucker shows up too, because even though he's not a cop,
even though Hank Abraham isn't a cop, he still works
for the police. So Tucker is still there. I think
Tucker was just with Live and they need an excuse
me show up like five minutes after me, so it

(49:33):
doesn't look weird.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
No, do I have sex hair, It's just.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
No hair, So uh live say that. I know, I know.
So liv also calls Hank Abraham an angry prick, which
is true, but then she's like, don't cuff him in
front of his family?

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Yeah, like they really for the one that because they
say this numerous times in this episode, like literally, everyone
hates this guy. Everyone, No, his wife, his kids hate him, like.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
This fucking Hebrew.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
You know, I didn't say that, but.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
That's the show basically did one could say that about this?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
But then they're all like no, but don't like why,
Like why wouldn't like if if? And when the finale,
when we find out that Stabler is the most notorious
child rapist in this the history.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Of happening, it's going to be because the show hasn't ended,
it's still.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
It's still in play, in play, it'll never end, and
we got Stabler back now, so like in the universe.
So I'm I'm not saying, I'm just saying, but like
you would, you would be more upset that one of
your own went bad as opposed to just a random
guy off the street.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
You don't hold them to a lower standard because they're cops.
You hold them to a higher standard. How hard is
that to understand?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Isn't that fucking funny the concept of, oh, you should
hold those that are in power to a higher standard.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Huh, couldn't possibly. And so but it also proves that
they will go so far to protect someone that works
for the cops that they they super know that this
guy's guilty, and he's also been a piece of shit
one of the time, and yet they're like, many works,
he's our coworker.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
And it also like, I just I must point out
the fact that because it's SVU handling this whatever it
went from, the NYPD really needs a win. What's that
The svu's on it. So that means the NYPD is
coming out as a net.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Loss on this one, super super loss, ye in the
red by a lifetime. So they have the cops show
up and Hank Abraham's son Jordie is like, Dad.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
Why Daddy, why do you have to leave us?

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It's police bus, Jordy, don't you worry about it? Which
I thought was fucked up until I heard what the
mom says to them in a second. But first we
see uh, there's nothing, no way around it. A porn
sniffing dog.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
I like, they get Pippa and the kids out, they
take Josh Piss down to the station. So they're like, Okay,
we've got to have the warrant and everything like that,
and even Tucker is like, well, you got to go
get a new warrant.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Because while the other guy's house it's like extra circumsanks
fine and rolls like it's yeh way, I think that's
pretty good probable cause when like the porn is coming
from the other side of the wall.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Right, and that's it's this interface shows you exactly where
it's coming from. But there's like ninety people that are
coming in get ready to toss the house. And again
this is where over to the point that someone is
walking around with a camera just to make sure.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
That is very weird, very unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
But there's like sixty people doing this and everyone just
keeps saying, make sure you're doing this by the book,
do it by the book. It's like it's said so
many times. And then Fit is like, the dogs found something,
and my note is, what the fuck does that mean? Also,
are there also drugs in this house? Where like it's
He's like I was on a drug fueled.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Maybe plain to me it's not worth a google poor
and sniffing dogs. Explain to me how that works, especially
because it's not a hard drive.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
And we we come into the other room, into the bedroom,
and they have so they didn't act on what the dog.
The dogs found something indicated they found something, and the
handler did not check to see what that something was
waited for someone else.

Speaker 2 (53:41):
That's all I do is hold the leash, yep and
the dog.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
If we flip over the drawer and see that there
is taped to the bottom of the drawer to gigantic
looking like terror byte size hard drives.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Like those actually look like the four terabyte hard drives
that I use for not poor, for other for work things.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Well some some I mean, yeah, as but as you do.
And this is where my notes were, just what the
fuck was that dog smelling?

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I Also, they keep calling them flash drives. They're hard
not flash drives. Their solid state drives. Maybe don't don't
get all fancy. But meanwhile, the kids are before they
before they get removed from the house. The little boy
Jeordie is like, why are there so many cops here?

(54:31):
Are we in trouble? Was it terrorists? And so, once
again I'm Jewish, I can say this. It's on record
that Hank Abraham has a picture of him with Benjamin
Netanyahu in his office. So when the kid says was
it terrorists, what he means is was it Arabs? Because

(54:55):
if your buddies with baby Netan Yahoo, you're telling your
kids some fucked up shit about Arabs and you like
kid porn, you know, so it's this is.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
So I'm I cannot get over. So the dog can
smell pixels? Does porn have a scent?

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Yeah, it's shame. The dog sense is shame. And then
the little girl tries to pet the dog, and Icey's like,
you cannot pet that dog. It's at work. It's sniffing
your dad's kitty porn, I guess, And so they they bring.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
The where's the dog sniffing the girl? It's like, well,
I think you were. Also, maybe there was some people
that looked like you on the hard drives, so maybe.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
You chocolate ice cream all over your face.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I think that this was the that dog's last day
on as a as a police's sniffing dog.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
I think Raham hadn't executed Uh. So as they're taking
the kids out of the house, they're crying, they're they're upset,
and Peppa Cox, their mom says, don't worry, it's all
a bad dream. That is a deeply fucked up thing
to say to your kid.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, because uh, that's that's gonna be fucked up later
in life, if not currently in life dealing with this,
because like, what do you I like one part about
this episode that I will say is I kind of
like because we don't get it. Often is show like

(56:28):
kind of the other side of We see our detectives
go and arrest pedophiles and people like that, and we
don't really see the other side of it, of like
what it does to the family of the person that
if they have one.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
So it's interesting from that perspective. And I think that
the only reason that we get that is because he's
works for the cops, right exactly. That's the only which
is like, not a good reason to get the thing,
but I get what you mean.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
And again, so it's like, oh, it's you know, if
it's some random we're gonna throw the book at him.
But if it's not, we're just gonna be corrupt and
be like oh, don't we feel so bad? It's like, no,
it's look at Prime yeah and him yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
And frankly, if I'm a prison abolitionist, it means I'm
also a person abolitionist for this for sort of justice.
But like it's interesting, it's just interesting who we choose
to be uh sympathetic towards. So Barbara like basically kicks
in the door of the of the interrogation room, is like, Hank,
what in God's name have you been doing? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
And Hank has retained Roger Kressler.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, Ned Eisenberg and Eisenberg. Kressler says he's here as
a courtesy, just to clear some stuff up. And I'm like,
I don't think so. I think he's fucking arrested.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Yeah, It's like I don't think he's given you the
full skin because because this is where Josh business is like, look,
it's the classic like Boomer, I don't understand how to
use a computer type situation where it's like people send
me things. I click on a picture wouldn't go away,
and then another one popped up and then I then
I closed it out and it was very embarrassing.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
He actually says something before that, which is like I
was hacked, which is of course when you get caught
with like with like nudies on your phone and no, honey,
I was hacked. Yeah, someone sent me nudies and even
Pimpotcox is like, we got housekeepers, we got maintenance guys,
we got delivery guys. How hard would it be to
hack into Hank's system and h and deliver kitty porn remotely?

Speaker 1 (58:27):
And Olivia's I mean, like in theory, sure, that's for trial,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
Olivia's face is like, I don't, I don't know, like.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
I get it. I understand. You're you're you're looking for
anything to hang onto here. So this is where Barbara
reveals in the room. It's like, okay, so you're saying
this happened tonight.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Great, an image popped up. I couldn't close it. I
wasn't on the the police department Wi Fi because my
modem was down and I may have tried my neighbor's
modem by mistake, and it was there was a wormhole.
A worm hole, alright.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
The war ball and fucking this is where Barba's like,
and the nineteen hours this week that you've spent on that. Yeah,
and that's where if you look at Kressler space, that's
where he's just.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Like oh fuck, oh yeah man.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
And this that's where Barba's like, Keunseler, would you like
some more time to talk to your client because it
kind of seems like.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
And then he does it again with the uh the
thousands of of things, the thousands of images found in
a hard drive under the under the drawer. He's like, yeah,
oh fuck man.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
It's like, well, uh yeah, we're gonna we need another minute,
I guess to talk about this.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
So the mom Pippacox is like, I want to be
there when you interview my kids asking whether their father
touched them, and Olivey is like, you, of all people
should know that we cannot do that. We absolutely cannot
do that.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Yeah, because Pippa Cox, we've seen her before on the show,
but they specifically highlight that she works for in like
defend the Defending Children Brigade or fucking whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
So go figure.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
That's why she's a Republican, is that she's like, I'm
in the re I'm in the protecting children thing while
actively covering up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
All of this show my husband my HUSBANDO. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
So liv is like, you know you can't do that,
and she's like, well, as as their mother and attorney,
then I'm going to be on the other side of
the glass. And this is why I was like, okay.
So we cut to Rollin's talking to like their four
year old daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
This okay, this is this is absolutely insane. Why wait?
So the way that this works, and they do it
twice so they're like, hey, little girl, have you has
your dad ever done anything to you that you don't like?
Or has anyone in your family done anything to you
that you don't like? And she's like, oh, my brother

(01:00:52):
doesn't share his toys. And then she gets like all
kind of like snifflely and she's like, and my dad
he did this thing one on the couch. We're on
the couch. He was reading me a bedtime story and
then and everyone's leading for us, like I'm dead, and
then he fell asleep and started snoring and I didn't
like that, and everyone's like, oh, thank god, he's not

(01:01:13):
a pedophile. I'm like, okay, but he is. And also like,
is that supposed to feel like a joke? Are we
are we supposed to be like incredibly relieved because then
they do the exact basically the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Again, well it's not the exact same Well yes, but
the person asking the questions is careesy, which is sending
a surgeon in with a sledgehammer. Rather than a fucking scalpel, this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
A sledgehammer that he's using backwards.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Somehow, this thundering idiot is like, hey, uh did that
have a touch you?

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And he's like what, He's like, you're dad? Does he
you know? Does he fucking jerk you off? Sometimes? Now
you jerk him off? He jerks you off?

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Do you want jerk off?

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Kid?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Am I a criminal? What's happening?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Remember what carease? He was like, uh, frequenting child porn websites,
being like, oh, it's for research.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
I'm doing my old research. I'm fucking Peter Townsend. And
the kid's like no. And then again we go back
to the bomb, who's like, oh, thank god, he just
works too much.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
But he does do this thing that I don't like.
And again it's everyone leans forward, right. So the fact
that they like keep doing that means it's either playing
supposed to play as like a joke, or like they're
just like pressing seeing how many times they can press
that button, which is not more than once.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Well, also it turns out is twice they press that button, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Well it doesn't really work the second time, so well
it didn't really work the first time. True. They go
back to talk to Hank Abraham and his lawyers, like,
we have decided to stop participating in this conversation. So
they they array him. They ask for fifty thousand dollars bail,
which is pretty low for someone who has a picture
on his mantle with Benjamin net and Yahoo just saying

(01:02:58):
also to post Sky Place, say.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
You only need to post ten percent of that for
a bail bondsman. So really five grand, that's that's not
that much in the scheme of it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
But Papa's life has gotten significantly worse. The kids are
at her parents and in Pennsylvania of all places, and she, uh, well,
in her words, I'm on leave pending transfer that doesn't
involve contact with juveniles and saxophonders.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
It's like, yeah, I mean that you understand why though, right,
Like there's a lot of because this is where she
has the freak out where it's like my kids are there,
like I missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
It's like it's a walk and talk with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Her and Live because after they come out of the arraignment,
the press is there and Finn kind of holds them off,
and Live and pimp Acocks go down like the back
stair well slash like storage room area because there's a
bunch of boxes. I don't really understand that's a fire hazard,
but that's neither here or there. But this is a
pic of I think this is actually pretty well acted

(01:04:03):
by both Live and Pippa Cox. Here where she's having
like a freak out where she's like I'm not fucking okay,
which again, yeah that would not okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
That you would not be okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know you're and yeah, she's yelling about that, and
this is where then she like turns like kind of crazy.
Then she like turns to Live. She's like you you
did this. It's your fun, it's your fucking fuck. This
is payback because you fucking hate him, and Lives like
girl like I so I So it's like that scene

(01:04:34):
in the Birdcage where it's like I'm a short, fat
ugly thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
It's like I made you short.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
It's like I put the the pornography in the hard drives. Yeah,
and then dead Pippa Cox just has the breakdown of like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Which you know she's gonna it's good for her.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
She hasn't burned up any like the goodwill towards her
doing insane shit on this show yet, so you know,
I'm I'm feeling I And again this is the part
where it's like, it's interesting because we don't ever get
this perspective on this show of like the Family Man,
very very rare because it's always whenever if this happens,

(01:05:17):
There's been other episodes that this has happened where the
cops will immediately be like, there's no way, how could
she not know?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Yeah, you know, and then like she's stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Right, And then if they liked if this, you know,
if the the wife says this, they always view that
person with such like disdain and anger as she's gube
right right, And but now it's because it's quote one
of ours.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
And we know from previous experience with her, they know
from previous experience with her that she's like not an idiot. Yeah.
Once again, they're just like assuming that everyone who exists
beyond their like few as an idiot. As as Matt
loves to say, do you have object permanence? They do
not yeah, and so and so she says, this is

(01:06:03):
about payback. What else could it be? And Olivia says,
you know, it's not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
What else could it be? Well, there is there is
one glaring.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Thing that couldn't possibility that of what it could be.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
I'll wait for you to get there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And so we cut too commercial and come back and
Pipple looks roof. She's wearing the like big celebrity eyeglasses,
Bono sunglasses and uh, and there's a ton of press
in front of her house and she's like this my
life sucks now, thank you very much. Because Barbara is
walking to her apartment building correct to interview Abraham, who's

(01:06:41):
out on like house arrest. Yeah they got him out. Yeah, yeah,
he's out on bail.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
And Barbara's like, hey, hey girl, how how you doing?
And she's like, girl, not not great, Barbara, if you
can fucking believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:55):
Uh, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
He's the husband's up there with Kressler, and Barbara was like, yeah,
that's why I'm here. And he's like how how how
are your how are your kids? And she's like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Bad, horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
We're all like and then she's like, but thank you
for asking.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
Yeah, well thanks for your concern. So they they talked
to Hank Abraham and he's like, I want to thank
you guys. You've given me a wake up call, the
one that I needed. My life got out of control
and I'm talking to a very uh reputable therapist and
turns out I was addicted to child porn and.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I'm gonna go to rehab.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
We good here, All's well, that ends.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Well, And even Kressler like the look on his face
is as he's saying all this, He's like this dog
it don't hunt. It's not gonna work. And this is
where Barbara's just like, well, so great, uh do you
you you do?

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
Really, that's not gonna it's that dogging, that's that's not
We can't which we're well, we're well pasted. You do
understand you're in a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Of fucking troubling right who you are.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
And this is where Barbara reveals He's like, look, man,
if you don't plead this out, like I'm getting heat
from the Feds. They want your aoint basically, so you
can deal with me. But if you choose not to,
the Feds are just gonna drop the hammer on you.
And that's when he turts to Crestl. He's like, you
see bluffing. Cresler's like no, and I want, I really

(01:08:23):
want the scenes of Kressler and him talking to me
like you don't understand this is serious.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yeah, you're so fucked dude. And he's like, give me
a chance to save my my my family. And Barba's like,
I don't know what you think this is, Like what what?

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
What in your mind is what's just saving your family
look like to you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
So I know, because because whatever it is, it ain't happening.
So Barba says that they're gonna give him the maximum,
which is twenty to thirty, but he also says that
there is a five year that, like if they throw
them at him, it's five years for every photo. And
he had thousands of folk photos and so the maximum
is thirty years. I'm like, six hole photos great.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
On two hard drugs, two fours raby hard drives. The
here's the thing, there's such high resolution people.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
They're like the pictures of the from the James Webb space.
So yeah, Josh Pisson, Project Hill Mary. Meanwhile, oh, by
the way, Gosling has did an interview about a Project
Hill Mary that makes me want to see it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
You should read the book first.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
I should. I should? Uh So, Hank Abraham's like, was
it Teddy Hawkins who turned me in? And Barbara's like,
you know, I can't tell you know, I can't say that,
but yeah, also, wait a second, why were you trying
to railroad him? Then? Yeah, why did.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
You come in to the when he got arrested? It'd
be like, hey, good job is for you? And then
like ask has he said anything else?

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:09:53):
Was he was he going in there to trying to
figure out? Like I gotta leave the fucking country because
if Teddy starts talking, I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Like maybe, but why were you? But then why didn't
you run? Or at least at the very least be like, ah,
he's a liar. Don't believe anything he says. Got to
go by right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
It just it doesn't make any fucking sense. The consistency
of like how this character acts and the things that
he says.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
Versus insane insane it's okay. And then but speaking of inconsistency,
he's like, I didn't hurt a child if I knew anyone,
if I knew anyone who was doing this to a child.
I would turn them in And Barbara's like.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
But you but you are like He's like, yeah, I
don't know. Yeah, because Barbara says like, if you can
point us towards like a bigger distribution ringer, like the
people that are producing this, He's like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I don't because because I have morals and I would
not stand for that, Like, what the fuck are you
talking about, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
It's like again, it's it's the self rationalization, the mental
gymnastics that people have to do where it's like, well.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
I'm not actually hurting anything, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Heard again, I'm consuming something that means that I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Do think that there is a distinct difference between receiving
child porn and making child porn, Like of course there is, right,
but it's it's you're not in different sports here.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
No, And it's also kind of it's the there's no
such it's it's not a one to one, but it's
like yeah, but there's also like no such thing as
ethical consumption under capitalism, particularly when it comes out of
child porn as well, where.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
It's like that's that's like the prime example in fact, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:29):
Yeah, Like no matter where you are in that chain
of like from start to finish of the production and
distribution of that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
It's still you're creating for it. Yeah, and also like
he was wasn't he uploading or downloading?

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
He was uploading, they were getting when they were uploading.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Yes, it's like, look, it's like drive wire.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It fucking it's seems it's I don't know how these
things work.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
So just when things are getting good, we go over
to Mike Dodds who has a walk and talk with Olivia. Uh,
they definitely shot this to go in basically any episode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, okay, so they these all of the Dods scenes
they have, they have absolutely it's a it's a parallel
story that has nothing to do with anything correct.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And so he's like, hey, Olivia, my dad wants me
to take this promotion and I don't know if I
want to because I like making your life harder. And
Olivia's like, it's not your decision, or it's not it's
not your father's decision, it's yours. And he's like I
can't really can't really tell him that, And that's the
scene that's the whole seem.

Speaker 1 (01:12:37):
Yeah, and he's like, look at my flashy sling.

Speaker 2 (01:12:40):
My arm is in look at my bad die job, Like,
did they do we slings? Are we still doing slings?
We're doing slings?

Speaker 1 (01:12:48):
Baby, haven't we advanced medicine enough where like the sling?

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
Really like the sling?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
I don't know, it seems like such a low tech thing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
So we go. We have another Pipa Cox scene in
a restaurant where she.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Has already been crying. It's her and Live and she
and Pipa Cox has got a glass of wine to
beat the band.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Yeah, fucking goldfish bowl of wine and tears streaming down
her cheeks and she's like, how could I have been
so stupid?

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Well, she starts saying like, thanks for meeting me. I
don't have anyone else I could talk to her about this,
like the lead investigator on your husband's case, person you
can talk to about.

Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
This, and the uh. Olivia's response is, you know, men
like this are really given secret compartmentalizing. They're good at
hiding it. And Pippa Cox is like, I'm so stupid,
and Leanne leaned over to me and said, that's when
my mom would say, yup, that was pretty stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
I also it's this scene is shot in an interesting
way because they shoot live normally, but they shoot PIPA
Cox from a down angle on like out of a Dutch.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Angle that I'm like her, her life is going to hell.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
Right, And I was like, interesting, okay, it's this reminds
me of like shots from like Mission Impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
They also yeah, the first of the palmel One. They
also do that with with Hank Abraham when he Barbara
does the ropodope on him and is like, what about
the hard drives? There's like this low angle Dutch wide
angle lens where he's just like, I'm so fucked. Yeah.
So Olivia talks to Tucker. Who's she Who's she talking to?

(01:14:31):
When she says she has sympathy for him? It is Tucker, right,
it might be Barbara, might be Barbara where she's like,
I know I shouldn't have sympathy for this guy, but
I'm like, why do you have sympathy for this guy?
What is wrong with you? Right? It's he has done
nothing but bad? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
You you you are SVU for fuck's sake, Like you
go after people?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Why when have you?

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Like because if that's like like you really need to
do some some self reflection to be like why do
I care about this guy? Like you shouldn't be a
cop anymore, like I'm sorry, like you, you have lost
the plot entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
But but but by this extension, because all cops, at
least in this universe and definitely not in real life
wink are only looking out for each other and only
have sympathy for each other. Even when the person that
they are talking about is an objectively horrible person, they'll
still like feel bad for them and give them different treatment.

(01:15:30):
Like that means no one should be cops mean well,
I mean, so, the news breaks that Teddy Hawkins was
involved in a underage drinking arrest. This is the from
the beginning of the episode, and he's looking at one.
He pled guilty to one mistermeanor a misdemeanor account of

(01:15:54):
improper dealings with a minor, and he started a one
million dollar fund for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
To prevent under drugs and alcohol and it's like, okay,
you Dodds and Dodds Senior are sitting at the bar
and this is where Dodds Junior is just like, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
If it gets him to stop raping kids, and that's
a big if. But if it gets him to stop
raping kids, that is a more of a net positive
than putting him in jail. The million dollar fund, I mean, sure, yeah,
but the Dodds Is are talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
And this is where Dodds Senior is just like, yeah, Dad,
I'm gonna stick with this for you, so fuck you.
He's like, well, Son, there's very few things in life
that are just going to be handed to you, what
with nepotism and all. Don't mind where you are right now,
it has nothing to do with me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I assure you you earned this.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
Yeah, like it's it's it's a nothing seen. It's fucking
it's so dumb. Why like a I forgot Dodds kind
of existed again, We've not been doing this for six weeks.
And he also got shot, so like fine, but why
hang a land on it?

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Especially when they're looking at the TV and their reaction
is like the guilty got away again? Like why why is?
Why does he get away? And and Abraham's looking at
hard time. I don't fucking know. Maybe because they didn't
find any child porn at all in any of Teddy
Hawkins's house and they stung him and listen obviously, well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I look, did you sound like a real apologist? Like no, no, no,
he was literally just doing research produce child pornography.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
But like, don't then be like, oh, poor Hank abrahams
getting railroaded, Like that's not the takeaway.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
I don't think anyone is saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
I thought that Dodd's senior was saying that. Really, I
that's that was my reading of it. Yes, huh, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I didn't read it that because there was also a
there was a line earlier from Barbara whenever they were
talking to Hank Abraham where he because Abraham's like, what
if I give everyone up? And he said, like the
rat already got all the cheese. Where it's like, I
can't make a deal with you because he flipped first
to get you. So you know how this fucking works.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
Yeah, yeah, and and we already got everyone else in
your ring, all other two people in your ring. And
so don't worry. Because he tries to kill himself, tries
to end his life. We don't see any of it,
but off screen, he slits his wrists off screen and
he makes it. He's he's lost a lot of blood,

(01:18:33):
but he'll make it. And you know this, poor wife's
like I was just there to pack to get my ship,
and I found him bleeding on the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Yeah, it's a real Natalie Portman and the heat situation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
It feels like, speaking of how long do you wait?
So you are personally or does can wait? That's freaking
not Mike Man anyway, so not speaking of So okay,
you are the wife of a Josh pissed type who
you just admitted to yourself is an absolute child porn fiend.

(01:19:11):
And you get hold and he's laying bleeding on the
floor having slit his wrists. How long do you wait
before calling nine one one?

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
You know, I probably I mean, here's like and I
think this is why like it. She kind of plays
it the same way where she says like I was
just reacting like you're not, Yeah, just reacting so like
I think that's probably the mode I would be. And
it's just like, oh, you know, just.

Speaker 2 (01:19:36):
Probably probably me too. But like, if logic kicked in,
I'd give it five minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:42):
I dialed nine to one and.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Then I waited out. So uh, he goes, he pleads,
He pleads guilty, He says, the judge is like, how
do you plead? He says, guilty. I've hurt my family,
my friends in the department. Man you could just say guilty,
like you don't have to fucking say the shit.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
And then like at the end there's a real half
assed I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Get there and and he gets leniency the the he
gets four years and oh yeah yeah, so instead of
four years for each count of each count of child pornography,
he gets to serve them. Concurrently, that was Barbara's recommendation

(01:20:24):
because he thinks that Hank Abraham looks sad enough for something.
And at the end, Pippa Coox is like, he's still
my husband, and I'm like, he does not have to
be girl girl.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
No he Again, this is why you know, whenever you're
asking like what would my like again, I was just reacting,
but like I think I would probably do that too.
But at the same time, it's like, yeah, I mean
that's it's it's the same thing where it's like if
you're the if you're the parent of like a fucking
serial killer, it's like it's still your kid.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
At the end, I think that a spouse is different
than a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Sure you're walking parallel paths.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Though, yeah you're, but you're more responsible for a kid
and for like showing them right from wrong, as opposed
to your spouse, who's supposed to like you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
Don't think that you don't think that your spouse can
make you, like make you a better person.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
I totally do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:20):
But it's I've got before, Leanne, I've seen just horrible.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
But you know the I think there's a difference between
like raising a kid and then that kid does something horrible.
You like you, That's that's on you partially too. You
gotta fucking live with that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Okay, sure it's but I'm not saying like, I'm not
saying like a school shooter. I'm saying like, if you're
like Ted Bundy's mom, Yeah, who's like an adult man,
like makes his own choices.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Yeah, yeah, I was. I was more thinking school shooter.
If you're Stephen Miller, your family can disown you, which
is what his family has done. Right. Fuck you, Stephen Miller.
Fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
And yes, we are comparing Steven Miller to someone who
distributes and deals in child pornography.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
Do with that what you will and Ted Bundy and
Ted Bundy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
But you know what I'm saying, it's like so like
I don't know, so like I cause I understand because
here's the other thing. And I'm I'm thinking I'm phrasing
this in such a way and I'm probably gonna regret
this later and so it'll probably correct. But there was
during after George Floyd and there was the you know,

(01:22:26):
the movement against the police and police violence and stuff
that that strangely has gone.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Away, go figure, hm crazy, But there was I think
mister Raymond Esson.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
I was listening to a podcast he was on and
he's like, I do these workshops where I will go
in and talk to people that are you know, not
a high like a hostile crowd type situation. He's like,
and I will, oh yeah, And he's like, and I
will ask the question is like, what is the crime
that your child could commit that you would be like,
he does not deserve to live any like doesn't yeah, again,

(01:22:57):
like that he would be murdered by the police, not
that like they wouldn't face consequences or something like that,
but they absolutely deserve to be dead, right, And the
answer is like, well no, it's like right, that's the point.
So it's like Josh Piss killed himself. It's like you
don't want him to die. Yeah, you don't necessarily have
to like him or the things that he's doing, but
also the complication of like that's your husband of X

(01:23:19):
number of years, you've got you kids with, Like you know,
there's more to it that. It's very simple to be like, yeah,
fuck him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
Let him, fuck him, let him die. But my fear
not not just not let him die, but like you know,
he's been put away and she's like, he's still my husband.
My fear is that that is just more kind of
deluded thinking from her of like because because the whole
time she's like, he couldn't have possibly done this. He's
a good person, and so the like he's still my

(01:23:45):
husband bit is like more of that to me, And
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I mean it could, yeah, it could just be like
kind of a denial situation. And you know here's the thing,
it could like a year from now it could have
been she will be like the fuck am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Yeah? Right, hopefully, And so we get one last little,
uh little button scene with Olivia and Tucker walking down
the street romantically. They go to a bar. She's like
starting my care. They go to a bar and there's
too many people there, and so Livy's like, oh, I needed,
I really need a drink because I'm an alcoholic. Now,

(01:24:20):
do you want to go to my place?

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Do you see you see me drink that one glass
of wine by myself?

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
Pippacocks was drinking at the restaurant, but you have no
idea how much I had.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
That's why the bottle wasn't there anymore, because it's like,
you take that glass, I get the rest the bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Yeah, and lives like, do you want to go to
my place? And he's like sure, and then they have
a little arm lock. This was the soft launch of
or maybe hard launch of Olivia and Tucker. The knocker
as they call it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
No one calls him that. Literally, no one, not a
sickle person.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Call me the viper. That's our episode for this week,
Launderer SPU.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
See this season seventeen, episode fifteen, Collateral Damages from Trivia Corner.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
This is a weird one. Ready, just trying.

Speaker 1 (01:25:06):
No, I'm not, but go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
The plot is loosely based on the arrest of Jace Alexander,
son of Academy Award nominated actress Jane Alexander. Jace Alexander
directed several episodes of Law and Order, but never SVU,
and in twenty fifteen he was arrested for child possession
of child pornography, and a year later he pled guilty,

(01:25:28):
for which he received ten years probation and are required
to a requirement to register as a sex offender in
New York and he also resigned from the DGA as
vice president. His wife, who's an actor named Maddie Corman,
once guest appeared on SVU in two thousand and nine,
and his mother also guest starred in a different episode

(01:25:49):
from two thousand fucking Wow. So this is a oraboris
of the call is coming from inside the house.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
On an unrelated note, So, I was at the U
chip the other so I've figured out the there is
one TV at the gym that is always on USA.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
So and that's the one that's not on Fox News yep.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Right, So I figured out like, okay, depending on the day,
if I go at a certain time, like they'll be
SVU episodes. And there was one on that we hadn't
seen yet, and I was like, oh fuck, they was
gonna have to watch this twice now.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
To see this again. In the episode, Mike Dodds declines
a transfer FRAU to the Joint Terrorism Task Force. In
the season, I'm not gonna I just I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Just what's happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
I just just found out a spoiler that I'm not
going to tell you. Oh good, thank you, I appreciate.
And it's the final of seven appearances by Josh Pice
as Deputy Commissioner Hank Abraham. He also made three appearances
as a different defense attorney in seasons one through three.
So raise the jersey into the rafters. That's the end

(01:27:03):
for Josh Piss. He gets his regular name back, Josh
Pie And from User review Corner. As I think I
mentioned last week, this is a very highly reviewed episode.
So this is from reserving judgment.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
I very ambivalent feelings about this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
That's fair. This is from b K Kaz from December
twenty six, twenty twenty COVID Christmas one out of ten
stars and especially stupid episode.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Oh especially stupid. That's saying something because there's some stupid,
fucking episodes of this show.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Yeah, there really are. Collateral damage has the distinction of
taking a very serious subject and treating it so stupidly
it's an insult. This creaky episode starts with a has
been boxer who likes underage girls when he's caught in
an undercover sting. He sings about a wider and uglier
ring of pedophiles spelled wrong trading images on the internet.

(01:28:02):
Never mind that the undercover cop is traumatized by having
to take her top off. Not exactly the hardened, savvy
agent you want working on the streets, She's not even
she's in the fucking academy, nor the boxer, nor that
the boxer is more than happy to turn in everyone
else for a pretty crappy plea deal. It turns out
the annoying NYPD official whose only function seems to be

(01:28:24):
a creep and a Jewish one at that. That was
me uh is one of the major players. Wait what,
he's such a cardboard character that he's clueless about the
procedures the officers he works with will use to investigate him.
The episode doesn't even try for a red herring and
let it turn out to be the wife who's the villain. Nope,
that this episode's about as subtle as a guy coming

(01:28:46):
out of a just robbed bank with a masked striped
shirt and big old gun and a bag with a
dollar sign on it. Even better though, this episode. This
is the episode where Benson, who despite all the efforts
to paint her as NYPD's greatest hero and keep her
on camera as much as possible. Does yet one does
yet another one of her stupid things. What the younger Dodds,

(01:29:08):
who could be inspector Gadget without the hat, is almost
convinced to leave SVU for a better job on the
Terrorism Task Force when Benson plants the seed of doubt.
By the end of the episode, he will have changed
his mind, and the rest of the review is a spoiler.
Good work, Benson. One out of ten starts spoiler for

(01:29:30):
what I'm not gonna tell you. Hmmm. So I think
in general BK has is kind of right, except they're
writing from with twenty twenty eyes, which clearly had lived
through one Trump administration. But Trump is basically the guy
that leaves the bank with a mask and striped shirt,

(01:29:53):
big old gun and bag with a dollar sign on it.
Like every crime that he does is that? Is that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:01):
As we said of the bonus episode, I kind of
understand his bewilderment of like, why do you people care
about this? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
This is new And from the other side of the aisle,
We're gonna go with p Shinowski from March third twenty sixteen,
which is right after the episode came out Seven out
of ten Stars puts recurring characters on display. This also
is labeled with a spoiler, so I might redact some
of it. If you're looking at the basic plot of

(01:30:29):
this episode and compare to the generic SEU episode, you
wouldn't see anything particularly different. The writers, however, chose this
episode to trot out several of their recurring characters, whose
performances lift the episode out of mediocrity. Essentially, the rest
of one you unusually high profile but irrelevant individual leads
to a child pornography ring. This is fairly run of

(01:30:51):
the mill for the show. This episode differs in the
fact that that implicated in the ring is the Deputy
Commissioner or the NYPD. The rest of the episode also
follows a familiar formula for true fans of the show. However,
it's always a pleasure Does see Ed Tucker incorrect? Is
it Ed Tucker working with the SVUCNE rather than against them?

(01:31:12):
Net Eisenberg reprises his role of fifteen years as the
Higher Price attorney representing the commissioner. Josh Pie, also a
multiple episode actor during the crisis. At the end of
the day. This is a generic episode with some familiar
faces that makes it worth a watch. I generally agree
with that.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yeah, there are far worse.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
Yeah, Red Loong, says Jessica Phillips, who plays Peppacocks, is phenomenal. Yeah,
it's pretty good. Yeah, and that's our episode for this week.
Lot Utter SVU Season seventeen, Episode fifteen, Collateral Damages. Guys.
I know that you're doing like the one letter per
season thing, but Collateral Damages doesn't really make sense.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Unless we're talking about, like, sir, some sort of a
lawsuit that was also I get.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Yeah right, someone's like asking if you agree to disagree
with us about that or anything else. Let us know
where at SVU podcast on Blue Sky, which is the
official Blue Sky of Collateral Damages.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
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Feel like it, fucking loon Musks I forgot also strudletter Monkey.
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Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
And tune in next week when we view and review
and lovingly readyqle lovingly with an asterisk no body. Law
and Order SVU Season seventeen, Episode sixteen, entitled Stars Struck Victims,
Rollins takes matters into her own hands when Barbara is
forced to drop rape charges against a popular actor due

(01:32:52):
to lack of evidence. That's typically how that goes oof
and also magoof I love I love it when when
people take the law into their own hands, especially when
they're cops. Yeah, and it's guest starring Craig Bierco, who
you might recognize as the bad guy from The Long
Kiss Good Night.

Speaker 1 (01:33:12):
I was like, no, because I've never seen that, But
why do I know that name?

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
He was on Unreal? Did you watch on reel? No?
Oh the thirteenth Floor. Oh, I didn't even Scary Movie four.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
It's literally his top fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Four scary movie fo or Long Kis good Night Cinderella Man. Yeah,
so until then, we can't wait to see our buddy
Craig Bierco until then. Four While on over a special
view and unit, I'm a Vive Rugenstein.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
And I'm Matt Reuter. We will see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
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