Episode 382 - S17E16 - Star-Struck Victims - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Listen said, Welcome back to another episode of Law and Order,
A special viewing given at the show where we view
review and I lovingly ridicule everyone's favorite cop drama, Law
and Order Special Victims Unit, every episode in a row
from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
All the life has gone out of your voice.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I am your host, Matt Reuter, apparently your lifeless host,
Matt Reuter joining me as.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Only it's like an upper register hello. And today I
was like.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Hello, Hello, oh god, we're still calling here. We are
joining me on this this sissyphian task is my co
host has to vive rumbicide over there who just loves
getting fucked in bathrooms at clubs? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
A view? This is America. We'll never speak.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
French, not wrong, but for not for the reasons that
you're saying.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
We all know, we all know that Napoleon invaded Russia.
But what this show presupposes is what if he didn't,
What if he'd made it America? Like, well, that would
have been hell? I guess is that is that supposed
to be a dig at? Like the man in the
High Castle? What the fuck is? What the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I mean, you're you're given the show a lot of
credit if that's what they were.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
They do name check Netflix quite a bit. Yeah, well
it goes his Netflix deal.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah. I I'm surprised Ted Sorrando's allowed this to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
To be so he didn't have his like secret police
of assassins yet.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
I mean, they are now well entrenched in, uh, in
the Hollywood machine. How are you doing this week of Eve?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
I'm good. I was gonna ask you, how are you
doing this week? I'm I'm doing well. I once again
just got back into town yesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yeah are you Are you ever planning on just staying
at home for more than like three days at a time. Oh, oh, well,
that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
A movie that I am writing or current the rewriting,
did like a short film version to kind of drum
up some buzz and uh. It had its premiere this
week at the Martha's Vineyard African American Film Festival.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
So of course I make sense why you were there.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, I'm oh, I'm the I'm the token white white
and uh, of course you might be So I went
to Martha's Vineyard for the premiere, and you might be
asking yourself, weren't you just in Massachusetts. Yes, I was.
Why didn't you stay there? Because I had my wife
and my dog with me and so they couldn't. We

(02:39):
all couldn't stay. So yeah, I'm I'm back again. A
little bit of a kerfuffle happened at the UH the festival.
Didn't tell you about this because I didn't talk to
you since I figured it out.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Was it was it with Keith David or Doc?

Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, it wasn't. We. We we met Keith David, we
met Doc Rivers, we met Yarea Shahidi and Lena Waith
were both on my plane back to lak So yeah,
it goes you know who's who. But okay, so I
have I'm on some medication if as the listeners might

(03:16):
have presupposed herpes medication. Yeah, yes, so I have morning medication.
I have night medication. The night medication includes a muscle
relaxer because I tweaked my back at the wedding and
every time I travel, especially because I'm like schlepping and
carrying big bags and whatever else, I need my muscle
relaxer to go to bed so that my back doesn't

(03:37):
like seize up or whatever. Oh man, that's so it's
not great muscle relaxer makes you a little drowsy.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
So as it turns out, yes, I have heard so.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
At the premiere of this short film for which I
had to like stand up and answer questions and talk
to people and you know, glad hand and stuff. Uh,
I could not keep my eyes open.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Oh god.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
And I was like scrolling on my phone before the
thing even started scrolling on my phone, I was like
dozing off while scrolling on my phone. And I I
didn't realize until that. I was like, well, I just
flew and I didn't sleep very well and whatever else
turns out I had. I had mixed up my night
medication and my morning medication, and so I was fucked
up on a on a flex ail while I was

(04:30):
answering questions. And I'm just I'm just so fucking proud
of this team.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
This.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, this sounds very reminiscent of It sounds very
reminiscent of the first time that the O'sha's met your parents.
Leanne's mom did the exact same thing where she mixed
up her night time medicine and her daytime medicine. I say,
were guys were getting ready to go into like a restaurant.
She like, well, that's really stumbled off the curb or something.
You're like, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah yeah, and then all fucked up.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
And then literally it was like, all right, here's here's
what happened. I figured it is it literally the exact
same story, because as you were saying this, it was like, oh,
so I mixed up my night type medicine to my
daytime medicine. And then you're like, I mixed up my
daytime medicine at nighttime.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
I forgot. I forgot that that happened. Yeah, yeah, so
that was that was fun and interesting. So i'm i'm.
I got back last night, went immediately to the Hollywood
Bowl to see Jurassic Park with the La Philharmonic.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Isn't that like the third time you've done that?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I have done it a few times, but never with
Jurassic Park. Okay, yeah, it was Star Trek nine, Back
to the Future. Last year. I did Singing in the
Rain and now.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Is that like a series they do like every summer.
It's like they just do like the summer concert series
at the Hollywood they do.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It's usually John Williams, so they have like a John
Williams maestro of the movies where they do like a
bunch of his pieces of music. I don't I prefer
to go see like a movie movie. But yeah, they'll
they'll do movie with live orchestra every year. They're they're
doing several every season.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's really cool. Actually, uh, while, while you were gall
vancing across the globe with Leanne on your honeymoon, actually
Cassie and I went and did the same, not at
the Hollywood Bowl obviously, but at the Seattle Symphony. They
did that with the Barbie movie over Pride.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Oh that's fun. Yeah, it was really that's a that's
a cool one because it mixes a lot of different genres.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Yeah. Yeah, it was very very.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Like I'm just ken is like a pop song, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
It's very very cool. And all of the all of
the musicians, they were all wearing like these pink jumpsuits.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
So like it was a real and everyone. Again it
was over Pride weekend here in Seattle, so like it
was very festive.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Did they play the whole movie or just like certain,
Oh that's great.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
It start to finish with they put an intermission in
there for the for the musicians.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
They put an intermission in there for us too, and
for us it was in the middle of a scene
which I was like, why, but it worked out pretty well.
It was like, right when Newman crashes his his jeep,
the jeep interesting, yeah, but not when he dies just
like he when he crashes the jeep and then before
he gets out.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Before he inevitably goes to his death to the cable
around the tree. That's interesting. Yeah. They I'm trying to
remember where. It was an odd choice whatever they did,
because it was not like, oh, half and half. It
was like there was like twenty minutes left of the movie.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
I was like, it was like right before she meets God,
Like why.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Why did you make that decision? Why not? You know what?
Like I get it, you'll want to break but you know,
like it might as well just finish it out.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Did they did they play the version that I saw
where the woman accidentally calls nine one one on her
phone in the middle of the theater.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Specifically yes, that one, Yeah, specifically that one.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
It was interesting how they chose to replicate the sounds
of the nine on one call using instruments rather than
an iPhone.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
How's your week been? I saw Barbie but that was
a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That was that was a while ago. Been a good week,
Been a busy week.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
Made it down to U catch Maritors game earlier in
the week, which was very fun. They they won a.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Lot of home runs there, so runs dings look.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
New look Maritors after the trade deadline. So it's been uh,
it's been fun being in the city watching them because
they're they're given the Astros a run for their money here,
which is everyone loves that. Good agreed? What else? Saul
weapons Reuter highly recommends. Yeah, I love to have a
separate discussion about this because you are going to.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
See to see today. Yeah, today, So the timing is everything,
but very at the Chinese theater Imax. So the tickets
were like one hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
That's that's yeah. I I actually, you know, it's rare
that Cassie and I make it out to the theaters
these days. And we went in Salt in Imax, So like, well,
we're gonna go out to see it in theaters. We're
gonna go see.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It Imax, and it's worth the Imax.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, I sure. I. You know, here's the thing. I
don't go subtitles, right, like I don't go. You really
don't realize how much you I rely on the subtitle.
So it's at the theater, I'm like, where are the subtitle?

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Oh shit, God damn no.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
But so just a quick each ship story, it's not
even ship story, just a quick I guess observation. So again,
don't go to the cinema very frequently. And it has
gotten to the point where it is just the sheer

(09:43):
number of ads oh yeah in front of a movie,
like we got there early, and like, you know, even
though there it's as signed seats, so it's like, well,
we got to get good seats. But we got there,
you know, a few minutes early. We had gotten dinner
at a place that was right across the street from the theater.
It's like, ah, we've oh my god, we've only got
like twenty minutes till the movie starts. We got to

(10:03):
get in there, and then it was like it didn't
start for another like forty minutes, and I was like,
what the fuck is this is unbearable? Like ye are
when when is this gonna fucking end? Like I was,
And I turned to Cassie in minute fifty of the
ads before the fucking movie, and I was like, you've realized,

(10:25):
whatever self driving cars come out, they're just gonna put
ads on the windshield, on the inside.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
Of the car.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
And it's like, no matter what, it's like, I'm waiting for,
like pepsi or something to be like if we will
tattoo a pepsi ad on the inside of your eyelids,
so whenever you close your eyes you are getting an AD.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Pitched to me, this is the Google glass and the
whatever the Apple vision pro remember when Apples like this
is gonna be the wave of the future, and.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Then they sew very quietly like took it up back
and shot it.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Never take it put it back.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
But yeah, way, but it's uh, it's there. Was sure,
I was astounded at at.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
This, but on that, on that two things in Asia
so okay. In America it's usually like commercials for random
shit then previews of coming attractions than the movie. Right
in Asia, they're they're alternated, so it's like commercial preview,

(11:28):
commercial preview, which doesn't sound weird, but what you see
you're like, what the fuck is happening?

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, I could see that.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
The other thing I would say, I went to see
The Fantastic Four First Steps. I recommend. Yeah, pretty good pass.
But the Alamo Draft House in LA fifteen minutes, which
seems like a lot, but compared to the forty minutes
that you sat through, not that much. And once again

(11:57):
they always do They're like, okay, turn off your cell phones.
Now it's gonna happen, blah blah blah, right before the movie,
right mm hmm. In this situation they did that, turn
off your cell phones. We mean it. We'll ask you
to leave if you're talking. And then they did another
trailer for Avatar, and I'm like, king shit, how much

(12:19):
did Cameron have to pay to be like put the
trailer after the cell phones away?

Speaker 1 (12:26):
I don't say, king shit. This is not We're trying
to leave it as fucking society here, people. I like,
come the fun.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
I mean, I mean, I know we live in capitalism,
we live in hell, and we live this is late
stage capitalism, where every last nickel has to be wrung
out of every last second of every day.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
But god, that was not great. The movie was, though,
So yeah, I can't. I'm excited to see it. I'm
excited to see it with probably thirty minutes of trailers
because I'm not going to the Almo today.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Well that's whose fault is that? So yeah, go go
see that movie fucking it Slaps. And also went and
saw a stand up comedian Les Sammy Obeid. I think
that's how you pronounce his last name. Cassie has a.
He has found his way onto like Cassie's algorithm. Just
generally like a lot of tiktoks and stuff, very very funny.

(13:17):
He is of oh yeah, of Palestinian descent, so he's
got a lot of bits about Israel. Uh if you
can believe it. Cool again, a lot of he's as
as he says on stage, and he's got some fun
stories about like yo, I'll do some bits like this,
and uh, you know, people get it upsets some people

(13:39):
and the whatnot. It's like, oh, I got to deal
with being called an anti submit It's like I'm not
talking about any religion. I'm talking about the actions of
a government. How is that anti sabbitic? And it's like
that's a very good point again, like conversations you and
I have had on this podcast where it's like we're
we're not talking about religion, We're talking about the actions
of a government that's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Why would you say something so so antim.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So so truthful. Yeah, but very very funny. And as
you were saying for your trip to the the African
American Film Festival, being the token white Cassida also felt
like being the token whites in that room a lot
of people of Arab descent there us. Yes, precisely. So, yeah,

(14:25):
very very good show. But it was in It wasn't
even in a comedy club. It was just like in
like an event space.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
In a mosque. You got you got converted.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
No, but it felt very it was very almost like
kind of punk rocky where it literally was just like
in a in a venue like it just a big
empty like you could host like a wedding reception there
that type thing where like there were yeah, and there
were jokes where he's like, I gotta break down all
the chairs after everyone leaves, like if anyone wants to

(14:55):
sing around and help me, but like and it felt
very kind of cobbled together because he was making a
comment it was like, oh yeah, the speakers that were
using there was a lot of problems with the sound.
It's like, oh, it literally just was some guy who
was like, I'll bring the speakers just for that I
met online kind of things. So it so much of
it felt like like basement shows that we would have played.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Back in the day. Yeah, I like that di y mindset,
but also like if ice rated that it would be
like Local G Hottest meeting by Heroic. Yeah, it's like
you and handcuffs being let out like Marty McFly and
Back to the Future too.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Do the rece search dre the ra search.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Was eating a meal, a suckular Chinese meal.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
Uh yeah, but no, very very good, highly recommended for
you ever get a chance to see him. He's very
very funny. I'm sure you. I think you would enjoy it,
even though with with the bits, because I think you
would generally align politically being like, yes, extremely fucked up. However,
a part of you would be like man.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
That's so the part of me is the part of
me that is like ashamed of what my people are doing.
I'm like, man, what come on, guys, Well it's hard,
it's hard enough. Why you Why are you making us
all look bad?

Speaker 1 (16:16):
This isn't helping anything.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
You're not helping right right right, And so that's the
and and I think that that feeling is what uh,
white people in these spaces feel when when they're being
made fun of for you know, being school shooters and whatnot,
and and that turns into like misplaced anger of like well,
not all white people, not all men, not all whatever. Yeah,

(16:40):
and like you just you just have to identify the
who you're actually mad at as the people that are
making you look really really.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Bad, right, the bad actors as it were. Oh, I
went to the the old mailbox the other day and
found a copy of this crazy how about that?

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Since this is what is this? This is an audio medium.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
This is an audio media. It is a book called
There's but One truly serious philosophical problem, and that is
Suicide by Albert Camu, the myth of Sissyphis. There you go,
and it appears to have come all the way from Perry,
from the Shakespeare and Company bookstore that you went to

(17:24):
and got this for me.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, I got it. There's a little note in there.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
It was very nice. I read the note. I did
read the note, which I will read to read it
because I was thinking it was like which because there
was a couple different. So the background of stories is
Cassie and I went to Paris about ten years ago
at this point and went to the Shakespeare Company and
bookstore and.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
I'm trying to remember you got me a book?

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Which book did I because there was a couple of
different ones that I read.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
One thousand Films You Must Watch Before You Die, which
a copy of that was there, and I was considering
getting that for you and sending it to that.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Would have been really funny because it was I remember
there was that book, the one that I actually got
for it, and then there was another one that was
like on like Verner Hertzog Films.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
Sure, sure, and I.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
Was like, yeah, this this I'm like, well, this will
be some fucked up should have people probably enjoy.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
That, yes, And so that was that's part of the
origin of this podcast. Matt sent me this book and
uh and was like, let's start a let's start a show.
And so ten years later I went to the same
bookstore and I was like, let's let's end this show.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
And how funny the sunrise and sunset of it, all
of the sapy task that is so uh. Yeah, I
got a hearty happy, So I got a hearty chuckle whatever.
I saw the book and I was like, I'm glad
that you got it. Yes, I did very much so
so thank you VI for that. And now that that

(18:47):
shit's out of the way, on to the main eventre
we're gonna be viewing and reviewing Season seventeen, Episode sixteen
of s views are entitled Starstruck Victims.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
Question Park Starstruck Victims.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Okayah, that is I have vlogger down and that is
not accurate. Uh, And we're gonna do that right after this, Dad,
we're back and as I said before the break, we're
gonna be viewing and reviewing Season seventeen, Episode sixteen of
SVU entitled Start Struck Victims yep of EVE. It's that
time yet again. Before we get into breaking down the
episode and the greatest tradition that we have on this
Oh just reminder to our listeners, all the episodes are

(19:19):
aa alble to watch on Hulu and Peacock. Uh don't
watch this one.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Uh oh who uh. Hulu is officially becoming just Disney plot,
which is it's already it's already been that, but like
the Hulu app is gonna cease to.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Exist, I know, but like it's.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
And if and if we've learned anything from HBO, it
will then go split in it it'll.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Come back yes, this is what the fuck is happening here.
But before we get into breaking down the episode of
the greatest radition that we have on this podcast, if
you're gonna h us with a ninety second recap of
what happened to this week's episode, So we're gonna put
ninety seconds on the clock. Whyn't you tell us what
the fuck happened to this week's episode of SVU.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Okay, you guys, the SVU squad meets of law and
their brains leak out of their They don't understand what
a fucking vlogger is and so they're like, you must
be the worst person to ever exist. And unfortunately, unfortunately,
this vlogger was raped, and so they have to pretend

(20:16):
to care about her at least for a little bit.
And her last name is Crier. I wonder what they're
gonna say fucking about her. But we're going to talk
about the nominative determinism in this episode. So, uh, okay, okay,
you guys. The vlogger is is raped in a in
a bathroom. We meet her in the hospital. She's vlogging, uh,
just waiting for her rape kit, and the cops are

(20:40):
really amazed that she would be like recording the interview
that that they're they're giving her, And I'm like, oh,
why would someone want to document the things that are
happening to them with the cops? And uh. The the
Doer is this bar manager played by the Jogie Howser's

(21:00):
best friend and the Yeah it's him from from Dougie
Hawser and new Ze's and hook James m Maddio Medio
Maddio and uh, it's a bar much like Nashville, a
bar owned by a celebrity named Bobby Diamico, who is

(21:21):
who played a cop on like a Netflix show for
ten years or whatever. It's like weird because he has
a Netflix heal, but Netflix hasn't been making original content
for for ten years, so it's like it had to
have been on network. I don't know, it's fucking weird.
But Bobby Demico knows the older Dodds because he they
they he did like a ride along or fucking whatever,

(21:43):
and the younger Dods like, I like this fucking guy
and uh, and it turns out that he too raped
this girl, this poor girl crier And there is like
a specific m O which is that he hooks up
a girl consensually because he's famous, he's an actor. And

(22:05):
then his friend like bursts into the bathroom and is like, oh,
what's happening here? You mind if I join in? And
and then he lays the line on them, look at
those puppy dog eyes. If you say no, he'll break
his heart. And then he rapes the girl, and it's
it's a specific mo because there are other people who

(22:26):
are doing this that they've done this to, one being
a PA on this Netflix show, and and she doesn't
want to testify because it will ruin her career. And
Crazy's like, ah, she took the payout. I don't think
there was a payout, dude, And ut, yeah, And instead
of like leveraging and browbeating the witness into TESTI not

(22:50):
the witness the other victim into testifying, they do the
really sensible thing, which is Amanda Rollins goes rogue, goes undercover,
nearly allow Bobby and whatever the fucking friend's name is
Neil Noel to rape her, does not identify herself as
a cop until Mike Dodds walks in and is like,

(23:12):
what the fuck is happening here and tapes the whole thing.
But Bobby Demico had already lawyered up and so this
is all through of the poison tree and uh and
cur She's like, well, if the cops are talking to
someone illegally and then they commit a crime, eh, eh,

(23:33):
and then there's a trial and this girl gets absolutely
fucking destroyed. It's it's uh, it's uh. I keep calling
him Landsman, It's not Landsman Buchanan, It's Buchanan, John Buchanan again,
and he does his John Buchanan thing of being like,
so you're a whore, right, and she's like no, He's like,
arrest my case with drawn. He does the does the

(23:56):
old withdrawn thing, and then Rollins leaks the tape she
took the undercover and it winds up on the news,
destroying Bobby Demico's career, and Olivia Reims reams are a
new one, how dare you do this? And Ron's like, shit,
I shit you not, it was not me, and she's like,
I don't believe you. Get out of my fucking face,
and Dodd's is like, I believe Rollins. I uh know

(24:18):
who did it, but I'm not gonna say because I
don't want to put you between me and my father.
So you might want to stop asking questions, which is
a thing someone says if they're in the mob.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
Dick wolf, yeah, which is a thing cops shouldn't say.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, really, cops should not say this.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
These are our heroes, guys.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Her blog is Towncrier at Yolo vlogspot dot com. Once again,
just a reminder NBC had to buy that domake good lord. Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
This episode is dumb as a fucking box of rocks.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
It's dumb, but it is fun.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Sure, it kind of predicted TikTok, the TikTok culture of today.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Did I mean this? So it must have already been happening, right,
I'm sure that people were like vlogging their entire lives
in twenty sixteen, But I think your your assessment that
predicted TikTok is one of the main problems that I
had with this episode with twenty twenty five eyes, where

(25:25):
she's just like doing normal things that normal twenty five
year olds do now, which is just like they're constantly
vlogging themselves. Yeah, they don't call it vlogging anymore. And
so when the cops are lacking yeah, and when the
cops are like, how could this person be doing this?
I'm like, what do you mean this is this is
just normal behavior, I know.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Which really says more about the collapse of society than
anything else. Kind of yes, But also it's also that
the cops are idiots. That's also a thing.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
And I do really understand why she's doing it when
she is waiting for her rape kit and saying that
they're not giving her they're not allowing her to have water,
and when the cops come in, like like she's doing
I don't necessarily think that she's doing it to like
protect her rights, but she's doing things to protect her rights.

(26:16):
So like, I don't blame her for recording stuff from
the all I.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Mean specifically specifically her at I mean, let's just get
into it. It opens with her just vogging and be
like it's our four of me waiting for a rape kit.
It's like, I don't think she's doing anything to try
to protect her rights of this case. I think she's
just bored. I think so upset about anything that's happening

(26:40):
to her.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yeah, And there is a little bit of like the
outrage machine. She like pans her camera around the hospital
and there's two cops just like flirting with each other,
if two cops get married, who abuses who?

Speaker 1 (26:53):
Oh, typically the man to the woman.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, let's let's let's be real. Gay cops get married
to gay mail cops get married.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
They are summarily set off of the force.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, I guess so these days, yeah, yeah, they don't.
They don't get their fucking pensions. Now.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I think it's a it's fifty to fifty assholes. It depends.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's like it's actually forty.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
It's you know, uh, it's odds odd and even days
it's like.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Ah, yes, you get Monday, Wednesday, Friday, get Tuesday, Thursday, weekends.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yes, there you go.

Speaker 2 (27:26):
See, So she's waiting for a sexual assault nurse, a
specific nurse that does rape kits, which is like, yeah,
I suppose there would be like maybe a specialist nurse,
but I feel like you should just train. It's ain't
all nurses to do that. And it's a really sad
world we live in.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Sure, I agree with that. It also is very interesting
that in seventeen seasons, uh that is never never this
terminology ever mentioned, never once said, And I think we're
about to get another like this is a traumatic view
of a victim getting a rape kit done.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Which we get every five or five or seven seasons
or so. Yeah, but it's not the the She says
she's been gagging on the taste of him for a
couple of hours, which is gross and uh. And then
the nurse comes in and brings her into a room
and is like, you are not allowed to document this.
You're not allowed to film this hospital policy. And then

(28:26):
then the the camera comes back on when the cops arrive,
it's Carreese and Rollins, and she just like kind of
sets the camera up in the corner and says, you know,
tells her story to Carresy and Rollins and they're like,
wait a minute, are you recording this? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (28:44):
What a weird Yeah, it's a really odd And then
we go to credits. It's like, okay that, yes, she's
filming it, but that's that's your like because normally rip
before you go to the credits, it's like and then
you set up the problem of the episode.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, like bombo yeah, like like a real cliffhanger,
which either makes me think that this is a massive
failure of an episode or I supposed to think that
her filming the cops is like a huge problem. Well,
it kind of don't.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
It kind of turns out to ultimately be but then
not at the same because it's used against her.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
But then and then the the like denumont is that
Dodds releases a tape. So it's like all about filming
in public. The theme is like filming in public? Is
it ever? Right? Like yes, yes, I.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Mean okay, so here here's potentially a hot take, is it?
I I don't care for it simply on the fact
where it's like you you know, or my biggest fear
is that I am going to just be in the
background of so who knows of some fucking TikToker and

(30:03):
I'm just gonna be doing something or just have like
an odd.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Moment or a crack on full display, and then.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I'm gonna become the like the viral person where it's
like I literally am just trying to not be involved
in other people's lives, but because you're an asshole, you're
fucking up my life.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Now. So that actually happened to me, which is one
of my greatest shames.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like, that's it's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
It happened to me in seventh grade, So it wasn't
even Internet. But in seventh grade in the in the
I was in the band in the Council Rock Middle School,
Holland Junior High band, and uh, at our first concert,
it was like a winter concert and we were playing.

(30:47):
They're like, I think it's like that Russian dance, and
I was just kind of like grooving in the back
and you know, didn't think anyone was looking at me.
And one of the parents was like filming the concert
and like got a full ass. He's like, look at
this fucking kid. And then we watched the thing and

(31:08):
I had to watch myself like grooving and like I
don't know, annoying other people or whatever. And it was
like the one of the most embarrassing moments of mine.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Time. Just died a little bit inside.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yeah, I died, not a little bit, all the way
pretty large amount. I've had never danced in public again. Yeah,
So that's because when you're you dance like no one's watching,
and then sometimes someone's watching.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Right, I guess it's supposed to be your You're you're
supposed to not care that, you know what.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
This one made me care a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
This one I was too young to have, way too young.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
It was I was thirteen years old. You I want you,
all listeners, I want you to think about being alone,
thinking that you're thinking that no one's listening to you
or watching you, and just grooving. You're grooving at the
Winter concert, You're in the drum corps, and then some
fucking dad videos you at your at your most Awkwell, pretty,

(32:12):
let's be honest, not the most awkward time of your life.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You kind of plateaued. The awkwardness never went away. It
just just didn't get worse. Yeah, yeah, I just learned
to not do things exactly that.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
This is very This is very similar to that that
that story where we met the guy from No Use
for a Name and I like embarrassed myself and I
just like learned not to do that in front of people.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Well, I mean eventually you learned, which is the important part.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah, yeah, you learned to isolate yourself. Stop touching the
hot stuff. Yeah a little bit, guy's dad, So whatever.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Yeah, twenty twenty five, let's touch the stove again again.
Fucking so they're like, oh my god, you're filming this
and again. Yes, Ultimately she's undone by all.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Of her all of her vlogging and like the rapists
are also undone by like secret filming.

Speaker 1 (33:04):
I think, so, what thing is the thesis statement here is?

Speaker 2 (33:08):
So that's that's my my thesis statement for our episode
is that this this episode of SVU thinks it's a
lot more clever than it actually is. Because this girl's
name is Crier, and I'm like, oh, I wonder, I
wonder what they're gonna accuse her of? And uh and
Bobby is Bobby demiico and Demiko means of a friend

(33:30):
and Bobby is friends with Chief Dodds. Oh okay, So
it's like we're how writers are like thinking, they're yeah,
thinking they're very clever.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I mean it's clever. It it's clever wordplay with the Demiko.
But I also didn't know that, so it's not as
clear if it's so clever that people don't. I was
just in Italy. Yeah, well fair enough, like too clever
by half right, it's you're you're trying just uh a
wee bit too hard there.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I think I think so. And and I would
apply that same logic to the uh the the theme
of like video being used against people in this in
this episode where I'm like, yeah, video can be used
against people, but like you also like like taking this

(34:22):
video of someone in public is ultimately like the right
thing to do because it got them like a little
bit of justice. Like like, what are you trying to.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
Say that if you are raped, don't go to the
cops instead just sting them and destroy them via the media.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Question mark, Yeah, let the media conduct a witch hunt
for you.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
You don't have to do it. Let others do it
for you.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah. Yeah, And and the media. So so we've or
from like or.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
The thesis statement is cancel culture, am I right? Who?

Speaker 2 (34:56):
But no one gets canceled?

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I mean at the end, well, Bobby Tobiko at the.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
End, Yeah, she says his career is over. And and
Dodds is like, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Well short, short term, short term cancelation.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
But he is guilty, right, did it?

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah? We all know it.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
I mean yeah, that's like that's like that Ben Shapier
thing of like making crime illegal, Like crimes already illegal.
It's called crime. So like cancel culture, doesn't it's not
cancel culture. When someone does a crime and then goes
to jail, that's just justice. Just that's just the thing
that happens.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, that's that's the judicial system. That's that's literal, that
is that's the point. That's why we have laws, right, Like,
that's that's the point of them.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
So we come back from our theme and we get
one last appearance from Hank Abraham on the front of
the New York Bugle or whatever the fuck it is,
and it just is so long, Hank, so long, that's
pretty funny. Dodd's Dodd's Senior Chief. Dodds is talking to
Olivia and he's like, so, uh you love my son, right,

(36:12):
and you uh you want him to succeed. And she's like, yes,
I know about the Joint Terrorism Task Force and he's like,
it would uh, it would make me very happy if
you I would I would be doing you would be
doing me a favor that I would repay on the
day of my daughter's wedding.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, it is a bit moth.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
You give him a good, good.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Review recommendation and she's like, yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
I'm gonna do that because he's good.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
So is this Dodd's Junior is his last episode? No, okay,
because they're kind of setting it up in a way
where he's like, yes, yeah, I released the spoiler alert,
I released the tape at the end and uh, and
I'm I'm fucking out now, I'm just getting the out
of here.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
No, I think truly. He releases the tape at the
end to prove that he's in the SVU gang and
not his father's bigger mob.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Well, remember, as liv said, she's part of the biggest
gang in New York.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
City, running a shadow gang inside of that gang.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
It's a split. It's a splitter mafia group within the gang.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Deep state. No, Dodds lasts until the end of this season,
and listeners, I know what happens because I accidentally had
it spoiled for myself last week in the trivia. But
you know, maybe who can say.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Okay bye who so by live? I hope so live
murders Dods and his faces no charges.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
And yeah, just takes him out back.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It was a it was an oops or doodle. Everyone
gets one on the NYPD, everyone gets one friendly fire.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
A Mulligan And uh, yeah, so Dodds, he might never
he might never make it to the joint Terris and
Task Force.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Oh no, but it was gonna be such a good
opportunity for him.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Yeah, right, And so he we learn about this rape
from the victim Christy Kryer played by Vivian Cordone, and uh,
it happened at Bobby Demico's club because he owns a
club slash bar in the city. And Bobby Demiko Chief

(38:27):
dodd says is good people, he's a friend of the department.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And then younger Dodds is like, yeah, whenever he was
doing that show, there was a lot of dinners at
Nobu Yeah by him.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But they're Also this goes back to one of our
golden rules of this show, which is anytime someone says
this person is a great man, they did it. They're
a monster. Fucking monster.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Which also, you guys are the police, you're the fucking detectives.
You didn't. And it seems like this guy has been
doing this for a while.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Kind of makes you wonder.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Well, he is Bobby Demico, untouchable.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Guy who's playing some Napoleon. No, no, he's not. He's
an American, so weird, so doing a bad French accent,
so he's like a mole.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
Is that? But he says he'll never speak French.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Right, but he's saying it in a French accent in English.
The other guy is also speaking to him in English.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
In English. Yeah, so they go to they take.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Wait what who hold hold on this?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
No?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
No, no, all right, so we go.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
To what I think he doesn't even get to play Napoleon.
He's too tall, right he's.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
So this is where we go to the set because
they're going to talk to Bobby Tomko. No, no, I'm
I'm gonna reserve. Oh yeah, I would have reserved by
comets for this this movie show. Whatever the question.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
It is a show I believe, So it is close.
But first they go to uh talk to Christy's friend
who works at uh.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Oh, it's like Fuzzy Fuzzy Mcfuzzerson's fuzz Factory.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
Furry rascals.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, what so huffle the huffle puff puff.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
But also, guys, get it's it's it's time get a
gen zer. Get get like a terminally online millennial on
your staff, because furry rascals. I was like, it's a
fucking furry shop. It's a furry sex shop. You're selling

(40:37):
selling furry outfits. And it's like, no, it's just for
like doctors.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
No, that's oops oop.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yeah. How many times do you a day do you
think a grown man dressed as Officer Judy hops walks
in and be like, hey, do you have a ballgag
and she's like, what for the last time, No, we do.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Have tennis balls for dogs. For dogs, you could probably
fashion that.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
And the friend Sheila, whose birthday it was, says that
Christy was having a great time and she did disappeared
with Bobby Demico for about ten minutes, but came back
and danced with me, And they were there the whole
night until very late, and she until past three, and

(41:28):
they were playing Billy Joel by then. And everyone knows
Billy Joel is terrible. Well, I was like, what everyone
knows looking at you, Billy, I was like, well, what
the fuck does that like? Everyone knows if Billy Joel
comes out at the bar, it's time to pack it up.
It's fucking yeah, you're fucking it's late.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Like, what the fuck does that mean? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
It just means the fucking doc workers on their on
their way to work at the docks are like, Hey,
I'm gonna just request you want to know by Billy
Joel real quick before I go to work. Well, you
have a heart attack.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
As scenes from an Italian restaurant came on, and we
all know that's whatever.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
It's like time trying to wrap it the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
It's like, I don't, I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
They just like they do understand.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Was it a block of Billy Joel Because with the
way she says they were playing Billy Joel by that,
it's like, okay, so you neighbor.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
The block for sure, don't. Okay, but think about it.
Think about it. Imagine you're watching a movie. Okay, right,
there's a there's a party seat and everyone's dancing, dancing
to Footless hard Cut two, Hard Cut two, the same bar,

(42:49):
there are fewer people there, and Uptown Girl is on
the stereo, like you know, it's pretty fucking late.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
Yeah. I mean, honestly, my whenever I think of like
the the party's over, everything's wrapping up, and it's not
closing time. Fuck you people, you simp.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
I like that song. It's about someone giving birth. The
thing that is closing is the womb. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
The the songwriter is on record is saying that his
wife was pregnant and he wrote Closing Time about I
think about like his youth and becoming a father. But yeah,

(43:32):
it's about like someone giving birth.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Okay. Interesting, that's a that's a way to take that.
I was gonna say, my I think the best wrap
it up party, like the party is Tuesday's Gone.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
Oh sure, A same vibe for me as scenes from
Italian Restaurant, except for skiddered was was not is much
better than Billy Joel And it's a shame that all
of them died.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
Well what are you gonna do? Death comes for us.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
All at the club in Boston that I used to
play at and see shows at a lot. The uh
the wrap it up music was banana Phone.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Interesting. Okay, yeah, I I could see if you're playing Raffi,
it's time to fucking go.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
So then they they uh visit after Sheila like puts
her in the bathroom with Bobby Demico. They go to
visit Bobby Demico on his set.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Okay, now it's it's there's a scene where it's someone
is coming up to like, oh the fucking the spy
whoever is coming to and the guys like they're.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Already here, They're already here.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
We'll never fucking speak French in America, and he pulls
a knife out him and then it's like cut set
for the next day. It's like, wait a second, so
so who and he says it in a French accent,
So he is he's supposed to be a trader or
a spy.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
I think he's supposed to be a spy. And I
think that they are supposed to be speaking French, but
like many shows, they just are speaking in English with
that accent. So that's my guess, is that because they're
dressed like French Napoleonic soldiers question marks. Oh you know

(45:27):
what they have the weird hats, the weird sideways doorstop hats.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah. So I was like, all right, so that that
means the one God was just a Napoleon. I thought
so too. Maybe not. So that means so they're referring
to the Americans. So in that scene, since he's supposed to.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Be playing himself to be an American spy, right.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
So the person that was coming to tell him that
the the invaders are coming, he's referring to Americans and
talk to Americans taking but this takes place in America.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, because the premise of the show is what if
Napoleon invaded America instead of Russia. Also, the line that
he says is this is America will never speak French.
So the invader. The invaders are not cover. The invaders
are here, but there's the invader. Isn't it just like

(46:25):
a colonist to be like, what if you're the invader?

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Also, what year would this have been?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Well, when did Napoleon?

Speaker 1 (46:34):
I do not know.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
I am not a history I make a Napoleon invading
Russia joke in Lizzie Lazarus. And I did did not
even look up when it happened.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
If it even happened.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It did it did happen eighteen twelve? Okay, we were
already in a different world, which I was about.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
To say, like, wait a fucking second, with the Spanish,
with the British, I don't know who was the War
of eighteen twelve? Yeah wait oh yeah no it was
another one against Britain. Yeah, we had a lot of those.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
We don't really learn about the War of eighteen twelve
except for the music, the eighteen twelve overture mm hmm
with the cannons. No, no, no, no. The United States
declared war on Britain. Why though long standing differences over
territorial expansion of North America.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
Freedom something like that?

Speaker 2 (47:35):
What the fuck? What the fuck? Okay, once again, maybe
this is why we didn't learn about the War of
eighteen twelve. So the British supported the Tecumsa Confederacy, which
was a confederation of Native Americans in the Great Lake
regions as like a splinter nation. So the Tacomsa group

(48:02):
was going to So.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
The Native Americans were fighting for their land.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
Yeah, but only some of them, Okay, yeah, Well, so
the unit's on the side of the United States where
the Cherisee, the Chickataw, Chickasaw, the Choctaw, the Lower Creek,
and the Tusca Aurora, and the UK side had the
Tacompsa Confederacy, which was a bunch of different nations, the

(48:27):
Red Sticks, the Menominee, and the six Nations of the
Grand River. So it was but but just give them
their land back, let them have their land. What is
wrong with you? Colonizers, man, colonizers man? And uh. And
this weakened. The result was that this this weakened Spanish

(48:51):
control over West Florida and Mobile Alabama came under American
control and the Tacomsa Confederacy was dissolved. M hmmm.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
So we fought all that for Alabama.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, in West Florida, Well, well.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
You know, it's it makes you coulda maybe let that
one go.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
It makes you makes you really think.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
So this I want to know more about this this
TV show anyway, So Dodds comes up and is talking
to uh Tomiko and is and he's just like, so, uh,
did you fucked this girl last night? He's like, yeah,
the bathroom it was tot's consensual. It's like yeah, yeah.
He's like, yeah, why she's saying it wasn't. He's like,
I just want to hear.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Your side of the story, and he goes, I played
a cop for ten seasons. I know what the protocol is.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
How that works.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
Okay, that girl's a freak.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Yeah. He's like, yeah, she fucked me. And then my
buddy came in and she's like fuck yeah, come on in,
I'll fuck you too. And I just like this, none
of this sounds believable at all, but okay, that's the
story you're and.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Two and then, especially because she had not said that
she had had sex with him yet.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Correct just just the buddy.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
He was like, this is definitely this was definitely not
her first tag team. And if she says anything different,
it's a shakedown.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
Which funny, it's whatever the police chief says that later,
where it's like he's like, clearly this is a shakedown.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Oh god, It's like wow. Wasn't he supposed to be like,
I don't I don't even want to open this can
of worms. Wasn't he supposed to be like a white night.
Wasn't he supposed to like be a good dude when
he took over this job, and he was like mad
at Olivia for for cutting corners or whatever, and Craigan
for cutting corners.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
You know, acab baby, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Are they now He's the fucking most corrupt dude?

Speaker 1 (50:49):
I mean, so is Live. So were all of them?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Live is sitting on like a couple of murders that
she's covering up.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
From this fucking and and bunch of stuff this season.
But he basically says, listen, whom'st among us has not
had a big consensual three way in the in the
club bathroom of a club that they owned? Matt, Yes,
I have not. That was the question, Have you ever
had sex in a club bathroom? Have not? Oh? Okay?

Speaker 1 (51:20):
Judging by the question, I'm I'm fucking lived man, I
guess that the question if that same question was asked
to you, the answer would be yes.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
A lady never tells Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
You wouldn't ask the question if you didn't have something
that you wanted to input.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Listen, who can say you?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
You can say.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Right now, yeah, you're doing that, proved by God.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
You're doing the Sabrina Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
My good friend, Sabrina Carpenter. So they go to talk
to the bar manager to corroborate Demico's story and also
maybe you arrest him.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Right, And he's like, yeah, I get my he says,
I get my plenty share of the runoff.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, Frank gets the scraps.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, that's kind of what it is. He's like a mantis.
And he's like, yeah, I've gotta just here's all the
security camera shit taken. I don't care, that's fine.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
And she says that. He says that she was in
the club, in the club, uh twerking the entire night,
which is slut shaming, but it's also weirdly like racially coded,
like she was dancing like a black girl. So clearly
she didn't want to say no to sex. She was
incapable of saying no to sex.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Yeah, I mean I didn't really think about that, but yeah,
that's certainly a way to take that.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
So Noel Panco, the bar manager, is played by James Mattio,
who not Matt TiO but Mattio Or, who is from
Brooklyn and began acting at the age of thirteen, and
you might recognize him from Newsy's and Hook, which was
his first thing, and as Doogie Howser's best friend. And

(53:15):
he also, which I didn't realize, is in The Basketball Diaries,
which is where Leonardo DiCaprio gives a blowjob in a
truck stop bathroom train station bathroom. He plays punk rock
singer and former basketball star Jim Carroll. I have never

(53:37):
seen Oh It's Oh. Do you know when I had
to watch Basketball Diaries. I had to watch it in
high school health class.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
I was gonna say, I know of it, and I
know of that scene specifically, but I just never saw It's.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
It is good. And Jim Carroll is a really interesting
figure because he like a like a college basketball prodigy
in high school, then became addicted to drugs and then
like formed a punk band Wild Yeah yeah. Or he
was like played as himself. He was like the Jim

(54:16):
Carroll music project, but his The big song from from
Them is called People who Died, which is is in
Basketball Diaries, and it's just a list of all of
his friends who died and how they died. Oh brute
it is. It is a it is a pretty brutal song.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, wow, that's fun. I'll have to add that to
the list of things I'll probably never get around a scene.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Those are people who died, died. Those are people who
died died.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
It is a deeply so yeah, that's okay, how about that?

Speaker 2 (54:51):
And uh and and sorry and Bobby Demiico is played
by Craig Bierco. We talked about a little bit last
week who Matt recognizes from the thirteenth the Floor, but
I recognize from the Lancis good Night and Leanne recognized
from Unreal. So he's got as got a big, wide career.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, it's a. It's a it's pretty broad. Yeah, in
terms of his appeal, I suppose.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Broad, not deep broad.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Yeah, it's a it's a bit of a he's a
bit of that guy, yeah, in a good way. Like,
I mean, there's nothing wrong with being to that guy.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
He works, man, Yeah, exactly, he's catching those checks. Good
for him. Uh so uh uh the bar manager, fuck it.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
What's Hanko?

Speaker 1 (55:35):
Panko? He uh. He gives over all of the the
security camera footage and we go back to the squad
and this is where everyone's like, why would they give
up this information? Like it must be consensual, because why.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Would they give out in an extremely well lit hallway, right.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
It's like, why would they be basically this cooperative. They're
not trying to be like yeah, they're they're They're like,
this is, this has been And all of a sudden,
now we've got Pierre, We've got Bieracopia, like, yeah, I
fucked her, but she didn't mention that at all, and
now we've got thering into the bathroom with him. Yeah.
So everyone basically is inclined at this point to not

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believe her.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
And they confront her about this and she was like, well,
I didn't want you to think I was a slut.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Which I mean, here's the thing we have. We've been
doing this for seventeen seasons at this point. How many
times have we had victims where they didn't share everything
that happened? And they still I say more than the
time probably, and they never make as big a deal
out of that, as they do in this episode.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
I think, like it's so. I think it's because she
is publicly, you know, sharing parts of her life on
the internet, right, but that is.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
But they don't even bring that up in this case.
They're just talking about like, well she she didn't still
like her kind of it's kind of what it seems like.
This is where Barba is in the room too, and
he's like, this is this, this is not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Good piece of Barber's not in the room. He's watching
from the other room with Chief Dodds and Olivia, and
Chief Dods is like, well, she's obviously lying. My good
friend would never do that, unlike my other good friend,
Hank Abraham.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Meanwhile, like I feel like if Chief Dodds wasn't in
the room, Barbara would be like, well that's this is
gonna be a tougher case, but we're of course we're
gonna pursue it. But because Dodds is like, well, I
mean right.

Speaker 2 (57:27):
Because he can read the handwriting on the wall and
be like, the cheap the deputy chief of police wants
me to squash this, I'm gonna squash this.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, So yeah, she was like yeah, don't pursue this, Barbara,
don't do it. And He's like okay, and not a
chief and lives like, well, this is the worst conversation
I have to.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Have, and and Rollins is there too and is like
Barbara's like, okay, no one's saying that we don't believe her.
And Ron's like, very clearly, Chief Dodds is saying.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
That, which I thought was really funny because that's doesn't
even swing at the pitch. She doesn't even react. He's
just ignores her.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yeah, because he because it's like what is It's like
an ant is taking a shot at you.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Right. So liv goes into the interr gish room is like, okay,
so thanks for telling us about what happened to you.
As it turns out, we're not gonna do anything about it.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Sorry. They Before that, they ask her they have this
footage of her like after the incident happened, going back
and dancing for another couple of hours or whatever, and
she says it was Sheila's birthday. I didn't want to
bum her out right, which and that becomes like a
huge piece of evidence, is like, how could someone who
has just assaulted go back and and dance more.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Right, and look it. It's not a good look. Oh,
I'll give you that, but that also does not.

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Mean yeah, people act all kinds of ways. Also, if
you look at that footage, like, she doesn't look like
she's having a great time. She looks like a shut
pretty tight having a time a time. Yeah. So they
say that they're not pursuing the case, but they do
believe her, and they're.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Like, your rape kit will remain on file. I'm like, yeah,
and it'll ever be tested.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, and uh, Olivia Dodds calls her attention seeking, which
is I want to fucking die, and Olivia is like,
this fucking this fucking sucks, and it also fucking sucks
for me to have to say this. She's out of focus.
She's so out of focus that that they are trying
to find the focus in the middle of the shot.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
And we all know how you feel about.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
That badly and and uh not. Shela Christie says, I
was so stupid for believing in the cops and I
was like, yeah, preach kind of you were preach girl.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
Uh So this is where she then makes a blog
post and and puts it up and she's like, well,
so I went to the cops. I was raped and
went to the cop. The cops said, go fuck yourself.
So I'm taking this into my own hands and making
this and saying that I was said Craig Mierco. It's
not Craig Mierco. That's the actor's name, Tomiko. And fuck

(01:00:12):
what is what is the dookie howser guy's name? I
I have Hanko, Panko, It's it's Demico and Panco it's
too too close.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
It's it's also think about where have you heard the
term panco before?

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Bread crumbs?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
So he's like the he's like the guy that covers
the meat.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
He's the delicious, delicious bread crumbs. Uh. So now they're
all like, oh no, and then they're like and she's
like and specifically Lieutenant Olivia Benson fucking sucks fuck you
and lips like, oh man, why you gotta dooopy like that.
It's like, because you didn't do anything for her, what
are you expecting to happen? She was raped, and you're
like the person that is always like, I don't care

(01:00:51):
if fucking Chief Dodds wants us to do this or not.
I'm always on the side of justice. And she just
folds like laundry. So she's like, A right, we'll bring
her back in. I guess we got to have another
conversation with her where they bring her in. They're like, well,
you realize this is actually your fault for not telling
us that you had sex with Tobiko first.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
And it's like, it's so, how is that relevant? Oh,
by the way, Demiko also raped me.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
It's like that wasn't consensual either, or he may have
started consensual and then didn't didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
D because and this is like this is one of
those I don't want to say complicated because it's it's
pretty uh pretty cot and dry. It's not complicated, right,
but like a douchebag would say, it's it's complicated because
she said yes, and then he escalated and was like

(01:01:43):
you should have a threesome with me and my friend.
And then she withdrew consent and he's like no, no, no,
you can't can't leave me like this, and then so
like this is the type of thing that Jay lands
not Jay Landsman Buchan and John Buchanan would be like,
why uh is it? How could you have said yes
and then said no? Were you saying no to the floor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
It's uh, he's he's a good defense attorney, but he's
a real piece of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
Yeah, and he's very very good at being a piece
of shit. He's also a piece of shit on The Wire,
where he plays Jay Landsman, which is.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Why that name keeps coming up. The cops are so
victim blamey in this episode, yes, and they're also in
the vlog hosts there's something. She has a line where
it's like it's a special Victims unit, Like I'm a
special victims are a special victim.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
I may be a special victim, but I'm not as
special as Bobby Demiko.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Which is a pretty good that's pretty solid. It's pretty
pretty solid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Demko is brought in again for questioning and he's like,
I went to Yale. I don't deserve this. I picked
Richard the third. There were five curtain.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Calls, spoken like a true IVY League asshole.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Yeah right, Yale. Yale drama is like shut up, shut
the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Oh, it's just top notch. So meanwhile he's like, all right,
here's what happened. I was she was sucking my dick
in the bathroom, and then my buddy came in and
lives like and what did she say at that point?
And Hee's like, did you not hear that my dick
was in her mouth?

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
She said nothing, Yeah, he said what does she say?
He's like gluck gluck gluck cluck cluck. And that's where
Duds like, He's like, are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
If this is where Dodds is like, you know, maybe
you should get a lawyer and get the fuck out
of here, and lives like, what are we doing here? Guys? Like,
what is the point of this?

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
She says, why would you advise someone of their rights
when they are making a confession without a lawyer? And
I'm like, why would you?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Why would why would this guy show up without a lawyer?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Frankly because he knows that the cops are in his pocket.
But also like, you should advise every one of their rights. Well, yes,
what a right is?

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Remember people, they're not rights if they could take them away.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
And Dodds once again is like, okay, she went public
with this thing on her vlog, reassure the public that
we are investigating, and then don't investigate.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
Yeah, it's like, amend whatever it is to include Tobiko
and then then do nothing about it because they keep
like at so many times they're like, you know, she's unstable.
I'm like, what has she done that is unstable? She
hasn't what this is? This is the thing that I
keep struggling with. And I think the answer is she's

(01:04:23):
posting stuff online. She's filming herself, which is.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Not even if it's annoying, which I think it is,
as someone who went to a very public movie last
night and a bunch of people were just like filming
the screen. But I think it's very annoying, but it's
not unstable.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
Right, So it's like they if they wanted that to stick,
they really needed to do something more. They needed to
have her like try to burn the club down or.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Something totally that, and no one really ever questions that,
which means like maybe some unstable thing got cut out
of the edit or.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
Something, or it's just shortcut writing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I think you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
We just say she's unstable because she acts. She's actually
fairly like their performance is fairly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
So totally totally. I mean, she's she's upset, but it's
not like.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
She's like yelling and running. It's like it's not like
a reality TV flame out type situation.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
It's just like kids call it crashing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Out, crashing out, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
And so she's like, hey, this fucking sucks and I'm
not the only person to go through this, and like
what do you mean? And she's like, don't you read
the comments on my vlog? Which is the least stable
thing she says the entire episode. But it turns out
that someone made a comment on her vlog being like,
preach its sister, the same thing happened to me six

(01:05:46):
months ago. And then once again really don't like the
implications of this. They track this girl down and she's
wearing like a like a New York Hustle season three
pat crew hat, and she's like, hey, that user uh hey,
that that comment is anonymous. Olivia is like, she's like,

(01:06:09):
you didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Write that user agreement, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Oh my god, that's so fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
And predictive of yep. Also, nothing's anonymous.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Nothing, Yeah, nothing's anonymous.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Actually this on this subject matter. So I'm gonna take
a quick de tour here for like two seconds. So
unrelated so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
In the Blake Lively justin Balton, No, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
So in an unrelated thing. Uh again, you are a
connoisseur of trash TV as well. I don't know if
you still are you were?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
And uh, Love is Blind as casting in Philadelphia, that's
going to be a disgusting.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
Oh why that season? I must watch just a much of.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
The creatures on that show.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
That is that that is going to be the fuck
around and find out season of Love is Blind. Cannot wait.
But speaking of similar trash TV, Cassie and I have
been in knowing Love Island, which I will have a
whole everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
I've never watched it. Everyone loves it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
It is the krem de la creme, a fucking trash TV.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
If you've I what is the premise of Love Island?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
A bunch of hot people make it out on a
fucking island? Is there like, uh no, some kind the prize.
I think there's supposed to be something if you you
get no. I think at the end, if you're like
the last couple standing, you get like a share of
like one hundred thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Dollars or something like people are like voted off when
they're not in love.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
Sort of. It's weird. It's very it's a very loose premise. Okay,
so uh but at at this point, uh, we were
watching it and one of the people was like, oh,
you know, if we were out of this, you know,
when we're out of the show, Like, would you do
like the location? Would you share your location with me?

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Sure? And like, I know, I don't. I know a
lot a lot of my students do this.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yes, I think this is very much like a younger
generation thing. But on the same point where the girls
like I thought that was anonymous, it's like, well, you
didn't read the user agreement. Yeah, And the fact that
the younger the utes as it were, are like, oh
is a ute? This is this is like the thing.
It's like, I did the location share because I've heard
this from other people as well in IRL, and I

(01:08:20):
literally was like, is it gotten to the point that
we have just trained the youth to be just so
comfortable with the surveillance state that they're like, what if
we just use it to our advantage of just completely yes,
rather than being like, no, that's not a good thing,
you should voluntarily do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
This was maybe as long as ten years ago, but
I was listening to something like this American Life. This
story is gonna be amazing because I don't remember any details,
but okay, something like this American Life Style show where
it's like kind of vaguely newsy and and they were
saying that the younger generation just like knows that there's

(01:09:02):
no privacy and just like doesn't care.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
It's it's the lack of caring that is the part
where I was like, well, that's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
And I think that they have because they were this
was a significantly long time ago, and they have grown
up a little bit and seen what the surveillance state
is doing now. I think that they have like started
to care a little bit more. And these Gen Z
activists are really the ones that are very very good
at keeping safe at these protests, like learning how to

(01:09:31):
not be identified by facial recognition and leaving your phone
at home and writing all these important numbers on your
arm and like like they they are very good at
book your black bagging themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
It's it's just fascinating how it goes from losing all
privacy to be like, eh, who needs it anyway? Oh,
let's just I will track it. Like they're like, yeah,
put the chip in my arm. Who gives a fuck?
It's like no, no, no, no, you're going the wrong way.
It would never oh yes, yes they would.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I think the the conclusion that this podcast came to was,
it's kind of just a numbers game, Like everyone's identity
has been compromised, and so you just have to play
the reverse lotto of what is out of the billions
of people who who have their information floating around on
the internet somewhere, Like, what are the odds of you
being targeted by a scammer or a or someone you know,

(01:10:26):
hacking your bank account or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
I mean, I guess that's just whatever. The the idea
of like the location share thing, I'm like, that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I tell my students that is like deeply weird.

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Yeah, I think it is so me. Well, this girl's like, oh, thought,
that's anonymous. It's like nothing's anonymous. Nothing, nothing's anonymous. They
always know where you are. And so they're like, don't
welcomit into your life. People fight You want to fight
that urge?

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Yeah, it's gonna feel like numb, it's gonna feel like
nova Kane, don't go to sleep. Yeah. So the PA
is like, yeah, I was just saying that this, you know,
also happened to me six months ago.

Speaker 1 (01:11:03):
She says, the the puppy dog eye thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
So it's yeah, right, and they're like, will you testify
and she's like fuck no, and they're like why and
she goes, I want to look at me. I want
to keep my job, and the and then Cariese's like
she took it back at SV She's like, He's like,

(01:11:25):
she took the payoff. I don't. I think she took
a I don't want to get blacklisted.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Well, I think the implication is that she this happened
to her and then she landed a job on this show.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
They don't do a good job of her being like.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
You're right, yeah, but but like you wouldn't land a
job as a PA the pease get paid, dick, I
I assumed that she was already a PA, and like
he assaulted her because she's like an easy target. But
you might be right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I mean, it's here's the thing. It's if you can
belie not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Well yeah yeah and so oh boy. And so they're like, well,
this person sucks and our only uh these ass hats
are going to get away with it, and our only
uh outcry witness is unstable. Right. This is where they

(01:12:21):
another time they call her unstable and Robin stays late
to kind of go through the case. And by go
through the case, I mean look at like some photo
of them from on the vlog.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
Basically that's it. And Dods just like, go home, you
have a baby, and she's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Like, won't you have a baby?

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
She's like sometimes when it's convenient, but also fuck you, dude, right,
like I get it. He's he's the sergeant, so he's
supposed to be, you know, directing Finn.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Not the way, by the way, Finn. Now Finn does
not win any of this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
He's on PTO, I guess, so he's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
He's consulted on whatever. This fucking New York Hustle season three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Yeah, it's just getting paid a lot of money for that.
So there's like a real back and forth where she's
where Rollins is like, what the fuck does that mean?
Are you saying because of a mom like I can't
do this? And then he's like, no, that's not what
I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
And then calls this girl unstable again, and then.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
She calls him after something it's like, oh, you're just
like your daddy's fucking puppet. He's like, fuck you, and
so cut.

Speaker 2 (01:13:27):
To she yelled, wait, she yells, you probably think I
have a blind spot because of my sister. And I'm like,
who said anything about your sister?

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
And I think that's actually what Dodd says. He's like, whoa,
how is this related in any way? And again like
Kim Rollins is legitimately unstable and kind of crazy like
a cod artist.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Oh is that is that why she says? You think
I have a blind spot because this girl's unstable and
my sister is unstable. That is apples and oranges my.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Guy, right, because this, this girl, this victim, has done
absolutely nothing except be raped in a.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Club bathroom and then be right about everything and then.

Speaker 1 (01:14:10):
Just film her experience going through the rape kit and
dealing with the cops process.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
And he so Dodd's is like, listen, the case is over.
My dad is God essentially, and unless these guys get
caught in the act, they're not gonna go down for this.
And She's like, caught in the act, you say.

Speaker 1 (01:14:28):
Hey, wait a second heart smash cut to Robin's taking
shots with both of them at the bar, and I'm like,
he didn't you see as Robin's.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Not been in the same that is a very funny
and b I don't. I'm trying to I'm trying to
not say this like a misogynist. Oh boy, however, oh boy, no,
I think so he's got a type, right, young young,
much younger girls who are not who are like a

(01:15:02):
little bit babe in the woods, right, like not super
I know where.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
You're going with this because I thought the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
I'm like, really yeah, kind kind of naive looking or
sounding or you know. The vibe is significantly different than
the vibe that Amanda Rollins new Mom Amanda Rollins gives off.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
They're slow buffalo hunters.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
I suppose you're right. It's whatever whatever slow buffalo is there, right.

Speaker 1 (01:15:32):
And Rollins is just like, break my knees and put
me on the great planes. I am your slow buffalo
for the slows buffalo.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And I'm like, she's gonna have a mouthful of cocking.
About five minutes and Bierco did, Tomko and Panco like
share a look like wink, we're gonna go rape her
and do our like rape thing, and then that's what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Yep. Cut to so the Rollins is really putting in
some effort here and getting a getting those those hands
of Tomiko are are really doing some exploring.

Speaker 2 (01:16:10):
And then she says. She says, I forgot to tell
you I have a boyfriend back at home.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
Yeah, and Tomiko's like, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Great man, oh cool, gives a ship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Good for you? That like that is gonna somehow stop
me from what is happening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Okay, I have a couple of questions. First question is
what exactly is Rollins's planned here to.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Filmed all of this and then I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Might be able to fight them off, which she ultimately does.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Dude, right, it's a it's a it's a bit of
a risky move.

Speaker 2 (01:16:43):
It is a very risky move. Rollin's like is engaging
in some risky behavior, and as as Panco and Demiico
are essentially attempting to rape Amanda Rollins, another thing that's like,
for the second we can row Rollins is like undercover
and present at a more than two person rate. But

(01:17:06):
I'm thinking this would be a lot simpler if it
was just societally acceptable to fuck your male friends. Like
there is a real I don't think it's like in
the script, but their actor's secret is like they just
wish that they could fuck each other because they are
like sustained eye contact with each other as they're trying
to like rip Amanda Rollins's close off.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
Yeah, I wonder the world would be a better place
if you could just kiss the homies.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
I mean, I think he can. I don't think there's
anything stopping that. You're stopping that, man, How am I
stopping that? What am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
It's society, man, I'm making sustained eye contact with you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
It doesn't work so well over face time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Though, I'm feeling the magic.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Well, hey, at least one of us is there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
You go and uh And then she like kicks Panco
in the in the yards and elbows Dimiko in the
ribs or something and leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
And I'm like, no, she she arrests them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
No she doesn't, because she leaves out and then does
not identify herself as a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Dodds is in the club because he tailed Rollins there,
and so Tomiko sees Dods.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I thought you were going to go home to your
kid who needs you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
So Tomiko's like, oh you know this person. She's like, well,
I was going to arrest you tomorrow, but you're un
to arrest for attempted rape.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Why was she gonna wait? She's like, I was gonna
wait until tomorrow. Why, I don't know what good does
that do?

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I don't know, I really do not like so she
sh could show it to live before.

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
She clearly doesn't need backup.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Well, I mean she does or did it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
She could have could have used this, that would have
been used. She is she has clearly been able to
take care of herself.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
And they're they're literally they're putting them in the back
of the car. Roles and Dodds are outside, and she's like,
fuck you you followed me. And she's like, all right, great,
I'm gonna read him with their Mirinda writes, and Dodds
is like, well about that. No, uh, he lawyered up,
but Panko didn't, is to my understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Correct. And also and also Buchanan shows up and is like,
you guys are really fucking dumb. Like I'm I'm a
bad guy, but like you just made it so much
easier for me to do shitty things.

Speaker 1 (01:19:31):
Yeah. So they it turns out they're like, well, since
he's lawyered up and you're a cop, you can't even
talk to him without his lawyer present, let alone sting him. Uh,
so you gotta you gotta let him go. Oh Rollins,
and Rowins is like, what fuck? Because Rowin's responds like,
she had she known that they had lawyered up, she

(01:19:53):
wouldn't have done that because she was like when when
did that happen? And this is where Dodds is like,
h this morning, would my dad advi them to lawyer?
But again, Hanko wasn't there, So for all I know,
Panco did not lawyer up, so that should still stick
for him.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I suppose so and and and uh Careesi basically poses
that question to bar but he's like, so, Barbara Rollins
was talking to them illegally, but then when she was
talking to them illegally, they did illegal shit. So what
if we arrested them for that? He's like what if?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
He says, like that would make an interesting bar exam question?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yeah, right?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
Which okay? That actually which conveniently later we find out
Karesa takes the bar he took and he was like, no,
but what's the answer to that, because that's that was
on the bar.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Question that was on the bar.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
I want to know if I got it right or not.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
So they bring Chris Christy back in and they're like,
make sure she doesn't record herself this time because she
had last last time, she wasn't recording herself in the
when we were questioning her, and she went online and
told everyone about what happened. So this time we got

(01:21:08):
to make sure she's still not recording us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
You know, I it's very, very inconsistent with this. So
she's at Barba's office and Barbara's like, you will deposit
your phone in this yonder pouch and give us your purse.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
I wouldn't fucking do that if I were sitting around
with a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
You're in the DA's office though, so I would feel
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Better, which we know from the uh the Karl Rednick
episode is being constantly.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Recorded also, yes, so why that's a bit of a
double stater there. So they literally they bring her in.
I think it is griller, and she's like, why are
you doing this? Like we want to give you a taste,
a taste of what it's going to be like a
trial if we moved to trial. She's like, I want
to look them in the eyes and be like you
raped me. They're like, all right, fuck it, let's go
to trial.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Let's fucking go. I guess okay. Then the craziest part
of the episode happens they go to trial, well, you
go to t Corezy is like, ah, there's so many
cameras here. I'm surprised that attention horror isn't out here.
Jesus Christ, Well, fuck you. And then he orders from
like a cart and his order is a kaiser roll

(01:22:14):
with butter and two coffees. So I assume one of
the coffees is for Liz, correct, but a kaiser roll
with Butter. What the fuck is wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
I don't know, but I do have to point something
out in this scene. So they're outside and it is
supposed to be raining because they both they all.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
Have raining a bit.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Yeah, did you scope lives umbrella? It's got like like
an old school what appears to be like a milk
jug on the top of it. Okay, And it was
the most distracting thing because it's in two scenes. It's
in this scene and it's in a later scene with Barbara,
and I don't know what happened to those scenes, because
I was like, what the fuck is this umbrella? What

(01:22:53):
is this? It's just why, what the fuck is this?
It's not it's not a point, it's a fucking milk jug.
Like you would throw a ball at at a fair
for a.

Speaker 2 (01:23:05):
Pro like a like a one of the uh slender ones.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Yeah, like the like a like kind of like caraffe looking.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
Yeah, I know, I have no giant on the.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Top of this umbrella and I I nope done. That
was the prop. I did not see that at all
for the prop department. I was so distracted. It was
like Rolin's Just Wig in that episode.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
I was it was yeah, Cameron Swig. I was distracted
by the the Kai's butter on a Kaiser roll order
and it reminded me of fellow incredible Italian Andrew Cuomo
and his bagel order. Do you remember this from like
a couple so Andrew Cuomo in the New York Times.

(01:23:49):
They they did like this puff piece on him in
June or maybe late May about they asked him what
his what his bagel his go to bagel order is,
because he's he's a real New Yorker even though he
doesn't live in New York City. What's hey, former Governor Cuomo,
what's your go to bagel order? And this is this

(01:24:10):
was his answer quote, bacon, cheese and egg on an
English muffin. And then I try to take off the bacon,
but I don't really take off the bacon. The bagel
I try to stay away from to keep my girlish figure.

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
So so nope, so you don't have a bagel order?
Is what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
Bacon, cheese and egg.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Bacon, egg and cheese, sir, baked bacon, egg and cheese.
That's what that's that's the cadence.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
What absolute psycho has that order and also says that
that way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
It's a bacon, cheese and egg sandwich.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Fuck you, like you've literally never been to a bodega
in your entire life. And then the Jewish independent nonprofit
magazine Forward dot com is like, what this anti semitic
you decide? I mean kind of?

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
I mean I was going to say it was more
of a crime against humanity, yeah, than anti sabbetic.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
So in this conversation where they he orders an insane
Kai's roll with butter, Cariese says that Rollins told him
that she was just trying to She didn't know, she's
just trying, and Live is like, tell Rollins, I don't
like triangles.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Yeah, because she's like, yeah, Rolins didn't tell me that,
Because she told you that, because she knew that you
would tell me that because she doesn't want to. It's
just like if you just get it over with.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
With with, which I think is is valid and in
this in this context makes sense. But it's funny to
hear a fifty year old woman be like I hate triangles,
like what happened? Like like like Noah draws a triangle
on his dumb little piece of paper and Olivia justes.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
She has like a real like no wires hangers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
Every yeah, break out. I hate Egyptians, like Egypt should
be wiped off the map. They're fucking triangles.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
So Buchanan is, I hate Pythagoras.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, Pythagorists could get fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
If I see that guy in the street up, I'll
punch him in the face.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
So Buchanan is like, I can't wait to hear what
story she tells on the stand, because she's told so
many different stories.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
And I'm like, not really though, it's pretty not realistic.
It's just it was there was a lot of cock,
and I didn't like the cock for me either.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
And also like she's like it's like a very clear
reason why she withheld some stuff, which is like he's
very famous, and I didn't want that smoke, which like,
which is also proof that she's not attention seeking. But whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
It's also like again maybe it's twenty twenty five eyes
here where it's like, yeah, that's that's Look at all
of the influence that he has over the fucking NYPD.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Why would I so very clear?

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
The fact that the cops have actively fought me on
this the whole way is maybe an indication of the
reason why I was maybe a little bit hesitant, Yeah,
to share all this information.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
Why are you yelling at me? I'm right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Like the fact that they then have the cops on
the stand, they have got like Dodds Junior on the
stand being like, this is what happened, blah blah blah
blah blah. It's like because because it's like, oh, then
you didn't believe her, you didn't do it. It's like correct,
it's like they which she's on the sand, she'd be like,
did you hear what the cops were saying? That's the
fucking reason I didn't say anything. That's also this, this
is the case. This is the meal, Banya, this is

(01:27:43):
the reason.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
But it also it also is easy enough for someone
to be like, it's not that we didn't believe her,
but there is a real, uh burden of proof that
we have, and we couldn't get over that hurdle until now,
which is why we're here now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
Also, they're like, yeah, because I think DU's was like, no,
I didn't believe her, and then she got the rape
kicked on. I was like, okay, that's yeah, never mind,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
We have actual evidence science. So uh, she goes on
the stand and this is this is really bad.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
So she gets taken apart like a doll.

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
Buchanan says, so you lied to the police because you
thought it was your fault and everywhere, and uh, Barbera's
like objection, what what the fuck does that mean?

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
Also, isn't that something that has been hammered down our
fucking throats this entire show, which is oftentimes victims don't
come forward because they don't think anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
Will believe them, My fucking god. And then he puts
up her blog Towncrier Dot Yolo.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Okay, this is a geocity fucking sight with the counter
with the fucking the counter the counter. Oh my no.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Her confession about like at the hospital about the rape
got nineteen thousand views, and I'm like, that's kind of low.
But he's like, this is you get paid perview right
click per click, and she's like, I mean no, that's
like you have to watch it for a certain amount
of time. Okay, whatever, It's more complicated than that, but

(01:29:13):
it's more complicated that. And then her her like screed
against SVU and the cops had like four hundred thousand views,
and he's like, do you know what your average your
highest viewed video was before this all happened, And she's like,
I don't know, eight hundred. This is so like seven
hundred and four, dude, seven hundred and four. And you

(01:29:35):
think that she's some fucking media savvy like that, this
is a fun This is a fucking nobody, dude. I
could I could put a fart on YouTube and get
seven hundred and four views? Are you fucking kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
She can get sued by Blake Lively with those numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Yeah, yeah, take that each shit, Blake and uh. And
also the Democratic Party could be organizing a assive campaign
against Sydney Sweeney with the five hundred view or it
could be this podcast, oh take each ship Strive for
seven hundred views.

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Each ship, us all us.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
All and uh, and he does Matt's favorite thing where
he's like, isn't it true that you were a whore?
And then you are dancing like a whore and Barbara
goes objection. He goes with drown.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Yeah, it's like just say whatever you want as long
as you end it with and with drum, you don't
even have to have an objection. You can just go
on that. And it's like preamptively with drum and the
judges it like strike that from the record, damn regardless.
This was a very interesting episode in that the back
and forth between Barbara and the judge in terms of
like the actual objections and everything like that. The judge

(01:30:44):
and this one is actually like active in the case,
being like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
Yeah, stop this, please stop, but not not maybe not
active enough. And he says his his big finish is,
you know, no one knows what happened in that ten
minutes when you weren't on camera, either on your vlog
or on security camera, so anything could have happened. But

(01:31:09):
I guess telling stories is your art form.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
It's not really anything. But she's more of a documentarian.
But he points out the VA He's like, Okay, here's
all the footage you were happy, happy, happy ten minutes
where you say you were raped, and then you're back
on the floor dancing and you look happy there, So
you were happy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
The whole die doesn't look that happy, but short.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
I mean, it's like, so you were happy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
That's that's his story, right, you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:33):
Were happy all night except for these convenient ten minutes
where you say that you were raped. Got it okay?

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
But telling stories is his art form. That's his whole
fucking thing, is creating a narrative that exculpates his fucking
yeah clients.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
Yes, So we uh, we go outside the court where
Barbara is sitting there being like, well that was fucking rough,
and then Caresy comes up and it's like, hey, Barbara,
just so you know, I took the bar. I think
it went my hero. If I passed the bar, I
owe it to you. And it's like, uh, okay, great,
and then lift kids off the elevators. Like the jury's back.

(01:32:15):
He's like, well, this that was fucking fast. I don't
think they even sat down, and it's not guilty across
the board.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
At first, Barbara's like, okay, here's the plan. I get
to gonna they're gonna call the fucking defendants to the
stand because it's a it's a he said, she said,
he said, And I'm gonna trick them into opening the
door and I'll use so I can use an insane,

(01:32:42):
illegally procured video by Amanda Rollins. And they get into
the court and if.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
You can't, it's like, yeah, they're not gonna testify.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Defense rests.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
It's like, where up? That didn't go the way I
wanted it to. Uh, And the jury COEs back. They
find not guilty for for both of them, and then
we cut to the squad in back back in the
squad room, and they're just watching the news of the
Kim Rolins tape and it's and the reporters just like, well,

(01:33:13):
the judge wouldn't allow this, so these people that were acquitted,
look at this.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Christie's last line before we leave the court is I'm
a national joke. Now not really, you got seven hundred
four views.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
People people don't really care that much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:30):
Yeah, sorry, I mean like, I mean like it sucks,
and it's like that doesn't mean that what happened to
you wasn't a horrible crime, but like, no, no one
cares really sorry, And so right, so uh, it's very
clear that Rollins leaked the video, and Dodds and or

(01:33:51):
Careesy is like, talk about Waterloo, there goes his Netflix
series because but he does playing Napoleon.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
We don't know, to be fair, we don't know who
he plays.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
That's very true what a Napoleon was an American spy.
But speaking of Waterloo, mam, I mean but different August
fifteenth Dynasty typewriter.

Speaker 1 (01:34:14):
I just gonna say, just waiting for you to make
an ab A reference.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
There you go. Apa snaps and Olivia goes in fucking hot,
and it's like, Rollin's my office now, and I'm thinking,
and Rollin's like, I didn't do it. I swear I
didn't do it. I swear, And I'm waiting for Olivia
to be like I did.

Speaker 1 (01:34:32):
It, but no, instead she's like get the fuck out
of here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
You Why are you fucking taking a lot of your
own hands, like Olivia, Olivia, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
I know. It's a bit pot kettle there. But Dodds
comes in. He's like, am I interrupting? And Rollin's like yeah,
it lives, Like no, what do you what do you want?
Rollins leaves and Dodds is like yeah, Rolin's didn't do
it question?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Don't you don't want to know who did it? But
you'll never find out who did it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:05):
Don't ask any questions, Dick Wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
And the final line is, I don't want to put
you between me and my father, so you might want
to stop asking questions, which, as I said my recap,
is something one says when they are in the mob.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
And I think he also says like, oh, Dimico got
what he deserved for something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So like and that's the black I'm
starting to like this show again if I just forget
that they're cops, right, and it's like it's like a
show about a mob that like also is bad at
at doing it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
It's like it's like a crime drama but the cops.

Speaker 2 (01:35:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's uh, that's the Dick Wolf.
Law and Order SVU season sixteen, Season seventeen, Episode sixteen
Starstruck victims from Trivia Corner. Early in the episode, the
set that Dodds meets Bobby Demico at is a real
street in Washington Heights called Sylvan Terrace. The twenty Wooden

(01:36:05):
Town homes are privately owned residences and Craig Bierco appeared
in the two thousand and three episode Escape, which is
also the episode with Milo Vntimiglia.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
Yeah, it's they're held hostage in the motel. So he's
a it's a respawn.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Yeah, yeah, oh that's that's a fun term. Yeah, respawn. Nice. Yeah,
that's a good one. And from user review Corner, Oh boy,
this is from Michelle Michelle, but it's m I S
H A E L So Michael but with an S
got it fifty three from January seventeenth, twenty twenty four,

(01:36:49):
three out of ten stars. Another terribly written episode, ding Ding.
Once again, the sv writers think the audience are absolute morons. Yep,
Gollin's Golle Robin's going rogue and not telling her superior
that she's going to set a trap without a warrant
ready without our authorization while the investigation is ongoing. Is

(01:37:11):
Robin's twelve years old in her first year on the
force that she doesn't know how the law works. It's
beyond ridiculous. Along with this, Benson herself has gone rogue,
so her character to all of a sudden act like
she's been a follow the rules Saint Benson is also ludicrous.
And out of character. Oh, she's follow all the rules.

(01:37:31):
Saint Benson is also ludicrous and out of character. And
don't get me started on the annoying vlogger girl. She
has over one hundred thousand followers. That means she wait,
she does say that she has done this thousd followers?
What hell? You have seven hundred and four views on
your most viewed video? What the fuck are your followers doing?
She has over one hundred thousand followers, That means she

(01:37:53):
makes money from her site and therefore is an open
target to get sued for libel because she has no
evidence to prove her case and she kept changing her story.
That's actually a pretty good point. If he was so
confident that he could get away with it, he would
sue her for liable or he'd sue her to get
her to settle or something to get her to drop that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:13):
I mean, I feel like, when was this review written?

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
This is from twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
See I feel like back when this episode aired, Yes,
you could do that, but I feel like that did
not become the go to move in the playbook.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
For sure. For sure, no one drops that kind of
information when they've gotten that big without consulting a lawyer,
once again treating us the audience like we're ignoramuses. And
if they want to show the complexities of her situation,
then they should have focused on that as well as
not making her one of the most annoying people. So
there's zero empathy for the victim. I don't find her

(01:38:48):
that annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
Right, Like, she really doesn't have much of a character
to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah, all in all, this episode left me eye rolling
yet again. It could have been a good episode if
they had just worked a little harder and didn't assume
we would fall for the drama. What this was written
in the latter half of the two thousands. The audience
doesn't fall for cheap antics. I assure you that they do.

Speaker 1 (01:39:10):
The cheaper they are, the more they'll fall for him.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Buddy from atex Chad from June's second twenty twenty five
atex Chad, by the way, reviewed a bunch of episodes
in June of twenty twenty five Good seven at ten stars.
What did she expect?

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
Who?

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
This was a tough one because it could only end
one way. This girl definitely gets raped, but everything that
happens during and after the assault guarantees an acquittal. I
feel sorry for her and believe her final testimony, but
all of her actions gave the jury no choice. The
writers did not give us a close one, did not
give us any real doubt. We had other witnesses and

(01:39:50):
Rollins's tape, but without them, the bad guys get to
escape justice. Sad but true that defense attorney has appeared
multiple times. He's ruthless. Love him or hate him? Who
could love him? He knows how to push people's buttons
and knows exactly what to say to make his point
fight for his client. His examinations of people on the
stand are brutal but smartly done. The actor plays the

(01:40:13):
character well and makes us hate him perfectly. I would, however,
like to know why the writers seem to think we
need to see Benson's face every five second story of trial.
Is that in her contract I need X number of
minutes of screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
It was like whatever she was speaking was like Italian
or something that other episode for no reason, because yeah,
oh that was the Italian press calling me.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I also want to point out that that is in
the Rock and Vin Diesel's contracts in the Fast and
Furious movies that they have to have the exact same
amount of screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
Why don't I That is not surprising at all.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
Yeah, which also happened in New Frame Browder Rabbit with
the Warner Brothers and Disney cartoons. All the Warner Brothers
in Disney allowed Roger Rabbit to have both of their
characters as long as they shared equal screen time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
See that makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Yeah, yeah, the other stuff does not.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
Well. I mean, I understand why they would want that,
but it's.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Yeah, yeah, I need X number of minutes of screen
time each episode. I need the focus to still be
on me. Makes no sense. Benson all the way down
Rollins's throat after her secret operation, talking to her as
if Rollins is an untrustworthy piece of garbage, holds holding
grudges from long ago, throws her baby in her face,
not literally, Benson the sanctimonious. How many times does she

(01:41:29):
do the exact same thing? How many times did Craigan
give her a pass? He never held it against her,
never let it go past the episode? But no, Benson,
No with four oh's, No, but no, Benson, the almighty, untouchable,
the infallible. I'm so tired of this. Did she give
Dodds the same treatment when he admitted to it. Oh no,

(01:41:52):
the boss's son as in multiple bosses, she could get
knocked down for abusing him. He even though we all
know the writers won't let her foot, let her foot
come out of the saddle of her high horse. Is
a text Chad Amanda Rollins.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
The fictional character of Amanda Rollins.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
Yeah, then that's our episode law in Order, SVU season seventeen,
Episode sixteen, Starstruck Victims. There's also another review from Aki
Cork that says, I think this is actually a tribute
to the talent of Delandy Williams, who plays John Buchanan. Yeah,
pretty good, slees with a capital s. That's our episode

(01:42:36):
for this week lot or SVU season seventeen, Episode sixteen,
Starstruck Victims. If you agree or disagree with us, if
you know that a text Chad is secretly the fictional
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It has gotten more and more difficult to rate and
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(01:43:32):
in next week when review and review and lovenly very
cool Law and Order SVU Season seventeen, Episode seventeen, Double
seventeen's Manhattan Transfer. I remember this being an episode that
people told us about. I remember that the name not
a good thing. While SVU investigates a pair of vice

(01:43:54):
cops found in the middle of an underage prostitution string.
So sorry, an underage prostitution sting involving high ranking public officials.
Holy shit, the team discovers that a priest might be
involved in a high school sex trafficking ring. I have
to I have to take this one again.

Speaker 1 (01:44:14):
Yeah, we haven't had a good clergy one in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
But this is like in everything. SVU investigates a pair
of vice cops found in the middle of an underage
prostitution sting. So there are cops who are double crossing
the cops and pimping out children.

Speaker 1 (01:44:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
That, and it also involves some high ranking public officials,
so there are some let's say Donald Trump types who
are frequenting some child sex slaves. The team discovers that
a priest may be involved in a high school sex
trafficking ring. So like a second, a secondary ring is happening. Yeah,

(01:44:55):
it's two rings running concurrently, and one of them is
right by the It's like the perfect storm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:01):
But it's like if these two these two rings combined,
it Okay, it seems like it might be a bit overstuffed,
but let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:45:11):
And the priest, Monsign mul Reagan is played by a
man named Jonathan Cake. Huh Cake like the food nice?

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Until until then, I don't really know what to say
to that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
Yeah, so until then, four Law and Order Special Viewing Unit.
I just fucking exploded on the tarmac. Until that, four
A Law and Order Special view Unit.

Speaker 1 (01:45:37):
I'm a Ruby and I met Reuter. We will see
you guys next week.

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