Episode 385 - S17E19 - Sheltered Outcasts - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hello, listen, say welcome back to another episode of Law
and Order Special viewing you and at the show where review, review,
and a lovingly rinnacule Everyone's favorite cop drama, Law and Order,
a special victims unit, every episode in a row from
the beginning.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Not in my backyard.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I am your host, Matt Ruyter, joining me as always,
the the Michael Rapport of this podcast. Man, well, I mean,
who would you rather be the rapist? I don't well,
I guess he's well, he's a rapist to the active
rapist the current there's really not a lot of other
people the or would you like to be the vigil anti?

Speaker 3 (00:40):
Dad Dodds, the Mike Dodds of this podcast?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Who is He's not off the show? Is he? No,
he's got a couple of cents left.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, he's got a couple of episodes.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
That's of ever reside over there? How are you doing
this morning of EVE?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I wish I could say I never doubted you.

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Gotta go, gotta go by one way to end that
that friends right, like you couldn't have been like, hey man,
I'm happy for you.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm glad you got that job.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hopefully look on the bright side.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
You're not in jail, right, Like, have we found out
has Careasy gotten his bar results back yet? I forget
they would have said.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
No, they would have said and I'm certain that that
happens at the end of the I was gonna say semester,
at the end of the season, and then he's just
a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
It's like, you know what you should do, Careasey, whenever
you get your bar certification, you should do whatever the
fucking As it turns out the serious spoiler alert, the
serial rapist was doing to try to get his like
sexuals just people, well, no, like he should. In that
part where we were.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
It here first, Matt Reuter advocates dominic Keresi to start
raping people.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know what, we're staring into the abyss and it
is staring back in terms of just the world. No,
but like whatever, uh his lawyers like, hey, Careasy, since uh,
since fucking Michael re Report helped you as you were
being jumped. Like now we're gonna try to get his
sexual right yeah, yeah, like his registerative justice. Yeah, like

(02:16):
do that, that's what you should do, Careesy, not just
like you know what, fuck you, you fucking rapist. I
hope you burn in hell? Like what the is this ship?
What did? What did we learn in this episode? And like,
I you know, we'll we'll get into it as as
we're going on. But how are you doing this morning
of Eve?

Speaker 2 (02:36):
I'm doing Okay, you've got.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
A you've got a story with a robot and a
dentist and you have not died yet.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
So it's a it's a it's a dentist. It's a
robot that works for the dentist. So okay, the.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Robot works for not what the robot is a robot.
You may think it's it may.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Know what robot means, Matt, it means slave. Anyway, I okay.
My friend James h is a producer of movies and
well you know, independent movies, and has taken on this
project about a killer dentist.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I don't think that's a spoiler.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I'm we alredy done that. It's called like the Dentist.

Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, So so this guy he wrote the script.
It's it's about a killer dentist. Is the dentist justified
in killing or have they just snapped?

Speaker 2 (03:32):
You'll have to watch the movie to find out.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So it's like Dexter, but he's a dentist.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
You know what kind of the dentist only kills other dentists.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
Evil dentist.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And so it was written by a dentist, and so
part of the.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well it's gonna get excited to say, so the script
needs work, which is really common. Yeah, And so James
brought me in I read the script, and he brought
me into the like into the family to do a
rewrite of the script. So I talked to the dentist

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about the story and you know, the rate and all
this other stuff. It was our first phone conversation. And
he's like, well, I have a dental practice up in Modesto,
which is like near San Francisco, and come up and
like you can see the see the location and then

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we can like figure out what takes place where, which
is like cool great. So you know, he invited me
up to Modesto. And then he's like, and if you
need any dental work done, oh god, like, I'll just
do your dental work for free.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
So he's like, can I take it out in trade?

Speaker 3 (04:54):
So yeah, So so basically I'm getting like a certain
amount of money and then a certain amount of because
I haven't I haven't a dental insurance like two years.
He's like, Oh, I don't worry about it. You don't
need dental insurance with me. But like part of me
is like.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
This, this feels like a skit. You're gonna get a
surprise bill after this.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
No, I think I'm gonna get a surprise murdered because
I read fifty pages of just like a dentist torturing someone,
and then I call the guy who wrote it, and
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
And he offers your free dental work. Yeah right right,
so you know how Spider caught himself a couple of flies.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Exactly, so I think.

Speaker 3 (05:29):
So I'm saying, I'm telling you, and I'm telling all
of the people on the show, just as like if
I go missing, check.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Modesto, the greater Modesto.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Area, desert area for my buried by.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I'm just getting the visual right now, Like this is
the equivalent of the scene and fucking weapons at the
end where the cop just like comes out of the
like opens the door, stands there, it just does that
like gesture here. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, I I you know, I can't turn down free dentistry.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Who could?

Speaker 1 (06:04):
I mean, but for someone that refuses any sort of
anesthetic or local topical.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Or I said, I like the topicals. Fine, listen, it's
like crazy. But he said that he has like a robot,
like a robot arm that does. He's like, ah, take
care of your ship. Your ship will be all great.
It's the robot. And I have a laser and a robot.
And I was like, what the fun what do you use?
The laser could definitely kill somebody.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
We should look at the laser and see how it
could kill someone in the movie. And I was like, Okay,
you can use this laser on me. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
What does What does I mean? Right? This is fucking
capitalism has destroyed everything? What the fuck does a what
a great question.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I will find out maybe I don't know if I
want to and maybe be allowed to live.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Next episode, you're just gonna be like coming to live
with no teeth.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah, it's gonna be in like tier three weeks that
you'll when are you going away again? Uh?

Speaker 1 (07:07):
In two or three?

Speaker 3 (07:08):
Leaving on the sixteenth, Okay, so I will be so
you'll be back being the dentist.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
We will have results of whether I have been murdered
or not before you leave.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Interesting, Okay, Well, but what.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Is the I have no self preservation instinct at all?
Have you no?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Like you're like a bowl When you see a red flag,
you're like, here we go here right at it?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
When you're wearing rose colored glasses. All the red flags
just look like flags.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Well they would look like flags regardless the color, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
The term look like look like regular flag, look like
no flats look like what you know, regular flags?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
They look for the same as everything else. What a weird? Yeah,
but that's your question. I'm doing good to be so.
Last last episode, I said, how we were going to
go see Josh Johnson? That show was last night? How
was it really really good? Except so the did you no? No,
we were no, no, no, we were in like the

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the fucking nosebleeds of the theater. So no, thankfully did not. Now,
so a couple of things. Uh want to give a
a hearty recommendation to anyone that is looking for a
place to get some good barbecue in Seattle. Uh, there
is a place called Radiator Whiskey. Uh really excellent. Yeah,

(08:31):
actually it was fucking fantastic. I had a really good
brisket Cassi get like a it's a smoked and fried chicken. Yeah,
really really good. Now we're also in the middle of
what I hope to God is the last like heat
wave of the Greater Pacific Northwest. It was hope that
I really yeah, at least of the season, uh, because

(08:54):
it was just fucking ungodly hot. And then we get
into the theater and it is even more ungodly hot.
It's not air conditioned. Oh they don't have and we're
sitting up top too, so it's already fucking hot, is
ship like. And it's not just me, like I always
run hot, like I'm always dying of of like just

(09:16):
being warm all the time. Cassie, not so much when
I say, like everyone in the like everyone in the
theater and we were we were on the second balcony
and there's no elevators and old building type things, so
it's like you gotta take the stairs. And I saw
so many people get up the one stairwell and then

(09:38):
just be like just just lay down no, and then
just said like fuck it, we're not seeing that, like
it ate the ticket and left, Oh really yeah, because
they were wow. Yeah, a lot of like they were
people that were kind of older and it was just
like they got to the one landing and like seriously,
like they all like because I you know, we got

(09:59):
our seats, and then I went down to go get
us water from the concession stand because it was just
so fucking hot, and you know, so I go up.
I went up, and then and like some people had
like fans, like the like the ones that I brought
to your wedding, and I'm like, son.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Of a man, hur fan.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
Yeah, I didn't realize that the the we had never
been to this theater, so I was like, I didn't
realize it wasn't air conditioned. So we're sitting there and
we both just looked at it like we both should
have brought like our fucking church fans to this shit.
So instead I had to go down and there was
some sort of a community center booth type thing at
the entrance that they were promoting, and I was just like,

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you know what, they had a bunch of fucking literature.
I'm just gonna go down and grab a bunch of
make That's literally what I did. So I went down
because the lady that was run of the booth had
like a an actual kind of fan, not just a
piece of paper. But and I was like, are you
giving those? It looked like it's something it would be
like a free giveaway at like a radio booth at
a festival or some shit like that, so I was

(10:58):
like did I was like, do you have are you
giving these? Because it had like some sort of it
was branded like Washington Healthcare System, so I.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Was going scientology at that point, man, I would have
considered it.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
I was like, I will watch the video if you
give me the fan I know, I'm not gonna say
I'm gonna join funny And the lady was just like,
n someone gave this to me. I don't. I don't
know where they got it. And I was like oh,
And then she was like, would you like some of
our literature? And I was like, do you mind if
I'm literally not going to read it. She's like I don't,
I don't. I was gonna do it either way. But

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I was just like, I'm not gonna shit you here.
I'm not going to read this.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
I have no idea what this is to follow up yet.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Yeah, but it was. It was a hilarious show, but
like people were like dying in like my section, we
were like falling over. Yeah. It was. It was so
fucking bad, Like it really did kind of put a
bit of a damper on, Like it was a really
funny set, really funny, like the openers are good.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
You can't but if.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
You're like, the second that you stop fanning yourself, you're
just like no, and back then you're like just you're
just vigorous. Everyone's just vigorously fanning themselves and those that
didn't have anything are just sitting there like I'm dying
up here as you're like, ah, it's it's like you're
laughing like fucking Ray Liota in fucking jod Fellas.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's just hot breath.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Oh it was. It was so fucking bad. But Hi,
the recommend saying, Josh Shatzon's very very funny.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, he's He's quite funny. Per our discussion.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
A couple of weeks ago, Leanne got tickets LeAnn one
tickets to the John Williams Maestro of the Movies at
the Hollywood Balls to the Hollywood Bowl again yesterday and
and so the deal with the John Williams show is
like selected pieces from his whatever his career, and David

(12:48):
Newman was the was the conductor, and he as I
learned from the what I can only refer to as
the Star Wars. Twink sitting next to us did the
music for Anastasia because in between pieces he would see
he would yell at Anastasia, what's upon in December? And

(13:11):
so I this is like I'm gonna I'm gonna be
like a little reitery here. But like, people do not
know how to behave in public?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
How does that make you? Calling out the fact that
people don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
How to act?

Speaker 3 (13:23):
You, Well, you call out people that don't know how
to act all the time, correct, right, so.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
You're just accept what the world gives you.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Well, so so not not yesterday, because as you might imagine,
there are screens up and there's like a big screen
in the middle that for the first half of the
concert was just like just have like basically a screensaver background.
It was just like it looked like water and it
like would change color based on what they were you know,

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when they were playing hook it was like gold, and
when they were playing Memoirs of a Geisha it was
like red.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Whatever, it's funny you said, because I was like gonna ask,
It's like, how does this work? Do they just put
like scenes of the movies up and then they play along.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
With so yeah, so the two dudes behind us in
Star Wars shirts. Draw your own conclusion about like what
these dudes looked and smelled like. And the first act
before intermission, the screen was just that, like that screensaver

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looking things, and they spent the I think the intermission
was like twenty five minutes, the entire twenty five minutes
intermission complaining about how there was nothing on the screen.
I feel cheated. There's nothing on the screen. They better
put something on the screen. Why wouldn't they put something
on the screen. I'm gonna ask for my money back.
You think they're gonna put something on the screen? That

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wasn't halfway?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Well?

Speaker 3 (14:52):
They should have. They should have started. That was just
the warm up. They should have started with et. They
should put something on the screen. I feel cheated, over
and over and over again, and thank god they they
kind of started before the intermission. But the second that
the second part of the show started, something went up

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on the screen, and I was like, thank fucking God,
because these gu I was about to get into a fight.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
These guys were It's.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Like you're I do get it on some level, sure,
but at the same time, it's not like you went
to go see like Jaws with right and Joy, yeah,
you know, or because I think what you said you did,
you've done like Back to the Future in Jurassic Park.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think that's the future in the Jurassic Park. I
did star Trek and singing in the right.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
So it's not like you were like, we're gonna go
see this specific movie and then they're gonna play along
with them. It's like, no, you are coming here specifically
to listen to the music of John Williams. Like it's
a it's a it's an audio medium.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
You're watching the Infinity, you're watching the La Philharmonic, and
they're like, amazing. Then the La fill her mine, right,
and and so they like basically only wanted to hear
Star Wars and that's it, which is fine, I guess.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean, watch the Staranger.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Of a score like it's it's an old timer, but.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Like mercifully there's no Harry Potter. But right when the
like second half of the show was about to start,
they're like, oh, do you think something's gonna be on
the screen. And then someone else who was equally as
annoyed with them next them was like, you know, they
probably can't do it because of the rights, like they
probably can't like license the clips, which is so not true,

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but whatever, and the guys are like, oh, yeah, that's
a good point. Well why can't they just put up
a picture, put up at least a picture. What about
E T and the bike? I just do a just
do the poster.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Was just just put the ambulant logo.

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Josh, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
That is the example of people like you bought a
ticket wanting to hate.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
This correct and like like, first of all, the Hollywood
I'm not like, oh, man, give it. You shouldn't, you
should allow you shouldn't. You should take what you get
and be thankful. But like the Hollywood Bowl, like they
know what they're doing, just like yeah, going in the right.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And who the fuck are you, asshole?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Like But another another cute little moment was so they
closed with Star Wars. Obviously all the Star Wars stuff,
and uh, you know, it was getting kind of late.
People bring their kids, and so there was a I
would guess about a five or a six year old
who just had had enough right when Star Wars was

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about to happen, and he was like, man, it was
like screaming and wanted to go home or whatever. And
I have not heard I have not heard so many
adults be.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
My god.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
They were like grown as adults, be like we win
the whole time for this shut to get up.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
I mean, look, it's a kid. I get that. It's
a I So I guess here's the better question. What
were what was the parents of the child or the parents?

Speaker 3 (18:08):
I think that they took it. I think that they
took the kid out of the bawl, like okay, they
left with.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
The kids, so they well I didn't mean like was
it like a was it a kidnapping? But liked were
they like were they also like kid, you need to
shut the fuck up?

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yes, for sure, for sure the parent was like tried
to make this.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Go away, okay, see because I feel like and it.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Also didn't last that long.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It was like maybe thirty seconds to a minute, like
let the just calm calm down, everybody, So this.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Is this is interesting. So like you, I'm a kid hater,
I am too. I am too. And while I I
do try to as much as I can have some
grace for parents with small kids, because like they're fucking small,

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they're little terrorists that you have.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
You invited into your health, that.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
You specifically you made an effort to create this terrorist
for X amount of years before it turns into like
a sort of human thing that you can.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
I mean fucking maybe, yeah, not.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
So much anymore. But like so I I really do
have tried to have some grace for But at the
same time, consider like you're paying for the extra ticket,
like take that ticket money and just just.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
A mommy, buy a babysitter right, like, because.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
You know what, the kid probably doesn't want to do
Cohens listen to the fucking symphony as it was the
fil Hemond phil Harmony. But still okay, but you know.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
It's well in that case, Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I mean, I like, it takes a lot for me
to side with a parent that brings their child to
a public event, but like they seemed to be handling
the situation as best as possible and then like fifty dudes,
we're like.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Shh, I just I one of the numerous the laundry
list of reasons I could never be a parent or
whatever want to be because it's like nah.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Because because you're like I also hate this.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, like I also don't enjoy this and frankly, I'm
gonna tell the kid tuck and roll as we're driving home,
because it's like, you know, I've had enough of this.
I'm over it. This is done. Yeah, and now a
very very quick trip to the mail bag. We only
have one GAMEIL. I don't know what, I don't know
what I think.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
I think similarly with the with the Blues.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
The irony of the one GAMEIL being related to BLUESK.
So the only email that we have today is from
listener Peggy an Uh in an email entitled blue Skuy
suspends various trans authors over anti JK rolling posts and
then it just includes a link to an article that
I didn't read, probably saying.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
I mean, yeah, this basically what happened.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Subject line of the email says, so that's great.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
So yeah, the the long and short of it is that.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
There JK Rowling fucking sucks. Yeah, and that's the ship.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
So the posts were considered like I don't want to
say hate speech, but like irony, like threatening.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Right.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
So so it was a YouTuber and writer named Jesse
Earl who said, I I wish ill on JK Rowling
and so okay, that's that is. That is that's one right,
that's one category. Someone else, Gretchen Felker Martin wrote, I

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hope someone splits her skull, which is not a thing
that I don't wish, however, a threat.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
It's it's definitely a different category than I wish ill
on JK Rowling.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I mean, if I were to say here on this podcast,
I hope that is that a threat.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
It's just a desire not You're not saying that you're
going to do it.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm saying I wish. I wish that would happen.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
I wish I won't get Will someone do it? Yeah?
So I think it.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I think it also is speaks really loudly that it
is a person who is constantly spouting very hateful speech.
Is like one group is punished while the other group
is sort of ignored, not even group. I mean, she
is part of a group that does this, but she's
you know, a billionaire that is just allowed to do
whatever the fuck she wants to do.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Once again, maybe it's the black.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
Mold or the money or the money, the money. Yeah,
who can say?

Speaker 5 (22:54):
So?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
That uh, that that sucks.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
And in related news, Blue Sky has been banned in Mississippi.
Why so in sort of the weirdest it's like it's
not even close to the reason that you might be thinking.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Oh, there might be a gay person on it.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
No, that's the reason that you might be thinking.

Speaker 3 (23:17):
So, uh, Mississippi has a really strict age verification.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Law, and yeah, what the fuck is with this? All
this like this has become like the new topic du
jour and I've really missed a lot of this in
terms of like.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
So much like every other Republican law law that gets
put forward, it's not actually about right this, yeah, the
safety of minors. But House Bill one one two six
is uh trying to age gate social media in the

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US to intensibly block minors from accessing explicit content. But
it is having the let's say, unintended wink effect of
censoring stuff that goes in and out of Mississippi. And

(24:19):
so Blue Sky does not age verify and they don't
have the functionality to so they they post it. They
blewed themselves ah and said like hey, man, like we
cannot do this, and the law like like building this
functionality would take so long that the law would probably change.

(24:40):
It's currently being challenged. So like, right now we have
no choice but to go dark in Mississippi.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Let me guess Twitter, totally fine.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Oh, Twitch fine, Twitch to the place where where all
the AI porn lives.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Totally fine.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, doesn't age Verify doesn't do any of that shit.
But no one's okay.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
I think that they do age verify.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
But it's just like as a checkbox, you just have
to be like, I agree that I'm above whatever age.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Which I would find that hard to believe that Blue
Sky could not whip that up in two seconds.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
I think that I think that different companies are being
held to different standards.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
You don't fucking say, well, I do say that that's
a hinky now fucking isn't it? People?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Uh and uh that's male?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
But what about uh Blue Ski?

Speaker 2 (25:26):
That's it. That's the only Blue Sky I had to talk.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
About even have a bleach.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
No, I just had like a Blue Sky related thing
to say. Oh, okay, a couple of plugs. I want
to make a plug for a band call Jesus. I
just like almost started crying for no reason. I want
to make a plug for a band called Dead Pioneers,
who I'm going to see in like twelve hours. They
are an indigenous punk band from from Colorado. Your your

(25:55):
former stopping grounds home state, Yeah, stomping grounds. And they
have a song called Bad Indian which oh here, Yeah,
you play it for us? Yeah, I played it on
the show. It's really really great. And so this is
their first time in California. They played like in San
Pedro last night, and a couple of friends of mine
went and they were like, it fucking ripped. And so

(26:15):
I'm going tonight at a bar that you know downtown,
so nice check out. Check out Dead Pioneers. They are amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Actually, I'll give a a I'll put the beacon up
for the whatever small reach that I have here. So
there is a a it's a country bar, like country
music bar here in Seattle. But it's been around for
like ninety years. It's one of these like it's institution
type things called the Red Hen. It's over in Green Lake.

(26:47):
It's not that far from here anyway. Apparently again could
because we live in capitalistic hell. So someone bought the
building in which this barn is in and they are
trying to close it down. So they have put out
the call on social media and stuff to basically like
come here and patronize this bar, so like yeah, so uh, Cassidy,

(27:13):
we've never been, but the idea of having a.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
We haven't saved the head.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
Well, we have not been yet. We're planning on going tonight.
I don't know there they have I think they have
live music every night. Yeah, so it's a real we have.
We're we're being stripped of every single fucking thing in
the world right now, writes money, the whole bit. But

(27:39):
like and now now they're coming for community too, and
it's like, you know what, it's not even my community,
but I want it to be, so you know what, like.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
And and odds are like the person that bought that
building is uh a part of Blackstone.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah, probably or some other fucking headship. Fun like that,
you know there was. I mean, we'll get off the
soapbox here because whatever this is us shouting into the
void about the things that should be happening and not
happening right now. But it's like, you know what if
a functional fucking government would do to help solve a
lot of problems. It's like something pass a goddamn law

(28:17):
that like if you are a head you cannot buy
real estate. That's that's the deal. Like you could.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Buy also should we also should pass the thing that
says that Congress people can't buy stock us.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
We should do that too. It's like when you have
companies that are just buying up properties and leaving them
fucking vacant. And I'm not even talking about like airbnbs
or something like that. At least it's being used, but
like literally struggling, that's true, but like every fucking build
like so many buildings are being bought and then they're

(28:50):
just sitting vacant with no effort to fill them with whatever. Meanwhile,
we've got a fucking housing crisis, and it's like, you
see how you could fix that, right, understand.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Give give these people that you've got.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
People are exactly like, is that am I taking crazy
bills with the idea? I mean, I guess I am,
because it's like, no, we're not ringing every last fucking
penny out of every single person shareholders, shareholders. I know,
I it's I fucking I hate this. I hate this
so much anyway, So all that bright note, Oh, speaking

(29:24):
of housing crisises and crisises and unhoused people, We're gonna
be moving on to its great viewing and reviewing season seventeen,
or yeah, Season seventeen, episode eighteen, is that correct? Nope,
excuse me, I don't actually have the title note I
just wrote down.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Apparently, aren't people sheltered out?

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Sheltered outcasts?

Speaker 2 (29:46):
So six one?

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, uh, And we're gonna review that right after this
and we're back. And as we said before, yeah, good
luck with the recap on this one. And we're back
and as we said before the break, we're gonna be
viewing in reviewing Season seventeen, episode nineteen, Sheltered Outcasts. Just
reminded to the listeners. All the episodes are available to
watch on Hulu and Peacock as of now. As a

(30:10):
time of recording, I don't know what the hell's happening.
Hulu is still.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Around, don't don't you. I'm just saying I know, but
it was going away.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
It was very starky the way that you the way
that you did or Disney plus I guess.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
I I what did I do? I'm great?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, of course this one is unhinge.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
This one is crazy.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Speaking of taking crazy pills, this week's episode took crazy
pills and then went for it. You know, so watch it,
don't watch it. It'll make more sense as we break down
the episode. But before we do all of that, in
the grandest tradition that we have on this podcast of EVE,
you are gonna hit us with a ninety second recap
of what happened in this week's episode. So, Viv, we're
gonna put ninety seconds on the clock. I know, oh, yes,
ninety seconds on the clock. Why did you tell us, Eviv,

(30:52):
what the fuck happened to this week's episode of sv.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
You okay, you guys, girl, Nope, gotta start, okay, okay,
you guys. Sophie Noak is raped in the vestibule of
her building, probably because she didn't go to soul Cycle,
and or she did go to soul Cycle. She's the
one that went to probably because she went to soul cycle.

(31:17):
The prime suspects are all of the people at the
homeless shelter. Specifically, there is like a like a section
of the homeless shelter locally that like caters to sex offenders,
and of course that is not allowed. We should we
should not get like these people should not have homes,

(31:40):
and so the cops go to investigate. It's called Boyton Douval.
That's the name of the fucking I don't know, okay,
of the of the homeless shelter, and uh, there's like
a group of men who are sex fenders who who
live there, including Michael Rapport, Philadelphia phil from the movie

(32:02):
Big Fan, and Kevin Tig, the guy who tries to
outlaw the X Men.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
He does, it's true.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
I think that I think that that's him, right.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
No, I think it's Bruce something else.

Speaker 3 (32:16):
I think you are right, Brucetick. Yes, Kevin Taig is
the guy who, Oh Jesus, this was his last thing.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
He looks like he looks like Senator Ron Johnson from
fucking Wisconsin.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Sure, he sure does. He was, he's been, he was
in Roadhouse. He most you recognize him mostly from from
this show. He's he's in a very famous episode of
this exactly yes and so, but also cares. He seems
to have just taken upon himself to go undercover at
this at this boblest shelter, and so he's getting close
to some of the guys. He thinks it might be

(32:52):
h Michael Rappaport. But Michael Rappaport, it's got like a
sob story. He only raped one person at a bachelor
party and he was wrong, but he's trying to get
his life back together. And there's also this guy named
Loomis who uh like stutters, he doesn't speak, and uh
and Kevin Tyke who's got like colon cancer, who's not

(33:13):
playing the same guy even though they look at him
like he's playing the same guy, he's definitely not playing
the same guy as before. And also a couple other
guys on a guy a guy from the Wire and uh,
and so you should know that if someone's named Loomis,
they're the killer. But sure, uh, well.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Technically he he hunted the killer.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Well in Halloween, but Billy Loomis is the killer in
Scream spoilers for Scream.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yes, spoiler, but that was also self referential.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
So it's the Loomis. And so they they look around,
they they investigate, they like keep investigating Michael Rappaport, and
they keep sort of like running into the fact that
he like probably didn't do it, and that doesn't deter them.
So they, uh they check Loomis and he stutters and
doesn't speak, so they discover that he's like definitely a doer,

(34:07):
but they he only has some trophies from like some
of his victims and so they realize that the the
doer also like speaks sometimes, but only like every third victim.
It's like a real Trinity killer situation. And so they
bring in one of the victims who was spoken to
to do like a voice lineup that Caresi is in.

(34:30):
I'm desperately hoping that she identifies Caresy and uh, and
she does. She doesn't identify anybody but h Loomis's lawyer slash,
Richie Caski, Michael Raport's lawyer slash. He's basically the lawyer
for like everybody there shows up and is talking and
she's like, oh, it was that guy. So then they
sting that guy by using Richie Caski, Michael Rapport's wife,

(34:55):
to like get him to plant evidence of his own
guilt in Caski's house. And then they arrest him and
it's a bang bang. Both both of them plead not guilty.
Loomis and and this this lawyer's Zimmerman draw your own
conclusions and uh. And then like Careesy has this crisis

(35:18):
of conscious of like, you know, I played dominoes with
this rapist and then I stopped seeing them as an
animal and started seeing them as a human being. Is
that wrong? And a man is like, yes, come cook
for me, dick Wolf. It's absolutely as Also crazy gets
beaten with a baseball bat.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, And Finn is going off to meet a blind date, yeah,
with his with his son and his husband and something else.
And he's having a real like I don't have a life,
but it's not a developed storyline at all.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And he's like wearing a tigh. At the end of
he's like, wow, you're a tie.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
It's like we've seen him testified course before wearing a tie. Like,
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I think we have it's omar, where's the tire at
his forehead? Right? Another wire reference?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yes, go watch the Wire if you haven't. I this is.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Wow, like incredible.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
They the fact that this episode in the beginning, they
just keep being like because Carese's not there, and he's like, oh,
we gotta go check on Creasey. Now, I'm thinking because
we're coming off of an episode the two harter where
he has like that real crisis of faith about you know,
because the priests were running the sex trafficking ring. Correct,
So like I thought it was supposed to be like Carease,

(36:39):
He's taken like a few personal days because he's like
really having a hard time with this.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
Just hanging out at the fucking home.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
No, instead, they're like, oh, no, careasey. We just like
is who's wait a minute, a minute? Is live overseeing
this undercover op wars Like they're just going fishing where
it's like, I don't know, carease you feel like pretending
to be homeless and just hang out there and see
if you can find some sex offenders.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
I I think so they all look at him like this,
Oh my god, this feels like in a way, so
I have to I'm saving so many emails right now.
So Kevin Tig plays Julian Cooper in the episode Avatar,
which is the very yeah you got old Yeah, But

(37:27):
at the end of that episode, his name is revealed
to be Gregory Searle, so it is the it's not
a respawd, it is the guy from Avatar. He's just
back basically doing nothing well because.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
They sent him to jail and then he has colon cancer.
So it was the compassionate release.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
Yeah yeah, yeah, but why didn't they they basically doesn't
do anything in this episode.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
They should have highlighted that.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I agree, he's not even a Red Harry, Well, I
mean he's redis to Harry, He's just there.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Like Red Herring or Harring or what like if it's
the same, like highlight that, like you guys all worked
this about all of them because Creasing probably at the
beach is dead, right, but like Live was there, Finn
was there. Yeah, that's it that you could have done that.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Oh yeah, Like they like Cares's going after Michael Rappaport
or whatever, and they're like, don't sleep on this guy.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
He did this really fucked up thing.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
He like imprisoned a woman in a fucking cabin.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
For for thirty years.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
And then told her she got old and walked away.
What an asshole. Yeah, before we get into the episode
portion here.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I the nitty and also the gritty.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
This episode does something that I think is very interesting
in its premise, the fact that and it's an actual thing,
it's an actual problem. The idea they're like, Okay, this
is a homeless shelter that has a portion of it,
I guess set aside for sex efen that are on

(39:00):
the registry. Correct, because they because of the way the
registry works, they can't literally live anywhere else. This is
the only thing that fits like the criteria for sex
sex offenders.

Speaker 3 (39:14):
At one point, Michael Rapport's wife is like, are there
too many schools in New York?

Speaker 1 (39:20):
She's like, yeah, there's a school every every block, so
you know. And this is not being like, oh, like
this let's stick of the sex offenders type thing, but
like it's a.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Legitimate this is an issue.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
It's an actual issue.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
That especially if like if like we we want people
to uh not reoffend, and yet we are forcing them
into a situation where they basically have no choice but
to reoffend by existing, but like existing rais but not
on the nowhere to live.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, it's like if you want, like you might as
well just either not let them out of prison or
just kill them, I guess because the letting them out.
But like, but you can't exist in the world. It's like,
then what was the point of this. It's like you
either believe in the system is supposed to have rehabilitated
them or they have served their time.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
It hasn't because like at some point, like Careesi is
like feel so guilty that he thinks even for a
second that anyone could be rehabilitated, right.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
And again, I understand in this country, we don't give
a shit about that element. We are just like the
lock them up and fuck you like it's it's only
we only focus on the putative portion here.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
Yeah, and there's I'm kind of ambivalent because like, yes,
all that is true, and also yes, we don't give
a shit about people being raped.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Also yes, and.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Also it's like that thing of like, isn't it interesting
that like which criminals they decide to have paid on
or like like acknowledge their humanity. And I think that
this becomes such a big problem with Careese because he's
like he he sees, much like all the other cops
of the show, that the criminals are are inhuman and

(41:14):
then the moment that one of the criminals shows themselves
to be human, his like brain malfunctions and he's like,
well then he couldn't have possibly done it, and like
you have to just allowed for the fact that someone
who loves their family, say, could do something monstrous, and
like that's what being a human is, right, containing multitude.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Yeah, it's very They're the cops are just very binary
criminal non criminal criminal.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Which is which is weird because the cops are also criminals. Yes,
I can't be a criminal because I'm a.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Cop, right, like live is actively covering.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Up a burder, several several merders.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
It's but like, I you know, it's in the classic
gets of all the other like the NPCs from the
episode that are just like, I live in this neighborhood.
Did you talk to did you go get that helmeless
shelter out of here?

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Certain certain that this fucking dad who's just like ever
since they built that homeless shelter, the neighborhood's gone to hell.
I was like, you did it, You fucking did it, dude.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
You are the rapist. But I you know again the
fact that the caesis the line at the end of
the episode is like you like, you can fucking murder someone,
serve like thirty years in jail for killing someone, and
then get out in it and live a totally normal life.
Not totally normal, but like a normal enough life because
you're out of school, right, you can choose to live

(42:45):
wherever you want.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Or you like probably can't get a job, but go
off case.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Right, But you know, there's there's something at the most
fundamental level, like you can live somewhere, yeah, which is
like the most basic.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Thing housing housings human rights motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Yes, agreed, it's like, but the rapist.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
But it's like but a rapist. It's like, well, even
if you served your time, you didn't really serve your
time because now you've got to do this ship as well.
And it's like, that's a very good point, not saying
I don't understand the reasoning, but sure, this doesn't really
seem to work.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
So it's yeah, like we've we've tried nothing, have we
and that doesn't work?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Have we tried to work the problem a little bit
here to find a way that people can both be protected.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
And also the system is working exactly fine? Well, I
would say so, so good.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
No, the system is working exactly as intended, not exactly fine,
which is the thing which again I must highlight again
If the powers that be wanted things to work, they
could very easily make that happen. If they wanted everyone
to have health care, everyone would have health care. If
they wanted everyone to have housing, everyone would have housing.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's design this way.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Needs capitalism needs homeless people to exist as a consequence
so they don't have to pay people higher wages.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
Correct, So okay, we open with it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Need pervasive so everyone knows that can be you.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
It's like this, that could be it's the threat and
someone and someone will take your job for a fraction
of what they're of what you're being paid current.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Except for illegal immigrants that we have now shepherded out
of and now and now all of those jobs Americans
are realizing like, oh fuck, we needed them to do
that job because I don't want to do that job.
The thing that literally economists have been saying from the
jump about the jobs that are their taking, or it's
just I just so fucking somewhat killed me.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
We're having a great yes, so we open on a
cup on a new mom and she's like, I hate
my kid and then starts singing the wheels on the bus,
The wheels on the bus go round and round and
round and round and round and round and around. And
her friend whose name is Nope, whose name is friend

(45:02):
whose name is Kevin Tyger No, her friend Sophie no,
act is like, you probably need to blow off some
Steve come to soul cycle with me. I highly recommend
the Dollop episode on soul Cycle because it is extremely weird.
And then they like come up upon a group of

(45:27):
well they say oh, no, it's them, and then we
get their reverse shot and it's it's just black dudes.
It's just it's just a bunch of black guys and
like one old white.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Man is the one guy is the one guy pushing
a shopping cart.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
I think, so yeah, whatever, man, So sometimes you gotta
get around.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
No, I know, but I'm saying whatever you say, like
it's not just the implication there is not supposed to
be specifically racism. It's not not supposed to be. It's
supposed to be. I think they're Oh no, it's it's
suppose to be referring to the fact that these people.

Speaker 6 (46:01):
Are unhoused, not that they are black or black A real,
A real uh you know, you look at the painting,
you notice something, and so.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I mean, I I think all right, we should also
probably from the jump, like we're probably I know, we're
gonna try to say unhoused rather than hold.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
I'm gonna I'm not gonna try anything. I'm gonna be
like it's.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Probably gonna happen interchangeably as two people that live in
cities that have rampant unhoused problems. Here, Uh, we we
have we respect believe that those that are without homes
deserve dignity and respect.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Uh sure, okay, by property if you want to be
a citizen.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Bro oh god, I'm just thinking of Starship Troopers, like
where it's like service guarantees citizenship.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
I've done my part. I have done ship.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Yeah. But so you know, save save the tweets people.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
Yeah, yeah, come, I tweet all you want. We're not
we read save the bleats the bleats we Sophie comes
home from Soul Cycle. They're really chilling for Soul Cycle
in this episode in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
It's like a weird cross promotional thing. But then it's
like Soul Cycle, Soul Cycle circle rape. It's like, no,
I don't want to be associated with that.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
And so so Sophie goes into her vestibule, is is rape.
This guy like mumbles something to her like do just
hand me the keysy fucking cocksucker or whatever, and uh
and we just have to like watch it for a minute,
which is uncomfortable. Uncomfortable, but she identifies the guy as
either white or Latino. He's wearing a mask and uh.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
So he's wearing a mask, but he must have been
white or Latino.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
Yeah, he smelled like tacos. And so my name's Kemn Fyveland.
And so the cops come and her young mom friend
and the young mom friends young mom friend's husband, Hannah
Levy and and husband show up and they're like, did

(48:09):
you check the whole I should have gone to soul
Cycle with her. She invited me to soul cycle. And
then the husband's like, then if you went to soul Cycle,
you would have gotten raped definitely. Ever since they built
that homeless shelter right over there, you know, they have
a special wing for sex offenders.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
And liv is like, oh, yes, we know.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
In this neighborhood this month.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I mean, I get the fact that she's a cop.
It's when you're a.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Hammer really coping this episode.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
Yeah, And I get the idea, you know, hammer, everything
looks like a nail, but it's just affect. She's like, well,
they congregated all those sex offenders there, so it clearly
must be and it I hate the fact that it
is and also isn't.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
Yeah, I mean, I think that this is the show
being like generously, the show being like, you know, you
don't have to be a homeless sex offender to be
a rapist. But he's also the guy that defends the rapist.
So maybe it's like anyone who defends a rapist is
a rapist? Is that what the show is saying? But

(49:26):
then one of them both.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
But one of them actually is then a rapist.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
It's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying, right.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
So it's like, but the Rapport character is supposed to
be the thing where it's like, well you get one.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Like the one gold gold nugget.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Also like they're they're getting a lot of mileage out
of Michael Rapport, just like being a really punishable dude,
like like being kind of annoying and looking like a slimeball.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
You mean, looking like Michael rapp report.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Yeah, yeah, doing the Michael Reppert.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
He's got unhinged Michael Rappa.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
So they go to the Homeless Shelter Spoyton douval I think,
is how you pronounce that?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
You know what, I'm gonna take your word for it, and.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Uh, And they go to group they seem they meet
Miche Rapport. His name is Richie Caski, also known as
Philadelphia Phil from the movie Big Fan. Recommend watching Big Fan,
Patton Oswalt's Greatn't It and Gregory Searle, the guy from Avatar,
even though I don't quite understand that he's the guy
from Avatar and a couple other couple other folks to

(50:33):
to people from the wire because they come in and
uh and then like whatever, fucking Dominic fucking Smith walks
through the door and is like, hey, honey, I'm o hio, honey,
I'm home, and everyone looks at him like does he
just love methadone?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Well, who doesn't.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I am hoping because at this point I don't think
that Gregory Searle is Julian koop bur from the other episode.
I'm like, is Careese play the other character that he played,
the janitor from that other episode?

Speaker 1 (51:08):
Oh yeah, in the in the.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
Gymnastics episode, yeah, yea yea. No it was wrestling, No gymnastics, No,
wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
He was in jail. He was like the crazy inmate.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
I think that that's that the career wait.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Carees went undercover, played just like a crazy person in
jail and he was like popping the floor.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
I'm talking about Peter Scanavino was on an episode as
a different character.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Oh yeah, before he came on.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
For as Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
Season fourteen Monsters legacy Johnny Dube check it was his
was his name.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Here's the thing, now that we have so much careasi content,
I kind of forgot about the fact that he he
respawnded like Neil.

Speaker 3 (51:55):
Yeah. So there. It turns out Carreesy volunteered to live
at the shelter because they already knew about all these rapes.
And Amanda Rollins is pretty worried about him because he's
like into deep and I shut the fuck up, a.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Man, I really don't like this because it's like the
idea is like, oh, he's in too deep with this cover,
you know, like, what are the stakes here other than
the fact that he's living at a homeless shelter.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
And like a like a shitty meals.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Yeah, right, So it's like he's into It's not like, oh,
he's he's using the drugs that like off the drug trafficking.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Grade kids or like jacking off to Kitty Port or what.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
While fucking Amara when he was here, Like but just
like bagging sex.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Work had a child.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah, like bagging sex workers by the fucking half dozen,
Him and Craig had like they were in too deep.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
They were in they were in about five inches deep.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Yes, just deep enough, just deep enough, well five inches
deep and then two inches and.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
You know five and half really, so uh tom no Max?
Who is wait, that's weird. So on IMDb we have
Sophie Noak, but her father's name is tom No Max,
so I think it is a typo. So that the

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father tom No Max, played by Saul Stein, who you
might recognize from Open Water or Dead Man Down.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I work for that.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
I worked for that company when I moved to LA.
He has been in in Law and Order as a
as a handful of different characters. So if you're picturing him,
I'm gonna give you a couple of names. Bruno DiAngelo,
Ralphie Morris, that's that's those are those are the good ones.

(53:51):
Detective DeMarco, another guard.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
So I'm guessing he's Brazilian.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
He's a yeah, he's a well, Sam's sorry, saul Stein
not Brazilian. But uh, he's like kind of a big meathead.
And they're like, he's like, why did these rapists live
at this house? At this halfway house? And they're like, well,
they can't be like a thousand feet from a school,
and so this is like basically the only place they

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can go and he says they should live a thousand
feet from Earth. You mean like like up in the sky,
like in space you want to that's not even in space.
That's just like like kind of medium in the sky.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Well yeah, well Earth, Earth is the planet. It's the
whole planet. Yeah, you a thousand feet from the.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Planet, from the from the from touching the ground.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Well did he say touched it? He said from Earth?

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah, but is that the crosspier Earth.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yes, it's all part of It's all Earth. Nah's nah, Yeah,
it's all it's all Earth. It's all the planet.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
It's all Earth. Baby. You know the water, it's God's water.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
You don't own the beach man. So they they're not
nick Lache.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
They do ache.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Who's the one from fucking Backstreet Boys who's like fighting
the cops in Florida, be like, this is my private beach.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
Oh I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Oh, there's one of the Backstreet Boys is like full
maggot now and he was he put out some like
well they're from Florida, some plea on TikTok where he's
like he's been getting into it with like whatever the
local sheriff's apartment because he's like, this is my beach
is a private beach. And they're like, no, sir, this
is a public beach. Just because you have money and
live here doesn't mean that it's your your fucking beach,

(55:34):
I said, And he's like suing the cops for not
kicking people off of the yes, for not kicking people
off of the beach. And then he's like, people, help me,
help me have this private beach because it was a
dream of mine.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
This feels like, uh, very Dean Cane coded. Yes, oh
it's Brian, he was my favorite. Well oh he looks rough.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Now yeah, they did not. They're not doing well.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
So they do a vocal lineup. They have each of.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
The the such.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
Bullshit, each of the like, depending on what microphone I use,
I could sound like an entirely different person.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
So, uh, they new vocal lineup.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
They have each of the guys that they brought in
from the homeless shelter and like, to be clear, they're
not all actually unhoused homeless that they just have nowhere
else they can legally live.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
They're like, they're like.

Speaker 3 (56:40):
It's like court courts, Yeah, court mandated homelessness. And so
they each go do what I say, and you won't
get hurt and they even make Careese do it, and
I'm like, I will give you all my money.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I really thought it was going to be that and
they're like, do we think cares? Did you? Did you
do it?

Speaker 3 (57:00):
So big episode for voice notes. They all do their
voice notes on their iPhone and the line is do
what I say and you won't get hurt. And uh
and one of the dudes is like a stutterer. His
name we'll find out is loomis cool.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Yeah, great, love love that. This episode is so fucking unhinged.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Greg Greg Searle says that he's got colon cancer, so
he ain't he ain't. He's like, I'm not running around. Also,
I'm an I feeba file. The lawyer says that, but yikes.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Which again whenever the because the lawyers like, I know
how this is gonna sound. However, and again, as I
am younger, as we have had this very same conversation
on this podcast probably three or four times, where it's like, yeah,
I understand what you're saying, but when you start splitting

(57:54):
hairs over like no, no, no, no, no, you don't understand
the fact that I know that difference between a pedophile
and in a feeba fhile doesn't don't read it to that.
I just I like precision and definitions of things. And uh,
you know, you never want to be the guy arguing
it's like your honor.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
You don't understand we we we predate John Marcos Serrasi
by about seven years. But this is this is part
of his stand up, which is, uh, you can't make
that distinction because then you sound like a pedophile exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
So it's like it's not great pop. And so this
episode directed by Murska, Oh is it okay?

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (58:36):
And uh wait, she didn't write well, she didn't write
it interesting.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Certainly didn't write.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
It interesting episode to jump behind the camera for for
this completely unhinged episode.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
But they're like, okay, caresy, you're already into deep, I guess,
so go deeper and go to the group therapy and
see if any of them just admit too, you know,
raping raping this lady and which no one's like, hey,
is that allowed?

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Like is the way they get around it? Because it's
it's not doctor patient. I think there's other people in
the room.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
And Stabler did that when see where he got a
blowjout from Lindsay Craft.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Right, hilarious, but he had that stuck the phone in
that flip phone. Yeah, that that fucking episode.

Speaker 3 (59:29):
And so he carazy intros himself and he's like, I'm
Dominic Fuck.

Speaker 1 (59:36):
I'm Officer Dominic fucking.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
God damn it.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Everyone calls me smitty because I'm Dominic Smith. I will
I will venture guests that no one is named Dominic Smith.

Speaker 2 (59:49):
Everyone.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
It's every big world out there. There might be one.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
That they're in, uh witness protection.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, it's like them and Tanny. There's only one t
There's only one. There's not multiple Tannies.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Every so often. I want to text you, Moody the
person is and so uh he his cover story is
that he downloaded Kinny porn and like jacked it, but
he never touched any kids, which is basically his cover
story is what happened to Hank Abraham. But okay, and

(01:00:25):
Ritchie Mike Rappaport is like, hey, man, like the person
who made that raped a child, So like you're jacking
off to someone raping a child, And I'm like, is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
He a cop? Is he also a cop? What are
you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I mean it would not be beyond s for you
to have to screw up someone else's undercover up, much
like a previous episodes, except those guys weren't really undercovered.
They were just corrupt but correct masquerading as undercop. Like
it's tough, but he is, you know, he's he's as crazy,
says later, like he's really big on accountability.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah's on accountability and caresee is like, okay, but if
we're talking accountability, I didn't I'm not a rapist, but
I don't know about you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
What about you guys?

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
You guys do any rapes, like in the past two
weeks maybe forty eight hours, two to three, you know.
And instead of that, the dad Saul Stein, who plays
Archie Lomax, No, that's not right, Tom, No, Max beats
Caresy up with a baseball bat.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Yeah, he's just standing outside the fucking the shelter, rolls
up with a bat and starts beating the fuck out
of him.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
And I'm like one guy and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Here comes to Carreese's rescue, Michael Rappaport and other guy
also with bats. Where are they getting these bats? Why
do they have so many bats?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
I think the the the dad brought back up with
multiple bats, like just disarms him and cares I think
they both wid up with bats.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
But if you're the guy getting hit with the bat, yeah,
and then you end up with the bat, yeah, something
has gone terribly wrong. If you're the person that started
with the bat, like what happened, you have the advantage.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
You have the bat a sock on that. You gotta
put a sock on that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yes, correct.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
And so now Creese is having a crisis of conscious
conscience because a rapist couldn't possibly save a cop. Essentially,
he's like, Richie can't have been a rapist because he helped.

Speaker 1 (01:02:34):
Me, which I again, I'm like, I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Okay, this is what happens when you see all criminals
as fucking well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
This also a human. You know. I'm trying to figure
out what it is that pissed me off about this episode,
and I think I just put my finger on it.
When it comes out of Caresy, it's like for the
guy that last week was like, you're standing, I I
evoked the right of Catholics to look at you where
he's like, God will forgive you. All will be forgiven,

(01:03:03):
even though you literally are running a sex traps.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
A child a child rap ring. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
And now He's has the basically the exact opposite point
of view.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Right, It's like, you could everyone could be redeemed. He's like,
I don't understand these guys could be redeemed. What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Like what the Jewish? So it does? It's different?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
He's not Catholic, you see he's played this. Have you
considered becoming Catholic? Because then God will just forgive you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Then you can just rape everyone you want. Go get forgiven,
bing bang bong into heaven you go.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
So, uh, reports Richie Caskey's alibi for the night of
the rape of Sophie no Axe slash Nomacs is that
he uh was visiting his wife, who like lives in
a rent controled apartment and uh and she's like his

(01:04:00):
albi and I don't think the wife exists. But because
he's this hero now who's saved a definitely not cop,
he is trying to get his sex offender registration reduced
from like level three to level two, which will allow
him to just go live at home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:18):
Right, So he's like, he reveals, yes, I have a wife,
we are still married again.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
Yes we stand by her man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, we can't afford to move because it's a red
stable's apartment. So it's like, we can't afford to move,
but I can't live there. So we have this arrangement
where I sleep but I'm a permanent resident of this
homeless shelter and she just lives at home. And he
comes to visit.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Yeah, he comes to visit, but his lawyer, whose name
is Zimmerman played by Scott Grimes, who we've seen a
few times before, is like, yeah, so you know, he's
working real hard, and I filed the petition and his
doctor who's like running the group, agrees, and so so
Dominic Smith come in here to like sign this paper

(01:05:05):
saying that he's like helped you, and Cariese's like, so,
did you follow this paper with this clerk or this
clerk or this this cord or whatever whoops on a lawyer?

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Yeah, And the lawyer's like, wow, someone was hitting the
law library pretty hard while they were in prison. And
Greece's like, yeah, yeah, let's see you never talk about
this again.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Well, I used to want to become a lawyer. And
he's like, good luck with that, man, you're a rapist.
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
I mean, I thought, well, I found it hilarious with
the guy was like, yay, good luck with that anyway.
That's fine. Everything's all good. Everything's good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
So they go to check Richie's alibi.

Speaker 3 (01:05:44):
They being Finn and Rollins, and this is where the
wife is like, this neighborhood has too many schools. And
we also learn what Richie did to land himself in prison,
which was that he raped someone at a bachelor party,
which according to his wife, doesn't count. But there were

(01:06:07):
hookers there, There are sex workers there, and the groom
had sex with a prostitute. And Ritchie like took a
girl into the bathroom and raped her. But like, I
guess he thought she was a prostitute. But he was
like blackout drunk. He doesn't even remember. So if you
if you don't remember doing a rape, mulligan, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Mean it right, That's that's what they're thinking. Is it
that there were sex workers there or is that they
were strippers and he was.

Speaker 3 (01:06:34):
She did say prostitutes, Okay, the groom had sex with
a prostitute.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
I mean, look, I in you know, in the suspension
of disbelief everything. That's like if you're going to a
party with a bunch of sex workers, the assumption is that, like,
you're going to have sex with sex workers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
It's not not a random person.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Right. So it's like, was it like there was one
sex worker and everyone else was not, or it's like
they were all sex workers and he happened to pick
That was.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
The worst game of Russian roulette ever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Right, It's like, oh, no, I had sex with the
waitress rather than the multitude of sex workers. But I
understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
It's so like you, but like you also are not
allowed to a sex worker f y.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I No, I understand that, But it's like the implication
being like this was all set up and he just
picked the wrong one. There was already an arrangement that like, right,
it's like that's the way they're presenting it where it's
like this was all bought and paid for. Everyone was
willing except for the on the bar and he.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I guess that's struggling.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
That's how I interpreted this was supposed to be, because
first I was like, oh, strippers, no, you can't do that,
and then it's like sex workers. It's like, okay, well
I'm not do that. I understand you can't do that,
but I'm saying the implication the way that they are pegging.
This is that like everyone was having sex with the
sex workers. It was it was a sex worker, Polozo.
We all just we all plugged down a thousand on

(01:08:12):
the table, and when orgy happens, they collect the money
and that they left except for Ritchie picked the bartender
who wasn't hard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
He didn't want to have sex with him.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
That's that's the way they're presenting it. And that's why because.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
It's don't ask too many questions.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
They're doing a lot of work to make you not
be like, yeah, but fuck that guy anyway, totally right,
So they're really it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Don't ask questions. He's fine, he's a good guy. He's
a good guy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
I mean, it's the most implausible explanation as to the
reason why we should forgive him.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
Also, like that doesn't mean that someone who like actually
did something like that can't rehabilitate themselves.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
No, I don't think, I mean for anyone. It's like
I genuinely believe that, and not everyone, but like ninety
five percent of the people that commit crimes, if presented
with the proper resources and such to do so, totally

(01:09:20):
can change and rehabilitate themselves. The problem is the system
we have set up is not designed at all to
try to do that. It is we have just not
tried at all to do that. We've never even considered it,
it seems. So it's like again, if you look at

(01:09:42):
I mean again, it's easy to do this, but like
I think it's worth noting if you look at a
lot of European countries that if people are sent to
jail and they actually put the time, effort, energy and
resources into rehabilitating them, whenever they are released back out
into society after serving their time, it's a better say
which way should for their recidivism rates are far lower, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
The europe those are the fucking you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
It's evidence, it's evidence that this is possible. Why would
we go toward that?

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
No way to possibly prevent this, says, only country where
this regularly happens exactly so the the wife, Richie Cawski's
wife says, yeah, I hot roast. So I know that
Richie and I had dinner and I know like this,
this is what happened. This is the series of events.

(01:10:36):
And Finns like you know, we have to call your
work and ask what time you got off that day?
And and they're gonna tell us, and so you you
should just tell us now.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
And she's like, well, some of these details may have
the sailing late.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
But he did eat half the pot roast.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Which I was like, wait, so who cooked the So
he cooked the pot roast then, because if you weren't
home or it's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Like an all day thing, right, which I think all
day safe, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Unless it was like the crock pod.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
So Casky comes back to the group and to like
group therapy a little late, but not as late as
the therapist and uh, and says that he just had
a job interview for ad sales at a sports radio
station and quote, they'll hire anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
They don't care. You could be Charles Manson as long
as you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
Sell Welcome to Capitalism.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
There you go. I recommend Big Fan. Patton Oswell is great.
It's about sports kind of and uh. And so the
the doctor doesn't come, the group therapist doesn't come, and
he's like, well, she's probably like stuck in traffic. She
does like three other groups around town, and for whatever reason,
Crease is like she drives and like that's like a

(01:11:55):
weird smoke. I mean, I guess it's new York but like,
that's like a weird smoking gun for him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
But I don't really understand why.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
No, but cut to she's dead.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
She is super fucking dead, and we see her body
and it's covered in stab wounds and then Finn goes, hey, lieutenant,
she was stabbed. Thank you, Finn.

Speaker 1 (01:12:18):
Elite squad of detectives. Guys, looks like she just looks
like they got her.

Speaker 3 (01:12:23):
Looks like they got her, and it seems like someone
was waiting for her. They pull her id and realize
that she is the group therapist. She works for the
Office of Sex Offender Management or awesome she does That's
not great?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Is that?

Speaker 3 (01:12:39):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
It was? The sex offender? Specifically, it was the office.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Office Office of Sex Offender Management O s O M.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
You gotta you gotta get a different name, man, you gotta,
you gotta you can't, you can't do that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
And uh, it seems like someone was waiting for her
where she parked her car and killed her. But it's
like and raped her, not in that order, but it's
she also had like like fibers under her fingernails, and
so it seems like he killed her because the theory
is that he killed her because she pulled off his mask.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Right, because they're back of the squadron. Creasy's back to
the squadron a lot, and they're like, shouldn't you get
back to the shelter.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I got a job interview. It's fine, But I.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Was like, is it supposed to be that, like if
you're the homeless shelter, you never can leave the homeless shells?
Like I don't know, Like why so because they were
hanging out front of the bodega, although I guess they
do say later that like if they were gonna leave,
they would have to sign out for like their parole officer,
for appointments and things like that. But it's like, even
if you have an appointment, if you're like I'm going
down to buy a pack of smokes from the fucking

(01:13:45):
quarter store, yeah, I guess you can you not do that.
I don't know what draconian system is in place for
the I don't know. It's not really this is the problem.
It's never really fully explained, but like just it's conveniently
they throw the idea that's like, oh, we can look
up where that guy was like four years we would
come and go right right like at this exact time

(01:14:05):
on this date.

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
Speaking of oh that's in a in a in a second.
But the they they're like, Okay, maybe it's not this
rabbit work guy, because like I guess he did go
to a job interview. And so let's look at some
of the other guys again. And they start tossing rooms.
They they toss Gregory Searles's room. His roommate is that

(01:14:27):
guy Loomis. If your name's Loomis, you're a killer and uh,
and they find a key in First, they toss a
shoebox greg Searls shoebox and he's like, that's my box
and there's like a picture of like a like a
teenage girl and he's like, she's my favorite and uh.

(01:14:48):
And then they find it a key in Loomis's pillow case.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Yes, and the key is to a as it turns out,
a storage I thought it was going to be a car.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
Yeah, same her car.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
Maybe right, that would have been a nice oh on
that one, but.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
No quick tie up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
But yeah, it's the storage unit and the uh, the
storage unit lady is a flirting with Finn. She's like,
you look trustworthy. I don't need a warrant you can,
you can inspect this ass.

Speaker 1 (01:15:17):
It's like, no, no, you should always ask for I
don't care if you were trying to catch some dick
or not, Lady, you should still ask for a fuck
if the copy for it, yeah right, don't just give
it away. So they go through the storage unit and
they find a paper, They find a bunch of shit
in there, and then none of it is important except
the fact they do find a bag with a knife

(01:15:40):
and cool like a like a plastic bag.

Speaker 2 (01:15:43):
An extremely real looking knife.

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
Oh my god, I was just like take two on
the Spirit Halloween knife that you guys fucking got that from.

Speaker 2 (01:15:52):
It's basically like bending.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah, it's like it's wobbling, uh, but fucking Then they
find it's like a it's a plastic bag? Is it
in a plastic bag? Where I'm just thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
I thought it was. I thought it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
I am also picturing it in a ziplock, but I
think that that's when they put it in the toilet
tech later.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Yeah, yeah, but it's a it's a bunch it's like
a tangle of a bunch of necklaces.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Yes, and it's necklaces from the victims.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
They they right, but at the time they don't know.
They got to go back.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
To correct they they they go back to uh to SVU.
And it's not just victims from New York. It's it's
victims from other places that like this guy Loomis may
have been. So they they hang a lantern on where
Mike Dodds fins, like where's Mike Dodds and and lives
like uh something something something Quantico something something.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Yeah, the Joy Terrorism Task Force, Trading week or whatever.
It's like job.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
He didn't take sure.

Speaker 1 (01:16:52):
Right, but he's he's doing it anyway, just in case.
He's hedging his bets, I guess. Because this is also
where this is completely underdeveloped, because like comes in, he
takes a look around, and he's like, is Dodds ever
coming back? We're really sure? Like caresee's not here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
It's just Rollin's rob squad baby, you have a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
The squadroom's empty, Like, what the fuck is happening here?

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Man? You were gone for two weeks? Right eye? Why
what are you complaining about?

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
So he's like, I don't know what to do with
my life because I have nothing and you all you
you you two have babies. Cares's got that homeless shelter
thing going.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
His guy's got his own fucking thing. I don't know.
And then you want a baby.

Speaker 1 (01:17:33):
And he's like, no, I don't want a fucking baby,
but you know what I'm saying. She's like, I don't know,
and he's like, I guess I'll get a parakeet.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Like that's the joke, right, And so they uh figure
out that the necklaces all belong to victims of the
same rapist, but the victims that the rapist didn't talk to.
And every like third rapist or so, the guy says, like,
do what I say and you won't get hurt or whatever,

(01:18:00):
but like, but like sixty six percent of the time
it doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Also, it's like that an m O does not make totally.
The point of an MO is like that's how you
do it, and it's not like it's an escalation or something.
It's like, no, every third it's like, what the fuck
you have you considered perhaps those are different rapists?

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
Yeah, Well, as it turns out no, it turns out no.
But then they're like it's a copycat, and I'm I'm
not even sold on the fact that it's a It
turns out probably it as a copycat, but I'm not
even sold that it's a copycat because it's just like
two different push in rapists. It's like not the oh
my god, what a what a sophisticated mo that couldn't
be accidentally replicated.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Yeah right, it's rape at knife point and sometimes the
guy says do what I say and you won't get hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
So there were kind of back to square one. We
know that Loomis is a rapist, but like only for
some of them. And so they're looking for the the
copycat rapist, and they're looking for people who were in
like it's like Norfolk, Norfolk, Virginia or something last year
or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Oh it's a different area, like it's in it's not
I don't think it's in. It's not Manhattan, but it's
in New York.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
New York, New York area something.

Speaker 3 (01:19:14):
And so they go to the some office it's like CPS,
but for rapists, the Parole Office, Sure Parole, the CPS,
the Peace Answer Pearl and Criminal Parole Services. And they
talked to this lady and they're like, hey, we need
to know everyone that was in this area during this.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
They're specifically asking about Michael Rappaport use She's like, oh, oh,
they are. He's one of our success stories. He's never
done anything wrong and beat beat has he Oh what?

Speaker 3 (01:19:47):
Oh yeah, And she says that the only thing that
would surprise her is if one of these dudes turned
into a mermaid. But yeah, so you're right, they're they're
they're falling up to see if Michael Rappaport was also
available in this area at this time doing to do
the like the copycat rape. Turns out he is, and

(01:20:09):
the lady's like, you're lucky. I have this exact file you're.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Looking for from last year, just on top.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
But it what the the tip off is, or should
be that the rape happened right after he met with
his attorney.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Right, And this is the part that Chrisy's like, I
don't get it. So he's doing great. He meets with
hit his attorney and then goes out and rape someone.
It's like it happens, man, Yeah, I guess, but it's like,
well there's another possibility.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Get there, get there, get crazy, and they they do
figure it out. So they they it's not in a
smart way, but they do figure it out. They bring
in one of the victims from like the other location
that starts to an end that I cannot remember what
it is. It the other shelter, the other the other shelter,

(01:20:58):
and they make her listen to the vocal lineup and
she's still like, it's none of these people, so you know,
that's none of these people.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
And they're like okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
They take her out, just as Zimmerman the lawyer is
bringing Richie in, being like this is a miscarriage of justice,
blah blah blah, you have no evidence, and she's like
it's him, and Olivia's like, yeah, Richie Caski and she's like, no,
you fucking asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
The other lawyer, they're like, oh, don't, don't dunt So now,
behind the scenes they have set up an elaborate sting operation.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
Which like confused the shit out of me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Right, So they are in the interrogation room with Zimmerman
and Caski and yeah, Caskie's like, you know, why would
never do this? Why would I kill someone that was
trying to help me. It's like all very good points.
And then they're like, well, we're gonna go ahead and
search your apartment and the lawyers like right, fine, yeah,

(01:22:01):
and so Zimmerman is like, as your attorney, I should
be at that house. So your wife has an attorney
present for all this. It's like, okay, sure, which is
against what they wanted him to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, And so I guess what happened was they went
to the wife. This is all off screen.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
They went to the wife and they're like, hey, we
think your husband's lawyer is the one who did all
these rapes. Can we search your house now? Can we
basically clear it? And then when we find evidence later,
we'll know that he planted it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
That's the thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Yeah, sure, which like if someone went to my house,
if a cop went to my house and said that,
I'd be like, no, get fucked. So you're gonna absolutely
not allowed to plant evidence in my house, right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:54):
And so because later like they're they're doing a serviceable job,
I guess of pretending to toss this apartment.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
So serviceable that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Yeah, I was like, are they actually looking for something?
I don't know what are they looking for?

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
They also tell Caski and Zimmerman that there was a
photo from like across the street from a traffic cam. Yeah,
and of the murder, and the image needs to be enhanced,
and she and he's like, oh what they what they see?
Did they see like some fucking red hair, red curly hair,
because that could be either of us.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
Uh, And they they make a comment specifically calling out
the facts, like but we said that so that he
would be scared, but he didn't have a reaction, so
they're like, maybe it's not him. Then they go to
the thing and the wife is like, you can search
anywhere in the apartment. So it's like, wait, so she
so that means he must have gotten there early where
it was just her and him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Before they top the show bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
But how did she so she just like monitored his movements.
It's like, oh, he went to the bathroom at some
point in time, and then I went to the bathroom
and then checked everywhere in the back.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
Yeah, that's that's really weird. Or maybe he was just
like being kind of squirrely around the bathroom. But like
the lawyer wants them to find this shit in the
bathroom because they he thinks that he is properly railroading
Caskie Correl. So like everyone, everyone wants the cops to
go into the bathroom for different reasons.

Speaker 1 (01:24:21):
Well, it's all it's for the same reason but different motivations.

Speaker 3 (01:24:23):
Yeah sure, yeah, so they so they they search the
toilet tank, they find the missing jewelry. Because even the
even though them os are slightly different, them o's are
the same.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Bits. We're still taking the necklaces.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Where did he think he get the necklaces to plant them? Though?

Speaker 3 (01:24:43):
He's still taking the victims necklaces that he talks to,
because I guess that's part of them of Loomis is
that he takes the victim's necklaces.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
But he only takes the necklaces of the ones he
doesn't talk to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Yeah, but Loomis doesn't talk to anybody, so he takes
all of their necklaces.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
Got it?

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Okay, So it's like this is this is where the
copycat actually comes in. It's like he is he's covering
his tracks by making it seem like Loomis did it,
but he can't. Why doesn't he? I guess he doesn't
know about the fucking storage space. Why doesn't he plant
these things on Loomis?

Speaker 1 (01:25:18):
That's I think that's the thing I don't think he
knows about. It's very dumb when you start to think
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
It's it's not it doesn't work, and so then they
like come in and they do it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
I don't like it. I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Thing where they're like we got you, you motherfucker, we
found this and blah blah blah. So stand up and
Brackport's like, uh what and he like stands up and
they're like not you you and the Raport is so
fucking confused.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
He's like, I really, what the fuck is happening? And
they arrest Zimmerman and then they tell Rapp report, hey man,
your lawyer tucked you on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
And he knew that sex offenders would get the blaze.
I mean, which he's a sex offender, but sure, well.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
But he's not not a Caughton one.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Yet correct and uh and this is where Careese says,
you know, we lied about that camera thing to scare
him into planting evidence, and Caski's like, that's fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
That's so weird.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
Yeah, And then Creasey's like, yeah, but your wife helped us.
She's a real stand up lady.

Speaker 3 (01:26:23):
Stand up broad And he's like, yeah, we can't have
kids because I raped somebody, and it's gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Be weird if we have kids. To tell your kids
why they can't have their friends over.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
I mean, yeah, like you you that's like a consequence, man.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Yeah, because I think he literally says like she's the
best thing ever happened to me, and I ruined her life,
Like we can't move, we can't live anywhere because of me,
we can't do all this because of me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
To his credit, he doesn't say it like woe is me.
He says it like, you know, this is my life.
I'm trying to make the best of it. And this guy,
this other guy tried to fuck me. But like I'm
just gonna like keep my head down and try to
make the best out of my life. And Crazy's like
I wish I could say I never doubted.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
You, but again, you don't have to say that, you know,
you just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
And I'm shocked that there's more episode.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
Right because then we have this like it feels so
tacked on. Yes, the uh they all go to court
for the arraignment of Zimmerman and Loomis and yeah, and
the judge has like a snarky comment. It's like, uh,
mister Zimmerman, I'm used to seeing you defending rapists. Uh,
you plead not guilty, no bail.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
No way, several of your clients will welcome you at
Attica or Bellevue or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
Yeah uh. And then Loomis gets remanded and Finn says
to live as they're walking out of the courtroom, like
two bad guys in one day, not a bad day's work.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
He also Loomis says, not guilty without stuttering, and someone
like takes a fucking shot at stutterers and is like,
he didn't stutter when he says when he said that, man,
fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:56):
Also like who you caught the guy? All right, you
don't need to pileon here.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
And and they're they're certain that these guys are going
to go down because unless you're a rich rapist, no
one's going to defend you, And they don't really unpack that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
Well constitutionally, I think one someone has to if you
request it. Yeah, or I guess if you're a Zimmerman,
you could just represent yourself because you're already a.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
Lawyer, which not a great look, but sure.

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
I mean, yeah, I guess he's also I legal aid,
so he's already working for yeah, the same people that
would also be he wants.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
He wants to get slightly better than himself for a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
So now we're out in the fourth in the hall
the way of the courthouse, and Cares's having a hard time,
and Rollins is talking to him and he has that
we said it earlier. He's like, you could kill someone
and then you serve your time and you get out
and you leave a somewhat normal life. But if you
rape someone or you're a sex offender, it just it

(01:28:57):
never fucking ends.

Speaker 2 (01:29:00):
Too hard and also too easy on rapists.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Yes, because if you say both things, they're both true.

Speaker 3 (01:29:07):
Yeah, can't be Yeah, And and Ron's like, I don't
want to talk about this. Why don't you come over
to my house and get me pregnant?

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
And he's like sounds like a good plan. And then
Finn goes in the elevator with Live and Lives like,
look at you with the tie.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
I So I will say there is like a kind
of a cute moment between the two where she's like, yeah,
let's make dinner and he's like, did you learn to cook?

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
Get And she's like, no, you're gonna cook for me?

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
Yeah, No, I didn't learn how to cook. We're gonna
shop on the way home. I actually And yeah, they
are very kind of cute together.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
By the they do have good chemistry together.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
And yeah, and as as we said, Finn is wearing
a tie, got invited to dinner dinner by his son
and her son's husband, and there's like a lady there
for him to uh maybe hit on, take a walk
a wound. Yeah, and that's that's that's dick Wolf, so
from uh from every quarter. In a scene in Benson's office,

(01:30:04):
Finn makes a comment about things changing and the fact
that Rollins and Benson now have kids. Finn scowls when
Benson asks if he wants a baby. In reality, iced
he had a baby a few months earlier with his
wife Coca. Oh, and uh, the the definition of a
foeba files in here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
Not gonna not gonna read that anymore. You're not gonna
do that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:25):
Look good? That up on your own time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:30:28):
And the two Wire cast members in this episode, Reggie
Alvin Green, who was one of the unhoused gentlemen in
the in the Rape Circle and Leo Fitzpatrick, who played Loomis,
was also on the Wire. And do you recognize him
Loomis from from anything else? Anything else that you and

(01:30:52):
I watched two incredibly young.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
I was gonna say, if you say a simple plan,
I'm gonnat this.

Speaker 3 (01:31:00):
This is a movie that I saw for the first time,
I think at your fourteenth birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:04):
At its is a kids. It is Kids.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
He's Telly from Kids.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
Yeah, I was gonna say, he did. I was trying
to place it, but I couldn't.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, listeners, Matt sat me down in
front of kids on his fourteenth birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
Also the first time, No, not the first time you
seeing that it's it was the second time you see.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
No, yeah, you had already seen it because you had
a VHS for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:31:26):
No, Sam, did.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
That makes a ton more sense?

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
Yes it does.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
And from user review Quarterer from Shoeshoe, Fontana, Great November one,
twenty nineteen, nine out of ten stars pathetically predictable.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
Wait so nine out of ten? Yep Pathetic is the
first word in the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
Okay, pathetically Yeah if you if you've only seen a
handful of episodes, you know exactly how this one will
play out within the first seven minutes. I stopped watching
the show after Stabler left, come back for the occasional episode,
and always end up disappointed at how sad the show
has become.

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
Nine out of ten Stars.

Speaker 1 (01:32:07):
I don't get it, guys, I don't how I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:09):
Also don't think that this episode is predictable. We've done
one hundred and we've done three hundred and eighty five
of these, and I'm like, damn well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:18):
I mean, you started up by saying if someone's named Loomis,
but the lawyer, the lawyer stuff. Although it was surprising
that Rappaport wasn't the doer because he's the most famous
guest star.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
Yeah, I mean Scott whatever Grimes is relatively famous.

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
He definitely is familiar.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
He's more he was I think he was more famous
at the time, but he was in Mystery Alaska Great,
he was Will Scarlett and the Russell Crowe Robin Hood amazing.
I think he was on like some I can like
picture him in like some military gear. I'm wondering what
that's about. But anyway, from the other side of the

(01:32:59):
aisle or the same side of the isle. Weird from
moth j from February twenty third, twenty twenty one two
at a ten stars. Oh inexcusable defense. I love Law
and Under SVU and usually never have a problem with
any of the episodes. Any of the episodes This is
the only episode I absolutely hate. I found it disgusting

(01:33:21):
that this episode tried to make a view or feel
sympathy for a rapist. At the end of the episode,
the show tries to give a rant about how badly
rapists are treated after prison compared to murderers. In my opinion,
sex offenders should be treated even harsher. The whole time
they kept brining up the rapist CARESI spelled wrong, was

(01:33:42):
friends with And all I could think about was if
that was a real rape, I wonder how much that
destroyed his victim's life. Victims, multiple victims, not possessive. He
thinks he has had it bad. What about the woman
who was raped? No question mark. Once your rape wrong,
your your whole life is taken from you and doesn't

(01:34:05):
matter if your rapist was drunk. I kind of agree
with that. We kind of made a bunch of hay
about this, like yeah, it's he's still a rapist, but
I think you know this person's on it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:20):
It's also a very cynical way to look at the
survivors of things like that, where it's like, well, your
life is just over. Then it's like, well, yeah, it's
look it's having never been the victim of a crime
like that. It can't be like no, it's all is
it over it?

Speaker 3 (01:34:34):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:34:34):
It's like is it fine? Like no, but it also
does not that.

Speaker 3 (01:34:37):
Doesn't totally doesn't define your whole.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
It's like having something bad happened to you doesn't hopefully
doesn't be the thing that then defines you one year.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Yeah, yeah, I agree. By the bye uh. Scott Crimes
is on the TV series, the Ted TV series. He's
the dad. Sure, So that's that's what I most reckoned
as from any fart. That's our episode for this week.
Law on Order SVU season seventeen, episode twenty. In the
season seventeen episode nineteen entitled Sheltered Outcast, if you agree

(01:35:12):
or disagree with us, if you think like Matt does,
that rape victims should just get over it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
I don't know what I said. I don't know what
I said. Let us know it's gross this characterization.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
Go to the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Tape for someone aro all the tape. I'm Matt, get
over it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
But let us know we're really good at.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Turning me on. To let us know.

Speaker 3 (01:35:40):
We're at SVU podcast on Blue Sky, which is the
official Blue Sky of Michael Rapperport.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
You can take that to the bank, the Blood Banks
editor and for longer weirder things or tweet size email,
send us an email special viewing unit strudelegmail dot com
and give us a rate and review wherever fine podcasts are.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
Sold, and tune in next week when we view and
review and lovingly ridicule Law and Order SVU Season seventeen,
Episode twenty entitled Fashionable Crimes, a fashion photographer is accused
of raping a model during a shoot. But this is
but his much more successful, older designer brother tries to

(01:36:21):
make the case go away, and so this is joining us.
Next week is Griffin Dunn, star of American and an
American Werewolf in London, And after hours.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
I was gonna say, like, Griffin Dun, why do I
know that name?

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Griffin Dunn?

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Yeah, And and his older brother played by Fisher Stevens, Oh,
you might recognize as the man in brown face from
Short Circuit in Fact or mister Blake. Yeah, but he's
not in brown face. This next episode we think.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Oscar winners Stevens o Scar winner, yes for what not
for acting, for producing.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
I forget crazy. It's just certainly certainly not for acting.

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
No, certainly not for acting.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Uh yeah, one one oscar for Best Documentary Feature. He
produced the Cove the Dolphin Fishing movie.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Yes, so bamn, there you go. So until then, that's
a part trivia thing. You'll win every time.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Yeah, keep that in my back pocket. For Law and
Order special viewing in it, I'm a Ever.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
And I'm Matt Reuter. We will see you guys, and
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