Episode 386 - S17E20 - Fashionable Crimes - Law and Order: Special Viewing Unit

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You know what you're fucking listening to. You don't eve
get an intro anymore. You know, go punch a Nazi
in the face and then come back and listen.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Punch Nazi in the face. But also and do that too.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
That's the whole endorsement first here of this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
That the the bar for entry. No, just because only
one could do that. Yeah, right, so you know plenty
of Nazis to punch, turns out, so, uh, you know,
here we are and well.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Listen, So welcome back to another episode of a special viewing,
you know the show where if you reviewed Lovely ridicalleb
what's favorite Coptro lot or Special Victors? Who is ever? Episode
in row?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
From the beginning rape charges, I'm your.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Host, Matt Road joining me is always the wa could
do rapist brother of mine? That's a verb side over
there with a jaunty hat.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
Does have a jaunty hat.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's a pretty jaunty hat, and I could see you
wearing a similar jaunty Hatt's true, that's not in the past.
I can see you're doing it in the future.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
How dare you, sir? Did you throw it to me? Yes?
Oh yes? In my quote, I testify, and I'm back
at the creamery.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
You know, that's if the alternative is being raped.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah, maybe maybe the creamery at cold Stone. They don't
make you sing anymore. I found out.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well that's something.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, how are you this sweet? Meaning?

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh you know, it's fine, everything's fine. How are you doing? Yeah?
I mean, what what is there? What is there to say?

Speaker 2 (01:43):
What yuck yucks? Can we make?

Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's not even a matter of yuker. It's like, literally,
we all know what's happening. We're watching it happen in
real time. And everyone and we've said it countless times
on this podcast, everyone is looking to everyone else being like,
is someone going to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
About to do something about this. The most frustrating person
that's saying that is like my senator. My senator is
like so much should do something about this, you motherfucker.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, that's that's your it. Like, I mean, at least
your governor is launching a sports campaign.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
I don't I don't like. I don't like that was going.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That was great for like the first week.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, now now it's like great, stop it.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Now, like you've made your point. You've gotten Fox News
all wiled up.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Don't sell the fucking thing, because this is just like
it's it's post ironic, right, like like I started doing
this ironically and now I'm making money from it, so
I have to keep doing it. Shut up Gavin, right, like,
here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
So like I enjoyed what Gavin was doing.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Some some more trans people out you fuck.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
Yeah, So but here's the thing. And then you got JB.
Pritzker talking like fucking Liam Neeson out of fucking take it.
He's like to be motherfucker. There is no hole that
you can crawl into, there is no distance you can go.
I will find you and I will fuck you up.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
And it's so fascinating how the democratic elites, the Democratic
Party is like, no, no, don't say that, say this
is all a distraction from kitchen table issues. Fascism is
a kitchen table issue.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's Fascism is in every issue because it's a cascat
You fucking idiots. Do you not get the cascading effect
that once you get the fascist about the top, the
trickle down of that is everything.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
And I hate that the leftists of which I am one,
but I hate that the leftists are right when they're like, oh,
you know, liberals will side with fascism over socialism. Correct,
we're watching it happen. I'm like, mother fucker, why are
they right? So goddamn always.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Because they see the matrix, they understand and you know,
I I want to just so we could write rave
about this, and there's I would say that would there
would be history books written about this, if books were.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Ever gonna be loud loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna
get a truth smuggle. This podcast in like a in
like a shoe from behind the whatever the Berlin Wall
is from of America.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
It's it's truly incredible. But like you know, we've talked
it awful lot about the right wing media atmosphere, the
Fox News and everything like that in this like a
thirty forty year project to ultimately culminate in.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
This that is successful. Yeah, has been successful.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Correct. Let's not forget the fact that the left has
the same thing, except their apparatus has been designed to
take any sort of actual liberal idea, make it conservative,
but then convince everyone that it's liberal.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
So I think, like if you look at the the
Republican Party under like Clinton, like their platform versus like yeah,
versus like present day Democrats, the Democrats are more.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Conservative that I will say. The one thing that the
one thing that I will sort of asterisk is the
left that you're referring to is not the left that
I was just referring to.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh yeah, you're referring to the actual left. I'm referring
to the Democrats political. Yeah, the Democrats the party sees.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Let me tell you, Matt, So I have I have
a solution and also a problem. So I I too
feel like you feel like wake up every every morning
to a fresh hell, and it does feel like torture
in that I don't think that I can take any
more bad news. And then more bad news comes and

(05:49):
I'm like wow, like like when will it all? Just?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Every day is an expansion of the things I thought
I couldn't do, like the agony that I thought I
couldn't be in any more of there's the floor. There
is no floor anymore. And I'd like to thank every
Democratic politician for helping put us in this fucking position.
I don't give a ship what bullshit you're sending right now.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
If any.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
There's any Democrat that is, oh the fucking goal for
all the fundraising. If there is any Democrat incumbent that
if there is elections next time wins their service. Everyone
in that district that voted that way to maintain that incumpancy,
kill yourself. This is a straight up endorsement to fucking

(06:39):
off yourself because you are the problem.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Yeah, but it's everyone else's.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
No, no, no no, it's you. No no, no no, it's you.
Anyone that sends someone back. No, if you send anyone
that is currently in Congress back to Congress, kill yourself.
You don't deserve to live. Kill yourself in front of
your family.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
To be sure, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Die Die die. I must endorse this more die. None
of them deserve their jobs anymore, not a single one
of them.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Death is the answer, so much so that AI has
started to advocate for children to kill themselves.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I advocate with I too, side with the robot overlords
and welcome them to take over the world.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
I mean, sure, but they don't actually know anything. Speaking
of AI not knowing anything, you might not be hearing
us on our typical.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
You might not be hearing us at all.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, you might be hearing us at all. But if
you do hear this is like Schrodinger right. If you
are hearing us. You might not be hearing us on
your typical platform because we have been I think, removed
from Spotify entirely out removed. I'm not sure if it's
all of our past episodes and not the future ones,

(07:54):
or the future ones are allowed, or I don't know,
but we have from time to time used copy written
copyright time okay, from.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Time, Uh it was it's it was fairly consistent for
a good stretch there that you were.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, so so we've yeah, you stopped.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
After I got kicked off of Spotify for.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
So, yeah, we've gotten removed from Spotify for using copyrighted material,
specifically music, and and it's it's not at all a.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Like and it's and it's not the theme, it's.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Not about We have express uh, we have express permission
from Mike. I can get an email. So the point
is we have used enough of certain songs, specifically Frank
Sinatra's My Way that one time togger Spotify's a I

(08:56):
to say, oh this part, this motherfucker is making money
off of Frank Sinatra's My Way. But that's not our money.
They're taking money from us, I guess, or from Frank
or something. And we keep telling them that this is
fair use. It is. We're being commentary, we're doing parity,

(09:20):
we're making yuck yucks and like the Spotify AI has
no no mercy for us, so we're no longer on Spotify.
But also fuck Spotify.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, yeah, agreed, they already So I like an idiot
used by personal account associated whenever I set us up
in Spotify. So I got kicked off of Spotify. They
literally axed my account, my premium account that I was
paying them for. So they removed me. They said I
can no longer do it, and removed all of the
episodes that had the copyright infringement, and then they decided

(09:53):
to just take the whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Yeah, to take them and we and we kept responding
to these emails being like, you don't understand.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
This is under fair use, Like if it's not fine movie.

Speaker 2 (10:05):
That's fine, we like, let us know and we'll remove it.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
But meanwhile, so I was paying them money they kicked
me off, so now I'm no longer paid. So what
a great business decision that was. So I'm now taking
my premium and paying it's Apple instead, Like.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
I'm gonna yeah, what are you doing to subvert dot FM?
As I think the uh, the streaming platform that is
going to be like an artist owned one. I don't
think it's out yet, but that's the that's gonna be
the new thing that breaks my heart in two years
when it when it sells to fucking private equity. But

(10:38):
I want to point out specifically, you know, AI is bad.
It's like so so bad. It's encouraging people to kill themselves.
It's luring people out of their homes to their death.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
See our previous episode that got cut out.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
But yes, oh no, I mean I would say why
I got got and uh. And it is also removing
us from Spotify, which which is interesting because Spotify CEO
Daniel Eck has recently become the chairman of an AI
military startup. I think this is called Centaur. Uh. It

(11:18):
is supposed to be like drone and advanced AI pilots
and fighter aircrafts like. Okay, so it's the movie. It
is the movie Stealth. So here's my issue once again,
not my only issue, not even my number one issue.
Oh sorry, it's called Helsing Helsing.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Like Van Helsing.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I hate this so much, which that's the that's
the name of the company. And then the name of
the project is Centaur, the Centaur System. So okay, so
you like a man horse, like a man horse horse
Horseman of the Apocalypse. So my my question for all

(12:03):
of these CEOs is, like you are all nerds, and
you know, we know, we know what a palenteer is
in reference to right, So the palenteer is a thing
from Lord of the Rings. It's like a seeing stovee.
So but it's the thing that Sorrowman uses to see

(12:27):
where like, why would you name your thing? And this
is not the first time this has happened, after the
very clear villain of the of the thing, Like I'm
reminded of the one of my Museum of Twitter tweets,
which is from Alex Bleckman saying sci fi author Colin

(12:52):
in my book, I invented the Torment Nexus as a
cautionary tale, and then tech Company at Long Last, we've
created the Torment Nexus from the classic sci fi novel
Don't create the Torment Nexus. And it just seems like
we keep and that's from twenty twenty one. It just
seems like we keep creating the Torment Nexus and then

(13:12):
naming it the Torment Nexus because all these people know
how terrible they're being and they just don't care. They
are broken, bad people.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
So I've been doing something to get through the day.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Okay, So how are you doing it?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Me? I'm doing it.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Feels like you're doing good.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
I'm doing I've been doing something to get through the day.
I have been getting up and I've been going on
long walks with my dog until the endorphins overtake the
murderous rage. I'm like, I'm like walking until the feelings
go away.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Okay, And I mean exercise is a good thing you should.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I'm actually down sixty pounds.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Wow, good at you.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
I have lost sixty pounds in four months.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Holy shit, man.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, I'm walking a lot. There's a lot of feelings
that I have to walk until they go away. And
I'm walking so much that the dog and I went
on a five and a quarter mile walk this morning,
and I was like, oh no, the feelings haven't gone away,
and so I now have to buy a weighted vest

(14:22):
to wear on my torment nexus walks in orders for
the feelings to go away. So I'm I'm in a
bit of a jam here. As turns out, I thought that,
you know, I thought I was doing something positive and
I just cannot outrun.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
That is a good thing though, so actually similar similar things.
So yesterday real difficult, today also real good today. But
today I also made the decision. I was like, you
know what, I keep going in and out of the
cycle of like, all right, I'm gonna get back on
Reddie because I'm just gonna look at stuff that's like
it's like fun, like fun righted stuff like you know,
like dogh videos and shit, no, well sure, like you

(15:05):
know things of every naturally and then like the algorithm,
like it takes up all the oxygen everywhere. Yeah, yeah,
Y can't escape, which rightfully it.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Should yeah, and it should be.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
This is a big fucking different. He's rolled out pictures
of himself over like the buildings being like all hail
Grand Leader in DC, and everyone's like it's fine.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Of all the things that people forgot about the first
Trump administration, one of the one of the kind of
most telling to his reassent is how much just everything
was about him from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty, where
like you couldn't have any conversation with any anyone else

(15:52):
ever without mentioning him, which is exactly the way he
wants it right, because he's a fucking milignant narcissist. But
like Biden went in and like we were able to
sort of like take a breath out. And then, because
the American public has the memory of a goldfish, we
forgot that that Trump just like sucks up all the

(16:12):
air in every room that he's in, and he The
weird thing is he kept doing it even when he
wasn't president, and we were still like that guy's five.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Well, we're all like, oh, isn't it funny when he's
doing this out of office and it's like, oh yeah,
he's like a child. And they were like, let's do
it again.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah yeah, fire, fire back up. So yeah we're both
having uh.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
But yeah, so you've been doing the walking thing, so yeah, awesome, fantastic,
good for you. Yeah, and then fucking got so like
I got up to the gym today and I was like,
all right, don't feel a much. So again same concept of.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Like you get to your door until the pain goes away.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, and so that's uh, I'm not down sixty, I'm
down a pound and a half. There.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
It's not about the number on the scale, it's about
how many bees are in your head.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Everyone knows this.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
So many beats.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
It's how many people did you not murder as a result?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Yeah? Yeah, So tonight we are going to be viewing
and reviewing and lovingly verniculing Law and Order SU seasoned seventeen,
Episode twenty entitled Fashionable.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Crimes, Fascist crimes.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well the cops aren't the one doing the crimes in
this for once in this episode. But first mail.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Bag, it's what with the war crimes?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
What with the war crimes?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
First is from listener Ezra, and it is presumed guilty.
Presumed guilty title of the email. Dennis O'Hair played a
priest who was an alleged rapist and pedophile, but wasn't
actually the guy who done it.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Who's Dennis O'Hare do not know?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Couldn't tell you. I thought you would know what that was.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
No, I just I think just a random pull.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh well there we go, Thank you, Ezra. Next email
is from listener Tony in shocking an email titled THEO,
and Tony writes, hey you guys. One Josh Johnson mentioned
fun fun, Yeah, good job. Two yep, I've read one
Sookie stack House by Sharp was it? Charlene? Charlene Harris Caroline,

(18:15):
Caroline what. I don't know, Charlene, it is hoardy in
I think it was supposed to be a way, but
you wrote.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Away, away, away.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Hardy in a way that didn't appeal to be Polly
without developed emotional connections. For me, the worst book series
I've read is Terry Goodkind Sort of Truth, because he
is into torture, porn, the whole thing with the mord
sith if you Lord, if you, if.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know, you know? Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
I have not yet read a Court of Thorns and
Roses again, too much partner swapping for me.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Personally, Leanne is reading all of the Acho Tar books
and they're partner swapping. Should I be worried? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Uh. As for Fourth Wing by Remecha Yaros, I have
no excuses because the fact I am currently focused on
indie authors.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
If you if you want graphic uh graphically sexy, I
usually recommend Emma Holly female dom Y or Angela Knight
Male dom, depending on your taste. Admittedly, I'm more familiar
with romance novels and less uh familiar with erotica's, so
if you have a specific taste, i'd have to do
some research.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Could you could you send me something where a guy
fox adoor?

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, we've already we've we've talked about that, have we.
Now I wanted three and I want to tell you
my camping while being chased by a serial killer and
a hurricane. You were being chased by the hurricane, the
hurricane chased you. Uh story. It's not as exciting as
I've made it sound, but I could tell it. Uh,
tell it really funny if I was live HOTA for

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now THEO that?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yeah, just record you tell story? Because damn that's fucked.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
You should do a you should do a mof a
off thing.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, do do a moth thing. Send it in. Tony
follows up with another email entitled THEO nice, uh, saying,
just re listening to the episode where you were shocked
that the youth were using location sharing. That's pretty recently.
I think I am not a youth. However, I've watched
enough Dateline to want them to find my body. My

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data has been stolen in so many breaches. Google is
already stalking me, and I'm not prepared to go all
Unibomber in the forest. See this is the problem. This
right there is The problem that Matt is is, well
you know why Ted con since he did nothing wrong
when names of E. Rubinstein in the forest. So yes,

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I will live with the knowledge that enough, with enough effort,
anyone could find me. I just prefer to make it
easy for the people who I can about, who will
come look for me when the police tell them adults
are allowed to go missing. My fellow sv Eunix spelled wrong.
Is this a lady safety thing? Or is this and
I've watched too much true crime thing I think it

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is interesting?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Or both or both?

Speaker 2 (21:18):
So last email is from Peggy, and Peggy writes in
Dean Kade not that fit question mark. That doesn't need
a question mark if you could believe it. Hi, Matt
and Nevive. Have you seen the video Yep, they've released
of Dean Kaine sadly completing the obstacle course that ICE
agents need to complete in training. Here's a clip of

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Pod Save America talking about it. So thing one, don't
listen to Pod Save America.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, like, oh my god, don't do that.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
These are these are the fucking liberal assholes that we're
talking about. But thing two, did Matt the Republicans? Yeah,
I mean they would have been in the eighties at least.
Do you, uh, have you seen this, Matt.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
It has you sent me a tweet about it?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
I believe I.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Didn't what I saw the screen grab, but I was like, oh,
this is not gonna look good.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
This is he's he's he's not doing the obstacle. Course,
well I would, I would, I would give it a click.
It's YouTube, I'd give I'd give it a little click.
Watch watch his uh, his his workout there?

Speaker 1 (22:26):
What a rigorous, rigorous rigorous.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Also, my guy's fifty nine, like he, I guess is
in good shape for almost a sextagenarian. But like, okay,
like you're rolling around in a ton if you just
want to go to the playground, my guy, I mean,
don't do that, because who knows what you do around kids.
But I just assume. I just at this point, I'm

(22:52):
not saying that Dan Kane is definitely a pedophile. I'm
just asking why he loves Trump so much.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
I'm just I'm asking questions, and I'm asking questions. Why
is it that the one ideological set of people that
seem to be obsessed with the idea of protecting children
often seem to be the ones that are found out
to be pedophiles themselves.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
And for whatever reason, they're also obsessed with lowering the
marriage age in every.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
State, which that's a bit hinky, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Yeah, yeah, so so weird. What a coincidence? Anyway, that's
all the go Maile, that's fits a goa mail.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
Also removing the rights of women to be able to
do anything on their own?

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Why why do they need rights? We're protecting them, Matt.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, it's an unnecessary luxury, don't you see, Because if
everyone has rights, it diminishes the value of my own
of my own rights. Yeah, you get it, you understand, man.
That's all the Gobail's fits a Gabael the Eve. Do
we have any blue skin?

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yes, we sure do.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
I have a Is it also of the Dean Kane?
Because we don't have to do that.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Again from the corrections department. So in a segment we
like to call I just blew myself.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
I'm afraid I just blew myself. It's got to be
a better way to say that.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Fulberto sent in something last week that I read two
weeks ago at this point that I read. It was
a mother Jones article, and uh and and I'll reread
you the title of the article as I read it
two weeks ago. These extremely online young Christian men want

(24:29):
to end the Nineteenth Amendment for store public flogging and
make America white again. Does that ring a bell? Yes?
And then the headline was to understand jd Vance, you
need to meet the tech Bros. So that's that's what
I wrote. That's what I read out loud. It has
come to my attention that I read that wrong. To
understand say. What it actually says is to understand jd Vance,

(24:52):
you must meet the THEO Bros.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
Thank you. That's oh god, no, no.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
So Fulberto writes theobros. They're called Theobros, not tech bros.
Hashtag poopazoid. I don't even know why. I don't want
to know why. It's like theocracy. Yes, yes, I think appreciate. Yeah,
you're pretty smart. I think I think that was just
kind of a gag. Listener Ezra writes in saying I

(25:25):
love knowing that you're a fan of MC. Mister Napkins
never said that Zach is hilarious, and I'm a fan.
It's also nice to know that he's a cool guy.
Never said that. I'm sure you have a lot of
questions about me as a human after knowing the music
I listened to Ezra. If you knew the music I
listened to your your head would explode. Little little sample

(25:50):
of that right now, since we're not on Spotify anymore,
don't don't don't.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Try to give kick off of every ultherfucking.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Service the sound effect of bees in your borda swear.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
To God and be like, oh well now we can
really really hit.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
The cast now on the copyrighted thing. Yeah. I don't
actually know zach I. I've met him once and I
was a fan of his that joke that I saw,
but I wouldn't necessarily call myself fan. Didn't even know
what his uh what his real name was at Miss
roseenbary Nyc aka j G. S Ros aka ak aka

(26:30):
fun have her says, uh, sends us a YouTube video
of SVU being a little too comedic given the subject matter.
That's the name of the YouTube video and it's just
a super cut, a six minute supercut of svu's funniest moments.
But she points us directly to the timestamp two forty eight.

(26:53):
Do you remember the little in cell boy that is
doing like a walk in impression. Why these girls they
always reject me, oh ya, when I'm such a specimen
they like they like intercut that with Walking being like
he had this watch of his head. It's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It is not one where he was like filming himself
the whole time. He was like doing like a documentary stuff.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Yeah, yes, yeah, Ezra writes in saying I was asking
about Brian Fuller because of Pushing Daisy's, which is one
of my favorite show. Every character is an icon, and
without that show, I likely wouldn't be as big of
a fan of write well Asparza. That was the first
role I ever saw him play. I didn't even remember
he was in that show.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
How dare you, sir? I've never seen it, so it's
it's cool you miss it. Obvious SPU crossover there.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, and I will say, uh, a bit of a
viv lore. When I was in grad school, I had
to I took TV classes, TV writing classes, and part
of the TV writing class was I had to pick
a show to write a spec episode of for half hour.
I did a spec episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia,
a show that's still on the air, and for this

(27:59):
was seventeen years ago and for hour log I did
Pushing Daisies and that show had already been canceled. Moving
on from Richard Dweck at Richard Dweck Comedy.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
Like a Water.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I was assuming I was guessing that that was the reference,
but I think this guy's name is actually just Richard Dweck.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Oh well, that's unfortunate.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Uh yeah, so uh. He says it's a couple seasons now,
but I think I think he means like away now.
But season twenty is a real doozy.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Great because they haven't been up until now. Sir, you
think that there's this we're gonna have a functioning society,
but they think that you're gonna be getting.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Podcasts, yeah, from from from the Bunker.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean you're already not getting them from Spotify. So
like it begins, at.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Least Cracker Barrel has rescinded their logo change and that's
what be all the mail bag. This fits a mail
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(29:18):
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a new look at Emily Blunt and Dwayne Johnson in
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(29:38):
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I like, I obviously I saw the picture before I
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(30:03):
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(30:24):
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Speaker 1 (30:40):
You could take that to the bank the Bloodbak Senator
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base trick limit. Now that that shit's out of the way,
onto the main event, we're gonna be viewing a reviewing
season seventeen episode twenty of sv YOU entitled Fashionable Crimes.

(31:01):
Right after this that we're back, and as we said
before the break, we're gonna be viewing and reviewing Season seventeen,
episode twenty of SVU entitled Fashionable Crimes Sister Mind or
to our listeners, all the episodes are availble to watch
on Hulu and Peacock. As of recording, it was still
around to make fun of you. You know what, Yes
you did, Aviv, Yes you did.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
It took you to realize that you are assassing me
back by saying that I didn't even think I did
anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
You did everything wrong. It was everything that was wrong, Aviv.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
You can watch it again.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
You know what, All the episodes have be able to watch.
It's like I don't know, I don't have anything to
say to that. I thought about it. I was like, dah,
there's no winning on this. Just move on, just move on.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Check me, Hitler.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Uh watch this week's episode. It's fucking wild.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
It's so crazy, it is, it's.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Pretty fucking insane. But before we get into breaking down
the episode in the and this tradition that we have
on this podcast of VIVE, you're gonna hit us with
a ninety second recap of what happened to this week's episode. So, VIV,
we're gonna put ninety seconds on the clock. Why didn't
you tell us what the fuck happened to this week's episode?
How best for you?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Okay, you guys. First reference to Pinterest on SVU. So Sally,
a young model, goes in for like a photo shoot
cast and call something with this with this famous photographer
Alvin Gilbert, not Gilbert Gilbert, and he is a real

(32:31):
piece of shit. He is like hiding weirdly hiding in
the closet of the changing room. And his assistant doesn't
allow Sally to call her boyfriend Matt to slash manager
Matt to like, I don't know what he's gonna fucking do,
but whatever, and he gives her a smack on the ass,
and it's a real like Epstein Juline Maxwell situation. They

(32:54):
seem to be drugging her she's seventeen. Turns out it's
just alcohol, but it really seems like they're drugging her
and uh, and then he rapes her on on camera
the assistant. The assistant like is taking pictures of him
raping her, so it's like a Terry Richardson thing. Meanwhile,
Sonny Creasy does not know what Magic Hour is and

(33:15):
is doing like a photo shoot with Live and Robin's
and their kids. God, but there her pussy cannot be
that good to meet, Like, no way, dude, well dick wolf,
that's that's my time, everybody. So, okay, Sally comes in.
Sorry Sally is in the hospital. The cops go to

(33:36):
meet her, and she like doesn't seem to quite understand
that she's been raped and that there were u there
are charges to be pressed, and she can't let her
boyfriend Matt know that she was there, even though she
wanted to call him before whatever. Okay, so young Dodds
is back, and we learned that Alvin Gilbert and has

(34:01):
an older brother named Beno Gilbert who is the like
a fashion designer. So they're like a one to two
punch Gilbert and Gilbert fred Monfrere. And so they referenced
the last time something like this happened, which was that
Italian model that was like the last Epstein episode that

(34:22):
we had where Munch and Finn were the kind of
the main detectives on that. And so Matt comes in
with Sally and she's got a black guy that wasn't
there yesterday. And Matt, no offense to you, Matthew. This
guy's name is Matt. This guy fucking sucks out loud.
This is this is a real Matt on her hands

(34:45):
and and he says that he discovered Sally in Dubuque,
Iowa at the Coldstone Creamery, but he can't Garner twenty
four to seven, and he says, if you don't take
care of this, Alvin Gilbert Fella, I will. And Olivia
is pretty flabbergasted that they kept shooting, and so they're
on the hunt for these photos. They find the photos,

(35:10):
and they find that that the assistant Nora is extremely
in on it and basically will like die before she
gives up Alvin. And it turns out they they charge
her for taking pictures of a miner in a sexual position,
and her lawyer is like, what do you mean? Wait?
Wait wait wait, what do you mean? And uh and

(35:33):
Alvin does not stand by her in court. He has
his own high power lawyer and he he throws her
some some scrap named Jason Gruber and uh. And so
she eventually flips on on Alvin because he has completely
sold her out. And they go to like the big

(35:55):
fashion show that Alvin has put Sally in to as
like a quick ro quo, even though I say it
asn't a quick pro quo, and uh, Beno's there, but
they can't find Alvin turns out dead in an alley.
And at this point it's like, who didn't kill Alvin?
Because it because Matt is threatening to come back with
a gun because he can't get into the thing. I'm

(36:15):
assuming Sally just did it because he's shot in the
dick first, and then then we think Nora did it
because maybe she's because she's like the spurned assistant. Nope,
it was his brother. His brother did it because he
was like too much of a liability. They were about
to take their company public. It wasn't the rapes. This
is not the first community reference I will make in

(36:37):
this episode. But I could excuse the rep the rapes,
but I won't stand for being a liability for our
I po, you can excuse the rapes. So they they
bring in Beno Gilbert and he he's like, I did
it cause because I what am I my brother's keeper.
It's almost as though he didn't know the rest of

(36:58):
that story and h and before he can say that
he did it, his wife man Mathma, says, oh, no,
I did it, and and neither of us is talking
until our lawyer gets here, and then he just like
admits to doing it off camera. It's very frustrating. But
Munch comes back in the job he was born to do, babysitting,

(37:23):
and then he like talks to Olivia like it's the
end of Field of dreams where he's like, I'll look
to the stars and I'll always be there, Olivia, And
then he disappears into a blinding white oh way dick wolf,
and we.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Would like it noted he didn't then die after that the.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Character it is his last appearance on this show, Is
it okay? So I wonder if he's like, kill me.
I don't want to come back, just kill me, and
they're like, well, we can't kill you, but we will
do this.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
We have to keep you alive so you can pop
into well I guess not anymore now that he's the actress.
Well no, but it was like, you know, just extend,
extend the Tommy west Fall universe of at all with
John Marsh appearing across different things. What this episode?

Speaker 2 (38:12):
What the fuck is crazy? I thought it felt like
this was through a three hour episode.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Like I I, it's so to your point that you said,
You're like, I I can, I can excuse the rapes,
but not the the IPO. It's like, I what I
am to believe? Yes again because he did shoot him
in the dick first is like, how dare you that
it actually was because of the rapes, because he's We

(38:42):
had how many different people that they interviewed that were
basically like, no, of course he raped me. But then
Beno gave me like a fucking ad campaign.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
So like yeah, yeah, but so like I think it
was that.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
I think he was doing it.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
But it's also because he's a liability, not because he's
like raping people as bad. It's just because like you're
costing me money.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Right, as you're costing me. Costing me money by raping people.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
By raping people opposed to rape are very inconvenient for me.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Yeah, he doesn't like the rapes, but not for the
reason that one would.

Speaker 2 (39:17):
Think, not for the reason that you shouldn't like rapes
for the main reason at least.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Right, because it would be like if he walked around
just like punching people in the face on the street
and he was just paying him off or whatever like that,
he probably would have shot him in the hand and
then he would have shot him from there.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
You know.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
It's just he's morally neutral, you see. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
The only thing that I don't that's neutral.

Speaker 1 (39:39):
He's he's montally morally neutral.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
Silence equals violence.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Man, Yeah, I mean, so it's not an incorrect statement.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
We open in like a weird photography loft and Sally
is being let in by Norah and there's like a
fucking Maserati in the in the on the on the
parquet floor. She's like, oh my god, this is from
the Vanity Fair campaign. I've had that on my Pinterest
since it came out Pinterest.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, boy, my first note here, actually, I shit you
down of Eve is like, hey, a Pinterest reference.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like it it brands. I mean
Pinterest is obviously still a thing, but it definitely does
brand this time and place of the episode.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Yeah, I agree. It's very it's a very small window when.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
That was like the thing, the thing. Yeah, so it
has it's like, yeah, I don't have one because I
cannot figure out how to use it. I think it's
just you just like collect cool stickers. Essentially, you're just like, oh,
this looks nice. I'm gonna put it in my folder
with other things that look nice. And I'm like, if
that's not pornography, I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Well, I mean, sure you could do that.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
I'm sure is there pornography listeners? I podcast on Instagram
and Blue Sky is their pornography on.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
I'm sure someone has pornography their Pitcher's board. Someone very specific.
Uh No, Cassie has a pintress and I kind of
share her account. She just put her so like if
I see a recipe online, like, I'll pin that. So
we use that a lot of times for.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Like, so it's not just it's not just visual like
you can you can pin the recipe and then you
go to your Pinter's board and like click through to
the recipe page.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Ah, yes, you know what else does that? Cookbooks?

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
But did I tell you I invented cookbooks once? Accidentally?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
No, you didn't tell me how you invented cookbooks.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
I well, it is exactly. I'm I live here in
the future with you. But I was cooking rice or something,
and I like, there's like one list, there's like one
recipe for rice where it like works really well in
our kitchen or whatever. Rice is a finicky sometimes, and
so I like go to the website and I'm like, oh, man,

(41:54):
I should like print this out, and there should be
like a like I could get like a folder or
like a three ring buy to like print out all
the recipes that I like and then put them in
the binder. I was like, oh, no, that's a cookbook. Nope,
that already exists. That's that's the thing that already exists.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, I mean that's there's nothing because we actually have
something like that too, because like if you find the recipe. Yeah,
because if you have a recipe that you like, my.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Brain was doing it like this was a new thing.
Oh I could make millions.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Uh, but yes, it's oftentimes easier to do the cookbook
thing on your phone. Yeah, yeah, I I uh have,
though I do have medic cookbooks and I enjoy use
of it.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
I have. I have some mixed feelings about giving The
New York Times any money.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
I do.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
I do subscribe to the Crossword, but uh, I worry
about I would. I was thinking about like getting the
New York Times cooking app for the iPad and like
keeping in the kitchen. But then like they can just
take it away for It's like it's the same thing
as like buying physical media. It's like they can just
decide that you don't get to have this thing that

(43:01):
you've been paying for. We live in hell. I guess
we do cool. So uh. Sally goes into the changing
room to change her clothes and she's she gets a vibe.
The vibe is weird, and she's like, can I call
my boyfriend Matt? And I'm assuming that means like from

(43:21):
the other room, but we learned later that that that
he's not there. And Nora says, you are not allowed
to have anyone in the changing room with you. Alvin
doesn't like boyfriends or managers to like impede the process
or whatever. But like if she did call Matt, like
he would grab his gun and then like come down

(43:45):
there and like monitor, like what was what did you
think the workflow was gonna be? Sally? But whatever she's
she changes and then who comes out of the closet.
I'm sure it's a door to a hallway, but it
looks like a closet. Yeah, Fish or Steve at Oscar
Fisher Stevens.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
With a head to beat the band.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
So if you don't recognize the name Fisher Stevens, we
mentioned last week that he plays the plague in the
movie Hackers, which probably will not illuminate you much further.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I feel like that movie has more has a surprisingly
larger reach than people would think. I feel like that
made the rounds on cable a lot.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
It sure did. Top four known for Short Circuit where
he is in Brown Face, Hackers where he plays the plague,
Short Circuit two where he's in Brown Face again, and
then the Super Mario Brothers movie where he plays Iggy Koopa.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
I remember him from he's on an episode of Always
Sonny because he writes them a bad review.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yes, I do remember. I think he's on a few
episodes of Always Sonny, that's the.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
Only one that comes to mind. But I'm sure you're right.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I feel like he's bouncing around forever. Yeah, he's been
in SVU before and two different characters on Criminal Intent.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Oh, there you go. He's he's a bit of a classic,
that guy.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
And in addition to being in Hackers, he's in one
episode of Hack not Hacks Hack, the one with the
cab driver show.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Yeah, crazy and uh, I guess he was a series
regular on the show Early Edition. Do you remember Early Edition?
I do not. It was Kyle Chandler. Is that his name?
Coach Taylor? Yeah, yeah, And he would get tomorrow's newspaper
today and then he would go and stop crimes from

(45:43):
happening because he got the next day's newspaper and like
like he would like save people from dying in fires.
It wasn't just crimes, so it was like all kinds
of stuff. So it was a quantum leap of sorts
some sorts. It ran for four seasons.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
You know, I just got that. The title hack is
a is a double, Like he's he's double. It's like
he's got a hack license.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Yeah, because the other what's the other?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Well, I feel like is that his name too?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh no, his his name is like Jeff Hack.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I kind of thought so, because otherwise that's a that's
just I assumed I've never seen it. I was unfamiliar,
but I thought maybe I saw, like back in the day,
a TV spot or something for it. It's like John
Hack or some fucking nonsense. I could be making that
up entirely, because otherwise, what a terrible title for a show.

Speaker 2 (46:35):
Yeah, I I it's a former cop of course. Okay,
well we're we're doing a classic complete derail of the show.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Well what we're all going to hell now?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So all right, so it's stars that that guy, right,
do you do you know that? What that guy's name is?

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I don't know his name, but he's the classic. He's
in fuck.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
He's that guy. He's the guy. His name is David Morse.
He's the he's the bad guy in Disturbia. And he
plays Mike old Shansky, Mike ol Shansky.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Is this New York or Boston?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Uh? This is Philly, of all places, in all places?
So when corruption charges strip him of his job, his
family and his pride might wait, why.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Does a corruption charge strip him of his family?

Speaker 2 (47:32):
I think that they don't. Yeah, they don't like him.
Uh So, when corruption charges strip him of his job,
his family and his pride, former cop Mike Olshansky forges
a new identity as a Philadelphia cab driver, parolling the
city as a roving vigilante who works with the local police.

(47:53):
Jesus Christ, and I'm trying to figure.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Out, like he's the fuck around and find out space.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
I'm trying to figure out what his fake name was, Like,
what the you know, Mike Mike Oshansky. No, No, that's
the that's his character's name. But he has a new identity,
and I wonder if his new identity is like mister
hack or whatever.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Oh my god, Andre Brower, I was gonna I.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Was gonna hit you with that next. So it was
created by David Kepp, who has several Academy Awards. David
Kepp wrote Indiana Jones and the Dala Destiny Jurassic World.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
David did you say fucking David Kepp?

Speaker 2 (48:36):
David Kepp, Yes, Jesus Christ, What's Mission Impossible? Jurassic Park.
Carly his Way death becomes her Fighter Man, Panic Crew,
Secret Window or the World's Za Premium Rush. So also,
Andre Brower is in is in the show and Andre

(48:56):
Brower incredible character named you are you? Are you off
of it?

Speaker 1 (49:02):
I clicked it off so you can.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Okay. So imagine you're David Capp and you're like, we
got we need an we need a salty old man
Bruce Willis type parentheses white. His name is Michael Mike Olshansky.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Okay, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Go on, we need a sassy black partner. He's not
he's it's not comedy, but he gets, he gives, he
gives good one liners, good quips. What should his name be?
You know?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
I couldn't tell you, David Capp.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
What about Marcellus Washington?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
You know what sold?

Speaker 2 (49:46):
Let's do it? Holy fucking ship dude. So, uh yeah,
that's it. That's that's that's that's hack shot in Philly.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
So one season, probably not even a full one.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
To two seasons.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Really forty episodes? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (50:02):
What the fuck?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Well? We used to do done episodes.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
That's insane that there's forty episodes of that fucking show. Yeah,
and Donna's ten seasons today.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
I know it, don't you don't don't don't I know it? Baby?

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Why is that, Uh, why is what that they don't
do as many episodes?

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Why is it that they don't do as many episodes?
And everything takes so much fucking longer to come out
these days?

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Well that's that's there's one answer to those two questions,
which is it takes a lot longer to produce a
TV show and a lot more money to produce a
TV show. So think about like how easy it is
to do let's say a sitcom or even an SVU. Right,
they have a bunch of standing sets versus something like
Severance where they're like every thing is supposed to look

(50:51):
and feel like a movie or Westworld or whatever else.
So it's a there's a lot more money and a
lot more time spent on these shows now. But the
I missed the uh the old network model of twenty
three episodes a season.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Yeah, yeah, go do that again.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
We miss it, We miss we miss you again.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Everything. It's it's going like, oh my god, streamers like
hey bade distructed. It's like we're all going back to
that model anyway, because it's like you're putting ads in there,
which is what that's what the streamers so like, if
you make it exactly what we tried to get rid of.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Then why would that's well, I mean that's uber too.
Uber has just become caps.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I just I hate it so fucking much.

Speaker 2 (51:39):
Yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So comes in and and then she's raped.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
He's like I'm gonna go shoot my load I mean
a camera and smacks her on.

Speaker 1 (51:52):
The ass and uh, he's smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, and there's like a weird thing where so we
cut to he has mounted her consentually, question mark, and
he's like taking pictures of her and he's like, get
your lips wet, get him wetter, lick your lips. I
need him, I need him wet. I watch your lips wet.
There we go to the fucking park.

Speaker 1 (52:16):
Yeah, and it's uh, it's Robin's it. What's her kid's name?

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Oh shit, I wrote it Desk like Aaron or something. No,
that's Jesse Jesse. Yeah, Jesse Jesse. Because because Carries calls
Jesse's name, He's like, Jesse, look over here, like she does.
She doesn't know what her fucking name is. She's like
three months old, what are you doing? Uh?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And live with Noah And again, like these people are
all hanging out socially too much.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Too way too much. I mean considering Rollin's and cariesy
are gonna get it in. I kind of get that
what has lived? She's their boss.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
Yeah, that's what makes it worse. It's it's weird to me.
It's like, that's your boss. Let me take pictures of
your kids, Like what what is this?

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Horrible?

Speaker 1 (53:04):
So meanwhile, Careesi having zero idea what fucking magic hour
is or how lighting works, it's like as magic hour,
magic it is, it's like mid Yeah, I was gonna
say it's mid afternoon. Guy. The the lighting is also
like it's fine, there's enough light. But like's let's understand

(53:25):
what what golden hour is?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Here? You're on uh what is that called the carousel? Right?

Speaker 1 (53:30):
Yeah? So the lighting is only going to be there
for Yeah, you're spinning around?

Speaker 2 (53:34):
What what is wrong with you? Oh my god, I
hate to be that guy. We're both that guy today.
That's not what magic hour is.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
But here's the question. Was it all in focus?

Speaker 2 (53:44):
Not his pictures?

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Yeah, I've got the aperture seats set to like one second?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
What what?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
No, it's too much light, it's too much light, it's
open for too long?

Speaker 2 (53:56):
What with it?

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Big? Magic hour and all of the light pouring.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
In so much magic. So we go back to the.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Shoot a thousand speed film? Is that too much?

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Thousand speed film? One second shutter speed, wide open aperture.
We're just looking at the sun.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
What could go wrong?

Speaker 2 (54:16):
What could go wrong? So we go back to the
photo shoot and you know, Sally is not having a
great time.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Well, actually, I thought this shot was kind of clever
because we start.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
Where we're not there yet. So before we get there,
Sally is like, I don't want to do this, yes,
and and uh, Alvin is like Nora, can you get
her to fucking chill out please? And Nora comes in
with like a giant glass of brown liquor.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
And it's like, oh goody. So my note here is
just like, uh, are we going boobs or are they
going to like actually, like I thought that it was.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I thought it was a roofie and and it was
like a Gilaide and Maxwell situation. But then we cut
to the thing that you're that you were talking about
that yeah, didn't let.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
You say sorry. So the shot opens up where it's
it's zoomed in on the lens of the camera.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
And the foot of the photography camera.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
Yeah, yeah, and you're hearing Fisher Stevens.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
He's making raping, Yes, this girl raping.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Girl, And then it takes you secon because it's like, wait,
that sounds like it's like, who the fuck is taking
the pic And then as you see that it's Norah
City there taking the pictures, and I'm just like, dude,
what the fuck are you doing? What the fuck is
happening here? And so I was like, this seems like
a legitimate business man.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
You're like, she and this girl does not see into it.
She isn't in it. No, But the the reason I
point this out is, wasn't that wasn't that glass of
liquor supposed to like loosen her up? It didn't work.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Barely needed one, one or two more of those.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And so so she's like afterwards, she's like, oh god,
fucking this was this sucked. I hate I hated this.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
And Nora brings her a towel.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
How nice of her, woff, And so then we go
back to the park.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It's still not magical, by the way, as official Stephens
gets up from the bed end, so he's he literally
just turns to know at that point or not, no,
excuse me, Nora Nora. Nora goes and he's like, hey,
did you get all that? She's like, I sure, Dan,
and my note here is taking pictures of our crime spree.
What's the best idea we've ever had.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It turns out that's his undoing for not we leave
Frog the week. But that's what happened to the fucking
Catholic priests too.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
That's also true. The best part about this, though, is
like how much the photos of that happening both like
both defeat our our intrepid heroes because they're like, well,
he's just gonna say that it's an ad. It's like,
but but if you look at the pictures and then
you have that girl testify and say, yeah, that wasn't consensual.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I'm sitting I'm telling you that I don't care.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
What are his artistic visions?

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Was that that was not wanted? Man? It's like like
I was like, Hey, can I fuck you on camera?
I said no? And then hey for the ad and
I'm like still no.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
And then it's like because he calls it art doesn't
make it not a crime.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Also, that ship has to be in your contract to
be completely that guy.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I mean, it's like the fact that but everybody that's
for me was like, well, we could never combat this.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
It's like you have, it's so so unbelievably easy to
combat this.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
And then they're only like, well, shit, he got us
all that that whole well, art will always win in court,
which doesn't make any but that's like not a third act.
We're just gonna be like, but this is also kitty poured.
It's like, guess that should have been one of it.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
It was kitt the whole time.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
My god, it was always it didn't just become vet.
Why how in the.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
Fuck you guys are so bad at this? So it's uh, Shane,
Olivia gets the call that this rape has happened and
they've got to go to the hospital, and Carasey says,
or maybe Olivia says, so much for Magic Hour, and
I'm like, god.

Speaker 1 (58:12):
It's it's also still not okay. So my next note
here to that is, so are they all in the
clock right now with just fuck it off at work?

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I hope, I fucking hope, so waste those taxpayer dollars. Maybe, well, but.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Then it's like, but if you're all on your day off,
then it's like, no, someone else handles that. I've got
work with my baby. So now I gotta go. I
gotta call up my fucking baby, call up John or
they or gotta get munch like I gotta now I
gotta coordinate childcare.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
But like also, I mean, I think that this is
an interesting thread to pull because if they, let's say
that they're on their day off, right, would all three
of them have the same It seems like they're that
right there sitting on that carousel is like three quarters
best for you.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
Right, So that means it's gonna be Dobbs.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
And Dods And I'm so sorry to have to tell
you it.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Dos it's not excuse me. As soon as I said,
I was like, nope.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
It was gone for a week and you've just regressed.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
I know. Here's It's so funny because I was like,
in my head, I was like, it's definitely Dobbs. It
was like I was assuring myself, like that's what it is,
And then I said, it was like, no, it's not.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
You're not gonna have to worry about it for much longer.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
That's also true, but like I guess it would mean
that Dodds is in charge, but they didn't even know
that he was back right, because he comes back in
the next So just Ice Tea holding down the fort.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Oh boy, I don't understand. Like, and a bunch of
really young looking sea eyes. Yeah not sea eyes undercovers.
You see, it doesn't make any sense. They go to
the hospital, and while you were writing down about all
this logistical stuff, I'm noticing that the extra that's walking

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across the frame and the other their direction looks like
he's got straight doodoo in his pants. He's like got
a he's holding an ivy and he's just walking around
with like a big load in his pants.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
That's very distracting. Had I seen that, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
And so they talked to Sally, and Sally is like, yeah,
this guy had sex with me and I didn't want
to have sex with him. And they're like, uh huh,
that's rape And she's like rape what like yeah, and
like file charges against charges?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Is she a baby?

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Well she's seventeen and she's from Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Okay, But in Iowa, I'm pretty sure they still understand
what rape is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Yeah. Yeah, they don't have lead paint there. I mean
they might, but the I think it is She's like
I don't know what she wants from the cops. Now,
I'm not saying like the cops shouldn't be there if
she doesn't want them. They're like, she, obviously a crime
has been committed, but like she just seems so confused
about all of the details that I got happened.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Did someone at the hospital did, like what are the
doctors or nurses called?

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I think so they brought her in because she she
came in because she was all fucked up, and the
I'm sure the nurse is like, uh, it looks like
you've been raped, and then they call the cops.

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Right, but that also wouldn't be If that was the case,
then she shouldn't be like rape.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Yeah, yeah, I still agree.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
So again I asked the question, is she a baby
or something like she does not understand the cop? Does
she know what sex is? Does she don't what just happened?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
She definitely doesn't know what sex is. She doesn't quite
grasp is rape? Oh boy, if she were a virgin,
first of all, there's no way with that boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
She's not, and this is not She's probably been raped
numerous times.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So so it is
entirely maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
That's entirely why she doesn't understand that it was rape
because it's like she's never had a consensual.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Yeah yeah, She's like, oh yeah, yeah. When someone wants
something for me, they have sex with me and then
they give me a thing. But I don't want to
have sex with them, but they like do it and
take it from me, and that's being in a relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
And it's like, that's that's week. That's the only fucking
way this makes sense though.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
And I buy it. I like, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
The episode.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
I agree with you, but it is grim. And so
she says, oh, don't tell my boyfriend. Totally, don't tell
my boyfriend. He doesn't know I was there. Why did
you ask if she isn't call him?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Isn't he your manager? And didn't he set this up?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
What would he have done if you called him? Just
like stayed on the phone while you changed or he
would have come down. Yeah, but like take it so
long anyway, So we come back from our theme, Yes,
all that happens before the theme and Dodds's young Dods
is back and he said there. Olivia's like, ah, you uh,
you're back from Quantico And he's like, I can either

(01:02:56):
confirm nor to shut the fuck up, shut up, shut
that does not land and uh, And so they start
looking into Sally. She's fresh off the bus from Iowa.
They have planes now, and the photographer is Alvin Gilbert,
who is the younger brother of Beno Gilbert. Alvin is
the photographer. Beno is like a clothing designer, and Finn says,

(01:03:19):
I think I need your help on this. Finn says
something like, oh, he was the guy from the Italian
model that was also sex trafficked, that like eventually tried
to kill herself, but he was neither of them. Was
that the guy?

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
He's just like, so, what is he referencing just like
that that happened.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
It's like it was a case that happened in the
time that we would have been watching the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Show, and I remember the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
I think they're just counting on the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Audio. Hey remember that when this happened. Yeah, yeah, I
thought that he he was like saying that there was
like a closer connection, and so I was like, oh,
did was Griffin donn on a previous episode or or
Fisher Stevens And Fisher Stevens was in a previous episode,
but not as this character was very confusing to me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
As well. It should be. It's a bit haand O
good and give it everything that we know. Again, if
we were just watching this at the time because we're
not there, weren't made, or maybe there were maniacs out
there that have paid maniacs go through and watched every
episode in a row from the fucking beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
We're going to read some user reviews about this from
some maniacs. So good, No, they're not that, They're not
that that bad. It's just and so Matt the boyfriend
brings Sally in. It's interesting that we haven't ever had
an episode with like a Matt before because I would

(01:04:55):
have remembered because it will be confusing because your name
is Matt, but this guy is wearing a leather jack
backet fur collar. Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Should I be offended by this?

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
I think, as someone with a pretty uncommon name, there
are names that just like give off bad vibes, and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
You believe Matt to be one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
I think Matt is Matt's a fuck boy. You know
this to be true?

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
No, well, yes, you know nine to three quarter royter
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Yeah, he gaslights, he gate keeps, he girl bosses all
the things Matt, all the things. That's like, uh, that's
like some uh, some comedian was like, you could bag
any white girl at a bar by walking up to her,
looking her in the eye and saying, I'm sorry for
what Josh did to you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
They're just some names. They're just some names.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I mean, I have not heard that about it. Or
maybe this is everyone's just saying that when I'm not
around to spare.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
My feelings, you leave and they're like, thank God he's
not one of those.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Mats or boy, I can't believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Matt, what a fucking Matt. It's it is much like
Glenn Potential, right, sure, No, I get.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
It, No, I I understand. I just I've never the
Venn diagram of like that with my name. I've never
I've never run across that listeners. Is that a thing?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah, yeah, tell us your biggest matt ick. No, not that,
but no, just it's just general the worst thing a
Matt has done to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
I am asking for general, just generalities, like is that
the thing is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Is Matt one of the a vibe because like Chad,
Chad is another one.

Speaker 2 (01:06:36):
Chad's another vibe for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Like, that's a vibe to me, and I understand it
is Matt a vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
And if so funny, I know so many Matts. My
friend Matt Ott, who you know, was once in a
band with a bunch of other Mats and they jokingly
referred to themselves as Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah. I was gonna say that would be our pop
culture Jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Oh yeah, yeah Fleetwood, Matt Fleewood, Matt Oh yeah yeah yeah.
Are they doing more pop culture Jeopardy?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I think I think they're going to. I think they're doing,
like we.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Really we really do need to try out for that. Yes,
try out with Matt, are you he has won Jeopardy before?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
Are useless? Fucking knowledge based? Also, my fucking you know,
it's even best is my immediate boss. His name is Matt,
so forever not at all what you're describing. He's also
older with kids and such, so like he's not total boy.
Yeah sure, but like so like that in terms of

(01:07:40):
like knowing Matts, there are so many Mats at my
company that I'm often in meetings with, so it just
gets real confusing amazing. But that's why I don't get
that that vibe, because like I'm thinking of the people
that I work.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
With, so many mats you love. I think we're going
to reach a similar inflection point with Jen Alpha and
gen Z with names like Braiden. There's so many, so
many Braiden's. In a meeting, You're like, not you Braidenes.
Uh So to Braiden at two Braiden. Check out our

(01:08:16):
new T shirt on a red bubble at two Braiden.
Now now things can be memes on our on our Instagram.
There So Matt wants to make something Jordan. So Matt
says that he discovered Sally in Dubuque. He is her
at the Colstone creamery where she worked, and he is

(01:08:38):
her boyfriend and her manager, but he can't guard her
twenty four to seven and so, cops, you better get
this Alvin guy, because if you don't take care of him,
I will.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
Meanwhile, when I say it's about as close to like
she's actually choking her with the thing, He's like, yeah,
the reach of his arm around her shoulders is like
practically like like she like he's gonna better over give
her a nookie. Yeah, you know, like it's it's unsettling.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
It is what my friend Emily used to call the
don't embarrass me, like someone like grabs your shoulder and
it's like, don't embarrass me.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
Sure, I can see that. And she's also rocking aviators
that do not fit her face, so it's like, oh good,
So this is clearly covering up some sort of a
domestic issue. Because I'm looking at the guy in the
jacket where the arm is and the sunglasses. I'm like,
there's only one direction this is gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
And it turns out it's two directions because I'm like,
when I see the sunglasses, I'm like, she didn't look
punched the last time we saw her.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Oh she didn't, but something tells me as soon as
we take those glasses off.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
So they have to separate Matt and Sally, and Matt
like doesn't want to leave Sally alone. But they all
all the cops.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Like all the dude cops are like, come over here, dude,
come over here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:58):
But they do they do the thing that dudes need
or that you need to do when you're trying to
manipulate to you, which is like, you're so important to
this investigation that we have to we have to question you,
and it's just so that they can get Sally alone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Right, because they're like, oh my god, come over here
to tell what's tell us about this Alvin guy?

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
So you know so much about him, you know, since
you're so smart and big and strong and your penis
is so big. And so Sally talks to Olivia and.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
Okay, so this is where what the fuck is happening?
So they go to the hospital. This is presumably because
like they're in the squad room the following day, I'm guessing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
I support or maybe like six hours later or something maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:10:46):
So because she's changed in a close to like I
fun I assume No, it definitely was because when Dodds
comes in, Oh, Dodd's back, right, Dodds as Becky says, yeah,
you picked up a case last night. So it's the
next morning totally, and they're asking her questions and they're like,
is there anything after they've now found out about this

(01:11:07):
Jeelbet guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And he calls someone else a jamoke.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
But they are now rather than being like, okay, tell
us your story, so they're like everything you want to
tell us, Like, they're now like questioning her story where
they convinced her to come down and report this and
they didn't they didn't present it like tell us what
happened again, or like did you remember anything more? They're
like anything, you didn't tell us at the hospital.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And she automatically assumes that that means that they don't
believe her, which is like, why would she assume that? Well,
because the way the question because he's rich.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
Well, I think she's also a seventeen year old girl
who apparently didn't realize she was raped.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
That's also true. So once again, why would she assume
that they don't believe that they had to drag that
they had to tell her that she was raped, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Which that doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense
that our detectives are not immediately then just like no,
of course we believe you. We just you know, they're
just like they just don't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
You know. Sometimes people change their story like dude, what,
And I think that they're trying.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
To they're questioning her like they actually they don't believe her.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
They're trying. I think that once again generous because it's
not actually in there. I think that they're trying to
suss out whether it was Alvin that raped her or
whether it was Matt because they they noticed the shiner
and they're like you didn't have that yesterday And she's like, oh,
it must have been from the assault. And they're like,

(01:12:35):
do you want to say anything to us? And I
think that's the only thing that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Well, again, we were already at like two. It's like,
there's only one way this makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
If this girl has has never had that's also true.
That is also extremely true. And so she says that
Nora kept shooting the photos as as Alvin was raping her,
and Olivia is absolutely gobsmacked at the idea that the
photo assistant kept shooting photos. Why two episodes ago you

(01:13:11):
found thousands of photos of raped girls in a in
a church graveyard.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Also not two weeks before that, the deputy director or
the deputy she literally had a whole bunch of fucking
the poor poorn pixels, the poor, the child porn pixels.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Porn pixels, sniff them, dogs can find them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
And you it's like the idea that that child pornography
or rape pornography of non children exist.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah, And so I have to stress this does not
seem to be that she is disgusted by it. It
seems like she's like, what do you mean she kept shooting?

Speaker 1 (01:13:58):
I mean the old again being generous. The only thing
I could think of is like, is that she would
have to be like, wait, there's pictures of this. This
is gonna be an open and fucking shut.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
Yeah. Maybe maybe that's how flabbergast. And she's like, oh god,
I can go back to the merry go round.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yeah again, it's the classic taking pictures of our crimes, pree,
what's the best thing?

Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
And so she all of a sudden is a little
worried about, you know, not all of a sudden, she
is consistently a little worried about, like pressing charges, what
if these pictures get leaked. Alvin is very powerful, She's
gonna ruin his career. And Barbara's like, hey, dude, she
is absolutely right. He is very powerful and very rich,

(01:14:39):
and and they're gonna say that she like wanted it
and then had cold feet or something. And so they
they want to do a what's called a controlled meat
between Sally and Nora to get Nora to like implicate herself.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
And basically they need they need enough of something so
they can get a warrant and just get the pictures correct.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
And so Nora gives her that immediately she sits down
with Nora and she gives her the classic you know,
Alvin didn't use a condom. I'm worried that I might
be pregnant, and Nora's like, well, we'll take care of it.
And Sally's like, what about all that evidence that you
have that this happened, And Nora, for whatever reason, it's like,

(01:15:27):
don't worry about that evidence that we have that's on
a separate SD card, not like we have to there
what evidence? There is no evidence, fuck you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
And they're like, all right, well that's that's enough for
a warrant.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
There once again, open a shut baby. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
So they come in again. They have fucking photos of
the attack happening, and again, okay, ridiculous. So they bust
into the studio and they're like, Hi, give us all
of your shit and they're like we have investors here, please,
and they're like, ma'am, I don't give a fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I don't give it. So, so the man that is
that is trying to stop them is Alvin's sister in law,
who I don't know if she has a name. Her
name is Claire Claire gil I actually was gonna like
like my heart said Claire, but then I was like,
don't defy me, Claire. So Claire Gilbert also weird played by.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
Take two on that I didn't put that together, but yeah,
Claire Gilbert come.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
On, played by Julia Guglia, Francesca foreign Fari, Donnie Francesca
Francesca Fari, Donnie, and Beno Beno Gilbert is there. And
Benno is the older brother who he mentioned, and he's
played by Griffin Dunn.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Yeah, and he is the fashion designer and he seems
very apt to just let the cops take over. He
doesn't want to run.

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Yeah, but Alvin is resisting. He says, Sally, that little bitch,
she's lying. And when they're like, we have a warrant
for your camera, he says, get your hands on my camera,
and clariels he's an artist, let him go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:02):
I know. That was the best part of I have
a line in my notes that's coming up. I think
of the next scene. Then it's just like, I mean,
I was also boyfriend. No, I applaud the mooke boyfriend.
But it's well, it's I think it's the next scene.
So they bring him, they bring him all down to
the station.

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
He is lawyered up in root.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Yes, shocking yeah, while they're in interrogating him, because he
keeps me like, well, I'm just coming to go fucking leave,
and crease he gets all up in his face and
he's like, tell your side of the story then, and
he says.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
And he's like, yes, let me tell my side of
the story in front of my lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Yes. And he says, uh. He starts out his start
side of the story with photography is a seduction. And
my note is, oh my god, quote photography is a seduction.
End quote. God, I hate artists.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Yeah, yeah, it is. You make love with the camera.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
I was like, this is the type of talk that
makes me, that makes me just like despise artists, Like
obviously we're not supposed to like him because he's the rapist.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Separate the art from the artist.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Man. I was just like, God, damn it, I fucking
hate this guy so much, and every would like him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
I'm not like him. I know you're not.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
You're not. You would never talk like that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:23):
Common you are. So the worst part about this episode
is that I don't really know which real life monster
this is referencing, but uh, so many, so many to
choose from. And uh and so we interview Beno, and
ben I was like, he dates supermodels, he doesn't need
to rape. Uh go see is that what he says? God?

(01:18:46):
See that is I didn't know what that meant, like
like uh, like a how do you do that? Like
just like someone in off the street or whatever, I guess.
And then Nora said, you know, she came in she
wanted this, Alvin and the girl just clicked camera pun No,
one laughs, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:06):
And also doesn't Alvin say something to the effective like, look, man,
she showed up alone, which meant she was dtfe.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, she showed up alone, and she came to play,
is what he says.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
And so oh, he showed up alone.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Came to play. And he tells the story of how
like he met her, which is that the mook boyfriend
like came up to him at an event and like
showed him pictures of her on his phone and is
like you have to fuck my girlfriend or something I
don't know, and so Olivia's like, we're gonna find these
fucking pictures. We're gonna get these pictures. And at this point,

(01:19:41):
I'm thinking it would be interesting if there are no
pictures at all, either they were deleted or that she
was never actually like part of the kink is is
the process of taking pictures, but not actually the pictures themselves,
because now they're looking for evidence, and the absence of
evidence would be like quote unquote proof that the rape
didn't Oh no, wait, there are the pictures. Like, as

(01:20:01):
I was typing it out, they're like, we found the pictures.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
Yeah, they're looking at their like, yeah, she doesn't really
seem to be liking this.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
It does not look good.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
And then I remember who it is that says like yeah,
but they're just gonna say it's like, oh, it's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
All barb bar it's Dodds. Dodds is like, you know,
you don't need me to explain rape culture to you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
They're like, oh, they're gonna say it's part of the ad.
It's like, again, all you had to go off of
war were these photos. Yeah, I see that being a problem.
You're gonna want to go ahead and direct your attention
over to the person that's gonna be like, yeah, he
raped me, and these are the pictures of it happening. Now.
Granted that turns out to be the rub And of
course they had to throw every obstacle in the way,
because otherwise I think generally people would be like, but

(01:20:43):
you have the pictures, and she says that wasn't consensual.
What's the fucking case here? Yeah, so they have to
do something to douchebag boyfriend and payoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
So right, oh, right, So they arrest both Alvin and
Nora because Nora at the very least facilitated rape, then
at the very very least gave alcohol to a minor,
and even even everyone's lawyer is like, come on with
the with that shit, but they they we go to

(01:21:13):
the bail hearing and there's a lot of there's a
lot of evidence, there's a lot of a pretty good
argument to not give this guy any bail because he's
got a home in five countries and he is like
a billionaire or whatever and uh. And so the judge
is like, well, just surrender your passport and bail is

(01:21:33):
that for five hundred grand? And Fisher Stephen's like five
hundred grand and the lawyer's like, yeah, that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
At this time. So then Alvin gets taken off to
where the fuck he goes, and now we've got Nora
who is saying there same lawyer, and the lawyer very
specifically because the judge rather asks are you representing her
as well? And he says, yeah, I guess for now,
and the camera takes specific note and I guess. She
kind of turns around. It looks too that everyone else

(01:22:03):
of like the Gilbert family gets up and leaves. They
don't give a about her.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Claire is like on her way out as Nora looks
toward the back of the courtroom and uh, and Olivia
clocks this and is like, oh, she's gonna flip immediately.
So they Barbara, sorry, Barbara Clark says. And so Barbara
grabs this lawyer in the hall and is like, hey,
I think that you would want to you want to

(01:22:29):
bring your client to talk about a deal. And he's like,
not gonna be my client for long. He's like, just
fucking bring her. And so she shows up in his
office with a different lawyer, this dude, Jason Gruber, who
Barba's like, have you even passed the bar and he's
a very young young man.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Yeah, and he says like, oh, we've worked together on
a bunch of cases. What's what do you what do
you want?

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
What are you?

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
What are you dealing here?

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
So this guy, this is basically like the only thing.
This guy has been in. His name is Jonathan bach
boc K, and he has been in two short films.
A TV movie called Foursome for a firm bachelor's move
into a Brooklyn apartment, only to have their plans yeriled
when one of them wants his girlfriend to move in
with them, and uh, and one other movie called Bicycle Bride.

(01:23:21):
And that's it. I think he gave up acting. So yeah, interesting,
he's got like an interesting look. He does look very young.
But uh, Barbera's like, hey, so if you flip on Alvin,
we will take the rape, the facilitating rape charge off.

(01:23:41):
And she goes, this was not an assault. It was
a that was not an assault. That was a creative collaboration.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Yeah again, boy again, And she's like, he's a genius.
I'll never turn on him.

Speaker 2 (01:23:55):
Oh yeah. So this is my second community reference of
the episode, which is an Annie Edison quote repurposed. Alvin
is a genius. He must be a genius. He has
to be. If he isn't, then I've given my life
to an idiot and that's unacceptable. Therefore, Alvin's a genius
and I will die protecting his vision.

Speaker 1 (01:24:15):
Yeah, pretty much.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
And uh and so they're like, well, this is this
sucks and and they're gonna do a bunch of discredit sally.
So let's see if there are any other girls that
this has happened to. So they go on this like
montage to talk to other girls that Alvin has shot with,
and all of it to a person, all of them
are like, oh, one hundred percent he did that. And

(01:24:37):
one of them is like, yeah, I had sex with them.
He didn't hold a gun on me. Beat wait, actually
he did hold a gun on me.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
And that's what they're like, I'm sorry, what he held
a gun on you and had sex with you when
you didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
And she's like, yeah, I don't, I don't. I don't
think the gun was loaded, but yeah, who could say?

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
And they're like and again we're we're you're You're like
that's fine, everything's fine and there and everyone is like,
do you think I want to not have a career?
And I'm like, if you have to do that to
have a career, is it really worth it? I guess
if you have no soul.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
I guess if you have no soul.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Right like, or it's been fucked out of you non consensually.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
And so they go to find one of his oldest victims,
the one for the longest ago victims.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Twelve years ago. Twelve years ago, Munch came through. So
it's like, oh shit, much.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah, we see much, but like, is this not an
episode that we've seen. It must can't be because we
haven't ever had seen this character before. But yeah, so
month shows up and now this this woman who was
raped and her name's Ava, was considering committing suicide, is

(01:25:55):
now running a modeling agency that like rents women out
to Alvin.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
Or yes, sends sends models.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Sends models to Alvin. Yeah, and uh. And so they
talked to her and they're like, hey, Ava, what the fuck?
And she's like, listen, this girls is so innocent. She
goes she's at and she's not. She knows what's up
taking pictures. Photography is a seduction, as they say, And

(01:26:23):
and Finn is like, you tried to kill yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
She's like, that's neither here nor there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Yeah, poor poor me. And I think that this like
could be an interesting character exploration of like victims blaming
themselves retroactively or whatever. They're not gonna fucking do that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
No, and again, not a moment to reflect and like
the fact that Munch doesn't say it, it's like you
realize you're doing exactly or he could have said, like
to all of the girls, you send him no, like no,
like you knew or something like that. To have her,
you know, like something you can have a line.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Like, well Munch is he's old, he's losing a step.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Well that, but that has nothing to do with the
writer's room.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
True. True. So uh, Carres and Rollins go over to
like get Sally ready to testify because as of right
now she's the only person that's going to testify. And
when Matt comes home from the gym, which hours, which
is not the gym, it's it's threatening the Gilberts with
a gun. When Matt gets home from the gym, he

(01:27:27):
sees Caresy on the couch talking with Sally. He's like,
well doing house.

Speaker 1 (01:27:33):
Yeah, And then Rollins stands up and he's like, oh
you're here. Oh guys find that Oh yeah yeah. So
then down next to Sally on the couch, he's like,
all right, well, if you're preparator for testimony, tell us
what we need to do or tell her what she
needs to do and say and ship she'll do it. Yeah,
I'm now involved.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
In this, and they get to they get a call
that Sally has been invited to walk the runway close
the show at New York Fashion Week in the like
Gilbert Fashion Show, and so they like jump for joy
and everyone's like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:08):
Hey, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
I think you're being like bought off, and they're like, no, no,
Sally's the best.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
And it's also a very shoehorn because I literally was like,
I wonder if this is gonna come back later it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
she'll be there. Make sure they put me on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
And if they don't send me on the list, I'll
shoot him with a gun. Basically every scene that he's
in he ends the sentence with I'll shoot him with
a gun.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
I swear to God, if you ever give him the opportunity,
I'm gonna shoot him with a gun. That gun then
I have over there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:39):
So Matt is played by Oh, he's very low on
this cast list. He should be up. He's pretty memorable.
Matt is played by Tom Pelfrey, who has an incredible hat.
Later on, speaking of good hats, who you might recognize
from the show Banshee, which is a show my mom

(01:28:59):
really like. She says, it's very erotic. I had to
hear about that today, and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Why would I like this? And what's the connection there?

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
Hang on, Wait, my mom likes the show. She says
that I would like it, and she says every every
few minutes, there's either an erotic scene or a scene
of violence. And I was like cool, and.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Your mom was like, eroticism in violence. Let me call
my son, hey son.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
Our normal talk. And I recognize him. I haven't seen Banshee,
but I recognize him. I haven't seen Ozark either, from
mank where he plays Joe Mankolitz, Herman Mankowitz's younger brother.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Who did you play on Ozark?

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Ben Davis? I've never seen Ozark, but he's in eleven episodes.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
Gotcha? Oh? I think I know who he is?

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
Also fun lore fact about me. Ben Davis is the
name of a friend of Leanne's that doesn't exist. Just
just drop a little a little bits of lore. But nope,
I you know what, not a fucking thing doesn't exist,
Ben Davis. So we got to court. The next day,

(01:30:14):
Sally is late and she shows up with Matt. She's like, actually,
I'm not gonna testify because what if the pictures get out?
Barb was like, this is a closed here, like.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
It's it's that's not how this works. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they will. Don't worry, They're always gonna get out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
You know. It's it's like, what happened with Aaron Andrews?
Do you remember? Oh? He also mentions killing Alvin in
this scene too, So so you were I had to
look up what happened with Aaron Andrews? Do you wanna?
Do you wanna?

Speaker 1 (01:30:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
I remind us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:50):
So is the implication that it was because of the
court documents that this video got out.

Speaker 2 (01:30:55):
Because that is the implication, which seems to not be
the case.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
It is you're reversing the order of that because these
videos came out and we're taking against her. That doesn't Okay, Yes,
Aaron Andrews still is. I think she's I think is
sports sports sports journalists of some some variety. You've probably
seen her before in some capacity if if you watch
sports in the past fifteen years, y and she was

(01:31:25):
I guess staying at a hotel for you know, traveling
to a game or something like that in Nashville.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Marriott.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Okay, and she was at this hotel and I don't
even know how the fuck this happened, but a dude
like found a way to like put like a little
peopole or some shit into her room and filmed her
while she was getting ready.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
I'm so sorry to tell you. It happened twice at
the Nashville Marriott and at the Radison Airport Hotel in Milwaukee.
He rigged two different peoples on two different dates.

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
Oh my god, that is terrifying. Anyway, so he filmed
her naked and then it then leaked it or it
got leaked.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
I don't know whether he leaked it or whether it
got leaked, but it got leaked in two thousand and
nine and went viral. And this is this is the
part I remember, is like dipshit dudes online was like, well,
it's her fault for existing naked's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
It was the dumbest of dumb takes, so fucking and
I think the guy went to jail.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
He did go to jail. He went to jail for
two and a half years, three years of probation, five
thousand dollars in fines, and a little over seven thousand
dollars in restitution, and he served a sentence at the
Seattle Community Correctional Center and was released in July of
twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
Oh so he might be kicking around the streets here,
who kicking around?

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
But Andrews sued obviously sued this guy, Michael David Barrett
who filmed her, but also sued the hotels because.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
That happened.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Yeah, Barrett essentially like greased the palms of these hotel
workers to find out what room Aaron Andrews was staying in,
and like all this other stuff. And Andrew worked with
Amy Klobachar to enact a federal anti stalking law in
twenty eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:33:20):
That's good, Yeah, something good coming out of that. So
again this kind of time stamps that and also has
the reverse order of things for Matt being like yay
Aaron Andrews. Yeah, those pictures, but it was in the room.

Speaker 2 (01:33:37):
Sorry, it was it was in the zeitgeist because in
October of twenty fifteen, so a little before this episode
comes out, Aaron Andrews filed a suit against the National
Marriott and the guy who did it for seventy five
million dollars and the jury began hearing, sorry, jury selection

(01:33:58):
for the hearing began in February of twenty sixteen, and
in March of twenty sixteen, which is like right before
the episode comes out, the jury awarded her fifty five
million dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Good for them, So that's I would have gone to
the full seventy five but fuck.

Speaker 2 (01:34:15):
Them, Yeah, fuck them. The jury found that Barrett was
fifty one percent responsible and the hotel management and its
owner was forty nine percent responsible, So I would guess
that they did that. She didn't see any money from
this one guy, but saw got money from the Marriotte.
The Marriott. So if Sally doesn't show up to.

Speaker 1 (01:34:40):
The grand jury because they're on some sort of a
clock where because they rested him, they only have X
amount of times to indict.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Or else his bail will be reduced to one dollar.
What the fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
Yeah, And then there's a yachdiyada line of like, well,
even if he doesn't have his passport, he'll find a way.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Yeah, so they they their their last ditch effort was okay,
So clear something made Sally change her story. So let's
get one of these two Gilbert brother Gilbert brothers for
witness tampering.

Speaker 1 (01:35:11):
Yeah, that's the only stretch that they have. So they
go to talk to Beno Beno first. Elvin's there later,
but yeah, and Benno's like, oh, one hundred percent, Yeah,
we just paid him off.

Speaker 2 (01:35:23):
And Dodd's is like, wait a minute, wait, you know
we're not supposed to say that to me, And I.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Think I was like, no, there was no quid pro quote, Mike,
but you already said that, You already pointed out specifically
what the quid pro quote was, because I.

Speaker 2 (01:35:37):
Know you don't understand. He came in here, he pulled
a gun on us and demanded that we put Sally
in the show and was like giving us we like
some weird pitch, some weird like startup pitch. So he
gave him fifty grand of seed money. It wasn't to
make the lawsuit go away, you see.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
And Ken the cops are like, boy, he's really thought
of everything. There's nothing we can do about this.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
You write a check and that's not quit pro quo.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
How and why are they not like thank you very
much for your time. And they go back to Barby
like one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Like you're under arrest. Yeah, Like no one's going like
he admitted it to me.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
If you go like just put this in front of
a jury and they'll be like, we completely understand. You
don't have to have them literally admit to the like,
do some goddamn work, do some police work, do some
lawyer ing?

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
How often is wherever the opposite of police work is well, But.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
In this show, the last however many episodes, it just
feels like they have forgotten about the concept. If someone
doesn't confess, it's your job to then prove it to
a jury.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
But this guy did confess. Also best to paying off
a witness. So so Alvin comes out day drinking and
like you do. Ben I was like, my brother is
one hundred percent innocent, and ben I was like, what
about a thousand percent innocent? You're not helping, thank you?
And Alvin says that he, you know, he was worried

(01:37:06):
about Sally, very obviously Sally's being abused by her boyfriend
and like this is her lashing out in some way
and fucking. Alvin's like, yeah, she got like super wet
when I simulated violence on her, and ben was like.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Shut up, you must stop talking. I beg of you.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
But Beno was like, we thought that paying the Svengali
and giving him like a taste of like what he
wanted would make him go away, and I'm like, what
that that doesn't. No. Alvin caps off the conversation by
being like, ben O, stop worrying so much about what
I say to the cops. Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
So they're they're hail Mary, last ditch. No, did they
get the indictment. They did get the indictment.

Speaker 2 (01:37:48):
He did get the indictment. But they they go talk
to talk to Matt about showing up with a gun,
and he says, and I quote, did I come with
a gun? Did I come with a gun? Did I
come with a gun? Yeah? I came with a gun,
but it was a prop gun. The pitch was the
bitch was the gun.

Speaker 1 (01:38:08):
And it's just like, you know what, y'all deserve each other.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
You do. Yeah, and and so uh, Sally says she
still doesn't want to testify, and if she testifies, she's
back at the creamery. But I made a mistake earlier.
This is where they get the call that Nora sorry
that Sally is. It is closing the Gilbert Runway show
and h and Matt's like, okay, get ready, starts starving

(01:38:33):
yourself or whatever, and then he smacks her ass, just
like Alvin smacked her ass in the beginning of the episode, right, so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Leading me to believe the only way any of this
makes sense is if this girl has literally never had consensual, never.

Speaker 2 (01:38:47):
Had consensual second in her life. Yeah, and so they're like, well,
we're fucked. She would be interesting, certainly, not why why
would they explore that. They're like, we're super fucked. Sally
won't testify. None of the other girls will testify, and uh,
and no one has done any crime that we can prove.
And then Barbara's like, wait a minute, what if hasn't

(01:39:11):
What if we what if we say what if we
arrest Nora and say that she has admitted to taking
photos of having sex of Alvin having sex with a
minor And they're like, that's so crazy. Just might work.
And I'm like, Nora has admitted to taking photos of
Alvin having sex with the binder, what do you mean.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
They're like, well, let's take another run at her to
try to break her. If they point out they're like, yeah,
so they've all abandoned you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
Do you think he'll visit you in prison love after
lock up?

Speaker 1 (01:39:41):
And you've you've facilitated all of this and she's just
basically like her lawyer rather, it is like, yeah, it
was consentual sex and stay to New York seventeen. She's
allowed to consent. And Barbara's like, oh, but weight have
you considered this pictures fuck her and the fact that
it's like own coming to them in that moment so stupid.

(01:40:03):
They're like what about the feds?

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
And none of them are like oh shit, I mean
they're all like oh shit, like none of them thought
about this at all.

Speaker 1 (01:40:14):
Right, because then he's like, yeah, it's like five years
per image or some shit like that. And Nora's like,
is that true? That's what her Lay's like, that's just
a tactic. Don't you worry about it?

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Like he knows it is true.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Yes he does, and that's pretty open and Chuck.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
That's what uh, that's what Tank Abraham got. Rip Josh piss,
the peace, answer piss, rest and piss Josh piss.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
And No's like, oh god, damn it, Well you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:40:39):
Understand what we have. We're in love and Olivia's like,
you're not in love here, the fucking hired help. He
will sell you out. He's already sold you out, just
like the last girl. And just like the next girl.
And then like cut to they're like racing to this
whatever it is, the fashion show because Nora has kept

(01:41:00):
all of the videos and photos and they are charging
Alvin with ten counts of rape now.

Speaker 1 (01:41:08):
So they must rush in. And of course, right when
they get there, which you believe it, Matt is, they're
having a hard time getting in because he's not on
the list.

Speaker 2 (01:41:15):
And of course he dresses like that he is. He's
dressed in what I can only describe as the Kevin
feeder Line collection.

Speaker 1 (01:41:24):
Yeah, the douchebag collection by Kevin Federline.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
By back by Kevin Federline, and also somehow shack and
so yeah, sure, why not. He's like, Ah, you're not
gonna let me in. I'm gonna go home and get
my gun.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
And come back here and shoot you and definitely shoot
that Alvin guy for raping by girlfriend and meal ticket bye.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
And I'm like, this is my literally my next note.
Is this all the munch that we get?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
We got like one monch scene, Well we get one more.

Speaker 2 (01:41:56):
It turns out now. So they go in and no
one can Alvin that We see Beno, we see Claire,
We even see Ava who has brought her models, and
they ask one of Ava's models whether she saw Alvin
and she's like, oh, yeah, I saw him when he
stuck his hand up my skirt. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
And actually I think this whole sequence is pretty competently made.
It does give you a pretty good sense of space
of wherever, and obviously they're always talking on the walkie
talkies where they say like, okay, you go out front,
you go here, So it's very well done. So there's
a lot of people coming and going, a lot of ins.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
And outs, a lot of what have you seen? So
they ask Beno whether he has seen Alvin and.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
He says, no, what am I my brother's keeper?

Speaker 2 (01:42:43):
So at this point I wrote down it's almost as
though they did not read they don't know the whole story.
But this is the one instance that the show is
way ahead of me, because in fact, they have read
the story, have read this story. So this is from
the story of Cain and Abel, Caine and murders Able

(01:43:06):
and then and then Adam his father. Like the first
guy is like, hey, Cain, where's Abel? And Caine doesn't
know how to answer it, so he's like, what am
I my brother's keeper? And so like that's the that's
the smoking gun. Like like the the show is telling
us that that Beno did it, and I I didn't
get there.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
Well, yeah, I kind of assumed it's just going to
be him the whole time.

Speaker 2 (01:43:30):
I didn't. I thought it was going to be Sally
or Matt. No.

Speaker 1 (01:43:33):
Sometimes they were well they were signposting Matt way too
much where it's like this is very clearly a red
hair You're trying too hard, even for you guys, You're
trying too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
So uh, they end the fashion show and all the
models have like a nole Fielding haircut for some reason.
But I'm expecting this guy Matt to do like a
mass shooting once again, mass shootings on the mind today.
But like they're all like standing on stage and I'm
waiting for Beno to just like get hit and fall.

(01:44:07):
That's not what happens.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
See, I was expecting Dodds because he was in the
backstage position. I thought he was gonna come out onto
the runway and then like Alvin was going to see
them because he hadn't seen them before and like get
up and try to run or something, and it's gonna
be like you were in a fashion show we're gonna
sue the NYPD for fucking whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
The fuck? No, that's just that. Uh goes outside for
a smoke and finds Uh finds Alvin's body dead.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
He's been shot in the dick and the chest.

Speaker 2 (01:44:35):
And they're like they they're very specific to say, Oh,
they shot him in the dick first because they wanted
him to think about what he's done.

Speaker 1 (01:44:43):
Yeah, And so Live's first question is like, well, could
she have done it? And I forget who says like, nah,
that scream was real.

Speaker 2 (01:44:50):
Yeah, and Uh, and someone is like who would do something?
I think it is Eva. Eva is like who would
do something like this? I'm like you and who wouldn't?

Speaker 1 (01:44:59):
Like are you serious? Is that a serious question?

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
And I'm thinking maybe it's the genius who kept threatening
to shoot him.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
And so they bring him all back to the station
and his Matt's alibi is no because he doesn't realize
that why he's been picked up, right, He thinks he's
been picked up for I forget what else he.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Thought fucking trying to break into the thing, I guess,
or like threatening threatening the security.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
Cars, nothing to that effect. Because they bring up the thing.
It's like, yeah, no, Alvin's dead, dude, like he was
shot and you've been talking an awful lot about shooting him,
and Matt's like, no, no, no, you see, I couldn't
have shot him because after I left, when you guys
saw me leave, I was going home to get my
gun and then.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Come back shoot him. Yeah. Beno says that he didn't
let Matt in because he he didn't want to risk
it because Sally was closing the show. I'm like, uh, okay,
I like sure, that doesn't make sense, but sure, and
so uh I think it's Sally because I'm slow today.
For whatever reason, Barbara does like a like a Kurt

(01:46:01):
Vonnegut in print, like a Slaughterhouse five quote. He's just like,
let's figure out who shot him in the pecker?

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
Yeah, because he wanted to know what life was going
to be without his pecker.

Speaker 2 (01:46:10):
Oh yeah yeah, right, whatever shot him in shot him
in the in the dick first because he wanted him
to think about what his life was going to be. Like,
well that is Packer. I'm like, okay, I mean Slaughterhouse
five is a book. He definitely like chose to read
it like that, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Right, because even live gives him a look like, what
the fuck and he's like Vonnigut. It's like great, still
weird and out of nowhere. I guess character development. We
know that Barboa likes Kurt Vonnegut, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
So there's also some security video of him getting shot.
And this is the best acting that Fisher Stevens has
ever done. Dude, the I stayed in the blind spot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
But yes, of course. But Fisher Stevens is standing out
there having a smoke and he turns. There's no audio,
but he's hers around. You see that he smiles and
then immediately is shot in the dick and crumples over.

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Him.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
Getting shot in the dick is some of the worst.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
So good, No, it's terrible, so good, it's so bad,
and so Olivia's like, wait a minute, look at his flips,
Look at his face. He's smiling when he sees this person.
Who would he smile at. I'm like, just maybe try
to read his lips and see it. What if he's
saying like hello Benno, or Hello Sally or hello Nora.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
Also she's like, oh my god, stop rewind in hence
and it's like mother forger, I clocked it the first time.
He started like oh he smiled. He knew the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Yeah, And so they're like, oh, the guy who like
wanted to extort him didn't shoot him. It was the
person who was cleaning up the messes. And I was like, Nora,
why would Nora tell the cops about ten rapes and
then go kill him? I was just wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:47:57):
I was so fucking I would have thought just straight vengeance.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Really yeah, right, I guess murder isn't super rational. But yeah,
So it turns out that Alvin was just fucking groping
everyone for years. There's there's cell phone footage of him
groping like another model, and they bring his brother Benno

(01:48:22):
in and they're showing him this footage and they're like, so,
here's the thing about guns is they leave like gunshot
residue on someone's hand. Oh, sorry, we've skipped something. They
go over to Matt's Matt and Sally's place, and they
get his gun and it hasn't been fired. Matt's story
holds up and his gun doesn't even fire. It is

(01:48:44):
like a non gun, yeah, which is very funny. So anyway,
they bring Griffin donn in and they they're like, so
you fire a gun. There's gunshot residue on your hands,
and there's so much, especially the gun it was used,
which is like the thirty eight Magnum. It's so fucking big,
an old school the gun that Alvin had in his desk,

(01:49:07):
and Griffin Dunn's like, oh, well, obviously Matt just like
went in and got Alvin's gun and shot him with it.
And they're like, no, we tested his hands for gunshot residue,
but right now we're testing Sally's dress because here's a
picture of you with your hands all over Sally's dress,
and so even though you washed your hands and you've

(01:49:30):
changed all your clothes, we're definitely gonna find gunshot residue
on her dress.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Right, And this is where the wife stands up. It's
like I am Spartacus.

Speaker 2 (01:49:39):
Yeah. Dodds gives this like weird speech. He's like, listen,
I get it. I get wanting to kill your brother.
I have a younger brother who's in and out of rehab,
and every time I go to he like tries to
drop my name every time he gets arrested, And when
I got to pick him up, he's like, don't tell dad,
And everyone thinks this is a lie, including Olivia. But
the the Claire. When Clara stands up and does the

(01:50:02):
im Spartacus thing, She's like, he was messing too much
stuff up. We were about to have an I p
O and uh, and we couldn't have these rape charges
hanging over us. And like a murder is better than
ten rape charges. I guess, like your your IPO is fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Well again, it's because they thought they could pin it
on mad the guy that has been yelling as as
much as anyone will listen that he's going to murder.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
I still think your stock takes a dip.

Speaker 1 (01:50:35):
I think it does. I think you're bright. But again
it's like I think they thought they.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Could just pin around this fucking idiot. And so then
we're in the she like lawyers up. She lawyers them
both up, and then we don't really ever see them again.
We see them in the interrogation room with their lawyer,
and Olivia and Dodds are like kind of watching and
he's like, that was a nice story that you told.

(01:51:01):
He's like, it's not a story, it's fucking real. I
have a shitty brother, and I know that he did it,
because that's the look one brother gives another brother. Question.

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Yeah, I think. He says, like, I've seen that look before.

Speaker 2 (01:51:14):
So Olvy goes home. She's like, all of the day's work,
I didn't have to cover up any murders, which I
thought if if Sally was the one who pulled the trigger,
I was like, lives about to cover up another fucking murder. Yeah,
And she goes home, she's like, I gotta go relieve
the babysitter. Who's the fucking babysitter, Matt.

Speaker 1 (01:51:31):
John Munch No, thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51:34):
And there's even a joke where he's like, don't worry,
I've already talked about a question authority and he's like,
now say it, Noah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
He says why why uh? And he says, turns out
there's more to life than SVU And I'm glad that
we've both figured that out. And like, are they worried
that they're going to get canceled because this really seems
like they're just like landing this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:51:58):
I mean, I I don't know when were the like
maybe that maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:52:04):
Belzer says that he's gonna raise He's gonna make sure
Noah grows up to be an anti dogmatic atheist. Am
I Noah and uh and then he like leaves and
goes to heaven. Yeah, Dick Wolf, good goodbye Olivia. He
walks in the hallway like et going back on his ship.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
He's like, I'll be right right here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Uh yeah, so that is our dick Wolf from Trivia Corner.
This is a weird one, the Trivia Corner. I mean, okay,
so Griffin Dunn and Fisher Stevens are both on succession.
This is the first episode for bellzer In since twenty fourteen,
since Spring Awakening, and uh, that marks the twenty third

(01:52:47):
year that Bellser portrayed John Munch. So that's pretty that's
a lot. I mean, there are some some actors that
have a longer tenure as a as a character. I'm
thinking of like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine is a little
over that now twenty five years if he comes back

(01:53:08):
for this new movie.

Speaker 1 (01:53:10):
But yeah, my god, the guy's like seventy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Just let him die. All he wants to do is musicals.
Just let him do it. So the character of Alvin
Gilbert is loosely based on Terry Richardson. So do you
know you heard about this Terry Richardson. No, So Terry
Richardson is a photographer. He shot campaigns for everybody. He's

(01:53:36):
got like kind of a weird look, and he was
mostly responsible for like the indie Slee's aesthetic of like
you know those photos of girls that on billboards that
look like missing posters, like have you seen this girl?
But it's like a girl and a leotard or whatever.

(01:53:57):
That might just be an LA thing.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
That's an LA thing, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
So this is Terry. I just sent you a picture
Terry Richardson. But he was accused multiple times since two
thousand and one of using his influence in the fashion
industry to exploit models during photo shoots, including in twenty
seventeen when he was dropped by a bunch of fashion brands.

(01:54:22):
But the issue with that is this episode came out
of in May of twenty sixteen, so everyone kind of
knew about Terry Richardson before the they dropped him. All
these people dropped him, I think as a result of
the me too movement. But yeah, so it's interesting. In

(01:54:42):
twenty twelve, Mark Jacobs said that Richardson is not ill spirited,
and in twenty fourteen he published a letter in the
Huffington Post defending himself against these accusations, and he says
he considers himself considerate and respectful of his photography subjects.
And then only three years later, twenty seventeen, a bunch

(01:55:04):
of a bunch of magazines and brands dropped him. And
then like since then, we've just like gone, the pendulum
has swung all the way back, and we don't give
a shit about sexual song anymore. We did for like
maybe six months, but he hasn't worked since twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (01:55:25):
Okay, yeah, I'm not super familiar, but.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
Oh yeah, he was a thing that people knew. But
also he still is a thing. But also right underneath that,
it says the victim and her manager boyfriend are clearly
inspired by the murder of playboy playmate Dorothy Stratton by
her manager husband Paul Snyder. What, yeah, so Dorothy Stratton.

(01:55:52):
I happen to have listened to a podcast about Dorothy Stratton.
But Dorothy Stratton was a playboy playmate, like a blonde
bomb show. Well, and she had this manager boyfriend named
Paul Snyder, sorry, manager husband named Paul Snyder, and she
was in the process of divorcing him, and she shacked

(01:56:14):
up with Peter Bogdanovitch, the guy who directed The Last
Picture Show. Yeah, and he broke into Bogdanovitch's house, Paul
Snyder did and killed her and then killed himself.

Speaker 1 (01:56:27):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
And uh yeah, And so there's a TV movie called
Death of a Centerfold the Dorothy Stratton story and the
Killing of a Unicorn, which is about Dorothy's killing that
was written by Peter Bogdanovitch. So he's also kind of
a piece of shit. Jesus. Yeah. And the song by

(01:56:49):
Brian Adams, the Best Was Yet to Come is about her.
Oh my god, I didn't know. But I have to
stress I don't think this episode's about her at all.
It's just that her boyfriend is her manager and he's abusive.
I am so sorry to the person that put this
trivia up, but that is not unique to Dorothy Stratton,

(01:57:10):
so sorry to basically everyone in the world. So yeah,
I don't actually think that that is correct, but yeah,
Dorothy Stratton Crazy. There's a couple of really good episodes
of You Must Remember This about Dorothy Stratton. One in
the Dead Blondes series and Crazy right and from User

(01:57:30):
Review Corner. So a couple things. This is from El
Bowdles from September twenty fourth, twenty nineteen. Nine out of
ten stars. Return of Munch always a bonus, sure right,
this episode had has the great talent Griffin Dune is

(01:57:51):
always brilliant as us as us Fisher Stevens, and he
was also in SVU season thirteen Theater Tricks. I'm surprised
it's not in the trivia. But the best part is
always Richard Belzer as Munch makes a return. I so
miss him. That's enough of a reason to check this
episode out. But it's also another great and riveting story,

(01:58:15):
is it. Yes, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Well, we did a pretty good job of pointing out
how none of it makes any sense.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
None of it makes any fucking sense. And from the
same side of the aisle this is from Were San Diego?
W Ere San Diego from August twenty fifth, twenty twenty two.
Thank you, John Munch. Ten out of ten stars. I
just wanted to say, if you're a huge Munch fan,

(01:58:43):
this will be the episode you must watch. Near the ending.
It definitely had me in tears. So far, I've finished
sixteen seasons so far, and I will say Munch was
my favorite character. Richard Belzer, you are the best ten
star star emoji.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
I mean love John Bunch. Yeah, love Belzer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:03):
And this is a big episode for people putting trivia.
Not in the trivia section because I'll read one more
from Brian Cooper Cooper and Meth. Wait, that's not right,
Brian Scoop Nemeth must be, must be Brian Scoop nemth
because it's not Brian's Coop and Meth.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Let's hope at least.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
From April to so from April twelfth, twenty twenty four,
ten out of ten stars. Again, this wasn't the first
time Hargata worked with Stevens. Marshka Hargata and Fisher Stevens
reunited on an episode of Law and Order Special Victims Unit.
This reunion happened twenty three years after working together on
the short lived show on Fox called Key West. Fisher

(01:59:49):
Stevens played Seamus O'Neill, a Hemingway wannabe who won the
lottery and moved to Key West for writing inspiration. In
one of the episodes called Less Moonlight, Harge played Laurel,
a woman who surprises Seamus and seduces him in the
middle of the night. Ah oh, Okay, there's a whole

(02:00:10):
section for you to put that in. It's called the
trivia section. But cool this is that's a cool piece.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
That's actually a fun piece of trivia.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Yeah, yeah, just wrong place. Ten stars. Thanks for Brian,
Brian's Brian's coop and meth I hope that's not your name.
And that's our episode for this week. Law and Order
SVU Season seventeen, Episode twenty entitled Fashionable Crimes.

Speaker 1 (02:00:35):
Okay, now, before we get into the outro here, this
is hot off the ticker and we must get an
We did get an email from listener Sophia here and
it's titled the Nuclear Option. And Sophia writes, Matt Deviv
long time no listen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
A rare the longtime no listen man, Fuck you, Sophia.

Speaker 1 (02:00:55):
Long time no listen. I started my backlog Monday and
then went back yesterday and y'all were not there. Did
y'all really just straight up hit de leite? Hope everything's okay?

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
So yes to this episode where now we're no longer
on Spotify. Uh, do you want to email? I did?

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
I replied, I replied and told her yes.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
That we've been removed from Spotify.

Speaker 1 (02:01:16):
So you can get us anywhere that fine podcast was
sold except for Spotify.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
Spotify, because fuck Spotify. Wear a fine podcast and give
us a rate and review where a fine podcast is sold,
and tune in next week when we view. I had
literally had to do your part of the thing in
your head to know what I said. Next week. Uh,
and tune in next week when we view and review.
And Levingly ridicule a Law and Order SVU Season seventeen,

(02:01:42):
episode twenty one, entitled Assaulting Reality.

Speaker 1 (02:01:46):
Oh, for fuck's sake.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
So hold on to something, Matt Yeah. During a live
broadcast a dating reality show, contestant claims that she was
raped by another contestant. SPU investigates, but soon learns that
the show's producers are more interested in creating a successful
storyline than actual justice. You don't say, and uh, it's

(02:02:12):
a it's a bachelor type show. It appears to be
called Heart's Desire and the logo is like an apple
that's also a heart. So I guess I wonder instead
of rose if instead of roses they give people apples.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
I think that's probably a safe bet.

Speaker 2 (02:02:27):
Yep, And joining us next week, Captain ed Tucker is
back great and uh, and playing producer Lizzie Bauer is
Larissa o'lainik, does that name? Alex Mack Alex Mack baby,
and uh, Bianca Stratford from Ten Things I Hate About You,

(02:02:49):
a movie I on ironically love.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
I love that movie too.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Yeah, it's a good movie. And uh yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1 (02:02:56):
There, we'll go to the high school where they did
all that.

Speaker 2 (02:02:58):
Oh that sounds great. And also Bert from Tremors. Wait, uh,
Michael Gross, that's not Bert. Yeah, Bert Gummer from Trevor's.

Speaker 1 (02:03:08):
Well, he was also in a previous episode.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
He was. Yes, he's also the dad from Family Ties, gotcha?

Speaker 1 (02:03:15):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Yeah, yeah, yeah he he definitely was in a previous episode.
So we do have a respawn, Yes, I think with
this many episodes, I don't know if you can get
by doing a respawn because we're just out of actors.
And so, as always four Laws, fuck Spotify, four Law

(02:03:35):
and order a special for you union. I'm a viv
Rubinstein and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:38):
I bet Reuter. We will see you guys next week,
unless you're on Spotify

Speaker 2 (02:03:42):
And then we'll see you never

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