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What exactly is the jurisdiction of a corrections officer? How many locations can a restaurant have before you stope eating there? And who will come visit Aviv in Kosovo? 

This week Matt and Aviv take on Season 17 Episode 22: Instersecting Lives, and BOY do these lives intersect. 

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Oh, listeners, and welcome back to another episode of Low
and Or in a special view of Unit, the show
where weave you review and love and me Ridicula, Everyone's
favorite cop drama Law and Or a special victims Unit
every episode in a row from the beginning. So you do, Ola,
I am your host, Matt Reuter joining me as always
the the the partner who insisted that we take the

(00:26):
girls to Disney World. So that's why I have to
go out and rape all these women for overtime.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, so it's the it's fault, it's your fault.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
What that's a verb side over there? How are you
doing tonight of Eve?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
You're just a broke black crack core who's gonna believe you?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Yes, I am a broke black crack corps one of it, sir,
And yes and go on. And you are the your brother,
Raymond's popular fucking brother. So ha.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I didn't look this up, but I need you to
help me. Remember he's also a cop in Raymond.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Right. I've never seen a single episode of a Yeah
that's a show like that went for what like thirty seasons,
and apparently everyone loved Raymond except me. I didn't just
like Raymond. I just was unaware of him.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, Robert is a police officer with the NYPD. In
Everybody Loves Raymond added to the big board Tommy Westwall Universe.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, because look at it this way, he was that
before or after like he flamed out and then got
like kicked down to Department of Corrections instead.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
This is what I'm saying. I think that I think
that this is his downward trajectory because Raymond goes off
the air in two thousand and Jesus Fucking Christ. Brad
Garrett's a lot of stuff good. Yeah, yeah, he's he's
very strong in this in two thousand and five. So

(02:05):
it's a quick ten year descent descent into raping.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Well, these women, they make a point numerous times to
be like he's been on the job for seventeen years,
so has he been a rapist for all seventeen of
these years? Or I mean, like potentially evolve into that,
because really Rikers Island seems like it's like escape from
New York.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
They they talk about it like that, they're like the
inmates have taken control of Rikers Island and there's no
justice there. Barbie even says it's like Lord of the flies.
I'm like, maybe maybe you should look into that.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, if you're describing one of your prisons as like, well,
the the the inmates basically run the place, it's like, well,
that's really a problem if you're running a you do
know that's how not how the jail is supposed to work, right,
But they all just shrug, They're like, yeah, whatever, but
so but in my decorated corrections, officers risk their lives

(03:08):
every day. It's like, the most that we've heard them
say is like they've been spit on and beat up.
And I'm not saying that it's not a dangerous Jeff,
but like they're making it sound like they're fucking dodging
bullets around every quarter.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
And yet like some guy who if you like if
you if you at the end of the episo where
it's like jumping around like crazy, but at the end
of the episode, this guy approaches Barbara and if you
like completely disembodied that scene from the rest of the episode,
I'd be like, oh, that's the leader of like MS

(03:37):
thirteen or something like, like very clearly a well, it
really what Republicans would call a gang banger.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
It really it seems as though if I am to
believe and understand the context, he's like, oh, we know
a lot about you and such. So it's like was
he is he? Is he an inmate that they just
like let out for the afternoon to threaten Barba.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
And to get back to the corrections officer?

Speaker 1 (04:02):
But all the other corrections officers that they have there
are like uniforms, are all in uniform.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, I know this this guy, or he's like
some some hired assassin or something.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Or is he like is he a gang member that
is coordinating with the gangs on the antet? But why
would the gang members be looking out for the corrections officers?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Great question because it's all one big gang or like
several gangs that sometimes do business together. And also.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's like the mafia. Like again, it's like the fucking
mafia in this like any time the cops are dealing
with any of the other like cops or cops adjacent people.
It really is like a China town.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
It is like a China town forget its rikers. So
I also this is a trope that happens in like
several pieces of media that I I have consumed in
my life, which is like, oh, you're threatening me, Well,
fuck you, I'm gonna give you my home address.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
But the best part about that, and again, we'll get
to it when we get I mean, it's just.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
The very end of the episode.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I just but it's the fact that like, after like
that happens, Like, hey, Barbie, you'll care He's like, absolutely not.
So we're just threatened to kill me, He's like, which
leads me to.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Believe he took all of my strength to do that.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That guy, Yeah, he was really like I had no
idea what I was doing right there. I was just
reacting and I was like acting tough. And now I immediately
regret that decision. I have to move. Now, my family
has to I can no longer live with that address. Live.
You don't understand, I didn't know what I was doing.
It was a bluff, Live, It was a bluff. I
have nothing here.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
I fucked up.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
I fucked up lift.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
And so this is the second to last episode of
season seventeen, and we also know that it's Mike Dodds's
last week before transfer before he gets like a great
jobs somewhere else. I'm what's gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, something tells me he is about to get fucking
murdered by a doc officer.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
I wonder, you know, and I I do want to
point out because this.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Is ultimately copaganda at the end of the day, we
haven't really done a great job of highlighting that in
a lot of recent episodes, I guess necessarily. But this
is hilarious to me because it's like, the way they
talk about the correction officer is.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
The way the cops actually talk well, right, it's.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Like but for me, it's like, no, no, no, because
the police union is the one that like no one
ever wants to go up against because it's so powerful
and such. But it's so funny that in this universe
it's like, no, no, no, it's not the police union
that is inherently cor If you think we're bad, look
at them.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
And and look no further than every time someone talks
about like defining the police, or or even like kind
of uheling them in in any way, the reaction is like, well,
next time you need a cop, like you won't, we
won't protect you. And I was like, no, it's kind
of your job to do that, but it also kind

(07:02):
of isn't. So whatever it thought, your your threats do
nothing to me. But that's exactly what they say in
the in the the scene where Barbara's leaving the court
and is like and all of the corrections officers are like,
next time you need a prisoner to testify, you go
fuck yourself, Barbara, Like what what.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Does that mean? What does that mean? But that either
you are just not going to produce them that you
will you go to them, You're gonna murder them, or
you're gonna arrange for them to be murdered, because again,
you're the.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Decision, right.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's I wish I had some sort of a group
where it's just like do your job. It's like no,
It's like, well, okay, fine, please, okay, continue to receive
your paycheck. It benefits then, like right, like that's not
a thing. Hey, and hey, kids, try that at your
job and see what fucking.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Happens asterisk unless you have a government job. Even then
even then, So, yeah, how are you this week? Man? Uh?
Doing good?

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Of Eve? So this speaking of intersecting lives, So yesterday
was a banner day, but yet a disappointment one here
in Seattle because it marked the grand opening of and
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
It's for for you of Eve eggs Slutt. Oh you
got an egg slut?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yes, egg Slutt opened. Uh, it's Seattle location yesterday, so
Cassie and I went down there.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
It's mediocre.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
I think I ordered whenever I went to the one
in l A.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think I just liked what I ordered better. Yeah,
this is still really really good. No I ordered. I
think it was the Fairfax.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yes, the Fairfax is the is the move for sure?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
And then there's a thing that is bad there that
is the Yeah, it is the slot, the thing in
the jar. I do not care for it.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
It gets a texture thing, I'm guessing for you. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
And and the when I had it, the mashed potatoes
were cold, and that wasn't great for me.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
Well, yeah, that's not that's not a great situation to be.
But I I went and I got the like a
just a regular sausage egg and cheese, and I didn't
realize that it was And I like having like a
fried egg or an over medium egg on things with
the yoke, but I was expecting scrambled. I wasn't paying
that close. You had a little grenade. So I got
something that I didn't realize And Cassie got I think

(09:28):
a bacon, egg and Cheesehen she added the avocado, but
she didn't really put They put ketchup on it and
like ketchup an avocado for her.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Yeah, like so many locations now I know there's a
ton of London. Yeah, Kyoto. Yeah, I would never get
an egg slot in Kyoto. There's a ton in London. Yes,
I so egg Slot for for those of you who

(09:54):
are unrefined, was a very very very popular egg slut
eggs specifically. Yes, it's like an egg sandwich restaurant and
like like both. Yes, it started as a food truck
and then it's first like brick and mortar, was at
the Grand Central Market, which is like the the La

(10:17):
equivalent of like writing Terminal market or you know, a
bunch of different like food stalls in a big yes,
which I went to at you and oh yeah yeah.
It was right very close to where we got married,
and that's a cool place. And when Eggs Lutt opened,
there was like a line three blocks long. And then
they opened one in Glendale.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
And the line went down.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
The line went down. Yeah, and so now they have
like a dozen locations. And it's interesting because I just
had a similar experience trying to get Ramen. So there
was a place, uh is, a place very close to
me called silver Lake Ramen that when I moved to
La it was like the fucking Romen spot. Everyone, Oh

(10:55):
my god, you gotta try silver Lake Ramen.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
And then uh Robin Place opened and it became the
better Romen place to go to.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Well kind of yeah, but but so we were gonna
get romin the other day. This is like my big
story of the week. We're gonna get rom the other day.
And I like looked up silver Lake Ramen. It's like
which location. I'm like, what do you mean? Which location?
And now there are no joke.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
For dramatic effect, the silence.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Forty locations Jesus Christ. I know in the last like
maybe three years they opened forty locations.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
That that's too many. I gotta feel like the quality
can't be There's what I'm saying, spanning that fast.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
So it's California and vat of Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Washington,
and Arizona. And they're all called silver Lake Ramen because
the first one was just in silver Lake.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Is there what in Seattle? I think so?

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, I think so. It's like I find that.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Interesting because a lot of I mean the just a
real estate being expensive in.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Seattle, Soartland, Yeah, Washington, it's it's it's a burb of
uh yeaheah, totally, that's.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Where I believe that's the birthplace of Costco.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Costco Yeah, yeah, I love love getting Costco Ramen.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
Well sure, uh no, but because like all their brand
is Kirkland brand, They're like.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Oh yeah, kirk Washington. Yeah, but yeah, I I feel
the same. That's exactly how I felt, which is like,
oh my god, they have forty locations now and I
didn't even It wasn't even like a oh they've gone
corporate and fuck them. It's like how good could your
ship still be when you're doing like Cajun ramen and

(12:33):
like you're like at like adding funky things and forty
locations and I'm like, maybe I'll maybe I'll try something
with with one location.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
But that's how I'm I'm doing a viv How are
you doing? I'm doing?

Speaker 2 (12:47):
I might be going to Kosovo now. You said to
me this earlier, just you didn't ask questions, which I like,
I didn't fight, and I was like I'm gonna just
you know it. It was a response of I you know,
I don't know, and you're either gonna tell me or
you're not.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
But I'm choosing these days to just ask a few
questions as possible.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
So my friend Arbor, who is from Albania, okay, is
an actor and an acting teacher. He's a bald Albanian man.
So anytime there's ever been like from Tropoia, I don't
know where he's from, I can ask him.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
That was a taken joke, but okay.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Oh I don't remember taking that. Well, oh okay, But
he is an actor. So anytime you've seen like a bald,
vaguely Eastern European guy, that's not no ho hank, that's
probably Arbor in a thing. He's like been a bad
guy in all of these like CSI and FBI shows.

(13:53):
Ah okay, yeah, And so he I met him through
the school that we both us a team. He doesn't
teach there anymore, and he splits his time between here
and Albania. And I just haven't seen him in like
a couple of years, and just ran into him while
I was walking my dog this morning, and he's like,

(14:13):
how have you been? I just got back from Albania.
And I was like, cool, why did you come back?
And he's like, I don't know. I'm starting I'm trying
to start a school there with a grant from the government.
And it's great that I ran into you, because do
you want to come teach at this school for like
do like a workshop? You and Leanne and I was like,

(14:35):
nice to see you too, arbor yup, and so we
like talked about us going to Kosovo for a little while.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Interesting, what's the what's the time difference there? Yeah, I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I think it would only be for a couple of months,
and I think that we're like a year or two
away from this is my guess.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I got j I was gonna say, hey, if we
figured out how to do this while you were in.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Fucking Cambodia, Yeah, yeah, basically be the same thing, which
is why I was like kind of thinking we could
be uniquely suited for this. It is like he wants
to start a school, an acting school that also is
like a cultural kind of melting pot because there's Serbs

(15:19):
and Albanians and people from Kostvo and Romany and all
these other different ethnic groups that have uh really ingrained
cultural judgments about each other, and so he wants to
use acting and filmmaking, so he wants you to.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So you're gonna be the dangerous You're gonna dangerous minds.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
There, dangerous minds people in coast of a God.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
It okay, So you gotta come. Be sure to turn
the chair.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
Leather duster, which is weird because most people that's how
most people in Albania address I assume that interract suits.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Well in that case, then full on banana costume. Yeah, yeah,
you gotta go with the complete opposite direction.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Butter jelly time.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, you gotta do that, and then you gotta start
rapping and then realize that's poetry.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Oh yeah, yeah, Bob Dylan and Dylan Thomas are just
like rap and I just do the whole thing, the
whole Michelle Pfeiffer thing from Dangerous Minds precisely.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Then you go to a theme park.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Is that what happens in that movie?

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, it's some point.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Time they go to a theme park. Yeah, and Mark
Wahlberg fingers or he Witherspoon on the ferris wheel.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
That's where they's speaking of intersecting lives. That's where the
movie gets really interesting.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
You just see the Ferris Wheel in the background with
Mark Wahlberg's there.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
And Michelle Fifer's like, oh bet Sow's getting figurbag into that. Anyway,
Come along class.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Come along kids. But Arbor was doing the hard cell.
He's like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be great. Well, you'll
do teach a couple of months, blah blah blah. By
the way, sometimes from my home in Albania, we just
drive to Greece for dinner. And I was like, Okay,
so he's that close to I guess he's he says,
four hours, so it's I think it's more like a

(17:05):
day trip.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
But yeah, just pop it over, like let's go get
some you know, tazeki or some ship.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah right, some spanacopada. Yeah. But so I think that
this is a bit obviously very early stages and Arbors
like that that friend that you see that's always like,
let's work together, let's make a movie, let's do a thing,
let's go to the Alps. Like he's just like a
big ideas guy. Sure, I also want to stress.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
How we see it bringing these plans to ground.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
You know, not not amazing, but I'm in for the
ride on this one. Sure, And the I will also
say this, this might be culturally insensitive. However, the thing
that I know that I that that that strikes me
the most about Arbor every time I see him is

(17:55):
how good he smells. He always smells of like cologne,
which I think is like it's always just like drenched
in cologe.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Oh see, ever i've I'm ever leaving the house, I
always put a little sprits to Clona.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh no, no, Arbor. First of all, Arbor more than
a sprits. Second, Oh well that's nice. But I saw
I was like working out with the dog, and I
saw him in like workout clothes and he was like
sweaty coming and.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
You're like, oh, he's gonna smell like a guy that
just came from the gym.

Speaker 2 (18:25):
Nope, yeah, I hugged him amazing.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Do you want I wonder do you think he sweats?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
That's that's just his We've talked about his cologne usage
before and how he like has different uh sense for
different scenarios and stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Is it like coloone or did he like make you
see like a make your own cut of guy, Like
I have all of these essential oils at home, But.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I would be the kind of guy that makes his
own cologne. I'm not certain, and I we do have
the relationship where I could just ask him, text him
out of the blue and be like, do you make
your own clude?

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I'm just picturing this guy now in like a like
tonight we make soap type situation where he's just got
fats shot, where he's like, here we go, all right.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I got the he had a like a cooking Instagram
for a while. He's like a he's like a he
likes making stuff, which I really admire about him. He's
he's a really cool, interesting dude, has a ton of
fun stories about growing up in fucking Albanian Serbia, and
uh yeah, said he's a good dude. So maybe I'll
go to Kosovo, which I just learned after googling it

(19:28):
is its own is a its own country, Yes, the
Republic of Kosovo. Yes, I thought it was still in
I know that it was the it was the uh
the disputed territory in the in the war that they
had in the nineties. Yeah, I didn't realize that it
became its own country, So that fuck me.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah. So hey, good, so you've got your you've got
your out strategy for how to get the fuck out
of the country.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Love that. Yeah, yeah, well he's He brought this up
because I was like, you know, maybe we're going to
go to Ireland. And while it was like, oh it's
you could just pop up on over to Coastovo teach
at By School, and I was like, you got it, buddy, Yeah,
we'll just hop hop in the car. Oh wait, oh
wait to hold your breath up.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
Yeah, so that's how I'm doing. And uh oh oh quick.
Rubinstein recommends You're gonna roll your eyes at me on
this one. I'm sure. Oh boy, I absolutely loathe to
say this.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
I think I know where you're going before you even
say the thing, but go ahead. Oh.

Speaker 2 (20:26):
Rubinstein recommends the paper the new Office spinoff.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
No, that was not where I thought you were going
to go with it.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Unfortunately, it is very good.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
See I'm not a huge office fan.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
This is a little bit more parks and wreck than
it is the office. It's like, way less mean than
the office was. I don't know. If you were a
parks and rec person, I was, yeah, I would, I
would give it a shot. The deal is that, you know,
the paper company was bought by a conglomerate and the

(21:00):
conglomerate also owns a small newspaper in Toledo and the
Tilo Truth Taylor. And there's like a new editor in
chief of the Toiledo Truth Taylor and he is the Leslie. No,
he like believes in journalism still and they aren't really
like pretending the journalism is still a thing, like he
he it happened. It takes place in twenty twenty five

(21:20):
in America, and he's just like.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
And that's the reason why I'm like, I don't know
if I'm going to enjoy.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah that, but he he like wants to, you know,
bring back local journalism. And it's it's a fun and
it's fun. The the Italian lady from the second season
of White lotuses in it, and in the commercial it
seemed like she would be a real clunker and she's
very funny. Hmm.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I mean, I'll probably I'll give it a shot.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's ten episodes, yeah ish, yeah, yeah. I was surprised
at how much I liked it because.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Oh wait, did did he got dump them all out?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
All?

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I want?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Oh see?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I like that, I see whenever we again, whenever all
these streamers started going back to the week by week
shit and it's like you're just turning into television. There's
the reason I got away from the fucking you sons bitches.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yeah, yeah, but it's it's good. The cast is good.
And they brought back one of the cast members from
the office and I was like.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
Yeah, I've seen that all over the place when they've
been promoting it.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Another thing that I thought was going to be a
clanker and isn't. Like he's very funny.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Wait, isn't he the one that he's gay and he
ends ubsuing Yes, is it Michael Scott specifically or of
the company.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
It is both, because Michael Scott kisses him at a
staff meeting to show how non homophobic he.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Is, right, and then is it is it? Do we
ever get a disclosed amount of money that he wins?

Speaker 2 (22:45):
I don't. I don't remember. But it's funny because he
so in the trailer. This is like the smallest spoiler ever.
But in the trailer you see them like go to
Oscar and Oscar sees the camera, Curon is like, oh no,
not again, and like runs the the That is not
the punchline, that's the setup because he's like, I'm not
going to sign a waiver. I'm I don't. I'm like, no,

(23:10):
no way that you're allowed to use this. I do
not agree with this, and then it just cuts to
a black screen and the text is like there was
no end date to the waiver that Oscar Nunyas signed
in two thousand and five.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
Oh my god, that's really funny.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
And then at the end of the first episode, he's
just like, I'm gonna I'm just gonna say things that
you can't use cock co fuck a member. A man
washing his member in the park, balls washing balls with
a with a burlap sack and his members out and
he just keeps saying member and the dude behind him,
the like the like background dude behind him is trying

(23:45):
so hard not to break. It's funny. I'm like, I'm
like surprised at how much mileage it still has in it.
I mean, I a man with his dirty member again, I.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Just I will I God, we live in fucking health
right now. It's just can we have new ideas? Though?
What if we came up with new ideas? Not like
it's not at all, it's it's a new ish idea,
it's new adjacent.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
That's been the best criticism that I've seen of this
show is like, it is a cool, interesting, fresh ish
show that did not have to be a spinoff of
the Office. But the fact that it is a spinoff
of the Office is probably the only reason I got made,
which is like shitty, but at least they're like doing
a good job.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Of it, right. It's such chicken shit though, Like it's
someone was extremely smart because they understood if I go
in there with an idea for just this show, I'm
getting I'm getting laughed out of the fucking room. If
I go in there and say, and then we bring
in someone from the Office, and it's a spin off
of that, and so therefore you own the rights already
and you can get further. It's like, oh, boy, that

(24:56):
means we can.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Get given Merchant does not need any more money.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Boy, that means you know, if if this goes three
or four seasons, that at some point in time, Dwight's
gonna swing by or some shit like that.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
You know, I don't think unless.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Did they kill Dwight trut at the end of the Office,
did they kill everyone in the office. He died in
a boating accident, But you know, someone in some fucking
boardroom is saying that exact fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I think. I think you might be right, but I
the vibe that I get is that they are trying
to get this to take off on its own so
that they don't have to do those crossovers.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
But they literally when they were doing the rollout for this,
I saw like on IMD was probably from Variety, the
Hollywood Report or something like that. We was talking about
how Steve Carell and John Krasinski like swung by the
set to wish to wish some good luck and said,
hey to, That's what I'm saying. It's like it'll never
be out of the shadow there, like they're they are.

(25:57):
They're building this in because everything has to be connected
to everything, because we haven't broken the fever yet of
of the marvelness of everything. Then everything has to be interconnected.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I do think it's getting better. Question Mark, it's getting well.
Does not like does not like it. He said the
paper is the methodone version of the office cool wrong
step of Sepinwall Wrong that.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Is, that's a far more clever insult than it has
any right.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Right right, speaking of the death of journalism, Thanks Alan Sepinwall.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Bright, the I the irony cannot be overstated in all
of that. All right, well now that we've should all
but none that we've talked about every everything, it's every
other piece. Yeah, we've talked about how capitalism is destroying everything. Uh,
on to more less capital We don't have any gamel today,
but apparently we have one.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Blue blue sky one blee in a in a segment
late to call I just blew myself. It's actually not
even that. It's an Instagram Uh listener, Sarah Prime, Uh,
play play the sound effect anyway.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
I'm afraid I just blew myself.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
It's got to be a better way to say that. Listener,
Sarah Prime.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Do we have an Instagram sound effect?

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Now? H fuck Instagram? What's it? What's should be Instagram pun?

Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's it's this Well, I don't think there's a pun.
I just think the sound effect, because it's it's owned
by Facebook, should just be the sound of it. Whenever
you put a fork in the fucking garbage.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Disposal, let's do the fork in the garbage disposal, ding
ding ding ding ding.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Or if you have fucking gravel that you can put
in a blender, that would be a good one too.
I accidentally uh something, glass down the garbage in there,
that and then getting it out.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Certainly, just get a new house.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Certainly cut my finger a few times, which felt terrible.
But but yeah, yes, what is what is the the
the igs?

Speaker 2 (28:04):
It's a it's it's not even a it's a it's
a teaser.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Sarah Prime Wrights hopefully finishing up my Google slides for
y'all tonight. Remember she was making that PowerPoint for us?

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, we.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Never got but she said you last yesterday. She said
it finishing up tonight.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
So send it to the camail. Send it to the camail, Yes,
send it, send it to us, or can you put it?
Can you put a slide deck on fucking Instagram?

Speaker 2 (28:28):
I don't think so, probably not. And that's all the
bail back.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I got. This is what happens, guys when we when
we have a compressed recording schedule. Yeah with because you
know we like going on trips and vacations and such. Well,
now that that shit's out of the way, on to
the main event where we're gonna be viewing it. Reviewing
Season seventeen, episode twenty two, the penultimate episode of this season.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
We missed, uh, the MC mister Napkins reference last episode
of the anti penultimate episode. Yes, this is the penultimate episode,
Intersecting Lives, and we're.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Gonna be viewing and reviewing that right after this. Dad,
we're back, boy, And as we said before the break,
we're gonna be viewing and reviewing season seventeen, episode twenty
two of SVU, entitled Intersecting Lives. Its reminded to listeners
all the episodes are available to watch on Hulu and
peacug for now with the Hulu because it's still round,
even though it's not going to be.

Speaker 2 (29:23):
So you know, I feel like you're the aggressor now,
I absolutely am. I didn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
For now, if everyone must know, for posterity purposes, if
you're listening to this, no, if you're listening to this
next year, it's like there's no Hulu in it. He's like,
guess what, that's whole if there was at the time.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
No one's going to be able to listen next year
because we'll be removed from all the platforms, that's true.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
So we are just shouting into the void. So you
know what, watch it wherever the fuck you want to
watch it. But you know, it make more sense. This
is actually this is a decent.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Ninth episode episode yeah, episode yeah, so watch it.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
But before we get into breaking down the episode, in
the grandest tradition that we have on this podcast, you're
gonna hit us with a ninety second recap of what
happened to this week's episode. So, of Eve, we're gonna
put ninety seconds on the clock. Why didn't you tell
us what the fuck happened to this week's episode of.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Sv You okay, you guys cares. He gets his bar
results and I'm surprised he can read them. Dodds is
leaving because he did take the job with the Joint
Terrorism Task Force. Let's see how that works out for him.
And we have a special guest star Brad Garrett as
Gary Munson, and he is a corrections officer, which is

(30:28):
an analog in an avatar for just like a normal cop,
like a cop in today's world, because he leaves his
wife and kids at home to go work overtime, and
by work overtime, I mean rape a woman. And it
turns out that this woman's parole office, not parole officer

(30:49):
like halfway house kind of guy. Is Ken Randall Finn's son.
And so after Ken Randall tells Finn that he and
his husband Alejandro are starting a family, and Finn is like,
how does that work? He gets a call from this woman, Charisse,
and she explains that she has been raped by her

(31:12):
corrections officer, and everyone's like, what a lucky break that
she happens to know the son of a cop. And
so Gary Munson has done done seventeen years at Rikers.
He's worked at Rikers for seventeen years, and he and
Charisse has been arrested for twelve misdemeanors. But we can't

(31:37):
investigate prison and what's going on in prison because it's
like Lord of the Flies. So instead they're like, well,
what if Sariska gave the mo of Gary Munson, which
is like he takes her into the chapel and rapes
her in the chapel because there's no cameras there, So
what if they pretend they're doing a different investigation about
sex trafficking just so they can get access to all

(31:58):
the cameras in Rikers and to also interview all the CEOs.
And it seems like Gary is doing this to not
just Charisse, but three other women Latania, Zahara, and Cci
draw your own conclusions about what all these women have
in common. And then Charise has been arrested again because
Gary's on a total moron and he's basically like onto her.

(32:19):
He knows, like literally and figuratively, he knows that there's
something going on, especially when Charise gets remanded no what's
the other thing? Gets let out on bail and so
she gets roared, and Charise tries to meet up with
Gary and be like, hey, can I suck your dick

(32:39):
for fun? And Gary's like you're wearing a wire, aren't you,
And She's like no, I just want you to help
my boyfriend. I'm like you, mother, you fucking idiots. Didn't
think to get her boyfriend out too, you absolute morons.
So Gary's arrested and then we really get into the
avatar of like the way that police act in this

(33:00):
country are the way that the corrections officers act in
this universe where the Union rep is like, good luck
meeting a person to help you in prison or something,
And next time you call someone to call someone at
the Department of Corrections to help you because you got robbed,

(33:22):
Like I don't understand, but his attorney's name is Bill
Duke may he Rest. I. Nope, his attorney's played by
Bill Duke may he Rest. And Gary's wife certainly does
not believe anything that the cops are saying because she's
married to a cop, so she knows not to trust them,
and Olivia is like, you should get tested for STDs,
and turns out that when she gets put on the

(33:44):
stand at the grand jury, the wife is like kind
of covering for him. She's like, Gary, Gary works till
ten pm every Sunday And Barbara's like, so what about
the time cards where he clocks out at six? And
she's like, well, you know, my son was sick. And
he's like, has your son been sick every Sunday for
the last six weeks? And she's like yes. And so

(34:09):
we end on a bit of a cliffhanger where they
are gonna definitely indict this guy, Gary, Barba says. So
then Barba gets like basically swatted by the entire Department
of Corrections, including one dude who's just like, hey, what
if I just fucking kill you here right in front
of these people? And Barba's like, why don't you take

(34:31):
my home address? And he's like, thanks, I guess, and
so Barba asks for an order of protection immediately and
h and that's our dick Wolf. He says, this is
just the beginning, and so yeah, I think it's a
pretty uh I think Brad Garrett is great and pretty uh,
pretty engaging episode. The last time we had a two

(34:52):
parter episode like that to be continued episode like this,
the first part was very good and the second part
was very terrible. So I'm just assuming that that's what's
gonna happen week.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
As well, right, because that was earlier with the with
the priests.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Yes, with the priests. Yeah, it's so they think so
many lives intersecting the The.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
Writers I think put themselves in a bit of a
corner here, I think because they're like, well, how what
do we what are we gonna do? Whenever they're on
the outside, it's like, wouldn't it make more sense whatever?
Like who's on the outside, the Sharis, like the victims. Ultimately,
because they're in and out of prison, it's like it's like, oh,
a corrections officer, I'm gonna bust you from that. It's like,

(35:33):
I don't think it just works that way. I don't
think if your corrections officer. It's like, you can just
start enforcing laws outside of the prison.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
And we've done enough of like, oh, the parole officer
is abusing, So we did that with Cares's brother in law, Ricking, right, So.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
It's like it doesn't make a lot of sense. It's like, oh,
the corrections officer is gonna do It's like but it's
like he's not a corrections officer outside on the street.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Yeah, Like we talk a lot about jurisdic in here
and how SV doesn't have jurisdiction and Rikers. Do you
know who doesn't have jurisdiction anywhere outside of Rikers?

Speaker 1 (36:06):
All the corrections officers but apparently you know where. It's
just like, I guess the writers are just like you fuckingybe.
It's not going to think too much about this. It
doesn't matter. They're all just cops.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Yeah, they're all just cops. And so it seems as
though at least in California, corrections officers are in their
own union, not the police union. But like, are they cops?
Corrections officers? This is from Indeed, So I'm gonna get

(36:39):
some interesting emails after this. Okay, so corrections officer is
a law enforcement agent who's in charge of individuals who've
been arrested.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, not just walking down the fucking street.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Though they both work to enforce the law, but their
responsibilities are very different. Police officers must respond under crime.
Corrections officers work primarily to prevent crime incorrect being in
a control of for So, it seems as though, like
I'm wondering if like you have to go to the
police academy to be a corrections officer or if you

(37:11):
just sort of walk in off the street, because I
assumed you just sort of walked in off the street.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Uh maybe for like a private prison question mark, since
that's the thing in society. Boy, isn't that something?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Yeah, So it turns out this is the This is
from an Arizona law enforcement person. Every prison in jail,
every prison, jail, and police agency has its own hiring
and training standards, and every state has its own training
certification standards. So most states have similar training standards between

(37:55):
corrections officers and police officers, but not there's no state
that has the exact same standards.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
But I mean that's we're talking like hiring practices, hiring
and training. I'm talking about Like what Brad garrett Us
at the beginning of this, which is like, hey, we
should walk into the monstrility, I'll bust she. He's like,
I'll bust you for fucking And I guess it's supposed
to be like he knows he's hooked up with law
enforcement because.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
That's how they get her, like swatted, and his father
in law is like an inspector general or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Deputy inspector, which what the fuck does that even mean?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Fuck that sounds sounds like a British thing. But the
so in my ignorance, I kind of just assumed that,
you know how like bank security guards where vaguely police
esque uniforms and have it done, but they're not actual
police officers, correct And you can just kind of sort
of walk in and ask for that job and they

(38:46):
might give it to you. That's sort of how I
felt corrections officers were were they like they weren't real cops.
They just sort of like wore cop adjacent uniforms, which is.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Most security guards set. They just everyone's just wearing attack
fest Yeah, and a target. That That's was my.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
That was my sense, But I think that might be wrong.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
Yeah, No, I assume again, I assume they were they
were considered law enforcement of some variety. It's again just
the fact that these people are roving the streets just
like arresting people. It's like, well, I me guess Garrett
doesn't He instead rapes the woman, not arrests her. But
still like they talk so much like oh that po
he's gonna or he's the CEO. Rather he's gonna do

(39:32):
X Y and Z one. I'm on the outside, I'm.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Like, again, you can't really do that.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
You well, I mean, if no one stops you, I guess,
But like they need to do a much better job
of like this guy's also hooked up, like it's they
do kind of a job of like oh, it's all
like a brotherhood. They certainly make it very apparent that
like you don't want to fuck with this union m M,
the same way that you don't want to fuck with
the police union type situation. So it's like, okay, I
get it in that regard, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm just so so confused by like what people's authority
same thing as you're saying, right, what people's like authority
levels are. And so I wound up on Reddit mistake
and it's on a subreddit called Protect and Serve Double Mistake,
and well check this out. We're gonna get your finger
on the bleep button. And so the question is our

(40:22):
corrections correctional officers cops and the number one comment by
deleted is no, we're fucking right below it. I'm a
CEO and I am also And then what Jack the
ripster rights do not have sex with inmates? In all caps?
And then someone below that rights the DCO is here.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Okay, all right, well insightful.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
I guess what powers of arrest do some correctional officers have.
I'm assume it's not as broad as b cops. Depends
on the state, and usually revolve around their failing falling
under the term peace officers. So some are sworn deputies
and some are not. And I think one of the

(41:11):
one of the distinctions is that he on his lapel
he says he's got a pin that says DC and
not COO or something. I don't know. I'm over it.
I regret doing this.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
I regret asking the question now as well. It was
simply when I thought was just like, that's a continuity.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
Really really suffusing to me. Yeah, yeah, I desperately wanted
to know, and now I kind of know.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
For the purposes of this show that they use them
basically interchangeably correct.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
They're all cops, and I think that that's more thematic
than it is actual.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
For sure. I agreed, agreed, So.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
We open on Careesy getting his bar results. Actually Amanda
Rollins delivering a cup of coffee to Korea, who's about
to get his bar results.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Who He's like, they're gonna send me a link and
he's like, oh, the link's here, and instead it's just
him logging into a website and it's a bunch of numbers,
and Crease is like, that's my number. There, I passed
the bar.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
He passed, So, uh, maybe the earliest goof we've ever gotten,
which is the New York Bar Exam pass list, is
posted using the applicants' names and is open to the public.
So not only do you not have to log in,
it is not anonymous, and Caresey would have just received

(42:34):
the results by email the previous day.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well maybe that's these days back then. Also, for the
fact that he just passed the bar, it's a very
subdued celebratory reaction from everyone.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Interesting because I thought that Finn was out pretty outsized
Finn was like Oay's leaving.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
I thought, I thought caresee's reaction.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Like if I just passed the bar, Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:02):
I'd be like, fuck you everyone, I am getting the
fuck out of SV.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, I get you, fuck you, fuck you. It's interesting because.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
A shit on Live's desk just because I can't. I
don't need a reference just because I can't. I I have.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
This might be like a like a like a neurodivergent
thing or something. But like when a very very good
thing happens to me, I don't react very much.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I mean, I think it depends depends on the I mean,
what are we talking here. I like, like if I
found out that I fucking passed the bar, that's it.
That's you're gonna get a yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
But every like every like big contract that I've gotten,
or like when I got married, or or when I
won the chili cook off, equal things equal equal.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I just my like big celebrations, like hey, that's cool.
I I didn't have so much emotion that I just
like can't express any of it. Is it?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Is it more just relief that whatever the anticipation was
is over.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah kind of yes, like that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
I'm picturing specifically for your wedding, just because there was
a lot of moving parts to that. For sure. Yes,
for you know, had you had just like a simple
thirty person yeah, you know, ceremony or something like that,
I think you would have had a different reaction.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I feel like Raymond Holt, where I'm like, hey, this
is a great thing. Sorry for flying off the handle everybody, but.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, it's like, hey, let's all celebrate it. Lives like
what happened? Like crazy passed the bar and she's like.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
She cannot believe it. She's like, oh, Carrees, did I.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Really wanted Like later after like Caresie and Rollins leave
the room for her, like go over to Finn be like,
son of a bitch, I owe you fifty fucking bucks.
I believe that. Or she's just like, hold on, I
got to make a phone, Barbara, it's live. Yeah he passed.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Yeah good. Can we can we audit that? Can Is
there any way we get dark?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Yes? Sure, because because with how many steps there are
in the process. For Careesy, I wouldn't put it past
him to just like not know his number or he
like misread it. Yeah, like oh fuck. But instead she's like, oh,
you're leaving us two and everyone's like fucking two.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Yeah. She's like, oh yeah, didn't I tell everyone? Yeah,
Dodds is leaving uh in an episode?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
Uh yeah, so this is his last week uh oh
on Earth And Finn's like what he.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Just fucking what the fuck man? And then Dots goes
in and they're like, hey a Sole and he's like, oh,
so Live, I say that, I see that you told everyone.
And this is where Finn has the line where I'm like,
what the fuck are we doing here? It's like joy
Terrorism task Force, you know, s weu we we arrest
and convict people. Now you don't Joint Terror's and task Force,

(46:04):
you can get killed.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
I'm like, oh, so you're gonna get killed in a second.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
And I'm also like, I don't think that's since Live
was also on the Joint Terrorism Task Force and it
was basically her just sitting behind a computer researching stuff.
I don't think Dodds is He's not like a boot kicker,
you know, or a door kicker.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
I guess he's a boot liquor.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Yeah, he is that.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
And so Olivia is like, well, this calls for a celebration.
Let me take you all to lunch. Don't you have
a job?

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Also, aren't you just getting in like right now?

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I don't know if she meant to, like, let's go
to lunch right now? Although it is it is nine thirty.
Am as good a time as eddy to take a
three hour lunch?

Speaker 1 (46:48):
I mean, it's like that scene in fucking office Space.
It's like, you want to go down to Chatski's and
get some coffee. We just got here. It's a little
early for that, isn't it. If I don't get out
of here, I'm gonna fuck the music.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
We go over to Brad Garrett. He played Gary Munson
months months, not monthsye, because that would be two places
in Indiana Gary Munson. And it says DC on his lapel,
and I'm like, are we in fucking DC? Nope, Nope,
Department of Corrections. And he is married to Karna Log,

(47:19):
Donna Log's twin sister.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
Is that why she looked familiar? It's the Log family resemblance.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
The Log family resemblance. You also might recognize her from
the movie Zodiac, where she plays woman. I do love
that movie. I can't say she's also she stands out
a bit of a bigger part in Argo. Are you
an Argo guy?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
I saw it once. I remember liking it when I
saw it.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, she's she's got a bigger part in Argo. She's
one of the hostages, I think. But uh, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
If it seems like a movie that you may have
seen a thousand times, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
I could see that as being one of those. It's
the opposite. It's the salt. Once liked it. I'm sure
if I saw it again, I'd be like, that's so fine.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Yeah, it's good. And so he says he has to
go to work. The kids want to go to Disney
or something because they're in DC. I don't. I don't
know what the fuck's happening, And so he has to
go to work, and his work is beat cop un clear. Yeah,
bad with context clues right now, because he's just like
on patrol in his own car and comes up agent.

(48:30):
Yeah that's but he's not wearing a mask.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Right because he has more honor and integrity.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Yeah, the rapist in this episode has more honor and
integrity than the entirety of the Department of correct the U, Immigration.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
And Customs Enforcement that's what it's.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
That's what it stands for, you fucking d weeps. Oh
my god, yep, yep, blocking losers.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
The fact that it's it's pretty despicable that I started
by post grad school career as a subsidiary of ICE
in Ice.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, what what were you doing?

Speaker 1 (49:06):
The student exchange visitor program dealing with.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
All this stuff that they just fucking ended, right or yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Uh I haven't kept up on that, but yes, all this,
the student visas, the foreign students coming over studying here,
keeping track.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Of it, and you were you were the ones. Uh
you were the one like pulling those people and sending
the cops after them, right? Uh?

Speaker 1 (49:27):
No, I was, In fact, what was I doing?

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I you're the one giving them the visas and then
saying psych and then we're sending you to Guantanamo.

Speaker 1 (49:36):
That was a country you are not from. Yeah uh yeah,
that was me, you know, just pull pulling the people.
Now is one of the hundreds of people, thousands of
people that are doing meaningless office work in support of
these people to arrest people, probably for no fucking reason.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
Jesus fucking Christ. Well, I'm glad you don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
I am very glad, I don't do that anymore or either, And.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
So Brad Garrett roll rolls down his window at like
just a woman minding her own fucking business, and is
like Cherise. He's like, She's like, oh Jesus fucking Christ.
And he's like, well, you're out of You're on the outside, now,
how about I patch you down?

Speaker 1 (50:17):
He's like, what is that an open container of booze?
You got there? That's illegal. I could fucking arrest you.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That's a lipstick.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Yeah, I because this is the part where I was like,
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
What's his job?

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Also, they they say she says later there was it's like,
oh my god, like he knows he knows where I live,
he knows where my like my grandma, like my mom lives.
He knows everything. I was like, and this happens every week.
Apparently he does this.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Well, he did it every week in prison, and then
she says he continued it when she got out.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
But we find out that he's always cruising through this
neighborhood because we find out later with the cameras and
the whatnot, what was the mosque in the.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Area, Oh my god, what a talk of at that?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
And then we'll get to that. But it's like, so
is she just always walking down the street at the
same time every fucking day.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
And he knows she's like somewhere in the neighborhood or
this is part of their game, Like he always like
she's she's gotta be there or else he fucking throws
her in jail, right, But.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Like there's a lot of if it would be one
thing if he showed up to her house, because then
it's like that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
But this is like they seem to be driving in
the same direction, so maybe he's going to her house
and she's like walking home from the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
But but they make it sound like this happens all
the time. So it's like, so all the time you're
just seeing her on the street and pulling her into
this car. Like it doesn't make a lot of sense
the way that they describe it.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
He's just fishing, He's just but he.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Catches a fish, the same fish every fucking time.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
But not I don't think in the same way. You
just kind of go where you where Saris hangs out.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I mean, I guess because she's at the halfway house.
So he's always go.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
The ha oh, that's right. She does live at a
halfway house, so that makes more sense, right, It's like
he knows where to get her, I guess.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
But then to tie in the Ken Randall of it all,
It's like, but then would Ken Randall be like, Yeah,
there's this one Christaficer that shows up at the fucking
halfway house every week to talk to Cheris.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
And I think, like, you know, speaking of speaking of
Ken Randall. So he rapes her or he doesn't. We
don't see him raper, but he like grabs her thigh
or whatever. And then we cut to the most twenty
sixteen restaurant I've ever seen in my life. There's like
a big chalkboard wall in the back with like cursive
writing of what the menu is and like ship lap

(52:43):
and like industrial design and and Ken Randall is eating
lunch with his father oda Fin tuoduola Yes.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
And Ken tells Finn that they are starting a family,
he and his husband, And Finn's like, oh, you're not
trying to set me up again, are you? And they're
like no, no, no, it was a.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Bad adopting Yes, How's Finn.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Seems non pleased about the fact that he's about to be.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
A granddad, and but he puts on a good face.
He's like, I'm gonna be a granddad all my all
the people at work are they are all having kids,
so at least I'll have photos to show off. But
this guy calls me Finn, No, none of this Grandpa's ship.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
And it's like, Wow, that's the least enthusiastic father I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Once again, that is about the level of enthusiasm I
would display. But I would be legitimately excited.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Right, I don't. I think Finn does my right right,
but you're but you're not.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, I have brain damage, right exactly.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
So it's like you know, and instead Ken gets a
phone call and it's like, hello Series raped you say
correction officer. Well okay.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
It's interesting because he gets the phone call and it
says hello cheries and we see like that it's Serie
on the other end of the line, and I'm like,
is that the surrogate? No way, he works at the
halfway House.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Well, but I thought that too. I was like, oh,
so that's how SBU's going to get involved in this.
It's because the victim happens to be the person that's
carrying one of the detective's son is n child not no, right,
but that would make more like that's how what it
should have been.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Well, yes, but then it would be like so personal again,
where it's like, oh, we only care about this because
it's like Finn's grandson.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Who gives I mean, at this point, who gives a shit?

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah. Yeah, they've already done this enough on the show.
It's just kind of they do kind of the opposite
of this, which is just like, man, we would have
never uh, we would have never even found out about
this or cared if if it hadn't been reported directly
to one of our detective sons.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
Well, the fact that Finn treats it like, oh my god,
tell her not to move, like, don't cut the red wire.
This whole situation is bound to explode.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I gotta I gotta get Olivia, and.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
It's like, what the fuck Wait, hold on, He's like, Oh,
this is gonna be very tricky doing this. It's like,
I mean, we've already done the thing where we go
after the department live with undercover in the prison.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
For crisis, which she seems to not remember because when
Olivia talks to Charise, she's like, why didn't you report this.
Why didn't you tell anybody? Oh god, this is happening.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
I have that down to where it's like, Olivia, you
were there, you saw it first fucking hand, and we're
two seconds away from being raped.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
It's potentially it is feasible that that memory got beaten
out of her, either in the townhouse incident or by
William Lewis.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Or from all the bottles of wine that had a
problem with. But really it's always seeing her never be
visibly intoxicated, but just have glasses of wine.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Alcoholism is a cause of short term memory loss.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Sure, but like it's that you haven't really and you've
also seemingly abandoned that storyline too, so it's like, what
are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (56:04):
Just just pulled the ripcord. And so the EMO is
that he takes her into the prison chapel and finds like,
because there's no security cameras, why why?

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Like I can understand, like not in a confessional booth
type situation.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
I agree, I agree, I think, but like it's it's
a pretty it's a smoking gun when he's like going
into the confessional booth with a with an inmate.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, and he's walking out with his fucking dick in
his hand.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
But whom's among us doesn't his member getting his member dirty,
dirty member, watching his dirty member. Whoms among us doesn't
like getting blown in a prison chapel. You know, I'm
I'm among us.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
I'm a firm believer. If I will try anything once.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, sure, including Catholicism.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Including suicide, try it once.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And so he's she says. Shari says that she didn't
report anything.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Because stupid, who the fuck are you gonna report.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
It to that? And that Gary called said that she
was just a blow a broke a blook a broke
black crack hor and no one will believe you.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay again, I just the fact that we have our
SPU detectors are like, I don't understand why didn't you
report this rape? It's like, motherfucker, are you you are
the rape police? You understand the statistics of the number
of people that don't report rapes. Throw in institutional corruption
and racism and everything else.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
The uh And and the actor playing Cherisse, whose name
is Crystal Joy Brown, who is Yeah, she's quite good,
especially in this moment where she's just like, listen, you
don't have to worry. I know that this isn't gonna
go anywhere, like and that's fine.

Speaker 1 (57:53):
And she's not even asking for it too. She's like, yeah, whatever, just.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
Like just just let me go home, right right? Is
that to be her safe word?

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Okay, I can't wait to get to It's like, really,
you don't like Fidelio. You want something that's.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Very But also, I mean I have another thing about that,
which is she said Finn's like, don't worry, I know
what the safe word is that she says it, and
Olivia has to be like, go now, go now, Finn.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
Meanwhile, Finn moves and the fan that contains Living Dodds
shows up immediately at the same time, so it's like
this but fine.

Speaker 2 (58:29):
They look into Gary Munson. He has been with rikers
in the prison industrial complex, uh prevacys derogatory seventeen years.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Yes, seventeen years.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And I think they say he has three complaints or something, yeah,
very like yeah, I think.

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Total over seventeen years. I mean, I guess that's a.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Pretty good rate. And mean, meanwhile, Shariz has twelve misdemeanors,
and I'm like, you're putting her in I understand twelve
is a lot, but you're putting her in fucking rikers
for misdemeanors.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Well, also the facts like, well what are these mystic
Like are we thinking at all? It's like, oh, the.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Misdemeanor is usually it's just her carrying a jay. I
think that's what they got her fucking boyfriend for.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
He wasn't even carrying. It was in his well yeah,
I guess he was carried. It was all his person,
but like he wasn't even spoking, he was just literary
in his goddamn pocket. Yeah. Also, New York now has
legalized weeds, So are you like clearing out rikers all
the people that are there for fucking misdemeanor weed?

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Who's gonna make the license plates?

Speaker 1 (59:35):
So God's planet?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Yeah, Dodd says, we really caught a break, didn't we that.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
Ken Randall? Yeah, well lunch at the time, Like would
Ken Randall because Ken Randall probably wouldn't have no if
he wasn't having lunch with Finn, and Finn was like, hey,
don't do it in the way you're about to. It
either wouldn't have been reported or she would have probably
been murdered by Brad Garrett or he.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Would have continued to rape her for the rest of
her life essentially, and so but Dodd says this a
few times in the episode, Oh, we really caught a break.
And I'm like, yeah, I don't like this, Like it's
my last week before retirement. We're being so lucky right now,
Like you gotta clock boy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
I can't wait for my son. I can't wait to
hold my firstborn son.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah right, my wife's her.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I'm gonna take over my dad's car wash business in Skokie, Illinois.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Oh no, we're gonna we're gonna open up that shrimp restaurant.
Just doing me, buddy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
I'm gonna show you how to juggle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Yeah, that's right. So Dodd says that's so stupid. They've
gotta like they've got we've got to do something about
whatever rikers, right, and and Barba's like are you are
you fucking yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
This is the part where Barbara's like, yeah, there's no,
We're just not gonna do that. Everyone's like really, And
it's never really explained why. It's just that they have
a powerful union.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
They also say that it's out of their jurisdiction, but like,
that's that's why you just talk to the other cops
the like, like this only is a problem because supposedly
you're the only good cops basically ever.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Right, because they just forget it, like, oh, it's all
just so corrupt. Their union is too powerful, and they
just kind of shrug. It's like, well, there's nothing gonna
be done about it. It's like, well, because even the
judge later is like, mister Barbara, this is not the
time to earn political points. Whenever he's like, yeah, we
want to like someone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Basically everybody though, right, Like and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Even Barbara has to be like, well, well, we understand
that most corrections officers are not like this, even though
we absolutely know that is the case that they are
all like this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
I have to say it's funny because he like rope
adobes a little bit. He's like, uh, so we all
know that everyone is is great at CBP, not CBP
at DOC, and so that's why we need to extra
punish this guy for ruining their good name. Right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:13):
It's like, well, I mean, sure, good job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
I mean it's a good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
Yeah. In terms of what you must make an example
out of the that's why it's all the more important.
It's like, I mean, I look, because we live in
the here in the future of the world of I
we're just all fighting each other for the fucking scraps.
Even if that were to happen in real life, I
guess I would take that. It's like, well, someone somewhere
is being held to account as opposed to just literally

(01:02:43):
no one anywhere being held to account. So it's like
I would even take that poultry showing of like all right,
one person gets some jail time, but everyone else goes free.
It's like, well, at least we got one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
It's you know, it's also interesting that like we are
just we are just waiting for the day that the
Gestapo like knocks on our door and and the bad
apples come to get us. So it's like quaint quaint
that they're like, yeah, this is you know, but we're
not at that typing just now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Instead, it's like leave comes up with the idea of like, okay,
we won't investigate him. We'll say we'll come up with
a shadow investigation of shit that's not happening or possibly
could be. We'll say it's it's hooked up with the
gangs who are running it from inside. Rikers. Yeah, and
these women are vict dooms.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Oh yeah, that's as well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
And so they just they go to Rikers and they
have like a real attitude of like, hey man, I
don't want to be here either, this is the list,
this is what we gotta do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
It's it's also it's like not a shadow investigating. It's
like a it's like a cover investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
It's it's a real it's a real investigation of not
real things.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
Yes, yes, and and it's I am I kind of
notice at this point that how interested I am in
the show as soon as they start doing real police work.
And I also you also know, I love it when
we watch The Watchmen, right, and you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
Know there is a shoe leather element to it of like, hey,
they're actually doing the procedure. We're harkening back to, you know,
the days of a fucking procedure where they would actually
do the actual police work that started this whole fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
They also willingly just accept the fact that's like, well,
there's something we can do about it, and the only
way to fix the problem is to literally concoct a scheme.
Do we have iab for a fucking reason, you're telling
me that the corrections officers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Don't we thought about this too, where I'm like, yeah,
I would watch the Law and Order IAB show. If
they're just like investigating other bad cops, that would be
the truest prop copaganda because like, clearly that doesn't happen
in this country.

Speaker 1 (01:04:58):
But whatever, Well, right, so.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
They go they go to Rikers and they talk to
like the head prison guard person and he's like, it's
bad enough. We got these animals in here, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Dude the language that they use to describe the inmates.
And even later at the fucking press conference, Bill Duke's like,
these are the lowest forms of human life.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
Yeah, like my god, guy, and and uh he says
something at the very end where it's like the testimony
is compromised by default because this person is a criminal, like, man,
you suck again. It's I'm glad the predator killed you,
Bill Duke, right.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
Like I I fucking hell so again. Uh Finn and yeah,
Finn and Dods I guess are the ones talking to
the one guy who is like, all right, yeah, I'll
get you. All this shit between like you and the
Feds and all these other people investigated us. So I
was like, it's just all it's like, do you realize

(01:06:00):
that the problems that you're all facing. You're probably of
your own making here people. The fact that there's no
self awareness from any of these people to be like, huh,
referring to all these people as animals and not humans,
might hear me to the fact that why they don't
like us very well and treat us with zero respect.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
The In addition to all of that, we like learn
that what some of these people are in for, and
so what the one of the other like possession one
of them is public urination.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Yes, and he's like, yeah, she's a real lady. I'm like,
why are you and rikers for fucking That's not fine?

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
And so so the look at these animals one girl
pissed in public ones cool, I.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
That would if we deserve everything we get, and they
talk as a society.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
They talk to one of the the only woman correction
officer that we that we meet, and she's like, anyone
makes any complaint, they're lying.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Cool, So believable.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
She's also a good actor who her name is defense
Attorney one. No, that can't be right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
She has a named.

Speaker 2 (01:07:19):
The episode. Yeah. Orita Wilkins is her character name, and
her human being name is Carolyn Michelle Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Got you, okay, because she's talking to Careesy and Rollins
and you know, Clarsa Rowins are like, oh, boy, must
be really bad in here, you know it. And they're like, oh,
you're looking for this girl. Oh she ain't here, she's
in the infirmary. Everyone's running some sort of a game
or something.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah. Maybe because this place is a fucking hell hole.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah maybe if it's like, well, the reason that you
have to run a scam is to survive.

Speaker 2 (01:07:57):
And they even say, like all the gag, the gang's
take over here and everything is whatever, and like, yeah, literally,
that's the only way people are gonna survive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Yeah, you've created a system for you're the one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
You're the problem. Yes, And so they they scour the
security cameras after they talk to this female CEO, they
scour the security cameras to see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
That Chares's story lines up because for what she was saying, oh,
he'll take me into the chapel, and he's taken me
into the chapel like every Friday or whatever like that
for fucking however long. So they get the corroborating.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Story and they see there's three other people.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Yeah, there's there's first they're like Okay, her story is credible,
and that there's a lookout, which is this female Christians
officer Wilkins. Yeah, Wilkins is the one that stands outside
the door to make sure Brad Garrett gets us doesn't
get disturbed whilst raping these women.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Right. So the three other women are Latanya, Zahara and
CSI and like they get like two steps out the
door when they find out that Cherise was arrested, and
I'm like, wow, Gary's not a total moron. He like
had her arrested so that she couldn't he like knew
something that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
This is where I'm like, wait a second, is this
Are these all his corrections officers?

Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
He's the He's the guy, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Otherwise how did he orchestrate this? Who is doing Is
he connected with the NYPD or is it literally these
are all just the other corrections officers that apparently are
also deputized to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
I think a little bit of Column, a little bit
of Colin b because he is related to an NYPD, like,
which is whatever. Okay, maybe he's calling in those favors,
but it also seems like in this world they can
just do that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Again. They when we see the footage of the arrest.
It really looks like just like ice agents today, where
it's just like a bunch of guys just roll up
in an unmarked car, thrower in the fucking back and
there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
This is also the second time when they when they
see Sharis and the other victims. The second time time
that Dodd says, oh, he caught a lucky break. There's
like footage of the rest of them.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
So Charis and Brad Garrett sees her as she's coming
back into jail and he's like, I'll see you tomorrow.
It's like, oh, boy, all right, that's not great, Bob.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
He's very into uh he's like chewing the scenery. He's like, oh,
you're back, you're all mine and you're back and whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
Yeah. So they we get the footage of the arrest.
They see that there's no fucking cause for any of this,
because there was. They were caught on camera, like right
in front of a camera, and they're like, boy, these
guys are getting bold. They're just right on a security camera. Yeah,
they don't even.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
Care another thing. Like the third time that he's like, ah,
we gotta got real lucky about this.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Yeah, there's a bodega. They made it sound like, oh,
no one would have seen that. It's like, man, it
was right on the court, it's right there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
And Charis says that she that her boyfriend had like
a j on him in his pocket, but they like
they were they had basically attacked them, and when she
took out her phone to film the police, they arrested
her and tossed her phone out the window. And Olivia
you can tell she wants to be like, well, you
shouldn't film the police.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
She's like, well, we're gonna we're gonna try to find
that phone because it might be helpful to our investigation, might.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Be But Sari says that meanwhile, it's already all on camera. Well,
they don't know that. But Charis says that they that if.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
You're watching footage, if someone filming something.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
They don't have, then on the footage yet, then on
the footage yet. When Charisse says that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
They says that okay. But so is this where they
are like, well, what if we with the other three victims,
are like, what if we knock down their bail so
they don't have to so they can cooperate? Okay, Yeah,
so this is where they're like, we've got three other victims,
and Barbera's like, what are they in for? What's their bail?
And they're like, well, just dismiss the charges and they're like, no, no, no,

(01:12:09):
we can't in case Brad Garrett or Munson will then
know that we're investigating him if we treat them, well,
so we can't, and it's it's like, what what if
Barber's like, well, here's what I can do. I can
request r R rather than dismiss the charges. I'm like,
but wouldn't if your whole thing is we can't show
favoritism and then they get ro o R. Wouldn't that

(01:12:34):
do the same thing of tipping off? Well, very very clear,
which it does. So it's like, then you might as
well just dismiss the case. Is there are He's already
going to be tipped off to the fact that you're
doing this, And if that's the whole, the stated reason
that you're taking your actions, it doesn't make any fucking sense.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
The other girls were under the impression that their charges
were going to be dropped, and so it's interesting that
like Barbara is basically like making them take a deal
where he's like, oh, I got your bail reduced, so
you're ro o R now, so you have to work
for me, and all their lawyers are like, we will
absolutely work with you, and all the women are like

(01:13:15):
fuck no, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
Then it's cut to all of them being interviewed by
SBU and they're like, fuck no, I'm not gonna testify
against but are you kidding me? That guy will fucking
murder me?

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
One of them, one of them tells uh Rollin's like,
when was the last time you were in rikers Elsa?

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
I loved that line so fucking much. Yeah, very very good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
And so we go over to there was a let
It Go reference. I mean, we find out that Charisse
has gone a wall. They're like, oh, URI's gonna love
it when she hears about this. Never mind, she's on
she's a wall, And I'm like, or murdered why? But
she's not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
She's not.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
Oh no, she's not murdered. She's she's at Langston Hughes Playground,
which I'm sure is a real place, but yikes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
And she's heading off her children to her mother, and
so who is conveniently standing fifteen feet away.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Blocking is so weird because she's like, go to grandma,
and Grandma just sort of like squats down like a catcher.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
And opens her arms like come here, come here, kids. Children.
It's like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
They tell her she's like gonna run. I guess I
don't know, and that's what.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
We that's the cops just say that. It's not really previously, like,
I don't know why they They're like, well, she's a wall,
so therefore she's running. But she's not running because they
find her at the playground, and I guess it's because
she's getting ready to run, But how did they know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Where she was or where she's going anyway, because.

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
They're saying like, if you run, because she says, oh,
it's bullshit charges. They shouldn't have arrested me. Agreed, yes,
And she's like and they say to where it's like yeah,
but if you run, then if the charges stick, I'm like, well,
I think it's a different charge for skipping bail. The
original charges wouldn't, but you'd still end up back at breakers.
So like, I I understand, it's kind of stupid to
make that distinction because either way you're fucked. But she's like,

(01:15:05):
you know, what, what what are you waiting for? What
do you want for me?

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
Yeah, And so Olivia gives her this like win one
for the Gipper speech where she's like, your daughters are
so good, I guess, and what are they gonna what
are they gonna think if you're a mo if their
mom ran versus like stood up and fight. I'm like,
that's that's easy for you to say, Live, it's not
your fight. You're not gonna get fucking murdered.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
Or raped in fucking prison, which you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
All are outside of prison.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Cannot emphasize this enough. You were also very nearly raped
in prison, so seven seasons ago, so recently. So the
fact that you have so little sip like Live is
one of those people that really really has a lot
of sympathy for you if you can help her, and
the second you can't, she could give a ship. Yeah right,

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she's a master manipulator.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
Well she's a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Well you're right, what are you right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
She Cherie does agree and says.

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
Shes to wear a wire and a face.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
Came and yeah I know that, Like it's not one
to one, but she is wearing a wire and a
camera and then the the cops are watching it on
an iPad and so in my head I'm like, is
she shooting this on an iPad? Is she just on a.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
FaceTime right now? And just like tucked into her pocket
because she should. Again, she meets him at that same
location on the street and I'm like, guys, this doesn't
make any sense. Why are you meeting at this one
random spot on the street? But fine, So he rolls
up and she's like, hey, baby, you're looking for a

(01:16:53):
good time. I'll suck your dig And he's like, yeah,
why don't we take a walk? Heang, rather than having you,
uh blow me in my car. Uh, let's go for
a walk instead. I'm like, well, she's got to know
that she's dead then yeah, oh god, she's so fucked.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
But me, but what's Finn is like okay, I'm tailing
her and like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:19):
She knows it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Yeah right, Uh it'll be okay, and like, uh, I'll
just I'll just keep my distance and Olivia is like,
I don't. I don't think that's a good idea.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
So instead, Brad Garrett pulls her into an abandoned brownstone.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
It looks like it looks Tom Sis was living.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Sure, Tom Sizebors is there. Actually he's just still on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
He tells her that they're going to the river, and
I'm like, move in, moving, you guys are so fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
No, nope, not, that's not a good place to be
for this woman.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
And then he pulls a gun on her and then
it's like talk and then puts his head over her mouth,
is like, sh don't talk, don't talk, but talk, but
don't talk, but talk, but don't talk.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
And I'm a married man, you can call me at home.
And meanwhile he's like trying to yeah, rape her.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah. So he's saying all the right things, but obviously
conveniently he.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Also saying the right things. It is very ominous well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Because his defense later is like whenever you say, like,
I'm a married man, you can't call me a home anymore,
blah blah blah blaha again because he must be wise
to the fact it's not just a wire that there's
some sort of a video element to it too, because
he's got to push up against the wall so if
you can't see anything, and then he puts later, I
know that's what it was, just like holy shit, because
later they point out the facts like, well on the

(01:18:40):
audio recording is that you can't see anything he's saying
all the right things that like, oh, she tried to
fuck me and I rebuffed her advances. I told her
I'm a married man and I can't fuck her. That's
literally like his excuse.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Me, yeah right, not anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:18:55):
It lives like that's all well and good, but you've
neglected to bench the fact that you had a gun
on her the whole time. He's like, hey on camera,
I'm allowed to have a gun.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
And the way that he figured it out, he says,
is because they didn't row Are the Boyfriend, and so
he knew that she was cooperating. I'm like, you fucking
morons didn't row Are the boyfriend?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Well, I but to me that made more sense because
it was like, why would she call him out of
the blue unless she needed something? And she says like, oh,
I needed you to suck your dick if you take
care of my boyfriend in.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Rikers, which is which is a good improv a good
a good a good cover.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Right, but like, what exactly was their plan here for that?
She didn't Yeah, because it's like, why why would this
woman who's like you have done nothing but antagonize me
and rape me? Then I hate you that I'm now
going to just call you to have you come meet me.
These are cops are fucking idiots. If they're like, yeah, yeah,
just call him up and he'll show up and not

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be suspicious of fucking anything, like yeah, no, that's that's
the opposite of true, that's the opposite of gowd.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
So so the cops burst in and he's like, I'm
it's okay, I'm it's okay, I'm on the job, and
feels like, shut the fuck up, You're not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
On my job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
And see, he says, I only went along with it
to see how far she would go.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Sure, I'm not a corrupt cop. I'm playing cover, you see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
And so they they bring him into Barbara's office with
his union rep uh and and his lawyer Bill Duke.
May he rest killed by the predator and.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
The rep his union rep is basically just like, how
dare you? Same with Bill Duke the whole bit. They're
they're just like, you're gonna believe this? That crack over?

Speaker 2 (01:20:48):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
So this is the Union is correction officer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:50):
Played by Ramon Franco, who was in Once upon a
Time in Hollywood as like a movie theater owner. But
he's quite good. He he was a series regular on
the Bridge. Do you remember that show?

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I do?

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
I never watched it. I was kind of wanted to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
He's good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
I think it was only one season. It was a two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
I think it's two seasons, but he, uh, maybe one.
He he is like a kind of a multimeal Edward James,
almost Eddie Jimmy almost, and like in a good way.
He's like, he's like exciting and kind of scenery chewing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
I mean, they're all playing just mafia people at.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
This correct point. And and he says, or Bill Duke says,
my client was trying to give this woman the benefit
of the doubt that she needed help for her boyfriend.
And when she threw herself at him and tried to
bribe him with sex, he did all the right things,
said that he was married, and put it onto her
head and tried to rape her. What are we doing here, guys, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Don't understand what you guys think is illegal about any
of this.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
You see, he's a he's a wife just stole to
do this, and he might be willing to resign if
he can keep his pension and benefits. And Olivia is like,
no fucking way, which is where the show Goals goes
full fantasy land. In any real city in the United States,
they would just take that deal and cover it up
and it would be over. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
True.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
And then the Union rep Is like, you know what
they call the corrections officers, New York's boldest, And Barb
was like, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:22:31):
Because they so boldly commit these crimes.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Yeah, they're brazen in their in their fucking crimes and
their corruption. And uh and so Barbara this is we
mentioned this before, goes in front of the judge and
is like, you know, New York's boldest. They're very important.
They do an amazing job. There are heroes, which is
why it's important to send a message that this fucking
guy is a piece of shit and needs to be

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thrown to jail. It's just the bad apples, Yeah, what's
the rest.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
Only got rid of the bad apples.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
The rest that's saying.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
Shut up that there's the rest of that saying it's
it's just a few bad apples. It's fine, It's totally fine.
You get sometimes you get a bunch of apples.

Speaker 2 (01:23:11):
Couple, what do you mean, good, good times, good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, and that's and therefore therefore I don't think nothing
needs to change or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
It's like, you get a bunch of bad bananas, you
make banana bread.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
It's true, it's delicious, and who doesn't love banana bread?

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Anyway, everyone knows this, and so uh right, and so
they're trying to they they talk to uh the judge,
and the judge is like, now's not the time to
score political points by whatever, and then they take on
the union corrections, and then his lawyers like we we

(01:23:51):
uh demand that these charges are dropped, and the judge
is like, now's not the time to score political points
by doing what you're trying to do too, which is
this is basically the policy of the twenty twenty five
Democratic Party. Boom got them that. She's like, now it's
not the time to take a stand on anything.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Don't you understand. We can't afford to piss other people
off by taking a stand on things.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
This is all a distraction from the kitchen table issues.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I must say. So I was out the other day,
and there's every Friday for the past couple of fridays,
or actually for a while, come to think, but probably
since the administration came in, there's been a particular intersection
that people go and protest at that up by me,
and it's all it's exclusively old, like sixty five lowest end,

(01:24:44):
and they all have signs and they all go out
there they protest this stuff. And every week there is
just more and more and more of them. And yesterday
when I drove by, it was like a sea of olds, okay,
And I was like, wow, if you've getting this many
old people together, like it gives you a little bit
of hope. It's like, man, you've mobilized the old. That's

(01:25:06):
that's to go sit on a street corner and protest
you and protests like that's quite a bit. And I
one of them had a sign which I enjoyed very much,
was and it's aid you can turn your back, but
at this point you can't say you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Correct that is which I enjoyed extremely correct, very well.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
It's like, good for you old people, But I don't
know just the fact that it's gathered that much momentum
and there's that many there's a lot of the same people,
but a lot of new people as well.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
So right, I'm glad it's gaining momentum. You know, obviously
you have said this before and any it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:42):
Will do nothing. It just means that they will just
go to that street corner and shoot you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
So you know, there needs to be a ground, a
critical mass of ground swell. And I don't think it's
gonna be the old people that does it. Unfortunately, No,
I don't think so either. But they talked to Karna Lows.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Certainly won't be the Democrats either.

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
Talk to Karina log who is like, you set him up.
This is entrapmant because you put her up to trying
to seduce him question mark, and so the now.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
He tries this is where they're trying to cover.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Her and rape her. But it's because you asked him to.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
It's not clear. She's just pissed that her husband got caught.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
This which I buy. I buy her a les Yeah,
you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Well, because she's the spouse of a of a cop essentially,
so of course she's she's lockstock and barrel in for
whatever the company line is there. So this is where
we get into the actual investigation and they're like, Wow,
he's done a really good job of covering all of
his fucking tracks that we can't fucking find anything on him.
We can't put him in the area of Teresa's halfway

(01:26:53):
house whatever like that. J Dodds. Oh, look at that
Joint Terrorism there was a moster around, So therefore we
lucked out that. Uh, the Islamophobia after a nine to
eleven really stuck around in New York City.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
So it turns out that the Joint Terrorism Task Force
has license plate readers at all the mosques in New York.

Speaker 1 (01:27:14):
Holy fuck, don't ask questions, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Everything's fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
Uh. And they also find out that like his because
I guess Schari's got a rape kit done. So they're like, oh,
we know the brand of condoms he uses. So Barbera's like,
I can use that to get a search warrant for
his house, see if we can find the same condoms.
I'm like, I don't think like buying a condom brand
should be in like unless you're buying like a really

(01:27:41):
weird one off condom.

Speaker 2 (01:27:43):
Yeah right, And we did that in like early seasons
of the shows, like oh, this lube is only manufactured
and Hoboken or whatever, and so sure, sure, Jan sir.
So they Olivia goes back to their house to arrest
him or something. Oh no, to toss the house looking
for condoms. Or whatever, and uh, and the wife is like,

(01:28:05):
how does it feel railroading one of your own? So
he is just supposed to be a cop at this point,
right at this point, and she tells the kids to
go outside and make mud pies in the backyard. Gross.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
Yeah, and this is where it lives. Like, well, you're
not gonna like what I'm about to tell you, but uh,
I'm gonna say it anyway, go get tested for STDs.
And she's like, go fuck yourself, lady.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Yeah, you're mad at me. You're gonna be put up
after what I'm gonna say, You're gonna be more mad
at me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
And she was right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Meanwhile, Gary is like, could you put the things back
where you found them? I'm like, you don't fucking do
that when you're tossing cells, motherfucker. But okay, and literally
rules for thee Yeah. Ten seconds before they see the
vacation picture that we're gonna talk about in a second,
I'm like, why don't they just lean on the female
guard that's been the lookout And then what did they

(01:28:58):
see on the mantle but a vacation picture with Brad Garrett,
his wife, the female guard and her husband.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
So they go and lean on her.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
But they had this footage days ago. Couldn't they have
just like leaned on her then? Whatever? Whatever? Whatever, Yeah,
the answer is yes, whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
In the same way that in last week's episode where
they literally had the footage of the rape that happened
on the reality TV show, it's like, why not just
wait till you find that footage? Yeah, and then you
can find out who.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Did the rape or like or like try to get
the footage faster.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, So you know the obvious things one would do
in a scenario like this, And they have leverage over her,
which is a time card violation. Okay, so this is
like the fucking al Capone tax fraud case.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
This is such small potatoes. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
Well, I guess it depends for how many years have
they been bilking the extra overtime, because it's like all
right as always in America, as soon as you started
fucking with the money, Yeah, that's when people started to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:59):
Care follow money. And so her union rep is there,
same guy, and She's like, I gotta call my sister
or someone. Oh, lawyer, right, I'm gonna go call my lawyer.
And Olivia's like, your cell phone's not gonna work in here.
Go to the break room so I can talk to
you alone, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Without the union, right, I mean. UNP is like, yeah,
that's fine. I'm not gonna go check this out at all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
I'm just gonna sit here, and so Olivia says the
classic thing of once your lawyer is here, I can't
help you.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Which technically she already invoked, so she shouldn't be talking
to her at all.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Correct, But also and like, once again, this person's a
piece of shit and for all intentsive purposes a cop.

Speaker 1 (01:30:41):
But don't the cops know that. Whenever the cops say
that to people, it's like, I can't help you. They're
full of shit.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
Shit, And so they she breaks her pretty quickly, and
she's like everyone cheats on overtime, fucking ot fraud. She's like, fraud,
and you're gonna go to Rikers and they're gonna kill
you and whatever. And I'm like, you're gonna go of
rikers for overtime fraud.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
They literally have someone for public urination and rikers of each.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
Yes, point, actually that's a good point.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
They will absolutely bring you in because you said that
you worked six hours of overtime, that you infected that work.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. And she is a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:31:19):
You will repay the city and the state of New
York with every right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
Like. So, the piece of evidence that this woman Wilkins
gives Olivia is that there's this inmate, Della Carter, who
is another one of Gary's victims and then.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Frequent flyer, phrase frequent flyer a bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
And and then she had a visitor which was her sister,
Lyney Carter, and and Gary saw Lyney and really liked her.

Speaker 1 (01:31:53):
And so maybe now he leaves every early every Sunday
to go fuck her and then go home.

Speaker 2 (01:31:58):
Maybe I talk to her. And so they got to
talk to Linney. They knock on the door and and
a child.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
The smartest, smartest child ever answers the door.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Considering he's one year old and four and a half
feet tall, I'm like, that's that's Gary Munson's son.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
Well where she uh, She's like, all right, well, you know,
go go fuck off, kid, go play Xbox or whatever.
I'm like, no, those are cops. I'm not fucking leaving you.
I'm like, smart kid, you've taught him.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Well, smart kid. And so yeah, so she bribes it
with Xbox and they ask if Gary Munson's been around,
and she's like, yeah, that son of a bitch's been around.
It's like, well, you're not the strongest actor, but that's okay,
that's okay. You tried.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
Was she expecting him to show up?

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
I geah, I don't know. Well he's also not a cop,
but we're gonna ignore that time.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
I mean, well, but again coded as such. Oh I
just got like this nice bright red lipstick going on,
and I was like, where are you going?

Speaker 2 (01:32:55):
Girl? Yeah, she's I mean, she's pretty the well right,
but if she's.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Just hanging out at home with her kid versus you know,
but then also, why would you get all like queted
up for your your rapist? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I don't know. She's got a rich outer life.

Speaker 1 (01:33:09):
Who knows like a Stockholm syndrome.

Speaker 2 (01:33:12):
I don't know. So she we cut to her on
the grand jury and she's like, yeah, this is what happened.
He has basically come and raped me for weeks and
says that it's for a special treatment for my sister.

Speaker 1 (01:33:27):
So she doesn't get binged.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
And everyone's like binged and she's like, yeah, yeah, bing
does like thrown in solitary confinement, which.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Is bing is they they force you to not use Google.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yet use to use Bing. I saw do you remember
the movie source Code, which is like Jake Jillen Hall
on the train.

Speaker 1 (01:33:47):
I never saw it, but I'm from I'm aware of it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
There. I saw no Michelle Monaghan question mark. But he's
like living the same same eight minutes over and over again.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
And so there's a moment where oh vera farming, isn't it?
And there's a moment where I saw it in the
theater and Jake John Hollick pulls out his phone to
search something and he bings it. He doesn't Google it,
and literally people in the theater just laughed at that.
It was like a very dramatic moment where he's like
looking up something that will get him out of this

(01:34:22):
time loop and he just bings it. Is being still
a thing, I believe so because being it was the
first instance of the uh the chat bot falling in
love with the person and trying to get him to
leave his wife or whatever. And that was only a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:34:38):
Yeah, that was big. That was a big joint.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
That was a big joint and from bing dot com
trending now Charlie Sheen Ohio State football Amanda binds, unless
you think that these are from twenty twelve, less you
think that this is from twenty twelve, the next one
is Xavier Worthy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
Okay, yeah, being still a fake.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Yeah, it turns out in huff Po Charlie Sheen has
opened up about sexual experiences with men, and he calls
it quote fucking liberating. Cool.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Good for you, Chuck Sheen.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
I guess, yeah, whatever, but yeah, this is from fifty
seven minutes ago, so it's not a relic of twenty twelve,
like the rest of it. Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:35:20):
I thought you went into the internet wayback machine there,
but no, you get banged, you get put in the hole,
and like, people die.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
She is a crime against humanity, right, she.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Says people die in there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
I'm like, yeah, they do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:31):
They probably die a lot of places at Rikers as
from the telling of the tales.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
They also put Shane shouldn't sorry Charis up on the
stand and she says.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
A montage at this point of them just being like
and then he raped me, and then he raised and
he also raped me, but then he raped me.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Charis says the thing about a black crack horr again
and then also says that he would come over to
her house when he knew that her boyfriend was locked up,
And I'm like, what is does it say about a
prison system that like a white guard can just lock
up a black woman's boyfriend in order to have access
to raping her in her home? Like does that not

(01:36:09):
sound like slavery to you? Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
Oh yeah, maybe don't ask questions.

Speaker 1 (01:36:15):
You burned out the banana said, didn't you?

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
So then his wife takes the stand Karina log and
Barb is like, so he's a good man and she's like,
good man, doesn't sheat on his taxes, works for us,
only thinks of being his kids, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Always hate It's like, oh, great father, like that's the thing.
He's like, oh, great father doesn't mean that he cuts them.
He said he absolutely couldn't do anything wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Ever, cuts the skin off chicken breast. And he's like,
could you look at the uh the time stamp of
when what time does he usually get home? And she's
like ten o'clock on Sunday, ten twenty on Sundays And
he's like, could you look at the where he signed
out here on this Sunday time sheet? And it says midnight,
and she's like, well, he gets like bonus hours because

(01:37:03):
he's working overtime. And Barbara's like, well, here is the
the footage of him leaving and it's six six and
I'm waiting for her to be like, well, that time
stamp must be in Greenwich meantime.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Instead she's like, well, I think our son was sick
that day, so that's why he left early.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
And Barbara got her He's like, is he sick a lot?
Before you answer, I'm gonna show you footage of him
leaving at the same time for the last six Sundays.
And I'm waiting for her to just stand up and
run off and be like I'm gonna have to get
that CD tested just.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Throws down like a smoke pop.

Speaker 2 (01:37:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Now. Instead what we get is Dodds and Live showing
up DOS Living Live.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
It is dods and Live because I think Barbara here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
Yeah, And Barbara is just like pacing outside of this
grand jury room and it's they're like, what what the
fuck is up? Certain one He's like, here's here's what's
gonna happen. They're they're gonna return to true Bill, They're
gonna indicte him and U and that's that's what's gonna
happen here. They're like, all right, great, well you want
us to go pick him up. He's like, no, no, no,
he's he's already turned into his passport and stuff. But

(01:38:08):
you see his lawyer and the union rep over there.
I'm pretty sure they're gonna fucking murder me in this courthouse.
So I need you. I need you to walk me
out like I am a server at her Hooters at
the end of the night. I need you to walk
me to my car. And we're not just like, that's pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
Fucked up, incredible system we have here, folks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:31):
It's it's flawless, and we cut to there is a
big old press conference going on outside.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
He may as well be Trump. Rather than fight the gangs,
they're investigating these poor officers. We're riding a witch hunt.
Isn't it so hard to be a cop? They risk
their lives every day?

Speaker 1 (01:38:49):
And then Barbara walks out and all the Department of
Corrections officers are like, let's go get that motherfucker.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
Good luck to you. What you need a prisoner to testify?
Once again? What does that? What does that mean? What
does that mean? What does that mean, and then a shady, wildest,
a shady guy shows.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Up, the wildest thing. Barbara's just trying to walk and
this guy comes up. He's like, hey, mister Raphael Barbara,
we know a lot about you and we're gonna fucking
kill you. What And Barbara's like, he's out a threat.
He's like, no, a threat would be if I shoved
you down the fucking stairs right now, or shot you,
were stabbed you. And Barba's like, so you're really gonna

(01:39:29):
just murder me in front of all of these cops
and witnesses. And guy's like, damn right. And this is
where Barbara is acting outside of his mind, where he
we don't see this, but apparently there's a bit of
business where he's like taking out a piece of paper.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
I see the paper, I don't I think he's I
think he's writing down like go fuck yourself or something.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39:47):
Yeah, and it's and so he's like, all right, well,
you want to come in here and you want to
fucking threaten me, you want to be a big man
with the big balls. And instead he's just like, if
you want to do that, here's my home address. C
fucking murder me at home, motherfucker them guy's like, oh,
the guy actually seems to respect Barba Li, but he's like, oh,
I didn't see that coming, all right, and he walks away.
And then Barbara's like, oh my god, I just worked

(01:40:08):
out my home my dress for that guy. He just
threatened to kill me. I'm out way over my skis here, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
This is this is a problem. John Doe has the
upper hand.

Speaker 1 (01:40:19):
Live I didn't know I padic that put down your address,
get no out of the house.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
And so they he just says, this is just the beginning,
and that's our it's not even as tell.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
Your squad to watch their back up, like they're the
fucking cops.

Speaker 2 (01:40:35):
Yeah what yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:40:36):
What what? And again these guys are the Rikers Department
of correct Like seemingly if unless you're in Rikers, you
should be fine, but apparently no, they're like the warriors
just roaming the streets of New York.

Speaker 2 (01:40:50):
I mean, how much work do they have to do
to bend over backwards to be like, oh, it is
the cops who are in trouble from the ultra cops,
who aren't better or more powerful. They're just different and
kind of jerkier for some reason to be continued, not

(01:41:12):
even a dick Wolf to be continued.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
What a weird crazy, what a weird episode crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
So from Trivia Corner, I don't know, I don't, I
don't know, guys. So yeah, as we mentioned, Karna Logue
is Donal Logue's twin sister, Declan Murphy's Win's sister, And uh,
this is gonna get partially bleeped, I think. But at
this point I think you realized this. I was, I

(01:41:39):
was sparing you from this, but it's I think you
can see the writing on the wall, it says. At
the beginning of this episode, after the squad finds out
that Dodds will be leaving for the Joint Terrorism Task Force,
Finn says SVU, we go after bad guys and lock
them up terrorism. You can get yourself killed. This is
a foreshadow to the end of the season when Odds

(01:42:00):
he gets shot and kill and kill and dies.

Speaker 1 (01:42:05):
By its Apartment of Corrections officer.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
I don't, I don't know, actually, but we're gonna find
out next week. Unrelated, unrelated, he just he just catches
a straight It's Nickamara and from the GOOFS department, we
mentioned that Careesy would have just been able to read
an email say that he passed the bar. That's also
it also might be a character thing where he's like, oh,

(01:42:29):
I don't know command to come be with me in
my time of need.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
He's just like trying to get it in. I mean,
we saw him watching Heart's desire with her tending to
the baby and making I think he's men do crazy things. Oh,
I don't think he's particularly worried about getting in it anymore.
I think he's I think that's that's he's the worry
of the getting it in. Yeah, Gay, I don't think

(01:42:54):
he needs the manipulation anymore. Whatever he's playing, playing dad.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
To the baby, it's I think he's got the green
light game over. So from user review corner, there are
only two reviews, and one of them is not be
cogain bing and I think it's because this may have
been a double episode. So so this aired on May eighteenth,

(01:43:21):
It wasn't a double episode. It is it to be continued.
But this aired on May eighteenth, twenty sixteen. The next
one aired May twenty fifth, and there are a ton
of reviews for the next one because it's the last
of the season and obviously uh opets old Dot gets ice. Ope,
if you're gonna find out in a second how it happens,

(01:43:42):
I think, but yeah us so user review corner a
little scant this time, but we're gonna hear from a
couple of our old faithfuls, the Little Songbird ten out
of ten stars. Don't know about that the title's corrupt
power they right. Season seventeen was inconsistent, but was also

(01:44:03):
a watchable one. The two part finale so it is
a two parter but not from the same week, is
one of the best the former This is the one
that we read the watch Getting the Slight Edge is
the better episode. When it comes to having giving it
award for the best episode of the season, it's got
to be Intersecting Lives, though the next episode, Heartfelt Passages,

(01:44:25):
did come extremely close and would have gotten my vote
if Barba's subplot was stronger. Intersecting Lives looks good with
the usual slickness and subtle grit. The script is one
of the most intelligent and tautist of the season. No core,
no melodrama or triteness in sight, and Brad Garrett's dialogue

(01:44:46):
later on chills what oh later the dialogue later on
Chills Okay, all the regulars are excellent. Best of all,
is a genuinely scary Brad Garrett and just the most
disgusting character he's ever played, compared to his character on
Raymond and is one of them, among the most disgusting

(01:45:08):
in Special Victims unit history, and boy does he have
some truly stiff competition, concluding outstanding ten out of ten
stars and from the same side of the aisle Yaz
Goliner ten out of ten stars.

Speaker 1 (01:45:24):
Wow Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:45:26):
Entitled Bad Hero. The first chapter about dirty officials who
who abuse their power and the storms they bring and
the devastation they leave behind. Earlier in svu Ada's had
faced dangers, threats, and attacks. Alex's cabot was gonne down
and had it go into hiding Casey Novak was beaten
in his office whatever. Unfortunately Paxton was murdered oh right yeah,

(01:45:52):
and Sharon Stone's Eightya was taken hostage. Barbara, on the
other hand, deals with the big heads that unwittingly protect
to the predator. He struggles with threats and intimidation enough
to be the subject of organized crime kind of. Barbara
is officially under attack by bad heroes. Yeah? Cool?

Speaker 1 (01:46:12):
Does that make them not heroes?

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
You know, not not heroes? They're also they are organized crime,
but like not in the way that you maybe mean.

Speaker 1 (01:46:20):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
That's our episode for this week. Lonitor SVU Season seventeen,
episode twenty two, entitled Intersecting Lives. If you agree or
disagree with us, if your lives intersect with ours, let
us know. We're at SU podcast on Blue Sky, which
is the official blue Sky of uh, the Department of Corrections.

Speaker 1 (01:46:41):
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Blood Banks Center, and Instagram longer and Instagram and Instagram
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Speaker 2 (01:46:58):
Spotify, Spotify, and tuned in next week when we view
and review and lovingly ridicule Law and Order. The end
of season seventeen. Season seventeen, episode twenty three, entitled Heartfelt
Passages from the little trailer. It looks pretty well shot
and the synopsis is the case against Corrections. Officer Gary

(01:47:19):
Munsen continues, Barbara continues to receive death threats, and Dodds
winds up in a hostage situation with the accused in
Munson's home. So it appears as though.

Speaker 1 (01:47:33):
So Dodds is gonna get shot, Munson's is fucking getting
taken hostage.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
I think is gonna take Dodd's hostage. And it appears
as though there's gonna be like a big hostage negotiation
because we have joining us doctor Peter Linstrom played by
Bill Irwin. Chief Dodds shows up, Ed Tucker shows up,
Jack McGee shows up as Deputy Inspector Bob O'Brien. That's

(01:47:59):
the uh, the wife's father. You you would recognize Jack
McGee from being like that old man in ten million things.
He's he's like a cop in basically everything, or a gangster.
He's you'll you'll, you'll, you'll, you'll recognize him. Oh yeah, yeah,
classic that guy Irish cop.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Dude. H he's bass also the chief or yeah chief
in the first however many seasons rescue me?

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Is he really? I've never seen rescue me.

Speaker 1 (01:48:31):
It's good. It gets it when it falls off, it
falls off.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Uh and uh, that's basically a Karina logan is back
Kevin O'Rourke is back as someone named doctor Rosenthal. You'll
you'll recognize also Kevin O'Rourke for a million things. He's
also in the paper. I think, Oh, no, he's no,
he's dead. Is he dead? Oh? Wait a minute, who

(01:48:55):
am I thinking of that? This is nonsense. Kevin Kevin
o'ro is here next week, and this is his fourth character. No,
third character, Nope, second character. I'm losing my mind here.
He has played four different characters on SVU, and this
is his second. So we'll see him two more times,

(01:49:19):
two more respawns. So until then, four law, Oh, Rebecca Brinkley,
four law, I order special viewing you and Mavie Roots type.

Speaker 1 (01:49:30):
And I'm Matt Reuter. We will see you guys next week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
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