August 13, 2025 • 53 mins
Explosive Liberty Lockdown livestream! Clint Russell, Dave Smith, Luke Rudkowski, and Scott Horton dive into the Nick Fuentes vs. Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson feud, exposing Jeffrey Epstein’s elite connections, Israel’s grip on U.S. policy, and Trump’s broken promises. Unfiltered takes on populism, non-interventionism, and the corporate media’s collapse—must-watch for truth-seekers! Get you some cozy: https://www.mypillow.com/lockdown Check out my show over on Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/show/nUTYcMtl4yMuoKHljZWu Become a supporting member of Liberty Lockdown here!: https://libertylockdown.locals.com/ This is where I do monthly AMA's for supporting members only Super valuable stuff! Twitter: https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod Pickup LL shirts over at https://www.toplobsta.com/products/ll-lakers?_pos=5&_sid=e7319ba4a&_ss=r&variant=40668064186434 NEW DESIGNS JUST DROPPED All links: https://www.libertylockdownpodcast.com/ Linktree: https://linktr.ee/libertylockdown As always, if you leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts with your social media handle I'll read it on next weeks show (audio version only)! Love you long time Liberty Lockdown presents a variety of opinions, sometimes opposing and controversial. They are not representative of the host of the podcast. Guests are encouraged to express their opinions in a safe and equitable environment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From Nick's perspective, I'm a limited hangout type of because
I won't go far enough to actually deny the Holocaust
or blame the Jews. I'll just talk about the clean
break strategy or whatever. But from our perspective, you guys
are just an albatross around our neck that just gives
them the loan. It's like, so, you see, these guys,
they got nothing they can really say about me, but
(00:20):
they can pivot to Nick. Welcome to Liberty Lockdown.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Let's gonna your flock home to Liberty in Companyeah, it's
on Hall. Where did it come from? And where did he?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to a rare live stream edition of Liberty Lockdown.
This is Clint Russell. I am thrilled today. Actually, the
first reason I'm thrilled just because we're at Ron Paul's
ninetieth birthday, which means that the legend is still with us,
hopefully for many more. If he's not here till his
hundredth I'm going to be very upset. But I think
even sweeter surprises that I get to actually do a
(00:51):
live show with some of my best buddies in this world.
We got Luke Rodowski, former co host of the best
political show with me, and we've got Dave Smith, host
of Part of the Problem with Robbie the Fire. I'll
give him a shoutout. And Scott Horton will be joining
us in a few minutes, so hang in there if
you want to be deluged with geopolitical analysis, will get there.
But I want to start, and actually Dave and I
(01:12):
were talking about this off screen. We're having some some
internescing battles, some beefs between our people. Nick fouintes. I
don't know if he's not it. I wouldn't say he's
our people, but he has been beefing hard with Candasillans
and Tucker Carlson. Curious what your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Are, Well, you know, it's it's an interesting situation. I
think that the you know, when Nick, I thought it
was great that Nick and Candace did their thing together.
I thought it was an interesting interview. There's a little
bit strange of the parts that were about me or
a little weird to you know, listen to. But I do.
(01:54):
I guess some of my broader thoughts on it are
like I think that can Cantice and Tucker are my guys.
I'm not saying a single bad thing about them. These
guys have been great to me. I also think that
they're very important figures. Right now, I didn't think that
was I didn't think it was wise or right the
(02:15):
way they went it. Fointe is on the episode that
they did together, and I think that, like, ble.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Im me a gay kid in his basement wasn't the
best way to handle it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Maybe yeah, and and look, we all know he is,
but you still don't say that out left. I'm just kidding,
but I'm genuinely just joking around. I think that the
way I look at it is like in this game.
You know. I know I've had this happen a lot
in my career, and so I can't like kind of
blame Nick for this, especially being someone who's you know,
(02:46):
fifteen years my junior or whatever. But I've had moments
where someone will attack me and I feel like, well,
I have to go back at you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I can't just let you say that unanswered, like, especially
when it's like a personal attack or something like that.
You know. I of that on Dave Rubin recently, just
because Dave Ruben's out there saying I'm a moron, and
I don't know what I'm talking about. So what can
I do other than go well to me and you
sit down and we'll see who doesn't know what they're
talking about, Dave Ruben of all people. Now, this is
(03:13):
a different situation than that. But so I understand where
Nick felt like he had to pull the knife out
because that's his brand. That's what he does, you know,
Like if you're Mike Tyson in his prime, you're like, well,
have you come thrown? You want a slug fest? Okay,
I'm the slugfest guy, you know, And that's what Nick is.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Candice is basically the same thing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Though in a lot of ways. Sure, I do think
that you know, if you do really care about these issues,
like say, if Nick foint As is like the Christian
who really cares about you know, kind of Israel Israeli
dominance over American policy, well then you also got a
think to yourself, hey, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because like Tucker Carlson and Canas Owns are like some
of the most vet it is. You cannot overstate how
valuable it is that these people who have millions of
right wing conservatives listening to them are preaching like a
Ron Paulyan non interventionist, like this is just like an
amazing thing. And so I think one of the things
that people, uh, you know, resent or don't like about
(04:16):
the gropers in general is that they feel like, yo,
you guys become this stain on all the rest of us.
And you see this with you know, when Jordan Peterson
goes on Joe Rogan and the topic of conversation is
my debate with Douglas Murray, and what does Jordan Peterson
go to right away? Well, there's these groupers, there's these
(04:36):
anti semites online. Because what's frustrating is that you from
our perspective, like from from Nick's perspective, I'm a limited
hangout type of because I won't go far enough to
actually deny the Holocaust or blame the Jews. I'll just
talk about the clean break strategy or whatever. But from
our perspective, you guys are just an albatross around our
neck that just gives them the loan. It's like, so
(04:58):
you see, these guys, they got nothing they can really
say about me, but they can pivot to Nick and
start talking about that.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So you know, they do the same thing with you,
with Daryl Cooper.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, yeah, sure, you know, and so I don't know.
I think the way I look at it in the
more in the broader sense is I think, whether it's
me or Darryl Cooper or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentez
or any of them, you know, all of us have
had people essentially trying to cancel us, trying to smear us,
trying to you know, attack our character without taking on
(05:30):
any of our arguments. I think we're kind of in
a new phase where cancel culture isn't working at least
at the moment. And you know what, however you feel
about Nick Fointe the same way however you feel about me,
I'm here. So if you want, if you want to
take on what I'm saying, then you got to take
on what I'm saying. And so I do think that,
Like I think at a certain point, Nick has earned
(05:51):
the fact that he's not going anywhere. He's been canceled
by everyone, and he's bigger than ever. So if that's
the case, then I do think I think in a
way that has to be incorporated.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Then you may not like this, or you may totally
get what I'm about to say, but I feel like
you and Nick are actually in a very similar position
in that you're both saying things that are kind of
third rail, or at least they had been historically. You
both are having kind of hit pieces and smear jobs
that are being pushed against you, and you're both kind
of vaunted debate opponents that if you disagree, neither of
(06:24):
you are gonna run away. And also you're ducked a
lot like Nick is kind of voldemort in the same
way that you are. I remember Shapiro for years wouldn't
say your name yeah, And it's like now, I think
Puentez was in that mold too, and now both of
you guys are of such prominence that it basically requires
people to say you by name yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
There's an interesting parallel there, for sure. Where like that
we both I mean, but it's not just us too, write,
I mean we are. We're both representatives in our own
way of the kind of non interventionist right, maybe him
being the identitarian non interventionist right and me being the
like liberty oriented non interventionists right. But I mean that
was I think the playbook for everyone, you know, is that, yeah,
(07:09):
you pretend they don't exist, and if you ever bring
him up, it's just to smear them. We're in a
world now where that's just like that's just changed, you know,
Like however you feel about Andrew Tate, he's here. It
like you gotta either take it on or not. Like
if you want to ignore it and just pretend it's
not it doesn't exist and move on, fine, But the
just the drive by, like I would feel, right, there
(07:33):
are people who I don't want to sit down in
debate for different reasons. You know. There are some people
because they're the Tom it's just easy work. I don't
want to. I love his family. I don't want to
keep that to them. No, But there are people right
there are people who they don't have a high enough profile.
There's there's libertarians. I saw some of them today on Twitter,
some of the you know, libertarian theory bros, who are
(07:54):
furious that I won't sit down and debate with them.
I just don't find it interesting enough or or valuable
enough use of my time to debate, whether you know,
to debate a Zulu on whether homeless people taking a
shit in the park are heroes, Like I'm just I'm
not interested in that, And I understand where that's frustrating
to him. But like, you know, that's life. And then
there's other people who I probably have big numbers, maybe
(08:15):
would do, but I just have so little respect for them,
or I just find their whole thing to be gross.
So I don't know, but if I go on Joe
Rogan and I start trashing a person by name, I
feel like I have to be willing to sit down
and debate there.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
There's an obligation there.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So if Jordan Peterson's gonna do that, then that should
be followed up with, like sit down with and why
is it? Like, you know, even the other day, I
get someone who's been very good to me personally who
I and I appreciate that. You know, Charlie Kirk I'm
talking about he took a lot of heat for hosting
me at that thing and he didn't buckle on that,
so like I respect that, but you know, when he
(08:48):
said the thing again, he got a caller the other day.
I don't know if you saw this asking about Nick
Foyn sees this video has gone viral and he's like,
I don't debate trolls, and you're like, dude, you debates
and pro abortion people. I mean, you debate, so how
do you sit here and say he made.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
His career just demolishing those Yes, like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You debate the worst of the worst. Yet here's a
kid who on the right wing got a big enough
audience that you're getting asked questions about him all the time,
and your your argument is going to be, no, that's
that's beyond the pal like. I just find that, you know,
I don't know how you justify that from a right
wing position. From a left wing worldview, I can understand
(09:28):
how you bet. I can't platform that the maoist is misguided,
but the right wing racialist is evil. I just don't
know how that plays in a not woke progressive space.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't think it does, and I don't think that's
gonna last. But I want to get Lucan here, what's
your thoughts with the kind of identitarian right wing versus
the non interventionist libertarian right wing, And do you think
that it's it's indicative of us making progress that this
is even a discussion, that this is kind of like
the mainstream of the debate right now.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
I feel like we have become the mainstream. I feel
like for a very long time, it was the corporate
media attacking independent media, and I think we reached the
phase where people are, yeah, the attacks are helping us,
let's attack each other. Now there's no one else to
attack us. Specifically, CNN lost all kind of relevancy, They
lost their audience. So, you know, I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
If you drag Rachel Mattow, it's not going to get clicks.
If you drag Candie Owns, that's what we actually get.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Because we are the establishment, we are the media, and
I think you know, a lot of people are getting
caught up in the drama, and they love the drama,
and I think a certain amount of it is being
played up in the algorithms to kind of spur on
this kind of divide and this divide and conquer, when
in reality we have a lot more in common. We
could let go of the personal issues from the nineteen thirties, like, okay,
we don't have to discuss the nineteen thirties every single day. Now,
(10:40):
we could discuss foreign policy, the Jeffrey Epstein client list.
I think we should really centralize our focus right now
instead of just oh, I dunked on him, she dunked
on me. We're getting all these clicks, We're getting all
this attention. I try to avoid a lot of the drama.
I always have because I find it ridiculous. But I
think a lot of people see this as a vehicle
to kind of prop themselves up, when in reality, I
(11:01):
think right now we're at one of the most critical
junctures of our time where we got to let go
of the petty differences and we got to make sure
because right now we're talking about an elite pedophile or
ring of individuals that are still being predicted. We're on
tax dollars, all right. That is an extremely dangerous situation
that the vast majority of people are saying, we got
to get it out. We have to keep focusing on that.
(11:23):
We have to keep focusing on trying to prevent the
war again unfolding in Iran. We have to try to
prevent the war from exploding in Ukraine. We have to
focus and nail in this conversation since this administration the
first time is listening, but now they're looking at a
kind of social media aspect where everyone's just kind of
attacking each other. I think the arguments are stupid. I
think it was not the smartest of thing for Tucker
(11:44):
Carlson to kind of call Nick this kind of basement dweller.
I thought Nick's response kind of owning it, was brilliant
and very smart. Yes, he's good at that. I think
Charlie Kirk deleting his live stream also makes some more infamous.
Nick is infamous as he is because he was put
on the no fly list because he was debanked because
he had a mad man with a gun who tried
(12:05):
to kill him show up to his house. All right,
when we look at that type of lure, whether you
agree with him or not, you can't dismiss him. Yeah,
you can't dismiss him at all. So whether I agree
with his ideas or not, we should have respect for him, right,
and respect for his ideas, but engage in a civil discussion.
But we shouldn't make that the central focus point, since
obviously we're at a critical juncture where we're either save
(12:28):
the Republic.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Or we're gonna just continue down.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Because if there ever is a chance for us to
make it out of this healscape, of this Ponzi scheme,
of this Federal Reserve, fractional like lie that we're all
living under that's financing the war machine and the pedophiles.
If there ever was a chance for us ever to
get anything done it is now.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good time to say it. That
run Paul's birthday.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah yeah. And you know, if I could, you know,
just a couple things to what Luke was saying there,
because I think part of that, like I've noticed that
myself in my show. I talked about it a bit.
My show was that it was and it really did
kind of change with Donald Trump being elected in twenty
four where I just I would for many years a
huge part of the content I would put out would
(13:11):
just be tearing up the corporate media and it'd be
Brian Stelter clips or Rachel Maddow clips and there this
is the propaganda now, but look at all the holes
and out, let's tear this apart. And it did feel
like after this last election that almost felt cheap and unnecessary,
and like what am I going to go through MSNBC
right now and find what the daytime hosts that MSNBC
(13:34):
are saying and then be like, look right, they're still
saying look stuff. But I could dunk on this. It's
like my show gets more viewers than that show. This
is now me picking on the little but it did
still seem relevant to say, oh, Ben Shapiro just said
this advocating for the war or this guy, because these
guys at least have big audiences. Yeah, so that was
part of what drove you know, that change. But I
(13:55):
also always, you know, to your point, I always felt
this way, but probally quick.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Can we all just get together and dunk on Ben Shapiro?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Can we just's? That's all?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I like, can we all just we all agree?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Is where people treat you know, and you remember for years, Clint,
we had these this argument with other libertarians. But like
people treat you know, the all the alt right guys
and Nick Fuentes like it's almost like a thing like
what are you guys all so scared of? Exactly? Like
sit down with them, dude, how bad do you think
this is going to go for you? Like, I don't know.
I sat down with them three times. I came out unscathed.
(14:33):
I never like was like, oh my god, he destroyed me.
It didn't stop my career trajectory or whatever it's like happen.
Just go in there and actually back up your argument.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But I think I have an answer for that. I
think that the reality is is that Nick makes some
really compelling points that you and I don't have a
problem with addressing because we're accustomed to were Like, we're
sincere when we say American first, and we're sincere when
we say not in intervention. So when they when Nick
throws at them a bunch of connections to Israel, Charlie
(15:02):
Kirk can't fire back.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He doesn't, He doesn't. Yeah, there's they're worried, or at
least some of them, I think, are worried about being
exposed for their own you know, hypocrisy or areas that
they don't have a defense.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is my point. But Charlie is capable of winning
that debate if he's able to be honest. He's not
able to be honest. And I'm gonna say this because
I know you can't because of TPUSA, because of the
donors that he has that the.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, I'll say that. Listen, listen, I'll know there is
nothing that I'm not able to say or or won't say.
You know, I try to preface like he's been good
to me, but the fact is right, that's it. He's
he's in a different game than we're at I'm talking shit,
Nick is talking shit. That's a different game than trying
to build a huge political apparatus to get out the
(15:43):
youth vote. And he needs big money, he needs donors.
He has he has to. But right like, like listen,
if Charlie Kirk came out and said what I say
about Israel turning point USA doesn't exist anymore, Yes, that's
just a fact. Nobody yet there is no He took
so much for a host for my knowing a debate
between me and another guy.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And you're a huge draw too, and it's.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh, you know, yeah, well that business. That's the whole
thing that's going on now is that it's it's in
such a beautiful irony. It's the market that save in
the libertarian ideas.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But I will say that I do feel to connect
this to Ron Paul, it being his birthday event. I
think that a lot of us who came up in
the Ron Paul movement we did have. This is what
my speech today was kind of about. But he was
such a good role model for us, and he was
so real with all the stuff he was saying that
it kind of inoculated us against some of this other
But I will say that I do have like I
(16:38):
have no sympathy for the establishment and the power brokers
that ruined this country and bankrupted the next generation. I
have a lot of sympathy for people who are members
of the next generation who end up going into radical
politics one way or the other because they hate this
establishment that ruined their country so much. And whether that's
left wing kids who are embracing socialism or right wing
(17:00):
kids who are embracing fascism, I get it. We travel
in radical political circles, and when you're a political radical,
the way all three of us are. One thing that's
very hard to ignore is that the stuff that we're
talking about is stuff that could drive you crazy, Like
it's stuff that's worth dying over. Like it's like it's
like what like you were just mentioned in the pedophilia ring.
(17:22):
I mean our government robbing us to fund al Qaeda,
our goverment slaughtering babies like path I mean just.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Like rist grips and false flag attacks.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Thing is that you're like, yo, this is worth me
grabbing a rifle and going and dying. Now, we kind
of came out of the Ron Paul school, so we're like, hey,
look there's a better way, and you want to be
saying we also recognize that like this is we live
under this horrible perversion of capitalism, and that the answer
is actually to have the government stop doing that. But
I understand where young kids are pushed into radical politics,
(17:52):
and I've always seen our role as like the next
generation of Ron Paulian's, that our role is to talk
to those young radical you know kids, and explains to
them where like they're right to hate the system, but
that this is a better answer. I don't think our role,
or the role of Jordan Peterson of all people, is
to call them the dark tet tread of psychopathic psychopathy
(18:15):
or something like what are you doing? Man? Your whole
job is to talk to those disaffected young men.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like so, even more than Tucker Carlson has, you know,
put himself up as this defender of these begotten or ill,
ill fated youth, Jordan Peterson made his entire career being
the messenger and a defender of those people. And then
Nick flent Is, who really embodies exactly what Jordan Peterson
was describing for all those years, and all of his
(18:41):
supporters are like exactly what Jordan Peterson talked about, and
then just to write them off his psychopaths is like,
it's such an abandonment of I think what made me
respect Jordan Peterson so much is that you put yourself
up as these people savior in a way. And then
and then as soon as they like stepped, you know,
one degree out of line with your funding source at
(19:01):
the Daily Wire, you abandoned them.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well also when like, hey, you want to talk about
you know, psychopathic tendencies, like you tweeted give them hell
to Benjamin Nett and Yahoo and you know what he
gave them Hell Gazza has been hell for two years.
Since then, I mean Hell, Jordan Peterson's whole thing. You know,
Hell is real, how it exists? Do you remember he
(19:24):
was on when he was on Rogan, he started talking
about how Hell is real and Hell exists? And what
did Joe say without batting an eye? Because it's just
the most obvious thing ever. He goes look at Gaza
and then you watch Jordan Peterson just get uncomfortable. It's like, oh,
so that so, you know, And the other thing to me,
as people who like, hey, I do think the hating
Jews stuff is a bad road to go down. I
think racialism is toxic and I think a lot of
(19:44):
that stuff that they're Like, I do think Nick foint
Is is trafficking in.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Some bad ideas.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But then, hey, you know what, I think a kid
who's listening to Nick fuentt as sure could use Jordan Peterson.
Aren't you the guy to talk to them about this? Like?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
What? So?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That's that? To me? Is what's so funky about? Like
the whole way this thing has been handle that old again,
it just gives him more power.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Not the vaccinated Peterson.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The old vaccinated Peterson has never.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Been an a believer that his body's been snatched.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
He's probably his mind probably was hijacked by the.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
He's had some issues for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
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speaking of people who appear to have been body snatched
and replaced, I wanted to get your guys opinion on
the Trump administration round two. There has been obviously a
lot of broken promises. I don't think any of us
(20:58):
went into this, even though I think all three of
us were first time Trump voters, or at least the
two of us were. I think maybe I voted for
him all the time in the past, Okay, but so
I don't think any of us had extraordinarily lofty goals.
It was like, hey, no World War three, free Ross, Yeah,
(21:18):
some justice for the COVID era maybe if.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
We're lucky, a little bit less government in our lives, yeah,
a little less of the boots stopping our face.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And he's done good with the getting rid of some
of the DEI stuff. So I'm appreciative. I'm not going
to paint at all as negative, but I think on
net it hasn't been extremely positive.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It's not all bad, but the satanic pedophiles are still
running around.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They're still running out.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That's the bad part.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah, that and a few other things.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
There's a couple you know, sacrifice of human beings and
war and you know.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But what do you guys think? I mean? Is he
is he compromised through the Epstein operation? Is he compromised
in terms of financial connections that make it impossible? Is
it just him doing the bidding of his donors. There's
two ways to really think about this.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
If you're going to be generous to him, you're going
to say that he's being threatened, right, And I think
that's a possibility, right, And we don't know what's going
on here until we actually get the documents. We actually
know what's going on here. But the statements, the flippant
kind of one eighties. He did it four times within
the last few days. I think it's absolutely just ridiculous
if you really want to be generous. The conspiracy theory
(22:22):
is he's being threatened and he's making it really obvious
to everyone who's really in charge, and the intelligencies are
in charge, and that's why he's handling it so poorly,
because he has no other outlet, because they're gonna, you know,
take his life or take the life of this family.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
That's theory one. Theory two.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
He sees this Epstein list as like the Ring of Sauron.
He's like, I could do so many things with this.
I could have so much power. I could blackmail Washington, DC.
If I'm a part of the club, and if I
protect the club, then I'm able to of course wheel
power get my agenda through. But I'm more thinking of
the likelihood of the threats because he lost so much
political leverage, he lost so much support, he lost so
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much of the kay kind of influencers and people that
made him who he is that it just doesn't it
just doesn't make sense. So we don't know exactly what's
going on here. All we know is that they're lying.
There's dangerous predators out there that are extremely powerful, that
are still hurting children, and this is an issue that
is never going to go away. So I think either
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of those two theories are true. Based on your own
kind of emotional, kind of attachment to Trump, You're gonna
believe in one of those two things right now, because
there's no other other explanation other than he's being blackmailed
or he's being threatened.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't know. I think the
other explanation is that Donald Trump is compromised by Donald
Trump's brain, which was never that impressive to begin with,
and all he has all types of bad priors. You know,
Donald Trump really is He's not, like I've been saying
this for so many years now, but he is just
not what the left wing projects onto him, and he's
not what the right wing projects onto him. He's so
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obviously he is a guy with a crippling level of
narcissism that allows him to a quite a bit. I mean,
he's a high functioning narcissist, but it is also like
this just damning disorder where like he you know, it's
like Donald Trump will do this thing where he kind
of like he'll kind of someone will say something about,
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oh Obama said this or he said that, and he goes, uh,
you know, and the building, the White House actually looks
much nicer now than it did under Obama. Under Obama
they had all the wrong paintings on the walls, but
they have all the best paintings on the walls now.
And we all kind of at this point laugh because
that's so funny. But like, Trump is not trying to
be funny. He is seriously trying to point out that
the White House is so much more terrific under him
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than it was under Robi. He's that guy. And I
think it's as simple as the fact that that when
it finally came due with the I think his name
was all over the goddamn files. I think every powerful
person in d C was over. He got a ton
of heat coming down on him, and he caved because
that's ultimately what he always does. What he really cares
about is his own legacy, his own image, him winning.
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That's all that's ever motivated Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
His image is ruined, his image is come. This is
his legacy.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but that's the whole That's what hubrist does is
you think you could you You are so motivated by
your own image that you end up destroying your own image.
It's a Greek tragedy as old as time. But the
fact is that Donald Trump, I think right now, in
a weird way, everything's going exactly according to plan, which
is what I always thought was that, Hey, this is
gonna be the podcasters carried Donald Trump to the presidency
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and then look, I would have hoped, best case scenario,
he ended up doing really great, and we could all
just be like, oh, wonderful. But then more realistically, he's
gonna he's gonna disappoint in a devastating manner, and all
these podcasters are gonna turn on him. And I think
that one of the most fascinating things here is that
that is really happening. There was never a situation. There
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was never a situation in our lives where there's anything
quite like the dynamic right now. There was never a situation.
You remember when George W. Bush came in and then
he ended up being a complete disaster. And then you
remember when Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity turned on No
because of course they would never like they were gonna
defend him. Now, Rachel Maddow was never turning on Barack Obama.
But Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens and Joe Rogan and
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Theo Vaughn and Andrew Schultz and like all these people
with millions and millions of viewers are totally and the
Democrats aren't getting any of their their Did you see
that Donald Trump came in. If you look at the
polls his first day of his second term, he has
the highest approval rating he's ever had in either term.
The Democrats are in the dumps. They're at twenty four percent.
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Donald Trump has now come down to having his lowest
approval rating in both terms. The Democrats are at twenty
four percent. They didn't get one point of benefit from
Donald Trump's numbers collapsing, because even though we're his support,
we all know the Democrats are no credibility on any
of these. So we live in this new time now
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where the whole establishment really is spinning out. The corporate
media is dead, They're not. You know, remember I was
arguing with Michael Tracy and a couple of these guys
who are like, oh, that when Donald Trump wins, CNN's
ratings are going to go right back up, and I
was like, no, they're not, not this time. And man,
I got that one right.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think the strongest thing supporting your theory is Operation
Warp Speed. But you know, we're all retarded, But I
don't think Trump is that retarded to be, to be
quite honest with you, because I think he mean, we're
all special, okay, But but you say not dumb enough
to think Operation Warp Speed was the success. No, No, I'm
saying the strongest thing you have for your argument is
operation Warp Speed with him still touting it, which right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
But you're saying he's not dumb enough to actually think
that that was a successful.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
But no, no, I'm not even arguing about that. I'm
arguing about the Epstein stuff. I think he has a
lot of advisors around him, a lot of people with
him that are telling him the real kind of situation,
and he's not immune to that. That's why I think
something else is happening here other than his hubris.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think there's I think it'd be very easy for
Trump and people around Trump and the political consultant class
to think that this will die down, This won't be
that big. People care about the price of gas and
the price of healthcare. People are this is the story
of the day, this will go I think you have
to actually have your finger on the pulse, which we
might take for granted a little bit because that's the
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world we live in, to realize how much this is
not going away, and this is really going to devastate you.
So like, I don't know, And by the way, I'm
not saying you could be right about either one of
those theories. It's quite possible. He's being threatened, his family's
being threatened, he was shot in the face. I mean, like,
you know, there's all these possibilities. But it's also like
the fact is that Donald Trump was terrible on so
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many of these issues his first term and he's come
right back to being terrible on them in his second term.
And we were just hoping with people like I know
Tulcy Gabbert is here somewhere today, maybe someone could ask her.
That was unbelievable that she found out the intelligence that
Iran was only weeks away from a nuke, and that
intelligence only came out exactly when Israel bombed them. I
thought that was a crazy coincidence that she was at
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Maybe she could explain that.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But you know, it's like, the thing is that a
lot of us, a lot of us got They put
these people like Dan Bongino and Cash Battal and Tolsy
Gabbard who have been saying the right things for a
lot of years in and so there was some hope
that maybe that would translate into something, but we all
should have been We've been in this for so many
years to know, Washington, DC changes a man or a woman.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
But I will say though, I mean, there are some
differences in Trump Roun two that are so egregious that
it makes me feel that I signed more with Luke
on him being compromised or threatened in a way, particularly
the bombing of the nuclear sites, particularly handing Gaza and
basically like just writing a blank check to the Israelis
to be like, whatever you're gonna do with Gaza, you're
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gonna do like he is, he is not having any say,
and then he's sending more munitions to Ukraine. These are
just such like foundational promises to his campaign and really
who he purported himself to be for the entire four
years he wasn't president from twenty to twenty four that
it makes me feel as if there is something heavier
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hanging over his head than just hubris or pride or
thinking he can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well it did look, I mean, the Jeffrey Ebstein stuff.
Who knows, who knows how implicated he actually is in
all of that. I mean, Scott yeaheah. I mean, it's
it's pretty bad, right, Luke. I mean, just like what
we do know is that it's not like Donald Trump
like was at Jeffrey Epstein's parties once or was on
the airplane once he was basically living out of mar
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A Lago. He was, he was, Jeffrey Epstein was on
record saying Trump was his best friend. Trump's on record
talking about how Jeffrey Ebstein's the only one who likes
the girls more than him, and he likes him really young.
There was like an exact quote from Donald Trump. So
who knows, Maybe there is something there. I'm not saying
that's impossible. You don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
There's circumstantial evidence alluding to the fact that there's less
kind of smoke. But who knows now, Because if you're
ever gonna act as guilty as you are right now,
we're gonna have a lot of serious questions about it.
The fact is this is not going to go away. Yeah,
going to be a key issue for the midterms. This
is going to be a key issue for twenty twenty eight.
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This is an issue that I've been talking about for
fifteen years personally myself, and I think it's a very
important one. I think, you know, I do believe there
might be one or two advisers saying this is going
to go away. Don't worry about it the price of it,
but overwhelmingly, I think ever since Lock Her Up, there
has been this kind of taste that the American people
felt of like, we need to do something about this
two tier justice system because if we don't, the criminals
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are going to keep running over us. And I think
this is why this is going to be a bigger
issue than I think anyone ever expects it to be,
because this represents the draining of the swamp. This represented
the cleaning of the swamp. This represents the end of
the swamp which has hijacked our government, taken it over,
and allowed the special interest groups to essentially do whatever
they want with us.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, and draining the swamp wasn't a campaign promised by
Donald Trump. It was his raison deetra. It was the
entire reason that he exists politically, and so for him
to what is very transparently obvious everyone for him to
cave in order to protect the swamp and the worst
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element of the swamp. I mean, Jesus Christ, that is
I agree with you. I think it's devastating. I don't
think he'll ever be viewed, you know, whether or not
you can read it in approval poll results. I don't
think he'll ever be viewed by his hardcore supporters in
the same way that he was after caven on Epstein.
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And I think for much more than just him. I mean,
I think for Dan Bongino and for Cash Patel, I
think they are I'm sure there are all people in power.
They'll go get some book publishing deal, or they'll get
a position on a weapons company or something, but in
terms of like having the support of the people, I
think they're all ruined over this.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
For me, this is my kind of theory here. I
think this has a lot more to do with the
intel agencies, whether it's i'm sorry, intell agencies, whether it's
the CIA or the masade I think either or five
all of them. I think there's an element, criminal element
of them that still has a huge amount of power,
huge amount of weight, to the point where I think
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they're pulling a lot of the strings now. And I
think that's why we're seeing such kind of declarative actions.
The fact that we're seeing in such a ever so
aggressive way under Donald Trump, I think is also very
kind of indicative of they're still calling the shots, they're
still running the show. In my opinion, because they're getting
everything that they want plus even more now, including two
major attacks. And this is what I think we really
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have to think about now, and this is why I've
kind of been.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
A little worried more than I usually am.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We had two major attacks on two nuclear facilities internationally,
on the Russian nuclear Air Force, on the Iranian nuclear
nuclear sites as well. I think there could be a
possibility that in history we look back on this time
and this was the start of a bigger conflict than
we could even kind of realize.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
We are already in right now, and we've been making.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Margament that the West has already started the new Uclar
War by going after the nuclear war might of the
Iranians and the Russians.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, the funny thing about revolutions and world wars is
that nobody ever goes all right, today's day one exactly.
You know, you figure that out in the history books later,
You don't necessarily, you know, if you're living through the
first day of a world war, the first day of
a revolution, nobody actually tells you that it started already.
And sure, that is the big concern with this, especially
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when you look at look, I mean, thank god, it
does seem like there's been some positive movement on the
Ukraine situation. In the last couple of days they announced
that there's going to be talks. That's a big deal.
Not trying to downplay that, but you got the country
with the biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons engaged in an
active proxy war with the United States now going on
three years. You got al Qaeda holding down Syria in
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what is certainly just halftime of this show, like this
is going somewhere that's going to be very bad. And
of course you have the situation with a RAM, which
is it's totally unclear what the results of this are
and what the Mullas do in response to this. They've
already talked about kicking the inspection regime out. Who knows
if they do that? Whoa this guy? Well, we got
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seventeen minutes left, so Scott will ask you one question.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
That's literally how it works the show. Get to see it.
I'm sorry, this is quite quite the foursome. I feel
like I'm back in college. Anyways.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You're showing too much skin too.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, No, I mean I
think this is what's so frustrating about the pushback that
particularly ar Camp gets is that, you know, we're really
nervous after Donald Trump and America, the largest military in history,
just arbitrarily basically decides to bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran,
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and then we're like, well, that could go really badly
because the Iranians could strike American bases that are.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I wouldn't say. I don't think we arbitrarily chose to
bomb a rant. We objectively chose to do what Israel
wants us to do, and Israel arbitrarily chose.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Again, we protect them afterwards from any kind of legitimate
consequences of their actions.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Right, well, And I appreciate topic, man, what I missed.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I appreciate it. I appreciate the clarification. But the point
that I'm trying to get to is that this is
what we don't know. We don't know when the tipping
point goes from Oh, this is just you know, us
being a proxy for the Israelis and doing whatever they want,
and ultimately Iran is going to cave and they're gonna
kneel and blah blah blah, or they actually go, yeah,
we're gonna respond because we feel as if our back
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is against the wall and we have no pathway out,
and we're gonna kill two hundred and fifty American troops
and then all of a sudden, World War III is
actually upon us and you just don't know. And it's
just it's so frustrating that we get this Panikin label
or this other nonsense that they throw at us when
the worst possible thing doesn't come to pass and they go,
see told you, and it's like, well, we were just
saying that's on the that's on the list of possibilities.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But yeah, but I, at least from my experience, man,
I just with the Iran thing, and then I guess
it's just from like a pr point of view or whatever.
The Epstein thing coming in right next kind of helped,
you know, the our camp because we were being so
critical of Donald Trump. But all that stuff, I'm just
finding that it's like it's just not working. Like there's
you want to sit here, the warhawks want to see,
oh see, this was perfect, and you guys were worried
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about whatever. It's like, dude, that's just not convincing anyone.
Like it's like, but why did we even need to
bomb this country? You never even try, You never even
sold the people on there was a legitimate threat here.
So I just found I've found with all of it,
like it's been unbelievable, how many different things they've tried
to throw it the non interventionists as we've been rising
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in prominence, and how.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
All of them are falling flat.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
But it doesn't even on the question how easy that
war was. It's not over yet. They're not yeah to
give up their nuclear program right. Trump's now bought the
Israeli's definition of a nuclear weapons program as being any
enrichment in Iran at all. So either he's gonna climb
all the way down from that, or the war's going
to continue and they're gonna end up talking themselves into
a change as the only way to permanently prevent Iran
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from choosing to attempt to make a nuclear bomb. And
so I could have just been the first act, and
he doesn't have to be World War three to be
just an absolute.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Catastrophe in Persia. Of course, way more than we bargained for.
This is a question that I asked Luke and Dave earlier,
but I didn't you weren't here yet, so I wanted
to ask you, what do you think it is about
Donald Trump and his kind of blank check to the Israelis.
Is it is it just the Atosen money or does
it go deeper?
Speaker 8 (38:32):
I mean, that's the obvious answer. I don't think anybody
knows any worse than that.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Look, I mean in the Republican Party, everybody always does
whatever the Israelis say, Like, nobody at those levels are like,
oh no, I can't believe it.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
She's so close to the Lakud. They're all so close
to the Lacud.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right, But there was there was this belief that Donald
Trump was a real boy to some extent, you know,
well to some extent. I mean, why why have the media.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
And everyone not a senator or a gotherr?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So he was himself, but that doesn't make him like
one of us, but not one of them.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
No, far far from being one of us. I'm just saying,
why why have you? Why? Why have seven hundred years
in prison over his head? Why have the bullet grazed
his head? Why have the media run ops against him
for eight year straight? If he's just as much a
puppet of the Israelis as everybody else, doesn't that seem weird?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Well, it's not all about Israel, And I mean if
you look at and I don't really know who was
behind those assassination attempts.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
I don't know if anybody really does.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
But like the the closest.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Yeah, we know that, the closest association that we have
to someone who would actually want Trump dead is with
the second shooter or attempted shooter down in Florida and
Ruth who was right who everybody.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Said he was in a blackwater ad. I wasn't a
blackwater ad.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It was a video of a protest by the Azov
Battalion Nazis in Ukraine. And so if anybody put it
up to him, it would have been those guys put
him up to it.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
It's what I meant to say. So, but I don't
really know about that.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I mean, as far as the impeachment and Russia Gate
and all that, it was, well, first of all, is
about trying to prevent him from becoming the presence so
Hillary could have It was the first thing. But then
also it is because he wanted to end the Cold
War with Russia and they want to have a Cold
war with Russia.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
So that wasn't all about Israel.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
In fact, you know it was if you go back
to sixteen, it was the Israelis are the only major
power faction that backed him. He could get a couple
of generals from the Army and the Marines to back him,
stand up there next to him. But you know, this
time around was a bit different. But back then it
was essentially the lobby was the only major group that
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supported him.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know, I remember Rothbard, right, I can't remember the
name of this piece, but there's two different pieces that
I'm thinking of, but one of them is the famous
Paleo you know what the what was it, conservatism, a
New Strategy or something whatever. That piece was where he
starts off with the David Duke stuff. And people always,
I think, were that this was like one of the
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most controversial articles that Rothbard ever wrote. But I also
think that a lot of people, I mean, he said
some pretty provocative things in it, but a lot of
people also read stuff that he wasn't saying in it.
And the section where he opened up talking about David Duke,
what he was saying was he was like, because I'm
old enough to like remember this when when David Duke
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ran for governor and he goes dude, the way the
national media freaked out over this guy was unbelievable, and
I mean they sent everyone, including Tim Russert from Meet
the Press and like everyone to try to take him down.
And he was talking about why the establishment gets so
freaked out about like a right wing populace like this,
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and he makes the point that he's like, look, they
say it's because he used to be in the KKK,
But like Bird in the Senate used to be in
the KKK and all these other guys, that's not actually
their problem. Their problem is this. And it would have
been so interesting if Rothbart had covered Donald Trump's sentence.
But one of the things I think he had another
piece I can't remember the name of it where he
just talked about how they go out of their way
to make politics boring and they really don't like people
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who make it exciting. You know, politics is kind of
naturally an exciting thing. They're a leader of men, give me,
give me liberty, or give me death, but they turn
it into a bunch of nerds sitting there like we're
gonna have a conversation about whether thirty nine percent or
thirty six percent should be the top marginal rate. And
they like the population to be pacified that they really
don't like right wing populism the most. That's the one
(42:34):
that scares them the most, because the right wing men
are the toughest men in the country. And if you
start getting the barrel chested men worked up about how
like the elites are screwing you over and lock her
up and to hell with this whole thing. And I
think that that was enough of a combination for them
to be freaked out about Donald Trump. And he's also
got that syndrome where he can't stop whatever thought comes
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into his mouth from coming out, and he'd start saying
stuff like Obama created ISIS and people were like, yo,
what is he saying?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Bernie Iraq for oil?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He's yeah, yeah, even and and look he literally Bush
doing not.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Learned in Iraq for oil. He got that one wrong.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
They're all incompetent.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
No one in Washington deserves their position, and they're just
like you know, of course they were.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
You made a lot, so you made you made a
lot of enemies with all of this stuff. But none
of that actually means, which Rothbard didn't say in the piece,
that David Duke is right about the most provocative you know,
like standing that he has, and none of that means
that Donald Trump is really Donald Trump really was always
a dumber version of Rudy Guliani. Like that's really what
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Donald Trump is. Rudy Giuliani is much more well read
than Donald Trump is, you know, And so I.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Think it's populist.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now that's a fair point also, but also for the record,
you know, Donald Trump is, he's a pure marketer. He
says what he thinks is going to go over. Well,
all you gotta do. Listen to Donald Trump when he
was a when he was considering running on the Reform
Party in two thousand and he had to attack Pat Buchanan,
and the way he attacked him was saying, he's a Nazi,
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he's a bigot, he doesn't like gay people. Because in
the year two thousand, in the zeitgeist, that's what Donald
Trump thought was the way he marginalized. Now in the
year twenty sixteen, in the zeitgeist, he figured out that actually,
I should run all the way to the right on immigration,
I should attack because that's what he's good at is
knowing what's going to play well with a crowd.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Well, I think that's the interesting dynamic going all the
way back to the first topic that I brought up
is that it felt a little bit as if Tucker
Carlson was attacking Nick fuent As with the two thousands
Trump against Buchanan kind of mindset. And I feel like
the environment has changed so dramatically that Fuentes is kind
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of third rail ideology, is more within the realm of
acceptable or allow, you know, Toma Woods three by five
card appliable opinion.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know, I think Nick did a good job of
playing into that, because this is what he's really good at,
his blood sport, Internet wars. The truth is, I think
Nick Fuentes has probably attacked a bunch of people for
being poor in the past. I'm sure he's attacked people
for living in their mom's base and stuff like that.
And the truth is, if you are like, it's like, look,
I know this is just from being a comedian. If
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there's someone Heckler who you hate, who's in the front
row and he's a four hundred pound Indian dude and
he's just you hate him, the first thing that comes
to your mind is you're like, shut up, you fat Indian.
You probably smell it curage, like it's just the first
thing doesn't mean you even have to have anything against
fat Indians. It's just I don't know. I wanted to
get you, and that was the lowest hanging fruit that
was right in front of me. And so if Tucker's
(45:40):
pissed off at nick Foint, does the go to is
like listen, child, who's in the closet, who lives with
your mom. That's just kind of the go to eat
lowest hanging fruit. So I think Tucker just wanted to
take shots. Like I said, he probably shouldn't have. But
you know, with the Trump thing, I just don't I
don't think he was ever the real deal. I still
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think it was better for the country that he won
than Kamala Harris winning this last time.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
I agree with that, But let me see if we
agree for the same reason. I think it's because a
lot of the people had so much faith and hope
in Donald Trump that if he had been kept from
the White House again, there would always have been the
what if, Like, oh my god, Donald Trump, you have
no idea what he would have done. You would have
had the deep state gone down, you would have had
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Epstein in the list and all this, and World War
three would have been avoided, and it's like, now all
of us get to go.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Not true, Well, that's one tiny benefit or that's one
the benefit. I don't put that as the number one.
I think the two the biggest benefits of Donald Trump
winning number one. Where you know, you know, there's like
a certain level of indignity that is just unbearable, Like
there's just as you know, if you were with a
chick and she just got like way too drunk and
(46:56):
started trying to make out with your friend in front
of you, you'd be like, I just can't. Now, we
can't be together anymore. This is just And as a country,
having Kamala Harris elected our president would be we just
can't exist anymore. Yeah, you can't. I couldn't look at
my children in the face. If Kamala Harris was the
present like.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
That, shit would have been so funny just daily well.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
No, I mean, but well we all felt that way.
And then Joe Biden wasn't that funny.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
No, no, no, But she was actually even worse. She was
actually substantially worse than Joe.
Speaker 8 (47:23):
Biden running as him. Yeah, which was funny.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
But the major thing that I think was the biggest
benefit of Donald Trump winning and I with all due respect,
I know Lynn is here too, so like okay, Russ
Allbrick being freed, you know up there. But uh, it
was it was really the destruction of the corporate media,
and it was the moment when they had to admit it,
and they all admit it. And it changed very quickly
after the twenty four They went from for eight years,
(47:50):
from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, the story of
the corporate media was still it was still Brian Stelter
getting on TV and going the fringe Joe Rogan, right,
he would still do that every day for this weird
little piggy gay inflection and be like, oh, look at
this guy over here while he's speaking a three hundred
thousand people and Joe Rogan speaking of fifteen million people.
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He'd still be like the fringe Joe Rogan. After this election,
they all went, we got to find our own Joe Rogan.
They all admitted that they're not the mains and shocking
it was, well, that's right, but that is a prerequisite
to us ever doing anything, is that we had to
crack their propaganda apparatus.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Say what you made about Trump? He opened up the
Pandora box of populism. Yeah, the people have gotten a
taste and idea of what government could look like if
it's not run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
And that idea is going to be with people.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
That idea of not having a war, that idea of
not being sold down the river is addictive, and I
think that's what the American people want. So I think
that kind of energy, that kind of tenure is still
with us. His supporters are criticizing him because he's not
following through, and I think that's beautiful, and I think
that's a great No. I'm happy Ross is free. I'm
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happy that J sixers are free.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
But I think overall, and I always said this, you know,
elections aren't about the politician.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
They are about the ideas.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
And the idea of liberty and freedom and self ownership
have galvanized the American people to vote for Donald Trump.
He may not be the vehicle, but he started something
that an idea's time has come that rom Paul was
a big part of. And I think we are headed
towards greater places because of him.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Well, I think that's why I keep circling back to this.
This fuint does versus you versus Tucker debate is I
really feel as if the inflection point now is are
we going to be a kind of identitarian nationalist, non
interventionist right wing or are we going to be the
non identitarian, more libertarian version of that. And I think
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that it's a very important fight to be had. And
I don't think that dismissing Quintas and his camp is
the pathway forward. I don't think we's missing him as. No,
I'm not saying that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
No, No, No, I agree with you. No, I don't think
dismissing I just think that it's like ultimately the best
go Like, listen, just the fact that we're opposed to
Israel doing Nazi shit doesn't mean we got to become
Nazi ourselves. That's not what we're trying to do here.
And so but I do agree with you that I
think the future is on our side. I mean, especially
with young people. There's the only debate now is between
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Scott Hornton's foreign policy or Pat Buchanan's. Like it's it's
the it's the Ron Paul descendants, or maybe the Pat
Buchanan kind of descendants. But that's what the debates between
not anything else rights for me. So yeah, right, really, well,
well that was the best I mean, but I'm just
mean people more influenced by him.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I think that's a perfect way to end it. I'm
going to give Scott the last note because he missed
most of this conversation.
Speaker 8 (50:49):
Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
I read in the Economists the other day a quote
that may or may not be real about Trump saying,
my bass is freaking out over this or something.
Speaker 8 (50:56):
They're very upset about this.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
This is the same thing that's happening on the Democrat side,
and it's happening more and more.
Speaker 8 (51:01):
It's split among.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Republics is a fifty to fifty split on who do
you favor, the Israelis or the Palestinians on the right.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's crazy, and.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
It's and that's a huge change in a short amount
of time. And it's changing more and more on the
on the right side, it's much more. It's like seventy
thirty or you know, eighty twenty or something on the left.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
So and it's this crack up is coming.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
People are sick and tired of seeing the Israelis kill
kids with our money. They know that this is provoking
terrorist attacks against American innocent civilians.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
And and so Trump, you know more and more.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
And it's the leaders of the MAGA right who are
making themselves known that they just cannot stand this, and
and Trump is getting the message.
Speaker 8 (51:43):
And it's so important.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
That people really keep it up and keep the pressure
up and let him know that, yeah, no, we absolutely
disapprove of all of this. And then let it be
the case in both parties in America where we just
have the donors and the owners of the party versus
the population of the country on this issue. We do
not consider this a special relationship. We do not consider
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them to be our greatest allies.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
We want nothing, we consider it special already.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
The Israelis, we want nothing to do with dine and
terrorist attacks motivated by their crimes.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
And so enough, and let Trump know that.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Look, it's not just that your people are pissed, it's
that they absolutely will not stand for it. And you're
better off with them than Miriam Adelson. Now you have
to choose, and they are making you choose.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
And they are right to be pissed off. And I'll
just end with this. As much as I love Lex Friedman,
I would like to see ten hours of you versus
went is, let's actually win on the merits of the arguments.
Let's not dismiss it, let's actually hammer it. I mean,
I think the kid's brilliant, but he doesn't. He doesn't
stand a chance against you, either of you. So I
(52:46):
hope that's the pathway. What's that? No, no, no, I'm just
the reference is because he's just did ten hours with
Lex Friedman, So I'm sorry. Yeah, right, it was fun. Anyways,
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We are changed dot org as if I didn't know that, uh,
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Please welcome to Liberty Lockdown. Pleas, got your block home,
your liberty in come. But yeah, it's on hol of
Where did it come from? And where did it
From Nick's perspective, I'm a limited hangout type of because
I won't go far enough to actually deny the Holocaust
or blame the Jews. I'll just talk about the clean
break strategy or whatever. But from our perspective, you guys
are just an albatross around our neck that just gives
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they got nothing they can really say about me, but
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
Welcome to a rare live stream edition of Liberty Lockdown.
This is Clint Russell. I am thrilled today. Actually, the
first reason I'm thrilled just because we're at Ron Paul's
ninetieth birthday, which means that the legend is still with us,
hopefully for many more. If he's not here till his
hundredth I'm going to be very upset. But I think
even sweeter surprises that I get to actually do a
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live show with some of my best buddies in this world.
We got Luke Rodowski, former co host of the best
political show with me, and we've got Dave Smith, host
of Part of the Problem with Robbie the Fire. I'll
give him a shoutout. And Scott Horton will be joining
us in a few minutes, so hang in there if
you want to be deluged with geopolitical analysis, will get there.
But I want to start, and actually Dave and I
(01:12):
were talking about this off screen. We're having some some
internescing battles, some beefs between our people. Nick fouintes. I
don't know if he's not it. I wouldn't say he's
our people, but he has been beefing hard with Candasillans
and Tucker Carlson. Curious what your thoughts.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Are, Well, you know, it's it's an interesting situation. I
think that the you know, when Nick, I thought it
was great that Nick and Candace did their thing together.
I thought it was an interesting interview. There's a little
bit strange of the parts that were about me or
a little weird to you know, listen to. But I do.
(01:54):
I guess some of my broader thoughts on it are
like I think that can Cantice and Tucker are my guys.
I'm not saying a single bad thing about them. These
guys have been great to me. I also think that
they're very important figures. Right now, I didn't think that
was I didn't think it was wise or right the
(02:15):
way they went it. Fointe is on the episode that
they did together, and I think that, like, ble.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Im me a gay kid in his basement wasn't the
best way to handle it.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Maybe yeah, and and look, we all know he is,
but you still don't say that out left. I'm just kidding,
but I'm genuinely just joking around. I think that the
way I look at it is like in this game.
You know. I know I've had this happen a lot
in my career, and so I can't like kind of
blame Nick for this, especially being someone who's you know,
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fifteen years my junior or whatever. But I've had moments
where someone will attack me and I feel like, well,
I have to go back at you.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I can't just let you say that unanswered, like, especially
when it's like a personal attack or something like that.
You know. I of that on Dave Rubin recently, just
because Dave Ruben's out there saying I'm a moron, and
I don't know what I'm talking about. So what can
I do other than go well to me and you
sit down and we'll see who doesn't know what they're
talking about, Dave Ruben of all people. Now, this is
(03:13):
a different situation than that. But so I understand where
Nick felt like he had to pull the knife out
because that's his brand. That's what he does, you know,
Like if you're Mike Tyson in his prime, you're like, well,
have you come thrown? You want a slug fest? Okay,
I'm the slugfest guy, you know, And that's what Nick is.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Candice is basically the same thing.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Though in a lot of ways. Sure, I do think
that you know, if you do really care about these issues,
like say, if Nick foint As is like the Christian
who really cares about you know, kind of Israel Israeli
dominance over American policy, well then you also got a
think to yourself, hey, what are you doing here?
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Man?
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Because like Tucker Carlson and Canas Owns are like some
of the most vet it is. You cannot overstate how
valuable it is that these people who have millions of
right wing conservatives listening to them are preaching like a
Ron Paulyan non interventionist, like this is just like an
amazing thing. And so I think one of the things
that people, uh, you know, resent or don't like about
(04:16):
the gropers in general is that they feel like, yo,
you guys become this stain on all the rest of us.
And you see this with you know, when Jordan Peterson
goes on Joe Rogan and the topic of conversation is
my debate with Douglas Murray, and what does Jordan Peterson
go to right away? Well, there's these groupers, there's these
(04:36):
anti semites online. Because what's frustrating is that you from
our perspective, like from from Nick's perspective, I'm a limited
hangout type of because I won't go far enough to
actually deny the Holocaust or blame the Jews. I'll just
talk about the clean break strategy or whatever. But from
our perspective, you guys are just an albatross around our
neck that just gives them the loan. It's like, so
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you see, these guys, they got nothing they can really
say about me, but they can pivot to Nick and
start talking about that.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
So you know, they do the same thing with you,
with Daryl Cooper.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah, yeah, sure, you know, and so I don't know.
I think the way I look at it in the
more in the broader sense is I think, whether it's
me or Darryl Cooper or Tucker Carlson or Nick Fuentez
or any of them, you know, all of us have
had people essentially trying to cancel us, trying to smear us,
trying to you know, attack our character without taking on
(05:30):
any of our arguments. I think we're kind of in
a new phase where cancel culture isn't working at least
at the moment. And you know what, however you feel
about Nick Fointe the same way however you feel about me,
I'm here. So if you want, if you want to
take on what I'm saying, then you got to take
on what I'm saying. And so I do think that,
Like I think at a certain point, Nick has earned
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the fact that he's not going anywhere. He's been canceled
by everyone, and he's bigger than ever. So if that's
the case, then I do think I think in a
way that has to be incorporated.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Then you may not like this, or you may totally
get what I'm about to say, but I feel like
you and Nick are actually in a very similar position
in that you're both saying things that are kind of
third rail, or at least they had been historically. You
both are having kind of hit pieces and smear jobs
that are being pushed against you, and you're both kind
of vaunted debate opponents that if you disagree, neither of
(06:24):
you are gonna run away. And also you're ducked a
lot like Nick is kind of voldemort in the same
way that you are. I remember Shapiro for years wouldn't
say your name yeah, And it's like now, I think
Puentez was in that mold too, and now both of
you guys are of such prominence that it basically requires
people to say you by name yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
There's an interesting parallel there, for sure. Where like that
we both I mean, but it's not just us too, write,
I mean we are. We're both representatives in our own
way of the kind of non interventionist right, maybe him
being the identitarian non interventionist right and me being the
like liberty oriented non interventionists right. But I mean that
was I think the playbook for everyone, you know, is that, yeah,
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you pretend they don't exist, and if you ever bring
him up, it's just to smear them. We're in a
world now where that's just like that's just changed, you know,
Like however you feel about Andrew Tate, he's here. It
like you gotta either take it on or not. Like
if you want to ignore it and just pretend it's
not it doesn't exist and move on, fine, But the
just the drive by, like I would feel, right, there
(07:33):
are people who I don't want to sit down in
debate for different reasons. You know. There are some people
because they're the Tom it's just easy work. I don't
want to. I love his family. I don't want to
keep that to them. No, But there are people right
there are people who they don't have a high enough profile.
There's there's libertarians. I saw some of them today on Twitter,
some of the you know, libertarian theory bros, who are
(07:54):
furious that I won't sit down and debate with them.
I just don't find it interesting enough or or valuable
enough use of my time to debate, whether you know,
to debate a Zulu on whether homeless people taking a
shit in the park are heroes, Like I'm just I'm
not interested in that, And I understand where that's frustrating
to him. But like, you know, that's life. And then
there's other people who I probably have big numbers, maybe
(08:15):
would do, but I just have so little respect for them,
or I just find their whole thing to be gross.
So I don't know, but if I go on Joe
Rogan and I start trashing a person by name, I
feel like I have to be willing to sit down
and debate there.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
There's an obligation there.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
So if Jordan Peterson's gonna do that, then that should
be followed up with, like sit down with and why
is it? Like, you know, even the other day, I
get someone who's been very good to me personally who
I and I appreciate that. You know, Charlie Kirk I'm
talking about he took a lot of heat for hosting
me at that thing and he didn't buckle on that,
so like I respect that, but you know, when he
(08:48):
said the thing again, he got a caller the other day.
I don't know if you saw this asking about Nick
Foyn sees this video has gone viral and he's like,
I don't debate trolls, and you're like, dude, you debates
and pro abortion people. I mean, you debate, so how
do you sit here and say he made.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
His career just demolishing those Yes, like.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
You debate the worst of the worst. Yet here's a
kid who on the right wing got a big enough
audience that you're getting asked questions about him all the time,
and your your argument is going to be, no, that's
that's beyond the pal like. I just find that, you know,
I don't know how you justify that from a right
wing position. From a left wing worldview, I can understand
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how you bet. I can't platform that the maoist is misguided,
but the right wing racialist is evil. I just don't
know how that plays in a not woke progressive space.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I don't think it does, and I don't think that's
gonna last. But I want to get Lucan here, what's
your thoughts with the kind of identitarian right wing versus
the non interventionist libertarian right wing, And do you think
that it's it's indicative of us making progress that this
is even a discussion, that this is kind of like
the mainstream of the debate right now.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
I feel like we have become the mainstream. I feel
like for a very long time, it was the corporate
media attacking independent media, and I think we reached the
phase where people are, yeah, the attacks are helping us,
let's attack each other. Now there's no one else to
attack us. Specifically, CNN lost all kind of relevancy, They
lost their audience. So, you know, I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
If you drag Rachel Mattow, it's not going to get clicks.
If you drag Candie Owns, that's what we actually get.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Because we are the establishment, we are the media, and
I think you know, a lot of people are getting
caught up in the drama, and they love the drama,
and I think a certain amount of it is being
played up in the algorithms to kind of spur on
this kind of divide and this divide and conquer, when
in reality we have a lot more in common. We
could let go of the personal issues from the nineteen thirties, like, okay,
we don't have to discuss the nineteen thirties every single day. Now,
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we could discuss foreign policy, the Jeffrey Epstein client list.
I think we should really centralize our focus right now
instead of just oh, I dunked on him, she dunked
on me. We're getting all these clicks, We're getting all
this attention. I try to avoid a lot of the drama.
I always have because I find it ridiculous. But I
think a lot of people see this as a vehicle
to kind of prop themselves up, when in reality, I
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think right now we're at one of the most critical
junctures of our time where we got to let go
of the petty differences and we got to make sure
because right now we're talking about an elite pedophile or
ring of individuals that are still being predicted. We're on
tax dollars, all right. That is an extremely dangerous situation
that the vast majority of people are saying, we got
to get it out. We have to keep focusing on that.
(11:23):
We have to keep focusing on trying to prevent the
war again unfolding in Iran. We have to try to
prevent the war from exploding in Ukraine. We have to
focus and nail in this conversation since this administration the
first time is listening, but now they're looking at a
kind of social media aspect where everyone's just kind of
attacking each other. I think the arguments are stupid. I
think it was not the smartest of thing for Tucker
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Carlson to kind of call Nick this kind of basement dweller.
I thought Nick's response kind of owning it, was brilliant
and very smart. Yes, he's good at that. I think
Charlie Kirk deleting his live stream also makes some more infamous.
Nick is infamous as he is because he was put
on the no fly list because he was debanked because
he had a mad man with a gun who tried
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to kill him show up to his house. All right,
when we look at that type of lure, whether you
agree with him or not, you can't dismiss him. Yeah,
you can't dismiss him at all. So whether I agree
with his ideas or not, we should have respect for him, right,
and respect for his ideas, but engage in a civil discussion.
But we shouldn't make that the central focus point, since
obviously we're at a critical juncture where we're either save
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the Republic.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
Or we're gonna just continue down.
Speaker 5 (12:31):
Because if there ever is a chance for us to
make it out of this healscape, of this Ponzi scheme,
of this Federal Reserve, fractional like lie that we're all
living under that's financing the war machine and the pedophiles.
If there ever was a chance for us ever to
get anything done it is now.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Yeah, yeah, it's a good time to say it. That
run Paul's birthday.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah yeah. And you know, if I could, you know,
just a couple things to what Luke was saying there,
because I think part of that, like I've noticed that
myself in my show. I talked about it a bit.
My show was that it was and it really did
kind of change with Donald Trump being elected in twenty
four where I just I would for many years a
huge part of the content I would put out would
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just be tearing up the corporate media and it'd be
Brian Stelter clips or Rachel Maddow clips and there this
is the propaganda now, but look at all the holes
and out, let's tear this apart. And it did feel
like after this last election that almost felt cheap and unnecessary,
and like what am I going to go through MSNBC
right now and find what the daytime hosts that MSNBC
(13:34):
are saying and then be like, look right, they're still
saying look stuff. But I could dunk on this. It's
like my show gets more viewers than that show. This
is now me picking on the little but it did
still seem relevant to say, oh, Ben Shapiro just said
this advocating for the war or this guy, because these
guys at least have big audiences. Yeah, so that was
part of what drove you know, that change. But I
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also always, you know, to your point, I always felt
this way, but probally quick.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Can we all just get together and dunk on Ben Shapiro?
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Can we just's? That's all?
Speaker 6 (14:06):
I like, can we all just we all agree?
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Is where people treat you know, and you remember for years, Clint,
we had these this argument with other libertarians. But like
people treat you know, the all the alt right guys
and Nick Fuentes like it's almost like a thing like
what are you guys all so scared of? Exactly? Like
sit down with them, dude, how bad do you think
this is going to go for you? Like, I don't know.
I sat down with them three times. I came out unscathed.
(14:33):
I never like was like, oh my god, he destroyed me.
It didn't stop my career trajectory or whatever it's like happen.
Just go in there and actually back up your argument.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
But I think I have an answer for that. I
think that the reality is is that Nick makes some
really compelling points that you and I don't have a
problem with addressing because we're accustomed to were Like, we're
sincere when we say American first, and we're sincere when
we say not in intervention. So when they when Nick
throws at them a bunch of connections to Israel, Charlie
(15:02):
Kirk can't fire back.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
He doesn't, He doesn't. Yeah, there's they're worried, or at
least some of them, I think, are worried about being
exposed for their own you know, hypocrisy or areas that
they don't have a defense.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
This is my point. But Charlie is capable of winning
that debate if he's able to be honest. He's not
able to be honest. And I'm gonna say this because
I know you can't because of TPUSA, because of the
donors that he has that the.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
No, I'll say that. Listen, listen, I'll know there is
nothing that I'm not able to say or or won't say.
You know, I try to preface like he's been good
to me, but the fact is right, that's it. He's
he's in a different game than we're at I'm talking shit,
Nick is talking shit. That's a different game than trying
to build a huge political apparatus to get out the
(15:43):
youth vote. And he needs big money, he needs donors.
He has he has to. But right like, like listen,
if Charlie Kirk came out and said what I say
about Israel turning point USA doesn't exist anymore, Yes, that's
just a fact. Nobody yet there is no He took
so much for a host for my knowing a debate
between me and another guy.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
And you're a huge draw too, and it's.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Oh, you know, yeah, well that business. That's the whole
thing that's going on now is that it's it's in
such a beautiful irony. It's the market that save in
the libertarian ideas.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
But I will say that I do feel to connect
this to Ron Paul, it being his birthday event. I
think that a lot of us who came up in
the Ron Paul movement we did have. This is what
my speech today was kind of about. But he was
such a good role model for us, and he was
so real with all the stuff he was saying that
it kind of inoculated us against some of this other
But I will say that I do have like I
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have no sympathy for the establishment and the power brokers
that ruined this country and bankrupted the next generation. I
have a lot of sympathy for people who are members
of the next generation who end up going into radical
politics one way or the other because they hate this
establishment that ruined their country so much. And whether that's
left wing kids who are embracing socialism or right wing
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kids who are embracing fascism, I get it. We travel
in radical political circles, and when you're a political radical,
the way all three of us are. One thing that's
very hard to ignore is that the stuff that we're
talking about is stuff that could drive you crazy, Like
it's stuff that's worth dying over. Like it's like it's
like what like you were just mentioned in the pedophilia ring.
(17:22):
I mean our government robbing us to fund al Qaeda,
our goverment slaughtering babies like path I mean just.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Like rist grips and false flag attacks.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Thing is that you're like, yo, this is worth me
grabbing a rifle and going and dying. Now, we kind
of came out of the Ron Paul school, so we're like, hey,
look there's a better way, and you want to be
saying we also recognize that like this is we live
under this horrible perversion of capitalism, and that the answer
is actually to have the government stop doing that. But
I understand where young kids are pushed into radical politics,
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and I've always seen our role as like the next
generation of Ron Paulian's, that our role is to talk
to those young radical you know kids, and explains to
them where like they're right to hate the system, but
that this is a better answer. I don't think our role,
or the role of Jordan Peterson of all people, is
to call them the dark tet tread of psychopathic psychopathy
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or something like what are you doing? Man? Your whole
job is to talk to those disaffected young men.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Like so, even more than Tucker Carlson has, you know,
put himself up as this defender of these begotten or ill,
ill fated youth, Jordan Peterson made his entire career being
the messenger and a defender of those people. And then
Nick flent Is, who really embodies exactly what Jordan Peterson
was describing for all those years, and all of his
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supporters are like exactly what Jordan Peterson talked about, and
then just to write them off his psychopaths is like,
it's such an abandonment of I think what made me
respect Jordan Peterson so much is that you put yourself
up as these people savior in a way. And then
and then as soon as they like stepped, you know,
one degree out of line with your funding source at
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the Daily Wire, you abandoned them.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well also when like, hey, you want to talk about
you know, psychopathic tendencies, like you tweeted give them hell
to Benjamin Nett and Yahoo and you know what he
gave them Hell Gazza has been hell for two years.
Since then, I mean Hell, Jordan Peterson's whole thing. You know,
Hell is real, how it exists? Do you remember he
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was on when he was on Rogan, he started talking
about how Hell is real and Hell exists? And what
did Joe say without batting an eye? Because it's just
the most obvious thing ever. He goes look at Gaza
and then you watch Jordan Peterson just get uncomfortable. It's like, oh,
so that so, you know, And the other thing to me,
as people who like, hey, I do think the hating
Jews stuff is a bad road to go down. I
think racialism is toxic and I think a lot of
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that stuff that they're Like, I do think Nick foint
Is is trafficking in.
Speaker 6 (19:49):
Some bad ideas.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
But then, hey, you know what, I think a kid
who's listening to Nick fuentt as sure could use Jordan Peterson.
Aren't you the guy to talk to them about this? Like?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
What? So?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
That's that? To me? Is what's so funky about? Like
the whole way this thing has been handle that old again,
it just gives him more power.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Not the vaccinated Peterson.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
The old vaccinated Peterson has never.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Been an a believer that his body's been snatched.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
He's probably his mind probably was hijacked by the.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
He's had some issues for sure.
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speaking of people who appear to have been body snatched
and replaced, I wanted to get your guys opinion on
the Trump administration round two. There has been obviously a
lot of broken promises. I don't think any of us
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went into this, even though I think all three of
us were first time Trump voters, or at least the
two of us were. I think maybe I voted for
him all the time in the past, Okay, but so
I don't think any of us had extraordinarily lofty goals.
It was like, hey, no World War three, free Ross, Yeah,
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some justice for the COVID era maybe if.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
We're lucky, a little bit less government in our lives, yeah,
a little less of the boots stopping our face.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
And he's done good with the getting rid of some
of the DEI stuff. So I'm appreciative. I'm not going
to paint at all as negative, but I think on
net it hasn't been extremely positive.
Speaker 5 (21:36):
It's not all bad, but the satanic pedophiles are still
running around.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They're still running out.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
That's the bad part.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Yeah, yeah, that and a few other things.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
There's a couple you know, sacrifice of human beings and
war and you know.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But what do you guys think? I mean? Is he
is he compromised through the Epstein operation? Is he compromised
in terms of financial connections that make it impossible? Is
it just him doing the bidding of his donors. There's
two ways to really think about this.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
If you're going to be generous to him, you're going
to say that he's being threatened, right, And I think
that's a possibility, right, And we don't know what's going
on here until we actually get the documents. We actually
know what's going on here. But the statements, the flippant
kind of one eighties. He did it four times within
the last few days. I think it's absolutely just ridiculous
if you really want to be generous. The conspiracy theory
(22:22):
is he's being threatened and he's making it really obvious
to everyone who's really in charge, and the intelligencies are
in charge, and that's why he's handling it so poorly,
because he has no other outlet, because they're gonna, you know,
take his life or take the life of this family.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
That's theory one. Theory two.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
He sees this Epstein list as like the Ring of Sauron.
He's like, I could do so many things with this.
I could have so much power. I could blackmail Washington, DC.
If I'm a part of the club, and if I
protect the club, then I'm able to of course wheel
power get my agenda through. But I'm more thinking of
the likelihood of the threats because he lost so much
political leverage, he lost so much support, he lost so
(22:58):
much of the kay kind of influencers and people that
made him who he is that it just doesn't it
just doesn't make sense. So we don't know exactly what's
going on here. All we know is that they're lying.
There's dangerous predators out there that are extremely powerful, that
are still hurting children, and this is an issue that
is never going to go away. So I think either
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of those two theories are true. Based on your own
kind of emotional, kind of attachment to Trump, You're gonna
believe in one of those two things right now, because
there's no other other explanation other than he's being blackmailed
or he's being threatened.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Yeah, well, I mean I don't know. I think the
other explanation is that Donald Trump is compromised by Donald
Trump's brain, which was never that impressive to begin with,
and all he has all types of bad priors. You know,
Donald Trump really is He's not, like I've been saying
this for so many years now, but he is just
not what the left wing projects onto him, and he's
not what the right wing projects onto him. He's so
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obviously he is a guy with a crippling level of
narcissism that allows him to a quite a bit. I mean,
he's a high functioning narcissist, but it is also like
this just damning disorder where like he you know, it's
like Donald Trump will do this thing where he kind
of like he'll kind of someone will say something about,
(24:12):
oh Obama said this or he said that, and he goes, uh,
you know, and the building, the White House actually looks
much nicer now than it did under Obama. Under Obama
they had all the wrong paintings on the walls, but
they have all the best paintings on the walls now.
And we all kind of at this point laugh because
that's so funny. But like, Trump is not trying to
be funny. He is seriously trying to point out that
the White House is so much more terrific under him
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than it was under Robi. He's that guy. And I
think it's as simple as the fact that that when
it finally came due with the I think his name
was all over the goddamn files. I think every powerful
person in d C was over. He got a ton
of heat coming down on him, and he caved because
that's ultimately what he always does. What he really cares
about is his own legacy, his own image, him winning.
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That's all that's ever motivated Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (25:00):
His image is ruined, his image is come. This is
his legacy.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, but that's the whole That's what hubrist does is
you think you could you You are so motivated by
your own image that you end up destroying your own image.
It's a Greek tragedy as old as time. But the
fact is that Donald Trump, I think right now, in
a weird way, everything's going exactly according to plan, which
is what I always thought was that, Hey, this is
gonna be the podcasters carried Donald Trump to the presidency
(25:27):
and then look, I would have hoped, best case scenario,
he ended up doing really great, and we could all
just be like, oh, wonderful. But then more realistically, he's
gonna he's gonna disappoint in a devastating manner, and all
these podcasters are gonna turn on him. And I think
that one of the most fascinating things here is that
that is really happening. There was never a situation. There
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was never a situation in our lives where there's anything
quite like the dynamic right now. There was never a situation.
You remember when George W. Bush came in and then
he ended up being a complete disaster. And then you
remember when Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity turned on No
because of course they would never like they were gonna
defend him. Now, Rachel Maddow was never turning on Barack Obama.
But Tucker Carlson and Candice Owens and Joe Rogan and
(26:10):
Theo Vaughn and Andrew Schultz and like all these people
with millions and millions of viewers are totally and the
Democrats aren't getting any of their their Did you see
that Donald Trump came in. If you look at the
polls his first day of his second term, he has
the highest approval rating he's ever had in either term.
The Democrats are in the dumps. They're at twenty four percent.
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Donald Trump has now come down to having his lowest
approval rating in both terms. The Democrats are at twenty
four percent. They didn't get one point of benefit from
Donald Trump's numbers collapsing, because even though we're his support,
we all know the Democrats are no credibility on any
of these. So we live in this new time now
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where the whole establishment really is spinning out. The corporate
media is dead, They're not. You know, remember I was
arguing with Michael Tracy and a couple of these guys
who are like, oh, that when Donald Trump wins, CNN's
ratings are going to go right back up, and I
was like, no, they're not, not this time. And man,
I got that one right.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
I think the strongest thing supporting your theory is Operation
Warp Speed. But you know, we're all retarded, But I
don't think Trump is that retarded to be, to be
quite honest with you, because I think he mean, we're
all special, okay, But but you say not dumb enough
to think Operation Warp Speed was the success. No, No, I'm
saying the strongest thing you have for your argument is
operation Warp Speed with him still touting it, which right, right, right.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
But you're saying he's not dumb enough to actually think
that that was a successful.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
But no, no, I'm not even arguing about that. I'm
arguing about the Epstein stuff. I think he has a
lot of advisors around him, a lot of people with
him that are telling him the real kind of situation,
and he's not immune to that. That's why I think
something else is happening here other than his hubris.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think there's I think it'd be very easy for
Trump and people around Trump and the political consultant class
to think that this will die down, This won't be
that big. People care about the price of gas and
the price of healthcare. People are this is the story
of the day, this will go I think you have
to actually have your finger on the pulse, which we
might take for granted a little bit because that's the
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world we live in, to realize how much this is
not going away, and this is really going to devastate you.
So like, I don't know, And by the way, I'm
not saying you could be right about either one of
those theories. It's quite possible. He's being threatened, his family's
being threatened, he was shot in the face. I mean, like,
you know, there's all these possibilities. But it's also like
the fact is that Donald Trump was terrible on so
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many of these issues his first term and he's come
right back to being terrible on them in his second term.
And we were just hoping with people like I know
Tulcy Gabbert is here somewhere today, maybe someone could ask her.
That was unbelievable that she found out the intelligence that
Iran was only weeks away from a nuke, and that
intelligence only came out exactly when Israel bombed them. I
thought that was a crazy coincidence that she was at
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Maybe she could explain that.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I would love to know.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
But you know, it's like, the thing is that a
lot of us, a lot of us got They put
these people like Dan Bongino and Cash Battal and Tolsy
Gabbard who have been saying the right things for a
lot of years in and so there was some hope
that maybe that would translate into something, but we all
should have been We've been in this for so many
years to know, Washington, DC changes a man or a woman.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
But I will say though, I mean, there are some
differences in Trump Roun two that are so egregious that
it makes me feel that I signed more with Luke
on him being compromised or threatened in a way, particularly
the bombing of the nuclear sites, particularly handing Gaza and
basically like just writing a blank check to the Israelis
to be like, whatever you're gonna do with Gaza, you're
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gonna do like he is, he is not having any say,
and then he's sending more munitions to Ukraine. These are
just such like foundational promises to his campaign and really
who he purported himself to be for the entire four
years he wasn't president from twenty to twenty four that
it makes me feel as if there is something heavier
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hanging over his head than just hubris or pride or
thinking he can get away with it.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Well it did look, I mean, the Jeffrey Ebstein stuff.
Who knows, who knows how implicated he actually is in
all of that. I mean, Scott yeaheah. I mean, it's
it's pretty bad, right, Luke. I mean, just like what
we do know is that it's not like Donald Trump
like was at Jeffrey Epstein's parties once or was on
the airplane once he was basically living out of mar
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A Lago. He was, he was, Jeffrey Epstein was on
record saying Trump was his best friend. Trump's on record
talking about how Jeffrey Ebstein's the only one who likes
the girls more than him, and he likes him really young.
There was like an exact quote from Donald Trump. So
who knows, Maybe there is something there. I'm not saying
that's impossible. You don't know.
Speaker 5 (30:45):
There's circumstantial evidence alluding to the fact that there's less
kind of smoke. But who knows now, Because if you're
ever gonna act as guilty as you are right now,
we're gonna have a lot of serious questions about it.
The fact is this is not going to go away. Yeah,
going to be a key issue for the midterms. This
is going to be a key issue for twenty twenty eight.
(31:06):
This is an issue that I've been talking about for
fifteen years personally myself, and I think it's a very
important one. I think, you know, I do believe there
might be one or two advisers saying this is going
to go away. Don't worry about it the price of it,
but overwhelmingly, I think ever since Lock Her Up, there
has been this kind of taste that the American people
felt of like, we need to do something about this
two tier justice system because if we don't, the criminals
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are going to keep running over us. And I think
this is why this is going to be a bigger
issue than I think anyone ever expects it to be,
because this represents the draining of the swamp. This represented
the cleaning of the swamp. This represents the end of
the swamp which has hijacked our government, taken it over,
and allowed the special interest groups to essentially do whatever
they want with us.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Yeah, and draining the swamp wasn't a campaign promised by
Donald Trump. It was his raison deetra. It was the
entire reason that he exists politically, and so for him
to what is very transparently obvious everyone for him to
cave in order to protect the swamp and the worst
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element of the swamp. I mean, Jesus Christ, that is
I agree with you. I think it's devastating. I don't
think he'll ever be viewed, you know, whether or not
you can read it in approval poll results. I don't
think he'll ever be viewed by his hardcore supporters in
the same way that he was after caven on Epstein.
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And I think for much more than just him. I mean,
I think for Dan Bongino and for Cash Patel, I
think they are I'm sure there are all people in power.
They'll go get some book publishing deal, or they'll get
a position on a weapons company or something, but in
terms of like having the support of the people, I
think they're all ruined over this.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
For me, this is my kind of theory here. I
think this has a lot more to do with the
intel agencies, whether it's i'm sorry, intell agencies, whether it's
the CIA or the masade I think either or five
all of them. I think there's an element, criminal element
of them that still has a huge amount of power,
huge amount of weight, to the point where I think
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they're pulling a lot of the strings now. And I
think that's why we're seeing such kind of declarative actions.
The fact that we're seeing in such a ever so
aggressive way under Donald Trump, I think is also very
kind of indicative of they're still calling the shots, they're
still running the show. In my opinion, because they're getting
everything that they want plus even more now, including two
major attacks. And this is what I think we really
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have to think about now, and this is why I've
kind of been.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
A little worried more than I usually am.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
We had two major attacks on two nuclear facilities internationally,
on the Russian nuclear Air Force, on the Iranian nuclear
nuclear sites as well. I think there could be a
possibility that in history we look back on this time
and this was the start of a bigger conflict than
we could even kind of realize.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
We are already in right now, and we've been making.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Margament that the West has already started the new Uclar
War by going after the nuclear war might of the
Iranians and the Russians.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, the funny thing about revolutions and world wars is
that nobody ever goes all right, today's day one exactly.
You know, you figure that out in the history books later,
You don't necessarily, you know, if you're living through the
first day of a world war, the first day of
a revolution, nobody actually tells you that it started already.
And sure, that is the big concern with this, especially
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when you look at look, I mean, thank god, it
does seem like there's been some positive movement on the
Ukraine situation. In the last couple of days they announced
that there's going to be talks. That's a big deal.
Not trying to downplay that, but you got the country
with the biggest stockpile of nuclear weapons engaged in an
active proxy war with the United States now going on
three years. You got al Qaeda holding down Syria in
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what is certainly just halftime of this show, like this
is going somewhere that's going to be very bad. And
of course you have the situation with a RAM, which
is it's totally unclear what the results of this are
and what the Mullas do in response to this. They've
already talked about kicking the inspection regime out. Who knows
if they do that? Whoa this guy? Well, we got
(35:11):
seventeen minutes left, so Scott will ask you one question.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
That's literally how it works the show. Get to see it.
I'm sorry, this is quite quite the foursome. I feel
like I'm back in college. Anyways.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You're showing too much skin too.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Yeah, No, I mean I
think this is what's so frustrating about the pushback that
particularly ar Camp gets is that, you know, we're really
nervous after Donald Trump and America, the largest military in history,
just arbitrarily basically decides to bomb the nuclear facilities in Iran,
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and then we're like, well, that could go really badly
because the Iranians could strike American bases that are.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
I wouldn't say. I don't think we arbitrarily chose to
bomb a rant. We objectively chose to do what Israel
wants us to do, and Israel arbitrarily chose.
Speaker 5 (36:04):
Again, we protect them afterwards from any kind of legitimate
consequences of their actions.
Speaker 8 (36:08):
Right, well, And I appreciate topic, man, what I missed.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
I appreciate it. I appreciate the clarification. But the point
that I'm trying to get to is that this is
what we don't know. We don't know when the tipping
point goes from Oh, this is just you know, us
being a proxy for the Israelis and doing whatever they want,
and ultimately Iran is going to cave and they're gonna
kneel and blah blah blah, or they actually go, yeah,
we're gonna respond because we feel as if our back
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is against the wall and we have no pathway out,
and we're gonna kill two hundred and fifty American troops
and then all of a sudden, World War III is
actually upon us and you just don't know. And it's
just it's so frustrating that we get this Panikin label
or this other nonsense that they throw at us when
the worst possible thing doesn't come to pass and they go,
see told you, and it's like, well, we were just
saying that's on the that's on the list of possibilities.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
But yeah, but I, at least from my experience, man,
I just with the Iran thing, and then I guess
it's just from like a pr point of view or whatever.
The Epstein thing coming in right next kind of helped,
you know, the our camp because we were being so
critical of Donald Trump. But all that stuff, I'm just
finding that it's like it's just not working. Like there's
you want to sit here, the warhawks want to see,
oh see, this was perfect, and you guys were worried
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about whatever. It's like, dude, that's just not convincing anyone.
Like it's like, but why did we even need to
bomb this country? You never even try, You never even
sold the people on there was a legitimate threat here.
So I just found I've found with all of it,
like it's been unbelievable, how many different things they've tried
to throw it the non interventionists as we've been rising
(37:37):
in prominence, and how.
Speaker 6 (37:38):
All of them are falling flat.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Doesn't work.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
But it doesn't even on the question how easy that
war was. It's not over yet. They're not yeah to
give up their nuclear program right. Trump's now bought the
Israeli's definition of a nuclear weapons program as being any
enrichment in Iran at all. So either he's gonna climb
all the way down from that, or the war's going
to continue and they're gonna end up talking themselves into
a change as the only way to permanently prevent Iran
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from choosing to attempt to make a nuclear bomb. And
so I could have just been the first act, and
he doesn't have to be World War three to be
just an absolute.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Catastrophe in Persia. Of course, way more than we bargained for.
This is a question that I asked Luke and Dave earlier,
but I didn't you weren't here yet, so I wanted
to ask you, what do you think it is about
Donald Trump and his kind of blank check to the Israelis.
Is it is it just the Atosen money or does
it go deeper?
Speaker 8 (38:32):
I mean, that's the obvious answer. I don't think anybody
knows any worse than that.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
Look, I mean in the Republican Party, everybody always does
whatever the Israelis say, Like, nobody at those levels are like,
oh no, I can't believe it.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
She's so close to the Lakud. They're all so close
to the Lacud.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Right, But there was there was this belief that Donald
Trump was a real boy to some extent, you know,
well to some extent. I mean, why why have the media.
Speaker 8 (38:58):
And everyone not a senator or a gotherr?
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Right?
Speaker 4 (39:00):
So he was himself, but that doesn't make him like
one of us, but not one of them.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
No, far far from being one of us. I'm just saying,
why why have you? Why? Why have seven hundred years
in prison over his head? Why have the bullet grazed
his head? Why have the media run ops against him
for eight year straight? If he's just as much a
puppet of the Israelis as everybody else, doesn't that seem weird?
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Well, it's not all about Israel, And I mean if
you look at and I don't really know who was
behind those assassination attempts.
Speaker 8 (39:33):
I don't know if anybody really does.
Speaker 6 (39:34):
But like the the closest.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
Yeah, we know that, the closest association that we have
to someone who would actually want Trump dead is with
the second shooter or attempted shooter down in Florida and
Ruth who was right who everybody.
Speaker 8 (39:51):
Said he was in a blackwater ad. I wasn't a
blackwater ad.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
It was a video of a protest by the Azov
Battalion Nazis in Ukraine. And so if anybody put it
up to him, it would have been those guys put
him up to it.
Speaker 8 (40:05):
It's what I meant to say. So, but I don't
really know about that.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
I mean, as far as the impeachment and Russia Gate
and all that, it was, well, first of all, is
about trying to prevent him from becoming the presence so
Hillary could have It was the first thing. But then
also it is because he wanted to end the Cold
War with Russia and they want to have a Cold
war with Russia.
Speaker 8 (40:24):
So that wasn't all about Israel.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
In fact, you know it was if you go back
to sixteen, it was the Israelis are the only major
power faction that backed him. He could get a couple
of generals from the Army and the Marines to back him,
stand up there next to him. But you know, this
time around was a bit different. But back then it
was essentially the lobby was the only major group that
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supported him.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know, I remember Rothbard, right, I can't remember the
name of this piece, but there's two different pieces that
I'm thinking of, but one of them is the famous
Paleo you know what the what was it, conservatism, a
New Strategy or something whatever. That piece was where he
starts off with the David Duke stuff. And people always,
I think, were that this was like one of the
(41:08):
most controversial articles that Rothbard ever wrote. But I also
think that a lot of people, I mean, he said
some pretty provocative things in it, but a lot of
people also read stuff that he wasn't saying in it.
And the section where he opened up talking about David Duke,
what he was saying was he was like, because I'm
old enough to like remember this when when David Duke
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ran for governor and he goes dude, the way the
national media freaked out over this guy was unbelievable, and
I mean they sent everyone, including Tim Russert from Meet
the Press and like everyone to try to take him down.
And he was talking about why the establishment gets so
freaked out about like a right wing populace like this,
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and he makes the point that he's like, look, they
say it's because he used to be in the KKK,
But like Bird in the Senate used to be in
the KKK and all these other guys, that's not actually
their problem. Their problem is this. And it would have
been so interesting if Rothbart had covered Donald Trump's sentence.
But one of the things I think he had another
piece I can't remember the name of it where he
just talked about how they go out of their way
to make politics boring and they really don't like people
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who make it exciting. You know, politics is kind of
naturally an exciting thing. They're a leader of men, give me,
give me liberty, or give me death, but they turn
it into a bunch of nerds sitting there like we're
gonna have a conversation about whether thirty nine percent or
thirty six percent should be the top marginal rate. And
they like the population to be pacified that they really
don't like right wing populism the most. That's the one
(42:34):
that scares them the most, because the right wing men
are the toughest men in the country. And if you
start getting the barrel chested men worked up about how
like the elites are screwing you over and lock her
up and to hell with this whole thing. And I
think that that was enough of a combination for them
to be freaked out about Donald Trump. And he's also
got that syndrome where he can't stop whatever thought comes
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into his mouth from coming out, and he'd start saying
stuff like Obama created ISIS and people were like, yo,
what is he saying?
Speaker 6 (43:03):
Bernie Iraq for oil?
Speaker 1 (43:04):
He's yeah, yeah, even and and look he literally Bush
doing not.
Speaker 6 (43:07):
Learned in Iraq for oil. He got that one wrong.
Speaker 8 (43:10):
They're all incompetent.
Speaker 4 (43:12):
No one in Washington deserves their position, and they're just
like you know, of course they were.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
You made a lot, so you made you made a
lot of enemies with all of this stuff. But none
of that actually means, which Rothbard didn't say in the piece,
that David Duke is right about the most provocative you know,
like standing that he has, and none of that means
that Donald Trump is really Donald Trump really was always
a dumber version of Rudy Guliani. Like that's really what
(43:37):
Donald Trump is. Rudy Giuliani is much more well read
than Donald Trump is, you know, And so I.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
Think it's populist.
Speaker 6 (43:46):
Yeah, yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now that's a fair point also, but also for the record,
you know, Donald Trump is, he's a pure marketer. He
says what he thinks is going to go over. Well,
all you gotta do. Listen to Donald Trump when he
was a when he was considering running on the Reform
Party in two thousand and he had to attack Pat Buchanan,
and the way he attacked him was saying, he's a Nazi,
(44:09):
he's a bigot, he doesn't like gay people. Because in
the year two thousand, in the zeitgeist, that's what Donald
Trump thought was the way he marginalized. Now in the
year twenty sixteen, in the zeitgeist, he figured out that actually,
I should run all the way to the right on immigration,
I should attack because that's what he's good at is
knowing what's going to play well with a crowd.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
Well, I think that's the interesting dynamic going all the
way back to the first topic that I brought up
is that it felt a little bit as if Tucker
Carlson was attacking Nick fuent As with the two thousands
Trump against Buchanan kind of mindset. And I feel like
the environment has changed so dramatically that Fuentes is kind
(44:49):
of third rail ideology, is more within the realm of
acceptable or allow, you know, Toma Woods three by five
card appliable opinion.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
You know, I think Nick did a good job of
playing into that, because this is what he's really good at,
his blood sport, Internet wars. The truth is, I think
Nick Fuentes has probably attacked a bunch of people for
being poor in the past. I'm sure he's attacked people
for living in their mom's base and stuff like that.
And the truth is, if you are like, it's like, look,
I know this is just from being a comedian. If
(45:19):
there's someone Heckler who you hate, who's in the front
row and he's a four hundred pound Indian dude and
he's just you hate him, the first thing that comes
to your mind is you're like, shut up, you fat Indian.
You probably smell it curage, like it's just the first
thing doesn't mean you even have to have anything against
fat Indians. It's just I don't know. I wanted to
get you, and that was the lowest hanging fruit that
was right in front of me. And so if Tucker's
(45:40):
pissed off at nick Foint, does the go to is
like listen, child, who's in the closet, who lives with
your mom. That's just kind of the go to eat
lowest hanging fruit. So I think Tucker just wanted to
take shots. Like I said, he probably shouldn't have. But
you know, with the Trump thing, I just don't I
don't think he was ever the real deal. I still
(46:01):
think it was better for the country that he won
than Kamala Harris winning this last time.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
I agree with that, But let me see if we
agree for the same reason. I think it's because a
lot of the people had so much faith and hope
in Donald Trump that if he had been kept from
the White House again, there would always have been the
what if, Like, oh my god, Donald Trump, you have
no idea what he would have done. You would have
had the deep state gone down, you would have had
(46:25):
Epstein in the list and all this, and World War
three would have been avoided, and it's like, now all
of us get to go.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Not true, Well, that's one tiny benefit or that's one
the benefit. I don't put that as the number one.
I think the two the biggest benefits of Donald Trump
winning number one. Where you know, you know, there's like
a certain level of indignity that is just unbearable, Like
there's just as you know, if you were with a
chick and she just got like way too drunk and
(46:56):
started trying to make out with your friend in front
of you, you'd be like, I just can't. Now, we
can't be together anymore. This is just And as a country,
having Kamala Harris elected our president would be we just
can't exist anymore. Yeah, you can't. I couldn't look at
my children in the face. If Kamala Harris was the
present like.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
That, shit would have been so funny just daily well.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
No, I mean, but well we all felt that way.
And then Joe Biden wasn't that funny.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
No, no, no, But she was actually even worse. She was
actually substantially worse than Joe.
Speaker 8 (47:23):
Biden running as him. Yeah, which was funny.
Speaker 1 (47:26):
But the major thing that I think was the biggest
benefit of Donald Trump winning and I with all due respect,
I know Lynn is here too, so like okay, Russ
Allbrick being freed, you know up there. But uh, it
was it was really the destruction of the corporate media,
and it was the moment when they had to admit it,
and they all admit it. And it changed very quickly
after the twenty four They went from for eight years,
(47:50):
from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty four, the story of
the corporate media was still it was still Brian Stelter
getting on TV and going the fringe Joe Rogan, right,
he would still do that every day for this weird
little piggy gay inflection and be like, oh, look at
this guy over here while he's speaking a three hundred
thousand people and Joe Rogan speaking of fifteen million people.
(48:10):
He'd still be like the fringe Joe Rogan. After this election,
they all went, we got to find our own Joe Rogan.
They all admitted that they're not the mains and shocking
it was, well, that's right, but that is a prerequisite
to us ever doing anything, is that we had to
crack their propaganda apparatus.
Speaker 5 (48:30):
Say what you made about Trump? He opened up the
Pandora box of populism. Yeah, the people have gotten a
taste and idea of what government could look like if
it's not run by satanic pedophiles.
Speaker 6 (48:39):
And that idea is going to be with people.
Speaker 5 (48:42):
That idea of not having a war, that idea of
not being sold down the river is addictive, and I
think that's what the American people want. So I think
that kind of energy, that kind of tenure is still
with us. His supporters are criticizing him because he's not
following through, and I think that's beautiful, and I think
that's a great No. I'm happy Ross is free. I'm
(49:03):
happy that J sixers are free.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (49:05):
But I think overall, and I always said this, you know,
elections aren't about the politician.
Speaker 6 (49:11):
They are about the ideas.
Speaker 5 (49:12):
And the idea of liberty and freedom and self ownership
have galvanized the American people to vote for Donald Trump.
He may not be the vehicle, but he started something
that an idea's time has come that rom Paul was
a big part of. And I think we are headed
towards greater places because of him.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Well, I think that's why I keep circling back to this.
This fuint does versus you versus Tucker debate is I
really feel as if the inflection point now is are
we going to be a kind of identitarian nationalist, non
interventionist right wing or are we going to be the
non identitarian, more libertarian version of that. And I think
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that it's a very important fight to be had. And
I don't think that dismissing Quintas and his camp is
the pathway forward. I don't think we's missing him as. No,
I'm not saying that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
No, No, No, I agree with you. No, I don't think
dismissing I just think that it's like ultimately the best
go Like, listen, just the fact that we're opposed to
Israel doing Nazi shit doesn't mean we got to become
Nazi ourselves. That's not what we're trying to do here.
And so but I do agree with you that I
think the future is on our side. I mean, especially
with young people. There's the only debate now is between
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Scott Hornton's foreign policy or Pat Buchanan's. Like it's it's
the it's the Ron Paul descendants, or maybe the Pat
Buchanan kind of descendants. But that's what the debates between
not anything else rights for me. So yeah, right, really, well,
well that was the best I mean, but I'm just
mean people more influenced by him.
Speaker 3 (50:43):
I think that's a perfect way to end it. I'm
going to give Scott the last note because he missed
most of this conversation.
Speaker 8 (50:49):
Well, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 4 (50:50):
I read in the Economists the other day a quote
that may or may not be real about Trump saying,
my bass is freaking out over this or something.
Speaker 8 (50:56):
They're very upset about this.
Speaker 4 (50:58):
This is the same thing that's happening on the Democrat side,
and it's happening more and more.
Speaker 8 (51:01):
It's split among.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Republics is a fifty to fifty split on who do
you favor, the Israelis or the Palestinians on the right.
Speaker 1 (51:08):
That's crazy, and.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
It's and that's a huge change in a short amount
of time. And it's changing more and more on the
on the right side, it's much more. It's like seventy
thirty or you know, eighty twenty or something on the left.
Speaker 8 (51:21):
So and it's this crack up is coming.
Speaker 4 (51:23):
People are sick and tired of seeing the Israelis kill
kids with our money. They know that this is provoking
terrorist attacks against American innocent civilians.
Speaker 8 (51:31):
And and so Trump, you know more and more.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
And it's the leaders of the MAGA right who are
making themselves known that they just cannot stand this, and
and Trump is getting the message.
Speaker 8 (51:43):
And it's so important.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
That people really keep it up and keep the pressure
up and let him know that, yeah, no, we absolutely
disapprove of all of this. And then let it be
the case in both parties in America where we just
have the donors and the owners of the party versus
the population of the country on this issue. We do
not consider this a special relationship. We do not consider
(52:05):
them to be our greatest allies.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
We want nothing, we consider it special already.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
The Israelis, we want nothing to do with dine and
terrorist attacks motivated by their crimes.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
And so enough, and let Trump know that.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Look, it's not just that your people are pissed, it's
that they absolutely will not stand for it. And you're
better off with them than Miriam Adelson. Now you have
to choose, and they are making you choose.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
And they are right to be pissed off. And I'll
just end with this. As much as I love Lex Friedman,
I would like to see ten hours of you versus
went is, let's actually win on the merits of the arguments.
Let's not dismiss it, let's actually hammer it. I mean,
I think the kid's brilliant, but he doesn't. He doesn't
stand a chance against you, either of you. So I
(52:46):
hope that's the pathway. What's that? No, no, no, I'm just
the reference is because he's just did ten hours with
Lex Friedman, So I'm sorry. Yeah, right, it was fun. Anyways,
thank you guys for tuning in. Oh look at this.
I'm such a pro. Ten seconds in the countdown. If
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Speaker 6 (53:12):
Are changed dot org.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
We are changed dot org as if I didn't know that, uh,
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Please welcome to Liberty Lockdown. Pleas, got your block home,
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