September 17, 2025 • 56 mins
Uncover the shocking truth behind Charlie Kirk's assassination and the explosive allegations of a high-stakes conspiracy involving Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and powerful influencers. Dive into the bizarre text messages from Tyler Robinson, revealing a tangled web of political pressure, FBI cover-ups, and Israeli influence. This deep dive exposes the hidden motives and questionable evidence that could change everything you thought you knew. Hit subscribe and join the hunt for justice in this gripping, controversial story! Check out my show over on Fountain: https://www.fountain.fm/show/nUTYcMtl4yMuoKHljZWu Become a supporting member of Liberty Lockdown here!: https://libertylockdown.locals.com/ This is where I do monthly AMA's for supporting members only Super valuable stuff! Twitter: https://twitter.com/LibertyLockPod Pickup LL shirts over at https://www.toplobsta.com/products/ll-lakers?_pos=5&_sid=e7319ba4a&_ss=r&variant=40668064186434 NEW DESIGNS JUST DROPPED All links: https://www.libertylockdownpodcast.com/ Linktree: https://linktr.ee/libertylockdown As always, if you leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts with your social media handle I'll read it on next weeks show (audio version only)! Love you long time Liberty Lockdown presents a variety of opinions, sometimes opposing and controversial. They are not representative of the host of the podcast. Guests are encouraged to express their opinions in a safe and equitable environment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I mean, right to the very end. This cannot get bigger.
We don't want another regime change war. But man, some
of the people who send money to Turning Point, his
donors were very tough on him, so tough on him
that I could feel it. You know. I talked to
him a lot in the last few months, and he
was under enormous pressure. He never bent, he never became better.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He kept his integrity to the very end, to the
very end.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I just think it's important to say.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That because it's true enormous pressure. That is what Tucker
Carlson had to say to jd Vance just a day
or two ago. Look, there are rare times like oftentimes,
when I'm preparing for a show, I'm like, I need
more info. I'm digging, I'm trying to grab more stuff
because I just don't have enough to paint a full picture.
This is the first time where I'm like, I have
too much info. I have too much on the plate
(00:47):
to possibly give you a meal that makes any sense.
And I'm struggling to figure out what to put into
this and what to leave out. But I'm going to
include everything that's vitally important, and this is going to
be a very deep. In fact, it may be a
two parter because the difference of opinion. I'll put it
like that, from one side, the Candice Owen's Tucker Carlson
(01:08):
Dave to a certain extent side versus all of the
more Prozinis influencers side is diametrically opposed, to put it mildly,
and there's threats of litigation and accusations of slander, and
it is getting very spicy, very rapidly. Again, as I
open up my prior episode with a big, long diatribe
explaining my point of view, I'm going to do a
(01:30):
similar thing here, but I'm going to keep it much shorter. Again.
I am only interested in getting to the truth of
this case. Tyler Robinson is a twenty two year old man.
There is a press conference that was just done minutes
ago where they read off a text message chain between
he and his lover. We're going to break down the
entire thing because it is so utterly bizarre, but I
(01:52):
just want to start by saying, before we even read
it and assume that it's real, this is a twenty
two year old who, at the end of it says,
delete these messages. The primary the gist of the conversation
is that most of the time he's talking about how
he's going to get away with it, how I have
to go back to try and get the rifle, got
to get the rifle back to my grandpa. Why you're
concerned about returning a murder weapon to your grandfather. Shouldn't
(02:15):
you be getting rid of that anyways? But then he
closes with delete all these messages, my love, and it's look,
I don't know twenty two year olds, probably as well
as everybody. I don't have a twenty two year old,
I don't know. But allegedly this guy had a four
point zero GPA, scored crazy high in as acts, was
like very well put together intellectually intelligence, and he thinks
(02:38):
that he planned an assassination plot. He then wrote a
physical message which he put under the keyboard for his
lover to look at, and he also texted every missing
detail about this case to his boyfriend right before he
turns himself in. All right, Well, what I've noticed already
(02:58):
in the aftermath of this breaking news is that those
that want to be convinced that the official narrative is accurate, go,
we got it, told you. This is everything we needed.
This is everything we were missing, open and shut case,
life in prison or worse, and everybody else who was
already skeptical is just additionally skeptical. So let's get into it.
(03:19):
Let's go through this video. It's really important that we
just continue to keep an open mind here because there
are details that are missing that have been filled in
very conveniently with this testimony that gets read off.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological now who was involved
in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police
that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,
and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,
(03:53):
twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from
Robinson which said, draw what you're doing. Look under my keyboard.
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note
that stated, quote I had the opportunity to take out
Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police found
(04:13):
a photograph of this note.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, so we got to pause there. First off, just
to refresh your memory. September tenth is the day of
the attack. So these text messages begin on the day
of the attack, when he is still on the lamb
and he's trying to get away with it, and allegedly
he has written a letter or on a I don't know,
post it note or whatever, saying I see an opportunity
(04:37):
to take Charlie kirk Out says his name, full name,
a little strange, and I'm going to take it, okay.
So that's where we start. Now we have this testimony
from Cash Betel, which I'll show you in a second,
where he says that basically thanks to their aggressive interviewing
posture or some nonsense like that, that they were able
to get this document. But he says it was destroyed.
(05:00):
Makes me feel as if his boyfriend probably burnt it.
So I guess they are alleging that they have the
ashes of the burnt piece of paper and they were
able to forensically put it back together or something. I
don't know. That's all missing pieces, but it's worth noting.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did he write a written note before before the assassination attempt?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's what the governor said yesterday, And what did that say?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
If you could see what I'm able to say, I'm sorry,
So what was what I'm able to say, is I
addressed it partially earlier. Is that the written note we
believe what did exist, and we have evidence to show
what was in that note, which is and I'm going
to summarize basically saying, the suspect wrote a note saying
I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and
(05:43):
I'm going to take it. That note was written before
the shooting. Evidence of its existence, we now have learned
existed before the shooting was in the location in the
suspect and partner's home. But we have since learned that
the note, even though it has been destroyed, we have
found for evidence of the note, and we have confirmed
what that note says because of our aggressive interview posture
(06:07):
at the FBI.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
After reading the note, the roommate responded, what you're joking, right, Robinson?
I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in
orum for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long
until I can come home. But I got to grab
my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to
(06:29):
keep this secret till I died of old age. I
am sorry to involve you, roommate. You weren't the one
who did it. Right, Robinson, I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate.
I thought they caught the person Robinson. No, they grabbed
some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
(06:50):
I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop
point shortly after, but most of that side of town
got locked down.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
All right, we gotta posit there again. So what he's
referencing is the old guy Zen I think was his
last name, who was arrested or detained. I don't know
if he was actually arrested, but he was detained right
after the attack because he said I did it. He
was claiming responsibility. And there's reports breaking today that say
(07:19):
that one he has been prosecuted with having child sexual
abuse material on his telephone and admitting that he was
attracted to five to twelve year olds. What okay? Setting
that portion aside, which is weird enough in its own right,
he also took claim for an assassination explicitly, according to
(07:41):
this report, because he wanted the actual shooter to get
away with it. What okay. So yeah, now here's the
weird thing about this press conference and what he's saying
with these text messages. So where to believe that Tyler
Robinson has committed this atrocious act. He is on the run,
(08:01):
He is texting his lover, and he is still privy
to the fact that there were multiple people arrested that
were not responsible. He knows that the one guy was crazy,
and he knows that the other guy was dressed like him.
I guess he's just sitting around watching the news on
his phone and that's how he has this information. But
he's still on the run. Okay, maybe I'm just saying, like,
(08:24):
these are all these are all important things. We have
to ask how does he know these things? Because you
would think he's under immense stress and he's trying to
dodge cops and he's even saying that side of town's
already shut down. So it's just interesting. All right, let's
keep it going.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's quiet, almost enough to get out. But there's one
vehicle lingering. Roommate, Why Robinson, Why did I do it?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Roommate? Yeah, I gotta pause it there. Sorry, I'm gonna
I'm gonna pause this a lot. He says, there's one
vehicle lingering. Now, I don't talk like that. I don't
think I ever say vehicle when I'm talking about a
car in a text message. Ever, maybe he's just very strange.
I don't know. I just want to point out all
(09:11):
of the weird aspects of the language utilized here, reminding
you that these are twenty two year olds that are
talking via text message.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Allegedly, Robinson, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate
can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab
my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going
to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on.
I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how
(09:40):
long have you?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I got a posit again because it's interesting. I mean
my recollection is that they found the rifle in the
woods very rapidly. So I guess he is following the
news close enough to know that they have detained or
arrested multiple people who are not responsible for the attack,
But he is not aware that they have found the
(10:01):
rifle in the blanket or the towel. Okay, just making
sure we're all on the same page and planning this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Robinson a bit over a week, I believe I can
get close to it, but there is a squad car
parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot,
but I don't want to chance it. Robinson again, I'm
wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon
as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, this is where it gets super fucking strange, like
totally beyond the pale, unbelievable. So this kid has just
committed probably the highest profile assassination since the Civil rights era.
I mean, it's up there, right, and his concern well,
(10:54):
he's still on the run. Well, he still doesn't have
the murder weapon in his possession to get rid of it,
to destroy the evidence. He is concerned about getting the
murder weapon back to his grandfather. This is a allegedly
four point zero GPA kid. He thinks he's going to
return the murder weapon of a high profile assassination to
(11:18):
his grandfather, and he's concerned about what his dad will
do if he doesn't. You've just committed murder in a
state where there's a death penalty, and you are concerned
about returning a rifle which you borrowed or stole from
your grandfather. Ah, what the fuck? I mean, very strange.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Id E K if it's had a serial number, but
it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits,
didn't have.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The pausing again, if this firearm is owned by his grandfather,
and if it has a serial number, well then it
would trace to his grandfather. So he says, it wouldn't
trace to me. Dude, yes it would. They're not gonna
you know, they'll go talk to your grandfather. The grandfather
will say I was with you know, my grit, you
(12:07):
know my uh, my wife, and I wasn't I was,
I have an alibi? Well where is your firearm? They're
gonna say, I don't know. And then they're gonna say,
all right, well we're gonna check surveillance, we're gonna figure
out where where it went, and then they're gonna eventually
connect the tyler. So like, what I mean is this kid?
Is this kid smart or the dumbest criminal ever?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The ability or time to bring it with I might
have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.
How the F will I explain losing it to my
old man? Only thing I left was the rapple was
the rifle wrapped in a towel, remember how it was engraving.
Both the f in messages are mostly a big meme.
(12:51):
If I see notice bulge u wu on Fox New,
I might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have
to leave it. That really fen sucks.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So he's saying that notice bulge ooh wu, which I
read about because I didn't I didn't know what it
was in reference to, and it's apparently for being attracted
to trans people because you notice the bulge and then
you're like, ooh wuo. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I have
to report on that to you, but I think it's
(13:25):
important that we understand that's he's he's dating a man
transitioning to a woman, and he puts that on the
you know, the casings, and he is texting that man
that he's attracted to, saying that if he sees an
off Fox News, he might, you know, have a stroke
or whatever. And then he says right after that, I'm
going to have to leave it. And I assume he's
(13:46):
referencing the rifle as in, leave the rifle in the woods.
I'm not going to be able to get it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I d K.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I think that was a tooth a two K eight
dollar scope. Wink wink, Robinson, Robinson again, Delete this exchange again, Robinson.
My dad wants photos of the rifle, he says, Grandpa
wants to know who has what. The Fed's released a
photo of the rifle and it is very unique.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's called, So now we have his dad. I guess
his dad has seen the photos of the rifle that
has been retrieved from the woods in the towel. If
you guys recall it was published on the news. I
guess his dad saw it and was like, where is
the gun? Where's the rifle that you borrowed or took
from grandpa? And we want photos of it? I guess Otherwise,
(14:42):
I don't know why his dad is asking him for
photos of the rifle, So I guess he's onto his trail.
Very strange on me are and.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my dad
has been pretty diehard maga.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I kind of positive about But what he was saying
there was that I think it was either his grandpa
or his dad were calling him right then, and he's
trying not to talk to them, so they must be
really freaking out, like they recognized that rifle and they
think that Tyler was responsible. I mean, that's that's how
it reads. If this text are even real, little.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In his vehicle, Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly.
One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again,
you are all I worry about. Love that came from
Robinson roommate. I'm much more worried about you. Robinson. Don't
talk to the media. Please, don't take any interviews or
(15:40):
make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask
for a lawyer, and stay silent.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So there you have it, basically, every missing piece, every
ounce of admission of guilt that we could have possibly wanted,
and all the details are now laid bare and just
handed to you on a silver platter. Maybe they're all
totally legit and real, and they'll be able to prove that,
and this kid'll be prosecuted, and it's all this simple.
(16:09):
I don't know. I don't know, but I'm just saying
it is very convenient. Is it's utterly bizarre that you
have managed to pull off such a high stakes criminal act.
And you have now written a physical note to your
trans partner, and you have now texted essentially every detail
(16:33):
that would absolutely put you behind bars for the rest
of your life at a minimum, and you have the
only mechanism for covering your tracks is to tell your
boyfriend to delete the message. Okay, And your big concern
after committing one of the most heinous crimes I've ever
seen in my entire life is that I don't know
(16:53):
how I'm going to deal with my dad. I don't
know Grandpa is going to be so pissed that I
can't get his gun back for him, a murder weapon,
and I gotta get back there to get it. But
there's the vehicles in the way. I don't know. Am
I alone in this? Maybe I am to my tenfoils
too tight? Tell me if it is, because it doesn't
(17:14):
sound right to me. Doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel
like the motivations of someone at all that would be
in this circumstance and how they respond to it. Some
of it does, but like most of it doesn't. Why
in God's name do you want to return a murder
weapon to your grandfather? What? Now? I will say this,
(17:36):
if you're responsible for a high stakes assassination, there's a
distinct possibility that you're a crazy person. Okay, So maybe
if it turns out that he had essentially lost his mind,
that this is all viable, this total illogical way of
thinking and communicating is all viable. Maybe, but I'm not
convinced because we don't have any reports to that, we
(17:58):
don't have any evidence of that. Okay, that's where we're
at for now. There's so much more to unpack, but
I want to start by saying this. Dave Smith did
an episode on the Updates on Charlie Kirk yesterday, and
in it he specifically said people are basically posting and
saying who benefits are Qui Bono and Dave. I think
(18:21):
is a subscriber to my show. He's watched multiple episodes.
He's told me as much. So I felt as if
I was being addressed, I could be wrong. I want
to be very clear about that, and I didn't take
it personally at all. I totally understood the heart with
which he was approaching it, and I just want to
be very clear. Also, I love Dave, So this is
not beef by any stretch of the imagination, but I
(18:41):
did feel like I want to address it one more time.
As of now, we don't have basically any concrete evidence
that Tyler Robinson is responsible for this. So when Dave
says that we don't have any hard, concrete evidence that
Israel is behind this, I agree with him. We don't
have concrete evidence of that either. But until we have
(19:04):
concrete evidence one way or the other, like video evidence
of someone firing them up, and we don't even have
We didn't until these text messages. We didn't even know
where the rifle came from. There is still no round,
the actual round he fired. We don't have any evidence
of that. So we haven't even connected the shot that
actually took his life to the rifle that allegedly belonged
(19:24):
to him that he took from his grandfather. We don't
have that. What we have are text messages that seem strange.
Maybe they're real, maybe they're not, I don't know. And
we have a towel, which cash Bettel says has already
been DNA cross referenced and matches with Tyler Robinson. We
also have grainy footage of a guy, whether or not
(19:46):
at Tiler I don't know, walking down a street going upstairs.
And then we have even more grainy footage of a
man running across a rooftop with what the FBI says
is a rifle in his hand, which I, for the
life of me, cannot see. We don't I have any
video footage of the attack, of the shot being fired.
We don't even have video of Tyler Robertson holding that
firearm at all. Nothing. I don't know if we have
(20:09):
one prior, but I haven't seen one on the day
of at all, so we don't have anything. So I
guess what I'm trying to say is in response to Dave,
I appreciate his perspective, and I appreciate his desire to
turn down the temperature. I want to as well. I
want to make that crystal clear. I do not want
this to escalate into tit for tat violence, and I
don't want to put any of my friends or myself
(20:31):
in further jeopardy. Obviously, so cards on the table. We
share that perspective. But I gotta say this, Dave has
connected the dots as I have as well, from the
Clean Break memo, which is essentially American neo cons writing
a letter to Vivi Netanyahu and they're talking about like
(20:53):
how to move forward in the next century with in
terms of Israeli policy, and he and I and Scott
and everybody else basically connects that dot to our foreign
policy for the next twenty five years. And all I'm
saying is this that still takes a leap of faith,
Like you see these these kind of thought leaders or
whatever that are pulling the strings of power, and they're
(21:16):
manipulating this, manipulating us in our country ultimately into a
bunch of unconstitutionally moral, illegal wars which destroyed kind of
the fabric of this country in my opinion, and destroyed
countless lives. And I'm gonna go I'm gonna give you
all this evidence. First off, you should go back and
watch the episode I just did yesterday, because it gives
you fuck a ton of reason for concern. Smoke, not fire,
(21:37):
but tons of smoke. Like there is not nothing here.
I want to be very clear about that. Charlie Kirk,
in his own words, said he was under pressure. So
there was pressure. I think in some ways we're dealing
with two different stories that even if you believe and
I think it's a distinct possibility, Israel was not responsible
(21:57):
for Charlie Kirk's asassination. Just to make that very clear,
there still is a controversy here and a story here
worth telling, and I hope that it doesn't get lost
in the desire to connect a dot to the actual
attack on Charlie that may not be there, because here's
the real story that no one's talking about right now.
(22:18):
Cannie Owens came out with these wild accusations against Bill Ackman,
Seth Dylan, a handful of others.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
A couple of weeks ago before Charlie lost his life.
Charlie was in the Hampton's and he had more than
one event, but he had essentially what was staged an
intervention by Bill Ackman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts
(22:46):
about Israel or a no, no, this is not the
route that you should be going on, and Charlie was
surrounded by his friends quote unquote friends. Bill Ackman was
very upset and threats were made. It was at this
time that bb net and Yahoo was called and Charlie
(23:08):
was invited to Israel. This was an under duress situation,
I would say so in.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Response obviously bib Net Yah, who ignores it entirely set.
Dylan also refuses to reply. According to kandas I looked
at his timeline, I didn't seen any responses to the allegations.
And then we've got Bill Ackman who comes out with
this lengthy diatribe where he basically acknowledges that yes, there
was a meeting, but no, there was no pressure, replied
and YadA. Yeah, it's very lengthy. You can read it
(23:36):
on X if you want to. There's not much there. It's,
in my opinion, a lot of cover and not a
lot of honesty. Because here's the key thing to remember.
Bill Ackman acknowledges this meeting from August fourth to August fifth.
On August sixth, Charlie Kirk tells Megan Kelly this.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I'm an American citizen. Yes I want Israel to win.
Yes I'm a Christian. But like the some of the
message you saw it, man, you've seen all have been
treated in Meghan by some, not all by some.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No, it's very irritating. It's been so unfair.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
They were coming after you after a turning point for,
among other things, show you a Dave Smith there. Dave
Smith is allowed to crossize Israel.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
What both sides of the Israeli present.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Though, no, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again,
I would just want to repeat for the fifth time.
I love Israel, I want Israel to win, but my
moral character is now being put into question Meghan.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It beggars belief to think that conversation he's having with
Megan in public, on the record is not correlated to
the prior forty eight hours where he's having this meeting. Now,
could it be someone other than Acman that's pressuring him, Yes,
it could be, obviously, But he is being pressured, and
he is being pressured and getting hate mail essentially as
(24:53):
a consequence of him platforming people that they don't want platformed,
specifically Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith, namely and most prominently
Tucker Carlson. They're very upset about Tucker Carlson being at
that event in Tapa a month or so, a couple
weeks prior. I think that's enough to ask real serious questions.
And Candice Owns claims that she has the receipts, and
(25:14):
I am imploring her to publish those receipts. We need
to understand in Charlie's words, because she's alleging that she
had communications, because if she's claiming she has receipts, it
must be Charlie in his own words, or she must
have evidence of the contract that alleges that Israel or
specifically NETNYA who was offering one hundred and fifty million
(25:35):
dollars to Charlie Kirk Antipusa. If that was offered, that's
super notable. And if he turned that down, And if
bb NETNA who is misconstruing or misreporting or leaving out
aspects of the response letter that Charlie Kirk sent to
net Yahoo and in fact that letter is saying I
appreciate the offer, but I like to be independent and
(25:56):
I don't want to have any influence. If he says
something like that, then boom, this all becomes really big.
I don't want to get ahead of myself. I do know,
but if those dots can be connected, that means that
essentially he was under immense pressure as reported on by
Kennie Owns and Tucker Carlson and himself, and he received
(26:17):
an enormous financing offer, specifically from the Prime Minister of
the nation for which he is being pressured because he's
platforming people who are not pro that nation enough. Hello,
that's not nothing. That's a really big deal. And here's
just assume for a second that is nothing to do
with it. Okay, they had nothing to do with the attack.
(26:40):
What you do have What the real story is that
people are ignoring is that Bill Ackman is saying he
put together and funded that meetup of influencers tallying over
one hundred million followers, allegedly that all get together on
that day specifically to talk about how to contend with
counter arguments against our relationship. Is so we have a
(27:03):
I don't know if he I don't think he's Israeli,
but Jewish billionaire Donner and he is basically putting together
a propaganda op, right, what would you call it? That is,
that's essentially a propaganda mill in defense of Israel's interests.
And this is from an American billionaire funding that, and
he published that without shame, as if that's totally acceptable
(27:26):
that you are taking under your wing a bunch of
influencers in America to ostensibly probably fund them. I would
imagine at a minimum, you're literally giving them talking points.
You're having Charlie Cook coach them up on how to
address these counter arguments. Okay, that's enough of a story
that it's worth talking about that people should be aware.
(27:48):
That's how this works. I've told you guys in the past.
There are offers consistently to people in my world to
go to Israel. That's what happens all the time, these
influencer trips. You've even seen comedians talk about it. Bobby
Lee talked about it. I think with Joe Rogan, the
Yvonne there. A bunch of people have mentioned it. So
(28:09):
this is not a unheard of thing by any stretch.
But this is like another level. This is saying that
an American financier is essentially schooling them up and putting
together a huge operation in the Hamptons to have them
sit in and talk to Charlie Kirk and get better
at essentially being a propagandist on behalf of Israel. Pretty
(28:31):
big story. So I'll ask you, are you okay with that?
Are you okay with just imagine that it's not Israel.
Imagine it's China. Imagine it's Russia, that is North Korea?
Are you okay with a foreign government basically being like
having a lobbying arm and financing and giving talking points
to American influencers to craft narrative. I don't like it
(28:53):
at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying
that either, like I am in this world, If I
was offered money or given a boot camp on how
to defend Turkish interests, big kick rocks bitch, what kind
of person accepts this? And I think that's the really
important thing for people to understand. The influencer class is
(29:18):
filled to the brim with people who are not One
they're not intelligent, two they're not principled, and three they
are basically they don't have enough income to sustain themselves,
so they are open for sale. They are open to
be purchased, and they are ready to sell to the
(29:39):
highest bidder. It's just vitally important that everybody who's listening
to this that isn't in my world, that doesn't understand
how this game works, knows that there are And that's
why my circle is relatively small. It's very tight. I
love a lot of people, but it's not a ton.
It's twenty maybe less that I really believe in that.
(30:00):
I think that they're sincere actors, sincere operators in this
world and the rest oooh boy. No, not good folks
and not to be trusted. Can't say definitively in every
instance that just because you're an influencer that went to
one of these events, that you are a total sold
out propaganda's scumbag. But I will say most of you are.
(30:23):
And instead of just blanket labeling all of them, I
just want you to look into it. I would rather
you judge for yourself because I think it's important that
we all make up our own mind. And as I said,
I can't know definitively in each instance, but I'm not
comfortable with it at all. And then when you take
into account the fact that nen Yahoo in Israel is
talking about basically surveillance, you have Israeli politicians talking about
(30:48):
how to counter propaganda narratives from China and Qatar where
he says this.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
This siege that is organized by a few states, one
is China and the other is Qatar, and they're organizing
an attack on israel legitimacy in the social media of
the Western world and the United States. We will have
to counter it, and we will counter it with our
own efforts. I think that's rule number one.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I guess his defense is China and Qatar are
funding propaganda narratives against us, so we get to counter that.
I'm like, one, I don't see any evidence of that.
I don't know anybody that's on the Chinese payroll. And
that's why they're critical of Israel. And I know a
lot of people that are critical of Israel. No, maybe
they are, I don't know, but fucking prove it, dude,
(31:36):
could you prove it please? I haven't heard of any
meetups where Jijinping is flying Ian Carroll and Harrison Smith
and Clint Russell to the Hamptons to coach us on
how to defend Chinese interests better. That doesn't happen. It
doesn't happen. So yeah, it does happen on one direction though,
And they talk about it openly, as if it's no
(31:58):
big deal, as if it's a parent you should accept,
and I just refused. So Dave Smith says he's going
to be because Candice Owen's implored him and Tucker to
release all of their correspondence with Charlie Kirk. Dave Smith
is going to be doing that tonight at eight, So
I'm going to actually hold off. I'm gonna pause this essentially,
and I'm going to complete this episode where I know
(32:19):
what Dave has to say, because I think it's just
more appropriate to do it that way. So this episode
will be released at noon tomorrow, So if you're watching
it tomorrow, Hi tomorrow, friends. But in the meantime, I'm
gonna go grab dinner with my family, so I'll talk
to him and we're back, And there was not much
breaking news, to be honest, Dave did read off his
text between he and Charlie. I think it was back
in March of this year, and it was right after
(32:42):
Dave had been on Joe Rogan and he was doing
the big debate against Douglas Murray and he had trounced
Douglas Murray, which was of no surprise to anybody who's
a fan of Dave. And Charlie was basically saying he
agrees with Dave on almost everything. And I guess, you know,
that's a little bit more evidence that Charlie Kirk was
(33:03):
a little bit more privately, he was a little bit
more reasonable when it comes to his assessment of Israeli
American relations. And I'm not at all surprised by that,
because since I stopped recording we have had now Tucker Carlson. Basically,
Megan Kelly was on the show with Charlie and they're
talking about the pressure that they're receiving for getting like
(33:25):
one degree out of line and how upsetting that is.
So we already know that she's feeling that pressure and
feeling the same concerns that Charlie was. Then you have
Candice Owens coming out with these massive allegations which are
still not totally proven, but you have Cernovich that's backing
her up. You also have Tucker who is backing her up.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He did not like bb ntyah when he said that
to me many times, and he said to people around
him many times, he felt that bb netnya who was
a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was
happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he
believed Netnyah who was using the United States to prosecute
(34:07):
his wars for the benefit of his country, and that
it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States.
And he resented it. And there's no question that Bab's
defenders on the internet will call me a liar or
a kook, but that's a fact, and enough text messages
exist that I think it can probably be verified in
pretty short order, not that it needs to be, because
(34:27):
that is true. Shortly after that speech there was a
very intense attack on Charlie and to some extent, on me.
They went after him and tormented him. Not all, of course,
many were supportive, but the ones who were offended by
my speech. In there was a small, very intense group
who were tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And just a few minutes ago it was Matt Gates
who backed her up. Now, I don't know how you feel,
like just cards on the table. I'm not sure that
Kandice Owns is right about everything. I'm genuinely not. Like,
for instance, I've looked into the Brigitte Macrone theory and
I'm not convinced that that's not a woman, and I
(35:07):
think that she may be doing a really bad thing
in that regard. I'm not confident, so I'm not gonna
say that she's actually wrong, but like, I have my doubts.
So anyways, point being, if you're in my camp and
you're like, I'm not one hundred percent sure that Kandas
is right about everything, and I'm not sure that Kandas
is right about everything when it comes to this story either.
(35:27):
But I'll tell you what I am confident about. I
am confident that she's right that Charlie Kirk was under
a lot of pressure. And if you have Mike Cernovich,
if you have Tucker Carlson backing that up, and now
you have Tucker Carlson who came out with his report,
and you have Matt Gates backing that up, well combined,
you have a person that I trust a lot. That's
(35:48):
like five people that amount to along with Dave, that
amounts to, like, for me, good enough evidence to be like, yes,
I have no doubt, I have no doubt. I mean,
why are we even questioning this. Charlie Kirk said it
himself that he was getting massive hate as a consequence
of that, that there was articles being read about and
(36:08):
he was getting text messages and just you know, being
called an anti Semite like terrible stuff, terrible stuff, especially
for a guy who like professionally carried water for Israel
and now he's getting hate. So they're like, that's pretty
much irrefutable, is it not. So that's that's a fact.
As far as I'm concerned and I am totally in
(36:29):
the Tucker Candace camp as of now. I think, especially
with Matt Gates backing them up, who should have been
the ag Pambondi, you fucking bum.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people
so we show them that some action is better than
no action.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you
are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, and that's across
the aisle.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
There's free speech and then there's hate speech. What are
you some fucking college professor at a Harvard You absolute imbecile.
You're you're the highest law enforcement in this country and
you think that there's hate speech and then there's free speech. No,
I almost said so many bad words just there. Anyways,
(37:29):
I'm not happy with her, and she should be fired.
But then Donald Trump came out today and he said this,
And what.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Do you make Pam Bondi saying she should to go
out for hate speech? Is that?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I mean a lot of people, a lot of your
allies say hate speech is free speech.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
You should probably go after fit. But like you, because
you treat me so unfairly. It's hate. You have a
lot of hate in your heart. Maybe I come after
your ABC. Well, ABC paid me sixteen million dollars recently
for a form of hate speech. Right, your company paid
me sixteen million dollars for a form of So maybe
they'll they're going after you.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So yeah, Trump can resign as far as I'm concerned,
because if you think that hate speech is a thing,
and it is, sure he was trolling the media blah
blah blah, and he doesn't actually mean it, I don't care.
I don't want the president of the United States ever
using the phrase hate speech, and I definitely don't want
the Attorney General of the United States using a phrase
(38:22):
that has no place in American jurisprudence. Hate speech is
not a thing, fucking idiots, It's not a thing. Shut up,
and you can all resign, Okay, just want to be
on the record about that. Anyways, getting back to the point,
So we've got these five people combined that I trust
a lot. You then have a tweet from Harrison Smith
(38:43):
that happens a month prior that has now been confirmed.
I might add, as I mentioned on my last episode
that I was hoping that Max Pelmanhal and Harrison Smith
would get on the phone. They actually they had him
on Harrison's show today and they are yesterday and they
confirmed that in fact, their sources are different. So we
now have two independent sources that are insiders, one of
(39:06):
which is an insider in the White House at least
one of which, and they are basically saying the exact
same thing that Charlie Kirk was not just being pressured,
but he was fearful. So look, maybe this portion is wrong,
Maybe I don't know, but I'm just saying two independent
sources saying the same thing. It's worth considering deeply. I
(39:30):
might add that one of them also said that the
President of the United States is afraid of them. That's
a pretty big deal. Again setting that aside because we
can't prove that definitively, but I'm just saying, you add
that on top of these five people that I trust collectively,
and it's like, I'm convinced. I'm just gonna say it.
(39:51):
I'm convinced. Now what am I convinced of? Because I
think it's very important. I'd be explicit about this because
otherwise I'll be taken way out of context. I am
not convinced that Israel is responsible. I actually think it's
a better than fifty percent chance that this Tyler kid
is the gunman. I think it's probably seventy five eighty
percent chance that he's the one who did it. Now,
(40:12):
am I convinced that he worked alone? Not particularly, And
I'll be honest, I think that Matt Walsh's take about
this is probably the most likely, is that this text
message chain, if it was not just whole cloth created
by the FBI, was probably created by him and his
lover to give cover to his lover, his boyfriend girlfriend.
(40:34):
That's my guess, because it just doesn't read with any
level of authenticity it. I mean, it gives you every
missing detail, as if there was like a list and
they're like, what evidence don't we have so far? And
they're like, well we don't have ABCD and they're like,
put that in a letter, all right, and we got
(40:54):
I mean, it's absurd to me, it's absurd. That's that's
the explanation that Tyler's the gunman maybe, and he crafts
these text messages because he actually orchestrated this plot with
his boyfriend girlfriend, and that's why they crafted these messages
(41:15):
to give them an out, to give them covers. That's
Matt Wilson's theory. I think it's a I think it's
as as likely as anything. So the thing that I
agree with Tucker Candace why I'm in their camp is
because the people that are denying this, the bill Ackmans
of the world, I don't think that they're behaving in
an honorable fashion. And in fact, Dave Smith confirmed that
(41:38):
Josh Hammer is as much of a snake as I
thought he was, and I do not like that guy
at all. I think he's a really really duplicitous, deceptive
actor in this world, and I think he's a propagandist,
and I think he's on the payroll. That's my opinion.
I can't prove that, but I don't think he's a
good person. I really don't. So you've got Josh Hammer's
(42:00):
backing up Acman, and it's like, all right, I've seen enough.
I've seen enough to know that I'm dealing with like
a side that sure, maybe they get stuff wrong periodically,
but at least they are trying for the truth. And
then you have this other side that I'm like, I
don't think you guys are actually interested in telling the truth,
and I think that really there's a better than fifty
percent chance that the cover up is worse than the crime.
(42:23):
I think that the pressure was being applied to Charlie Kirk.
I'm not sure that it was coming from Acman, but
I am fairly confident it was coming during that two
day event, which, by the way, that Turning Point USA
event wasn't publicized. You had photos of some of these
influencers that were taking photos of themselves. None of them
were saying why they were there. Well, let me just
tell you. When it's a big TPUSA event, everyone's hashtagging it,
(42:47):
I'm over at the TPUSA down in Tampa or wherever.
They didn't say where they I mean, they said where
they were at, but they didn't say why they were there,
and they were just like, we're at the Hampton's partying
it up. So point being, I don't think that that
soiree of twenty or thirty, I think it was thirty
plus influencers with Charlie Kirk along with Ackman and others
(43:08):
to coach them up on Israeli talking points or pro
Israel talking points was supposed to be public. I don't
think that was supposed to be publicized, and I think
that they are embarrassed by it. But moreover, I think
that the truth is is that Charlie Kirk was being
pressured very aggressively, and they were very upset, and they
were trying very hard to deplatform Tucker Carlston specifically, and
(43:30):
kind of Dave Smith secondarily. And I think that it
looks bad optically, and they just don't want that to
be out. So I don't I think that the odds
are against them actually ordering a hit against Charlie Kirk.
That would be fucking crazy. I'm not saying it's impossible,
but the odds have to be against that, right, I hope. Anyways,
(43:54):
So I think that that could be all this is
is that the reason that they're lying so aggressively is
because they realized that, like, we're not going to like
the idea that you were pressuring Charlie Kirk to deplatform
Tucker Carlson, and you're going to basically lose your home
on the right wing and the TPUSA audience, which is
millions of young people, young conservatives, which are already skeptical
(44:17):
of Israel, are going to be like, fuck you guys.
So I think that's the that's the least malicious explanation
as to why this is all happening, if I'm reading
this correctly. And maybe it's much worse than that. It's
also a possibility, but I think that's the minimum. That's
my honest opinion as to the minimum. So to recap
(44:37):
for Dave, because I said this was a reply to
Dave Smith, I wanted to give him just a quick
breakdown of all of the bizarre aspects of the story
that I think that he should contend with if he's
going to go Okham's razor on me. We now have
not just one, but two independent sources confirming that Kirk
was scared of Ntnyahoo, including one who said Trump holds
the same fear. Trump, in my opinion, is acting kind
(45:01):
of like he's afraid. Like you're from cash matel Wide
Eyed and Dan Bongino and how they've seen a ghost
and it's like the Epstein files never exists and there's
no there there and all that, and then Trump doing
literally whatever Israel once all the time. All right, So
maybe maybe not. Then we have Sardovich, Tucker Carls, and
Candie Owans Matt Gates now all say that the pressure
(45:22):
from the donors towards Charlie was extraordinary, and many of
those same people now eulogize Charlie Kirk to their own ends,
specifically bb Nenya who, which I think is what really
triggered this backlash, is that Tucker Carlson, Candie Owans were like, no,
the fuck you don't. He was not your best friend.
You shut up. He did not die for your cause,
(45:44):
you're a liar. And I respect that because I think
that that's deeply inappropriate. So that's my opinion. Then you
have maybe Nenhala who going on this media blitz where
he is overtly to Greta's events, thus trend denying that
Israel was responsible for Charlie Kirk's dead.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
It's not only insane, it's I think it's so absurd,
so stupid, so stupid, and so ridiculous. You can't believe
that people are saying that. You know, over the centuries,
when when Jews, especially in the Middle Ages, the horrific
Middle Ages, we were poisoning the wells, we were drinking
(46:24):
the blood of Christian.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Children, you name it.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
I mean these things that continued actually up to the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
And it's like, I mean, have you ever seen an
American assassination story where a foreign politician, the head of
state basically is asked and is denying their involvement in
his murder? Okay, I'm just saying that's odd, is it not.
Then you have you know, BB touring the US just
(46:51):
earlier this year. This Israelly Propaganda Blitz Tour, and he's
doing PbD and he's doing all these other shows. But
his best friend, who he just got this love letter
from and who died for the cause of Israel, allegedly,
according to BB, he doesn't do He doesn't do Charlie
Kirk's show. And I'll just tell you the way Cannie
(47:11):
Owns talked about it, I think that there's a real
good reason for that. I think that Charlie Kirk was
trying to distance himself from him specifically, but that cause
more broadly, not the cause of Israel, but certainly the
cause of that war. I think it really bothered him,
That's my honest opinion. And I think he was trying
(47:32):
to put distance between himself and that because it was
even if it wasn't a moral distinction, it was destroying
his reputation and it was damaging his brand. And I think,
I personally think it would have been done for moral
reasons because I've listened to so many people talk about
him over the past week, and it's evident to me
that he had a very strong moral character, and I
(47:53):
think that he was shifting as a consequence of that
moral character, and he was looking at the death and
destruction and everything else and he was just like, I've
got to I've got to get away from this. So
that's my opinion. But Babe comes to the States, does
this media blitz, doesn't do Charlie's show his best Friend? Okay,
(48:13):
then you have the text evidence from Tyler Robinson, which
is undeniably strange. Also, he's trying to return the murder
weapon to his grandfather. Okay. We also don't have any
ballistic match between the round which hasn't even been found,
the round that actually took Charlie's life not found, And
we don't have any ballistic match obviously because we don't
(48:34):
have it to match that to the alleged murder weapon
which was found in the woods in a tel after
he ran off the rooftop and jumped down, even though
in that video you can't see it. But then to
explain away the fact that you can't see that rifle
when he jumps down, it's because it had been disassembled,
which takes multiple minutes and requires a screwdriver, which cash
(48:57):
Bettell says that they found the screwdriver and that's why.
But also then he reassembled it to ditch it in
the woods. Okay, makes sense. Then we also have no
footage of him with that weapon or firing the weapon
or anything like that, so that's another missing link. And
then you also have not one, but two people allegedly
(49:19):
claiming responsibility for the attack on Charlie Kirk within seconds
of an actual fatal attack on Charlie Kirk from someone
other than them, but they're not related to one another, okay.
And then also, oh I might add one of them
was present for nine to eleven, and he also has
(49:39):
CSM on his phone because whenever I go to a
public speaking event for some politico, I make sure if
there's an attack on that speaker to have immediately announced
myself as being the responsible party. And also I make
sure that I have very criminal photos on my phone simultaneously,
(50:01):
I probably shouldn't said that's gonna take out of context. Anyways,
what I'm saying is it's absurd. What the what the fuck?
Story is that so so strange? All right, So you
got that whole litany of questions that still need to
be answered, and then you have your people. You got Tucker,
you got Candice Uh, you got Max Blumenthal too. I
(50:22):
think your buddies with him, like whether or not they're
right about everything, they definitely, as I said, I think
that they've all all of them have got stuff wrong,
for sure, But I think that they are all good
actors in the sense that they are interested in the truth.
And I cannot say the same about the people that
are refuting them, and I have to rely on that
(50:43):
to some extent. So you combine all of these things,
and I think that it's fair. It's fair to continue digging,
it's fair to continue seeking for additional evidence to actually
convince us of what happened on that day, because even
though it's only been a week, in some ways, I
(51:03):
feel like, and this is the one thing. I don't
know if Dave would say this, but I think he
would agree with me is that in some ways, I
don't like that this, this portion of the story has
gotten so much focus that you know, Israel might be
behind it, because we don't know that. We definitely don't
know that, and I think in some ways it could.
(51:25):
It could if it's not true, it could serve as
a distraction from the focus, and the focus should be
making sure that you get the right fucking person or
persons perhaps that are responsible for this, because we need
to know. And I this is what I said during
the first breakdown of this story, which, by the way,
(51:47):
thank you guys all so much for watching it. You know,
lots of people watch, so many comments and everybody was
very pumped about the coverage that I gave to it,
so I really appreciated the feedback. But as I said
during that episode, you know, that's my primary concern because
as much as you know, primary primary concern justice for
Charlie and his kids and his wife, his family. But moreover,
(52:09):
we cannot let this be another Butler. We cannot have
just massive gaps of knowledge and of total you know,
void in a conclusive story as to what transpired and
why and who and justice, because this cannot be normalized
in this country. We cannot have political assassinations become normalized
(52:34):
in this country. And that is my deepest concern, is
that this infighting amongst the influencer class, many of which
I like, full guards on the table. I do not
want it to lose sight of what matters most is
that this does not happen to anybody else, and that
this does not become a common occurrence in our country.
(52:57):
And I think, I think, and I'm pretty confident that
everybody involved would and should at minimum agree with what
I'm saying right now. It is. It is very important,
super super super super important, and I hope everybody watching
this agrees with me, agrees with me, and does not
(53:17):
want to live in a country like that. I don't
want to live in some third world hell whole where
people get pot like Mexico, where there's every election season
there's like dozens of politicians that get whacked. That shit sucks.
I don't want to live in some third world hell
whole like that. And we're perilously close. So anyways, the
point that I was trying to make earlier that I
(53:37):
don't think I made really eloquently is, like I'm not
saying because Dave agrees with clean break and he thinks
that the neo cons and that policy became reality, like
you connect those dots, and therefore our foreign policy was
a consequence of what benefits Israel and not so much
American interests that he needs to agree with this story.
(53:59):
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, keep an
open mind, that's it. And and I think that you know,
in honor of Charlie, we need to know for sure.
We need to know for sure. And I just don't
think and I don't think Dave's closing off this option,
just just to be clear. But those that are those
(54:19):
that are laughing it off as if it's just a
total impossibility, couldn't happen. They just to recap countless assassinations
over the past three years, countless and for the record,
since their beginning, since forty eight, since they started. It's
like it's just like a litany of assassinations, like they're
(54:40):
like the best at it, if you want to put
best as the term to describe that. But then the
patrio attacks against Hesbela and so so many they just
struck Katar to try and take out hamas leadership in
a country that is an American ally against American desires
(55:01):
and permissions. Allegedly. It's nuts. It's nuts, so so for
people to say like, oh, it can't be happening you
ohe oh it is. It's really good looking. I'm not
saying it's Israel. But if you think it's impossible, you're
fucking not paying attention. You're not paying attention. It is possible,
(55:22):
And I'm going to keep digging, and I'm confident that
Candice Owns and Douger Carlson are going to keep digging.
And I think we're gonna have some receipts that demonstrate
exactly how Charlie Kirk felt about BBN net and Yahoo
and how he felt about the attempts to pressure him
and deplatform Tucker and everything else. I think that's going
to be released in the not too distant future. And
(55:43):
when it does, oh, boy, strap in because a lot
of liars are going to be shown to be liars.
And if I'm wrong, well then I'll apologize, but I
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I mean, right to the very end. This cannot get bigger.
We don't want another regime change war. But man, some
of the people who send money to Turning Point, his
donors were very tough on him, so tough on him
that I could feel it. You know. I talked to
him a lot in the last few months, and he
was under enormous pressure. He never bent, he never became better.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
He kept his integrity to the very end, to the
very end.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
And I just think it's important to say.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
That because it's true enormous pressure. That is what Tucker
Carlson had to say to jd Vance just a day
or two ago. Look, there are rare times like oftentimes,
when I'm preparing for a show, I'm like, I need
more info. I'm digging, I'm trying to grab more stuff
because I just don't have enough to paint a full picture.
This is the first time where I'm like, I have
too much info. I have too much on the plate
(00:47):
to possibly give you a meal that makes any sense.
And I'm struggling to figure out what to put into
this and what to leave out. But I'm going to
include everything that's vitally important, and this is going to
be a very deep. In fact, it may be a
two parter because the difference of opinion. I'll put it
like that, from one side, the Candice Owen's Tucker Carlson
(01:08):
Dave to a certain extent side versus all of the
more Prozinis influencers side is diametrically opposed, to put it mildly,
and there's threats of litigation and accusations of slander, and
it is getting very spicy, very rapidly. Again, as I
open up my prior episode with a big, long diatribe
explaining my point of view, I'm going to do a
(01:30):
similar thing here, but I'm going to keep it much shorter. Again.
I am only interested in getting to the truth of
this case. Tyler Robinson is a twenty two year old man.
There is a press conference that was just done minutes
ago where they read off a text message chain between
he and his lover. We're going to break down the
entire thing because it is so utterly bizarre, but I
(01:52):
just want to start by saying, before we even read
it and assume that it's real, this is a twenty
two year old who, at the end of it says,
delete these messages. The primary the gist of the conversation
is that most of the time he's talking about how
he's going to get away with it, how I have
to go back to try and get the rifle, got
to get the rifle back to my grandpa. Why you're
concerned about returning a murder weapon to your grandfather. Shouldn't
(02:15):
you be getting rid of that anyways? But then he
closes with delete all these messages, my love, and it's look,
I don't know twenty two year olds, probably as well
as everybody. I don't have a twenty two year old,
I don't know. But allegedly this guy had a four
point zero GPA, scored crazy high in as acts, was
like very well put together intellectually intelligence, and he thinks
(02:38):
that he planned an assassination plot. He then wrote a
physical message which he put under the keyboard for his
lover to look at, and he also texted every missing
detail about this case to his boyfriend right before he
turns himself in. All right, Well, what I've noticed already
(02:58):
in the aftermath of this breaking news is that those
that want to be convinced that the official narrative is accurate, go,
we got it, told you. This is everything we needed.
This is everything we were missing, open and shut case,
life in prison or worse, and everybody else who was
already skeptical is just additionally skeptical. So let's get into it.
(03:19):
Let's go through this video. It's really important that we
just continue to keep an open mind here because there
are details that are missing that have been filled in
very conveniently with this testimony that gets read off.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological now who was involved
in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police
that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting,
and he did provide those messages to police. On September tenth,
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twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from
Robinson which said, draw what you're doing. Look under my keyboard.
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note
that stated, quote I had the opportunity to take out
Charlie Kirk, and I'm going to take it. Police found
(04:13):
a photograph of this note.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Okay, so we got to pause there. First off, just
to refresh your memory. September tenth is the day of
the attack. So these text messages begin on the day
of the attack, when he is still on the lamb
and he's trying to get away with it, and allegedly
he has written a letter or on a I don't know,
post it note or whatever, saying I see an opportunity
(04:37):
to take Charlie kirk Out says his name, full name,
a little strange, and I'm going to take it, okay.
So that's where we start. Now we have this testimony
from Cash Betel, which I'll show you in a second,
where he says that basically thanks to their aggressive interviewing
posture or some nonsense like that, that they were able
to get this document. But he says it was destroyed.
(05:00):
Makes me feel as if his boyfriend probably burnt it.
So I guess they are alleging that they have the
ashes of the burnt piece of paper and they were
able to forensically put it back together or something. I
don't know. That's all missing pieces, but it's worth noting.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Did he write a written note before before the assassination attempt?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
That's what the governor said yesterday, And what did that say?
Speaker 4 (05:23):
If you could see what I'm able to say, I'm sorry,
So what was what I'm able to say, is I
addressed it partially earlier. Is that the written note we
believe what did exist, and we have evidence to show
what was in that note, which is and I'm going
to summarize basically saying, the suspect wrote a note saying
I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and
(05:43):
I'm going to take it. That note was written before
the shooting. Evidence of its existence, we now have learned
existed before the shooting was in the location in the
suspect and partner's home. But we have since learned that
the note, even though it has been destroyed, we have
found for evidence of the note, and we have confirmed
what that note says because of our aggressive interview posture
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at the FBI.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
After reading the note, the roommate responded, what you're joking, right, Robinson?
I am still okay, my love, but am stuck in
orum for a little while longer yet shouldn't be long
until I can come home. But I got to grab
my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to
(06:29):
keep this secret till I died of old age. I
am sorry to involve you, roommate. You weren't the one
who did it. Right, Robinson, I am, I am, I'm sorry, roommate.
I thought they caught the person Robinson. No, they grabbed
some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
(06:50):
I had planned to grab my rifle from my drop
point shortly after, but most of that side of town
got locked down.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
All right, we gotta posit there again. So what he's
referencing is the old guy Zen I think was his
last name, who was arrested or detained. I don't know
if he was actually arrested, but he was detained right
after the attack because he said I did it. He
was claiming responsibility. And there's reports breaking today that say
(07:19):
that one he has been prosecuted with having child sexual
abuse material on his telephone and admitting that he was
attracted to five to twelve year olds. What okay? Setting
that portion aside, which is weird enough in its own right,
he also took claim for an assassination explicitly, according to
(07:41):
this report, because he wanted the actual shooter to get
away with it. What okay. So yeah, now here's the
weird thing about this press conference and what he's saying
with these text messages. So where to believe that Tyler
Robinson has committed this atrocious act. He is on the run,
(08:01):
He is texting his lover, and he is still privy
to the fact that there were multiple people arrested that
were not responsible. He knows that the one guy was crazy,
and he knows that the other guy was dressed like him.
I guess he's just sitting around watching the news on
his phone and that's how he has this information. But
he's still on the run. Okay, maybe I'm just saying, like,
(08:24):
these are all these are all important things. We have
to ask how does he know these things? Because you
would think he's under immense stress and he's trying to
dodge cops and he's even saying that side of town's
already shut down. So it's just interesting. All right, let's
keep it going.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
It's quiet, almost enough to get out. But there's one
vehicle lingering. Roommate, Why Robinson, Why did I do it?
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Roommate? Yeah, I gotta pause it there. Sorry, I'm gonna
I'm gonna pause this a lot. He says, there's one
vehicle lingering. Now, I don't talk like that. I don't
think I ever say vehicle when I'm talking about a
car in a text message. Ever, maybe he's just very strange.
I don't know. I just want to point out all
(09:11):
of the weird aspects of the language utilized here, reminding
you that these are twenty two year olds that are
talking via text message.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Allegedly, Robinson, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate
can't be negotiated out. If I am able to grab
my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence. Going
to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they have moved on.
I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate, how
(09:40):
long have you?
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I got a posit again because it's interesting. I mean
my recollection is that they found the rifle in the
woods very rapidly. So I guess he is following the
news close enough to know that they have detained or
arrested multiple people who are not responsible for the attack,
But he is not aware that they have found the
(10:01):
rifle in the blanket or the towel. Okay, just making
sure we're all on the same page and planning this.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Robinson a bit over a week, I believe I can
get close to it, but there is a squad car
parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot,
but I don't want to chance it. Robinson again, I'm
wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon
as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my
old man would do if I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, this is where it gets super fucking strange, like
totally beyond the pale, unbelievable. So this kid has just
committed probably the highest profile assassination since the Civil rights era.
I mean, it's up there, right, and his concern well,
(10:54):
he's still on the run. Well, he still doesn't have
the murder weapon in his possession to get rid of it,
to destroy the evidence. He is concerned about getting the
murder weapon back to his grandfather. This is a allegedly
four point zero GPA kid. He thinks he's going to
return the murder weapon of a high profile assassination to
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his grandfather, and he's concerned about what his dad will
do if he doesn't. You've just committed murder in a
state where there's a death penalty, and you are concerned
about returning a rifle which you borrowed or stole from
your grandfather. Ah, what the fuck? I mean, very strange.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Id E K if it's had a serial number, but
it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince. I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits,
didn't have.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
The pausing again, if this firearm is owned by his grandfather,
and if it has a serial number, well then it
would trace to his grandfather. So he says, it wouldn't
trace to me. Dude, yes it would. They're not gonna
you know, they'll go talk to your grandfather. The grandfather
will say I was with you know, my grit, you
(12:07):
know my uh, my wife, and I wasn't I was,
I have an alibi? Well where is your firearm? They're
gonna say, I don't know. And then they're gonna say,
all right, well we're gonna check surveillance, we're gonna figure
out where where it went, and then they're gonna eventually
connect the tyler. So like, what I mean is this kid?
Is this kid smart or the dumbest criminal ever?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
The ability or time to bring it with I might
have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.
How the F will I explain losing it to my
old man? Only thing I left was the rapple was
the rifle wrapped in a towel, remember how it was engraving.
Both the f in messages are mostly a big meme.
(12:51):
If I see notice bulge u wu on Fox New,
I might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have
to leave it. That really fen sucks.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
So he's saying that notice bulge ooh wu, which I
read about because I didn't I didn't know what it
was in reference to, and it's apparently for being attracted
to trans people because you notice the bulge and then
you're like, ooh wuo. I'm sorry. I'm sorry I have
to report on that to you, but I think it's
(13:25):
important that we understand that's he's he's dating a man
transitioning to a woman, and he puts that on the
you know, the casings, and he is texting that man
that he's attracted to, saying that if he sees an
off Fox News, he might, you know, have a stroke
or whatever. And then he says right after that, I'm
going to have to leave it. And I assume he's
(13:46):
referencing the rifle as in, leave the rifle in the woods.
I'm not going to be able to get it.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Judging from today, I'd say Grandpa's gun does just fine.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I d K.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
I think that was a tooth a two K eight
dollar scope. Wink wink, Robinson, Robinson again, Delete this exchange again, Robinson.
My dad wants photos of the rifle, he says, Grandpa
wants to know who has what. The Fed's released a
photo of the rifle and it is very unique.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
He's called, So now we have his dad. I guess
his dad has seen the photos of the rifle that
has been retrieved from the woods in the towel. If
you guys recall it was published on the news. I
guess his dad saw it and was like, where is
the gun? Where's the rifle that you borrowed or took
from grandpa? And we want photos of it? I guess Otherwise,
(14:42):
I don't know why his dad is asking him for
photos of the rifle, So I guess he's onto his trail.
Very strange on me are and.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
Not answering Robinson. Since Trump got into office, my dad
has been pretty diehard maga.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I kind of positive about But what he was saying
there was that I think it was either his grandpa
or his dad were calling him right then, and he's
trying not to talk to them, so they must be
really freaking out, like they recognized that rifle and they
think that Tyler was responsible. I mean, that's that's how
it reads. If this text are even real, little.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
In his vehicle, Robinson, I'm going to turn myself in willingly.
One of my neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. Again,
you are all I worry about. Love that came from
Robinson roommate. I'm much more worried about you. Robinson. Don't
talk to the media. Please, don't take any interviews or
(15:40):
make any comments. If any police ask you questions, ask
for a lawyer, and stay silent.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
So there you have it, basically, every missing piece, every
ounce of admission of guilt that we could have possibly wanted,
and all the details are now laid bare and just
handed to you on a silver platter. Maybe they're all
totally legit and real, and they'll be able to prove that,
and this kid'll be prosecuted, and it's all this simple.
(16:09):
I don't know. I don't know, but I'm just saying
it is very convenient. Is it's utterly bizarre that you
have managed to pull off such a high stakes criminal act.
And you have now written a physical note to your
trans partner, and you have now texted essentially every detail
(16:33):
that would absolutely put you behind bars for the rest
of your life at a minimum, and you have the
only mechanism for covering your tracks is to tell your
boyfriend to delete the message. Okay, And your big concern
after committing one of the most heinous crimes I've ever
seen in my entire life is that I don't know
(16:53):
how I'm going to deal with my dad. I don't
know Grandpa is going to be so pissed that I
can't get his gun back for him, a murder weapon,
and I gotta get back there to get it. But
there's the vehicles in the way. I don't know. Am
I alone in this? Maybe I am to my tenfoils
too tight? Tell me if it is, because it doesn't
(17:14):
sound right to me. Doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel
like the motivations of someone at all that would be
in this circumstance and how they respond to it. Some
of it does, but like most of it doesn't. Why
in God's name do you want to return a murder
weapon to your grandfather? What? Now? I will say this,
(17:36):
if you're responsible for a high stakes assassination, there's a
distinct possibility that you're a crazy person. Okay, So maybe
if it turns out that he had essentially lost his mind,
that this is all viable, this total illogical way of
thinking and communicating is all viable. Maybe, but I'm not
convinced because we don't have any reports to that, we
(17:58):
don't have any evidence of that. Okay, that's where we're
at for now. There's so much more to unpack, but
I want to start by saying this. Dave Smith did
an episode on the Updates on Charlie Kirk yesterday, and
in it he specifically said people are basically posting and
saying who benefits are Qui Bono and Dave. I think
(18:21):
is a subscriber to my show. He's watched multiple episodes.
He's told me as much. So I felt as if
I was being addressed, I could be wrong. I want
to be very clear about that, and I didn't take
it personally at all. I totally understood the heart with
which he was approaching it, and I just want to
be very clear. Also, I love Dave, So this is
not beef by any stretch of the imagination, but I
(18:41):
did feel like I want to address it one more time.
As of now, we don't have basically any concrete evidence
that Tyler Robinson is responsible for this. So when Dave
says that we don't have any hard, concrete evidence that
Israel is behind this, I agree with him. We don't
have concrete evidence of that either. But until we have
(19:04):
concrete evidence one way or the other, like video evidence
of someone firing them up, and we don't even have
We didn't until these text messages. We didn't even know
where the rifle came from. There is still no round,
the actual round he fired. We don't have any evidence
of that. So we haven't even connected the shot that
actually took his life to the rifle that allegedly belonged
(19:24):
to him that he took from his grandfather. We don't
have that. What we have are text messages that seem strange.
Maybe they're real, maybe they're not, I don't know. And
we have a towel, which cash Bettel says has already
been DNA cross referenced and matches with Tyler Robinson. We
also have grainy footage of a guy, whether or not
(19:46):
at Tiler I don't know, walking down a street going upstairs.
And then we have even more grainy footage of a
man running across a rooftop with what the FBI says
is a rifle in his hand, which I, for the
life of me, cannot see. We don't I have any
video footage of the attack, of the shot being fired.
We don't even have video of Tyler Robertson holding that
firearm at all. Nothing. I don't know if we have
(20:09):
one prior, but I haven't seen one on the day
of at all, so we don't have anything. So I
guess what I'm trying to say is in response to Dave,
I appreciate his perspective, and I appreciate his desire to
turn down the temperature. I want to as well. I
want to make that crystal clear. I do not want
this to escalate into tit for tat violence, and I
don't want to put any of my friends or myself
(20:31):
in further jeopardy. Obviously, so cards on the table. We
share that perspective. But I gotta say this, Dave has
connected the dots as I have as well, from the
Clean Break memo, which is essentially American neo cons writing
a letter to Vivi Netanyahu and they're talking about like
(20:53):
how to move forward in the next century with in
terms of Israeli policy, and he and I and Scott
and everybody else basically connects that dot to our foreign
policy for the next twenty five years. And all I'm
saying is this that still takes a leap of faith,
Like you see these these kind of thought leaders or
whatever that are pulling the strings of power, and they're
(21:16):
manipulating this, manipulating us in our country ultimately into a
bunch of unconstitutionally moral, illegal wars which destroyed kind of
the fabric of this country in my opinion, and destroyed
countless lives. And I'm gonna go I'm gonna give you
all this evidence. First off, you should go back and
watch the episode I just did yesterday, because it gives
you fuck a ton of reason for concern. Smoke, not fire,
(21:37):
but tons of smoke. Like there is not nothing here.
I want to be very clear about that. Charlie Kirk,
in his own words, said he was under pressure. So
there was pressure. I think in some ways we're dealing
with two different stories that even if you believe and
I think it's a distinct possibility, Israel was not responsible
(21:57):
for Charlie Kirk's asassination. Just to make that very clear,
there still is a controversy here and a story here
worth telling, and I hope that it doesn't get lost
in the desire to connect a dot to the actual
attack on Charlie that may not be there, because here's
the real story that no one's talking about right now.
(22:18):
Cannie Owens came out with these wild accusations against Bill Ackman,
Seth Dylan, a handful of others.
Speaker 5 (22:23):
A couple of weeks ago before Charlie lost his life.
Charlie was in the Hampton's and he had more than
one event, but he had essentially what was staged an
intervention by Bill Ackman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts
(22:46):
about Israel or a no, no, this is not the
route that you should be going on, and Charlie was
surrounded by his friends quote unquote friends. Bill Ackman was
very upset and threats were made. It was at this
time that bb net and Yahoo was called and Charlie
(23:08):
was invited to Israel. This was an under duress situation,
I would say so in.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Response obviously bib Net Yah, who ignores it entirely set.
Dylan also refuses to reply. According to kandas I looked
at his timeline, I didn't seen any responses to the allegations.
And then we've got Bill Ackman who comes out with
this lengthy diatribe where he basically acknowledges that yes, there
was a meeting, but no, there was no pressure, replied
and YadA. Yeah, it's very lengthy. You can read it
(23:36):
on X if you want to. There's not much there. It's,
in my opinion, a lot of cover and not a
lot of honesty. Because here's the key thing to remember.
Bill Ackman acknowledges this meeting from August fourth to August fifth.
On August sixth, Charlie Kirk tells Megan Kelly this.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
I'm an American citizen. Yes I want Israel to win.
Yes I'm a Christian. But like the some of the
message you saw it, man, you've seen all have been
treated in Meghan by some, not all by some.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
No, it's very irritating. It's been so unfair.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
They were coming after you after a turning point for,
among other things, show you a Dave Smith there. Dave
Smith is allowed to crossize Israel.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
What both sides of the Israeli present.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
Though, no, you're not allowed to. It's even worse than that. Again,
I would just want to repeat for the fifth time.
I love Israel, I want Israel to win, but my
moral character is now being put into question Meghan.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
It beggars belief to think that conversation he's having with
Megan in public, on the record is not correlated to
the prior forty eight hours where he's having this meeting. Now,
could it be someone other than Acman that's pressuring him, Yes,
it could be, obviously, But he is being pressured, and
he is being pressured and getting hate mail essentially as
(24:53):
a consequence of him platforming people that they don't want platformed,
specifically Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith, namely and most prominently
Tucker Carlson. They're very upset about Tucker Carlson being at
that event in Tapa a month or so, a couple
weeks prior. I think that's enough to ask real serious questions.
And Candice Owns claims that she has the receipts, and
(25:14):
I am imploring her to publish those receipts. We need
to understand in Charlie's words, because she's alleging that she
had communications, because if she's claiming she has receipts, it
must be Charlie in his own words, or she must
have evidence of the contract that alleges that Israel or
specifically NETNYA who was offering one hundred and fifty million
(25:35):
dollars to Charlie Kirk Antipusa. If that was offered, that's
super notable. And if he turned that down, And if
bb NETNA who is misconstruing or misreporting or leaving out
aspects of the response letter that Charlie Kirk sent to
net Yahoo and in fact that letter is saying I
appreciate the offer, but I like to be independent and
(25:56):
I don't want to have any influence. If he says
something like that, then boom, this all becomes really big.
I don't want to get ahead of myself. I do know,
but if those dots can be connected, that means that
essentially he was under immense pressure as reported on by
Kennie Owns and Tucker Carlson and himself, and he received
(26:17):
an enormous financing offer, specifically from the Prime Minister of
the nation for which he is being pressured because he's
platforming people who are not pro that nation enough. Hello,
that's not nothing. That's a really big deal. And here's
just assume for a second that is nothing to do
with it. Okay, they had nothing to do with the attack.
(26:40):
What you do have What the real story is that
people are ignoring is that Bill Ackman is saying he
put together and funded that meetup of influencers tallying over
one hundred million followers, allegedly that all get together on
that day specifically to talk about how to contend with
counter arguments against our relationship. Is so we have a
(27:03):
I don't know if he I don't think he's Israeli,
but Jewish billionaire Donner and he is basically putting together
a propaganda op, right, what would you call it? That is,
that's essentially a propaganda mill in defense of Israel's interests.
And this is from an American billionaire funding that, and
he published that without shame, as if that's totally acceptable
(27:26):
that you are taking under your wing a bunch of
influencers in America to ostensibly probably fund them. I would
imagine at a minimum, you're literally giving them talking points.
You're having Charlie Cook coach them up on how to
address these counter arguments. Okay, that's enough of a story
that it's worth talking about that people should be aware.
(27:48):
That's how this works. I've told you guys in the past.
There are offers consistently to people in my world to
go to Israel. That's what happens all the time, these
influencer trips. You've even seen comedians talk about it. Bobby
Lee talked about it. I think with Joe Rogan, the
Yvonne there. A bunch of people have mentioned it. So
(28:09):
this is not a unheard of thing by any stretch.
But this is like another level. This is saying that
an American financier is essentially schooling them up and putting
together a huge operation in the Hamptons to have them
sit in and talk to Charlie Kirk and get better
at essentially being a propagandist on behalf of Israel. Pretty
(28:31):
big story. So I'll ask you, are you okay with that?
Are you okay with just imagine that it's not Israel.
Imagine it's China. Imagine it's Russia, that is North Korea?
Are you okay with a foreign government basically being like
having a lobbying arm and financing and giving talking points
to American influencers to craft narrative. I don't like it
(28:53):
at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with saying
that either, like I am in this world, If I
was offered money or given a boot camp on how
to defend Turkish interests, big kick rocks bitch, what kind
of person accepts this? And I think that's the really
important thing for people to understand. The influencer class is
(29:18):
filled to the brim with people who are not One
they're not intelligent, two they're not principled, and three they
are basically they don't have enough income to sustain themselves,
so they are open for sale. They are open to
be purchased, and they are ready to sell to the
(29:39):
highest bidder. It's just vitally important that everybody who's listening
to this that isn't in my world, that doesn't understand
how this game works, knows that there are And that's
why my circle is relatively small. It's very tight. I
love a lot of people, but it's not a ton.
It's twenty maybe less that I really believe in that.
(30:00):
I think that they're sincere actors, sincere operators in this
world and the rest oooh boy. No, not good folks
and not to be trusted. Can't say definitively in every
instance that just because you're an influencer that went to
one of these events, that you are a total sold
out propaganda's scumbag. But I will say most of you are.
(30:23):
And instead of just blanket labeling all of them, I
just want you to look into it. I would rather
you judge for yourself because I think it's important that
we all make up our own mind. And as I said,
I can't know definitively in each instance, but I'm not
comfortable with it at all. And then when you take
into account the fact that nen Yahoo in Israel is
talking about basically surveillance, you have Israeli politicians talking about
(30:48):
how to counter propaganda narratives from China and Qatar where
he says this.
Speaker 7 (30:54):
This siege that is organized by a few states, one
is China and the other is Qatar, and they're organizing
an attack on israel legitimacy in the social media of
the Western world and the United States. We will have
to counter it, and we will counter it with our
own efforts. I think that's rule number one.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
So I guess his defense is China and Qatar are
funding propaganda narratives against us, so we get to counter that.
I'm like, one, I don't see any evidence of that.
I don't know anybody that's on the Chinese payroll. And
that's why they're critical of Israel. And I know a
lot of people that are critical of Israel. No, maybe
they are, I don't know, but fucking prove it, dude,
(31:36):
could you prove it please? I haven't heard of any
meetups where Jijinping is flying Ian Carroll and Harrison Smith
and Clint Russell to the Hamptons to coach us on
how to defend Chinese interests better. That doesn't happen. It
doesn't happen. So yeah, it does happen on one direction though,
And they talk about it openly, as if it's no
(31:58):
big deal, as if it's a parent you should accept,
and I just refused. So Dave Smith says he's going
to be because Candice Owen's implored him and Tucker to
release all of their correspondence with Charlie Kirk. Dave Smith
is going to be doing that tonight at eight, So
I'm going to actually hold off. I'm gonna pause this essentially,
and I'm going to complete this episode where I know
(32:19):
what Dave has to say, because I think it's just
more appropriate to do it that way. So this episode
will be released at noon tomorrow, So if you're watching
it tomorrow, Hi tomorrow, friends. But in the meantime, I'm
gonna go grab dinner with my family, so I'll talk
to him and we're back, And there was not much
breaking news, to be honest, Dave did read off his
text between he and Charlie. I think it was back
in March of this year, and it was right after
(32:42):
Dave had been on Joe Rogan and he was doing
the big debate against Douglas Murray and he had trounced
Douglas Murray, which was of no surprise to anybody who's
a fan of Dave. And Charlie was basically saying he
agrees with Dave on almost everything. And I guess, you know,
that's a little bit more evidence that Charlie Kirk was
(33:03):
a little bit more privately, he was a little bit
more reasonable when it comes to his assessment of Israeli
American relations. And I'm not at all surprised by that,
because since I stopped recording we have had now Tucker Carlson. Basically,
Megan Kelly was on the show with Charlie and they're
talking about the pressure that they're receiving for getting like
(33:25):
one degree out of line and how upsetting that is.
So we already know that she's feeling that pressure and
feeling the same concerns that Charlie was. Then you have
Candice Owens coming out with these massive allegations which are
still not totally proven, but you have Cernovich that's backing
her up. You also have Tucker who is backing her up.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
He did not like bb ntyah when he said that
to me many times, and he said to people around
him many times, he felt that bb netnya who was
a very destructive force. He was appalled by what was
happening in Gaza. He was above all resentful that he
believed Netnyah who was using the United States to prosecute
(34:07):
his wars for the benefit of his country, and that
it was shameful and embarrassing and bad for the United States.
And he resented it. And there's no question that Bab's
defenders on the internet will call me a liar or
a kook, but that's a fact, and enough text messages
exist that I think it can probably be verified in
pretty short order, not that it needs to be, because
(34:27):
that is true. Shortly after that speech there was a
very intense attack on Charlie and to some extent, on me.
They went after him and tormented him. Not all, of course,
many were supportive, but the ones who were offended by
my speech. In there was a small, very intense group
who were tormented Charlie Kirk until the day he died.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And just a few minutes ago it was Matt Gates
who backed her up. Now, I don't know how you feel,
like just cards on the table. I'm not sure that
Kandice Owns is right about everything. I'm genuinely not. Like,
for instance, I've looked into the Brigitte Macrone theory and
I'm not convinced that that's not a woman, and I
(35:07):
think that she may be doing a really bad thing
in that regard. I'm not confident, so I'm not gonna
say that she's actually wrong, but like, I have my doubts.
So anyways, point being, if you're in my camp and
you're like, I'm not one hundred percent sure that Kandas
is right about everything, and I'm not sure that Kandas
is right about everything when it comes to this story either.
(35:27):
But I'll tell you what I am confident about. I
am confident that she's right that Charlie Kirk was under
a lot of pressure. And if you have Mike Cernovich,
if you have Tucker Carlson backing that up, and now
you have Tucker Carlson who came out with his report,
and you have Matt Gates backing that up, well combined,
you have a person that I trust a lot. That's
(35:48):
like five people that amount to along with Dave, that
amounts to, like, for me, good enough evidence to be like, yes,
I have no doubt, I have no doubt. I mean,
why are we even questioning this. Charlie Kirk said it
himself that he was getting massive hate as a consequence
of that, that there was articles being read about and
(36:08):
he was getting text messages and just you know, being
called an anti Semite like terrible stuff, terrible stuff, especially
for a guy who like professionally carried water for Israel
and now he's getting hate. So they're like, that's pretty
much irrefutable, is it not. So that's that's a fact.
As far as I'm concerned and I am totally in
(36:29):
the Tucker Candace camp as of now. I think, especially
with Matt Gates backing them up, who should have been
the ag Pambondi, you fucking bum.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
There's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there
is no place, especially now, especially after what happened to
Charlie in our society.
Speaker 8 (36:47):
Do you see more law enforcement going after these groups
who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people
so we show them that some action is better than
no action.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
We will absolutely target you, go after you if you
are targeting anyone with hate speech anything, and that's across
the aisle.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
There's free speech and then there's hate speech. What are
you some fucking college professor at a Harvard You absolute imbecile.
You're you're the highest law enforcement in this country and
you think that there's hate speech and then there's free speech. No,
I almost said so many bad words just there. Anyways,
(37:29):
I'm not happy with her, and she should be fired.
But then Donald Trump came out today and he said this,
And what.
Speaker 9 (37:35):
Do you make Pam Bondi saying she should to go
out for hate speech? Is that?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
I mean a lot of people, a lot of your
allies say hate speech is free speech.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
You should probably go after fit. But like you, because
you treat me so unfairly. It's hate. You have a
lot of hate in your heart. Maybe I come after
your ABC. Well, ABC paid me sixteen million dollars recently
for a form of hate speech. Right, your company paid
me sixteen million dollars for a form of So maybe
they'll they're going after you.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
So yeah, Trump can resign as far as I'm concerned,
because if you think that hate speech is a thing,
and it is, sure he was trolling the media blah
blah blah, and he doesn't actually mean it, I don't care.
I don't want the president of the United States ever
using the phrase hate speech, and I definitely don't want
the Attorney General of the United States using a phrase
(38:22):
that has no place in American jurisprudence. Hate speech is
not a thing, fucking idiots, It's not a thing. Shut up,
and you can all resign, Okay, just want to be
on the record about that. Anyways, getting back to the point,
So we've got these five people combined that I trust
a lot. You then have a tweet from Harrison Smith
(38:43):
that happens a month prior that has now been confirmed.
I might add, as I mentioned on my last episode
that I was hoping that Max Pelmanhal and Harrison Smith
would get on the phone. They actually they had him
on Harrison's show today and they are yesterday and they
confirmed that in fact, their sources are different. So we
now have two independent sources that are insiders, one of
(39:06):
which is an insider in the White House at least
one of which, and they are basically saying the exact
same thing that Charlie Kirk was not just being pressured,
but he was fearful. So look, maybe this portion is wrong,
Maybe I don't know, but I'm just saying two independent
sources saying the same thing. It's worth considering deeply. I
(39:30):
might add that one of them also said that the
President of the United States is afraid of them. That's
a pretty big deal. Again setting that aside because we
can't prove that definitively, but I'm just saying, you add
that on top of these five people that I trust collectively,
and it's like, I'm convinced. I'm just gonna say it.
(39:51):
I'm convinced. Now what am I convinced of? Because I
think it's very important. I'd be explicit about this because
otherwise I'll be taken way out of context. I am
not convinced that Israel is responsible. I actually think it's
a better than fifty percent chance that this Tyler kid
is the gunman. I think it's probably seventy five eighty
percent chance that he's the one who did it. Now,
(40:12):
am I convinced that he worked alone? Not particularly, And
I'll be honest, I think that Matt Walsh's take about
this is probably the most likely, is that this text
message chain, if it was not just whole cloth created
by the FBI, was probably created by him and his
lover to give cover to his lover, his boyfriend girlfriend.
(40:34):
That's my guess, because it just doesn't read with any
level of authenticity it. I mean, it gives you every
missing detail, as if there was like a list and
they're like, what evidence don't we have so far? And
they're like, well we don't have ABCD and they're like,
put that in a letter, all right, and we got
(40:54):
I mean, it's absurd to me, it's absurd. That's that's
the explanation that Tyler's the gunman maybe, and he crafts
these text messages because he actually orchestrated this plot with
his boyfriend girlfriend, and that's why they crafted these messages
(41:15):
to give them an out, to give them covers. That's
Matt Wilson's theory. I think it's a I think it's
as as likely as anything. So the thing that I
agree with Tucker Candace why I'm in their camp is
because the people that are denying this, the bill Ackmans
of the world, I don't think that they're behaving in
an honorable fashion. And in fact, Dave Smith confirmed that
(41:38):
Josh Hammer is as much of a snake as I
thought he was, and I do not like that guy
at all. I think he's a really really duplicitous, deceptive
actor in this world, and I think he's a propagandist,
and I think he's on the payroll. That's my opinion.
I can't prove that, but I don't think he's a
good person. I really don't. So you've got Josh Hammer's
(42:00):
backing up Acman, and it's like, all right, I've seen enough.
I've seen enough to know that I'm dealing with like
a side that sure, maybe they get stuff wrong periodically,
but at least they are trying for the truth. And
then you have this other side that I'm like, I
don't think you guys are actually interested in telling the truth,
and I think that really there's a better than fifty
percent chance that the cover up is worse than the crime.
(42:23):
I think that the pressure was being applied to Charlie Kirk.
I'm not sure that it was coming from Acman, but
I am fairly confident it was coming during that two
day event, which, by the way, that Turning Point USA
event wasn't publicized. You had photos of some of these
influencers that were taking photos of themselves. None of them
were saying why they were there. Well, let me just
tell you. When it's a big TPUSA event, everyone's hashtagging it,
(42:47):
I'm over at the TPUSA down in Tampa or wherever.
They didn't say where they I mean, they said where
they were at, but they didn't say why they were there,
and they were just like, we're at the Hampton's partying
it up. So point being, I don't think that that
soiree of twenty or thirty, I think it was thirty
plus influencers with Charlie Kirk along with Ackman and others
(43:08):
to coach them up on Israeli talking points or pro
Israel talking points was supposed to be public. I don't
think that was supposed to be publicized, and I think
that they are embarrassed by it. But moreover, I think
that the truth is is that Charlie Kirk was being
pressured very aggressively, and they were very upset, and they
were trying very hard to deplatform Tucker Carlston specifically, and
(43:30):
kind of Dave Smith secondarily. And I think that it
looks bad optically, and they just don't want that to
be out. So I don't I think that the odds
are against them actually ordering a hit against Charlie Kirk.
That would be fucking crazy. I'm not saying it's impossible,
but the odds have to be against that, right, I hope. Anyways,
(43:54):
So I think that that could be all this is
is that the reason that they're lying so aggressively is
because they realized that, like, we're not going to like
the idea that you were pressuring Charlie Kirk to deplatform
Tucker Carlson, and you're going to basically lose your home
on the right wing and the TPUSA audience, which is
millions of young people, young conservatives, which are already skeptical
(44:17):
of Israel, are going to be like, fuck you guys.
So I think that's the that's the least malicious explanation
as to why this is all happening, if I'm reading
this correctly. And maybe it's much worse than that. It's
also a possibility, but I think that's the minimum. That's
my honest opinion as to the minimum. So to recap
(44:37):
for Dave, because I said this was a reply to
Dave Smith, I wanted to give him just a quick
breakdown of all of the bizarre aspects of the story
that I think that he should contend with if he's
going to go Okham's razor on me. We now have
not just one, but two independent sources confirming that Kirk
was scared of Ntnyahoo, including one who said Trump holds
the same fear. Trump, in my opinion, is acting kind
(45:01):
of like he's afraid. Like you're from cash matel Wide
Eyed and Dan Bongino and how they've seen a ghost
and it's like the Epstein files never exists and there's
no there there and all that, and then Trump doing
literally whatever Israel once all the time. All right, So
maybe maybe not. Then we have Sardovich, Tucker Carls, and
Candie Owans Matt Gates now all say that the pressure
(45:22):
from the donors towards Charlie was extraordinary, and many of
those same people now eulogize Charlie Kirk to their own ends,
specifically bb Nenya who, which I think is what really
triggered this backlash, is that Tucker Carlson, Candie Owans were like, no,
the fuck you don't. He was not your best friend.
You shut up. He did not die for your cause,
(45:44):
you're a liar. And I respect that because I think
that that's deeply inappropriate. So that's my opinion. Then you
have maybe Nenhala who going on this media blitz where
he is overtly to Greta's events, thus trend denying that
Israel was responsible for Charlie Kirk's dead.
Speaker 7 (46:04):
It's not only insane, it's I think it's so absurd,
so stupid, so stupid, and so ridiculous. You can't believe
that people are saying that. You know, over the centuries,
when when Jews, especially in the Middle Ages, the horrific
Middle Ages, we were poisoning the wells, we were drinking
(46:24):
the blood of Christian.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Children, you name it.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
I mean these things that continued actually up to the Holocaust.
Speaker 2 (46:30):
And it's like, I mean, have you ever seen an
American assassination story where a foreign politician, the head of
state basically is asked and is denying their involvement in
his murder? Okay, I'm just saying that's odd, is it not.
Then you have you know, BB touring the US just
(46:51):
earlier this year. This Israelly Propaganda Blitz Tour, and he's
doing PbD and he's doing all these other shows. But
his best friend, who he just got this love letter
from and who died for the cause of Israel, allegedly,
according to BB, he doesn't do He doesn't do Charlie
Kirk's show. And I'll just tell you the way Cannie
(47:11):
Owns talked about it, I think that there's a real
good reason for that. I think that Charlie Kirk was
trying to distance himself from him specifically, but that cause
more broadly, not the cause of Israel, but certainly the
cause of that war. I think it really bothered him,
That's my honest opinion. And I think he was trying
(47:32):
to put distance between himself and that because it was
even if it wasn't a moral distinction, it was destroying
his reputation and it was damaging his brand. And I think,
I personally think it would have been done for moral
reasons because I've listened to so many people talk about
him over the past week, and it's evident to me
that he had a very strong moral character, and I
(47:53):
think that he was shifting as a consequence of that
moral character, and he was looking at the death and
destruction and everything else and he was just like, I've
got to I've got to get away from this. So
that's my opinion. But Babe comes to the States, does
this media blitz, doesn't do Charlie's show his best Friend? Okay,
(48:13):
then you have the text evidence from Tyler Robinson, which
is undeniably strange. Also, he's trying to return the murder
weapon to his grandfather. Okay. We also don't have any
ballistic match between the round which hasn't even been found,
the round that actually took Charlie's life not found, And
we don't have any ballistic match obviously because we don't
(48:34):
have it to match that to the alleged murder weapon
which was found in the woods in a tel after
he ran off the rooftop and jumped down, even though
in that video you can't see it. But then to
explain away the fact that you can't see that rifle
when he jumps down, it's because it had been disassembled,
which takes multiple minutes and requires a screwdriver, which cash
(48:57):
Bettell says that they found the screwdriver and that's why.
But also then he reassembled it to ditch it in
the woods. Okay, makes sense. Then we also have no
footage of him with that weapon or firing the weapon
or anything like that, so that's another missing link. And
then you also have not one, but two people allegedly
(49:19):
claiming responsibility for the attack on Charlie Kirk within seconds
of an actual fatal attack on Charlie Kirk from someone
other than them, but they're not related to one another, okay.
And then also, oh I might add one of them
was present for nine to eleven, and he also has
(49:39):
CSM on his phone because whenever I go to a
public speaking event for some politico, I make sure if
there's an attack on that speaker to have immediately announced
myself as being the responsible party. And also I make
sure that I have very criminal photos on my phone simultaneously,
(50:01):
I probably shouldn't said that's gonna take out of context. Anyways,
what I'm saying is it's absurd. What the what the fuck?
Story is that so so strange? All right, So you
got that whole litany of questions that still need to
be answered, and then you have your people. You got Tucker,
you got Candice Uh, you got Max Blumenthal too. I
(50:22):
think your buddies with him, like whether or not they're
right about everything, they definitely, as I said, I think
that they've all all of them have got stuff wrong,
for sure, But I think that they are all good
actors in the sense that they are interested in the truth.
And I cannot say the same about the people that
are refuting them, and I have to rely on that
(50:43):
to some extent. So you combine all of these things,
and I think that it's fair. It's fair to continue digging,
it's fair to continue seeking for additional evidence to actually
convince us of what happened on that day, because even
though it's only been a week, in some ways, I
(51:03):
feel like, and this is the one thing. I don't
know if Dave would say this, but I think he
would agree with me is that in some ways, I
don't like that this, this portion of the story has
gotten so much focus that you know, Israel might be
behind it, because we don't know that. We definitely don't
know that, and I think in some ways it could.
(51:25):
It could if it's not true, it could serve as
a distraction from the focus, and the focus should be
making sure that you get the right fucking person or
persons perhaps that are responsible for this, because we need
to know. And I this is what I said during
the first breakdown of this story, which, by the way,
(51:47):
thank you guys all so much for watching it. You know,
lots of people watch, so many comments and everybody was
very pumped about the coverage that I gave to it,
so I really appreciated the feedback. But as I said
during that episode, you know, that's my primary concern because
as much as you know, primary primary concern justice for
Charlie and his kids and his wife, his family. But moreover,
(52:09):
we cannot let this be another Butler. We cannot have
just massive gaps of knowledge and of total you know,
void in a conclusive story as to what transpired and
why and who and justice, because this cannot be normalized
in this country. We cannot have political assassinations become normalized
(52:34):
in this country. And that is my deepest concern, is
that this infighting amongst the influencer class, many of which
I like, full guards on the table. I do not
want it to lose sight of what matters most is
that this does not happen to anybody else, and that
this does not become a common occurrence in our country.
(52:57):
And I think, I think, and I'm pretty confident that
everybody involved would and should at minimum agree with what
I'm saying right now. It is. It is very important,
super super super super important, and I hope everybody watching
this agrees with me, agrees with me, and does not
(53:17):
want to live in a country like that. I don't
want to live in some third world hell whole where
people get pot like Mexico, where there's every election season
there's like dozens of politicians that get whacked. That shit sucks.
I don't want to live in some third world hell
whole like that. And we're perilously close. So anyways, the
point that I was trying to make earlier that I
(53:37):
don't think I made really eloquently is, like I'm not
saying because Dave agrees with clean break and he thinks
that the neo cons and that policy became reality, like
you connect those dots, and therefore our foreign policy was
a consequence of what benefits Israel and not so much
American interests that he needs to agree with this story.
(53:59):
That's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying, keep an
open mind, that's it. And and I think that you know,
in honor of Charlie, we need to know for sure.
We need to know for sure. And I just don't
think and I don't think Dave's closing off this option,
just just to be clear. But those that are those
(54:19):
that are laughing it off as if it's just a
total impossibility, couldn't happen. They just to recap countless assassinations
over the past three years, countless and for the record,
since their beginning, since forty eight, since they started. It's
like it's just like a litany of assassinations, like they're
(54:40):
like the best at it, if you want to put
best as the term to describe that. But then the
patrio attacks against Hesbela and so so many they just
struck Katar to try and take out hamas leadership in
a country that is an American ally against American desires
(55:01):
and permissions. Allegedly. It's nuts. It's nuts, so so for
people to say like, oh, it can't be happening you
ohe oh it is. It's really good looking. I'm not
saying it's Israel. But if you think it's impossible, you're
fucking not paying attention. You're not paying attention. It is possible,
(55:22):
And I'm going to keep digging, and I'm confident that
Candice Owns and Douger Carlson are going to keep digging.
And I think we're gonna have some receipts that demonstrate
exactly how Charlie Kirk felt about BBN net and Yahoo
and how he felt about the attempts to pressure him
and deplatform Tucker and everything else. I think that's going
to be released in the not too distant future. And
(55:43):
when it does, oh, boy, strap in because a lot
of liars are going to be shown to be liars.
And if I'm wrong, well then I'll apologize, but I
doubt it. If you guys enjoyed this episode, please do
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