July 3, 2025 • 52 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What happened to Thomas Massey.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
President Trump is banning sex changes on minors.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Massey voted against it.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
President Trump is cutting taxes and saving Kentucky families ten
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Massy voted against it.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
President Trump is securing our border and deporting criminal aliens.
Massey voted against Trump again. And after Trump obliterated Around's
nuclear weapons program, Massey sided with Democrats and the ayah Toola.
Let's fire Thomas Massey, Mega Kentucky is responsible for the
content of this advertising.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
And I've joined once again by the host of Run
Your Mouth, the co host a part of the problem,
mister Robbie the fire Burnstein. Yeah, Robbie, you're on the
road obviously, but there's still a lot of news going on.
I know you and Dave have already talked about this,
the Trump elon versus Massy beef. First off, I just
want to get your take on the bill, the greatest.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Bill of all time. No one's done a better bill.
I mean, yeah, I'm not a fan of more government
spending because it's Trump, and anything Trump does it means
it's right, even if he changes his mind in a day,
two days, three weeks, four months. It doesn't matter if
it came from Lord Trump, that's obviously the pathway forward.
It's like the Divine itself has shown a rate of
(01:12):
sunlight upon us, like the Ten Commandments. No, obviously, this
thing's a nightmare. I think it increases spending by three
trillion dollars. I thought Ron Johnson was doing a great
job before he flipped, and I would like to know
why he flipped on this, but he did a great
job of explaining we're above the COVID spending. And so
if you just look at the trajectory of government spending
(01:32):
and some of what I'm reading with even the interest
currently in funding our debt and buying our bonds, I mean,
this thing's a nightmare, dude. The Republicans finally got in.
They took over everything. It's an opportunity to actually own. Hey,
let's not spend all the money in the entire world.
And you even have some of the better conservators like
Josh Hawley going absolutely, you cannot touch Medicaid. What is
(01:55):
going on here? Like you guys, you're just refunding everything
that Doje didn't even really cut. I think those cuts
came out to being like nine somewhere between nine and
one hundred and thirty billion dollars. But there was a
great opportunity here, a to actually take care of waste, fraud,
and abuse and start talking about how much we spending
(02:15):
on our military. Hey remember all Donald Trump's talk about
going after the deep state. Well, we're funding all the
wars right now and we're getting ready for more of them.
So personally, one of my biggest grievances with government is
the way that we're spending money and inflating bubbles and
the issues I see coming down the pike by not
(02:35):
addressing this problem. So to watch Donald Trump get into
office with you know, a Republican mandate here and House majority,
they could have made some changes here. But Donald Trump
is actually just a democratic socialist and he would like
to spend as much as he possibly can. And he'd
also like to throw Powell out and lower the interest
rates because that's what we need.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think that's my biggest confusion is like, wait, Trump,
you don't like Donnie the mayoral candidate from New York City.
It's like he's got basically the same worldview. Man, Just
state ran everything, State funded everything. Yeah, I mean, look,
there's a lot of shade that I could throw a Trump,
but I want to start by throwing shade at Mike Johnson.
Mike Johnson got elected to the speaker or appointed or
(03:17):
whatever however works to the speakership, to the Speaker of
the House on the promise that they would not be
doing any of these omnibus, these huge bills, these multi
trillion dollar bills, that they would do single topic or
standalone bills. And that's that's what's driving me nuts right now,
is that you have all of the Trump sick offens
that are saying nothing matters if we don't secure the
(03:39):
border and do the deportations. And I'm like, okay, well,
then if nothing else matters, why don't you yell at
Mike Johnson to put a single fucking issue a bill
on the on the on the floor to have a
vote as to whether or not that Because this big,
beautiful bill has one hundred and fifty billion dollars for
border security and deportations. It's a three point three billion
(04:02):
dollar or trillion dollar bill. That means that we're talking
about approximately five percent or actually less of the bill
is for the border. So we're gonna vote for ninety
five percent garbage to get you what you want. Is
that a deal that MAGA and the Libertarian slash MAHA
Alliance ought to be accepting, or should we be demanding better?
(04:22):
And my answer is, why aren't we demanding better? Why
are we all just groveling for fucking crumbs when we're
literally mortgaging off our children's future. And let's be honest,
it's not just our children's future, it's ours. I don't
know about you, but my lifestyle has not improved dramatically
over the past five years since we had that printing
spree and the lockdowns and the inflation. Yeah, well that too,
(04:44):
but really just the inflation has been brutal, and it's
like that's going to get worse if we continue down
this path, because the reality is they're not gonna cut
like entitlements, they're not gonna cut spending.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What they're gonna do is they're gonna do qi.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
They're gonna start to print, which means that the inflation increases,
and eventually it will start to increase exponentially, at which case
we're all gonna really feel this And it's like, I
feel like I'm a crazy person just saying like this
is not Ron Paul in the nineteen eighties. This is like,
this is coming soon, not forty years down the road,
It's imminent. Why can't we act with urgency? And apparently
(05:18):
fiscal conservatism is no longer a staple of even the
base of the Republicans.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well, I think he made two very wise points there. Firstly,
I just agree one hundred percent on the practicality of
past single bills at a time, particularly if you know,
then you get people on the record for what they're
specifically in favor against. So you know, she was on
the record for not wanting to actually build the build
the wall. Now, with all that said, if I could
(05:46):
throw out this entire bill and not fund the mass deportations,
I'll take that trade off. Donald Trump's already done a
great job at dealing with the immigration problem. Immigration into
the country is now way down, people are self deporting.
He's also so correcting for some of the issues of
how many people came in by trying to get rid
of birthright citizenship, and also census counting for illegal immigrants,
(06:10):
which I think does deal with some of the problems
of the illegal immigrants that have come into the country.
I personally, I don't really, I think we need the
foreign labor more than people want to admit, and I
don't love the idea of mass deportations. However, I do
see a need to sell to kind of correct and
punish for what Biden did, so that if there's a
new administration with a totally open border policy, people realize
(06:32):
that they're taking a risk of the next administration switching.
So anyways, I agree, by the way, if I forgot
the exact numbers, but ran Paul had put out that
the new border wall funding doesn't make sense based off
of what the spending was the last time per mile
of what they were building. So there does seem to
also be some sort of fiscal scam going on in
(06:55):
terms of the money that is now being requested or
suppose needed for border security, and it's kind of not
even true based off of at least what the current
reporting is for border crossings. Rand Paul I forgot the
exact figures, but he did say that the price per
mile from the last of Trump administration has seen to
(07:16):
go up in a way that doesn't make sense. If
I take a choice between not increasing the budget at
all and not increasing spending for the border, I would
take that trade off. Practically speaking, I just agree with
you that it could be its own bill. There's no
reason for if that's the primary motivator for needing to
pass this immediately with the supposed oh yeah, we'll deal
(07:38):
with taking down spending down the line, or we're going
to do recisions. Donald Trump has already done an excellent
job at bringing down the border crossings, So I don't
know that we need as much money as he's claiming.
And also it doesn't even seem like we need to
spend money at all. It just seems like if our
government actually wants to keep people from crossing the border,
(07:59):
people get message and they're not coming in droves and waves.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I think that is true, and I think that
in terms of the flood in the influx of illegal immigration,
you probably don't need additional funding. But what I do
think you need additional funding for, I'm guessing is if
you actually intend to do mass deportations, which is obviously
what Steven Miller and much of the Magabase wants to see.
I just don't have any faith that they're going to
(08:24):
do it, Like sure ship them one hundred and fifty
billion dollars, give a whole bunch of money to border control.
I would be shocked if there's really millions of people
that get deported. I think that what you're describing of
the voluntary deportations just because of the course of threats
is probably going to be as many people as you
(08:44):
get out. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. And
if they actually do pass this bill and they actually
use those funds to deport millions of people, then I
was wrong. But I just don't have much faith that
that's going to be the case. And just to piggyback
off your point with rand Paul, what he was saying
is that approximately ten billion or maybe fifteen billion would
be enough to finish the border wall, and obviously you
(09:08):
would need a little bit extra funding for immigration services
and deportations. But the one hundred and fifty billion, and we're
going to talk about this on your show, I would
be shocked if that's not being funneled to groups like
Palanteer to work on surveillance technology and kind of a
dystopian grid on our border and not just on our border,
(09:28):
I might add, so just in one hundred and fifty
billion alone, I already have a lot of concerns about that.
But the three point three billion, I just want to
really emphasize we're talking about one hundred and fifty billion.
Even if you assume that's all for deportations at border control,
that's five percent, less than five percent of the three
point three billion, which is actually what they're doing. So
(09:48):
it's a shit sandwich, if ever there was one.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And I hate the inflation on such a personal level,
Like there's some of these topics that I don't like
what govern the government's doing, but it doesn't really affect
my life per se, like I don't I hate the Wars.
I don't like the Wars. I don't like the innocent
civilians are dying because of our actions. But it is
a little bit conceptual in a way, inflation. I have
(10:13):
done a decent job of saving the little money that
I can on every single paycheck that I earn and
just watching it evaporate because of inflation because I'm not
in on the take on debt game and be in
physical assets and hoping that the government just endlessly props
them up. And it's just so annoying to have to
have a secondary job of figuring out what you want
to do with your money and having to take risk
(10:36):
so that you can figure out how to keep the
government from stealing it from you, and then if you
figure out good investments, then they tax you again when
all you were trying to do is preserve your own wealth.
So I can't stand the government's spending particularly and as
it just favors all those that have assets and have
the access to capital and the big banks and the
wall streets and the whatnot. So on a very personal level,
(10:59):
I agree with you that the that watching the government
spend more and knowing that that can only cause basically
inflation and further propping up credit asset bubbles that at
some point in time will fail. It just you're in
such a sucker's game. You're losing your wealth in the
mid in the mid at the moment, and then you
have to choose to basically buy into an asset that
(11:20):
will probably blow up at some point.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, and I mean this is exactly what you know
Messsian economics and things of that nature to you know,
describe it's like this is it's it's forcing risk taking
and as a consequence of basically mandating that anybody who
wants to keep their head above water continues to deploy
their capital into riskier and riskier assets to try and
(11:44):
stay ahead of the inflation. Well, that creates these bubbles
that we're describing, and yeah, obviously it's going to come
to an end, and it's going to come to an
end in a very vicious fashion. And I just think
that that's that the moral hazard that that the American
people and the people of the world are put in
as a consequence of central banking and of federal governments
(12:04):
that print and borrow and spend into oblivion is just
that's like the unspoken evil in all this is that
like retirees can't live off their savings, young people can't
save and get ahead, young people can't buy homes. I mean,
across the board, we all pay the price of this,
and yet we really don't talk about that, Like all
(12:25):
we're really talking about. If you listen to the fucking
MAGA influencers, it's like, well, do you want deportations and
border controller?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Don't you?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Do you want no tax on tips or don't you Well,
then you better agree to this bill. It's like, no, bitch,
Like I'm not going to agree to a three point
three trillion dollar bill because of you know, ten percent
of it is shit that I like.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Sorry, and it's so simple and practical. And if you
pull the American people should Congress just pass bills one
at a time and have it so that it's I
don't know, maybe do a page max max pages ten
pages per bill. And even if that's not enough to
pass all of your border reform, then you have to
(13:04):
do it ten pages at a time. There's got to
be one ten page bill for the wall. Make it up,
make it one hundred pages. I don't really care, but
there should be a cap and it should be single
issues at a time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Well, and and I just want to reiterate, Mike Johnson
got the speaker's role promising to do this. That's that's
why they got rid of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, and the other the prior guy, he also promised
to do the same thing, which is why Gates ultimately
moved to get him out because he was so frustrated
with it. I do want to talk a little bit
about about, you know, Gates being ousted, Matt Massey, you know,
on the outs with the threat of being ousted. Uh
with obviously, Apek has already been funding primary challengers against
(13:46):
MASSI for a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Trump came out.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Even despite the fact that I voted for Trump and
twenty four I knew that he doesn't like Massy.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I knew.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I knew that he wouldn't like anybody trying to hold
him to his promises when it comes to getting spending
under control, just for the audience's sake, if they're not aware.
Despite the fact that APEX funded a primary challenger, and
despite the fact that Trump came out and said that
I want this guy gone, Massy did better in the
primary than he had ever done before. So Massey is
beloved in his district, he's beloved nationwide. He's raised I
(14:14):
think it was four hundred thousand dollars over the past
ten days since he's been in this beef with Trump.
So they're running a million dollar ad campaign against him.
The American people and the Libertarians all across the country
are funding the oppositional money to keep Massy in place.
I'm just curious what your thoughts are as to the
abuse that I consider him the wrong pall of our generation.
(14:36):
I don't know if you do, but it definitely it
rubs me the wrong way, given that, like Donald Trump
came to the Libertarian National convention and said I'm going
to deliver for libertarians. Libertarians ought to be supporting me,
and then he goes on the attack vector against the
only guy in Congress that I really really like.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I love Thomas Massey. Not that I have a personal
relationship with him. I haven't had a good fortune yet
of meeting him, but at some point in time I
envision in my head that we're going to be good
pals and have a beer. I'll eat a peach on
his farm, and I mean literally a peach. There's no
in new Endo there. I don't even like peaches. But
if I could have a peach off of Thomas Massey's
(15:15):
peach tree, I would just die and go to heaven.
That would be a life well lived. So I love
Thomas Massey. The reason I love Thomas Massey is obviously
he's the only person who seems to always represent my viewpoint,
which is really just a pro freedom, let's not spend
all the money viewpoint. Ran Paul is a close second,
but I just find myself more in line more often
(15:37):
with exactly what Thomas Massey's preaching, and the fact that
there's someone in government with that perspective makes me really happy.
He's just the voice of reason in the room. And
it's also kind of fun that he's the smartest guy
in the room, that he's got the MIT degree and
he actually is an engineer can think through things, so
it's also just kind of fun. We've talked about this
clip numerous times on the show, but when he was
(16:00):
blasting a pee boota judge for just totally not having
a plan for how we can flip to evs.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
What's the consensus on parts per million of CO two
in the atmosphere?
Speaker 7 (16:11):
About four six, four hundred and six today?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Okay, four oh six. Are you aware three.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Hundred and fifty being the level that scientists have said
is danger.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Okay, are you aware three hundred and fifty is dangerous? Well,
are you aware that since mammals have walked the planet,
the average has been over a thousand parts per million.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Yeah, but we weren't walking on the planet. It's let
me just share with you that we now know that definitively,
at no point during the least the past eight hundred
thousand years has atmospheric CO two been as high as
it is today.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
The reason you chose eight hundred thousand years ago is
because for two hundred million years before that was greater
than it is today.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
And I'm going to say, for the record, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But there weren't human beings.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I mean, there was a different world. We didn't have
self people.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
How to get to two thousand parts per million if
we humans weren't.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Here because there were all kinds of geologic events happening
on Earth which spewed.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The geology stop when we got onto.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Planet, Miss Chairman, I'm this is just not a serious conversation.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Your testimony is not serious.
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And you know him talking about the pipe bombs on
January sixth, him talking out against the whole COVID regime.
I mean, the guy has just been a voice of
reason on so many topics, and I think the reason
he makes Trump look so bad, which is what I
talked about on the show, is that if you're truly
American first, and you were to look at all the
things that Thomas Massey's actually talking about and representing. I
(18:54):
think it does showcase the fact that Donald Trump is
a Democratic socialist who seems to also be okay with
supporting the War Party. And Donald Trump has a slightly
good talking point where she goes that guy, he's just
a no on everything. But if all of your plans
are basically expanding government spending and expanding wars, then having
(19:17):
somebody who doesn't want to just expand the power, size,
scope and spending of the government is actually the good voice.
And so yes, he might be no on everything, but
I've seen him say yes on some things, such as
let farmers sell directly to other people, let people have
raw milk. I've seen him be yes on a lot
of good topics. It's just if the one thing you're
(19:38):
looking to do is to spend more money and fight
more wars, yeah he's going to be a no on that,
and that's exactly what we need. We need more nos
right now. So it's a funny criticism. It's like a
fun talking point of I have the best plans, the
word's greatest plans, he's a no on everything, but on
all of these he's currently right and it will be
(19:59):
I also want this out the show. Donald Trump did
not do well the last time in the midterms, in fact,
before he was shot at and they brought all the
core cases against him. That was kind of the most
compelling talking point against Donald Trump was that his midterm
election picks did not do well. And I believe he
kind of cost them the Congress in terms of flipping
(20:20):
Congress and getting more Republicans. And even as Biden was
as unfavorable as he was usually if he got a
bad present, the whole country doesn't like him, you'll end
up with a lot of flip seats, which kind of
is a little bit of a balance of power. And
Donald Trump's picks did very poorly. Now Donald Trump's in
a very different place right now that maybe he does
a better job of unseating Thomas Massey. But and I
(20:44):
also I might be in a feedback loop because I
love him, and that's the lane of the internet that
I see is very pro Thomas Massey. But I'm betting,
at least at the moment, I'm betting against Donald Trump's
ability to flip Thomas Massey, and it seems like it's
going to be so such a thorn in his shoe
of just if you want to actually talk about any
(21:04):
of the issues that you have a problem with Thomas
Massey on and you're the vote, your voting base just
wraps its head around any of it, you're gonna look bad.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, I mean because he's as you said, he's he's
advocating against the America first congressional representative.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
He's the one.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
So if you attack him, you are attacking your own mantra.
It just looks and sounds terrible, and it is terrible.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And by the way and down the line, it's amazing,
I think how bad he makes people look. So for example,
he talks out against APAC. If APAC wants to step
in and, let's say, spend five hundred thousand dollars unseating him,
it just further proves the point of why is there
this organization in America that has this much money to
spend to unseat a single congress person. So it just
(21:56):
his very existence and speaking to truth almost amplifies the
degree by which everyone else is lying, which is kind
of why he needs to get rid of him. Because
Donald Trump needs everyone on board. He needs everyone on
the larp. He can't have anyone saying, hey, the Emperor
is wearing no clothes, So he kind of needs Thomas
Massey out. He can't have this one voice of reason
(22:17):
basically being on the internet and just pointing out, hey,
this is all terrible policy. Oh wait, to the extent
that they fight it, I think it just makes them
look worse.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, no, I agree with that, but it's like that's
the whole reason that I love Thomas Massey so much,
and like the lesson ought to be if if if
I had my way, would be that, well, just do
what Massy says, like when he's point when he's calling
you out on your bullshit, just like, maybe don't do
so much bullshit and then he won't call you out
(22:48):
on so much bullshit. I know this is kind of
one plus one equals two stuff here, But I think
the real problem is that, yes, you're exactly right, Massey
is basically a beacon of light on the truth of
Trump's claims. Like everything you campaigned on, Massy's gonna be like, hey,
you're not doing that, and then he's like shut the
(23:10):
fuck up, dude, Like don't tell people that I'm not
doing what I promised. It's like, well, that's why I
love Massy. And by the way, talking about being in
our own echo chambers, I put out a picture of
Massy and I said Thomas Massey twenty twenty eight motherfuckers,
because it was like right in the height of the
anger between Trump and Maga versus Elon and Massey, and
(23:31):
that did twenty plus thousand likes, just likes. I'm like,
all right, look, I know I'm in an echo chamber,
but this guy has a real grassroots following to have
that kind of a response to just basically a ship
post by me. It's like, this guy is you know,
I know I'm probably delusional here, but just hear me out.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I think given.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That there's so much anger about the war in Gaza,
there's so much anger about apex influence in America, So
the the anger over the war in Gaza is primarily
on the left, even though there's a decent amount on
the right too. The anger over Apak is on the left.
But also, you know, in our orbit a lot the
libertarians and also the more extreme right, and it's like
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that's a weird coalition, but that actually makes him a
real problem. Like I think that in a general election nationwide,
Thomas Massey would be I don't know if I want
to say he'd be viable, but like he'd be a threat.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Tell me if I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, I think it kind of just speaks to the
same point of him being truly American first. But the
only reason why the people on the right aren't against
a pack or even though I think the favorability for
what Israel's doing in Gaza, except amongst the very bought
(24:50):
in American Jews, I mean, I don't seem to meet
a lot of people on the right that are just
giving total endorsement and support to Israel. And I think
the only reason that they're probably still falling in line
is because of that just Trump delusion of just you know,
they're just totally delusional. Hey, if Trump said it, then
it must be right. And so I think on topics
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like that, if you had a debate and Thomas Massey
actually spoke to these points, I think anyone trying to
take the other side of these issues just isn't going.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
To look good.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I agree, man, And you know, we all kind of
deify Ron Paul. But the truth is Massi's actually a
better speaker like Ron's great. I'm not trying to diminish it.
I'm just saying in terms of like he's Massy has
that happy warrior aspect, but he's also a bit more
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eloquent than Ron, which people may be upset with me
saying that, but it's true if you go back and
you watch interviews of doctor Paul and you can trust
them With Massy, I think that Massy has an additional
level of charisma. He doesn't have quite the sweet old
man thing that Ron had, but he does have He
has all of the good and a little bit of
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a better saleable package, I think, which sounds gay. But anyways,
he's kind of cool in a way. He's the cool
dork in high school exactly. He's on the different track,
but he's the one guy who's in the science lab
all day that you can actually kind of talk to
but like, so, what.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Are you guys doing over there? Or he's the guy who,
like at science Fair is building his own race car
and you actually want to have a conversation with him,
and he's very excited about it, and he's unlike the
other geeks that he can actually tell you what he's doing,
and you're like, man, I wish I was that smart.
That's so cool. I'm over here smoking weed and this
guy's building his own race car. So he's a dork,
but he's got a little bit of the cool, approachable
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dork flavor to him. And I even just think amongst
the horseshit of the millennials that I find myself in
that romanticize farm life and self sustainability, he's almost got
like some hippie cride as well, just with the way
that he lives. Sure, I mean the fact that the
guy is a congressman and he's apparently just living out
of his truck in the lot of the congressional building.
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I mean that's just that kind of rules. He's off
the grid.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well with with solar power and everything. And yeah, I
mean that's what I'm saying is like I think Maha
would love him. Obviously, the Libertarians love him, and I
think that the anti Zionists, anti.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
War left would love him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean, I don't know about love, but I think
like if it came down to some other you know,
Kamala Harris style figure versus Thomas Massey, I think that
they'd be hard pressed not to go with Massy. So
I don't know. It's just an interesting thought. But as
to your point about him being kind of the approachable
cool nerd, he's like, I don't know if he's as
smart as Elon, but he's close. But he like he
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can actually convey what Elon what Elon's million miles an
hour brain is thinking like MASSI can convey that, And
I think that's why it's such an interesting alliance that
Elon is now at least, you know, according to his expost,
going to be funding the oppositional funding to support Massy
against the Trump Pack, which, by the way, they're doing
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a million Trump pack dedicated exclusively to try and get
rid of Massy.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I believe it'll last.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Primary APAC funded a million bucks to try and get
get him out. I think he got like seventy five
percent of the vote anyways, so they're now doubling down
on their efforts.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I still think they're going to fail. I hope I'm
right about that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I could be wrong, but I am curious what your
thoughts are to the Elon Elon like it's a pivot
and it's kind of a war path between him and Trump.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
What are your thoughts. How do you think it plays out?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
All Right?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's slightly exciting. And I've always had mixed feelings about
Elon Musk because he is a bit of a bullshitter
and he has businesses that are wrapped in with the government.
When he did with Twitter was incredible and it was
a gift to all of our freedom that suddenly there
was a platform that wasn't going to censor you. And
I think that changed the Internet, changed the political landscape.
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The fact that he wanted to even address the DOGE
and sell the storyline of hey, there's wasting a fraud
and abuse in government, even though he overhyped what they
found and they didn't solidify any of what he had
supposedly discovered. All over hyped and just kind of smoking mirrors.
But he's at least he spoke to the talking points.
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And so with that said, you know, the last time
he kind of butted heads with Trump, he walked it
back real quick. And I think it's because his businesses
are just too wrapped up in government, and and I'm
already watching him walk it back. He had a tweet
today that he was saying that Trump did a great
job in the I think I don't even know if
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he said I ran, But basically, in what's going on
in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I don't think the ceasefire in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I think Elon would essentially have have to make a
decision of hey, I'm cashing out on my companies and
I'm spending my wealth right now to you know, recreate
the American political climate. And I actually think he's a
good example of capitalism and that capitalism at its best
is very smart people a choiring capital and then making
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good investments that actually benefit all of humanity. Now, if
you like the idea of their survival of the human race,
it's probably gonna include ending up on other planets. And
so Elon Musk, from what I can see, is doing
a better job than NASA. I mean, he clearly is.
He's the only guy with rockets in space right now.
So you know, Elon Musk even from a if he
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just sat down tomorrow and he said, hey, I wanted
to let's say he was actually a noble figure, which
I'm not saying he even is, but let's say he
wanted to sit down tomorrow and say, how can I
make the world a better place? It could be, Hey,
I better just keep playing ball with this government thing
and making my money and working towards my mars goal.
Or even though I wouldn't use neuralink, I could understand
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in his brain of I'm also bettering humanity and going
to make them smarter and more efficient. I don't personally
want chips inside my brain, nor do I trust Elon
Musk enough that I would put his chips into my brain,
but I could understand. Let's just assume for a second
that Elon Musk is the most mortal person that ever lived,
and he really wants to make humanity better. So now
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he's got to sit down and do a calculation. Do
I want to torch my businesses to try and redo
the American political climate? Or do I want to figure
out how I can accelerate my technologies? And I could
understand why he would decide I'm going to accelerate my technologies. So,
while it's very exciting with the amount of money that
Elon Musk has and supposedly how smart of a person
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he is for him to want to actually maybe create
back a third party or go to war with Donald Trump,
I just I'm betting against him aggressively pursuing that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, well, I think I think once he evaluates things fully,
he'll probably come to that same conclusion. I'm sure a
lot of this is what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I mean, he walked it back the first time with
Donald Trump, so maybe it's because he went too far
with the Epstein comment, but right away he kind of
walked it back. And he already appears to be walking
this one back and trying to make peace with Trump again.
So listen, it would be really exciting if he decides
to pick that fight. I just don't think he's going
to do it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, No, I think I think the odds are certainly
against it for the exact reasons that you describe. But
I think that the really interesting angle on the one
that I've been, you know, chirping at Angela mccardeal, the
former chair of the Libertarian Party. I'm telling her, like
what we ought to do? You know, I know the
Libertarians broadly would hate me for saying this, but what
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he ought to do is sell off basically the Libertarian
Party to Elon if he wants to go down this path,
and don't make it so much about being a third party,
but rather make it a hybrid vehicle that you could
use to fund primary count challengers against the swamp left
end right, just like just brutalize anybody who's a swamp monster.
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I think that that would actually like change things to
the positive better than anything a third party would do
in the near term.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
I think for Libertarians, courting Elon Musk right now would
be a wise decision. And if Elon Musk actually decides
to make a third party, if you're a Libertarian who
had an interest in the Libertarian Party, I think trying
to get involved with Elon Musk and partnering with him
on whatever his new vision is will probably push the
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ball forward more than the current state of the LP,
which I'm not that involved with. I'm really not involved
with at all, and I'm not the best advocate for it,
so I don't want to smash anybody's effort. And maybe
I'm just out of the loop of what's going on
over there and so down on it because of the
whole Chase Oliver shenanigans and what I've seen from you know,
(34:00):
when I when I'm loosely involved from the shenanigans that
I see, but particularly Chase Oliver and the resources. Listen,
money makes the world go round, and Elon Musk currently
also has the technical capabilities to work on things if
he wants to. He's got a staff of really smart
people that if he wants to try and implement something,
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I think he would just do a better job at
it than we would. So if he's somewhat aligned on
similar goals to Libertarians, which might just be as simple
as what you just said of let's unseat swamp creatures.
You can even call it that the anti swamp creature Party.
I would think for either it'd be a very good
idea to try and court accord him to the Libertarian Party,
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or maybe he's better management all together. And for people
that were wanting to get involved with the Libertarian Party,
especially maybe upper characters such as yourself, trying to get
involved in the Elon Musk new operation might be great.
Or you might find that you were all suckered and
now you're just pushing some new billionaire's agenda who wants
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to make sure that he can get back to his
ev credits. And you know, you might have some wins
along the way of that you have a shared agenda,
such as having free speech on the internet, but you
might find that you just teamed up with a different
side of the deep state or a different side of
corporatism that just wants to make sure that government has
favorable policies for his business.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, that's obviously a threat or a risk, I should say.
But I mean, most Libertarians made the deal with the
devil and voted for Donald Trump this last go around.
So if you're asking me if I would would take
the same risk with Elon Musk, who you know, tweets
out Anatomy of the State by Rothbart and talks about
bitcoin and multiplanetary stuff and getting ending the wars and
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balancing the budget. Like he's far closer to by principles
than Donald Trump is on his best day. So like, yeah,
he's paypalm mafia. Yeah, he's there's a lot of you know,
like what's it called the I'm blanking on the word
for it, life extension stuff that like concerns me, the
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brain chips and all that. But like if that doesn't
work out, okay, then we move on. But guess what,
the LP ain't working out. Like, the LP ain't getting
anybody elected, it ain't fighting the swamp, it ain't training
the swamp, it ain't doing any of that. Either, So
I guess my you know, my frame of mind is
just like take swings man, take take chances. I was
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doing the math on it, and for half a billion
dollars five hundred million dollars, which is close to what
Elon spent to get Trump elected, he could have funded
a primary challenger to every GOP swamp monster that exists.
He could have totally revolutionized the Congress like Congress and
Senate for the GOP. Like, sure, it would probably get
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some Democrats elected to because you'd be getting the incumbents
out on the you know, from the swamp, but like
you would end up with I think you could end
up with forty fifty six Thomas Maski Thomas Massey esque figures,
and that changes That changes the game way more than
Donald Trump will ever change the game.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
If you also just think about five hundred million dollars spent.
All of our programs run on zero budget. Like imagine
if Elon Musk gave ten million dollars the Libertarian Institute
and that and partnered with them as a think tank.
Or imagine if you gave one hundred million dollars to
a I don't exactly know who the character would be
(37:30):
but a media executive to really create a new media
empire where all of these shows were very well funded
with research staff and the think tank that we could
pull research from, et cetera. In terms of the political
climate and ways to spend your money, Elon, I will
gladly accept your donations and put together immedia sent to
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actually put out better information for the American public.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Well, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It's like the Koch brothers, you know, funded the Libertarian
World back in the nineties, but like they were shipping
all that money to the fucking Cato Institute and they
were basically just trying to advocate for open borders to
help with their corporations. As best I can tell, Like Elon,
you know, love him or hate him or be indifferent
about him. What I see from the guy when it
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comes to like his asks politically are things that benefit
all of us, Like I want to balance budget, I
want to go after fraud, waste and abuse like these
are not things that really benefit him. And I think
that's that's what That's what has earned me a lot
of respect for the guy, is that, you know, the
Soros world or the Cooke world, It's obvious to me
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that there's immense self interest in what they're doing. Elon
doesn't seem to be doing that that much. Yes, he
makes a ton of money off of government contracts, but
the reason he gets those contracts usually is because he's
the cheapest deal. He's the cheapest game in town. It's like,
you could just continue to fund ten or hundreds of
billions of dollars to NASA to never go back to
the moon, or you can give Elon a quarter of
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that and will be at Mars in five years. It's like,
I think the reason Elon gets the government contract is
because he's fucking good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
So I don't know. That's my thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Fair enough, I think it's a little bit circular, but
in that I don't know that he was able to
build the businesses without like initial carbon credits or if
you look at Starlink, I don't know that just anyone's
allowed to launch satellites into space. But I'm talking out
of my ass on this one because I've not shut
a deep dive on how Elon Musk has it acquired
his money or how favorable all the contracts that he
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got were that kind of put him into this position.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
So I don't know what percentage of his wealth is
a consequence of that, but I would be lying if
I wasn't willing to admit that. Like, yeah, certainly subsidies
and things of that nature have benefited Elon Muss tremendously.
I'm just talking about the latest iteration of him now
that he's already the richest man in the world. Like,
usually what you see with oligarchs and tycoons of this
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nature is they get involved with politics just to make
themselves richer.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Like what is he really flipping out about.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
He's flipping out because like they're not actually taking his
hard earned you know, wins in the Doge Department and
actually putting them into law and like cutting the funding
at the source.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
He's like, he's furious about it.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He's furious about the fact that the dollar is gonna
die because of our national debt. And yeah, I'm sure
there's some self interest in that, being the richest man
in the world and having a bunch of money tied
up in the US dollar, But like he's gonna be okay.
You know, if if we have hyperinflation, it's the wealthiest
people are not the ones that get destroyed by hyperinflation
because they have hard assets to buoy that it's the
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poor people. So like, all of his real outspoken concerns
are not about his own self interest, despite the fact
that Trump's trying to frame it that way that oh,
he just he's upset because they're getting rid of the
e V credits. Elon Musk has been saying for fucking
years to get rid of the EV credits. So I
just think it's like.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Also, he apparently he sleeps on off floor and he
has sex with horrors. He can do that on a
shoestring budget.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Exactly. He doesn't need a ton of money. He wants
to put it.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He wants to put a chip in all in every
man's mind and a baby in every woman's womb. That
is the Elon Musk way. Yeah, anyways, I'm I'm just
intrigued by all of this. I think that that this
fight is really important. I think that the moment it
was inevitable that you were going to have kind of
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the rhetoric of the conservatives, the MAGA world, the America
first world, and then their actions that can conflict with
everything that they can't paign on, and then you have
us who believe what they campaign on and even more so,
are much more hardcore than what they the best versions
of their advertisements. And it's like this was an inevitable
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conflict that was going to happen, and I'm glad that
it's happening.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I just hope that I guess we can.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's it's kind of naive to think that we can
win that fight, but I think we're holding our own
you know, like, given the fact that it's we're so outnumbered,
I still feel like there's a lot of people that
agree with us.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
There's also something to be said for Elon Musk was
a big part of the winning coalition, in addition to
the Doge storyline, the waste fraud, on the abuse. So
let's just say Elon Musk is the first one to
go away from that winning coalition. He really wants to
wage war with Trump. So Trump might be too powerful
in this moment that that's going to be a real
problem for Elon. But if the tariffs actually go a
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little bit more sour, if the Israel war thing isn't
just over as Donald Trump has said, if mass deportations
actually get implemented and those turn out to be not
popular or.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
They don't get implemented and his base gets furious.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Well yeah, I guess, yeah, there's some potential for that.
But we're only what six months into the Donald Trump presidency,
and Elon Musk was a big part of the winning coalition.
So it could be that while it seems like Elon
can't win that fight now six months down the road,
particularly if you actually if we're in a bad financial
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environment and it's in any way because of expansionary monetary
spending such as inflation ramps up, and then Donald Trump's
still pushing for lowering the interest rate type deal, you
know what I mean. If more things start to crack
and you see a little bit more of his winning
coalition falling apart, and maybe other people talking out against
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him that were a part of the winning coalition, maybe
it's a more winnable fight than I'm giving you on
credit for at the moment.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Oh, I totally agree with that, And I think, you know,
people should understand too that normally recessions happen, you know,
less than a decade is like standard historically, and we're
going on unless you include twenty twenty, which would have
been a depression had they not printed three trillion dollars
back then too, But we're going on like basically almost
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twenty years without a real severe recession. So the asset
bubble is extraordinary. I think it's as I think it's
as big as it's ever been by a large margin.
So and then on top of that, eight there was
an expectation that they would have somewhere in the arena
of like one hundred thousand new jobs this month, and
the print came out negative thirty five thousand or something
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to that effect. So it was like big, big swing,
big miss I mean, to have job losses is very significant.
And then you also have the AI wave that's coming
that's basically making it so that you know, most employers
are now reassessing how many human beings they need to
be working for them, and they're certainly going to start
to lay off people. I think you're going to have
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massive waves of that over the next couple of years.
So to expect that the economy is going to be
doing well at the end of Trump's term given all
of the uncertainty with all of this, and then you
also have him browbeating Pale threatening to remove him if
you want lower interest rates, It's like, if you lower
interest rates, then you have the inflationary pressures that kick
back in, which will add to the economic strains that
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the voters are looking at when it comes to twenty
twenty eight, and then all of a sudden, Elon Musk
and his new party slash you know this, the anti
swamp monster party with Thomas Massey running for president twenty
twenty eight suddenly doesn't sound so far fetched. Now, there's
a lot of variables that I just threw out there,
so I'm not saying any of that's gonna happen. But
to think it can't happen, I think is also stupid.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I love the Powell Trump shenanigans because I hate the Fed.
The FED shouldn't exist, all right, I want to make
that very clear. I don't think we're in a better
situation though, with Donald Trump dictating the interest rate over
the Fed, no or not, And essentially where the Fed
is is they go listen. This entire thing is smoke
and mirrors, and we're doing everything we can not even
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well to try and pretend like everything's fine, and so
we can't even really predict the interest rate. We can't
actually accurately you know, get the spending levels right to
keep it at this fixed two percent. He's like, we're
barely keeping this thing afloat, and now you just threw
this terriff thing into the wild, and we have to
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wait and see because we don't know if that's going
to drive up prices that we need to actually basically
maybe push up the interest rate to combat what appears
to be inflation because of price increases that were actually
masked because we were able to import goods for cheap.
In other words, it could be that there could have
been a lot more inflation over the years if we
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weren't essentially importing goods for cheap, and so that masks
some of the inflation problem.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
And so pals Palell's just.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
On the sidelines, going, I can't lower interest rates right
now because you just threw a monkey wrench into our
smoke and mirrors operation and I have to see how
it plays out. And Trump's sit in there, go you
gotta lower it. We gotta juice the economy. I'm a
low interest rate guy, and like I said, I don't
like the FED, but I actually understand what Pale's doing here.
He's like, I just got to wait and see.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I think that Pal has done from you know, most
FED chairs positions. I like him more like he has
been warhawkish with interest rates. He's kept them higher for
longer least you know, as of late. And I think
what I would do if I was a FED chair,
God forbid, would high grates further? I would like, I
think that the asset bubbles that exist are inevitably gonna
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destroy us, and it would be much better to let
some fucking pressure out of this system so that we
can not have a total implosion. But it's an interesting
dynamic because when you're trying to service the debt of
thirty seven trillion dollars and the FED funds rate has,
you know, a major impact on what you're able to
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borrow and refinance that money at. Like I understand from
Trump's position, He's like, look, I don't give a shit
about the economy or anything else as much as I
just care about us not going bankrupt. And if we
have to pay over a trillion dollars an interest on
our national debt, well that that eats up everything else
that I'm trying to do. So from his vantage point,
he's like, just lower it. I don't give a shit why.
I'll tell you it's to help the economy, it's to
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help people, poor people or whatever. But like the truth is,
it's to help him. It's to help like his his plans,
and he can't do them if we actually have to, dude,
if we start paying six seven eight percent on thirty
seven trillion dollars, like it's fucking over. It's so over,
like it'll eat up half or more of our federal
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tax receipts. And I just think people are not you know,
I've I've been doing these Twitter spaces and shit with
you know, Mario the Fall and others, and I'm just
so exhausted of the fucking economic illiteracy that comes from
the MAGA boot licking dick suckers, like they just they
don't I don't know if they're that dumb or if
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they're just like I'm hard in the paint for Trump
and I just can't say anything that goes against him.
I don't know which it is. I don't really care.
I just fucking hate them. I hate them so much
right now. They're like I feel like they're lying, but
they may just be idiots. So I don't know if
I should be so hard on them.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
I also just let's just go with a theoretical number.
Let's just say that the FED decided we're doing an
interest rate at two percent, and imagine that they actually
sat down with Donald Trump They're like, all right, yeah,
the country is going to go bankrupted for paying a
higher interest rate in our debt. I wonder if there's
that much ongoing demand for our debt that we're even
able to sell it off at those rates, if investors
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aren't demanding higher rates than that. And then I also
wonder if the FED as the ability to continuously rig
the market. I guess I'm you know it, my actual
money in banking. So I think that means that the
FED then just is buying the treasuries directly to try
and boost the demand for it. But then I wonder,
I guess how much room they have to endlessly do
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that to artificially pretend like there's more demand for government
debt and keep the interest right down.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Well, and I mean you also have to remember that,
like these are private member banks and they have their
own interests, and they're not gonna want to be buying
US treasuries when they know that, like the only way
that they get paid back is to continue to print
and then borrow from themselves, like because that's essentially I mean,
that's like definitional Ponzi. So would the would the FED
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member banks actually sign up for that?
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I don't know. I don't know what the answer is
to that.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
I don't know if they have enough autonomy to say, like, no,
we're not going to do QI, We're not going to
do this. We're just going to let the dollar die
and you know, national default or whatever. But these are
all questions that like come from the Austrian school theoretical
that we're going to live through, Like this is definitely
happening before we die, you know, God forbid some weird
(50:30):
heart attack or something. But like it's imminent. So I'm
I'm I guess, you know, morbid curiosity. I'm I'm intrigued
to see how it plays out. I just wish I
didn't have to suffer the consequences of it, or you know,
our kids and our grandkids. I mean, it's so it's
so perilous, and I just I'm so sick of like
feeling as if we're the fringe crazy people that are
(50:54):
are saying, hey, conservatives, be conservative, but like just fucking
be conservative. I don't think that's so much to ask anyways,
thank you for joining me.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
Robbie the Fire.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
We're gonna hop over to run your Mouth, so make
sure you guys check out his channel. Is it at
run your Mouth on YouTube?
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yes?
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Oh?
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Perfect?
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Do you do you go around like Elon just raw
dogging and leaving little Robbie the Fires all over the
country or what.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I watch?
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I'll take Yes.
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I wish I could afford that lifestyle, or that I
was that cool and wealthy that everyone just wanted to
sleep with me. But that's that's that's not where I'm
met in life yet, but you know, who knows, maybe
my career will get to.
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That level one of these days.
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What happened to Thomas Massey.
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President Trump is banning sex changes on minors.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Massey voted against it.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
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thousand dollars.
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Massy voted against it.
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Massey voted against Trump again. And after Trump obliterated Around's
nuclear weapons program, Massey sided with Democrats and the ayah Toola.
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
And I've joined once again by the host of Run
Your Mouth, the co host a part of the problem,
mister Robbie the fire Burnstein. Yeah, Robbie, you're on the
road obviously, but there's still a lot of news going on.
I know you and Dave have already talked about this,
the Trump elon versus Massy beef. First off, I just
want to get your take on the bill, the greatest.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Bill of all time. No one's done a better bill.
I mean, yeah, I'm not a fan of more government
spending because it's Trump, and anything Trump does it means
it's right, even if he changes his mind in a day,
two days, three weeks, four months. It doesn't matter if
it came from Lord Trump, that's obviously the pathway forward.
It's like the Divine itself has shown a rate of
(01:12):
sunlight upon us, like the Ten Commandments. No, obviously, this
thing's a nightmare. I think it increases spending by three
trillion dollars. I thought Ron Johnson was doing a great
job before he flipped, and I would like to know
why he flipped on this, but he did a great
job of explaining we're above the COVID spending. And so
if you just look at the trajectory of government spending
(01:32):
and some of what I'm reading with even the interest
currently in funding our debt and buying our bonds, I mean,
this thing's a nightmare, dude. The Republicans finally got in.
They took over everything. It's an opportunity to actually own. Hey,
let's not spend all the money in the entire world.
And you even have some of the better conservators like
Josh Hawley going absolutely, you cannot touch Medicaid. What is
(01:55):
going on here? Like you guys, you're just refunding everything
that Doje didn't even really cut. I think those cuts
came out to being like nine somewhere between nine and
one hundred and thirty billion dollars. But there was a
great opportunity here, a to actually take care of waste, fraud,
and abuse and start talking about how much we spending
(02:15):
on our military. Hey remember all Donald Trump's talk about
going after the deep state. Well, we're funding all the
wars right now and we're getting ready for more of them.
So personally, one of my biggest grievances with government is
the way that we're spending money and inflating bubbles and
the issues I see coming down the pike by not
(02:35):
addressing this problem. So to watch Donald Trump get into
office with you know, a Republican mandate here and House majority,
they could have made some changes here. But Donald Trump
is actually just a democratic socialist and he would like
to spend as much as he possibly can. And he'd
also like to throw Powell out and lower the interest
rates because that's what we need.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
I think that's my biggest confusion is like, wait, Trump,
you don't like Donnie the mayoral candidate from New York City.
It's like he's got basically the same worldview. Man, Just
state ran everything, State funded everything. Yeah, I mean, look,
there's a lot of shade that I could throw a Trump,
but I want to start by throwing shade at Mike Johnson.
Mike Johnson got elected to the speaker or appointed or
(03:17):
whatever however works to the speakership, to the Speaker of
the House on the promise that they would not be
doing any of these omnibus, these huge bills, these multi
trillion dollar bills, that they would do single topic or
standalone bills. And that's that's what's driving me nuts right now,
is that you have all of the Trump sick offens
that are saying nothing matters if we don't secure the
(03:39):
border and do the deportations. And I'm like, okay, well,
then if nothing else matters, why don't you yell at
Mike Johnson to put a single fucking issue a bill
on the on the on the floor to have a
vote as to whether or not that Because this big,
beautiful bill has one hundred and fifty billion dollars for
border security and deportations. It's a three point three billion
(04:02):
dollar or trillion dollar bill. That means that we're talking
about approximately five percent or actually less of the bill
is for the border. So we're gonna vote for ninety
five percent garbage to get you what you want. Is
that a deal that MAGA and the Libertarian slash MAHA
Alliance ought to be accepting, or should we be demanding better?
(04:22):
And my answer is, why aren't we demanding better? Why
are we all just groveling for fucking crumbs when we're
literally mortgaging off our children's future. And let's be honest,
it's not just our children's future, it's ours. I don't
know about you, but my lifestyle has not improved dramatically
over the past five years since we had that printing
spree and the lockdowns and the inflation. Yeah, well that too,
(04:44):
but really just the inflation has been brutal, and it's
like that's going to get worse if we continue down
this path, because the reality is they're not gonna cut
like entitlements, they're not gonna cut spending.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
What they're gonna do is they're gonna do qi.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
They're gonna start to print, which means that the inflation increases,
and eventually it will start to increase exponentially, at which case
we're all gonna really feel this And it's like, I
feel like I'm a crazy person just saying like this
is not Ron Paul in the nineteen eighties. This is like,
this is coming soon, not forty years down the road,
It's imminent. Why can't we act with urgency? And apparently
(05:18):
fiscal conservatism is no longer a staple of even the
base of the Republicans.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Well, I think he made two very wise points there. Firstly,
I just agree one hundred percent on the practicality of
past single bills at a time, particularly if you know,
then you get people on the record for what they're
specifically in favor against. So you know, she was on
the record for not wanting to actually build the build
the wall. Now, with all that said, if I could
(05:46):
throw out this entire bill and not fund the mass deportations,
I'll take that trade off. Donald Trump's already done a
great job at dealing with the immigration problem. Immigration into
the country is now way down, people are self deporting.
He's also so correcting for some of the issues of
how many people came in by trying to get rid
of birthright citizenship, and also census counting for illegal immigrants,
(06:10):
which I think does deal with some of the problems
of the illegal immigrants that have come into the country.
I personally, I don't really, I think we need the
foreign labor more than people want to admit, and I
don't love the idea of mass deportations. However, I do
see a need to sell to kind of correct and
punish for what Biden did, so that if there's a
new administration with a totally open border policy, people realize
(06:32):
that they're taking a risk of the next administration switching.
So anyways, I agree, by the way, if I forgot
the exact numbers, but ran Paul had put out that
the new border wall funding doesn't make sense based off
of what the spending was the last time per mile
of what they were building. So there does seem to
also be some sort of fiscal scam going on in
(06:55):
terms of the money that is now being requested or
suppose needed for border security, and it's kind of not
even true based off of at least what the current
reporting is for border crossings. Rand Paul I forgot the
exact figures, but he did say that the price per
mile from the last of Trump administration has seen to
(07:16):
go up in a way that doesn't make sense. If
I take a choice between not increasing the budget at
all and not increasing spending for the border, I would
take that trade off. Practically speaking, I just agree with
you that it could be its own bill. There's no
reason for if that's the primary motivator for needing to
pass this immediately with the supposed oh yeah, we'll deal
(07:38):
with taking down spending down the line, or we're going
to do recisions. Donald Trump has already done an excellent
job at bringing down the border crossings, So I don't
know that we need as much money as he's claiming.
And also it doesn't even seem like we need to
spend money at all. It just seems like if our
government actually wants to keep people from crossing the border,
(07:59):
people get message and they're not coming in droves and waves.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Well, I think that is true, and I think that
in terms of the flood in the influx of illegal immigration,
you probably don't need additional funding. But what I do
think you need additional funding for, I'm guessing is if
you actually intend to do mass deportations, which is obviously
what Steven Miller and much of the Magabase wants to see.
I just don't have any faith that they're going to
(08:24):
do it, Like sure ship them one hundred and fifty
billion dollars, give a whole bunch of money to border control.
I would be shocked if there's really millions of people
that get deported. I think that what you're describing of
the voluntary deportations just because of the course of threats
is probably going to be as many people as you
(08:44):
get out. I'd be happy to be proven wrong. And
if they actually do pass this bill and they actually
use those funds to deport millions of people, then I
was wrong. But I just don't have much faith that
that's going to be the case. And just to piggyback
off your point with rand Paul, what he was saying
is that approximately ten billion or maybe fifteen billion would
be enough to finish the border wall, and obviously you
(09:08):
would need a little bit extra funding for immigration services
and deportations. But the one hundred and fifty billion, and we're
going to talk about this on your show, I would
be shocked if that's not being funneled to groups like
Palanteer to work on surveillance technology and kind of a
dystopian grid on our border and not just on our border,
(09:28):
I might add, so just in one hundred and fifty
billion alone, I already have a lot of concerns about that.
But the three point three billion, I just want to
really emphasize we're talking about one hundred and fifty billion.
Even if you assume that's all for deportations at border control,
that's five percent, less than five percent of the three
point three billion, which is actually what they're doing. So
(09:48):
it's a shit sandwich, if ever there was one.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
And I hate the inflation on such a personal level,
Like there's some of these topics that I don't like
what govern the government's doing, but it doesn't really affect
my life per se, like I don't I hate the Wars.
I don't like the Wars. I don't like the innocent
civilians are dying because of our actions. But it is
a little bit conceptual in a way, inflation. I have
(10:13):
done a decent job of saving the little money that
I can on every single paycheck that I earn and
just watching it evaporate because of inflation because I'm not
in on the take on debt game and be in
physical assets and hoping that the government just endlessly props
them up. And it's just so annoying to have to
have a secondary job of figuring out what you want
to do with your money and having to take risk
(10:36):
so that you can figure out how to keep the
government from stealing it from you, and then if you
figure out good investments, then they tax you again when
all you were trying to do is preserve your own wealth.
So I can't stand the government's spending particularly and as
it just favors all those that have assets and have
the access to capital and the big banks and the
wall streets and the whatnot. So on a very personal level,
(10:59):
I agree with you that the that watching the government
spend more and knowing that that can only cause basically
inflation and further propping up credit asset bubbles that at
some point in time will fail. It just you're in
such a sucker's game. You're losing your wealth in the
mid in the mid at the moment, and then you
have to choose to basically buy into an asset that
(11:20):
will probably blow up at some point.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Well, and I mean this is exactly what you know
Messsian economics and things of that nature to you know,
describe it's like this is it's it's forcing risk taking
and as a consequence of basically mandating that anybody who
wants to keep their head above water continues to deploy
their capital into riskier and riskier assets to try and
(11:44):
stay ahead of the inflation. Well, that creates these bubbles
that we're describing, and yeah, obviously it's going to come
to an end, and it's going to come to an
end in a very vicious fashion. And I just think
that that's that the moral hazard that that the American
people and the people of the world are put in
as a consequence of central banking and of federal governments
(12:04):
that print and borrow and spend into oblivion is just
that's like the unspoken evil in all this is that
like retirees can't live off their savings, young people can't
save and get ahead, young people can't buy homes. I mean,
across the board, we all pay the price of this,
and yet we really don't talk about that, Like all
(12:25):
we're really talking about. If you listen to the fucking
MAGA influencers, it's like, well, do you want deportations and
border controller?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Don't you?
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Do you want no tax on tips or don't you Well,
then you better agree to this bill. It's like, no, bitch,
Like I'm not going to agree to a three point
three trillion dollar bill because of you know, ten percent
of it is shit that I like.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Sorry, and it's so simple and practical. And if you
pull the American people should Congress just pass bills one
at a time and have it so that it's I
don't know, maybe do a page max max pages ten
pages per bill. And even if that's not enough to
pass all of your border reform, then you have to
(13:04):
do it ten pages at a time. There's got to
be one ten page bill for the wall. Make it up,
make it one hundred pages. I don't really care, but
there should be a cap and it should be single
issues at a time.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Well, and and I just want to reiterate, Mike Johnson
got the speaker's role promising to do this. That's that's
why they got rid of the ball.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well, and the other the prior guy, he also promised
to do the same thing, which is why Gates ultimately
moved to get him out because he was so frustrated
with it. I do want to talk a little bit
about about, you know, Gates being ousted, Matt Massey, you know,
on the outs with the threat of being ousted. Uh
with obviously, Apek has already been funding primary challengers against
(13:46):
MASSI for a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
Trump came out.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Even despite the fact that I voted for Trump and
twenty four I knew that he doesn't like Massy.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I knew.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
I knew that he wouldn't like anybody trying to hold
him to his promises when it comes to getting spending
under control, just for the audience's sake, if they're not aware.
Despite the fact that APEX funded a primary challenger, and
despite the fact that Trump came out and said that
I want this guy gone, Massy did better in the
primary than he had ever done before. So Massey is
beloved in his district, he's beloved nationwide. He's raised I
(14:14):
think it was four hundred thousand dollars over the past
ten days since he's been in this beef with Trump.
So they're running a million dollar ad campaign against him.
The American people and the Libertarians all across the country
are funding the oppositional money to keep Massy in place.
I'm just curious what your thoughts are as to the
abuse that I consider him the wrong pall of our generation.
(14:36):
I don't know if you do, but it definitely it
rubs me the wrong way, given that, like Donald Trump
came to the Libertarian National convention and said I'm going
to deliver for libertarians. Libertarians ought to be supporting me,
and then he goes on the attack vector against the
only guy in Congress that I really really like.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I love Thomas Massey. Not that I have a personal
relationship with him. I haven't had a good fortune yet
of meeting him, but at some point in time I
envision in my head that we're going to be good
pals and have a beer. I'll eat a peach on
his farm, and I mean literally a peach. There's no
in new Endo there. I don't even like peaches. But
if I could have a peach off of Thomas Massey's
(15:15):
peach tree, I would just die and go to heaven.
That would be a life well lived. So I love
Thomas Massey. The reason I love Thomas Massey is obviously
he's the only person who seems to always represent my viewpoint,
which is really just a pro freedom, let's not spend
all the money viewpoint. Ran Paul is a close second,
but I just find myself more in line more often
(15:37):
with exactly what Thomas Massey's preaching, and the fact that
there's someone in government with that perspective makes me really happy.
He's just the voice of reason in the room. And
it's also kind of fun that he's the smartest guy
in the room, that he's got the MIT degree and
he actually is an engineer can think through things, so
it's also just kind of fun. We've talked about this
clip numerous times on the show, but when he was
(16:00):
blasting a pee boota judge for just totally not having
a plan for how we can flip to evs.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
What's the consensus on parts per million of CO two
in the atmosphere?
Speaker 7 (16:11):
About four six, four hundred and six today?
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Okay, four oh six. Are you aware three.
Speaker 7 (16:15):
Hundred and fifty being the level that scientists have said
is danger.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
Okay, are you aware three hundred and fifty is dangerous? Well,
are you aware that since mammals have walked the planet,
the average has been over a thousand parts per million.
Speaker 7 (16:29):
Yeah, but we weren't walking on the planet. It's let
me just share with you that we now know that definitively,
at no point during the least the past eight hundred
thousand years has atmospheric CO two been as high as
it is today.
Speaker 6 (16:46):
The reason you chose eight hundred thousand years ago is
because for two hundred million years before that was greater
than it is today.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
And I'm going to say, for the record, yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
But there weren't human beings.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I mean, there was a different world. We didn't have
self people.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
How to get to two thousand parts per million if
we humans weren't.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Here because there were all kinds of geologic events happening
on Earth which spewed.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
The geology stop when we got onto.
Speaker 7 (17:11):
Planet, Miss Chairman, I'm this is just not a serious conversation.
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Your testimony is not serious.
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And you know him talking about the pipe bombs on
January sixth, him talking out against the whole COVID regime.
I mean, the guy has just been a voice of
reason on so many topics, and I think the reason
he makes Trump look so bad, which is what I
talked about on the show, is that if you're truly
American first, and you were to look at all the
things that Thomas Massey's actually talking about and representing. I
(18:54):
think it does showcase the fact that Donald Trump is
a Democratic socialist who seems to also be okay with
supporting the War Party. And Donald Trump has a slightly
good talking point where she goes that guy, he's just
a no on everything. But if all of your plans
are basically expanding government spending and expanding wars, then having
(19:17):
somebody who doesn't want to just expand the power, size,
scope and spending of the government is actually the good voice.
And so yes, he might be no on everything, but
I've seen him say yes on some things, such as
let farmers sell directly to other people, let people have
raw milk. I've seen him be yes on a lot
of good topics. It's just if the one thing you're
(19:38):
looking to do is to spend more money and fight
more wars, yeah he's going to be a no on that,
and that's exactly what we need. We need more nos
right now. So it's a funny criticism. It's like a
fun talking point of I have the best plans, the
word's greatest plans, he's a no on everything, but on
all of these he's currently right and it will be
(19:59):
I also want this out the show. Donald Trump did
not do well the last time in the midterms, in fact,
before he was shot at and they brought all the
core cases against him. That was kind of the most
compelling talking point against Donald Trump was that his midterm
election picks did not do well. And I believe he
kind of cost them the Congress in terms of flipping
(20:20):
Congress and getting more Republicans. And even as Biden was
as unfavorable as he was usually if he got a
bad present, the whole country doesn't like him, you'll end
up with a lot of flip seats, which kind of
is a little bit of a balance of power. And
Donald Trump's picks did very poorly. Now Donald Trump's in
a very different place right now that maybe he does
a better job of unseating Thomas Massey. But and I
(20:44):
also I might be in a feedback loop because I
love him, and that's the lane of the internet that
I see is very pro Thomas Massey. But I'm betting,
at least at the moment, I'm betting against Donald Trump's
ability to flip Thomas Massey, and it seems like it's
going to be so such a thorn in his shoe
of just if you want to actually talk about any
(21:04):
of the issues that you have a problem with Thomas
Massey on and you're the vote, your voting base just
wraps its head around any of it, you're gonna look bad.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Well, I mean because he's as you said, he's he's
advocating against the America first congressional representative.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
He's the one.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
So if you attack him, you are attacking your own mantra.
It just looks and sounds terrible, and it is terrible.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
And by the way and down the line, it's amazing,
I think how bad he makes people look. So for example,
he talks out against APAC. If APAC wants to step
in and, let's say, spend five hundred thousand dollars unseating him,
it just further proves the point of why is there
this organization in America that has this much money to
spend to unseat a single congress person. So it just
(21:56):
his very existence and speaking to truth almost amplifies the
degree by which everyone else is lying, which is kind
of why he needs to get rid of him. Because
Donald Trump needs everyone on board. He needs everyone on
the larp. He can't have anyone saying, hey, the Emperor
is wearing no clothes, So he kind of needs Thomas
Massey out. He can't have this one voice of reason
(22:17):
basically being on the internet and just pointing out, hey,
this is all terrible policy. Oh wait, to the extent
that they fight it, I think it just makes them
look worse.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Well, no, I agree with that, but it's like that's
the whole reason that I love Thomas Massey so much,
and like the lesson ought to be if if if
I had my way, would be that, well, just do
what Massy says, like when he's point when he's calling
you out on your bullshit, just like, maybe don't do
so much bullshit and then he won't call you out
(22:48):
on so much bullshit. I know this is kind of
one plus one equals two stuff here, But I think
the real problem is that, yes, you're exactly right, Massey
is basically a beacon of light on the truth of
Trump's claims. Like everything you campaigned on, Massy's gonna be like, hey,
you're not doing that, and then he's like shut the
(23:10):
fuck up, dude, Like don't tell people that I'm not
doing what I promised. It's like, well, that's why I
love Massy. And by the way, talking about being in
our own echo chambers, I put out a picture of
Massy and I said Thomas Massey twenty twenty eight motherfuckers,
because it was like right in the height of the
anger between Trump and Maga versus Elon and Massey, and
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that did twenty plus thousand likes, just likes. I'm like,
all right, look, I know I'm in an echo chamber,
but this guy has a real grassroots following to have
that kind of a response to just basically a ship
post by me. It's like, this guy is you know,
I know I'm probably delusional here, but just hear me out.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
I think given.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
That there's so much anger about the war in Gaza,
there's so much anger about apex influence in America, So
the the anger over the war in Gaza is primarily
on the left, even though there's a decent amount on
the right too. The anger over Apak is on the left.
But also, you know, in our orbit a lot the
libertarians and also the more extreme right, and it's like
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that's a weird coalition, but that actually makes him a
real problem. Like I think that in a general election nationwide,
Thomas Massey would be I don't know if I want
to say he'd be viable, but like he'd be a threat.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
Tell me if I'm crazy.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
Well, I think it kind of just speaks to the
same point of him being truly American first. But the
only reason why the people on the right aren't against
a pack or even though I think the favorability for
what Israel's doing in Gaza, except amongst the very bought
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in American Jews, I mean, I don't seem to meet
a lot of people on the right that are just
giving total endorsement and support to Israel. And I think
the only reason that they're probably still falling in line
is because of that just Trump delusion of just you know,
they're just totally delusional. Hey, if Trump said it, then
it must be right. And so I think on topics
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like that, if you had a debate and Thomas Massey
actually spoke to these points, I think anyone trying to
take the other side of these issues just isn't going.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
To look good.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
I agree, man, And you know, we all kind of
deify Ron Paul. But the truth is Massi's actually a
better speaker like Ron's great. I'm not trying to diminish it.
I'm just saying in terms of like he's Massy has
that happy warrior aspect, but he's also a bit more
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eloquent than Ron, which people may be upset with me
saying that, but it's true if you go back and
you watch interviews of doctor Paul and you can trust
them With Massy, I think that Massy has an additional
level of charisma. He doesn't have quite the sweet old
man thing that Ron had, but he does have He
has all of the good and a little bit of
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a better saleable package, I think, which sounds gay. But anyways,
he's kind of cool in a way. He's the cool
dork in high school exactly. He's on the different track,
but he's the one guy who's in the science lab
all day that you can actually kind of talk to
but like, so, what.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Are you guys doing over there? Or he's the guy who,
like at science Fair is building his own race car
and you actually want to have a conversation with him,
and he's very excited about it, and he's unlike the
other geeks that he can actually tell you what he's doing,
and you're like, man, I wish I was that smart.
That's so cool. I'm over here smoking weed and this
guy's building his own race car. So he's a dork,
but he's got a little bit of the cool, approachable
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dork flavor to him. And I even just think amongst
the horseshit of the millennials that I find myself in
that romanticize farm life and self sustainability, he's almost got
like some hippie cride as well, just with the way
that he lives. Sure, I mean the fact that the
guy is a congressman and he's apparently just living out
of his truck in the lot of the congressional building.
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I mean that's just that kind of rules. He's off
the grid.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Well with with solar power and everything. And yeah, I
mean that's what I'm saying is like I think Maha
would love him. Obviously, the Libertarians love him, and I
think that the anti Zionists, anti.
Speaker 5 (27:25):
War left would love him.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
I mean, I don't know about love, but I think
like if it came down to some other you know,
Kamala Harris style figure versus Thomas Massey, I think that
they'd be hard pressed not to go with Massy. So
I don't know. It's just an interesting thought. But as
to your point about him being kind of the approachable
cool nerd, he's like, I don't know if he's as
smart as Elon, but he's close. But he like he
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can actually convey what Elon what Elon's million miles an
hour brain is thinking like MASSI can convey that, And
I think that's why it's such an interesting alliance that
Elon is now at least, you know, according to his expost,
going to be funding the oppositional funding to support Massy
against the Trump Pack, which, by the way, they're doing
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a million Trump pack dedicated exclusively to try and get
rid of Massy.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I believe it'll last.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Primary APAC funded a million bucks to try and get
get him out. I think he got like seventy five
percent of the vote anyways, so they're now doubling down
on their efforts.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I still think they're going to fail. I hope I'm
right about that.
Speaker 3 (28:32):
I could be wrong, but I am curious what your
thoughts are to the Elon Elon like it's a pivot
and it's kind of a war path between him and Trump.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
What are your thoughts. How do you think it plays out?
Speaker 7 (28:46):
All Right?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
It's slightly exciting. And I've always had mixed feelings about
Elon Musk because he is a bit of a bullshitter
and he has businesses that are wrapped in with the government.
When he did with Twitter was incredible and it was
a gift to all of our freedom that suddenly there
was a platform that wasn't going to censor you. And
I think that changed the Internet, changed the political landscape.
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The fact that he wanted to even address the DOGE
and sell the storyline of hey, there's wasting a fraud
and abuse in government, even though he overhyped what they
found and they didn't solidify any of what he had
supposedly discovered. All over hyped and just kind of smoking mirrors.
But he's at least he spoke to the talking points.
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And so with that said, you know, the last time
he kind of butted heads with Trump, he walked it
back real quick. And I think it's because his businesses
are just too wrapped up in government, and and I'm
already watching him walk it back. He had a tweet
today that he was saying that Trump did a great
job in the I think I don't even know if
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he said I ran, But basically, in what's going on
in the Middle East.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
I don't think the ceasefire in Gaza.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I think Elon would essentially have have to make a
decision of hey, I'm cashing out on my companies and
I'm spending my wealth right now to you know, recreate
the American political climate. And I actually think he's a
good example of capitalism and that capitalism at its best
is very smart people a choiring capital and then making
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good investments that actually benefit all of humanity. Now, if
you like the idea of their survival of the human race,
it's probably gonna include ending up on other planets. And
so Elon Musk, from what I can see, is doing
a better job than NASA. I mean, he clearly is.
He's the only guy with rockets in space right now.
So you know, Elon Musk even from a if he
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just sat down tomorrow and he said, hey, I wanted
to let's say he was actually a noble figure, which
I'm not saying he even is, but let's say he
wanted to sit down tomorrow and say, how can I
make the world a better place? It could be, Hey,
I better just keep playing ball with this government thing
and making my money and working towards my mars goal.
Or even though I wouldn't use neuralink, I could understand
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in his brain of I'm also bettering humanity and going
to make them smarter and more efficient. I don't personally
want chips inside my brain, nor do I trust Elon
Musk enough that I would put his chips into my brain,
but I could understand. Let's just assume for a second
that Elon Musk is the most mortal person that ever lived,
and he really wants to make humanity better. So now
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he's got to sit down and do a calculation. Do
I want to torch my businesses to try and redo
the American political climate? Or do I want to figure
out how I can accelerate my technologies? And I could
understand why he would decide I'm going to accelerate my technologies. So,
while it's very exciting with the amount of money that
Elon Musk has and supposedly how smart of a person
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he is for him to want to actually maybe create
back a third party or go to war with Donald Trump,
I just I'm betting against him aggressively pursuing that.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, well, I think I think once he evaluates things fully,
he'll probably come to that same conclusion. I'm sure a
lot of this is what do you mean?
Speaker 4 (32:07):
I mean, he walked it back the first time with
Donald Trump, so maybe it's because he went too far
with the Epstein comment, but right away he kind of
walked it back. And he already appears to be walking
this one back and trying to make peace with Trump again.
So listen, it would be really exciting if he decides
to pick that fight. I just don't think he's going
to do it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Yeah, No, I think I think the odds are certainly
against it for the exact reasons that you describe. But
I think that the really interesting angle on the one
that I've been, you know, chirping at Angela mccardeal, the
former chair of the Libertarian Party. I'm telling her, like
what we ought to do? You know, I know the
Libertarians broadly would hate me for saying this, but what
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he ought to do is sell off basically the Libertarian
Party to Elon if he wants to go down this path,
and don't make it so much about being a third party,
but rather make it a hybrid vehicle that you could
use to fund primary count challengers against the swamp left
end right, just like just brutalize anybody who's a swamp monster.
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I think that that would actually like change things to
the positive better than anything a third party would do
in the near term.
Speaker 4 (33:18):
I think for Libertarians, courting Elon Musk right now would
be a wise decision. And if Elon Musk actually decides
to make a third party, if you're a Libertarian who
had an interest in the Libertarian Party, I think trying
to get involved with Elon Musk and partnering with him
on whatever his new vision is will probably push the
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ball forward more than the current state of the LP,
which I'm not that involved with. I'm really not involved
with at all, and I'm not the best advocate for it,
so I don't want to smash anybody's effort. And maybe
I'm just out of the loop of what's going on
over there and so down on it because of the
whole Chase Oliver shenanigans and what I've seen from you know,
(34:00):
when I when I'm loosely involved from the shenanigans that
I see, but particularly Chase Oliver and the resources. Listen,
money makes the world go round, and Elon Musk currently
also has the technical capabilities to work on things if
he wants to. He's got a staff of really smart
people that if he wants to try and implement something,
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I think he would just do a better job at
it than we would. So if he's somewhat aligned on
similar goals to Libertarians, which might just be as simple
as what you just said of let's unseat swamp creatures.
You can even call it that the anti swamp creature Party.
I would think for either it'd be a very good
idea to try and court accord him to the Libertarian Party,
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or maybe he's better management all together. And for people
that were wanting to get involved with the Libertarian Party,
especially maybe upper characters such as yourself, trying to get
involved in the Elon Musk new operation might be great.
Or you might find that you were all suckered and
now you're just pushing some new billionaire's agenda who wants
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to make sure that he can get back to his
ev credits. And you know, you might have some wins
along the way of that you have a shared agenda,
such as having free speech on the internet, but you
might find that you just teamed up with a different
side of the deep state or a different side of
corporatism that just wants to make sure that government has
favorable policies for his business.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, that's obviously a threat or a risk, I should say.
But I mean, most Libertarians made the deal with the
devil and voted for Donald Trump this last go around.
So if you're asking me if I would would take
the same risk with Elon Musk, who you know, tweets
out Anatomy of the State by Rothbart and talks about
bitcoin and multiplanetary stuff and getting ending the wars and
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balancing the budget. Like he's far closer to by principles
than Donald Trump is on his best day. So like, yeah,
he's paypalm mafia. Yeah, he's there's a lot of you know,
like what's it called the I'm blanking on the word
for it, life extension stuff that like concerns me, the
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brain chips and all that. But like if that doesn't
work out, okay, then we move on. But guess what,
the LP ain't working out. Like, the LP ain't getting
anybody elected, it ain't fighting the swamp, it ain't training
the swamp, it ain't doing any of that. Either, So
I guess my you know, my frame of mind is
just like take swings man, take take chances. I was
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doing the math on it, and for half a billion
dollars five hundred million dollars, which is close to what
Elon spent to get Trump elected, he could have funded
a primary challenger to every GOP swamp monster that exists.
He could have totally revolutionized the Congress like Congress and
Senate for the GOP. Like, sure, it would probably get
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some Democrats elected to because you'd be getting the incumbents
out on the you know, from the swamp, but like
you would end up with I think you could end
up with forty fifty six Thomas Maski Thomas Massey esque figures,
and that changes That changes the game way more than
Donald Trump will ever change the game.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
If you also just think about five hundred million dollars spent.
All of our programs run on zero budget. Like imagine
if Elon Musk gave ten million dollars the Libertarian Institute
and that and partnered with them as a think tank.
Or imagine if you gave one hundred million dollars to
a I don't exactly know who the character would be
(37:30):
but a media executive to really create a new media
empire where all of these shows were very well funded
with research staff and the think tank that we could
pull research from, et cetera. In terms of the political
climate and ways to spend your money, Elon, I will
gladly accept your donations and put together immedia sent to
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actually put out better information for the American public.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
Well, this is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
It's like the Koch brothers, you know, funded the Libertarian
World back in the nineties, but like they were shipping
all that money to the fucking Cato Institute and they
were basically just trying to advocate for open borders to
help with their corporations. As best I can tell, Like Elon,
you know, love him or hate him or be indifferent
about him. What I see from the guy when it
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comes to like his asks politically are things that benefit
all of us, Like I want to balance budget, I
want to go after fraud, waste and abuse like these
are not things that really benefit him. And I think
that's that's what That's what has earned me a lot
of respect for the guy, is that, you know, the
Soros world or the Cooke world, It's obvious to me
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that there's immense self interest in what they're doing. Elon
doesn't seem to be doing that that much. Yes, he
makes a ton of money off of government contracts, but
the reason he gets those contracts usually is because he's
the cheapest deal. He's the cheapest game in town. It's like,
you could just continue to fund ten or hundreds of
billions of dollars to NASA to never go back to
the moon, or you can give Elon a quarter of
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that and will be at Mars in five years. It's like,
I think the reason Elon gets the government contract is
because he's fucking good at what he does.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
So I don't know. That's my thoughts on it.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Fair enough, I think it's a little bit circular, but
in that I don't know that he was able to
build the businesses without like initial carbon credits or if
you look at Starlink, I don't know that just anyone's
allowed to launch satellites into space. But I'm talking out
of my ass on this one because I've not shut
a deep dive on how Elon Musk has it acquired
his money or how favorable all the contracts that he
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got were that kind of put him into this position.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
So I don't know what percentage of his wealth is
a consequence of that, but I would be lying if
I wasn't willing to admit that. Like, yeah, certainly subsidies
and things of that nature have benefited Elon Muss tremendously.
I'm just talking about the latest iteration of him now
that he's already the richest man in the world. Like,
usually what you see with oligarchs and tycoons of this
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nature is they get involved with politics just to make
themselves richer.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Like what is he really flipping out about.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
He's flipping out because like they're not actually taking his
hard earned you know, wins in the Doge Department and
actually putting them into law and like cutting the funding
at the source.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
He's like, he's furious about it.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
He's furious about the fact that the dollar is gonna
die because of our national debt. And yeah, I'm sure
there's some self interest in that, being the richest man
in the world and having a bunch of money tied
up in the US dollar, But like he's gonna be okay.
You know, if if we have hyperinflation, it's the wealthiest
people are not the ones that get destroyed by hyperinflation
because they have hard assets to buoy that it's the
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poor people. So like, all of his real outspoken concerns
are not about his own self interest, despite the fact
that Trump's trying to frame it that way that oh,
he just he's upset because they're getting rid of the
e V credits. Elon Musk has been saying for fucking
years to get rid of the EV credits. So I
just think it's like.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
Also, he apparently he sleeps on off floor and he
has sex with horrors. He can do that on a
shoestring budget.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Exactly. He doesn't need a ton of money. He wants
to put it.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
He wants to put a chip in all in every
man's mind and a baby in every woman's womb. That
is the Elon Musk way. Yeah, anyways, I'm I'm just
intrigued by all of this. I think that that this
fight is really important. I think that the moment it
was inevitable that you were going to have kind of
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the rhetoric of the conservatives, the MAGA world, the America
first world, and then their actions that can conflict with
everything that they can't paign on, and then you have
us who believe what they campaign on and even more so,
are much more hardcore than what they the best versions
of their advertisements. And it's like this was an inevitable
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conflict that was going to happen, and I'm glad that
it's happening.
Speaker 5 (41:42):
I just hope that I guess we can.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
It's it's kind of naive to think that we can
win that fight, but I think we're holding our own
you know, like, given the fact that it's we're so outnumbered,
I still feel like there's a lot of people that
agree with us.
Speaker 4 (41:57):
There's also something to be said for Elon Musk was
a big part of the winning coalition, in addition to
the Doge storyline, the waste fraud, on the abuse. So
let's just say Elon Musk is the first one to
go away from that winning coalition. He really wants to
wage war with Trump. So Trump might be too powerful
in this moment that that's going to be a real
problem for Elon. But if the tariffs actually go a
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little bit more sour, if the Israel war thing isn't
just over as Donald Trump has said, if mass deportations
actually get implemented and those turn out to be not
popular or.
Speaker 5 (42:33):
They don't get implemented and his base gets furious.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Well yeah, I guess, yeah, there's some potential for that.
But we're only what six months into the Donald Trump presidency,
and Elon Musk was a big part of the winning coalition.
So it could be that while it seems like Elon
can't win that fight now six months down the road,
particularly if you actually if we're in a bad financial
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environment and it's in any way because of expansionary monetary
spending such as inflation ramps up, and then Donald Trump's
still pushing for lowering the interest rate type deal, you
know what I mean. If more things start to crack
and you see a little bit more of his winning
coalition falling apart, and maybe other people talking out against
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him that were a part of the winning coalition, maybe
it's a more winnable fight than I'm giving you on
credit for at the moment.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
Oh, I totally agree with that, And I think, you know,
people should understand too that normally recessions happen, you know,
less than a decade is like standard historically, and we're
going on unless you include twenty twenty, which would have
been a depression had they not printed three trillion dollars
back then too, But we're going on like basically almost
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twenty years without a real severe recession. So the asset
bubble is extraordinary. I think it's as I think it's
as big as it's ever been by a large margin.
So and then on top of that, eight there was
an expectation that they would have somewhere in the arena
of like one hundred thousand new jobs this month, and
the print came out negative thirty five thousand or something
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to that effect. So it was like big, big swing,
big miss I mean, to have job losses is very significant.
And then you also have the AI wave that's coming
that's basically making it so that you know, most employers
are now reassessing how many human beings they need to
be working for them, and they're certainly going to start
to lay off people. I think you're going to have
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massive waves of that over the next couple of years.
So to expect that the economy is going to be
doing well at the end of Trump's term given all
of the uncertainty with all of this, and then you
also have him browbeating Pale threatening to remove him if
you want lower interest rates, It's like, if you lower
interest rates, then you have the inflationary pressures that kick
back in, which will add to the economic strains that
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the voters are looking at when it comes to twenty
twenty eight, and then all of a sudden, Elon Musk
and his new party slash you know this, the anti
swamp monster party with Thomas Massey running for president twenty
twenty eight suddenly doesn't sound so far fetched. Now, there's
a lot of variables that I just threw out there,
so I'm not saying any of that's gonna happen. But
to think it can't happen, I think is also stupid.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
I love the Powell Trump shenanigans because I hate the Fed.
The FED shouldn't exist, all right, I want to make
that very clear. I don't think we're in a better
situation though, with Donald Trump dictating the interest rate over
the Fed, no or not, And essentially where the Fed
is is they go listen. This entire thing is smoke
and mirrors, and we're doing everything we can not even
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well to try and pretend like everything's fine, and so
we can't even really predict the interest rate. We can't
actually accurately you know, get the spending levels right to
keep it at this fixed two percent. He's like, we're
barely keeping this thing afloat, and now you just threw
this terriff thing into the wild, and we have to
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wait and see because we don't know if that's going
to drive up prices that we need to actually basically
maybe push up the interest rate to combat what appears
to be inflation because of price increases that were actually
masked because we were able to import goods for cheap.
In other words, it could be that there could have
been a lot more inflation over the years if we
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weren't essentially importing goods for cheap, and so that masks
some of the inflation problem.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
And so pals Palell's just.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
On the sidelines, going, I can't lower interest rates right
now because you just threw a monkey wrench into our
smoke and mirrors operation and I have to see how
it plays out. And Trump's sit in there, go you
gotta lower it. We gotta juice the economy. I'm a
low interest rate guy, and like I said, I don't
like the FED, but I actually understand what Pale's doing here.
He's like, I just got to wait and see.
Speaker 5 (46:49):
I completely agree.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
I think that Pal has done from you know, most
FED chairs positions. I like him more like he has
been warhawkish with interest rates. He's kept them higher for
longer least you know, as of late. And I think
what I would do if I was a FED chair,
God forbid, would high grates further? I would like, I
think that the asset bubbles that exist are inevitably gonna
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destroy us, and it would be much better to let
some fucking pressure out of this system so that we
can not have a total implosion. But it's an interesting
dynamic because when you're trying to service the debt of
thirty seven trillion dollars and the FED funds rate has,
you know, a major impact on what you're able to
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borrow and refinance that money at. Like I understand from
Trump's position, He's like, look, I don't give a shit
about the economy or anything else as much as I
just care about us not going bankrupt. And if we
have to pay over a trillion dollars an interest on
our national debt, well that that eats up everything else
that I'm trying to do. So from his vantage point,
he's like, just lower it. I don't give a shit why.
I'll tell you it's to help the economy, it's to
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help people, poor people or whatever. But like the truth is,
it's to help him. It's to help like his his plans,
and he can't do them if we actually have to, dude,
if we start paying six seven eight percent on thirty
seven trillion dollars, like it's fucking over. It's so over,
like it'll eat up half or more of our federal
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tax receipts. And I just think people are not you know,
I've I've been doing these Twitter spaces and shit with
you know, Mario the Fall and others, and I'm just
so exhausted of the fucking economic illiteracy that comes from
the MAGA boot licking dick suckers, like they just they
don't I don't know if they're that dumb or if
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they're just like I'm hard in the paint for Trump
and I just can't say anything that goes against him.
I don't know which it is. I don't really care.
I just fucking hate them. I hate them so much
right now. They're like I feel like they're lying, but
they may just be idiots. So I don't know if
I should be so hard on them.
Speaker 4 (48:52):
I also just let's just go with a theoretical number.
Let's just say that the FED decided we're doing an
interest rate at two percent, and imagine that they actually
sat down with Donald Trump They're like, all right, yeah,
the country is going to go bankrupted for paying a
higher interest rate in our debt. I wonder if there's
that much ongoing demand for our debt that we're even
able to sell it off at those rates, if investors
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aren't demanding higher rates than that. And then I also
wonder if the FED as the ability to continuously rig
the market. I guess I'm you know it, my actual
money in banking. So I think that means that the
FED then just is buying the treasuries directly to try
and boost the demand for it. But then I wonder,
I guess how much room they have to endlessly do
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that to artificially pretend like there's more demand for government
debt and keep the interest right down.
Speaker 5 (49:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Well, and I mean you also have to remember that,
like these are private member banks and they have their
own interests, and they're not gonna want to be buying
US treasuries when they know that, like the only way
that they get paid back is to continue to print
and then borrow from themselves, like because that's essentially I mean,
that's like definitional Ponzi. So would the would the FED
(50:05):
member banks actually sign up for that?
Speaker 5 (50:06):
I don't know. I don't know what the answer is
to that.
Speaker 3 (50:08):
I don't know if they have enough autonomy to say, like, no,
we're not going to do QI, We're not going to
do this. We're just going to let the dollar die
and you know, national default or whatever. But these are
all questions that like come from the Austrian school theoretical
that we're going to live through, Like this is definitely
happening before we die, you know, God forbid some weird
(50:30):
heart attack or something. But like it's imminent. So I'm
I'm I guess, you know, morbid curiosity. I'm I'm intrigued
to see how it plays out. I just wish I
didn't have to suffer the consequences of it, or you know,
our kids and our grandkids. I mean, it's so it's
so perilous, and I just I'm so sick of like
feeling as if we're the fringe crazy people that are
(50:54):
are saying, hey, conservatives, be conservative, but like just fucking
be conservative. I don't think that's so much to ask anyways,
thank you for joining me.
Speaker 5 (51:04):
Robbie the Fire.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
We're gonna hop over to run your Mouth, so make
sure you guys check out his channel. Is it at
run your Mouth on YouTube?
Speaker 1 (51:11):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (51:12):
And also porch Tour everybody. I'm out. I'm porch touring
my ass off. I got this weekend.
Speaker 5 (51:17):
When does this come out tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (51:20):
Perfect?
Speaker 4 (51:20):
So I will be in Oklahoma City tonight. Got a
big Fourth of July party in Granbury, Texas. I got
Shredport Louisiana. That's all available on porchtour dot com. And
then on Sunday, I'm in Houston, Texas at the Secret Group.
You can find that on their website. And I got
a bunch of dates opening up for Dave and then
a whole slew of more porches at porchtour dot com.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
Do you do you go around like Elon just raw
dogging and leaving little Robbie the Fires all over the
country or what.
Speaker 4 (51:50):
I watch?
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I'll take Yes.
Speaker 4 (51:53):
I wish I could afford that lifestyle, or that I
was that cool and wealthy that everyone just wanted to
sleep with me. But that's that's that's not where I'm
met in life yet, but you know, who knows, maybe
my career will get to.
Speaker 5 (52:04):
That level one of these days.
Speaker 3 (52:05):
Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this episode, please do subscribe,
hit the like button, leave a comment down below. We
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that we did and uh and correct us in the comments.
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Now we're out of here, hugging, kiss your mama, Bye
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